MotoGP 2014

[Dave-]

What's up with MM always picking the hard tyre option?

I think he's less sideways than last season too, so I don't think it's tyre wear due only to his excessive heat.

Though that motogp docco (faster) claims sliding doesn't wear the tyre out as fast as one might think.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What's up with MM always picking the hard tyre option?

I think he's less sideways than last season too, so I don't think it's tyre wear due only to his excessive heat.

Though that motogp docco (faster) claims sliding doesn't wear the tyre out as fast as one might think.

I guess if you can work them hard enough to be hot enough to do the job at the start of the race...there's the thought that you'll have more tyre at the end of the race to play with.

Back in the day...riders like Garry McCoy etc were found to be generating less heat into the tyre sliding it hard out compared to hard out cornering. The theory being that the heat caused by the sidewall during super extreme angles and sidewall distortion created less heat that the localised heating of the huge slides McCoy etc were doing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Apr/140428rydernotes.htm

Meantime...waiting on Eelracing to tell us all what a bet actually is and why I'm a bottle less pussy and he's not. May be waiting a while yet though by the look of it...cat seems to have his tounge.

[eelracing]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Apr/140428rydernotes.htm

Meantime...waiting on Eelracing to tell us all what a bet actually is and why I'm a bottle less pussy and he's not. May be waiting a while yet though by the look of it...cat seems to have his tounge.

It's tongue you bumlick.

Go read your PM's.

[Mental Trousers]

I guess if you can work them hard enough to be hot enough to do the job at the start of the race...there's the thought that you'll have more tyre at the end of the race to play with.

Back in the day...riders like Garry McCoy etc were found to be generating less heat into the tyre sliding it hard out compared to hard out cornering. The theory being that the heat caused by the sidewall during super extreme angles and sidewall distortion created more heat that the localised heating of the huge slides McCoy etc were doing.

Fixed it for you.

Sliding only causes the surface to heat up, whereas the sidewall flexing put heat into the carcass which acts as a heat sink, ie it doesn't dissipate as quickly and builds up.

You can see it in the tyres they use for very abrasive tracks. They add more rubber to the carcass out towards the edges so they can soak up the heat better and then hopefully it can be dissipated once out of the corner.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's tongue you bumlick.

Go read your PM's.

1: A bet is something two or more people have over the outcome of a particular event. Don't recall you putting anything up, so not really as bet as such.

2: Go back and read post # 1181 ya raving Goober.

3: As mentioned...that isn't even beer. :bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fixed it for you.

Sliding only causes the surface to heat up, whereas the sidewall flexing put heat into the carcass which acts as a heat sink, ie it doesn't dissipate as quickly and builds up.

You can see it in the tyres they use for very abrasive tracks. They add more rubber to the carcass out towards the edges so they can soak up the heat better and then hopefully it can be dissipated once out of the corner.

That's the one. Ta.

[pritch]

For anyone interested in statistics?
Jerez is the only track at which MM has not won a race in any class.
Yet.

Bridgestone have increased the tyre allocations: each rider to get a choice of three different compound front tyres, and ten total, up from nine.

[roogazza]

For anyone interested in statistics?
Jerez is the only track at which MM has not won a race in any class.
Yet.

Bridgestone have increased the tyre allocations: each rider to get a choice of three different compound front tyres, and ten total, up from nine.

Will always remember Rossi bumping Gibernau in that last corner and then himself getting served by Elias and crashing another year.
Maniac Spanish crowds,100 odd thousand of them.

[Mental Trousers]

I wonder what the odds at the TAB are for Marquez starting every race on Pole and going on to win all of them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Will always remember Rossi bumping Gibernau in that last corner and then himself getting served by Elias and crashing another year.
Maniac Spanish crowds,100 odd thousand of them.

Was Portugal where Elias gave them all the learn mate.

[roogazza]

Was Portugal where Elias gave them all the learn mate.

Cheers bud, sorry about that. Is that where Elias got a set of Pedrosa's tyres or have I got that wrong too.(going dippy ya know).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cheers bud, sorry about that. Is that where Elias got a set of Pedrosa's tyres or have I got that wrong too.(going dippy ya know).

No need for apologies mate. I just remember the race is all. Dunno 'bout the tyres etc.

[pritch]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Bridgestone%20to%20withdraw%20from%20MotoGP%20afte r%20the%202015%20season

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Bridgestone%20to%20withdraw%20from%20MotoGP%20afte r%20the%202015%20season

As long as they scrap the one make tyre rule all good!

[pritch]

As long as they scrap the one make tyre rule all good!

That is not the plan.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That is not the plan.

That's a pity.

[Shaun Harris]

That's a pity.









I kinda like the one make tyre rule, as it stops what used to happen with Rossi and few others. The last thing is the tyre and to have all riders and bikes using the same brand kinda makes it more interesting as it kinda makes the fight more =

[pritch]

I kinda like the one make tyre rule, as it stops what used to happen with Rossi and few others. The last thing is the tyre and to have all riders and bikes using the same brand kinda makes it more interesting as it kinda makes the fight more =

To make the racing really interesting Dorna could appoint Cheng Shin the official supplier.

The initial comments from the riders indicate a degree of worry that another manufacturer may not be able to make tyres to Bridgestone standards. Rossi has spoken in praise of Bridgestone which is slightly odd considering his CoTA experience just a few weeks ago. Then again, it has been suggested that he is a paid ambassador for Bridgestone. He will also be worried about having to radically change his style yet again.

There have been suggestions that the single supplier system be changed but that "overnight specials" be ruled out. So far though it seems the various manufacturers are being asked to submit proposals on a single supplier basis.

[Shaun Harris]

To make the racing really interesting Dorna could appoint Cheng Shin the official supplier.

The initial comments from the riders indicate a degree of worry that another manufacturer may not be able to make tyres to Bridgestone standards. Rossi has spoken in praise of Bridgestone which is slightly odd considering his CoTA experience just a few weeks ago. Then again, it has been suggested that he is a paid ambassador for Bridgestone. He will also be worried about having to radically change his style yet again.

There have been suggestions that the single supplier system be changed but that "overnight specials" be ruled out. So far though it seems the various manufacturers are being asked to submit proposals on a single supplier basis.













Multi brands of tyres is not healthy, as the same old will start to happen again likw with Rossi and Ducati with CS

[Mental Trousers]

Dorna should control distribution of tyres so nobody is favoured, just like they do with engines in Moto2

[Shaun Harris]

Dorna should control distribution of tyres so nobody is favoured, just like they do with engines in Moto2






so run multi brand tyres but distribution at the control of Dorna? That still leaves the door open for a manufacturer to focus on one brand of machine and riders so in my mind still will not make it =

[DidJit]

Bit more on the talk of the day (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/05/01/2014_jerez_motogp_thursday_round_up_on_b.html)...

[Mental Trousers]

so run multi brand tyres but distribution at the control of Dorna? That still leaves the door open for a manufacturer to focus on one brand of machine and riders so in my mind still will not make it =

Nothing wrong with that as long as there's a choice. If it isn't working for a team with one tyre supplier then move to another. That's what happens when there's no single supplier rule.

As long as there's more than 1 rider/team they can't make specials unless it's for all the riders they supply.

[Shaun Harris]

Nothing wrong with that as long as there's a choice. If it isn't working for a team with one tyre supplier then move to another. That's what happens when there's no single supplier rule.

As long as there's more than 1 rider/team they can't make specials unless it's for all the riders they supply.








dude, it is 2014 already, Contracts get signed so there will be NO changing brand once signed for the year

[Mental Trousers]

dude, it is 2014 already, Contracts get signed so there will be NO changing brand once signed for the year

Didn't say they'd be swapping every 5 minutes. Teams change suppliers at the end of the season etc, no reason to stop that. Just have suppliers sending the tyres to Dorna and they dish them out.

[Shaun Harris]

Didn't say they'd be swapping every 5 minutes. Teams change suppliers at the end of the season etc, no reason to stop that. Just have suppliers sending the tyres to Dorna and they dish them out.






ok agree to disagree on this one man

[Drew]

Piss off the fucken lot of you. Control tyres or anything for that matter, is the exact opposite of what prototype racing is about.

One set of rules for all, build the best you can to work inside those rules and find a rider who best utilises the package.

[Asher]

A rule making teams only use those tyres that they brought at the start of the weekend should stop the over night specials.

During the BTSport coverage they said that Bridgestone signed the contract to be the sole tyre supplier just before the global financial crisis and had they known they would have never signed the contract.

With Pirelli supplying WSBK and Dunlop covering Moto2/3 it doesnt leave many large tyre manufacturers left.

[pritch]

FP1
EsA
LOR
MAQ
PED
ROS

Riders checking front as they dismount, despite softer rears.

[pritch]

Piss off the fucken lot of you. Control tyres or anything for that matter, is the exact opposite of what prototype racing is about.


What on earth have you been reading? I don't think any of us are in favour of a single supplier rule. There has been some discussion of potential problems with having multiple suppliers to avoid certain historic anomalies, but that's all irrelevant because at this stage it's not an option. However much we would like it to be.

[pritch]

The big news overnight from Jerez was that Edwards had been given the arse card. His comment was "Bullshit!"

The rumour started from a misinterpreted quote from an interview in Italian. The quote was to the effect that if Collin doesn't want to keep riding we'll find another position for him in the team.

That and the fact that someone else is testing his bike on Monday because Edwards has nothing to test.

The denials from Edwards and the team management did little to cool the rumour.

[Shaun Harris]

What on earth have you been reading? I don't think any of us are in favour of a single supplier rule. There has been some discussion of potential problems with having multiple suppliers to avoid certain historic anomalies, but that's all irrelevant because at this stage it's not an option. However much we would like it to be.







He has been reading what I have been saying Pritch, and I am in favour of the one make tyre supplier, it helps keep the fight more even but I do not see this happening next time around, as it is way to costly for one company to do this now.

[BMWST?]

He has been reading what I have been saying Pritch, and I am in favour of the one make tyre supplier, it helps keep the fight more even but I do not see this happening next time around, as it is way to costly for one company to do this now.

I think they need to ipen it up more.there will need to be al least two suppliers imho,and I think we are going to see the whole game turn on its head.My understanding is the bridgestones are fantastic tyres,and if you can get the bike to work with them you get fantastic results.interesting times ahead,i bet the lap times in 2015 will be way down on these coupla years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

,i bet the lap times in 2015 will be way down on these coupla years.

2016 innit? And I don't know about that. Lap times haven't really fallen much over the last few years despite the bikes getting better/faster...so are the tyres holding them back?

[BMWST?]

2016 innit? And I don't know about that. Lap times haven't really fallen much over the last few years despite the bikes getting better/faster...so are the tyres holding them back?

Yep 16 it is.the bridgestones aren't holding them back,but I think when the change comes the tyres will be more of a limiting factor for the factory teams than they are now
I mean the lap times will be slower

[pritch]

He has been reading what I have been saying Pritch, and I am in favour of the one make tyre supplier, it helps keep the fight more even but I do not see this happening next time around, as it is way to costly for one company to do this now.

As important as you undoubtedy are Shaun, on your own you don't justify the quote "Piss off the fucken lot of you".

