MotoGP 2015

[Oscar]

Jack Miller top Open in Argentina, Maverick Vinales doing superbly on the Suzuki.

I think Moto2's relevance is waning, hard, and it's a real shame. It was the class to watch in 2010/2011. I just skip to the end of it now.

- There aren't enough seats in GP to accommodate a lot of the talent that maybe would have made it through a few years ago.
- Moto3 is more expensive and it's where the big, established teams are dumping their money (Marc VDS, Gresini, Aspar)
- Everybody's trying to spot talent so early on these days that you're pretty much out if you're not successful in the former CEV (Moto3 Junior WC)

If they can get rides in GP, this will be the last year in Moto2 for Rins, Lowes, and Rabat. But there aren't enough to go around. Zarco, Luthi, Folger, Kallio, Cortese, Siemon, Nakagami, Salom are all doomed to spend their careers in Moto2. Alex Marquez might get a free pass to GPs on his last name.

How long can we expect Quartararo to stay there, if he doesn't skip it all together? IMO Moto 2 is a class for those who are too big or too old for Moto3 and who lack the skills in riding or promotion or who lack the finances (looking at you Abraham)to get into GP.

Half the riders in Moto2 right now would do well to look at an old man (28 year old) like Efren Vazquez. Better to be a somebody in Moto3 than one of the many nobodies in Moto2 these days, no doubt about it.





Also DoviCati for World Champ 2015

There is a maximum age limit in Moto3 - 28 for existing riders and 25 for new riders.

[Autech]

Jack Miller top Open in Argentina, Maverick Vinales doing superbly on the Suzuki.

I think Moto2's relevance is waning, hard, and it's a real shame. It was the class to watch in 2010/2011. I just skip to the end of it now.

- There aren't enough seats in GP to accommodate a lot of the talent that maybe would have made it through a few years ago.
- Moto3 is more expensive and it's where the big, established teams are dumping their money (Marc VDS, Gresini, Aspar)
- Everybody's trying to spot talent so early on these days that you're pretty much out if you're not successful in the former CEV (Moto3 Junior WC)

If they can get rides in GP, this will be the last year in Moto2 for Rins, Lowes, and Rabat. But there aren't enough to go around. Zarco, Luthi, Folger, Kallio, Cortese, Siemon, Nakagami, Salom are all doomed to spend their careers in Moto2. Alex Marquez might get a free pass to GPs on his last name.

How long can we expect Quartararo to stay there, if he doesn't skip it all together? IMO Moto 2 is a class for those who are too big or too old for Moto3 and who lack the skills in riding or promotion or who lack the finances (looking at you Abraham)to get into GP.

Half the riders in Moto2 right now would do well to look at an old man (28 year old) like Efren Vazquez. Better to be a somebody in Moto3 than one of the many nobodies in Moto2 these days, no doubt about it.





Also DoviCati for World Champ 2015

Yup me too, used to love moto2, barely watch it now usually have my laptop open browsing forums... Still think it is a fantastic class, just there is some riders in there that have been there too long hammering away the laps. Alex Rins is pretty feking awesome though, wonder if there is a seat for him in a few years time?

[Shaun Harris]

Make mine Steinlager.


Done dude.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Done dude.

If I loose...contact the peanut that'll owe me my carton for betting Melandri would get a top 5 (I think it was) finish.

[Shaun Harris]

If I loose...contact the peanut that'll owe me my carton for betting Melandri would get a top 5 (I think it was) finish.


Haha that sure was easy piss man

[steveyb]

Yup me too, used to love moto2, barely watch it now usually have my laptop open browsing forums... Still think it is a fantastic class, just there is some riders in there that have been there too long hammering away the laps. Alex Rins is pretty feking awesome though, wonder if there is a seat for him in a few years time?

We (by that I mean the whiners and whingers on here) debated this last season I think.
At the end of the day, the fact that Moto2 has a single engine supplier and the engines are sealed is part of the problem. Fundamentally it is not GP racing any longer, it is simply low-volume higher spec production racing.
This means, as Toni Elias said, the bikes are not powerful enough and too even so that the good riders can be upset by not so good riders who go balls out at the start.
And it also means that the Moto2 teams have even less to do on the bikes to make a difference. While this is also true now in MotoGP, at least the engines are different and the assigned engine technicians do their best for each team.
There is absolutely no doubt of the abilities of the top 10-15 Moto2 riders, but as mentioned in the thread last year, circumstances can make some of them look decidedly average.

[Luckylegs]

If I loose...contact the peanut that'll owe me my carton for betting Melandri would get a top 5 (I think it was) finish.

Peanut? LOL

...Fuck me, I just cant believe its as bad as it is. FFS he's not incapable, he showed that in the second half of last year.... Twas actually funny the other day watching and I glanced at the screen and saw MIL running (not last) and thought fuck me he's figured out how to ride the damn thing, right before my brain engaged and realised actually, that's Miller, i'm looking for MEL.

Never mind, there's positives - The racing is fuckin fantastic and you only want steinlager so I'd rather someone else drank that anyway.

:2thumbsup

[Crasherfromwayback]

Peanut? LOL

...
Never mind, there's positives - The racing is fuckin fantastic and you only want steinlager so I'd rather someone else drank that anyway.

:2thumbsup

Lol. For making that bet, most definitely! But for sure, great season so far no matter what happens from now on. And I for one think it'll only get better! Slurp...

[Asher]

No one has seemed to have mentioned the proposed rule changes for 2017-2021 announced at Argentina. Up to 20 races a year and dorna offering a lot more money for satellite and private teams.

[pritch]

No one has seemed to have mentioned the proposed rule changes for 2017-2021 announced at Argentina. Up to 20 races a year and dorna offering a lot more money for satellite and private teams.

Yes, we know about those but they are not as important as the 2016 change which may well drastically alter careers - and lives? :whistle:

[Asher]

But they did mention they will be headed to Austria next year also, not sure if every manufacturer is entitled to a home race?
They also said they are pushing factories to have 2 factory rides and 2 factory support rides, meaning if every manufacturer does just that there wont be any slots left over for any privateer teams, although its a safe bet no one will be wanting an Aprilia satellite bike.

[Shaun Harris]

But they did mention they will be headed to Austria next year also, not sure if every manufacturer is entitled to a home race?
They also said they are pushing factories to have 2 factory rides and 2 factory support rides, meaning if every manufacturer does just that there wont be any slots left over for any privateer teams, although its a safe bet no one will be wanting an Aprilia satellite bike.



Re Read the original post regarding the funding planning for this mate. It WAS the PRIVATEER teams that Dorna will be paying the lease for for the bikes for them to compete with. So there will be privateer teams out there still is my enterpretation of it.

[Asher]

Re Read the original post regarding the funding planning for this mate. It WAS the PRIVATEER teams that Dorna will be paying the lease for for the bikes for them to compete with. So there will be privateer teams out there still is my enterpretation of it.

" Second thing is that we proposed to the 6 manufacturers who have already committed to participate - Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and KTM - that they have the right to participate with 2 bikes and then we pay them x amount of money for these 2 bikes… but they also have the obligation to lease and supply 2 bikes to a satellite team for a maximum agreed price. "

[Shaun Harris]

" Second thing is that we proposed to the 6 manufacturers who have already committed to participate - Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and KTM - that they have the right to participate with 2 bikes and then we pay them x amount of money for these 2 bikes… but they also have the obligation to lease and supply 2 bikes to a satellite team for a maximum agreed price. "




Guess I must have miss read it eh

[Reckless]

Been doing the rounds but Quite Humorous Photoshop for the Rossi fans :)

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[speights_bud]

Apparently if you stop acting like a twat when you're struggling and actually speak with your crew calmly it helps everyone do their job better.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/04/23/bradley38blog-this-is-a-new-bradley-smith/174468

[Crasherfromwayback]

Apparently if you stop acting like a twat when you're struggling and actually speak with your crew calmly it helps everyone do their job better.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/04/23/bradley38blog-this-is-a-new-bradley-smith/174468

Still getting mummy to do his washing eh. Poofta.

[Bender]

That's a good blog because it takes a big man to admit their behaviour has been crap. Good on Bradley because he will (read: already has) find his crew responds well to a more measured approach.

It can't help when their rider comes in, steam pouring from the helmet vents, and gives everyone a serve with "F words" when all they're trying to do is get a good set up.

:angry2::brick:

That blog will be one worth watching because it seems like he is prepared to put real information in there, not the more usual homolgated pap we get.

Nice one Bradley.

:2thumbsup

[Autech]

That's a good blog because it takes a big man to admit their behaviour has been crap. Good on Bradley because he will (read: already has) find his crew responds well to a more measured approach.

It can't help when their rider comes in, steam pouring from the helmet vents, and gives everyone a serve with "F words" when all they're trying to do is get a good set up.

:angry2::brick:

That blog will be one worth watching because it seems like he is prepared to put real information in there, not the more usual homolgated pap we get.

Nice one Bradley.

:2thumbsup

Fantastic read. Is he the English version of Jack Miller, a guy people can actually relate to?

Finishing ahead of Pol must be really great for his confidence!

[Oscar]

Fantastic read. Is he the English version of Jack Miller, a guy people can actually relate to?

Finishing ahead of Pol must be really great for his confidence!

What sort of people can relate to Jack Miller?!
The guy's an unpleasant oaf.

[Autech]

What sort of people can relate to Jack Miller?!
The guy's an unpleasant oaf.

Would depend what side of 30 you are I guess :nya:

[Oscar]

Would depend what side of 30 you are I guess :nya:

He's got a mullet.
I rest my case.

[pritch]

Apparently if you stop acting like a twat when you're struggling and actually speak with your crew calmly it helps everyone do their job better.

I thought this was going to be a Ducati quote from after Stoner left because that's what they said. We shouldn't be too hard on Smith he was a ginja before he went skinhead. Somebody should have a word with him about giving his mum his laundry?

[pritch]

What sort of people can relate to Jack Miller?!
The guy's an unpleasant oaf.

I didn't see his allegedly petulant performance at the end of last season but as mentioned previously I sympathise with his viewpoint. He can be an amusing young guy, and he has the potential to be very fast. We shouldn't expect too much in the way of couth and culture though, he was brought up in Australia after all.

[Asher]

What sort of people can relate to Jack Miller?!
The guy's an unpleasant oaf.

I like the kid.
He may be a bit of a dick but he's a breath of fresh air from the monotony of clean cut, super serious European riders. Wether you like him or not you can't deny he is entertaining, at least in his moto3 races.

[denill]

I like the kid.
He may be a bit of a dick but he's a breath of fresh air from the monotony of clean cut, super serious European riders. Wether you like him or not you can't deny he is entertaining, at least in his moto3 races.

Yes, I have a bit of time for him. I am prepared to cut him some slack for his PI cringe performance last year and am trusting he has learnt from that. (I am sure his mentors have drawn attention to it.) Passion is what is required from any sportsman and Miller has that. ;)

[McWild]

It would be easy to hate on Miller, I have done in the past, but the thing to remember is that he is still pretty young.

A crazy thing about GP racing for me is that a lot of great riders starting so young, and are on camera from like 15 years old onward. You see a huge amount of change in them from the way they look to the way they talk to the way they race.

Marquez, Rossi, Lorenzo, Dovisioso, or just about anyone in 125s through 250s, it's a lot of time for a person to grow up in a pretty critical stage in their lifetime. You spend just about your whole life, in particular your teenage years, living a life where competition and winning come #1. That would be enough to make anyone a little socially and professionally maladjusted.



Plus Miller rips some spec-f**king- tacular wheelies.

[Autech]

He's got a mullet.
I rest my case.

I grew up in Hamilton, such things are an asset.



Marquez, Rossi, Lorenzo, Dovisioso, or just about anyone in 125s through 250s, it's a lot of time for a person to grow up in a pretty critical stage in their lifetime. You spend just about your whole life, in particular your teenage years, living a life where competition and winning come #1. That would be enough to make anyone a little socially and professionally maladjusted.

Plus Miller rips some spec-f**king- tacular wheelies.

The tragic ones are the likes of Scott Redding who grew taller and taller before our eyes, guys a spectacular talent but his size will always let him down against the wee Spaniards.

Miller sure does do a great wheelie. I love his passion, reminds me of Rossi who just loves to be out there racing motorbikes.

[pritch]

Marquez has injured his left hand while training on the dirt. An X Ray showed a fractured and displaced bone in the little finger of his left hand. A titanium plate has been inserted. His competing at Jerez has not been ruled out - or ruled in.

Casey might be staying near a phone just in case there is no Marqez and no Pedrosa?

If you've got a seamless gearbox does the left hand do that much anyway?

[roogazza]

Marquez has injured his left hand while training on the dirt. An X Ray showed a fractured and displaced bone in the little finger of his left hand. A titanium plate has been inserted. His competing at Jerez has not been ruled out - or ruled in.

Casey might be staying near a phone just in case there is no Marqez and no Pedrosa?

If you've got a seamless gearbox does the left hand do that much anyway?

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[Shaun Harris]

I reckon MM will be at the next round come hell or high water

[pritch]

There is now a bit more detail available.

https://motomatters.com/news/2015/04/25/marc_marquez_breaks_little_finger_in_tra.html


Some people seem to think that with a thirty point lead over MM after only three races that the championship is Rossi's to lose. There is one such comment following that article. Three races in to the season would seem to be a bit early to be making any predictions, there's a long way to go.

[pritch]

In case anyone is having a slow Sunday; now for something completely different: a ride on the M1.


http://global.yamaha-motor.com/showroom/yamaha-handling/list/vol11/01.html#_ga=1.58812708.80638760.1430003508

[Shaun Harris]

Some people seem to think that with a thirty point lead over MM after only three races that the championship is Rossi's to lose. There is one such comment following that article. Three races in to the season would seem to be a bit early to be making any predictions, there's a long way to go.




Hell yea mate, long long way to go yet

[denill]

Well that's done. Booked for PI. :clap:

[gonzo_akl]

Hi, looking for a bit of advice from anyone that has been to Misano and Aragon.
Mate and I are doing an European trip and are planning on taking in both of these GPs.
Any advice on best viewing areas/grandstands/where to stay would be appreciated.
The last time I was at Misano Crosby was racing so I'm picking it may have changed somewhat.
cheers

[pritch]

Well that's done. Booked for PI. :clap:

Nice, enjoy. This year there is the possibility that the championship might still be open at that stage.

[pritch]

Surgeon and patient pose for the camera.

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[Crasherfromwayback]

If you've got a seamless gearbox does the left hand do that much anyway?

Lot of changes of direction where you'll be pushing on them thar bars mate.

[pritch]

Lot of changes of direction where you'll be pushing on them thar bars mate.

Some of the riders hold on to the end of the grip with their pinky actually off the bar, apparently Marquez is, or at least was, not one such. That may change? Ah well, he has four days to recover, and then there is the Clinica Mobile.

