Dealer/distributor price gouging continues unabated

[Tony.OK]

the retailers NEED a margin so that the shop can stay open,the dealers BUY their goods from distributors who buy the same goods form manufacturers or other wholesalers...You will find that the retailer has no real option where they buy the goods,otherwise the NZ distributor or the manufacturer will not supply them .Ref the adidas rugby jersey affair

Agreed............anyone that knows someone that runs a bike shop knows margins are tight, NZ's major prob is low turn over and small population. For some reason that (it seems) means distributors think they have to charge silly money for OEM parts.
Bluewing seems hell bent on screwing their franchisee's with crazy high RRP's. They "expect" dealers to buy certain #'s of bikes, then they can fuck any profit up for dealer by insisting on a "summer sale". Trouble is the dealer has paid for bike say 2 months ago, instant profit loss by order of distributor!!

When I was sponsored by my local Honda shop, I wanted some OEM front pads for the 1000rr, "we don't usually sell those as they're too expensive for most ppl". Bluewing had none in stock...........sheesh! From the top of my head the OEM pads were RRP of $200ish per pair = $400, I got parts at cost so that was around $140ish per pair = $280, still too much for poor racer and don't like aftermarket pads so when hunting....................end result was buying offshore from a popular US shop, $35US per side = $70US plus $30 shipping. At the time they were about $120NZD delivered........GO FIGURE???

Now what I'd like someone to tell me is.............Bluewing buy direct from Honda, US retailer prob buys from US wholesaler, does that mean either Bluewing either have a really bad deal with Japan or are they unrealistic in thinking NZer's will pay because they believe no one knows how to use the internet these days?

Thats all from my personal experience with dealings from my local shop...................I could be all wrong?

[CHOPPA]

Agreed............anyone that knows someone that runs a bike shop knows margins are tight, NZ's major prob is low turn over and small population. For some reason that (it seems) means distributors think they have to charge silly money for OEM parts.
Bluewing seems hell bent on screwing their franchisee's with crazy high RRP's. They "expect" dealers to buy certain #'s of bikes, then they can fuck any profit up for dealer by insisting on a "summer sale". Trouble is the dealer has paid for bike say 2 months ago, instant profit loss by order of distributor!!

When I was sponsored by my local Honda shop, I wanted some OEM front pads for the 1000rr, "we don't usually sell those as they're too expensive for most ppl". Bluewing had none in stock...........sheesh! From the top of my head the OEM pads were RRP of $200ish per pair = $400, I got parts at cost so that was around $140ish per pair = $280, still too much for poor racer and don't like aftermarket pads so when hunting....................end result was buying offshore from a popular US shop, $35US per side = $70US plus $30 shipping. At the time they were about $120NZD delivered........GO FIGURE???

Now what I'd like someone to tell me is.............Bluewing buy direct from Honda, US retailer prob buys from US wholesaler, does that mean either Bluewing either have a really bad deal with Japan or are they unrealistic in thinking NZer's will pay because they believe no one knows how to use the internet these days?

Thats all from my personal experience with dealings from my local shop...................I could be all wrong?

Try buying Yoshi pads!

[Bassmatt]

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who makes the supposed 200 dollar profit then?

Why supposed? There is an approx $200 dollars diff (bear with me , im not gonna calculate everything out to the last cent). Does it just dissapear into the ether?

Just to clarify, the price quoted was more than $600, I forget the exact actual price as I was flabbergasted by the $600 part of the price. As I had no intention of paying that I did not establish if it was inclusive of GST

[Tony.OK]

Try buying Yoshi pads!

Thats why I couldn't keep up with ya mate, chose the wrong brand hahaa.................well that and I got scared

Need some lessons on how to ride this XR4hundy now, dirts even scarier than the track lmao. Parts are cheap though, well aftermarket ones anyhoo!

[Woodman]

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Why supposed? There is an approx $200 dollars diff (bear with me , im not gonna calculate everything out to the last cent). Does it just dissapear into the ether?

Just to clarify, the price quoted was more than $600, I forget the exact actual price as I was flabbergasted by the $600 part of the price. As I had no intention of paying that I did not establish if it was inclusive of GST

Hey, I didn't post that.

Anyway, whats wrong with profit? A dealer making a supposed $200 profit is the same as you saving $200.

[BMWST?]

[QUOTE=Bassmatt;1130251021][QUOTE=BMWST?;1130250976]

Why supposed? There is an approx $200 dollars diff (bear with me , im not gonna calculate everything out to the last cent). Does it just dissapear into the ether?

