MotoGP 2015

[James Deuce]

Looks like everyone is getting told off

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/02/motogp-riders-and-teams-summoned-by-the-permanent-bureau/188745

Capirossi won a 125 championship in his first attempt in similar circumstances, from Spaan I think. The Italian riders absolutely mugged Spaan to make sure Capirossi won. Spaan got frustrated and punched Gresini at one point.

(Looking forward to being told I'm wrong by Mr Harris)

[Mental Trousers]

Gee MT I posted that news about three pages back. Try and keep up guys. :whistle:

Moving right along, and in view of the imminent arrival of the new movie...

As soon as I saw the incident during the race I stopped reading this thread. Alcohol is the only thing allowed to kill brain cells these days, not KB

[Tazz]

Lol I just made that up to add fuel to the fire, although it wouldn't surprise me if he whispered in his sons ear to go make a fool of Rossi.


ANYWAY. No talk of Dovi going down from Crashlow seemingly clipping the Duc's wings? Surely that's deserving of a few penalty points :nya:

Thank fuck! By the reactions and emotions to VR's move on the interwebs I wouldn't have been surprised at all if people actually believed shit like that sadly.

Was Crashlow racing though or stopping to swing his testys from one side of the suit to the other went he clipped Dovi? :bleh:

[pritch]

Capirossi won a 125 championship in his first attempt in similar circumstances, from Spaan I think. The Italian riders absolutely mugged Spaan to make sure Capirossi won. Spaan got frustrated and punched Gresini at one point.

(Looking forward to being told I'm wrong by Mr Harris)

I think you are right. And the Dutchman was the only one penalised. Sounds familiar. :whistle:

[Drew]

I've been giving this whole thing some thought.

If I thought someone was intentionally messing with my race, I think I'd probably punt them off the track.

Watch some world class MX racing, shit has gone on for decades.

[sidecar bob]

I've been giving this whole thing some thought.

If I thought someone was intentionally messing with my race, I think I'd probably punt them off the track.

Watch some world class MX racing, shit has gone on for decades.

You'd probably punt yourself off the track before you got the chance though.

[Drew]

You'd probably punt yourself off the track before you got the chance though.

Not likely to be too big of an issue. No one on a sidecar is in control enough to try and mess with anyone else.

Couple squids are so far from control they might get rough housed out the way though.

[Shaun Harris]

I've been giving this whole thing some thought.

If I thought someone was intentionally messing with my race, I think I'd probably punt them off the track.

Watch some world class MX racing, shit has gone on for decades.



I don;t think ya would Drew. You may try to fuk them up just as Rossi did ( The filming shows he was a long way from punting him off the track, and that was not dirt/grass like here at that track, he may have taken him to the white line at max, so he himself could stay on the track) People have just gotten way to emotional over this, and blown it way the fuk out of proportion/reality. All this hard talk on a computer world wide by so many lol, just like I was a wee while ago haha, I have been loving reading all the shit. There has been some very interesting FACTS posted about other incidents along the way world wide also though, which have been very cool to read. Been a great time filler for me, and helped me even more with my attn to spelling:rolleyes:

[onearmedbandit]

and helped me even more with my attn to spelling:rolleyes:


Finally, something good to come out of this whole debacle ("debarkal" in Shaun spelling).

[Shaun Harris]

Finally, something good to come out of this whole debacle ("debarkal" in Shaun spelling).


quite in the cheap seats:laugh:

[carbonhed]

quite in the cheap seats:laugh:

Quiet.

Sorry... couldn't resist.

[jasonu]

quite in the cheap seats:laugh:

Quite, in the cheap seats...

[Digitdion]

Out of interests sake, what do you think would happen if next race meet every few corners you did what VR did to MM to a few fellow racers?

That's not the point. It does not happen all the time. With what happened between Rossi and Marquez there are extenuating circumstances. What happened was complex

[Digitdion]

Put your tin foil hat on:
MM purposely tucked the front to make it look like Rossi knocked him off. A plan created my MMs dad to damage the VR brand/legacy, that explains why he celebrates when MM goes down......

That's a good theory.

[Digitdion]

This is the funniest thread in ages. Peoples get upset from all angles over stuff they can't even be sure about.

One thing I am sure about, we're in for a great race this weekend!

Serious though, if someone says it on the net........ It must be true!

Yes we are in for a great race this weekend.

[husaberg]

I don;t think ya would Drew. You may try to fuk them up just as Rossi did ( The filming shows he was a long way from punting him off the track, and that was not dirt/grass like here at that track, he may have taken him to the white line at max, so he himself could stay on the track) People have just gotten way to emotional over this, and blown it way the fuk out of proportion/reality. All this hard talk on a computer world wide by so many lol, just like I was a wee while ago haha, I have been loving reading all the shit. There has been some very interesting FACTS posted about other incidents along the way world wide also though, which have been very cool to read. Been a great time filler for me, and helped me even more with my attn to spelling:rolleyes:


Finally, something good to come out of this whole debacle ("debarkal" in Shaun spelling).

Shaun have you considered turning on the spell check function of kb.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4916

[pritch]

Shaun have you considered turning on the spell check function of kb.]

Fuck! I didn't know you could turn it off. It gives me the shits. Me being a search and destroy trypist it changes things and I don't always notice.
Some bloody spell checker keeps changing my email address to pitch. It probably took longer than it should for me to notice what was going on, I thought the letter r on my keyboard had packed up.

[husaberg]

Fuck! I didn't know you could turn it off. It gives me the shits. Me being a search and destroy trypist it changes things and I don't always notice.
Some bloody spell checker keeps changing my email address to pitch. It probably took longer than it should for me to notice what was going on, I thought the letter r on my keyboard had packed up.

I spell atrocious. I sent an email that auto corrected definite to defiant one time, I got a politely please explain from my boss lol.
Sometimes mine disappears on KB I am pretty sure that turns it back on, I couldn't see any others in the general settings. Pretty sure Mental T will set us straight regardless.

[Tazz]

That's not the point. It does not happen all the time. With what happened between Rossi and Marquez there are extenuating circumstances. What happened was complex

It was a simple question and it's not a complex issue. Someone blatantly broke the rules causing a crash, someone else didn't break any rules. Anything else is just speculation. I don't disagree with all the speculation either.

[Reckless]

LMAO to liven up the debate

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[Reckless]

Right back to Moto GP talk aye :) KTM's got its bike on the track

Succesful debut for KTM's RC16 MotoGP™ bike

Succesful debut for KTM's RC16 MotoGP™ bike
The Red Bull KTM Factory Racing Team has completed the roll-out of the KTM RC16
Test rider Alex Hofmann carried out three days of comprehensive testing with the MotoGP™ racing bike at Austria’s Red Bull Ring, the venue will see the return of the Motorcycle World Championship in 2016. The performance tests with the bike, that has been completely developed in-house by KTM, were conducted in good conditions and went exactly according to plan.

Pit Beirer (Motorsport Director): “Thursday was a very emotional moment, not only for me but also for the company, and I believe for many KTM fans in Austria and all over the world. This, and the start of the project on the racing circuit are just as important as any lap time. A very big thanks to Alex (Hofmann) and the entire team for the excellent performance. The feedback and the fact that we were already able to put in very many laps without any problems gives us a lot of motivation for the next steps in this long journey towards our entry into MotoGP in 2017.”

Sebastian Risse (Technical Director Onroad): “There was of course a great deal of tension and pressure on the team and the roll-out took place earlier and on a larger scale than originally planned. The fact that it all went as smoothly as it did, and the data that we have been able to gather makes us very optimistic about the further development of the KTM RC16. Although we are still far removed from the detailed work, these three days were a very positive and instructive test for us.”

Alex Hofmann (Test Rider MotoGP): “What shall I say? Just take a look at my boots and the bike. They both look like new. I have already experienced very different premieres. A big respect for what KTM has already achieved in this extremely short time. I think you can not only see it in my face, but also among all those who have worked here with such enthusiasm and professionalism.”

Another test with Alex Hofmann and the second test rider Mika Kallio is planned for this year. Parallel to this, there will be intensive further development on the KTM RC16 at KTM factory in Austria’s Mattighofen and Munderfing.

[James Deuce]

Alex Hofmann (Test Rider MotoGP): “What shall I say? Just take a look at my boots and the bike. They both look like new. I have already experienced very different premieres. A big respect for what KTM has already achieved in this extremely short time. I think you can not only see it in my face, but also among all those who have worked here with such enthusiasm and professionalism.”


Err, what? Can anyone translate that? Sounds like badly translated corporate waffle to me.

[nudemetalz]

Yamaha's reply to Honda.....
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/03/movistar-yamaha-issue-reply-to-honda/188752

Sheez,...let's just get this Valencia race done !!!

[Shaun Harris]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2015/november/cas-rejects-lorenzos-request-for-intervention-in-rossi-case/


Pathetic Punk:baby:

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2015/november/cas-rejects-lorenzos-request-for-intervention-in-rossi-case/


Pathetic Punk:baby:

No more so than the guy that's taken it to court.

[Drew]

No more so than the guy that's taken it to court.

I don't think it's the same thing. But I get what you're saying.

I'm pretty sure Rossi knows the penalty will stick. But I imagine he wants to know definitively whether or not he could have taken the title for the tenth time.

Sure, he'll realistically have no one to blame but himself if he places high enough to win it but doesn't get the crown. But that would be a cunt of a question to have in back of mind for the rest of one's career.

[jasonu]

No more so than the guy that's taken it to court.

He wasn't involved in the incident so this case has nothing directly to do with him. He is making himself look like a whining douchbag.

[pritch]

No more so than the guy that's taken it to court.

Not at all. In appeal proceedings it is not uncommon for whatever penalty has been applied to be suspended until after the appeal has been heard. That's probably what Rossi is hoping for.

It may also be that the Court realises that, and decides that starting from the back of the grid at Jerez was the intended penalty, that the penalty was appropriate, and that consequently they will not hear the appeal.

The decision of the court is due to be announced on the 6th. That announcement will only cover whether or not they wll hear the appeal and any matters arising from that decision. If it does go to appeal that'll likely be at least six months away.

Read some interesting comments this morning about the main characters in all this. Rossi, Marquez, Lorenzo do not have anybody around them who will tell them "No". However unrealistic their behaviour may be at the time. Burgess may have filled that role for Rossi but he is gone.

Not long to wait now.

Go Danny Webb.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He is making himself look like a whining douchbag.

Sort of like Rossi?

[jasonu]

Sort of like Rossi?

Sounds about right but totally unnecessary on JL's part.

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[sugilite]

He wasn't involved in the incident so this case has nothing directly to do with him. He is making himself look like a whining douchbag.
I'll say, it's like he is saying waaah waaah give me the title as I do not think I can do it myself.

[Shaun Harris]

I don't think it's the same thing. But I get what you're saying.

I'm pretty sure Rossi knows the penalty will stick. But I imagine he wants to know definitively whether or not he could have taken the title for the tenth time.

Sure, he'll realistically have no one to blame but himself if he places high enough to win it but doesn't get the crown. But that would be a cunt of a question to have in back of mind for the rest of one's career.



I bet a crate, that he gets to start from Qual position for the last race man?????

