MotoGP 2015

[george formby]

Biaggi did it to Rossi too, but apparently Rossi's response went to the next level. We got to hear it but alas we didn't get to see it.

I seem to remember Rossi knocking Biaggi off before he had even managed to catch up with him. He must have put the fear of God into him.

[BMWST?]

i honestly dont think MM will change...he just doesnt see it like we do,he sees a gap and he goes for it.Its not bullying.I beleive the ability and willingness to make a pass at motogp is the difference between those who do and those who could...Rossi Jlo and of MM aint afraid of putting in a hard pass,DP and AD less so.....thats the difference.The difference with MM is any gap is his gap

[Maha]

What are those little fin things on the Ducati's lower fairing?

[sil3nt]

What are those little fin things on the Ducati's lower fairing?Winglets for downforce

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/215587/1/dovizioso-keeps-new-ducati-fastest-with-wings.html
http://photo.gp/2015/03/29/up-close-ducati-gp15-wing/

If you are a motogp subscriber:
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/03/15/luigi-dall-igna-explains-ducati-winglets/171883

[Maha]

Winglets for downforce

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/215587/1/dovizioso-keeps-new-ducati-fastest-with-wings.html
http://photo.gp/2015/03/29/up-close-ducati-gp15-wing/

If you are a motogp subscriber:
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/03/15/luigi-dall-igna-explains-ducati-winglets/171883

When I first noticed them it looked like something was hanging/peeling off but figured they were there for a reason.

[McWild]

i honestly dont think MM will change...he just doesnt see it like we do,he sees a gap and he goes for it.Its not bullying.I beleive the ability and willingness to make a pass at motogp is the difference between those who do and those who could...Rossi Jlo and of MM aint afraid of putting in a hard pass,DP and AD less so.....thats the difference.The difference with MM is any gap is his gap

On the money there I think.

I've read an interview with MM where he says he rides flat track because it makes him better at close quarter combat, moreso for that reason than bike control. He must be pretty intimidating to be in front of when you know that if you call any corner the wrong way he's going to be up in your face immediately. Unlike DP for example who'll just wait for a big mistake, or just have much more pace on the day.

[Shaun Harris]

On the money there I think.

I've read an interview with MM where he says he rides flat track because it makes him better at close quarter combat, moreso for that reason than bike control. He must be pretty intimidating to be in front of when you know that if you call any corner the wrong way he's going to be up in your face immediately. Unlike DP for example who'll just wait for a big mistake, or just have much more pace on the day.


No matter what any one says about MM, the REAL people ie the race control team, obviously think he is NOT riding rough or rude, otherwise he would have been penalised. He is just 100% committed!!

[McWild]

No matter what any one says about MM, the REAL people ie the race control team, obviously think he is NOT riding rough or rude, otherwise he would have been penalised. He is just 100% committed!!

For sure, the team that's on now have worked through at least two deaths in GP (Tomizawa, Simoncelli and likely more) so I have faith that they don't want to see any more.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haha if you call bouncing off another bike just to make the corner a door open, sure :P. Btw I watched that race again last week for a laugh. 2013 was epic!




Then you surely must've noticed that Lorenzo did indeed leave the door wide open. And that they only came together when he belatedly tried to close it.

[Autech]

Then you surely must've noticed that Lorenzo did indeed leave the door wide open. And that they only came together when he belatedly tried to close it.

I watched that race again last week (needed to see Dani carve up the field) and MM dived from miles back, the bike was still stood up when he bashed into Lorenzo (gap created). But lets face it race control said it was a racing incident so racing incident it was... I used to cheer for Marquez right up till he started doing that dangerous shit on the brakes in Moto2 (used to PMSL every time he was on the podium and given a Red Bull can rather than champagne). In my eyes if you are as talented as MM is (which he is a rare talent indeed) then you don't need to do dodgy shit to win :girlfight:. But what would I know I'm just a lad sitting behind a keyboard who pretends he can race once a month or so.

[Crasherfromwayback]

MM dived from miles back, the bike was still stood up when he bashed into Lorenzo (gap created). But lets face it race control said it was a racing incident so racing incident it was....

312187

Like this you mean?

312188

Or this? If you think this is dirty or dangerous, you're blind and should stop watching the sport right away.

[eelracing]

Except when someone loses a bike...then it's every man & woman (pic) for themselves...
dude on the left went for the wet grass,middle guy went for the gap between bike and fallen rider...I just prayed to jesus.

Great action pic thanx to Pipson.

[Shaun Harris]

312187

Like this you mean?

312188

Or this? If you think this is dirty or dangerous, you're blind and should stop watching the sport right away.



haha, they look like MM was in front of JL there, which means JL should not have kept leaning into to the corner and into MM,s bike- ( Even he was slightly out of control) Technicalities can be a bitch eh

[Autech]

312187

Like this you mean?

312188

Or this? If you think this is dirty or dangerous, you're blind and should stop watching the sport right away.

Haha, fuck I best stop racing myself too eh?

BTW it wasn't that kind of shit I found dangerous, it was what he was doing in Moto2 when he was crossing under brakes which was pretty shit of him, he's stopped doing that though thank god, I think the GP paddock would have ganged up on him if he pulled that shit. I love a good battle with the odd fairing bashed, I was cheering Miller on last year when he was sticking it into the young Marquez's bike every corner after their racing incident.


haha, they look like MM was in front of JL there, which means JL should not have kept leaning into to the corner and into MM,s bike- ( Even he was slightly out of control) Technicalities can be a bitch eh

They sure are!

[george formby]

Except when someone loses a bike...then it's every man & woman (pic) for themselves...
dude on the left went for the wet grass,middle guy went for the gap between bike and fallen rider...I just prayed to jesus.

Great action pic thanx to Pipson.

That needs a caption.

[Autech]

Except when someone loses a bike...then it's every man & woman (pic) for themselves...
dude on the left went for the wet grass,middle guy went for the gap between bike and fallen rider...I just prayed to jesus.

Great action pic thanx to Pipson.

Thats a fantastic pic? Where was it taken?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Except when someone loses a bike...then it's every man & woman (pic) for themselves...
dude on the left went for the wet grass,middle guy went for the gap between bike and fallen rider...I just prayed to jesus.

Great action pic thanx to Pipson.

Yeah great pic mate. Had a few moments like that myself over the years!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haha, fuck I best stop racing myself too eh?
!

Hell yes. It's fucking dangerous I tell ya.

[GD66]

... it was what he was doing in Moto2 when he was crossing under brakes which was pretty shit of him, he's stopped doing that though thank god, I think the GP paddock would have ganged up on him if he pulled that shit.





Dead right mate, it was really up to race stewards to sort him out at the time...or any aggrieved riders to back him up against a pit garage wall and point out the folly of his ways. At top level I don't mind a bit of contact, as they are all now aware it's a possibility and "shrug...eez the race" but you still don't want optimists whistling up the inside under brakes and t-boning innocent victims.

[Autech]

Yeah great pic mate. Had a few moments like that myself over the years!

Had one similar but not quite as dramatic on Pothole at Ruapuna a few weeks back, poor chap is tumbling away in front of a bunch of us. What does the chap in the Motard behind us do you ask? Sticks it up the inside of all of us of course! Shit for brains!


Dead right mate, it was really up to race stewards to sort him out at the time...or any aggrieved riders to back him up against a pit garage wall and point out the folly of his ways. At top level I don't mind a bit of contact, as they are all now aware it's a possibility and "shrug...eez the race" but you still don't want optimists whistling up the inside under brakes and t-boning innocent victims.

I do recall Casey Stoner and a few of the other fast boys from Motogp making some comments about that shit, they indicated that they were not at all impressed.

[pritch]

So Mugello has kicked off FP1s. As long as the weather there stays nice I won't get too upset about whatever we get.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So Mugello has kicked off FP1s. As long as the weather there stays nice I won't get too upset about whatever we get.

Dovi fastest in both sessions. Love to see him win there! The crowd would go fucking wild.

[ellipsis]

...my son is there and looking about for a yellow t-shirt right now...he's pretty excited and like me, wanting a home win for VR...:woohoo:

[Shaun Harris]

Dovi fastest in both sessions. Love to see him win there! The crowd would go fucking wild.

And a Suzuli in 7th with a very injured rioder and 12 PH slower down the streight! when they get more HP the Suzuki is going to seriously rock

[pritch]

And a Suzuli in 7th with a very injured rioder and 12 PH slower down the streight! when they get more HP the Suzuki is going to seriously rock

Apparently ESAs crew chief made a brace for the injured hand and sent it to the glove manufacturer who then supplied a new glove incorporating the special hardware.

Aprilia are fitting seamless gearboxes to all their bikes this weekend. Each rider had one bike thus equipped for FP1, both bikes will have it tonight. That leaves just Suzuki, who currently need a few more ponies and a whoopy do gearbox?

[mulletman]

Iiannones big slide in FP1 was frightfull for him esp with his injured shoulder and cracked humerus. :(

[BMWST?]

Apparently ESAs crew chief made a brace for the injured hand and sent it to the glove manufacturer who then supplied a new glove incorporating the special hardware.

Aprilia are fitting seamless gearboxes to all their bikes this weekend. Each rider had one bike thus equipped for FP1, both bikes will have it tonight. That leaves just Suzuki, who currently need a few more ponies and a whoopy do gearbox?

having more horsepower is not always the cure all expected,ask the Honda riders!

[Drew]

having more horsepower is not always the cure all expected,ask the Honda riders!

Being 30ks slow down the straight, negates any positives made in cornering and braking.

[BMWST?]

Being 30ks slow down the straight, negates any positives made in cornering and braking.

true dat ut but having 30 kw more can negate some of that handling and rideability

[Crasherfromwayback]

having more horsepower is not always the cure all expected,ask the Honda riders!

Think their problem is more the type of power they have. Bit brutal I believe. Nothing too new there then!

[Erelyes]

Dovi fastest in both sessions. Love to see him win there! The crowd would go fucking wild.

On the mediums too, didn't even go to the softs.

I loved Neil Hodgson's comments on Melandri's laptimes... (admittedly when he was in the 1.53's, halfway through FP2)

"Them lap times, when I tested here 2 years on a superbike, I was going faster.... and I was a second off the pace. In fact, when I tested here, the panigale roadbike did a 56 flat... road bike, with road tires, with number plates on it"

[steveyb]

Here's a trivia question for trainspotters: How many riders in all three classes names are fully represented by their TV abbreviations and who are they?

[Erelyes]

And a Suzuli in 7th with a very injured rioder and 12 PH slower down the streight! when they get more HP the Suzuki is going to seriously rock

Aleix is having problems I think. 14th fastest in FP3. Vinales was 10th.

Lozenge is doing his disappearing act again. 1.46.6 in FP3. Iannone was next fastest with a 47 flat!

[mulletman]

Aleix is having problems I think. 14th fastest in FP3. Vinales was 10th.

Lozenge is doing his disappearing act again. 1.46.6 in FP3. Iannone was next fastest with a 47 flat!

