MotoGP 2014

[pritch]

One helluva statement from MM's tire guy.

"In my mind, there are only two ways to stop Márquez: either derail his talent with wine, women and song or put Maverick Viñales and Jack Miller on MotoGP bikes."

Linky (http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/marc-marquez-he-is-playing/)

Just in the interest of accuracy, the comment about Vinales & Miller was not by the tyre guy.

[Shaun Harris]

Just in the interest of accuracy, the comment about Vinales & Miller was not by the tyre guy.





accuracy and KB do not fit together man

[pritch]

accuracy and KB do not fit together man

You're doing that perspicacious thing again, and early in the morning too.

I try to be accurate but my memory ain't what it was - if it ever was. I believe in the hereafter. As in, "What the Hell did I come in here after?"
Several times a day.

But I can remember posting the link to that Oxley item some time back and to his subsequent item yesterday. I think.

[george formby]

My bad for reposting & mis-interpreting. It seemed to be written that way late last night after a couple of Peronis.

Interestin neverthless.

[DidJit]

Drinking and KB do not fit together, man. ;)

’Twas indeed an interesting read, though.

[pritch]

Drinking and KB do not fit together, man. ;)

’Twas indeed an interesting read, though.

There's quite a few yet to discover that, the general level of discourse tends to deteriorate as the evening progresses on a Saturday.
Not in this thread though :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

There's quite a few yet to discover that, the general level of discourse tends to deteriorate as the evening progresses on a Saturday.
Not in this thread though :whistle:

I don't give a shit what time of day it is if I feel the need to abuse someone!

[george formby]

Drinking and KB do not fit together, man. ;)

’Twas indeed an interesting read, though.

I get home from work after 9pm so without a feed all I need is a sniff of the bar maids apron to get the beer goggles on. And KB, sadly, is the only place open for entertainment & edification. Nothing to do with batteries..

[Mental Trousers]

Drinking and KB do not fit together, man. ;)

Does if you're the Site Admin and you want to have some fun.

[speights_bud]

http://m.motomatters.com/news/2010/11/13/motogp_electronics_even_more_complex_tha.html

Pretty much what I thought though.... Imagine how complex the Honda package is...

[pritch]

Flash back.

The race that I was thinking of where Marquez rode right through the field to win was Estoril 2010. Sadly no on-board coverage but this tells the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R-Aq_4ejH0

[Dave-]

http://m.motomatters.com/news/2010/11/13/motogp_electronics_even_more_complex_tha.html

Pretty much what I thought though.... Imagine how complex the Honda package is...

Oh yeah, practical application of state space controls!

[speights_bud]

It made me think perhaps this is why we sometimes see riders like MM almost deliberately running off wide etc, to log the data for the computer to call on during the races.

Of course there are a lot of genuine mistakes but as we saw in LeMans MM running off track limits on the last 2 corners. Yes a mistake but also the opportunity to teach the ecu some alternate data. Understanding that the more data put in the more information the electronics have to call on when the Shit hits the fan.

I think this kind of thing really comes down to the new/old generation differences. The new young riders have grown up with computers built into everything.. Instead of the mindset of the computer assisting them to ride the bike, they are coming more from the angle of programming the computer to do the work for them.

No doubt that it's still largely down to how big the riders balls are, but understanding how to get it all to work together as a package

[Shaun Harris]

It made me think perhaps this is why we sometimes see riders like MM almost deliberately running off wide etc, to log the data for the computer to call on during the races.

Of course there are a lot of genuine mistakes but as we saw in LeMans MM running off track limits on the last 2 corners. Yes a mistake but also the opportunity to teach the ecu some alternate data. Understanding that the more data put in the more information the electronics have to call on when the Shit hits the fan.

I think this kind of thing really comes down to the new/old generation differences. The new young riders have grown up with computers built into everything.. Instead of the mindset of the computer assisting them to ride the bike, they are coming more from the angle of programming the computer to do the work for them.

No doubt that it's still largely down to how big the riders balls are, but understanding how to get it all to work together as a package











I believe a huge part of MM winning formula in Motogp comes from this believe in the electronics, he has been programmed to trust the electronics which he obviously does! Take a good look at when he opens the throttle compared to some around him, even just listening makes this stand out.

[trustme]

For a while people thought the CS advantage was his trust in the electronics package, he just yanked open the throttle & let the electronics sort it out . In fact he had the electronics wound back, his advantage was throttle control & feel.
Are you saying that electronics are now so good, feel is no longer relevant. If that was the case Lorenzo should not be suffering a form slump due mainly to a lack of confidence in the feel or feedback from his tyres, he should simply ' man up ' & yank the throttle open
I suspect MM would beat the rest on pretty much any type of bike . Same as Rossi , Doohan, Roberts, Hailwood & Surtees all managed to do for a period.

MM is the most complete racer we have seen since Rossi at his absolute best. Like Rossi says , he wishes he was 22 again.

[Shaun Harris]

For a while people thought the CS advantage was his trust in the electronics package, he just yanked open the throttle & let the electronics sort it out . In fact he had the electronics wound back, his advantage was throttle control & feel.
Are you saying that electronics are now so good, feel is no longer relevant. If that was the case Lorenzo should not be suffering a form slump due mainly to a lack of confidence in the feel or feedback from his tyres
I suspect MM would beat the rest on pretty much any type of bike . Same as Rossi , Doohan, Roberts, Hailwood & Surtees all managed to do for a period.

MM is the most complete racer we have seen since Rossi at his absolute best. Like Rossi says , he wishes he was 22 again.







NO I was not saying feel is not important, I was saying that MM and his team use them to the max and good on them for doing so, and YES MM is deff a freak

[merv]

Have I not been paying attention, because I hadn't seen until now they are going back to 17" wheels mentioned in the comments of Michelin getting the tyre job?

http://www.motomatters.com/press_release/2014/05/23/michelin_press_release_michelin_to_devel.html

[Shaun Harris]

Have I not been paying attention, because I hadn't seen until now they are going back to 17" wheels mentioned in the comments of Michelin getting the tyre job?

http://www.motomatters.com/press_release/2014/05/23/michelin_press_release_michelin_to_devel.html









Recent announcement man

[Drew]

Hmmm, I wonder if that's got much to do with superbikes already having done that. Essentially meaning that most manufacturers have already done a shit load of design around sidewall behavior for that size.

[BMWST?]

Hmmm, I wonder if that's got much to do with superbikes already having done that. Essentially meaning that most manufacturers have already done a shit load of design around sidewall behavior for that size.

Michelin have experience with many wheel sizes

[Drew]

Michelin have experience with many wheel sizesI am aware of this. But since any experience older than the last two years is not relevant any more, their 16.5in tech is old hat.

You are forgetting that no one other than Bridgestone has spent time working on GP tyres for a good few years. They are out of the loop with the current tech of bike geometry and shit.

So for the last half of next year, I expect to see testing for each track doubled. In order for teams to get the hang of the new hoops, and Michelin to get the hang of putting them together.

[BMWST?]

I am aware of this. But since any experience older than the last two years is not relevant any more, their 16.5in tech is old hat.

You are forgetting that no one other than Bridgestone has spent time working on GP tyres for a good few years. They are out of the loop with the current tech of bike geometry and shit.

So for the last half of next year, I expect to see testing for each track doubled. In order for teams to get the hang of the new hoops, and Michelin to get the hang of putting them together.

Agree totally but their knowledge and past experience must count towards the new venture.

[Drew]

Agree totally but their knowledge and past experience must count towards the new venture.There is no single part of any wheeled vehicle, that has more money spent on development than tyres. Their previous experience counts for very little when it comes to making tyres stick, and last a whole race on current machinery...except maybe the Ducati, but that hasn't changed for five years except in engine size. It's still poo.

[pritch]

Their previous experience counts for very little when it comes to making tyres stick, and last a whole race on current machinery...except maybe the Ducati, but that hasn't changed for five years except in engine size. It's still poo.

Thing is part of the reason the Ducati became uncompetitive was the Bridgestone tyres. Honda and Yamaha changed frames to suit. Honda went through a whole series of frames before they got it right apparently. So much for spec tyres saving money...

WSBK went to 17 inch wheels because they are trying to make the bikes more like what's in the shop. Even to the point of stick-on headlights. Don't know the logic behind moving to 17s in a prototype class. Or even if there is any logic involved?

[Asher]

As part of Michelin's tender they may have demanded 17" tyres. I wouldnt be surprised if Michelin where the only ones who made a tender, because there arent really any other manufactures able to supply MotoGP.