Anyway I took the advice and pissed off on the bike to the Awakino pub for lunch. :drinkup:

[Shaun Harris]

As important as you undoubtedy are Shaun, on your own you don't justify the quote "Piss off the fucken lot of you".

Anyway I took the advice and pissed off on the bike to the Awakino pub for lunch. :drinkup:







Drew is the biggest wind up merchant and very full of shit on this site mate, it took me years to figure that out

[Drew]

Drew is the biggest wind up merchant and very full of shit on this site mate, it took me years to figure that out

To a point. I try and insert my opinion as I wind up grumpy people too though.

Prototype racing should encourage EVERYONE to make the best of whatever they manufacture. Then pick a team and try to best everyone else.

Single suppliers of anything go against that, and slow development as a whole.

[Drew]

Drew is the biggest wind up merchant and very full of shit on this site mate, it took me years to figure that out

You're all shit too, people were telling you for ages I was winding you up. It took years to accept it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep 16 it is.the bridgestones aren't holding them back,

What makes you say that? If that's true...how come some of the old 800cc lap records have only just been broken?

[BMWST?]

What makes you say that? If that's true...how come some of the old 800cc lap records have only just been broken?
Because the record setting 800 were on bridgestones too and more horsepower and more weight dont make a superior package?!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Because the record setting 800 were on bridgestones too and more horsepower and more weight dont make a superior package?!

Can't agree sorry. Don't for a min think these new 1000's aren't faster and superior to the 800's.

[BMWST?]

Can't agree sorry. Don't for a min think these new 1000's aren't faster and superior to the 800's.

So you sayin the tyres are holding them back?
I will agree to a point.i think that the 1000s are pushing the tyres to the limit,and within the current regime the tyrrs are the best that ANYONE could provide.
I back beleif up by betting now that given that constraints dont change too much that race lap times wont be broken by the new suppliers.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So you sayin the tyres are holding them back?
I will agree to a point.i think that the 1000s are pushing the tyres to the limit,and within the current regime the tyrrs are the best that ANYONE could provide.
I back beleif up by betting now that given that constraints dont change too much that race lap times wont be broken by the new suppliers.

I think they're certainly part of the problem Yes. Restricting fuel doesn't help either. When you have two or more brands of tyres...the competition makes each of them do their best to improve the product so as to win and then crow about it. When you have one brand simply supplying them all...what incentive is there for improvement?

[BMWST?]

I think they're certainly part of the problem Yes. Restricting fuel doesn't help either. When you have two or more brands of tyres...the competition makes each of them do their best to improve the product so as to win and then crow about it. When you have one brand simply supplying them all...what incentive is there for improvement?

Agreed,but it is cost sffective.who is going to cover the cost of two suppliers, when there was.only one?
the basic costs are easily doubled,but the opportunity to "sell" is halved
I firmly beleive that bridgestone are supplying the best tyres they can,and they are very good tyres indeed.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Agreed,but it is cost sffective.who is going to cover the cost of two suppliers, when there was.only one?
the basic costs are easily doubled,but the opportunity to "sell" is halved

The whole *cost* thing in Moto GP irks me. They make rules upon rules to make it cheaper...whilst all the time making it more expensive to compete. I mean for starters...it'd be a shitload cheaper to just throw engines at the bikes than try to make an engine so good it lasts x amount of hours for the fucking stoopid 5 engine per season rule. Also...limiting the amount of fuel carried! It costs more to get the bike to be so fuel eeficient etc etc...fuck me...this is (well was) Moto GP racing!

As Drew has said...give us (them) certain parameters to play with...but then leave them to it! The whole max bore size etc sucks fucking balls. WTF is this??? Proddie racing? That's Superbikes FFS. So goes for the electronics. The manufacturers want it...fine...hone it in Superbike racing seeing as they're the bikes you're gonna sell with it. Get it the fuck out of GP racing! Not like we haven't seen some fucking huge highsides with it is it? Rules smules...

So come Sunday...I'm going for...

MM

Rossi (a fucking master round Jerez)

Pedro

Lorenzo

[trustme]

The whole *cost* thing in Moto GP irks me. They make rules upon rules to make it cheaper...whilst all the time making it more expensive to compete. I mean for starters...it'd be a shitload cheaper to just throw engines at the bikes than try to make an engine so good it lasts x amount of hours for the fucking stoopid 5 engine per season rule. Also...limiting the amount of fuel carried! It costs more to get the bike to be so fuel eeficient etc etc...fuck me...this is (well was) Moto GP racing!

As Drew has said...give us (them) certain parameters to play with...but then leave them to it! The whole max bore size etc sucks fucking balls. WTF is this??? Proddie racing? That's Superbikes FFS. So goes for the electronics. The manufacturers want it...fine...hone it in Superbike racing seeing as they're the bikes you're gonna sell with it. Get it the fuck out of GP racing! Not like we haven't seen some fucking huge highsides with it is it? Rules smules...

So come Sunday...I'm going for...

MM

Rossi (a fucking master round Jerez)

Pedro

Lorenzo

If you opened the whole thing up it would be totally a case of cheque book racing, the biggest budget would get the best technology & the titles would go with it, think of MV/Ago in the post Honda pre 2 stroke years. I suspect motogp would soon wither & die
The purest in me agrees with you, the realist disagrees

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you opened the whole thing up it would be totally a case of cheque book racing, the biggest budget would get the best technology & the titles would go with it, think of MV/Ago in the post Honda pre 2 stroke years. I suspect motogp would soon wither & die
The purest in me agrees with you, the realist disagrees

I hear ya mate. But to a certain extent we're still seeing the biggest cheque book (HRC) winning all the time. At least in the 2 stroke era there was only so much you could do with a 500cc 4cyl engine. So I guess what I'm getting at...is can't they look to a similar formular? Make things simpler not more complex.

[BMWST?]

I hear ya mate. But to a certain extent we're still seeing the biggest cheque book (HRC) winning all the time. At least in the 2 stroke era there was only so much you could do with a 500cc 4cyl engine. So I guess what I'm getting at...is can't they look to a similar formular? Make things simpler not more complex.

But the whole idea of prototype racing is that you are pushing the limits of known technologies and developing new ones isnt it?

[merv]

I love seeing Honda make such great GP bikes and it makes me laugh seeing all the people bitching about it and wanting to make things fairer/cheaper for the other brands. As Drew says this is meant to be prototype racing.

Even in the days of Ago I reckon it was great as it gave everyone the challenge to try and beat him and it was quite cool that two Kiwis could come second to him, firstly Ginger Molloy and then Keith Turner, albeit a distant second in the championship. Ago did a few races outside GP and didn't he get beaten by John Cooper once in Pomgolia and by Bryan Hindle in Australia. It was stuff of legends.

I think it all stems back to the FIM losing touch by selling the whole damn thing to a promoter. When the FIM ran the thing themselves back in the old days all sorts of people could turn up and race. Now they even control the number of places each team is allowed as in 2 per factory team etc as its all controlled by money.

[trustme]

The 2 stroke era was no different ,you are simply seeing it through a rose tinted Hubble telescope. Two strokes went through a huge level of development, it really took off with Yamaha in the 70's. Was it any cheaper ?, in relative terms perhaps not , those motors had a very short life span. In truth only 2 1/2 factories [ sorry Suzuki ] could compete throughout that era, sounds much like the current situation

[puddytat]

Another record beckons this weekend.....4 poles & wins in a row anyone?

[merv]

The 2 stroke era was no different ,you are simply seeing it through a rose tinted Hubble telescope. Two strokes went through a huge level of development, it really took off with Yamaha in the 70's. Was it any cheaper ?, in relative terms perhaps not , those motors had a very short life span. In truth only 2 1/2 factories [ sorry Suzuki ] could compete throughout that era, sounds much like the current situation

2 3/4 lol, there was Cagiva as well.

Once Honda went 2 stroke they tried a lot of different things too. They tried the V3, then they were the only ones with a proper V4 with a single crank, then Mick had them do big bang, then screamer again and they tried fuel injection. All at a cost no doubt but I am sure they saw it as paying off in the corporate sense for development, besides always trying to play with the opposition.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But the whole idea of prototype racing is that you are pushing the limits of known technologies and developing new ones isnt it?

I'm all for that mate. Didn't mean I'm not all for a tech war. I'd just like to see things simplified somehow.


The 2 stroke era was no different ,you are simply seeing it through a rose tinted Hubble telescope. Two strokes went through a huge level of development, it really took off with Yamaha in the 70's. Was it any cheaper ?, in relative terms perhaps not , those motors had a very short life span. In truth only 2 1/2 factories [ sorry Suzuki ] could compete throughout that era, sounds much like the current situation

Yes it was mate! Very different! Tuners actually tuned (jetting, diff porting, chambers etc etc)...now they're not even allowed inside the fucking engines! And you know as well as I do running a two stroke engine is chaeper than a four stroke. Look what's happened in the moto-x world! Chucking fresh rings and pistons at the things (with a fresh crank here and there) is a whole lot cheaper than running one of these beasts I'll bet.

Now I know we can't go back to smokers...and whilst I def have rose tinted specs on regarding the old girls...I also love the new 250hp diesels. I just want to see some sort of formular like they had back in the day. I mean...don't you miss the vee five RCV? I sure do! Let them have 1000cc...as many cyls as you want...but run diff weights per amount of cyls used...limit them to 6 gears....then leave them to it! Oh...and leave out the electronic aids. That'll save some money I'm sure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Another record beckons this weekend.....4 poles & wins in a row anyone?

I sure as hell wouldn't bet against it happening.

[BMWST?]

I'm all for that mate. Didn't mean I'm not all for a tech war. I'd just like to see things simplified somehow.



Yes it was mate! Very different! Tuners actually tuned (jetting, diff porting, chambers etc etc)...now they're not even allowed inside the fucking engines! And you know as well as I do running a two stroke engine is chaeper than a four stroke. Look what's happened in the moto-x world! Chucking fresh rings and pistons at the things (with a fresh crank here and there) is a whole lot cheaper than running one of these beasts I'll bet.

Now I know we can't go back to smokers...and whilst I def have rose tinted specs on regarding the old girls...I also love the new 250hp diesels. I just want to see some sort of formular like they had back in the day. I mean...don't you miss the vee five RCV? I sure do! Let them have 1000cc...as many cyls as you want...but run diff weights per amount of cyls used...limit them to 6 gears....then leave them to it! Oh...and leave out the electronic aids. That'll save some money I'm sure.
The v3s,400cc,v4 were all responses to rules.i am with you pete,we need to have the say factory 800 which are vitually open to anything,but the rest can be say older 1000 or 990 ,smokers etc,all open slather,with some weight limits or something

[mulletman]

Another record beckons this weekend.....4 poles & wins in a row anyone?

Well he's half way there....

[Shaun Harris]

This race is gunna be fukin good to watch

[pritch]

Well MM treated qualifying a bit different this time. He has been in the habit of going out fast, this time he took pole from Jorge with his final lap.

Was listening to the MotoPod podcast this morning. They were toying with the idea that Dorna might make it worth Rossi's while to move to WSB. Assen had good attendances, but some other venues have falling crowd numbers. The thought was that WSB needs an injection of interest. A couple more fourth places and Rossi might agree?