[Asher]

The championship should be won and lost on the track. Sounds like Lorenzo is trying to get his laywers to win his championship for him which to me is just as unsportsmanlike as what's going on with 46 and 93.

[Shaun Harris]

He wasn't involved in the incident so this case has nothing directly to do with him. He is making himself look like a whining douchbag.



He is just trying to win a championship by not winning the points, soft cock wanker

[carbonhed]

I'll say, it's like he is saying waaah waaah give me the title as I do not think I can do it myself.

Nah. I think it's more that if Rossi is bringing the lawyers Jorge's making sure the backroom boys know he's got his own set and there will be no quiet nods and winks that favour Rossi.

As for not thinking he can do it himself... I'd imagine he's a lot more confident after Rossi's fucking implosion at Sepang. Talk about letting the pressure get to you :laugh:

[Shaun Harris]

I'll say, it's like he is saying waaah waaah give me the title as I do not think I can do it myself.


Bang on Bro

[EJK]

Slight off topic trivia question here.

Why did Casey Stoner had rider number on his MotoGP bike sometimes "27" and sometimes "1"?

<img width="500" src="http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01015/Casey-Stoner_1015532c.jpg" />

<img width="500" src="http://www.salastial.com/uploads/images/thumbs_detail/88185Stoner.jpg" />

Was it just 2008 thing? Someone clarify this for me please?

[nodrog]

Slight off topic trivia question here.

Why did Casey Stoner had rider number on his MotoGP bike sometimes "27" and sometimes "1"?


Was it just 2008 thing? Someone clarify this for me please?

im pretty sure even you could figure that out.

[Erelyes]

Why did Casey Stoner had rider number on his MotoGP bike sometimes "27" and sometimes "1"?

Often the winner of a championship will pick #1 for the next season.

[Dadpole]

It just keeps giving...:yes:
https://instagram.com/p/9ny6ahhl-X/

[Crasherfromwayback]

He is just trying to win a championship by not winning the points, soft cock wanker

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....yep. He's a real softcock eh. And speaking of wankers...how many Moto GP titles did you win again? This ain't the Isle of Mann club stuff you know.

[Digitdion]

It was a simple question and it's not a complex issue. Someone blatantly broke the rules causing a crash, someone else didn't break any rules. Anything else is just speculation. I don't disagree with all the speculation either.

Was it blatant? I am not sure about that one

[Digitdion]

Sort of like Rossi?

From what I have read of your feedback. I reckon you are a whining douchbag ! If some one does not agree with you, you reply with shite.

[Digitdion]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....yep. He's a real softcock eh. And speaking of wankers...how many Moto GP titles did you win again? This ain't the Isle of Mann club stuff you know.

And how many Moto GP titles did you win? Stop being a knob! You come across as someone who has mummy issues.
May the best rider win!
I have a feeling you have already made up your mind who the best riders are.

[schrodingers cat]

LMAO to liven up the debate



That is comedy gold.
Chuckled at the lunchbox/ken n barbie call
LOL'd at the Casey Moaner call.
Too good!

[Crasherfromwayback]

From what I have read of your feedback. I reckon you are a whining douchbag ! If some one does not agree with you, you reply with shite.

And I think you're prob a raving homo that's never had the balls to race a motorcycle, so really, have no fucking idea what it's all about.


And how many Moto GP titles did you win? Stop being a knob! You come across as someone who has mummy issues.
May the best rider win!
I have a feeling you have already made up your mind who the best riders are.

None. Same as Shaun. But you're not smart enough to catch the dig fuckface. He got all condescending regarding the level I'd raced at, I gave it back. That's how I roll. Couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about it.

And you're blind as you are thick. I'd hate to think how many times (this season alone) I've praised Rossi's riding/racing/racecraft. But this isn't about his particular skills there.

You docile cunt.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Was it blatant? I am not sure about that one

That's because...wait for it...YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE. Talk about mummy issues. Bet yours is the only one you've fucked.

[Drew]

And I think you're prob a raving homo that's never had the balls to race a motorcycle, so really, have fucking idea what it's all about.



None. Same as Shaun. But you're not smart enough to catch the dig fuckface. He got all condescending regarding the level I'd raced at, I gave it back. That's how I roll. Couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about it.

And you're blind as you are thick. I'd hate to think how many times (this season alone) I've praised Rossi's riding/racing/racecraft. But this isn't about his particular skills there.

You docile cunt.You have been a bit grumpy lately bro.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You have been a bit grumpy lately bro.

Got a sore shoulder mate.

[Drew]

Got a sore shoulder mate.

Yep, I'd be a mite irritable too.

Play on.

[badlieutenant]

And I was starting to like Jorge, very sporting n cool n stuff welcoming Rossi back to the team (read an article somewhere that said Yamaha consulted JL before Rossi rejoined)
never really like his PR stunts, they seemed contrived. Rossi's probably were as well but they didnt seem so.
Ive never liked Marc, mainly cause his dad pisses me off and his mouth belongs to Julia Roberts (thats not a good thing)
As much as I would like to see Rossi win another world championship, (or Dani win a world championship) Im kinda hoping that if Rossi does start at the back he just goes "Fuk It, WIN or fall off trying"
There can be alot of courage found when you have nothing to lose.
Having said that theres a fuk ton of good riders to get thru.
Bring on Sunday (hopefully more focus on racing and less "home and away")

[Grumph]

Jorge must be feeling pretty secure at yamaha to buy into the argument when he wasn't physically involved. I wonder what yamaha think of that...
It'll be interesting to see who goes where at the end of the season. Wouldn't surprise me to see contracts broken.

[onearmedbandit]

Got a sore shoulder mate.

Ooooooooo that sounds like a reason for me to be a right cunt then lol.

[Shaun Harris]

Ooooooooo that sounds like a reason for me to be a right cunt then lol.



I reckon he is just a HOMO anyway, trying to wind people up on here and dreaming of Racing hahahahaha Yea write, Harleys still

[Drew]

I reckon he is just a HOMO anyway, trying to wind people up on here and dreaming of Racing hahahahaha Yea write, Harleys still

Nah, I don't think that's accurate.

[Shaun Harris]

Nah, I don't think that's accurate.




Neither do i seriously:cool:

[pritch]

Jorge must be feeling pretty secure at yamaha to buy into the argument when he wasn't physically involved. I wonder what yamaha think of that...


A year or two back I was reading hints to people aspiring to be professional riders as written by a former "star". The only detail I can remember was the final piece of advice,
"Never forget that you are just an employee".

I thought there's a story or two behind that little gem.

[Tazz]

Was it blatant? I am not sure about that one

Trying to understand your, and others, point of view. If VR wasn't glancing over his shoulder looking for MM to block him, as he slowed down, and blocked him, what exactly do you think was happening?

When I look at the footage I see a rider checking where another rider is and making sure he obstructs him, one of the biggest tells being how he hammers on as normal once the other rider is down (not to say that contact itself was intentional, but rather is shows that his focus and attention was on the rider he was blocking so he knew exactly what he was doing).

[Shaun Harris]

Trying to understand your, and others, point of view. If VR wasn't glancing over his shoulder looking for MM to block him, as he slowed down, and blocked him, what exactly do you think was happening?

When I look at the footage I see a rider checking where another rider is and making sure he obstructs him, one of the biggest tells being how he hammers on as normal once the other rider is down (not to say that contact itself was intentional, but rather is shows that his focus and attention was on the rider he was blocking so he knew exactly what he was doing).




In my best IRISH version of english, Rossi was looking at him and thinking and shouting, FUCK OFF you little cunt, simple as that man.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ooooooooo that sounds like a reason for me to be a right cunt then lol.

Lol. Mate, with only the one arm I'm surprised you're not the worlds grumpiest cunt ever! I've only had the one for a month now, and I'm totally over it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Neither do i seriously:cool:

See post # 3704. I'm still doing it.



Crashing that is.

[onearmedbandit]

Lol. Mate, with only the one arm I'm surprised you're not the worlds grumpiest cunt ever! I've only had the one for a month now, and I'm totally over it.

Meh the arm I couldn't really care less about. The 24hr a day burning crushing tearing ripping splitting pain however... 18yrs now, still ain't got used to it.

[nodrog]

Meh the arm I couldn't really care less about. The 24hr a day burning crushing tearing ripping splitting pain however... 18yrs now, still ain't got used to it.

some Canesten should sort that out.

[Shaun Harris]

See post # 3704. I'm still doing it.



Crashing that is.



Im pretty experienced in that myself

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm assuming the two doz Steinies that turned up today are from you Bro! Appreciate a man that's good for his bets!

Top show mate. We'll have a bet on something again next season, give you a chance to win 'em back.

Pete

[Drew]

Im pretty experienced in that myself


See post # 3704. I'm still doing it.



Crashing that is.Pffft, fucken amateurs. The pair of ya.

[actungbaby]

And I was starting to like Jorge, very sporting n cool n stuff welcoming Rossi back to the team (read an article somewhere that said Yamaha consulted JL before Rossi rejoined)
never really like his PR stunts, they seemed contrived. Rossi's probably were as well but they didnt seem so.
Ive never liked Marc, mainly cause his dad pisses me off and his mouth belongs to Julia Roberts (thats not a good thing)
As much as I would like to see Rossi win another world championship, (or Dani win a world championship) Im kinda hoping that if Rossi does start at the back he just goes "Fuk It, WIN or fall off trying"
There can be alot of courage found when you have nothing to lose.
Having said that theres a fuk ton of good riders to get thru.
Bring on Sunday (hopefully more focus on racing and less "home and away")

Whouldint it be cool if the seas parted like bloody noah did ;-) agreed with everthing u said in a ideal world dani whold win a tittle .

On a side note seeing as this years bike (honda rc 213 v ) is not ideal whats with cassey stoney as a test rider . havent heard any mention of him being sort to test nexts years bike ?

Having said that alot of rcaers are not good at improving the bikes etc kenny roberts according to barry sheene .

[actungbaby]

Not at all. In appeal proceedings it is not uncommon for whatever penalty has been applied to be suspended until after the appeal has been heard. That's probably what Rossi is hoping for.

It may also be that the Court realises that, and decides that starting from the back of the grid at Jerez was the intended penalty, that the penalty was appropriate, and that consequently they will not hear the appeal.

The decision of the court is due to be announced on the 6th. That announcement will only cover whether or not they wll hear the appeal and any matters arising from that decision. If it does go to appeal that'll likely be at least six months away.

Read some interesting comments this morning about the main characters in all this. Rossi, Marquez, Lorenzo do not have anybody around them who will tell them "No". However unrealistic their behaviour may be at the time. Burgess may have filled that role for Rossi but he is gone.

Not long to wait now.

Go Danny Webb.

yeah kinda spoiled the whole thing for me and after that epic Philip island race too

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pffft, fucken amateurs. The pair of ya.

There's still time.

[Drew]

There's still time.

I reckon you make up for a lesser crash/race start rate, by fucking yourself up limb by limb.

The gnome is no more fucked than before his crash, so his big off doesn't count.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I reckon you make up for a lesser crash/race start rate, by fucking yourself up limb by limb.

The gnome is no more fucked than before his crash, so his big off doesn't count.

You could be right there.