[sil3nt]

As part of Michelin's tender they may have demanded 17" tyres. I wouldnt be surprised if Michelin where the only ones who made a tender, because there arent really any other manufactures able to supply MotoGP.Pirelli and Dunlop both considered going MotoGP but neither put in a tender. Dunlop already have moto2 and moto3 and Pirelli have WSBK.

[BMWST?]

Pirelli and Dunlop both considered going MotoGP but neither put in a tender. Dunlop already have moto2 and moto3 and Pirelli have WSBK.

Was a bit of a jack up wasn't it,Michelin really the only one in a position to actually do anything,esp in such a short time span

[Asher]

Metzeler was the only other option in my mind that would put in a tender. Not sure if they are a big enough manufacturer to supply the GP

[pritch]

Metzeler was the only other option in my mind that would put in a tender. Not sure if they are a big enough manufacturer to supply the GP

I thnk Metzeler are in bed with Pirelli so they may feel they are doing enough?

[Moise]

I thnk Metzeler are in bed with Pirelli so they may feel they are doing enough?

Metzler are owned by Pirelli and make most of their bike tyres.

Pirelli make all the F1 tyres as well so I can't see them wanting to do MotoGP unless they ditched WSBK.

Good on Michelin for taking it on. It's definitely a risk following on from Bridgestone, just look at what happened to Pirelli in F1.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Colin Edwards umbrella girl is the most attractive. That is all

[DidJit]

Y’all seen this (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2014/05/26/opinion_how_dani_pedrosa_s_8_million_eur.html)? Conceptually, it’d be interesting to see how he’d go on it (if only to see where they are compared to the other manufacturers)...

[Shaun Harris]

Y’all seen this (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2014/05/26/opinion_how_dani_pedrosa_s_8_million_eur.html)? Conceptually, it’d be interesting to see how he’d go on it (if only to see where they are compared to the other manufacturers)...







DP would be an exellent rider for them, and I reckon Suzuki are prepared to pay what it has too

[pritch]

Y’all seen this (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2014/05/26/opinion_how_dani_pedrosa_s_8_million_eur.html)? Conceptually, it’d be interesting to see how he’d go on it (if only to see where they are compared to the other manufacturers)...

Yeah. Mr Emmett done good, impressive story. Even the stuff about the brown M&Ms was interesting.

And the world is beating a path to Mugello, but apparently the weather forecast is not good.

[Drew]

http://www.sportrider.com/sportbike-news/motogp-open-war-brewing-between-ducati-and-honda?src=SOC&dom=fb

Bit of a bitch fight.

Looks to me like Ducati have plans to carry on running 'open class' for the foreseeable future.

[Mental Trousers]

http://www.sportrider.com/sportbike-news/motogp-open-war-brewing-between-ducati-and-honda?src=SOC&dom=fb

Bit of a bitch fight.

Looks to me like Ducati have plans to carry on running 'open class' for the foreseeable future.

They'd be fucken insane not to stick with the Open class for as long as they can.

[pritch]

They'd be fucken insane not to stick with the Open class for as long as they can.

Exactly. It's one thing if you're in front; a freeze is great. If you're trying to play catch-up though, it's a whole nutha thing.

It's a bit rich Honda raising the "spirit of the rules". Dual clutch technology was banned so they spent a sum roughly equivalent to the GDP of a small country to develop a seamless gearbox.

Then there was the dropping of the "Spies rule" so that Marquez could go straight to the Repsol team - but I won't mention that. :whistle:

[Bender]

Wow that's getting ugly - and yet again Honda shows its true colours when it doesn't get its own way.

Should have produced a decent Open Class bike in the first place. Those RCV1000s are dogs.

[imdying]

Does not surprise me, in the modern era Ducati have never been able to compete with the Japanese on a level footing, here or in WSBK.

[Reckless]

did ya read this bit

Thus, HRC has decided enough is enough. As a measure of revenge, HRC will produce a full Factory bike—but using the Open class software—to be given to the top RCV1000R rider at what will likely be the Motegi GP, to be used for the rest of the season. By doing this, Honda is hoping to have one of its riders win the Open class for 2014.

Dont they need to do it earlier? Isnt Motegi a bit late in the season for this?? Unless they can keep the points gap real close.

[Bender]

did ya read this bit

Thus, HRC has decided enough is enough. As a measure of revenge, HRC will produce a full Factory bike—but using the Open class software—to be given to the top RCV1000R rider at what will likely be the Motegi GP, to be used for the rest of the season. By doing this, Honda is hoping to have one of its riders win the Open class for 2014.

Dont they need to do it earlier? Isnt Motegi a bit late in the season for this?? Unless they can keep the points gap real close.

So Honda is going to punish the poor bastards who bought their million Euro RCV1000 pigs by producing a bike that will easily beat them.

Way to go on the PR front Honda. Like my ol' granny used to say - when the toys are flying out of the cot, the thrower is usually the one who looks like a dick.

[Mental Trousers]

So Honda is going to punish the poor bastards who bought their million Euro RCV1000 pigs by producing a bike that will easily beat them.

Way to go on the PR front Honda. Like my ol' granny used to say - when the toys are flying out of the cot, the thrower is usually the one who looks like a dick.

You'd think they'd do the right thing and upgrade the existing RCV1000's to be competitive instead. They don't need the fruity gearbox but the engine needs to be sorted.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/May/140528lavertysuzuki.htm

[Bender]

Suzuki is in a quandary. The only way to be sure of their bike is to put Pedrosa on it, because we know he is a front-runner. But he's asked (reportedly) for 8 million Euros, which is serious dosh in anyone's book. (He's doing a Crutchlow - I don't mind coming 12th if I'm getting paid lots for it.)

If they put Laverty on it and it runs 8th - is it the bike, or the rider? They'd be in the same situation as they were when Bautista rode the Suzuki - was the bike good and the rider crap, or was the rider good and the bike crap?

[Mental Trousers]

Suzuki is in a quandary. The only way to be sure of their bike is to put Pedrosa on it, because we know he is a front-runner. But he's asked (reportedly) for 8 million Euros, which is serious dosh in anyone's book.

If they put Laverty on it and it runs 8th - is it the bike, or the rider? They'd be in the same situation as they were when Bautista rode the Suzuki - was the bike good and the rider crap, or was the rider good and the bike crap?

Pedro asking for $8M looks like a Suzuki, are you serious or what? sort of amount. If they don't cough up that much they're sure as hell not gonna put enough into the bike/team to make it successful, something Suzuki have always been guilty of.

With the previous bike it seemed to be a good one and Bautista is a good rider, but neither of them was a leader of the pack. Even on a factory backed Honda Bautista hasn't managed more than a few podiums sprinkled amongst the DNFs. It would've been really interesting to see what a leading rider could've done on that Suzuki.

[Drew]

Pedro asking for $8M looks like a Suzuki, are you serious or what? sort of amount. If they don't cough up that much they're sure as hell not gonna put enough into the bike/team to make it successful, something Suzuki have always been guilty of.

With the previous bike it seemed to be a good one and Bautista is a good rider, but neither of them was a leader of the pack. Even on a factory backed Honda Bautista hasn't managed more than a few podiums sprinkled amongst the DNFs. It would've been really interesting to see what a leading rider could've done on that Suzuki.

Wonder if that sorta money would tempt Rossi? The Suzuki was always better than the Ducati is now when they went four stroke. As the only bike out there running conventional firing order to boot. The new one is big bang by the sound of the thing, so might match initial punch off the turns this time round.

[Shaun Harris]

Wonder if that sorta money would tempt Rossi? The Suzuki was always better than the Ducati is now when they went four stroke. As the only bike out there running conventional firing order to boot. The new one is big bang by the sound of the thing, so might match initial punch off the turns this time round.








Rossi is whom I would love see on it, and he can pull as many dollars out of the air that he wants but doubt he is going to gamble again.

[pritch]

As the only bike out there running conventional firing order to boot. The new one is big bang by the sound of the thing, so might match initial punch off the turns this time round.

Not quite sure what you mean there Drew. Bautista's Suzuki was a V4. It was the sweetest sounding of the GP bikes too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It was the sweetest sounding of the GP bikes too.

I reckon it was a tie between that and the Honda when it was a V-5

[Drew]

Not quite sure what you mean there Drew. Bautista's Suzuki was a V4. It was the sweetest sounding of the GP bikes too.It fired like a road going V4. Not big bang, or cross plane.


I reckon it was a tie between that and the Honda when it was a V-5Never heard the V5 in the flesh, but the GSVR sounded nicest when I did go.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Never heard the V5 in the flesh, but the GSVR sounded nicest when I did go.