[Crasherfromwayback]

They were toying with the idea that Dorna might make it worth Rossi's while to move to WSB. Assen had good attendances, but some other venues have falling crowd numbers. The thought was that WSB needs an injection of interest. A couple more fourth places and Rossi might agree?

Personally I think it'd be a shame to see. Like being put out to pasture. He's too much of a GP legend for that I reckon.

Meantime... http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/May/140503rydernotes.htm

Could be in for a closer race this week?

[Crasherfromwayback]

So come Sunday...I'm going for...

MM

Rossi (a fucking master round Jerez)

Pedro

Lorenzo

So what do I win for that?

[Shaun Harris]

Way to many Largers and a great nanner nap, gusess I will see the race next weekend then haha

[DidJit]

So what do I win for that?

:first:

Hope you put that same punt in at the TAB...

[roogazza]

So what do I win for that?
Gets the old ticker going,those first two laps.
Bradley'julian ryder'Smith in his rightful place ? :lol:

[Drew]

I don't like to sound like a fan boy, but it seems Rossi still has the ability to dominate the pack...except for Marquez. The little guy really is the next, well, Rossi.

Stoner had the goods to beat a lot of the records, but he wouldn't have had the time I don't think. Marquez would have shown up during Stoner's reign and spoiled it methinks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't like to sound like a fan boy, but it seems Rossi still has the ability to dominate the pack...except for Marquez. The little guy really is the next, well, Rossi.

Stoner had the goods to beat a lot of the records, but he wouldn't have had the time I don't think. Marquez would have shown up during Stoner's reign and spoiled it methinks.

Rossi's always been a Jerez weapon...but I do agree he's having a great season. Tis good to see. Yep. I think if Stoner was even thinking about a comeback seeing MM wipe the floor with everyone would put a stop to those thoughts. Pity we'll never see though.

[Drew]

Rossi's always been a Jerez weapon...but I do agree he's having a great season. Tis good to see. Yep. I think if Stoner was even thinking about a comeback seeing MM wipe the floor with everyone would put a stop to those thoughts. Pity we'll never see though.

I'm disappointed that Dani is having such a great start to his season for once, and doesn't stand a chance this year either.

He would be a great choice for Suzuki next year, since I predict Honda will try and get Jorge on their second bike.

Yes, a shame for the punters that Stoner buggered off.

[pritch]

So what do I win for that?

I don't know how you came up with that prediction, you must have been tripping? That result was almost truth is stranger than fiction stuff. We may have to delay Rossi's departure to WSB.:whistle:

Might watch the first few laps again later...

[Mental Trousers]

I'm disappointed that Dani is having such a great start to his season for once, and doesn't stand a chance this year either.

He's riding better than he ever has done, it's great to see. Shame he didn't win it last year though cos that was the only chance anyone will have to win the title for the next 5 years :(


Yes, a shame for the punters that Stoner buggered off.

When Marquez turned up I reckon Stoner would've upped his game and the next couple of years everyone else would've been riding for 3rd place.

[Bender]

Much as liked to watch Stoner race, I doubt he had the goods to beat Marquez. When he needed to, MM was able to lap half a second faster than the best of the rest (which in this case was Rossi) - I don't see Stoner doing that.

It's going to take a long while before someone comes up with the goods to beat this fella, maybe until he retires. It really is: MM first, now who is next...

He was so smooth and devastatingly fast at Jerez it was bloody breathtaking. Poor old Horhay was well off the pace.

[denill]

Once there were four aliens. Now there is one. :rolleyes:

[p.dath]

Much as liked to watch Stoner race, I doubt he had the goods to beat Marquez. When he needed to, MM was able to lap half a second faster than the best of the rest (which in this case was Rossi) - I don't see Stoner doing that.

MM seems to have developed into a class of his own. No one seems to be able to touch him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Much as liked to watch Stoner race, I doubt he had the goods to beat Marquez. When he needed to, MM was able to lap half a second faster than the best of the rest (which in this case was Rossi) - I don't see Stoner doing that.
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Yeah I very much doubt anyone in the sport of road racing has an answer for that cat right now.

[tbs]

I'm disappointed that Dani is having such a great start to his season for once, and doesn't stand a chance this year either.

He would be a great choice for Suzuki next year, since I predict Honda will try and get Jorge on their second bike.

Yes, a shame for the punters that Stoner buggered off.

I don't think Honda will have to try too hard. I reckon Jorge will leap at the chance to get on the same kit as Marc.

Predictions for Rossi's team mate next year? Aleix maybe?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Predictions for Rossi's team mate next year? Aleix maybe?

Pedrosa...

[eelracing]

If Jorge doesn't start sorting his shit out I wouldn't rule out Honda rehiring Rossi...:eek:

[Drew]

Much as liked to watch Stoner race, I doubt he had the goods to beat Marquez. When he needed to, MM was able to lap half a second faster than the best of the rest (which in this case was Rossi) - I don't see Stoner doing that.

It's going to take a long while before someone comes up with the goods to beat this fella, maybe until he retires. It really is: MM first, now who is next...

He was so smooth and devastatingly fast at Jerez it was bloody breathtaking. Poor old Horhay was well off the pace.

I dunno about 'a long while'. I remember being bored with the way Rossi used to check out every other race. Wondering when he would retire because no one had an answer for him.

But Jorge turned up and could see what the bikes were capable of, so that's how fast he went. Then Stoner who used superior power and down right animal style beat them both.

Stoner on the Honda inspired Marquez I think.

So, give it three seasons of the current crop to start catching hi., and some other little creak will turn up and just beat Marquez like it aint no thang.

[Urano]

Predictions for Rossi's team mate next year? Aleix maybe?

i actually think that if the season will be somehow dignified (i mean being on the podium one every two/three gp at least) this could be his last...

[Drew]

i actually think that if the season will be somehow dignified (i mean being on the podium one every two/three gp at least) this could be his last...

You might be right, but I think it's too early to say. He's shown he still has the desire and mongrel in him to push and fight for top spots.

So long as he's beating the rest of the old bunch, or able to do so at least, he'll be high on anyone running a team's list of riders.

[Shaun Harris]

top spots.

So long as he's beating the rest of the old bunch, or able to do so at least, he'll be high on anyone running a team's list of riders.













fuk me, you are being sensible

[pritch]

Predictions for Rossi's team mate next year?

Rossi is supposed to be making an announcement at Misano (oops make that Mugello), the next four tracks are strong tracks for him but there is only one more race before then.

If JL did go to Honda and couldn't match Marquez, there would be nowhere to hide,

At the start of this season Pol Espagaro was the most likely Yamaha factory replacement option but his brother or Smith could edge him, depending on results.

Yamaha might be missing Furusawa San?

[Shaun Harris]

Rossi is supposed to be making an announcement at Misano, the next four tracks are strong tracks for him but there is only one more race before then.

If JL did go to Honda and couldn't match Marquez, there would be nowhere to hide,

At the start of this season Pol Espagaro was the most likely Yamaha factory replacement option but his brother or Smith could edge him, depending on results.

Yamaha might be missing Furusawa San?







he an;t going no where man, he loves the game to much. Have you had an invite to his wedding out here yet

[Mental Trousers]

There's no reason for Honda to hire Jorge instead of Dani as Dani is doing his job to the letter - getting between his team mate and the opposition, taking placings and points off them to create a buffer. If Marquez DNF's then he's there to pick up the win and stop the opposition from getting that extra 5 points. He's exactly the right person to be on the second HRC Factory bike.

Bradl is doing ok, although Honda would really like him in third spot making the buffer to the other makes even larger. Bautista really is looking at losing his seat this year, even though everyone has been saying that for the past couple.

[Bender]

There's no reason for Honda to hire Jorge instead of Dani as Dani is doing his job to the letter - getting between his team mate and the opposition, taking placings and points off them to create a buffer. If Marquez DNF's then he's there to pick up the win and stop the opposition from getting that extra 5 points. He's exactly the right person to be on the second HRC Factory bike.


Spot on. Dani is riding really well and is very strong in the latter part of the races. Another 2 laps and he would have been able to try to pass Rossi like he did with Horhay in Argentina. That would have been interesting - he just needs to get moving a few laps earlier. Must be something to do with tyres.

[discotex]

Stoner on the Honda inspired Marquez I think.


Definitely.. Stoner jumped on that Honda, and dominated the championship in 2011 (12 poles and 10 wins I believe). I don't recall anyone doing anything similar in the 4 stroke era - other than Stoner in 2007. Rossi has made 11 wins in a season but not with the pole positions.

Had he been on a decent bike between 2007 and 2011 I'm sure Stoner would have another couple of tiles on that trophy. Marquez has inherited both the bike and style (and has similar level of raw speed) so it's hardly surprising he's performing like this.

(disclaimer: I'm not particularly a Stoner or Marquez fan but would be epic to have seen them battling each other)

[Crasherfromwayback]

(disclaimer: I'm not particularly a Stoner or Marquez fan but would be epic to have seen them battling each other)

Wonder if they ever turn up at an HRC test session together so we can compare times.

[malcy25]

You might be right, but I think it's too early to say. He's shown he still has the desire and mongrel in him to push and fight for top spots.

So long as he's beating the rest of the old bunch, or able to do so at least, he'll be high on anyone running a team's list of riders.

Sure did like he was enjoying serving the young boys up for the first couple of laps on Sunday night! :laugh:

[Bender]

Sure did like he was enjoying serving the young boys up for the first couple of laps on Sunday night! :laugh:

Wonder what the atmosphere was like in the Yamaha garage on Sunday night?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wonder what the atmosphere was like in the Yamaha garage on Sunday night?

dour. very dour.

I can imagine Marquez and Lorenzo together next year. Pit wall. info blackout. dirty looks. It'll be fun.

[bogan]

While it is great to see the young fella breaking all the records...

Can we get someone to fuck with his ECU so we get a more interesting race?

[HenryDorsetCase]

While it is great to see the young fella breaking all the records...

Can we get someone to fuck with his ECU so we get a more interesting race?

Dorna will be right on that dont you worry.

I hate all that artificial control stuff. The best rider on the best package should win. none of this crap like V8 "super"cars oh well you've won too many in a row here have a weight penalty. If one manufacturer has the best package in a season their rider SHOULD win every race and set every pole. The others just have to try harder to catch up. Don't nobble the front runner because they are better than everyone else. That isnt racing its bloody figure skating. or worse, "Drifting" which is not motorsport.

[bogan]

Dorna will be right on that dont you worry.

I hate all that artificial control stuff. The best rider on the best package should win. none of this crap like V8 "super"cars oh well you've won too many in a row here have a weight penalty. If one manufacturer has the best package in a season their rider SHOULD win every race and set every pole. The others just have to try harder to catch up. Don't nobble the front runner because they are better than everyone else. That isnt racing its bloody figure skating. or worse, "Drifting" which is not motorsport.

Yeh fully agree, just seems atm we've got the worst of both worlds, one joker canning them all so not much of a points race, and control gear all up the wazoo so no tech race either.

[Kendog]

While it is great to see the young fella breaking all the records...

Can we get someone to fuck with his ECU so we get a more interesting race?
I would prefer to start him from the back of the grid. Remember his last Moto2 race?