MM fails to qualify as Iannone indeed smashes it on top of pole ! (yes on a softer tyre) but hey exciting stuff :Punk:

[ecko_nzed]

Is anyone else having problems logging in to the MotoGP.com site?

[Cam_Valk]

Is anyone else having problems logging in to the MotoGP.com site?

Not on this end.

[pritch]

No problem logging in.

Some weird results in qualifying, Ianonne wasn't really a surprise at home but none of us would've picked much of the rest. First time I've seen Marquez let the mask slip.

Sounds like Aprilia are giving it a serious nudge. New frame, new seating position to give the riders more movement, new triple clamp. Apparently next year they will have a completely new bike.

[Kendog]

Is anyone else having problems logging in to the MotoGP.com site?
I couldn't log in this morning, started working a couple of hours ago.

[Autech]

No problem logging in.

Some weird results in qualifying, Ianonne wasn't really a surprise at home but none of us would've picked much of the rest. First time I've seen Marquez let the mask slip.

Sounds like Aprilia are giving it a serious nudge. New frame, new seating position to give the riders more movement, new triple clamp. Apparently next year they will have a completely new bike.

And maybe a completely new rider if Marco doesn't get performing, we all know he can if he decides the bike can work for him. But will Aprilia develop the bike around such a picky rider?

[Reckless]

First time I've seen Marquez let the mask slip.

Hav had time to watch it yet what happened with mm did he spit the dummy Pritch?

[mulletman]

No problem logging in.

Sounds like Aprilia are giving it a serious nudge. New frame, new seating position to give the riders more movement, new triple clamp. Apparently next year they will have a completely new bike.

New seamless box too, just leaves suzuki to get one in their machines.

[Luckylegs]

And maybe a completely new rider if Marco doesn't get performing, we all know he can if he decides the bike can work for him. But will Aprilia develop the bike around such a picky rider?

Nah - everyone knows i was his biggest supporter (from comments earlier in thread) but frankly its embrassing now. He's had time to adapt. If he was going to replicate last years effort he should at least be qualifying somewhere other than last (by a significant margin).....

FUCK!!!!!!!

[Erelyes]

Iannone's pole was interesting... soft tyre, with a tow from Pirro I think... let's not forget he's riding winged, so race distance may be daunting for him.

My bets...
Marq win (Paying $7.50) - I couldn't resist at those odds. Honda is in crisis, MM's championship chances are ebbing away, but if he finds his mojo, watch out...
Dovi top3 (paying $1.57) - Not great odds, but this is Dovi-Do-No-Wrong we're talking about, uninjured, good form, good bike.
Cal top3 (paying $7.00) - I thought that was fair money. Sure he's on a honda, but anything can happen, and if it does, he's usually not far off the podiums.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah - everyone knows i was his biggest supporter (from comments earlier in thread) but frankly its embrassing now. He's had time to adapt. If he was going to replicate last years effort he should at least be qualifying somewhere other than last (by a significant margin).....

FUCK!!!!!!!

12 Kent Tce Wellington. For one more week anyway...

:bleh:

[puddytat]

Hav had time to watch it yet what happened with mm did he spit the dummy Pritch?

He binned it in Qualifying & ended up having to do Qualifying 2, where he thought he'd done enough & was yakking to the crew about setup problems when he was pipped by 2 others & so starts 13th.
He'll either win it or bin it I reckon.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He binned it in Qualifying & ended up having to do Qualifying 2, where he thought he'd done enough & was yakking to the crew about setup problems when he was pipped by 2 others & so starts 13th.
He'll either win it or bin it I reckon.

I don't think he'll win this one. It's a very front end oriented track, and they have had their issues with the front so far. Lorenzo, Dovi or Rossi I think.

In fact...

Lorenzo

Rossi

Dovi

MM

[Shaun Harris]

Sam Lowes to replace DP for 2016 ONE year factory contract! Well that is my prediction anyway.

[Shaun Harris]

well shit, the season just got even betterer

[Crasherfromwayback]

well shit, the season just got even betterer

Could well be over for MM now though.

[denill]

He'll either win it or bin it I reckon.

Got that right Pritch :yes:

[Shaun Harris]

Could well be over for MM now though.



we both know how hard it is going to be for him to get the title again this year now buddy- Honda has LOST one important thing, a Rider that is a good test feed back rider, otherwise they would NOT have the engine chassis package shit they have this year causing the problems

[Crasherfromwayback]

we both know how hard it is going to be for him to get the title again this year now buddy- Honda has LOST one important thing, a Rider that is a good test feed back rider, otherwise they would NOT have the engine chassis package shit they have this year causing the problems

You know there's a problem when they're constantly throwing new frames and swingarms at it.

[Shaun Harris]

You know there's a problem when they're constantly throwing new frames and swingarms at it.




Yep, Honda back to the old days of looking for more HP, no matter what it does to the chassis and riders lol. MM for Ducati or Yamaha next year then eh, his brother is not cutting it in moto2 either

[puddytat]

Moto3 was the usual awesomeness.....8 wide into the corner at the end of the straight ,tight as racing right to the end.
Smokin Joe got 351.8kmh out of the Duke, a new record. A good tussle with him & SparkyMarky:laugh:

[pritch]

He binned it in Qualifying & ended up having to do Qualifying 2, where he thought he'd done enough & was yakking to the crew about setup problems when he was pipped by 2 others & so starts 13th.
He'll either win it or bin it I reckon.

Yeah, when he realised he had missed the bus he looked pissed-off, tossed his hat aside and stalked out of the pit box.
And your win or bin was a good call.

Melandri has a two year contract so unless there's an out clause he'll still be on an Aprilia next year.

[yod]

Melandri has a two year contract so unless there's an out clause he'll still be on an Aprilia next year.

...on Michelins, which could well make the difference to his pace, he just can't use the Bridgestones seemingly...be interesting to see if it does change things

[Shaun Harris]

...on Michelins, which could well make the difference to his pace, he just can't use the Bridgestones seemingly...be interesting to see if it does change things



This is the exact same thing that happened to Simon Crafar, untill Simon got back on tyres he liked and was not fast enough any longer! He is finished/spent and will be bought out at seasons end if need be. Simon was man enough to move on

[pritch]

Simon was man enough to move on

He didn't have a lot of say in it. Crafar says he was told it's easier to change the rider than it is to change the tyre manufacturer.

[Rcktfsh]

Very suprised to have moved up to 38th in the MotoGp.com league after that round, how are you getting on Roogazza?

[sugilite]

He didn't have a lot of say in it. Crafar says he was told it's easier to change the rider than it is to change the tyre manufacturer.
And how did said team get on with a new rider? Did they win any more races like ever?
I thought the team was crazy at the time changing tyre brands, I mean how non factory teams win races at that level!

[pritch]

And how did said team get on with a new rider? Did they win any more races like ever?


I have no idea, I just remember Crafar describing how things went from being asked if there was anything else he needed, to getting the arse card.

Can't remember where I saw that. He does have quite a long chat at the start of his Motvudu DVD but I'm not sure if it was included in that or not.

[sugilite]

I have no idea, I just remember Crafar describing how things went from being asked if there was anything else he needed, to getting the arse card.


The team just went steadily backwards, they never won another race again. Nobs!

[GD66]

That is, if you don't count Laconi's win in 1999, or McCoy's three GP wins in the 2000 season...

[Erelyes]

My bets...
Marq win
Dovi top3
Cal top3



Two bins and a blow-up :facepalm:

The Marquez magic is a bit thin on the ground this year. He was doing fantastic for the first few laps, and I thought I was really in with a shot (given that Dovi was 2nd). Then Lozenge puts an entire second on the rest in the space of one laps. Oh, one of those races Jorge....

Moto2 race was a bit boring, despite being a crashfest.

That Moto3 race though... 'phwoar' is the only word for it...

[sugilite]

That is, if you don't count Laconi's win in 1999, or McCoy's three GP wins in the 2000 season...
Opps :facepalm:

[Autech]

He binned it in Qualifying & ended up having to do Qualifying 2, where he thought he'd done enough & was yakking to the crew about setup problems when he was pipped by 2 others & so starts 13th.
He'll either win it or bin it I reckon.

Good call!


Jack Miller to replace MM for 2016 ONE year factory contract! Well that is my prediction anyway.


^^^^^^
Corrected for accuracy. Now DP hasn't got a fucked arm look out. Thats my prediction anyway!

[Shaun Harris]

Good call!




^^^^^^
Corrected for accuracy. Now DP hasn't got a fucked arm look out. Thats my prediction anyway!




Never believe anything you read till ya see it in the flesh

[pritch]

Never believe anything you read till ya see it in the flesh

Bearing your warning in mind I hesitate to mention this, but it is reported on Twitter by one of the GP journos that Melandri has raced his last race in MotoGP.

[Drew]

Bearing your warning in mind I hesitate to mention this, but it is reported on Twitter by one of the GP journos that Melandri has raced his last race in MotoGP.

The most repeatedly ritered GP rider ever.

[denill]

Bearing your warning in mind I hesitate to mention this, but it is reported on Twitter by one of the GP journos that Melandri has raced his last race in MotoGP.

Riders at the rear of the field will be disappointed, as he's had a stranglehold on last, in practice and races.

[Shaun Harris]

Bearing your warning in mind I hesitate to mention this, but it is reported on Twitter by one of the GP journos that Melandri has raced his last race in MotoGP.



It has to happen Pritch, he is totally spent and just making money still thinking he enjoys his job still

[Autech]

Never believe anything you read till ya see it in the flesh

Aint that the truth.


Bearing your warning in mind I hesitate to mention this, but it is reported on Twitter by one of the GP journos that Melandri has raced his last race in MotoGP.

We may all sit and laugh on here but lets not forget what he gets to go home to every night :first:


George was fantastic, Eeeahhhnonneee was brilliant, Rossi was solid but not solid enough to take down the young masterclass gun. Pedrosa looked to be in good shape on the bike, only real weak spot I noticed in his riding was under brakes into the first corner.
Marquez got away with his usual on the limit stuff, anyone see how crossed up he was into turn 1 lap 1? Glad he stayed on there as he would have done some serious damage if he had come off. Wasn't that bigger crash from him, similar issues to what all the other Hondas had last round with the front end, Honda engineers need to pull their finger out if they want him or Dani to even finish in the top 3 this year.
Crutchlow..........

Was disappointed Dovi pulled it in when the bike wasn't working properly, I do wonder if he would have been able to stay out there any chip in a few points rather than a DNF.

[Shaun Harris]

Interesting read from Cycle World

http://bit.ly/1BDLEGf

[denill]

Bearing your warning in mind I hesitate to mention this, but it is reported on Twitter by one of the GP journos that Melandri has raced his last race in MotoGP.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Jun/150601-33.htm

[Autech]

"was put out by the progressive break-up of his rear sprocket."

That answers my question about Dovi.

[pritch]

Overnight there was a Michelin tyre test at Mugello. Lorenzo and Rossi both experienced crashes due to the front tyre washing out. Motomatters has a report.