There is an interview with the surgeon on the MotoGP website. "He won't be 100% fit but (snip) I'm sure he will be able to do well."

The surgeon also says the injury happened when another bike ran over Marquez' finger.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some of the riders hold on to the end of the grip with their pinky actually off the bar, apparently Marquez is, or at least was, not one such. That may change? Ah well, he has four days to recover, and then there is the Clinica Mobile.

There is an interview with the surgeon on the MotoGP website. "He won't be 100% fit but (snip) I'm sure he will be able to do well."

The surgeon also says the injury happened when another bike ran over Marquez' finger.

Yeah but anyone that's had a nasty hand/finger injury will tell you the whole hand hurts to even use it

[Oscar]

Yeah but anyone that's had a nasty hand/finger injury will tell you the whole hand hurts to even use it

Oh yeah, as a former wicket keeper, goalie and current clumsy motorcyclist, I can tell finger injuries hurt like a motherfucker..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh yeah, as a former wicket keeper, goalie and current clumsy motorcyclist, I can tell finger injuries hurt like a motherfucker..

Fuck yeah! I bet as a wicket keeper you got some well nasty ones! Bashing my hands/fingers into trees and peoples faces as a yoof certainly taught me how painful such injuries are.

[Oscar]

Fuck yeah! I bet as a wicket keeper you got some well nasty ones! Bashing my hands/fingers into trees and peoples faces as a yoof certainly taught me how painful such injuries are.

Yeah the diagonal spiral fracture of the thumb was dosey.
Fortunately the invention of bushbars saved more pain - I remember having to pull a half inch splinter out of thefirst joint of my stink finger. The relief when it came out was orgasmic...

[Shaun Harris]

Had pins put into 3 of my finger bones on my left hand, ( Fukin car drivers in my road riding days) and it hurts like fuk, but a top 10 will still be reasonably easy for his talent

[Reckless]

Yeah but anyone that's had a nasty hand/finger injury will tell you the whole hand hurts to even use it

True :) Kudos to him if he gives it a go but he might make more points over the season if he doesn't aggravate it by racing in 4 days??
Sometimes lifes luck goes your way sometimes it doesn't he has a real excuse not to have to win the championship now.
Mind you who knows who's going to fall off over the next few races. Honda must be feeling it with two riders out?
Let him ride I say and bring back Casey that way they'll have two top 10+ riders as a patch up till MM and Pedro are fit.

That just put the ball squarely in Rossi and Dovi's Court at this stage of the season. Love to see him get 10 but that Duc worries me, it looks solid as :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah the diagonal spiral fracture of the thumb was dosey.
Fortunately the invention of bushbars saved more pain - I remember having to pull a half inch splinter out of thefirst joint of my stink finger. The relief when it came out was orgasmic...

LOl. I bet! I thought bark busters seemed like a great idea till a mate of mine that had them fitted went over the bars and snapped his forearm clean in half.

[Crasherfromwayback]

True :) Kudos to him if he gives it a go but he might make more points over the season if he doesn't aggravate it by racing in 4 days??
Sometimes lifes luck goes your way sometimes it doesn't he has a real excuse not to have to win the championship now.
Mind you who knows who's going to fall off over the next few races. Honda must be feeling it with two riders out?
Let him ride I say and bring back Casey that way they'll have two top 10+ riders as a patch up till MM and Pedro are fit.

That just put the ball squarely in Rossi and Dovi's Court at this stage of the season. Love to see him get 10 but that Duc worries me, it looks solid as :yes:

That's the sport of motorcycle racing for ya eh! And as much as I'd love to see Stoner ride/race a GP bike again...until he's done enough practice/training, I'd hate to see it. He belongs at the front not just inside the top ten. Long season though...only a fool would rule MM out this early.

[Reckless]

That's the sport of motorcycle racing for ya eh! And as much as I'd love to see Stoner ride/race a GP bike again...until he's done enough practice/training, I'd hate to see it. He belongs at the front not just inside the top ten. Long season though...only a fool would rule MM out this early.

True and when MM's going well he's still 1/4 to 1/2 Sec faster than anyone else :)

Secondly Stoners placing might be exaggerated by the placings of the likes of Crutchlow/Smith who are having some success with their rides atm.
He should he been doing some serious riding I reckon, not like he's not familiar with the Honda from his testing?
I'm not really a Stoner fan, I don't think he has the passion and he brings a tension to the paddock but I'd love to see him in the mix for his riding ability.
Mind you, he might find it a different atmosphere the way it has been the last couple seasons?
Honda should have given him a go but hindsight's always 20/20 Aye??

[BMWST?]

Had pins put into 3 of my finger bones on my left hand, ( Fukin car drivers in my road riding days) and it hurts like fuk, but a top 5 will still be reasonably easy for his talent

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[pritch]

Marc Márquez: Valentino Rossi was my hero, now it’s a pleasure to fight with him

Marc Marquez
Even on a sleepy morning in Cardedeu, a village near Barcelona, Marc Márquez is on a roll. The MotoGP world champion and Valentino Rossi, his former idol turned rival, are set for one of the sporting stories of the year. A battle between Márquez, who has won the title in both his two completed MotoGP seasons, and the rejuvenated Rossi, a six-times championship winner, is fuelled by brilliance, charisma, controversy and drama.

Márquez finished 35 points clear of Rossi last year, having begun with 10 straight wins, but this season is different. The 22-year-old Spanish sensation trails The Doctor, the 36-year-old Rossi, by 30 points. In three GPs so far, Rossi has won two and Márquez one, with the last race marked by their collision as the young champion crashed on the penultimate lap in Argentina. This Sunday, at the Spanish GP, Márquez and Rossi, who regard each other as kindred spirits, are expected to ramp up the intensity of a simmering duel.

Yet last Saturday, a day after this interview, Márquez fractured the little finger on his left hand while training on a dirt track. Minor surgery followed, with a titanium plate being fixed on to the finger to give him the best opportunity of racing at Jerez. Stressing that his left hand is less important when riding, Márquez remains confident he will be fit enough to race.

In Cardedeu, Márquez jumps off a ridiculously tiny 100cc bike and removes his gloves and helmet. He runs a hand through his hair, to ensure he still looks cool, and grins at the admirers rushing towards him. Márquez then flips through a countless series of selfies with smitten girls and middle-aged men.

Some of the men have won a competition to share a karting track with their hero. Márquez starts each “race” near the back and flick-flacks his small bike through the field until he shares the lead with the best amateur, always allowing an ordinary man to take the chequered flag. Even the most grizzled spectators, old bikers who need a stick to walk rather than being allowed on a motorbike, are as besotted as the girls pleading for a photograph. Márquez slips into the same routine every time, wrapping an arm around his latest fan, using his other hand to offer a thumbs-up while flashing a smile. When supporters behind a fence chant his name, Márquez runs across to them. He climbs the fence and leans over so his face can beam into yet more mobiles.

Finally, we retreat to a roof terrace. Márquez grins again when I suggest that, deep down, he must feel numbed by all the fevered strangers and selfies. He looks like he has stepped out of a boy band but there is an intelligent agility to his reply. “Of course the worst place for the most attention, and the best place too, because you feel the support, is in Spain. It’s very strong. Very intense. You also get it in Italy, France, Argentina. If you have the supporters it means you are racing fast. I understand.”

Márquez has been called “arrogant” and “insufferable” for he is young, rich and outrageously gifted. Yet he applies himself to this interview with charm and thoughtfulness. He also does not sidestep the fact some people in Spain, where MotoGP is second only to football, have turned against him, accusing him of tax-avoidance. Their disdain has unsettled Márquez.

Rossi has been even more feted in Italy and yet he was also stung by criticism and huge demands for unpaid tax at the height of his celebrity. But before we reach this more complicated terrain Márquez remembers the innocent bond that first linked him to Rossi.

Marc Márquez became the youngest ever MotoGP world champion when he won the 2013 title aged just 20.
Marc Márquez became the youngest ever MotoGP world champion when he won the 2013 title aged just 20. Photograph: Heino Kalis/Reuters
“When I was a small boy I had many Valentino Rossi motorbike models,” Márquez says. “I was a big fan. I like the way he rides the bike, the way he is off the bike too. Valentino was my reference, my hero and it is now a pleasure to fight with him.”

Márquez and Rossi relish “the fight” as much as the thrill of racing. “Definitely,” Márquez says, “Valentino and me have a similar mentality. When you have a fight you enjoy the race. One of the most beautiful things on the bike is the overtaking and we both like that – and winning. That’s why this season is very interesting because Valentino [on a Yamaha] is at a good level and I will come back strong [on his previously dominant Repsol Honda]. The Ducatis are also there.”

The depth of Márquez’s talent is obvious but sceptics have wondered if his impudent romp through MotoGP had been due more to Honda’s overwhelming superiority. Now Yamaha have closed the gap, Márquez will be tested. In Argentina he was put under immense pressure by the Italian wizard who devoured Márquez’s initial lead. They swapped positions a couple of times and then, as Rossi moved to the right to set himself up for a slide to the left, Márquez misjudged the hairpin. He hit Rossi’s rear and tumbled across the track at speed – leaving his foe a clear winner.

“We took a different strategy using soft tyres,” Márquez shrugs, acknowledging his fault. “For some reason our bike was not using the hard tyres well. With the hard tyre it might only be possible to finish on the podium but my thinking does not change. I want to win. So we go with the softer one. It was working with two laps to go … but Valentino was faster at the end. I still tried to beat him.”

Márquez spreads his hands and smiles, like a kid caught out in a prank. “My mentality is always to win. I never think, ‘OK I might want to finish second.’ But I can improve and maybe in the race I can adjust better.”

This is the closest Márquez comes to admitting that, sometimes, a podium finish is preferable to a devilish tilt at an unlikely victory. He is brilliant enough to conjure up such wins but a renewed Rossi presents a new challenge. Will Márquez, fifth in the championship, feel under increased pressure at Jerez?

One of the most beautiful things on the bike is the overtaking and we both like that – and winning
Marc Márquez
“In one way I feel less pressure. I am 30 points behind so now the only thing I can do is improve and win. It’s the same if you are 30 or 80 points behind. You just have to win.”

There must be a chance the warmth between him and Rossi will turn icy as the season tightens? “I don’t think so,” Márquez says. “I definitely hope not. But of course if we’re fighting for the championship at the end then the relationship can have more tension. But last year I went to visit Valentino on his ranch. It’s good between us.”

His interaction with other riders can be spikier. A return to Jerez is a reminder of how, in his first Spanish GP, he collided with Jorge Lorenzo on the turn named after his countryman. Márquez was on his way to becoming the youngest MotoGP world champion. Lorenzo, who won the title in 2010 and 2012, is five years older than Márquez. He has not enjoyed racing the risk-taking tyro. Does Lorenzo actually dislike him?

“We were fighting for the championship and the tension was there,” Márquez admits. “He’s not like a friend. We don’t go for dinner or a drink. We do not have a very good relationship. But it’s OK, it’s professional.”

The last time Márquez was stretched was in 2011. In his first Moto2 season there was parity between the bikes and he lost the title by one point. “It was tough but you have to remember that after six races I was 83 points behind and I came back strong. Then I have a bad crash in Malaysia. It was a stupid crash on the first practice day. We arrive in one corner and it was the only wet part of the track. Normally they move the flags – but we four riders crash.

“I have five months with double vision. That was difficult because the doctors keep saying, ‘We are trying to manage this but we’re not sure you can continue with your career.’ I was worried and the feeling was strange. There was no pain. But every time you open your eyes you have double vision. We take a risk and have the operation. It worked well.”

Márquez rides a MotoGP bike like no one else. Mat Oxley, the motorsport journalist, has written eloquently about the way Márquez has his “bike jumping around, front and rear tyres leaving smears of rubber on the Tarmac, like a Morse code SOS. Meanwhile he is perched on top, muscles tensing and relaxing as he counteracts the forces by adjusting pressure through hands, feet and backside, all the while twitching his upper body this way and that to transfer load from one tyre to the other. It’s a delicate yet vicious show – Márquez is somewhere between ballet dancer and wrestler.”

Dani Pedrosa, his injured team-mate, suggests, “Marc always rides at the limit – it seems like he’s crashing all the time but he’s not crashing.”

Márquez uses his elbows as much as his knees to maintain his blurring balance. It was such a startling technique on the track he had to have special sliders made out of magnesium rather than plastic to strap to his elbows. “I shocked lots of people,” he says. “Before me no one use their elbows. Now everyone does. It’s incredible. You can go to a circuit like this and see children using their elbows. Maybe in seven years some kid will use their shoulder or helmet! If I’m enjoying racing the balance comes easily.”

He did not enjoy the disquiet last year when 50,000 people signed a petition urging his sponsors to withdraw after it was alleged he had moved to Andorra to avoid paying tax in austerity-ridden Spain. “I was hurt and for me the worst was people speaking without the right information. They imagine bad things about me but the only thing I did was buy a house and make the correct steps. The last four years I go to Andorra for winter conditioning. I used to stay in a hotel but now I buy a house. That’s all.”

So there is no truth in the story he is now domiciled in Andorra? “No, no. I am still living in Spain. That has not changed. I am still paying my taxes. Of course you never know in the future. If you asked me five years ago I could not imagine the life I have now.”

This might leave space for Márquez to move – just as other riders live in tax-friendly Switzerland but the experience was sufficiently scarring for Márquez to shed tears at a press conference. “I was also thinking about the double vision. It was the pressure of the moment but when I start thinking about my injury it was too much. I’m still learning on the track but also in life. We must remember I am only 22. I need to learn many things about life.”

He has learnt that assumptions and judgments will be made by people who have never met him. “Sometimes you would like it to be different but I still love this life. It was my dream when I was young. The circuit is what I expected but you don’t expect the life outside. I still keep the same friends but it’s impossible not to change your life.”

Márquez smiles with boyish charm; but he answers instantly when asked if he expects to win a third successive championship ahead of Rossi. “Of course,” he says before adding some more telling words. “I will believe that until the points say it is impossible. But Valentino will be very determined. He knows this could be his last chance. I will fight with him right to the end.”

[roogazza]

Marquez And Pedrosa To Try To Ride At Jerez?
Mon, 2015-04-27 12:28
It appears that both Marc Marquez and Dani Pedrosa will attempt to ride at Jerez this weekend. Dani Pedrosa will get his first chance to ride a MotoGP bike after having radical surgery to cure a persistent arm pump problem, while Marc Marquez has just had surgery to plate a broken proximal phalanx in the little finger of his left hand. Speaking to the Italian website GPOne.com, HRC Team Principal Livio Suppo said that he expected both riders to be present at Jerez, and to test their fitness during practice on Friday.

ps last minute thought,anybody been to Misano and can recommend nearby hotels they've stayed in ?

