MotoGP 2014 [Archive] - Page 8

Drew

18th June 2014, 10:52

That's not what I've been reading. He has been doing stuff nobody did before. There will be some pretty big brains staring at video trying to figure out exactly what he's up to.

Like I said. He was the first to start doing whatever it is, but it's something the rest of the aliens are copying.

Anyone who tried to copy Stoner, ended up in the gravel.

Watch Marc ride, and he often has the back wheel off the ground as he tips in. To quite a disgusting amount of lean angle no less! It is that I believe that gives him an edge, yet how many times did he outbrake Rossi into turn 1 this weekend been? Just the once that actually worked. Every other time Rossi was going in just as hot as Marquez could.

Ribit

18th June 2014, 12:12

Shaun Harris

18th June 2014, 12:33

The amount of drift when braking into the corners Marquez uses is the main difference i see in riding styles. When he was following Rossi there wasnt much but when he was out in front it was very noticeable.

The drifting is the main part of his higher/looser talent to me which he hilighted in Moto2 also, he gets that comfortable with his bike that it 100% normall to be riding it side ways like that, and are sure that riding that way all the time makes you push the limits to get back to where you like to be as the rider sideways and feeling totally in control of the situation, he is so relaxed to watch riding this way.

Man it would be so cool to have them change the amount of ECU control down to say Moto2 level for traction control, I think there is prob only a few out there now that would deal with that well

pritch

18th June 2014, 13:59

The thing I read about was describing how he sometimes starts turning in with the back wheel still in the air. When the back wheel hits the ground the bike is leaning and the wheels are already out of alignment. Normally you'd want to avoind that situation, well I would anyway. They had to change the suspension settings to permit him to do that regularly.

And so far I don't see any others doing this.

Where I read that? God knows. I suspect Emmett or Oxley

OK here you go:
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/marc-marquez-he-is-playing/

Oh and the elbow? That's soooo last year. They're doing the shoulder now, Bradle was doing it at Barcelona and Redding's leathers showed he had been getting a shoulder down too.

Ribit

18th June 2014, 14:02

What eva he's doing he's started to teach his brother as well. Did ya see how far in front alex M was at the end of his race?

Crasherfromwayback

18th June 2014, 14:12

What eva he's doing he's started to teach his brother as well. Did ya see how far in front alex M was at the end of his race?

Some say Alex is the fastest of the two...look out world.

pritch

18th June 2014, 14:24

What eva he's doing he's started to teach his brother as well. Did ya see how far in front alex M was at the end of his race?

Ummm I think that's more to do with the Honda engine which currently has the edge on the KTM.

Mahindra was fairly competitive in Barvelona too.

Reckless

18th June 2014, 14:33

Some say Alex is the fastest of the two...look out world.

Two brothers fighting it out with Miller and Vinales in the mix sounds like a plan.

Edit: I meant Miller, Fixed DuH!! thanks Pritch :) You must spread more rep B4 giving it to Pritch....................LALALA

Had a freckin weird dream last night? Prob generated by the extraordinary way they seem to get on?
Rossi retired, put his full energy into VR46, MM left Honda and went to ride for Rossi.
Rossi became the winning-est MotoGP participant in all Moto GP history ( manager and rider) and was congratulating MM on his 10th tittle to beat his record and become the new goat.
Now there's a prediction :brick:

pritch

18th June 2014, 14:35

Apropos of shoulders...

Shaun Harris

18th June 2014, 14:38

Two brothers fighting it out with Maverick and Vinales in the mix sounds like a plan.

Had a freckin weird dream last night? Prob generated by the extraordinary way they seem to get on?
Rossi retired, put his full energy into VR46, MM left Honda and went to ride for Rossi.
Rossi became the winning-est MotoGP participant in all Moto GP history ( manager and rider) and was congratulating MM on his 10th tittle to beat his record and become the new goat.
Now there's a prediction :brick:

Did ya feel faster this morning when ya got up

denill

18th June 2014, 14:43

Apropos of shoulders...

Wadda ya say????? :gob:

Reckless

18th June 2014, 14:44

Did ya feel faster this morning when ya got up

Bloody did too!
Ran EDIT na jogged / na shuffled :argh: 1/2 my normal walk :2thumbsup trying to get a bit fitter soo I'm not so fucked I cant enjoy the dirt bike :(

puddytat

18th June 2014, 16:02

Some say Alex is the fastest of the two...look out world.

Nah.....dunno 'bout that, he has only won twice in 3 seasons. But I do think he's doing a heck of a good job,always up there when it gets to those last few laps.
Wonder if he's up for a moto 2 ride next year ?

Crasherfromwayback

18th June 2014, 16:09

Nah.....dunno 'bout that, he has only won twice in 3 seasons. But I do think he's doing a heck of a good job,always up there when it gets to those last few laps.
Wonder if he's up for a moto 2 ride next year ?

Lots of fast young guys coming through now eh! Bring it on I say.

Mental Trousers

18th June 2014, 16:21

Nah.....dunno 'bout that, he has only won twice in 3 seasons. But I do think he's doing a heck of a good job,always up there when it gets to those last few laps.
Wonder if he's up for a moto 2 ride next year ?

He's doing better than his brother was at the same stage apparently. Haven't checked up on that, but if it's true he's going to be scary fast.

Reckless

18th June 2014, 16:39

He's doing better than his brother was at the same stage apparently. Haven't checked up on that, but if it's true he's going to be scary fast.

HA you Might have struck the real reason why MM wants to wins as many races as/while he can aye :Playnice: Sibling Rivalry :lol:

R650R

18th June 2014, 19:02

MotoGP, how come the 4's sound so flat compared with your average street thou?

Better ad a blurb about the racing. Had started to get bored with Motogp with Vale getting as predictable a s Foggy in the SBK days but man the Martinez is a legend, just love the way that thing is slid way past the edge and recovered all the time.

I'd add to the other guys comment that broadcast tv there's prob a lot of loss/compression in the sound dept to save money/bandwidth etc... compared to a TV ad for latest holden or porche where they would have top of the line mics recording sound in all the right places and multi channel mixing/editing etc. If only they could put a pro level sound recorder on board the bike but it would be quite a weight/space penalty for whoever carrying it. Started using one of these for my vids:

http://transom.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DR100mkII-Hand-4002.jpg

pritch

18th June 2014, 21:23

Reckless

18th June 2014, 22:00

here ya go the Honda team ( if Dani's of the same mind??)

Suppo: ‘Honda’s priority is to keep Pedrosa’
Honda keen to renew Pedrosa before Silverstone
Tuesday, 17 June 2014
Livio Suppo has declared that Honda aims to retain the services of Dani Pedrosa, whose current contract expires at the end of 2014.
Pedrosa has raced with Repsol Honda Team since he stepped up to the MotoGP™ premier class at the start of 2006, having also taken the majority of the manufacturer’s 100 Grand Prix victories since the four-stroke era began in 2002.

With reigning World Champion Marc Marquez having in May extended his Honda contract until at least the end of 2016, Pedrosa is yet to put pen to paper.

“For sure, we will speak with Alberto (Puig, manager to Dani Pedrosa),” Suppo explains. “Of course, the priority for Dani is to remain here and the priority for Honda is to keep him here – and that is what we have to do. Now we will go ahead, but there is no rush.”

In Barcelona last Sunday, Pedrosa came extremely close to winning for the first time this year, but dropped to third place following contact with Marquez on the final lap.

Mental Trousers

18th June 2014, 22:09

Well that's no surprise. Pedro is doing exactly what he's meant to be doing. Signing up someone else would mean giving up the best wingman in the MotoGP.

haydes55

18th June 2014, 22:51

Well that's no surprise. Pedro is doing exactly what he's meant to be doing. Signing up someone else would mean giving up the best wingman in the MotoGP.

The best wingman in MotoGP almost took out his team mate in the last race.

Reminds me of racing speedway in a best pairs meeting. I was paired with my brother, he slowed down for the corner (rookie), I didn't slow down. We both went down. Gave the other pairing max points :/

Drew

19th June 2014, 06:28

The best wingman in MotoGP almost took out his team mate in the last race.

Reminds me of racing speedway in a best pairs meeting. I was paired with my brother, he slowed down for the corner (rookie), I didn't slow down. We both went down. Gave the other pairing max points :/After Marquez had put a couple hard (still fair) passes on Pedrosa from further back than looked possible.

It was a mistake by Dani for sure, but didn't seem to upset Marc at all.

R650R

19th June 2014, 08:42

That's a cool looking toy, I don't even know exactly what it is but I like the look of it.

Still, I don't think that a recording will give a completely realistic impression. Just as you don't feel the concussion on your face when they have explosions on TV, and the ground under your feet remains unmoved when the big V8s are racing on screen, a recording of the GP bikes may lack something - even with a good sound system.

It might be fun to try though.

Just realised I somehow quoted a really old post too anyway...

Its for recording off camera sound as despite Canon pro level DSLRs doing great video for what they are, the inbuilt mikes are utter shite including the pre amps etc...
The hoodaki in picture has two channel stereo recording plus XLR inputs for pro level mics on a boom etc.
This is more of an entry level unit but produces pro results way above using the camera mike. I should really run it on the back of the DR for a demo :)

Shaun Harris

19th June 2014, 09:06

After Marquez had put a couple hard (still fair) passes on Pedrosa from further back than looked possible.

It was a mistake by Dani for sure, but didn't seem to upset Marc at all.

Such a minor mistake that could have ended in serious tears. Dani is riding better than I have ever seen from him, and to actually see him smiling after loosing such a strong fight is really healthy to see. He must be a smile bonus from Dorna eh

roogazza

19th June 2014, 09:28

Lots of fast young guys coming through now eh! Bring it on I say.
Hey hey I'm back ! Been a bit of a delay getting the Net a further 30mins up from Kapiti but we're sweet now.
I'll try not to rave on but,every trip seems to get better and better.
Many more contacts and intros in the pits,but alas no Vale !
Was having breakie in Red Bull hosp, my new German mates said "Look at these guys," Rookies filed in, one was about 12 !!!!!!
so young ! Met Bradle there one morning.

Oscar

19th June 2014, 09:31

Hey hey I'm back ! Been a bit of a delay getting the Net a further 30mins up from Kapiti but we're sweet now.
I'll try not to rave on but,every trip seems to get better and better.
Many more contacts and intros in the pits,but alas no Vale !
Was having breakie in Red Bull hosp, my new German mates said "Look at these guys," Rookies filed in, one was about 12 !!!!!!
so young ! Met Bradle there one morning.

Red Bull eh?
Did you see Peter Clifford?

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2014, 09:36

roogazza

19th June 2014, 09:57

Red Bull eh?
Did you see Peter Clifford?
Yep, didn't speak tho. Didn't see your mate .
Lots of Red Bull girls humouring silly old men lol. :drool:

Shaun Harris

19th June 2014, 10:31

Yep, didn't speak tho. Didn't see your mate .
Lots of Red Bull girls humouring silly old men lol. :drool:

Do you catch up with Mike Webb at all?

roogazza

19th June 2014, 12:48

Do you catch up with Mike Webb at all?
Nah , he's Oscars mate as I said. Wanted to meet him, but hey he's probably a busy man anyway.

roogazza

19th June 2014, 13:19

Awesome! Pictures please... Couple of snaps.
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MM's new Beemer for most points for poles.
Entrance to Mugello, giant helmet.
Local noise makers are getting quite professional ,air horns and megaphones. (600 honda engine ?)

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2014, 13:35

Couple of snaps.
Local noise makers are getting quite professional ,air horns and megaphones. (600 honda engine ?)

Lol. Love it.

eelracing

19th June 2014, 15:32

Couple of snaps.
Local noise makers are getting quite professional ,air horns and megaphones.

Good shit Gazza...i'd be sitting there,if only to drown out the stadium full of vuvuzela sounding moto3 bikes.

actungbaby

23rd June 2014, 16:30

Do you catch up with Mike Webb at all?

