MotoGP 2015

[husaberg]

I know he had a full day test on a NSR500 at Philip Island as reward for winning the 8 hour maybe.
Mick Doohan turned up to see how he was going and gave him some tips etc.
Mick took Aarons Superbike out and did like 5 laps and lapped faster than Slight ever had, oooppps :laugh:

He had a couple of sessions was on par with a couple of the other regular riders also Honda mounted who were vastly more experienced on the NSR500 (as in a couple of seasons)
I actually said it a couple of pages back.:laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I actually said it a couple of pages back.:laugh:

How many pages is your lil black book then?

[Shaun Harris]

Who would Mr Honda look at to replace Dani?

This guy ..... Maverick Vinales

http://media.crash.net/original/PA1625387.0008.jpg


He has a Very BIG future I think

[pritch]

You inferred A h1R was not a like a 500cc 2 stroke GP bike.

English as she is wrote proper... He may have implied that (or not). You may have inferred something from his statement (or not).

Incorrect use of the words infer and imply is a pet peeve of mine. Just sayin'. :whistle:

[Autech]

Lets hope Mav stays on the Suzuki and they make it good enough to win the championship, I've grown fond of the new bike this year, seems like they have their heads screwed on with the development. Him and ESA are probably one of the stronger pairings in the paddock when it comes to untapped talent, given the bike they will be champions.

[Shaun Harris]

Lets hope Mav stays on the Suzuki and they make it good enough to win the championship, I've grown fond of the new bike this year, seems like they have their heads screwed on with the development. Him and ESA are probably one of the stronger pairings in the paddock when it comes to untapped talent, given the bike they will be champions.



Agreed. No special gear box yet either! That alone gives them a heap of time once introduced. No Blow ups since testing ended as such, so they are getting there big time. Maverick is the over all better ( Long term for groth) of the 2 current riders imo

[Autech]

Agreed. No special gear box yet either! That alone gives them a heap of time once introduced. No Blow ups since testing ended as such, so they are getting there big time. Maverick is the over all better ( Long term for groth) of the 2 current riders imo

He sure is, though putting an open class bike on the front row multiple times as well as getting a podium once is nothing to be sneezed at. :2thumbsup

[Shaun Harris]

He sure is, though putting an open class bike on the front row multiple times as well as getting a podium once is nothing to be sneezed at. :2thumbsup


Yea Nah, there is that soft tyre advantage they have like Soft cock Ducati still has also, after all there years in the game, bahahaha I laughed when they made there call for which class title to race under

[husaberg]

English as she is wrote proper... He may have implied that (or not). You may have inferred something from his statement (or not).

Incorrect use of the words infer and imply is a pet peeve of mine. Just sayin'. :whistle:

Well then,maybe you and hitcher should go on a crusade together.
It does not change the fact his statement and those after were wrong.

[Shaun Harris]

Dont feed the TROLLS people

[J.A.W.]

Dont feed the TROLLS people


Goose sauce.. or what, eh.. oh the irony.. put that one straight in the pot-kettle-black dept..
( aint sarcasm, isit? Nah..but yeah.. whatever.. still, too bloody funny..)

When does FFP start at Misano? Sometime this arvo?

[pritch]

When does FFP start at Misano? Sometime this arvo?

No, next week.

[Autech]

Yea Nah, there is that soft tyre advantage they have like Soft cock Ducati still has also, after all there years in the game, bahahaha I laughed when they made there call for which class title to race under

Haha, yup. They could have fixed the issue a few years back by offering Stoner $100 million to stay with them, he rode that Ducati well when he wasn't busy falling off in the warm up lap :shit:. I do remember our current NZSBK champion doing that once though when he was on a 125 and Hampton downs.

Still even with the soft tyre those open class bikes had fark all grunt (I'd still shit myself on one) compared to what he was up against. Part of it was a bit of tailgating too though from memory.

Didn't he put the Suzuki on the front without using the soft tyre option a few rounds back though? And Mav was just behind him too.
Go Suzuki!

[Shaun Harris]

Haha, yup. They could have fixed the issue a few years back by offering Stoner $100 million to stay with them, he rode that Ducati well when he wasn't busy falling off in the warm up lap :shit:. I do remember our current NZSBK champion doing that once though when he was on a 125 and Hampton downs.

Still even with the soft tyre those open class bikes had fark all grunt (I'd still shit myself on one) compared to what he was up against. Part of it was a bit of tailgating too though from memory.

Didn't he put the Suzuki on the front without using the soft tyre option a few rounds back though? And Mav was just behind him too.
Go Suzuki!



I do NOT keep a little black book for key board hero posts sorry man, and since my new memory retention is fuked, I have no idea to be honest. They deff still need to slip stream, I think they were about 7 KPH down on Tech 3 yams in last race, which is not bad and getting better. Suzuki being the smallest of the 4 japa's, does not have the money the others have, so I think they are doing awsome. But I am Naturally Suzuki Biased. HAHA and Kawasaki are just cowards!

[J.A.W.]

Weird how I didn't know what an H1R was eh?

Fuck me dead then...would you look at this!!!!

Fuck we had a good laugh about you at work today. As Mark said today..."if you'd forgotten what an H1R is, I'd sack ya". You just stick yo uncle google...


Hey C-k, look what popped up on Google, can you confirm..is it an H1R?

http://www.4x4tuff.com/ctsme8.html

If we build a Moto GP bike around it, maybe KC Stoneking would come back & play?

[Shaun Harris]

CRASHER, Ignore this TROLL dude. Let IT amuse it self- It is a Nothing! You have prooven history on the race track, in the bike shops, and on here, IT is just a virus

[J.A.W.]

CRASHER, Ignore this TROLL dude. Let IT amuse it self- It is a Nothing! You have prooven history on the race track, in the bike shops, and on porn sites, IT is just a virus

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This M-D - "Troll dude...virus " - well, since it apparently can't take its own advice, likely -be best to just ignore it, C-k..
( & IT puts the lotion in the godamn basket, elsin'-wise IT gits the hose - again.. L.O.L...)

Others can have a bit of fun, such as..

Has a Suzuki 4T G.P. bike - ever won a dry race? ( AFAIR, Vermeulen's wet win was just 'bout it?)
I wonder why they didn't go better - in the wet - last weekend.. mayhaps they shoulda put Westy on board..

[Crasherfromwayback]

CRASHER, Ignore this TROLL dude. Let IT amuse it self- It is a Nothing! You have prooven history on the race track, in the bike shops, and on here, IT is just a virus

Hah. Mate...he and husaloser have given me more laffs in this thread than I've had in years.

[husaberg]

Hah. Mate...he and husaloser have given me more laffs in this thread than I've had in years.

Well thanks seeing as your fingers are now far to fat to type RGB confusing it with a RGV500 not once but twice in a post and you also have lapses of the old scone memory bank where you forget what a bike you should know is a 500 gp bike.
Your are welcome Pete.

If you want another chuckle I suggest you drop your tweeds and have a gander at your we willy winkie:eek:
PS no I haven't found the mag and I don't know where else to bloody look either.

[Erelyes]

Agreed. No special gear box yet either! That alone gives them a heap of time once introduced. No Blow ups since testing ended as such, so they are getting there big time. Maverick is the over all better ( Long term for groth) of the 2 current riders imo

Yeah, when do they get that? Be a smart time to put $$$ on one of the Zook riders for a podium...

[J.A.W.]

Hah. Mate...he and husaloser have given me more laffs in this thread than I've had in years.

Its IT.. not he.. mate.. geddit bloody right.. or IT gets a skinnin'.. flayed - alive.. hahah..aaahh..

& who don't need "more laffs" - your foolery is for sure.. good for an L.O.L...

Anyhow.. Moto GP-wise.. Spewzuki aint got shit-show of a podium.. in Italia..

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah, when do they get that? Be a smart time to put $$$ on one of the Zook riders for a podium...


last thing I read about it, they mentioned in the next Month if my memory is working

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your are welcome Pete.



It's either you are welcome, or you're welcome. Seeing as you like to be so pedantic.

You're welcome. Twat.

[Shaun Harris]

Hah. Mate...he and husaloser have given me more laffs in this thread than I've had in years.



Good on ya then. Any wanker ( That will not let me know he he really is) that is gunna take the piss out of me and my head injury and meds reqd, will stay a TROLL to me forever and just ignored. To clarify my comment. It is Just a wanker from Australia I was talking about,.

[husaberg]

It's either you are welcome, or you're welcome. Seeing as you like to be so pedantic.

You're welcome. Twat.

As I said before, tis the small things in life that are amusing Pete.;)

[J.A.W.]

Seeing as you like to be so pedantic.

You're welcome. Twat.

Pol Pot-kettle-black.. or what.. L.O.L....

& as for Suzuki putting Percy on the bloody podium.. put some $ up.. or shut.. up.. ( I'll bet the TAB'll take your money..)

[Crasherfromwayback]

As I said before, tis the small things in life that are amusing Pete.;)

You must get hours of entertainment out of your cock then.

[Crasherfromwayback]

& as for Suzuki putting Percy on the bloody podium.. put some $ up.. or shut.. up.. ( I'll bet the TAB'll take your money..)

Masturbation makes you blind they say. Not sure WTF you're talking about there.

[J.A.W.]

Good on ya then. Any wanker ( That will not let me know he he really is) that is gunna take the piss out of me and my head injury and meds reqd, will stay a TROLL to me forever and just ignored

Whatarya.. somewhere near Taupo aint it.. 1/2 barin, sorry 1/2, possibly 62% brain.. din't wanna confuzya, eh fella..

Stop bloody sookin' it & restin' on your laurels too.. ya bastard..

Pull ya head in fella, & enjoy the buzz, or get some REAL meds.. or.. ride.. & enjoy the buzz even so..

[J.A.W.]

You must get hours of entertainment out of your cock then.

i get CENTURIES worth outa mine.. so what.. ( I do enjoy a ride, even with a decent bike, too), esp' if she's a 2T..

[Shaun Harris]

Whatarya.. somewhere near Taupo aint it.. 1/2 barin, sorry 1/2, possibly 62% brain.. din't wanna confuzya, eh fella..

Stop bloody sookin' it & restin' on your laurels too.. ya bastard..

