MotoGP 2015 [Archive] - Page 15

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 12:25

No Shaun. I simply asked Kiwigraham if the same rules apply to all. A fair enough question I would've thought no? So you can answer it for him if you like? If it's an unwritten rule, that you shouldn't race against guys for the championship if you're not in the running, did that particular unwritten rule not apply to Rossi? If so...why go giving MM shit for it?

lol. I love winding you up also dude, just as you do there on here:banana: You MUST admit though, MM is a prick with they he has been riding for over 4 years now, and is a danger to himself and others. What Rossi did by running him wide, was a tad rude but within the rules, and MM drove into Rossi;s leg himself! Sp apart from personel things of who we do and do not like, this crash was 100% MM own doing, nothing less nothing more. Yes Rossi has raced hard in the past, but the past is the past dude, no point in going around in circles like a train set

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 12:27

Are you going to argue with: <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151025rydernotes.htm>Julian Ryder's summation?</A>

is there some reason I should not denill? I mean, he is only a journo

nudemetalz

27th October 2015, 12:30

and....... ;)

denill

27th October 2015, 12:33

is there some reason I should not denill? I mean, he is only a journo

Depends on whether your Rossi bias overcomes Ryder's logic.

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 12:42

Depends on whether your Rossi bias overcomes Ryder's logic.

I base my comments on my own opinions of what I saw with my own eyes and knowledge of racing and the rules that are in place denill. What Rossi did by running wanker out wide was deff un sportsman ship, but but but, there were NO rules broken at all! and it was wank that powered into Rossi's leg that caused the crash. So the race council decided and has been quoted Rossi instigated this, mmmm, he instigated running tosser wide, it was tosser who opened the throttle causing him to hit Rossi. Race control and team have deffinately used this as an example to one and all imo.

carbonhed

27th October 2015, 12:46

lol. I love winding you up also dude, just as you do there on here:banana: You MUST admit though, MM is a prick with they he has been riding for over 4 years now, and is a danger to himself and others. What Rossi did by running him wide, was a tad rude but within the rules, and MM drove into Rossi;s leg himself! Sp apart from personel things of who we do and do not like, this crash was 100% MM own doing, nothing less nothing more. Yes Rossi has raced hard in the past, but the past is the past dude, no point in going around in circles like a train set

Rossi didn't just block pass and run him wide though. He then proceeded to die on the throttle. Parked it in the way and stopped. His lap time blew out by 2.5 secs on that lap only. To me that's no longer racing. Just dangerous.

Would you really be happy if somebody had done that to you?

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 12:48

Rossi didn't just block pass and run him wide though. He then proceeded to die on the throttle. Parked it in the way and stopped. His lap time blew out by 2.5 secs on that lap only. To me that's no longer racing. Just dangerous.

Would you really be happy if somebody had done that to you?

Im done debating on the internet dude

denill

27th October 2015, 12:52

I base my comments on my own opinions of what I saw with my own eyes and knowledge of racing and the rules that are in place denill. What Rossi did by running wanker out wide was deff un sportsman ship, but but but, there were NO rules broken at all! and it was wank that powered into Rossi's leg that caused the crash. So the race council decided and has been quoted Rossi instigated this, mmmm, he instigated running tosser wide, it was tosser who opened the throttle causing him to hit Rossi. Race control and team have deffinately used this as an example to one and all imo.

Oh, pleased to see by your MM descriptions that you're unbiased. :cool:

denill

27th October 2015, 12:53

Im done debating on the internet dude

That's your best comment yet.

J.A.W.

27th October 2015, 13:32

Im done debating on the internet dude

Yeah, good call, if by "done debating" you mean ignoring the clear evidence, & putting up some imaginary, yet fully bogus rant..

If Rossi is so keen on a review, then I'd like the telemetry of the incident published.. including Rossi's boot being carefully.. but forcefully - put into M-M's brake lever..

5150

27th October 2015, 14:12

316888

:msn-wink:

FROSTY

27th October 2015, 14:32

Hey guys aside from the VR MM bunfight
JL busted his ass out there to secure second place. The reaction of the crowd to him on the podium was in my view despicable.
Also I do wonder if the overpowering heat/humidity there fried a few brain cells.

Drew

27th October 2015, 14:35

Fucken hell, that's a lot of pages of everyone repeating themselves. I'm reminded of what my shrink told me. Being louder in a disagreement, does not alter your point of view or it's validity.

Maha

27th October 2015, 14:35

Typical Kb where opinions run free
And fact plays such a small part
Your laughable views
Are transparent without clue
They rate between a poo and a fart.

speights_bud

27th October 2015, 14:47

Typical Kb where opinions run free
And fact plays such a small part
Your laughable views
Are transparent without clue
They rate between a poo and a fart.
A shart?

I keep laughing at this shit that keeps turning up on my Facebook feed.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/26/9db61076099404f00b3cb998e7e7e8c5.jpg

Like they are going to listen to a few hundred thousand keyboard warriors.

Especially when the FIM have also backed up the decisions made and penalties imposed.

Can you imagine if they did remove the penalty points? It would be even worse for the sport. Rossi' the untouchable golden boy'

onearmedbandit

27th October 2015, 15:05

The reaction of the crowd to him on the podium was in my view despicable.
.

Saw footage today on bookface taken by a fan at the podium of Lorenzo supposedly signalling thumbs down when Rossi received his 3rd place trophy. That might explain the booing...

https://www.facebook.com/JurcekDolenc/videos/10207890160601658/

Edit - found the footage - make up your own mind but it looks like thumbs down, even if isn't could've appeared that way to the fans at the track.

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 15:22

Saw footage today on bookface taken by a fan at the podium of Lorenzo supposedly signalling thumbs down when Rossi received his 3rd place trophy. That might explain the booing...

https://www.facebook.com/JurcekDolenc/videos/10207890160601658/

Edit - found the footage - make up your own mind but it looks like thumbs down, even if isn't could've appeared that way to the fans at the track.

look liked it to me. That team relation is 100% fuked now also

pritch

27th October 2015, 15:26

https://www.facebook.com/JurcekDolenc/videos/10207890160601658/

Edit - found the footage - make up your own mind but it looks like thumbs down, even if isn't could've appeared that way to the fans at the track.

Well it does look a bit that way. There is a fan near the camera who cheered Rossi but as soon as Lorezo did his thing, the fan changed to a boo.
The others followed.

No doubt someone will be along soon to tell us that Lorenzo would never do that, but it'd have to be someone who hasn't seen the petulant perormance Lorenzo put on in the post-race press conference.

jasonu

27th October 2015, 15:35

A shart?

I keep laughing at this shit that keeps turning up on my Facebook feed.

Like they are going to listen to a few hundred thousand keyboard warriors.

Especially when the FIM have also backed up the decisions made and penalties imposed.

Can you imagine if they did remove the penalty points? It would be even worse for the sport. Rossi' the untouchable golden boy'

nearly 300,000 signatures must be considered significant but I doubt it will do any good.

Maha

27th October 2015, 15:45

Like they are going to listen to a few hundred thousand keyboard warriors.

Especially when the FIM have also backed up the decisions made and penalties imposed.

They should log in to KB, read the last 10 pages of this thread and learn a thing or two...:rolleyes:

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 15:54

A bloody good read

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 15:57

I seriously believe that Rossi will get out of his 2016 contract with Yamaha come season end now, I think it has taken him down a path now that he will not be happy with with. Just a shame that P esp has the Direct Yamaha contract, as I see him as a win or crash rider only, doubt he will become the man out there even given time. Iannone is the man I would be chasing big time to take his place

Crasherfromwayback

27th October 2015, 16:01

bogan

27th October 2015, 16:05

but it'd have to be someone who hasn't seen the petulant perormance Lorenzo put on in the post-race press conference.

Just watching it now, poor Dani looks fucking bored.

Oi. I thought you were done commenting on this thread? :whistle::

Well, he's gotta be able to make a comeback at somethingsorrybutnot sorry

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 16:06

Oi. I thought you were done commenting on this thread? :whistle::

I said done debating dude, even you can read my english

Badjelly

27th October 2015, 16:28

I said done debating dude, even you can read my english

Try Mr Barnard, Room 12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Sorry, that's abuse, you want Room 12A.

The End

27th October 2015, 16:28

Am yet to watch the race in its entirety and have already read about the goings on...sure sounds like it was one hell of an event.

Reckless

27th October 2015, 16:28

They should log in to KB, read the last 10 pages of this thread and learn a thing or two...:rolleyes:

Been to busy at Shorai International to comment much but I'm sure with Mike Webb being a Kiwi he's on KB :not:
He'll Print out all these pages of factual data to help with this and future decisions. :clap:

Maha

27th October 2015, 16:33

Am yet to watch the race in its entirety and have already read about the goings on...sure sounds like it was one hell of an event.

Only up until the incident, they replayed it at least 10 times and no one else got a look in really, oh they showed two Suzuki's doing something, who knew they were even in the race?

FROSTY

27th October 2015, 16:34

Saw footage today on bookface taken by a fan at the podium of Lorenzo supposedly signalling thumbs down when Rossi received his 3rd place trophy. That might explain the booing...

https://www.facebook.com/JurcekDolenc/videos/10207890160601658/

Edit - found the footage - make up your own mind but it looks like thumbs down, even if isn't could've appeared that way to the fans at the track.
That would explain a heck of a lot then. it LOOKED (on the clip) like he was talking to one person right at the front of the crowd.

husaberg

27th October 2015, 16:49

Fucken hell, that's a lot of pages of everyone repeating themselves. I'm reminded of what my shrink told me. Being louder in a disagreement, does not alter your point of view or it's validity.

