Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[husaberg]

That in the year 2000 there were 88 deaths from measles out of a population of approx. 120 million.

My calculator won't even work out that percentage in a form that I can understand. But as far as I can make out it's lots and lots and lots of zeros after the decimal point.

The reason you cant understand is like you, pretty simple
of those 120 million over 80% were vaccinated already
of the remaining 26 million about 40-60% likely have had Measles previously .
Of the remainder likely 15% were vaccinated that year
of the remainder who knows how many were actually exposed to the measles.
But note as always its mainly the children that died.
you seek to say children don't die from measles yet its clear they do even in countries with first clas medical care and hygiene.
Why dont you write to the parents of those 88 achildren that died and tell them how its okay their children died of measles which is easily prevented by simple vaccination because you think vaccination is not needed.

[Katman]

Why dont you write to the parents of those 88 achildren that died and tell them how its okay their children died of measles which is easily prevented by simple vaccination because you think vaccination is not needed.

Well if the parents of those 88 children chose not to vaccinate their children then I imagine they accept that their loss is attributable to their actions.

I don't quite see why my opinion would or should matter to them.

[husaberg]

Well if the parents of those 88 children chose not to vaccinate their children then I imagine they accept that their loss is attributable to their actions.

I don't quite see why my opinion would or should matter to them.

Ironic as you seem to think your ill informed opinion matters full stop.
Why do you not write to them and tell them they are heros to the anti VAX cause then and see what they say.
Ask them if there is a day that goes past that they don't regret not vaccinating their children.
You are quick to throw out glib remarks and spead false information so why not take the VAX trolling to another level and do it in person.
As you ignored the correction of your latest ill informed rant you must accept it was woeful and are to embarred to reply to that.
You would have to wonder why you comment on the rates of measles or any stat aty all if you cant figure out most of the population of japan was vaccinated and only a minor percent was exposed to Measles in the first place.
Yet you claim to know better than Doctors and medical professionals about Vaccine safety.

As the merry go round comment that Walrus made you talk around in circles never offering proof of anything and when you are called out or shown to be wrong you just ignore it and post another myth or other piece of misinformation.
You seem to not understand you are talking about children's lives and the misinformation you knowingly continue to spread could endanger a child's life.
Either that or more likly you do realise and are that narcistic you get a kick out of spreading false information in the hope some kid will die from it.
whats the bet you change the subject agin three more times this week and all the while bringing up stuff that was already discredited here previously

[Katman]

....your latest ill informed rant......

There was nothing ill informed about it.

88 people died out of a population of approx. 120 million.

It's called putting it into perspective.

[matt.of.the.ingh]

There was nothing ill informed about it.

88 people died out of a population of approx. 120 million.

It's called putting it into perspective.

Sorry Katman. Somehow you seem to have completely missed my earlier post explaining that no, your comment does not give a sense of positive, or anything else. It's just a complete misunderstanding of statistics which makes you look really foolish.

Here it is again for you.
This time read the words. I'm afraid there aren't any pictures to help you.

Sorry everyone else, it takes a village to raise an idiot and all that....

You see (Katman) most of those 120 million are vaccinated. Whilst the vaccines weren't 100% effective that still means that most of the population don't count towards the number of people susceptible to measles.

It's like if you tried to prove motorbike accidents aren't dangerous by pointing out how many car drivers don't die from them. They just aren't relevant.

Them you have to remember that of the people who haven't had the vaccines are all the disabled, sick, pregnant women etc who rely on herd immunity to keep them safe. Remember, the ones who can't be vaccinated.

I posted you a link.

I'm sure you would have read it because you.... Well, look back and try again. It's easy to read, I promise.

To make it really relevant you'd also have to look into diets and make sure that your sample reflected the diets of all people everywhere in the world. Because the mortality rate for measles is calculated world wide, not for a single generation in Japan.

So. In 2000, in Japan 88 people died from measles out of a total population of 126 million didn't tell us anything at all about infection rates, mortality rates or anything else.
Your comment is the very definition of ill informed.

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[Katman]

Sorry Katman. Somehow you seem to have completely missed my earlier post explaining that no, your comment does not give a sense of positive, or anything else. It's just a complete misunderstanding of statistics which makes you look really foolish.

Here it is again for you.
This time read the words. I'm afraid there aren't any pictures to help you.

Sorry everyone else, it takes a village to raise an idiot and all that....

You see (Katman) most of those 120 million are vaccinated. Whilst the vaccines weren't 100% effective that still means that most of the population don't count towards the number of people susceptible to measles.

It's like if you tried to prove motorbike accidents aren't dangerous by pointing out how many car drivers don't die from them. They just aren't relevant.

Them you have to remember that of the people who haven't had the vaccines are all the disabled, sick, pregnant women etc who rely on herd immunity to keep them safe. Remember, the ones who can't be vaccinated.