Also overnight, a storm on the Isle of Man. The Mountain road was closed and the high winds brought trees down around the Island. Some of the locals have made their homes available for campers to dry out saturated kit, get a hot shower and a hot drink. There must be some nice people on the Island.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some of the locals have made their homes available for campers to dry out saturated kit, get a hot shower and a hot drink. There must be some nice people on the Island.

Either that, or some local banjo players looking for fresh meat.

[Shaun Harris]

Either that, or some local banjo players looking for fresh meat.



Haha, but the Island is full of very helpfull people around this time of year

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haha, but the Island is full of very helpfull people around this time of year

I can imagine. I'm only keeping myself amused.

[Shaun Harris]

I can imagine. I'm only keeping myself amused.



There is also a shit load of SCUMB living on the Island. Most of them come from another country just off shore from the Island. They seem to think the Island is a DRUG free place, there is more chemicalls on there than in a chemist shop

[Autech]

Either that, or some local banjo players looking for fresh meat.

I hope manxkiwi pops his nose in to this thread and reads that lol

[puddytat]

Marquez got away with his usual on the limit stuff, anyone see how crossed up he was into turn 1 lap 1? .

Phark yeah that was really out of shape.
There was a really good slomo of Rossi saving a rear wheel slide too:blink:

[Shaun Harris]

Phark yeah that was really out of shape.
There was a really good slomo of Rossi saving a rear wheel slide too:blink:



Yea the Rossi one was super cool

[Autech]

That Rossi save was bonkers, forgot about that. Had me applauding the television.


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[Jezxa]

Interesting read from Cycle World

http://bit.ly/1BDLEGf

Interesting indeed. That makes a lot of sense and explains what we've been seeing from the Hondas this season

[pritch]

Interesting indeed. That makes a lot of sense and explains what we've been seeing from the Hondas this season

Kevin Cameron is a brilliant technical writer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kevin Cameron is a brilliant technical writer.

The best ever in my opinion.

[BMWST?]

The best ever in my opinion.
Quality stuff for eons,i remember reading his stuff I old cycle magazines!

[steveyb]

I just watched the Marquez's nightmare weekend video on Motogp site.
The lap where he ran really wide in T1, but came back and didn't lose a place.
It looks so much to me that his front tyre was sliding across the track and leaving a black line.
Have a close look, tell me I'm right or wrong.
How can a bike be so screwed up to do that? I'm baffled by it.

[BMWST?]

I just watched the Marquez's nightmare weekend video on Motogp site.
The lap where he ran really wide in T1, but came back and didn't lose a place.
It looks so much to me that his front tyre was sliding across the track and leaving a black line.
Have a close look, tell me I'm right or wrong.
How can a bike be so screwed up to do that? I'm baffled by it.
It's not totally screwed,but at this level a small problem is magnified,and MM riding style is making the problem even more noticeable.the pendulum has swung towards the yamahas,but next sesson the yamaha may well have gone to far in one direction,and the hondas may be back towards "middle" ground in the next couple of meetings

[Autech]

I am wondering if MM will have to change his riding style up a bit to see if it helps. Dani doesnt look anyway near as uncomfortable with the bike and was catching him at Mugello. Next round will be the most telling I think for all the Honda boys


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[Shaun Harris]

I am wondering if MM will have to change his riding style up a bit to see if it helps. Dani doesnt look anyway near as uncomfortable with the bike and was catching him at Mugello. Next round will be the most telling I think for all the Honda boys


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Different tyres they will be trying at next round may help there problem. MM causing the side wall of the tyre to collapse that much, that he obviously looses grip big time and over works the tyre getting it too hot to soon destroying its goodness to soon. And this in turns upsets the suspension which then causes chassis pitching issue,s also, meaning loss of rear grip also, and more destroyed over worked tyres.

[manxkiwi]

Either that, or some local banjo players looking for fresh meat.

Nothin' like a good storm to get some unsuspectin' yunguns in yer front room! Sure got a purdy mouth...

[BMWST?]

i rate MV but i never expected this


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Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st/Prev.

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1
25
Maverick VIÑALES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Maverick+Vi%C3%B1ales)
SPA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
336.5
1'41.105



2
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
337.0
1'41.158
0.053 / 0.053


3
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
336.1
1'41.232
0.127 / 0.074


4
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
345.4
1'41.384
0.279 / 0.152


5
44
Pol ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Pol+Espargaro)
SPA
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
339.8
1'41.473
0.368 / 0.089


6
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
339.6
1'41.479
0.374 / 0.006


7
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
345.2
1'41.563
0.458 / 0.084


8
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
CWM LCR Honda
Honda
342.5
1'41.644
0.539 / 0.081


9
68
Yonny HERNANDEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Yonny+Hernandez)
COL
Octo Pramac Racing
Ducati
345.1
1'41.658
0.553 / 0.014


10
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
337.9
1'41.667
0.562 / 0.009


11
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
342.3
1'41.699
0.594 / 0.032


12
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
344.1
1'41.864
0.759 / 0.165


13
45
Scott REDDING (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Scott+Redding)
GBR
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
340.3
1'41.994
0.889 / 0.130


14
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Avintia Racing
Ducati
341.0
1'42.222
1.117 / 0.228


15
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
Octo Pramac Racing
Ducati
342.3
1'42.381
1.276 / 0.159


16
6
Stefan BRADL (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Stefan+Bradl)
GER
Athinà Forward Racing
Yamaha Forward
338.4
1'42.458
1.353 / 0.077


17
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
334.2
1'42.519
1.414 / 0.061


18
63
Mike DI MEGLIO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Mike+Di+Meglio)
FRA
Avintia Racing
Ducati
336.4
1'42.623
1.518 / 0.104


19
69
Nicky HAYDEN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Nicky+Hayden)
USA
Aspar MotoGP Team
Honda
333.0
1'42.723
1.618 / 0.100


20
43
Jack MILLER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jack+Miller)
AUS
CWM LCR Honda
Honda
333.8
1'42.805
1.700 / 0.082


21
76
Loris BAZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Loris+Baz)
FRA
Athinà Forward Racing
Yamaha Forward
329.8
1'42.817
1.712 / 0.012


22
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
AB Motoracing
Honda
334.3
1'43.013
1.908 / 0.196


23
50
Eugene LAVERTY (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Eugene+Laverty)
IRL
Aspar MotoGP Team
Honda
330.6
1'43.267
2.162 / 0.254


24
15
Alex DE ANGELIS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alex+de+Angelis)
RSM
E-Motion IodaRacing Team
ART
326.6
1'44.571
3.466 / 1.304


25
33
Marco MELANDRI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marco+Melandri)
ITA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
330.9
1'45.206
4.101 / 0.635

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Weather Conditions:| Track Condition: Dry| Air: 24º| Humidity: 60%| Ground: 30ºRecords:
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Fastest Lap:
Lap: 16
Maverick VIÑALES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Maverick+Vi%C3%B1ales)
1'41.105
168.3 Km/h


Circuit Record Lap:
2014
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
1'42.182
166.5 Km/h


Best Lap:
2013
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
1'40.893
168.6 Km/h

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[pritch]

i rate MV but i never expected this



Apparently Catalunya suits the Suzuki. At their first test there with the new bike they got to within .6 of the lap record.

Rossi just made Q2 by the skin of his teeth. Pedro is stuck in Q1.

[Erelyes]

BTSport commentary is comedy gold sometimes. Julian Ryder & Keith Huewen at the start of FP3...

KH - So we're live with everything here from the Circuit de Catalunya... Circuit de Barcelona-slash-Catalunya...

JR - When did they do that? That's a recent one.

KH - Again, it's a political thing probably as much as anything, isn't it? The regions in Spain.

JR - Oh, the politics of that Keith are well avoided.

KH - Yeah we're not used to that in England, really are we? Or Britain, I should say

JR - Unless you're from Yorkshire. Or Scotland. Northern Ireland.. or Wales... And indeed nowadays, England.

KH - Aaah, England, um.... Speaking as an Englishman I'm quite happy with our lot. I'm quite happy to be called British.

JR - Snap.

:laugh:

There's also been a running joke all season so far that JR has a fiver on the fact that the factory ducatis will keep their winglets all year.

[Reckless]

Apparently Catalunya suits the Suzuki. At their first test there with the new bike they got to within .6 of the lap record.

Rossi just made Q2 by the skin of his teeth. Pedro is stuck in Q1.

Good to see another manufacturer up there.
Suzuki on soft tyres Grrrr although they did say they went good on race hards as well. They just got a 4-5mph engine upgrade, track really suits their bike.

MM back up there but not 1/2 sec ahead. Dovi up there to and Vale made it to 7th after nearly missing :) .
Now this should be a good race if the Suzuki's can keep that form on race setup/rubber :)
Iannone would like to have done better I think.

1 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 332.9 1'40.546
2 25 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 333.9 1'40.629 0.083 / 0.083
3 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 336.9 1'40.646 0.100 / 0.017
4 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 344.1 1'40.754 0.208 / 0.108
5 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 342.8 1'40.907 0.361 / 0.153
6 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 346.3 1'40.928 0.382 / 0.021
7 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 335.7 1'41.058 0.512 / 0.130
8 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 339.9 1'41.068 0.522 / 0.010
9 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR CWM LCR Honda Honda 343.6 1'41.195 0.649 / 0.127
10 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 341.8 1'41.333 0.787 / 0.138
11 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 338.7 1'41.385 0.839 / 0.052
12 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Ducati Team Ducati 345.7 1'41.524 0.978 / 0.139

[sugilite]

Would love to see the suzukis get ahead of Lorenzo for a lap or two to let Rossi, MM, Dovi and Pedro bunch up on him. Will be all on then :yes: If Lorenzo holeshots it will be done and dusted :no:

[ellipsis]

Would love to see the suzukis get ahead of Lorenzo for a lap or two to let Rossi, MM, Dovi and Pedro bunch up on him. Will be all on then :yes: If Lorenzo holeshots it will be done and dusted :no:


...the problem with a statement like that, is that, everything lies in the lap of the gods...

[Grumph]

...the problem with a statement like that, is that, everything lies in the lap of the gods...

Or, to be more accurate, the hands of the team's electronics expert...

[ellipsis]

Or, to be more accurate, the hands of the team's electronics expert...

...they get paid...he does it for free...

[BMWST?]

... the lap of the gods...
no thats normally Jorges first lap

[Erelyes]

Moneywise I have Dovi for a win (paying $10), Vinales for a podium (paying $12), Aleix for a podium (paying $7).

I figure even if the Yamahas disappear, the Suzis have got to have a chance at a podium.

[pritch]

.

I figure even if the Yamahas disappear, the Suzis have got to have a chance at a podium.

David Emmett of Motomatters, who is as aware of what's what as most pundits, picks JL, VR, Esp A. It would seem he too thinks Suzuki have a shot at the podium.

Me? I'm not picking anybody cause that'll probably be enough to wreck their chances. Not long now.