So what did you yell back at him? :msn-wink:

A bloody good read

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

It was the fairest most impartial assessment I have read.............

carbonhed

27th October 2015, 17:11

Well it does look a bit that way. There is a fan near the camera who cheered Rossi but as soon as Lorezo did his thing, the fan changed to a boo.
The others followed.

No doubt someone will be along soon to tell us that Lorenzo would never do that, but it'd have to be someone who hasn't seen the petulant perormance Lorenzo put on in the post-race press conference.

Looks a bit that way............... pffffffffffffffffffffffft

Lorenzo was booed in parc ferme when he was being interviewed. No doubt the crowd are fucking psychic and saw into the future.

I swear just when you think the fanbois couldn't possibly get any more pathetic.... they go and surprise you.

onearmedbandit

27th October 2015, 17:28

Looks a bit that way............... pffffffffffffffffffffffft

Lorenzo was booed in parc ferme when he was being interviewed. No doubt the crowd are fucking psychic and saw into the future.

I swear just when you think the fanbois couldn't possibly get any more pathetic.... they go and surprise you.

Dude the original comment was regarding him getting booed on the podium. Keep up.

carbonhed

27th October 2015, 17:35

Dude the original comment was regarding him getting booed on the podium. Keep up.

Lorenzo was booed because he beat Rossi. And because Rossi made a cunt of himself.

onearmedbandit

27th October 2015, 17:37

Lorenzo was booed because he beat Rossi. And because Rossi made a cunt of himself.

Man you go on about fanbois, you're just as bad being an anti-fanboi lol.

:Pokey:

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 17:41

Try Mr Barnard, Room 12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Sorry, that's abuse, you want Room 12A.

Brilliant show that was

J.A.W.

27th October 2015, 17:58

Brilliant show that was

Yeah, Caramello must've been loving it..

That Malaysian G.P. was going 'hammer & tongs' - 'til that dirty ol' bugger Rossi - put the bloody boot in, & turned it into a boring procession.. bastard..

roogazza

27th October 2015, 18:15

Oliveira ,a nice win in Moto3

Zarco excellent in Moto2

Pedro classey in MotoGP

and if there had been 6 DNFs at the front,instead of 3, Bwadley would have WON ! :yawn:

Go Rossi, tho the shine has gone off it a bit now. Back of the grid in two weeks.

carbonhed

27th October 2015, 18:20

A bloody good read

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

Best I've read.

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 19:01

Best I've read.

A cleaver sharp clear journo that man, the very best in the world re bikes I say. The superbike planet journo is a real clown

Moise

27th October 2015, 19:05

It's a bloody long read! Very good though. But he obviously hadn't seen the vid of Rossi pushing Marquez with his knee.

As my wife often says about such situations, who was being the adult? And the answer of course is Dani Pedrosa.

Autech

27th October 2015, 19:08

F5 Dave

27th October 2015, 19:29

Hmm, what are the stats for Careless Chucker? (Still I predicted he would come right and win, but it didn't transpire).

Digitdion

27th October 2015, 20:05

Lorenzo was booed because he beat Rossi. And because Rossi made a cunt of himself.

Keeping up the tradition of KB but I have to add there are a few on here making cunts of themselves.

Shaun Harris

27th October 2015, 20:05

carbonhed

27th October 2015, 20:21

Keeping up the tradition of KB but I have to add there are a few on here making cunts of themselves.

Don't be too hard on yourself mate... I'm sure you'll improve with practice. :niceone:

husaberg

27th October 2015, 20:30

Possibly Mamola
1989
United States Randy Mamola USA 16 Ret Ret Ret Ret 12 Ret 7 11 Ret 11

I would say the moving chicane
1993
Kevin Mitchell Ret 24 18 17 Ret Ret 19 Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 13
1994
Kevin Mitchell Harris-Yamaha Ret Ret Ret 21 16 17 Ret 16 16 Ret Ret Ret Ret

1995
France Jean-Pierre Jeandat Paton Ret 19 20 Ret 15 Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret

Scott Gray ROC-Yamaha Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 22 Ret 17 Ret Ret Ret

1996
Adrien Bosshard ELF 500 Ret Ret Ret 19 Ret Ret Ret Ret 21 Ret Ret

1997
Kenny Roberts, Jr. Modenas KR3 Ret Ret 18 Ret Ret Ret 8 17 Ret Ret 11 9 8 9 14

Jean-Michel Bayle Modenas KR3 Ret 14 13 8 14 Ret Ret 8 Ret 8 DNS Ret Ret Ret 16

Brett

27th October 2015, 21:42

I guess the question is who needs who the most? Does Rossi need Moto Gp as much as Moto Gp needs Rossi? If Rossi retires, there goes a fair chunk of marketing and sponsorship with him. Not saying Moto Gp would not survive without Rossi, but they would definitely feel their pockets getting lighter

If Rossi were to leave and pick up a World Super Bike ride, I suspect many would flock from MotoGP to watch WSB instead! He sure has a cult following.

BMWST?

27th October 2015, 21:43

I would guess de Puniet.That motomatters was a good read alright.

Dave-

27th October 2015, 21:46

Meanwhile in Formula 1:

https://streamable.com/yy6n

OMFG HE THREW A HAT AT THE MAN!

Autech

27th October 2015, 21:59

Meanwhile in Formula 1:

https://streamable.com/yy6n

OMFG HE THREW A HAT AT THE MAN!

OMG! Did you see that 1 overtake manoeuvre where he had the inside line and the other guy had to go wide to give him room??? So dramatic!!!
F1 is fucking shit. Great engineering, yes, but racing? No...

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Brett

27th October 2015, 22:06

A bloody good read

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

What a fucking brilliant article that is. Long...but excellent.

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 06:25

so now repsol want a cry, and tall like soft cock politicians also- Boo hoo, there is plenty of other oil out there

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224665/1/repsol-slams-rossi-for-unacceptable-conduct.html

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 06:27

Meanwhile in Formula 1:

https://streamable.com/yy6n

OMFG HE THREW A HAT AT THE MAN!

Classic eh, both pinnacles on the same weekend lol

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 06:28

What a fucking brilliant article that is. Long...but excellent.

He know's his shit that guy. I note an earlier poster on here said that the writer DID NOT see Rossi knee him off, ( That is because he did not) as the rest of the world has seen via all the vids of it

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 06:31

1989
United States Randy Mamola USA 16 Ret Ret Ret Ret 12 Ret 7 11 Ret 11

I would say the moving chicane
1993
Kevin Mitchell Ret 24 18 17 Ret Ret 19 Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 13
1994
Kevin Mitchell Harris-Yamaha Ret Ret Ret 21 16 17 Ret 16 16 Ret Ret Ret Ret

1995
France Jean-Pierre Jeandat Paton Ret 19 20 Ret 15 Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret

Scott Gray ROC-Yamaha Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 22 Ret 17 Ret Ret Ret

1996
Adrien Bosshard ELF 500 Ret Ret Ret 19 Ret Ret Ret Ret 21 Ret Ret

1997
Kenny Roberts, Jr. Modenas KR3 Ret Ret 18 Ret Ret Ret 8 17 Ret Ret 11 9 8 9 14

Jean-Michel Bayle Modenas KR3 Ret 14 13 8 14 Ret Ret 8 Ret 8 DNS Ret Ret Ret 16

Good stats man, but only Randy was a factory bike as such, hence he was my first guess as top crasher/dnf, which he sure was good and consistent at. Back in those days, you got rides for having balls, now you have to actually finish races haha

Kiwi Graham

28th October 2015, 06:35

So am I to assume that unwritten rule (like so many others), doesn't apply to Rossi? Because, in 2010, Rossi traded paint and near ran his very own team mate off the track at Montegi, when he (Rossi) had no chance whatsoever for the title, when his team mate was trying to win it. Or is your memory just shit?

Anyway, Rossi may well continue his cry and not turn up.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151026a16.htm

Wow, one incident over 5 years ago, Yeah your right crasher clearly a long history of bad sportsmanship ;)

Crasherfromwayback

28th October 2015, 06:47

Wow, one incident over 5 years ago, Yeah your right crasher clearly a long history of bad sportsmanship ;)

I'd simply like you to tell me how it's not ok for MM to race guys not being in contention, yet it's ok for Rossi? That was the question.

denill

28th October 2015, 07:17

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=316905&d=1445973304&thumb=1&stc=1

onearmedbandit

28th October 2015, 07:35

I'd simply like you to tell me how it's not ok for MM to race guys not being in contention, yet it's ok for Rossi? That was the question.

I looked into that (my memory doesn't stretch that far haha) and it seems that not many people thought highly of Rossi doing it.

Edit - die hard fans excluded, fans of the sport looked at it as a bad move, poor form. Kind of like whats happening with Marquez now I guess.

Maha

28th October 2015, 07:40

Wow, one incident over 5 years ago, Yeah your right crasher clearly a long history of bad sportsmanship ;)

Kids eh.....:rolleyes:

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 08:26

Kids eh.....:rolleyes:

yea, we are trouble eh haha

carbonhed

28th October 2015, 09:05

Mamola on the lap times of Rossi and Marquez.

WTF happened to lap 7 Vale?

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224643/1/motogp-malaysia-rossi-marquez-lap-times.html

nodrog

28th October 2015, 09:23

when is the replay on sky?

pritch

28th October 2015, 10:28

Just wondering what the record for the most DNFs in a single season would be for a factory rider, surely MM is approaching that? We all know how he likes to break records. Someone put Harris onto it!

Harris? You must be joking, he wouldn't know if someone was up him. Doctor Martin Raines (sp?) is the MotoGP statistician. He would probably love the question. He occasionally pops up on Twitter, if I see him I'll ask.