[pritch]

Pedrosa says he will not be at Jerez, he is not ready. Aoyama who will be there for Monday's testing will ride. Unless Honda or Stoner change their mind. At least Stoner knows Jerez, unlike CotA or Argentina.

[leenok]

Hi, does anyone know the Sky times for this weekend, I can't seem to find it on the Sky website?

Cheers

Lee

[puddytat]

Hi, does anyone know the Sky times for this weekend, I can't seem to find it on the Sky website?

Cheers

Lee

I think it clashes with the Indian cricket league, so isn't being shown 'till next Thursday....

[roogazza]

Ch 55. 8.45pm 3 May. Jerez......... :drool: :cool:

oh and BSB Monday night late,midnight or just after.

That's looking at the Skywatch mag , something I hardly ever bother with. (I tend to rely on the Elect program Sky button.)

[steveyb]

Lord help all you SKY subscribers when the Darts world series starts up in Auckland this year....

[pritch]

Hi, does anyone know the Sky times for this weekend, I can't seem to find it on the Sky website?

Cheers

Lee

If you go to the SKY TV Guide on the web and search "Moto GP" - with a space - you will find what they have. Whatever that is, I'm still working it out.

A search for "MotoGP" - no space - will give a "no results" answer.

[BMWST?]

Lord help all you SKY subscribers when the Darts world series starts up in Auckland this year....
no worries the have so many sport channels now,wont miss it

[BMWST?]

Hi, does anyone know the Sky times for this weekend, I can't seem to find it on the Sky website?

Cheers

Lee
sky sport 6(pop up chanel) saturday 2 may 10 25 pm Qualifying

sky sport 6 Sunday 8 pm Race.

There is also something showing up at 6 am on saturday morning...more qualifying?

http://www.skytv.co.nz/tv-guide-search.aspx?category=Programs&search=moto%20gp

[pritch]

There is also something showing up at 6 am on saturday morning...more qualifying?



Who knows? I took a best guess and set the box to record. The information SKY offer is not very clear but I'm not as concerned as I otherwise might have been, I have a plan B, I can watch in bed on the iPad.

[Badjelly]

If you go to the SKY TV Guide on the web and search "Moto GP" - with a space - you will find what they have. Whatever that is, I'm still working it out. A search for "MotoGP" - no space - will give a "no results" answer.

How stupid is that? Stupid for not being able to spell MotoGP correctly and stupider for having such a fussy, lame search engine. But the bit I really hate is the way they move the bike racing to the pop-up channels, that we second-class Vodafone cable subscribers can't see.

[Oscar]

I think it clashes with the Indian cricket league, so isn't being shown 'till next Thursday....

As long as it don't clash with the Darts...

[Reckless]

DP's out for this one

Off Moto GP or is that MotoGP LMAO

Repsol Honda's Dani Pedrosa will miss the Spanish GP in Jerez to allow him to recover from his arm-pump surgery, and will return at Le Mans.
Pedrosa underwent surgery for his arm-pump problem after the Qatar GP, missing the races Austin and Argentina. In the operation, performed on the 3rd April, doctors completely removed the layer of fascia – the casing around the muscle that gives it form and shape – which was causing problems for Dani. After three weeks of recovery Dani is feeling an improvement but together with doctors has decided to rest until Le Mans – on 17th May – to give his arm more time to heal. Hiroshi Aoyama will replace Dani for the third race in a row.

Dani Pedrosa:
“I really hoped to return in Jerez, but after riding a supermotard bike yesterday, we decided it’s not the best option. By competing in an entire race weekend we risk damaging the arm further and slowing down the healing process and the last thing I want to do is create a bigger problem. I’m missing my team and can’t wait to come back in Le Mans. Thank you all for all your kind messages, they give me strength in these tough times.”

[denill]

<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/218167/1/marc-marquez-confirmed-for-jerez.html>But Marc Will Be Back:</A>

[Erelyes]

Aoyama again? 5 points from 2 races so far, let's hope he can point the thing into the top 10 this time.

[Mental Trousers]

Aoyama again? 5 points from 2 races so far, let's hope he can point the thing into the top 10 this time.

His job is to put an HRC bike on the start grid so they fulfill their contractual obligations with Dorna and then to finish without breaking the bike (getting taken out at the last corner wasn't his fault) or using an engine. They're not going to risk an all important engine on one off results.

[Oscar]

His job is to put an HRC bike on the start grid so they fulfill their contractual obligations with Dorna and then to finish without breaking the bike (getting taken out at the last corner wasn't his fault) or using an engine. They're not going to risk an all important engine on one off results.

Yeah, I bet that thing's got all the performance settings dialled in at "nana".

[Erelyes]

Yeah, I bet that thing's got all the performance settings dialled in at "nana".

Perhaps. Still, Aoyama set top speed during the COTA race. I wonder how much of it is tuning, how much of it is Aoyama riding under his ability to make sure it's bought home, and how much of it is Aoyama just not being as fast as most of the grid.

No argument that he's not supposed to break anything, but surely he also has scoring points for the team as a secondary objective. Repsol Honda currently have 51 pts, Ducati 100, Movistar Yamaha 103... Or is the manufacturer's more important than the team's?

So, if (perish the thought) one of the factory Yamaha / Ducati riders did themselves a mischief, who would fill in for them?

[Reckless]

So, if (perish the thought) one of the factory Yamaha / Ducati riders did themselves a mischief, who would fill in for them?

Stoner of coarse :devil2:

[McWild]

Perhaps. Still, Aoyama set top speed during the COTA race. I wonder how much of it is tuning, how much of it is Aoyama riding under his ability to make sure it's bought home, and how much of it is Aoyama just not being as fast as most of the grid.

No argument that he's not supposed to break anything, but surely he also has scoring points for the team as a secondary objective. Repsol Honda currently have 51 pts, Ducati 100, Movistar Yamaha 103... Or is the manufacturer's more important than the team's?

So, if (perish the thought) one of the factory Yamaha / Ducati riders did themselves a mischief, who would fill in for them?

Nakasuga for Yamaha. Pirro for Ducati. Both of them test riders with a proven ability to get the bike home, and presumably give good testing feedback.

If HRC have chosen AoH to develop and ride their $XX,XXX,XXX motorcycle it's probably for a good reason. To venture a guess I'd say it's because he's fluent in Japanese and gives the HRC Japan workforce invaluable feedback about how their crazy long term experiment in making a bike go fast is going. Just as Nakasuga (JAP) tests for Yamaha (JAP) and Pirro (ITA) tests for Ducati (ITA). Sure Honda uses Stoner on a rare occasion and Suzuki used RdP for a little bit. But the guys doing the legwork aren't necessarily the most famous or most naturally talented.

Also I think manufacturer's is usually more important, for example look at the boosts they've suddenly given Crutchlow and Redding, and gave to Simoncelli and to Bradl.

[speights_bud]

I would have thought that getting a rider up there to block other manufacturers riders from getting points would also be on the cards.

If Stoner could manage to keep a few points from Lorenzo that wouldn't be a bad thing for Honda would it? Unless the satellite guys would be put at a disadvantage points wise

[Danger Dave]

Is the engine allocation in MotoGP per bike or per rider? as i know in WSBK that if a substitute rider competes in at least 3 events then they get their own allocation of engines that doesn't eat into the main riders allocation.

[carbonhed]

I like the look of Rins in Moto2.

[Danger Dave]

Is the engine allocation in MotoGP per bike or per rider? as i know in WSBK that if a substitute rider competes in at least 3 events then they get their own allocation of engines that doesn't eat into the main riders allocation.

Just answered my own question haha

Rule 2.4.3.3 1 C
Should a rider be replaced for any reason, the replacement rider
will be deemed to be the original rider for purposes of engine
allocation

[puddytat]

I like the look of Rins in Moto2.

He's certainly had a better start to the season than Alex Marques...& Rabat.
Doin real good in his rookie season.

[roogazza]

Nakasuga for Yamaha. Pirro for Ducati. Both of them test riders with a proven ability to get the bike home, and presumably give good testing feedback.

If HRC have chosen AoH to develop and ride their $XX,XXX,XXX motorcycle it's probably for a good reason. To venture a guess I'd say it's because he's fluent in Japanese and gives the HRC Japan workforce invaluable feedback about how their crazy long term experiment in making a bike go fast is going. Just as Nakasuga (JAP) tests for Yamaha (JAP) and Pirro (ITA) tests for Ducati (ITA). Sure Honda uses Stoner on a rare occasion and Suzuki used RdP for a little bit. But the guys doing the legwork aren't necessarily the most famous or most naturally talented.

Yeah I'd go with that McWild.
There's a lot more to it than looking for a winner or placegetter to fill in .
Wouldn't mind seeing how Ariana is nowdays tho...:shifty:

[carbonhed]

Looked fairly "wincey" when Marquez took his left glove off after FP2. Wonder what it's going to be like tomorrow?

[BMWST?]

Looked fairly "wincey" when Marquez took his left glove off after FP2. Wonder what it's going to be like tomorrow?
i would venture a guess the glove will stay on for fp4 q2 q1

[carbonhed]

i would venture a guess the glove will stay on for fp4 q2 q1

I guess all the soft cocks (like me) have been weeded out loooong before they get up to this stage... still blows me away.

[roogazza]

I guess all the soft cocks (like me) have been weeded out loooong before they get up to this stage... still blows me away.
I once had a special mate that could do that (Nev Hiscock).I've seen him slide along with the clutch in revving the motor to keep it going !
Me, after a decent one, would rather crawl under a rock till I felt better !!!!

[BMWST?]

I guess all the soft cocks (like me) have been weeded out loooong before they get up to this stage... still blows me away.
i was wrong,he did take the glove of(and put it on again).He crashed,and the slomo shows him neatly releasing the bike holding his left hand in the air then cradling it it with his righ hand whilst sliding on his bum into the gravel.At real soeed it happens so fast you hardly see it.!These guys have the reflexes and mind speed that we can only dream of.Its part of the job i guess when you are racing and crashing mototcycles.!

[ellipsis]

I just read that Geoff Duke passed away in the last few hours. 6 times World Champ. a few wins on the Island. RIP Geoff.

[speights_bud]

...These guys have the reflexes and mind speed that we can only dream of.Its part of the job i guess when you are racing and crashing mototcycles.!

I've always been a firm believer that there are 2 types of racers.

Type 1 give up when it starts going wrong and just let it fall, then typically walk away throwing a tantrum abandoning the bike in the gravel.

Type 2 refuse to give it up at all costs, it comes natural to hang on to the end. They usually then scramble to try get the bike back up and keep going, often helping the marshals to stand it up.

I noticed this first at club level, especially with the young riders.

It's not about outright talent, it just comes by instinct to keep trying to the last moment. These type are the ones you are proud to watch developing as a rider. They are the ones who are passionate and really strive to improve themselves. They have to (at the very least help) spin the spanners and bust their ass at work after school to pay for it.

Those who have everything handed to them on a platter generally tend to be the first type. They often dont give a shit because they didn't have to spend all their own $$ to get where they are.

[Erelyes]

Lozenge $3 for a win.
Pol Asparagus $21.00 for a top 3.
Iannone $3.50 for a top 3.

[carbonhed]

Great to see Lorenzo fast and pissed off.... welcome back dude.

Pol Espargaro is beginning to annoy me resorting to drafting to get a time... little greaseball.

[GD66]

What would you suggest when a few tenths can mean a couple of grid spots ?

Message to the rider in front doing the moaning : if it pisses you off, pull away !

[haydes55]

Moto3 on now!!! Yay MySky at my new flat.

[speights_bud]

Yep, suck it up if you don't like being followed. The kids are relying on drafting in moto3 and it's not about to end.

[speights_bud]

FFS, I can stream YouTube in HD, but the Gp will barely run.

Speed test is good (11mb/s down, 22ping), I can even pull YT in HD while the Gp is on (well trying). It's got to be at Dorna's end.

Been having problems with it the last few weeks, used to watch in 720p, no problems, same hardware, same connection.

Also noticed lots of skipping backward a second or 2 in the video feed. Not just watching live either.

[Cam_Valk]

MotoGP Videopass is fine on my end of things. Running 720p since WUP.

Im in Welly, with Snap internet on naked VDSL

[speights_bud]

I've pegged it back to 360p, seemed to stop the skipping, probably it jumping between qualities. Option 2 for video feed just doesn't work at all.

We are with NOW broadband, waiting for the fibre they've laid to be hooked up at the end of the month. Hopefully I don't break anything before then...

[ellipsis]

...my woes on it all are over...I grab it the next morning and watch it when I get home...I work on my own which makes it easier, no one to spill the beans and National Radio are a pretty safe bet on hearing nothing also...takes the late hours and stressing about it out of frame...

[haydes55]

Quatararo (SPL?) that last corner was a tad scary.

[speights_bud]

That could have ended very badly.
Binder did well, played the points game and won.


I bet the fucker who designed that corner laughs his head off every time.

[carbonhed]

What would you suggest when a few tenths can mean a couple of grid spots ?

Message to the rider in front doing the moaning : if it pisses you off, pull away !

On that bike? I think he should try growing a pair and set his own time. He's with the big boys now.

What a pathetic fucking attitude.

[pritch]

Different riders feel differently about the tows. Stoner used to piss and moan and call Barbera and co "caravans". Marquez will actually offer the Ducati riders and others a tow so as to put them between himself and Lorenzo, Rossi & Pedro on the grid.

[p.dath]

FFS, I can stream YouTube in HD, but the Gp will barely run.

Speed test is good (11mb/s down, 22ping), I can even pull YT in HD while the Gp is on (well trying). It's got to be at Dorna's end.

Been having problems with it the last few weeks, used to watch in 720p, no problems, same hardware, same connection.

Also noticed lots of skipping backward a second or 2 in the video feed. Not just watching live either.

I watch WorldSBK, and it probably uses the same system knowing how much the rest of the two brands share. I started off being able to watch it no problems. Now I pretty much can't watch it in the evening after 7pm.

In worldsbk case, they use a CDN network owned by Level 3. Level 3 has a video node in Sydney - but it gets broadcast out of the US. I tried raising a ticket with them, but got nothing sensible back. To use the CDN (and other AsiaPac) nodes the customer has to pay to enable the region. I'm guessing Dorna has not done this, hence why our video has to get supplied from the US, and why we have trouble watching it at peak times.

[short shins]

I just read that Geoff Duke passed away in the last few hours. 6 times World Champ. a few wins on the Island. RIP Geoff.

I doubt anybody here would have even heard of him...
Made it to 92
We lost Derek Minter (83 years young ) a couple of months ago as well
great blokes

[imdying]

I doubt anybody here would have even heard of him...
Made it to 92Yeah bro he has the video store :second:

[short shins]

Yeah bro he has the video store :second:

Hey you kids get off my lawn.

[pritch]

I doubt anybody here would have even heard of him...


