Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[kelleyb]

I can't believe I even let myself get sucked into this thread.
I will say that I am enjoying my time here in NZ and the majority of people I've met so far have been top notch. I'm gonna get off this thread. Enjoy your debating and everyone have a safe weekend.
Cheers!
Kelleyb

[scumdog]

and the Red Brigade can march again

oH how happy you'd be

'Right' on!!

And you wouldn't???

[idleidolidyll]

Sorry bud, Muldoon is perhaps a better example of left wing politics, not the right (price freezes, stiff laws concerning imports etc). A capitalist he certainly wasn't.

who said he was right wing?

i only said he was a political abuser.

ditto for Roger Douglas; another fukker in the wrong party

mind you, price and wage freezes are pretty bloody conservative...........

[Mr Merde]

Just random thinking here.

We have all been reading and discussing the finer points of our political opinions.

What I would like to know is, where do we go from here?

We have had Monarchy, democracy, socialism, communism, capitalism, dictatorships, and many other forms of government.

None of these have worked.

Even our so called "democracy" isnt democratic. As Thomas Jeferson said

"Democracy is 51% of the people disregarding the views of the remaining 49%"

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with Nationalism. Not as in The National Party, which is just a name for a conservatively inclined version of all the other political parties we have.

Nationalism where I want whats good for in the following order;

Me, my family, my friends, my town, and my country.

Where I am proud to be part of these groups and feel that everything I do, donate (pay taxes) and decide will directly be for the benifit of such.

I am very tired of my government giving away our hard earned monies to groups (Kyoto) and countries while there are people in my own country going without a satisfactory lifestyle.

They give away millions of our tax dollars for their pet projects and we suffer for it.

I dont quite come across with what I anm thinking so I hope you can make head or tail of my ramblings



Whats next?

[jrandom]

Explain the law that discriminates against blacks in the south with regards to voting.

The law doesn't discriminate. The law is perfectly sensible; felons can't vote. That's not the issue. The issue is that the law was wrongly applied.

I don't keep a scrapbook of articles on the subject, but a quick Google search turned up this relevant Washington Post article.

Also, here's a good collection of information relating to dodgy electronic voting systems.

Look closer, little citizen, look closer...

[mstriumph]

bugger!
i wanted to rec SPMans lates excellent post but I've run out!

dammit!

well said SP

agree

so i'll do it for you

[idleidolidyll]

'Right' on!!

And you wouldn't???

well i didi get some great shots of cops beating on people, barbed wire and smoke at Eden Park and full scale riots in Godzone but no, I'd probably be arrested for throwing things at the fukkers

[idleidolidyll]

I am very tired of my government giving away our hard earned monies

tell us again how much money the ACC gave you recently?

that's socialism at work bro, in yankland you'd have to pay megabucks in insurance or go without

[mstriumph]

Sorry, but you are wrong.

can you reference corroboration?

[mstriumph]

Blah fucking blah. What about commenting on my bloody photos??

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...1&postcount=86

i didn't because i couldn't decide what you meant by posting them.....

was it a desire to introduce tranquility in the midst of talk of carnage?

was it to remove the heat from the debate?

was it so prove that architecture survived where people didn't?



........ i wasn't IGNORING your pics - they are lovely ----- but ??

[Goblin]

oh yes indeed, there's barely anything more profitable than the killing industry

Yeah there's the pharmaceutical industry.....oh that's right, they're the same.


I notice one thing missing in the Robert Taylor and III political debate thread. Where's Robert Taylor?

[Mr Merde]

tell us again how much money the ACC gave you recently?

that's socialism at work bro, in yankland you'd have to pay megabucks in insurance or go without

Not talking about internal socialism. I'm pissed off at whatever government giving away our monies to outside agencies etc.

How much is the Kyoto agreement going to cost us and what are we goingt ot get out of it.

In aswer to my own question--- Millions and fuck all.

Why? So a bunch of tree huggers can feel good about themselves and hold themselves up to the rest of us as shining examples of benevolence and love for all. What a crock of shit. Every one of thos scum suckers are in it for anything they can get. The major prize to them is power over the popluace.

[The Stranger:Me]

right...........like new fascist amerikkka where the rich get richer and the poor go to iraq to kill and die for amerikkka's blood money

right wing conservatism only benefits the already haves

So assuming you have the power to meld it how you believe society should be. Give us your vision of the ideal USA.

[Mr Merde]

Yeah there's the pharmaceutical industry.....oh that's right, they're the same.


I notice one thing missing in the Robert Taylor and III political debate thread. Where's Robert Taylor?

Robert was here but he seems to have gone off the board. Maybe, unlike the rest of us, he has a life outside KB.

A daring thought but could there be life off this board?

[Ocean1]

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with Nationalism. Not as in The National Party, which is just a name for a conservatively inclined version of all the other political parties we have.

Nationalism where I want whats good for in the following order;

Me, my family, my friends, my town, and my country.

Where I am proud to be part of these groups and feel that everything I do, donate (pay taxes) and decide will directly be for the benifit of such.

I am very tired of my government giving away our hard earned monies to groups (Kyoto) and countries while there are people in my own country going without a satisfactory lifestyle.

They give away millions of our tax dollars for their pet projects and we suffer for it.

I dont quite come across with what I anm thinking so I hope you can make head or tail of my ramblings

Whats next?

Good model, close to federalism?

Guess you'd start by devolving more of central gumint's social management roles to regional versions (states?, councils?) and further to smaller neighbourhood groups.

Makes sense because it allows national infrastructure to be managed by a national group, regional management by that group and gives the possibility of a genuine neighbourhood contribution for the smallest group.

I also like it that it potentially means both regional and local groups would then be on a competitive footing. Don't think you're getting good value for your local taxes? Move. Not happy with the way they're budgeting for schooling or health? Move.

I wonder what range the spread of baby states would take after a decade or two...