Edit: in a moment of impatience I have asked him anyway. Now we have to await his response - if any.

Crasherfromwayback

28th October 2015, 10:42

I looked into that (my memory doesn't stretch that far haha) and it seems that not many people thought highly of Rossi doing it.

Edit - die hard fans excluded, fans of the sport looked at it as a bad move, poor form. Kind of like whats happening with Marquez now I guess.

I respect this guys opinion.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151027burgessonrossi.htm

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 10:48

when is the replay on sky?

PM Coming now

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 10:52

I respect this guys opinion.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151027burgessonrossi.htm

Me also. It all a case of sticks and stones now. Rossi has his penalty and his job to do still, it will make for a bloody good race to watch I reckon. He will be more out of shape with his bike than we have seen him for a long time, trying to get through the pack I think

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 10:53

onearmedbandit

28th October 2015, 11:01

I respect this guys opinion.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151027burgessonrossi.htm

Same. But doesn't have anything to do with the point at hand.

Crasherfromwayback

28th October 2015, 11:16

I looked into that (my memory doesn't stretch that far haha) and it seems that not many people thought highly of Rossi doing it.

Edit - die hard fans excluded, fans of the sport looked at it as a bad move, poor form. Kind of like whats happening with Marquez now I guess.

And that sir, is exactly my point. The Rossi fans are bitching hard out about it now...but Karma can be such a bitch.

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 11:24

And that sir, is exactly my point. The Rossi fans are bitching hard out about it now...but Karma can be such a bitch.

Come on Pete just admit you want your reach around boy back

5150

28th October 2015, 11:33

Just to lighten things up around here....... :msn-wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7BfQlBkk8

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 11:34

Read through totally all the real racers comments about this

http://bit.ly/1XxbmrW

I loved Ballis and Mcwilliams comments in paticular, I was of the same as Mcwilliams at first also

k14

28th October 2015, 11:42

I just want to clarify something about these "unwritten" rules:

1.) Do they still apply now that they are "written"? Does everyone starting in front of Rossi at Valencia need to pull over and let him past on the first lap? Maybe they should just put Lorenzo and Rossi in a separate race (Lorenzo on pole and Rossi in 20th or there abouts) and let them have their own race? The others can do their own 6 lap race afterwards.
2.) Are there any other "unwritten" rules that I should know about. Cause in the 5 or 6 years I raced I was never privy to the one everyone seems to be bandying about.

Me, I am very familar with unwritten rules in other aspects of life. When I used to play backyard cricket with my younger brothers they never seemed to know all of the unwritten rules, I always had to explain them at length after the aformentioned rule was breached. :brick:

mr bucketracer

28th October 2015, 11:58

Carl Fogarty is a great one to say what rossi did , seen him just smash into bikes,riders and take them out

jasonu

28th October 2015, 12:01

when is the replay on sky?

When they run out of rugby...

vifferman

28th October 2015, 12:20

And that sir, is exactly my point. The Rossi fans are bitching hard out about it now...but Karma can be such a bitch.
Whelp, I've been a Rossi fan since when he was on 125s, but to be honest, I found his pre-race rant about Marc Marc Marc Marquez uncomfortable - I thought he sounded like a dick.
Now, having read comments from the pros etc, I dunno what to think. Maybe Marc Marc Marc Marc (Marc) Marquez was deliberately fookinwidhim, maybe not. But... I do think he handled things badly and rashly, courtesy of him probably being under some internal pressure (no, not from baked beans) realising that the way things are going, this was his last really viable shot at a 10th World Champeeeenship Title. He is The Thirty Six Year Old Italian after all, as the announcingfools keep telling us.

onearmedbandit

28th October 2015, 13:56

MotoGP hits the mainstream media...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/bikes/73437590/marc-marquez-reinvents-motorcycle-racing

Whelstanding at 340km/h no less.

5150

28th October 2015, 13:58

So looks like JL99 days at Yamaha are numbered

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html

onearmedbandit

28th October 2015, 14:00

So looks like JL99 days at Yamaha are numbered

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html

That started from some Portuguese website and has been doing the rounds. Interesting but I'm not putting much trust in it.

Pumba

28th October 2015, 14:25

MotoGP hits the mainstream media...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/bikes/73437590/marc-marquez-reinvents-motorcycle-racing

Whelstanding at 340km/h no less.

I got bored after reading the first line. Then again I am not probably the target audience

Crasherfromwayback

28th October 2015, 14:34

Come on Pete just admit you want your reach around boy back

Yeah I am missing him!

Shaun Harris

28th October 2015, 14:38

Yeah I am missing him!

would have been great to see him and MM going at it. I think CS would have served him though

puddytat

28th October 2015, 15:17

I got bored after reading the first line. Then again I am not probably the target audience

They didn't mention anything about Avalon winning the womans championship this year at fucking all:tugger:

You'd think that a story about a woman would be exactly what they want for their Womans Weekly type of drivel that they think is Journalism.:oi-grr:

eldog

28th October 2015, 15:24

They didn't mention anything about Avalon winning the womans championship this year at fucking all:tugger:

You'd think that a story about a woman would be exactly what they want for their Womans Weekly type of drivel that they think is Journalism.:oi-grr:

They only think about ratings, its their job.
You have to dig for info

How much difference between the men and women times?
I don't currently follow the racing scene but your comment made me think

A few years ago you never really heard about womans tennis now there is a lot more.

actungbaby

28th October 2015, 15:32

Whelp, I've been a Rossi fan since when he was on 125s, but to be honest, I found his pre-race rant about Marc Marc Marc Marquez uncomfortable - I thought he sounded like a dick.
Now, having read comments from the pros etc, I dunno what to think. Maybe Marc Marc Marc Marc (Marc) Marquez was deliberately fookinwidhim, maybe not. But... I do think he handled things badly and rashly, courtesy of him probably being under some internal pressure (no, not from baked beans) realising that the way things are going, this was his last really viable shot at a 10th World Champeeeenship Title. He is The Thirty Six Year Old Italian after all, as the announcingfools keep telling us.

MM was acting like a spolit brat he is but rossi should have not done what he did .things have changed from 1983 Fast freddy spencer ran Kenny roberts of the track and himself to win the the world title .

I think they been better to take the seven points advantage off him let him start with his team mate and say here first home wins the title.

carbonhed

28th October 2015, 16:22

I just rewatched Motegi 2010 that crasher was talking about. Rossi was much rougher and riskier on Lorenzo, his teammate and champion elect, than Marquez was on him. What a hypocrite the man is.

That was the year he left Yamaha for Ducati and he'd just told everybody that Stoner wasn't trying hard enough on it. Stoner won in Motegi.

Digitdion

28th October 2015, 16:53

It's classic tall poppy syndrome on here. The Doctor is loved all over the world. He has a great record. The oldest rider in the field, and still challenging ( or he was) for the title.
With the Sepang incident Rossi , Marquez , and Lorenzo were all dicks!
Shit happens! I bet the ratings will go thru the roof for the last race!

jasonu

28th October 2015, 17:34

A few years ago you never really heard about womans tennis now there is a lot more.

What planet are you from? Billi Jean King, Monica Seles, those 2 black sistas...

eldog

28th October 2015, 17:36

What planet are you from? Billi Jean King, Monica Seles, those 2 black sistas...

I was meaning that you see more of the games not just snippits on the news
The mens tennis used to get far more coverage than the womens IMO

FROSTY

28th October 2015, 17:38

if I was a really cynical barsteward I would say that its all a frikken loada bollox.
Interest in Motogp is slipping.. What can we do to get bums on seats ?. (tv viewers watching)
A good ol stouch between a couple of the top runners will do it.

Crasherfromwayback

28th October 2015, 17:45

I just rewatched Motegi 2010 that crasher was talking about. Rossi was much rougher and riskier on Lorenzo, his teammate and champion elect, than Marquez was on him. What a hypocrite the man is.

.

I think all of the Rossi fans and MM haters should be made to watch it mate.

ellipsis

28th October 2015, 17:47

...this thread is getting about as annoying as listening to a Ducati clutch...

Crasherfromwayback

28th October 2015, 17:59

...this thread is getting about as annoying as listening to a Ducati clutch...

Lol. Even I've had enough of it and I've contributed to it too much. I just hope the old boy does turn up at Valencia and gives it his best bash! Lorenzo could bin it yet.

carbonhed

28th October 2015, 18:00

...this thread is getting about as annoying as listening to a Ducati clutch...

Fuck Off! Nothing is as annoying as a Ducati clutch.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/the-sepang-incident/

Luckylegs

28th October 2015, 18:24

What planet are you from? Billi Jean King, Monica Seles, those 2 black sistas...

Mmmmmmm - Gabriela Sabatini

husaberg

28th October 2015, 19:42

Good stats man, but only Randy was a factory bike as such, hence he was my first guess as top crasher/dnf, which he sure was good and consistent at. Back in those days, you got rides for having balls, now you have to actually finish races haha

Kenny Roberts will be a but miffed at you for suggesting his baby Mondena was not a factory effort, even if it was made in England.
Both those riders were also world champions admittedly one a few years in the future and one in MX.

Mamola was kept around by Kenny and let go a couple of times from memory as to many of his crashes were doing wheelies and in warm up laps etc. I only seen the tail end of his career but I remember him for entertainment.
He had a reputation for goofing around when the sport was a little more serious than it was only a few years earlier on.
Kenny kept him on the books I think as he was a very good development rider and tyre tester.

Tazz

28th October 2015, 20:54

I think all of the Rossi fans and MM haters should be made to watch it mate.

Looks well clean enough to me?