Speak for yourself. He was before my time, but not by much.

[pritch]

When men were men and could even start their own bike - if they were lucky...

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/geoff-duke-does-it-again

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/geoff-duke-wins-again


Run off? Wot run off?


If you wish to see more like this, for Duke or others, there's heaps here: http://www.britishpathe.com

Just use the search field at the top of the page.

[denill]

Speak for yourself. He was before my time, but not by much.

Followed his exploits in the British mags. He was the master in his era by whom the others were measured. Like Ago, KR and now MM. Wonder what he thought of the latter's style? GD was in perfect symmetry with the bike. Call me old fashioned but I think that is still 'poetry in motion'.

[carbonhed]

Iannone engaged the "wet map" instead of launch control on the start line :facepalm: These machines may be getting too complicated. Seems like every race somebody screws it up. Crutchlow managed to punch a button twice instead of once and had some issues.

Pol's major achievement was to hold up fellow Yamaha rider Rossi just enough to ruin his race and spoil what might have been another entertaining battle with MM. Thanks muchly.

Redding must be in despair. Lost in the setup wilderness.

Shame both Ducati's scored electronic own goals. Would have been much more entertaining race with them running in the top five or six.

Jorge crushingly on it.

[rackbongsen0991]

chúc cả nhà ngày mới tốt lành nhé

[GD66]

I've always maintained that.

[Erelyes]

Holy shitballs, WhoreHey just obliterated the rest of the pack. Well done that man.

This season is getting really interesting. MM has proved that his injury is no obstacle, he now has 2 weeks to get it A OK.

Was a bit disappointed to see Dovi run it through the litter, doesn't do his (admittedly slim) chances of a championship any favours. He did well from the back though.

Aoyama went from bad to worse, he was an ass hair away from scoring one (1) point when he smashed the bike to pieces, and very nearly himself too. :crybaby:

HRC seems to be sticking to this 'steady as she goes, follow the plan' policy but their constructor's chances are slipping fast, and I wonder if at the end of the season they'll be wondering what if. Maybe market research shows that a championship rider sells more bikes than a constructor's title. :corn:

[pritch]

Holy shitballs, WhoreHey just obliterated the rest of the pack. Well done that man.

Maybe market research shows that a championship rider sells more bikes than a constructor's title. :corn:

Yeah apparently George took 20 seconds off the race record.

It'd probably be difficult to find anyone outside the factories (and their dealers?) who gave a shit about the manufacturers title. The riders' title is the only one that really interests me.

[Autech]

Quatararo (SPL?) that last corner was a tad scary.

I think he may have kicked it down one too many gears, either top riding skills or luck (or both) kept him from clearing both the other boys out. Yet another fantastic Moto3 race to watch :)


Iannone engaged the "wet map" instead of launch control on the start line :facepalm: These machines may be getting too complicated. Seems like every race somebody screws it up. Crutchlow managed to punch a button twice instead of once and had some issues.

Pol's major achievement was to hold up fellow Yamaha rider Rossi just enough to ruin his race and spoil what might have been another entertaining battle with MM. Thanks muchly.

Redding must be in despair. Lost in the setup wilderness.

Shame both Ducati's scored electronic own goals. Would have been much more entertaining race with them running in the top five or six.

Jorge crushingly on it.

Eeeyaaanooneee must have been properly pissed off with that mistake. I did notice at the end that Melandri managed to beat Miller to the line, at this rate he will have a top ten by the end of the season for sure :banana:

Motogp race was properly boring, shame Rossi couldn't get close enough to knock Marquez off again, that would have been hilarious!

[Shaun Harris]

VALENTINO ROSSI

This testing day was positive. We didn?t have many things to try, just some small detail of set up. We focused on improving the bike compared to yesterday and I am very happy because we could also improve the time we did in qualifying.


Very Cool. Rossi never goes fast fast in testing, and yet he went faster than his qualify time already in testing. That looks good for the future to me

[Reckless]

Race was good but we've been spoilt by the drama of the first races LOL

Testing round up off the GP site

Movistar Yamaha’s Jorge Lorenzo ended the official test at Jerez on top after dominating the Spanish GP over the weekend.
It was cloudy but warm for the first official mid-season MotoGP™ test on Monday in Jerez and Movistar Yamaha’s Jorge Lorenzo, who had dominated proceedings over the race weekend, ended the day once more on top of the timesheets recording a 1’38.516 to celebrate his 28th birthday.

His teammate Valentino Rossi was only four-hundredths of a second further back in second, as he set his best time of the weekend. The team admitted they did not have any major updates to test, with both riders focusing more on the setup of their bikes, and completing 52 and 66 laps respectively.

CWM LCR Honda’s Cal Crutchlow (+0.306s) followed up his fourth during the race in Jerez by finishing third in the test, as he tried out some new suspension parts and worked on the electronics package on his RC213V as he put in 64 laps.

Team Suzuki Ecstar Aleix Espargaro (+0.382s) completed 63 laps and was 4th fastest as he used the test to try and find out if they had solved the chatter issue which had affected the bike at the three previous races. Chatter can be caused by excess grip, so the team wanted to know if they had fix the problem, or if it was simply down to slippery nature of the Jerez track.

Repsol Honda’s Marc Marquez only completed 31 laps as he tried out a new swingarm for his Repsol Honda team, ending the day in 5th, 0.460 seconds behind Lorenzo as he protected his broken finger from any more damage.

Monster Yamaha Tech 3’s Bradley Smith completed the top six, 0.831s back from Lorenzo, beating his time from Qualifying in the process. The Brit put in 41 laps as he finished three-tenths ahead of his teammate Pol Espargaro.

A number of the Open class teams made use of the extra track time to work on the setup of their Magneti Marelli electronics package, while Avintia Racing’s Hector Barbera had some new parts to test to effectively turn his Open GP14 into the 14.1 Danilo Petrucci rides.

Aprilia Racing Team Gresini debuted their full seamless shift gearbox at the test with Alvaro Bautista, while Marco Melandri had a new swingarm and chassis to test. Bautista made dramatic progress to end the day in 11th 1.2s behind Lorenzo, while Melandri finished last in 22nd.


Pos Rider Team Fastest lap Lead. Gap Prev. Gap Laps Last lap
1 LORENZO, Jorge Movistar Yamaha MotoGP 1:38.508 49 / 52
2 ROSSI, Valentino Movistar Yamaha MotoGP 1:38.550 0.042 0.042 60 / 66
3 CRUTCHLOW, Cal CWM LCR Honda 1:38.814 0.306 0.264 29 / 64
4 ESPARGARO, Aleix Team Suzuki ECSTAR 1:38.890 0.382 0.076 22 / 63
5 MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda Team 1:38.968 0.460 0.078 4 / 31
6 SMITH, Bradley Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1:39.339 0.831 0.371 41 / 41
7 HERNANDEZ, Yonny Pramac Racing 1:39.357 0.849 0.018 54 / 56
8 REDDING, Scott EG 0.0 Marc VDS 1:39.370 0.862 0.013 104 / 105
9 VIÑALES, Maverick Team Suzuki ECSTAR 1:39.475 0.967 0.105 74 / 79
10 ESPARGARO, Pol Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1:39.654 1.146 0.179 6 / 45
11 BAUTISTA, Alvaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini 1:39.766 1.258 0.112 47 / 53
12 BRADL, Stefan Athina Forward Racing 1:39.887 1.379 0.121 38 / 52
13 PETRUCCI, Danilo Pramac Racing 1:39.892 1.384 0.005 55 / 60
14 HAYDEN, Nicky Aspar MotoGP Team 1:39.909 1.401 0.017 65 / 73
15 LAVERTY, Eugene Aspar MotoGP Team 1:40.101 1.593 0.192 18 / 73
16 BAZ, Loris Athina Forward Racing 1:40.186 1.678 0.085 53 / 59
17 MILLER, Jack CWM LCR Honda 1:40.248 1.740 0.062 33 / 64
18 BARBERA, Hector Avintia Racing 1:40.260 1.752 0.012 29 / 52
19 AOYAMA, Hiroshi Repsol Honda Team 1:40.342 1.834 0.082 28 / 60
20 ABRAHAM, Karel AB Motoracing 1:40.654 2.146 0.312 15 / 63
21 DI MEGLIO, Mike Avintia Racing 1:41.085 2.577 0.431 12 / 62
22 MELANDRI, Marco Aprilia Racing Team Gresini 1:41.825 3.317 0.740 12 / 19

[pritch]

11 BAUTISTA, Alvaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini

22 MELANDRI, Marco Aprilia Racing Team Gresini

The info we have available suggests that Mr Melandri is not enjoying himself. Perhaps Aprilia should do what Ducati did and refer him to a psychologist?
Sad really, I watched him win at Phillip Island; he is better than this.

[Shaun Harris]

Redding is deff growing on the big bikes now

[george formby]

I think he may have kicked it down one too many gears, either top riding skills or luck (or both) kept him from clearing both the other boys out. Yet another fantastic Moto3 race to watch :)




Yup. Had me off me seat at the end. Must admit to waving the flag for Kent which made it especially exciting. I watched the slow mo replay a few times and the riders ability to move without getting fixated on the loose unit is amazing.

[Reckless]

Even the best can do the Dumbest things under the high pressure of a race start.
We've all been there I feel for him.

Ducati Team's Andrea Iannone finished in sixth after selecting the wrong mapping for his bike on the starting grid in Jerez.
Iannone, who started from the front row after qualifying third on the grid on Saturday, inserted the ‘wet’ mapping by mistake a few seconds before the start, and as a result his race performance was undermined as the electronic management of his Desmosedici GP15 did not function optimally.

In spite of this handicap, the Italian then produced a good run to the flag, recovering well after a bad start to move up from eleventh to sixth, and he finished just four-tenths away from Pol Espargaro in fifth place.

Andrea Iannone:
“For sure today’s race was very difficult for me, because I made an error that cost me very dear, one that I should have avoided. Unfortunately at the start I switched on the mapping for wet conditions instead of launch control, and as a result had to do the whole race with ‘wet’ set-up because the procedure to return to dry settings is very complicated. I tried to get the best result possible in these conditions, but we could certainly have scored a better result here at Jerez and so I feel very sorry for my team, which worked really well this weekend. In any case we can’t make any excuses, and starting from Le Mans I will try and make up for this weekend with all the guys in my team and Ducati by scoring some good results in the next few races.”


Secondly I bet Rossi wished they had have found the setting for the race they found in testing the day after ???

[Badjelly]

The info we have available suggests that Mr Melandri is not enjoying himself. Perhaps Aprilia should do what Ducati did and refer him to a psychologist?

Yeah, that worked well for Ducati ;)

[roogazza]

Redding is deff growing on the big bikes now

Yes ,I'm keen to see him click and sort CC and BS on a regular basis.
Last year he was the talk of the pits with his size and going to the Motogp class.

[Shaun Harris]

Yes ,I'm keen to see him click and sort CC and BS on a regular basis.
Last year he was the talk of the pits with his size and going to the Motogp class.


He has it for sure ( Or as far as I am concerned anyway) I really like CC, as I like the working class man making it up there

[GD66]

At least he has finished 7-7-3-4, which means so far so good in that he appears to have stopped pitching it up the road. He's always had quite good pace, if he can stay aboard it will be something of a breakthrough but much better all round for results and getting out of the sack in the morning. In saying that he is bloody fit and bounces well. Hopefully this year we will see what he can do with a prolonged effort.

[carbonhed]

At least he has finished 7-7-3-4, which means so far so good in that he appears to have stopped pitching it up the road. He's always had quite good pace, if he can stay aboard it will be something of a breakthrough but much better all round for results and getting out of the sack in the morning. In saying that he is bloody fit and bounces well. Hopefully this year we will see what he can do with a prolonged effort.

He does seem to have found that sweet spot of being quick without throwing it down the road repeatedly. Plus that run of results has come despite what have been very lacklustre qualifyings for him. If he can put it all together one weekend it could be interesting.

[denill]

Honda would be mindful that he is the 2nd best Honda at the moment - when it comes to handing out the latest goodies. :msn-wink:

[pritch]

Assuming we are still talking about Redding. Honda have gone to the trouble of giving him a bigger frame. He was tending to run out of adjustment being way bigger than the Spanish midgets. Can't remember where I read that, but this from Crash.net covers it.


"Marc VDS has confirmed that Scott Redding will receive a chassis upgrade for his RC213V at this weekend's Spanish MotoGP.

Providing an improvement in braking and corner entry, the new parts were first used by the factory Repsol team in winter testing, then made available to LCR Honda's Cal Crutchlow from Austin.

“The chassis has a different seat mounting position. In Sepang II we found something better in this area so therefore we started to make this chassis for Cal and Scott [Redding],” HRC vice president Shuhei Nakamoto said in Texas.

“Cal is the same [size] as the Factory [riders], but Scott is bigger so he needs another modification. His chassis is a little bit bigger. We need more time. So Cal received here and Scott will receive at Jerez.”

That has now been confirmed by the Marc VDS squad, with Redding eager to try the new developments.

“We will receive updated chassis parts in Jerez, so this should help us make the next step, but we also return to Europe with more experience of the bike and a clear direction in which to go in with regards to set up,” Redding said.

The #45, who has tried stiffening the front-end of his Honda in search of better cornering performance, added:

“The priority is to improve my feeling from the front, to give me more confidence. We've made a lot of progress in this area since the start of the season and we just need to continue in the same way. The goal for Jerez is simply to carry on improving and to try and close the gap to the guys at the front.”

Redding took a season-best ninth last time out in Argentina. "

[Reckless]

Now, finally, I can tell you that I will be in Le Mans this weekend…
In his official blog for repsol.com Dani Pedrosa announces his return to racing in Le Mans:

Hey everyone,
I’m really happy to be able to catch up with you on the blog today and give you some good news.

My recovery has gone well, I think I was right to be patient and take it slowly, and to respect the time frames that I needed. Now, finally, I can tell you that I will be in Le Mans this weekend.

The truth is that I’m really keen to get back on my motorbike, as I’m sure you can guess.

It’s not just about that, though. I’m also excited to get back to my team to work side by side with them again. They’re a great bunch.

I wanted to thank you again for the countless messages of support that you’ve all sent me. They’ve made the wait much easier, I can tell you that from the heart. You’ve always been with me. As you always remind me, I know I don’t walk alone!

[Autech]

Now, finally, I can tell you that I will be in Le Mans this weekend…
In his official blog for repsol.com Dani Pedrosa announces his return to racing in Le Mans:

Hey everyone,
I’m really happy to be able to catch up with you on the blog today and give you some good news.

My recovery has gone well, I think I was right to be patient and take it slowly, and to respect the time frames that I needed. Now, finally, I can tell you that I will be in Le Mans this weekend.

The truth is that I’m really keen to get back on my motorbike, as I’m sure you can guess.