Pull ya head in fella, & enjoy the buzz, or get some REAL meds.. or.. ride.. & enjoy the buzz even so..


Man up and pm me who you are, or I have nothing to say to you on here after this post. The people that have taken the piss out of me on here for a while now, I know whom they are at least, but I will not reply anymore to a No body I have no idea about, apart from the dribble read on here so far.

Man up, or fuk off dude

[husaberg]

You must get hours of entertainment out of your cock then.

I beat you to that punchline a few posts back Pete Keep up,I hear they have pills now old fella................

[J.A.W.]

Man up and pm me who you are, or I have nothing to say to you on here after this post. The people that have taken the piss out of me on here for a while now, I know whom they are at least, but I will not reply anymore to a No body I have no idea about, apart from the dribble read on here so far.

Man up, or fuk off dude

I can do better than that.. dude..( & fuck yo'self, eh fella, real regula like.. it might do you some good, thats real advice..)- as might pulling.. your head in be.. but.. anyhow..

I am.. whatever.. you think.. I am.. or.. want me to be..

hope taht hepls..\

Of course, you could've P.M.'d me, rather than all those doing all those incite oriented.. ( quite different from insight) posts..

[Crasherfromwayback]

I beat you to that punchline a few posts back Pete Keep up,I hear they have pills now old fella................

Must've missed that one sorry. You can have that victory then, alongside the Glenn Williams one from your ten year old black book of arguments I've had.

No I must ask a serious question. Two actually.

How old are you?

Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend?

Answer truthfully please.

[J.A.W.]

Must've missed that one sorry. You can have that victory then, alongside the Glenn Williams one from your ten year old black book of arguments I've had.

No I must ask a serious question. Two actually.

How old are you?

Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend?

Answer truthfully please.

Why? Have you got a Viagra hard on for him? L.O.L...

C.f. "Are you old enough" by Dragon.. ( obviously I am.. so I dont get an invite..)

[BuzzardNZ]

Must've missed that one sorry. You can have that victory then, alongside the Glenn Williams one from your ten year old black book of arguments I've had.

No I must ask a serious question. Two actually.

How old are you?

Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend?

Answer truthfully please.

I'll answer of his behalf...

1) Old , but with the IQ of a retarded chimp.

2) Yes. Ed

[husaberg]

Must've missed that one sorry. You can have that victory then, alongside the Glenn Williams one from your ten year old black book of arguments I've had.

No I must ask a serious question. Two actually.

How old are you?

Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend?

Answer truthfully please.

1)I don't think I am your type
2) I am out of your league anyway.
3) I suspect your motives are not honourable
4) No Milk and two sugars.

Pretty sure its on my profile anyway.

[Madness]

I reckon;

1) 59 and three-quarters
2) Wife, Vietnamese or Cambodian, vewy rittle engrish

Bonus points; Looks something like this...

[BuzzardNZ]

1)I don't think I am your type
2) I am out of your league anyway.
3) I suspect your motives are not honourable
4) No Milk and two sugars.

Pretty sure its on my profile anyway.

you added 3 and 4 since I last saw jew boy :rolleyes:

[J.A.W.]

I'll answer of his behalf...

1) Old , but with the IQ of a retarded chimp.

2) Yes. Ed

Hey Blowfly..

You wish you could approach head injury chimp level of intelect..

Let alone natural born idiot savant..L.O.L...

[Crasherfromwayback]

1I don't think I am your type
2 I am out of your league anyway.

Pretty sure its on my profile anyway.

Definitely not. I enjoy intelligent conversation.

Yep. My league is the opposite sex.

Have never bothered to look.

Why don't you simply answer the questions? Do you want/need people to go and check your profile?

[husaberg]

Definitely not. I enjoy intelligent conversation.

Yep. My league is the opposite sex.

Have never bothered to look.

Why don't you simply answer the questions? Do you want/need people to go and check your profile?

See three............

[J.A.W.]

Definitely not. I enjoy intelligent conversation.

Yep.

Why don't you simply answer the questions? Do you want/need

"I used to only want - but now I need"? Buzzcocks! L.O.L...

[puddytat]

I reckon;

1) 59 and three-quarters
2) Wife, Vietnamese or Cambodian, vewy rittle engrish

Bonus points; Looks something like this...

Cool...just another bald fat cunt<_<:msn-wink:

[Laava]

"I used to only want - but now I need"? Buzzcocks! L.O.L...

Has anyone ever told you, you are really funny!

[Madness]

Has anyone ever told you, you are really funny!

Please don't encourage the Australian.

[J.A.W.]

Please don't encourage the Australian.

WTF.. you aint seen my passport, bitch..

[BuzzardNZ]

Hey Blowfly..

You wish you could approach head injury chimp level of intelect..

Let alone natural born idiot savant..L.O.L...

I've had a friendly argument with an idiot savant ( very smart autism ) before and while I gave it a good go, I knew when to give up ( you just can't win! ).

If you are one with a bike fetish ( especially the 2 stroke motogp era ) , God ( or Ed ) help this thread :brick:

[Madness]

WTF.. you aint seen my passport, bitch..

That doesn't count. You're a fuckwit, much tidier for everyone involved if you're 100% True Blue Aussie, Cobber.

[J.A.W.]

Has anyone ever told you, you are really funny!

Hell yeah.. I laugh like .. FUCK!

[J.A.W.]

I've had a friendly argument with an idiot savant ( very smart autism ) before and while I gave it a good go, I knew when to give up ( you just can't win! ).

If you are one with a bike fetish ( especially the 2 stroke motogp era ) , God ( or Ed ) help this thread :brick:

No! Its you who can't win.. but only because you are the idiot.. (sans savant)..

Any reasonable motorcycle rider KNOWS 2Ts are best for racebikes.. Duh..

[Laava]

Hell yeah.. I laugh like .. FUCK!

They lied.

[J.A.W.]

They lied.

Who are they?

You do!

[puddytat]

I'd say he either left N.Z in the 70s or immigrated to Afuckingfailure as a kid from some shit hole of a town in the midlands. Maybe...

[Erelyes]

Right, so let's presume 1-2's from Yamma, no injuries, no bike blowups, noone starting when the reds go on instead of out, noones visor fogging up....

VR's ahead by 12 now...

Misano - VR confidently (home country, and VR beat JL here last year)
Aragon - JL confidently (home country, and JL won last year, VR DNF)
Motegi - JL slim margin (won last year, VR +2.6)
Fiwip Island - VR confidently (won over JL by over 10 secs last year)
Truly Asia - VR slim margin (2nd last year, just ahead of JL in third)

Coming into Valencia, based on that guesswork, VR would be ahead by 17pts?

JL didn't finish there last year and rossi was second... Home country for JL though, but even if he won, Rossi could finish somewhere in the top few and be fine.

Added to which Rossi has been hitting podiums non stop for how many races now...

So why is JL $1.70 at the TAB and VR is $2.05 for the championship at the mo?

[Laava]

Who are they?

You do!

Are you 12?

[J.A.W.]

I'd say he either left N.Z in the 70s or immigrated to Afuckingfailure as a kid from some shit hole of a town in the midlands. Maybe...

Oh you scamps with your wistful/wishful fantasies.. if only you knew how good looking,& talented I am,
& how many hot chickies I've rooted & how many hot bikes I've hammer'd .. you'd think I was a bloody Yank.. nevermind.. L.O.L...

[Laava]

you'd think I was a bloody Yank.. ...

Yep, we do....that explains why you are so completely full of yourself.

[J.A.W.]

Are you 12?

You perve.. you are on the wrong site.. well.. on the the wrong thread.. anyway..

[J.A.W.]

Yep, we do....that explains why you are so completely full of yourself.

Reasonably satisfied by dint of your own efforts/skills is cool.. its way better than pervy checking out of 12 year olds.. L.O.L..

[husaberg]

Yep, we do....that explains why you are so completely full of yourself.

Likely the first ever Australian with that affliction;)

[Laava]

You perve.. you are on the wrong site.. well.. on the the wrong thread.. anyway..

You think I am on the wrong site? I am on a motorcycle forum. But there appears to be a jabbering idiot whose mummy gave him too much fanta before bedtime.

[Laava]

Likely the first ever Australian with that affliction;)

Was that sarcasm?

[J.A.W.]

Right, so let's presume 1-2's from Yamma, no injuries, no bike blowups, noone starting when the reds go on instead of out, noones visor fogging up....

VR's ahead by 12 now...

Misano - VR confidently (home country, and VR beat JL here last year)
Aragon - JL confidently (home country, and JL won last year, VR DNF)
Motegi - JL slim margin (won last year, VR +2.6)
Fiwip Island - VR confidently (won over JL by over 10 secs last year)
Truly Asia - VR slim margin (2nd last year, just ahead of JL in third)

Coming into Valencia, based on that guesswork, VR would be ahead by 17pts?

JL didn't finish there last year and rossi was second... Home country for JL though, but even if he won, Rossi could finish somewhere in the top few and be fine.

Added to which Rossi has been hitting podiums non stop for how many races now...

So why is JL $1.70 at the TAB and VR is $2.05 for the championship at the mo?



Factor in money interests figuring on Honda doing what is needful to stiff V.R from the Championship..

However, it might be worth putting a quid on - on the basis of your analysis.. now..

[J.A.W.]

Was that sarcasm?

A cat will beat a rat.. racing or biting/clawing.. you lose, sucker..

[BuzzardNZ]

A cat will beat a rat.. racing or biting/clawing.. you lose, sucker..

savant response:innocent:

[J.A.W.]

savant response:innocent:

Lamo response..from another loser..

[husaberg]

Was that sarcasm?

No never, isn't he the first then.............

[J.A.W.]

No never, isn't he the first then.............

You basterd.. Of course I bloody am..
How dare you attempt to deflate my well endowed ego - in such a rude & flagrant disregard of board propriety..

(& that, of course, sportsfans is irony.. well - as far as you know)..

[Laava]

You basterd.. Of course I bloody am..
How dare you attempt to deflate my well endowed ego - in such a rude & flagrant disregard of board propriety..

You are the Rain Man

[puddytat]

:yawn:.....hits ignore button

[J.A.W.]