[puddytat]

David Emmett of Motomatters, who is as aware of what's what as most pundits, picks JL, VR, Esp A. It would seem he too thinks Suzuki have a shot at the podium.

Me? I'm not picking anybody cause that'll probably be enough to wreck their chances. Not long now.

The first 2 races were both crackers.....lets now sit back & see what the main course is like:drool:

[Crasherfromwayback]

MM has another brain fart.

[carbonhed]

MM has another brain fart.

:laugh: He seems to be completely without a Plan B.

[Oscar]

MM has another brain fart.

I see your boy friend was there...

[SPman]

If Lorenzo holeshots it will be done and dusted :no: Again!.....

[puddytat]

Yamaha must surely be odds on for riders & constructors......

May be that Marks "B" in his plan B, stands for something you chuck your shit into...

[Crasherfromwayback]

:laugh: He seems to be completely without a Plan B.

Charge, charge or charge!


I see your boy friend was there...

Dopey prick should've taken his leathers.

[Oscar]

Charge, charge or charge!



Dopey prick should've taken his leathers.

I reckon he wouldn't have come last if he'd have taken the mirrors off of that new honda...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I reckon he wouldn't have come last if he'd have taken the mirrors off of that new honda...

He seems pretty happy retired.

[pritch]

Dopey prick should've taken his leathers.

He did. That was the most underwhelming new vehicle launch I have ever seen, not that I've seen that many. What a waste of time.

Marquez said before the race that if the choice was between circulating down the field or risking losing the front end he would take the risk. Good attitude.

Crutchlow had a similar experience to Marquez. Last time out several Honda riders went down with the same problem. New chassis and new swing arms but the problem persists, somebody at HRC might be losing sleep.

I was wondering about those fins on the Ducati, if Gigi has designed a new bike so as to cure all the front end problems, why the fins?

Smith done good again. Well, a whole lot better than his team mate. Espagero must be getting worried, his contract is not with Tech 3, but with Yamaha. He was signed by Yamaha because he had been able to compete with Marquez in Moto2, so Yamaha had high hopes he'd be able to compete with Marquez in MotoGP. Unfortunately he's having trouble competing with Smith. I wonder if Yamaha have a plan B?

And Maria Herrera picked up a world championship point. Good for her.

[Oscar]

He did. That was the most underwhelming new vehicle launch I have ever seen, not that I've seen that many. What a waste of time.

Marquez said before the race that if the choice was between circulating down the field or risking losing the front end he would take the risk. Good attitude.

Crutchlow had a similar experience to Marquez. Last time out several Honda riders went down with the same problem. New chassis and new swing arms but the problem persists, somebody at HRC might be losing sleep.

I was wondering about those fins on the Ducati, if Gigi has designed a new bike so as to cure all the front end problems, why the fins?

Smith done good again. Well, a whole lot better than his team mate. Espagero must be getting worried, his contract is not with Tech 3, but with Yamaha. He was signed by Yamaha because he had been able to compete with Marquez in Moto2, so Yamaha had high hopes he'd be able to compete with Marquez in MotoGP. Unfortunately he's having trouble competing with Smith. I wonder if Yamaha have a plan B?

And Maria Herrera picked up a world championship point. Good for her.

Crutchlow seemed to have help.
He got a bump from one of the Suzukis.

[puddytat]

Twas Vinales if I remember correctly.....

Who I thought is riding bloody well on the Suzuki as a rookie
The other rookie sticking out is Rins in Moto2.

[Oscar]

Twas Vinales if I remember correctly.....

Who I thought is riding bloody well on the Suzuki as a rookie
The other rookie sticking out is Rins in Moto2.

If only that Zook could have got off the line a bit faster.
They sound good though...

[puddytat]

If only that Zook could have got off the line a bit faster.
They sound good though...

Fark yeah!! They sound really similar to the Yamaha I thought....I wonder why?

Yes it was a disappointing start for them both & after the 1st couple of corners I was thinking that it was now all about the also ran's .

[pritch]

Crutchlow seemed to have help.
He got a bump from one of the Suzukis.

True. I just read his explanation, Espargero A bunted him off line and onto he dirty part of the track. When he remounted the back brake wasn't working 'cause the line was split so he retired.

[merv]

So Crasher, your boy has been the test rider - has he gone and developed a bike that handles like his old Ducati used to - washing out at the front end?

Funny how things turn. A year or so ago the Yamahas were struggling with the teams blaming the tyres and now the Yamahas are cornering like they are on rails again while Honda has gone totally off in a bad direction.

[GD66]

Before doing so he wobbled around at quarter speed and all over the joint and nearly got torpedoed by the leaders when they came across him unexpectedly at La Caixa. Scary !

[Crasherfromwayback]

So Crasher, your boy has been the test rider - has he gone and developed a bike that handles like his old Ducati used to - washing out at the front end?

.

Lol. I'd hardly call him the test rider mate. Think they simply ask him what he thinks from time to time. When he was the main man they certainly didn't have too many problems with it eh.

[carbonhed]

Marquez said before the race that if the choice was between circulating down the field or risking losing the front end he would take the risk. Good attitude.



Not if you're trying to win a championship. Pedro managed third on the bike after all.

Accumulate the points you can and pray for a solution to the bikes problems.

[pritch]

Not if you're trying to win a championship.


By now he might feel the writing is on the wall. Finishing fourth or fifth won't help his cause but if he strings a win or two together who knows? After the last couple of years his faith in his own ability must be off the chart. His faith in the bike not so much now. Although that could change quickly if HRC find the answer to their problem.

Did I read that he is one point ahead of Bradders in the championship?

[carbonhed]

Did I read that he is one point ahead of Bradders in the championship?

Indeed! :laugh: Nobody saw that coming.

Wonder how many times Rossi has been 1.4 behind after 4 laps and stayed there for the next 20? Not much action but enormous tension. Great riding by Lorenzo to hold him there.

[Autech]

MM has another brain fart.

MM does his usual and doesn't allow for the rider in front when braking... Lucky he didn't take out JL.


Not if you're trying to win a championship. Pedro managed third on the bike after all.

Accumulate the points you can and pray for a solution to the bikes problems.

I think HRC have their work cut out for them, those Yamaha's looked rock solid even in the slippery conditions.


By now he might feel the writing is on the wall. Finishing fourth or fifth won't help his cause but if he strings a win or two together who knows? After the last couple of years his faith in his own ability must be off the chart. His faith in the bike not so much now. Although that could change quickly if HRC find the answer to their problem.

I think I read recently that Rossi has come back from further in points. Might be a big ask with George, Valerino, Dovi and manic Joe riding so well though.

Stoked to see Dani back on the podium after missing those rounds this year. He mentioned the issues they are having with the bike, he didn't look very comfortable on the bike but I think all the bikes looked a bit wobbly mid corner due to the lack of grip. If he could get off the line like he used to I think he might be the one to mess up JL for the others to pounce. Shame he/the bike seems to have lost that epic launch ability that he used to be known for.

[Oscar]

Not if you're trying to win a championship. Pedro managed third on the bike after all.

Accumulate the points you can and pray for a solution to the bikes problems.

Dani's bike is nuthin' like Marky's one.

[carbonhed]

Dani's bike is nuthin' like Marky's one.

In what way?

[roogazza]

I stumbled on the result before I saw the race. But after 5 laps I was fast forwarding as it was a bit ho hum.
Rossi second was good,but I'm hopin for one place higher in Assen.

CC could've won it ya know??
and BS coulda been on the podium ?? (Crash dot knobs)......:laugh:

Zarco came thru for me tho.:niceone:

[carbonhed]

CC could've won it ya know??
and BS coulda been on the podium ?? (Crash dot knobs)......:laugh:


CC got punted off by Aleix. BS is sixth in the championship, one point behind MM, top satellite and caning his team mate who's on a better bike. Try opening your other eye. You're like a stuck fucking record.

[steveyb]

CC got punted off by Aleix. BS is sixth in the championship, one point behind MM, top satellite and caning his team mate who's on a better bike. Try opening your other eye. You're like a stuck fucking record.

While I am not overly fond of bald gingers with poofy sounding pommy accents, and I think that he is missing just a sprinkle, a dash, a dusting, a mere dollop of killer instinct (eg the Le Mans (??) race where he didn't/couldn't take the fight back to ManiacJoe and MM), I am HUGELY impressed with his resolve to do well when things are not looking easy and with his consistency.
To be in his position is frankly outstanding and praiseworthy.
Considering that EsP is supposed to be the golden boy, on current form he should be let go and Smi should be given a 2 year extension with a factory bike.
We know that Poncheral loves him and did all he could to keep him this year as it was not looking good for a bit there, so that means he will now be trying to find a factory seat for him for the future, with Tech Trois or elsewhere.
That is all.
Now, back to my Bradders worship.....

[trev]

So Crasher, your boy has been the test rider - has he gone and developed a bike that handles like his old Ducati used to - washing out at the front end?

.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?to=&from=&a=http://www.gp-inside.com/10761/16-juin-2015/casey-stoner-le-probleme-de-honda-n-est-pas-le-moteur

[roogazza]

CC got punted off by Aleix. BS is sixth in the championship, one point behind MM, top satellite and caning his team mate who's on a better bike. Try opening your other eye. You're like a stuck fucking record.

312841 xxx

[Oscar]

In what way?

Sorry for the delay, it was Kevin Cameron comments in his blog:


Bear in mind that Pedrosa is not on the same chassis or setup as Marquez, so no valid comparisons between their outcomes can be made.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/06/15/motogp-racing-2015-grand-prix-of-spain-catalunya-wrap-up-results-insights-and-analysis/

[pritch]

Some hereabout don't seem to like Smith, and feel he doesn't deserve the ride. He won GPs on 125s but in his first year with Tech 3 he was riding their Moto2 Bike.
At the time that bike was known to be a dog but he stuck with the programme. Nobody, with the possible exception of some KBers, was expecting him to win.

Smith is doing everything that could be reasonably expected of him now and he deserves credit for that. As a bonus these days he sometimes gets to spend a few laps following the likes of Rossi or Marquez so he may be learning new tricks.

I wish him well. Then again I basically wish success for anyone who isn't Spanish, I was getting sick of their national anthem. It was good to hear the British and French anthems as well as the Spanish last weekend. Variety is the spice of life.

[Autech]

Some hereabout don't seem to like Smith, and feel he doesn't deserve the ride. He won GPs on 125s but in his first year with Tech 3 he was riding their Moto2 Bike.
At the time that bike was known to be a dog but he stuck with the programme. Nobody, with the possible exception of some KBers, was expecting him to win.

Smith is doing everything that could be reasonably expected of him now and he deserves credit for that. As a bonus these days he sometimes gets to spend a few laps following the likes of Rossi or Marquez so he may be learning new tricks.

I wish him well. Then again I basically wish success for anyone who isn't Spanish, I was getting sick of their national anthem. It was good to hear the British and French anthems as well as the Spanish last weekend. Variety is the spice of life.