This.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151104paulbutler.htm

[jasonu]

Meh the arm I couldn't really care less about. The 24hr a day burning crushing tearing ripping splitting pain however... 18yrs now, still ain't got used to it.

Have you tried medical marijuana? It is the same as regular marijuana except it is for medical purposes only...?

[Drew]

Have you tried medical marijuana? It is the same as regular marijuana except it is for medical purposes only...?

Fuck that. If I was prescribed the shit he is, I'd be wasted as fuck on the good shit 24/7.

[Luckylegs]

I'm assuming the two doz Steinies that turned up today are from you Bro! Appreciate a man that's good for his bets!

Top show mate. We'll have a bet on something again next season, give you a chance to win 'em back.

Pete

ENJOY!!!

...Might pass on another bet next year - I tend to do it with my heart instead of my head

edit: I did wonder after sending em and then seeing your picture whether you might be onthe good stuff and unable to drink em but hey....

[carbonhed]

You could be right there.

This.



"Fifteen-time world champion Giacomo Agostini told the Itaian press that as he watched the events unfold at Sepang that he felt Valentino Rossi had "lost his mind".

Fuck me! That's gotta smart for the cultists :laugh:

Still... what the fuck would Ago know? Club racer from way back.

[onearmedbandit]

Have you tried medical marijuana? It is the same as regular marijuana except it is for medical purposes only...?

I've been prescribed everything under the sun and with no real result. I smoke da herb but that doesn't do anything for the pain either but it does allow my mind to rest a bit. Probably what helps me keep so happy.

Anyway how about the race this weekend. Should be a good-un.

[carbonhed]

David Emmet's latest blog from MotoMatters.

https://motomatters.com/blog/2015/11/03/editor_s_blog_motogp_s_descent_into_madn.html

[Reckless]

You could be right there.

This.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151104paulbutler.htm

Im a Rossi fan and agree with Paul Butler, thats my position on the matter as well.

First fucken sensible thing you've posted for a day or two Crasher :P :msn-wink:

[bogan]

Anyway how about the race this weekend. Should be a good-un.

Fucking better be after all the bullshit preceding. Still, was talking to a bloke at work today who only loosely follows the bike racing, but he was raving about the sepang race; so in publicity terms you probably could have scripted it any better. Me, I'd like to see another Phillip Island instead though.

[carbonhed]

Me, I'd like to see another Phillip Island instead though.

Amen.

I have no clue how it's going to go down but thanks again Flossi for fucking up such a great season.

[Crasherfromwayback]

ENJOY!!!

...Might pass on another bet next year - I tend to do it with my heart instead of my head

edit: I did wonder after sending em and then seeing your picture whether you might be onthe good stuff and unable to drink em but hey....

Hahaha...they go well together. But thanks again mate. Hope you enjoy Valencia. I can't fucking wait. I reckon it my be a Honda 1-2, so IF Lorenzo is 3rd, Rossi could do the bizz.

[husaberg]

Good stats man, but only Randy was a factory bike as such, hence he was my first guess as top crasher/dnf, which he sure was good and consistent at. Back in those days, you got rides for having balls, now you have to actually finish races haha

Is this works enough for you Shaun the rider was an ok rider too. 1976 350 class (Ago)
350cc MV Agusta (admittedly it was past it best)
FRA Ret
AUT Ret
NAT Ret
YUG Ret
IOM DNS
NED 1st
FIN Ret
CZE Ret
GER Ret
ESP DNS
15

[carbonhed]

Hahaha...they go well together. But thanks again mate. Hope you enjoy Valencia. I can't fucking wait. I reckon it my be a Honda 1-2, so IF Lorenzo is 3rd, Rossi could do the bizz.

Rossi's cultists must be praying the Honda's get in Lorenzo's way.... oh wait :msn-wink:

[Digitdion]

And I think you're prob a raving homo that's never had the balls to race a motorcycle, so really, have no fucking idea what it's all about.



None. Same as Shaun. But you're not smart enough to catch the dig fuckface. He got all condescending regarding the level I'd raced at, I gave it back. That's how I roll. Couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about it.

And you're blind as you are thick. I'd hate to think how many times (this season alone) I've praised Rossi's riding/racing/racecraft. But this isn't about his particular skills there.

You docile cunt.




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[Crasherfromwayback]

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That can't use his phone properly.

[Digitdion]

And I think you're prob a raving homo that's never had the balls to race a motorcycle, so really, have no fucking idea what it's all about.
Since when do you need balls to ride a bike?
I would have thought it's better to have a brain


None. Same as Shaun. But you're not smart enough to catch the dig fuckface. He got all condescending regarding the level I'd raced at, I gave it back. That's how I roll. Couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about it.

And you're blind as you are thick. I'd hate to think how many times (this season alone) I've praised Rossi's riding/racing/racecraft. But this isn't about his particular skills there.

You docile cunt.

Who's digging who cock?
Regards the DC


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[Digitdion]

Trying to understand your, and others, point of view. If VR wasn't glancing over his shoulder looking for MM to block him, as he slowed down, and blocked him, what exactly do you think was happening?

When I look at the footage I see a rider checking where another rider is and making sure he obstructs him, one of the biggest tells being how he hammers on as normal once the other rider is down (not to say that contact itself was intentional, but rather is shows that his focus and attention was on the rider he was blocking so he knew exactly what he was doing).

I certainly agree that Rossi run Marquez wide
On purpose.
What's not clear. Was Rossi trying to cause him to crash.
There is quite a difference in my view.
On top of that Marquez had time to back off and avoid crashing.


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[Digitdion]

some Canesten should sort that out.

Incredibly well said old chap.


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[BMWST?]

I agree that VR never intended MM to crash,but his actions were the root cause of MM crash.Regardless of what WE all think WHY did race direction penalise Rossi if what he did was only blocking.Please explain to me

[husaberg]

I agree that VR never intended MM to crash,but his actions were the root cause of MM crash.Regardless of what WE all think WHY did race direction penalise Rossi if what he did was only blocking.Please explain to me

Simple because MM did crash. If it had have been a championship at stake for him, I sincerely doubt he would not, I wager, have chosen to attempt call Rossi's bluff. But nor would he have ridden as he did during that race either.

[Drew]

Simple because MM did crash. If it had have been a championship at stake for him, I sincerely doubt he would not, I wager, have chosen to attempt call Rossi's bluff. But nor would he have ridden as he did during that race either.

If nothing else, if Rossi doesn't get his appeal heard (which we find out tonight) then at least all this speculation will be at an end...oh no it won't. There will be people banging on that he would have been a ten time champion endlessly.

[5150]

CAS rejects Rossi appeal

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/05/cas-dismiss-request-by-rossi/188894

I guess it is settled then :eek5:

[5150]

And more fallout for Lorenzo :laugh:

http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/lorenzo-s-italian-sponsor-pulls-out-over-rossi-fallout/

[Drew]

Scratch that. I've just read that he is indeed starting off the back. Bring on the hotrod motor.

[roogazza]

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/05/2015_valencia_motogp_preview_it_ain_t_ov.html

C'mon boy, Go Rossi ! Hard work and lots of luck needed,but possible.
Now where's that Lorenzo doll ?(and a tin of pins !)

[nodrog]

its going to be so choice if he wins from the back.

[Badjelly]

CAS rejects Rossi appeal

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/05/cas-dismiss-request-by-rossi/188894

I guess it is settled then :eek5:

They didn't reject the appeal, they rejected the request for the annulment of the penalty pending the hearing.

Thank god for a bit of sanity.

[Crasherfromwayback]

its going to be so choice if he wins from the back.

Would be pretty fucking epic.

[Shaun Harris]

Be interesting to see if any of the Tech 3 yams have drama;s during the race. Pol is riding injured still again, maybe a retirement from him min

[Tazz]

I certainly agree that Rossi run Marquez wide
On purpose.
What's not clear. Was Rossi trying to cause him to crash.
There is quite a difference in my view.
On top of that Marquez had time to back off and avoid crashing.


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I never mentioned anything about causing the crash. The running wide block/stop (and running off, which considering how far left he was it was his intention) caused it, obviously, but he couldn't have known whether MM would just run off, run off and crash, crash into him etc etc. It was a brain fart cunt move, not an elaborate plan.
The crash and alleged 'kick' are irrelevant, because they never would have happened if he did not block him in.

Avoiding the crash, well, we have hindsight, but how often in racing, let alone MotoGP do riders deliberately slow down and run other riders to the edge of the track. It all happened quite quickly (when you don't watch it in slow motion replay ;) ) and I doubt MM had the possibility of the rider in front slowing and blocking him at the front of his mind. I'd speculate at that time he thought something was going wrong with VR's bike, and that he would turn in and take the corner also. You have to remember VR was slowing, watching and blocking him intentionally. It wasn't a wee mechanical failure and run off, and even then you'd still take the corner and get out of the way, rather than get into it :laugh:

If the penalty gets over turned I hope another rider does to VR what he did to MM (since it would be OK to race like that if he's not punished), and if not I hope VR pulls out all the stops and wins from the back. Would be fucking epic, plus the 10th championship and all that :D

Anyway, going around in circles. Met a chick who has never watched a race but wants to meet up for a beer in the morning and watch the final. Should be a good un! Too soon for an engagement ring? :laugh:

[EJK]

its going to be so choice if he wins from the back.

Win from the back, win the world championship, say "in your face!" to the decision makers, then retire like a boss. :cool:

[Shaun Harris]

Is this works enough for you Shaun the rider was an ok rider too. 1976 350 class (Ago)
350cc MV Agusta (admittedly it was past it best)
FRA Ret
AUT Ret
NAT Ret
YUG Ret
IOM DNS
NED 1st
FIN Ret
CZE Ret
GER Ret
ESP DNS
15


Good stats again buddy

[Badjelly]

Anyway, going around in circles. Met a chick who has never watched a race but wants to meet up for a beer in the morning and watch the final. Should be a good un! Too soon for an engagement ring? :laugh:

Snap her up quick, mate.

Mrs Jelly loves watching the races with me. It's choice! She does tend to fall asleep, but then, so do I.

[pritch]

I agree that VR never intended MM to crash,but his actions were the root cause of MM crash.Regardless of what WE all think WHY did race direction penalise Rossi if what he did was only blocking.Please explain to me

Race Direction explained that very clearly, the penalty was for deliberately running wide and for that action resulting in a crash. They said there was no evidence that Rossi intended Marquez to crash. If there was evidence of that there would have been more penalty points - and a pit lane start minimum.

Apparently the Spanish press have been running the story that Rossi deliberately kicked Marquez off. Very few have subsequently corrected that story so the Spanish fans being Latins, and very excitable, are very worked up about that evil bastard Rossi. There will reportedly be a stronger than usual police presence at Jerez. Here's hoping nobody does anything stupid.

There was a chart posted on Twitter showing the starts, podiums, and wins, of the top riders at Jerez and the most successful is Pedro. Marquez has fewer wins but also fewer starts so he has a very high strike rate. As has been pointed out, if the Hondas can get in front of Lorenzo, it could get interesting.

Not too many riders will want to get out of Rossi's way to help him though. The Tech3 guys will not want him to win because if he wins the championship this year he will probably sign on again next year and they'll be stuck forever with Tech3. And ESP is Spanish. None of the other Spanish riders will make it easy either.