[vifferman]

Also...limiting the amount of fuel carried! It costs more to get the bike to be so fuel eeficient etc etc...fuck me...this is (well was) Moto GP racing!
I reckon! What does fuel-efficiency have to do with racing?:blink:

[discotex]

I would prefer to start him from the back of the grid. Remember his last Moto2 race?

Remember Pedrosa in the MotoGP race!

[pritch]

I reckon! What does fuel-efficiency have to do with racing?:blink:

And so say all of us. Well, most of us anyway.

[ecko_nzed]

Yeah all those rules and control this and that ain't racing. I mean just look at Moto2 & 3 :rolleyes:

[motobob]

If the factories just leased or sold on last years factory bikes then there would be no need for all the rules to attempts to even up the field. Seems crazy to me that a factory like Honda produces a "production racer" based on last years factory bike but is a lot slower.

Great to see the Old Master fighting back for the podium.

MM's early domination has not yet reached the level that Mick Doohan reached.

Who thinks that Scott Redding should have stayed in Moto2 now that the Marc VDS bikes have improved over last year. If he stayed and won the 2014 Championship then he would be in line to take Dani's place for 2015.

[pritch]

Who thinks that Scott Redding should have stayed in Moto2 now that the Marc VDS bikes have improved over last year. If he stayed and won the 2014 Championship then he would be in line to take Dani's place for 2015.

I think Redding's deal is: year one production bike, year two factory bike. Maybe not a Repsol bike though.
Dorna didn't want two Spanish riders in the Repsol team, Repsol did. Guess what?

Redding could get Bautista's ride, but that'd be something of a hospital pass the way things are.

[motobob]

So if Stoner had not retired where would he be? OTOH is this the reason he retired. Australians have provided Honda with many Championships since Gardner.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So if Stoner had not retired where would he be? OTOH is this the reason he retired. .

Sulking at the back of the pits playing with his remote controlled car,

[pritch]

So if Stoner had not retired where would he be?

He'd be wondering where Marquez went, the same as everybody else is. Things have moved on.

This from David Emmett's Motomatters:

"The measure of just how complete Marquez' domination of MotoGP is can be seen in the lap charts. Even on the laps where Marquez was four or five tenths quicker than the men behind, he was still losing time in the second sector, which runs from halfway between turns 4 and 5, and the speed trap along the back straight. There is only one corner there, yet he was still managing to give between one and two tenths of a second there. The problem, Marquez said in the press conference, was on the entry to the corner. He could feel the bike pushing too much, and didn't feel safe going in at the speed he wanted. So he was almost stopping the bike, then getting it stood up and sliding over the kerbstones seeking extra grip from the rough painted section.

To fans, and even educated followers like myself, it seems entirely illogical to be looking for grip on the kerbstones, so I asked him to elucidate during the press conference. Could he explain to us mere mortals, as it didn't seem to make sense? Sitting beside him, Dani Pedrosa piped up with 'Yes, for us also!' "

In his Backmarker blog this morning Mark Gardiner suggests that Hayden will retire before the end of the season. That'd be a sad end to his career.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He'd be wondering where Marquez went, the same as everybody else is. Things have moved on.

.

Hard to imagine any other outcome.

[roogazza]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/May/140606pedro.htm

In his Backmarker blog this morning Mark Gardiner suggests that Hayden will retire before the end of the season. That'd be a sad end to his career.


Not the winningest of careers pritch, but the writings on the wall with the younger guys coming up.

[pritch]

but the writings on the wall with the younger guys coming up.

That, an uncompetitive bike, and a recurring wrist problem that now requires surgery again.

I wasn't a Hayden fan, but I felt his gentlemanly behaviour while the Repsol team was completely dominated by the Machiavelian machinations of Puig to the advantage of Pedrosa, even though Hayden was champion at the time, showed him in a new light. (And despite all of which Pedrosa failed to deliver.)

Was reminded of this late last year when Kiwi Pete Benson, Hayden's crew chief back when Hayden won his title, was asked why he would not accompany Redding to MotoGP as the rider wished, and he replied to the effect that his previous experience with Honda was distinctly unpleasant and he had no wish to repeat it.

[roogazza]

That, an uncompetitive bike, and a recurring wrist problem that now requires surgery again.

I wasn't a Hayden fan, but I felt his gentlemanly behaviour while the Repsol team was completely dominated by the Machiavelian machinations of Puig to the advantage of Pedrosa, even though Hayden was champion at the time, showed him in a new light. (And despite all of which Pedrosa failed to deliver.)

I suppose Pedrosa would swap a few wins for a Title, Hayden can say he got one, huh.:woohoo:

[HenryDorsetCase]

So if Stoner had not retired where would he be? OTOH is this the reason he retired. Australians have provided Honda with many Championships since Gardner.

Doohan & Stoner.

Who else?

[Shaun Harris]

Doohan & Stoner.

Who else?






Gardener, even though he is a wanker

[Bender]

Hayden conducted himself with class during the Ducati years, not that it got him anywhere.

It looks like his replacement, Cal Crutchlow, is heading down the Ben Spies route. Surely he must have known the bike was uncompetitive. It was clear to us keyboard warriors so it must have been clear to him.

Maybe the millions of dollars in salary still isn't enough - it was a really bad look the way he was belting the tank as he withdrew from the race. I understand that it must be frustrating for him but there's no need to act like at wanker. Can't see it getting him anywhere, just puts his crew on edge and if there is one constant positive for the Ducati team, it's that they work really hard. Every rider has said that so far.

These are the things that will amuse us this year. There's no excitement left in trying to guess who is going to win.

[Kiwi Graham]

So Crutchlow on the factory Yamaha that HorHay leaves to ride the Honda.......has silly season started yet?

[pritch]

It looks like his replacement, Cal Crutchlow, is heading down the Ben Spies route. Surely he must have known the bike was uncompetitive. It was clear to us keyboard warriors so it must have been clear to him.



But it would have also been made clear to him that Gigi Daligna was taking over the racing effort and that a new bike would be forthcoming. Eventually. It has been reported that Daligna was gathering data for the first several races bfore starting work on the design of a new bike.

As for Crutchlow's fit of pique, he had spent two weeks doing everything possible to heal his hand before the race, including spending hours in a hyperbaric chamber, and he was riding with some discomfort if not pain. All this for the bike to fail. Only a saint wouldn't be pissed off.

[Shaun Harris]

So Crutchlow on the factory Yamaha that HorHay leaves to ride the Honda.......has silly season started yet?








Nah mate, CC is going to Suzuki, they need another win or crash rider

[Drew]

Nah mate, CC is going to Suzuki, they need another win or crash rider

Be a shit ton more crashing than winning, if Cruchlow was on it. The tech 3 bike he rode was better than he made it out to be I reckon.

[Shaun Harris]

Be a shit ton more crashing than winning, if Cruchlow was on it. The tech 3 bike he rode was better than he made it out to be I reckon.








maybe but be great to see when it is on 2 wheels and ridden hard

[Drew]

maybe but be great to see when it is on 2 wheels and ridden hard

If Depunnet is getting the bike close to current lap times, I doubt the bike will respond to an aggressive style.

[tbs]

Looks like Gardiner's comments on Hayden have been taken down. I wonder why.

[eelracing]

These are the things that will amuse us this year. There's no excitement left in trying to guess who is going to win.


If the old dog Rossi can rough the young pup up for a bit longer in a race that will be worth the price of admission itself.
If Lorenzo can work his way out of the current slump he's in (and you know he's got the goods)then thats worth waiting for.
If Pedrosa can ride around collecting points all day he may one day win a championship.This years as good as any.
If Marquez can win two Championships in a row then he truly can be called one of the greats.We havn't seen it since ages ago.

Have faith Bender...that and sheer bloody-mindedness will see you through.

[Bender]

If the old dog Rossi can rough the young pup up for a bit longer in a race that will be worth the price of admission itself.
If Lorenzo can work his way out of the current slump he's in (and you know he's got the goods)then thats worth waiting for.
If Pedrosa can ride around collecting points all day he may one day win a championship.This years as good as any.
If Marquez can win two Championships in a row then he truly can be called one of the greats.We havn't seen it since ages ago.

Have faith Bender...that and sheer bloody-mindedness will see you through.

Your thoughts are truly sustaining at this difficult time. 'specially about Pedrosa - he's been robbed a couple of times and deserves a championship. He is good enough.

[Drew]

Your thoughts are truly sustaining at this difficult time. 'specially about Pedrosa - he's been robbed a couple of times and deserves a championship. He is good enough.

Nope. He WAS good enough. The bar has been raised and he has missed the boat.

[Mental Trousers]

Nope. He WAS good enough. The bar has been raised and he has missed the boat.

He's better now. The way he's riding these days he really does deserve to win a championship. Unfortunately, his timing is farken terrible. While Marquez is able to swing a leg over Dani isn't going to win one. He's like Randy Mamola with hair - got the goods but never quite gets there.

[pritch]

http://motomatters.com/news/2014/05/07/loris_capirossi_on_new_tire_supplier_int.html

[merv]

I don't see Crutchlow ever getting another factory ride.

The team bosses will be looking for the new fast young breed who perform better on the track than they do telling people how good they are.

Crutchlow never had the image either, always looks too rough and unkempt - not the sponsors dream.

Ryder sums it up here http://superbikeplanet.com/2014/May/140507rydernotes.htm

[Reckless]

Thanks merv

The double world Superbike champ reckons Marc is now saving front-wheel crashes off his elbow and rear-wheel slides off his knee slider.

Imagine that "Oh there goes the front I'll just go round the corner on my elbow and the Back"

Jeepers certainly is another level :blink:

[Mental Trousers]

I think it'll turn into the same situation concerning getting the knee down from the days of Barry Sheene vs Kenny Roberts. Eventually everyone (who is capable) is going to be doing it because it makes pushing the front harder and saving it possible. This is one thing that's definitely going to separate the racing gods from the rest of us.

[Crasherfromwayback]

This is one thing that's definitely going to separate the racing gods from the rest of us.

Even the tail enders are well diff from the rest of *us* mate.

[pritch]

Crutchlow never had the image either, always looks too rough and unkempt - not the sponsors dream.


Funny that some fans dislike him, he's very popular with other riders and the media people. He's reportedly a very funny and intelligent guy.
Rossi said he would like to have CC as a team mate, although that would probably change if CC started beating him.
I will concede, however, that Crutchlow is unlikely to receive sponsorship from Gillette.


If y'all aren't too tyred:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/round-black-and/

[Drew]

Even the tail enders are well diff from the rest of *us* mate.
Yip, doubt I would come anywhere near qualifying for the race.

[Mental Trousers]

Even the tail enders are well diff from the rest of *us* mate.

One more thing haha

[Bender]

I'm looking forward to what's going to happen during the last few minutes of qualifying from now on.

Everyone will be doing the No.1 bike/No.2 bike swaps to maintain fresh rubber for longer and set faster and faster qualifying positions.

It'll be white hot.

[Reckless]

I think it'll turn into the same situation concerning getting the knee down from the days of Barry Sheene vs Kenny Roberts. Eventually everyone (who is capable) is going to be doing it because it makes pushing the front harder and saving it possible. This is one thing that's definitely going to separate the racing gods from the rest of us.