The v-5 had a real angry drone sound to it. The GSVR sounded like the bully at the beach about to kick sand in everyone else's face. Pity it didn't.

[Oscar]

The v-5 had a real angry drone sound to it. The GSVR sounded like the bully at the beach about to kick sand in everyone else's face. Pity it didn't.

I saw a video of the V5 prototype.
It sounded like a cross between a Stage 3 RX3 and a WRX STI.
Angry is a good description.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I saw a video of the V5 prototype.
It sounded like a cross between a Stage 3 RX3 and a WRX STI.
Angry is a good description.

Yeah was a very cool engine. Pity we'll not see such cool things again.

[BIG DOUG]

The cube sounded the best period.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The cube sounded the best period.

Didn't know you'd been to a GP Doug.

[Shaun Harris]

Ive been to few Crasher, but they only had those dam 500cc 2 stroke thingies back then with no electronics except for the spark

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ive been to few Crasher, but they only had those dam 500cc 2 stroke thingies back then with no electronics except for the spark

Lol. Yep. Been to plenty when those old dinosaurs still ruled. Did you ever get to ride a 5 hundy?

[Shaun Harris]

Lol. Yep. Been to plenty when those old dinosaurs still ruled. Did you ever get to ride a 5 hundy?







20 laps only around mallory park in the UK

[Crasherfromwayback]

20 laps only around mallory park in the UK

Jealous. What was it?

[Shaun Harris]

Jealous. What was it?





ROC 500 man, it was silly silly quick and light

[Crasherfromwayback]

ROC 500 man, it was silly silly quick and light

Bet it was. First time I rode my RS250 I nearly pooed myself. Always fancied the idea of one day trying a 5 hundy. Will have to be when I win lotto. Till then, 500cc dirtbikes will have to suffice.

[pritch]

The latest from Motomatters is interesting, particularly when he discusses Yamaha's reaction to Marquez' supremacy.

When Smith went to Yamaha he was told to adapt his style to suit the bike. Yamaha were adamant that high corner speed was the be all and end all. After analysing what Marquez is doing they have altered the bike to let EsP try more of the Moto2 style that Marquez uses. None of which will do Lorenzo any favours.

Emmetts description of his m/c trip to Mugello is also worth a read.

[pritch]

Sitting watching FP1 and wondering if Bridgestone have beefed up their front tyre to cope with the new bigger Brembo carbon rotors that are available to the teams this weekend.

Is it possible that the Bridgestone staff are practicing a rain dance?

[Shaun Harris]

Sitting watching FP1 and wondering if Bridgestone have beefed up their front tyre to cope with the new bigger Brembo carbon rotors that are available to the teams this weekend.

Is it possible that the Bridgestone staff are practicing a rain dance?





Dont care, just love how fast that KIWI Jack Millar is

[Shaun Harris]

Quote from JL

We are more competitive than we are showing in the races,” he insists. “I need to recover my physical condition,





What the f is wrong with him Physically, or does he mean to stop playing with himself physically

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bad luck all round.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/May/140530a.htm

[Shaun Harris]

Go on Crash, MM or VR to win this weekend

[Shaun Harris]

check out Jl riding style and arms position, I think they have changed his bike quite radically for this round

[Drew]

GAH! Fell asleep on the couch before the big boys qualified.:facepalm:

[Shaun Harris]

GAH! Fell asleep on the couch before the big boys qualified.:facepalm:





Bummer Drew, I did the same thing last round, fuk those Ducati,s are fast man! Rossi is a hell of lot faster then 10th on the grid, but unless MM has an off, he will do it again.


I am starting to wonder how much SUZUKI has offered Ianone

[pritch]

Rossi is a hell of lot faster then 10th on the grid, but unless MM has an off, he will do it again.



Apparently Rossi hadn't tried the soft in practice but the Bridgestone rep assured him it would be OK. After changing to the soft half way through qualifying it turned out that was not the case, he had bad chatter, and no time to change back. He says he has good pace but being so far back on the grid is a problem . Then again, Mugello has lots of places to pass.


And he might be justifiably nervous about being next to Bautista on the grid.

[Shaun Harris]

Lowes and Moto2 in 2nd on the grid, he really does have the goods that boy. SUZUKI grab him quickly

[BMWST?]

And he might be justifiably nervous about being next to Bautista on the grid.

Yawn.qualify better then

[Crasherfromwayback]

Go on Crash, MM or VR to win this weekend

MM

Lorenzo

Rossi

Pedro

Dovi

[pritch]

From MotoMatters for Shaun - and Matt Oxley:

"Miller's talent is being noticed, however, and the Australian will be moving up to Moto2 in 2015. He will be riding for one of the top teams in the Moto2 class, with an announcement likely to come some time around Barcelona."

[Crasherfromwayback]

From MotoMatters for Shaun - and Matt Oxley:

"Miller's talent is being noticed, however, and the Australian will be moving up to Moto2 in 2015. He will be riding for one of the top teams in the Moto2 class, with an announcement likely to come some time around Barcelona."

Fuck Moto 2. Put him in with the big boys.

[BMWST?]

Any interest in welly for a meet up at a pub or something to watch it?,dunno where tho?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Any interest in welly for a meet up at a pub or something to watch it?,dunno where tho?

Welcome at mine mate. I might not make a lot of sense though. Been drinking all day whilst playing golf.

[Drew]

Welcome at mine mate. I might not make a lot of sense though. Been drinking all day whilst playing golf.

I was just thinking about the arguments you and I would have watching a GP live. Maybe I'm not hurt to not have been invited round.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was just thinking about the arguments you and I would have watching a GP live. Maybe I'm not hurt to not have been invited round.

Apartment 19...5th floor mate. We'll get on fine. 8018-666 if you want to join in.

[badlieutenant]

jack miller....noooooooooooooo :/ but fuck me that was an awesome race :D

[Drew]

Apartment 19...5th floor mate. We'll get on fine. 8018-666 if you want to join in.

Work tomorrow, but cheers.

[badlieutenant]

jack miller, fuck me that was an awesome race :D

[Crasherfromwayback]

Work tomorrow, but cheers.

Lightweight.

[BMWST?]

Apartment 19...5th floor mate. We'll get on fine. 8018-666 if you want to join in.

Maybe next time mate alrrady settled with a few beers

[ecko_nzed]

Here we go, this better be good


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[BMWST?]

It WAS GOOD!

[ecko_nzed]

Now that is more like it!

[eelracing]

Here we go, this better be good


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Absolutely brilliant eh...one for the ages.

[ecko_nzed]

Absolutely brilliant eh...one for the ages.

Yep, no falling asleep for this one

[Brett]

Shit that was awesome. Both Marc and Jorge showed just how good they are as racers. Normally by lap 10 I am falling asleep...not this race, was wired right up until the finish.

[pritch]

Gazza was over there for that one wasn't he? Great race to be at.

[Bender]

Stunning race, glad to see Jorge back and better than before. It's how GP racing should be.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Gazza was over there for that one wasn't he? Great race to be at.

I believe so. Lucky fucker. Awesome race.

[MD]

Gazza was over there for that one wasn't he? Great race to be at.

Yeah lucky bugger. He picked the best round to be at..so far. Can't wait to hear his stories over a Sunday morning coffee at Martinborough when he's back.

[merv]

I've liked all the races this year, but then I wonder where the moaners are complaining how it was just a procession for so many laps until near the end.

I do like the Honda winning but looks like they need to screw it up a bit if Jorge is going to get that close.

[george formby]

I've liked all the races this year, but then I wonder where the moaners are complaining how it was just a procession for so many laps until near the end.

I do like the Honda winning but looks like they need to screw it up a bit if Jorge is going to get that close.

I'm not worthy. Watched Erzberg & the moto 2 and 3 simultaneously. Had a melt down before the main event & retired early.
Woke up to the missus banging on about how good the race was.
TBH, the fact the missus stayed up to watch them both alone is a huge buzz in itself. Just have to persuade her to watch them again. Should be on Sommet again shortly.
Certainly sounds like the rest of the season could be hot!

[merv]

So how come according to this http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2014/ITA/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_cf815f75 that while Marc's Honda peaked at 340.1 km/hr during the race and George's Yamaha peaked at only 333.8 it shows the big guy Rossi got his up to 341.0 and Pol's Yamaha did 341.5?

Interesting difference.

[wynw]

Should be on Sommet again shortly.


you are right, its on now

[puddytat]

So how come according to this http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2014/ITA/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_cf815f75 that while Marc's Honda peaked at 340.1 km/hr during the race and George's Yamaha peaked at only 333.8 it shows the big guy Rossi got his up to 341.0 and Pol's Yamaha did 341.5?

