Roastbusters

**scumdog** · 9th November 2013, 15:52

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

All you can do is hope they never put themselves into that situation in the first place.

But they do.

And then come crying when it happens to THEM.

'Cos teenagers NEVER think (that bits true!) that anything nasty will ever happen to them - it only happens to 'other people' - people they don't know...

**Tazz** · 9th November 2013, 15:56

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

(Geez, when I was 18, I was desperate for sex, and wouldn't have had many qualms about how I (consentingly) got it. But there's no way I would have slept with a 13 year old (let alone all that getting her drunk stuff). I'd have felt like a molester - and I'm sure anyone I knew would have thought that of me too. This stuff is not about "the same peer group". When I was in 7th form (and was 17), the 13 years olds at school already seemed like children. (Not that I was really as "grown up" as I thought I was at that age).)

Agree!

Even 17 to 15 is a big jump at that age.

TBH it is a shame they didn't have a better group of friends that look out for each other.

**mashman** · 9th November 2013, 16:03

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Somewhat sensitive subject.
The nasty word "RAPE" being bandied around by the media. Are we talking actual rape or underage sex?
I get it and support that these girls are 13-15 years old so shouldn't be having sex.
The boys concerned equally are 16-17 year olds. so we aren't talking dirty old men here we are talking the same peer group.
Yes getting a person of any age drunk/stoned to have sex is pretty low but why muddy the water with the age issue?

Don't forget that they mentioned chloroform, or that if they told how they did it they'd end up in jail.

**mashman** · 9th November 2013, 16:05

Originally Posted by scumdog

But they do.

And then come crying when it happens to THEM.

'Cos teenagers NEVER think (that bits true!) that anything nasty will ever happen to them - it only happens to 'other people' - people they don't know...

I'll tell my kids that if they put themselves in that position and they're raped that the rape was legal. Thanks for the heads up.

**The Reibz** · 9th November 2013, 16:19

I didn't choose the roastlife, the roastlife chose me

**Zedder** · 9th November 2013, 16:29

[QUOTE=mashman;1130635617]You could just tell me as I'm off out to help a man with his wood.

I was on a schedule earlier too Masho.

Anyway, the Law you ask. No, if the Law gets involved it's already a fail.

The mechanism is about making kids accountable for their actions.

In a nutshell, from what I've read, heard etc by making kids accountable for their actions it builds their self control which in turn increases self-esteem. The more they control their lives, the better they feel about themselves.

Also, knowing good from bad developes conscience which is vital in stopping them going really bad.

**scumdog** · 9th November 2013, 16:30

Originally Posted by mashman

I'll tell my kids that if they put themselves in that position and they're raped that the rape was legal. Thanks for the heads up.

I don't know your kids - so I guess the could be that 'somebody else'.

Glad to help, chur!!

**mashman** · 9th November 2013, 16:49

Originally Posted by Zedder

I was on a schedule earlier too Masho.

Anyway, the Law you ask. No, if the Law gets involved it's already a fail.

The mechanism is about making kids accountable for their actions.

In a nutshell, from what I've read, heard etc by making kids accountable for their actions it builds their self control which in turn increases self-esteem. The more they control their lives, the better they feel about themselves.

Also, knowing good from bad developes conscience which is vital in stopping them going really bad.

Well you should have ditched it and explained yourself.

True.

Have you met many kids? You tell them certain things are bad/wrong etc... and they see some other kid testing that boundary, then they too are going to test that boundary innit. We're talking about a lack of life experience and that's something you can't teach, you can educate it, but you can't teach it. So whilst I agree on a certain level, we're dealing with kids. I don't think locking them away is a good idea either, because they don't get to have the experience. To be honest I don't know many kids that have self-esteem issues, but fail to see how knowing right from wrong and judging what they do could have that much to do with it. I'm not saying it has nothing to do with it, but I'd say it's more the interaction they have with adults that goes a larger way towards their self-esteem. I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing adults sigh and mumble under their breath, or post on an internet forum, that some 13 year old kid needs to grow up. Praps they should try to relate instead of expecting the kid to do all of the work.

Originally Posted by scumdog

I don't know your kids - so I guess the could be that 'somebody else'.