It’s not just about that, though. I’m also excited to get back to my team to work side by side with them again. They’re a great bunch.

I wanted to thank you again for the countless messages of support that you’ve all sent me. They’ve made the wait much easier, I can tell you that from the heart. You’ve always been with me. As you always remind me, I know I don’t walk alone!

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::w oohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woo hoo::woohoo:

Been shit not having my main man out there!

[McWild]

Too early to start predictions?

Weather in Le Mans is meant to be clear all weekend, for a change.

Rossi has this one IMO, he went well here last year and MM isn't on the warpath quite like he was the first half 2014. Pedrosa will be busy getting used to the bike again. Lorenzo, I d'know I mean he went good last time out but I think Le Mans is a bit too stop-go for his liking.

Ducatis could be in with a shot? Maybe?

[Erelyes]

If Lozenge is entirely a mind over matter man, then as long as he can start the weekend with a solid time, I think he will have it in the bag.

But if he's out of the top few spots in P1 fuggedabowdit.

Pedro will be too hesistant imo so not a podium contender. Not that I don't want to see him do it, I just don't think he can do it.

[roogazza]

Too early to start predictions?

Weather in Le Mans is meant to be clear all weekend, for a change.

Rossi has this one IMO, he went well here last year and MM isn't on the warpath quite like he was the first half 2014. Pedrosa will be busy getting used to the bike again. Lorenzo, I d'know I mean he went good last time out but I think Le Mans is a bit too stop-go for his liking.

Ducatis could be in with a shot? Maybe?

Looking forward to the French.
As long as its dry,should be a good fight. Nice to have Pedro back too. :shifty:
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[Crasherfromwayback]

MM

Rossi

Dovi

Lorenzo

Pedro

[speights_bud]

MM

Rossi

Dovi

Lorenzo

Pedro
+1 on that.

[Reckless]

Hasnt Lorenzo won the last couple years there?

I'll go Rossi, Lorenzo (or visa versa) MM, Dovi, then its a toss up between Pedro, Crutchlow, Iannone, Aliex Espargro, or his brother, Bradley smith.

Iannone could have a shoulder problem?

Andrea Iannone dislocates his left shoulder after a crash testing at Mugello, and will have to undergo treatment ahead of the French GP.
The Ducati Team rider, who was concluding a two day private test at the circuit, crashed at the Arrabbiata 2 corner bruising his left shoulder. Later in the afternoon he went for a medical check in Cattolica with Dr. Giuseppe Porcellini who diagnosed him as having dislocated his left shoulder. Over the next three days Iannone will follow treatment agreed with his specialist, with the aim of lining up for the start of the French GP at Le Mans.

Andrea Iannone:
“It was for sure an interesting test, because testing before a race is always useful, and we were able to evaluate some solutions that during the GPs we find it difficult to do. In the end it was a useful two-day test and I am happy with how I was doing, even though unfortunately today at the end of the session I crashed at Arrabbiata 2 and banged my left shoulder pretty hard. In any case I’m satisfied with the way we are working, especially because the bike is still new and so we need to try different solutions in order to find the best set-up.”

[McWild]

Actually... Can I change my answer? Lorenzo FTW if he goes well in qualifying. But then, MM... man who even knows any more, what a wicked season.

Reckless, not the last couple but has a good history there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_motorcycle_Grand_Prix


Sucks for Iannone! Hard bugger though, the fact that he smashed his shoulder almost comes off as an afterthought. More important to talk about "evaluating solutions"? I guess? Awesome.

[samgab]

Well, I've gotta say, it always makes for exciting watching when it's a MotoGP race with Rossi, Marquez, and Lorenzo in the mix!! Can't wait for Le Mans this weekend...

For the nostalgic: Here's a blast from the past; the 2000 British MotoGP race on the 2 stroke 500's of yesteryear; and Rossis first Big Boy Bike win, beating out Kenny Roberts Jr:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWiM2EAux0o

Really interesting to see how the bikes and riding style have evolved in 15 years.
There's no sign of the "Rossi Leg Dangle"© which all the riders seem to have adopted these days... Back then even Rossi wasn't doing it. Everyone's feet stayed firmly planted on the footpegs.

[BMWST?]

MM and Pedro the last couple of years...I think the stop go will normally favour MM but with his finger still troubling him...??If it i wet i say Mr Rossi,unless the Ducs work evn better in the wet than do in the dry

[pritch]

After the first day's practice Pedro reports pain but is waiting to see if the arms flare up overnight in reaction to his exertions.

[carbonhed]

Man that's a brutal highside for Aleix Espargaro hope he's ok.

[pritch]

Alex Briggs (team 46) commented on the weather at LeMans, he was cold all day except when he burned himself on a hot brake disc.
He also wrote, "LeMans has not given us much love yet. On paper we are not great, but luckily we don't race on paper."
Which is true, but giving Marquez a head start would seem to be doing things the hard way.

Rain interrupted qualifying in Moto3 very early on resulting in a very strange looking grid. Danny Kent, winner of the last three races, starts from 30th IIRC.
Be interesting to watch how he deals with that.

There was also an incident during CEV Moto3 practice/qualifying where the session was "red flagged" but few or no red flags were in evidence resulting in a group of riders traveling full pace suddenly finding the safety car on the racing line. Somebody needs to lift their game.

[Erelyes]

That MM fella.... it's like he's cybernetically enhanced or something. Potters around ('continually testing the limits' the commentators reckon) and then bangs a lap half a second faster than anything before.

JL equals it or near enough...

MM drops another half second.

Gonna be an interesting race for sure, and it bodes ill for VR's championship prospects so far

[carbonhed]

Apparently Lorenzo had a broken sensor on the bike. You could see him on pit exit messing around with the settings and gear lever. FWIW.

[eelracing]

Apparently Lorenzo had a broken sensor on the bike. You could see him on pit exit messing around with the settings and gear lever. FWIW.

Must of found 7th gear then...game-on.
That battle for fourth was sublime,both showcasing what a bit of old fashion niggle can add to proceedings.

[mulletman]

That battle for fourth was sublime,both showcasing what a bit of old fashion niggle can add to proceedings.

Parts of it was scary as fuck but it did liven up the race :laugh:

[carbonhed]

Parts of it was scary as fuck but it did liven up the race :laugh:

:laugh: Been looking forward to that. Shame Iannone was in bad shape but the guy has balls and is aggressive as fuck... bring on next time.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:laugh: Been looking forward to that. Shame Iannone was in bad shape but the guy has balls and is aggressive as fuck... bring on next time.

Agree 100%!

[Drew]

How long has it been since Lorenzo won a race?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How long has it been since Lorenzo won a race?

About 12 hours.

[carbonhed]

All the top Honda guys had front end issues.... maybe it's no longer the best bike on the grid?

[pritch]

How long has it been since Lorenzo won a race?

He has just won two in a row so it can't be too long...

I thought Hayden looked almost embarrassed to be standing in parc ferme as top production bike. He used to get in there 'cause he was on the podium.

[roogazza]

Rossi from the third row again, legend. Horhay in the groove.
Buttercup had no answer for MM and Crazy joe when the going got serious. But slotted into 6th .
CC, bwaaaaa !

MM certainly gets the fire going at times,kamakasi like !

Must be keen,stayed up for the 3 races.

[pritch]

Was impressed by Danny Kent - again. Started 31st on the grid, made it through the field to the lead group, joined the scrap then backed off. At that point he would have presumably used more tyre than the other three.

He would have been unaware that his two closest challengers for the championship had gone down, but his pit board had told him fourth was OK. All in all it was a display of both speed and brains. That combination can win championships.

[GD66]

Buttercup had no answer







Tee-hee, is that your name for Bwadley Smiff ? A beauty ! :killingme

[carbonhed]

Tee-hee, is that your name for Bwadley Smiff ? A beauty ! :killingme

Yeah. There's Smith living the dream racing in MotoGP week in week out dicing with multiple world champions... man he's got to be completely gutted that some pathetic losers on the internet are calling him names. Practically suicidal I imagine... or perhaps not :msn-wink:

[Drew]

He has just won two in a row so it can't be too long...

I thought Hayden looked almost embarrassed to be standing in parc ferme as top production bike. He used to get in there 'cause he was on the podium.

You know what I mean. The guy has been a long time off the top spot, and now he's a contender.

[roogazza]

Tee-hee, is that your name for Bwadley Smiff ? A beauty ! :killingme

He's a pom and like his bloody commentator pom mates deserves it.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I have to mute the TV often.

Wasn't he getting ready to win it after FP1 ??? Have a look on Crash.net it you can stand it.

Hope the health is looking up GD ??

[Erelyes]

That pass from Rossi on MM early on was a cracker! Although I read somewhere Rossi apologising for it as it was a bit of an accident?

MM's battle with Iannone was perhaps the best battle in the season to date... MM was his usual 'ride it til it crashes, then ride it a little more' self. Maniannonac was just the guy to dice with him.

Lozenge got his head straight and sure enough, off he fucked.

Second corner pile-up in Moto3 was a heart stopper, all I saw was a guy and a bike sliding in the middle of the track towards the pack, then one of the bikes in the pack going flying. Luckily that guy had hit a bike, not the rider.

[pritch]

Poor Bradders, you guys are picking on him, I thought he was doing well. He's doing better than his team mate anyway and that's his first priority. Apparently Espagero considers he is a star in waiting. He may have to wait a bit longer?

I agree about the commentary, Harris and BirtyGP were pissing me off too. Come to think of it, the GP website gives the option to listen to the ambient sound track. Just the noise of the bikes - no commentary. There's a little icon 2nd box in from the bottom r/h corner. Simple though it is, it may lead to a more relaxed viewing experience.

[Reckless]

MM certainly gets the fire going at times,kamakasi like !
Certainly had a couple brain fart moments there especially into that first corner?



That pass from Rossi on MM early on was a cracker! Although I read somewhere Rossi apologising for it as it was a bit of an accident?
Yes in the conference after he said he came in a bit hot and he apologised. But said if he had of braked more he would have lost the front and taken both of them down.

Lorenzo is back on track, Rossi hanging in there by charging late in the races, Dovi consistent and still lookin for the little thing that will get them 1/2 a sec.
Looks like Honda don't like loosing and are getting a little tied up so to speak. Cant see anything anywhere explaining what MM problem was?
Better race than last one, Bring it on :)

Edit oh here it is
The GP of France was a tough race for the Repsol Honda riders.
As Marc began to experience difficulty with the front, he lost places and by lap five he had dropped down to 6th place. He passed both Smith and Iannone into 4th place, then a battle ensued with Iannone with the two riders fighting for five laps and passing each other several times. Marc finally held on to take 4th and 13 important Championship points.

Marquez: "The temperature rose sharply; we had not ridden in such conditions at any time this the weekend. On the fourth lap I started to notice that I had a lot of problems with the front end. I think all the Hondas had the same trouble; in fact a lot crashed after losing front grip because we were really suffering. We knew that with a rise in temperature, conditions change, but we expected it to be for the better and this time it was for the worse. We must learn from this race and especially from the data we have gathered."

[Asher]

I think Kent and Leopard racing planned a very smart race. It wasn't too obvious but early in the race I saw Kent signalling to Ono to pull in behind him and Ono stayed close behind him until Kent got clean air. I'm guessing that Kent was using Ono as a shield so he didn't have to worry about defending his line and push to get to the front as fast as possible.
Also Baz did well, as did Miller (until he crashes), I can't see Bradl's contract being renewed and Melendri must be on anti depressants.

[roogazza]

Poor Bradders, you guys are picking on him, I thought he was doing well. He's doing better than his team mate anyway and that's his first priority. Apparently Espagero considers he is a star in waiting. He may have to wait a bit longer?

I agree about the commentary, Harris and BirtyGP were pissing me off too. Come to think of it, the GP website gives the option to listen to the ambient sound track. Just the noise of the bikes bikes - no commentary. There's a little icon 2nd box in from the bottom r/h corner. Simple though it is, it may lead to a more relaxed viewing experience.

Wish I had that option with Sky, By turning down the harsh accents I can still hear a bit of engine noise.
The chatter is over the top more so in Moto3.
Agree there,BS is doin ok,right where we'd expect I suppose 6th to 8th.?
I thought in the beginning Pol would have had him sorted ?
I'm still keen on seeing the Doocatis operate without the concessions,whos' riders incidently give pretty good interviews on the whole.
(I'd still keep the flag tho inspite of CC and BS).:lol::rolleyes:

[carbonhed]

Bad day at the office for my man in Moto2 Alex Rins. Missed the start biblically from pole and then crashed out :(

Great ride by Kent and then smart enough to take the points rather than risk crashing out on a screwed rear tire.

[pritch]

Agree there,BS is doin ok,right where we'd expect I suppose 6th to 8th.?

(I'd still keep the flag tho inspite of CC and BS).:lol::rolleyes:

Some people seem to resent the emergence of a few poms but I was getting a bit sick of listening to the Spanish National anthem. Three Spanish flags on the podium was getting monotonous too. So a bit of God Save The Queen is fine by me. MotoGP needs a few more nationalities. I did note a recent article about how Frenchman Quarteraro was looking forward to his home GP at LeMans. The item was in Spanish though which spoilt the effect.

Oh, and the flag?

[Autech]

All the top Honda guys had front end issues.... maybe it's no longer the best bike on the grid?

Was waiting for Zippy and knobhead to notice that 90% of the Honda's had crashed on the front end...


Was impressed by Danny Kent - again. Started 31st on the grid, made it through the field to the lead group, joined the scrap then backed off. At that point he would have presumably used more tyre than the other three.

He would have been unaware that his two closest challengers for the championship had gone down, but his pit board had told him fourth was OK. All in all it was a display of both speed and brains. That combination can win championships.

That guy is showing some good talent this year, was good on the Mahindra last year but that Honda is really to his liking.


Poor Bradders, you guys are picking on him, I thought he was doing well. He's doing better than his team mate anyway and that's his first priority. Apparently Espagero considers he is a star in waiting. He may have to wait a bit longer?

I agree about the commentary, Harris and BirtyGP were pissing me off too. Come to think of it, the GP website gives the option to listen to the ambient sound track. Just the noise of the bikes - no commentary. There's a little icon 2nd box in from the bottom r/h corner. Simple though it is, it may lead to a more relaxed viewing experience.

I got my wife (French Canadian) to listen to Zippy butchering the corner names. Was very funny. As for the other dickhead telling everyone in the Motogp race that Quatararo had crashed in Moto3, was very unimpressed.

[Oscar]

I got my wife (French Canadian) to listen to Zippy butchering the corner names.

Considering the average Nu Zillander butchers their own language, this is a little bit arrogant isn't it?
Do people take the piss out of you wife’s accent/pronunciation?

[Autech]

Considering the average Nu Zillander butchers their own language, this is a little bit arrogant isn't it?
Do people take the piss out of you wife’s accent/pronunciation?