You are the Rain Man

Duh.. & you'd be a scientologist? Must be - to come to that amazing conclusion..

[Laava]

What?...you should get an adult to proof read your posts young fulla

[J.A.W.]

:yawn:.....hits ignore button

Good call.. ( but next time just bloody do it, orright.. since nobody else cares, & you already know)..

[husaberg]

You basterd.. Of course I bloody am..
How dare you attempt to deflate my well endowed ego - in such a rude & flagrant disregard of board propriety..

(& that, of course, sportsfans is irony.. well - as far as you know)..

It would be irony, if you were booked to go on a course in time management and you then arrived late to it as you got held up in traffic.

[J.A.W.]

What?...you should get an adult to proof read your posts young fulla

"hits ignore button" - but you already knew - that was a good call..

[J.A.W.]

It would be irony if you were ran late for a course in time management and you arrived late as you got held up in traffic.



&/or a coincidence.. but if you were a useless/hapless/luckless prick - it'd maybe/likely be sarcasm..

[Crasherfromwayback]

It would be irony if you were ran late for a course in time management and you arrived late as you got held up in traffic.

What's the English translation of that? I mean...I'm not responsible for what you type (whatever you name is). So you're how old? Single too I assume? I'm hoping you don't have a firearms licence. You seem more than a little unhinged. Lonely. Desperate for attention. Bullied at school? No real friends...in the real world? Unable to connect with the opposite sex? *If* that's actually your preference?

[codgyoleracer]

I learnt three more useful things from the Silverstone GP

1) I can wear my cloth hat in the pits again now (thanks Brad Pitt)
2) The wet is still great leveler - even with all the electrickery
3) Rossi takes one more step ever closer to i suspect one of his life goals - Ago's outright record

[pritch]

Rossi takes one more step ever closer to i suspect one of his life goals - Ago's outright record

A couple of years ago it seemed absolutely unattainable. It's still a mammoth task though: 10 more wins required IIRC?

[merv]

A couple of years ago it seemed to absolutely unattainable. It's still a mammoth task though: 10 more wins required IIRC?

Rossi's task has been so much harder because the races don't have people riding two classes or more these days. Ago could rack up 350 and 500cc wins the same weekend, though slightly compensating that is there are more rounds per year now.

[Shaun Harris]

Rossi's task has been so much harder because the races don't have people riding two classes or more these days. Ago could rack up 350 and 500cc wins the same weekend, though slightly compensating that is there are more rounds per year now.



Exactually, as well as the compitition in AGO's days, was no where near as = or hard as it is in the modern world. Ago was a great rider, but Rossi is the GOAT, full stop.

My favourite ever is still Eddie Lawson.

[J.A.W.]

V.R. cannot be GOAT..

Reason: Epic fail on Ducati..

KC - for all his prickly/brittle/waspishness was the only racer to really get much out of that recalcitrant dog..

So full credit to him - talent-wise - ( & to V.R. - for having the equanimity - to admit that too)..

[husaberg]

Exactually, as well as the compitition in AGO's days, was no where near as = or hard as it is in the modern world. Ago was a great rider, but Rossi is the GOAT, full stop.

My favourite ever is still Eddie Lawson.

I agree Lawson is incredibly underrated, his year on the NSR500 that was virtually unridable, but Lawson still won titles without taking unnecessary risks.
For pure talent though it has to have Swantz in the mix. I can still watch some stuff he did and be amazed at stuff he pulled off.(but greatly flawed with tactical riding)
Ago for all his success for most of his career rode under team orders that greatly favoured him.
Rossi and Hailwood and Doohan are my greatest of all time. Hailwood for pure talent, Doohan and Rossi had a lot more understanding of how to develop and set up a bike though.

Conversely if you asked Kenny Roberts after he mentioned himself he might say Rainey was.
If Jarno Saarinen hadn't been killed I do wonder what he would have achieved.
Same as Santiago Herrero

[Crasherfromwayback]

2) The wet is still great leveler - even with all the electrickery


Sure is. I used to love it.

[J.A.W.]

Sure is. I used to love it.

Me too, its a confidence thing.. even when commuting to work..

Teaches feel.. & how far you can push.. if your reaction times are quick enough, & you are not too ham-fisted..

I used to have other bike riders tell me that 2Ts "Must be hell in the wet".. but they aint..
- that lack of inertia, that 4Ts need a slipper clutch to deal with, works positively - in dicey traction situations..

It was odd to see M-M do that weird electro-wriggle-highside last weekend, kinda emulating - what stupidly snappish 500s - used to do in the dry..

[Shaun Harris]

Sure is. I used to love it.

I remember getting poll in SBK at Pukekohe by 1.9 seconds and poll in the 600 by 2.1 seconds one year in the pooring rain. The same year I was winning a lot in the dry also, and the talkwas, ya get faster in the wet when your carreer is nealy over bahahaha fuk tards. Fact of matter is, Most riders shit them selves in it, making it easier for the ones that do not ride on the limit

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fact of matter is, Most riders shit them selves in it, making it easier for the ones that do not ride on the limit

I used to use a black visor. Never looked so bad then. Think it helped!

[J.A.W.]

Funny - I recently went for a ride with a bloke who has a nice Ducati collection, & from time-to-time, he 'll give 'em a bit of stick..

We were on a section of newly re-smoothed & surfaced - lovely sweeping ( 140-160km/h) bends which were slick wet,
although the rain had gone.. I was behind him, & he was clearly leaving a nice swept tyre line, & thought, jeeze -he's a bit bolder than usual..

But I figured, if he can do it, so can I.. later when I told him this.. he was a bit shaken.. he'd thought it was dry, but just glistening dark,
due to being new real smooth tar seal.. sure hey, its a confidence thing - no dramas..

[Shaun Harris]

I used to use a black visor. Never looked so bad then. Think it helped!


I have actually done the same on occasions for mental support lol

[J.A.W.]

I have actually done the same on occasions for mental support lol

& very considerate of you too.. sparing those poor bastards who'd otherwise be - exposed to the horror - of your face.. L.O.L...

[pritch]

I used to use a black visor. Never looked so bad then. Think it helped!

Rossi does that too and I have wondered why. Perhaps you have provided the answer?

[Laava]

& very considerate of you too.. sparing those poor bastards who'd otherwise be - exposed to the horror - of your face.. L.O.L...

Are you an alcoholic?
Only I can just imagine you slurring everything you say with drool running out the side of your mouth. It kind of explains your random use of the english language.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi does that too and I have wondered why. Perhaps you have provided the answer?

Lol. Looks a lot scarier with a clear visor!

[J.A.W.]

Yeah, ol' Foggy the superbike guy.. he loved to do the 'mad-eyes' stare..

[J.A.W.]

Are you an alcoholic?
Only I can just imagine you slurring everything you say with drool running out the side of your mouth. It kind of explains your random use of the english language.

Hey Rat Scabies.. best you stop posting your strange fantasy notions about me.. & learn some vocabulary.. "random" don't fit..

[codgyoleracer]

Lol. Looks a lot scarier with a clear visor!

I used to stick with a clear one a i like to see everything, - The trick was that you had to make doubly sure you looked well ahead of where you were going, and i used to tell myself at every entry to get off the brake earlier than you 'think' you can, this made the load onto both wheels more even through the turn giving really good pitch control and consistent grip.
Once you get your rolling mid corner speed up i found using a higher gear in some turns handy also.

When you watched Rossi closely through the quick transition left / right turns at Silverstone - He had a fantastically smooth transition. He also 'bailed out' of retaining a tight exit line if he muffed up his entry/apex which is a very good risk management decision in the wet. Better to survive for the next corner rather than turn the bike too hard too early.

Like shaun said - some days you wondered why everybody was going so slow in the wet, but they were no doubt all trying damm hard in their own way, its just easier to ride fast in the wet once you get your head around the dynamics. And when you have done that - you become smooth, and with smoothness comes speed.

I have seen a polar oposite to this method though, Kyonari ? - i think on the Hanspree Fireblade at Donnington in the wet in qualifying. He was loose AND fast.

[Crasherfromwayback]

- you become smooth, and with smoothness comes speed.

I have seen a polar oposite to this method though, Kyonari ? - i think on the Hanspree Fireblade at Donnington in the wet in qualifying. He was loose AND fast.

Best display of wet weather dominance I've ever seen was Stoner at Silverstone. He simply blew everyone well and truly into the weeds. It was so wet and cold, I think everyone else had no heat into the tyres. He was so fast, I think his tyres maintained better grip levels.

[Laava]

Schwantz was bloody good in the wet too but he was one of those guys that crashed a lot as well.

[husaberg]

Schwantz was bloody good in the wet too but he was one of those guys that crashed a lot as well.

I don't know whether it was on the Rainey/Schwantz video or in an interview but I remember him saying early on beating them wasn't enough to win he wanted to destroy them.
Hence worse than just crashing, he actually crashed a lot while in podium positions.
He said he used to look at the pitboards and it would say 1 or three seconds and he would still push on even harder. It wasn't until later he realised that 3 second was half the length of some straights.
Best I have ever seen under brakes he could do the near impossible.
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That same year he nearly pulled off a last corner repeat at a following GP from miles back.

bugger it it will be here I guess
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[Autech]

Who is that chap that did the wild card in WSS a few years back and destroyed the regulars in the rain. Lorenzo Zanetti? I remember that aussie commentator calling it before the race start that he would win if it was wet. Mad wet skills.


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[yod]

Who is that chap that did the wild card in WSS a few years back and destroyed the regulars in the rain. Lorenzo Zanetti? I remember that aussie commentator calling it before the race start that he would win if it was wet. Mad wet skills.


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Yep, funny as fuck, it was Lorenzo Lanzi at Assen, 2012. Steve Martin was the commentator.

[codgyoleracer]

A couple of years ago it seemed absolutely unattainable. It's still a mammoth task though: 10 more wins required IIRC?

Yip,10 is still quite a mountain, 2 Year contract still though

[Shaun Harris]

Yip,10 is still quite a mountain, 2 Year contract still though


He WILL stay untill he achieves. Even if he needs to change brand again. ( SUZUKI) Satelite bike in the wet even, and he is in!!

