Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[mashman]

What did I miss? Where did all the lesbians come from in this thread?

Madness started it.

[Akzle]

who decides who is capable? You freely judge others as to being criminals or tossers in other situations yet they surely have the same right as you to decide they are not doing any harm or anything dangerous to others. This is hypocrisy.

...telling the Police to go catch the "real offenders"? Who decides who the "real offenders" are?

If someome beside you, observing you, tells you you are stoned or drunk, or at least showing the effects of what you have ingested, they will be right, and if you claim otherwise you will be wrong.

simple way to tell if what you're doing should be illegal/policed/punished
if you're not causing any harm to anyone else, it's not a real offence.
if the someone besides you is a dropkick and says "nah your drunk auu bro" - how can you, obviously being drunk, thust their judgement, huh?

I think it should have an age restriction, obviously, just as with alcohol & tobacco.

or consensual sex. so. 15, right? where do you draw the line.

To my understanding the accuracy of testing in this area is seriously lacking in terms of being able to determine actual impairment, rather than simply Cannabinoids present in the blood.

yes, and some people can function well even when high and/or drunk, so how about "fuck the science" and do the old "roadside impairment tests"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXomHHwha-w

Personally I feel that the laws currently available re: operating machinery or driving are adequate but seldom pursued enough to effect change in people's attitudes.

interesting that you think people's attittudes could be changed by law...(or the enforcement of)

got any evidence it's worked before?

[Akzle]

I could go on forever....if the personal choices do not harm others and society at large, government should butt the feck out and do proper government business..i.e. create a school system affordable for all children regardless of the earning abilitys of their parents, go create good roads regardless of the location in the country, create a health care system the not only treats symtoms but tries to eradicate the disease, upheld a defense of the country and a law enforcment agencuy that is populated by people wishing to serve the community instead of just hoping to get a job with good benefits (yes I have absolutly no respect for people in uniform, excluding nurses and firefighters.)

there's no money in the cure.

With people like you around, people who can see sense have to argue their case somehow. You haven't been able to provide any convincing evidence to state why cannabis should be illegal in the first place either.

"must spread..."

[blue rider]

What did I miss? Where did all the lesbians come from in this thread?

the boys were having fun?

[Maha]

Where did all the lesbians come?

Last?....

[Fergus]

simple way to tell if what you're doing should be illegal/policed/punished
if you're not causing any harm to anyone else, it's not a real offence.

The graphs on the previous page clearly show pot causes harm to others, therefore pot must be a 'real offence'?
Or is the research flawed? one or the other innit?

[Katman]

Why don't you spend a few nights with the Cops on the beat and the ER's at the hospitals, talk to Drs. and surgeons, Paramedics, you know the one's who KNOW about things first hand?

If you seriously think that the vast majority of problems that the "Cops on the beat and the ER's at the hospitals" deal with are due to cannabis use then you're far more fucked in the head than I've ever given you credit for.

[Akzle]

The graphs on the previous page clearly show pot causes harm to others, therefore pot must be a 'real offence'?
Or is the research flawed? one or the other innit?

how does "me smoking dope" = "harm to others" ????

yes. that research is flawed, and entirely out of any context.
i have excel too, i can make graphs...

[PrincessBandit]

how does "me smoking dope" = "harm to others" ????

yes. that research is flawed, and entirely out of any context.
i have excel too, i can make graphs...

I can see how "me smoking dope in my own home where I intend to stay zoned out in my lounge/kitchen/back yard = no harm to others" holds some weight. However "me smoking dope then jumping in my car because I've just realised I'm out of beer/milk/food/weed = no harm to others" doesn't convince me.
Lots of people who get tanked are convinced they're just as good, if not better, drivers than when they're sober. I'm sure those same people are convinced of their superior "awareness" when stoned. I don't want to be in their way on the road...

(And yes, I concede there are varying levels of out-of-it-ness).

[Kickaha]

What did I miss? Where did all the lesbians come from in this thread?

I'm not sure but I dont think there have been enough of them yet

[SMOKEU]

I can see how "me smoking dope in my own home where I intend to stay zoned out in my lounge/kitchen/back yard = no harm to others" holds some weight. However "me smoking dope then jumping in my car because I've just realised I'm out of beer/milk/food/weed = no harm to others" doesn't convince me.
Lots of people who get tanked are convinced they're just as good, if not better, drivers than when they're sober. I'm sure those same people are convinced of their superior "awareness" when stoned. I don't want to be in their way on the road...

(And yes, I concede there are varying levels of out-of-it-ness).

Cannabis has difference effects from alcohol and does not impair users in the same manner.

[Katman]

I can see how "me smoking dope in my own home where I intend to stay zoned out in my lounge/kitchen/back yard = no harm to others" holds some weight. However "me smoking dope then jumping in my car because I've just realised I'm out of beer/milk/food/weed = no harm to others" doesn't convince me.

So no different to alcohol really.

So why should we treat cannabis any differently?

[FJRider]

Cannabis has difference effects from alcohol and does not impair ALL users in the same manner.

There ... fixed it for you ...

[scissorhands]

If a copper believes that someone is under the influence of say P, or precription drugs or coke or any other drug, surely they have an option to get these drivers out of their car and to a hospital..../ police station for testing.
I am all for decriminalising the use and simply possesion for own use, however i don't think that driving while under the influence of anything should be legal at all. and I include alcohol.

Some things are worse than others. Kava kava is a shocker to drive on, tobacco has some culpability. Sugary drinks cause a few accidents, yet no one is tested for sugar or caffeine intoxication. Herbal highs are legal, so presence in the blood has no legal implications, yet you could be high as hell having a panic attack.

The stats for cannabis related vehicle accidents, imply these accident types would be over-represented anyway, cannabis in their system or not. Its more of a class issue.

Discretion regarding allowance for a minimal exposure to cannabis for your average joe/joelene would be sensible policy

[FJRider]

Where did all the lesbians come from ?

Ask your mother dear ..