People? I'm not sure... Do I? Fuck yes! When she asks for the "Mixed eeerbs" (Mixed herbs) from the cupboard I pay her out big time.

When I was in Canada I had someone burst out laughing when I spoke, she was a tad crazy though.

Oscar must be the first person ever in this thread to defend Nick Harris, we have a champion!
Comes down to respect though, if I was paid to commentate (PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!) I would at least make my best attempt to pronounce the riders names correctly. His butchering the French language was just another reason why he should be fired and I should be hired in his place.

[GD66]

the GP website gives the option to listen to the ambient sound track. Just the noise of the bikes - no commentary.





I saw they were introducing that feature but thought I would wait before signing up as users on a number of sites were reporting in the early stages that some of the options failed at times. If it's now accessible regularly, that is a dream come true for many.:not:

Autech, if you get a start in the comm box I will have the bikes-only function disabled round at my joint, and gleefully join in again. I must say at least Birt has a clue, which helps. Commentary everywhere is in the doldrums, I watched some of the NW200 and they had Parrish and had also exhumed the execrable Richard Nicholls from the crypt, presumably because Huewen would have been doing the GP at Le Mans.

And Bwadley Smiff has looked pretty good at times, certainly got a cheer from me when he was looking the goods running in fourth in Texas for a while. As pointed out, he is knocking Pol off which is a clue. Someone must have spotted something exceptional about him, and I think in time he will get it happening. Certainly fires it up the road a lot less nowadays.

[Oscar]

People? I'm not sure... Do I? Fuck yes! When she asks for the "Mixed eeerbs" (Mixed herbs) from the cupboard I pay her out big time.

When I was in Canada I had someone burst out laughing when I spoke, she was a tad crazy though.

Oscar must be the first person ever in this thread to defend Nick Harris, we have a champion!
Comes down to respect though, if I was paid to commentate (PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!) I would at least make my best attempt to pronounce the riders names correctly. His butchering the French language was just another reason why he should be fired and I should be hired in his place.

I'm not defending Nick Harris, I'm just a little tired of the whinging that goes on here.
Find the volume switch. If you have to rely on a twat like Harris to know what's going on, you should be reading Motocourse, not hanging out on the interweb moaning.

IIRC the only cock up I recall this year is the dif in the way one of them says Espargaro.

And BTW? Relying on a French Canadian for French pronunciation is a little like using an Aussie as a guide to proper English.
As far as the French are concerned, they can get fucked, and if Harris annoys them - all the better.

[ecko_nzed]

Aleix Espargaro in the wars http://www.suzuki-racing.com/motogp/ESPARGARO-TO-UNDERGO-SURGERY-TOMORROW-IN-BARCELONA.58263.cms

[Autech]

I saw they were introducing that feature but thought I would wait before signing up as users on a number of sites were reporting in the early stages that some of the options failed at times. If it's now accessible regularly, that is a dream come true for many.:not:

Autech, if you get a start in the comm box I will have the bikes-only function disabled round at my joint, and gleefully join in again. I must say at least Birt has a clue, which helps. Commentary everywhere is in the doldrums, I watched some of the NW200 and they had Parrish and had also exhumed the execrable Richard Nicholls from the crypt, presumably because Huewen would have been doing the GP at Le Mans.

And Bwadley Smiff has looked pretty good at times, certainly got a cheer from me when he was looking the goods running in fourth in Texas for a while. As pointed out, he is knocking Pol off which is a clue. Someone must have spotted something exceptional about him, and I think in time he will get it happening. Certainly fires it up the road a lot less nowadays.

If commentary were through a democratic process, I would have one vote! Autech for president.



And BTW? Relying on a French Canadian for French pronunciation is a little like using an Aussie as a guide to proper English.
As far as the French are concerned, they can get fucked, and if Harris annoys them - all the better.

Considering Quebec speaks more traditional French, than the French... But we all know about arguing on the internet... We also know about opinions and how everyone has one... So lets hug it out :hug: and you can add me to your ignore list if it bothers you that much .:oi-grr:
Best include 90% of this thread contributors to that list though as most people here have had a whine at some stage about Zippy and friends. I just think we deserve better commentary than what we are getting.

Back to the racing, George is looking pretty damn solid at the moment, really hard to call this Championship, I don't think the Ducati's are quite there to win the championship, but there are many rounds to come. Looked to me that if they (Duc's) could get their immense power down out of the corners a bit better that the Yams wouldn't have stood a chance. Case and point was when Rossi overtook Dovi, I thought that with the speed difference that Dovi would have been able to get past him on the next straight but Rossi got out of the corner quick enough to negate the speed difference by the end of the straight, even with Dovis late braking Rossi stayed ahead. Yams chassis is certainly working fantastically.

[pritch]

IIRC the only cock up I recall this year is the dif in the way one of them says Espargaro.


You haven't been paying attention. Harris murders Bastianini's name. His co-commentators get it right and he did after I mentioned it - once. Now he doesn't even try.

Birt has experience as a print journo I think, but is new to broadcasting. He has potential, but he confuses Espagero with asparagus. He also stuffs up Bagnaia and Quateraro. He puts a hard G in Bagnaia as if the rider was a bag lady. He makes Quateraro rhyme with twatt.

None of this is the end of the world, but it isn't indicative of top men on the job either. It grates. I don't expect them to roll their Rs like the Spanish, either when they talk - or when they walk, but they could at least make an effort. :whistle:

[george formby]

I take it that Harris is the commentator who goes from a quiet discourse to yelling out whatever corner the racers are approaching in case he has sent us to sleep? Really starting to rip my nightie. Almost spilled some beer when he did it last night. :shit:

[McWild]

It's such a weird inconsistency, Birt did a great job with "Andrea" this time (tapped "r") but the two of them still incredibly say, as you said, BAG-NAI-A.

See I don't let it bother me if it's just someone I'm chatting to in person. But these guys... they're flying around the world. They've been to the home countries of almost all these riders many, many times. They've interviewed them in person. They work for a Spanish company!

These are people with more overseas experience than many of us could ever dream of, commentating on an international sport where many of us never even see their faces but only hear their voices. It really, really stands out when they make such amateur errors in pronunciation, so frequently, because while you're listening to them, you're watching three races of perfectionists at work... people who have to work so hard just to keep their ride... for whom that one little error could mean a contract extension or a trip to hospital... You see a shining great example of work ethic and talent, but what you hear through your ears are the voices of a couple of people who don't pronounce those riders' names correctly?!

So yeah I think it is worth being annoyed about it if you're an admirer of the guys doing the racing. It's disrespectful and (because?) it's an easy fix.






"DOWN in pit lane".

[GD66]

And, as you'll see towards the end of the season, Harris in all that time has still not mastered basic maths. He spends all of every race telling us about Vital Championship Points, then when it's time to factor them in at the end of the year, he ALWAYS throws his hands in the air and fesses up that his maths is crap, and always was.





Kunt.

[Autech]

And, as you'll see towards the end of the season, Harris in all that time has still not mastered basic maths. He spends all of every race telling us about Vital Championship Points, then when it's time to factor them in at the end of the year, he ALWAYS throws his hands in the air and fesses up that his maths is crap, and always was.





Kunt.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Anyone else see how well Miller was doing before he binned it? Give that bogan a decent bike, he will take care of the rest

And speaking of binning it, anyone else though about how funny a name Brad "Binder" is for a motorcycle racer?

[Drew]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Anyone else see how well Miller was doing before he binned it? Give that bogan a decent bike, he will take care of the rest



Are you high? Pushing to the limit means sometimes you crash. Repeatedly going past the limit means you're not as god as you think you are. I should fucken know.

[Erelyes]

On the fourth lap I started to notice that I had a lot of problems with the front end.

Interesting. To my armchair expert point of view it looked as if MMs bike was tying itself in knots (Gordian ones) every time it was given some power. Maybe it was doing both, and he did bloody well to get where he was!

The BTSport commentary may be the lesser of the evils. They still fuck up half of the names though, and tend to be oblivious to some of the onscreen action, and have a blatant bias towards pommy riders, and.... OK, maybe they're average too.

[Reckless]

Interesting. To my armchair expert point of view it looked as if MMs bike was tying itself in knots (Gordian ones) every time it was given some power. Maybe it was doing both, and he did bloody well to get where he was!

Yeh he did but I wanted him to come 6th just for the championship. We also saw some more desperate stuff from him this race, Pressure aye :sweatdrop

[Erelyes]

Forgot to mention, I think it was Neil Hodgson's comment to Pedro when he was on the grid; 'You picked a physical track to come back to'
Pedro's reply? '...... I didn't have any choice'

I wonder if that means he had to come back when it was right no matter the track; or if he got a bit of a hurry-up due to Aoyama's performance... :shifty:

[Erelyes]

Interesting article here (https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/05/17/2015_le_mans_motogp_sunday_round_up_why_.html). Seems the RC213V is a bit of a Rubik's cube to set up, one whereby the colours of the pieces will change randomly from time to time....

[carbonhed]

Interesting article here (https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/05/17/2015_le_mans_motogp_sunday_round_up_why_.html). Seems the RC213V is a bit of a Rubik's cube to set up, one whereby the colours of the pieces will change randomly from time to time....

Very interesting. Also good to see him point out that Smith had executed a sweet pass on Iannone's factory Ducati only for Marquez to come blasting through, miss the apex by a country mile and punt Smith wide and back to the rear of the bunch... cue junk yard dog brawl that could have ended in disaster at any moment.

[Autech]

Forgot to mention, I think it was Neil Hodgson's comment to Pedro when he was on the grid; 'You picked a physical track to come back to'
Pedro's reply? '...... I didn't have any choice'

I wonder if that means he had to come back when it was right no matter the track; or if he got a bit of a hurry-up due to Aoyama's performance... :shifty:

I would say he wanted to come back for this round no matter the track.


Very interesting. Also good to see him point out that Smith had executed a sweet pass on Iannone's factory Ducati only for Marquez to come blasting through, miss the apex by a country mile and punt Smith wide and back to the rear of the bunch... cue junk yard dog brawl that could have ended in disaster at any moment.

Typical Marquez, still as dangerous and exciting as ever.

[McWild]

I feel a bit sorry for Redding this season, I've seen a fair few comments around the place saying he doesn't deserve his ride etc.

He was on that dog of a RCV1000R for his rookie season and did everything he could have on it. He's now got himself an RCV213 with his old team, which you have to say has the best pedigree (EstrellaG/MarcVDS) of any privateer team out there. Expectations for him this season were understandably high, probably moreso of himself than for anyone else.

But the Gresini team had years and years with that bike and an established relationship with HRC. LCR has similar years and years of that relationship. And how well did they ever do, on average? With some creamy creamy riders onboard, no less. Repsol have racked up the wins and poles, but the satellites have always been about even, if not slightly worse, than Tech3.

These things take time to come together. New team, working in a new class, with a new bike, a bike like nothing they've dealt with before. A bike that, people are starting to think, takes a lot of work to make work for even the Repsol team with MM at the helm.

The pressure's on the team to get results straight away, because hell the main sponsors and teams involved could barely afford the downpayments and they're used to winning.

And the pressure's on Redding because he's the top dog of a pyramid of riders that goes Redding > Rabat > A Marquez > Quartararo > Navarro > future CEV champions.



Which all in all would seem to me to be quiiiite a lot of pressure to either perform or lose the ride. Stupid petty comments on Reddit about "What's he doing there!" Well, he earned it, what did you do recently.

[James Deuce]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Anyone else see how well Miller was doing before he binned it? Give that bogan a decent bike, he will take care of the rest



All mouth, no trousers, terrible attitude. Worse than Wayne Gardner in every way. At least Gardner was fast. It's easier to make a fast rider consistent than it is to make an arsehat easy to work with. Mixing metaphors is fun.

[Autech]

And the pressure's on Redding because he's the top dog of a pyramid of riders that goes Redding > Rabat > A Marquez > Quartararo > Navarro > future CEV champions.

Shame he grew so damn tall! Those midget Spaniards will always have a slight advantage over him.


All mouth, no trousers, terrible attitude. Worse than Wayne Gardner in every way. At least Gardner was fast. It's easier to make a fast rider consistent than it is to make an arsehat easy to work with. Mixing metaphors is fun.

I think he is a future world champion :gob:

Time will tell though, he was awesome in Moto3 and clearly someone thinks he's got what it takes as he took a giant leap into Motogp.

So many good riders, so few good bikes...

[pritch]

All mouth, no trousers, terrible attitude. Worse than Wayne Gardner in every way. At least Gardner was fast. It's easier to make a fast rider consistent than it is to make an arsehat easy to work with. Mixing metaphors is fun.

Funny, I like him. It's an interesting experiment and I suspect it all came about 'cause of something Matt Oxley wrote in Motorsport magazine. Oxley probably didn't know he had *that* much influence?

Keep having fun mixing metaphors, they're fun to read too.

[Shaun Harris]

All mouth, no trousers, terrible attitude.


So "JUST" like you then. Exept he has WON many world championship races, some thing key board hero;s will never ever fukin do, apart from mouth off

[Shaun Harris]

Shame he grew so damn tall! Those midget Spaniards will always have a slight advantage over him.



I think he is a future world champion :gob:

Time will tell though, he was awesome in Moto3 and clearly someone thinks he's got what it takes as he took a giant leap into Motogp.

So many good riders, so few good bikes...



Agreed, and his rough nature and attitude is fukin awsome for the PC sport world we now live in

[Oscar]

All mouth, no trousers, terrible attitude.


So "JUST" like you then. Exept he has WON many world championship races, some thing key board hero;s will never ever fukin do, apart from mouth off

So on that basis, no one here would be able to comment?
Chill out, Buddy.

[Drew]

So "JUST" like you then. Exept he has WON many world championship races, some thing key board hero;s will never ever fukin do, apart from mouth off

Perhaps James would have been on for a local title, were it not for an arrogant litle cunt being a condescending prick. Offering some tips and support, rather than belittling him to feel better about himself.

[Mental Trousers]

I feel a bit sorry for Redding this season, I've seen a fair few comments around the place saying he doesn't deserve his ride etc.

He was on that dog of a RCV1000R for his rookie season and did everything he could have on it. He's now got himself an RCV213 with his old team, which you have to say has the best pedigree (EstrellaG/MarcVDS) of any privateer team out there. Expectations for him this season were understandably high, probably moreso of himself than for anyone else.

But the Gresini team had years and years with that bike and an established relationship with HRC. LCR has similar years and years of that relationship. And how well did they ever do, on average? With some creamy creamy riders onboard, no less. Repsol have racked up the wins and poles, but the satellites have always been about even, if not slightly worse, than Tech3.

These things take time to come together. New team, working in a new class, with a new bike, a bike like nothing they've dealt with before. A bike that, people are starting to think, takes a lot of work to make work for even the Repsol team with MM at the helm.