Glad to help, chur!!

Hopefully you'll never get to meet them in an official capacity.

**FROSTY:Me** · 9th November 2013, 16:57

PZ-Im looking at this with "old guy" and "dad" eyes. y lil baby gal is 13 years old.Fortunately for me she pretty much looks it.
But Ive seen a few of her freinds when they are off to the movies. They could pass for 17 with no qualms.
Yea its an age old story-Lots of 16-17 year old girls passing themselves off as 18 to get into clubs.Same story just younger age.

**FROSTY:Me** · 9th November 2013, 16:59

Originally Posted by mashman

Don't forget that they mentioned chloroform, or that if they told how they did it they'd end up in jail.

Sorry Im not following the story. If true then they are in deep dooo doo. If its normal teenage boy BS and bravado they will be regretting their lies about now.
OR WILL THEY--as the situation stands theres no real fallout.
"suspended from school" big deal- its exam time now so most kids that age are on study leave

**Akzle** · 9th November 2013, 17:20

Originally Posted by FROSTY

OR WILL THEY--as the situation stands theres no real fallout.
"suspended from school" big deal- its exam time now so most kids that age are on study leave

the cops' son has had to leave the roastbusters group....
Terrible. Just terrible, these consequences.

**Zedder** · 9th November 2013, 17:25

[QUOTE=mashman;1130635744]Well you should have ditched it and explained yourself.

True.

Have you met many kids? You tell them certain things are bad/wrong etc... and they see some other kid testing that boundary, then they too are going to test that boundary innit. We're talking about a lack of life experience and that's something you can't teach, you can educate it, but you can't teach it. So whilst I agree on a certain level, we're dealing with kids. I don't think locking them away is a good idea either, because they don't get to have the experience. To be honest I don't know many kids that have self-esteem issues, but fail to see how knowing right from wrong and judging what they do could have that much to do with it. I'm not saying it has nothing to do with it, but I'd say it's more the interaction they have with adults that goes a larger way towards their self-esteem. I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing adults sigh and mumble under their breath, or post on an internet forum, that some 13 year old kid needs to grow up. Praps they should try to relate instead of expecting the kid to do all of the work.

My apologies for having a life apart from KB...

Yep, I've met a few kids even did some relief lecturing for a while. What an eye opener that was and yes there were self esteem issues aplenty even with kids from supposedly well to do supportive backgrounds.

As far as the interaction with adults goes, the first point of contact is of course with parents so we're back to that being the critical factor. Role models play a part as well and these may well not be parents for one reason or another.

**Mom** · 9th November 2013, 17:42

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Somewhat sensitive subject.
The nasty word "RAPE" being bandied around by the media. Are we talking actual rape or underage sex?
I get it and support that these girls are 13-15 years old so shouldn't be having sex.
The boys concerned equally are 16-17 year olds. so we aren't talking dirty old men here we are talking the same peer group.
Yes getting a person of any age drunk/stoned to have sex is pretty low but why muddy the water with the age issue?

Frosty, these young fucks, bragged about plying 13y/old girls alcohol or what have you, and having group sex with them.

If you are under the age of consent, then no matter if you are a boy or a girl, the person you have sex with, potentially is up for a charge of Rape.

Underage sex is RAPE! The law defines it.

You are defining the problem that we have in todays society!

In your eyes, a young 16-17 year old boy, can have sex with an underage girl 13-14 years of age? It is just underage sex? Good luck with that when your little girl hits 13!

Reading your post again..." YOU get it and support that these girls are 13-15 years old so shouldn't be having sex."

However, You seem to be condoning the behaviour of these wankers, because they are 16-17 year olds. "The boys concerned equally are 16-17 year olds. so we aren't talking dirty old men here we are talking the same peer group."

Why "muddy the water with age"!?

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

**jonbuoy** · 9th November 2013, 18:22

Thinking back to school days - A lot of girls wanted older boyfriends- girls mature quicker than boys at that age so mentally older guys were more on their level. Add the kudos of "my boyfriend drives" or can buy cigarettes and booze. Not saying all girls but a lot of them did. A 15 year old girl having a boyfriend of 17 is hardly worthy of criminal charges is it?