Interesting difference.

And Andrea Ianone managed the fastest speed ever on a Motogp bike, on the Ducati at 349 kmh.......:yes:

[eelracing]

So how come according to this http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2014/ITA/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_cf815f75 that while Marc's Honda peaked at 340.1 km/hr during the race and George's Yamaha peaked at only 333.8 it shows the big guy Rossi got his up to 341.0 and Pol's Yamaha did 341.5?

Interesting difference.

Prob because of slipstreaming,the leading bikes top speed gets dragged down.(fookn horrible feeling)
Even so, MM could easily pull out and pass the Yamaha down that straight at will.No such luck for Lorenzo.
Jorge was riding the arse off the bike to stay in the hunt.

[p.dath]

Prob because of slipstreaming,the leading bikes top speed gets dragged down.(fookn horrible feeling)
Even so, MM could easily pull out and pass the Yamaha down that straight at will.No such luck for Lorenzo.
Jorge was riding the arse off the bike to stay in the hunt.

The last 5 laps of the race or so had me riveted to the TV. It felt like it could easily have gone either way. Probably the most exciting race of the season for me.

[pritch]

There have been various suggestions hereabout as to who Suzuki should be signing to ride their GP bike. I'm not sure as to the significance of this, but a few days ago Eugene Laverty was testing the bike in Japan.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I enjoyed that race immensely.

Colin Edwards umbrella girl is still the hottest. By a long way.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Prob because of slipstreaming,the leading bikes top speed gets dragged down.(fookn horrible feeling)
Even so, MM could easily pull out and pass the Yamaha down that straight at will.No such luck for Lorenzo.
Jorge was riding the arse off the bike to stay in the hunt.

They made a last minute change to MM's Honda's top gear to help with a drafting pass. Worked a treat. The rest is all about drive out of the corner. Take a look at how hard and early MM picks it up and pulls the pin.

[merv]

Point I was making basically is that two of the other Yamahas (Vale and Pol) were clocked at around 8km/hr faster than George and he was the one that needed the speed in front of our boy on the Honda.

[Shaun Harris]

Point I was making basically is that two of the other Yamahas (Vale and Pol) were clocked at around 8km/hr faster than George and he was the one that needed the speed in front of our boy on the Honda.





Do you know exactually where the speed check point was? As it tends to be at end of track in the braking area, so that often gives a not real top speed in these cases- IF it was where I said they are often are.

[Shaun Harris]

There have been various suggestions hereabout as to who Suzuki should be signing to ride their GP bike. I'm not sure as to the significance of this, but a few days ago Eugene Laverty was testing the bike in Japan.




And is also testing it in OZ at P Island, that info has been on crash.net for weeks mate. Eugene is a DEFF Poss No2 rider for next year, but in my mind he is the wrong one. No2 Should be A Lowes I reckon.

[Cam_Valk]

Point I was making basically is that two of the other Yamahas (Vale and Pol) were clocked at around 8km/hr faster than George and he was the one that needed the speed in front of our boy on the Honda.

Read somewhere that the official top speed published by Dorna is measured by the average speed over a distance of 30m.
On-board telemetry is usually 15-20kmph more.

[BMWST?]

I wonder if jorge has a new frame

[badlieutenant]

awesome race! interesting lines from both bikes on that series of corners leading to the main straight.
Sommet tv is freaking awesome.

[badlieutenant]

I wonder if jorge has a new frame

+1
(defintely a new frame of mind after that, I imagine it would boost your confidence alot)

[pritch]

Do you know exactually where the speed check point was? As it tends to be at end of track in the braking area, so that often gives a not real top speed in these cases- IF it was where I said they are often are.

There has been some discussion about this in the last week or so on Motomatters and elsewhere. Because they measure the speed over 30m or so and place the speed trap near the end of the straight some riders are braking within the measured area. Can't remember the exact figures, but the maximum speeds recorded by the transponders are sometimes quite a lot faster than the official figure (15 to 20kph?).

From Motomatters:
"Brembo data shows that the MotoGP bikes reach 363 kilometers per hour, though the official Dorna record is still 349 km/h, held by Dani Pedrosa. Veteran journalist and TV commentator Dennis Noyes has spent time digging up the real top speeds at various tracks, and the discrepancy between the officially stated top speeds and the actual top speeds is down to how they are measured. The official top speed is an average over a distance of 30 meters, but a lot can happen in that distance. Riders start braking, and the average plummets, whereas peak speeds measured on data are more accurate. Those peaks are staggeringly fast."

[pritch]

So what has CS27 been up to?
http://sport.bt.com/motogp/casey-stoner-no-regrets-about-leaving-motogp-S11363907393509

[Banditbandit]

awesome race! interesting lines from both bikes on that series of corners leading to the main straight.
Sommet tv is freaking awesome.

+1 .. and I loved the Moto3 race .. 13 bikes in the lead group going into the last 120 laps? Awesome racing ...

Marquez and Lorenzo were just spectacular ...

[ckai]

+1 .. and I loved the Moto3 race .. 13 bikes in the lead group going into the last 120 laps? Awesome racing ...

Marquez and Lorenzo were just spectacular ...

Before last year I would only watch MotoGP and didn't care about 2 or 3. Then after catching the tail end of a Moto2 race, I thought I'd stick with them as well. Then this year, after missing the last Moto3 race and seeing some snippets of them, I thought, bugger this, I'm watching it as well. FUCKEN BRILLIANT! Almost looks like the little buggers were faster than Moto2 being some tightly packed.

It was a shame Val wasn't mixing it up with the other 2 but it was a good race anyway. I bet Lorenzo is a shit tonne happier.

[Erelyes]

Moto3 is farkin cool. Just wish the bikes didn't sound so zzzzzzzzz.
Moto2, now those things are screamers!
MotoGP, how come the 4's sound so flat compared with your average street thou?

[pritch]

MotoGP, how come the 4's sound so flat compared with your average street thou?

Coupla things: if you were standing there they would not sound flat, they would sound fucking LOUD! Seriously.

They don't sound like yer average sprotbike 'cause the Ducati and the Honda engines are V4s. The Yamaha, although an inline four, is also a cross plane/big bang/long bang. (Take your pick.)

[Drew]

... is also a cross plane/big bang/long bang. (Take your pick.)Cross plane and big bang are very different things. Big bang fires two slugs at once. Cross plane fires one at a time, but in such a way that the crank needs to do a complete revolution without any slugs firing.

[Moise]

Coupla things: if you were standing there they would not sound flat, they would sound fucking LOUD! Seriously.

They don't sound like yer average sprotbike 'cause the Ducati and the Honda engines are V4s. The Yamaha, although an inline four, is also a cross plane/big bang/long bang. (Take your pick.)

Nah they're not that loud but the V4s sound awesome. The loudest are the satellite Hondas for some reason - different pipes?

The Yamahas just sound weird, like they're revving lower.

[Reckless]

Well that was the best nights racing for a long time. Was in Wellywood visiting family till today, so have been staying away from the net in case i heard the result. That was anyones race for the last few laps!
Damn glad JL is back and Rossi got 2nd in the championship.
Thinking Honda might be a little disappointed in DP tho?

[DidJit]

... Thinking Honda might be a little disappointed in DP tho?

Oh, I don't know... Check out the arm (http://instagram.com/26_danipedrosa) he raced with.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh, I don't know... Check out the arm (http://instagram.com/26_danipedrosa) he raced with.

Yeah ouch.

[pritch]

Nah they're not that loud

Haven't heard this years vintage but... Before I went to Phillip Island the first time (RC211V era) lots of people told me, "They are really loud".
I was thinking, "Well what would you expect?" Then when I heard them, "Fuck they're loud!"

Didn't notice much difference in 2008.

Since that HRC have changed their exhaust manufacturer from MIVV to Termignoni but I suspect a quieter exhaust was not particularly a design priority.

I'm supposed to be wearing hearing aids which leads me to wonder, have you had a hearing test? :sherlock:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah they're not that loud but the V4s sound awesome. .

Oh yes they fucking are! Some tracks you're far enough away from them that they're bearable without ear plugs. But some places like Laguna Seca where you get real close to them it feels as if your ears are gonna bleed.

[Shaun Harris]

Oh yes they fucking are! Some tracks you're far enough away from them that they're bearable without ear plugs. But some places like Laguna Seca where you get real close to them it feels as if your ears are gonna bleed.