[pritch]

Yep, funny as fuck, it was Lorenzo Lanzi at Assen, 2012. Steve Martin was the commentator.

Lanzi looked quite portly in his leathers compared to the rest but if you're that quick who cares.

As I've mentioned previously it's quite common in racing to see a new dude waaay up the field in a wet race - until they throw it up the road. Or dudette perhaps? Maria Herrera at Silverstone. Thereafter lesson learnt, normal service resumes.

Noted that the MotoGP riders were tending to avoid the paint at silverstone but that the Moto3 guys were more casual about that. They don't seem to know that you should avoid wet paint. It was Steve Martin who said something like, "In theory the paint has the same amount of grip as the track, but I don't trust that theory."
Sad that Martin is no longer in the commentary team he was the pick of the commentators we get here.

[J.A.W.]

Classic Kevin Schwantz moment from personal memory..

Back in `89, when Phillip Is. initially hosted the World Championship G.P. circus,
a Suzuki-mad mate of mine came over from NZ - to watch his hero - he was certain K.S. was gonna 'clean up'..

We got a great view from the grandstand set up overlooking Lukey Heights..

& K.S. - on the 1st lap.. duly.. threw it away, right in front of us.. buzzkiller.. or what..

The race itself was brilliant, Schwantz or no.. ( Kevin Magee could ride 'em 'sukis pretty good too)..

& Wayner Gardner wrestled that bearish NSR to victory, in a real intense - win or crash trying - effort..

[Shaun Harris]

Lanzi looked quite portly in his leathers compared to the rest but if you're that quick who cares.

As I've mentioned previously it's quite common in racing to see a new dude waaay up the field in a wet race - until they throw it up the road. Or dudette perhaps? Maria Herrera at Silverstone. Thereafter lesson learnt, normal service resumes.

Noted that the MotoGP riders were tending to avoid the paint at silverstone but that the Moto3 guys were more casual about that. They don't seem to know that you should avoid wet paint. It was Steve Martin who said something like, "In theory the paint has the same amount of grip as the track, but I don't trust that theory."
Sad that Martin is no longer in the commentary team he was the pick of the commentators we get here.


At quality tracks, the Paint is FINE pritch. The real issue with the paint strips is, often there are bumps as such, which do upset the bike to much in the wet to use them.

[J.A.W.]

Yep, funny as fuck, it was Lorenzo Lanzi at Assen, 2012. Steve Martin was the commentator.

Steve Martin.. Mario Lanza.. Bubba Zanetti.. Hollywooood!

Yanks don't even race in the rain at home.. ( & even motorcycle cops there can park up - when it rains..)

[sugilite]

My favourite ever is still Eddie Lawson.

He was my hero too, I did my best to model my ride style on his. He was so smooth he made winning races look like he was just popping down to the dairy to get bread and milk!

[J.A.W.]

Living not far from Mairangi Bay - back in the `70s.. it actually wasn't that uncommon to see Mike Hailwood doing just that..
He was a funny, friendly guy, not your typical miserable Pommy prick, by any means.. a real natural smoothy - as a racer, too..

[Oscar]

Back in `89, when Phillip Is. initially hosted the World Championship G.P. circus,
a Suzuki-mad mate of mine came over from NZ - to watch his hero - he was certain K.S. was gonna 'clean up'..




I watched that race from the pit wall.
I've still got my (250cc) pit pass, t shirt (doesn't fit anymore) and program.

[husaberg]

Exactually, as well as the compitition in AGO's days, was no where near as = or hard as it is in the modern world. Ago was a great rider, but Rossi is the GOAT, full stop.

My favourite ever is still Eddie Lawson.

I never got to see Spencer at his best, not even sure there is many videos either, but for a couple of years he was near unbeatable.
Shame due to circumstances (Arms) he was never able to recapture that early form.
I guess he was only of his era to ride and win the two premier classes simultaneously likely will also be the last ever to do it.

[J.A.W.]

Yeah, Freddy had skills, but was it arm.. or between-the-ears.. pump-up.. - problems - which slowed him down?

There is only one 'premier' class.. & I doubt that any rider capable of winning it - would wanna ride a - dumbed down - 600/4 Honda racer,as well -anyhow..

I thought it was funny that Honda inherited the 500 G.P. No 1 plate - by buying Steady Eddie.. he did go well on the Cagiva too, though..

[Drew]

It would be irony, if you were booked to go on a course in time management and you then arrived late to it as you got held up in traffic.

No. That's coincidence. Irony would be if you were the speaker at said course.

[J.A.W.]

No. That's coincidence. Irony would be if you were the speaker at said course.

&/Or a sarcastic prick..

[husaberg]

No. That's coincidence. Irony would be if you were the speaker at said course.

Jim Oin............

[J.A.W.]

Jim Oin............

He is a useless oirish prick.. & not even funny as a comedian, 'cept ironically..

[J.A.W.]

I watched that race from the pit wall.
I've still got my (250cc) pit pass, t shirt (doesn't fit anymore) and program.

Oh no.. not you & Donna too..
" Superbike - On my D".. l.o.l...

[pritch]

Yeah, Freddy had skills, but was it arm.. or between-the-ears.. pump-up.. - problems - which slowed him down?


Nerve damage might be a more plausible explanation. Similar to the problems suffered by Rossi and Spies? The surgeons could fix Rossi's, although it was apparently worse than they thought. Spies and Spencer were not so lucky.

[J.A.W.]

Nerve damage might be a more plausible explanation. Similar to the problems suffered by Rossi and Spies? The surgeons could fix Rossi's, although it was apparently worse than they thought. Spies and Spencer were not so lucky.


Yeah, being " ...not so lucky" - was one of Big-Ben's-Pies major issues.. ( either that, or it was a-between-the-ears problem for him, too)..

[yod]

Steve Martin.. Mario Lanza.. Bubba Zanetti.. Hollywooood!

Yanks don't even race in the rain at home.. ( & even motorcycle cops there can park up - when it rains..)

wow, 25 posts a day, you REALLY wanna get that post count up don't ya!!

don't worry, you'll get over it...

[Oscar]

Oh no.. not you & Donna too..
" Superbike - On my D".. l.o.l...

Step away from the bong.

[Oscar]

And in actual MotoGP news - Warren Willing is dead.
Great guy.
RIP

[roogazza]

I thought it was funny that Honda inherited the 500 G.P. No 1 plate - by buying Steady Eddie.. he did go well on the Cagiva too, though..

Gardner wasn't impressed at the time was he ?

But Lawson was champ in 88 for Yamaha and added another in 89 with Honda.

[husaberg]

Gardner wasn't impressed at the time was he ?

But Lawson was champ in 88 for Yamaha and added another in 89 with Honda.

No one told him until the press conference, he was a bit miffed to have it sprung on him one could say.

[J.A.W.]

No one told him until the press conference, he was a bit miffed to have it sprung on him one could say.

What.. did he hear.. 'bout Oscar & Donna?

( & so, yeah - I upgraded her from pit-bike, to superbike, so what)..

[J.A.W.]

wow, 25 posts a day, you REALLY wanna get that post count up don't ya!!

don't worry, you'll get over it...

Wow, here's a post count junkie..

& I'll "get over it"? - Whatayamean.. there.. aint no prizes for it? Dang..

[Laava]

What.. did he hear.. 'bout Oscar & Donna?

( & so, yeah - I upgraded her from pit-bike, to superbike, so what)..

What the fuck are you on?

[husaberg]

What the fuck are you on?

My best guess is it was about his GF (later wife I think) who was allegedly sleeping around about that time with a mechanic I think.
To be fair all those trailers look a lot alike.

[J.A.W.]

What the fuck are you on?

Rat Sak..

& Dr Egon Spengler sez, "yes, have some"..

[Laava]

Rat Sak..

& Dr Egon Spengler sez, "yes, have some"..

Is this you?
http://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-16-at-09.55.41.png

[J.A.W.]

My best guess is it was about his GF (later wife I think) who was allegedly sleeping around about that time with a mechanic I think.
To be fair all those trailers look a lot alike.

"Sleeping... a mechanic..."? Dunno 'bout that..
More like rooting.. around, like a bloody rabbit.. AFAIR.. ( Busted with a lousy filthy finger-nailed grease monkey though, sure..)

[J.A.W.]

Is this you?

Viz: you'd be .. old lady Brady.. ( FYI the active ingredient in Rat Sak is an actual prescription drug - for humans, kills rats dead, though..)

& as for being "irrelevant" - well, likely - your rodent brain is toxoplasmosis raddled, so you..

A, Miss understanding the topical references by heaps..
B, Miss the irony in your odd compelling obsession with me..
C, Present yourself for the chop, with each moronic interjection..

[Oscar]

Rat Sak..

& Dr Egon Spengler sez, "yes, have some"..

Serious question - why do you think you need to act like such a twat here?
I saw what you posted in the Classic section and it was damned interesting.
So why the fuckwit act on this thread?

[J.A.W.]

Serious question - why do you think you need to act like such a twat here?
I saw what you posted in the Classic section and it was damned interesting.
So why the fuckwit act on this thread?

Ask your bloody self - the same question 0..

( Didn't you notice the specific W.W. RIP thread?)..

Or to quote John Cleese.. "Shut up you silly bitch, its only a bit of fun!"

[Laava]

Viz: you'd be .. old lady Brady.. ( FYI the active ingredient in Rat Sak is an actual prescription drug - for humans, kills rats dead, though..)

& as for being "irrelevant" - well, likely - your rodent brain is toxoplasmosis raddled, so you..

A, Miss understanding the topical references by heaps..
B, Miss the irony in your odd compelling obsession with me..
C, Present yourself for the chop, with each moronic interjection..

Don't flatter yourself. You,re not interesting, just an unbelievable fuckwit. With bar.

[J.A.W.]

Don't flatter yourself. You,re not interesting, just an unbelievable fuckwit. With bar.

Oh, you.. tease.. don't get ratty, now.. maybe yod can do a count-back for ya..( & yeah, its a sure sign of Toxo'..)

[Oscar]

Ask your bloody self - the same question 0..

( Didn't you notice the specific W.W. RIP thread?)..

Or to quote John Cleese.. "Shut up you silly bitch, its only a bit of fun!"