Quite right!
But at least in those days we could dream we could go around a corner like them. Now we gotta dream, we loose it, then save it, and don't Crash it :shit:

[Mental Trousers]

Changing the tyre supplier may well be the thing that puts a halt to Marquez winning everything in sight. He's able to ride the way he does because he's figured out things with the tyres that nobody else has, including Bridgestone. So, change to a completely different manufacturer with a completely different philosophy on how a tyre should be made and he's not going to be able to ride the same way.

Same boat for everyone of course, but riders always have brands they are better on than others. It'll be interesting.

[speights_bud]

A #93 for thread Page 93...

http://i.imgur.com/F5o512K.jpg

[imdying]

This is not page 93 for everyone, for the informed it is only page 35.

[BMWST?]

There's no reason for Honda to hire Jorge instead of Dani as Dani is doing his job to the letter - getting between his team mate and the opposition, taking placings and points off them to create a buffer. If Marquez DNF's then he's there to pick up the win and stop the opposition from getting that extra 5 points. He's exactly the right person to be on the second HRC Factory bike.

Bradl is doing ok, although Honda would really like him in third spot making the buffer to the other makes even larger. Bautista really is looking at losing his seat this year, even though everyone has been saying that for the past couple.

I dont know that Honda expect bradl to be any higher than 5th.Obviously they would LIKE him to be third,and Bautista to be 4th.Maybe expectations for Bautista are actually about 7th,ie around the satellite bikes,dont forget he is nissin/showa,not brembo/Ohlins

[Dave-]

This is not page 93 for everyone, for the informed it is only page 35.

CAL CRUTCHHLOW FOR PAGE 35!

http://photos.motogp.com/2014/05/02/35crutchlow,gpjerez_ds-_s1d5262_slideshow_169.jpg

[pritch]

The boy is training at Alcarras. He will need sliders on the side of his tank soon...

[pritch]

Paddock Chatter is quite busy on Twitter but until last night I was unaware there was a website.
http://www.paddockchatter.com

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think it'll turn into the same situation concerning getting the knee down from the days of Barry Sheene vs Kenny Roberts. Eventually everyone (who is capable) is going to be doing it because it makes pushing the front harder and saving it possible. This is one thing that's definitely going to separate the racing gods from the rest of us.

There's a great photo somewhere of one of the first guys to get knee down and the leathers have a big blob of something duct taped to them and the caption is "look how crazy this shit is" or something. I thought it might be my hero Freddie Spencer but I think it predates that. Not King Ken though either.

[HenryDorsetCase]

CAL CRUTCHHLOW FOR PAGE 35!



He wouldn't have won too many brownie points with his display at the weekend, no matter how (if) his frustration was justified.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/05/06/first-year-ducati-factory-rider-cal-crutchlow-says-its-a-complete-disaster/?cmpid=enews050814&spPodID=020&spMailingID=20720855&spUserID=NzM4NjMwMzM5NjkS1&spJobID=320484858&spReportId=MzIwNDg0ODU4S0

[Shaun Harris]

He wouldn't have won too many brownie points with his display at the weekend, no matter how (if) his frustration was justified.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/05/06/first-year-ducati-factory-rider-cal-crutchlow-says-its-a-complete-disaster/?cmpid=enews050814&spPodID=020&spMailingID=20720855&spUserID=NzM4NjMwMzM5NjkS1&spJobID=320484858&spReportId=MzIwNDg0ODU4S0










I love his real world no bullshit PC Talk

[HenryDorsetCase]

I love his real world no bullshit PC Talk

His sponsors and his employers less so, one imagines.

[Reckless]

He wouldn't have won too many brownie points with his display at the weekend, no matter how (if) his frustration was justified.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/05/06/first-year-ducati-factory-rider-cal-crutchlow-says-its-a-complete-disaster/?cmpid=enews050814&spPodID=020&spMailingID=20720855&spUserID=NzM4NjMwMzM5NjkS1&spJobID=320484858&spReportId=MzIwNDg0ODU4S0


I like his no bullshit approach to :)
But looks like there a massive gap between what they promised him to come to Ducati and what s being delivered at a guess??

Mind you we where all saying this would happen dunno why he expected any different??

[Shaun Harris]

I like his no bullshit approach to :)
But looks like there a massive gap between what they promised him to come to Ducati and what s being delivered at a guess??

Mind you we where all saying this would happen dunno why he expected any different??










The difference is we are only Guessing about his contract details and he was at the table discussing it face to face when dotted line was signed! I really just want him on a Suzuki, dont give a fek what others say, when he stays on it she will be up there and that would be so cool to have another brand back in there an at it at the front on accasions

[Reckless]

The difference is we are only Guessing about his contract details and he was at the table discussing it face to face when dotted line was signed! I really just want him on a Suzuki, dont give a fek what others say, when he stays on it she will be up there and that would be so cool to have another brand back in there an at it at the front on accasions

Agreed! Wouldn't be a bad choice for the Suzuki. They'll need an experianced head for the first season at least? or Rossi???

There's plenty of talented up comers to Bradly Smith, Pol Espargro or Scott Reading?? Unless they try for a new bread Hotshot??
Randy Might do it??

Google can"t find if they are one bike or two??

He talks about Riders and Rider in this April 16th vid??

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/a_VnCZvET64" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[pritch]

Agreed! Wouldn't be a bad choice for the Suzuki. They'll need an experianced head for the first season at least? or Rossi???


Don't know where I saw it but Dovi is reportedly in the frame to go to Suzuki. He has had two years on the Duc and his contract will need renewing.

Crutchlow has an escape clause, if at years end there is no improvement he can jump ship. I'm kinda hoping Dall'lgna will have decided what needs doing and have worked out how to do it by then.

I saw mention a while back from one of the pundits: Oxley or Cameron(?), that Ducati have to move the gearbox. Us lot on KB were pretty much in agreement with that last year, but the big question is how would they go about that? Maybe Ducati should take a sneaky peek at an RC213V, they've got a 90 degree V and Honda managed to get the drive sprocket in the right place. Then again the Aprilia doesn't have the same problem as the Duc and Dall'lgna definitely knows all about those. But whatever the solution, I hope it happens soon.

[pritch]

Wake up you guys, the paddock is enroute to LeMans.

Ducati have been testing at Mugello, that first pic of Crutchlow's bike with the new air scoop on the fork would tend to indicate that the factory have actually started listening to the riders.
http://motomatters.com/news/2014/05/12/dovizioso_and_crutchlow_complete_one_day.html

Was listening to the MotoPod podcast and in addition to the rumour that has Divizioso moving to Suzuki, thay had another hot whisper whereby Bradl would lose his ride to Mavarick Vinales at the end of the season. That would be unfortunate, I'da thunk Bautista was more a likely candidate to lose his ride, but I hope he can get his act together in time too.

[Reckless]

First Rider to Sign a new contract!! What about Pedro???

Honda Racing Corporation renew with Marc Marquez until end of 2016
Wednesday, 14 May 2014
Honda Racing Corporation is pleased to announce the renewal of the contract with 2013 World Champion, Marc Marquez, for a further two years.
The young Spaniard took the MotoGP world by storm winning the Championship in his rookie season last year. It was a priority for HRC to re-sign the young sensation who has won every race so far this season – all from pole position.

Since joining the Factory outfit – the Repsol Honda Team – Marquez has finished on the podium in all but two of his twenty-two MotoGP races. He’s taken ten victories, six second’s and four third’s. He’s also accumulated thirteen pole positions in the premier class.

He arrives at this weekend’s French GP leading the Rider’s Championship by 28 points after just four rounds.

Shuhei Nakamoto – HRC Executive Vice President:
"We are very satisfied to have reached an agreement to keep Marc in the team for a further two seasons. Of course as Honda we wanted to keep Marc in our family and he also wanted to stay with us so it was natural to renew the contract even if it is very early in the season! He is enjoying a fantastic start to 2014 and even though he is still learning, his ability to absorb information and adapt to the machine is remarkable."

Marc Marquez:
"I am very happy to announce my renewal with HRC. I had always dreamt about being part of the Repsol Honda Team, and thanks to Honda the dream came true a year and a half ago. Everything happened very quickly last season, and I would have never imagined that I could achieve what we did. Becoming World Champion during my first season was another dream which became reality. It is a great honour to be a part of the Honda family and I’m glad to remain with this special group of people for another two seasons."

[Crasherfromwayback]

See if I can get the top four right again this week eh?

MM

Lorenzo

Pedro

Rossi

[Bender]

See if I can get the top four right again this week eh?

MM

Lorenzo

Pedro

Rossi

No no no no no.

MM
Pedro
Rossi
Lorenzo if he doesn't crash, otherwise Espargaro A (if he doesn't crash again.)

Interesting how Yamaha have developed the bike to suit Rossi and Horhay can't ride it...

[ecko_nzed]

Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Rossi
Bautista

Marquez to bin it or run off

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Rossi
Bautista

Marquez to bin it or run off

No podium for CC?

[ecko_nzed]

No podium for CC?

If it rains, maybe

[Crasherfromwayback]

If it rains, maybe

As good a chance at this GP as any mate.

[pritch]

Not what I want to see but...

MM
DP
JL
VR

Apparently LeMans has tight corners and short straights, the surface can be slippery, and the temperature will be down a bit.
Rossi and JL have won three each in the big class, Pedro won the last one (wet ), and he holds the lap record.

What all that means, if anything, we'll know Monday.

[Shaun Harris]

MM and JL to crash

VR to win

[Drew]

MM and JL to crash

VR to win
You said you were off the drugs!

[pritch]

MM and JL to crash

VR to win

Yeah, I'd love to see a VR win but I wasn't brave enough to pick that.

[Shaun Harris]

You said you were off the drugs!







Prescription ones -

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah, I'd love to see a VR win but I wasn't brave enough to pick that.










He is ready to again

[Reckless]

Rossi is really positive after reading this.

Rossi Le Mans preview
Wednesday, 14 May 2014
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP’s Valentino Rossi heads to Le Mans with spirits high, following a good performance and race in Jerez and with a new chassis incorporated into his YZR-M1 package.
Rossi is keen to put last year’s difficult race at the French circuit behind him, after finishing the 2013 contest in 12th place.

The Italian has had nine podium finishes in the premier class at Le Mans, including three victories. Indeed those wins each came on different machinery - in 2002 riding a Honda, 2005 riding the 990cc Yamaha and in 2008 on Yamaha’s 800cc bike.

Rossi will be looking to make best use of his current prototype and the new chassis for the hard braking areas of the layout and to return to the podium at the classic French track.

Before round five he stated, “I am very happy about the weekend in Jerez, unfortunately I wasn’t able to win over (Marc) Marquez but I managed to win over (Dani) Pedrosa and Jorge (Lorenzo). I am also happy about the test done on the following Monday at the same track. During the test I continued to work on the new chassis and I like it, it helps me especially with the front tyre.”

“At Le Mans I will have only one new chassis but I am confident that Yamaha will bring me the second chassis as soon as possible. I want to continue the work on this. I made good times during the test, even the "time attack" was good and so I will try to start from the front row at Le Mans. It’s a positive moment for me because I'm pretty fast, I work well in the box and I think we can be very optimistic. We can have a good race.”