I posted you a link.

I'm sure you would have read it because you.... Well, look back and try again. It's easy to read, I promise.

To make it really relevant you'd also have to look into diets and make sure that your sample reflected the diets of all people everywhere in the world. Because the mortality rate for measles is calculated world wide, not for a single generation in Japan.

So. In 2000, in Japan 88 people died from measles out of a total population of 126 million didn't tell us anything at all about infection rates, mortality rates or anything else.
Your comment is the very definition of ill informed.

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The way you keep repeating yourself makes you sound like the Berk's twin.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, it was TDL who brought up the car ride idea.

In order to show that people, including Anti-Vaxxers, regularly engage in far riskier activities, on a more regular basis, with their children, than Vaccines.

And therefore the claim of 'I just want to protect my children from potential harm' is demonstrably Bullshit.

[FJRider]

So lets get rid of Helmets then because more people die who are wearing Helmets....

Did the people that died wearing helmets have Measles ..?? ... AND would the people that died of Measles not die if they were wearing a helmet ... ??

If the answer to both questions is no ... your comparison is irrelevant in your argument.

More people die from Cancer than those in road accidents wearing crash helmets. Should those dying of cancer wear crash helmets to prevent death ... ???

Simple fact that in New Zealand (anyway) ... the probability of dying of measles is a lot less (Gross understatement) than dying with a crash helmet on ...

To totally prevent your own death on a motorcycle ... DON'T ride a motorcycle. It's that simple.

Get a Measles vaccination ... and you'll have a pretty good chance that you won't die of the Measles. Even with no vaccination ... you have a better than average chance that measles won't kill you.

Reduce the chance of death even more ... by wearing a condom.

At the end of the day ... it's (YOUR) personal choice on ALL these options.

[Katman]

In order to show that people, including Anti-Vaxxers, regularly engage in far riskier activities, on a more regular basis, with their children, than Vaccines.

And likewise, far riskier than dying from measles.

[TheDemonLord]

Did the people that died wearing helmets have Measles ..?? ... AND would the people that died of Measles not die if they were wearing a helmet ... ??

If the answer to both questions is no ... your comparison is irrelevant in your argument.

More people die from Cancer than those in road accidents wearing crash helmets. Should those dying of cancer wear crash helmets to prevent death ... ???

Simple fact that in New Zealand (anyway) ... the probability of dying of measles is a lot less (Gross understatement) than dying with a crash helmet on ...

To totally prevent your own death on a motorcycle ... DON'T ride a motorcycle. It's that simple.

Get a Measles vaccination ... and you'll have a pretty good chance that you won't die of the Measles. Even with no vaccination ... you have a better than average chance that measles won't kill you.

Reduce the chance of death even more ... by wearing a condom.

At the end of the day ... it's (YOUR) personal choice on ALL these options.

Sure - right up until your personal choice compromises others personal Safety. And that is the crux of the issue - if the rate falls below 95-90%, then Herd immunity starts to wear off. You might not want to Vaccinate your child - but what if that choice results in your child being a carrier of the Pathogen, which in turn causes the death of another Child.

Does your personal choice include personal responsibility for Negligence causing Death/Serious Injury?

The point about Helmets was to demonstrate the deliberate false premise of Katman's video: More people in NZ die who are wearing Helmets than people who don't wear Helmets, just like the argument in the Video is more people die from getting the Vaccine than from Measles. However, in both cases, it deliberately ignores the function/effect and frequency of Helmet usage/Vaccine usage.

The reason it's an absurd comparison is to show the absurdity of the original video.

[TheDemonLord]

And likewise, far riskier than dying from measles.

Except you ignore that unlike those riskier activities there is ZERO benefit to contacting Measles.

When you take a Car ride, the benefit is being able to travel a longer distance or faster or carrying a heavier load than if you walk.

What is the benefit of contracting Measles?

[Katman]

Except you ignore that unlike those riskier activities there is ZERO benefit to contacting Measles.

I haven't ignored anything.

Dying from measles is still far less risky than countless other activities that we partake in.

What is the benefit of contracting Measles?

Natural lifetime immunity.

[TheDemonLord]

I haven't ignored anything.

Dying from measles is still far less risky than countless other activities that we partake in.

You're ignoring the Benefits part of the equation. Plenty of things have risk and also have reward. Contracting Measles has Risk and no Reward.

Natural lifetime immunity.

Which is the same process by which the Vaccine works, so...

[Katman]

Which is the same process by which the Vaccine works, so...

Minus the mercury, aluminium, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde etc. etc.

[TheDemonLord]

Minus the mercury, aluminium, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde etc. etc.

In exceptionally tiny amounts, yes?
Amounts so small that the average person (without vaccination) will be exposed to far greater amounts over the course of their life?