I've never had an issue with him, sounds very clever in this article:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/220091/1/maxedout-smith-leads-stormy-catalunya-test.html

Any rider in the top 10 that isn't Spanish is a plus in my opinion.

[puddytat]

Quite interesting

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/220085/1/marquez-tempted-by-2014-chassis-switch.html

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some hereabout don't seem to like Smith,


I've never had an issue with him, sounds very clever in this article:
.

Apart from the fact that he's a pom, with a shite accent, he seems like a nice enough chap. But enough of the excuses. People on sat bikes have done way more, in seasons past, if they're the real deal. They were..he's not. FFS...Stoner nearly won a race on over the counter Michelins in his first ever season...on a sat bike! Even CC put it on the podium. Get over it you ginga lovers.

[pritch]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/blue-on-blue/

[carbonhed]

Apart from the fact that he's a pom, with a shite accent, he seems like a nice enough chap. But enough of the excuses. People on sat bikes have done way more, in seasons past, if they're the real deal. They were..he's not. FFS...Stoner nearly won a race on over the counter Michelins in his first ever season...on a sat bike! Even CC put it on the podium. Get over it you ginga lovers.

Well he's definitely not a Stoner or any other kind of Alien... but there are other things playing against him. The Ducati's are genuinely quick now and they've got solid riders aboard. So that's six factory rides to overcome. Plus there's the liability in qualifying of not having access to the supersoft tyre so there's eight bikes that he's got to contend with to get a decent grid position.. nine if you count the always chirpy Pol.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/220064/1/espargaro-im-a-bit-lost-now.html

[pritch]

Bradley Smith has kindly just posted a reminder that this is race week, and that everything happens a day earier this week because the Assen race is on Saturday.

[carbonhed]

Bradley Smith has kindly just posted a reminder that this is race week, and that everything happens a day earier this week because the Assen race is on Saturday.

Motorcycling legend :laugh:

[pritch]

The ups and downs of racing? In FP1 Danny Kent has gapped the field, MM93 crashed on the outlap.

Rossi finished top in FP1. Now he just needs to do that in qualifying. :whistle:

[Reckless]

Good move! Now eliminate soft tyres for qualifying and I'll be a happy chappy :)

Before the Motul TT Assen the Moto3™ grid met with Race Direction’s Mike Webb to discuss safety issues with slip-streaming in Qualifying.
Qualifying for the Catalunya round of the World Championship saw up to thirty Moto3™ riders riding slowly on the racing line, endangering not only themselves but also others on track. Riders waiting for a tow is not a new problem in Moto3™, nor any class, but Catalunya saw the issue reach a critical point and demonstrate that the previous penalty system was not working.

“We have an on going problem especially in Moto3 where riders specifically wait for a faster rider to go past so they can follow in hopes of improving their lap time,” said Mike Webb. He continued, “At some circuits it’s not a big problem but in Catalunya it was a big problem in Moto3. In those conditions no one has a chance to set a fast lap and it’s dangerous.”

Previously, a rider found to be riding dangerously would be given a penalty point with the collection of these resulting in various sanctions such as starting from the back of the grid, from the pits or being disqualified from the race. This proved ineffective in the Moto3™ class.

Beginning in Assen riders must be within 107% of their normal lap time with each circulation in Free Practice and Qualifying sessions. This is not a hard limit, but more of an indicator to race direction and as such riders falling outside this 107% margin will be reviewed. If it is found a rider was deliberately slow to wait for another rider they will be penalised with warnings, which may lead to a penalty affecting grid positions.

If this system fails, Race Direction has proposed a change to the format of Qualifying. This suggested change is similar to the old ‘Superpole’ system where riders leave the pit-lane one by one to ensure each rider has a ‘clean’ lap. This would reduce the number of riders on track to remove the problem. This is an extreme solution and Mike Webb is keen to avoid this radical final step.

[Doppleganger]

Bradley Smith has kindly just posted a reminder that this is race week, and that everything happens a day earier this week because the Assen race is on Saturday.

From next year its moving to race day on a Sunday

https://motomatters.com/news/2015/06/25/dutch_motogp_round_at_assen_to_switch_fr.html

[pritch]

Q1 is due at 12.10AM

Q2 follows at 12.35

Might have a coffee to keep me awake.

Ezpelata is just outlining Dorna's plans for next year and into the future. Lots to read tomorrow.

[pritch]

Rossi on pole. So the old dude can still do it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi on pole. So the old dude can still do it.

He'll be bloody hard to beat round there. Obviously loves the place! Miller in 20th some 2 secs off the front. Not sure HRC have got that gamble right. http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Jun/150626-vr-pole.htm

[Oscar]

The old geezer was paying $15 for pole!
Thanks Vale!

[Crasherfromwayback]

The old geezer was paying $15 for pole!
Thanks Vale!

Nice collect there mate!

[p.dath]

I notice the next round of MotoGP is on tonight at midnight. Does anyone know any bars on the North Shore of Auckland or even anywhere in Auckland that would show it?

[pritch]

For those with access there is an interesting video about the onboard camera gear. It's thirty years since it was used for the first time at Assen and the gear has changed - a lot. Things didn't go to plan but it worked out well. It's an interesting clip.

[Mental Trousers]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/06/26/motogp-set-to-enter-a-new-era/178675

Must say I'm disappointed. The technical rules are to stay the same, so only 4 cylinder 4 strokes up to 1000cc.

Stability is good and the manufacturers won't have to develop new engines, just keep evolving their current designs. But it also means there's not going to be anything different or new, so more twin beam frames, forks in the front and no 2 strokes/rotaries/forced induction etc.

A maximum of 24 riders limits the number of manufacturers though. However, has there ever been a time when there's been more than 6 major manufacturers participating??

[BMWST?]

VR better get a good start.He could very easily find himself back a few places,and the Honda s already seem to be improving.He might find himself behind 3 hondas a yamaha and a suzuki.,albeit much closer to the front.George wont let him back in front with out a fight....we been there before.Bring it.

[ellipsis]

For those with access there is an interesting video about the onboard camera gear. It's thirty years since it was used for the first time at Assen and the gear has changed - a lot. Things didn't go to plan but it worked out well. It's an interesting clip.



...On a rain off day on the Island in '82 we got to see the first onboard shots of a lap around the Mountain...Can't remember if it was Mick Grant or Bob McElnea on the Honda...it will be a memory that sticks, not so much for the vid which was a bit mindblowing, but the audience in the picture theatre doing violent left and right leans for the whole 37+ miles...it was on a continuous loop and I only managed a lap and a half before my neck got sore too...

[Crasherfromwayback]

VR better get a good start.He could very easily find himself back a few places,and the Honda s already seem to be improving.He might find himself behind 3 hondas a yamaha and a suzuki.,albeit much closer to the front.George wont let him back in front with out a fight....we been there before.Bring it.

Think the old boy will be too good for the rest round there.

[eelracing]

A maximum of 24 riders limits the number of manufacturers though. However, has there ever been a time when there's been more than 6 major manufacturers participating??

500cc MV Linto Norton Paton Metisse Seeley Aermacchi.
350cc MV Jawa Yamaha MZ Aermacchi CZ.
250cc Benelli Yamaha Ossa Kawasaki Yamaha MZ Suzuki.

Choccy fish if you can name the year.

But all is sussed in the heavens Rossi is on pole and fighting like a champion.Suzuki is getting better and better.Jorge is on the charge,Marquez looks odds on to get the winning streak back on track.And Pedrosa is still hoping everyone falls off.

[Rcktfsh]

1979 AMA onboard coverage with in race interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ozFpO0zQFw

[GD66]

500cc MV Linto Norton Paton Metisse Seeley Aermacchi.
350cc MV Jawa Yamaha MZ Aermacchi CZ.
250cc Benelli Yamaha Ossa Kawasaki Yamaha MZ Suzuki.

Choccy fish if you can name the year.





Looks like 1968, although the Suzukis were not really factory entries.

Similar lineup for 1969, except more Jawas.

[Mental Trousers]

500cc MV Linto Norton Paton Metisse Seeley Aermacchi.
350cc MV Jawa Yamaha MZ Aermacchi CZ.
250cc Benelli Yamaha Ossa Kawasaki ... MZ Suzuki.

Yamaha twice in the 250cc isn't right.

Back in the days when anything goes and the rules were about 2 paragraphs.

The most innovative of the lot was the Ossa 250cc. A crazy looking monocoque with a 2 stroke in it.

[george formby]

Yet again I finished the race with both fists in my mouth. I am entertained! Wow.:eek:

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Great race !

[eelracing]

Looks like 1968, although the Suzukis were not really factory entries.

Similar lineup for 1969, except more Jawas.

GD for the win.


Yamaha twice in the 250cc isn't right.

Back in the days when anything goes and the rules were about 2 paragraphs.

The most innovative of the lot was the Ossa 250cc. A crazy looking monocoque with a 2 stroke in it.

MT for stating the bleeding obvious.


Yet again I finished the race with both fists in my mouth. I am entertained! Wow.:eek:

Wow doesn't do it justice...the Marquez of old would of punted him out of the race.:doh:

[pritch]

the Marquez of old would of punted him out of the race.:doh:

It's not like he didn't give it a good shot.

Mike Webb's explanation for why he considered the last corner action a racing incident was interesting. After viewing all available camera angles, particularly the overhead helicopter he said that at no point during the attempted overtaking manoeuvre was Marquez in front of Rossi so no advantage was gained.

Marquez had gone back to using the 2014 frame which is apparently where he has gained his improvement.

[roogazza]

It's not like he didn't give it a good shot.

Mike Webb's explanation for why he considered the last corner action a racing incident was interesting. After viewing all available camera angles, particularly the overhead helicopter he said that at no point during the attempted overtaking manoeuvre was Marquez in front of Rossi so no advantage was gained.

Marquez had gone back to using the 2014 frame which is apparently where he has gained his improvement.

Immediate thoughts were 'oh fuck he cut the corner',but a replay showed a punt and all good to me.
I'm a Rossi nut, but that young MM is such a fighter.
#99 looked like he settled after an initial burst thru the pack.
Above all, nice to see everyone stay on, up front.:shifty:

[Gianz]

http://gfycat.com/DiscreteIllinformedAsiaticgreaterfreshwaterclam

even marquez didn't make the corner, meaning he was too hot and there was no room for two bikes. Rossi did the best thing: Wheelie on top of the gravel, look at Marquez and say "vaffanculo"

[roogazza]

"vaffanculo"

LOL " Go fuck yourself " ????????

[carbonhed]

Rossi just will not yield to Marquez when the shit hits the fan. Maximum respect.

Wish we could see some more of the battle for 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. That looked brilliant.

[sil3nt]

http://gfycat.com/DiscreteIllinformedAsiaticgreaterfreshwaterclam

even marquez didn't make the corner, meaning he was too hot and there was no room for two bikes. Rossi did the best thing: Wheelie on top of the gravel, look at Marquez and say "vaffanculo"He would have made the corner if they didnt touch.

Great ride from Marquez but he comes across as a massive knob when he thinks that corner was his.