Lets take a risk and say

VR
MM
DP
JL

Prob first two names reversed truth be known??
Actually my order of skill and ability at this time of the season would be MM, VR, DP, JL.

[pritch]

Lets take a risk and say

VR
MM
DP
JL



Whatever it is it must be contagious. I just hope Rossi catches it too...

[Reckless]

Whatever it is it must be contagious. I just hope Rossi catches it too...


Everyone here knows I'm a Rossi fan but I dunno if the bloody kid can be beaten.
He seems to have a sixth sense and just doesn't fall off or even look like it??

BTW:Talk about roll reversal (compared to last time) in the Yamaha Garage LOL.

We could well be witnessing the first rider in history to win all MotoGP races in a season (unless he does fall off).
Not wishing it one him by any-means he seems to have become a gracious winner that has fun and geniuine respect for the likes of Rossi even after bashing plastics.
JL and MM dont seem to interact very much and DP always seems so sullen ( maybe Shy??) after the races.
Quite frankly he's showing so much superior skill atm I don't really mind if he runs away with it.

Now I've Jinxed him roll on the race!!

[GD66]

We could well be witnessing the first rider in history to win all MotoGP races in a season



Well yeah, but Surtees won all the 500 rounds in 1959, Ago won them all in '68 (and all the 350 rounds the same year)...so "kind of" In History...

[Shaun Harris]

Well yeah, but Surtees won all the 500 rounds in 1959, Ago won them all in '68 (and all the 350 rounds the same year)...so "kind of" In History...








Yea but without the = ness of the bikes as in todays racing

[pritch]

Well yeah, but Surtees won all the 500 rounds in 1959, Ago won them all in '68 (and all the 350 rounds the same year)...so "kind of" In History...

Surtees would have won them all in '59 and John Hartle, his team mate, would have been second. They had the only two factory MV fours, everyone else was on Brit singles.

They still had their challenges, the IoM Senior TT that year was run in "beyond question the worst conditions on record". Storm force winds and torrential rain. Of the 58 starters only 22 finished. They didn't cancel in those days but they did postpone races, Friday's Senior had been postponed to Saturday. Interestingly Surtees and Hartle got up early and went around the course in a car before the start to check the state of the course and see where they would need to adjust their lines.

Please pardon my little nostalgia trip. That's from an item in the first "Motorcycle" mag I ever bought.

[Crasherfromwayback]

and DP always seems so sullen ( maybe Shy??) after the races.
!!

Danni looks to me...this year...the happiest I've ever seen him despite getting his arse whipped.

[Shaun Harris]

Danni looks to me...this year...the happiest I've ever seen him despite getting his arse whipped.








Same too me man

[Crasherfromwayback]

Same too me man

Yeah. Smiling and laughing on the rostrum taking selfies with MM and Dovi etc etc

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah. Smiling and laughing on the rostrum taking selfies with MM and Dovi etc etc






I am thinking it is due to him himself realising that he will not WIN the champs so may as well enjoy as much as possible, as well as the old team manager PUIG gone

[Crasherfromwayback]

, as well as the old team manager PUIG gone

Yeah Pritch mentioned that to me in the rep area too. Think you could both be right. Pressure off.

[Reckless]

Just watched this

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2014/Monster+Energy+Grand+Prix+de+France+Preevent+Press +Conference

Sorry?? Cant find it on Utube if your not registered for MotoGP??

Rossi says he is "appy" with his season and is staying in Moto GP :)
He wants to talk to Yamaha over the next few weeks to renew his contract for another 2 years.

They gave MM some question about his new salary compared to Rossi's record salary which both riders avoided.
MM saying he didn't have a clue what the record number was. Rossi saying he's not getting now what he did then LOL.

They quizzed MM on who might be his next team mate and would he mind if it was JL?
Not sure if he found it difficult but said he doesn't really care who his teammate will be.
A bit odd that Pedro's name wasnt mentioned through the entire discussion on the topic.
Lorenzo says no contract negotiations yet its still early in the season.

Pol says hes still on a learning curve and happy to stay with Monster Yamaha.

Pity Pedro wasn't there to find out his arm was? there was small discussion about arm pump at the end.

That's about it in Summary for all those that arn't wired up with the Video pass.
Cheers guys :)

[steveyb]

Wouldn't it be kinda neat if Issac Vinales wins the Moto3 champs this season?
He is doing really well even if down in 7th. Might be a bit far behind already though.

[steveyb]

Hafiq Azmi The Baby Hulk P10 after FP1.
It is only FP1, but P10 is awesome anyway.

[Reckless]

MM fastest again, But they are close!!

MotoGP: FP1 - Le Mans -
MARQUEZ M.Honda1:34.328
PEDROSA D.Honda+0.189
ROSSI V.Yamaha+0.253
LORENZO J.Yamaha+0.270
BAUTISTA A.Honda+0.325
BRADL S.Honda+0.406
DOVIZIOSO A.Ducati+0.547
ESPARGARO P.Yamaha+0.601
IANNONE A.Ducati+0.605
ESPARGARO A.Forward Yamaha+0.745
SMITH B.Yamaha+1.103
CRUTCHLOW C.Ducati+1.110

[Drew]

MM fastest again, But they are close!!

MotoGP: FP1 - Le Mans -
MARQUEZ M.Honda1:34.328
PEDROSA D.Honda+0.189
ROSSI V.Yamaha+0.253
LORENZO J.Yamaha+0.270
BAUTISTA A.Honda+0.325
BRADL S.Honda+0.406
DOVIZIOSO A.Ducati+0.547
ESPARGARO P.Yamaha+0.601
IANNONE A.Ducati+0.605
ESPARGARO A.Forward Yamaha+0.745
SMITH B.Yamaha+1.103
CRUTCHLOW C.Ducati+1.110What were the track conditions like though? When I see a Ducati within a second of the fastest in a session, I usually think it's cold or damp.

[ecko_nzed]

What were the track conditions like though? When I see a Ducati within a second of the fastest in a session, I usually think it's cold or damp.

Track Condition: Dry| Air: 12º| Humidity: 64%| Ground: 13º

[Reckless]

What were the track conditions like though? When I see a Ducati within a second of the fastest in a session, I usually think it's cold or damp.

jeepers Drew 5:30am was that musta even been before the Dawnbreaker lmao

[Reckless]

Na Drew the Ducati is up there mate, Rossi is out the back door tho??

Top Speeds all within 2k per hour so its all in the handling!! Early Days yet tho!!

Marc Marquez concluded Free Practice 2 for the French MotoGP at Le Mans on top of the timesheets by 0.007s from Ducati's Andrea Iannone.

Conditions were again bright and sunny, but with track temperatures having trebled to 39 degrees this afternoon. And while Marquez duly led both Friday sessions, it was far from a dominant FP2 for the reigning world champion.

Undefeated this season, Marquez had saved a big moment on entry to the final turn on his way to the fastest time early on in the afternoon session, only for the lap to be cancelled due to exceeding the track limits.

Like Repsol Honda team-mate Dani Pedrosa, Marquez then made what appeared to make an unsuccessful trial of the harder (medium compound) rear tyre and was only in tenth place as the midway point of the 45-minutes came and went.

Marquez emerged back on the soft rear with just over ten minutes to go and shot straight to the top, pushing his advantage to 0.602s over long-time leader Jorge Lorenzo soon after.

Pramac's Iannone cut that down to just 0.007s with the aid of the extra-soft rear tyre - only available to Ducati riders and the Open class - and while following Pedrosa. Gresini Honda's Alvaro Bautista and the home Monster Yamaha Tech 3 team's Bradley Smith - who had suffered a fall at the start of FP1 - moved into a late third and fourth to complete an unlikely line-up just behind Marquez.

Last year's wet Le Mans winner Pedrosa dropped from second this morning to fifth (+0.490s), but set his best time on lap 5 of a long 9 lap run. Pedrosa finished just ahead of LCR Honda's Stefan Bradl, both on track for the first time since undergoing arm pump surgery.

Lorenzo stuck to his new tactic of concentrating on the softer option rear tyre and looks in better shape than his seventh position would suggest. As well as leading for large parts of the afternoon, Lorenzo's best lap was set on lap 7 of a 9 lap run.

Movistar Yamaha team-mate Valentino Rossi looked in greater trouble, slipping from third in the morning to tenth (+1.046s) this afternoon, only fractionally improved on his FP1 time despite short runs of no more than four fast laps in this afternoon.

Unlike Lorenzo, who has opted to keep both of his bikes on the old chassis, Rossi has one new and one old chassis this weekend. The Italian will almost certainly need to try and improve in the cooler Saturday morning conditions to ensure direct access to Qualifying 2.

Between Lorenzo and Rossi on the Friday timesheets were Ducati's Andrea Dovizioso and Forward Yamaha's top Open class rider Aleix Espargaro, both within 0.682s of Marquez.

Dovizioso's team-mate Cal Crutchlow was surprising outpaced by Pramac's Yonny Hernandez, for eleventh, with Nicky Hayden the leading Production Honda rider in 14th and 1.5s from Marquez on the close timesheets.

Gresini Honda's Scott Redding fell on his way to 17th, while fellow rookie Broc Parkes only completed eleven laps due to technical issues with his PBM.

1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 33.452s [Lap 14/20] 305km/h (Top Speed)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 33.459s +0.007s [17/22] 306km/h
3. Alvaro Bautista ESP Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RC213V) 1m 33.668s +0.216s [17/21] 308km/h
4. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 33.920s +0.468s [17/20] 306km/h
5. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 33.942s +0.490s [17/22] 307km/h
6. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 1m 34.040s +0.588s [20/21] 308km/h
7. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 34.054s +0.602s [7/21] 307km/h
8. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 34.117s +0.665s [6/19] 306km/h
9. Aleix Espargaro ESP NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 34.134s +0.682s [16/16] 300km/h
10. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 34.498s +1.046s [21/21] 304km/h
11. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 34.506s +1.054s [22/23] 306km/h
12. Yonny Hernandez COL Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 1m 34.877s +1.425s [15/18] 299km/h
13. Cal Crutchlow GBR Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 34.907s +1.455s [7/19] 306km/h
14. Nicky Hayden USA Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 34.961s +1.509s [7/19] 291km/h
15. Colin Edwards USA NGM Forward Racing (Forward Yamaha) 1m 35.089s +1.637s [17/17] 298km/h
16. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 1m 35.229s +1.777s [7/19] 297km/h
17. Scott Redding GBR Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RCV1000R)* 1m 35.424s +1.972s [11/18] 290km/h
18. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing (RCV1000R) 1m 35.818s +2.366s [19/19] 295km/h
19. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Avintia) 1m 36.418s +2.966s [13/20] 294km/h
20. Mike Di Meglio FRA Avintia Racing (Avintia)* 1m 36.612s +3.160s [16/18] 292km/h
21. Michael Laverty GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART) 1m 36.742s +3.290s [16/19] 293km/h
22. Broc Parkes AUS Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART)* 1m 37.136s +3.684s [11/11] 285km/h

[BMWST?]

Ab on a mission,i like him,always trying,always seems happy

[Drew]

Track Condition: Dry| Air: 12º| Humidity: 64%| Ground: 13º
So yes, cold as fuck.

jeepers Drew 5:30am was that musta even been before the Dawnbreaker lmaowas having a morning coffee before heading off to work.

