Power to weight restriction

[Roj]

indeed............. i got my full in 1975

u must be old....

I haven't had mine quite that long but it was also REALLY easy to get, did the written and verbal tests, got given a provisional license, valid for 8 weeks, then went back to do the practical test, which, cause the traffic officer was in a hurry that day was a few figure 8s in the carpark, then 6 months latter it automatically became a full licence without any further test...

I would hate to have to go through all the palava again

[mark247]

Depends on the insurance company, if you are able to prove the other party was in the wrong, then you don't lose the no claims (at least that is the way my insurance comany as worked several times)

Im pretty sure that's how all insurance claims work, i think its in the Insurance Act or whatever its called.

[Roj]

When it comes to road bikes the reasons NOT to ride 1000cc sportbikes are even greater: Without constantly breaking the law by a large degree or riding dangerously for yourself or others, those bikes are wasted on the street. How many times have you heard an R1 rider or Gasaxe rider say they only have fun when they are breaking the speed limits by massive amounts? I've heard it so many times I can't count em! In fact many of us have learned that less is more. My next bike will have about 60% of the HP my current one has and it will be more fun and actually faster on the most interesting roads.

Have to agree, I ride a classic honda because it is what I like, I don't go all that fast, but it can still get to instant loss of licence territory. I can do a days riding and not have to get the kinks out of my back

[scumdog]

Will the government compensate them the price of the bike that they own but can't ride anymore?

Yeah, just the same way they refunded tickets for those caught doing 60mph (98kph) after the speed limit was bumped from 50mph to 60mph.

[Titanium]

What do the Aussies do?

The power to weight ratio is a measure of the motorcycle’s performance and is a better indicator of performance than engine capacity alone. The power output (kilowatts) is divided by the tare weight of the motorcycle + 90 kg (for rider and fuel). The result is then multiplied by 1000 (to convert to kw per tonne). The figure of 90 kg is used in this calculation because this is the figure used for testing braking in Australian Design Rule ADR33 ‘Brake Systems for Motorcycle and Mopeds’. The manufacturer determines the engine power and tare weight of the motorcycle.

[wantabike]

I just got my learners, so how is this going to affect me?

I want to buy a bike so I can learn, but whats the point if I get a bike then they ban it. I will be in trouble then because i'm not made of money.

Can anyone help or do reckon just go for it?

[McDuck]

I just got my learners, so how is this going to affect me?

I want to buy a bike so I can learn, but whats the point if I get a bike then they ban it. I will be in trouble then because i'm not made of money.

Can anyone help or do reckon just go for it?

Just go for it.

I dont know of any 4 stroke 250s that are going to be banned. You should not be learning on a two stroke 250 anyway.
What very you do dont get sucked in by a salesman. Take a convenient KBer with you.

[Rogue]

Yep I feel sorry for the youngsters today
Got my full in '76 had provisional for one week,then answered 5 or so questions and then went for a ride around the block with the TC on his bike behind me and that was it
Got my HT in '86 drove up the road to a pub backed into the driveway (thought the bugger was goin to shout me a drink) and then drove back
Things were much simpler back then.

[wantabike]

thank you I will

[mark247]

The power to weight ratio is a measure of the motorcycle’s performance and is a better indicator of performance than engine capacity alone. The power output (kilowatts) is divided by the tare weight of the motorcycle + 90 kg (for rider and fuel). The result is then multiplied by 1000 (to convert to kw per tonne). The figure of 90 kg is used in this calculation because this is the figure used for testing braking in Australian Design Rule ADR33 ‘Brake Systems for Motorcycle and Mopeds’. The manufacturer determines the engine power and tare weight of the motorcycle.

interesting, i never realised they added the 90kg on.

[rachprice]

Shit!
I agree with this approach, it makes a lot of sense the 2-stroke 250's are very fast and can be a worry with learner riders
Not good for me who happens to have brought an RGV to learn on (I know it is an intense bike to learn on, definitely not the best) but got it because it was a cheap 250 I could afford on my not so awesome student income.
So who knows what will happen, I guess I will deal with it when the time comes.

[quickbuck]

I have a 750. It means I can't ride a 1000 cos I aint got one...

Whats your secret?

Borrow my mates...

Best thing about motorcycles: You can ride your mates bike and still be mates.

[Dodger]

Compulsory headlights at all times

A mate of mine (and long time biker) feels very strongly about this, as in it SHOULD NOT be law.

Franticly his feeling is that "yes", you should have your light on, but the law shouldn't be in place to make it a crime if it's not. How many Cage drivers are going to say "I didn't see him because he didn't have his light on" (even if it was) and thus make it into a he said/she said argument after a crash?

He also said that he's managed to forget to turn the light on after switching it off to start a bike with a dodgy battery.

Next they will want it law for us all to wear hi-vis vests... heh, maybe we need a guy to run in front of the bike with a bell to warn people that we are approaching like in the good old days?

[scumdog]

A mate of mine (and long time biker) feels very strongly about this, as in it SHOULD NOT be law.

Franticly his feeling is that "yes", you should have your light on, but the law shouldn't be in place to make it a crime if it's not. How many Cage drivers are going to say "I didn't see him because he didn't have his light on" (even if it was) and thus make it into a he said/she said argument after a crash?

He also said that he's managed to forget to turn the light on after switching it off to start a bike with a dodgy battery.

Next they will want it law for us all to wear hi-vis vests... heh, maybe we need a guy to run in front of the bike with a bell to warn people that we are approaching like in the good old days?

A couple of points:

IF you chose not to have your light on and because of that get hit? - you're still hit, regardless of what the other driver says. (And if you get hit even with your light on? - mehh, at least you gave it a shot at being visible.)

And more and more bikes are hardwired these days - so the "I turned the light off to start my bike because it has a dodgy battery" story won't come into it so much anymore.

[Dodger]

(And if you get hit even with your light on? - mehh, at least you gave it a shot at being visible.)

Except if the cage driver says you didn't have the light on (even if you did), it would make YOU in the wrong regardless of what else they or you did. and near imposable to prove otherwise. (eg. prove the rider didn't turn the light on after the crash?)

The hard-wired lights is a good idea, but not all bike have this. My 2006 Hyo doesn't, nor do any of my mates 6 bikes (including a 2008 model)