[Pumba]

Marquez: “I didn’t think he’d cut the corner”

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/06/27/marquez-i-didn-t-think-he-d-cut-the-corner/178954

[GD66]

Mike Webb is right, and there are a couple of pics on Soup that confirm it. Most people would have sat it up to avoid a collision but by racing right Rossi was ahead (even if by fuck all) and correctly tipped it in.
Still and all, from the overhead shots throughout the last lap I couldn't believe Marquez made up so much ground to have a dip at the last chicane. Great racing, and the white-knuckle shitfight for the minor spots was better covered than a similar one down the field in Argentina where we could only see it going on in the distance.
The cockheads that run F1 must be starting to shit themselves...:msn-wink:

[Erelyes]

I knew they wouldn't penalise Rossi. Marquez himself was on the green stuff inboard of the ripple strip so the argument could be almost made that HE cut the corner too!

Moto3 was a bloody fantastic finish!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mike Webb is right, and there are a couple of pics on Soup that confirm it. Most people would have sat it up to avoid a collision but by racing right Rossi was ahead (even if by fuck all) and correctly tipped it in.
Still and all, from the overhead shots throughout the last lap I couldn't believe Marquez made up so much ground to have a dip at the last chicane. Great racing, and the white-knuckle shitfight for the minor spots was better covered than a similar one down the field in Argentina where we could only see it going on in the distance.
The cockheads that run F1 must be starting to shit themselves...:msn-wink:

Yeah. I only saw it live last night the once and thought Rossi should be penalised for cutting the track and gaining back a spot, but that's not correct. Good on the Old Dog. Was a fucking great race.

[GD66]

Any supposed idea of a level playing field for Rossi evaporated the day he made a pass for the lead at Honda corner under a yellow flag at PI and received a 10 sec penalty, whereas up till then and forever a pass under yellow was ALWAYS a ride through minimum with a possible stop as well. And I know a corner worker at PI who was instructed by a Dorna official quite clearly at briefing that if Rossi and another rider came to grief on their turn that Rossi was to be assisted back into the race first, no exceptions.
He has been their cash cow for years and it has always shat me that the Dorna wankers haven't had the imagination to come up with a Plan B marketing ploy to cover his eventual retirement. In saying that, he has bloody amazed me that he has modified his riding style and approach to get back to the front of the field yet again. Love him or hate him, you can't help but be amazed by him.
Sachsenring next...:scooter:

[Crasherfromwayback]

, he has bloody amazed me that he has modified his riding style and approach to get back to the front of the field yet again. Love him or hate him, you can't help but be amazed by him.
Sachsenring next...:scooter:

Couldn't agree more. Good luck to him. Gonna be a shitfight later in the season I reckon. Can't wait to watch it unfold.

[denill]

Any supposed idea of a level playing field for Rossi evaporated the day he made a pass for the lead at Honda corner under a yellow flag at PI and received a 10 sec penalty, whereas up till then and forever a pass under yellow was ALWAYS a ride through minimum with a possible stop as well. And I know a corner worker at PI who was instructed by a Dorna official quite clearly at briefing that if Rossi and another rider came to grief on their turn that Rossi was to be assisted back into the race first, no exceptions.
He has been their cash cow for years and it has always shat me that the Dorna wankers haven't had the imagination to come up with a Plan B marketing ploy to cover his eventual retirement. In saying that, he has bloody amazed me that he has modified his riding style and approach to get back to the front of the field yet again. Love him or hate him, you can't help but be amazed by him.
Sachsenring next...:scooter:

Little doubt that Rossi is the 'Sacred Cow' of MotoGP. Make that the 'Cash Cow' as well and thus, why marginal decisions will always go to the Doctor. ;)

[pritch]

After all that serious discussion something to cheer some of you up. CS has been at the Goodwood Festival of Speed
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[Crasherfromwayback]

After all that serious discussion something to cheer some of you up. CS has been at the Goodwood Festival of Speed
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Lol. Saw those pics. Sheesh he looks unhappy with his lot.

[merv]

That video above certainly makes it look like Marquez never had enough room to get through and the touch sent him into wobbles too messing up his line.

[george formby]

Click on the linky for some piccies..

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/220550/1/pics-rossi-marquez-final-turn-assen-showdown.html

[merv]

Lol. Saw those pics. Sheesh he looks unhappy with his lot.

Yeah having to wear clothes like that and put up with that missus. In truth of course he looks sharp, relaxed and loving it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah having to wear clothes like that and put up with that missus. In truth of course he looks sharp, relaxed and loving it.

Hell yeah. What's not to love about his life. Good on him.

[merv]

Click on the linky for some piccies..

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/220550/1/pics-rossi-marquez-final-turn-assen-showdown.html

That linky shows there was a gap to start with that clearly Marc thought he should have a go at, but then in the next pic Rossi has closed the gap down and I presume that was him hitting the apex on his normal line for the corner. The problem was Marc hadn't got in far enough to get ahead and really make the block pass.

[BMWST?]

That linky shows there was a gap to start with that clearly Marc thought he should have a go at, but then in the next pic Rossi has closed the gap down and I presume that was him hitting the apex on his normal line for the corner. The problem was Marc hadn't got in far enough to get ahead and really make the block pass.
he would never had made it to the front before VR shut the door.I couldnt beleive how far back he came from to get along side ,cos we know VR brakes pretty late.I am not a Rossi fan and my first thought was there might be an investigation,but when the replay showed the touch that was it.VR was pushed of line by MM and really had no choice but to take to the gravel.It woulda been a different storey if the was no touch.I reckon MM shoulda come in round the outside!,the curve may have given him the lead and the line before the touch!

[puddytat]

Vale did that nice round the outside move on Marky a few laps before...
Marky certainly is making contact the new norm. Vale seems to be able to keep it a lot cleaner.
Farkin good racing man.:yes:

[george formby]

Vale did that nice round the outside move on Marky a few laps before...
Marky certainly is making contact the new norm. Vale seems to be able to keep it a lot cleaner.
Farkin good racing man.:yes:

Yeah, just watched the race again and Rossi's pass was quite phwoooar.

Watched moto 3 just now, too. K'in ell. Never disappoints, my fav.

[Pumba]

Vale did that nice round the outside move on Marky a few laps before...

Thanks for the reminder. It has been forgotten in all the last corner drama.

I note in the post race MM said he had made a mistake that allowed VR to get past. The only mistake he made was not expecting Rossi to come past at that part of the track. He was caught napping big time IMO.

[GD66]

Bang on mate. Shit hot racing !

[Crasherfromwayback]

Vale did that nice round the outside move on Marky a few laps before...
Marky certainly is making contact the new norm. Vale seems to be able to keep it a lot cleaner.
:

How's your memory?

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[puddytat]

Thanks for the reminder. It has been forgotten in all the last corner drama.

I note in the post race MM said he had made a mistake that allowed VR to get past. The only mistake he made was not expecting Rossi to come past at that part of the track. He was caught napping big time IMO.

Yeah right on
I got the feeling when he pulled that pass that it was always an option, it was just that at that time, he played that card.
Wiley ole fucker...


How's your memory?

Somewhat biased obviously :laugh:

[pritch]

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/06/28/2015_assen_motogp_post_race_round_up_par.html

[McWild]

Great weekend of racing.

The commentators get talked about a lot, I just foudn this on youtube: Dylan Grey (pits commentator) doing a flying lap of Assen while commentating on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c02Kjhjz2_I

Must be hard work doing a lap and talking the whole time?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c02Kjhjz2_I

[Autech]

Fantastic race. Shame we didn't see more of the scrap for 5th but watching MM stalk VR was worth it I think.

Shame about DP's issues with his bike, I watched him off the line and the bike just sat there, wonder what his race pace would have been like if he wasn't having issues, we may have had VR and MM going for 1st and and DP and JL going for 3rd.

Dunno what MM is complaining about, VR was always ahead of him into that corner. I think Rossi is showing his that his bullying tactics will not work and if Marquez wants to make contact with him, he will always come off worse.

Moto3 was fantastic, great to see the power of the KTM's this year, shame Miller never had that much grunt last year, Young Marquez wouldn't have touched him! :headbang:
Danny Kent is something special too, wonder what he will choose to do at the end of the year, he's already had a crack at Moto2, should he try and jump up to GP?

[george formby]

Danny Kent is something special too, wonder what he will choose to do at the end of the year, he's already had a crack at Moto2, should he try and jump up to GP?

He is riding very smartly indeed.
Niklas Ajo had me in stitches.
http://bikerspost.com/videos/1/3900/taking-the-checkered-flag-on-his-knees-what-a-finish

[pritch]

Must be hard work doing a lap and talking the whole time?



It definitely sounded that way. I'da thunk it was more normal to film the lap, then do the commentary while seated comfortably somewhere with a coffee - or something.

[Autech]

He is riding very smartly indeed.
Niklas Ajo had me in stitches.
http://bikerspost.com/videos/1/3900/taking-the-checkered-flag-on-his-knees-what-a-finish

Haha, that he did. Can't believe how annoyed he was when he went across the line, he should have taken a bow for an epic save. Of course going from 8th to 17th must be a bit of a bitch though!

[merv]

How's your memory?



Those photos show Crasher that those people bitching on about MM's bullying or reckless tactics don't know what they are talking about. He's still not as aggressive as Rossi was in his prime as those photos show. All MM has done is help take racing back to what is was before the "procession" riders like Lorenzo showed up and started complaining when people hassled them to get past instead of following in line like they were "supposed" to. MM and Rossi play the game the same - perhaps the master even schooled MM on how to pass - that whole Laguna thing I am sure was done as a staged pass to just wind up Stoner and his fans.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Those photos show Crasher that those people bitching on about MM's bullying or reckless tactics don't know what they are talking about. He's still not as aggressive as Rossi was in his prime as those photos show. All MM has done is help take racing back to what is was before the "procession" riders like Lorenzo showed up and started complaining when people hassled them to get past instead of following in line like they were "supposed" to. MM and Rossi play the game the same - perhaps the master even schooled MM on how to pass - that whole Laguna thing I am sure was done as a staged pass to just wind up Stoner and his fans.

Lol. Yep. They're all for it going down when it's *their boy* handing out the tough justice. And Lorenzo can talk too. He was banned for a couple of races for playing it too dirty from memory. I'm all fucking for it if it's not outright dangerous and dirty. Be fucking boring (as it has been for a few years a couple ago) without it. Keep the biff.

[george formby]

I was getting a bit irked with MM's bin or win attitude but in hindsight ewes fullas are bang on. He can't bugger off this season and the big boys play just as rough and probably smarter. Rossi is a legend because of his give all attitude, if he thinks he can pull it off he will try. MM will surely become more refined and faster as his experience grows. He freely admits Rossi is his hero and no doubt is trying to emulate the master.
Bradley Smith's quote sums up exactly what I thought at the end of the race. Rossi had his options very well planned. Long may it continue, perfect season for me to spring for a video pass.:clap:

Oh, been meaning to ask. Does the Yamaha look quicker? I didn't see any horsepower advantage for MM from my armchair perspective.