[ecko_nzed]

So yes, cold as fuck.
was having a morning coffee before heading off to work.

Will be more of the same for fp3 tomorrow morning. They are saying it's unlikely that they'll go faster than fp2. So top 10 for Q2 may have been decided.

[Reckless]

was having a morning coffee before heading off to work.

Thought it might have been an early start Race day for ya LOL but couldnt resist the joke LOL

[Drew]

Thought it might have been an early start Race day for ya LOL but couldnt resist the joke LOLNope, season is over. Four months till we are out on the chair again...unless Lovell can talk HMC to let us run at a couple of their meetings.

[Crasherfromwayback]

MM fucking caned them for his 5th pole in a row.

[Shaun Harris]

MM fucking caned them for his 5th pole in a row.








He is a very sick young man haha

[merv]

He is a very sick young man haha

Lol, he really makes the rest of them look sick, like with the flu or something.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He is a very sick young man haha


Lol, he really makes the rest of them look sick, like with the flu or something.

If nothing else...we're getting to see history being made.

[Shaun Harris]

If nothing else...we're getting to see history being made.






Sure are! And I am loving the fighter in Rossi coming out

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sure are! And I am loving the fighter in Rossi coming out

Yeah although maybe Jerez was just a blip on the radar? He's always been a master of that place, and until the last round there, MM had never won a race there in any class...so obviously not one of his favs. Guess we'll see soon enough. I hope not...as it's always more enetertaining when the old master is up there amongst it!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/May/140517rydernotes.htm

[pritch]

The first lap or two could be interesting as the first chicane can apparently give rise to casualties, and some of the top guys might be stuck in traffic.

According to Motomatters Iannone managed to upset MM by almost T boning him after taking an off-track short cut to get a tow. Was it Crazy Joe headbutted another rider in the gravel trap a few years back?

[Mushu]

I know this has been asked before and I did do a search but couldn't find it, where in the Internet can I find the best coverage of the motogp? I'm in Australia these days and television coverage here sucks, only showing the GP class and full of ads.

[Shaun Harris]

I know this has been asked before and I did do a search but couldn't find it, where in the Internet can I find the best coverage of the motogp? I'm in Australia these days and television coverage here sucks, only showing the GP class and full of ads.





www.motogp.com pay the fee and watch and enjoy



Thanks again to sommett sport NZ Free to air TV

[Mushu]

www.motogp.com pay the fee and watch and enjoy



Thanks again to sommett sport NZ Free to air TV

Thinking about it but I know there has been mention of somewhere that has the full feed live for free (I did just move to another country, not cheap, I haven't sold my bike or found a job yet so I'm trying not too spend any money I don't have to)

[Shaun Harris]

Thinking about it but I know there has been mention of somewhere that has the full feed live for free (I did just move to another country, not cheap, I haven't sold my bike or found a job yet so I'm trying not too spend any money I don't have to)







facebook search for Australian info dude

[Mushu]

facebook search for Australian info dude

They show it on Channel ten but only the GP class and is full of ads even through the race itself, and I guess since they own the rights they are the only ones that show it.

But thanks to a couple of guys that have PM'd me with links so I'll get to see it tonight.

[pritch]

where in the Internet can I find the best coverage of the motogp?

Four main options come to mind:

Pay MotoGP the hundred euros for full season coverage but you've missed five races as of tonight.

At the half way point in the season Dorna usually offer a half season package for half price.

A few (?) pages back in this thread there was mention of using torrents and which detailed a good source. If you aren't up with that method you'll need to Google "bit torrents", read that up and download the software. There is of course no charge for torrents, coming from somewhere with a name like Pirate Bay there wouldn't be would there?

There are also places around the world which stream live coverage from places like Turkmenistan because they don't care much about copyright. That'll tend to take place at ungodly hours though. But www.wiziwig.tv is one such and they are covering the GP tonight.

[BMWST?]

Well I think that was(moto 3) one of the best races I have seen,ever!

[pritch]

Well I think that was(moto 3) one of the best races I have seen,ever!

It was great. I loved Miller's comment when the interviewer said that it had come down to Honda power V KTM brakes,
"KTM brakes is it? I thought it was me."

He really does seem the complete package. All he needs is the rub of the green, as the bowlers would say.

David Emmett reports Michelin favoured to be the tyre supplier from 2016. Edwards to be tester.

And in the slow motion department: Iannone has just been awarded 1 penalty point for rejoining the track in a dangerous manner during practice. This being the incident where he almost T boned MM.

[DidJit]

Well I think that was(moto 3) one of the best races I have seen,ever!

Yep. :first: Fantastic race!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Awesome stuff. I seriously think even if you started MM off the back of the grid he'd win.

[sil3nt]

I was thinking that if he wraps up the championship early he might put himself to the back of the grid for the remaining races to have some fun.

[pritch]

Awesome stuff. I seriously think even if you started MM off the back of the grid he'd win.

He did something like that in Moto2, scary to watch.

Was happy for MM 'cause he is in my MCN team. Was happy for Bautista 'cause he really needed that. Was happy for Rossi just 'cause.

Oxley has eaten his words that Rossi was past it. Says Rossi would be winning - if it wasn't for MM...
Oxley also repeated his suggestion that someone should put Miller on a GP bike.

[Shaun Harris]

Rossi back to Honda for 2015 an 2016, you read it here first

Esp to factory team and Miller to tech3

[Crasherfromwayback]

He did something like that in Moto2, scary to watch.

.

Yeah Montegi.

[sil3nt]

He did something like that in Moto2, scary to watch.125s 2010 Estoril. http://www.crash.net/motogp/race-report/164663/1/125-marquez-crash-to-first-for-dramatic-estoril-win.html

[pritch]

125s 2010 Estoril. http://www.crash.net/motogp/race-report/164663/1/125-marquez-crash-to-first-for-dramatic-estoril-win.html

Well done. The onboard camera shots showed him riding through gaps that didn't really exist, like Moses parting the waves. Once he got near the front of the field things slowed a bit as the talent gap closed somewhat.

[imdying]

That little fucker is like watching over the shoulder of somebody playing motogp on an xbox. That race where he started from the back (a penalty for running that other fella off the track wasn't it?), on identical engines, was magic.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That little fucker is like watching over the shoulder of somebody playing motogp on an xbox. That race where he started from the back (a penalty for running that other fella off the track wasn't it?), on identical engines, was magic.

Yeah Montegi 2012

[sil3nt]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xud5mo_marc-marquez-motegi-onboard-2012-lap-1_auto

[steveyb]

That would be Motegi.

But more important things: 16th place for 2012 NZ 125cc Grand Prix champion Hafiq Azmi.
Was up to 14th there for a while.

Well done!

[Crasherfromwayback]

But more important things: 16th place for 2012 NZ 125cc Grand Prix champion Hafiq Azmi.
Was up to 14th there for a while.

Well done!

That's pretty awesome amongst that crowd!

[Erelyes]

(video)

Nice! Reminds me of


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-8fRyyzBg

[Mental Trousers]

For cars that was actually exciting!!

[steveyb]

Jeez, that driver made all the others look like muppets!

[MD]

That was awesome viewing!

This may be nit picking on MM, as he clearly possesses superpowers, but was he not careless to start celebrating the win and stand up and let the bike free wheel to the finish line before he had actually crossed it? I replayed it a few times and he sure appears to throttle off and stand up as he exited the bend but at that point he hadn't reached the grid places yet. Rossi may have been 1 or 2 seconds behind but he was sure still charging to the line and closing. Just didn't seem professional but maybe I'm miss reading where the finish line was?

[speights_bud]

I thought the same thing, but he did look back and I would therefore assume he calculated it. I was mostly disappointed at the lack of a big wheelie :oi-grr:

[BMWST?]

Nice! Reminds me of


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-8fRyyzBg


That was awesome viewing!

This may be nit picking on MM, as he clearly possesses superpowers, but was he not careless to start celebrating the win and stand up and let the bike free wheel to the finish line before he had actually crossed it? I replayed it a few times and he sure appears to throttle off and stand up as he exited the bend but at that point he hadn't reached the grid places yet. Rossi may have been 1 or 2 seconds behind but he was sure still charging to the line and closing. Just didn't seem professional but maybe I'm miss reading where the finish line was?

He took a long look at where VR was as he went round the last corner,he def was of the throttle, but he judged he had the time for the celebrations

[Shaun Harris]

I thought the same thing, but he did look back and I would therefore assume he calculated it. I was mostly disappointed at the lack of a big wheelie :oi-grr:








He clearly looked back going through last turn

[MD]

He clearly looked back going through last turn

Yeah I caught that glance behind. But it still looked unprofessional for someone playing at THAT level, to take any sort of risk of throwing away a 1st placing and becoming the laughing stock of world racing, should he miss judge his celebrations. Rossi more than halved the distance between them in the last few seconds.

You would expect anyone at the top of any form of competitive sport to know that you push hard until the finish line - NO EXCEPTIONS

[BigAl]

Yeah I caught that glance behind. But it still looked unprofessional for someone playing at THAT level, to take any sort of risk of throwing away a 1st placing and becoming the laughing stock of world racing, should he miss judge his celebrations. Rossi more than halved the distance between them in the last few seconds.

You would expect anyone at the top of any form of competitive sport to know that you push hard until the finish line - NO EXCEPTIONS

He didn't need to as he was winning by a mile!

[imdying]

You would expect anyone at the top of any form of competitive sport to know that you push hard until the finish line - NO EXCEPTIONSNo, you would. Show boating isn't unusual; can be good for the entertainment too, have a look at some NBA teams when they're way out in front, the crowd loves that shit.

[swbarnett]

You would expect anyone at the top of any form of competitive sport to know that you push hard until the finish line - NO EXCEPTIONS
What about all the riders (and drivers - seen it in F1) that get way in front then ease off to save tyres or conserve fuel etc.?

IIRC Doohan did that on numerous occasions.

[MD]

What about all the riders (and drivers - seen it in F1) that get way in front then ease off to save tyres or conserve fuel etc.?

IIRC Doohan did that on numerous occasions.

That's different. That's a technical strategy to ensure the win. This was just showing off, and he deserves the adoration without question. If I was the team Owner paying him millions to WIN, I would be having a quite word about time and place - that being the split second he crosses the finish line.

[Erelyes]

That's different. That's a technical strategy to ensure the win. This was just showing off, and he deserves the adoration without question. If I was the team Owner paying him millions to WIN, I would be having a quite word about time and place - that being the split second he crosses the finish line.

Disagree.

Why have a robot racing for you. Doing what he did sends a message: I didn't just beat you, I crushed you. They want him to have some flair, some personality.

Stand on the pegs over the finish line, arms outstretched: all the better for seeing the sponsor's logos with...

[bogan]

Disagree.

Why have a robot racing for you. Doing what he did sends a message: I didn't just beat you, I crushed you. They want him to have some flair, some personality.

Stand on the pegs over the finish line, arms outstretched: all the better for seeing the sponsor's logos with...

5 poles and 5 wins, the only words the sponsors should be having is 'sign here' to add more years to his contract.

