MotoGP 2015

[carbonhed]

Ducati being allowed to develop the bike is the only reason they are where they are. So it kinda proves that the rules work.

Yeah. I thought it was the entire point. Aaaaand Phillip Island is a unique circuit.

[pritch]

Aaaaand Phillip Island is a unique circuit.

Yes. More's the pity. Too many Go-Kart tracks.

Iannone may not be getting so many invites to Rossi's ranch in future?

[Autech]

Yes. More's the pity. Too many Go-Kart tracks.

Iannone may not be getting so many invites to Rossi's ranch in future?

If he loses by 3 points... :girlfight:

[Badjelly]

He didn't understand Stoner. I watched that shit live, there was no comprehension, and no 'stunned surprise'.

Didn't Rossi have his helmet on at the time? Perhaps that's why he didn't show 'stunned surprise'.

[Autech]

Pedrosa explains his issues at PI:

“The race was hard because during all the weekend I had a massive problem in the last turn," explained the three-time world champion. "I could never really go fast out of the last turn, always a lot of spinning and movement when I try to open the throttle. But I did start good, I was aggressive in the first laps and I was there, but unfortunately I couldn't fix the problem in the last turn, and everybody out of the last turn already was next to me in the straight. I was losing so much speed, and two, three tenths there.

Current rules require tyres to be fitted with a minimum pressure for safety reasons, something that Pedrosa feel was to his detriment even though he finished just 6.8 seconds off race winner and team-mate Marc Marquez.

“Yes, we had to be in a minimum pressure. Also, we couldn't reduce the pressure to make the tire work, so with my light weight, I was struggling more than the rest. But we couldn't work a lot on this because it is like that.”

Explains how Maverick and Crutchlow could live with him down the front straight. He did manage to gap them eventually but it seems it was too little too late for him.

crash.net is fully of riders complaining of rear wheel spin, can't wait till next year where they will have rear grip to for Africa on the Mitchies, will make things interesting for sure.

[Shaun Harris]

Pedrosa explains his issues at PI:

“The race was hard because during all the weekend I had a massive problem in the last turn," explained the three-time world champion. "I could never really go fast out of the last turn, always a lot of spinning and movement when I try to open the throttle. But I did start good, I was aggressive in the first laps and I was there, but unfortunately I couldn't fix the problem in the last turn, and everybody out of the last turn already was next to me in the straight. I was losing so much speed, and two, three tenths there.

Current rules require tyres to be fitted with a minimum pressure for safety reasons, something that Pedrosa feel was to his detriment even though he finished just 6.8 seconds off race winner and team-mate Marc Marquez.

“Yes, we had to be in a minimum pressure. Also, we couldn't reduce the pressure to make the tire work, so with my light weight, I was struggling more than the rest. But we couldn't work a lot on this because it is like that.”

Explains how Maverick and Crutchlow could live with him down the front straight. He did manage to gap them eventually but it seems it was too little too late for him.

crash.net is fully of riders complaining of rear wheel spin, can't wait till next year where they will have rear grip to for Africa on the Mitchies, will make things interesting for sure.


Theries and surmising is great eh. Yea the talk is the Michi has massive rear grip, but that is in comparison to the grip of the front michi, it has not, and will not, and cannot be compared to the Bridgestone, due to legal binding contracts of secrecy.

[Autech]

Theries and surmising is great eh. Yea the talk is the Michi has massive rear grip, but that is in comparison to the grip of the front michi, it has not, and will not, and cannot be compared to the Bridgestone, due to legal binding contracts of secrecy.

To be honest I though his bike had issues at the beginning as all we caught on the camera was the tail of the front straight with the Suzuki and Satellite Honda glued to his rear. I was like, eh? We know the Honda is a farking rocket ship especially with Dani's ability to stand it up and fire it off like a skud missile.

Still looks in great form though, bring on Malaysia this motherfucker is wide open!

[sil3nt]

Pedrosa explains his issues at PI:

“The race was hard because during all the weekend I had a massive problem in the last turn," explained the three-time world champion. "I could never really go fast out of the last turn, always a lot of spinning and movement when I try to open the throttle. But I did start good, I was aggressive in the first laps and I was there, but unfortunately I couldn't fix the problem in the last turn, and everybody out of the last turn already was next to me in the straight. I was losing so much speed, and two, three tenths there.

Current rules require tyres to be fitted with a minimum pressure for safety reasons, something that Pedrosa feel was to his detriment even though he finished just 6.8 seconds off race winner and team-mate Marc Marquez.

“Yes, we had to be in a minimum pressure. Also, we couldn't reduce the pressure to make the tire work, so with my light weight, I was struggling more than the rest. But we couldn't work a lot on this because it is like that.”

Explains how Maverick and Crutchlow could live with him down the front straight. He did manage to gap them eventually but it seems it was too little too late for him.

crash.net is fully of riders complaining of rear wheel spin, can't wait till next year where they will have rear grip to for Africa on the Mitchies, will make things interesting for sure.Explains why he is near the bottom of the speed trap for the weekend: http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/EventMaximumSpeed.pdf?v1_fdce5784

[carbonhed]

Can't help but think that a younger Rossi would not have come home last of the lead group or been beaten by Pedrosa a few weeks back.

This season will make a brilliant movie. The old master raging against the young lions.

I wonder how it ends?

[husaberg]

Pedrosa explains his issues at PI:

“The race was hard because during all the weekend I had a massive problem in the last turn," explained the three-time world champion. "I could never really go fast out of the last turn, always a lot of spinning and movement when I try to open the throttle. But I did start good, I was aggressive in the first laps and I was there, but unfortunately I couldn't fix the problem in the last turn, and everybody out of the last turn already was next to me in the straight. I was losing so much speed, and two, three tenths there.

Current rules require tyres to be fitted with a minimum pressure for safety reasons, something that Pedrosa feel was to his detriment even though he finished just 6.8 seconds off race winner and team-mate Marc Marquez.

“Yes, we had to be in a minimum pressure. Also, we couldn't reduce the pressure to make the tire work, so with my light weight, I was struggling more than the rest. But we couldn't work a lot on this because it is like that.”

Explains how Maverick and Crutchlow could live with him down the front straight. He did manage to gap them eventually but it seems it was too little too late for him.

crash.net is fully of riders complaining of rear wheel spin, can't wait till next year where they will have rear grip to for Africa on the Mitchies, will make things interesting for sure.

I find that hard to believe that there is not a technical tweek/fix for that like say measuring the inflated pressure at a much higher temp or using another gas instead of the nitrogen they likely use.
The guy works for HRC there must be a way that money can fix that.

[Shaun Harris]

I find that hard to believe that there is not a technical tweek/fix for that like say measuring the inflated pressure at a much higher temp or using another gas instead of the nitrogen they likely use.
The guy works for HRC there must be a way that money can fix that.



No tech tweak or diff gas can reduce MIN psi dude, min psi is a rule! Light weight rider, is better to have lower psi for grip, but also must still adjust all settings, to retain the ultimate tire carcass opp temp

[husaberg]

No tech tweak or diff gas can reduce MIN psi dude, min psi is a rule! Light weight rider, is better to have lower psi for grip, but also must still adjust all settings, to retain the ultimate tire carcass opp temp

Yeah but different gases behave in different ways, that why they generally use nitrogen as it heats up less (due to tyre heat) so is more consistent pressure from hot to cold in service
Using a different gas that has different properties should maybe still be legal.
Air pressure increases as it heats up more so for simple atmosphere air than nitrogen I doubt there is anything in the rules, defining what temperature the pressure is measured at or what gas must be used. (but there may be)
There is of course multiple other ways to get heat into the rear tyre. Or he could just ballast the bike, or eat more pies. I am pretty sure the other riders feel his low weight is much more of an advantage than a hindrance.

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah but different gases behave in different ways, that why they generally use nitrogen as it heats up less (due to tyre heat) so is more consistent pressure from hot to cold in service
Using a different gas that has different properties should maybe still be legal.
Air pressure increases as it heats up more so for simple atmosphere air than nitrogen I doubt there is anything in the rules, defining what temperature the pressure is measured at or what gas must be used. (but there may be)
There is of course multiple other ways to get heat into the rear tyre. Or he could just ballast the bike, or eat more pies. I am pretty sure the other riders feel his low weight is much more of an advantage than a hindrance.



Low weight = free Horse power! and we on the net can rabbit on our idea;s all we like, they are a professional race team man, and know a shit load more than any fuker on the net. A tire life and grip is NOT just about pressure ( PSI) it is extremely important to have the carcass operating temp correct also.

[Autech]

No tech tweak or diff gas can reduce MIN psi dude, min psi is a rule! Light weight rider, is better to have lower psi for grip, but also must still adjust all settings, to retain the ultimate tire carcass opp temp

+1


Low weight = free Horse power! and we on the net can rabbit on our idea;s all we like, they are a professional race team man, and know a shit load more than any fuker on the net. A tire life and grip is NOT just about pressure ( PSI) it is extremely important to have the carcass operating temp correct also.

Haha, yup I weigh less than a lot of the chaps at the track when I'm out pretending to race, get much jealousy around it. Me and Askor got told last weekend that if we combined each other we would make up a "Real" racer :bleh:
There's a good video of me when I borrowed my mates bucket hammering it past about 5 bikes on the straight between turn 1 and pothole at Ruapuna after a terrible start :headbang:. Certainly makes up for all the "Eat more pies" and "You can have some of my fat" comments I get every fucking week of every fucking year for my entire fucking life.
I'm just not quite quick enough yet on the corners to take full advantage of my weight advantage.

[Shaun Harris]

+1



Haha, yup I weigh less than a lot of the chaps at the track when I'm out pretending to race, get much jealousy around it. Me and Askor got told last weekend that if we combined each other we would make up a "Real" racer :bleh:
There's a good video of me when I borrowed my mates bucket hammering it past about 5 bikes on the straight between turn 1 and pothole at Ruapuna after a terrible start :headbang:. Certainly makes up for all the "Eat more pies" and "You can have some of my fat" comments I get every fucking week of every fucking year for my entire fucking life.
I'm just not quite quick enough yet on the corners to take full advantage of my weight advantage.



LOL, I have always been 63-64 kg only, so getting out of turns and up to speed with a good handling bike, was always one of my biggest things on track.

[husaberg]

Low weight = free Horse power! and we on the net can rabbit on our idea;s all we like, they are a professional race team man, and know a shit load more than any fuker on the net. A tire life and grip is NOT just about pressure ( PSI) it is extremely important to have the carcass operating temp correct also.

All to true which is why I originally said i find it hard to believe HRC can't tweak around it for him.
re the pressure and temps the pressure is the easiest way they have to ensure the carcass temps are correctly maintained.
Of course the old days he could have had 20 or 30 tyres to choose from in multiple construction and profile and design as well as compounds and there were other suppliers.
I like the few tyre choices rule, as it cuts out the "he had better tyres" like the old days or because he was a works rider he had special tyres stuff.
Funny enough the more they restrict the rules (to save money) like the tyres the more money the teams spend tweaking stuff like this. Its just a roundabout.

Think back to the HQ racing and any controlled class racing and so forth.

Simply put Pedro has to say something was wrong, as his teammate went far far better than he did. Consistently beating your teammate is as you know nearly as important as wining come contact time.

But these are just internet musings as you say. All I know is this is going to be interesting and its been a great season thus far easily the most interesting in years. If only they could make two stokes sounds.

[Autech]

All to true which is why I originally said i find it hard to believe HRC can't tweak around it for him.
re the pressure and temps the pressure is the easiest way they have to ensure the carcass temps are correctly maintained.
Of course the old days he could have had 20 or 30 tyres to choose from in multiple construction and profile and design as well as compounds and there were other suppliers.
I like the few tyre choices rule, as it cuts out the "he had better tyres" like the old days or because he was a works rider he had special tyres stuff.
Funny enough the more they restrict the rules (to save money) like the tyres the more money the teams spend tweaking stuff like this. Its just a roundabout.