No, I didn't notice the specific WW thread, but since this is the MotoGP it's still worth mentioning.

As for the rest, why don't you just calm down or fuck off to Rant & Rave section.

[puddytat]

:yawn:....what a boor.

[J.A.W.]

:yawn:....what a boor.


Yes he is, & a bore too, that bloody 0, - cheek of the bugger..

[J.A.W.]

No, I didn't notice the specific WW thread, but since this is the MotoGP it's still worth mentioning.

As for the rest, why don't you just calm down or fuck off to Rant & Rave section.

Well right back at ya..

If all you can do - rather than bother to bloody look .. is bitch & moan.. like a perseveratin' rat-faced git..

[Shaun Harris]

I keep telling ya all to stop feeding the Troll, he is a total fuk witt with some knoledge, and that is it. He is a sad lonely guy obviously, look at how many threads he has invaded to type his shit. Just ignore IT- If I can, anyone can FFS

[J.A.W.]

I keep telling ya all to stop feeding the Troll, he is a total fuk witt with some knoledge, and that is it. He is a sad lonely guy obviously, look at how many threads he has invaded to type his shit. Just ignore IT- If I can, anyone can FFS

Just can't help yourself huh.. back to the mirror too, little man.. (" IT puts the lotion in the basket...")

[J.A.W.]

And on ignore you go...

I wish.. just do.. it.. don't bloody promise it.. ( & then blow it, like Sharris..)

Was it the "filthy fingernailed grease monkey" thing? Awwwww...

[Oscar]

Since it seems to be of interest...I scanned some old pics...

https://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Favourites/i-5H5ZCp5/1/L/002-L.jpg https://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Favourites/i-WQ6Mg7L/1/L/004-L.jpg

[Oscar]

More from old Oz GP pics:

https://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Favourites/i-RM8xRX4/1/L/005-L.jpghttps://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Favourites/i-97Z2RXs/1/L/007-L.jpg

I hope I didn't obstruct Mr JAW's view from the stand...

[Oscar]

I realise I may not know as much about scooter racing as our Aussie friend but he made me go all nostalgic for early PI:

https://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Favourites/i-rcVhhg4/1/L/008-L.jpghttps://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Favourites/i-vbHS4Wc/1/L/009-L.jpghttps://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Favourites/i-NLGTxLD/1/L/010-L.jpg

Thank you for making me seek these snaps out and get to work on the scanner.

[husaberg]

I realise I may not know as much about scooter racing as our Aussie friend but he made me go all nostalgic for early PI:



Thank you for making me seek these snaps out and get to work on the scanner.

That's late 80's is it? going by Roche Cagiva
They sure got prettier as they got faster.

[Oscar]

That's late 80's is it? going by Roche Cagiva
They sure got prettier as they got faster.

1989.
I loved the way the bikes looked back then...

[husaberg]

1989.
I loved the way the bikes looked back then...

You heathen only after Lawson started did it reach lust level JIP
I can't even glance at the last few models without getting all day wood.

[Oscar]

Eddie was there. He came 5th.

[husaberg]

Eddie was there. He came 5th.
Yeah but on the Yam oh 89 that would be the year of the Honda. With its steering damper jammed onto full.
What year did Gardner crash and ride on? I used to have that poster.
Cagiva Jizz
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4842

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah but on the Yam oh 89 that would be the year of the Honda. With its steering damper jammed onto full.
What year did Gardner crash and ride on? I used to have that poster.
Cagiva Jizz
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4842


M Maladin was just to young when he had the Cagiva ride. Then he just stayed in the USA making himself a Zillionaire. Good on him though Eddie did rock on it though. Even Carl Fogerty did dam well on it, untill running out of fuel, stupid eye ties

[J.A.W.]

Thanks for the effort with the pix Oscar.. good stuff, I'll have to see if I can find/dig out mine now..

The sports fans were out in big numbers for that one, more than show up these days,
& you'd recall that year, Alan Bond even had his fat Swan blimp buzzing about..( no Donna jokes, she wasn't that bad.. well, not in that way..)

Wayne Gardner rode like he was possessed ( no drug testing back then, Hmmm), & won a hard fought race.. good stuff..
He did it again the next year, even breaking the fairing brackets from wresting the NSR manfully back in line, from a vicious tank-slapper..

The G.P. then went to Eastern Creek in Synney for a few years, - for a laugh, I checked the quickest laps list there,
& the current Aussie Superbike record is 'bout equal to the ~20 year old 500 G.P. best lap..

[pritch]

Recently I received Mat Oxley's book "Stealing Speed" which recounts the story of East German Ernst Degner's defection to the West with his knowledge of the technology used by the MZ factory, and with some of their hardware.

Next season Degner appeared on a suddenly very competitive Suzuki. The Japanese two stroke had only ever previously been a dog.

I haven't read the book yet but am familiar with the broad outline of the story which ended well for Suzuki but less so for Degner. He retired to East Germany where he was subsequently found with his throat cut. Suicide apparently. :sherlock:

Anyhoo, while ruminating on such matters the thought occurs that there must be someone in the Suzuki factory that remembers the fastest way to get speed is to steal it from the opposition?

[J.A.W.]

Ah, technically.. Suzuki paid for it.. Degner was stealing it.. from lousy thievin' Soviet Commies..

Good read though, & those Kaaden MZ's were impressive enough to get a playboy capitalist like Mike Hailwood aboard..

In fact, for peak specific output ( hp/cc) current Moto G.P. mills aint much better than those `60s 2T hotshots..

[eelracing]

Sheesh Pritch the entire Jap bike industry is based around stealing each others ideas.

Walter Kaaden is the acknowledged godfather of modern Two Strokes by those in the know but is confined to practically a paupers grave in his hometown.
An honourable man who was fucked over by dishonourable people. (he never let on tho,to his credit)

[J.A.W.]

Walter Kaaden is the acknowledged godfather of modern Two Strokes by those in the know.
An honourable man who was fucked over by dishonourable people.


If by the last sentence in your post E-R, you mean Honda/Dorna - who got 2Ts banned from G.P. racing, yep.. for sure..

I think Kaaden was rightly proud of his achievements, & where they led, even if he personally - was cruelled by circumstances..

( & even if his sonic pulse/resonance ideas had been initially funded by uncle Adolf's Nazi war machine research facilities..)

[Autech]

1989.
I loved the way the bikes looked back then...

They sure look great, wish I was old enough to know/see the racing then. In the meantime I'll just stick to my Pre '89 racing these days, some great cult classic bikes from the era, if the race machinery was anyway near as good as the road bikes...

[eelracing]

If by the last sentence in your post E-R, you mean Honda/Dorna - who got 2Ts banned from G.P. racing, yep.. for sure..

Yeh nah theyre just cunts...I mean Suzuki Yamaha and the rest who still fail to acknowledge Kaadens contribution to their success all round.

Talkn of nazis they prob wrote the book on modern corporate culture.

[jasonu]

Wayne Gardner rode like he was possessed
He did it again the next year, even breaking the fairing brackets from wresting the NSR manfully back in line, from a vicious tank-slapper..

..

That is my all time favorite race. The only thing that could have made it better is if Kevin Schawntz had not binned it so early.

[J.A.W.]

Nazis were kinda sticklers for doing things properly.. the SS would boot you out for being corrupt, a thief or even a full-on piss head..
& Hitler himself brought into law modern-style animal rights ( No boiling lobsters alive!) & No smoking in Gov't buildings regs.. oddly enough..

But Adolf was a keen motor head, & sent SS team BMW to win the I.o.M. Senior TT in `39 - along with a bunch of other pre-war G.P. stuff..

[J.A.W.]

They sure look great... if the race machinery was anyway near as good as the road bikes...

The race machinery was heaps better..
Ok an RC 30 Honda Superbike is nicely screwed together, but is a lumpen dog compared to a pursang factory G.P. NSR 500..
- as for a regular CBR 600 of that era..well, that jelly mould 600 is something nasty.. to be scraped off the sole of your boot, ASAP..

[Autech]

The race machinery was heaps better..
Ok an RC 30 Honda Superbike is nicely screwed together, but is a lumpen dog compared to a pursang factory G.P. NSR 500..
- as for a regular CBR 600 of that era..well, that jelly mould 600 is something nasty.. to be scraped off the sole of your boot, ASAP..

Compared to these days where a superstock bike with road tyres and a good rider can hold its own against a paddock of superbikes I guess so.

Read a good article comparing a modern 1000 off the shelf vs a 500cc GP bike from the 90s. Same rider (ex 500cc racer), same track same day the 1000 was a tiny bit quicker. Not bad eh?


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[BMWST?]

That's late 80's is it? going by Roche Cagiva
They sure got prettier as they got faster.
i am pretty sure the very first modern PI was 1989,i was there ii could not buy a eddie lawson t shirt at any merchandise spot at PI,imagine that!

[husaberg]

Recently I received Mat Oxley's book "Stealing Speed" which recounts the story of East German Ernst Degner's defection to the West with his knowledge of the technology used by the MZ factory, and with some of their hardware.

Next season Degner appeared on a suddenly very competitive Suzuki. The Japanese two stroke had only ever previously been a dog.

I haven't read the book yet but am familiar with the broad outline of the story which ended well for Suzuki but less so for Degner. He retired to East Germany where he was subsequently found with his throat cut. Suicide apparently. :sherlock:

Anyhoo, while ruminating on such matters the thought occurs that there must be someone in the Suzuki factory that remembers the fastest way to get speed is to steal it from the opposition?

That's a fallacy about his death he had a heart attack but was not found till a while later he was running a rental car place he was prior to that a rep for an oil company at gps. Pretty sure he died at tenor Reef also
Kadden reckoned Honda had helped as well as they won the title when Degner pulled out of the last race and therefor won the title. Kaaden thought one engine went to the UK first to EMC then on to Rotax.

[pritch]

That's a fallacy about his death he had a heart attack but was not found till a while later he was running a rental car place he was prior to that a rep for an oil company at gps. Pretty sure he died at tenor Reef also


Ok, so I cheated and checked the end of Oxley's book.