[sharp2183]

How is that unprofessional? Sure so he got pushed back to tenth, smashed his way back, then gave everyone the finger...

But these guys aren't just motorcycle riders, they have to have the package. You know, what gets the cameras and journalists and fans attention. That's his job. And he sure as shit did that with his little stunt, so I'd say he was being very professional, making a lot of sponsors very happy!

[merv]

Hey crasher they're not being very nice to your mate Bradley over at crash.net on the Pol Espargaro thread http://www.crash.net/motogp/comments/204623/1/a/0/rookie-espargaro-hey-man-youre-in-third.html

[BMWST?]

Yeah I caught that glance behind. But it still looked unprofessional for someone playing at THAT level, to take any sort of risk of throwing away a 1st placing and becoming the laughing stock of world racing, should he miss judge his celebrations. Rossi more than halved the distance between them in the last few seconds.

You would expect anyone at the top of any form of competitive sport to know that you push hard until the finish line - NO EXCEPTIONS

These guys have perception abilities beyong the norm,its why they can ride these missiles to within cm of the same spot lap after lap.MM would have known EXACTLY where VR was

[merv]

I must say I am always intrigued how people are saying such comments on Motomatters and crash.net how boring MotoGP is just because Marquez is winning, so I went and had a quick glance back on the MotoGP site at some of the statistics.

In this latest race at Le Mans there was only 20 seconds or so covering the first 10 riders at the end of the race. Many of the 500cc races back in the 1970's in Barry Sheene and Kenny Roberts era and later in the Gardner, Lawson era of the 1980's and the Doohan, Schwantz era of the 1990's the gap between 1st and 2nd was sometimes as much as 50 secs and many of the field would get lapped and sometimes 2 or 3 times.

It strikes me we are getting some of the closest racing that has ever occurred and it is happening regularly. Even if you are a Ducati fan, they aren't that far behind.

Imagine being a poor old privateer back in the day on a 500 getting lapped a few times.

What's not to like right now?

[george formby]

I must say I am always intrigued how people are saying such comments on Motomatters and crash.net how boring MotoGP is just because Marquez is winning, so I went and had a quick glance back on the MotoGP site at some of the statistics.

In this latest race at Le Mans there was only 20 seconds or so covering the first 10 riders at the end of the race. Many of the 500cc races back in the 1970's in Barry Sheene and Kenny Roberts era and later in the Gardner, Lawson era of the 1980's and the Doohan, Schwantz era of the 1990's the gap between 1st and 2nd was sometimes as much as 50 secs and many of the field would get lapped and sometimes 2 or 3 times.

It strikes me we are getting some of the closest racing that has ever occurred and it is happening regularly. Even if you are a Ducati fan, they aren't that far behind.

Imagine being a poor old privateer back in the day on a 500 getting lapped a few times.

What's not to like right now?

Very pertinent. The rose tinted specs have come up before.
I reckon we are spoiled for choice in race viewing now & despite the on track brilliance in motogp, more often than not it ends up a procession. The last couple of races have had hugely entertaining starts & surprises.
I'm still not sure if MM's Achilles heel is starting or if he just loves mixing it.
Any hoo. Sommet, you rock.

[Reckless]

Damn well had to Hide off the internet until my son came back from a work trip, we always watch it together.
Damn good race! MM proved he's not perfect, then proved he is, jeepers he's winning with so much skill I def don't find it boring.
To think I really didn't like him couple of years ago but jeepers his interaction with the other riders, the lack of stuckupness (new word there LOL) even tho he's trouncing everyone and his riding ability makes him a deserved winner.
If I where to guess, Rossi and him are having a good effect on each other contributing to both enjoying there racing more.

MM just doesn't seem to fall off?? I'm sitting in the couch saying slow down before you crash you've already qualified 1/2 sec ahead but faster he goes.

All in all I think I'm really enjoying this season the hard battles throughout and the utter lack of any shit going down behind the scenes.

Just one more thought why the fuck his everyone seemingly taking it for granted that pedro is not going to have his seat at Honda next year?

[Bender]

I must say I am always intrigued how people are saying such comments on Motomatters and crash.net how boring MotoGP is just because Marquez is winning, so I went and had a quick glance back on the MotoGP site at some of the statistics.

In this latest race at Le Mans there was only 20 seconds or so covering the first 10 riders at the end of the race. Many of the 500cc races back in the 1970's in Barry Sheene and Kenny Roberts era and later in the Gardner, Lawson era of the 1980's and the Doohan, Schwantz era of the 1990's the gap between 1st and 2nd was sometimes as much as 50 secs and many of the field would get lapped and sometimes 2 or 3 times.

It strikes me we are getting some of the closest racing that has ever occurred and it is happening regularly. Even if you are a Ducati fan, they aren't that far behind.

Imagine being a poor old privateer back in the day on a 500 getting lapped a few times.

What's not to like right now?

Agree. And if you want close racing just watch the Moto3 race. Jack Miller will be Australia's next MotoGP world champion.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey crasher they're not being very nice to your mate Bradley over at crash.net on the Pol Espargaro thread http://www.crash.net/motogp/comments/204623/1/a/0/rookie-espargaro-hey-man-youre-in-third.html

Well I've always said I didn't think he's got it in him. But that's never gone down well.


I must say I am always intrigued how people are saying such comments on Motomatters and crash.net how boring MotoGP is just because Marquez is winning, so I went and had a quick glance back on the MotoGP site at some of the statistics.

What's not to like right now?

People have very short memories Merv...and they like to moan. Personally, as when Stoner and before him Rossi...and before him Doohan was kicking arse...I could happily watch MM reel off 25 laps at full chat on his own and be perfectly happy. But for sure there's been some other great things to watch over the last couple of seasons. They've been great.

[pritch]

Jack Miller will be Australia's next MotoGP world champion.

Meanwhile back in Oz the last one was posting pics of his model cars on Twitter last night. I tried to get the pics in a form that permitted me to post one here but no such luck. Maybe this will work?

http://instagram.com/p/oOeY11A9I6/

Gotta say kristenv2 seems unimpressed judging by her comment. Then again she is Ryan Villapoto's other half.

[Shaun Harris]

Meanwhile back in Oz the last one was posting pics of his model cars on Twitter last night. I tried to get the pics in a form that permitted me to post one here but no such luck. Maybe this will work?

http://instagram.com/p/oOeY11A9I6/

Gotta say kristen2 seems unimpressed judging by her comment.








just living the child hood he missed out whilst being being programmed

[pritch]

just living the child hood he missed out whilst being being programmed

Sad but probably true, very perspicacious of you.

[Shaun Harris]

Sad but probably true, very perspicacious of you.








Drew has bought out the best in me man. A man with that much time and money is sure lacking some thing in his life building kids cars, but each to there own I guess.

Lucky porn and beating off is free for me

[imdying]

I don't find the second coming of Valentino Rossi to be boring.

[MacPedro]

Agree. And if you want close racing just watch the Moto3 race. Jack Miller will be Australia's next MotoGP world champion.


Or New Zealands. His father is a NZer and Jack was born in NZ and went to Oz at 3 months of age according to a family member I know.

[imdying]

Gotta say kristenv2 seems unimpressed judging by her comment. Then again she is Ryan Villapoto's other half.Pfft who is he again... some random that rides farm bikes :nya:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't find the second coming of Valentino Rossi to be boring.

He's certainly looked like the only guy that may actually beat MM so far.

[imdying]

He's certainly looked like the only guy that may actually beat MM so far.He might finish a race ahead of him, should circumstances allow it. Looks like Marq has them all fucked this season though... he's even young enough to still bounce properly (fastest get off in MotoGP history is another of his records isn't it?), so I'm not sure what will stop him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He might finish a race ahead of him, should circumstances allow it. Looks like Marq has them all fucked this season though... he's even young enough to still bounce properly (fastest get off in MotoGP history is another of his records isn't it?), so I'm not sure what will stop him.

Yep. And hasn't really had to pull the pin as yet I don't think either.

[pritch]

He might finish a race ahead of him, should circumstances allow it. Looks like Marq has them all fucked this season though... he's even young enough to still bounce properly (fastest get off in MotoGP history is another of his records isn't it?), so I'm not sure what will stop him.

At one of the interviews last weekend Rossi said he wished he was 22 again so he could compete with Marquez.
Marques replied that Rossi would be 22 again at Mugello.

It seems though that he has the field covered, so we just have to await the arrival of his competition from the younger set.

[eelracing]

It seems though that he has the field covered, so we just have to await the arrival of his competition from the younger set.

That will be enough of the loser talk thankyou very much.
Rossi being racer through and through is talking up his chances over the next 3 rounds.

It's all on.

[Erelyes]

At one of the interviews last weekend Rossi said he wished he was 22 again so he could compete with Marquez.
Marques replied that Rossi would be 22 again at Mugello.

What a legend (both of them)

[pritch]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/mugello-holy-of-holies/

[Reckless]

More Here in this article.

It screams I'm only good enough for second. In fact it screams everyone is only good enough for second LOL
And when you start blaming things on your age well..................


Wednesday, 21 May 2014
Valentino Rossi has joked that he wishes he had met Marc Marquez earlier in his career, having witnessed the fantastic form of the current MotoGP™ World Champion. The seven-time premier class title winner again finished second to the Spaniard in the fifth round of the World Championship at Le Mans in France last Sunday.
Over the course of the opening five races in 2014, 35-year-old Rossi has finished second to Marquez on three occasions. At Le Mans, the Movistar Yamaha MotoGP man headed the pack until Marquez was allowed through due to a mistake at the Bleu Esses. Rossi would go on to discuss Marquez in the post-race press conference.

"I am in a situation in which, for sure I want to win, but it is not a big problem for me." Rossi began. "I come from a situation last year (and especially two and three years ago) when my results were a lot worse, so I am so happy about my work.

“You know…Marquez is clearly in another league. I understood that already last year and I said, ‘F***!’ It’s difficult, I should have met him and fought with him when I was 22! Anyway, it is good motivation because the level is so high and if you want to beat him you have to give it more than 100%.”

Rossi also provided some words on team-mate Jorge Lorenzo, who – as the last World Champion before Marquez – now sits 80 points behind the Repsol Honda Team rider just over a quarter of the way through the 2014 campaign.

"I understand Jorge," Rossi continued. "Personally, I am in a different situation. For me, to be on the podium behind Marc is acceptable. I know I can try to fight with him, but I am more relaxed. For Jorge, it is different because he wants to win. Last year, Jorge did some impressive races: the best of his career, even though he didn’t win the championship.

"This year, Marc has more experience and the Honda is technically a little bit better than the Yamaha, so Jorge it is a bit frustrated because he knows it is quite impossible and he doesn’t want to be second – he is not happy. So maybe for this reason he has some problems."

The championship now rolls on towards Mugello in Italy, a home venue for Rossi at which he will be celebrating his 300th career race start since debuting in the 125 class in 1996. Since then, he has won a total of nine world titles.

[george formby]

One helluva statement from MM's tire guy.

"In my mind, there are only two ways to stop Márquez: either derail his talent with wine, women and song or put Maverick Viñales and Jack Miller on MotoGP bikes."

Linky (http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/marc-marquez-he-is-playing/)