Rossi can devote all of his time to setup and race pace - if he has enough tyres. He will also not be able to nurse his tyres in the race, but if there is competition at the front neither will the others.

Choice of tyre are normal and hard and there are asymetric front and rears.

And it all kicks off tonight.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And it all kicks off tonight.

Bring it on.

[EJK]

Where do you guys watch live?

[Tazz]

There was a chart posted on Twitter showing the starts, podiums, and wins, of the top riders at Jerez and the most successful is Pedro. Marquez has fewer wins but also fewer starts so he has a very high strike rate. As has been pointed out, if the Hondas can get in front of Lorenzo, it could get interesting.

Jerez...? :scratch:

http://www.motogp.com/en/event/Valencia


Not too many riders will want to get out of Rossi's way to help him though. The Tech3 guys will not want him to win because if he wins the championship this year he will probably sign on again next year and they'll be stuck forever with Tech3. And ESP is Spanish. None of the other Spanish riders will make it easy either.

“This situation doesn’t modify my passion or my thinking for the future. I will race next year because I have a contract and during next year a lot of things will change, maybe the level too. After I will decide to continue or not.”

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/05/thegrandfinale-rossi-lorenzo-marquez-pedrosa-talk/188926

From MotoGP homepage. He's on next year anyway by the looks. Agree with you though! Anyone worth their salt wouldn't let someone sail past, otherwise why would they be racing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Where do you guys watch live?


In the lounge.

[onearmedbandit]

Not too many riders will want to get out of Rossi's way to help him though. The Tech3 guys will not want him to win because if he wins the championship this year he will probably sign on again next year and they'll be stuck forever with Tech3. And ESP is Spanish. None of the other Spanish riders will make it easy either.



Rossi has already stated he's still racing next year, he's unsure about 2017 though.

[EJK]

In the lounge.

Owww mate! I'll bring six pack oi!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Owww mate! I'll bring six pack oi!

Only six? Mind you, I do have Old LL's 2 doz!:msn-wink:

[pritch]

Rossi has already stated he's still racing next year, he's unsure about 2017 though.

Understood. If he's the reigning champ next year though an extension would almost be a cert. If he misses out this weekend and doesn't have a good year next that might well be it.

[schrodingers cat]

Interesting times really.
I'm sure the VR himself knows he not is not fastest rider anymore. He has made a colossal effort to put himself into race winning position but year on year this becomes harder.
He needs to decide for himself whether he gets pleasure from the process as the wins become fewer and fewer or is winning the be all end all?

It could be said that he should get out of the way for some younger fella to take his seat.
Is factory equipment THAT much better than satellite bikes?
If the young guys can't beat a chap who is long longer at the very top of his game, do they deserve the seat?

People love Rossi. People love to hate Rossi. Either way, there are a lot of folks keeping track of the category because he is there.
People come, people go but the entertainment side of the business needs the soap opera - both goodies and baddies.
He is so intertwined now with the Yamaha brand that (imho) he doesn't need to be winning (so long as someone on a Yamaha is doing some winning).
I don't imagine too many folks imagining that are JL as they swing their leg over their R1...

For the longer term of the category, the period of change as the fan base adjusts to different players can be risky. The business doesn't depend on him but it certainly benefits heavily from him being there and it is in everybody's interest for that to continue.

[pritch]

Jerez...? :scratch:



Yep. And the source is MotoGP so is presumably authoritative. I just hope the formatting holds.


"The following shows the full history of Valentino Rossi, Dani Pedrosa, Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez at the Valencia GP.

Rider Starts Podiums Victories Last Win
Valentino Rossi 16 8 2 2004
Dani Pedrosa 13 10 6 2012
Jorge Lorenzo 12 4 2 2013
Marc Márquez 5 3 2 2014"



Well that's a bugger. It looks fine in the edit screen but then appears as you see it here. Well, it's not difficult to work out, and I still think Pedro is the shining star in that lot.

[sidecar bob]

This wee drama hasn't done Moto GP any harm. For the first time ever I feel like watching the GP live. No doubt along with several million other people.

[Digitdion]

Would be pretty fucking epic.

For th first time in years, you have finally said something that makes sense.
Go Vale!:2thumbsup

[Digitdion]

Interesting times really.
I'm sure the VR himself knows he not is not fastest rider anymore. He has made a colossal effort to put himself into race winning position but year on year this becomes harder.
He needs to decide for himself whether he gets pleasure from the process as the wins become fewer and fewer or is winning the be all end all?

It could be said that he should get out of the way for some younger fella to take his seat.
Is factory equipment THAT much better than satellite bikes?
If the young guys can't beat a chap who is long longer at the very top of his game, do they deserve the seat?

People love Rossi. People love to hate Rossi. Either way, there are a lot of folks keeping track of the category because he is there.
People come, people go but the entertainment side of the business needs the soap opera - both goodies and baddies.
He is so intertwined now with the Yamaha brand that (imho) he doesn't need to be winning (so long as someone on a Yamaha is doing some winning).
I don't imagine too many folks imagining that are JL as they swing their leg over their R1...

For the longer term of the category, the period of change as the fan base adjusts to different players can be risky. The business doesn't depend on him but it certainly benefits heavily from him being there and it is in everybody's interest for that to continue.

Well said champ

[Digitdion]

This wee drama hasn't done Moto GP any harm. For the first time ever I feel like watching the GP live. No doubt along with several million other people.

To true! Good words

[Crasherfromwayback]

It could be said that he should get out of the way for some younger fella to take his seat.



Bradley Smith perhaps! NOT. But the Ginga has ended up ok. Still don't think he'll ever win a race mind you.

[trustme]

This wee drama hasn't done Moto GP any harm. For the first time ever I feel like watching the GP live. No doubt along with several million other people.

I'll reserve judgement. I think viewing will peak in the short term. Will sponsors & viewers remain loyal ? ask Lorenzo.

[sidecar bob]

I'll reserve judgement. I think viewing will peak in the short term. Will sponsors & viewers remain loyal ? ask Lorenzo.

Agreed, I'm very interested in this next GP, from there on remains to be seen.

[Reckless]

Told ya theyd move to fix this for next year with new rules and they've also given the riders a warning.

It says "Get your fucken shit together or you'll loose the input you have and we'll make the rules in future".

Off the GP site

At the Valencia GP on Thursday the Permanent Bureau of the FIM MotoGP™ World Championship addressed the MotoGP™ riders.
Following the events that occurred at the Malaysian Grand Prix and further developments over the following week and given the exceptional circumstances, the Permanent Bureau of the FIM MotoGP™ World Championship, comprising of Messrs Vito Ippolito, FIM President, and Carmelo Ezpeleta, Chief Executive Officer of Dorna Sports, summoned all MotoGP™ riders and their respective team managers to address the situation on Thursday 5th November at 15.30 local time. This is the official statement from the meeting:

“First and foremost, sport must prevail. This Sunday is the last race of the year, and it is sport that needs to win.

We are proud of the magnificent races you have given us this year. They continue to foster interest in our championship all around the world. We also want to thank you for that.

Over the past days, there have unfortunately been some controversies that have surpassed the limits of a healthy passion and, on occasions, logic itself. You have millions of followers all around the world. They watch and admire your achievements on the track. And they also listen closely to what you say.

What you do and say could have consequences that are not in keeping with the noble values of our sport.

In the name of the Permanent Bureau, the FIM and the promoter, Dorna, I would like to remind you that we are the only sporting organisation in the world that draws up its regulations for one of its flagship Championships with the agreement of all parties. That is the role of the Grand Prix Commission, where the FIM, Dorna, MSMA and IRTA are all represented. We know that the rules can always be improved, and having said that, I repeat that every change will be made with the consent of those concerned. In addition to the GP Commission, we have also set up the Safety Commission, in which riders are consulted on a regular basis about safety issues. Here too we are pioneers in the world of motor sport.

Once again, we want you to be aware that we intend to pursue our policy of keeping the doors open in order to hear your opinions and to allow you to contribute to making this great Championship even better. We would like to emphasise, that for next year, some changes will be made to prevent this from happening again.

We also want to remind you of the values of our sport: exemplarity, fair play, sportsmanship and courtesy. Our officials will be vigilant in observing the fair play and sporting behaviour of every one of you and will be very strict with any infringement of our sporting rules.

We must remember that we organise and practice sport at the professional level, not only because it is entertaining and extraordinary but also to showcase the values we believe in. The next race will be broadcast live and followed by a very large number of spectators. We therefore have ahead of us a golden opportunity to demonstrate to the world the highest values of our sport, and in so doing, to set a great example. We would also like to assure everybody that this weekend we will pay even more attention to what occurs on the track for the benefit of the sport.

Thank you all and have a good race!”

[carbonhed]

Well... my favourite is Lorenzo so good luck dude.

Second favourite was Rossi... you can cram that up your arse dipshit.

New favourite is Marquez. Slandered without a skerric of evidence delivered... kill them all mate.

Go Dani!

[Berries]

Well... my favourite is Lorenzo so good luck dude.

Second favourite was Rossi... you can cram that up your arse dipshit.
Would never have guessed that. You froth at the mouth even more than Crasher does when it comes to him.

[mulletman]

Good save from MM during FP1 , one of those lost it moments cranked over , slide , elbow on deck holding the ship up then some power and back off the deck and away.
Dunno how many saves he's had like this.

[pritch]

Slandered without a skerric of evidence delivered...

None so blind as those who will not see. Race Direction saw it, and there are some very good explanations of what happened by analysis of lap times, but never mind all that...

And bad news for Rossi. All the Hondas are overheating front tyres, the riders want different tyres. Not much chance of that?

It's reported that in FP2 Rossi went out four times. The assumption is that he was finding out how hard he can push on cold tyres. That'd make sense.

And that was another amazing save by Marquez.

[roogazza]

https://motomatters.com/results/2015/11/06/2015_valencia_motogp_fp2_results_lorenzo.html

Just fp2 but..... Hoping Hondas get a one /two here........:shifty::msn-wink:

[carbonhed]

and there are some very good explanations of what happened by analysis of lap times

Link? Because I'd be really interested in that.

[Reckless]

Wonderful explanation for the Aficionados

Hope you can access the link??

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/11/06/tech-talk-spinning-the-rear/189204

[Reckless]

Last post have to go do some more work but looks like Rossi is workin n it!!

With the tyre wear issue and the practice times looks like Lozenge may be a good bet for 1st, although he suffers greatly from tyre wear in the dying stages to, ( I just contradicted myself big time there LOL) so it might mean its second or nothing for Rossi. Who knows LOL
I'm Hoping Rossi can stick it right up Lozenges arse just because of the way he has portrayed himself over the last days!!

Anyway for those that dont have GP subscriptions

With the CAS rejecting Valentino Rossi's appeal, many assumed he’d focus exclusively on race pace during practice. But has he?
Throughout his career, and especially in recent years with the change to the 15 minute shootout sessions, Valentino Rossi has had great difficult in qualifying. The Movistar Yamaha rider has often had to spend extra time to find a qualifying setting, with the three point penalty from Sepang Rossi no longer has to worry about Qualifying. Many suspected that with the ‘burden’ of Qualifying removed Rossi would be able to focus all of his efforts on a setting for the race, able to charge through the field with ease.