Just to clarify, the price quoted was more than $600, I forget the exact actual price as I was flabbergasted by the $600 part of the price. As I had no intention of paying that I did not establish if it was inclusive of GST

you say someone made approx 200 profit.I accept your figures but i ask you who you believe has made the 200 profit

[Bassmatt]

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Hey, I didn't post that.

Anyway, whats wrong with profit? A dealer making a supposed $200 profit is the same as you saving $200.

Youre correct you didnt post it. Sorry. I dont know how that happened.

Looks like it has done it again, it has attrbuted your post to BMWST!
It s not me, honest, I dont know how or why its happening.

[onearmedbandit]

If you had bothered to read back a little you may have noticed that I was talking about USPS FLAT RATE boxes.
Extra 'handeling' fees are up to the shipper.

That's cool, I'd expect USPS to have standardised rates. The point was, and still is, that shipping costs do vary, whether because of extra handling costs, or even extra handeling costs.

[BMWST?]

Agreed............anyone that knows someone that runs a bike shop knows margins are tight, NZ's major prob is low turn over and small population. For some reason that (it seems) means distributors think they have to charge silly money for OEM parts.
Bluewing seems hell bent on screwing their franchisee's with crazy high RRP's. They "expect" dealers to buy certain #'s of bikes, then they can fuck any profit up for dealer by insisting on a "summer sale". Trouble is the dealer has paid for bike say 2 months ago, instant profit loss by order of distributor!!

When I was sponsored by my local Honda shop, I wanted some OEM front pads for the 1000rr, "we don't usually sell those as they're too expensive for most ppl". Bluewing had none in stock...........sheesh! From the top of my head the OEM pads were RRP of $200ish per pair = $400, I got parts at cost so that was around $140ish per pair = $280, still too much for poor racer and don't like aftermarket pads so when hunting....................end result was buying offshore from a popular US shop, $35US per side = $70US plus $30 shipping. At the time they were about $120NZD delivered........GO FIGURE???

Now what I'd like someone to tell me is.............Bluewing buy direct from Honda, US retailer prob buys from US wholesaler, does that mean either Bluewing either have a really bad deal with Japan or are they unrealistic in thinking NZer's will pay because they believe no one knows how to use the internet these days?

Thats all from my personal experience with dealings from my local shop...................I could be all wrong?

as you say low turn over.Maybe blue wing themselves get a shit discount of Honda cos they only buy two sets of cbr1000 brake pads at a time

[Bassmatt]

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you say someone made approx 200 profit.I accept your figures but i ask you who you believe has made the 200 profit

I would imagine it is shared in some way between the distributor and dealer.

[Bassmatt]

That's cool, I'd expect USPS to have standardised rates. The point was, and still is, that shipping costs do vary, whether because of extra handling costs, or even extra handeling costs.

Im paying US$22 for freight

UPS is also a rip imho

[Woodman]

You may be getting margin and profit confused.

$600 less $400 = $200 margin.

$600 less $400 Less freight, tax, wages,power,interest etc etc = $40ish profit.

It would take some seriously big kahoonas to buy enough stock offshore to make NZ competitive.

[Bassmatt]

You may be getting margin and profit confused.

$600 less $400 = $200 margin.

$600 less $400 Less freight, tax, wages,power,interest etc etc = $40ish profit.

It would take some seriously big kahoonas to buy enough stock offshore to make NZ competitive.

They are fixed costs (except freight) which they are paying regardless of my purchase or not. If the margin was more reasonable then they may have had some profit with which to offset these costs, now they have none.

[nzspokes]

Yes I know there is a thread on here about this but I cant seem to find it so....
After my trip through the Forgotten Highway
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ighway-Warning

I found that stones and tar had got up into my radiator fan preventing it from turning and caused the motor to burn out. So I made a call to my friendly Kawasaki dealer to order a new one.....

$600!!!
" I only want the fan" I told him "not the radiator as well". "Yes sir one radiator fan without the radiator is $600".

So thats yet another purchase that will be going offshore.
US$40 on Ebay, second hand.

Why didnt you just fix the motor?

[Bassmatt]

You may be getting margin and profit confused.

$600 less $400 = $200 margin.

$600 less $400 Less freight, tax, wages,power,interest etc etc = $40ish profit.

It would take some seriously big kahoonas to buy enough stock offshore to make NZ competitive.

Also if you worked out the cost of the above as it relates to the one part I wanted then you it would be more like, 50c for power, $2 wages , tax will be passed on to me,interest = $195 ish