Degner was a mess, he was a very vain guy with a badly scarred face, he was suffering depression, he was addicted to morphine, and his marriage had broken up. He had gone back to Tenerife for the summer and he died of an apparent heart attack there. His son implied that Degner's health was at such a low ebb that it wouldn't have taken much to kill him. There is also a history of the family having early heart attacks, both Degner's father and his son also had early heart attacks.

So the stuff I read on the 'Net was a load of bollocks.

Now I'm looking forward to reading the rest of the book.

[husaberg]

Ok, so I cheated and checked the end of Oxley's book.

Degner was a mess, he was a very vain guy with a badly scarred face, he was suffering depression, he was addicted to morphine, and his marriage had broken up. He had gone back to Tenerife for the summer and he died of an apparent heart attack there. His son implied that Degner's health was at such a low ebb that it wouldn't have taken much to kill him. There is also a history of the family having early heart attacks, both Degner's father and his son also had early heart attacks.

So the stuff I read on the 'Net was a load of bollocks.

Now I'm looking forward to reading the rest of the book.

At least you spelled Tenerife right unlike me.
Ages ago I posted an interview with Kaaden before he died.
Have a look at the guys eyes he seemed to be an intense dude.
I'm picking along with most others, if he could have got his family out (as Degner did) he would have defected too though.
I will try and find the link.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner/page328?p=1130150906#post1130150906

This one also says he commited suicide but plenty of other material says heart attack.
The family at the time were pretty vocal about the rumours of the cause of death I remember reading that.
Hugh Anderson rode with him and even stopped his bike to help him when he was burnt if memory serves me right.
I haven't read the book but I do remember there was another one around a similar time and the two books were at odds over certain things.

MZ would have been more successful if they were allowed to use more western parts and materials.
Kaaden used to barter and smuggle bits were he could as he wanted to win.

[Grumph]

MZ would have been more successful if they were allowed to use more western parts and materials.
Kaaden used to barter and smuggle bits were he could as he wanted to win.

It was a lot like NZ in the 1950's - currency restrictions prevented import of the bits Kaaden wanted, just like here.

That scenario is why i've said for years the the Classic register promotes a false history - nothing ever stayed original here once something broke.

[pritch]

From the press at the time I seem to recall that MZ were unable to pay Alan Shepherd one year so they gave him his bikes. When the bikes turned up at HM Customs he was told you can't bring those into the country, they're from East Germany. How that situation resolved itself I don't know. Politics in sport ain't new.

I had always assumed that the shortage of money was due to a shortage of hard currencies in the GDR, but while looking for the details of Degner's death I came across a passage where Oxley describes an official as misappropriating all of the wages intended for the riders. Additionally he purloined all the cash bonuses paid by the oil and tyre companies for podium finishes and transferred it all to an overseas bank account.

When the official told Kaaden he was going to defect Kaaden was extemely anxious because he had been interrogated for days after Degner's defection.

The thieving official was living in Berlin, he was never prosecuted.

From the little I've seen of "Stealing Speed" it's a good read. It was out of print and people were asking silly prices for second hand copies on Amazon. You could still get the Kindle edition for very little though. Anyhoo I now have an autographed copy, I don't think you can get those on Kindle. :rolleyes:

[J.A.W.]

Compared to these days where a superstock bike with road tyres and a good rider can hold its own against a paddock of superbikes I guess so.

Read a good article comparing a modern 1000 off the shelf vs a 500cc GP bike from the 90s. Same rider (ex 500cc racer), same track same day the 1000 was a tiny bit quicker. Not bad eh?


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Your "good article" may've been a good 'story'- but it does not bear out in reality..

A few posts back, I noted that a check on the Eastern Creek/Sydney Motorsport Park circuit lap records
shows that the current Aussie Superbike Racing ( 2015) quickest lap is ~same as the G.P. 500
equivalent from ~20 years ago.. so a showroom stock bike - wouldn't nearly be as close..

Back when Wayne Gardner was racing V8 Stupidcars - I asked him what lap times he reckoned he could
do around Pukekohe on an NSR 500, he said probably mid-to-high 50 sec range..

What was the best time around there - done on the BSL 500?

[Shaun Harris]

Compared to these days where a superstock bike with road tyres and a good rider can hold its own against a paddock of superbikes I guess so.

Read a good article comparing a modern 1000 off the shelf vs a 500cc GP bike from the 90s. Same rider (ex 500cc racer), same track same day the 1000 was a tiny bit quicker. Not bad eh?


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So was the 500 ridden on the same day as the prodi bike, or was it based on times set by the 500 in the past? As track conditions change big time, so comparing a time of say this year, against a time set years ago, is just like having a wank, kinda pointless, apart from making your self feel better about the spew coming out

[Autech]

So was the 500 ridden on the same day as the prodi bike, or was it based on times set by the 500 in the past? As track conditions change big time, so comparing a time of say this year, against a time set years ago, is just like having a wank, kinda pointless, apart from making your self feel better about the spew coming out

Same day, same track and same rider doing a back to back comparison. Yeah just as comparing Dyno results from like the car boys like to do. Pointless unless you have the same car on the same dyno on the same day. Great to wank on about though!

I'm going to ignore Just.A.Windbag. as it appears 2stroke fumes have addled his brains and biased him towards them :nya:. That said rode a wee 2 stroke round Ruapuna on Sunday a found it hilarious fun to ride. It also appears that Phillip Island is the only track in the world that matters.

The point I was making is look at the bikes that we can pick up from the showroom today and how great they are. The fact that Joe Blogs can go buy a 1000cc weapon which is as quick on a given day around a race track as what the big guns rode back in the 90s is pretty awesome if you ask me. The fact that Joe Blogs has ham fists and could only ever get 30% out of that bike is another thing entirely!

edit: added extra '0' to the 100cc weapon. Though a lot of 1000 riders would get beaten by a clued up chap on a 100cc I'm sure!

[Shaun Harris]

Same day, same track and same rider doing a back to back comparison. Yeah just as comparing Dyno results from like the car boys like to do. Pointless unless you have the same car on the same dyno on the same day. Great to wank on about though!

I'm going to ignore Just.A.Windbag. as it appears 2stroke fumes have addled his brains and biased him towards them :nya:. That said rode a wee 2 stroke round Ruapuna on Sunday a found it hilarious fun to ride. It also appears that Phillip Island is the only track in the world that matters.

The point I was making is look at the bikes that we can pick up from the showroom today and how great they are. The fact that Joe Blogs can go buy a 100cc weapon which is as quick on a given day around a race track as what the big guns rode back in the 90s is pretty awesome if you ask me. The fact that Joe Blogs has ham fists and could only ever get 30% out of that bike is another thing entirely!


Bang on Bawana. Strokers NO NOT HIM< are great, but a thing of the past now, time too move on.

[J.A.W.]

Same day, same track and same rider doing a back to back comparison. Yeah just as comparing Dyno results from like the car boys like to do. Pointless unless you have the same car on the same dyno on the same day. Great to wank on about though!

I'm going to ignore Just.A.Windbag. as it appears 2stroke fumes have addled his brains and biased him towards them :nya:. That said rode a wee 2 stroke round Ruapuna on Sunday a found it hilarious fun to ride. It also appears that Phillip Island is the only track in the world that matters.

The point I was making is look at the bikes that we can pick up from the showroom today and how great they are. The fact that Joe Blogs can go buy a 100cc weapon which is as quick on a given day around a race track as what the big guns rode back in the 90s is pretty awesome if you ask me. The fact that Joe Blogs has ham fists and could only ever get 30% out of that bike is another thing entirely!

Awww-tech.. something is wrong with your brain.. if the facts of race results conflict with a magazine stunt, & you go with the stunt..
..somehow I doubt that mag test 500 was in full factory fettle.. likely it was marketing BS, & you bought it.. sucker..

& it appears you don't read too well either, Phillip Is aint Synney Motorsports Park..

Much of the improvement in modern machines is in the chassis/rubber..
- 4Ts are still bulky fat lazy lumps, a bit like you'd think that fat chicks are great, if you'd never had a go on a supermodel..

What 2T did you fang around Takapuna? Could it match a showroom "100cc weapon" 4T?

Awww-tech is being an ignorant flatulence bag here..

[J.A.W.]

Bang on Bawana. Strokers NO NOT HIM< are great, but a thing of the past now, time too move on.


Yet, has racing improved? No.. 'bout time we moved on from boring diesels.. esp' those lame sam-same Moto 2s..& flatulent Moto 3s..

[Shaun Harris]

Why is it I keep hearing an echo on this site lately?

[J.A.W.]

Why is it I keep hearing an echo on this site lately?

Take that to your neurologist.. can you smell a flatulent sound too? Best shut it ( your dick-holster) then.. L.O.L...

[Shaun Harris]

Hey deejay51.com or Derik J, have you trolled this site enough yet or what dude. Head back to the USA Kawi forum you troll also, and offend people there like you do here that you do not even know, you poor lonely IT. Shame you did not start on here in a semi polite fashioin, you carry some interesting info in your little black book troll hand bag. Scionara JUST ANOTHER WANKER :headbang:

[J.A.W.]

. Scionara JUST ANOTHER WANKER :headbang:


Funny sign off there Justa.. are you trying to ape me.. or is it a bananarama thing..

Not only can you not keep your undertakings ( not to respond/provoke a response) but you are blind to your hypocrisy too..

Hey.. theres a thing.. you'd fit right in with those anal-retentive Yanks you mentioned.. but alas - they'd ban you for being a rude mouthy oaf..

& have you even got a Kawasaki triple? Doubt it.. but if so, ride the bastard harder, it might teach you something real needful..
As for your foolish imaginings.. best take them to your neurologist too.. before you lose that plot.. also..

[Shaun Harris]

Rossi is gunna seriously smoke them this weekend, just to set the mind set in place.

[J.A.W.]

Rossi is gunna seriously smoke them this weekend, just to set the mind set in place.

Smoke what - seriously?, ( & surely - you don't mean poor ol' Suzuki, no more Rizla there).

& if V.R. - actually qualifies well, for a change, he'll be laughin' - then again - he's lucky that MNZ aint there to do a sniff-test - on suspicion..

Ducati will wanna rub Rossí's nose in it, at home, if they can, & so will big, bad, H.. ( yeah, & curious George better bloody do his utmost to - as well).