The pressure's on the team to get results straight away, because hell the main sponsors and teams involved could barely afford the downpayments and they're used to winning.

And the pressure's on Redding because he's the top dog of a pyramid of riders that goes Redding > Rabat > A Marquez > Quartararo > Navarro > future CEV champions.



Which all in all would seem to me to be quiiiite a lot of pressure to either perform or lose the ride. Stupid petty comments on Reddit about "What's he doing there!" Well, he earned it, what did you do recently.

Everybody in that class deserves to be there (except maybe Melandri cos he isn't trying at all)

Redding is definitely having problems but he wouldn't be the first to get on a brand new bike and have problems. Especially when the bike is designed to carry midgets and he's definitely not short.

Lots don't like Bradley Smith and reckon he shouldn't be there, but he's beaten his teammate (who everyone reckons is the next big thing, or at least one of) 4 out of 5 races so far and is the second satellite rider by only 1 point behind Crutchlow. So he's certainly doing better than Redding is but still gets bagged as not being deserving.


All mouth, no trousers, terrible attitude. Worse than Wayne Gardner in every way. At least Gardner was fast. It's easier to make a fast rider consistent than it is to make an arsehat easy to work with. Mixing metaphors is fun.

Arsehat metaphors are all good. At least he hasn't proven to be as much of an arsehat as Ant West (yet).

[Shaun Harris]

Perhaps James would have been on for a local title, were it not for an arrogant litle cunt being a condescending prick. Offering some tips and support, rather than belittling him to feel better about himself.




Take ya meds and fuk off drew

[Drew]

Take ya meds and fuk off drew

Eat shit ya liitle faucktard anal flap.

[Oscar]

Jeez, do you guys wanna get a grip?

Which of you ghey preecks is coming to Hampton Downs on Sunday?

[GD66]

he hasn't proven to be as much of an arsehat as Ant West (yet)




That'll probably require some specialist training. And it would help if his old man started swinging his fists after a few stiff drinks. That was key in West's arsehat development.

[pritch]

That'll probably require some specialist training. And it would help if his old man started swinging his fists after a few stiff drinks. That was key in West's arsehat development.

Bugger! I must've missed all that goss. I had some sympathy for West after reading about how he was riding unpaid, sleeping on a sofa in a sleepout at his girlfriend's parents' place in Italy. Doing it tough.

That was a year os so back, but I'd be surprised if he's living high on the hog thia year.

[Shaun Harris]

Eat shit ya liitle faucktard anal flap.


Haha have a lovely day buddy

[Crasherfromwayback]

That'll probably require some specialist training. And it would help if his old man started swinging his fists after a few stiff drinks. That was key in West's arsehat development.


Bugger! I must've missed all that goss. I had some sympathy for West after reading about how he was riding unpaid, sleeping on a sofa in a sleepout at his girlfriend's parents' place in Italy. Doing it tough.

That was a year os so back, but I'd be surprised if he's living high on the hog thia year.

I think both he and the old man liked a bit of fisticuffs.

[pritch]

Dorna and the FIM are to.invite tenders for the supply of engines for Moto2 from 2019. This has prompted discussion as to what the fans would like to see: Triumph or MV triples, KTM 750
twins, Suzuki 650 turbos etc. Most likely though we'll get more of the same, or something very similar.

I think it was Emmett made the comment that it is a lot cheaper to run a team in Moto2 than Moto3 which was interesting.

[McWild]

Dorna and the FIM are to.invite tenders for the supply of engines for Moto2 from 2019. This has prompted discussion as to what the fans would like to see: Triumph or MV triples, KTM 750
twins, Suzuki 650 turbos etc. Most likely though we'll get more of the same, or something very similar.

I think it was Emmett made the comment that it is a lot cheaper to run a team in Moto2 than Moto3 which was interesting.

Likely they'll just find another 600cc 4 to switch over to and keep the teams happy.

Like many have suggested, the logical step would surely by a 500 twin/open manufacturer class. Would mirror the old 2T days of 125/250/500 2Ts with 25/500/1000 4Ts. Introduce heavier cost caps on the Moto3 class, give a cost cap on Moto 2 of roughly what Moto3 has now.

Moto2 just feels like the doldrums between Moto3 and MotoGP these days and it won't surprise me a bit if we see more riders make the Jack Miller move in the coming seasons. Moto3 has the manufacturers and the big sponsors, what self-proposed future champion would want to take a step back for a season or 2 in Moto2 right now? I think a lot just do it because they more or less have to. Look at Vinales, he was in and out and if Rins gets a shot in GP next season I bet he'll do the same thing.

[Erelyes]

I recall the commentators (BTSport) saying something about the Moto3 bikes being quite technical, and the MotoGP bikes, yet Moto2 not so much.

It does seem a bit weird that Moto2 is closer to the European Junior Cup, and that Moto3 is closer to MotoGP.

*shrug*

[pritch]

Moto2 would seem in most respects to be a failed experiment. The idea was a standardised engine with frame design unrestricted. There were hopes for hub steering and all sorts of wondrous design solutions. Turns out that the teams are exceedingly risk averse and choose frame designs very conservatively. This to the extent that the vast majority of the current field are all using same frame. Seems everybody wants what last year's champion rode.

Dorna wanted more power from the 600 engines but it turns out Honda can be risk averse too. Understandably they didn't want the engines blowing up, that would be a bad look. So the Moto2 engines are not *that* much different to a standard CBR600RR as I understand it.

Instead of an interesting variety we now have a field of bikes with identical engines and almost all with identical frames. A long way from what was envisioned. The main failure of the Moto2 formula though, is that the step up from the Moto2 bikes to MotoGP is too big.

The only consolation is that there should be nothing to prevent close racing.

[GD66]

At the time it appeared that Moto2 was hurriedly introduced by Dorna as a knee-jerk reaction to the popularity of the closely-fought and spectacular 600 Supersport class in the WSBK series.
Always dickin' round with the rules...:facepalm:

[Autech]

Dorna and the FIM are to.invite tenders for the supply of engines for Moto2 from 2019. This has prompted discussion as to what the fans would like to see: Triumph or MV triples, KTM 750
twins, Suzuki 650 turbos etc. Most likely though we'll get more of the same, or something very similar.

I think it was Emmett made the comment that it is a lot cheaper to run a team in Moto2 than Moto3 which was interesting.

I was thinking the other day that the engines must be up for review. The Honda 4banger has done em well so I would be surprised to see a change in that. They seems to be reliable and put out a fair amount of grunt with that power.


Moto2 would seem in most respects to be a failed experiment. The idea was a standardised engine with frame design unrestricted. There were hopes for hub steering and all sorts of wondrous design solutions. Turns out that the teams are exceedingly risk averse and choose frame designs very conservatively. This to the extent that the vast majority of the current field are all using same frame. Seems everybody wants what last year's champion rode.

Dorna wanted more power from the 600 engines but it turns out Honda can be risk averse too. Understandably they didn't want the engines blowing up, that would be a bad look. So the Moto2 engines are not *that* much different to a standard CBR600RR as I understand it.

Instead of an interesting variety we now have a field of bikes with identical engines and almost all with identical frames. A long way from what was envisioned. The main failure of the Moto2 formula though, is that the step up from the Moto2 bikes to MotoGP is too big.

The only consolation is that there should be nothing to prevent close racing.

It certainly sounded exciting to begin with, no John Brittens out there dicing it though unfortunately.

I really really enjoyed Moto2 when it was first introduced, ended up with closer racing that the 125s at the time as the $$$ gap between manufacturers/teams made for some really fast bikes and some fucking slow bikes.

There is still some close racing, I think this year is kinda wamp waaamp as the talked about names from the Moto3 step up (Marquez was the big hope) aren't doing too well. Rins is doing faaantastic though which is great to watch.

I watch the races in this order these days Motogp (a bit of action but largely a game of chess) Moto3 (in case the Motogp race was boring the Moto3 always brings about some awesome racing) then Moto2. Will be interesting what Dorna does to up the Moto2 game in years to come.

[Oscar]

Moto2 would seem in most respects to be a failed experiment. The idea was a standardised engine with frame design unrestricted. There were hopes for hub steering and all sorts of wondrous design solutions. Turns out that the teams are exceedingly risk averse and choose frame designs very conservatively. This to the extent that the vast majority of the current field are all using same frame. Seems everybody wants what last year's champion rode.

Dorna wanted more power from the 600 engines but it turns out Honda can be risk averse too. Understandably they didn't want the engines blowing up, that would be a bad look. So the Moto2 engines are not *that* much different to a standard CBR600RR as I understand it.

Instead of an interesting variety we now have a field of bikes with identical engines and almost all with identical frames. A long way from what was envisioned. The main failure of the Moto2 formula though, is that the step up from the Moto2 bikes to MotoGP is too big.

The only consolation is that there should be nothing to prevent close racing.

I recall talking to Mike Web when Moto2 was being designed - as I recall allsorts of things were being mooted - injected two strokes, orbital valve technology and those Aprilia 550 twins. As you say the Honda experiment was let down by a lack of power (apparently the output is nowhere near what Dorna claims).

[denill]

I recall talking to Mike Web when Moto2 was being designed - as I recall allsorts of things were being mooted - injected two strokes, orbital valve technology and those Aprilia 550 twins. As you say the Honda experiment was let down by a lack of power (apparently the output is nowhere near what Dorna claims).

Have read that the Moto2 Honda is soooo underpowered they are shit to ride. (And the WSS motors are much more powerful.) Riding is all about keeping the corner speed up to make decent speed on the next straight. If that is so, could be a reason why this years Moto2 champ may not make the step up to MotoGP next year.

[Autech]

Have read that the Moto2 Honda is soooo underpowered they are shit to ride. (And the WSS motors are much more powerful.) Riding is all about keeping the corner speed up to make decent speed on the next straight. If that is so, could be a reason why this years Moto2 champ may not make the step up to MotoGP next year.

Googled and found a Moto2 vs WSS vs 250cc lap time comparison. Unfortunately it was from 2011 so not up to date, would be interesting if someone on here wants to do the work/googling :D

The stock CBR600 is rather slow compared to other 600s so if it isn't tickled much it may be a bit shite to ride.

[samgab]

Dorna and the FIM are to.invite tenders for the supply of engines for Moto2 from 2019. This has prompted discussion as to what the fans would like to see: Triumph or MV triples, KTM 750
twins, Suzuki 650 turbos etc. Most likely though we'll get more of the same, or something very similar.

I think it was Emmett made the comment that it is a lot cheaper to run a team in Moto2 than Moto3 which was interesting.


Hmm, interesting. I reckon 675 Triumph Triple engines would be an interesting platform for Moto2.

Also, I wonder if MV factory will ever return to MotoGP. For many years they dominated...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I wonder if MV factory will ever return to MotoGP. For many years they dominated...

Yep. Pretty easy to dominate a dominator.

[Erelyes]

I think this year is kinda wamp waaamp as the talked about names from the Moto3 step up (Marquez was the big hope) aren't doing too well.

'kin A. I actually believed Marquee Mark when he said his brother was better than him. Now that looks like a load of codswallop.

[george formby]

Hmm, interesting. I reckon 675 Triumph Triple engines would be an interesting platform for Moto2.
.

You watched any of the 675 racing from the UK?:crazy: Exceedingly entertaining.

I'm as underwhelmed as anyone with moto2 this season but as somebody has already mentioned it's in spectacular company. I've managed to get both fists into my mouth at least 3 times so far just watching motogp. Moto3 has had me putting damp flannels & boxer shorts in the fridge to avoid spontaneous combustion. Go DK!

[eelracing]

We (by that I mean the whiners and whingers on here) debated this last season I think.
At the end of the day, the fact that Moto2 has a single engine supplier and the engines are sealed is part of the problem. Fundamentally it is not GP racing any longer, it is simply low-volume higher spec production racing.
This means, as Toni Elias said, the bikes are not powerful enough and too even so that the good riders can be upset by not so good riders who go balls out at the start.
And it also means that the Moto2 teams have even less to do on the bikes to amake a difference. While this is also true now in MotoGP, at least the engines are different and the assigned engine technicians do their best for each team.
There is absolutely no doubt of the abilities of the top 10-15 Moto2 riders, but as mentioned in the thread last year, circumstances can make some of them look decidedly average.

Worth repeating steveyb's post re; this shite class.
Sums it up better than most only the moaners & whingers could see it coming 6 years ago.
It aint a GP class until open to all makes.

[carbonhed]

Fuck yeah!

http://photos.motogp.com/2015/05/20/05-gp-francia-14-a-17-de-mayo-de-2015.-motogp-93-marquez-circuito-de-le-mans-mgp-motogp_05lemans15mgprepsol_joc3579.big.jpg

[pritch]

Fuck yeah!

I'll see yours and raise you one - wheel.

[carbonhed]

I'll see yours and raise you one - wheel.

Awesome! And ten other characters.

[samgab]

Nice images. I love some of the high res, slow mo footage these days...

http://i.imgur.com/aXIOR0A.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ksbIxwX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IdOBnOK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LiRm39K.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pI5G9nf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nBR6V57.jpg

[roogazza]

Ryder Notes: On to Mugello
by julian ryder, on the ground in the uk, thanks
Thursday, May 21, 2015
click for larger version - image: thanks, Marco G
An Italian on pole for Mugello. Question is: which one?
image: thanks, Marco G

Two wins in a row after missing out on the podium shows the strength of mind you need to be a world champion. That's what Jorge Lorenzo did this month and turned the world championship around from the path we thought it was on. As

As usual, the picture has become clearer now that we've done a couple of races back in Europe, and we know the man who dominates on the run of great, classic tracks from Jerez through to Assen has a very, very good chance of becoming champion.

Valentino Rossi arrived back in Europe leading the title with Marc Marquez languishing over 30 points behind. After Jerez and Le Mans he is still 33 points behind the championship leader. Frankly, it already looks like a terrible year for Honda. Pedrosa's arm-pump problem and Marquez's Argentina crash have put Honda third in the constructors' championship and in danger of conceding that and the teams' title to Yamaha and even Ducati. Not even a comeback by Marquez could extinguish the pain of that one.

And that comeback may be hindered by the performance of the Honda. When Marc was massively faster than the field in Sunday morning warm-up at Le Mans on a track significantly warmer than it had been all weekend, everyone thought the game was over. A couple of years ago it was a truism that the Honda needed heat in the track to grip rather than spin whereas the Yamaha's corner speed dropped off with an increase in temperature. In France, Jorge managed the grip of the right side of his front tyre perfectly, never lapping outside the 1min 33sec bracket until he took some time to wave to the fans on the last lap. His tem mate couldn't quite manage the same trick, and crucially he couldn't qualify on the same row.