I did wonder if he was a kiwi shit i remeber seeing him race 250cc two strokes on tv

Are there still alot kiwi s and aussies as mechanics

In mototgp

wasint bob tommey spanner man back in the day

Crasherfromwayback

23rd June 2014, 17:09

wasint bob tommey spanner man back in the day

Yep. For Kenny Roberts Junior.

roogazza

24th June 2014, 08:40

Got this off 'Soup'.Have a little read.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Jun/140623rydernotes.htm

Crasherfromwayback

24th June 2014, 08:46

Got this off 'Soup'.Have a little read.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Jun/140623rydernotes.htm

And there you have it.

Reckless

24th June 2014, 09:37

Got this off 'Soup'.Have a little read.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Jun/140623rydernotes.htm

Then MM arrived and everything changed up a gear :innocent:

Drew

24th June 2014, 11:19

Then MM arrived and everything changed up a gear :innocent:I still wonder if this is true.

pritch

24th June 2014, 18:59

Ummmm which bit are you wondering about Drew?

Drew

24th June 2014, 19:13

Ummmm which bit are you wondering about Drew?

Not so much that the bar has risen, but that Marquez is going to be the dominating force he's being heralded as.

It's 50/50 for me right now. He'll be the next Doohan/Rossi, or the next Lorenzo I reckon.

haydes55

24th June 2014, 19:39

Not so much that the bar has risen, but that Marquez is going to be the dominating force he's being heralded as.

It's 50/50 for me right now. He'll be the next Doohan/Rossi, or the next Lorenzo I reckon.

How can he be the next Rossi/Doohan/Lorenzo when he has already surpassed their achievements for the beginning of a motogp career.

Maybe some day a young guy might get a factory ride and become the next Marquez.

pritch

24th June 2014, 20:32

It's 50/50 for me right now. He'll be the next Doohan/Rossi, or the next Lorenzo I reckon.

Well so far it seems he's the next Freddie Spencer at least, and look how that ended. Things happen, barring injury I think his next major hurdle will be Michelin tyres. A change of rubber has sent more than one career into decline.

In some respects he's different though. It can be claimed that some former champions won because they had by far the best machinery, some had the best tyres, some may have had weak competition. None of these claims could fairly be levelled at Marquez.

Don't wait too long to be convinced, just enjoy it. We are witnessing something special.

And hey everybody, don't forget that we need to wind our internal clocks forward 24 hours, The Assen GP is always on a Saturday.

Reckless

24th June 2014, 22:53

Well so far it seems he's the next Freddie Spencer at least, and look how that ended. Things happen, barring injury I think his next major hurdle will be Michelin tyres. A change of rubber has sent more than one career into decline.

In some respects he's different though. It can be claimed that some former champions won because they had by far the best machinery, some had the best tyres, some may have had weak competition. None of these claims could fairly be levelled at Marquez.

Don't wait too long to be convinced, just enjoy it. We are witnessing something special.

And hey everybody, don't forget that we need to wind our internal clocks forward 24 hours, The Assen GP is always on a Saturday.

I Agree with you Pritch the new tyres will be a test especially if they really suit the Yammy? But he looks like he can ride anything to be honest.
I've often said I'd like to see him have a blast on the Yamaha just to prove it right or wrong??

Sat thanks for that finally wont have to stay away from the net all day Monday until I can watch it with my boy? Sat or Sunday GP night over here?

Reckless

24th June 2014, 23:06

Been getting heaps of these pics via the VR46 page.
Can't speak the lingo but According to the posts this was last Saturday 21st June.
Rossi doing heaps of practice dirt tracking.
Good for fitness and bike skills no one can say he ain't putting in the effort :)

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pritch

24th June 2014, 23:17

According to the SKY programme Moto3 qualifying kicks off at 10.30PM Friday and the race at 8.45PM Saturday. Can't check if that's all live because Dorna haven't got the times up yet for the Internet coverage.

george formby

24th June 2014, 23:20

Don't wait too long to be convinced, just enjoy it. We are witnessing something special.

And hey everybody, don't forget that we need to wind our internal clocks forward 24 hours, The Assen GP is always on a Saturday.

Can't agree more. Two non biking mates have been hooked after the last couple of races. Jaws dropped. The one who should know better was caught, by his wife, leaping up & down in the living room, waving his fists in the air & yelling like a mad man. He's probably about 60.

Reckless

24th June 2014, 23:24

Jesus im a ???

I'm the one with the MotoGP subscription and I automatically ask on KB?? DUH

Ok so here ya go converted to our local time according to the MotoGP site.

Midnight Sat night for MotoGP?????

Time table copy and pasted for KB land :)
Friday
Moto3FP3
19:00 - 19:40
MotoGPFP3
19:55 - 20:40
Moto2FP3
20:55 - 21:40
Moto3QP
22:35 - 23:15
MotoGPFP4
23:30 - (Sat) 00:00
MotoGPQ1
00:10 - 00:25
MotoGPQ2
00:35 - 00:50
Moto2QP
01:05 - 01:50
Showing your local time (GMT +12)

Saturday
28 June 2014

Moto3WUP
18:40 - 19:00
Moto2WUP
19:10 - 19:30
MotoGPWUP
19:40 - 20:00
Moto3RAC
21:00
Moto2RAC
22:20
MotoGPRAC
(Sun) 00:00
Showing your local time (GMT +12)
Convert To Race Local Time

roogazza

25th June 2014, 12:26

Crasherfromwayback

25th June 2014, 12:31

Thanks Reckless, This one might be Yamahas' best chance yet to win one. Horhay is saying he needs a bit more top end speed. Assen might be a bit of a leveller with its sweeping corners.
Rossi is just wanting to fight.
'The joker' probably has other ideas ? :laugh:

The Yamaha hasn't really looked any slower than the Honda to me.

Kiwi Graham

25th June 2014, 12:36

The Yamaha hasn't really looked any slower than the Honda to me.

The 'on board' shows the (mighty) Yamaha jumping out of the corners better but the Honda tracks back up onto them by the end of the straights and MM seems to make the pass with ease and yes slipstreaming has alot toplay.

Crasherfromwayback

25th June 2014, 13:23

The 'on board' shows the (mighty) Yamaha jumping out of the corners better but the Honda tracks back up onto them by the end of the straights and MM seems to make the pass with ease and yes slipstreaming has alot toplay.

Yeah I've noticed that. Used to be the Honda getting the jump out of the turns on the Yamaha eh! I see MM had to change the top gear on his Honda at Mugello to be able to draft the Yamaha...

roogazza

25th June 2014, 13:43

The Yamaha hasn't really looked any slower than the Honda to me.
Yeah I've been comparing too,(from my armchair) Yamaha look to have improved ?
Maybe Horhay is feeling the pinch .

Crasherfromwayback

25th June 2014, 13:45

Yeah I've been comparing too,(from my armchair) Yamaha look to have improved ?
Maybe Horhay is feeling the pinch .

Maybe the inch perfect sweeping 250 style lines aren't the way to go right now. Should be ok at Assen though eh?

Drew

25th June 2014, 14:25

The Yamaha hasn't really looked any slower than the Honda to me.I noted the same thing in the last GP. Couldn't believe Marquez wasn't monstering Rossi at two thirds the start/finish straight.

Maybe the inch perfect sweeping 250 style lines aren't the way to go right now. Should be ok at Assen though eh?Tough one to call. Marquez seems to just let the rear wheel hover all the way to an apex, no matter how fast the corner is.

actungbaby

26th June 2014, 12:54

Yep. For Kenny Roberts Junior.

he was good on a bike too talented man alright

Crasherfromwayback

26th June 2014, 12:59

he was good on a bike too talented man alright

Certainly was. Very quick and smooth. Hell of a nice bloke too.

Shaun Harris

26th June 2014, 14:05

Certainly was. Very quick and smooth. Hell of a nice bloke too.

Sure was and is! You could all but bet on him winning the race if he got the hole shot of the line

badlieutenant

26th June 2014, 20:16

kewl interview with KR, pretty short but mentions barry and what the modern gp bikes are like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D79UuvNlxFA

Reckless

26th June 2014, 21:03

kewl interview with KR, pretty short but mentions barry and what the modern gp bikes are like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D79UuvNlxFA

Cheers for that :)

Secondly: That babe walkin through at 2 mins had a noice rack :) :)

Mental Trousers

27th June 2014, 09:09

Cheers for that :)

Secondly: That babe walkin through at 2 mins had a noice rack :) :)

Her shirt was no wear near small enough. However, her bra was struggling :niceone:

roogazza

27th June 2014, 13:15

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2014/06/26/2014_assen_motogp_thursday_round_up_the_.html

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Jun/140626b.htm

Shaun Harris

27th June 2014, 13:42

Lowes doing very well in Moto2 times again, his podium is coming soon

Reckless

27th June 2014, 14:19

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2014/06/26/2014_assen_motogp_thursday_round_up_the_.html

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Jun/140626b.htm

Cant fucken stand bikes on Soft/soft tyres totally distorting what will actually happen in the race.
And breaking records to boot.
Its Bullshit

Shaun Harris

27th June 2014, 14:32

Cant fucken stand bikes on Soft/soft tyres totally distorting what will actually happen in the race.
And breaking records to boot.
Its Bullshit

Agree with ya on that

Brian d marge

27th June 2014, 15:23

Avon speedmasters mk2 that will show the men from the boys

steveyb

27th June 2014, 21:18

Hafiq Azmi P15 in FP3 at Assen. C'mon boi!!

BMWST?

27th June 2014, 21:28

dont forget qualifying is on tonight!

ecko_nzed

27th June 2014, 21:56

Lowes doing very well in Moto2 times again, his podium is coming soon

Gone top in FP3 :first: Made Tito look slow.

steveyb

27th June 2014, 22:40

MotoGP website won't log me in!!

Reckless

27th June 2014, 22:50

MotoGP website won't log me in!!
I just logged in to check for ya mate and mines all good

speights_bud

28th June 2014, 01:19

Mine was working all good. Bugger for those who fluffed around in Q2. Should be interesting to watch the Yamaha boys work their way back up

steveyb

28th June 2014, 08:40

Finally got in, but it was a painful wait..... and only MotoGP on Sommet because of the stinking AFL game!! Booo...

Shaun Harris

28th June 2014, 09:21

11am today on sommetsport is the qualify again

Shaun Harris

29th June 2014, 09:11

Wow Re Lorenzo's result and his comment on www.crash.net re " Sorry I rode so badly, I had No confidence and did not want to crash"

He Just lost more Dollars from Yamaha if they deff want him back on board there next season

sil3nt

29th June 2014, 15:31

merv

29th June 2014, 15:33

Love Marc Marquez bike change routine and feet not touching the ground. The boy is agile in his leathers and boots.

Drew

29th June 2014, 16:13

Rossi was fucken lucky to get fifth. After making the wrong call and starting from the pits to be on wets, then to change back to slicks four laps later.

One cannot help but wonder what might have been, had he stayed with slicks for those first four laps...and not crashed.

I have never before cheered for a Ducati to win a race (other than the one I raced obviously), but couldn't help it with the form Dovi was showing. Would be awesome if the only race Marquez didn't win all year, the winning bike was that pile of shit.

MVnut

29th June 2014, 16:18

BMWST?

29th June 2014, 16:58

Rossi rode better than anyone else, including Marc, particularly the second half, unlucky with the tyre decision
Yes,thats why four riders finished on front of him.It was his decision to make the pit stops.Thats supposed to be part of riding motogp isnt it?
Thats why you are wrong.I argue that MM,dovi,dp,and AP rode better than VR

Drew

29th June 2014, 17:36

Yes,thats why four riders finished on front of him.It was his decision to make the pit stops.Thats supposed to be part of riding motogp isnt it?
Thats why you are wrong.I argue that MM,dovi,dp,and AP rode better than VR

He gambled that slicks were the go to start. He started from pit lane, but pitted just the once.