[Shaun Harris]

Really looking for to Mr Lowes decision, whether to move up or stay in Moto2 another year. He reminds me a lot of the way Maveric challenged last year. He is also the only fuker to make that chassis work, hence everyone is watching him in the padock. It is good having them all on even HP bikes, as it does come down to chassis design and chassis/suspension set up only, not like in the 2 stroke days, where money ruled. When I managed a GP 250 team years back, we got very lucky and got to purchase a complete A Kit of another team who were running out of money, wait for it, barrels, pipes, Pistons rings reed det sensor, 12-000 pounds in 91 or 2 I think it was, and that was a cheap deal. Louis Danton sold it to me.

[J.A.W.]

Warren Willing would not agree.. 250 G.P. was proper pursang racing..

For sure, Moto 2 is not "good" - its as annoying as steppin' in dog shit..

See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28dbVSAu65g

Try that stuff on a bunch of fat-as Moto 2 porkers.. & there'd be fatalities..

[gav]

Awww-tech.. something is wrong with your brain.. if the facts of race results conflict with a magazine stunt, & you go with the stunt..
..somehow I doubt that mag test 500 was in full factory fettle.. likely it was marketing BS, & you bought it.. sucker..

& it appears you don't read too well either, Phillip Is aint Synney Motorsports Park..

Much of the improvement in modern machines is in the chassis/rubber..
- 4Ts are still bulky fat lazy lumps, a bit like you'd think that fat chicks are great, if you'd never had a go on a supermodel..

What 2T did you fang around Takapuna? Could it match a showroom "100cc weapon" 4T?

Awww-tech is being an ignorant flatulence bag here..

Dude, I've read the article too, Heard of Michael Rutter? He was the rider involved, he even use to race 500GP bikes and even raced against the KRJR RGV500 back in 2000 that he tested. They also tested a new stock GSXR1000 as comparison. Both bikes were used on the same day, same track, same conditions etc. Not sure how else you can compare them ....

[J.A.W.]

Dude, I've read the article too, Heard of Michael Rutter? He was the rider involved, he even use to race 500GP bikes and even raced against the KRJR RGV500 back in 2000 that he tested. They also tested a new stock GSXR1000 as comparison. Both bikes were used on the same day, same track, same conditions etc. Not sure how else you can compare them ....


A poorly prepped Suzuki.. that wouldn't have made the qualification percentile cut-off, in an actual G.P. - is representative.. yeah right.. dude.. its bogus..

Check Bruce Anstey's recently set YZR 500 classic TT record @ ~126mph.... will a - straight from the showroom floor GSX-R 1000 - do laps there - as quick? Doubt it..

[Crasherfromwayback]

At least you spelled Tenerife right unlike me.
.

Pretty easy to hit the wrong button when you're in a hurry eh...

[husaberg]

Pretty easy to hit the wrong button when you're in a hurry eh...

No I never knew how to spell it. I knew where it was and what it was though.

[codgyoleracer]

Best display of wet weather dominance I've ever seen was Stoner at Silverstone. He simply blew everyone well and truly into the weeds. It was so wet and cold, I think everyone else had no heat into the tyres. He was so fast, I think his tyres maintained better grip levels.


Yip, he was pretty handy :-)

Just watched the post race podium interview, Petrucci is quite the comedian and got a round of applause for his efforts from the gallery, great to see.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I knew where it was and what it was though.

There's a first for everything then.

[Autech]

Warren Willing would not agree.. 250 G.P. was proper pursang racing..

For sure, Moto 2 is not "good" - its as annoying as steppin' in dog shit..

See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28dbVSAu65g

Try that stuff on a bunch of fat-as Moto 2 porkers.. & there'd be fatalities..

Good, feel free to not phuckin watch it then. No doubt your false teeth would pop out as you choked in outrage at the 4 stroke goodness being ridden by the best riders to grace this earth.


Back in myyyy day, we used to ride in bare feet, in the snow and we would mix oil in with our petrol!!! These young lads got it good!

[Oscar]

There's a first for everything then.

You guys should get a room.
Maybe ask Mr Just Another Wanker in for a threesome.
It'll be quick - he's a two stroke man...:lol:

[Autech]

You guys should get a room.
Maybe ask Mr Just Another Wanker in for a threesome.
It'll be quick - he's a two stroke man...:lol:

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[Shaun Harris]

:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:lol::lol: :lol::lol::killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:lol::lol: :lol::lol::killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

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Children never go away quietly lol. Hey, look how long I hung in here haha

[J.A.W.]

Children never go away quietly lol. Hey, look how long I hung in here haha

Yeah, & even though you are regularly hung out to dry.. you're still wet.. or slimy.. ugh.. anyhow..

Marc reckons he's good to do the biz this weekend, (according to Honda.. going by the testing they did at Misano earlier this year), though.. we'll see..

[J.A.W.]

Good, feel free to not phuckin watch it then. No doubt your false teeth would pop out as you choked in outrage at the 4 stroke goodness being ridden by the best riders to grace this earth.

Nah, I don't usually bother with those boring shrieking 600 lumps.. I record the race, but delete it unseen, unless some interesting racing incident occurs..

[husaberg]

You guys should get a room.
Maybe ask Mr Just Another Wanker in for a threesome.
It'll be quick - he's a two stroke man...:lol:

Don't be bringing me into it. I have already tried to deflect his advances as I suspect his motives.
I would rather go back to the original premise of the thread. But Pete appears far too smitten.

[Oscar]

Don't be bringing me into it. I have already tried to deflect his advances as I suspect his motives.
I would rather go back to the original premise of the thread. But Pete appears far too smitten.

We're never going to have a reasonable discussion here until someone does something about the flow of shit from across the Tasman.

[husaberg]

We're never going to have a reasonable discussion here until someone does something about the flow of shit from across the Tasman.

You start a thread and I will be more than willing to chip in $10 to buy a ticket to Aussie for Pete so him and JAW and sort out their feelings elsewhere.

[Shaun Harris]

We're never going to have a reasonable discussion here until someone does something about the flow of shit from across the Tasman.



I asked a MOD, and got a bull shit reply to it, yet they jump up and down about silly additional photo's being posted etc with I recieved a red rep for wippy fukin doo

[husaberg]

I asked a MOD, and got a bull shit reply to it, yet they jump up and down about silly additional photo's being posted etc with I recieved a red rep for wippy fukin doo

An infraction you mean? Note Jaw cant rep or see rep. just saying...............

[Autech]

We're never going to have a reasonable discussion here until someone does something about the flow of shit from across the Tasman.

I've been a member for 5 years and the Windbag has nearly as many posts as me... So either I don't post enough or he posts too much...

[J.A.W.]

We're never going to have a reasonable discussion here until someone does something about the flow of shit from across the Tasman.

Too funny, since the possibilty of having a reasonable discussion - actually related to the thread topic - seems very difficult for you..

Most of your posts ( along with some others such as ol' 'swayback, rat-fink & cousin IT) are irrelevant garbage.. & worse, not even fairly entertaining..

Anyhow..

Ducati reckon they are gonna get up on the box this weekend too, so what will Yamaha Factory Racing have - to counter with?

[Shaun Harris]

An infraction you mean? Note Jaw cant rep or see rep. just saying...............


In fraction yes, again wippy fuk, when trash like IT is on here talking this much shit. That much of a big mouth coward IT will not reveal ITS real name, Just simply a sad lonely Troll, as I stated re his USA Bullshit also

[J.A.W.]

I asked a MOD, and got a bull shit reply to it, yet they jump up and down about silly additional photo's being posted etc with I recieved a red rep for wippy fukin doo

Awww.. telling tales to teacher, & IT got told off for bein' a girly snitch.. awww..

Any bets on a Suzuki rider - actually making it into the top ten on points - this season?

[Autech]

Too funny, since the possibilty of having a reasonable discussion - actually related to the thread topic - seems very difficult for you..

Ducati reckon they are gonna get up on the box this weekend too, so what will Yamaha Factory Racing have - to counter with?

Considering Honda have tested there and both Yam boys have 3 wins there they will have their work cut out for them. DP and MM should be pretty strong I would think.

Looking at the Stats DP has the most Pole positions of the current riders and finished well there last year after MM biffed it. That and the relatively twisty nature of the track I would would think that Ducati are smoking some of J.A.W.s special 2-stroke blend to think they will podium, that said if MM bins it again and JL has a brain fart weekend they may manage 3rd.

Fingers crossed yet again that we will get all 4 of them battling it out for the win. PLEASE OH PLEASE!

[Shaun Harris]

Considering Honda have tested there and both Yam boys have 3 wins there they will have their work cut out for them. DP and MM should be pretty strong I would think.

Looking at the Stats DP has the most Pole positions of the current riders and finished well there last year after MM biffed it. That and the relatively twisty nature of the track I would would think that Ducati are smoking some of J.A.W.s special 2-stroke blend to think they will podium, that said if MM bins it again and JL has a brain fart weekend they may manage 3rd.

Fingers crossed yet again that we will get all 4 of them battling it out for the win. PLEASE OH PLEASE!



IT will never go away if you keep replying to IT dude

[Autech]

IT will never go away if you keep replying to IT dude

Was attempting to get on to the motogp topic. Attempting...


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[Drew]

IT will never go away if you keep replying to IT dude
Put him on ignore if you're so bothered by his posts.

I think MM has every chance of controlling the race from out front, if Rossi doesn't get there first. JLo might contend for a bit, but I can't recall him being super dominant in a race there.

[Grumph]

Put him on ignore if you're so bothered by his posts.

I think MM has every chance of controlling the race from out front, if Rossi doesn't get there first. JLo might contend for a bit, but I can't recall him being super dominant in a race there.

So the Yams go out on softs both ends to pressure MM into dropping it.....
Forget this shit about using mediums or hards to come on late, pressure the bastard early.

[J.A.W.]

I would would be smoking some of J.A.W.s special 2-stroke blend.

Fingers crossed yet again that we will get all 4 of them battling it out for the win.


A real contest would be good.. for sure..

