Power to weight restriction

[Ixion]

Laws of supply and demand mate. 2 Stroke 250s are the way people get maximum performance for their licence class. This loophole now closes so you will need a full licence to ride a 2T 250 right? If you have a full licence why get a 60hp 2T for $10,000 if you can get a 90hp+ 4T 600 for the same money (or less)?

You would have to be someone like me who is more concerned with handling than power and too many people have been brainwashed by the Japanese marketeers and are fixated with hp at the crank.

Indeed. What sane person would want an unreliable temperamental expensive to run 250cc when they can have a nice reliable sensible 600cc 4 stroke that produces more horsepower. You'd have to be a homo or a nana to choose a bike with less horsepower and less cc.

RS250s, they won't be able to give them away. Glut on the market, selling for scrap metal prices that's what they'll be in a few months.

Any wise RS250 owners will start to shift them ASAP for whatever they can get.
Just only because I'm a benevolent philanthropist I might be persuaded (much against my better judgement) to help out any unlucky two stroke 250 owners.

[idleidolidyll]

I also believe in supply and demand - but as the license restrictions change I think you'll find that the demand will drop as well.

I wasn't saying that the prices on 2-stroke 250 ccms isn't going to drop - just that $5,000 for a nice machine will still be unrealistic.

You forget that a properly tuned and maintained RS250 will be about as fast around a track (bar the straight) as a 600 ccm sports bike - and probably more fun as well.

So unless you expect the entire market to shift down dramatically with these new laws I think you'll be looking long and hard for a nice 2-stroke 250 ccm for less than $7,500 (we're talking the 60+ hps here of course, not the restricted ones).

The 250 market has been hideously OVERPRICED for years because of the dumb rules. I see this as a smart move all round that will make entering the motorcycle market more fun, safer AND cheaper.

[jrandom]

Have you ridden one? I rode a nearly new one,and they weren't that fast...

Gosh, no. I'd quite like a go on one, if only to be able to say that I had.

I wouldn't imagine that anyone would dream of owning one and using it as a learner bike; surely running examples in good condition would be worth significant sums of money these days?

[jrandom]

Indeed. What sane person would want an unreliable temperamental expensive to run 250cc when they can have a nice reliable sensible 600cc 4 stroke that produces more horsepower.

imdying would, but then he's not really all that sane.

[LilSel]

- "This 'ere list of bigger bikes that ain't too fast".

ohhh.... ... lol.... Thanks

[Trouser]

I hope there is going to be a serious revision of those aussie lams approved bikes if we are going to use that list here? It neglects to mention many many bikes we get over here.

[Mikkel]

I think this is all good,should of been done decades ago - pity so many idiots had to kill themselves before there was any action.I wonder if those in power ever read these forums?

Surely, if it was only the idiots and they did it to themselves - who are we to complain?

Noone but the rider chooses to crank that throttle... Any death attributed to people riding bikes that are beyond their skills can not possibly be blamed on anyone but the rider! Unfortunate circumstances are equally dangerous to small and big bikes alike - poor judgement goes from being dangerous to suicidal when you're on a powerful bike.

Mikkel is right on the money

As always.

Fuck me, that's the wine talking. Be gentle

The 250 market has been hideously OVERPRICED for years because of the dumb rules. I see this as a smart move all round that will make entering the motorcycle market more fun, safer AND cheaper.

Indeed - but while some people think that the prices are going to drop by a large amount almost instantly I don't agree.

There aren't that many nice 250 ccm sportsbikes around and they will still be worth a bit of coin. What will suffer are the ones that are rough as guts and/or in the low-performance segments (GNs et al.).
That's my prediction anyway - we'll have to wait and see how things goes.

[idleidolidyll]

I hope there is going to be a serious revision of those aussie lams approved bikes if we are going to use that list here? It neglects to mention many many bikes we get over here.

isn't that the kind of thing MNZ should be helping with?

[idleidolidyll]

Surely, if it was only the idiots and they did it to themselves - who are we to complain?

Noone but the rider chooses to crank that throttle... Any death attributed to people riding bikes that are beyond their skills can not possibly be blamed on anyone but the rider! Unfortunate circumstances are equally dangerous to small and big bikes alike - poor judgement goes from being dangerous to suicidal when you're on a powerful bike.



As always.

Fuck me, that's the wine talking. Be gentle



Indeed - but while some people think that the prices are going to drop by a large amount almost instantly I don't agree.

There aren't that many nice 250 ccm sportsbikes around and they will still be worth a bit of coin. What will suffer are the ones that are rough as guts and/or in the low-performance segments (GNs et al.).
That's my prediction anyway - we'll have to wait and see how things goes.

sure, it won't be an overnight drop because people will want to recoup as much as possible for their bikes. However, it will gradually reduce prices and there will be SOME instant bargains.

The thing that'll save the GN250's of this world are its cheap price, its passive nature and the fact that short blokes and chicks can ride em and not be intimidated as they can get both feet down flat.

the rough as guts ones might end up on the scrapheap where they belong

[Mekk]

A very valid point. One concerning point about all this, is that it is an invidious distinction between motorcyclists and cagers. Cagers have NO capacity or weight / power restrictions. Why then should we ? Cagers will not have to wait 12 months on their R if over 25 . Why should we ?

Is it fair that motorcyclists should be singled out for more restrictive conditions than their four wheeled cousins ?

I may be holding our politicians too highly here but if this goes well and stats improve, could they use it as good grounds for introducing it to boy racers/cages?

I know that introducing it to the car community would piss a lot more people off. You'd get the whiners on the benefit on Campbell Live saying how the government has destroyed their only method of transport etc etc.

The four-wheeled community really doesn't care as much as we do about the benefits of restrictions like these. At least most of the car petrolheads I talk to don't...

[Mikkel]

the rough as guts ones might end up on the scrapheap where they belong

Yay, there may still be a future for the few nice ZXR250As then... Parts are not that easy to come by. A number of the rougher ones ending up in the scrapyards may solve that problem

[MVnut]

Hope the govt eventually follow Aussie on the 'turning left gives way' rule. NZ adopted this soon after Oz. Oz repealed this 9 months later because it doesn't work, did NZ follow their advise........no

[sinned]

Indeed - but while some people think that the prices are going to drop by a large amount almost instantly I don't agree.

There aren't that many nice 250 ccm sportsbikes around and they will still be worth a bit of coin. What will suffer are the ones that are rough as guts and/or in the low-performance segments (GNs et al.).
That's my prediction anyway - we'll have to wait and see how things goes.

My prediction is bike importers will be adjusting their forward orders as I we debate this. Few if any 250s will be imported until the demand for them is known, current stock of 250s will be discounted and as the legal changes are made bikes nearer the limits will come onto the shop floor at higher prices.

[McJim]

My prediction is bike importers will be adjusting their forward orders as I we debate this. Few if any 250s will be imported until the demand for them is known, current stock of 250s will be discounted and as the legal changes are made bikes nearer the limits will come onto the shop floor at higher prices.

It only affects the real crotch rockets. 2 strokes. Most of the good 2T two fiddies are already in the country. I predict the price of Monster 400s are gonna rocket and we'll see ample supply of those bastards before too long.....good job too as they would make a fantastic learner bike. That and the Buell Blast.

[Motu]

Surely, if it was only the idiots and they did it to themselves - who are we to complain?



Fuck me, that's the wine talking.

You are reading this thread,or has the wine taken over? The ACC and Mr Duynhoven are complaining,and are going to do something about it.That's what this discussion is all about - the proposed changes in regulations.