One sign of working on race setting during practice session is many laps in succession. During FP1, Rossi did a total of 21 laps, his first run consisting of 15 laps without a break. Marc Marquez’s (Repsol Honda) first run during FP1 consisted of 13 laps. Rossi’s unbroken 15 lap run was the longest of any MotoGP™ rider in the first session, and the second longest of the day overall.

When asked if he had changed strategy, Rossi responded: “No, seriously no. Very similar to usual. I have to say when I ride I am more relaxed than usual! I’m quite happy about the first practices. This morning my pace wasn’t so bad and I was competitive on used tyres. We tried something different in the afternoon that improved my lap times. I used the hard tyres and I wasn’t so bad, then I put the soft for a comparison to make the right choice for the race.”

In Phillip Island for FP1 Rossi completed 16 laps, in Motegi 19. But both of those circuits are much longer than the 4 kilometre Ricardo Tormo Circuit. In Misano, a circuit that is 4.2 kilometres long, Rossi also set 21 laps in FP1 but did so over three runs of seven laps each. Despite what he says, it seems that Rossi’s approach has changed from the norm, as he no longer has to worry about a grid position and is putting in longer runs.

During FP2 Rossi opted for a series of shorter runs, focusing more on changing the setup of his Movistar Yamaha M1. In both sessions Rossi was able to lap in the mid to low 1’32s with ease, matching the likes of Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez at the top of the time sheets. Ending the day in fifth provisionally sees Rossi advance directly into Q2, The Doctor could use this 15 minute shootout session as yet more time devote to race pace: “Now we have to decide the strategy. It’s tough to use the 15 minutes of Qualifying like Free Practice because there are still other riders on track and maybe going slower as they are waiting for a tow. I think it’s going to be hard and I’ll try to make the normal procedure,” he said after FP2.

While there hasn’t been an overly dramatic shift in how he goes about a weekend, it is clear that Rossi is making the best of his situation. Most of the Open riders were only able to produce low 1’32s as their fastest single flying lap. There’s little doubt that based just on race pace Rossi should be able to pass a number of riders in the opening laps. With a strong race pace and a seven point championship lead, the 2015 title is far from over for The Doctor.

[carbonhed]

Wonderful explanation for the Aficionados

Hope you can access the link??

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/11/06/tech-talk-spinning-the-rear/189204

Brilliant.

[pritch]

Link? Because I'd be really interested in that.

Nah, there was a good lap by lap description in the last couple of days but I'm not going back through a coupla thousand Twitter messages trying to find the link.

The explanation Race Direction gave to Crash.net has been linked to in this thread, or you could go there direct. RD said Marquez denied just mucking Rossi about but RD, having examined the video and the lap times, said they did not believe him.

To say he was accused with no evidence is completely wrong, there was evidence and he was found guilty. It's just that there's nothing in the rules about fucking other riders around.

[schrodingers cat]

Some should ask Carl Forgety for an opinion.
I'd get out of bed in the small hours to hear his view on dealing with riders playing silly buggars

[husaberg]

Nah, there was a good lap by lap description in the last couple of days but I'm not going back through a coupla thousand Twitter messages trying to find the link.

The explanation Race Direction gave to Crash.net has been linked to in this thread, or you could go there direct. RD said Marquez denied just mucking Rossi about but RD, having examined the video and the lap times, said they did not believe him.

To say he was accused with no evidence is completely wrong, there was evidence and he was found guilty. It's just that there's nothing in the rules about fucking other riders around.


http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224594/1/motogp-race-director-explains-rossi-punishment.html

Mike Webbs explaination
I can see that the FIM is going to sort this eventually.
Why if Mike is as measured in his words as others have said this one sentence is a pretty damming inditement

here is a new one clearer
http://i.imgur.com/4eyttsm.gif

“I'm not going to quote what the riders said in the hearing but I can give you a general idea,” Webb began. “So from what we saw it would appear to be a deliberate move on Rossi's part to push Marquez off the track, or push him wide.

“We heard from both riders. Marquez told us that he was just riding his normal race and minding his own business, making passes on Valentino without contact. Which is true. And that he had no intention of disturbing Valentino.

“Valentino on the other side said it was clear to him that Marc was deliberately slowing down the pace and making it difficult for Valentino to race. That he deliberately ran wide in the turn in order to give himself an advantage in order to get away from Marquez.

“Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides.

“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

[carbonhed]

That's all from Sepang FFS.

After what Rossi said about Marquez on Thursday he got a lot less than he deserved.

I want a breakdown and explanation of sector times in Phillip Island that shows what you're claiming. How can something so fucking simple be so fucking absent?

[BMWST?]

That's all from Sepang FFS.

After what Rossi said about Marquez on Thursday he got a lot less than he deserved.

I want a breakdown and explanation of sector times in Phillip Island that shows what you're claiming. How can something so fucking simple be so fucking absent?
lap by lap http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/analysisbylap.pdf?v3_8089a514

sector times http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v3_8089a514

[Drew]

That's all from Sepang FFS.

After what Rossi said about Marquez on Thursday he got a lot less than he deserved.

I want a breakdown and explanation of sector times in Phillip Island that shows what you're claiming. How can something so fucking simple be so fucking absent?

You've been hating on Rossi non stop. Why do you want info now?

[carbonhed]

lap by lap http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/analysisbylap.pdf?v3_8089a514

sector times http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v3_8089a514

So I have to prove Rossi's case from the raw data?

Yeah nah.

[puddytat]

You've been hating on Rossi non stop. Why do you want info now?

Because he always demands data that he thinks other people should provide for him because its not actually about the data its about him being a cunt....

[carbonhed]

Because he always demands data that he thinks other people should provide for him because its not actually about the data its about him being a cunt....

I think the person making the claims should present the data to back them up.

As for the rest of it... I'd have to give a fuck what you think.

[pritch]

Well FP3 was bloody interesting, not at all what was expected. The ol' dude hasn't given it away yet.

Iannone
Rossi
Marquez
Lorenzo
Smith
Pedrosa

So starting at the back is not the best but Baz, Miller, Hayden, Bautista and others may not be too much of a problem despite the narrow track, provided nobody gets over excited and goes down taking Rossi with them. The Suzuki team may be more difficult, and Crutchlow has been vocal about his responsibility to team and sponsors. Smith and Espagero may take a while, then there's the Ducati riders, three of the four are Italian. Who knows what could happen?

Early start watching Q1 and 2 tomorrow.

[The End]

What position does Rossi have to finish in to secure the championship?

[Erelyes]

What position does Rossi have to finish in to secure the championship?

Erm there is an analysis somewhere.

http://www.mcnews.com.au/valencia-motogp-statistical-analysis/

If Lorenzo wins the race then Rossi needs to finish second to become world champion.
If Lorenzo finishes second then Rossi needs to finish on the podium to become world champion.
If Lorenzo finishes third then Rossi needs to finish sixth or better to become world champion.
If Lorenzo finishes fourth then Rossi needs to finish ninth or better to become world champion.
If Lorenzo finishes fifth to ninth then Rossi needs to finish no more than six places further back to become world champion.
If Lorenzo finishes lower than ninth then Rossi will be world champion.

[bogan]

What position does Rossi have to finish in to secure the championship?

Positioning a knee upside Lorenzo's brake lever would do it :innocent:

7 points ahead, so second if Lorenzo takes it, 2nd and 4th would be a tie (so countback to whatever), also 3rd and 7th, 4th and 10th, 5th and 12th etc etc.

[ellipsis]

I think the person making the claims should present the data to back them up.

As for the rest of it... I'd have to give a fuck what you think.


...you don't need data to be a frothing wank, you seem to have an aptitude for just being one naturally...small, childlike and boring...

[Erelyes]

7 points ahead, so second if Lorenzo takes it, 2nd and 4th would be a tie (so countback to whatever).

I think IIRC that any tie will go JL's way, as they countback on wins.

[Berries]

What position does Rossi have to finish in to secure the championship?
Lorenzo will DNF through no fault of his own so the question becomes irrelevant.

[Reckless]

Lorenzo will DNF through no fault of his own so the question becomes irrelevant.

I'm Afraid it was the other way round in Q2. Lozenge quickest and Rossi crashes :eek:

Jorge Lorenzo smashed the lap record on his way to pole ahead of Marquez and Pedrosa, as Rossi crashes and finishes Q2 in 12th.
Movistar Yamaha’s Jorge Lorenzo took the upper hand in the epic 2015 MotoGP™ World Championship battle against his teammate and title rival Valentino Rossi after claiming his fifth pole position of the season. The Mallorcan set the fastest ever MotoGP™ lap around the Comunitat Valenciana – Ricardo Tormo in near perfect conditions (Track temp. 30˚C), a 1’31.011. In the process he smashed Marc Marquez’s Pole Record (1’30.237) from 2013 by over two-tenths of a second. Lorenzo said afterwards it was the most important lap of his life as he aims to overturn the seven-point advantage Rossi holds in the championship standings in #TheGrandFinale on Sunday. it was his 61st career GP pole position, and his 35th in MotoGP™.

Lorenzo set his fastest time on the second of his three runs as he made use of a two-stop strategy. The Spaniard is brilliant at managing races from the front and by starting on pole he has made the task of winning the Championship that much easier, as he aims to make it four wins out of four in Spain for 2015 after winning in Jerez, Barcelona and Aragon. Although don’t write Rossi off yet.

The ‘Doctor’ (+1.460s), who has to start from the back of the grid after the CAS denied his stay of execution on his penalty from Sepang, ended the session in 12th after crashing out on his last flying lap at turn 8 but walked away unhurt. It was only Rossi’s second crash of the season, and served notice to anyone that thought the Italian would not be pushing hard in Q2.

The only man who looked like he might displace Lorenzo at the top was Repsol Honda’s Marc Marquez (+0.488s). The Spaniard rode his RC213V to the absolute limit, having a number of huge moments, but even he could not deny Lorenzo in the end. Marquez was the only rider to get within half a second of Lorenzo, as he was another to utilise a two-stop strategy, recording his 16th front row start of the season in the process.

Dani Pedrosa made it two Repsol Honda’s on the front row as he qualified in third, but he was +0.505s off the pace of Lorenzo. Pedrosa holds a two-point advantage over Andrea Iannone (Ducati Team) in the battle for fourth in the standings, after winning two of the last three races. The Spaniard also has an excellent record at Valencia having won six races across all classes and should be a threat during Sunday’s race.

Team Suzuki Ecstar’s Aleix Espargaro (+0.906s) will start from the head of the front row in fourth in his best qualifying performance since Assen. The Spaniard’s feat was made even more impressive by the fact he was forced to progress through Q1 after ending practice in 11th on the combined timesheets.

LCR Honda’s Cal Crutchlow (+0.937s) qualified in fifth for the third race in a row as he was one of only five riders the break the 1’31 barrier in Q2. The Brit had been struggling with grip on Friday but improved to put in his best lap time on his final flying run to start as the leading Satellite rider.