Think back to the HQ racing and any controlled class racing and so forth.

Simply put Pedro has to say something was wrong, as his teammate went far far better than he did. Consistently beating your teammate is as you know nearly as important as wining come contact time.

But these are just internet musings as you say. All I know is this is going to be interesting and its been a great season thus far easily the most interesting in years. If only they could make two stokes sounds.

He certainly stuck it to him (MM) in the opening laps. I think (here we ago again) IF Crutchlow hadn't decided duke it out as much as him in the opening bits he may have been able to live with the top guys by using the draft etc to help with that weak point. I'm not sure if he was bridging the gap much at the end but he did gap the other riders.

Imagine 5 riders going at it rather than 4... I'm hard thinking about it...

Malaysia is going to be good.

[Shaun Harris]

All to true which is why I originally said i find it hard to believe HRC can't tweak around it for him.
re the pressure and temps the pressure is the easiest way they have to ensure the carcass temps are correctly maintained.
Of course the old days he could have had 20 or 30 tyres to choose from in multiple construction and profile and design as well as compounds and there were other suppliers.
I like the few tyre choices rule, as it cuts out the "he had better tyres" like the old days or because he was a works rider he had special tyres stuff.
Funny enough the more they restrict the rules (to save money) like the tyres the more money the teams spend tweaking stuff like this. Its just a roundabout.

Think back to the HQ racing and any controlled class racing and so forth.

Simply put Pedro has to say something was wrong, as his teammate went far far better than he did. Consistently beating your teammate is as you know nearly as important as wining come contact time.

But these are just internet musings as you say. All I know is this is going to be interesting and its been a great season thus far easily the most interesting in years. If only they could make two stokes sounds.



Slight debate on this still mate. yes pressure helps carcass temp, but so does pre load, spring rate, track temp, rebound and comp, ride heights engine torque etc, so not quite as clear as mud the way you have worded it. 100% agreed re the semi control tire rules, remember even a wee while ago with VR and michi tires ha ha ha. Pedi and MM are also running diff chassis and swing arm combo,s, along with geometry settings etc, so 1 rider and bike simply cannot be compared to the other, as all riders like diff things, there is no rule that says this way is the best and only way, it all comes down to rider flexa-billity, and crew chiefs de -brief interpretation of rider comments, and the tech dude on the computer looking at the read outs. So it is exactly the same as saying " How long is a piece of string" MM is more of a loose rider than pedi, so he can make the bike go quicker than pedi nearly every day of the week in any situations, pedi needs all near on perfect to perform at his best, and that is his weak link. Take a look at how many people here in NZ use tire temp gauges, bugger all do! And most of the one's I see are the wrong ones to use also, common to see here are the ones that you just point and aim at the tire, they are crap and supply false info, the best and only ones to use, are the ones that you physically poke into the rubber to get real temp readings, with no outside interferance giving false readings.

[husaberg]

Slight debate on this still mate. yes pressure helps carcass temp, but so does pre load, spring rate, track temp, rebound and comp, ride heights engine torque etc, so not quite as clear as mud the way you have worded it. 100% agreed re the semi control tire rules, remember even a wee while ago with VR and michi tires ha ha ha. Pedi and MM are also running diff chassis and swing arm combo,s, along with geometry settings etc, so 1 rider and bike simply cannot be compared to the other, as all riders like diff things, there is no rule that says this way is the best and only way, it all comes down to rider flexa-billity, and crew chiefs de -brief interpretation of rider comments, and the tech dude on the computer looking at the read outs. So it is exactly the same as saying " How long is a piece of string" MM is more of a loose rider than pedi, so he can make the bike go quicker than pedi nearly every day of the week in any situations, pedi needs all near on perfect to perform at his best, and that is his weak link. Take a look at how many people here in NZ use tire temp gauges, bugger all do! And most of the one's I see are the wrong ones to use also, common to see here are the ones that you just point and aim at the tire, they are crap and supply false info, the best and only ones to use, are the ones that you physically poke into the rubber to get real temp readings, with no outside interferance giving false readings.

No disagreement on any of that.
Funny enough I more I look at Pedro the more he reminds me of Luca Caladora.
Anyone who has been around a while should be able to see how close his career is now emulating his.
Some riders are great at setting a bike up, other aren't, some become better, some never get it and ride around it with willpower.
But some as you said need everything perfect.

Its also fairy relevant how Rossi practices with dirt which seems to be throw back to Kenny's ranch.
I may not be a stoner fan but I do know what his background was also.
I think the flexibility and style adaptability is going to be more important in years to come.
I personally don't see a more adaptable rider than Rossi but age is catching up.

Actually where is Burgess now is still retired?
Maybe Pedro needs him or someone in the Kanemoto mould. Assuming Honda would allow it

[husaberg]

He certainly stuck it to him (MM) in the opening laps. I think (here we ago again) IF Crutchlow hadn't decided duke it out as much as him in the opening bits he may have been able to live with the top guys by using the draft etc to help with that weak point. I'm not sure if he was bridging the gap much at the end but he did gap the other riders.

Imagine 5 riders going at it rather than 4... I'm hard thinking about it...

Malaysia is going to be good.
Best race I can remember was a 125 race in the around the mid nineties can't remember where, there was like 5 or maybe 6 one ended up totally missing the last corner a chicane and straight lined it can't even remember where it was.
Will Malaysia been a late afternoon start?
That other one I posted a while back with Rossi first win on the 500 was also epic, As was one I posted ages ago with Doohan and Swanzte and Rainey all banging and barging.

[carbonhed]

Actually where is Burgess now is still retired?


I think I saw Burgess and Doohan mooching around pitlane together over the weekend.

[Shaun Harris]

No disagreement on any of that.
Funny enough I more I look at Pedro the more he reminds me of Luca Caladora.
Anyone who has been around a while should be able to see how close his career is now emulating his.
Some riders are great at setting a bike up, other aren't, some become better, some never get it and ride around it with willpower.
But some as you said need everything perfect.

Its also fairy relevant how Rossi practices with dirt which seems to be throw back to Kenny's ranch.
I may not be a stoner fan but I do know what his background was also.
I think the flexibility and style adaptability is going to be more important in years to come.
I personally don't see a more adaptable rider than Rossi but age is catching up.

Actually where is Burgess now is still retired?
Maybe Pedro needs him or someone in the Kanemoto mould. Assuming Honda would allow it



Dirt riding, flat tracking is where it is at mate, ya need to live on a bike always sliding front and rear to be a special fast rider, dirt riding is some thing I have never done. Yep CS was bloody good in the dirt for sure. Jb is still retired and always will be. I see Pedro lacking in the last % of mental will power at the end of the day, He won last weekend then 5th yesterday, ( I know he had maching issue;s, but so did every one ) not good enough imo sorry at that level. There are 3 current freaks out there, and 3 more coming in the KIWI LOL J M and Maverick ( 20) FFS and And crazy man Iannone, but later is already 30, so prob not around at the top for a long time, compared to Maverick JM and MM. Having said all that, next year is gunna change the whole game with the Michi's coming on board, it will come down to who is prepared and can adapt asap, to be the fastest out there, and we all know MM and VR will be there 100%, the rest is again just guess work. I think Sam lowes will haul ass when he gets there also.

[Shaun Harris]

I think I saw Burgess and Doohan mooching around pitlane together over the weekend.


you sure did, JB lives near Adelaide

[Brett]

Slight debate on this still mate. yes pressure helps carcass temp, but so does pre load, spring rate, track temp, rebound and comp, ride heights engine torque etc, so not quite as clear as mud the way you have worded it. 100% agreed re the semi control tire rules, remember even a wee while ago with VR and michi tires ha ha ha. Pedi and MM are also running diff chassis and swing arm combo,s, along with geometry settings etc, so 1 rider and bike simply cannot be compared to the other, as all riders like diff things, there is no rule that says this way is the best and only way, it all comes down to rider flexa-billity, and crew chiefs de -brief interpretation of rider comments, and the tech dude on the computer looking at the read outs. So it is exactly the same as saying " How long is a piece of string" MM is more of a loose rider than pedi, so he can make the bike go quicker than pedi nearly every day of the week in any situations, pedi needs all near on perfect to perform at his best, and that is his weak link. Take a look at how many people here in NZ use tire temp gauges, bugger all do! And most of the one's I see are the wrong ones to use also, common to see here are the ones that you just point and aim at the tire, they are crap and supply false info, the best and only ones to use, are the ones that you physically poke into the rubber to get real temp readings, with no outside interferance giving false readings.

You almost sound like you know what you're talking about Shaun! haha

Back a few years, I had you set up my K4 GSXR 600...still one of the best handling bikes that I have owned to date!

[Shaun Harris]

You almost sound like you know what you're talking about Shaun! haha

Back a few years, I had you set up my K4 GSXR 600...still one of the best handling bikes that I have owned to date!



LOl, thanks Brett. My forte has always been setting up chassis's and understanding the riders feed back, to make the adjustments, as well as understanding what internal part of the suspension does what to what area/zone. I learned this really from racing in japan, for a team that spoke no english, and I at the time no Japanese, so it all came down to body language communication. I love watching the WSB and motogp stuff, to play games with myself, as to what the riders are saying to there crew chiefs with there body language.

[The End]

Why did some teams (eg: Iannone on Ducati) get a softer compound in qualifying?

Fantastic race to watch, I've only recently got back in to following MotoGP and PI definitely stood out as one of the best.

[onearmedbandit]

Why did some teams (eg: Iannone on Ducati) get a softer compound in qualifying?

Fantastic race to watch, I've only recently got back in to following MotoGP and PI definitely stood out as one of the best.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/03/23/the_2015_motogp_rules_primer_engines_fue.html

They can use it in the race too but most choose not to due to lack of longevity.

[Shaun Harris]

Why did some teams (eg: Iannone on Ducati) get a softer compound in qualifying?

Fantastic race to watch, I've only recently got back in to following MotoGP and PI definitely stood out as one of the best.


Full Factory team Versus learning to be a full factory team ha ha. NEW/ish teams get a couple of special perks to get them selves up to a full on capable of winning races team which Ducati already is, with VR or MM of JL on Board now, not a few years ago with rossi and JB, things at Ducati have changed big time since those days. These teams also get to run an extra 2 litres of fuel, to try and gain a bit of extra speed from fuel mapping

[BMWST?]

Why did some teams (eg: Iannone on Ducati) get a softer compound in qualifying?

Fantastic race to watch, I've only recently got back in to following MotoGP and PI definitely stood out as one of the best.
Ducati have been granted the status of an OPEN bike more fuel,softer tyres,spec ecu,so that they could develop the bike more.I think they were about to pull the plug after rossi went back to Yamaha.There are caveats ,they have lost half of their original fule allowance,and i think a certain number of podiums or a wins puts them back as a "factory" bike

[The End]

Full Factory team Versus learning to be a full factory team ha ha. NEW/ish teams get a couple of special perks to get them selves up to a full on capable of winning races team which Ducati already is, with VR or MM of JL on Board now, not a few years ago with rossi and JB, things at Ducati have changed big time since those days. These teams also get to run an extra 2 litres of fuel, to try and gain a bit of extra speed from fuel mapping


https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/03/23/the_2015_motogp_rules_primer_engines_fue.html

They can use it in the race too but most choose not to due to lack of longevity.

Cheers, thanks for that.

One of the better photos from the weekend...

http://i.imgur.com/6pJr6tA.jpg

[Autech]

Good, I fucking hate seagulls


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[bogan]

phoar, glad I didn't peek at this thread before watching that race. Was fucking mint!

[merv]

Great ride from MM for sure on that last lap. As for Dani and the tyre pressure is there some software Honda could get off Volkswagen to make sure his bike passes tests okay and still performs on track?