Ther are louder than me screaming when my hand slips of my cock and I smack myself in the face, and that is FUKIN LOUD

[Mental Trousers]

Ther are louder than me screaming when my hand slips of my cock and I smack myself in the face, and that is FUKIN LOUD

So looking like you get punched in the face all the time isn't due to your mouth, it's your cock.

[Shaun Harris]

So looking like you get punched in the face all the time isn't due to your mouth, it's your cock.








kind a yea man, but once a wanker always one eh, but I guess you knew that already being you

[Dave-]

Since that HRC have changed their exhaust manufacturer from MIVV to Termignoni but I suspect a quieter exhaust was not particularly a design priority.

There are some interesting philosophies concerning engine noise, my favourite is by Ulrich Baretzky who developed the famous, quiet engine for the Audi R10 Le Man Prototype.

Ulrich Baretzky said "Noise is a form of energy, the less you hear means the more you use [in] propulsion."

Which is perhaps a little easier (or harder, depends how you look at it) for Ulrich who can slap a custom turbo on the Audi and use that kinetic to squash some air.

Aside from meeting a maximum noise (dB) criteria I would suggest that efficiency of the engines is a design priority and that a quieter exhaust is a product of that.

Further, I would suggest the satellite Honda's are louder because they may lack the technology in some part of the system that blocks them from taking advantage of the higher efficiency/quieter exhaust system.

Entirely conjecture though, a MotoGP race is considerably shorter than 24 hours, hence the gain in efficiency of such a system may be irrelevant.

[pritch]

There are some interesting philosophies concerning engine noise,

I think it was in the movie "Faster" they discuss exhaust noise. One of the manufacturers (Ducati?) discovered that a virtual straight through exhaust still complied with the required db limit so they adopted such a system. As soon as they did that, everyone else followed suit.

[bogan]

I think it was in the movie "Faster" they discuss exhaust noise. One of the manufacturers (Ducati?) discovered that a virtual straight through exhaust still complied with the required db limit so they adopted such a system. As soon as they did that, everyone else followed suit.

Might be about time to give that another watch, been any other vids made along the same lines since?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think it was in the movie "Faster" they discuss exhaust noise. One of the manufacturers (Ducati?) discovered that a virtual straight through exhaust still complied with the required db limit so they adopted such a system. As soon as they did that, everyone else followed suit.

One of their riders (Rossi?) insisted on mufflers IIRC so for a while they all had them.

[Dave-]

One of their riders (Rossi?) insisted on mufflers IIRC so for a while they all had them.

Rossi said he didn't like the loss of back pressure/engine braking?

I've been told the famous under seat exhaust was primarily to feed exhaust gasses into the intake of a rival bike.

Might have been Honda vs Ducati? Slightly before my time in motorcycles, I'm sure someone here can correct me.

[Mental Trousers]

Somebodies determined to screw as much cash out of Marquez while they can

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Official+Marquez+biography+launched+in+Barcelona

[Dave-]

Somebodies determined to screw as much cash out of Marquez while they can

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Official+Marquez+biography+launched+in+Barcelona

What? When I read that in 20 years time it's just going to stop half way!

[Shaun Harris]

Somebodies determined to screw as much cash out of Marquez while they can

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Official+Marquez+biography+launched+in+Barcelona





spencer needs all the money he can get

[pritch]

been any other vids made along the same lines since?

There have been a couple: I think I saw "The Doctor, The Tornado, and The Kentucky Kid". Don't recall seeing "Fastest".

[badlieutenant]

Somebodies determined to screw as much cash out of Marquez while they can

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Official+Marquez+biography+launched+in+Barcelona

I'm convinced Julia Roberts mouth has been cut n pasted onto MM :D

[Brian d marge]

Due to time ...i dont have any !!!

watching the french moto gp , they are on lap 12


FK me its boring ,,,,its there any hope in thew remaining laps ....

or ...oh there was a bit od a wobble in the front on the honda ...yauuuuaaann :yawn:


Im going back to re-runs of Wangas .....

Stephen

[Shaun Harris]

Due to time ...i dont have any !!!

watching the french moto gp , they are on lap 12


FK me its boring ,,,,its there any hope in thew remaining laps ....

or ...oh ther was a bit od a wobble in the front on the honda ...yauuuuaaann :yawn:


Im going back to re-runs of Wangas .....

Stephen





Last round of motogp was good man. I am sure they changed the riding position and clip on positions for JL

[Brian d marge]

Last round of motogp was good man. I am sure they changed the riding position and clip on positions for JL

im going back to watching the buckets on u tube .......I know the last round was good from all the feed back

the foggotten era at wangas ...its a tough call hahahahahahahahaaa

Stephen

ps I gave that bird ya email , i hope she gets in contact

[Shaun Harris]

im going back to watching the buckets on u tube .......I know the last round was good from all the feed back

the foggotten era at wangas ...its a tough call hahahahahahahahaaa

Stephen

ps I gave that bird ya email , i hope she gets in contact





Sweet, I need a decent japanese food cook, I suck at it and miss it grately

[malcy25]

MM Biography, give me strength. He's what 21 years old or something? How long is going to be? 4 pages?

The writer's gotta make a living somehow I guess!!!

[jasonu]

spencer needs all the money he can get

His 2 titles in the same year will be tough (next to impossible) to beat.

[Shaun Harris]

His 2 titles in the same year will be tough (next to impossible) to beat.





impossible now as Dorna does not allow rideers in 2 classes, Boring bastards, the year Spencer did he was awsome to watch, = to what is being seen done by MM really perfect to Milli Meter in every dam corner just like a robot

[Shaun Harris]

MM Biography, give me strength. He's what 21 years old or something? How long is going to be? 4 pages?

The writer's gotta make a living somehow I guess!!!




Been racing since he was 4 but do see your point. To me a Biography is for when the person has stopped doing what it is they do

[Drew]

impossible now as Dorna does not allow rideers in 2 classes, Boring bastards, the year Spencer did he was awsome to watch, = to what is being seen done by MM really perfect to Milli Meter in every dam corner just like a robot

That's not what MM does. Marc is often off line on entry, and trying different stuff. You're thinking of Jorge.

[Shaun Harris]

That's not what MM does. Marc is often off line on entry, and trying different stuff. You're thinking of Jorge.







My bad use of the language again dude, What I meant was re MM " Clearing off and kicking arse! And I wish you fuk off out of my head, 3 voices telling me what I think is getting a little hard man

[BMWST?]

That's not what MM does. Marc is often off line on entry, and trying different stuff. You're thinking of Jorge.

Just cos MM is not doing what is normal,doesnt mean he isnt doing it precisley

[Drew]

Just cos MM is not doing what is normal,doesnt mean he isnt doing it precisley

Pretty sure he just adapts on the fly, a lot.

[Shaun Harris]

Pretty sure he just adapts on the fly, a lot.




He sure can

[Drew]

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Catalunya:-Last-lap-Espargaro-snatches-top-spot&newsid=12147

Well bloody hell. Only FP1, but I bet he's still pretty stoked.

[Reckless]

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Catalunya:-Last-lap-Espargaro-snatches-top-spot&newsid=12147

Well bloody hell. Only FP1, but I bet he's still pretty stoked.

Means fuck all Drew I get a bit shitted off with special tyres for particular bikes when race time comes around super soft means jack shit.
Breakin records with an advantage annoys me to, its all to screwed up atm.
Cant wait for 2016 when they are all on the same rules all the time ( if it actually happens)??

[Shaun Harris]

Cant wait for 2016 when they are all on the same rules all the time ( if it actually happens)??





me also Reckless

[pritch]

I'da thunk that following the Maverick Vinales fiasco a year or so back that it would have been glaringly apparent that there was a conflict of interest in a rider having his team manager as his personal manager.

Jack Miller's team manager Ajo is his also personal manager. Moto2 team Marc VDS say they have Miller's signature, and those of his parents, on a contract for next year. Ajo says no. As Emmett says, this could get expensive. More importanly it must make for some unwanted tensions within the current team.

I hope Miller can ignore all of the drama and focus on racing.

[Shaun Harris]

I'da thunk that following the Maverick Vinales fiasco a year or so back that it would have been glaringly apparent that there was a conflict of interest in a rider having his team manager as his personal manager.

Jack Miller's team manager Ajo is his also personal manager. Moto2 team Mark VDS say they have Miller's signature, and those of his parents, on a contract for next year. Ajo says no. As Emmett says, this could get expensive. More importanly it must make for some unwanted tensions within the current team.

I hope Miller can ignore all of the drama and focus on racing.







I Hope so also mate, but he does show signs of being able to spit the dummy as most people can I guess. He will be wanted next year by teams with money, so should not really be a big problem if the offer comes and he needs to buy his way out.