Just 0.064s behind Crutchlow was his compatriot Bradley Smith (+1.001s) on the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 M1 in sixth. The British rider secured his first second row start since Misano as he aims to secure sixth in the standings from Ducati Team’s Andrea Dovizioso.

Iannone (+1.045) heads up the third row after he failed to improve on his best time from Practice that had seen him top the combined timesheets after FP3. Pol Espargaro (Monster Yamaha Tech 3) will start from eighth, with Dovizioso in ninth and Danilo Petrucci (Octo Pramac Racing) completing the top ten.

Maverick Viñales will start from 11th after he also made it through from Q1 alongside his teamate despite a nasty looking highside during that session, with Rossi completing the fourth row in 12th and Ducati Team wildcard Michele Pirro in 13th.

Avintia Racing’s Hector Barbera will start as the leading Satellite rider in 15th, ahead of the man he leads in the standings by five points, Forward Racing’s Loris Baz, in 16th. American Nicky Hayden qualified in 17th as the leading Open class Honda in his last MotoGP™ race before he moves to WorldSBK in 2016, after he was inducted into the MotoGP™ Hall of Fame on Friday in Valencia.

EG 0,0 Marc VDS’s Scott Redding continued his struggles from practice and could only qualify in 20th, ahead of Australian Jack Miller (LCR Honda) in 21st and Eugene Laverty (Aspar MotoGP Team) in 24th.

Anthony West (AB Motoracing) filling in for the injured Karel Abraham was in 23rd, while Alex De Angelis’ replacement Broc Parkes (E-Motion IodaRacing Team) finished the session in 26th.

Check out the full MotoGP™ qualifying results; the 30-lap race kicks off at 14:00 local time on Sunday. Click here for our interactive guide to see where Rossi & Lorenzo would have to finish to lift the title, plus all the info you need on the #TheGrandFinale.

[carbonhed]

Huge qualifying session. Half a fucking second to MM and his title rival on the back of a scooter. Brilliant.

Pressure can either make or break you.

Still means nothing until the race is over tomorrow. Go Lorenzo!

[Shaun Harris]

Skid Mark ( AKA MM) to Win the final race

[husaberg]

Positioning a knee upside Lorenzo's brake lever would do it :innocent:

7 points ahead, so second if Lorenzo takes it, 2nd and 4th would be a tie (so countback to whatever), also 3rd and 7th, 4th and 10th, 5th and 12th etc etc.

Lorenzo automatically wins in the event of a points tie as he has more wins this season.

[Drew]

So much to consider. Would you work on sectors, but hold back to not show your hand? Would you go flat out to see if you've got the pace?

I'd have used every tyre I was allowed to, and done as many cold runs as I could.

Rossi has two laps Max to get onto the back of the front runners. What goes through his head about what everyone else is gonna do between him and them. No single country is better represented on the grid than Spain.

Too much anticipation for me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bring it on.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151107rydernotes.htm

[onearmedbandit]

Just finished watching 'Hitting the Apex', if you haven't seen this movie then I'd seriously suggest getting your hands on it. Hard not to feel sad with the section on Marco Simoncelli, his is a theme through a lot of the doco. The rest of the film is quite interesting given a lot of the current events. Watch it for yourself and form your own opinion.

[carbonhed]

I'd say there's precisely no pressure on Rossi now. The idea that he's going to jump onto the back of the front runners in a couple of laps seems so ludicrous it's not even worth mocking. He can barely stay with the front runners when he's on the front two rows.

He gave it a good shot in Q2 to try to prove a point and ended up on his arse.

He's simply got to finish safely and as high up as he can. Taking silly risks gifts the Championship to Lorenzo even more assuredly than he already has.

He's got to hope the Hondas influence the outcome by disrupting Lorenzo... something that was completely unacceptable when it was happening to him. Fucking cocksmoker.

Or he's got to hope Lorenzo crashes. Like in Misano. When we get the Rossi cultists, night of the living dead zombie horde, cheering. Tools.

All the pressure lies on Lorenzo.

Fuck knows how it will pan out.

[onearmedbandit]

He's got to hope the Hondas influence the outcome by disrupting Lorenzo... something that was completely unacceptable when it was happening to him. Fucking cocksmoker.



My you've got quite the issue haven't you? He doesn't need them to 'disrupt' Lorenzo, just finish in front of them to better his chances. You're the one making that accusation up.

[bogan]

Bring it on.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151107rydernotes.htm


Only Valentino or Jorge can become champion tomorrow.

Whoever does will deserve it.

He got that right!


Just finished watching 'Hitting the Apex', if you haven't seen this movie then I'd seriously suggest getting your hands on it. Hard not to feel sad with the section on Marco Simoncelli, his is a theme through a lot of the doco. The rest of the film is quite interesting given a lot of the current events. Watch it for yourself and form your own opinion.

Cheers for the tip, will get a hold of that.

[Berries]

He can barely stay with the front runners when he's on the front two rows.
That's odd. I was under the impression he was leading the world championship. My bad.

[onearmedbandit]

He got that right!



Cheers for the tip, will get a hold of that.

No problem. It doesn't of course touch on current events but it goes to show what racers will do to win. JL certainly can't point the finger too far without acknowledging the ones pointing back at him from his own hand. I guess when you're under pressure you'll do what you need to win...

[pritch]

This year I've stayed up to watch some GPs but according to Dorna the main event tonight doesn't kick off until 2.00. Might have to set the alarm and watch it on the laptop.

[Reckless]

He's got to hope the Hondas influence the outcome by disrupting Lorenzo... something that was completely unacceptable when it was happening to him.

All the pressure lies on Lorenzo.

I think its on Rossi and I don't think the Hondas will get involved. Rossi's gamble at the press conference when he cast a bad light on MM, that MM was having none of and therefore the incident after has seen to that. MM certainly wasn't buying into Rossi's Media beat up gamble, in fact it drove MM to race him (or disrupt him more, depending on your position).
I reckon since all this shit hit the fan any chance of the Hondas messing with the tittle contenders for more than one or two passes has loooong gone. That has also has worked against Rossi. Maybe Pedro can as he has been exemplary in his conduct and decorum throughout this saga.

By Golly in the pre race conference Lozenge was biting his nails something shocking, MM was joking and putting a brave face on and Pedro was looking really happy and keen to get on with it, happiest I've seen him for a while.

Given the lap times its Rossi to make second place or lozenge falls off??

I'd still like Rossi to win 10. Next year I'd like to see Pedro clean them all up :2thumbsup

I think Lozenge will stay upright and Rossi will "win it or bin it"

[carbonhed]

My you've got quite the issue haven't you? He doesn't need them to 'disrupt' Lorenzo, just finish in front of them to better his chances. You're the one making that accusation up.

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

David Emmett's noticed the irony too. Along with the rest of the paddock apparently.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/08/2015_valencia_motogp_sunday_round_up_a_b.html

[husaberg]

I'd say there's precisely no pressure on Rossi now. The idea that he's going to jump onto the back of the front runners in a couple of laps seems so ludicrous it's not even worth mocking. He can barely stay with the front runners when he's on the front two rows.

.
https://youtu.be/IWiM2EAux0o
Rossi's first 500 race win 15 years ago
From the back about 5th last in first corner.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

David Emmett's noticed the irony too. Along with the rest of the paddock apparently.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/08/2015_valencia_motogp_sunday_round_up_a_b.html

If we believe what VR had to say about MM deliberately slowing him up (and since that's what everyone believes Rossi thinks) then this would fit the term 'disrupting". If MM at Sepang had passed VR and cleared off to chase DP and JL then VR wouldn't have made his claim. So if MM and DP cleanly pass JL and finish ahead of him without impeding JL's race then that's all VR needs to improve his chances. He doesn't need them to slow JL up. If they do impede him then yes there will be some irony in it. But your claim was about disrupting JL. That in this case isn't necessary.

[carbonhed]

If we believe what VR had to say about MM deliberately slowing him up (and since that's what everyone believes Rossi thinks) then this would fit the term 'disrupting". If MM at Sepang had passed VR and cleared off to chase DP and JL then VR wouldn't have made his claim. So if MM and DP cleanly pass JL and finish ahead of him without impeding JL's race then that's all VR needs to improve his chances. He doesn't need them to slow JL up. If they do impede him then yes there will be some irony in it. But your claim was about disrupting JL. That in this case isn't necessary.

I don't believe Rossi's conspiracy theories.

Rossi made his claims before the Sepang race.

MM cleanly passed Rossi multiple times in the Sepang race ... and got punted off for his troubles.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't believe Rossi's conspiracy theories.

Rossi made his claims before the Sepang race.

MM cleanly passed Rossi multiple times in the Sepang race ... and got punted off for his troubles.

Pedro roughed Rossi up at Aragon, yet fuck all was said about it. Lets face it...Rossi tried to get into MM's head and get MM to let him through at Sepang. It blew up in his face and now it's all MM's fault. Hey, MM was black flagged at PI for doing one lap too many and won the title. Time to stop the moaning and go for it Rossi. And yes, if the old goat does win the title, he'll have earnt it 100%.

Jumping out of my skin in anticipation! I hope Danny Kent can bring it home too. But it does look like the pressure has got to him.

[onearmedbandit]

I don't believe Rossi's conspiracy theories.

Rossi made his claims before the Sepang race.

MM cleanly passed Rossi multiple times in the Sepang race ... and got punted off for his troubles.

Yup passed him cleanly but race direction felt there was substance to Rossi's claim that Marquez was holding him up intentionally. Or disrupting as you'd call it.

[bogan]

Yup passed him cleanly but race direction felt there was substance to Rossi's claim that Marquez was holding him up intentionally. Or disrupting as you'd call it.

Clean as a well dressed man stepping out of a palmerston north whorehouse you might say...

[carbonhed]

Yup passed him cleanly but race direction felt there was substance to Rossi's claim that Marquez was holding him up intentionally. Or disrupting as you'd call it.

After the Thursday press conference... WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT?

"Ahhh my sweet little Uccio, my darling. We play a stupid mind a games with a the biggest badass on a tha grid and a he will roll over like a pussy and we will ride onward a to a glorious victory. Viva Italia maxima!!"

What could possibly go wrong?

[carbonhed]

Pedro roughed Rossi up at Aragon, yet fuck all was said about it.

I think it was Emmett who reported that Rossi sought out Pedro to ask him why he'd fought so hard. So the paranoia's been hollowing him out for a while.

Yeah. The whole sold out, jam packed weekend must be a once in a generation sort of event.

I don't know how Rossi and Lorenzo can cope with the pressure.

Seriously wouldn't be surprised to see JLo lob it up the road... despite that unbelievable lap.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seriously wouldn't be surprised to see JLo lob it up the road... despite that unbelievable lap.

Can't see it. But if MM took him out he'll be in trouble at home, but safe again with travel to Italy!

[carbonhed]

Can't see it. But if MM took him out he'll be in trouble at home, but safe again with travel to Italy!

:laugh: I don't think MM will take JLO out. He was extremely careful around Rossi... so travel to Italy will still be ill advised.

[sil3nt]

Fucking video pass wtf.

[WNJ]

Well done JL

[lostinflyz]

god damn the video pass.... ended up pirate streaming 2/3rds the race.

But good ride by both yamaha's. everyones gonna be suspicious of MM pace and race. He made no fans today....