[pritch]

All MM has done is help take racing back to what is was before the "procession" riders like Lorenzo showed up and started complaining when people hassled them to get past instead of following in line like they were "supposed" to.

That sentence is great except I'd swap Stoner's name for Lorenzo's, but hey it's your sentence.:innocent:

And GF asked about horsepower. I haven't read anything about power but MMs handling problems have pretty much gone because he changed back to last year's chassis for Assen.

Rossi's crew reportedly found a different set up that his given him better handling at the last two GPs.

[carbonhed]

Boy Assen suits the moto3 boys :lol:

[george formby]

And GF asked about horsepower. I haven't read anything about power but MMs handling problems have pretty much gone because he changed back to last year's chassis for Assen.

Rossi's crew reportedly found a different set up that his given him better handling at the last two GPs.

Yeah, MM had a bike he knew he could push and Rossi obviously something he likes. Nothing in it on the straights to my blurry eye. Could be corner exit speed, drive, or a few more ponies discreetly added to Yamaha's package. Erm, having said that, is it allowed...? Not sure of the rules on engine modification mid season.

[puddytat]

It really is quite amazing how much a "new" setting can make to a bikes performance....its like a magical balancing act to me.
Rossi seemed to be able to hold his own into & out of the corners, whereas to me Marky seemed to gain a lot thru the mid part of the corner.
Almost like a reversal of what was considered the norm of the two bikes of last year.
But fuck, what do I know.
What I do know though is that the racing has been fantastic & Im glad I got the Motogp pass.. Its like Xmas every 2 weeks...

[BMWST?]

It really is quite amazing how much a "new" setting can make to a bikes performance....its like a magical balancing act to me.
Rossi seemed to be able to hold his own into & out of the corners, whereas to me Marky seemed to gain a lot thru the mid part of the corner.
Almost like a reversal of what was considered the norm of the two bikes of last year.
But fuck, what do I know.
What I do know though is that the racing has been fantastic & Im glad I got the Motogp pass.. Its like Xmas every 2 weeks...
MM has mostly regained the speed from the braking marker into the apex.That where he seems to be able to close in on anyone,and indeed where he tried to pass on the last corner,i couldnt beleive he came from so far back .
I think VR will have two men trying to beat him now,and one will try at any cost

[pritch]

Could be corner exit speed, drive, or a few more ponies discreetly added to Yamaha's package. Erm, having said that, is it allowed...? Not sure of the rules on engine modification mid season.

Ummm from memory all of the engines are sealed at the start fo the season. There was a recent article somewhere about the efforts the organisers take to prevent cheating.

Meanwhile a few days ago David Emmett posted this which includes info on Marquez' and Rossi's bikes:
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/06/26/2015_assen_motogp_round_up_on_rossi_s_as.html

[Autech]

I was getting a bit irked with MM's bin or win attitude but in hindsight ewes fullas are bang on. He can't bugger off this season and the big boys play just as rough and probably smarter. Rossi is a legend because of his give all attitude, if he thinks he can pull it off he will try. MM will surely become more refined and faster as his experience grows. He freely admits Rossi is his hero and no doubt is trying to emulate the master.
Bradley Smith's quote sums up exactly what I thought at the end of the race. Rossi had his options very well planned. Long may it continue, perfect season for me to spring for a video pass.:clap:

Oh, been meaning to ask. Does the Yamaha look quicker? I didn't see any horsepower advantage for MM from my armchair perspective.

Yam has better drive out of the corners from my eyes negating any horsepower advantage the Honda or Ducati may have. I think it would be a case of power where you need it rather than less/more horsepower.

[george formby]

Power is nothing without control, eh? :laugh:

[Autech]

"With great power comes great wheel spin" - Autech 2015


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[Mental Trousers]

Yam has better drive out of the corners from my eyes negating any horsepower advantage the Honda or Ducati may have. I think it would be a case of power where you need it rather than less/more horsepower.

Rossi was getting on the power much earlier than Marquez because MM's entry and corner speed were higher. So the roles have reversed to some extent. It used to be the Honda that got on the power earlier and the Yamaha carried corner speed.

[vifferman]

I quite like Nick Harris, but the fact that all the criticisms in your rant are true makes me wonder why :-)
And the other thing - he knows no superlatives other than adding "so so" in front of something, like "So so important", or "So so quick" or whatever. (And some of the other commentators have started copying him! AAAaarrrrgh!)
Perhaps I could buy a cheap dictionary,cut out a whole bunch of words for him, sellotape them to a piece of cardboard, and he could practice using them in the off-season? Or between races?
And I bet he's paid so so much for being crap at his job. :rolleyes:

[steveyb]

He has even made an effort to get Bastianini's name right, but still can't manage it.

[speights_bud]

... (And some of the other commentators have started copying him! AAAaarrrrgh!)

When Matt started saying 'classic'.... Fuck...

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[puddytat]

I like the wee button that gets rid of that shit & all I hear is a fucking loud racket of motors & crowd.
The missus gets a tad pissed off because she's trying to sleep & 'cause I have earphones on, I get a bit loud with out realising...

[GD66]

When watching on commoner tv I always dip the sound with about four to go 'cos I won't let that knob jockey destroy things once again for me. I looked at that video pass because of the options which originally included POV from all bikes, selection of cameras and shutting off the commentary totally but the system had a fair few glitches in its first year with lots of subscriber complaints so I held off. So can you give us an up-to-date review of how it has worked for you this year then, Puddy ?
Because that is one feature that REALLY appeals after too many years of teeth-grinding...:mad:

[Autech]

Rossi was getting on the power much earlier than Marquez because MM's entry and corner speed were higher. So the roles have reversed to some extent. It used to be the Honda that got on the power earlier and the Yamaha carried corner speed.

Especially Dani Pedrosa who's riding style was to get the bike stood up and yeehaww out of a corner.


I like the wee button that gets rid of that shit & all I hear is a fucking loud racket of motors & crowd.
The missus gets a tad pissed off because she's trying to sleep & 'cause I have earphones on, I get a bit loud with out realising...

Sounds like when I shouted and pissed myself laughing when Rossi knocked Marquez off, or when Marquez fell off the last round. Wife was sitting beside me and actually jumped as I shouted. Next round is going to be something epic I think, not sure how I am going to watch it as I am going to be in Canada for the next month.

[yod]

MM has mostly regained the speed from the braking marker into the apex.That where he seems to be able to close in on anyone,and indeed where he tried to pass on the last corner,i couldnt beleive he came from so far back .
I think VR will have two men trying to beat him now,and one will try at any cost


Rossi was getting on the power much earlier than Marquez because MM's entry and corner speed were higher. So the roles have reversed to some extent. It used to be the Honda that got on the power earlier and the Yamaha carried corner speed.

yeah MM had the medium front compared to both Yam's using the soft so he could brake a bit harder and more confidently into the corners



And the other thing - he knows no superlatives other than adding "so so" in front of something, like "So so important", or "So so quick" or whatever. (And some of the other commentators have started copying him! AAAaarrrrgh!)
Perhaps I could buy a cheap dictionary,cut out a whole bunch of words for him, sellotape them to a piece of cardboard, and he could practice using them in the off-season? Or between races?
And I bet he's paid so so much for being crap at his job. :rolleyes:


He has even made an effort to get Bastianini's name right, but still can't manage it.

ARRGGHH!!!! Nick Harris, someone save me from his drivel!! I quite often hook up the BT Sport transmission via cricfree and play that sound while watching the normal pictures from Sky lol works pretty well :)

[roogazza]

ARRGGHH!!!! Nick Harris, someone save me from his drivel!! I quite often hook up the BT Sport transmission via cricfree and play that sound while watching the normal pictures from Sky lol works pretty well :)

I'm gonna have a go at that myself now.
I'm always muting the fucking TV or winding the Vol way down to avoid hearing the twat.

[puddytat]

When watching on commoner tv I always dip the sound with about four to go 'cos I won't let that knob jockey destroy things once again for me. I looked at that video pass because of the options which originally included POV from all bikes, selection of cameras and shutting off the commentary totally but the system had a fair few glitches in its first year with lots of subscriber complaints so I held off. So can you give us an up-to-date review of how it has worked for you this year then, Puddy ?
Because that is one feature that REALLY appeals after too many years of teeth-grinding...:mad:

Unfortunately I'm still on budget pass......mainly because I'm on Vodascam vodem & its speed is all over the place like a mad women's shit....so I too are wary of paying more for something that might not work.
May try it next season as there's a lot of racing being missed in all the classes.
And Vodafuck might actually have improved its marginal service & may even have a website that is designed to actually help you pay your fucking bill, or see your usage if you can get past the first 3 pages of their adds.
Customer service ?:harumph::facepalm: They make it nearly impossible to get any.:mad:

[BMWST?]

the 36 six year old italian

the 22 year old Spaniard

cant he think of anyother way of describing them?

Every third sentence has Valentino Rossi in it

[george formby]

Sounds like when I shouted and pissed myself laughing when Rossi knocked Marquez off, or when Marquez fell off the last round. Wife was sitting beside me and actually jumped as I shouted..

Yeah, I got a bollocking from the missus for being so vocal.. The neighbour mentioned it today, too. "Everything ok with the Whanau bro? I heard you shouting."

Re commentary disabling on the video pass. I will give it a shot at Ze Sachsenring and let ewes know. Been a bit shy of playing around with the settings, cameras and stuff. First & only time I did I lost about 3 laps of a moto3 race. Tried to replay something from a different camera which worked but took awhile to figure out how to get back to live. I am pretty thick, though.

[GD66]

Hey, me too !

Fingers crossed, meanwhile I might try the BT Sport/cricfree method, anything would be a welcome improvement. Mediocre commentary abounds in all facets of motorsport though, some of the stuff on the Goodwood Festival live feed during the weekend was agonising...:brick:

[steveyb]

When you are on live feed you can actually click back on the timeline and replay from any time.
When you do that the small LIVE button down on the bottom righthand corner will come up RED.
You replay what you want then click on that to go back to the live feed.
But yes, if your b'band is a bit fragile then that can all get a bit iffy.
I tried the no commentary setting, but frankly I have gotten used to Harris' shit now and Birty is quite OK. So I could not watch it without the commentators.
They both get shit wrong or don't see shit, but at least Matt does see most of it and indicates such.
I guess he is not allowed to shout and jump up and down. Apparently Dylan got into trouble for commentating over top of the grid announcement or something, so they have commentating rules.
But I really wonder how Harris keeps his job really.
On that note, have you seen the Parc Ferme manager hustling the riders around and making them stand up straight and all that??
Can see why Casey chucked it in if that is just the tip of the iceberg.

[george formby]

Aaaah, cheers. Going back on the timeline is what flummoxed me.

[pritch]

I looked at that video pass because of the options which originally included POV from all bikes, selection of cameras and shutting off the commentary totally but the system had a fair few glitches in its first year with lots of subscriber complaints so I held off.