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Digitdion

28th October 2015, 21:32

I think all of the Rossi fans and MM haters should be made to watch it mate.

Move on. You are playing the same old song and it's getting boring.
:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn

sugilite

28th October 2015, 21:34

OK, I know I'm well late to this party :lol: but I have been to freaking busy this week to get on KB till just now.
I watched the race and saw the replay footage many times, I thought the helicopter shot showed it best.
The way I saw it was MM passed Rossi, then in the corners where a pass was night on impossible would slow, then speed up where a pass was possibly on. When Rossi passed, MM rode like a demon to get back past, then repeat, and again, and again etc. Both myself and girlfriend commented on that watching the race live before MM had even crashed. So to my mind it is no point looking at overall lap times like Randy Mamaloa did, but more so the split lap times like you see in qualifying would better tell the tale. So yeah MM was being a right cunt, within the rules, but still a cunt.
Rossi did not kick him off, and I do not believe he wanted MM to crash, but rather run him riiiiight out to the edge. MM did not have to turn in when he did, he got impatient and payed the price. If Rossi had wanted to take him out, he would of done it another way - riders of his experience have many more subtle ways to get the job done without attracting instant sanctions.
I'm not condoning either riders actions, just calling it like I saw it.

Autech

28th October 2015, 21:42

Harris? You must be joking, he wouldn't know if someone was up him. Doctor Martin Raines (sp?) is the MotoGP statistician. He would probably love the question. He occasionally pops up on Twitter, if I see him I'll ask.

Edit: in a moment of impatience I have asked him anyway. Now we have to await his response - if any.

Thanks Pritch, lets see if he comes back with anything. I was joking about Harris of course, he does like to say his "first ever bastard born former monk to ever win a _______" lots though!

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Reckless

28th October 2015, 21:47

pritch

28th October 2015, 21:49

Fuck Off! Nothing is as annoying as a Ducati clutch.

I think the clutch on my 1954 AJS was better than the clutch on my S4R so you won't get an argument from me.

Crasherfromwayback

28th October 2015, 22:49

Move on. You are playing the same old song and it's getting boring.
:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn

You're boring no matter the subject.

Shaun Harris

29th October 2015, 06:25

Kenny Roberts will be a but miffed at you for suggesting his baby Mondena was not a factory effort, even if it was made in England.
Both those riders were also world champions admittedly one a few years in the future and one in MX.

Mamola was kept around by Kenny and let go a couple of times from memory as to many of his crashes were doing wheelies and in warm up laps etc. I only seen the tail end of his career but I remember him for entertainment.
He had a reputation for goofing around when the sport was a little more serious than it was only a few years earlier on.
Kenny kept him on the books I think as he was a very good development rider and tyre tester.

I'm sure Kenny does not read Kb lol but they deff were not a factory team. Yes R Mamola clowned around all the time, hence his crashes etc. And now he even clowns around still as part of the decision making re VR and MM last weekend. I remember seeing Mamola at wanganui in the good old Marb? Cigarette people days way back when. I must have been younger than 9 at the time

Autech

29th October 2015, 07:47

I think the clutch on my 1954 AJS was better than the clutch on my S4R so you won't get an argument from me.

The Diavel clutch requires Arnold Schwarzenegger's grip strength to pull it in. Fucking awful in traffic!

Autech

29th October 2015, 08:26

Yaaanonee is keep for a scap for 4th
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224689/1/luckless-iannone-not-giving-up-on-fourth.html

Should be a laugh if the two of them get together for a battle in Valencia. Not been too much scrapping between them this year, Iannone's straight line speed won't be quite as dramatic vs Pedrosa's Honda plus ability to get it out of the corners. We know who my money is on :niceone:

Shaun Harris

29th October 2015, 16:41

The whole problem has been taken care of now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCbJCDHVpg&app=desktop

roogazza

29th October 2015, 16:55

The whole problem has been taken care of now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCbJCDHVpg&app=desktop

well spotted Robert Harris. Enjoyed that. :laugh:

mr bucketracer

29th October 2015, 17:09

The whole problem has been taken care of now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCbJCDHVpg&app=desktopthats funny:ar15::ar15:

sil3nt

29th October 2015, 17:21

Stoner Ducati 2017
http://gpxtra.com/2015/10/27/casey-stoner-back-to-ducati-in-2017/

Must be a slow news day.

Would love to see him back though!

Shaun Harris

29th October 2015, 17:22

well spotted Robert Harris. Enjoyed that. :laugh:

I'm the Milo man, not the coffee dude lol- Fukin funny eh, Im still giggling

Shaun Harris

29th October 2015, 17:22

Stoner Ducati 2017
http://gpxtra.com/2015/10/27/casey-stoner-back-to-ducati-in-2017/

Must be a slow news day.

Would love to see him back though!

Not enough bibs to catch all the milk he would be throwing up man-- SERIOUSLY though, he was class for sure on the throttle

carbonhed

29th October 2015, 17:31

Stoner Ducati 2017
http://gpxtra.com/2015/10/27/casey-stoner-back-to-ducati-in-2017/

Must be a slow news day.

Would love to see him back though!

It would be great to see him back but that story's just pure speculation.

In other news Vale has untangled his knickers and will now front at Valencia... well not so much "front"... more like loiter at the back of the class menacingly.

Shaun Harris

29th October 2015, 17:37

It would be great to see him back but that story's just pure speculation.

In other news Vale has untangled his knickers and will now front at Valencia... well not so much "front"... more like loiter at the back of the class menacingly.

If he wins the champs now, he is the god of all gods! He will win the champs in 2016 for sure. No one can adapt like he can, and that is what it is gunna take in the 1st year back of Michi tires

Dave-

29th October 2015, 17:56

So Rossi can enter qualifying? and slow George and Marc down cause there's no rule against it?

carbonhed

29th October 2015, 18:00

sil3nt

29th October 2015, 18:03

So Rossi can enter qualifying? and slow George and Marc down cause there's no rule against it?Fairly sure there are rules for impeding riders in Qualifying.

carbonhed

29th October 2015, 18:11

Fairly sure there are rules for impeding riders in Qualifying.

And Rossi's already picked up a point this year for doing it.

husaberg

29th October 2015, 18:12

If he wins the champs now, he is the god of all gods! He will win the champs in 2016 for sure. No one can adapt like he can, and that is what it is gunna take in the 1st year back of Michi tires

I have an idea based on what was decades of past collaboration that the Michelin tires will still suit the Hondas. Maybe even more so than the Yamahas. That's purely speculation of course.
Then again Michelins in the past have never really suited a hard charging front style that a lot of the riders enjoy Now so as you say a few might struggle as the vast majority are without the 500GP and dirt background.

Shaun Harris

29th October 2015, 18:48

I have an idea based on what was decades of past collaboration that the Michelin tires will still suit the Hondas. Maybe even more so than the Yamahas. That's purely speculation of course.
Then again Michelins in the past have never really suited a hard charging front style that a lot of the riders enjoy Now so as you say a few might struggle as the vast majority are without the 500GP and dirt background.

The past is the past, and it is now a whole new ball game. Every thing is new to michi now realy

Digitdion

29th October 2015, 19:13

Shaun Harris

29th October 2015, 19:21

Badjelly

29th October 2015, 19:44

Can they take points off Rossi if this was to happen?

Oh, yes.

10 char 10 char

husaberg

29th October 2015, 20:00

The past is the past, and it is now a whole new ball game. Every thing is new to michi now realy
All very true but the more stuff changes the more it sometimes stays the same.
The different tyre construction approaches by Michelin and Bridgestone appear to be the same as the old days of the Dunlop's vs Michelins.

"we’re still trying to improve the front, as we still have some issues and we have to continue improving.”Michelin Racing’s Technical Director Nicolas Goubert after testing Aragon 2015

Again after Aragon testing

The crash, along with others, suggests there are still several problems with the Michelin tires which need ironing out. The front, Goubert acknowledged, still needs some improvement, and the French tire maker is working on a range of compounds to solve the issues. Testing during the current season, with bikes set up mainly for Bridgeston es, is still a tricky affair, as the character of the two tire brands is so radically different. The Bridgestone front is incredibly strong and very planted, and can be trusted implicitly into corners, while the rear does not excel in producing grip and drive. Michelins are precisely the opposite, the rear being outstanding, while the front does not have the grip of the Bridgestone. MotoGP bikes are set up with a rearward weight bias for the Bridgestones, the front not needing any help to gain grip. The opposite is needed for the Michelins, the front needing all the help it can get, while the rear grips and drives easily. The real testing of the Michelins will start at Valencia, on the Tuesday after the race. From then, the teams will be focused entirely on the Michelins, and will start work on setting the bike up around the new tire brand.

From memory Michelin always favoured a stiffer carcass construction and it allows a softer rubber and the others favoured a softer carcass and harder rubber compound.

Moise

29th October 2015, 20:05

He know's his shit that guy. I note an earlier poster on here said that the writer DID NOT see Rossi knee him off, ( That is because he did not) as the rest of the world has seen via all the vids of it
Sorry, thought I'd posted this on KB: https://mobile.twitter.com/ben_djorkaeff/status/658278049306161152

Could be of course that Marquez's helmet hit him just below the knee and it was purely a reflex action.

carbonhed

29th October 2015, 20:37

Could be of course that Marquez's helmet hit him just below the knee and it was purely a reflex action.

:laugh: Not seen that angle before. Disgusting.

5150

29th October 2015, 21:07

HEHE. Had to share sorry :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCbJCDHVpg

pritch

29th October 2015, 21:19

Fairly sure there are rules for impeding riders in Qualifying.