Rode better is still a stretch though.

jasonu

29th June 2014, 17:39

It must be nice to know that, no matter what happens, everyone else sucks when compared to you.

Crasherfromwayback

29th June 2014, 17:50

It must be nice to know that, no matter what happens, everyone else sucks when compared to you.

Lol. Not something I've ever had the pleasure of knowing.

roogazza

29th June 2014, 18:28

I have never before cheered for a Ducati to win a race (other than the one I raced obviously), but couldn't help it with the form Dovi was showing. Would be awesome if the only race Marquez didn't win all year, the winning bike was that pile of shit.

I'd like the thing to win just so they lose the 4 litres and the other handouts !!!
Dovi is making Crutchless look less than 'works' material. Good in tech3 but he flapped when with them as well.
He's getting slagged a bit on the pommy site 'Crash' for talking instead of riding.

MVnut

29th June 2014, 18:37

He gambled that slicks were the go to start. He started from pit lane, but pitted just the once.

Rode better is still a stretch though.

A stretch? ...true.... that's my opinion though...as I said, particularly in the second half (again in my opinion)

Reckless

30th June 2014, 10:56

I'd like the thing to win just so they lose the 4 litres and the other handouts !!!

Agree 100% infact it drives me crazy those conditions really suited soft tyres and fat fueling.

on the day

Best rider MM
Moto GP said it was a masterclass by MM and it was he simply out rode everyone on the day.
Climbing on the camera stand and shaking the camera mans hand smacks of Rossi's fun antics.
To think I really disliked the kid in Moto2 but just shows how a kid can learn and mature into a great rider on and off the track.
Although the test will be to see how he handles a patch like JL is having?

Second best rider VR
They have to take gambles, as nobody can simply out ride the MM/Honda combination and he gambled.
But still completely out rode his team mate to start from pit lane and finish 5th when JL finished 13th.

Dovi rode well but the advantages negate his efforts imho. Espargaro he rode bloody well to.

All in all the best rider won is bike exchanges were spot on! Where Edwards looked like he was taken a walk in the park?

MM skill level has got them all fucked especially JL, VR has age as an excuse, DP is used to coming second.
Actually really beginning to think MM can win them all (if he stays on) its not as if he's up against a dull patch in the opposition they are all really good riders.
Quite liking watching him simply take them all apart. You gotta respect what hes doing even if your a hater.

BMWST?

30th June 2014, 11:10

Agree 100% infact it drives me crazy those conditions really suited soft tyres and fat fueling.

on the day

Best rider MM
Moto GP said it was a masterclass by MM and it was he simply out rode everyone on the day.
Climbing on the camera stand and shaking the camera mans hand smacks of Rossi's fun antics.
To think I really disliked the kid in Moto2 but just shows how a kid can learn and mature into a great rider on and off the track.
Although the test will be to see how he handles a patch like JL is having?

Second best rider VR
They have to take gambles, as nobody can simply out ride the MM/Honda combination and he gambled.
But still completely out rode his team mate to start from pit lane and finish 5th when JL finished 13th.

Dovi rode well but the advantages negate his efforts imho. Espargaro he rode bloody well to.

All in all the best rider won is bike exchanges were spot on! Where Edwards looked like he was taken a walk in the park?

MM skill level has got them all fucked especially JL, VR has age as an excuse, DP is used to coming second.
Actually really beginning to think MM can win them all (if he stays on) its not as if he's up against a dull patch in the opposition they are all really good riders.
Quite liking watching him simply take them all apart. You gotta respect what hes doing even if your a hater.
So AP rode well with the same advantages as dovi,on arguably a better bike,but dovi didnt?
Dovi the most consustent,if not the fastest,non alien imho

roogazza

30th June 2014, 12:45

Agree 100% infact it drives me crazy those conditions really suited soft tyres and fat fueling.

on the day

Best rider MM
Moto GP said it was a masterclass by MM and it was he simply out rode everyone on the day.
Climbing on the camera stand and shaking the camera mans hand smacks of Rossi's fun antics.
To think I really disliked the kid in Moto2 but just shows how a kid can learn and mature into a great rider on and off the track.
Although the test will be to see how he handles a patch like JL is having?

Second best rider VR
They have to take gambles, as nobody can simply out ride the MM/Honda combination and he gambled.
But still completely out rode his team mate to start from pit lane and finish 5th when JL finished 13th.

Dovi rode well but the advantages negate his efforts imho. Espargaro he rode bloody well to.

All in all the best rider won is bike exchanges were spot on! Where Edwards looked like he was taken a walk in the park?

MM skill level has got them all fucked especially JL, VR has age as an excuse, DP is used to coming second.
Actually really beginning to think MM can win them all (if he stays on) its not as if he's up against a dull patch in the opposition they are all really good riders.
Quite liking watching him simply take them all apart. You gotta respect what hes doing even if your a hater.
From the E mails i got, most would rather put Assen behind them and look forward to the German.
Yes I'd prefer one class or rather less handicaping. The first few laps are hectic and risky for the Works teams, until everyone settles.
MM just too good and for me, nice to see Vale do so well from pitlane. Shame cos I thought Assen his big chance to turn the tables on the "Joker".
It seems MM could do the whole session unbeaten.

Erelyes

30th June 2014, 12:55

I was well disappointed by Aleix's effort. After having got pole he got caned at the start and never really recovered. If anything can shake MM it's being beaten by someone other than VR, JL or DP

pritch

30th June 2014, 15:43

I was well disappointed by Aleix's effort. After having got pole he got caned at the start and never really recovered.

EsA only got pole because of the weather. He got in one quick lap before the rain came down. Most everybody else was riding around carefully wondering how safe it was. Do the MotoGP guys get a watch like the WSB dudes?

This from David Emmett:
"Seeing West succeed in Assen is a salutary warning of how an exceptionally talented rider can go wrong. West jumped from series to series, from class to class, often ending up in third rate teams. On the right bike he was outstanding, as he showed briefly in World Supersport on the Yamaha. All too often, however, he has ended up on the wrong bike, and in the wrong company."

I thought West was stupid walking out on his WSS Yamaha contract when he was winning races. Then he took sponsorship from a Mickey Mouse helmet manufacturer and when it rained he discovered that the thing fogged up totally and he couldn't see. Last year though he was reportedly riding unpaid, living in a sleepout at his girlfriend's parents house in Italy, sleeping on a sofa. I was pleased to see him win and wish him well but I hope his decision making has improved - and that he is actually getting paid.

Reckless

1st July 2014, 18:09

Must have been practice as both bike have slicks.

298630

merv

1st July 2014, 18:12

The boy is a whizz alright :laugh:

1st July 2014, 21:56

Love that pic of MM's bike leap. What technique, style and all round ground breaking way to swap bikes faster than.. well, anyone! The other teams bosses should be ordering compulsory training for a week to learn the MM manoeuvre, not to be confused with the Bridgeman manoeuvre.

Loved the swimming across the finish line. Finally the poor depressed unemployed Spanish have something to be proud of.

merv

1st July 2014, 22:33

Exactly MD, love the way the boy tries stuff like changing bikes during the qualifying, leaping from one to the other coz putting a foot on the ground is just so last year etc etc. He loves dirt bikes too, he really is the whole package.

Reckless

3rd July 2014, 02:15

Wouldn't it be bloody dramatic if they didn't take JL??
He couldn't ride the Ducati I reckon, but Suzuki??

Off the MotoGP site for all those not Members

Yamaha and Valentino Rossi set to continue with two-year contract extension
Rossi set to continue with Yamaha for two more years
Wednesday, 2 July 2014
Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd is delighted to announce that it has signed a new two‐year agreement with Valentino Rossi. The nine-time world champion will continue to race with Movistar Yamaha MotoGP™ for the 2015 and 2016 MotoGP™ World Championship seasons.
The announcement comes midway through an excellent season for the MotoGP™ veteran. Rossi currently sits in second in the standings having taken four second place finishes and a total of five podiums from eight races so far this year.

Lin Jarvis

“I am very happy that we have concluded the agreement with Valentino for 2015 and 2016. Since his return to Yamaha in 2013 it’s been a very positive experience for everybody involved. After two difficult years ‘away from home’ Valentino returned last year, not only to us but also to his beloved YZR‐M1. Fans of racing across the world were happy to see him rediscover his competitive performance and witness him take pleasure in riding and having fun again on two wheels. The ‘fun factor’ is crucial to Valentino to get results – in fact when he first joined us in 2004 one of the most important motivations for his move to Yamaha was his desire to create an environment where he could enjoy racing. His enjoyment is obvious to all who meet him at the MotoGP™ events or who see him race on TV and is reflected in his excellent race results this year where he is currently in second position in the World Championship. We look forward to the next two and a half years together and it is our intention that Valentino will remain with Yamaha until the end of his sporting career and beyond.”

Valentino Rossi

“I am very happy to announce that I have signed a new contract with Yamaha to continue together in MotoGP™ for the next two years. I am very proud of this announcement. It’s very important to me because I really enjoy working with my crew and all the guys from the team, both the Japanese and European members that have been with me almost my entire career. It’s great because this was my target; I wanted to continue, I am feeling good and I’m motivated to keep giving my best. I am very happy that I can keep riding my YZR‐M1, that has been my love for so many years and will still be my love this year and the following two seasons. A big ‘Thank You’ to everybody, I will try to keep giving the maximum to arrive in front and make good races. Enjoy!”

Press release courtesy of Yamaha Motor Co. Ltd.

Bender

3rd July 2014, 08:16

So they've consigned themselves to finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Does this mean they'll dump Horhay and install an Espargaro?

Drew

3rd July 2014, 08:20

So they've consigned themselves to finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Does this mean they'll dump Horhay and install an Espargaro?

Interesting take on it. Who do you suggest they give the seat to, that'll be battling Marquez?

Shaun Harris

3rd July 2014, 09:50

Interesting take on it. Who do you suggest they give the seat to, that'll be battling Marquez?

No one will get to battle MM until he tires later on in a few years time. He is the Next BEST ROSSI!

pritch

3rd July 2014, 10:33

No one will get to battle MM until he tires later on in a few years time.

He might slip one day while practicing his bike to bike jumping and crush his nuts. That'll slow him down. :doctor:

Bender

3rd July 2014, 10:50

I think the answer to beating MM will have to come from the ranks of Moto3 (maybe his brother, who Mark says is faster than he is) or Jack Miller, or from Moto2. The guys who are now watching and learning how MM rides.

The route Yamaha has taken, relying on high mid-corner speed for its competitiveness, may be less flexible than the point and squirt Hondas. It takes more rider courage and a cleaner or drier track than the other styles. And at Assen, Horhay showed he has lost his bottle in anything less than perfect conditions. I feel for the guy because he has been truly great (last year when he had the overnight operation, for example).

Yamaha is in a real bind, getting their arses kicked every race by Honda. They need to do something radical (which Honda did when signing Stoner and then MM) or the results will not change. It was only a few years ago that Honda's team was Pedrosa and Dovizioso - and they sacked Dovi.

They are in the same boat as Ducati was before signing Gigi - doing the same things but expecting different results.

On another note - I read this morning that Ducati have a new engine that they will test at the end of year post-race tests. It is smaller than the current version, giving the engineers more options in terms of bike set-up. They realise they have plenty of speed, but the thing won't go round corners. The same article report that Cal's been talking to Suzuki and Dovi is very happy with Ducati's progress.

pritch

3rd July 2014, 11:07

More grist to the rumour mill:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/sport/sportresults/motogp/2014/june/jun2714-crutchlow-ducati/_/R-EPI-144288

Mental Trousers

3rd July 2014, 11:16

On another note - I read this morning that Ducati have a new engine that they will test at the end of year post-race tests. It is smaller than the current version, giving the engineers more options in terms of bike set-up. They realise they have plenty of speed, but the thing won't go round corners. The same article report that Cal's been talking to Suzuki and Dovi is very happy with Ducati's progress.