[pritch]

My iPad went on the blink as the race started so I got up and watched. Certainly wasn't boring.

[caspernz]

Can't accuse anyone of holding Rossi up to get onto the front pack...:eek::shit:

[jasonu]

Strange how MM was willing and able to put all sorts of demon moves on VR in Sepang, a hard move on Pedro with less than 2 laps to go in Valencia but despite being right up JL's arse for most of the race didn't even show JL a wheel...

[speights_bud]

Going by the video pass comments I'm glad I waited and watched it at 5 this morning instead.

Both Rossi and Lorenzo were given a helping hand by other riders. It is what it is. At least everyone played nice today....

[Drew]

It's very hard not to pay extra attention to Marquez' riding in that race, after it is put in your head that he's helping Lorenzo. There's no way to know though, so well done to Jorge.

Rossi rode a blinder. He was outstanding and did everything he possibly could have.

By Christ Pedrosa can mange a set of hoops can't he? I think his was the stand out ride of the race As seemingly unexciting as it looked, that was very fucken clever.

[carbonhed]

That was unbearably tense.

[jasonu]

That was unbearably tense.

Only in the last few laps. The rest was reasonably predictable.

[popelli]

Lorenzo handed the champions title on a plate = a hollow and possibly undeserved trophy

Real champion is most peoples minds is Rossi who rode from last on the grid to 4th place

Absolutely disgusting state of affairs

Moto GP is getting as bad as F1 got a few years ago with team orders to settle out who won races and who didn't

[FROSTY]

I guess the only question is COULD Rossi have won if he started from the grid he would have been in?
Not Should or would but simply Could.
Were his lap times fast enough to be cutting it with those 3 guys?
he would have needed to be faster that pedro and MM at some point in the race.

[jasonu]

I guess the only question is COULD Rossi have won if he started from the grid he would have been in?
Not Should or would but simply Could.
Were his lap times fast enough to be cutting it with those 3 guys?
he would have needed to be faster that pedro and MM at some point in the race.

I thought the same. The result would quite likely have been the same except the race would/could have been a big snoozer (no getting to see VR do all the passing) after the first couple of laps.

[Shaun Harris]

I guess the only question is COULD Rossi have won if he started from the grid he would have been in?
Not Should or would but simply Could.
Were his lap times fast enough to be cutting it with those 3 guys?
he would have needed to be faster that pedro and MM at some point in the race.


Based on lap times, the result would have been the same

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo handed the champions title on a plate = a hollow and possibly undeserved trophy

Real champion is most peoples minds is Rossi who rode from last on the grid to 4th place

Absolutely disgusting state of affairs

Moto GP is getting as bad as F1 got a few years ago with team orders to settle out who won races and who didn't

LOl. Good acid at your place eh? The best man won the title this year. End of story and a fact.

[carbonhed]

Based on lap times, the result would have been the same

I reckon if he'd started from the front rows he'd have contrived a way to be there and in all probability won the championship.

He lost it at the Thursday press conference in Sepang. Which brings a wonderful element of karma to the whole proceedings.

[James Deuce]

LOl. Good acid at your place eh? The best man won the title this year. End of story and a fact.

Marquez suddenly found the wherewithal to pounce back on Pedrosa when he went past, then catch right back up to Lorenzo, yet never troubled Lorenzo once. It was all a bit blatant.

Best man? Most consistent rider this year for sure.

I'm going to switch back to superbikes for a couple of years I think. Bad form all round.

[Autech]

I guess the only question is COULD Rossi have won if he started from the grid he would have been in?
Not Should or would but simply Could.
Were his lap times fast enough to be cutting it with those 3 guys?
he would have needed to be faster that pedro and MM at some point in the race.


Based on lap times, the result would have been the same

Aaaand, would he have only been 7 points behind had he not (intentionally or not intentionally - lets not go there) knocked MM off at Sepang.

Lorenzo was the fastest man on the track this year, he won the title by being so. I'm not a fan of him but it is what it is. Well done George.
Fuck I thought Pedrosa might rain on his parade though, there is no way in hell Pedrosa would assist young JL to a title. Great race.

Well done Danny Kent, WTF was Ono up to? Had me shitting bricks.

[carbonhed]

Rossi's press conference is as snivellingly pathetic as your worst nightmares.

[Stirts]

Marquez suddenly found the wherewithal to pounce back on Pedrosa when he went past, then catch right back up to Lorenzo, yet never troubled Lorenzo once. It was all a bit blatant.

Best man? Most consistent rider this year for sure.

I'm going to switch back to superbikes for a couple of years I think. Bad form all round.

This sums it up pretty much I reckon :clap:

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[Crasherfromwayback]

Marquez suddenly found the wherewithal to pounce back on Pedrosa when he went past, then catch right back up to Lorenzo, yet never troubled Lorenzo once. It was all a bit blatant.

Best man? Most consistent rider this year for sure.

.


Couldn't agree less sorry. First of all, most consistent man was Rossi. Next, people very easily forget that Lorenzo is often untouchable when given clear track. He simply did it again. Next up, MM isn't silly. He'd have known that even if Pedro got past him and beat Lorenzo, that Lorenzo would've still been the champ provided he didn't also pass him. Next, even if Rossi started from the 2nd row, he wouldn't have been able to do any better than fourth. He was more often than not, the fourth fastest man all season. The fastest and best man won fair and square.

[Asher]

I hope someone lays a complain against MM for match fixing. I'm sure the pace at the front was near 100% but for MM to not even show JL a wheel then to put the hard moves on DP when he got close makes it pretty hard to argue MM wasn't JLs wingman in that race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I hope someone lays a complain against MM for match fixing. I'm sure the pace at the front was near 100% but for MM to not even show JL a wheel then to put the hard moves on DP when he got close makes it pretty hard to argue MM wasn't JLs wingman in that race.

And Lorenzo has never won a race by getting the holeshot and leading every single lap? You guys are insulting the mans skills. MM could've beaten him and he'd still be champ. Comprede?

[sil3nt]

Lorenzo would have had the championship without Marquez being his little bitch.

Bit of a shit end to a great season.

[James Deuce]

Couldn't agree less sorry. First of all, most consistent man was Rossi. Next, people very easily forget that Lorenzo is often untouchable when given clear track. He simply did it again. Next up, MM isn't silly. He'd have known that even if Pedro got past him and beat Lorenzo, that Lorenzo would've still been the champ provided he didn't also pass him. Next, even if Rossi started from the 2nd row, he wouldn't have been able to do any better than fourth. He was more often than not, the fourth fastest man all season. The fastest and best man won fair and square.

The stats disagree. Even with Lorenzo's single retirement his average finishing position was 2.4 to Rossi's 2.6.

[Asher]

And Lorenzo has never won a race by getting the holeshot and leading every single lap? You guys are insulting the mans skills. MM could've beaten him and he'd still be champ. Comprede?

JL ran a great race but MM didn't even look like he was thinking about passing JL. Yeah if MM got past JL would still win but that would leave JL open for an attack by DP, who had much more speed than the front two in the closing laps.

[nudemetalz]

hmmm....interesting.....



'In a bizarre twist, Lorenzo appeared to support Rossi's claim in an interview with Movistar MotoGP channel
Whilst denying that "any pact" existed between him and Marquez he intimated that his compatriots had helped him win the title by not passing him.
"They knew what I had in play," Lorenzo said.
"The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me.
"That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake which they didn't this time."
He added: "If Valentino had been in my position and with Italians behind they would have done exactly the same.
"The title had to be for Spain."'

[Crasherfromwayback]

[QUOTE=James Deuce;1130919918]The stats disagree. Even with Lorenzo's single retirement his average finishing position was 2.4 to Rossi's 2.6.[/QUOTE

That's what six wins vs four will do for your stats eh. :msn-wink:

[jasonu]

JL ran a great race but MM didn't even look like he was thinking about passing JL. Yeah if MM got past JL would still win but that would leave JL open for an attack by DP, who had much more speed than the front two in the closing laps.

That's the way I see it. MM looked to be riding to prevent DP from getting close to JL and possibly tangling with him.

[nodrog]

And Lorenzo has never won a race by getting the holeshot and leading every single lap? You guys are insulting the mans skills. MM could've beaten him and he'd still be champ. Comprede?

I think marqueers did it to make a point, there were plenty of times where he had to sit himself up to stop going past George.

[speights_bud]

According to Twitter Rossi decided not to turn up to the motogp awards night. Classy...

[roogazza]

Rossi did a great job but alas, not good enough. It was always going to be difficult even from the front couple of rows.
But what a ride ! :cool:
Just had to mute Nick Harris tho,he gives me the shits.:angry2:

[Oscar]

According to Twitter Rossi decided not to turn up to the motogp awards night. Classy...

They're all showing their (lack of) class, and Rossi is by no means the worst.
The only one that comes out on the credit side of the ledger is DP.

Rossi has tainted a glorious career, but I think in the future it will just be part of the legend.

MM & JL on the other hand, have revealed themselves to be immature little pratts who will need to work hard to fix their public image.

I don't recall a newly crowned world champion being booed on the podium (and despite MotoGP turning the sound effects mic down, you could clearly hear a portion of the crowd booing) in his own country before.

[pritch]

We'll never know if MM was helping Lorenzo - unless one day he writes a book. I watched practice and qualifying and MMs bike was a bucking, weaving, writhing, barely conrollable beast of a thing. I don't remember seeing any of that during the race. I might have to watch it again but he seemed to be riding well within himself.

Marquez says he had to ride to finish because he has has six DNFs already this season. Maybe.

Ah well, things might quieten down now. Until tomorrow when testing gets underway. Sadly my video sub has expired, I might have to shelve the laptop and go for a ride on my bike or something...

Pete, I'd have given you bling for the "acid" crack but I gotta share the love.

[Autech]

Rossi did a great job but alas, not good enough. It was always going to be difficult even from the front couple of rows.
But what a ride ! :cool:
Just had to mute Nick Harris tho,he gives me the shits.:angry2:

Yup I love how he and the other fuckwit had written Dani Pedrosa, I says to me mate Askor "Watch Dani, he will come good".


We'll never know if MM was helping Lorenzo - unless one day he writes a book. I watched practice and qualifying and MMs bike was a bucking, weaving, writhing, barely conrollable beast of a thing. I don't remember seeing any of that during the race. I might have to watch it again but he seemed to be riding well within himself.

Marquez says he had to ride to finish because he has has six DNFs already this season. Maybe.

Ah well, things might quieten down now. Until tomorrow when testing gets underway. Sadly my video sub has expired, I might have to shelve the laptop and go for a ride on my bike or something...

Pete, I'd have given you bling for the "acid" crack but I gotta share the love.

MM would have had to have made a hero move I think to crack JL's pace, they were both riding at the peak of their practice pace. Had MM tried a rough move he may have been guilty of what Rossi accused him of, which is interfering with those competing with the championship. I agree MM wasn't sporting though. If you want "Pure racing" go watch a club round. I personally am disappointed for Rossi that he didn't win, but JL did have the better pace all year.

How was DP missing all those races in the opening rounds due to injury yet still finishing 4th in the championship? 100 premier class podiums and people question why he has that bike?

[sil3nt]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1075451149133707

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete, I'd have given you bling for the "acid" crack but I gotta share the love.

Hahahaha...cheers!

From an article on Superbike planet...

All of which detracts from one fact that everyone, including the people who side with Rossi over what happened today, agrees on. The fastest man of the year, who won more races and led more laps than anyone else, won the championship.

[Doppleganger]

Pretty bloody obviouse MM wasnt going to make a pass on Lorenzo.
Poor sportsmanship and as someone has previously said smacks of match fixing.
Be intersting to know if there was a second pit board out somewhere else on the circuit informing of Vale's progress.

[ckai]

They're all showing their (lack of) class, and Rossi is by no means the worst.
The only one that comes out on the credit side of the ledger is DP.

Rossi has tainted a glorious career, but I think in the future it will just be part of the legend.

MM & JL on the other hand, have revealed themselves to be immature little pratts who will need to work hard to fix their public image.

I don't recall a newly crowned world champion being booed on the podium (and despite MotoGP turning the sound effects mic down, you could clearly hear a portion of the crowd booing) in his own country before.

Gotta agree with everything. This season, DP has grown on me. I used to think he was a little twat but I certainly respect him more with how he's handled himself this season, especially in the last 3 racers.

Lorenzo, I could take or leave. MM and Rossi used to be the top of a cheer list. I still think MM can ride the fuck out of a bike but he's acted his age. And Rossi has acted his age as well. At the last race, in the same position, I probably would have done the same "on-track" talk as Rossi but not to the same extreme. He did bring it on himself. He just pushed MM a little too much and MM played him. Shit, it was insane racing but both made some passes that pushed it a bit that weren't necessary at that early stage and weren't helping either of them move to the front. I can see that shit going down in the last few laps but you have to be smarter at the start when you know you both have pace.

Like what others have said, you honestly can't deny that it's interesting MM gets all racy and even starts swapping paint with his team mate in the final laps. It gave me the impression DP was "fuck this shit" and wanted to shake things up.

It's all made for an bloody crazy season. Which has been brilliant. I think Lorenzo, at the end of the day, deserved to win, but it's a shame MM fucked around with it.

[nodrog]

Be intersting to know if there was a second pit board out somewhere else on the circuit informing of Vale's progress.

other than the ones on pit wall that said that?

in a secret place where nobody else looked?

maybe they texted it to his apple I watch?

[carbonhed]

I wonder if there's a "bringing the sport into disrepute" exit clause in Flossi's contract with Yamaha?

[Pumba]

.......Be intersting to know if there was a second pit board out somewhere else on the circuit informing of Vale's progress.

Ever tried reading a pit board at the track? If the riders could see a second pit board then one of the hundred odd trackside cameras could see it.

Pretty safe to say that there was no second pit board.

[Tazz]

Would have been awesome if Rossi pulled it out of the hat, but as others have said no one to blame but himself for the melt down, and no point in what ifs.

JL earned his chicken dinner at the end of the day. Going to be plenty of ice to throw in yer rum from the Yamaha garage next season.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/S-yKxLHBPWA/hqdefault.jpg

[FROSTY]

BUT ANYWAY. Forgetting match fixing etc.
Based on the ontrack performance by VR DP MM and Lorenzo On the day COULD VR have cut it with those three?
Im thinking about VR's lap time after he broke free into P4.

[James Deuce]

BUT ANYWAY. Forgetting match fixing etc.
Based on the ontrack performance by VR DP MM and Lorenzo On the day COULD VR have cut it with those three?
Im thinking about VR's lap time after he broke free into P4.

No, he couldn't, he would have had to be with the lead bunch from the start to stay in touch, plus he probably toasted his tyres on the way to 4th. C'est la vie. There's only 4 blokes on the track that could have done what he did and they all finished in the top four. Rossi's was a majestic effort, but required the Honda boys to get away ASAP. Dani saved his tyres in a stunning example of perfect timing, but Marc said , "uh uh", and there's nothing worse than punting a team mate off so Dani played it safe.

[jasonu]

We'll never know if MM was helping Lorenzo - unless one day he writes a book. I watched practice and qualifying and MMs bike was a bucking, weaving, writhing, barely conrollable beast of a thing. I don't remember seeing any of that during the race. I might have to watch it again but he seemed to be riding well within himself.
.

MM was able to keep pace with JL and not look out of control. Strangely enough, when MM was passed by DP who was at the time the fastest on track, he suddenly found extra pace to pass DP back and pull ahead a little... then keep pace with JL.

[onearmedbandit]

Well a controversial end to what will surely be seen as the most controversial season. A great display of riding from many of the riders, an end or an era with Hayden leaving, some questionable moves and tactics by certain riders both on and off the track.

Looking forward to next year now.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Funniest thing this year? The Rossi fans that always called Stoner a moaner, moaning their guts out, over their rider (that's also moaning his guts out). Priceless.

[onearmedbandit]

Funniest thing this year? The Rossi fans that always called Stoner a moaner, moaning their guts out, over their rider (that's also moaning his guts out). Priceless.

Agreed. This year has really brought the ugly out from 'fan'atics everywhere.

[carbonhed]

Funniest thing this year? The Rossi fans that always called Stoner a moaner, moaning their guts out, over their rider (that's also moaning his guts out). Priceless.

+1000

I don't think I've ever seen a more graceless bunch of losers from Rossi on down.

[jasonu]

an end or an era with Hayden leaving,
.

I dunno if I would call Nicky Hayden an 'era'.

[onearmedbandit]

I dunno if I would call Nicky Hayden an 'era'.

Well it is for him. Yes he's not been the most successful rider but he is an ex-world champ, has been a great ambassador for the sport, has always been fair both on and off the track. Given a better riding package I'd say we would've seen greater things from him.

[pritch]

I dunno if I would call Nicky Hayden an 'era'.

Well it spells the end of the era that had Americans in the top class.

[jasonu]

Well it spells the end of the era that had Americans in the top class.

True enough.
There are a couple of talented young riders in the AMA series. Hopefully they will have good connections and contacts to successfully make it to the world level.

[Shaun Harris]

True enough.
There are a couple of talented young riders in the AMA series. Hopefully they will have good connections and contacts to successfully make it to the world level.



Who they be Jason? I have not seen anyone in the American series this season that would cut it at that level

[jasonu]

Who they be Jason? I have not seen anyone in the American series this season that would cut it at that level

Cameron Beaubier is one I was thinking about.

[Shaun Harris]

Cameron Beaubier is one I was thinking about.


He is good, but I do not think he is special

[jasonu]

He is good, but I do not think he is special

He is young enough so who knows.

[Shaun Harris]

He is young enough so who knows.


He does have age on his side I guess- Dam yanks are too tight to spend a dime to send anyone out international racing any longer it seems. jasonu, who is the real young guy that is in the Moto3 class next year, not read a lot about him. I believe he did a bit of racing in the Wera series? and it sounds like the family are driving/guiding him like Casey Stoners family

[Badjelly]

I don't think I've ever seen a more graceless bunch of losers from Rossi on down.

He's a master of mind games! Nick Harris said so...repeatedly.

[carbonhed]

He's a master of mind games! Nick Harris said so...repeatedly.

:laugh: Then it must be true then. Actually he was getting on my tits today and it usually doesn't bother me. As did the shot of Rossi's arse for an eternity on the last lap.

[Badjelly]

A great article, as usual, from David Emmett

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/09/2015_valencia_sunday_motogp_round_up_how.html

Now for the 2016 pre-season testing!

[Berries]

I don't think I've ever seen a more graceless bunch of losers from Rossi on down.
You should read a few of your posts over the last few pages.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. As did the shot of Rossi's arse for an eternity on the last lap.

Think they just forgot to super impose the picture of the plate.:innocent:

[carbonhed]

A great article, as usual, from David Emmett

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/09/2015_valencia_sunday_motogp_round_up_how.html

Now for the 2016 pre-season testing!

A great read again.

I imagine most thinking commentators will crucify Rossi for his behaviour over these last rounds.

[carbonhed]

Think they just forgot to super impose the picture of the plate.:innocent:

Maybe it was a special request from Uccio? Lovely, heartwarming, manhug between the two of them after the race.

[husaberg]

He does have age on his side I guess- Dam yanks are too tight to spend a dime to send anyone out international racing any longer it seems.

The Yanks probably think the AMA Nats are the world championship.

What a race

What a season.Next years testing starts this week.

[merv]

I found the discussion on tyre allocation for this race interesting. The Honda guys, Cal included, said they needed a harder front tyre, but Bridgestone dictates which compounds they bring because they judge the weather forecast. That to me is ridiculous, I would prefer to see the teams choose what tyres they want from the year's allocation of compounds. In Mick Doohan's day he got overnight specials from Michelin and we aren't talking about that here we are still talking about control tyres that should be available to all.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I enjoyed this season. I would have enjoyed it more if Vale had won it. I'd like to see competing tyre manufacturers. Bring back Goodyear!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I enjoyed this season. I would have enjoyed it more if Vale had won it. I'd like to see competing tyre manufacturers. Bring back Goodyear!

Ten titles would've been cool for sure. And yep...bring back open tyre competition! I've always been against the one make tyre rule. It's not spec racing like Moto2!

[Drew]

The Yanks probably think the AMA Nats are the world championship.

What a race

What a season.Next years testing starts this week.
Why, are they bucket racers?

Ten titles would've been cool for sure. And yep...bring back open tyre competition! I've always been against the one make tyre rule. It's not spec racing like Moto2!

Spec anything other than Max displacement is completely at odds with grand Prix racing. It dulls the whole thing.

[boman]

I just watched it. What a ride. I wonder if the winner would have won, if the Doctor had started closer?

[The End]

Sums it up nicely

https://i.imgur.com/wavvIfC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yxYXwnn.png

[pritch]

Maybe it was a special request from Uccio? Lovely, heartwarming, manhug between the two of them after the race.

Actually, as I recall the first manhug was for Alex Briggs who grabbed his bike. But then you definitely seem to have a penchant for seeing what you want to see.

[boman]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1075451149133707

If you can. Watch this. then think about those last laps.

[BMWST?]

I guess the only question is COULD Rossi have won if he started from the grid he would have been in?
Not Should or would but simply Could.
Were his lap times fast enough to be cutting it with those 3 guys?
he would have needed to be faster that pedro and MM at some point in the race.

granted VR had probably burned up his tyres,but the front three were going faster than him .And that has been the story of the season.VR does not have the absolute speed of the other three .vr was about 12 seconds behind when he got to fourth,he was 19 seconds behind dani at the end.and those useless commentators didt once talk about the time gap from dani to vr,that was the important fact not the 5 bloody points

[BMWST?]

Marquez suddenly found the wherewithal to pounce back on Pedrosa when he went past, then catch right back up to Lorenzo, yet never troubled Lorenzo once. It was all a bit blatant.

Best man? Most consistent rider this year for sure.

I'm going to switch back to superbikes for a couple of years I think. Bad form all round.
you are a dreamer,Dani hant even put a bike length on him.If you learned nothing all season you should know that MM is now the master at the immediate overtake,and once he had done that Jlo had got the fraction of the break he needed.The race was over then.Now if MM had let dani go and just follow ,that may have been different!