Disbelief at what I heard

[Ryan432]

Safety issues aside why would you want to ride to uni in the mornings in the freezing cold with an open helmet? people who don't ride probably arn't aware how much coldeer the moring is when you are moving at scooter or bike pace.

[NordieBoy]

To say open face ones are a fail is a wee bit extreme, but they arent the same when it comes to the chin area.

I've got a $600 KBC FFR flip front and on the chin bar are the words "Does not protect chin from impact".
1800g of flippy that I ride (in the hills) with the flip flipped or 1300g for an oxford open face with a peak.
My neck votes for the Oxford and it's much better for taking photos with out at cross countries without the chin bar.

When I get my Zeus 2100b I'll probably use it most of the time but it's still around 1700g.

[Sparrowhawk]

Good onya Drider. Personally, I have a full face helmet, but that's my choice. It's one thing to give advice, but if you're at a stand trying to get people to go on 2 wheels and join your 'club', telling them that they'd end up with no face might not be the best way encourage them?

Ya did great by getting them interested, telling them how much it might cost, giving some advice about getting proper gear.

I've had people I work with butt in like that. Tore them a new one afterwards.

[Ixion]

Safety issues aside why would you want to ride to uni in the mornings in the freezing cold with an open helmet? people who don't ride probably arn't aware how much coldeer the moring is when you are moving at scooter or bike pace.

Silk scarf. Toasty warm. Much warmer than a full face with the visor closed. And no fogging problems.

[Ragingrob]

I'm gonna stay outta this one

[PirateJafa]

Fucking westies.

[Swoop]

So, how many ladies decided that 2-wheels are better than 4?

[Squiggles]

Not many, if any .... nah, 2 including Rie

[Nagash]

I think that's perfectly acceptable bad mouthing open-face helmets. They are in no way the safest option and are usually bought for either convenience or 'The Look'.

I reckon people should bitch more about them.. it makes me look even cooler into my Nazi Helmet Style Skid Lid

[cowboyz]

God gave me free will. Who are you to take it away?

Unfortuately, God didnt realise how fucking dumb he made us.

Firstly. Open face helmets are a joke. Wouldnt catch me in a million years riding with one.
Secondly, anyone who buys anything on the advice of a single person is a clown. The wise thing to do would be to ask around. If you (and by "you" I mean anyone who doesnt know shit and wants to know more) gets 400 replies saying full face helmets are the way to go and 50 saying open face helmets are the way to go then it is pretty clear cut which way to go.
As for ATGATT, if you are riding a scooter through town at 50k/hr to commute the chances of coming off and sliding down the road are much less than "open road" riding. However the chances of hitting something hard or something hard hitting you are much more. Full race leathers are not going to offer any more protection slamming into a car than jeans. I have no issues with town riders/commuters riding without full gear as long as there is no skin showing.

[Ixion]

I think that's perfectly acceptable bad mouthing open-face helmets. They are in no way the safest option and are usually bought for either convenience or 'The Look'.

I reckon people should bitch more about them.. it makes me look even cooler into my Nazi Helmet Style Skid Lid

I think that's perfectly acceptable bad mouthing motorbikes. They are in no way the safest option and are usually bought for either convenience or 'The Look'.

I reckon people should bitch more about them.. it makes me look even cooler in my SUV.

[Ragingrob]

OK ok maybe I'll make one comment...

How on earth does the opinion of one, or even five, person(s) even begin to represent the mindset of the entire club??

[Ragingrob]

I think that's perfectly acceptable bad mouthing motorbikes. They are in no way the safest option and are usually bought for either convenience or 'The Look'.

I reckon people should bitch more about them.. it makes me look even cooler in my SUV.

I think that's perfectly acceptable bad mouthing SUVs. They are in no way the safest option and are usually bought for either convenience or 'The Look'.

I reckon people should bitch more about them.. it makes me look even cooler in my Corolla.





This game is fun!

[Phurrball]

I am Uncle Helen, your once elected never unelected Fuhrer for life. I expect you to salute me.

Also, bite me, I'm eating a Peanut Slab.


Right now.

Damn its goooooood

So spake the homegrown Kiwibiker derivative of Godwin's law.

The longer a discussion goes on, the more likely the Labour gubbermint or 'Uncle Helen' are invoked and blamed...

*Disclaimer - not saying I love the Labour gubbermint - I just grow tired of the simplistic all-too-easy blaming - are we really that intellectually weak?*


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Back on topic - of course pragmatism should come into it, if, hypothetically, a person can really only afford an open-face AND gloves rather than a full face, common sense says do it.

HOWEVER - with the abundance of reasonably priced full face helmets available (many cheaper than a 'bling' open face no doubt), and the facts relating to facial and dental injury presented to the prosepctive helmet buyer, it surprises me anyone would plumb for an open face. Personally, I'd rather have a scooter/bike crash 5 minutes from home in town in a cheap full face than a gold-plated, bluetooth-satnav-espresso-brewing open face helmet any day.

Most people selling bike safety gear will have tricks to convince those desiring to eschew a critical piece of gear to see sense - some I've heard:

An offer to a prospective gloveless rider to reach out a car door and touch the tarmac at 30km/hr.

A sugggestion to a person seeing to only buy a helmet to run full tilt into a concrete wall (maybe 25km/hr for an average person).

"No. it'll hurt!" - exactly...

Who knows what dire analogy one could come up with to sell a full face over an open face...

(Not getting at you D, I'm scientifically and semi-legally trained - so I like empirical study data AND analogies)

Remember too - we get to pay for the dental and pastic surgery work of people's personal choices via ACC. Personal choice should be tempered with accurate info and a broader view of the issue.

As you were...

[The Stranger:Me]

I recommended that she should budget in 1000-1500 for a scooter and roughly 600 dollars for a jacket, gloves, helmet and draggin jeans *along with words of caution that sturdy boots are a good idea, not including high heels which is not a good idea*.

All fine until a colleague stated never...NEVER buy an open face helmet, if you ever want to have a face. T


*now I say club as I got a pretty unanimous picture that all there hated open face helmets bar me*

So what exactly is the point of your post?

You appear to be of the opinion that safety is important - provided it is your idea of safety and no one elses.