[Shaun Harris]

Good, I fucking hate seagulls


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Haha Squarcking fukers, loads in NP due to the coast line and the port

[Shaun Harris]

Great ride from MM for sure on that last lap. As for Dani and the tyre pressure is there some software Honda could get off Volkswagen to make sure his bike passes tests okay and still performs on track?


Lol, just watched the race an hour ago myself, what a dam ripper. Was very impressed with VR and the hand shakes instantly. Fuk that duc has some top end, bet VR is envious now lol

[denill]

I believe they all genuinely enjoy their racing.

[husaberg]

Lol, just watched the race an hour ago myself, what a dam ripper. Was very impressed with VR and the hand shakes instantly. Fuk that duc has some top end, bet VR is envious now lol

I'm picking he would rather be boiled in oil than ride the Ducati
I can't find the pic with the flying Rossi and flying to bits Ducatis with he tank suspended mid air.
So this will have to do
http://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Casey-Stoner-Valentino-Rossi-crash-Jerez-Spanish-GP-motogp-qutoes.jpg
I had an add up
4 seconds and 3 thirds this year for Ducati thus far

[Drew]

LOL, I have always been 63-64 kg only, so getting out of turns and up to speed with a good handling bike, was always one of my biggest things on track.

Why did you cheat with your forks then?

[pritch]

Fuk that duc has some top end, bet VR is envious now lol

Hasn't worked for them anywhere other than Phillip Island, there's less stop/start and tight turns there than the other kart tracks though.
Still, it's likely that the engineers in the headshed at Hamamatsu will have noticed the deficit. I bet the boyos at Borgo Panigale did.

[husaberg]

Hasn't worked for them anywhere other than Phillip Island, there's less stop/start and tight turns there than the other kart tracks though.
Still, it's likely that the engineers in the headshed at Hamamatsu will have noticed the deficit. I bet the boyos at Borgo Panigale did.

4 seconds and 3 thirds this year for Ducati thus far

[BMWST?]

Lol, just watched the race an hour ago myself, what a dam ripper. Was very impressed with VR and the hand shakes instantly. Fuk that duc has some top end, bet VR is envious now lol
he wont be because then he would not have the sweet handling Yamaha,which is crucial to him.

[Shaun Harris]

It would have been good to see some serious close up's, of just how close front too rear wheels got in some of that racing, it was old fashioned good shit, Loved Crazyjoes move on VR and MM in one swoop, very ballsy and well executed. Be great to see the Suzuki with a little more HP and there seamless box also. CC rode great also I thought, and Dovi must have fealt like shit way back there.

[carbonhed]

It would have been good to see some serious close up's, of just how close front too rear wheels got in some of that racing, it was old fashioned good shit, Loved Crazyjoes move on VR and MM in one swoop, very ballsy and well executed. Be great to see the Suzuki with a little more HP and there seamless box also. CC rode great also I thought, and Dovi must have fealt like shit way back there.

There's some slow motion stuff on MotoGP.com. Really you think they could put together a free package of the highlights for that race... priceless advertising.

[Shaun Harris]

There's some slow motion stuff on MotoGP.com. Really you think they could put together a free package of the highlights for that race... priceless advertising.



I am not a member of it mate, I get sent a link 24hrs after the race to watch them.

[Erelyes]

Postrace interview, Gavin Emmett with Iannone.... crackup.

Gavin: "Absoutely a brilliant job. Did you say sorry to the bird?"
Joe: "...???"
"L'uccello"
"Aaahh.......? heheh....? ah, so, Mugello is really good, no"
"No, l'uccello"
"Aah, l'uccello, yeah! Kiss me! He want kiss me, I don't know why, so, hehe.... why not go out on the track? This is the track for the motorcycle, for the rider! Ah, no, he want kiss me!"

Wow. Unbelievable race. I had $5 on MM for the win and $5 on Joe for a podium. I tell you what, the dog was looking at me like I was a fucking nutter during the last lap!

[denill]

The Duke had GRUNT and the Suzuki wasn't too shabby either.

[Moise]

Yeah but different gases behave in different ways, that why they generally use nitrogen as it heats up less (due to tyre heat) so is more consistent pressure from hot to cold in service
Using a different gas that has different properties should maybe still be legal.
Air pressure increases as it heats up more so for simple atmosphere air than nitrogen I doubt there is anything in the rules, defining what temperature the pressure is measured at or what gas must be used. (but there may be)
There is of course multiple other ways to get heat into the rear tyre. Or he could just ballast the bike, or eat more pies. I am pretty sure the other riders feel his low weight is much more of an advantage than a hindrance.
All gases increase in pressure at the same rate with increasing temperature. Wouldn't make any difference what they put in the tyres.

Pedrosa was born 10 years too late, the bikes are just too heavy for small riders now.

[Shaun Harris]

All gases increase in pressure at the same rate with increasing temperature. Wouldn't make any difference what they put in the tyres.

Pedrosa was born 10 years too late, the bikes are just too heavy for small riders now.



Are you 100% sure, and do you call Oxygen and nitrogen a gas?"

[Drew]

Different gasses are different 'weights'. That 'weight' dictates how it reacts to temp and pressure.

To say they all do the same thing at certain temp is fucken retarded.

[FROSTY]

All gases increase in pressure at the same rate with increasing temperature. Wouldn't make any difference what they put in the tyres.

Pedrosa was born 10 years too late, the bikes are just too heavy for small riders now.
HOLEY COW--bet you go tell ALL the airlines in the world.All the armed forces running aircraft this stunning fact.
You will be a millionaire on the royalties you'll get from the savings they make

[bogan]

He's probably just confusing Boyle's gas law with the idea gas law; which has "R is the ideal, or universal, gas constant, equal to the product of the Boltzmann constant and the Avogadro constant."

[husaberg]

All gases increase in pressure at the same rate with increasing temperature. Wouldn't make any difference what they put in the tyres.

Pedrosa was born 10 years too late, the bikes are just too heavy for small riders now.

You are correct but you need to account for the different mass.
Pressure
_______________ = constant
Temperature

Thus For a fixed mass of gas, at a constant volume, the pressure (p) is directly proportional to the absolute temperature (T)."
But you need to remember not all gasses have equal mass.Thus not all gases respond to heat the same for a given pressure.


Nitrogen is also used when tyres are exposed to extreme heating, because it doesn't heat as much when placed under pressure when compared to "atmospheric air".

Imagine the sudden load an airplane tyre experiences when landing. Some heavy trucks also use nitrogen to reduce tyre wear caused by having a heavy load causing excess tyre heating. Racers who use proper race tyres designed to operate at high temperature use nitrogen because nitrogen makes the tyre run cooler and last longer.
In fairness 80% of the air is nitrogen anyway.
But if the other bikes were using Nitrogen, Danni could have used Simple compressed air.


Gas Molecular weight

Helium 4.02
Nitrogen 28.02
Air 29
CO2 44.01

As Shaun said HRC know all this or have people that do.

[J.A.W.]

Nitrogen is also used when tyres are exposed to extreme heating, because it doesn't heat as much when placed under pressure when compared to "atmospheric air".

Imagine the sudden load an airplane tyre experiences when landing. Some heavy trucks also use nitrogen to reduce tyre wear caused by having a heavy load causing excess tyre heating. Racers who use proper race tyres designed to operate at high temperature use nitrogen because nitrogen makes the tyre run cooler and last longer.

In fairness 80% of the air is nitrogen

Air also contains water vapour, & reactive elements such as oxygen, so yeah, its SOP for a factory racing outfit to have only dry nitrogen in tyres..
Some may recall the dramas at Phillip Is. when Bridgestone did not pre-test on the newly ( & abrasively) re-surfaced track & M-M ended up being Black F'd
for exceeding the mandatory pit stop/tyre change lap limit in the GP, this after tyres had been failing - in less than race length - runs.

Hence the rigid rule application on minimum tyre pressure.. that the wee fella was on about..

I also note that Moto 2 have still not bested Simmo's fastest ever 250 GP lap around P.Is... from way back in the previous decade.. its time they were dropped..

[Autech]

Did someone say something?


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[Doppleganger]

Who heard the Miller V Hodgson grid interview :clap:

[carbonhed]

Seemed to be going well from the little I saw. :facepalm:

[J.A.W.]

Did someone say something?

About the bird, here's the sequence of incident shots, bird appears to lose it in this head-to-head..

http://motor.as.com/motor/2015/10/18/album/1445167119_354828.html#1445167119_354828_144516771 50

[Shaun Harris]

Who heard the Miller V Hodgson grid interview :clap:


The one where jack said you are a wanker?

[Doppleganger]

The one where jack said you are a wanker?

Yep, TV gold right there.

[Autech]

Gotta love Miller, he's straight up and down and a bit of a cunny funt:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport/moto-gp/motogp-phillip-island-jack-miller-gives-a-turn-by-turn-tour-of-a-track-loved-by-motogps-stars/story-fn2ms4i4-1227573123738


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUrWp6Uemo&feature=youtu.be

[Shaun Harris]

Yep, TV gold right there.


Haha, It was a ripper eh, I like the young fulla's form, he is great for the sport I say, and will end a fast rider also, well top level fast. As he already is bloody fast

[Shaun Harris]

Gotta love Miller, he's straight up and down and a bit of a cunny funt:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport/moto-gp/motogp-phillip-island-jack-miller-gives-a-turn-by-turn-tour-of-a-track-loved-by-motogps-stars/story-fn2ms4i4-1227573123738




It was actually out of order for Neil to even use the words he did with that question, and have told him so directly lol

[Autech]

It was actually out of order for Neil to even use the words he did with that question, and have told him so directly lol

Too right, being surprised to see someone that far up the grid pretty much says "Look at you ya rookie cunt on a shit bike, what are ya doing there?". Basically left out Jacks home field advantage and SERIOUS riding skills.
So Jack paid him out :motu:.

[Shaun Harris]

Too right, being surprised to see someone that far up the grid pretty much says "Look at you ya rookie cunt on a shit bike, what are ya doing there?". Basically left out Jacks home field advantage and SERIOUS riding skills.
So Jack paid him out :motu:.



It was simply a miss choice of words " Foot in mouth " Neil is actually a good mate and a good guy. Did ya notice Millar go a bit red after his reply though lol

[Moise]

Are you 100% sure, and do you call Oxygen and nitrogen a gas?"
Not sure which post to reply to so I've picked this one.

Yes, I'm 100% sure. The Ideal Gas Law states that the pressure of a fixed amount and volume of gas increases in direct proportion to absolute temperature. (Mass is not in the equation)

PV = nRT

P = pressure
V = volume
n = no. of moles (molecules) of gas
R = gas constant
T = temperature (absolute)

The assumption is that the gas shows ideal behaviour. At typical tyre pressures and temperatures, the deviations for oxygen and nitrogen are minor and can be ignored.

This of course is only true for dry air, and air from service station compressors is likely to contain some moisture. That's one good reason for using nitrogen, and there are others. We got a free fill of nitrogen in the new tyres on my wife's car a year ago, and they have only lost a couple of psi in that time. But I'm lucky if the back tyre on my motorbike lasts 6 months. :)

[Shaun Harris]

Not sure which post to reply to so I've picked this one.

Yes, I'm 100% sure. The Ideal Gas Law states that the pressure of a fixed amount and volume of gas increases in direct proportion to absolute temperature. (Mass is not in the equation)

PV = nRT

P = pressure
V = volume
n = no. of moles (molecules) of gas
R = gas constant
T = temperature (absolute)

The assumption is that the gas shows ideal behaviour. At typical tyre pressures and temperatures, the deviations for oxygen and nitrogen are minor and can be ignored.

This of course is only true for dry air, and air from service station compressors is likely to contain some moisture. That's one good reason for using nitrogen, and there are others. We got a free fill of nitrogen in the new tyres on my wife's car a year ago, and they have only lost a couple of psi in that time. But I'm lucky if the back tyre on my motorbike lasts 6 months. :)





Your logic is based on theory, mine and others on here are based on fact and history of working with tires in a serious racing environment.

The back tire of your bike would last a lot longer if the chain tension was set correctly, and the shock/suspension sag settings were done correctly also, and also if the tire was at the reccomended PSI of the manufacturer of the tire, and NOT at reccomended PSI for the bike, with the tires it originally came out with!

You need to re read some of the other replies on here, which are full of facts, and not neraly facts then dude, as your original comment is incorrect, but I did not have the data to show you so. I just know 100% that your original comment was incorrect, due to my history with racing world, and asking questions and paying attn to the top people in the motorcycle racing game.

We can all learn a new thing every day, but sadly just some thing use full every six months or so un-fortunately :msn-wink:

[bogan]

You need to re read some of the other replies on here, which are full of facts, and not neraly facts then dude, as your original comment is incorrect, but I did not have the data to show you so. I just know 100% that your original comment was incorrect, due to my history with racing world, and asking questions and paying attn to the top people in the motorcycle racing game.

He's right though. Perhaps read his last line in that post some more...

[Moise]

What I've posted is a scientific fact. It doesn't matter whether or not you consider it correct, it simply is. End of story.

My rear tyre would last longer if I used less throttle!

[ellipsis]

My rear tyre would last longer if I used less throttle!

...mine lasts twice as long if I only ride half of the time that I should...

[Autech]

...mine lasts twice as long if I only ride half of the time that I should...

What are we talking about here?


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[Shaun Harris]

What I've posted is a scientific fact. It doesn't matter whether or not you consider it correct, it simply is. End of story.

My rear tyre would last longer if I used less throttle!


O well as said, we live and learn. I wonder why the factory teams with millions of dollars to spend do not always use it then, that has got me beat. Cheers for your input, but I will sticking to the formula that I and many others have worked for years, as it is a proven one to me/us.

[bogan]

...mine lasts twice as long if I only ride half of the time that I should...

mine lasts twice as long if I have twice the rides...

[ellipsis]

What are we talking about here?


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...tyres, but if you want to cross over to that side...I ride as much as before but my destination is not as far as it was some years back and sometimes I fall off before I get there...

[husaberg]

Not sure which post to reply to so I've picked this one.

Yes, I'm 100% sure. The Ideal Gas Law states that the pressure of a fixed amount and volume of gas increases in direct proportion to absolute temperature. (Mass is not in the equation)

PV = nRT

P = pressure
V = volume
n = no. of moles (molecules) of gas
R = gas constant
T = temperature (absolute)

The assumption is that the gas shows ideal behaviour. At typical tyre pressures and temperatures, the deviations for oxygen and nitrogen are minor and can be ignored.

This of course is only true for dry air, and air from service station compressors is likely to contain some moisture. That's one good reason for using nitrogen, and there are others. We got a free fill of nitrogen in the new tyres on my wife's car a year ago, and they have only lost a couple of psi in that time. But I'm lucky if the back tyre on my motorbike lasts 6 months. :)


He's right though. Perhaps read his last line in that post some more...


What I've posted is a scientific fact. It doesn't matter whether or not you consider it correct, it simply is. End of story.

My rear tyre would last longer if I used less throttle!

I have highlighted a portion of your post you haven't considered relevant. I do note this thread isn't meant to be an argument thread.
while what you are showing is the gas laws you are not considering the effects of the different molecular status of the different gasses
These attributes are forever tied together. They are highly relevant to there mass and other physical properties.

Kb is pretty lucky as they have a world renowned physicist who posts, I would ask him the question on the ese thread. I am sure he would welcome a non Ryger question.

[Autech]

...tyres, but if you want to cross over to that side...I ride as much as before but my destination is not as far as it was some years back and sometimes I fall off before I get there...

Hahaha.

I ride mine as much as often, but occasionally have had too much to drink and fail to ride it all the way home.


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[Grumph]

...tyres, but if you want to cross over to that side...I ride as much as before but my destination is not as far as it was some years back and sometimes I fall off before I get there...


Hahaha.

I ride mine as much as often, but occasionally have had too much to drink and fail to ride it all the way home.

Next time i see you both at a race meeting i must introduce you....talk about dad 'n dave....

[J.A.W.]

Next time i see you both at a race meeting i must introduce you....talk about dad 'n dave....

Translation for those who aint greybeards.. D & D = Dumb & Dumber..

[Ruahine]

Different gasses are different 'weights'. That 'weight' dictates how it reacts to temp and pressure.

To say they all do the same thing at certain temp is fucken retarded.

He is right though. Avogrado's law states that 1 mole of any gas at the same temperature and volume will exert the same pressure. The atomic weight has no relevance.

[Ruahine]

You are correct but you need to account for the different mass.
Pressure
_______________ = constant
Temperature

Thus For a fixed mass of gas, at a constant volume, the pressure (p) is directly proportional to the absolute temperature (T)."
But you need to remember not all gasses have equal mass.Thus not all gases respond to heat the same for a given pressure.


In fairness 80% of the air is nitrogen anyway.
But if the other bikes were using Nitrogen, Danni could have used Simple compressed air.


Gas Molecular weight

Helium 4.02
Nitrogen 28.02
Air 29
CO2 44.01

As Shaun said HRC know all this or have people that do.
Its not the atomic mass that but the number of molecules (moles) which relates to pressure. In theory a mole of oxygen gas will exert the same pressure as a mole of nitrogen gas provided they are in the same volume and at the same temperature.


My understanding of the use of pure nitrogen is that it is dry. Using compressed air may introduce water into the tyre which will affect the pressure/temperature relationship. The introduction of water into tyres is also an issue for aircraft which cruise at high altitude as it can freeze. Nitrogen also has the advantage of being a larger molecule so is less able to escape from the tyre compound than oxygen.

[Shaun Harris]

Its not the atomic mass that but the number of molecules which relates to pressure.


My understanding of the use of Nitrogen is that it is dry. Using compressed air may introduce water into the tyre which will affect the pressure/temperature relationship. The introduction of water into tyres is also an issue for aircraft which cruise at high altitude as it can freeze. Nitrogen also has the advantage of being a larger molecule so is less able to escape from the tyre compound than oxygen.


This I agree and understand. What I do not understand is, if the facts mentioned by others and you are correct, why do the top class world bike race teams not use Nitrogen all the time? There is some thing being missed by all of us obviously.

[husaberg]

Its not the atomic mass that but the number of molecules (moles) which relates to pressure. In theory a mole of oxygen gas will exert the same pressure as a mole of nitrogen gas provided they are in the same volume and at the same temperature.


My understanding of the use of pure nitrogen is that it is dry. Using compressed air may introduce water into the tyre which will affect the pressure/temperature relationship. The introduction of water into tyres is also an issue for aircraft which cruise at high altitude as it can freeze. Nitrogen also has the advantage of being a larger molecule so is less able to escape from the tyre compound than oxygen.

Molecular mass or molecular weight refers to the mass of a molecule. It is calculated as the sum of the mass of each constituent atom multiplied by the number of atoms of that element in the molecular formula.

All the bottom stuff is also true, plus Nitrogen gas is inert. it removes a variability, but like I said this thread isn't a place for this stuff.

The original point discussed was pedro and tyre pressure. Why he would feel he had to have less than 25 psi or that he was hard done by compared to the others.

[Grumph]

This I agree and understand. What I do not understand is, if the facts mentioned by others and you are correct, why do the top class world bike race teams not use Nitrogen all the time? There is some thing being missed by all of us obviously.

Could it be rider preference ? Some may be able to live with low pressures early on better than others who may want a rapid pressure rise. If the end temp is the same it would only be the period of temp and pressure rise where there'd be a noticeable difference.

[Ruahine]

This I agree and understand. What I do not understand is, if the facts mentioned by others and you are correct, why do the top class world bike race teams not use Nitrogen all the time? There is some thing being missed by all of us obviously.

What else do they use? I am no expert but in terms of temperature vs pressure there is no inherent advantage to nitrogen (other than it being cheap and inert) over any other gas so I suspect that compressed air with the moisture removed would be as good at maintaining predictable tyre pressures?

[Shaun Harris]

What else do they use? I am no expert but in terms of temperature vs pressure there is no inherent advantage to nitrogen (other than it being cheap and inert) over any other gas so I suspect that compressed air with the moisture removed would be as good at maintaining predictable tyre pressures?



Compressed Air mate.

[Autech]

Next time i see you both at a race meeting i must introduce you....talk about dad 'n dave....

Haha, look forward to it!

So forward racing are off to WSBK to work with MV, with Marco Melandri as their test rider. Hasn't he already tried to develop a bike recently?


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[BMWST?]

You are correct but you need to account for the different mass.
Pressure
_______________ = constant
Temperature

Thus For a fixed mass of gas, at a constant volume, the pressure (p) is directly proportional to the absolute temperature (T)."
But you need to remember not all gasses have equal mass.Thus not all gases respond to heat the same for a given pressure.


In fairness 80% of the air is nitrogen anyway.
But if the other bikes were using Nitrogen, Danni could have used Simple compressed air.


Gas Molecular weight

Helium 4.02
Nitrogen 28.02
Air 29
CO2 44.01

As Shaun said HRC know all this or have people that do.

By air you mean oxygen.All that shit mixed together is AIR.

[husaberg]

By air you mean oxygen.All that shit mixed together is AIR.

By air I meant atmospheric air, Funny enough its actually mostly Nitrogen with some oxygen plus some other stuff, maybe you have less where you are?

[BMWST?]

Molecular mass or molecular weight refers to the mass of a molecule. It is calculated as the sum of the mass of each constituent atom multiplied by the number of atoms of that element in the molecular formula.

All the bottom stuff is also true, plus Nitrogen gas is inert. it removes a variability, but like I said this thread isn't a place for this stuff.

The original point discussed was pedro and tyre pressure. Why he would feel he had to have less than 25 psi or that he was hard done by compared to the others.
we have already discussed this.Pedro is so light he can run lower pressures and acheive the same tyre heating as the others.The minimum pressure is too hard for him.(at PI anyway,)

[Moise]

...mine lasts twice as long if I only ride half of the time that I should...

The rear was almost worn out a couple of months ago but the weather has been shit lately so it may last until the holidays.

[Moise]

What else do they use? I am no expert but in terms of temperature vs pressure there is no inherent advantage to nitrogen (other than it being cheap and inert) over any other gas so I suspect that compressed air with the moisture removed would be as good at maintaining predictable tyre pressures?

Exactly. The issue is producing dry air but it's not that difficult.

I'd use nitrogen if cost isn't an issue.

[pritch]

I'd use nitrogen if cost isn't an issue.

I wouldn't 'cause I check my tyres at home and top up with a track pump.

Slight change of subject: this is BSB but it's nicely done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ969zo9O04

[Moise]

we have already discussed this.Pedro is so light he can run lower pressures and acheive the same tyre heating as the others.The minimum pressure is too hard for him.(at PI anyway,)
Just checked his weight, only 51 kg. I assume the MotoGP minimum weight is for the bike only?

[speights_bud]

Just checked his weight, only 51 kg. I assume the MotoGP minimum weight is for the bike only?
Yes.

moto3 and moto2 are bike + rider.

[husaberg]

Just checked his weight, only 51 kg. I assume the MotoGP minimum weight is for the bike only?

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2011/april/apr2111-stoner-supports-pedrosa-in-weight-debate/

I note Stoner weighed not much more than Pedro also, around mid to high 50's.
If the lower weight was a real disadvantage for the lighter riders, Would you not think logically they would support the minimum rider weight rule.:killingme
A taller heavier rider can move his weight around more but conversely a lighter smaller rider can move his weight further forward in some circumstances, Smaller riders can also tuck in further.
All up its six of one half a dozen of the other. Back in the old days a small light rider on the 125's was a real advantage, Open motogp likely not so much.
That said six foot plus motogp riders are very uncommon.

[Autech]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2011/april/apr2111-stoner-supports-pedrosa-in-weight-debate/

I note Stoner weighed not much more than Pedro also, around mid to high 50's.
If the lower weight was a real disadvantage for the lighter riders, Would you not think logically they would support the minimum rider weight rule.:killingme
A taller heavier rider can move his weight around more but conversely a lighter smaller rider can move his weight further forward in some circumstances, Smaller riders can also tuck in further.
All up its six of one half a dozen of the other. Back in the old days a small light rider on the 125's was a real advantage, Open motogp likely not so much.

Stoner was taller though, which may or may not help. Pedrosa also kicked his arse in the light weight classes :headbang:.

Look at Vazquez in moto3, he is as midget as midget can be, yet he's been there forever and won very few GP's. He does fly down the straights though!
I do think guys like Baz are at a massive disadvantage, I don't ever see him on a factory bike being able to live with the Spaniard's as he just sticks out too much.

I would argue there is a middle ground that is desirable, round the 60-70kg mark which I think lots of the riders fit into. Moar pies Dani?

Little off topic but one thing I noticed in indoor kart racing as a lighter chap, yes I had the straights over my heavier mates, but on the corners their extra weight combined with the slippery surface meant they were less sideways through the corners than me.

[pritch]

In this instance Pedro feels his weight is a disadvantage. He wasn't complaining when his bike could out perform Rossi's 'cause the engine on the #46 bike had to run lean to make it to the finish with the allocated fuel.

Simoncelli was tall, Rossi is just shy of six foot, Redding is tall, and now Baz. Can't think of any others but there may be more.

[Moise]

I don't recall seeing a closeup of the tyres after the race. That would have been interesting.

I'm still trying to work out if Marquez had planned his last lap, as MG is the final passing opportunity and it meant Lorenzo couldn't come back. Or, more likely, he knew he had one good lap left in his tyres.

[J.A.W.]

In this instance Pedro feels his weight is a disadvantage. He wasn't complaining when his bike could out perform Rossi's 'cause the engine on the #46 bike had to run lean to make it to the finish with the allocated fuel.

Simoncelli was tall, Rossi is just shy of six foot, Redding is tall, and now Baz. Can't think of any others but there may be more.


Dani-boi has been racing at P.Is. for a fair while, seems odd his team hadn't given some thought to this issue earlier..
..like some personal ballast maybe?

Certainly there are a number of dynamic variables, with Dani-boi bodily contributing under 25% of the laden weight of the race unit..

All the electronic handling assistance complicates things a bit too, KC prefered to ride with them at minimum settings..

There must be a 'golden mean' of rider weight/strength/leverage to bike mass for ideal steering/handling/roadholding..

I weigh ~100kg togged up for a ride, but still prefer to ride bikes that weigh ~150kg, since such rider mass allows more direct
influence over what the bike can do, & big porkasaurus machines, to me - always feel like they want to, or will eventually, railroad the rider..


Gregg Hansford was another larger rider, & his size cost him G.P. wins - in the 250/350 classes - against smaller team-mates on equivalent machines.

[husaberg]

In this instance Pedro feels his weight is a disadvantage. He wasn't complaining when his bike could out perform Rossi's 'cause the engine on the #46 bike had to run lean to make it to the finish with the allocated fuel.

Simoncelli was tall, Rossi is just shy of six foot, Redding is tall, and now Baz. Can't think of any others but there may be more.

Yeah but those taller than 5.9 are certainly the exception rather than the majority.
The tallest ones back in the 500 GP days (that come to mind) all rode the Lucky strike Suzukis
Terry Rymer and Scott Russell both over 6 foot. Kevin always looked to tower over the other riders but was only about 5.10.


Stoner was taller though, which may or may not help. Pedrosa also kicked his arse in the light weight classes :headbang:.

Look at Vazquez in moto3, he is as midget as midget can be, yet he's been there forever and won very few GP's. He does fly down the straights though!
I do think guys like Baz are at a massive disadvantage, I don't ever see him on a factory bike being able to live with the Spaniard's as he just sticks out too much.


Note the smaller classes have a rider plus bike rule minimum weight, so for Vaquez so there is no advantage in being light and small in the moto 3(other than being able to tuck in more.)

[FROSTY]

Exactly. The issue is producing dry air but it's not that difficult.

I'd use nitrogen if cost isn't an issue.
Just for the record. dry air is a requirement for scuba diving for entirely different reasons. a tank with enough air to fill a whole meetings tyres costs $10 a fill
Nitrogen tank filled when you break it down costs sod all per tyre but only with your own tank ie not paying the crazy even idiotic retail price.

IMO if you are scratching for fractions of a second advantage over the competition then using an inert gas ie Nitrogen WILL be worth time at the end of a long race simply by the fractional reduction in tyre wear holding a constant pressure offers.

[ecko_nzed]

Hi wondering if you can help? I've been out for a few days but appear to have lost the 'MotoGP 2015' thread. Seems it's been replaced by the 'Nitrogen vs. Oxygen in tires or other shit no one cares about' thread

[Autech]

Hi wondering if you can help? I've been out for a few days but appear to have lost the 'MotoGP 2015' thread. Seems it's been replaced by the 'Nitrogen vs. Oxygen in tires or other shit no one cares about' thread

Dont worry a month back it was the "This guy raced this bike here and I was there and it was 2stroke n faster" thread.
Then we all ignored J.A.W. and it got back on track.


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[ellipsis]

...I have varicose veins...but that's ok 'cos VR is racing again this weekend...

[bogan]

Whose all still in the running for their start of season bets?

[Autech]

Whose all still in the running for their start of season bets?

Not me, have been wrong for years as I have been betting on the midget bridesmaid.

Lots of people will be off though, with the strength of the Honda 2014 and MM you would have been thinking this year would be a sure thing... Go ROSSI!


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[Shaun Harris]

It has been and " IS " relevant to the Motogp thread! A discussion had been started about wee Pedi's problem and tire management/tire pressures for grip and how to manage tires better. Open your eyes guys and think out side the square, even if this is just KB and a bunch of who know;s what on here. Also relevant for the 99% of road riders posting in this thread, as it could/will help you all get better miles out of your tires if you think about it and act on it, ie Nitrogen to start with, and correct tire pressures for the tire, and not for the bike as per 99% of bike shops set them too, loosing you all quality and life span of the tire and $ out of your pocket, sorry for thinking for you!

Frosty, thanks for your input and agree totally re fractions of a second over a lap or a race distance, that is what helps win Motogp and any races, a little bit here and there adds up after how ever many laps in total.

[Autech]

It has been and " IS " relevant to the Motogp thread! A discussion had been started about wee Pedi's problem and tire management/tire pressures for grip and how to manage tires better. Open your eyes guys and think out side the square, even if this is just KB and a bunch of who know;s what on here. Also relevant for the 99% of road riders posting in this thread, as it could/will help you all get better miles out of your tires if you think about it and act on it, ie Nitrogen to start with, and correct tire pressures for the tire, and not for the bike as per 99% of bike shops set them too, loosing you all quality and life span of the tire and $ out of your pocket, sorry for thinking for you!

Frosty, thanks for your input and agree totally re fractions of a second over a lap or a race distance, that is what helps win Motogp and any races, a little bit here and there adds up after how ever many laps in m total.

Oh I agree it was on topic for the record, I just had nothing useful to add to it (as usual) :D


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[husaberg]

It has been and " IS " relevant to the Motogp thread! A discussion had been started about wee Pedi's problem and tire management/tire pressures for grip and how to manage tires better. Open your eyes guys and think out side the square, even if this is just KB and a bunch of who know;s what on here. Also relevant for the 99% of road riders posting in this thread, as it could/will help you all get better miles out of your tires if you think about it and act on it, ie Nitrogen to start with, and correct tire pressures for the tire, and not for the bike as per 99% of bike shops set them too, loosing you all quality and life span of the tire and $ out of your pocket, sorry for thinking for you!

Frosty, thanks for your input and agree totally re fractions of a second over a lap or a race distance, that is what helps win Motogp and any races, a little bit here and there adds up after how ever many laps in total.

Funny enough the other thing Nitrogen has in its favour is it has no oxygen. With no oxygen you get less long term tyre degradation not so sports bike important maybe, as the tyres shouldn't last that long, but for tourers the tyres should actually last longer.

Other things applicable ie Bucket racers on kart tracks 18-20 psi cold is needed to get the tyres working.

back in the day there was also a kart tyre paint on goo that is now banned it used to be made here in NZ and smelled like wintergreen worked a treat on making tyres more grippy. I have no idea what solvent it was based on. but its banned here in pretty much all forms of racing.

[Shaun Harris]

Just had to open the eyes of this muppet and his post #3101. If you have nothing positive to add, stay the fuk away then. A sidecar team for example could maybe learn some thing also re tire management, and with 3 hoops on the ground at once ( Hopefully haha ) there costs for tires are bloody massive if they are serious.

[bogan]

Just had to open the eyes of this muppet and his post #3101. If you have nothing positive to add, stay the fuk away then

Who pissed in your milo? it was a valid point, why do you think I stopped posting about air/nitrogen?

[pritch]

Ducati to trial new winglets at Sepang?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ducati to trial new winglets at Sepang?

Really looking forward to the race.

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[Shaun Harris]

Really looking forward to the race.

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Hell yea, but also a bit of a shame really that the shoots are long enough for the Ducati to motor on and mess with a great points battle between the boys though . Wonder potentially if Dovi is ever going to find his true form again? I am starting to think that Crazyjoe has him feeling a bit mind fuked lately, with his hard out riding with physical issue;s and still getting the job done though. Maybe Ducati has told Crazyjoe now that he is NOT allowed to win either, to keep them in the cheap seats for one more year, soft cocks, but guess that is business eh.

[Drew]

. A sidecar team for example could maybe learn some thing also re tire management, and with 3 hoops on the ground at once ( Hopefully haha ) there costs for tires are bloody massive if they are serious.

You'd be surprised at how long a set of hoops last on the chairs. Arron hasn't put a brand new tyre on his since he got it, and he's set lap records at every track. Once on a set of intermediates in dry conditions.

They are essentially a car tyre, and the chairs are too light to stress them to the level they're made for.

Which works great for us budget racers, we have had one new tyre since we started racing, and that was in the very beginning.

[Shaun Harris]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224435/1/lorenzo-tyre-management-the-key-at-sepang.html

I wonder if this belongs in this thread

[Shaun Harris]

or this one Jl bike on left and VR in middle. Check out the tyre were on them both.

[Shaun Harris]

You'd be surprised at how long a set of hoops last on the chairs. Arron hasn't put a brand new tyre on his since he got it, and he's set lap records at every track. Once on a set of intermediates in dry conditions.

They are essentially a car tyre, and the chairs are too light to stress them to the level they're made for.

Which works great for us budget racers, we have had one new tyre since we started racing, and that was in the very beginning.


Lol, but Aaron does not need to with such a high quality rig with all the grunt his chair has also man

[FROSTY]

Hi wondering if you can help? I've been out for a few days but appear to have lost the 'MotoGP 2015' thread. Seems it's been replaced by the 'Nitrogen vs. Oxygen in tires or other shit no one cares about' thread
to bring you up to speed.
Last two/three moto gp races tyre degradation was a factor in race pace in the closeing laps. or earlier
Therefore use of nitrogen to assist in maintaining constant pressure is worth fractions of a second per lap in the closeing stages of races.
-however a bunch of guys poopoo this fact.
so the science behind it needed to be explained.

[Drew]

Lol, but Aaron does not need to with such a high quality rig with all the grunt his chair has also man

It's no gruntier than when Steve had it, and he used new tyres all the time.

Anyhoo. Having looked into the gas used in tyre thing, yeah. It's just about keeping moisture out. No one bottles dry atmosphere, so nitrogen is used because it's available everywhere and cheap.

A real good moisture trap on a compressor would be nearly as good.

[ecko_nzed]

Just had to open the eyes of this muppet and his post #3101. If you have nothing positive to add, stay the fuk away then.

Whoa! back up the bus Sunshine. It was an attempt at humor. More a reflection on the fact that 99% of what you were talking about was going over my head and I would wager over most peoples.

With regard to keeping it positive, would suggest you go back and look your own posts and assess their positivity, especially when you've decided to go off on one.

Happy to play by the rules, boss. Just as long as we all play by the same ones.

[pritch]

Wonder potentially if Dovi is ever going to find his true form again?

Dovi went for a romantic getaway on a tropical island with his girlfriend but the smoke problem currently experienced in Malaysia means aircraft are grounded now and he is stuck on the island. I guess that has its compensations for Dovi, there's nothing else to do, :whistle: but hopefully Ducati have enough cash to rent a boat?

A secondary consideration is concern at the amount of rain forest going up in smoke.

[Shaun Harris]

Whoa! back up the bus Sunshine. It was an attempt at humor. More a reflection on the fact that 99% of what you were talking about was going over my head and I would wager over most peoples.

With regard to keeping it positive, would suggest you go back and look your own posts and assess their positivity, especially when you've decided to go off on one.

Happy to play by the rules, boss. Just as long as we all play by the same ones.



Apologies then mate, I took your wording to literally then obviously:niceone:

[Shaun Harris]

Dovi went for a romantic getaway on a tropical island with his girlfriend but the smoke problem currently experienced in Malaysia means aircraft are grounded now and he is stuck on the island. I guess that has its compensations for Dovi, there's nothing else to do, :whistle: but hopefully Ducati have enough cash to rent a boat?

A secondary consideration is concern at the amount of rain forest going up in smoke.


He should have just had a wank instead then

[Badjelly]

If you have nothing positive to add, stay the fuk away then.

Whoa there, mate! Imagine if everyone on KB followed that rule. What would I read when I'm supposed to be working? :shutup:

[Shaun Harris]

Whoa there, mate! Imagine if everyone on KB followed that rule. What would I read when I'm supposed to be working? :shutup:



Haha, the dam boring depressing news paper

[FROSTY]

It's no gruntier than when Steve had it, and he used new tyres all the time.
Anyhoo. Having looked into the gas used in tyre thing, yeah. It's just about keeping moisture out. No one bottles dry atmosphere, so nitrogen is used because it's available everywhere and cheap. .
A heads up for ya. Back when you were in nappies and I was a pimply face yoof 200psi bottles of clean and dry air was the way teams filled their tyres.--Literally a scuba dive tank with a regulator/hose.
I dunno why it went out of fashion.

[Shaun Harris]

A heads up for ya. Back when you were in nappies and I was a pimply face yoof 200psi bottles of clean and dry air was the way teams filled their tyres.--Literally a scuba dive tank with a regulator/hose.
I dunno why it went out of fashion.




I thought I had seen that years ago also man. The modern world took over I guess.

[speights_bud]

A heads up for ya. Back when you were in nappies and I was a pimply face yoof 200psi bottles of clean and dry air was the way teams filled their tyres.--Literally a scuba dive tank with a regulator/hose.
I dunno why it went out of fashion.
China started building compressors every man and his dog could afford. How many weeks/months wages would one have cost vs the $150 ones you can get now?

[husaberg]

China started building compressors every man and his dog could afford. How many weeks/months wages would one have cost vs the $150 ones you can get now?

Not just that they started selling little 12 volt ones for 20 bucks a pop.
I still have my old mans original shed compressor pretty sure it has an ac or fridge compressor and a oxy tanks that's likely not much post Korean war era.
We always had a 20 litre bottle with a hose fitting for for tyres and for the rattle gun for the flywheel.
but it was easier to just over fill and let air out on the day.
Back where I used to work we had some huge 2 cylinder compressor from (Hindin I think? Grumph can correct me) made in CHCH and it used to pump all the oil around the workshop as well as the air for tools and tyres.

[ellipsis]

China started building compressors every man and his dog could afford. How many weeks/months wages would one have cost vs the $150 ones you can get now?


...thats right...my first compressor was two dive bottles and some kiwi resourcefulness...

[speights_bud]

Yep, same idea. Can you imagine (remember I'm in my 20's) me telling my grandfather back when he started in the trade (diesel mechanic) that it's not uncommon for people to have lathes and table saws for hobbies and DIY?

[pritch]

Meanwhile back in the twenty-first century, Dorna have signed a letter of intent with the Indonesian Government to stage a GP. Zafelli & Tilke have been approached to price designing a track. Dorna have requested a master plan of Sentul by November next year.

[Reckless]

Still got mine from my Karting days :)
Pump it to 120 psi at the compressor and It'll still top up Bike tyres quite a few times at 30psi at the track.

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[Moise]

I hope it rains at Sepang on Sunday afternoon.

[ellipsis]

I hope it rains at Sepang on Sunday afternoon.

...I hope it rains here on Saturday night, after 11pm, for 6 hours...

[husaberg]

I hope it rains at Sepang on Sunday afternoon.

what time in the afternnon is it? PI was real late to suit the Euro Market.

[Moise]

what time in the afternnon is it? PI was real late to suit the Euro Market.
3 PM local time.

PI was 4 PM, which isn't late given there is daylight saving.

[husaberg]

3 PM local time.

PI was 4 PM, which isn't late given there is daylight saving.

It was late for afternoon race in spring right next Bass straight. If it had of been at 1pm I am picking Pedro would have been happy with 25psi.
Rain should nullify the speed advantage of the Dukes anyway. it should be a Honda Yamaha romp with maybe a snif of a Suzuki if wet.

[pritch]

I hope it rains at Sepang on Sunday afternoon.

I just saw a message saying that the forecast is for rain. The Malaysians are hoping rain will reduce teh smoke haze. Newspaper photos show the locals wearing masks. So far no photos of paddock people wearing masks.

[Moise]

A friend was in Singapore recently and said the smoke was really bad this year. Surely the Indonesians will run out of forest soon!

[pritch]

It was late for afternoon race in spring right next Bass straight. If it had of been at 1pm I am picking Pedro would have been happy with 25psi.

MotoGP is normally 2.00PM IIRC but the last two Oz races have been put back to 4.00PM to in an effort to attract more viewers in Europe. The Sepang race starts at 8.00PM our time so it looks as if they are doing the same thing in Malaysia.

[Moise]

It was late for afternoon race in spring right next Bass straight. If it had of been at 1pm I am picking Pedro would have been happy with 25psi.
Rain should nullify the speed advantage of the Dukes anyway. it should be a Honda Yamaha romp with maybe a snif of a Suzuki if wet.
The track temperature was still quite high for the race. I think Dani's problems are more to do with the minimum pressure. And to be fair, he's had trouble keeping up with his teammate and the factory Yamaha's all season.

[husaberg]

The track temperature was still quite high for the race. I think Dani's problems are more to do with the minimum pressure. And to be fair, he's had trouble keeping up with his teammate and the factory Yamaha's all season.

Agreed on all of that but if it had been warmer he wouldn't have needed, I need low pressure to get the tyres working stuff. Maybe MM to split the Yamahas this weekend but which order
Suzuki in top 6 this week if wet Maybe. Best season in years regardless

[carbonhed]

If I was a Flossi supporter i'd be praying for rain too.

[husaberg]

If I was a Flossi supporter i'd be praying for rain too.

Really? he's only won one wet race in about 10 years.

[carbonhed]

Really? he's only won one wet race in about 10 years.

it's the only thing that's kept his scrawny ass afloat so far. Slooow motherfucker.

[husaberg]

it's the only thing that's kept his scrawny ass afloat so far. Slooow motherfucker.

Pretty sure it was kind of more to do with the ultra consistent podium finishes than the weather.
I should probably add prior to this year to the 10 years.
10 is a nice number aye.
Maybe if he wins the title again he will change his number to 10, then 11..............

[Shaun Harris]

It seems the honeymoon is over

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224458/1/rossi-accuses-marquez-of-helping-lorenzo.html

[speights_bud]

It seems the honeymoon is over

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224458/1/rossi-accuses-marquez-of-helping-lorenzo.html
Haha, I was going to post the same, but different link.

The whole press conference was good value. Heaps of piss taking, which is a bit unusual at this end of the season.

I liked the part where Rossi was asked about his fans negative comments directed at Iannone in the social media. His first response it is "I think in reality they are not my real supporters "


He goes on to call them stupid several times.

Can you imagine an offended Luigi sitting at home with all his VR46 gear on?

[Autech]

Haha, I was going to post the same, but different link.

The whole press conference was good value. Heaps of piss taking, which is a bit unusual at this end of the season.

I liked the part where Rossi was asked about his fans negative comments directed at Iannone in the social media. His first response it is "I think in reality they are not my real supporters "


He goes on to call them stupid several times.

Can you imagine an offended Luigi sitting at home with all his VR46 gear on?

Fuck the knives are out proper now! :clap:

Rossi will put Marquez over his knee again and spank him :baby: if that is what he thinks he's up to. Time will tell...

[Shaun Harris]

Haha, I was going to post the same, but different link.

The whole press conference was good value. Heaps of piss taking, which is a bit unusual at this end of the season.

I liked the part where Rossi was asked about his fans negative comments directed at Iannone in the social media. His first response it is "I think in reality they are not my real supporters "


He goes on to call them stupid several times.

Can you imagine an offended Luigi sitting at home with all his VR46 gear on?


He speaks his mind, and says it as it is

[Badjelly]

He speaks his mind, and says it as it is

Yeah, but on the question of whether Marc was playing with the pace to help Jorge and disadvantage Valentino, I think he's dreaming.

[Autech]

Yeah, but on the question of whether Marc was playing with the pace to help Jorge and disadvantage Valentino, I think he's dreaming.

Could be all part of his head games... :crazy:

[roogazza]

Crash.net......need we say more.

Give us a dry race and lets have at it !!!

[Shaun Harris]

We are just expert armchair experts team lol

[Doppleganger]

Vale at his best, playing the off track game like a pro ;)

[pritch]

Yeah, but on the question of whether Marc was playing with the pace to help Jorge and disadvantage Valentino, I think he's dreaming.

As I mentioned previously, there have been instances where riders of one nationality have interfered with another to the advantage of one of their countrymen. I was concerned that one of the other Spanish riders would do something to take Rossi out. The situation described by Rossi is more subtle, but it isn't new. As mentioned in the article, Rossi has now ensured the world will be watching. Not that it will change much?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Old Rossi moaning like a bitch again. About to get the learn.

[Erelyes]

Old Rossi moaning like a bitch again. About to get the learn.

Last I looked Lozenge was paying $2.60 for the championship. I don't want him to win but that seems like good odds.

[carbonhed]

Old Rossi moaning like a bitch again. About to get the learn.

I think the pressure is getting to him. What a whiny little bitch.

[Badjelly]

We are just expert armchair experts team lol

Fuck yeah!

I watched the race for the first time last night, and my thought was that during the middle of the race--once Marquez and Rossi had stopped scrapping--Marquez towed Rossi & Iannone back into contact with Lorenzo. Without Marquez there, Lorenzo would have buggered off and Rossi & Iannone would have been fighting for 2nd and 3rd.

But what would I know?

[Shaun Harris]

Old Rossi moaning like a bitch again. About to get the learn.



Your reach around boy has left town dude, let us all keep our hands on ours though eh

[Shaun Harris]

Fuck yeah!

I watched the race for the first time last night, and my thought was that during the middle of the race--once Marquez and Rossi had stopped scrapping--Marquez towed Rossi & Iannone back into contact with Lorenzo. Without Marquez there, Lorenzo would have buggered off and Rossi & Iannone would have been fighting for 2nd and 3rd.

But what would I know?


Look at lap times and the condition of JL rear at race end, he was not buggering off to any where man. Only imo of course, and of course I belieeve I am correct hahaha

[jasonu]

He speaks his mind, and says it as he sees it

fixed.....

[James Deuce]

We are just expert armchair experts team lol

No we're not. We're armchair fuckwits. You've been quite emphatic about that. None of us are allowed to say anything about racing, you are the god we must all bow down to.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think the pressure is getting to him. What a whiny little bitch.

Like Valencia 06. Threw it all away.

[carbonhed]

Like Valencia 06. Threw it all away.

Did you see what he said about Marquez to the Italian press?

“Because he would prefer Lorenzo to win. He is angry at me for a personal matter. Although he never said it, he thinks that in Argentina I made him crash; and then at Assen he is still thinking about the last chicane, in his head he feels he should have won that race. Since then he has been angry and thinking like a child: I do not win, but you do not win either. At this point, the lesser evil is for him is for Lorenzo to win.”

"Watch out, here we must make a clarification: did he really idolise me? Did he really have my poster at home? I'm not so sure. I'd like to go back in time and see. It will also be a question of character, he is competing with me: I want to win as many World Championships as I can. If I win another title, then he knows that he will have to win one more to overtake me. If instead Jorge wins, then they have more or less the same.”

That's the sound of the wheels coming off a reputation.

[husaberg]

It seems the honeymoon is over

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224458/1/rossi-accuses-marquez-of-helping-lorenzo.html

Not a fan of the smack talk in that context, Doohan was far better at getting into their heads without the Boxing style circus build up crap.
You would almost be forgiven for thinking Lorenzo won the race the way Rossi was coming across to me. I know its a ploy but it seems a bit trite.
Better to let the bike do the talking by setting a decent time in Q.

[Shaun Harris]

Not a fan of the smack talk in that context, Doohan was far better at getting into their heads without the Boxing style circus build up crap.
You would almost be forgiven for thinking Lorenzo won the race the way Rossi was coming across to me. I know its a ploy but it seems a bit trite.
Better to let the bike do the talking by setting a decent time in Q.



we all have our own opinions and idea;s of what if's. Each to there own I guess, wrong or write

[pritch]

Like Valencia 06. Threw it all away.

Even Rossi agrees with that.

Carbonhead sees a "whiny little bitch". Oxley, Emmett and the other professional observers, see a chess master at work.

It's all bloody interesting, but it'd be a shame if you only had one eye open and missed half the fun.

[onearmedbandit]

I see a bunch of FANaticals getting all worked up ha. Either fanatical supporters or haters of Rossi. Fans of MotoGP otherwise are wating for a great race this weekend.

[husaberg]

It seems the honeymoon is over

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224458/1/rossi-accuses-marquez-of-helping-lorenzo.html


we all have our own opinions and idea;s of what if's. Each to there own I guess, wrong or write
It turns out each does have there own. I am aware of most of the tacics but not all
Keep scrolling through its bloody interesting, someone has spent the time analysing each style
http://www.visordown.com/features/the-tactics-of-mind-games/13698.html
http://www.visordown.com/features/the-tactics-of-mind-games/13698-2.html
http://www.visordown.com/features/the-tactics-of-mind-games/13698-4.html

The looking at there tyre selection might not work quite so well now though
Rossi it seems uses a few styles, but is pretty consistent with his techniques.

[Shaun Harris]

It turns out each does have there own. I am aware of most of the tacics but not all
Keep scrolling through its bloody interesting, someone has spent the time analysing each style
http://www.visordown.com/features/the-tactics-of-mind-games/13698.html
http://www.visordown.com/features/the-tactics-of-mind-games/13698-2.html
http://www.visordown.com/features/the-tactics-of-mind-games/13698-4.html

The looking at there tyre selection might not work quite so well now though
Rossi it seems uses a few styles, but is pretty consistent with his techniques.


The tire comment was all but to cement what I had already said. I do not think I am god, I have just followed this game and paid attn and worked my ass off to get where I got, so I do understand a thing or 2 about the whole big picture, No matter what some other experts may type about me in there childish manner

[jasonu]

No matter what some other experts may type about me in there childish manner

To be fair you really do invite that sort of response.

[husaberg]

The tire comment was all but to cement what I had already said. I do not think I am god, I have just followed this game and paid attn and worked my ass off to get where I got, so I do understand a thing or 2 about the whole big picture, No matter what some other experts may type about me in there childish manner

Wooooo Hold ya horse Shaun, it wasn't a dig at you, it was in the links, it was something Bazza used to try and make the guy think he had made a selection with the tyre compound. I suggested it was unlikely to work now as they have so few to choose from anyway. Maybe not in a clear way but that was what I was meaning:niceone:


Sheene reputedly went one stage further in trying to mislead his Suzuki team-mate Pat Hennen by leaving false bike settings lying around their shared garage, hoping Hennen would try them. Sheene was also not beyond staring warily at other riders' tyres on the gird in an attempt to plant seeds of doubt in their minds about whether they had made the right tyre choice.

Read more: http://www.visordown.com/features/the-tactics-of-mind-games/13698-5.html#ixzz3pM3WE5AB
There is 6 or seven pages of the article there.

[carbonhed]

Even Rossi agrees with that.

Carbonhead sees a "whiny little bitch". Oxley, Emmett and the other professional observers, see a chess master at work.

It's all bloody interesting, but it'd be a shame if you only had one eye open and missed half the fun.

:laugh: Have you got a link to Oxley or Emmet's reaction to Rossi's brainfart?

Here's Ryder's

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151022rydernotes.htm

[GD66]

You would almost be forgiven for thinking Lorenzo won the race the way Rossi was coming across to me. I know its a ploy but it seems a bit trite.




Whatever happened to the old "(shrug) Pfff...ees-a the race" philosophy ? :scratch:

[Danger Dave]

I think it's just Rossi playing mind games again, If he winds up Marquez enough then Marquez will go and try to win every race to prove a point and if he does and Lorenzo finishes second with Rossi third then he still gets the title.

[carbonhed]

I think it's just Rossi playing mind games again, If he winds up Marquez enough then Marquez will go and try to win every race to prove a point and if he does and Lorenzo finishes second with Rossi third then he still gets the title.

You can play mindgames with people you're quicker than. Lorenzo and Marquez know, without a shadow of a doubt, that they're quicker than Rossi... and annoying Marquez could just prove to be the dumbest thing he's ever done.

All Rossi's got to do is qualify on the front row, lead into turn one and control the race from the front. Take everybody else out of the equation. Just be fast.

[Shaun Harris]

Wooooo Hold ya horse Shaun, it wasn't a dig at you, it was in the links, it was something Bazza used to try and make the guy think he had made a selection with the tyre compound. I suggested it was unlikely to work now as they have so few to choose from anyway. Maybe not in a clear way but that was what I was meaning:niceone:


There is 6 or seven pages of the article there.


interpretation dude of possibly my poor choice of words to use when type talking! I was not saying anything negative to you or about you at all.

[husaberg]

I think it's just Rossi playing mind games again, If he winds up Marquez enough then Marquez will go and try to win every race to prove a point and if he does and Lorenzo finishes second with Rossi third then he still gets the title.
Its def the same Mo as per previously used not looking in the direction etc

When Rossi was penalised after his team cleaned his grid spot at Qatar in 2004, Rossi blamed Gibernau for tipping off the stewards and refused to make eye contact with his rival in the press conference. His body language made it clear that he had found the excuse to, "never speak to Gibernau again."

As did the now infamous incident where Rossi had his revenge on Gibernau. It was the first GP of 2005 in Jerez when he rammed into Gibernau at the last corner to take the win. Rossi's attitude on the podium didn't win him any fans but pictures provide graphic evidence that he had Gibernau psychologically beaten.


Rossi's mind games are as flexible as his riding style. If you're no threat to him he'll be your best friend, but if you challenge him, prepare to be put down big time.

Rossi also knows how to turn things around and put 'positive pressure' on rivals such as '06 MotoGP rookie Dani Pedrosa. Before the youngster has even made his race debut in the premier class, Rossi has said in the press that he will be a threat

While it may appear to be a compliment, the statement actually puts heaps of pressure on Pedrosa to perform in his first season. So if he doesn't win races straight away, he will appear to have failed to live up to Rossi's expectations and, if Rossi's plan comes to fruition, will start to doubt his own ability.

From the press conference
Praise on MM for superior Speed

“So this changes a lot, because for sure Marc has the potential to go away alone [at the front] and maybe for sure can be another type of race.”

Marquez was a step above everyone
Thus in two sentences he Points out he thinks MM is Better than Lorenzo
So puts positive pressure on MM and the same time Neg on Lorenzo.


Rossi then leaned back from the microphone, glancing briefly at Lorenzo on his right hand side (who had been stroking his chin whilst listening to Rossi). Again Rossi did not look at Marquez, who was sat smiling on his left, and instead reached for a drink.

Eye contact with Lorenzo but doesn't look at MM at all.

Then he does the defriending

“He would prefer Lorenzo to win," Rossi claimed. "He is angry at me for a personal matter. Although he never said it, he thinks that in Argentina I made him crash; and then at Assen he is still thinking about the last chicane, in his head he feels he should have won that race. Since then he has been angry and thinking like a child: I do not win, but you do not win either. At this point, the lesser evil is for him is for Lorenzo to win.”


And to remove any doubt about how angry Rossi is with Marquez, the #46 declared: "Did he really idolise me? Did he really have my poster at home? I'm not so sure. I'd like to go back in time and see...
"In the long run, I prefer more [Max Biaggi's] behaviour. We were obnoxious to each other, but at least it was clear and honest."

[pritch]

:laugh: Have you got a link to Oxley or Emmet's reaction to Rossi's brainfart?

Here's Ryder's

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151022rydernotes.htm

They were Twitter posts. One of the posts said you couldn't tell whether Rossi was using psychology, double psychoogy or triple psychology. I think it was Oxley said he wouldn't like to play chess against Rossi 'cause Rossi is always thinking several moves ahead.

Your quote from Ryder doesn't disagree with any of that - he asks the question, "Too labyrinthine?" And the answer is probably not.
Better than anyone, Rossi knows he's up against it.

If you think Rossi had a brain fart you must've been asleep for the last twenty years. Rip Van who? :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even Rossi agrees with that.

Carbonhead sees a "whiny little bitch". Oxley, Emmett and the other professional observers, see a chess master at work.

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Chess master be fucked. Can't wait for the race. I personally think Lorenzo deserves it more, but that has nothing to do with it. Rossi goes well at Sepang...so good luck to the old goat!

[Crasherfromwayback]

You can play mindgames with people you're quicker than. Lorenzo and Marquez know, without a shadow of a doubt, that they're quicker than Rossi... and annoying Marquez could just prove to be the dumbest thing he's ever done.

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The mind games are working well so far.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/23/lorenzo-draws-first-blood-in-sepang-skirmish/187992

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics


Not.

[carbonhed]

The mind games are working well so far.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/23/lorenzo-draws-first-blood-in-sepang-skirmish/187992

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics


Not.

Seventh? Wow that's unprecedented... since last week.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seventh? Wow that's unprecedented... since last week.

Bradley Smith is doing the bizz again too.

[Erelyes]

Bradley Smith is doing the bizz again too.

As is You'reGnomey

[Shaun Harris]

The mind games are working well so far.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/23/lorenzo-draws-first-blood-in-sepang-skirmish/187992

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics


Not.




Lol, you of all people to get up in typing battle over FP 1 an 2 .4 or what ever slower than morning time, guess just his usual testing and development habits for when it really matters in the race time zone eh. Be interesting to know now who had what tires on and for how many laps

[BMWST?]

I think it's just Rossi playing mind games again, If he winds up Marquez enough then Marquez will go and try to win every race to prove a point and if he does and Lorenzo finishes second with Rossi third then he still gets the title.
and it could very well backfire and MM will indeed fuck with rossi...even help his teamate to join in too...how clever will mr rossi be then?.he knows there are two or three guys who can interfere.He may be to clever for even himself.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lol, you of all people to get up in typing battle over FP 1 an 2 .4 or what ever slower than morning time,

Nah. I'm just amusing myself winding up the Rossi Fanboi's.

[husaberg]

and it could very well backfire and MM will indeed fuck with rossi...even help his teamate to join in too...how clever will mr rossi be then?.he knows there are two or three guys who can interfere.He may be to clever for even himself.

Yes but as he's put it out there that this could happen, Thus it will be pretty transparent if it does. Plus very unlikely to occur.
It could also give him an out if he doesn't win the Championship. Diabolical likely, sideshow maybe, attracting media attention definitely.

[Shaun Harris]

Nah. I'm just amusing myself winding up the Rossi Fanboi's.



I figured that man, you are consistent at least. Quote to follow

1 second down in FP2 QUOTE However in terms of race pace, Rossi appears closely matched with the likes of Pedrosa, Lorenzo and Marquez - and can take comfort from Lorenzo running medium tyres in the afternoon session.

[Reckless]

I must say after reading the stuff here and watching through the GP site.

I'm a little disappointed in the Rossi rant. And him to be honest.
May the fastest man on track win. As it should be.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I must say after reading the stuff here and watching through the GP site.

I'm a little disappointed in the Rossi rant. And him to be honest.
May the fastest man on track win. As it should be.

Worst whaaaaaaaaaa rant I've ever seen. Or best. Can't decide.

[pritch]

Worst whaaaaaaaaaa rant I've ever seen. Or best. Can't decide.

Actually if you watch the whole press conference it isn't *that* bad. Interesting how it arose from a seemingly innocuous question. There is no doubt though that he's drawing attention to the situation as he sees it. Iannone backed him up as well. So it's Spain Vs Italy - but we already knew that.

Marquez is irrelevant in a way, Rossi is racing Lorenzo for the championship, not Marquez. It would seem Rossi is concerned about Marquez exerting undue influence on the championship result. Now though the world will be watching, which may have been Rossi's intention.

The more pointed comments came from an interview Rossi gave to Italian media which is him addressing his home support so that's a bit different.
I have no idea what Lorenzo says to the Spanish media, nor what Marquez says in Catalan, we don't usually get to see that.

[eelracing]

Heres one for the conspiracy freaks...

[speights_bud]

Actually if you watch the whole press conference it isn't *that* bad...

I've been reading all the comments here thinking have you guys actually watched the press conference video?

It reads far worse as text in the news links than the actual video shows.

Perfect media reporting right there.

[Shaun Harris]

I've been reading all the comments here thinking have you guys actually watched the press conference video?

It reads far worse as text in the news links than the actual video shows.

Perfect media reporting right there.



He does have his smerky grin as per when being funny

[carbonhed]

I've been reading all the comments here thinking have you guys actually watched the press conference video?

It reads far worse as text in the news links than the actual video shows.

Perfect media reporting right there.

Yeah but Rossi is the "chess master" thinking ten moves ahead... so that means he must have known how this would play out and we have yet to see the incredibly cunning final scenes of his incredibly cunning secret plan... probably Marquez and Lorenzo colliding head on at the finish line, exploding in a ball of flame which engulfs Pedrosa leaving Rossi to ride triumphantly to his tenth World title.

[Reckless]

Just been going over the press conference and the Italian interview and rider reaction.
MM can do what the fuck he likes and fuck with whoever he likes as long as its within the rules as long as he doesn't cross that boundary "its racing"!
The list would be huge if you listed everyone who thought they lost because someone else screwed up their championship? "Thats Racing"
Every championship I've raced you have your friends and your enemies, because of personalities or the points at time "That's Racng"

I'm a huge Rossi fan as you all know!
But this smacks of desperation and lack of faith in himself because he knows he's no longer capable of being the fastest out on track.
MM and Lorenzo have been consistently faster and now Innonne has arrived on the scene and Pedro's getting fitter and faster. "Thats Racing"

His Goat status is at risk for me.
Not so sure the age and pressure isn't fucking with his head more than his comments theirs?
I tell you that MM aint gonna be as friendly to Rossi out on track now as he will be to Lorenzo. I see a few hard passes coming his way.
He could well have fucked his own championship rather than putting the spotlight on MM? They aint going to re-run the race or not give it to Lorenzo if MM knocks Rossi off.

Suck it up Rossi, do your best and be gracious in triumph or defeat.

IMHO the next race will tell all and be make or break, Can't wait :)

[Oscar]

I just got back from Straya and was reviewing my pics...

https://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-Aussie-MotoGP/i-BXF5Kwv/0/L/Seagull-L.jpg

[Oscar]

.............
https://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-Aussie-MotoGP/i-Fcx6bwN/0/L/Seagull%202-L.jpg

[Autech]

Fucking tops Oscar. You should sell that one!


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[ellipsis]

...now that was a fortuitous click of the shutter...good pic of the feathers out the back...

[Oscar]

...and one not featuring any birds..

https://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-Aussie-MotoGP/i-Kh5fckC/0/L/JL-L.jpg

[jasonu]

.............


I wonder if the bird in question would be worth anything if it was stuffed and mounted. An interesting bit of MotoGP memorabilia.

[roogazza]

.............


Here chook,chook !
Well done Oscar. (got any of longer legged birds ?)

Oh and, Go Rossi !!

[carbonhed]

I just got back from Straya and was reviewing my pics...



And he still made the corner! I just have boundless respect for those guys.

[sil3nt]

Insane lap from Pedrosa; shame we only caught the last corner but he nailed it
Insane save from Marquez

[Oscar]

Jorge is refused entry to park ferme.
He obviously didn't know that Vale bumped him off the front row in the final seconds.

[puddytat]

Most excellent Herr Doctor....:shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jorge is refused entry to park ferme.
He obviously didn't know that Vale bumped him off the front row in the final seconds.

Awesome end to qual! The race tomorrow should be epic!

[onearmedbandit]

Best qualifying ever, better than some of the races. Tomorrow should be epic.

[Autech]

Dani on point!
As for Lorenzo... Not even owh!


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[husaberg]

Dani on point!
As for Lorenzo... Not even owh!


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Lorenzo may be familiar with this Song
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/a01QQZyl-_I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Great to see also
8th Maverick VIÑALES SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR

Speed trap in Q2
DUCATI Andrea IANNONE ITA 338.0
HONDA Marc MARQUEZ SPA 332.6
HONDA Dani PEDROSA SPA 331.5
DUCATI Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA 330.6
YAMAHA Bradley SMITH GBR 329.3
YAMAHA Pol ESPARGARO SPA 327.2
HONDA Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR 327.1
YAMAHA Valentino ROSSI ITA 326.4
YAMAHA MotoGP Jorge LORENZO SPA 325.9
DUCATI Hector BARBERA SPA 325.6
SUZUKI Maverick VIÑALES SPA 325.2
SUZUKI Aleix ESPARGARO SPA 325.1

[Reckless]

are you guys watching that on sky as Q1 is not up on the Gp Site yet??

[pritch]

are you guys watching that on sky as Q1 is not up on the Gp Site yet??

Are you watching "No spoiler"? If so, go "Live".

And the much anticipated rain may be making an appearance.

[husaberg]

are you guys watching that on sky as Q1 is not up on the Gp Site yet??

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics
Rugby final is on I am outvoted for the telly.

[Autech]

Dickhead commentary as usual


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[carbonhed]

Damn! The twists and turns of this championship have been brilliant. Roll on tomorrow.

[Maha]

Sitting back with a hot chocolate and a chewy choc/macadamia cookie watching the MotoGP on a Sunday evening? doesn't get much better.

[pritch]

Oscar, I see David Emmett has tweeted a link to your Iannone pic. That should boost your page visitor numbers.

Maha, You bugger. You and your chewy chocolate thingies. I have some chocolate bikkies here but they are supposed to be for visitors. The temptation is terrible...

[Moise]

Jorge is refused entry to park ferme.
He obviously didn't know that Vale bumped him off the front row in the final seconds.
Priceless!

[onearmedbandit]

I just got back from Straya and was reviewing my pics...


Ha your pic is getting around, popping up on facebook under the copyright of SmugMug.

[Shaun Harris]

Priceless!



Win or crash for JL now I am guessing

[Autech]

Dani Pedrosa 1st. MM 2nd, Rossi 3rd, JL 4th.

Will edit if wrong lol


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[Shaun Harris]

Dani Pedrosa 1st. MM 2nd, Rossi 3rd, JL 4th.

Will edit if wrong lol


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Ha ha, now that is a safe gamble

[BMWST?]

I predict JL will be in front of Mr Rossi by the end of the first lap

[pritch]

Was just a little interested in the weather forecast as they have apparently been forecasting rain for days but there has been very little. Although there was a shower at the end of a Moto2 session yesterday.

One forecast predicts overcast with a chance of afternoon showers, another predicts thunderstorms. During the wet season in that part of Malaya, the rainfall is usually consistent and arrives around the same time most days. Although seemingly not for the last few days.

Take notice if they mention that a breeze has sprung up, because the breeze is often shortly to be followed by rain.

[Autech]

Ha ha, now that is a safe gamble

Haha. After last week? Shits gunna go down!


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[pritch]

In the warm up Rossi has gone out on his wet bike first - it's not raining but rain is a strong possibility. Lorenzo has gone out on his dry bike but with winglets fitted for the first time this weekend.

Eyes down and watching...

[ellipsis]

What time is the GP due to start, our time?.

[pritch]

What time is the GP due to start, our time?.

MotoGP is due to start at 8.00PM. Sky coverage starts at 4.45 with Moto3 first up.

[onearmedbandit]

What time is the GP due to start, our time?.

Moto3 at 5pm.
Moto2 at 6.20pm.
MotoGP at 8pm.

[carbonhed]

Well Moto3 goes to Valencia. Pressure.

[onearmedbandit]

Well Moto3 goes to Valencia. Pressure.

He needs two points doesn't he?

[pritch]

Well Moto3 goes to Valencia. Pressure.

Looked like Kent's mum was feeling the pressure - and now she has to go through it all again. Still, we got an action packed race.

[Autech]

I am going to create a Nick Harris drinking game:
Take a sip every time he says "Very very" "(x) times world champion" "made it stick" "wee bit wide" or "crucial".
Care to join me?


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[carbonhed]

He needs two points doesn't he?

If Oliveira wins Valencia he needs to score two points. He's 23 points ahead.

Trouble is his bike is slow now. He can barely draft. What a change from earlier in the season when he could ride away.

[Autech]

If Oliveira wins Valencia he needs to score two points. He's 23 points ahead.

Trouble is his bike is slow now. He can barely draft. What a change from earlier in the season when he could ride away.

Malaysian heat.

He will be ok back in Europe.

I'm running out of wine


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[pritch]

I'm running out of wine




That's a sad state of affairs. Almost as sad as my self imposed state of sobriety.

Late in FP2 when Rossi went out on the softer option tyre (medium) to chase a fast lap the bike vibrated badly, so he came back to the pits and by the time the problem was diagnosed he was out of time. It'd be really sad if one of the main characters in this little drama was handicapped by another faulty tyre.

[carbonhed]

That's a sad state of affairs. Almost as sad as my self imposed state of sobriety.

Late in FP2 when Rossi went out on the softer option tyre (medium) to chase a fast lap the bike vibrated badly, so he came back to the pits and by the time the problem was diagnosed he was out of time. It'd be really sad if one of the main characters in this little drama was handicapped by another faulty tyre.

Tragic. And here we go.

[carbonhed]

Tragic. And here we go.

Fuck Lorenzo just punched rossi in the face!

[carbonhed]

Rossi versus Marquez. Teehee. Big mouth in trouble?

[carbonhed]

disqualification

[Autech]

Holy fuck!


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[carbonhed]

more wine
NOW!

[WNJ]

Throw the book at rossi

[Autech]

more wine
NOW!

Done!


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[nudemetalz]

Did he kick, or did his foot come off?
Hard to tell....