& for properly enjoying that viewing atmosphere.. www.flyingtigermoto.com/products/two-stroke-smoke-candle

[Autech]

So the Yams go out on softs both ends to pressure MM into dropping it.....
Forget this shit about using mediums or hards to come on late, pressure the bastard early.

How many races at the 2nd half of last season did he crash out of? Quite a few from memory it was only his early season dominance which won him the championship. So you may be on to something there!

Lets not forget how Rossi reeled him in earlier this year then made him his bitch when his tyres dropped off. NEVER rule out the Doctor.

[eelracing]

A real contest would be good.. for sure..

& for properly enjoying that viewing atmosphere.. www.flyingtigermoto.com/products/two-stroke-smoke-candle

Even better hang ya washing in the shed,kick over your smokiest stroker,fill-up shed to preference.Turn off bike, close shed door and let permeate for 24 hours...eu de 2stroke.

Vale and Jorge are only interested in beating each other to state the bleedn obvious...what the rest do is not on the agenda.

[J.A.W.]

Vale and Jorge are only interested in beating each other to state the bleedn obvious...what the rest do is not on the agenda.

True, & George has to keep his head free from V.R.'s 'negative waves/mind games', & ride his own race..

Yet - aint it 'bout time Dani-boi stepped up? He's usually good for a win.. on his day.. at least one - a season - at worst, surely..

[eelracing]

Yet - aint it 'bout time Dani-boi stepped up? He's usually good for a win.. on his day.. at least one - a season - at worst, surely..

Well it woud give poor ol Autech something to smoke on.

But really...who REALLY cares anymore?

[J.A.W.]

Who cares, really? The bastard who deserves/wants Dani-boi's hot factory Honda seat most, would be my guess..

[eelracing]

Who cares, really? The bastard who deserves/wants Dani-boi's hot factory Honda seat most, would be my guess..

True that,but if he has one thing goin for him its that he is an easy beat for all his team mates.

[J.A.W.]

True that,but if he has one thing goin for him its that he is an easy beat for all his team mates.

Easy beat Championship-wise, sure, but Dani-boi does having an annoying habit of having an on-day, or 3, & being a bit of a spoiler too..
Lets see if he can do that to V.R., on behalf of Honda.. & earn his keep - that way..

[Shaun Harris]

Put him on ignore if you're so bothered by his posts.

I think MM has every chance of controlling the race from out front, if Rossi doesn't get there first. JLo might contend for a bit, but I can't recall him being super dominant in a race there.



Sorry dude, disagree. This track has slow and fast turns, and the honda can only be set up for one or the other it seems as is currently, but the Yami's can do both now quite comfortablly. It will come down to VR and Qual, he cannot fuk around and be less than 2nd row, other wise he is going to use up to much tire catching up to JL

Now to find how to use the ignore list, never done it

[husaberg]

Wouldn't it be funny if VR made a deal and came back to do a few selected Moto 2 races next year just to make sure get the most GP race wins ever.

[Shaun Harris]

So the Yams go out on softs both ends to pressure MM into dropping it.....
Forget this shit about using mediums or hards to come on late, pressure the bastard early.


But but but, the Yams are fighting each other dude, Not MM. I think Rossi will do his usual old very skilled riding and tire management and win if qual min on 2nd row

[J.A.W.]

Wouldn't it be funny if VR made a deal and came back to do a few selected Moto 2 races next year just to make sure get the most GP race wins ever.

Do you really think Honda would let that happen?

Maybe he could have a go on his own ( KTM) Moto 3 fart-generator.. but nah, doubt it..

Honda will mess up his chances for the 2015 title too, you'll see..

[Shaun Harris]

Wouldn't it be funny if VR made a deal and came back to do a few selected Moto 2 races next year just to make sure get the most GP race wins ever.

Cannot do 2 classes any longer man. Bullshit really, but how it is. He has 2 more years left to achieve after 2015

[jasonu]

Note Jaw cant rep or see rep. just saying...............

Why is that?

[J.A.W.]

Why is that?

What IS that? The strange post number/rep anxiety deal?

[pritch]

Alex Briggs posted today to say what fun he has been having as a guest here on his days off. Not very envious are we?

[J.A.W.]

Alex Briggs posted today to say what fun he has been having as a guest here on his days off. Not very envious are we?

What's that then, a bucket racing/kart track?

I'd be more keen to know more about the fun parts of his day job..

[husaberg]

Cannot do 2 classes any longer man. Bullshit really, but how it is. He has 2 more years left to achieve after 2015

You think if he wins he will actually do two more years though. I was thinking just doing the one class.

[husaberg]

Why is that?

Until you have do about so many posts and so many days you can't see it yet

[pritch]

World headquarters of the VR46 marketing/merchandising/management/watch this space company. I'm impressed but then deep down I'm shallow. :whistle:

[J.A.W.]

Ah.. that'll be the tax sink then..

Either that, or possibly - something like fag-frolic HQ.. 'not that there's anything wrong with that'.. L.O.L...

Dr Peter Venkman sez "Well, that's what I heard!"

[Crasherfromwayback]

You guys should get a room.
Maybe ask Mr Just Another Wanker in for a threesome.
It'll be quick - he's a two stroke man...:lol:

So am I! Does that make it a four stroke?

So who's gonna do the biz this round then Oscar?

[gav]

It'll rain and it will be an all Ducati podium .... :cool:

[carbonhed]

It won't rain and Lorenzo will beat Rossi on his home turf opening the way for the title.

[gav]

I asked a MOD, and got a bull shit reply to it, yet they jump up and down about silly additional photo's being posted etc with I recieved a red rep for wippy fukin doo
Maybe you asked the wrong mod?

[J.A.W.]

Which/who is the right mod to contact & check you, then eh, Gav?

[roogazza]

So who's gonna do the biz this round then Oscar?

Vale will do it ! GO ROSSI !!!!! :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Vale will do it ! GO ROSSI !!!!! :yes:

Pretty bloody good round there ain't he!

[puddytat]

Vale all the way...
If he wins or podiums I might just have to go & watch history being made at P.I.....

[J.A.W.]

Down to the TAB, is it then?

As IT pointed out.. if V.R. does his usual weak Q-effort, then top spot on the box, well, it likely - aint gonna happen this W-End..
Unless Caramello 'organises' a 'fairy-tale' deal.. with Honda, Ducati et al..

[Shaun Harris]

You think if he wins he will actually do two more years though. I was thinking just doing the one class.



Yes I do actually. He is addicted man.

[pritch]

For anyone who is interested:

http://photo.gp/2015/09/09/misano-track-map-with-speed-and-gear-telemetry/

If less accurate than it might be, at least the colours are pretty. :whistle:

[Shaun Harris]

For anyone who is interested:
http://photo.gp/2015/09/09/misano-track-map-with-speed-and-gear-telemetry/


Yamaha all over that. Suzuki Maverick top 5!

[Oscar]

So am I! Does that make it a four stroke?

So who's gonna do the biz this round then Oscar?

Personally I think it will be Honda in first (and maybe second place).
Of course the important placings will come down to how VR and Jl qualify.

Without an outright win, it's gonna take JL a long time to make up the 12 points in dribs and drabs.

[husaberg]

Yes I do actually. He is addicted man.

The Dr is addicted.
Have you heard the ten year at the top theory?

[J.A.W.]

V.R. was recently asked about alternative career possibilities.. he said;

"Honestly I don't know. But for sure I would've been a sportsman - because I don't like the idea of serious work"..

So, yeah.. that's 'bout what a junkie would say, fair enough then.. if by "sportsman" he means.. ah, nevermind.. L.O.L...

[Shaun Harris]

The Dr is addicted.
Have you heard the ten year at the top theory?



NO, this should be good, with the word " Theory" thrown in on KBR site haha, bring it on bro

[husaberg]

NO, this should be good, with the word " Theory" thrown in on KBR site haha, bring it on bro

I will para phrase it but a uni in Japan (kobe I think)has this theory (backed by pretty extensive stats) that most top sportman only has the mental concentration for about 10 years at the top.
A lot of sports physiologists go along with it. I liken it to battle fatigue
So even if they start at say 18 they burn out faster.
It fits a lot of racers. Yet Rossi is sure bending it. Some that have gone on longer have had years with no success at all before coming back strong at the end, Colin Edwards springs to mind here.
I first read of it in TDC.
Maybe the psychologists have found a way to get around it.

[Shaun Harris]

I will para phrase it but a uni in Japan (kobe I think)has this theory (backed by pretty extensive stats) that most top sportman only has the mental concentration for about 10 years at the top.
A lot of sports physiologists go along with it. I liken it to battle fatigue
So even if they start at say 18 they burn out faster.
It fits a lot of racers. Yet Rossi is sure bending it. Some that have gone on longer have had years with no success at all before coming back strong at the end, Colin Edwards springs to mind here.
I first read of it in TDC.
Maybe the psychologists have found a way to get around it.



Yea " STATS" Kind of like Numbers that accountants invent to make things read the way they want the books to read eh haha. But I also said for years that, people retire young as they have been doing it for so god dam long, that there real true passion for it burns out, PROFFESSIONAL scene that is. Us home boys, just love doing it, so keep doing as a hobby really. Look at CS for example, years an years and world champion x times an a multi Millionaire. It takes the belly and heart to keep at the top level like VR.

[J.A.W.]

I will para phrase it but a uni in Japan (kobe I think)has this theory (backed by pretty extensive stats) that most top sportman only has the mental concentration for about 10 years at the top.
A lot of sports physiologists go along with it. I liken it to battle fatigue
So even if they start at say 18 they burn out faster.
It fits a lot of racers. Yet Rossi is sure bending it. Some that have gone on longer have had years with no success at all before coming back strong at the end, Colin Edwards springs to mind here.
I first read of it in TDC.
Maybe the psychologists have found a way to get around it.


Some of it is due to "Ground Hog Day" - if you stay in 'the zone' you stick with it.. if V.R. had a less supportive missus.. well..

& natural talent & drive come into it too, like Mike Hailwood.. nothing to prove, no money issues.. he just wanted to do it..

Same for the legendary Fangio in F1.. he was super-capable for decades..

Colin Edwards was, like Slighty, a classic 2nd string guy.. competent enough in WSBK, but not 'killer' enough - to claim the top step in G.P. racing..