[pritch]

He will be wanted next year by teams with money, so should not really be a big problem if the offer comes and he needs to buy his way out.

He has had the offer and has apparently signed. I assume Marc VDS (hope they won't mind too much that I spelt their name wrong before) have money. Their riders Rabat and Kalio are ranked one and two in the championship standings currently.

[Shaun Harris]

He has had the offer and has apparently signed. I assume Marc VDS (hope they won't mind too much that I spelt their name wrong before) have money. Their riders Rabat and Kalio are ranked one and two in the championship standings currently.








I did read the story where the boss man is angry, but have not read anything that says he has been offered some thing and has signed though

[BMWST?]

Fp4 and qualifying motogp on now

[george formby]

Fp4 and qualifying motogp on now

Ewe legend! Night all.

[Shaun Harris]

if dry tonight will be a ripper of a race

[pritch]

I did read the story where the boss man is angry, but have not read anything that says he has been offered some thing and has signed though

From Motomatters:
Contract issues are even reaching as far as Moto3. A war is brewing between Aki Ajo and Michael Bartholemy of Marc VDS over the future of Jack Miller, the promising young Australian leading the Moto3 championship. Marc VDS have a contract with Miller for three seasons, from 2014 through 2016. As Miller wanted to remain in Moto3 for 2014, Marc VDS did a deal with the Ajo team to have the Australian ride for Ajo in Moto3. In 2015, however, Marc VDS believe they have Miller under a cast iron contract. Red Bull KTM team manager – and as of late last year, Jack Miller's personal manager – Aki Ajo is adamant that Miller is not under contract to anyone. A battle for power looks set to be played out over the head of an exceptionally talented young man. Miller is smart and talented enough not to be distracted by the problems between his new manager and his future team. But it isn't easy.

[Shaun Harris]

From Motomatters:
Contract issues are even reaching as far as Moto3. A war is brewing between Aki Ajo and Michael Bartholemy of Marc VDS over the future of Jack Miller, the promising young Australian leading the Moto3 championship. Marc VDS have a contract with Miller for three seasons, from 2014 through 2016. As Miller wanted to remain in Moto3 for 2014, Marc VDS did a deal with the Ajo team to have the Australian ride for Ajo in Moto3. In 2015, however, Marc VDS believe they have Miller under a cast iron contract. Red Bull KTM team manager – and as of late last year, Jack Miller's personal manager – Aki Ajo is adamant that Miller is not under contract to anyone. A battle for power looks set to be played out over the head of an exceptionally talented young man. Miller is smart and talented enough not to be distracted by the problems between his new manager and his future team. But it isn't easy.








All just journalist talk so far man, be interesting here what Jack himself has to say about these rumours

[Shaun Harris]

10-45 am today Motogp qualify on sommet sport again

[Reckless]

All just journalist talk so far man, be interesting here what Jack himself has to say about these rumours

I half pye skimmed an interview/article on jack miller and his future on Facebook via the moto gp site havnt got time atm maybe someone can copy and paste it (think it was yesterday)

[Dave-]

Marc Marquez makes a mistake, evidence that he is in fact a mortal!

[Drew]

Marc Marquez makes a mistake, evidence that he is in fact a mortal!
Wondering if I can stay awake to watch the race tonight. Be cool to watch him carve through the field.

[Mental Trousers]

Marc Marquez makes a mistake, evidence that he is in fact a mortal!

Early in the season I was willing to put money on Marquez starting from Pole in every race this season. Still think he'll win every race this season though.

[george formby]

Wondering if I can stay awake to watch the race tonight. Be cool to watch him carve through the field.

:2thumbsup Ditto. After Mugello & MM's deposit in the kitty litter yesterday I'm all keyed up. Been drinkin veggie juice all day in the hope of remaining conscious after 11pm.

[Shaun Harris]

Early in the season I was willing to put money on Marquez starting from Pole in every race this season. Still think he'll win every race this season though.




I will bet against that?

[BMWST?]

Wondering if I can stay awake to watch the race tonight. Be cool to watch him carve through the field.
he is still on the front row I think

[Dave-]

he is still on the front row I think

Yeah, crashes out of qualifying.

Still on the front row.

Outstanding.

[ecko_nzed]

Awesome last few laps from Millar in moto3.

[Shaun Harris]

Awesome last few laps from Millar in moto3.






his bike is still to slow

[Mental Trousers]

I will bet against that?

https://www.tab.co.nz/

[Shaun Harris]

https://www.tab.co.nz/




with you, box of heineken?

[ecko_nzed]

his bike is still to slow

Yeah, he looks a bit bigger than your average moto3 jockey. Has he got bigger fairings yet?

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah, he looks a bit bigger than your average moto3 jockey. Has he got bigger fairings yet?







It did not look that way

[ellipsis]

Wondering if I can stay awake to watch the race tonight. Be cool to watch him carve through the field.

...i just did the finish to 28 days of yakka on the trot...at 4pm when i got home and looked at the clock i didn't think i would make it...still here though, and very alive...'mazin what six cans and a few bourbons will do to the head...and a day off tomorrow:banana:

[Mental Trousers]

with you, box of heineken?

Already gonna be losing at least 3 dozen this season, probably more. So nah.

[Cam_Valk]

Fucking Hell, what a race!
Best one so far of this season.
Those last couple of laps almost had me off my seat.

[ellipsis]

...wow...breathless after that...

[ecko_nzed]

Best race in a fuckin loooooooooooooooooooooong time. :2thumbsup:

[eelracing]

Best race (from Pedro) in a fuckin loooooooooooooooooooooong time. :2thumbsup:

Clarified that for ya.


But yeah it was a cracker,Dani was the man and layed it all on to give Marc a go.
And with Vale refusing to accept that old dogs can't learn new tricks this season is getting better and better.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Awesome race. But...when MM ran into the back of Dani on the picks (last season)...he was a lose unit and a mad man. Dani does it and it's all good? Which by the way...I have no issue with. May all of the races be like that.

[Erelyes]

Awesome race. But...when MM ran into the back of Dani on the picks (last season)...he was a lose unit and a mad man. Dani does it and it's all good? Which by the way...I have no issue with. May all of the races be like that.

Do you mean Aragon when MM clipped Dani's TCS wire, leading him to highside it? That was epic. I think the reaction came from the result as much as anything.

I think Dani was VERY lucky today, a couple mil further and they would have been swimming in the gravel trap together. Literally touching the limit! Fuckin great race though, pity Vale couldn't hold MM off

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do you mean Aragon when MM clipped Dani's TCS wire, leading him to highside it? That was epic. I think the reaction came from the result as much as anything.

I think Dani was VERY lucky today, a couple mil further and they would have been swimming in the gravel trap together. Literally touching the limit! Fuckin great race though, pity Vale couldn't hold MM off

Yep. And yeah...Rossi was great. Pity Lorenzo couldn't add to the party.

[Shaun Harris]

Rossi's warm up crash was funny, he is hanging off the bike that far now ala #93 that he literally just fell off the inside of the bike

[Shaun Harris]

Awesome race. But...when MM ran into the back of Dani on the picks (last season)...he was a lose unit and a mad man. Dani does it and it's all good? Which by the way...I have no issue with. May all of the races be like that.




apples for apples, I think you would find that if #93 had been taken down, there would have been some questions to awnser for Pedi, but even #93 admits to changing his line and tactics in that corner as it was the last lap and he knew what no2 would be trying to do, basically he brake checked Pedi haha crazy shit at that level but #93 is still a kid really.




Hey, so who is CC going to ride for next year, as I can gaurantee it will not be his Factory Ducati team haha, hope he made a shit load of dosh this year from them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey, so who is CC going to ride for next year, as I can gaurantee it will not be his Factory Ducati team haha, hope he made a shit load of dosh this year from them.

Yeah. Worst decision ever.

[Billy]

basically he brake checked Pedi haha crazy shit at that level but #93 is still a kid really.




Hahaha and wasn't that obvious,I was willing Rossi to do it earlier LOL

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah. Worst decision ever.






As a rider yes, but not as a business man, sad but true. Suzuki Suzuki Suzuki for him in 2015


Hey we have a proper factory bike break down with Bautista< Must be a first in years that I can think off, but his bike gets trashed that much, I am not surprised, one little pebble trapped in the wire loom some where chafing away would do it. ( Ducatis do not count as factory bikes remember haha)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hahaha and wasn't that obvious,I was willing Rossi to do it earlier LOL

Certainly not like he hasn't done it before.