Several days ago one of the pundits, maybe Mat Oxley, was saying that it can actually be an advantage not having to worry about qualifying. Free of the restraints of having to switch focus during each practice session to chase a fast lap, Rossi can concentrate entirely on setup.

All of which sounds somewhat like making a virtue of necessity but...

pritch

29th October 2015, 21:28

Rossi should have a problem with the bike , pop back into the pits . Get back out there lol and behold right with Lorenzo of course. Even though he is a lap behind he could take Lorenzo out. Just a racing incident. It's in the rules that even though he is a lap behind he can still race Lorenzo.Do a slightly better job than last week and bingo he is champ again.

He should be black flagged pronto in that scenario. In the past Italian riders have blocked another rider so that one of theirs could win the title. That though was in neutral territory, doing it in Jerez would be near suicidal. In a similar points situation Schmacher took his main opposition out and being ahead on points at the time he was awarded the title.

There are lots of possibilities, including a dud tyre. There have been a few this year.

Shaun Harris

30th October 2015, 10:15

Oscar

30th October 2015, 10:57

Shit this is like waiting for the Rugby World Cup final.
Please let the talking be over and the racing to start...

onearmedbandit

30th October 2015, 11:38

Shit this is like waiting for the Rugby World Cup final.
Please let the talking be over and the racing to start...

True. But if you think this is bad try being a member of any MotoGP related page on facebook...

pritch

30th October 2015, 13:14

I can see the next race being RED flagged due to spectators invading or damaging track conditions some how, before Rossi even has a chance to get through the pack, causing a result being given on laps prior, giving JL a FALSE championship win. Will JL winge then? Bah humbug he will

They'd have to be careful, if the race was called off too early the Championship would go to Rossi wouldn't it? At some point they can award half points but I think they have to have completed X many laps for that.

pritch

31st October 2015, 07:48

Rossi is appealing his grid penalty to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. That's interesting because normally when an appeal is in progress any penalties imposed previously are placed on hold until the appeal is heard. The process would normally be expected to take six months or thereabout. So far, however, the FIM have not announced that Rossi's grid penalty has been waived meantime.

Several sets of lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee because, regardless of the outcome, they will be the winners.

Previously the President of the FIM had sent an open letter to all involved in MotoGP. There were complaints that the letter didn't actually say anything. When I read it the thought occurred that it may have been written in Italian and translated (badly) in to English. Basically it was an appeal to everyone: riders, teams, sponsors etc, to behave according to values consistant with good sportsmanship. The Prez may find the latest development disappointing? :whistle:

Reckless

31st October 2015, 08:01

Rossi is appealing his grid penalty to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (or whatever its proper title may be). That's interesting because normally when an appeal is in progress any penalties imposed previously are placed on hold until the appeal is heard. The process would normally take six months or thereabout. So far, however, the FIM have not announced that Rossi's grid penalty has been waived meantime.

Several sets of lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee because, regardless of the outcome, they will be the winners.

Previously the President of the FIM had sent an open letter to all involved in MotoGP. There were complaints that the letter didn't actually say anything. When I read it the thought occurred that it may have been written in Italian and translated (badly) in to English. Basically it was an appeal to everyone: riders, teams, sponsors etc, to behave according to values consistant with sportsmanship.

Full breakdown here
https://motomatters.com/news/2015/10/30/valentino_rossi_appeals_sepang_penalty_t.html

Way I see it
His fisrt step is to get a case heard, second is win or loose the championship then decide to fight it or not?
At least well get to see who might have won fair and square. For that reason I think race control will let CAS hear the case and delay the 3 points?

ecko_nzed

31st October 2015, 08:26

Oh goodie, I love it when lawyers get involved in sport. [emoji35]

roogazza

31st October 2015, 08:41

Go Rossi ! Lets settle this on a race track. :shifty:

macka77

31st October 2015, 08:58

I hope for the sake of the sport that the issue can be resolved quickly and finally, with respect to rossi his view means that should he win his case, it will be setting a precedent on legally running riders out wide with no fault
of liability for any crashes

BMWST?

31st October 2015, 09:41

Full breakdown here
https://motomatters.com/news/2015/10/30/valentino_rossi_appeals_sepang_penalty_t.html

Way I see it
His fisrt step is to get a case heard, second is win or loose the championship then decide to fight it or not?
At least well get to see who might have won fair and square. For that reason I think race control will let CAS hear the case and delay the 3 points?
they will have to have two races then,one with VR starting from where he qualifies ,and one fro the back.Then depending on the outcome of the appeal we will know what would have happened anyway

Reckless

31st October 2015, 10:30

they will have to have two races then,one with VR starting from where he qualifies ,and one fro the back.Then depending on the outcome of the appeal we will know what would have happened anyway

The way I read it if he gets the case heard and the 3 point penalty put on hold he will start from where he qualifies.
I'm betting they have thought this out very well.

1/- He looses by enough for Lonzenge to win the championship = he lets it go and doesnt fight it.

2/- He wins the championship = who the fuck in their right mind is going to take a 10th title from Valantino Rossi

Its a win for everbody, MM never had a chance anyway, Lonzenge made a dick of himself by not keeping his trap shut, we get the real race and championship result! Yamaha happy, Race control off the hook, Marketing Dept happy, best result for the sport out of a terrible situation.

Thats why Race control will let it be heard by cas they will suspend the decision and the race will proceed as normal.

PS AND a New set of rules for next year so this shit cant happen again.

Crasherfromwayback

31st October 2015, 10:58

Should've black flagged the fucker in the first place. MM won his second title having had one. :msn-wink:

puddytat

31st October 2015, 11:18

2015....the season that keeps on giving.:woohoo:
this race could end up like a roller derby...

Crasherfromwayback

31st October 2015, 12:02

This gets you a ride through (as in fucks your race totally)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2edeQXpLo78

But running a guy out of track on purpose? Fuck all.

pritch

31st October 2015, 12:07

I haven't read Motomatters yet, but while making a sandwich and a cuppa for lunch the thought occurred that if Rossi gets a stay, his penalty is put aside until the court hearing. Meantime he then starts Jerez from where he qualifies. If he loses, or drops his appeal, he would then start from the back of the grid at Qatar next year - if he hasn't decided to retire, and if Yamaha haven't decided to dispense with his services.

KTM might be looking for a rider?

Afterthunk: OK I've read Motomatters now, there is a variation of opinions expressed in the comments - of course! I'm with the first guy I read, initially this whole thing was unpleasant. Basically it had ruined the championship which had promised an exciting conclusion. Now though, the thing seems to have developed a life of its own. We can only await developments with interest. One way or another this is going in to the history books.

The most relaxed guy in the world is probably Jeremy Burgess.

onearmedbandit

31st October 2015, 12:15

This gets you a ride through (as in fucks your race totally)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2edeQXpLo78

But running a guy out of track on purpose? Fuck all.

You should start a court case over it Pete!!!!

Crasherfromwayback

31st October 2015, 12:26

You should start a court case over it Pete!!!!

Leave that to the total losers. Oh hang on...:baby:

onearmedbandit

31st October 2015, 12:27

Leave that to the total losers. Oh hang on...:baby:

Hahahahahahah

husaberg

31st October 2015, 12:48

https://youtu.be/LOWq0EHe_w8

pritch

31st October 2015, 19:37

But running a guy out of track on purpose? .

He ran the guy wide. Lotsa people do that, Barbera based a career on it. Lotsa people don't fall off, but if they do the guy on the inside may have to answer some questions.

Don't get too carried away though Pete, people may get the impression you are not a Rossi fan. :devil2:

I don't like unnecessary black flags. In a four wheeled sport a friend of mine rather startled me when he said he wouldn't stop for a black flag. His view was that you could argue your case afterward. If you stopped, but then proved that you were in the right? Tough shit.

Black flags should be obeyed wthout question, but should only be used when there is an immediate and unquestionable problem. That is not the case here.
As indicated by the fact that currently this could drag on for another six to twelve months.

Reckless

31st October 2015, 22:02

All in all though whoever you support or don't?
It has to be said if every damn rider carried on like Rossi did round the sweeper at Hampton it'd be fucken dangerous!
End of the day that shit cant be condoned as normal practice.

Still recon they'll sacrifice a race next year so he can have a shot at 10 now.

Yes I'm a Rossi fan, like to see him get 10 titles, but I think this has to be addressed sooner or later.

onearmedbandit

1st November 2015, 07:26

It has to be said if every damn rider carried on like Rossi did round the sweeper at Hampton it'd be fucken dangerous!

Just out of curiosity how fast is the sweeper at Hampton?

nzspokes

1st November 2015, 07:44

Just out of curiosity how fast is the sweeper at Hampton?

Depends how fast you are. So for me not very. Cant say Ive looked at my speedo on it.

But its wide enough to land a 747 on.

Drew

1st November 2015, 08:36

Just out of curiosity how fast is the sweeper at Hampton?

Cog higher than the one at Ruapuna, and the exit isn't abrupt so ya don't have to hold back with opening the taps for fear of plowing into pit wall.

Grumph

1st November 2015, 09:34

I'm waiting till I see it this arvo before expressing an opinion...But I see on another forum that some Italian journos went pranking outside the Marquez family home...fisticuffs reported. This is the season that just keeps on giving...

Grumph

1st November 2015, 09:37

Cog higher than the one at Ruapuna, and the exit isn't abrupt so ya don't have to hold back with opening the taps for fear of plowing into pit wall.

FFS Holdens answer to that was open the taps earlier and get the bike pointing where you needed it to.