At the half way point of the season they usually offer a half price subscription. According to my calculation there is just the one round to go, Sachsenring being the ninth round. Their subscriptions usually expire the day after the final round IIRC, so don't waste time waiting to watch the last race.

[Asher]

Spotted these on Bookface earlier:

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11665360_395972997262163_7489374803676338305_n.jpg ?oh=9f38fc0b318d8750acf3fa679020e476&oe=56338AC3

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/11698644_10206365534312195_853793616076513635_n.jp g?oh=9355ed5b444b2516b55f16d3b5d7546a&oe=5625F70C

[GD66]

frankly I have gotten used to Harris' shit now and Birty is quite OK. So I could not watch it without the commentators.They both get shit wrong or don't see shit, but at least Matt does see most of it and indicates such.




Yep, Birt is quite acceptable, and actually Dylan Grey the pit lane sleuth is worth his wage as well (unlike some of his predecessors). Couldn't generate any enthusiasm for Gavin Emmett in spite of numerous people telling me what a great bloke he is. But it's very irritating that Harris is still honking his inanities at Assen while Toby Moody is doing fill for the Goodwood Festival live stream.
Really all we need them to do is to keep us apprised of the gaps and the laps, because guess what lads, we can see what's happening on the same screen you call the race from. In fact, we undoubtedly have a bigger, better, brighter screen than the trackside monitor you use. It would also be nice to hear the bikes winding up a couple of gears from time to time instead of the incessant commentary for the blind we get hammered with. Sob...:crybaby:

[vifferman]

Assen gave me another new reason to get annoyed with the common taters; their mangling of the names of the corners. Four of the five people and two hounds that rattle round our house have Dutch nationality/citizenship (dogs are presumably half French), and I asked the senior one (person, not mongrel) about it.
As I thought - Ramshoek is not "ramshock", but pronounced more like "rahms hoke" (literally, "ram's corner", from when sheep used to graze on the grass between race events).

It would also be nice to hear the bikes winding up a couple of gears from time to time instead of the incessant commentary for the blind we get hammered with. Sob...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/crybaby.gif
I dunno if they're just old, or their commentary IS still used for radio, but it sounds as though their commentary (especially Harris) is aimed for radio coverage. But, like you, I wish he'd STFU at times.

[carbonhed]

There's a video on MotoGP.com that shows a bit more of the battle for fifth... just whets the appetite unfortunately.

http://www.motogp.com/en/video_update/2015/07/01/overtake-analysis-memorable-passes-at-the-dutchgp/179234

[yod]

the 36 six year old italian

the 22 year old Spaniard

cant he think of anyother way of describing them?

Every third sentence has Valentino Rossi in it

You left out "the nine...times...world...champion..."

[Erelyes]

The neighbour mentioned it today, too. "Everything ok with the Whanau bro? I heard you shouting."

Pretty cool to have a neighbour that checks on shit like that though. How many these days would turn a blind eye.

[george formby]

Pretty cool to have a neighbour that checks on shit like that though. How many these days would turn a blind eye.
He seems pretty cool, state house and his own shit goin on with the missus and kids. Can't be easy knowing the future is more of the same. I felt a proper dick head. Poked my nose into his business in the past and tried to help out with getting some tucker in the garden so I guess it is neighbourly to keep an eye, or ear, open.

Any hoo, motogp.. Sachsenring.. What will happen next this season? It's becoming an addiction.

[george formby]

Interview with Rossi the day after Assen at The Festival of Speed. Busy boy.

https://youtu.be/wOx_TwHW5i8

[Shaun Harris]

He seems pretty cool, state house and his own shit goin on with the missus and kids. Can't be easy knowing the future is more of the same. I felt a proper dick head. Poked my nose into his business in the past and tried to help out with getting some tucker in the garden so I guess it is neighbourly to keep an eye, or ear, open.

Any hoo, motogp.. Sachsenring.. What will happen next this season? It's becoming an addiction.



Good on you for trying to help

[GD66]

ARRGGHH!!!! Nick Harris, someone save me from his drivel!! :)





Don't faint but they are actually starting to slip into him on the Motomatters forum at last, so it could be the thin end of the wedge. :woohoo: One of their contributors is considering writing to MotoGP and threatening to not renew his subscription unless they give ol' Zippy the arse... if a few more join in they may get the hint ! :motu:

[jasonu]

That linky shows there was a gap to start with that clearly Marc thought he should have a go at, but then in the next pic Rossi has closed the gap down and I presume that was him hitting the apex on his normal line for the corner. The problem was Marc hadn't got in far enough to get ahead and really make the block pass.

Maybe VR planned it. He knew MM was close and would likely try a kamikaze move up the inside. Leave enough room for him to stuff it in, move over a bit and brace for the glancing blow and be ready to go straight ahead over the gravel. Better than another possible outcome ie totally block MM and get totally tee boned out of the race. Maybe slightly far fetched but then again if anyone could pull off such a move it would/could be VR.

[GD66]

Bang on. Closed the gap (totally legitimately) and was anticipating a punt of some level. From above, the impact looked like much less than was required to launch him hard left into the trap, and the small wheelie as he was entering served only to confirm that he wasn't amazed/shocked/surprised to be running across there. But that's the difference between the two in terms of race experience.
And if Marquez does indeed get the shits he is falling into the psychological web that has ensnared plenty of previously-willing combatants in the past. Far better to laugh it off and seek revenge somewhere else...his management seem pretty savvy, so with the advantage of a cool-off fortnight and Sachsenring next, perhaps we'll see a dazzling and unexpected inside move from Marky Mark in the sequence of seven left-handers leading round the back. :clap:

[Drew]

What the fuck are you guys smoking? People will anticipate a bit of a rub on long sweeping bends, no one would risk on a hard break in, flick it over and gas it through chicane.

"Small wheelie into the gravel"? I gotta get my hands on whatever gear you take! That ripple strip is pretty sharp, so much so that both wheels were off the ground as he went over it.

Looked like Rossi stood it up and pinned the throttle, but that's just quick thinking I reckon.

[Grumph]

i'd reckon that Mike Webb looked at the chopper shot and saw that MM didn't make the 2nd part of the corner - which would have put Rossi well off track anyway if he'd hung in there - and said " nowhere else to go to stay upright, sorry MrM, your fault, racing incident, results stand "
If MM had had enough control to make the 2nd apex with room to spare, maybe he'd have said Rossi pulled a swiftie, maybe....

[Drew]

i'd reckon that Mike Webb looked at the chopper shot and saw that MM didn't make the 2nd part of the corner - which would have put Rossi well off track anyway if he'd hung in there - and said " nowhere else to go to stay upright, sorry MrM, your fault, racing incident, results stand "
If MM had had enough control to make the 2nd apex with room to spare, maybe he'd have said Rossi pulled a swiftie, maybe....

For sure. Rossi shut the door by following his normal line. Marquez had a blinder of a lap to be close enough to try it on, would have been all his but for <500mm of track length.

No foul.

[Shaun Harris]

i'd reckon that Mike Webb looked at the chopper shot and saw that MM didn't make the 2nd part of the corner - which would have put Rossi well off track anyway if he'd hung in there - and said " nowhere else to go to stay upright, sorry MrM, your fault, racing incident, results stand "
If MM had had enough control to make the 2nd apex with room to spare, maybe he'd have said Rossi pulled a swiftie, maybe....


I think Mike being an ex racer, would have also takin into account that MM let the brakes off to try and get under Rossi which actually caused the contact! Rossi was on the correct normal line on his entry, Clear as mud in the vids to see MM do that, but MM will come back stronger from that little lesson.

[Reckless]

MM is going to hurt someone with this chuckin it up the inside Simoncelli style in a last corner dive when he's already at 130%.
Its supposed to be a non contact sport for a reason, safety. He's made it a contact sport by deliberate contact, there will be consequences.
Rubbing may be racing, but kamakazi marquez is over stepping the line.

[BMWST?]

MM is going to hurt someone with this chuckin it up the inside Simoncelli style in a last corner dive when he's already at 130%.
Its supposed to be a non contact sport for a reason, safety. He's made it a contact sport by deliberate contact, there will be consequences.
Rubbing may be racing, but kamakazi marquez is over stepping the line.
like nobody has done that before?

[Ntoxcated]

like nobody has done that before?
There was a gap (sort of) so MM took it. I reckon Rossi knew he was there (from past experience of doing that himself) and had plenty of time to pick it up and roll off. But which one of them would consider that on the final corner. :bash:

[eelracing]

For sure. Rossi shut the door by following his normal line. Marquez had a blinder of a lap to be close enough to try it on,

MM closed up in the space of four corners...if I was Yamaha I'd be worried.Not so much championship wise but.

MM for the next ten...

[Drew]

MM closed up in the space of four corners...if I was Yamaha I'd be worried.Not so much championship wise but.

MM for the next ten...

I doubt Yamaha went into this season thinking they'd have two bikes in frontof Marquez at all, or even one for that matter! The guy looked to be in a class of his own for two years straight.

Although he was, what he does seems to be something the others can adapt to. He'll win more championships, but I doubt he'll make it to ten.

[eelracing]

MM for the next ten...


....races.

[Grumph]

MM is going to hurt someone with this chuckin it up the inside Simoncelli style in a last corner dive when he's already at 130%.
Its supposed to be a non contact sport for a reason, safety. He's made it a contact sport by deliberate contact, there will be consequences.
Rubbing may be racing, but kamakazi marquez is over stepping the line.

Sorry but this made me laugh, not about Marquez but personal history.
When i made a comeback back when the classic register started, before I'd even gridded up for my first race back, Ray Sherman took me aside and said "racing's no longer a contact sport" To which i replied "jeez Ray, you've taken all the fun out of it".....
The penalty of having a reputation.
Late 60's, early 70's Ruapuna club racing was like Brands was reputed to have been, intimidation, hard contact, give as good as you got, come in from a race with bits knocked off the fairing....But i never saw anyone go down from it as really, the bikes were pretty slow and there was plenty of runoff.

[pritch]

Marquez is able to handle his bike better with the 2014 frame, but the abrupt power characteristics of the 2015 engine remain, so he still doesn't have the sweet handling bike he used to enjoy.

While he may not win the championship this year, he could have a big influence on who the eventual winner is if he keeps finishing between the Yamaha riders.

[Bender]

Made me laugh how cold MM and VR were towards each other in parc ferme - last year they were all matey and handshakes. Under pressure eh?

[Mental Trousers]

Marquez is able to handle his bike better with the 2014 frame, but the abrupt power characteristics of the 2015 engine remain, so he still doesn't have the sweet handling bike he used to enjoy.

The 2015 Honda isn't as forgiving of little mistakes, which is what Marquez does all the time. Essentially he crashes the bike and then rescues the crash. It's what Casey Stoner used to do all the time. It's why he's so fast as he pushes just a tiny bit past the limits all the time, saves it and carries on while everyone else is trying to get as close as possible to the limits without going over. Obviously they're not getting to get that little bit extra that Marquez does.