[Shaun Harris]

Hahaha and wasn't that obvious,I was willing Rossi to do it earlier LOL






I Just want to see the feker win again 0.1 per turn is al he needs to really put #93 on the edge of survival, his bike and riding is still the tidiest to watch out there I guarantee his first congratulations will come from his young mate #93, roll on Assen

[Shaun Harris]

Certainly not like he hasn't done it before.






even us low life have done, it is a fight! Just no fists used

[Shaun Harris]

Sam Lowes to finish season ranked 7th I say, and that would be awsome for his first year in the game

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have not yet seen the MotoGP race. In the Moto2 race when the dude on the yellow bike highsided out, and the dude on the red bike (massive props to him) put himself into the gravel to avoid him.... did the guy in the yellow have an air bag suit which inflated? He sort of scuttled crab-like through the gravel and I thought it might be because the bags had inflated and held him in his racing crouch. Curious... anyone know?

[Crasherfromwayback]

even us low life have done, it is a fight! Just no fists used

Well I can honestly say I've never done it. Don't believe in it.

[ellipsis]

I have not yet seen the MotoGP race. In the Moto2 race when the dude on the yellow bike highsided out, and the dude on the red bike (massive props to him) put himself into the gravel to avoid him.... did the guy in the yellow have an air bag suit which inflated? He sort of scuttled crab-like through the gravel and I thought it might be because the bags had inflated and held him in his racing crouch. Curious... anyone know?


...that was a heart stopper...big ups to Folger for getting past without taking the other riders head off...

[HenryDorsetCase]

...that was a heart stopper...big ups to Folger for getting past without taking the other riders head off...

It was shades of Simoncelli..... thankfully without the same result. Or Gardner Uncini if you're old enough...

[Billy]

even us low life have done, it is a fight! Just no fists used

Yip,

Seen plenty of top level riders use it,Here and overseas,Its called racecraft,Controlling the race pace or whatever else you may wish to call it,Seems to depend who does it as to how it is seen,Atleast Rossi didn't pass under a yellow (Well not this time anyways haha)

[Shaun Harris]

Yip,

Seen plenty of top level riders use it,Here and overseas,Its called racecraft,Controlling the race pace or whatever else you may wish to call it,Seems to depend who does it as to how it is seen,Atleast Rossi didn't pass under a yellow (Well not this time anyways haha)





Robert Holden taught me a great one years back that I got to apply to him in an all in triumph race class in the uk, as I passed him on the streigh I reached over and hit his KILL SWITCH haha he was not happy untill I reminded him of him doing it to a rider here years before hand, I studied Robert intenselly, he was always my NZ hero.

[FROSTY]

all three of those guys looked to be riding like there literally was nothing more to give. What impresses me the most was twice the clearcut desision made to remove any potential advantage gained from mistakes.-Yep riding on the edge,yea racecraft,But gentlemen with it.
-Yea ok it also removed any possibility of position and points srtipping but it was just so well done.

[Shaun Harris]

all three of those guys looked to be riding like there literally was nothing more to give. What impresses me the most was twice the clearcut desision made to remove any potential advantage gained from mistakes.-Yep riding on the edge,yea racecraft,But gentlemen with it.
-Yea ok it also removed any possibility of position and points srtipping but it was just so well done.






#93 passes were so cool and committed. He who hesitates crashes

[pritch]

Can't complain about a lack of drama in that race - brilliant.

Minutae detali of the weekend: I may be a bit slow, but I see that the Yamaha factory bikes have changed from Termignoni pipes to Akrapovic. Not sure exactly when that happened, but I guess it makes people who sell the Herzagovina company's products happy.

I see they had the new pipes in Argentina but can't find an earlier photo that shows the right side of the bike. I guess they have been using them all season.

[Shaun Harris]

Can't complain about a lack of drama in that race - brilliant.

Minutae detali of the weekend: I may be a bit slow, but I see that the Yamaha factory bikes have changed from Termignoni pipes to Akrapovic. Not sure exactly when that happened, but I guess it makes people who sell the Herzagovina company's products happy.







Had not noticed that Pritch, keen eyes young man

[speights_bud]

I also noticed that the Honda bikes have a new looking piece of carbon fibre under the swingarms on both sides?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10402854_810692405607878_3349605401596348455_n.jpg

[DidJit]

I can now agree with those on here who have experienced a GP: TV just doesn't do it justice — it is simply amazing when you're actually there amongst 90,000-odd others. Very memorable experience. If you ever get the chance to go to a GP, take it with both hands.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can now agree with those on here who have experienced a GP: TV just doesn't do it justice — it is simply amazing when you're actually there amongst 90,000-odd others. Very memorable experience. If you ever get the chance to go to a GP, take it with both hands.

AWESOME Bro!!! I was hoping to get to this GP in 2010, but Rach and I went to Valencia instead. You got a cracker of a round mate...very jealous!! Pictures please!!! And yeah...being there? PRICELESS!

[jellywrestler]

I studied Robert intenselly, he was always my NZ hero. I thought Drew was?

[Reckless]

Well I must say best race I've seen for I can't remember how long!
So pleased for Danni he looked really happy with himself.

The thing that's different about this season is they are racing so hard but seem genuinely respectful of with each other!
No sullenness or bad shit goin on like other seasons etc they even sorted out the yellow like gentlemen.
I'm wondering if its the Rossi effect MM seems to be carrying on in a like manner.

Poor ole JL just didn't seem to be able to keep up. Bradl did well for the first few laps he might actually be a good suzuki choice? Crutchlow is doin so badly (through one thing or another) he might not even be considered at this rate?
Gonna watch that one again my feckin son was yellin at the TV so hard I missed some of it?
Bloody Tremendous !!

[pritch]

Overnight Smith said he was following Crutchlow at the test and felt sorry for him as CC had to save the bike with his knee on every corner. That sounds like a hard day at the office.

Yamaha were testing a new exhaust system. Lorenzo and Rossi had one each. Yamaha must have been scoping the CBR :whistle:

[Shaun Harris]

Overnight Smith said he was following Crutchlow at the test and felt sorry for him as CC had to save the bike with his knee on every corner. That sounds like a hard day at the office.

Yamaha were testing a new exhaust system. Lorenzo and Rossi had one each. Yamaha must have been scoping the CBR :whistle:







I realy respect the fighter spirit in Crutchlow and his raw speed, but with him being on a Ducati, it has really opened my eyes to just how good Iannone is

[Crasherfromwayback]

Overnight Smith said he was following Crutchlow at the test and felt sorry for him as CC had to save the bike with his knee on every corner. That sounds like a hard day at the office.

:

Maybe he should ask Dovi how to ride it.

[Mental Trousers]

Overnight Smith said he was following Crutchlow at the test and felt sorry for him as CC had to save the bike with his knee on every corner. That sounds like a hard day at the office.

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Maybe he should ask Dovi how to ride it.

Highlights the problem of where the centre of gravity is on the Ducati. Crutchlow does the stick the leg out thing, which gets weight lower and further back than keeping your feet on the pegs. That's the last thing that's needed on the Ducati. The CoG is already low and rearward.

Dovi keeps his feet on the pegs and tends to get forward, against the tank. He also sits up a little higher on the brakes, which helps get weight forward.

Riding style won't fix the problems with the Ducati, but it'll help/hinder depending on what they do.

[Reckless]

Maybe he should ask Dovi how to ride it.

I think for the last few years its either a bike you have a style/feel for or not? Casey did, Dovi sorta, Rossi didnt, Crutchlow doesn't.

Trouble is if you don't your absolute shit!

[Oscar]

I realy respect the fighter spirit in Crutchlow and his raw speed, but with him being on a Ducati, it has really opened my eyes to just how good Iannone is

I agree - Iannone is one to watch.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I agree - Iannone is one to watch.

Yeah be good to see him on a Honda next year.

[Oscar]

Yeah be good to see him on a Honda next year.

I'd like to see Dovi back on a Honda too.
Ducati seems to be putting the handbrake on a lot of promising careers...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'd like to see Dovi back on a Honda too.
Ducati seems to be putting the handbrake on a lot of promising careers...

I'm hoping Suzuki bag Dovi mate. Think Bautista will be out of a job next year!

[Mental Trousers]

I'm hoping Suzuki bag Dovi mate. Think Bautista will be out of a job next year!

He's having a pretty miserable time of it at the moment. At least he hasn't taken out the Championship leader. Although that might liven things up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He's having a pretty miserable time of it at the moment. At least he hasn't taken out the Championship leader. Although that might liven things up.

Yeah bit of a shame really, as the kid can actually go alright when he's on.

[Reckless]

I'd like to see Dovi back on a Honda too.
Ducati seems to be putting the handbrake on a lot of promising careers...

If Suzuki where at all interested in Crutchlow he'd be paying them to go I reckon lol
I read somewhere Suzuki are a bit frugal, why they haven't been as successful as they could have been in the past?

I'm also wondering if DP's new performance contract rumors have bought out the animal in him?
Mind you it could be as simple as a track MM didnt like so much and VR and DP did?
Doesn't pay to over think these things sometimes?

I also see that DP is the biggest contributer to Hondas 100 win record

The wins have been achieved by 13 riders in total: Dani Pedrosa (25), Valentino Rossi (20), Casey Stoner (15), Marc Marquez (13), Sete Gibernau (8), Marco Melandri (5), Nicky Hayden (3), Max Biaggi (3), Alex Barros (3), Makoto Tamada (2), Tohru Ukawa (1), Toni Elias (1) and Andrea Dovizioso (1).

Along with the 100 victories in the MotoGP class, Honda have celebrated seven Constructor’s Championships (2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2011, 2012, 2013) and five Rider’s Championships (2002, 2003, 2006, 2011, 2013).

[Shaun Harris]

I'm hoping Suzuki bag Dovi mate. Think Bautista will be out of a job next year!




He sure would be very consistent for them

[Crasherfromwayback]

He sure would be very consistent for them

And he's ridden pretty much every other bike so should have plenty of direction for Suzuki to follow.

[pritch]

Statistic I read this morning provided some perspective. In eighteen months Marquez has won as many GPs as Biaggi won in eight years in the top class.

[Oscar]

I'm hoping Suzuki bag Dovi mate. Think Bautista will be out of a job next year!

Isn't Suzuki looking at Laverty?

[Shaun Harris]

Isn't Suzuki looking at Laverty?




They will be running 2 riders as factory team.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Isn't Suzuki looking at Laverty?


They will be running 2 riders as factory team.

Wot e said I think Oscar.

[Oscar]

They will be running 2 riders as factory team.

That will be great, as I worry as to how long Audi is going to put up with Ducati in MotoGP...

[Crasherfromwayback]

That will be great, as I worry as to how long Audi is going to put up with Ducati in MotoGP...

Yeah they need to finally get their shit together eh.

[Mental Trousers]

I'd be very surprised if Gigi hasn't sat down with Audi and Ducati management and gotten approval and backing for his plan to sort things out. That plan is most likely to span then next 18 months, not just this season.

[Reckless]

Yeah they need to finally get their shit together eh.

Must be starting to hurt sales if you where a GP fan would you buy a Ducati?
Vicious circle is forming for them they wont be able to get a decent rider even if they could fix the bike?

[Mental Trousers]

Must be starting to hurt sales if you where a GP fan would you buy a Ducati?
Vicious circle is forming for them they wont be able to get a decent rider even if they could fix the bike?

You're right about getting decent riders, although the moment they get a win they'll have a truck load of riders wanting to sign up for them. Everyone wants a Factory ride, that's been proven in recent years. No matter how bad the results have been they've still gotten great riders, although not the absolute best.

As for sales, the Panigale appears to be out selling everything else. It's weird cos Ducati has always heavily banked on the win on Sunday, sell on Monday philosophy and it's worked. Until now. This looks more like a case of sexiness sells instead of success sells.

[Reckless]

You're right about getting decent riders, although the moment they get a win they'll have a truck load of riders wanting to sign up for them. Everyone wants a Factory ride, that's been proven in recent years. No matter how bad the results have been they've still gotten great riders, although not the absolute best.

As for sales, the Panigale appears to be out selling everything else. It's weird cos Ducati has always heavily banked on the win on Sunday, sell on Monday philosophy and it's worked. Until now. This looks more like a case of sexiness sells instead of success sells.

Maybe its wsbk thats saving their ass?? I actually paid my subscription but havnt had time to watch any of it since Philip island?
How is the Panigale doing there?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Must be starting to hurt sales if you where a GP fan would you buy a Ducati?
Vicious circle is forming for them they wont be able to get a decent rider even if they could fix the bike?

Wave enough money at peeps and they'll ride it I guess. Like CC. But as for CC stating a couple of years ago that he rides like Stoner...umm..yeah...woteva!

[Reckless]

Wave enough money at peeps and they'll ride it I guess. Like CC. But as for CC stating a couple of years ago that he rides like Stoner...umm..yeah...woteva!

The guy that resembles Stoner the closest is MM. Although the others are catching on :)
Isnt it interesting that all their training is dirt flat track ??

[Mental Trousers]

Maybe its wsbk thats saving their ass?? I actually paid my subscription but havnt had time to watch any of it since Philip island?
How is the Panigale doing there?

http://www.worldsbk.com/en/results%20statistics

Chaz and Giugliano have had their moments but so far you'd be hard pressed to say it's been a great success. However, in the EVO class it definitely has been successful.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The guy that resembles Stoner the closest is MM. Although the others are catching on :)
Isnt it interesting that all their training is dirt flat track ??

Yeah pretty sure I read that MM uses basically the same sort of settings Stoner did. And yeah...MM is a weapon on a flat track. Looks like Rossi is more prepared to ride the bike sideways than Lorenzo...so maybe that's why Lorenzo's having such a tough time of it this season? Needs to forget the 250 riding style and get the thing sideways...

[Reckless]

Yeah pretty sure I read that MM uses basically the same sort of settings Stoner did. And yeah...MM is a weapon on a flat track. Looks like Rossi is more prepared to ride the bike sideways than Lorenzo...so maybe that's why Lorenzo's having such a tough time of it this season? Needs to forget the 250 riding style and get the thing sideways...

Every second vid thats on FB via motoGP etc is either Rossi at his ranch on his flat track or MM racing his mates doing the same thing.
They are both pretty good tbh. Cant remember seeing anything of the other riders maybe its the last 1/4% and its paying off?
Although DP was onto it last GP :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Every second vid thats on FB via motoGP etc is either Rossi at his ranch on his flat track or MM racing his mates doing the same thing.
They are both pretty good tbh. Cant remember seeing anything of the other riders maybe its the last 1/4% and its paying off?
Although DP was onto it last GP :)

Did you see MM racing at his flat track event a while back? Hanging with the best in the world.

[Drew]

I don't think that Marquez rides as much like Stoner, as everyone (probably including Stoner) says.

Everyone else is catching on to how Marquez does it, and no one could emulate Stoner at all.

So not to take away from Marquez at all, he is a fucken freak for just going out and doing it. But he seems to be doing nothing particularly more difficult than the rest of the crop were, he just had the balls and skill to do it first.

Anyhoo, just saw the last race. What a fucken choice spectacle! Rossi did so fucken well to slow Marquez up mid turn for 15 or so laps.

Jorge for Suzuki!!!

[BMWST?]

I reckon dp looked the fastest,MM,isnt afraid to try to overtake anyone at any corner,strangely the honda looks so stable under brakes,it was only a couple of seasons ago,that the yamaha had that trait

[DidJit]

AWESOME Bro!!! I was hoping to get to this GP in 2010, but Rach and I went to Valencia instead. You got a cracker of a round mate...very jealous!! Pictures please!!! And yeah...being there? PRICELESS!

I'm still out and about over those ways, but I'll write something up on my return. Didn't really take too many pictures, was a little awed taking it all in to be honest, but there'll be one or two. Definitely a priceless experience!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm still out and about over those ways, but I'll write something up on my return. Didn't really take too many pictures, was a little awed taking it all in to be honest, but there'll be one or two. Definitely a priceless experience!

For sure mate. And isn't Barcelona an incredible city!!!

[pritch]

But he seems to be doing nothing particularly more difficult than the rest of the crop were.


That's not what I've been reading. He has been doing stuff nobody did before. There will be some pretty big brains staring at video trying to figure out exactly what he's up to.

[Oscar]

For sure mate. And isn't Barcelona an incredible city!!!

I love it.
We're going back there next year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I love it.
We're going back there next year.

Aye. I've always been a huge fan of Gaudi's work, so to see it in the flesh was unfuckingreal. Can't wait to go back. You doing the GP no doubt Oscar?

[Oscar]

Aye. I've always been a huge fan of Gaudi's work, so to see it in the flesh was unfuckingreal. Can't wait to go back. You doing the GP no doubt Oscar?

Yup, and maybe a bit of trailriding.

[Shaun Harris]

That's not what I've been reading. He has been doing stuff nobody did before. There will be some pretty big brains staring at video trying to figure out exactly what he's up to.





post some up man or a link, I cannot see anything new or different ( Ignore the elbow) that he is doing, he is just doing it all 100% committed and with huge passion