I've only ever seen one go into the wall - and that was a riderless bike.

nudemetalz

1st November 2015, 10:34

It's getting worse :( http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11538289

jasonu

1st November 2015, 11:35

It's getting worse :( http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11538289

Well the Harold said VR kicked MM so that must be how it went down.

Dago prank show, Ill bet that is a laugh a minute...

BMWST?

1st November 2015, 12:04

He ran the guy wide.

that is the understatement of the current geological period.There is running wide,and there are blockpasses.That manoeuvre was neither of these.They were at the complete other side of the track from where they should have been,if things went to the end of the trajectory they were on MM would have been of the track.

Crasherfromwayback

1st November 2015, 13:16

He ran the guy wide. Lotsa people do that, Barbera based a career on it. Lotsa people don't fall off, but if they do the guy on the inside may have to answer some questions.

Don't get too carried away though Pete, people may get the impression you are not a Rossi fan. :devil2:

.

Actually, you may've seen I've been only too happy to pat the guy on the back this season for his efforts. But I've always thought and said he's a dirty cunt, now others get to see that too.

That's all.

Digitdion

1st November 2015, 13:59

Actually, you may've seen I've been only too happy to pat the guy on the back this season for his efforts. But I've always thought and said he's a dirty cunt, now others get to see that too.

That's all.
So with your theory Rossi is a dirty cunt. So Marquez must be a spoilt little twat. And Lorenzo is such a fucking whinger.
Maybe they are actually all similar?
The difference is Rossi is loved by the fans all over. Perhaps that's why people like yourself and Loranzo and Marquez do not like him.

schrodingers cat

1st November 2015, 13:59

Actually, you may've seen I've been only too happy to pat the guy on the back this season for his efforts. But I've always thought and said he's a dirty cunt, now others get to see that too.

That's all.

He's certainly a 'robust' racer.
I've never had any time for racers who act as 'spoilers'
MM threw his own season away. If I was team manger I'd be telling him to stay out of it

This is not to suggest that 46 is blameless but in this instance, when you look at the frame by frame, who hit who?

Shaun Harris

1st November 2015, 14:06

He's certainly a 'robust' racer.
I've never had any time for racers who act as 'spoilers'
MM threw his own season away. If I was team manger I'd be telling him to stay out of it

This is not to suggest that 46 is blameless but in this instance, when you look at the frame by frame, who hit who?

Bang on! No matter what others may say, the film does not lie like MM does

Crasherfromwayback

1st November 2015, 14:18

So with your theory Rossi is a dirty cunt. So Marquez must be a spoilt little twat. And Lorenzo is such a fucking whinger.
Maybe they are actually all similar?
The difference is Rossi is loved by the fans all over. Perhaps that's why people like yourself and Loranzo and Marquez do not like him.

Rossi was born into GP racing, not MM. Rossi is, and will always be the most loved road racer of all time, and good on him. I tend to not worry about such things, I prefer to concentrate on what they do on the track. Tis why I don't, and never have liked him. I've raced against the odd person like him. They're fucking assholes.

Drew

1st November 2015, 14:24

FFS Holdens answer to that was open the taps earlier and get the bike pointing where you needed it to.

I've only ever seen one go into the wall - and that was a riderless bike.

I am a touch below that level of skill. Like, a sledgehammer sized 'touch'.

Works on the chair mind you.

Tazz

1st November 2015, 14:57

He's certainly a 'robust' racer.
I've never had any time for racers who act as 'spoilers'
MM threw his own season away. If I was team manger I'd be telling him to stay out of it

This is not to suggest that 46 is blameless but in this instance, when you look at the frame by frame, who hit who?

I think the contact is redundant. He was already being run off the track, intentionally. You wouldn't expect that at a bucket racing meet let alone MotoGP.

Deserved or not is another story.

Crasherfromwayback

1st November 2015, 15:06

jasonu

1st November 2015, 15:21

Rossi was born into GP racing, not MM. Rossi is, and will always be the most loved road racer of all time, and good on him. .

I love Mick Doohan more than Rossi.

Shaun Harris

1st November 2015, 15:22

Nail and head right there.

Bollox Pete. FFS stop comparing Harley and club scene racing to full on factory pro racing dude

Drew

1st November 2015, 15:27

Shaun Harris

1st November 2015, 15:32

People better stop telling me to race a bucket then.

let do it, we will both be banned for ever hahaha

Crasherfromwayback

1st November 2015, 15:38

Bollox Pete. FFS stop comparing Harley and club scene racing to full on factory pro racing dude

I'm doing nothing of the sort. But sorry, I forgot you're the only one here qualified to comment on GP racing. And club scene racing? Lol. I've no doubt I've beaten Bruce Anstey more often that you have. But that's another story eh.

Shaun Harris

1st November 2015, 15:51

I'm doing nothing of the sort. But sorry, I forgot you're the only one here qualified to comment on GP racing. And club scene racing? Lol. I've no doubt I've beaten Bruce Anstey more often that you have. But that's another story eh.

O dear, you really have got your self down to a low level man, I will refrain from commenting on your comments any more than Pete. Happy days man

Digitdion

1st November 2015, 15:55

Rossi was born into GP racing, not MM. Rossi is, and will always be the most loved road racer of all time, and good on him. I tend to not worry about such things, I prefer to concentrate on what they do on the track. Tis why I don't, and never have liked him. I've raced against the odd person like him. They're fucking assholes.

Yes it's about what they do on the track. Vale has 9 world championships. The oldest rider in the current field and leading the championship with one race to go.thats all on the track. So with your comments you should like Rossi.
To add to that he is the most liked racer by the majority.
Do you personally know Rossi?
You say you have raced against the odd person like him. Perhaps you were on the receiving end of there actions ah?

Crasherfromwayback

1st November 2015, 16:00

I will refrain from commenting on your comments any more than Pete.

Thank fuck for that.

Digitdion

1st November 2015, 16:01

I think the contact is redundant. He was already being run off the track, intentionally. You wouldn't expect that at a bucket racing meet let alone MotoGP.

Deserved or not is another story.

There is clear doubt that Rossi was intentionally trying to run him off the track.
It is clear that Rossi was trying to impede him. There is a difference. Marquez was not blind sided by Rossi. Marquez had plenty of time to pull back and avoid Rossi. Marquez chose to push and he came into contact with the doctor.

Shaun Harris

1st November 2015, 16:18

Grumph

1st November 2015, 16:30

well i wouldn't buy a T shirt from either of them...But now i've seen it - although given free to air TV, not all of it...i look at motivations for the actions.
IMO marquez simply went out to be a spoiler. And on a bike which wasn't handling well enough for the win. In my day, he'd have bitten grass much earlier. And the stewards then would have told him not to be a dick or it would undoubtedly happen again...
Rossi i think was simply trying to take marquez aside and make gestures to him...It wasn't that wide, he didn't run him onto the verge, MM fell on the track.
MM Could certainly have avoided Rossi but IMO wanted to get in his face and harass him.
i didn't see Rossi's leg lifted to hit the bar, IMO, MM ran into Rossi's leg and knocked it off the peg. But I don't have the benefit of frame by frame replays..

IMO again, MM shouldn't come out of this free of penalty either.

right that's one old man's view.

The End

1st November 2015, 16:31

I've only recently got back in to MotoGP so don't really have a 'favourite' rider/team as such, but from watching last week's race + reading a lot of rants online it is clear that there are a lot of opinions out there.

I think this has helped to clear it up for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud9CUlFLPmw

Shaun Harris

1st November 2015, 16:36

post 3677 and 3678 get my vote also. MM is very fast, but a child still, and was acting like one once again

Grumph

1st November 2015, 16:42

post 3677 and 3678 get my vote also. MM is very fast, but a child still, and was acting like one once again

Lot of talent, not a lot of direction. If he's got a good minder he might come good eventually. But given the hot spanish blood rushing to his head, it could take a while...

Reminds me a lot of a very tall Kiwi who needed steering badly in the early stages of his career. He came right.

Autech

1st November 2015, 16:48

Pedrosa champion 2016!!!

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schrodingers cat

1st November 2015, 16:49

I think the contact is redundant. He was already being run off the track, intentionally. You wouldn't expect that at a bucket racing meet let alone MotoGP.

Deserved or not is another story.

Running someone up into the marbles?
Certainly an acceptable part of the menu to make a break.
Running them off the seal - not on.

Biggest problem with doing it is the time you lose to those in front of you.

Pulling back from the whole thing this is the way I see it.
This season has been stunning.
The rider who was utterly dominant the year before for one reason and another is out of contention.
The old fella has dug deep and learned some new tricks. He is NOT the fastest rider out there any more. JL, MM and DP are all faster. DP's season has been gutted by his arm pump issues.

So where we end up is a battle between two teammates.
And despite the fact that one is head and shoulders faster now, his older teammate is leading the championship.
Great!

What I was looking forward to was seeing how that would pan out.
Either way , whoever won would deserve it for their own reasons.

In my view - MM's misdirected energies have stolen that from the sport

Shaun Harris

1st November 2015, 16:52

Lot of talent, not a lot of direction. If he's got a good minder he might come good eventually. But given the hot spanish blood rushing to his head, it could take a while...

Reminds me a lot of a very tall Kiwi who needed steering badly in the early stages of his career. He came right.

Yep, and check his father out. The first thing HRC should do, is ban him from the race track for all the meetings.

carbonhed

1st November 2015, 17:13

Yep, and check his father out. The first thing HRC should do, is ban him from the race track for all the meetings.

Why? What did he do?

AllanB

1st November 2015, 17:37

I only catch glimpses of moto GP now it went to Sky. And who sits on their arse watching tv on a Sunday arvo unless it is a shitty winters day?

So - a opinion from a Rossi fan.