Not surprised CC has been thinking about moving. His riding style is very much a Superbike one - take weight off the front end to restore grip when turning in. If you look at where he and Dovi sit on the bike CC is almost sitting on the tail piece rather than the seat and he's doing the stupid leg wavy thing (puts weight lower), whereas Dovi is all over the tank. The Ducati lacks grip at turn in cos the weight isn't moved forward quickly enough (low and rearward CoG) so a style like Dovi's works much, much better than CC's.

The new engine and the change in weight distribution it brings may be somewhat of a revelation for Crutchlow.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd July 2014, 13:37

More grist to the rumour mill:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/sport/sportresults/motogp/2014/june/jun2714-crutchlow-ducati/_/R-EPI-144288

Not surprised CC has been thinking about moving. His riding style is very much a Superbike one - take weight off the front end to restore grip when turning in. If you look at where he and Dovi sit on the bike CC is almost sitting on the tail piece rather than the seat and he's doing the stupid leg wavy thing (puts weight lower), whereas Dovi is all over the tank. The Ducati lacks grip at turn in cos the weight isn't moved forward quickly enough (low and rearward CoG) so a style like Dovi's works much, much better than CC's.

The new engine and the change in weight distribution it brings may be somewhat of a revelation for Crutchlow.

I think CC would be a mistake for Suzuki. Go with Dovi (better than CC anyway) and a young hard charger like Jack

Reckless

4th July 2014, 10:48

Aprilia conclude three-day test at Mugello with Biaggi
Thursday, 3 July 2014
Italian manufacturer Aprilia have wrapped up a three-day Mugello visit, in which Max Biaggi extensively tested the ART-Aprilia MotoGP bike.
Biaggi completed a marathon haul of 176 laps over the 72 hour workout, recording a best time of 1’50.940.

For Aprilia however the lap time is not crucial at this stage, as they are more focused on gathering key data for the continued development of their current bike - already being used in the MotoGP™ World Championship - and in preparation for a new Aprilia prototype they hope will race in the premier class in 2016.

The importance of the tests was clear to Romano Albesiano, Aprilia Racing manager, who commented: "Max’s pace was very good and we have gathered valuable data. There is little more to add than what has been said already this week. We decided to try Biaggi because we knew we would get important information from his experience, so from this point of view, the test went as planned."

Biaggi was happy with the feeling with the ART, saying, "The balance of these three days is definitely positive. From all points of view, adaptation to the bike, the tyres, brakes, not to mention the physical effort with so many laps, it becomes important especially if you have not been on the bike for a long time."

"We did a good job, we were able to evaluate the different solutions available and I think I've provided some good ideas to the team.

roogazza

4th July 2014, 19:17

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/03/the_comprehensive_motogp_silly_season_up.html

pritch

5th July 2014, 11:41

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/03/the_comprehensive_motogp_silly_season_up.html

That'll keep things churning over and some of those involved were commenting on Twitter last night. None of the comments gave anything away though.

Marc VDS made a formal announcement that they definitely have Miller's signature on a documentt. Miller says they don't. This exchange was probably prompted by the rumour that Miller is going straight to MotoGP next year.

Casey Stoner chimed in with a comment to the effect that maybe the fans didn't like him because he didn't play these games. This from the guy who's formal statement denying a rumour, could be taken as proof the rumour was true. :whistle:

Shaun Harris

5th July 2014, 13:18

That'll keep things churning over and some of those involved were commenting on Twitter last night. None of the comments gave anything away though.

Marc VDS made a formal announcement that they definitely have Miller's signature on a documentt. Miller says they don't. This exchange was probably prompted by the rumour that Miller is going straight to MotoGP next year.

Casey Stoner chimed in with a comment to the effect that maybe the fans didn't like him because he didn't play these games. This from the guy who's formal statement denying a rumour could be taken as proof the rumour was true. :whistle:

Its all to funny eh, shame though as all parties have been great for each other. Maybe it will lead to them all involved in a Motogp bike next year? Calling Mr Suzuki

Maha

5th July 2014, 16:05

pritch

5th July 2014, 16:23

That new sports channel on Freeview show the MotoGP live, was gleefully surprised when flicking through the channels last weekend and stumbled upon the closing laps of Moto3, then got all the crap that goes on between races, but I guess there is lawns to mow or chooks to feed while that's on.

The GPs have been on Sommet for a while now. It's just a small thing but they won't switch to the Moto 3 race while an AFL match is in progress, last time they missed some major drama with both Miller and Fenati crashing before they crossed IIRC. Fenati obliged by crashing again though so we didn't miss out completely.

What Sommet do offer is better than anything else that's freely available though, and there has been some great racing.

And do you really mow your lawn around midnight?:whistle:

steveyb

5th July 2014, 16:58

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Marc+VDS+reiterates+preagreement+with+Jack+Miller

My feeling is that the Millers are being a bit silly here.
THey know what they have signed and frankly, every single other rider in the paddock would give their left nut, or both even, to get a Moto2 ride with MVDS.
And they are thinking about moving to MotoGP, so 2016?
It's a no brainer really, regardless of other offers.
Is this another case of swelling head syndrome?

Maha

5th July 2014, 18:22

The GPs have been on Sommet for a while now. It's just a small thing but they won't switch to the Moto 3 race while an AFL match is in progress, last time they missed some major drama with both Miller and Fenati crashing before they crossed IIRC. Fenati obliged by crashing again though so we didn't miss out completely.

What Sommet do offer is better than anything else that's freely available though, and there has been some great racing.

And do you really mow your lawn around midnight?:whistle:

No, the lawn mowing bit was not quite accurate as my hobby is Not mowing lawns.

Reckless

5th July 2014, 18:42

The GPs have been on Sommet for a while now. It's just a small thing but they won't switch to the Moto 3 race while an AFL match is in progress, last time they missed some major drama with both Miller and Fenati crashing before they crossed IIRC. Fenati obliged by crashing again though so we didn't miss out completely.

What Sommet do offer is better than anything else that's freely available though, and there has been some great racing.

And do you really mow your lawn around midnight?:whistle:

why I copy and paste some of the stuff off the moto GP site for those that don't have a subscription.
If its annoying anyone please say and i'll stop :)

Erelyes

5th July 2014, 19:06

why I copy and paste some of the stuff off the moto GP site for those that don't have a subscription.
If its annoying anyone please say and i'll stop :)

Carry on sir :niceone:

actungbaby

6th July 2014, 00:09

I think CC would be a mistake for Suzuki. Go with Dovi (better than CC anyway) and a young hard charger like Jack

Have to agree they all said dovi wasint up to it, when honda had the 3 hrc bikes.

But to my mind guys so consistant and always does his best never seems complain.

He has made 3 diffrent bikes work for him so ideal guy to bring the suzuki up to speed.

I rekon need get Lorezo on a honda or of the yamaha not working for him way they changed it.

Way lawson went to honda . next year need a big shake up otherwise be mm procession again.

pritch

6th July 2014, 10:18

But to my mind guys so consistant and always does his best never seems complain.

I rekon need get Lorezo on a honda or of the yamaha not working for him way they changed it.

Dovi wasn't happy last year, this year it's likely resignation has set in. He probably says a prayer each night asking for the new bike to be a winner.

Crutchlow is new to the problems so is more affected. Plus he has had mechanical failures. His complaints that he can't get comfortable on the bike and it can't be adjusted to fit him, plus the usual steering problems echo what Rossi said earlier so it's not just him. His public comments may not be doing him any favours though, and if he doesn't shut up Crazy Joe might get his ride.

A large part of Lorenzo's problem is the new Bridgestones, that and the new fuel conserving measures which make the Yamahas power arrive in a more abrupt manner.
Funny how things change, last year he was the only real threat to MM. Not this year so far, not close.

Suzuki have a history of providing only limited resources to team, there are already comments that this is happening again. I'm not sure if a Suzuki contract is going to be quite the catch it would seem.

Shaun Harris

6th July 2014, 10:46

Dovi wasn't happy last year, this year it's likely resignation has set in. He probably says a prayer each night asking for the new bike to be a winner.

Crutchlow is new to the problems so is more affected. Plus he has had mechanical failures. His complaints that he can't get comfortable on the bike and it can't be adjusted to fit him, plus the usual steering problems echo what Rossi said earlier so it's not just him. His public comments may not be doing him any favours though, and if he doesn't shut up Crazy Joe might get his ride.

A large part of Lorenzo's problem is the new Bridgestones, that and the new fuel conserving measures which make the Yamahas power arrive in a more abrupt manner.
Funny how things change, last year he was the only real threat to MM. Not this year so far, not close.

Suzuki have a history of providing only limited resources to team, there are already comments that this is happening again. I'm not sure if a Suzuki contract is going to be quite the catch it would seem.

Suzuki have won the champs a few times and they were as small then as they are now, ( The smallest of all them) so I truly believe with the write rider they could be up there again

Berries

6th July 2014, 10:52

actungbaby

6th July 2014, 23:01

Dovi wasn't happy last year, this year it's likely resignation has set in. He probably says a prayer each night asking for the new bike to be a winner.

yes i agree i didnt mean the bike was good but seems get the best out of bad design

Crutchlow is new to the problems so is more affected. Plus he has had mechanical failures. His complaints that he can't get comfortable on the bike and it can't be adjusted to fit him, plus the usual steering problems echo what Rossi said earlier so it's not just him. His public comments may not be doing him any favours though, and if he doesn't shut up Crazy Joe might get his ride.

yeah like carl but i rekon very poor to be running mouth off like he is
I mean he was warned about the bike cant see him wanting to stay next year

A large part of Lorenzo's problem is the new Bridgestones, that and the new fuel conserving measures which make the Yamahas power arrive in a more abrupt manner.
Funny how things change, last year he was the only real threat to MM. Not this year so far, not close.

yeah am honda fan boy but i really admire Lorenzo. he got guts look last year and of course

these guys are all crazy talented i thought he may swtich but seems , just read where dani staying with hrc again which is great

Suzuki have a history of providing only limited resources to team, there are already comments that this is happening again. I'm not sure if a Suzuki contract is going to be quite the catch it would seem.[/QUOTE]
Yes i read barry sheenes book yes seems got there own way of working do some brizare

things just to be diffrent it seems just thought dovi consistant pace you know he can ride fast enough to devlop the bike . then get hotshot kid as a team mate from moto 2 .

pritch

8th July 2014, 23:20

Shaun Harris

8th July 2014, 23:26

Well boys and girls we are in for a busy night. The German GP Sunday night on Sommet from 9.00PM.
Then WSBK at Laguna Seca from 5.30AM Monday on Sky Sport 1.

It's a tough life working in the paddock. There are already complaints about American airport officialdom, airliners with no individual TVs, and one person just wondering why he is at the airport waiting to board an aircraft yet again. That latter thought should only occur in the latter stages of a career? I hope the events of the weekend cheer him up.

And with the WSB being at Laguna, the usa domestic series will be racing also. BUT NO TV coverage of there races, man in a country the size of the USA that is total bull shit, worse than what we see officuals do or not do here

pritch

9th July 2014, 09:44

And with the WSB being at Laguna, the usa domestic series will be racing also. BUT NO TV coverage of there races, man in a country the size of the USA that is total bull shit, worse than what we see officuals do or not do here

There have been a lot of words written about the decline of AMA racing which apparently is but a shadow of its former self with very few races in a season.
I wasn't paying much attention as while it's sad I'm not involved. If anyone wants to know more you could scroll back through Backmarker's blogs or just search Google, or DuckDuckGo, if like me, you don't like your every move being tracked for commercial gain.

http://www.backmarker-bikewriter.blogspot.co.nz

Badjelly

9th July 2014, 11:19

http://www.backmarker-bikewriter.blogspot.co.nz

I followed your link expecting to read something about the AMA and cam across the most gloriously bitchy take-down of an ex-colleague I have ever seen. Rossi vs Stoner had nothing on this. There seem to be posts about motorcycling on the blog too. Gold!

pritch

9th July 2014, 11:59

I followed your link expecting to read something about the AMA and cam across the most gloriously bitchy take-down of an ex-colleague I have ever seen. Rossi vs Stoner had nothing on this. There seem to be posts about motorcycling on the blog too. Gold!