A few years ago when Valentino Rossi was engaged in open warfare with Casey Stoner he said that he would have to improve his qualifying if he were to beat the Ducati. The next thing that happened was Laguna 2008. He must be thinking the same thing right now if he wants to beat his team mate, because if he doesn't start qualifying within range of Jorge the 15 points between them will evaporate muy pronto. And only four points further back is the man who is extracting the maximum from the new Duke, Andrea Dovizioso. If he hadn't had a ricket at Jerez, he would be right up behind Rossi. And we can expect a Ducati to be on pole at Mugello next timeout - I think Iannone, shoulder allowing, is the man for the task of a lap of the autodromo on and slightly over the edge. Dovizoso is the man to frighten the Yamahas in the race.

I haven't mentioned the Hondas yet. I'm still trying to work out what's going on there. At Le Mans Marquez was throwing it into corners as usual but the bike wasn't doing what he wanted. He was unbelievably lucky to get away with that lunge at Dunlop on the first lap and then with the major moment on the brakes while dicing with Smith and Iannone. I truly thought he was going to skittle field with the first move and that he was on the floor when the Honda twitched madly going into Chemin aux Boeufs. Was it just the bumps on the ageing French tarmac? There are bumps on most circuits but they are unavoidable at Le Mans.

The most illuminating commentss came from Dani Pedrosa. He talked about his arm for a couple of minutes as expected but then got onto the bike. He was a lot more worried about the bike than he was about his arm, and he talked about it for longer. He didn't know why he crashed and when I asked if the problem was corner entry or traction coming out he said "Both." As British journo Neil Spalding pointed out at the time, bringing four chassis to Sepang II for Marquez to test wasn't a sign of strength, it was a sign of weakness and confusion.

As the championship gets into the meat of the season there are a couple of things we know for certain: the Ducatis will get faster and the Yamahas will work everywhere they go. I wonder who'll win the constructors' championship?

ENDS

[Autech]

The most illuminating commentss came from Dani Pedrosa. He talked about his arm for a couple of minutes as expected but then got onto the bike. He was a lot more worried about the bike than he was about his arm, and he talked about it for longer. He didn't know why he crashed and when I asked if the problem was corner entry or traction coming out he said "Both." As British journo Neil Spalding pointed out at the time, bringing four chassis to Sepang II for Marquez to test wasn't a sign of strength, it was a sign of weakness and confusion.

Very odd to see any of the top riders go down even when they've been off the bike for a few rounds like Dani had. It was when I noticed all the Honda's start to drop like flys I realised that the front end was not very good. Marquez looked very uncomfortable and came very close to loosing it, he truly is the luckiest rider out there not to end up on the floor every race.

Yamaha for the championship but who? Gone are the days when Lorenzo chucked it down the road when Rossi was challenging him... Gunna be a good'un!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yamaha for the championship but who? !

MM for the title.

[carbonhed]

MM for the title.

Big call! Lorenzo for me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Big call! Lorenzo for me.

I reckon. But I'd also like to see Lorenzo win another. Prefer Dovi too though, as he's the only one that'll give me a return. Highly unlikely though.

[Reckless]

Prefer Dovi too though, as he's the only one that'll give me a return. Highly unlikely though.

They could find something on that Ducati in the next race that could change the whole season, its not far off.
Especially in light of the roll reversal that Honda and Yamaha are having? Who would of thought Honda couldn't get their bike to handle?
MM is starting to get desperate from couple of those moves last race wondering how his head is and if he'll stay upright if they cant find a solution?

Still want Rossi to prove he's the goat, just for us old fellas. Even with him the pressure is showing his negatives ie his lack of qualifying lap pace.

I say back your man at this stage. Anything else is futile this season Damn good Championship so far :)

[carbonhed]

They could find something on that Ducati in the next race that could change the whole season, its not far off.
Especially in light of the roll reversal that Honda and Yamaha are having? Who would of thought Honda couldn't get their bike to handle?
MM is starting to get desperate from couple of those moves last race wondering how his head is and if he'll stay upright if they cant find a solution?

Still want Rossi to prove he's the goat, just for us old fellas. Even with him the pressure is showing his negatives ie his lack of qualifying lap pace.

I say back your man at this stage. Anything else is futile this season Damn good Championship so far :)

I was going to say exactly that... so I won't bother.

Ducati have been testing at Mugello recently... think that was where Crazy Joe screwed his arm... so that could be really interesting.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Damn good Championship so far :)

Be great to see three or four of them going hammer and tongs at the pointy end of the championship.

[Autech]

MM for the title.

Naaaahhhh, too much heat for him this year, he only just squeezed out a title in 2013 by knocking people off and out of the way :oi-grr:.
Last year he was unstoppable for the first half of the season then not fantastic for the 2nd... You wont get me singing his song ever though.

Lets see how she goes though, no money on any of it so I will keep my mind open and cheer on my man Dani the unlucky.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Naaaahhhh, too much heat for him this year, he only just squeezed out a title in 2013 by knocking people off and out of the way :oi-grr:.
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You must be watching different races than me. 2013 Lorenzo was way more aggressive than MM, and MM had to cope with an incredible amount of pressure at the last round. Front end issues won't help at Mugello though...so hopefully they can get that thing sorted.

[BMWST?]

Who would of thought Honda couldn't get their bike to handle?

twas ever thus.....a good bike one season is not so good the next,last years pig is this years lipstick......its an art still,not a science.a chasis that is slightly to rigid is no good ..I reckon MM had front brake issues,maybe caused by the first lap bump?
Dont write him or honda of yet,he should have shown you fellas by now that its not just luck that causes him not to crash.Remeber a couple of seasons ago the Hondas were crap at first with chatter..they fixed that pronto

[carbonhed]

[QUOTE=BMWST?;1130865878
Dont write him or honda of yet,he should have shown you fellas by now that its not just luck that causes him not to crash.Remeber [/QUOTE]

True that. He's a God no question. Is he a big enough God to overcome a cranky bike and beat the other God's.

I love the way he can arrow that bike down to the apex and it's just crashing all the way down... but not.

[pritch]

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/May/150521rydernotes.htm

[puddytat]

..I reckon MM had front brake issues,maybe caused by the first lap bump?


That's what I reckon......
Rossi for the title ,whorehay & Dovi as the bridesmaids.

[pritch]

Rossi for the title ,whorehay & Dovi as the bridesmaids.

I'd love that. I'd even shout Crasher a beer as some small consolation. Right now though Dovi isn't such a long shot for the title, things have been changing fast this year. Pre-season MM looked unbeatable. Then Rossi had a great resurgence of form. Latterly Lorenzo leaps into contention. So far though Dovi has been there or thereabout.

Here's hoping none of the homeboys gets carried away by the big occasion at Mugello and fucks things up for themselves or for one of the others.

[roogazza]

I'd love that. I'd even shout Crasher a beer as some small consolation. Right now though Dovi isn't such a long shot for the title, things have been changing fast this year. Pre-season MM looked unbeatable. Then Rossi had a great resurgence of form. Latterly Lorenzo leaps into contention. So far though Dovi has been there or thereabout.

Here's hoping none of the homeboys gets carried away by the big occasion at Mugello and fucks things up for themselves or for one of the others.

I'll drop in on Crasher with a decent coffee if Rossi can do 10 Titles myself. :yes::shifty:
MM is such a talent I wouldn't put any dosh on that yet tho.
pritch ,is that post of Ryder the same as mine but with a photo ?
It's a pensioner thing ?:laugh:

[pritch]

is that post of Ryder the same as mine but with a photo ?
It's a pensioner thing ?:laugh:

:doh: It is indeed. At the time I posted it I recalled yours as being from Motomatters - wrong again. Sometimes I think there's an echo in here, people post things after it has already been covered, but this time I'm the guilty one.

I hope it's not a pensioner thing 'cause I do worry myself sometimes. For perspective, in the book "Fifty Years a Fisherman" by Richard Gordon, author of "Doctor In The House" etc etc, he worries obsessively throughout the book about leaving his fly open after taking a pee. Ultimately he decides that isn't important, as long as he can remember to undo his fly before he has a pee.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'll drop in on Crasher with a decent coffee if Rossi can do 10 Titles myself. :yes::shifty:
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You've only got a week left to do it! Tis my last ever Saturday at WMCC today!

[merv]

Tis my last ever Saturday at WMCC today!

Bugger eh Pete!

Any plans coming to fruition yet?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bugger eh Pete!

Any plans coming to fruition yet?

What plans?

[roogazza]

You've only got a week left to do it! Tis my last ever Saturday at WMCC today!

Keep us in the loop, huh. Many,many memories for ya!
I rarely get to Wgton nowdays.Apart from heading to the airport and long term parking. :mellow:
ciao G.

[roogazza]

:doh: It is indeed. At the time I posted it I recalled yours as being from Motomatters - wrong again. Sometimes I think there's an echo in here, people post things after it has already been covered, but this time I'm the guilty one.

I hope it's not a pensioner thing 'cause I do worry myself sometimes. For perspective, in the book "Fifty Years a Fisherman" by Richard Gordon, author of "Doctor In The House" etc etc, he worries obsessively throughout the book about leaving his fly open after taking a pee. Ultimately he decides that isn't important, as long as he can remember to undo his fly before he has a pee.

I can't access 'matters' at the mo, maybe you have to pay now ?
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[pritch]

I can't access 'matters' at the mo, maybe you have to pay now ?


He had some trouble a day or two ago but it seems alright now.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Keep us in the loop, huh. Many,many memories for ya!
I rarely get to Wgton nowdays.Apart from heading to the airport and long term parking. :mellow:
ciao G.

Will do mate. May go round and help out at Boyles for a bit if they need it.

[merv]

What plans?
I would have thought you figured on some job in ChCh if that's where you have a love interest lol :cool:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I would have thought you figured on some job in ChCh if that's where you have a love interest lol :cool:

Lol. Nah. She's coming to Wellington mate.

[merv]

Lol. Nah. She's coming to Wellington mate.

Okay that makes it easier, now just the job to sort huh!

[Autech]

You must be watching different races than me. 2013 Lorenzo was way more aggressive than MM, and MM had to cope with an incredible amount of pressure at the last round. Front end issues won't help at Mugello though...so hopefully they can get that thing sorted.

He responded in kind I think, we all remember Lorenzo corner in Jerez...


True that. He's a God no question. Is he a big enough God to overcome a cranky bike and beat the other God's.

I love the way he can arrow that bike down to the apex and it's just crashing all the way down... but not.

His style is feking amazing, he certainly rides that bike fantastically, the way he chucks it in yet doesn't chuck it down the road...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Okay that makes it easier, now just the job to sort huh!

Better start actually looking eh!


He responded in kind I think, we all remember Lorenzo corner in Jerez...
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Lorenzo left the door open, MM invited himself in. Was nothing wrong with that act.

[Autech]

Haha if you call bouncing off another bike just to make the corner a door open, sure :P. Btw I watched that race again last week for a laugh. 2013 was epic!


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[Reckless]

Haha if you call bouncing off another bike just to make the corner a door open, sure :P. Btw I watched that race again last week for a laugh. 2013 was epic!


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I think you'll find the field is getting less and less tolerant of the way MM barges through.
Starting with Rossi's lead and then Lorenzo last year and also Iannone last race they all seem prepared to go down instead of letting his tactics dominate them these days.
Its just his insane skill of judging that fine line thats saving him atm, but sooner or later he will bring someone down imho especially if he's over riding a bad handling bike. Things are getting a little bit of a Simoncelli look about them as far as MM is concerned I hope he pulls it back a notch.

[Drew]

I think you'll find the field is getting less and less tolerant of the way MM barges through.
Starting with Rossi's lead and then Lorenzo last year and also Iannone last race they all seem prepared to go down instead of letting his tactics dominate them these days.
Its just his insane skill of judging that fine line thats saving him atm, but sooner or later he will bring someone down imho especially if he's over riding a bad handling bike. Things are getting a little bit of a Simoncelli look about them as far as MM is concerned I hope he pulls it back a notch.

He rides like a bully. There is nothing wrong with that, and everyone else is starting to push back. You will see a change in his riding style, but only because it will become less and less effective.

Rossi did it, Stoner did it (when the field could kep up and he had to), Jorge did it, along with many others. When they are establishing dominance, I believe it to be subconscious for them. Lots of riders over the years have had the attitude but not the talent. Simoncelli, Fabrizio, and many more.

Noted exception would be Dani Pedrosa. Has the talent, but rides like a gentleman.

[Reckless]

He rides like a bully. There is nothing wrong with that, and everyone else is starting to push back. You will see a change in his riding style, but only because it will become less and less effective.

Rossi did it, Stoner did it (when the field could kep up and he had to), Jorge did it, along with many others. When they are establishing dominance, I believe it to be subconscious for them. Lots of riders over the years have had the attitude but not the talent. Simoncelli, Fabrizio, and many more.

Noted exception would be Dani Pedrosa. Has the talent, but rides like a gentleman.

Indeed Drew, agree :) The reason why DP hasnt been able to crack a tittle I reckon.

BTW how the fuck are you being so rational on a Sunday after your BD drinks??

[Drew]

Indeed Drew, agree :) The reason why DP hasnt been able to crack a tittle I reckon.

BTW how the fuck are you being so rational on a Sunday after your BD drinks??
Got a bit boozed on Friday, recovered yesterday.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, Stoner did it .

Only person I ever recall Stoner roughing up was DePuniet.

[pritch]

Most impressive record with regard to bullying that comes to mind was Biaggi, he liked to give all newcomers the message. He did it to Hayden when #69 arrived on the scene, post race Hayden reportedly had Biaggi by the thoat against a truck with fist cocked as he gave Biaggi the "Come to Jesus" talk.

Biaggi did it to Rossi too, but apparently Rossi's response went to the next level. We got to hear it but alas we didn't get to see it.

[Autech]

I think you'll find the field is getting less and less tolerant of the way MM barges through.
Starting with Rossi's lead and then Lorenzo last year and also Iannone last race they all seem prepared to go down instead of letting his tactics dominate them these days.
Its just his insane skill of judging that fine line thats saving him atm, but sooner or later he will bring someone down imho especially if he's over riding a bad handling bike. Things are getting a little bit of a Simoncelli look about them as far as MM is concerned I hope he pulls it back a notch.

Too right, first race was a good example, Marquez cocked up and ran wide then bashed into one of the Aprillia's causing it to fault on the way back up. Really rude when he has 1000 times the bike and could have gotten through cleanly had he wanted to.


Most impressive record with regard to bullying that comes to mind was Biaggi, he liked to give all newcomers the message. He did it to Hayden when #69 arrived on the scene, post race Hayden reportedly had Biaggi by the thoat against a truck with fist cocked as he gave Biaggi the "Come to Jesus" talk.

Biaggi did it to Rossi too, but apparently Rossi's response went to the next level. We got to hear it but alas we didn't get to see it.

We all saw Rossi's response to Marquez this year. Don't fuck with the Doctor!