It's fucking racing - get in my face and I'll push back - those soft cunts would struggle in Aussie V8 racing etc etc, nudge nudge argey bargy to let each other know they are there.

Bring back the Isle of Man round in the Moto GP championship and that will sort them all out. Just imagine it!

And yes - I have had a beer - a bloody nice Tuatara Pilsner - tried their Pale Ale last night and I am impressed at their brewing. Worth the coin over a mainstay brew any day.

ellipsis

1st November 2015, 17:49

In my view - MM's misdirected energies have stolen that from the sport

...that's as much a valid point as any...MM, the little cunt has fucked up big time...every bit as much as VR's indescretion...I feel kind of sad and empty of any of the joy the season was bringing me...

carbonhed

1st November 2015, 18:18

Has anybody got a link to the breakdown of sector times that proves Rossi's point of MM slowing down?

We've heard that the laptimes show nothing much but that the proof lies in the sector times... but I must have missed that spreadsheet breakdown. How hard could it be?

Shaun Harris

2nd November 2015, 06:27

Shaun Harris

2nd November 2015, 06:31

Why? What did he do?

Nothing directly obvious to this incident. But if you look at how excited he gets about things ( Spanish passion) his mentality must rub off onto his very young son.

Erelyes

2nd November 2015, 07:48

What I was looking forward to was seeing how that would pan out.
Either way , whoever won would deserve it for their own reasons.

In my view - MM's misdirected energies have stolen that from the sport

In MM's defence;
- VR wasn't quick enough to pull a gap and lose him.
- VR wasn't nearly quick enough to catch JL.

Where does it say MM has to accept 4th, and let Rossi come 3rd, just to keep it 'a fight between VR and JL'?

If VR was smart, he would have tucked in behind MM, drafted on the straights, saved his tyres, then battled nearer the end of the race.

Unless of course he wasn't quick enough to stick with MM....

Autech

2nd November 2015, 07:55

If VR was smart, he would have tucked in behind MM, drafted on the straights, saved his tyres, then battled nearer the end of the race.

Unless of course he wasn't quick enough to stick with MM....

Yes but according to Rossi he wasn't "Opening the throttle" on the straights, ie MM was prolonging the battle for as long as possible.

pritch

2nd November 2015, 09:55

If VR was smart, he would have tucked in behind MM, drafted on the straights, saved his tyres, then battled nearer the end of the race.

Hardly. When Marquez was leading Rossi the gap to JL lengthened. MM was deliberately slowing. Rossi tried signaling MM more than once but ultimately got pissed off. A discussion I listened to last night considered the effect of the temperature and humidity on the riders. It's possible that at Silverstone Rossi may have reacted differently, but we'll never know.

I'm in the process of reading Hugh Anderson's book "Being There". He describes being run off the track twice by Phil Read during a race in his early days in Europe. Sort of "Welcome to the UK"? So it's nothing new.

He also describes winning races by a minute or a minute and a half. Or calling into the pits to change plugs and still winning. Or crashing during a race and having to restart the bike on an uphill section of track, then on a later lap the engine died and he had another long uphill push, and still he won the race.

We don't know how lucky we are.

Tazz

2nd November 2015, 09:56

There is clear doubt that Rossi was intentionally trying to run him off the track.
It is clear that Rossi was trying to impede him. There is a difference. Marquez was not blind sided by Rossi. Marquez had plenty of time to pull back and avoid Rossi. Marquez chose to push and he came into contact with the doctor.

He was slowing down and looking over his shoulder leading another rider to the edge of the track. Where's the doubt.

Did MM have time to pull back? Maybe, if he had been given some hindsight like we have...
Did he expect another racer to slow down like that to take in the serenity? Doubt it, because who the fuck does that in the middle of a race?
As I said before, IMO, the contact is redundant as VR had already done the damage before that happened.

You're not watching a bunch of guys zip down to the dairy through unpredictable traffic.

There is no emotion for either guy in the way I see it. It could be the other way around rider wise and I'd still think the same.

carbonhed

2nd November 2015, 11:01

Hardly. When Marquez was leading Rossi the gap to JL lengthened. MM was deliberately slowing. Rossi tried signaling MM more than once but ultimately got pissed off. A discussion I listened to last night considered the effect of the temperature and humidity on the riders. It's possible that at Silverstone Rossi may have reacted differently, but we'll never know.

Lorenzo overtook Rossi in turn 1 lap 2. The gap between them increased thereafter in every single lap apart from one midrace. The biggest increase in the gap between them was when Rossi was playing silly buggers with Marquez. 2.25 secs in a single lap. That kind of cockup happens when you stop racing and have a few tantrums.

bogan

2nd November 2015, 11:14

Lorenzo overtook Rossi in turn 1 lap 2. The gap between them increased thereafter in every single lap apart from one midrace. The biggest increase in the gap between them was when Rossi was playing silly buggers with Marquez. 2.25 secs in a single lap. That kind of cockup happens when you stop racing and have a few tantrums.

Yeh, but lorenzo was getting away 'slower' after rossi punted MM into the kitty litter...

carbonhed

2nd November 2015, 11:21

Yeh, but lorenzo was getting away 'slower' after rossi punted MM into the kitty litter...

And your point is?

bogan

2nd November 2015, 11:27

And your point is?

To satirize those who are actually trying to defend the boneheaded move. :innocent:

carbonhed

2nd November 2015, 13:47

To satirize those who are actually trying to defend the boneheaded move. :innocent:

:laugh: sorry dude. Flew over my head.

schrodingers cat

2nd November 2015, 18:47

https://www.facebook.com/GinoRea.Page/posts/10153745491297072:0

"Was Marc Márquez' riding fair? He has every right to fight for his position on the track, but it is deeply unsporting to get involved with a rival with other priorities, unless you can beat them simply. There is nothing in the rules about being sporting, though, just about not being dangerous"

This man has expressed the way I feel about it very very nicely.

onearmedbandit

2nd November 2015, 19:39

Fair comments however I don't see how Rossi was able to activate MM's front brake.

http://www.hondaracingcorporation.com/news/qa-with-shuhei-nakamoto-hrc-executive-vice-president

carbonhed

2nd November 2015, 19:50

Fair comments however I don't see how Rossi was able to activate MM's front brake.

http://www.hondaracingcorporation.com/news/qa-with-shuhei-nakamoto-hrc-executive-vice-president

His knee appeared to hit it when he pushed him away.

puddytat

2nd November 2015, 20:15

yeah but they have those guard thingyamajiggys to stop that......

carbonhed

2nd November 2015, 20:19

yeah but they have those guard thingyamajiggys to stop that......

Good point. I guess it could have caught on the slider or something. Wouldn't take much.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2015, 21:39

Fair comments however I don't see how Rossi was able to activate MM's front brake.

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I don't think for a moment MM's brake was activated by Rossi. I think he lent into him...it was so slow, he lost his balance and went down. His handle bar end may've got tweaked bu Rossi's leg/boot/handle bar etc. But too bad.

BMWST?

2nd November 2015, 21:45

What would these unbiased professional racers know-- Not to mention all the comments in favour of VR from past world champion bike racers

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224718/1/f1-drivers-divided-on-rossimarquez-controversy.html

Geno ray also

https://www.facebook.com/GinoRea.Page/posts/10153745491297072:0

so rossi fans agree with what rossi did...big surprise.Riddle me this then Shaun..WHY did race direction penalise him three points?.Are they part of some conspiracy to deny ,as you argue, a deserving rider of a world championship?

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2015, 21:54

Yes it's about what they do on the track. Vale has 9 world championships. The oldest rider in the current field and leading the championship with one race to go.thats all on the track. So with your comments you should like Rossi.
To add to that he is the most liked racer by the majority.
Do you personally know Rossi?
You say you have raced against the odd person like him. Perhaps you were on the receiving end of there actions ah?

Yes it is in my eyes. So what has that got to do with how many titles hes has? KS has only the one...but I admire him way more than I ever will Rossi. Wayne Rainey 3, Lawson, Doohan, Stoner, Spencer...all far better champions than Rossi will ever be in my eyes. Because, as hard as they raced, they raced clean.

Do I know Rossi personally? WTF has that got to do with anything?

Yes, yes I have. I've also raced against people that whilst incredibly competitive, are also incredibly clean.

As far as being on the receiving end? Here's my latest injury, it'll require quite major surgery. The humerus has smashed part of the scapular off on it's way through whilst being dislocated in a nasty fashion. It was done by a fellow competitor that thought he was going for a world title at a sedate VMX meeting. Am I bitter and twisted about it? Not at all. These things happen even though they shouldn't. I also nearly lost my right foot racing at Wanganui in 2005, due to another riders silly move.

So I do know a bit about racing and how things go. I accept these things as being part of it. But I'd never accept shit like Rossi's move. If any cunt did that to me, he'd eat hay BIG time next time we met. And do we want stock car style racing in Moto GP? I doubt it.

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pritch

3rd November 2015, 06:46

Jeez Pete that looks like it smarts.

And from Valencia: The pre-race press conference has been cancelled. All MotoGP riders and team management have been summoned to a meeting with the Permanent Bureau to discuss the events of Sepang. The Permanent Bureau consists of the management of the FIM and of Dorna.

jasonu

3rd November 2015, 06:47

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Drew

3rd November 2015, 07:32

That is one big penis!!!

He sure can be.

sidecar bob

3rd November 2015, 08:01

What part of some little faggot coming up & leaning on another competitor is lost on people?
If you come close enough for the swing of someone's knee to put you down you were probably being a tosser.

Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 08:22

What part of some little faggot coming up & leaning on another competitor is lost on people?
If you come close enough for the swing of someone's knee to put you down you were probably being a tosser.