Scroll back far enough you should find his thoughts on the AMA, on sharing a motel with multiple prostitutes, and the Mont Blanc tunnel disaster.
He is one of the better writers on matters motorcycling IMHO. He doesn't just do bitchy, although he doesn't really like the "live to ride, ride to live - Duck Dynasty reject" Harley types.

If you like good writing this guy is also worth following, although he writes only occasionally: http://www.bikesandbuddies.com
He writes of the Harley set, no racing there.

Oscar

9th July 2014, 12:24

denill

9th July 2014, 12:45

I followed your link expecting to read something about the AMA and cam across the most gloriously bitchy take-down of an ex-colleague I have ever seen. Rossi vs Stoner had nothing on this. There seem to be posts about motorcycling on the blog too. Gold!

Yeah, don't hold back!

But of course if the guy is an arsehole when he's alive, he just becomes a dead arsehole when he dies :msn-wink:

pritch

9th July 2014, 23:11

Reported tonight that DP has signed for two more years with Honda.

Reckless

10th July 2014, 00:01

You got it Pritch confirmation on MotoGP

Honda Racing Corporation sign Pedrosa until end of 2016
Wednesday, 9 July 2014
Honda Racing Corporation is pleased to officially announce an agreement has been reached with Dani Pedrosa that will see the Spanish rider remain in the factory Honda team for a further two years, until the end of 2016.
Pedrosa, who currently lies third in the World Championship – level on points with second placed Valentino Rossi – as the season reaches the halfway point, will extend his contract with Honda with whom he has raced in the World Championship since 2001.

Pedrosa is a three time World Champion (2003 in 125cc, 2004 and 2005 in 250cc) and made his debut in MotoGP™ in 2006 in the Repsol Honda Team, claiming the Rookie of the Year title and fifth position in the Championship. He has been both runner up and third in the premier class on six occasions (three each).

Shuhei Nakamoto, HRC Executive Vice President, commented, “We are very pleased to renew our contract with Dani. He is enjoying a very strong season and is currently tied with Rossi in the Championship, we are very happy with his performance. The partnership of Dani and Marc (Marquez) has proven to be successful and we look forward to another two years of success.”

Pedrosa added, “I'm very happy to be able to announce my renewal with the Repsol Honda Team, and grateful to Honda for the trust they have shown in me for a further two years. It’s the best way for me to continue in my racing career, together with the company I was with in my very first race. I am very excited to give my 100% and continue to work together with everyone at Honda Racing Corporation.

Shaun Harris

10th July 2014, 08:17

Now for Lorenzo to sign for Suzuki

roogazza

10th July 2014, 08:37

Scroll back far enough you should find his thoughts on the AMA, on sharing a motel with multiple prostitutes, and the Mont Blanc tunnel disaster.
He is one of the better writers on matters motorcycling IMHO. He doesn't just do bitchy, although he doesn't really like the "live to ride, ride to live - Duck Dynasty reject" Harley types.

If you like good writing this guy is also worth following, although he writes only occasionally: http://www.bikesandbuddies.com
He writes of the Harley set, no racing there.

Cheers pritch, we seem to cruise the same sites, ,thanks for posting.

pritch

10th July 2014, 09:10

Now for Lorenzo to sign for Suzuki

Or Ducati? :laugh:

EsP was reportedly somewhat dismayed at the new two year contract Rossi signed. Similarly Redding almost immediately expressed concern at DP getting a two year contract. If JL signs with Yamaha for two years thats all the top seats tied up for the foreseeable future.

The young chargers had better keep their fingers crossed that Ducati and Suzuki can bring some serious competition to the party.

pritch

10th July 2014, 09:17

Cheers pritch, we seem to cruise the same sites, ,thanks for posting.

That www.bikesandbuddies.com site has the option for you to be sent an email when he posts a new story. That's a good idea as he writes infrequently.

Bender

10th July 2014, 12:15

The young chargers had better keep their fingers crossed that Ducati and Suzuki can bring some serious competition to the party.

You're not wrong - with all the seats at Yamaha and Honda tied up for the next two years the racing has the potential to become processional with only four riders having the machinery and talent to get on the podium. I'd surely like to see Aleix Esparagus get a factory ride and there are two or three other younger riders who could be as explosive as Marquez has been - but there aren't going to be any bikes for them to ride.

This is made worse by the fact that the TV cameras only ever follow the top few bikes - we don't get to see much of the red-hot racing further down the field.

jasonu

10th July 2014, 14:54

This is made worse by the fact that the TV cameras only ever follow the top few bikes - we don't get to see much of the red-hot racing further down the field.

That is because in most of this seasons events there has been some of the best action up the front for years. Plus who really cares who comes 8th or 10th?

roogazza

10th July 2014, 15:51

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/206534/1/happy-rossi-heads-to-sachsenring.html

I hear it's a top GP to attend,but you have to book.
'Bucket List' ??

pritch

10th July 2014, 18:51

who really cares who comes 8th or 10th?

Their sponsors?

roogazza

11th July 2014, 09:27

http://www.motomatters.com/press_release/2014/07/10/2014_sachsenring_motogp_preview_press_re.html

As per the first comment one of the Duc riders is talking about his understeer before FP1 has started.
Most just comment how short the race track is.

Should be good for Hayden with all the left hand turns ??? lol.
Must get on the PlayStation and tune up ! :cool:

MVnut

11th July 2014, 10:55

There is a lot happening at Ducati and I think they will have competitive machinery by the end of 2014, bring on 2015, a real 3 way Honda/Yamaha/Ducati scrap would be great........Suzuki I think will not be on the boil

Shaun Harris

11th July 2014, 11:11

Bender

11th July 2014, 11:17

That is because in most of this seasons events there has been some of the best action up the front for years. Plus who really cares who comes 8th or 10th?

Most of the races have been processional after the first five laps. Plus, it's easy to cover both ends of the field - the WSBK guys do it well.

MVnut

11th July 2014, 11:38

Most of the races have been processional after the first five laps. Plus, it's easy to cover both ends of the field - the WSBK guys do it well.

Also because bikes are all so reliable now, when was the last time you saw one blow up? Longer races with compulsory refuelling/pitstops for tyres etc would be good.....none of this bike swap shit

roogazza

11th July 2014, 12:26

Also because bikes are all so reliable now, when was the last time you saw one blow up? Longer races with compulsory refuelling/pitstops for tyres etc would be good.....none of this bike swap shit
Just an opinion,but I'm not a fan of Endurance type races,pit stop wins etc.
Assen had some good wet racing but apart from that ?
Probably why I didn't show much interest in 6 hour races.(only went in two cos I was asked).
Wonder how the right side of the tyre handles Sachsenring this time?
That very fast right after all the lefts must be very scarey.

Shaun Harris

11th July 2014, 12:44

Just an opinion,but I'm not a fan of Endurance type races,pit stop wins etc.
Assen had some good wet racing but apart from that ?
Probably why I didn't show much interest in 6 hour races.(only went in two cos I was asked).
Wonder how the right side of the tyre handles Sachsenring this time?
That very fast right after all the lefts must be very scarey.

Endurance style of races and the way Motogp is operating with wet bike changes is are bullshit and boring to me, too many things can wrong which change the race, so the race becomes a race in the pits only and not out on track rider to rider totally as it should be.

Bender

11th July 2014, 13:37

Endurance style of races and the way Motogp is operating with wet bike changes is are bullshit and boring to me, too many things can wrong which change the race, so the race becomes a race in the pits only and not out on track rider to rider totally as it should be.

I agree with you Sean. I want the fastest rider on the best bike - not the pit crew who got lucky because of a safety car intervention or because the pit lane limiter was wrong and the rider went .005km/h too fast down the pit lane. Fuck that.

pritch

11th July 2014, 16:59

That very fast right after all the lefts must be very scarey.

Too right, 'specially for a guy who hasn't ridden the Sachsenring previously. Redding says he is excited by the track, I wish him luck.

I was looking for the article Oxley wrote about that corner (Turn 11?) but couldn't find it. I think the track has recently been modified, but haven't yet seen a description of what has been done. Maybe it'll get a mention on the Practice coverage tonight?

Hope it stays dry this time.

steveyb

11th July 2014, 17:39

A bit of a story on MotoMatters at the moment regarding Loi, MvdS and the Kalex KTM.

http://motomatters.com/press_release/2014/07/07/marc_vds_press_release_michael_barthol_m.html

Loi complaining of not being able to turn the bike or having poor confidence in the front end.

If you look, he has the same upright sticky outy style as Colin Edwards, who by coincidence (???) also struggles with the new bikes.

As pointed out by Ian Wheeler (PR person for MvdS team) Loi's style is "static, channeling Mike Hailwood".

As stated also by Wheeler, this style is totally at odds with those styles used by the boys at the front of the championship and as implied by him, this could be (is?) the problem. Perhaps the Kalex-KTM is not as good as it could be, but it is not that bad.

I have made comment about riding styles here before. The modern GP bike, chassis, suspensions, tyre combinations in all classes reward, nay, demand this style, where you very actively use your upper body mass to balance the mass into the bike. Sitting on top, or sticking your arse out simply no longer works. Loi will be hamstrung by this if he does not change.

Young riders looking to get onto 125GP/Pre-Moto3 bikes need to watch very closely and learn how to do this.

roogazza

12th July 2014, 06:56

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Jul/140711qmachine.htm

First day and a few getoffs including MM who went on to record fastest time.

BMWST?

12th July 2014, 08:45

speights_bud

12th July 2014, 09:40

Did anyone else notice the disc guards added on the Honda? I dont know if this is new but its the first time I have seen it?

Stop them cooling too much? safety/burns? ideas?

pritch

12th July 2014, 09:58

Agreed,and the two fastest guys on motogp bikes use(d) the most extreme version of that style,Stoner and Marquez

I don't remember Stoner as being that far off the bike. Until Marquez came along Tony Elias had the most extreme off-the-bike style. Now that Marquez is doing it and winning everybody is doing it. With the notable exception of Livio Loi apparently. Then again if he doesn't find a major improvement we may not be seeing much more of him.

Bit of a piss off that there was no commentary during FP1 so we're still in the dark as to track mods at the Sachsenring.

There is talk of a rule change regarding the minimum age at which riders can compete in Moto3. Currently riders must be sixteen at the start of the season. The guy who won the Spanish Championship last year, and who is leading it this year, will still not be sixteen at the start of next season. I think this is Fabio Quartararo? To permit him to ride Moto3 in 2015 the rule may be changed so that riders turning sixteen during the season can enter.

steveyb

12th July 2014, 10:26

Casey most certainly used his upper body weight to balance the bike in turns. Perhaps he did not get off the bike as extremely as Marquez does, but it was there.
You just need to watch Marc very closely in the slower turns. Sachsenring is a good place to see this. As he gets to the slower parts he is able to dip his body just a bit more, or not, as needed, to turn the bike just a bit more, or not. No massive steering inputs, just dipping the body (which induces the steering input while doing that). Other riders who commit to a body position and location don't have that choice up their sleeves.
It also allows Marc to turn the bike very quickly in the middle of the turn and get on the gas early. Other riders are still trying to match him with smooth lines and corner speed. Horses for courses in many respects, and machines play a big part in what you can do with them, but his rider/machine combo is working well it would seem. Maybe not so well this weekend now that he has a tweeked neck and a bang on the head.

Have a good look at Edwards too, if they every show him again that is. All upright and straight arms out in the breeze, real '90's stuff.

The track mod at T11 was only a test and it seems the riders thought that it was no good as it caused even greater lean angles than the track the way it is.

Would be interesting to see the Moto3 rule change. I think it would make sense to change it that way. Quatararo is pretty good by all accounts.

MVnut

12th July 2014, 10:39

As pointed out by Ian Wheeler (PR person for MvdS team) Loi's style is "static, channeling Mike Hailwood".
.
Mike was a Superman on Two Wheels!....No-one can copy him ! He could do things on a bike mere mortals (and even todays Aliens) can only dream of.

the two fastest guys on motogp bikes, Stoner and Marquez
Who the fuck is Stoner?

Crasherfromwayback

12th July 2014, 11:30

Did anyone else notice the disc guards added on the Honda? I dont know if this is new but its the first time I have seen it?

Stop them cooling too much? safety/burns? ideas?

Maybe to keep some heat into them at this particular track? But if you saw MM's bin (fucking huge and he could've broken his neck if you saw the ankle of his head when he hit the deck)..the bike looked to have ridden him again...so my well be for safety's sake too?

Who the fuck is Stoner?

My ex.

BMWST?

12th July 2014, 13:22

I don't remember Stoner as being that far off the bike. Until Marquez came along Tony Elias had the most extreme off-the-bike style. Now that Marquez is doing it and winning everybody is doing it. With the notable exception of Livio Loi apparently. Then again if he doesn't find a major improvement we may not be seeing much more of him.

Bit of a piss off that there was no commentary during FP1 so we're still in the dark as to track mods at the Sachsenring.

There is talk of a rule change regarding the minimum age at which riders can compete in Moto3. Currently riders must be sixteen at the start of the season. The guy who won the Spanish Championship last year, and who is leading it this year, will still not be sixteen at the start of next season. I think this is Fabio Quartararo? To permit him to ride Moto3 in 2015 the rule may be changed so that riders turning sixteen during the season can enter.
He sorta kept parrallel yo the bike but was well of to the side,and wwll forward to,perhaps grim the ducati days

roogazza

12th July 2014, 13:48

ellipsis

12th July 2014, 14:07

the ankle of his head

...he is an alien then...

Crasherfromwayback

12th July 2014, 14:20

...he is an alien then...

Lol. Tis what you get when you get that badly bent out of shape!

speights_bud

12th July 2014, 14:41

Maybe to keep some heat into them at this particular track? But if you saw MM's bin (fucking huge and he could've broken his neck if you saw the ankle of his head when he hit the deck)..the bike looked to have ridden him again...so my well be for safety's sake too?

My ex.

Yea after watching some of the press conference stufff the riders mentioned that there wasn't too much hard braking here so I'm leaning towards to keep them up at operating temperature.

I have however seen a pit crew burn themselves on brake discs when catching a bike from the front. It took me a while to figure out why I always had grubby legs after scrutineering bikes too...

ellipsis

12th July 2014, 14:42

...he does seem to have tried to test his bike leaving skills on a few practice sessions this year, he stays on for the main event though...hope it remains like that...

Crasherfromwayback

12th July 2014, 14:46

.

I have however seen a pit crew burn themselves on brake discs when catching a bike from the front. It took me a while to figure out why I always had grubby legs after scrutineering bikes too...

Had a very young kid grab one of my disc rotors right after a race despite me telling his father to keep his kid away from the bike as it was as hot as fuck. Boy did he squeal. Doubt he'll do it again but.

...he does seem to have tried to test his bike leaving skills on a few practice sessions this year, he stays on for the main event though...hope it remains like that...

Fucking lucky he hasn't broken anything so far. He's certainly had some huge offs! He's like the Indian Rubber Man though.

speights_bud

12th July 2014, 14:57

Uncle Google found me an article about the Carbon Discs

"...On faster tracks, where the brakes aren't used either regularly or heavily, the discs can be cooled considerably by airflow. To combat this loss of heat, some teams run shrouds at the front of the disc to improve the brake response in low ambient temperatures and/or on light braking circuits. The brake covers do not retain the heat in the brake as the carbon cools rapidly; they simply slow the cooling process down by flowing the air around the disc instead of over it..."

http://www.1000rr.net/forums/1000rr-general-discussion/6840-motogp-carbon-brakes-101-little-background.html

speights_bud

12th July 2014, 19:59

FP3 No live commentary again??

FIXED IT, had to refresh the window to bring it up as an option after the moto2/3

pritch

12th July 2014, 23:14

There was recently a fatality in this country as a result of a school boy receiving a head injury in a rugby match. Sports head injuries are topical, and not just in this country.

I've heard the commentators say that in SBK if a rider's helmet is scratched after an off they don't ride again that day. That seems a bit extreme.

Marquez came in to the pits after a high side in which he landed on his head/neck, hopped straight onto his other bike and went out on the track again. That though seems a bit too loose. This has become a topic of discussion.

While the SBK precaution may be a bit over the odds, I agree with those who think that following a major off a rider should be cleared by the medical staff before going back on track. It might be better if TPTB review this before a major incident, rather than as part of the fall out following a tragedy.

A MotoGP bike is no place for someone whose head isn't right.

Shaun Harris

13th July 2014, 12:01

A MAJOR MAJOR accident is coming with the Moto3 grid very soon, they all follow for the slip stream effect and lots of them just randomly shut off and slow down, there are a shit load of others behind them that are looking behind themselves with the throttle still open, there is going to be a major rear end accident very fukin soon if this is not soughted ASAP

This round has been very dangerous in this regard from what I have watched so far

pritch

13th July 2014, 13:51

Two people have been named as having been killed in a sidecar accident at the Sachsenring. Details are still sketchy but Mat oxley reports their names as Hock and Becker.

Crasherfromwayback

13th July 2014, 15:21

Two people have been named as having been killed in a sidecar accident at the Sachsenring. Details are still sketchy but Mat oxley reports their names as Hock and Becker.

Fucking stink buzz.

BMWST?

13th July 2014, 19:16

mulletman

14th July 2014, 01:27

Well that was one of the most craziest starts ive ever seen in MotoGP, looked good for the home crowd for the first few laps...then back to normal.

pritch

14th July 2014, 08:46

Yeah was so stuffed up it looked really interesting. Although very hairy as most of the field crowded into a very small space.

Bradl's rather puzzling performance is accounted for by his having a bet both ways. He had slicks fitted but he had wet suspension settings, which meant his bike was performing like a pogo stick.

steveyb

14th July 2014, 11:24

Fenati did.a stoner on a rider who was doing a wheelie on the start finish straight

Yeah, I think it was Ferrari or his team mate Loccatelli. He truly had no idea why Fenati was giving him the tap.
Was a pretty rookie thing to be doing at that point of the track and proceedings.
Pity Fenati binned it in the race, hope he is OK, didn't look to flash.

BMWST?

14th July 2014, 11:33

Yeah, I think it was Ferrari or his team mate Loccatelli. He truly had no idea why Fenati was giving him the tap.
Was a pretty rookie thing to be doing at that point of the track and proceedings.
Pity Fenati binned it in the race, hope he is OK, didn't look to flash.
Who ever it was was.officially sanctioned,a penalty point I think

Shaun Harris

14th July 2014, 11:53

Fenati did.a stoner on a rider who was doing a wheelie on the start finish straight

Good on him too, That rider doing the fuk around wheelie needs his head read

Bender

14th July 2014, 11:53

Bizarre race. Not one of the finest vintage, I'd say.

Good one from Crutchlow at last. Lorenzo too, and Iannone.

Five crashes from Bradley Smith - I'd say that will be the end of him at Tech 3.

Bradl needed a good result to secure his position and instead gets one of his worst results of the year - OK it was his team's fault but he needs a good one at the next race.

BMWST?

14th July 2014, 15:53

Poor work by bradls team imho a half arsed effort that didnt even seem to work as a damp set up
Jlo seems to have found something that move on VR out rossied Rossi!

merv

14th July 2014, 22:54

I'm surprised how posters on Motomatters and crash.net are moaning on about boring racing. They are clearly just not Honda fans, but that aside the racing has been fantastic in my view with all these funny things happening but still Marquez pulls it out of the bag.

I mentioned many pages back on this thread how some rose tinted glasses are just so screwed up because the gap between the best and the worst these days is so close compared to the "good old days of the 500s". Riders were getting lapped back then and close racing wasn't regularly the norm, yet somehow people are talking like everyone was on equal machinery etc etc then and now they're not when there are only 4 decent factory bikes. Yeah like Mick Doohan's Honda was the same as the rest and Wayne Rainey's Yamaha was the same as the other Yamahas.

The best riders always get the good contracts on the best bikes so nothing has changed.

Enjoy the rest of the season after the break :woohoo:

Shaun Harris

15th July 2014, 08:50

The best riders always get the good contracts on the best bikes so nothing has changed.

Enjoy the rest of the season after the break :woohoo:

Exactually

pritch

15th July 2014, 09:57

The best riders always get the good contracts on the best bikes so nothing has changed.

When I first became interested in GPs, if your name wasn't John Surtees you had no chance of winning. In the '59? Ulster GP Allan Shepherd actually ran him close so MV protested the AJS and it was measured. It was OK. Surtees later commented that the 350 MV had less advantage over the Brit singles than the 500.

A few years later there followed a purple patch when Honda started running against the MVs and there was actually some real racing. Then that period of delightful insanity that produced 50cc twins, 125 fours and a 250 six.

More recently, in the final years of 250s Aprilia were pretty much deciding who would be championship contenders before the season started. Not quite as bad as when Ago had the only MV but...

While the current situation may not be perfect, things have been a whole lot worse. We can but hope Ducati and/or Suzuki can be competitive.

DidJit

15th July 2014, 13:02

Is a perfect season (http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/07/14/german-grand-prix-wrap-up-from-sachsenring-motogp-racing-review-analysis/?src=SOC&dom=tw) on the cards for Márquez?

GD66

15th July 2014, 19:28

Very much so ! It's been done twice before, but luckily for us there are still a handful of opponents just busting to break the streak...:scooter:

speights_bud

15th July 2014, 22:09

While watching the last race I couldn't help but think about Dani getting a little told off if he was to tarnish the unbeatable Marquez name.
Honda must be enjoying having this status so much right now and it was hard no to think about 'Team orders' and Dani 'Knowing his place'

16th July 2014, 07:59

I'm sure this has been discussed many times but I can't find it by search.

I've heard different explanations as to why riders dangle their inside leg out as they enter a corner. I assume it has some sort of settling effect on the suspension. It still looks ODD! The more I see of it in GP the more it looks to achieve nothing, if anything the bikes seem to squirm even more on corner entry. Rather than start another thread I'm sure the followers of this MotoGP thread will have the answers. KBers always do.

Edit- Doh. Mistyped the title danfle. EDIT again - fixed the fan dangled mistype

BMWST?

16th July 2014, 08:19

Some say it gets a bit more weight inside and foward when the rider is more pr less on the centre of the bike
VR started it I think.

Bender

16th July 2014, 08:59

A few interesting things being reported.

MotoMatters (usually a credible source of info) is saying that Marque Marquez is going to ride both Moto2 and MotoGP at Valencia.

Suzuki seats going to be taken by Maveric Vinales and either Dovi or Crutchlow.

Aleix Espargaro to Ducati (noooooooooooooo).

Leaves both Forward racing seats free (mind you, their competitiveness may be dented when they have to use their own frames, rather than the Yamaha ones, next year).

Interesting indeed.

roogazza

16th July 2014, 09:03

I'm sure this has been discussed many times but I can't find it by search.

I've heard different explanations as to why riders dangle their inside leg out as they enter a corner. I assume it has some sort of settling effect on the suspension. It still looks ODD! The more I see of it in GP the more it looks to achieve nothing, if anything the bikes seem to squirm even more on corner entry. Rather than start another thread I'm sure the followers of this MotoGP thread will have the answers. KBers always do.
Sorta got used to it now, but not a fan myself, much prefer the classic approach.
ps Getting out much over winter bud ?

16th July 2014, 09:42

Funny thing I tried it once to see what hanging me leg out would do. It just felt so wrong and unsettling. Bloody scary really, entering a corner fast is when I want to have full control over the bike, this dangling ya leg just gives you a 'oh shit' moment.

Gazza, I've not been out in ages. Wet and cold winter or my aging bones maybe? Also trying to sell the house to move up your way so weekends are full on busy. The MV will get a flat battery if I'm not careful from lack of use.

Dave-

16th July 2014, 10:20

Try doing skids on a mountain bike with your inside leg out.

You can balance right on the edge of the skid.

I think this is similar control to what the GP guys want (without the skids) though I could be wrong, just what I've played with.

Souther flags

16th July 2014, 10:32

Have been told it is to increase air break afect. As a flag marshal , it appears to turn thebike early . Often before the bike tips into the corner.

Mental Trousers

16th July 2014, 10:34

I've heard different explanations as to why riders dangle their inside leg out as they enter a corner. I assume it has some sort of settling effect on the suspension. It still looks ODD! The more I see of it in GP the more it looks to achieve nothing, if anything the bikes seem to squirm even more on corner entry. Rather than start another thread I'm sure the followers of this MotoGP thread will have the answers. KBers always do.

It seems to do a bunch of things

lowers the CoG and moves it rearward
helps stop the rear end lifting
keeps the bike glued to the outside leg, then the outside leg is used to pull the bike over on it's side, ie more leverage
the rider tends to ride further back in the seat otherwise they aren't able to keep their outside leg jammed into the tank
gets riders weight inside the line of the bike

I think you'll find riding style is why Crutchlow is having such a shit of a time trying to ride the Ducati while Dovi is getting Ducati's best results since Stoner. The rearward and lower CoG waving the leg around causes is not what the Ducati needs as it's CoG is already too low and rearward. Great for exit drive but it plows the front when trying to turn.

pritch

16th July 2014, 11:32

It seems to do a bunch of things

I think you'll find riding style is why Crutchlow is having such a shit of a time trying to ride the Ducati

I have seen several explanations as to why they dangle a foot but yours probably covers the lot.

Crutchlow commented about crashing on the same corner two years in succession at the Sachsenring. He said that on the Ducati he was going 30kph slower than he was on the Yamaha last year, yet still he crashed. That wouldn't do much for anybody's confidence.

Mental Trousers

16th July 2014, 11:56

Crutchlow commented about crashing on the same corner two years in succession at the Sachsenring. He said that on the Ducati he was going 30kph slower than he was on the Yamaha last year, yet still he crashed. That wouldn't do much for anybody's confidence.

He rides it like it's a Superbike. The Yamaha could be tuned to use that sort of riding style because things like weight distribution, CoG etc are roughly similar to a Superbike and the M1 is an alrounder anyway. But the Ducati's weight distribution and CoG are nothing like anything he's ridden before so it needs a totally different riding style.

Dovi's riding style is much more weight-forward so the changes he had to make to ride the Ducati are much smaller.

jasonu

16th July 2014, 13:15

A few interesting things being reported.

MotoMatters (usually a credible source of info) is saying that Marque Marquez is going to ride both Moto2 and MotoGP at Valencia.

Interesting indeed.

I don't imagine HRC would think much of this idea. Wouldn't they want their golden boy wrapped in bubble wrap until..... forever?

Mental Trousers

16th July 2014, 13:18

MotoMatters (usually a credible source of info) is saying that Marque Marquez is going to ride both Moto2 and MotoGP at Valencia.

I thought there were rules against riding in more than one class. Something about getting more riders in rather than having the same guys take all the prime rides.

BMWST?

16th July 2014, 13:20

If he has an unassailable points lead I cant see why they would mind.whose bike /spot on the grid will he use?

Reckless

16th July 2014, 22:32

Surgery on both arms for Crutchlow
Wednesday, 16 July 2014
Cal Crutchlow underwent successful surgery on both arms on Tuesday in Barcelona at the Universitario Quiron Dexeus Hospital.

Crutchlow stayed at the hospital overnight on Tuesday and will head back to England on Wednesday having had surgery to relieve arm pump (compartment syndrome) on both forearms. Specialist Dr. Xavier Mir undertook the operation.

The English rider has previously suffered with the muscular problem which is common in MotoGP™ riders, and has been operated on once on his left forearm and three times on the right. On the right arm incisions were made to release pressure on the muscle, whilst ‘mesenchymal cells’ have been implanted to prevent future formation of liquid.

Dr. Mir confirmed that the necessity for surgery on the right arm had already been acknowledged with the rider after scans in May, but it was decided to wait until the ‘summer break’ in the MotoGP season to go ahead with the surgery. It was also decided on Tuesday to operate on the left forearm.

It is expected that Crutchlow will be ready for the Red Bull Indianapolis Grand Prix early in August, though whether he will arrive at round 10 completely recovered from the double surgery remains to be seen.

299238

DidJit

17th July 2014, 09:10

Silly season update (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/16/the_comprehensive_midsummer_motogp_silly.html)...

HenryDorsetCase

17th July 2014, 10:38

I think you'll find riding style is why Crutchlow is having such a shit of a time trying to ride the Ducati while Dovi is getting Ducati's best results since Stoner. .

and yet beaten by Crazy Joe at the weekend. I CBF googling but I think its at least the second time this season the satellite Duc has spanked both the factory ones. That has to sting a bit.

HenryDorsetCase

17th July 2014, 10:39

I don't imagine HRC would think much of this idea. Wouldn't they want their golden boy wrapped in bubble wrap until..... forever?

They encouraged Freddie to do it all those years ago.. for a whole freakin' season.

Shaun Harris

17th July 2014, 10:43

I thought there were rules against riding in more than one class. Something about getting more riders in rather than having the same guys take all the prime rides.

I believe there is rules against a double entry also

Oscar

17th July 2014, 10:54

I thought there were rules against riding in more than one class. Something about getting more riders in rather than having the same guys take all the prime rides.

There are.
One class only for a long time...

pritch

17th July 2014, 11:24

If he has an unassailable points lead I cant see why they would mind.whose bike /spot on the grid will he use?

Doesn't matter which grid spot he uses, the result will likely be the same.

If he wants to race two classes, they'll change the rules so he can. They already changed the rules so that he could go straight from Moto2 to the Repsol team.
For a few years previously this would not have been permitted under what became known as the "Spies rule", but MM is MM and is Spanish so...

roogazza

17th July 2014, 11:43

There are.
One class only for a long time...
What's more of a worry is where Crasher is lately.
Last post I saw, I figure he's 'in love' ??? and fully occupied ? :lol: :drool:

Shaun Harris

17th July 2014, 12:07

What's more of a worry is where Crasher is lately.
Last post I saw, I figure he's 'in love' ??? and fully occupied ? :lol: :drool:

Happens to old Harley racers man

HenryDorsetCase

17th July 2014, 12:43

Doesn't matter which grid spot he uses, the result will likely be the same.

If he wants to race two classes, they'll change the rules so he can. They already changed the rules so that he could go straight from Moto2 to the Repsol team.
For a few years previously this would not have been permitted under what became known as the "Spies rule", but MM is MM and is Spanish so...

first three spots on the grid at Sachsenring. Not a coincidence.

roogazza

17th July 2014, 13:16

Happens to old Harley racers man
What discover vaginas ? lol.
Nah, probably just meeting targets selling shit ?? huh?

jasonu

17th July 2014, 13:49

They encouraged Freddie to do it all those years ago.. for a whole freakin' season.

But haven't the rules changed since then ie no riders cross class entries?

merv

17th July 2014, 19:58

What's more of a worry is where Crasher is lately.

He's still coming up for air in Facebook land so don't worry he's still alive.

merv

17th July 2014, 20:06

Boys trying the 2015 RC213V http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Jul/140716nna.htm

One comment - "highlighting corner speed improvements", does that mean they definitely will out George George (Jorge) next year?

Here there's some quicky videos http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/206823/1/marquez-pedrosa-make-debut-on-2015-honda.html

pritch

18th July 2014, 18:33

Have been catching up on Twitter:

Stoner went for a ride on a Honda F6C. "Loved it. Yes please." says Casey. Not what I'd have picked would have spun his wheels but...
http://driving.ca/honda/reviews/road-test/motorcycle-review-2014-honda-f6c-valkyrie

Crutchlow posted a pic of himself in the pool with his wife. Both heavily bandaged arms held aloft to keep things dry. (Compartment syndrome surgery)

Nicky Hayden has had some small bones removed from his wrist to give a greater range of movement.

There is starting to be some argument among commentators about the wisdom, or the lack thereof, of Jack Miller going straight to MotoGP. For them to be discussing this it's just possible somebody is actually considering it. I was unaware Matt Oxley had that much influence?

Bradders is holidaying in Monaco. Alright for some :-)

Mental Trousers

18th July 2014, 21:24

Stoner went for a ride on a Honda F6C. "Loved it. Yes please." says Casey. Not what I'd have picked would have spun his wheels but...
http://driving.ca/honda/reviews/road-test/motorcycle-review-2014-honda-f6c-valkyrie

Best way to turn the thing is by liberable use of the right hand. Why wouldn't he like it?

pritch

19th July 2014, 10:57

Why wouldn't he like it?

Many racers won't ride on the road, too dangerous. Rossi, Milandri, and some others had road bikes but the photos I've seen of the road bikes owned by racers tended to be more sporting. Or scooters. One Brit racer, Shakey Byrne IIRC, owns a custom Harley.

Some places in Oz you have to ride hours to find a bend, so depending on the topography where Stoner resides, a Valkyrie might be ideal. It'll make a change from model cars anyway.
It's also possible of course, that as a loyal former Honda employee, he was just indulging in PR speak?

Other "news" overnight: Suppo says that Honda have not signed Jack Miller to ride MotoGP. The rumours, however, persist.

Suzuki have reportedly reached agreement with Maverick Vinales to ride GPs in 2015. (The other half of Oxley's formula to beat Marquez.)

roogazza

19th July 2014, 13:16

Many racers won't ride on the road, too dangerous. Rossi, Milandri, and some others had road bikes but the photos I've seen of the road bikes owned by racers tended to be more sporting. Or scooters. One Brit racer, Shakey Byrne IIRC, owns a custom Harley.

Some places in Oz you have to ride hours to find a bend, so depending on the topography where Stoner resides, a Valkyrie might be ideal. It'll make a change from model cars anyway.
It's also possible of course, that as a loyal former Honda employee, he was just indulging in PR speak?

Other "news" overnight: Suppo says that Honda have not signed Jack Miller to ride MotoGP. The rumours, however, persist.

Suzuki have reportedly reached agreement with Maverick Vinales to ride GPs in 2015. (The other half of Oxley's formula to beat Marquez.)

Rossi has had an XJR1300 naked thing for a while.
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Thats my BMW pushbike next to the fence and the XJ behind it.
I was stalking him !

http://www.motomatters.com/blog/2014/07/16/guest_blog_mat_oxley_can_racing_ever_be_.html

Bender

19th July 2014, 14:05

Crasherfromwayback

19th July 2014, 19:44

What's more of a worry is where Crasher is lately.
Last post I saw, I figure he's 'in love' ??? and fully occupied ? :lol: :drool:

Here I am mate! Too busy stalking my future wife.

Happens to old Harley racers man

Nah. I dug pussy well before I raced diesels.

What discover vaginas ? lol.

Many many years ago.

He's still coming up for air in Facebook land so don't worry he's still alive.

Lol. Lucky I can breathe through my ears Merv!

pritch

19th July 2014, 20:50

Here I am mate! Too busy stalking my future wife.

Welcome back.

Crasherfromwayback

19th July 2014, 20:54

Welcome back.

Lol. Cheers! What have I missed?

Badjelly

19th July 2014, 23:35

Dovizioso re-signed with Dookatti.

Fixed that for you, :psst:

pritch

20th July 2014, 05:14

Crutchlow also to stay with Ducati, thus Ianone remains with Pramac? Google translate doesn't help with explaining the level of factory support Crazy Joe will get.

Rossi has said in an interview that he wants to race until he is 40.

Despite the Suppo denial, the hot rumour is that Miller has signed for three years with Honda. First two with LCR then Repsol. Wither the contract Marc VDS say they have? Oxley says he thought something was up when he saw Miller slap Nakamoto on the arse as the rider went past on a scooter(?).

Tardozzi says not one nut or bolt from the GP14 will be used in the GP15.
They are starting with a clean sheet of paper. All things considered, the best approach.

BMWST?

20th July 2014, 11:23

Woulda loved to see Vinales on a fast bike with a good team,at times his speed is phenomenal

roogazza

20th July 2014, 11:41

Here I am mate! Too busy stalking my future wife.
!
:blink: Jeeze ,I must be psychic ?
That sounds serious......... Nah good on ya.
(hope she likes bikes in the lounge ?)

yod

20th July 2014, 12:43

Despite the Suppo denial, the hot rumour is that Miller has signed for three years with Honda. First two with LCR then Repsol. Wither the contract Marc VDS say they have? Oxley says he thought something was up when he saw Miller slap Nakamoto on the arse as the rider went past on a scooter(?).

So Bradl is being binned or running two bikes? And I guess that means Dani's days are numbered...

Reckless

20th July 2014, 20:30

Woulda loved to see Vinales on a fast bike with a good team,at times his speed is phenomenal

There's reports Maverick has signed with Suzuki?? Was on the Gp site but just a repeat of the rumor reported by ?? I cant remember?

Pumba

20th July 2014, 20:35

.....And I guess that means Dani's days are numbered...

I am sure he was fully informed of Honda's plans when he signed (if the rumours are in fact true) his 2 year deal. And lets face it 2 years is along time in this business, anything might happen.....

BMWST?

20th July 2014, 21:28

Being reported: Maverick Vinales has one of the Suzuki rides. Dovizioso resigned with Dookatti.

Meanwhile Cal Crutchlow has apparently crashed his hospital bed, reportedly after the front castor wheels washed out on him. His recovery from the arm pump operation is going swimmingly after the physio told him the best exercise for this sort of thing is wanking.

There's reports Maverick has signed with Suzuki?? Was on the Gp site but just a repeat of the rumor reported by ?? I cant remember?
As above ,i hope he gets a fast bike and team

Crasherfromwayback

20th July 2014, 22:25

:blink: Jeeze ,I must be psychic ?
That sounds serious......... Nah good on ya.
(hope she likes bikes in the lounge ?)

Obviously! And yeah...she's down with that. I wouldn't even root her if she wasn't, let alone marry her mate.

pritch

21st July 2014, 09:38

So Bradl is being binned or running two bikes? And I guess that means Dani's days are numbered...

Not sure yet what's happening with Bradl, he was one of the riders picked to lose their ride. A shame because he has done about all that could be expected of a satellite rider really.

Dani has been a lucky boy. If Stoner hadn't quit he'd have lost his ride when Marquez came on board.

It looks as if ianone will get factory support, there is talk of a combined Ducati/Pramac paint job. Whatever that means... There is also talk of Ducati running four factory spec bikes to get more uniform feedback and speed up development.

HenryDorsetCase

21st July 2014, 10:40

Obviously! And yeah...she's down with that. I wouldn't even root her if she wasn't, let alone marry her mate.

Congratulations!

HenryDorsetCase

21st July 2014, 10:41

Not sure yet what's happening with Bradl, he was one of the riders picked to lose their ride. A shame because he has done about all that could be expected of a satellite rider really.

Dani has been a lucky boy. If Stoner hadn't quit he'd have lost his ride when Marquez came on board.

It looks as if ianone will get factory support, there is talk of a combined Ducati/Pramac paint job. Whatever that means... There is also talk of Ducati running four factory spec bikes to get more uniform feedback and speed up development.

Given the open bike beat both the factory bikes last weekend that might not be a good thing......

roogazza

21st July 2014, 11:05

Given the open bike beat both the factory bikes last weekend that might not be a good thing......
B grade factory bikes, with concessions !!! lol. :innocent:

codgyoleracer

21st July 2014, 21:41

Lol. Cheers! What have I missed?

9 from 9, not much really :-)

Crasherfromwayback

21st July 2014, 21:56

9 from 9, not much really :-)

Lol. Mate...just because I've been stalking my future wife, don't think for a minute I haven't been watching the GP's! Sheesh. I haven't totally lost the plot...

codgyoleracer

21st July 2014, 22:05

Telly in the bedroom then ?

pritch

21st July 2014, 23:45

An apparently normally reliable Spanish journo reports that EsA will be joining Vinales @ Suzuki.

roogazza

22nd July 2014, 07:27

Telly in the bedroom then ?
I have a picture in my head,it won't go away !
big screen on the wall.:laugh:299369

Bender

22nd July 2014, 08:09

Now that's funny.

Reckless

22nd July 2014, 08:56

Lol. Mate...just because I've been stalking my future wife, don't think for a minute I haven't been watching the GP's! Sheesh. I haven't totally lost the plot...

OK out with it Crasher who is this sexy bitch :headbang:

Crasherfromwayback

22nd July 2014, 09:42

OK out with it Crasher who is this sexy bitch :headbang:

Lol. The future Mrs McDonald is all. But for sure she's hell sexy!

pritch

22nd July 2014, 09:49

Offered without comment.

DidJit

22nd July 2014, 10:57

Silly season update (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/16/the_comprehensive_midsummer_motogp_silly.html)...

Updated update (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/21/silly_season_update_ducati_confirmed_suz.html). Seems you folk are all now au fait with Twitter and this is all old news...

denill

22nd July 2014, 12:18

Updated update (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/07/21/silly_season_update_ducati_confirmed_suz.html). Seems you folk are all now au fait with Twitter and this is all old news...

So, it loks like:

Repsol Honda
Dani Pedrosa 2016
Marc Marquez 2016

Movistar Yamaha
Valentino Rossi 2016
Jorge Lorenzo 2016 (option to leave after 2015)

Factory Ducati
Andrea Dovizioso 2016
Cal Crutchlow 2015

Pramac / Factory Ducati
Andrea Iannone 2015

Pramac Ducati
???

Suzuki
Aleix Espargaro ?
Maverick Viñales 2017

Aprilia?
Alvaro Bautista?
Eugene Laverty?

Monster Tech 3 Yamaha
Pol Espargaro 2015
???

Go&Fun Gresini Honda
Scott Redding 2015
???

Drive M7 Aspar
Nicky Hayden 2015
???

merv

22nd July 2014, 12:22

Telly in the bedroom then ? On the mirrored ceiling I presume :devil2:

pritch

22nd July 2014, 13:07

One thought on the silly season update:

There was one comment this morning that it's possible there will be six Ducatis entered, three in full factory spec. Which strikes ma as odd 'cause i'da thunk that with a new design they'd all be the same. Maybe they'll start out that way but Doviozo, Crutchlow,and Ianone get the new go-fast bits first.

There was also the comment that at the recent test the Suzuki was waaay off the pace, "The worst job ad ever". That would be a pity, if the rumourts are right they have a pair of talented riders.

Bender

22nd July 2014, 13:22

There was also the comment that at the recent test the Suzuki was waaay off the pace, "The worst job ad ever". That would be a pity, if the rumourts are right they have a pair of talented riders.

There has been speculation that Aleix Espargaro is signed for Suzuki - I seriously hope not because he's just so exciting to watch ride that I hoped he would get a competitive bike. The Suzi doesn't seem to be that, yet.

Shaun Harris

22nd July 2014, 13:31

There has been speculation that Aleix Espargaro is signed for Suzuki - I seriously hope not because he's just so exciting to watch ride that I hoped he would get a competitive bike. The Suzi doesn't seem to be that, yet.

The Suzuki will be 1.5 - 2 seconds a lap faster than current main tester is cutting on it

HenryDorsetCase

22nd July 2014, 14:03

The Suzuki will be 1.5 - 2 seconds a lap faster than current main tester is cutting on it

so still slower than a satellite Yamaha? or factory Ducati......

Reckless

22nd July 2014, 15:34

so still slower than a satellite Yamaha? or factory Ducati......

Also hope they dont under fund the whole effort like their past reputation suggests?

BMWST?

22nd July 2014, 22:26

Also hope they dont under fund the whole effort like their past reputation suggests?

The suzuki will be the slowest of the factory/satelite bikes.How can they be anything but?.They have been out of the game for years.Have they got a pit crew lined up?

pritch

22nd July 2014, 23:57

There's some qualified people around, they'll have their own technical people though. Honda pulled out of BSB so there were two crews suddenly available there. I see Kiwi crew chief Adrian Gorst had his CV on the 'Net, a WSBK title and multiple BSB titles to his credit.

Last I saw JB had taken up golf.

Reckless

23rd July 2014, 10:10

Suzuki update

Looks like Randy really wants the MotoGP ride on the Suzuki reading the last paragragh here.

De Puniet on Suzuki MotoGP™ progress and the challenge of Suzuka

De Puniet on Suzuki MotoGP™ progress and the challenge of Suzuka
Tuesday, 22 July 2014
Ahead of his Suzuka 8 Hours participation and following several months of important MotoGP™ tests with Suzuki, motogp.com caught up with Frenchman Randy de Puniet.
Suzuki have tested this year at several Grand Prix venues. What is next in terms of the testing schedule?

“We took part in winter tests in Sepang. In Austin and Argentina, unfortunately I couldn’t ride, but I did in Philip Island and also in Barcelona. The schedule is different in July, I am preparing for the Suzuka 8 Hours at the end of the month. My MotoGP program will start again in September, which leaves an important break. Then, we are supposed to be in Mugello, Aragon and Valencia. A wildcard is pretty likely – we’ll give it a shot in Valencia in October. In August, a test in Brno was planned, but it has been cancelled and replaced by the one in Philip Island. This is why I accepted the opportunity to participate in the Suzuka 8 Hours, in order to go on riding, try a different bike and have at least one race this season.”

What particular elements has the development of the Suzuki focused on?

“We have mostly worked on the electronics recently. We went from the Mitsubishi ECU to the Magnetti Marelli ECU at Sepang 1. There’s a lot to do on this point because even when the bike is not on track, the Japanese engineers keep on working on it to smooth the edges. We’ve made important progress, but it is difficult to define my exact feeling about the bike because I have always been riding in different conditions from one test to the other. When there is no base or reference, there is nothing to compare with, and it is hard to evaluate the progress.”

As you are working especially on the electronics, does it mean the bike is already in good shape in terms of frame and engine?

“The bike is ready, but again, it is hard to evaluate its potential now. I think the bases are really good, but in terms of pure power, I don't know where we stand. We need it to be ridden more by other riders to be able to compare, and progress even more.”

Besides the urge to keep on riding during the break, how did you come to be taking part in the Suzuka 8 Hours event?

“Firstly, I love the track there. It is a legendary race and a very important one for Suzuki. I think we now have a team fully able to win this race. This is why I will do my utmost to adapt to the bike and get ready for a victory. To win the Suzuka 8 Hours would be a real accomplishment for me in this quiet season.”

Whether you ride with Suzuki in MotoGP next season or not, what other options would you have?

“A contract with Suzuki is ready for me, as a test rider or somewhere else. I can choose to accept it or not. This is why we would like to be informed of their plans for the future as soon as possible, because I really want to go back to competition, but not in poor conditions. For now, my main objective is going back to MotoGP. If there is an option in Superbikes, why not, but I really aim at being on the MotoGP starting grid in 2015.”