There ya go, simple black and white. He fuked up himself no matter if what Rossi did was fair/nice/sporting/ wtf ever, MM took himself down, simple as that

Crasherfromwayback

3rd November 2015, 08:45

There ya go, simple black and white. He fuked up himself no matter if what Rossi did was fair/nice/sporting/ wtf ever, MM took himself down, simple as that

Only because he shares your point of view.

Here's another...

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151102a.htm

sidecar bob

3rd November 2015, 09:15

Only because he shares your point of view.

Here's another...

When was it okay to lie on somebody when youre passing? or just to be a dick.
I don't believe in rewarding poor form & clearly neither does Rossi.

carbonhed

3rd November 2015, 09:32

Only because he shares your point of view.

Here's another...

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151102a.htm

So the telemetry shows the brake lever was applied.

There's a saying that goes something like this " Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence"

Rossi's made the claims and delivered no evidence whatsoever.

You can see in the Thursday press conference that Marquez and Lorenzo have absolutely no clue what he's talking about. Rossi on the other hand is so full of shit nobody can even tell if he's being serious. The man is a liar and a cheat.

pritch

3rd November 2015, 09:37

Only because he shares your point of view.

Here's another...

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151102a.htm

I haven't read the soup thing but it appears to quote an interview with Nakamoto san which I had already seen. While undoubtedly very knowledgeable Mr Nakamoto is an employee of HRC and thus hardly qualifies as a disinterested party. Like myself f'instance. :devil2:

If Rossi's lower appendages made contact with the brake lever, those protectors need an urgent re-design.

swarfie

3rd November 2015, 09:45

Only because he shares your point of view.

Here's another...

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151102a.htm

Thanks for posting that Pete. Nakamoto's interview was as expected...extremely well thought out and worded, completely un-biased and shows why he is where he is. Interesting the comment on the front brake data though. I personally can't see how Marc could have backed out of the situation when there was as little room in it at the last split seconds. It was what appeared to be a genuine battle up to that point, but everyone's opinions are only that at the end of the day.
I'm a racer too and as aggressive or more than most (Bob knows that as he's swung for me on sidecars numerous times). I was hoping for a Valentino 10th Championship and traditionally I am a Honda fan (:girlfight:insert gay jokes here:motu:) and miracles can and do happen.
Bring it on :woohoo:

Tazz

3rd November 2015, 09:46

When was it okay to lie on somebody when youre passing? or just to be a dick.
I don't believe in rewarding poor form & clearly neither does Rossi.

Out of interests sake, what do you think would happen if next race meet every few corners you did what VR did to MM to a few fellow racers?

nodrog

3rd November 2015, 10:06

Out of interests sake, what do you think would happen if next race meet every few corners you did what VR did to MM to a few fellow racers?

If some fucktard rams into you and jeopardises your ability to safely control your own motorcycle, surely they can expect a good fuckin kicking?

I'm just lucky I have a little sticky out bit on the side that's quite good at pushing cunts away.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd November 2015, 10:43

When was it okay to lie on somebody when youre passing? or just to be a dick.
I don't believe in rewarding poor form & clearly neither does Rossi.

Same time as it's obviously ok to slow mid corner, wait for someone to catch up, then pick your bike up under him, and run him out of track. You can't seriously tell me you'd be ok with that if it was done to you either.

I'm a racer too and as aggressive or more than most :

Yep. And I've done a few hard moves on other people too. But always what I'd consider clean. Only at club level of course though according to Shaun.:weep:

Tazz

3rd November 2015, 10:43

If some fucktard rams into you and jeopardises your ability to safely control your own motorcycle, surely they can expect a good fuckin kicking?

I'm just lucky I have a little sticky out bit on the side that's quite good at pushing cunts away.

So to be clear it is completely OK to realize you've left the oven on mid corner in a race, brain fart, make sure there is someone behind you, cut them off and lead them to to the outside of the track?

Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 10:52

When was it okay to lie on somebody when youre passing? or just to be a dick.
I don't believe in rewarding poor form & clearly neither does Rossi.

How to you kick some ones brake leaver also with the guards on them now. More like MM own fingers squeeved the leaver himself

nodrog

3rd November 2015, 10:53

So to be clear it is completely OK to realize you've left the oven on mid corner in a race, brain fart, make sure there is someone behind you, cut them off and lead them to to the outside of the track?

that's not clear at all, this is clear -

if some fuckwit starts pushing on me, they better have a bucket and spade, cos they are going to get a good fuckin bulldozering into the sandpit.

Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 10:56

I haven't read the soup thing but it appears to quote an interview with Nakamoto san which I had already seen. While undoubtedly very knowledgeable Mr Nakamoto is an employee of HRC and thus hardly qualifies as a disinterested party. Like myself f'instance. :devil2:

If Rossi's lower appendages made contact with the brake lever, those protectors need an urgent re-design.

He is also the man that said the customer V Motogp unit was only a fraction of a second off the works bike pace bahahahaha

carbonhed

3rd November 2015, 11:01

Actually it looks more like it's Rossi's foot that hit the lever.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ben_djorkaeff/status/658278049306161152/video/1

nodrog

3rd November 2015, 11:21

Actually it looks more like it's Rossi's foot that hit the lever.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ben_djorkaeff/status/658278049306161152/video/1

is his brake lever attached to the front guard?

Badjelly

3rd November 2015, 11:24

Actually it looks more like it's Rossi's foot that hit the lever.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ben_djorkaeff/status/658278049306161152/video/1

Yes: MM was leaning a long way, his head was next to Rossi's knee and his handlebar end would have been near Rossi's foot. The guards prevent contact from the side, but not from the front or the top. The brake lever may have contacted the back of Rossi's foot.

Brake lever guards:

http://tinyurl.com/p7oxbf7

Tazz

3rd November 2015, 11:33

that's not clear at all, this is clear -

if some fuckwit starts pushing on me, they better have a bucket and spade, cos they are going to get a good fuckin bulldozering into the sandpit.

And you if ride around like some geriatric cunt throwing tantys, sipping tea and talking about your perfect surface area to doylee ratio you'll probably have people trying to actually race dozing you into the sandpit before you can pull your fingers out from under your nose :bleh:

nodrog

3rd November 2015, 11:35

And you if ride around like some geriatric cunt throwing tantys, sipping tea and talking about your perfect surface area to doylee ratio you'll probably have people trying to actually race dozing you into the sandpit before you can pull your fingers out from under your nose :bleh:

I think you are confusing motorcycle racing with stockcar racing.

jasonu

3rd November 2015, 11:35

So the telemetry shows the brake lever was applied.
.

But there is noting to say if it was VR's knee or MM's hand that applied it.

jasonu

3rd November 2015, 11:39

is his brake lever attached to the front guard?

You can't make any conclusion one way or the other from that blurry piece of shit. It looks like an oil painting on canvas up close.

Tazz

3rd November 2015, 11:39

I think you are confusing motorcycle racing with stockcar racing.

VR's next career you reckon? Either that or he could put on a dress, wig and hit the local roller derby rink. They have legit positions for blocking.

Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 11:48

Yes: MM was leaning a long way, his head was next to Rossi's knee and his handlebar end would have been near Rossi's foot. The guards prevent contact from the side, but not from the front or the top. The brake lever may have contacted the back of Rossi's foot.

Brake lever guards:

http://tinyurl.com/p7oxbf7

Best you look at those pics again dude, they 100% are protected from the front

Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 11:50

You can't make any conclusion one way or the other from that blurry piece of shit. It looks like an oil painting on canvas up close.

exactually, and you said also, How do we know it was not MM,z fingers that activated the brake leaver upon impact of him! hitting VR in the knee

Asher

3rd November 2015, 12:04

Tazz

3rd November 2015, 12:12

Put your tin foil hat on:
MM purposely tucked the front to make it look like Rossi knocked him off. A plan created my MMs dad to damage the VR brand/legacy, that explains why he celebrates when MM goes down......

Sweet baby jesus on a lawnmower people are floating that idea?

I thought NASCAR was supposed to have the thick as fuck fan base. I'm out.

onearmedbandit

3rd November 2015, 12:20

This is the funniest thread in ages. Peoples get upset from all angles over stuff they can't even be sure about.

One thing I am sure about, we're in for a great race this weekend!

Crasherfromwayback

3rd November 2015, 12:22

This is the funniest thread in ages. Peoples get upset from all angles over stuff they can't even be sure about.

One thing I am sure about, we're in for a great race this weekend!

That we can all agree on I'm sure. As long as it's not won in court. I'd fear for MM's safety in Italy next year mind you...

nodrog

3rd November 2015, 12:31

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Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 12:32

This is the funniest thread in ages. Peoples get upset from all angles over stuff they can't even be sure about.

One thing I am sure about, we're in for a great race this weekend!

I'm laughing my tits off with it, and there was me thinking I was the only fucker with a known brain injury lol:banana: Funny how people will respond when they believe they are 100% correct, and they have been thrown a tad of bait. YEP, I am very very proud of the reborn me, and seriously don't give a fuk any more of what some may think or type:nya:

nodrog

3rd November 2015, 12:36

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Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 12:44

hahahaha the marketing exsposure will never be matched

Asher

3rd November 2015, 12:49

Sweet baby jesus on a lawnmower people are floating that idea?

I thought NASCAR was supposed to have the thick as fuck fan base. I'm out.

Lol I just made that up to add fuel to the fire, although it wouldn't surprise me if he whispered in his sons ear to go make a fool of Rossi.

ANYWAY. No talk of Dovi going down from Crashlow seemingly clipping the Duc's wings? Surely that's deserving of a few penalty points :nya: