MotoGP 2015

[J.A.W.]

Ta for that vid 0, at last something of merit.. now view it carefully..

To paraphrase KC ..when V.R. did that to him..

"Your ambition outweighed your talent"

Clearly, it WAS George to blame, as I noted, even though some here might rather think it was bloody San Andreas fault..

But if being "a fan" means you can ignore the facts.. best get a job in Race Control..

[Oscar]

Haha Sorry I masturbate to much, so must be blind eh

We all rub one out from time to time, but our friend Mr. J.A.W. seems to do all his wanking in this thread for some reason....

[Autech]

Ta for that vid 0, at last something of merit.. now view it carefully..

To paraphrase KC ..when V.R. did that to him..

"Your ambition outweighed your talent"

Clearly, it WAS George to blame, as I noted, even though some here might rather think it was bloody San Andreas fault..

Once again, we ask what is your racing experience? A rider has the right to crowd another rider as much as they want, if someone coming up behind effs up and takes out one of the riders, it is not the fault of the chap slowing the pace. I am one of Millers top fans here (I'm from Hamilton and recognise a fellow bogan) but he did come from a farking long way back. He said in interviews that he wasn't going faster at that point than the laps before, so perhaps he could have made the corner, but either way there was a few bikes in the way. He hit one and they both went down. End of story.

[J.A.W.]

Uh.. ok, 'normal' service has resumed..

Look the vid.. see George do his 1/2 speed baulk act after re-passing Cal.. leaving Jacko going for his apex, but caught in the squeeze..

Its in your bloody face.. like your favourite pearl necklace.. stop squinting & take it like a bitch..


As for "experience".. I ride, & hey I used to play rugby too, & I' ll comment on the video replays in the footy too.. orright..

How many of you 'keyboard heros' race Moto GP then.. you ain't? Awwwww..

[Oscar]

Once again, we ask what is your racing experience? A rider has the right to crowd another rider as much as they want, if someone coming up behind effs up and takes out one of the riders, it is not the fault of the chap slowing the pace. I am one of Millers top fans here (I'm from Hamilton and recognise a fellow bogan) but he did come from a farking long way back. He said in interviews that he wasn't going faster at that point than the laps before, so perhaps he could have made the corner, but either way there was a few bikes in the way. He hit one and they both went down. End of story.

I knew there was summat classy about you...

[BMWST?]

Ta for that vid 0, at last something of merit.. now view it carefully..

To paraphrase KC ..when V.R. did that to him..

"Your ambition outweighed your talent"

Clearly, it WAS George to blame, as I noted, even though some here might rather think it was bloody San Andreas fault..

But if being "a fan" means you can ignore the facts.. best get a job in Race Control..

Jorges fault?JL has just overtaken CC so has overcooked entry speed a little.So brakes hard late and straight cos its wet see.
Cal is thinking i might try to cut back on the inside. Miller hasnt noticed the lower speed of CC and JL but he is awfully fast into the corner he probably would have run wide any way .Miller goes straight through CC line who is turning tight to try to get under JL.Reckless maybe,but it is not supposed to be a contact sport,esp on lap 3

[J.A.W.]

Ok , who's gonna ask their good buddy Mike from Maungatoroto to post up the telemetry?

That'll confirm what Jacko stated about speeds & sheet home the "blame" to George..

That is if some of you scamps are even interested in a "root cause analysis"..
( & that's not about a V.R. post win - get lucky thing, although it could be..)

[husaberg]

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTAQ7XAuemY

My opinion That's a Kamikaze suicide mission. He was never going to make that one work.
While he does look a little baulked there was no room there for that move it was never going to stick.
It was like a torpedo attack
Now can we lay down the handbags and Shaun will shout us all a Milo

[Erelyes]

C-C shut down on Jacko, C-C didn't expect him there & didn't look (just like you eh, E),
& Jacko was in front & had the apex..

Hey Just Another Wanker
Never mind that Jacko was five bike lengths back coming into the corner
Never mind that with the pace he was carrying in there he wouldn't have made the corner in a month of sundays anyway, had Cal not been there to stop him
Never mind that it's the passing rider's job to ensure a pass is safe
Never mind that Jacko's eyes are presumably working and thus he would have SEEN George passing his team-mate, and would have known their speed would drop going through the corner (as often happens with a block pass)
Never mind that Jacko himself has apologised for the incident..
Never mind that the only time that Jacko 'was in front' was when his bike and Cal's were spinning along the deck

Just keep stickin up for your strayan buddy


Don't bloody bother with the "conversation"..
..if all it amounts to.. is bullshit ad-hominem remarks that a scatty schoolgirl would properly be ashamed of..

Nah. Ad hominem is when we insult you to make your argument look bad.
Your argument looks bad all by itself, we're just insulting you cos you're a troll.


As for viewing video evidence, see for yourself.. it was George that deseved the carpeting..

For what? An entirely legal block pass? They weren't at a fuckin track day :eek5:

[husaberg]

The MILO I can supply still LOL:yes: Do yopu not have access to live Motogp races?

They make these gay farty noises now, I do my best turning down Moto 3 and pretending they are very slow 125's.

[Oscar]

Ok , who's gonna ask their good buddy Mike from Maungatoroto to post up the telemetry?



It was actually just down the road from Maungaturoto, at Paparoa.
It's understandable that he doesn't say "I was born in Paparoa." as it's also the name of a womens prison down south...

[husaberg]

Ta for that vid 0, at last something of merit.. now view it carefully..

To paraphrase KC ..when V.R. did that to him..

"Your ambition outweighed your talent"

Clearly, it WAS George to blame, as I noted, even though some here might rather think it was bloody San Andreas fault..

But if being "a fan" means you can ignore the facts.. best get a job in Race Control..

I turned of the sound so not to be biased by the commentary so I have no idea who was who.
Riders responsibility to make sure he has room to make pass safely to as to not interfere with rider he is trying to pass.
Rider in front (while he did change line slightly) he is allowed to do this.

[J.A.W.]

Hey Just Another Wanker eyes :eek5:

Hey E...eyes, what's that shit on your face.. egg? Or something stickier..

0 is gonna get the telemetry from Mikey-matey, that'll sit you back down, & we can all have a laugh.. eh, fella..

[Autech]

As for "experience".. I ride, & hey I used to play rugby too, & I' ll comment on the video replays in the footy too.. orright..


Look guys, he rides! What does he ride though? J.A.W. likes to ride his _____________. I'll leave it to you guys to fill in the blanks.


I knew there was summat classy about you...

Hehe, better than these facking Cantabs surrounding me.

[J.A.W.]

Hey Autech ( Are you Au=Aussie?) anything like as cute as the Ewok in your avatar?

You'd get a few ride offers from the fur fanciers wouldn't you?

If you are really that small 'n' that good, put your hand up ( a sock puppet) for Dani-boi's gig..

[Mike.Gayner]

Well, this thread got gay.

[J.A.W.]

Well, this garage got gay.

As George said when V.R. came back..

How's that gonna pan out, who's the golden boy for Factory Team Yamaha & who's gonna have to 'take one for the team'?

[george formby]

I've just returned from a lovely ride in the spring sunshine. It was gawjuuuus and I did not harpoon anybody.

[Oscar]

I think he's gone...




...so Gentlemen, whaddya reckon - how is the rest of the season gonna pan out?

JL has to make up 12 points, how hard will that be with MM still going great guns and maybe even Dani getting in the way?
Next stop is Vale's home track.

[haydes55]

Millers bike was sliding along the track before it took out Crutchlow. 0% fault given to Crutchlow, nothing he could have done to avoid it. Lorenzo got past Crutchlow cleanly and contact free, then played no part in the calamity behind him, again 0% at fault. Who's left to accept the blame?

You can't blame a parked car when you rear ending them. The racing rule book says JM is in the wrong, the common sense ruling would blame JM, if it was on a track day JM would have been at fault, if it was on the street JM would have been at fault.

[Autech]

I think he's gone...

...so Gentlemen, whaddya reckon - how is the rest of the season gonna pan out?

JL has to make up 12 points, how hard will that be with MM still going great guns and maybe even Dani getting in the way?
Next stop is Vale's home track.

All riders will fall off every round bar Dani Pedrosa and he will win in great glory...

But seriously. I foresee a mixture of results in the top 4 and the two bikes that will matter the most in this championship will be the Honda's I think. If Lorenzo wins a round with Marquez and Dani between himself and Rossi, that is it level again. I think that likely to happen at some stage with the Honda's dividing up the Yams with either of Rossi or Lozenger off the podium. Throw in Dani and Marc winning a few here and there and it will be a strange fight for sure.

At current form though you would have to pick Lorenzo, just we know that Rossi should never be counted out. He has the balls to admit when he thinks Lorenzo is faster than him, which has been a lot recently. By admitting it we know he will work his arse off to bridge the areas where Lozenger has it over him.

I remember when I first started watching the Motogp a few years back it was when he and Rossi were both at Yamaha, I used to get grumpy with how Rossi was after a race on the rostrum when he would lose out to Jorge. Now I've got a few more years under my belt I understood that it was Rossi's drive to win and beat his team mate that fueled those antics on the rostrum and that was his way of debriefing his crew fresh off the bike. He seems more relaxed these days but I do believe that drive is still there.

[Shaun Harris]

All riders will fall off every round bar Dani Pedrosa and he will win in great glory...

But seriously. I foresee a mixture of results in the top 4 and the two bikes that will matter the most in this championship will be the Honda's I think. If Lorenzo wins a round with Marquez and Dani between himself and Rossi, that is it level again. I think that likely to happen at some stage with the Honda's dividing up the Yams with either of Rossi or Lozenger off the podium. Throw in Dani and Marc winning a few here and there and it will be a strange fight for sure.

At current form though you would have to pick Lorenzo, just we know that Rossi should never be counted out. He has the balls to admit when he thinks Lorenzo is faster than him, which has been a lot recently. By admitting it we know he will work his arse off to bridge the areas where Lozenger has it over him.

I remember when I first started watching the Motogp a few years back it was when he and Rossi were both at Yamaha, I used to get grumpy with how Rossi was after a race on the rostrum when he would lose out to Jorge. Now I've got a few more years under my belt I understood that it was Rossi's drive to win and beat his team mate that fueled those antics on the rostrum and that was his way of debriefing his crew fresh off the bike. He seems more relaxed these days but I do believe that drive is still there.


"He has the balls to admit when he thinks Lorenzo is faster than him, which has been a lot recently"

I seriously believe this is a part of his new head games? He has recovered and all respect to him, but mind games go a long way at the drop of the flag

[FROSTY]

Hey guys the more often I look at the JM CC crash the more I see 2 riders that seemed to slow in a dramatic manner in front of a chasing group.
The comment that JM was going "way too fast" Im just not convinced.
it looked to me that if that was in fact the case then he would have been hauling away from the following two riders and he wasn't

[george formby]

I think he's gone...




...so Gentlemen, whaddya reckon - how is the rest of the season gonna pan out?

JL has to make up 12 points, how hard will that be with MM still going great guns and maybe even Dani getting in the way?
Next stop is Vale's home track.

I'm sincerely hoping that VR's prediction of a last race decider comes true and I can't see the rest of the season becoming a procession. Sentimentally I would love to see him get his 10th title.

[Autech]

"He has the balls to admit when he thinks Lorenzo is faster than him, which has been a lot recently"

I seriously believe this is a part of his new head games? He has recovered and all respect to him, but mind games go a long way at the drop of the flag

Yup especially when you are talking Jorge "mindfart" Lorenzo :D


Hey guys the more often I look at the JM CC crash the more I see 2 riders that seemed to slow in a dramatic manner in front of a chasing group.
The comment that JM was going "way too fast" Im just not convinced.
it looked to me that if that was in fact the case then he would have been hauling away from the following two riders and he wasn't

I agree with you, he failed to account for the riders in front and was pushing hard, apparently according to the data was no faster than the lap before. Shit happens, that is racing, that is what happens when you are a young rookie on a shit bike determined to get a good result.

He will learn from this just as all rookies get a lesson and move on and become a better rider because of it. Marc Marquez will soon recognise his superior talent, retire early and hand him the keys to the RCV so that he doesn't get a schooling by the next Aussie legend :killingme.

Really looking forward to those two butting heads, I think Marc will want to get revenge on Miller for picking on his baby brother last year. Will be great to watch.

[J.A.W.]

According to the data Miller was no faster than the lap before. Shit happens, that is racing, that is what happens when you are a young rookie on a shit bike determined to get a good result.

He will learn from this just as all rookies get a lesson and move on and become a better rider because of it..

Yeah, took the liberty of correcting some of your blather there Auty ol' bean..

Imagine what would've happened if it was F1.. ( & Maldonado!) l.o.l... or NASCAR.. L.O.L... even in V8 Stupidcars,

George would've been punted.. literally, but as Championship leader, not pinged.. naturally.. since that aint in the scheme of things..

[Crasherfromwayback]

maybe,could be Herve just knows that he cant afford a known Alien and anyone else is a gamble

Or maybe he's under pressure to have a Pom on board?

[J.A.W.]

For sure - he's under $ pressure to have a Pom on board.

Fixed that too..

So true.. since a Pommy mob have a big financial interest in Dorna,
& look what's happened to WSBK, since Caramello got his grubby mitts on it..

[Autech]

Well when the 8 Factory bikes are ridden by Italians and Spaniards... 8... Yup...
Guess it comes down to the early riding, if you google any of the top Spanish and Eytiys they all started racing around 4 years old. Insanity. We have that with motocross but not for road racing which is a bit shit.

[Oscar]

Fixed that too..

So true.. since a Pommy mob have a big financial interest in Dorna,
& look what's happened to WSBK, since Caramello got his grubby mitts on it..

So multi million euro investments are made on the basis of getting a countryman on a works bike?

[J.A.W.]

They make these gay farty noises now, I do my best turning down Moto 3 and pretending they are very slow 125's.

Yeah H, they are unpleasantly flatulent..

I was at P.Is. & saw Simmo do the quickest ever 250 GP lap there in 2008.. ( impressive, yeah - visibly so..)

& those awfully shrill/shrieking lard-arse Honda 600/4 Moto 2s - still haven't beaten his time.. to date..

[J.A.W.]

Hey guys the more often I look at the JM CC crash the more I see 2 riders that seemed to slow in a dramatic manner in front of a chasing group.
The comment that JM was going "way too fast" Im just not convinced.
it looked to me that if that was in fact the case then he would have been hauling away from the following two riders and he wasn't

Fair & correct comment there F, at last someone ( else) - has a proper bloody look at the whole done-deal..

[husaberg]

So multi million euro investments are made on the basis of getting a countryman on a works bike?

Yes sometimes look at all the Spanish riders that benefited from being Spanish when that was where the sponsorship money was.

[J.A.W.]

So multi million euro investments are made on the basis of getting a countryman on a works bike?

Time to wake up & get with C21 fella!

Look what Lewis Hamilton has done..

Even Kanye West is puttin' ( & nevermind bloody Putin!) his hand up to be a future Prez o' da fee world..

[puddytat]

Rossi if its wet.

I should've put the money on him.....

[puddytat]

You aint got nothin' then.. so..

Shut.. up..

( Is it the monkey on your back, S? Is he climbing up your arse, like a hand in a sock-puppet? Scrape 'im off.. do it.. get "angry" L.O.L...)

You need to get "some" or up your meds....a lot.

[Oscar]

Yes sometimes look at all the Spanish riders that benefited from being Spanish when that was where the sponsorship money was.

Oh yeah, Repsol money is one thing - they needed to sell that product.
An investment company (where the money is not necessarily coming from the UK), needs to get a decent return on investment and that doesn't include tinkering with the product.



By his logic you'd only see Saudi players in the English Premier League.

[Oscar]

Time to wake up & get with C21 fella!

Look what Lewis Hamilton has done..

Even Kanye West is puttin' ( & nevermind bloody Putin!) his hand up to be a future Prez o' da fee world..

You need to take a breath.

[J.A.W.]

You need to take a breath.

Not with your toxic flatulence still goin' - hard out..

(oops.. that aint gayin' up the thread - is it..)

[J.A.W.]

You need to get "some" or up your meds....a lot.

Awwww.. previously big noting cocky gambler - now loser - sez whaaaa..

( in fact, FYI, I'm on holiday & I'm free to enjoy some duty free Absinthe.. which I am.. hah..)

[husaberg]

Oh yeah, Repsol money is one thing - they needed to sell that product.
An investment company (where the money is not necessarily coming from the UK), needs to get a decent return on investment and that doesn't include tinkering with the product.



By his logic you'd only see Saudi players in the English Premier League.

It wasn't only repsol
Plus plenty of Aussies got a break with the fag money.
It depends on where the money is actually coming from. where they want to be seen in a positive light
Same as F1.
Remember some riders bring their own sponsorship too.

Also last time I looked finance is a product.

[puddytat]

Awwww.. previously big noting cocky gambler - now loser - sez whaaaa..

( in fact, FYI, I'm on holiday & I'm free to enjoy some duty free Absinthe.. which I am.. hah..)

So? Do you want a medal or something?

[Oscar]

It wasn't only repsol
Plus plenty of Aussies got a break with the fag money.
It depends on where the money is actually coming from. where they want to be seen in a positive light
Same as F1.
Remember some riders bring their own sponsorship too.

Also last time I looked finance is a product.


Yeah but the investors (in the company that invests in Dorna) are NOT sponsors.
They want a return on their investment, not advertising, so it wouldn't matter to them who was actually riding the bikes, as long as Dorna was financially successful.

[husaberg]

Yeah but the investors (in the company that invests in Dorna) are NOT sponsors.
They want a return on their investment, not advertising, so it wouldn't matter to them who was actually riding the bikes, as long as Dorna was financially successful.

Oh yes it does.
They want to make it popular in some countries more than others ie countries where they get revenue from TV rights etc.
Think Rugby why SA has so much clout.
Think cricket why India also has so much say in how stuff is done where and when games are played.
Need I mention Soccer or the Olympic committee.

[gav]

Can't be too harsh on Jack Miller, he's the only Kiwi racing in MotoGP at the moment :yes:

[mr bucketracer]

Are you having your period J.A.W?hes one of us we all talk crap:lol:

[Drew]

Miller doesn't make a lunge from miles back. He catches up at the same rate as the tech3 bike just behind him. Miller simply didn't prepare for the two bikes in front of him to be bloody parked in the turn. I don't think he should have been penalised for it. Racing incident I think, nothing more.

[FROSTY]

Miller doesn't make a lunge from miles back. He catches up at the same rate as the tech3 bike just behind him. Miller simply didn't prepare for the two bikes in front of him to be bloody parked in the turn. I don't think he should have been penalised for it. Racing incident I think, nothing more.
I guess the day had to come drew.--I agree with you 100%
My suggestion if you want to see what happened is to roll back 1 lap and watch that corner then roll forward to the incident and see the difference.

[Autech]

Miller doesn't make a lunge from miles back. He catches up at the same rate as the tech3 bike just behind him. Miller simply didn't prepare for the two bikes in front of him to be bloody parked in the turn. I don't think he should have been penalised for it. Racing incident I think, nothing more.

I think they are trying to cool Miller a bit, they probably should have given him a point last time he mucked up (can't remember what race it was) which is what he himself said.

Either way, bloody good showing until the cock up, give him Reddings Honda I say...

[Shaun Harris]

Hey guys the more often I look at the JM CC crash the more I see 2 riders that seemed to slow in a dramatic manner in front of a chasing group.
The comment that JM was going "way too fast" Im just not convinced.
it looked to me that if that was in fact the case then he would have been hauling away from the following two riders and he wasn't



You are correct? Kind of! Yes the guys in front slowed up big time, but they slowed up perfectly, where as JM did not read what those riders were doing write, he was just focused on his own job, meaning he forgot to take into account other riders may do something different, which all are entitled to do ( Unless dangerous) So it was really just his youth fullness and enthusiasm that caused this racing incident

[Autech]

You are correct? Kind of! Yes the guys in front slowed up big time, but they slowed up perfectly, where as JM did not read what those riders were doing write, he was just focused on his own job, meaning he forgot to take into account other riders may do something different, which all are entitled to do ( Unless dangerous) So it was really just his youth fullness and enthusiasm that caused this racing incident

I can see the ticket: "Failing to multi task".

[Shaun Harris]

haha to funny, a MOD on here sent me a message saying to report this troll, as nothing will happen unless that is done WTF. If he as a mod on here thinks this is a TROLL, why does he not do some thing himself

[Oscar]

Oh yes it does.
They want to make it popular in some countries more than others ie countries where they get revenue from TV rights etc.
Think Rugby why SA has so much clout.
Think cricket why India also has so much say in how stuff is done where and when games are played.
Need I mention Soccer or the Olympic committee.

I think we're talking at cross purposes here.
I was replying to Just Another Wally regarding his claim that the new investor in Dorna (Bridgepoint) would pressure management to increase the number of pommy riders involved. Aside from the fact that Bridgepoint has partners all over W. Europe it would not get involved in day to day management any more than the other big investor in Dorna, the Canadian Pension Fund. I doubt we'll be seeing a Canadian MotoGP race or rider in the near future.

[Shaun Harris]

I can see the ticket: "Failing to multi task".


Haha Basically dude. There are shit loads of things a rider needs to think about and do when Racing, and Multi tasking is way up the list. That is why Women are normally not fast on bikes, they have no fukin idea about how to manage multi tasking. Sorry girls, just had too

[J.A.W.]

So? Do you want a medal or something?


Nah, but you mentioned meds..

Got any panadeine? L.O.L...

Funny, after all the bitching/moaning & stupid bloody silly buggers carry on..
Now - those who've actually taken the time to watch the whole incident.. can see it..

But "slowed up perfectly" - way too funny, since that baulk stunt by George - caused the bloody crash..

[Oscar]

Miller doesn't make a lunge from miles back. He catches up at the same rate as the tech3 bike just behind him. Miller simply didn't prepare for the two bikes in front of him to be bloody parked in the turn. I don't think he should have been penalised for it. Racing incident I think, nothing more.

Stretching my memory as far back so that the label on my racing licence said NZACU, I was taught that the onus is on the rider attempting the pass to complete the maneuver safely.
Racing incident yes, but Miller's fault.

[ellipsis]

Stretching my memory as far back so that the label on my racing licence said NZACU, I was taught that the onus is on the rider attempting the pass to complete the maneuver safely.
Racing incident yes, but Miller's fault.


...that's my take also...every riders briefing has or should, have it stated...

[J.A.W.]

I think we're talking at cross purposes here.
I was replying to Just Another Wally regarding his claim that the new investor in Dorna (Bridgepoint) would pressure management to increase the number of pommy riders involved. Aside from the fact that Bridgepoint has partners all over W. Europe it would not get involved in day to day management any more than the other big investor in Dorna, the Canadian Pension Fund. I doubt we'll be seeing a Canadian MotoGP race or rider in the near future.


Confirmed that by a quick call to Caramello, did you, 0?

You don't know.. you aren't party to their doin's..

For all you know, it could be bozo sitting there sayin' "I want that one.."

[Oscar]

Confirmed that by a quick call to Caramello, did you, 0?

You don't know.. you aren't party to their doin's..

For all you know, it could be bozo sitting there sayin' "I want that one.."

So having proved that you know fuck all about motorcycle racing, you now turn your attention to investment finance.

[J.A.W.]

Stretching my memory as far back so that the label on my racing licence said NZACU, I was taught that the onus is on the rider attempting the pass to complete the maneuver safely.
Racing incident yes, but Miller's fault.


Just have a bloody look.. Jacko had the inside line, was on the apex & had the speed to pass.. so he swept in.. that's racing..
George was dithering & Cal was dicking about, up his arse.. both slow as a granny on her wheelie frame.. move it or lose it..

& you "were taught" - L.O.L...

[Shaun Harris]

So having proved that you know fuck all about motorcycle racing, you now turn your attention to investment finance.



Funny thing is, this Troll is a deff fuk witt re racing, but even funnier, WE ARE falling for him and replying back LOL. Man we must have to much time to kill eh

[Shaun Harris]

Just have a bloody look.. Jacko had the inside line, was on the apex & had the speed to pass.. so he swept in.. that's racing..
George was dithering & Cal was dicking about, up his arse.. both slow as a granny on her wheelie frame.. move it or lose it..

& you "were taught" - L.O.L...



His front wheel was TUCKED under on the ripple strip at apex or there abouts. And JL finished where in the race? O that is write, 4th, because he had the experience not to crash and take risks that may put him on the ground. A championship is about taking points every time, not a one shot wonder. Jack will deff get there though, he has the pashion and fight for it big time

[Oscar]

Funny thing is, this Troll is a deff fuk witt re racing, but even funnier, WE ARE falling for him and replying back LOL. Man we must have to much time to kill eh

True.
However that level of stupidity is hard to ignore at first.
But he's starting to repeat hisself now though and since he's proved he knows fuck all about scooter racing he can be demoted to background noise.

[Autech]

Haha Basically dude. There are shit loads of things a rider needs to think about and do when Racing, and Multi tasking is way up the list. That is why Women are normally not fast on bikes, they have no fukin idea about how to manage multi tasking. Sorry girls, just had too

I actually agree to a point. Women overthink things (generally) where as us men will pick a line and fucking go for it. We will either make the corner or not.

That said Maria Ha-rear-her (cbf'd googling here) did feking well in the wet, wonder if she could dick a few of the boys on a decent bike?


Stretching my memory as far back so that the label on my racing licence said NZACU, I was taught that the onus is on the rider attempting the pass to complete the maneuver safely.
Racing incident yes, but Miller's fault.

Not even! What the fuck would you know? That's why race bikes have mirrors on, to watch out for unguided missiles inbound from the rear! Oh wait, they don't have mirrors...

I've got it!
JL is psychic! He should have known that by slowing down to take the corner safely he was going to cause Miller to fly in there and take out CC. J.A.W. thanks for enlightening us as to JL's true powers, he probably already knows if he will win the championship this year!:first:

[J.A.W.]

Funny thing is, this Troll is a deff fuk witt re racing, but even funnier, WE ARE falling for him and replying back LOL. Man we must have to much time to kill eh

"Funny thing is" - the pointless blather by you guys who can't see shit.. not even the troll face that stares back from their mirror..

Wake-up.. you dozy buggers..
Moto GP is a business, despite being called a "show" by Caramello, & the actual sport part of it - is way down the priority focus..

Thats's why Jacko copped it, rather than gorgeous George..

[Shaun Harris]

True.
However that level of stupidity is hard to ignore at first.
But he's starting to repeat hisself now though and since he's proved he knows fuck all about scooter racing he can be demoted to background noise.


YEA< but worse of all, "IT" is now spreading into other threads on here also, and NO ONE is getting rid of it

[J.A.W.]

YEA< but worse of all, "IT" is now spreading into other threads on here also, and NO ONE is getting rid of it


Well, if the forum can tolerate you.. & other whingers who also blather on - just as mindlessly..

[Oscar]

I actually agree to a point. Women overthink things (generally) where as us men will pick a line and fucking go for it. We will either make the corner or not.

That said Maria Ha-rear-her (cbf'd googling here) did feking well in the wet, wonder if she could dick a few of the boys on a decent bike?



Not even! What the fuck would you know? That's why race bikes have mirrors on, to watch out for unguided missiles inbound from the rear! Oh wait, they don't have mirrors...

I've got it!
JL is psychic! He should have known that by slowing down to take the corner safely he was going to cause Miller to fly in there and take out CC. J.A.W. thanks for enlightening us as to JL's true powers, he probably already knows if he will win the championship this year!:first:

I see your point - JL is psychic!
That's why he can ride with a fogged up visor!
You are a genius...

[Shaun Harris]

I see your point - JL is psychic!
That's why he can ride with a fogged up visor!
You are a genius...


Man, his pay cheque for wearing them MUST be HUGE! Not that he would not have enough money already to live like a king for the rest of his life, and very well deserved. But it is Time I say to walk from that helmet contract, or fukin learn the basics of taking care of your own dam helmet at least, it actually is very very easy and rewarding, as you the rider, know it is 100% good to go

[J.A.W.]

I see your point - JL is psychic!
That's why he can ride with a fogged up visor!
You are a genius...

& you actually buy that pathetic excuse?

Hilarious - hey fella, have I got an investment opportunity for you!

There's this bridge across Auckland harbour - that I can sell you..

[Oscar]

Man, his pay cheque for wearing them MUST be HUGE! Not that he would not have enough money already to live like a king for the rest of his life, and very well deserved. But it is Time I say to walk from that helmet contract, or fukin learn the basics of taking care of your own dam helmet at least, it actually is very very easy and rewarding, as you the rider, know it is 100% good to go

Yeah, and it ain't like the Helmet Manufacturer is getting any benefit from the arrangement.
Two fuck ups this year and I think JL has had fogging problems in previous years.

As for helmet care - us off road riders get other riders to chuck rocks and mud at us.
Nowt like following a 530EXC down a gravel road to shine that Shoei!

[pritch]

The TV coverage showed Lorenzo pulling into the pits and pointing at his visor which was badly fogged. Someone has since posted a photo on Twitter showing that he wasn't using one of those nose guards that direct breath away from the lens either.

At some point Jorge has to start taking responsibility for his own performance. He needs to get a decent helmet and stick an HJC sticker on it for wet races. There's a long history of sponsored sportspeople doing equipment swaps, from Tour de France cycle teams to golfers.

[husaberg]

I think we're talking at cross purposes here.
I was replying to Just Another Wally regarding his claim that the new investor in Dorna (Bridgepoint) would pressure management to increase the number of pommy riders involved. Aside from the fact that Bridgepoint has partners all over W. Europe it would not get involved in day to day management any more than the other big investor in Dorna, the Canadian Pension Fund. I doubt we'll be seeing a Canadian MotoGP race or rider in the near future.
I believe he is right just as the Indians with the controlling the ICC insist on only high profile games for themselves, With all the money coming out of SA rugby they have a huge say in ours thus NZ Rugby ends up playing SA and AUST all the time.
Lastly Oscar Canadian investment fund may not be as Canadian as you think it is, so it might actually signal more Chinese riders.

[Shaun Harris]

The TV coverage showed Lorenzo pulling into the pits and pointing at his visor which was badly fogged. Someone has since posted a photo on Twitter showing that he wasn't using one of those nose guards that direct breath away from the lens either.

At some point Jorge has to start taking responsibility for his own performance. He needs to get a decent helmet and stick an HJC sticker on it for wet races. There's a long history of sponsored sportspeople doing equipment swaps, from Tour de France cycle teams to golfers.



YEP, it really is that simple. Man he can ride a bike, but struggles to keep all required in ballance though

[Mental Trousers]

haha to funny, a MOD on here sent me a message saying to report this troll, as nothing will happen unless that is done WTF. If he as a mod on here thinks this is a TROLL, why does he not do some thing himself

Until someone reports the guy there's no problem. If you can't click on the Report Post link then it's all just bullshit and nobody is upset.

Reported posts are how the Mods gauge if something is actually wrong or not. The more reported posts for a person, the bigger the problem.

If the Mods went ahead and acted on what they thought might upset people you'd have been banned years ago, but as it is nobody reports your posts too often so no problem.

[husaberg]

haha to funny, a MOD on here sent me a message saying to report this troll, as nothing will happen unless that is done WTF. If he as a mod on here thinks this is a TROLL, why does he not do some thing himself

There is a old fable about casting stones Shaun.

Haha Just ignore it, I am only trying to seek attention again

I so love filling in my time and keeping myself busy, so it gives you all some thing to type about. You are ALL very welcome

Take ya meds and fuk off drew

That fits with the size of ya dick, ya dick.

So why do you have 2 sign in names then cock sucker

Have you taken your pills today yet Drew

Nah dude. Shaun is gone from here as he kept getting told to fuck off haha But Motodynamix is going no where in a hurry from here, so suffer

Shall we count the DRIBBLES you just left on the ground dude as per usuall. Ya pathetic soft cock no name wanker. Thought I would try to help ya all, but fuck it, You are tossers and I just have to accept that from now on, and forget about sidecar racing ( haha) if that is what you call from 4th place down.

Do you somehow forget how much crap that has been thrown about with you and Gordie and Drew.:laugh:
I am not exactly innocent myself either.

[Oscar]

There is a old fable about casting stones Shaun.





Do you somehow forget how much crap that has been thrown about with you and Gordie and Drew.:laugh:

Shaun may be a troll, but he's our troll (and he's a ginga, so you know, slighty strange from birth).
Besides, there is reason to believe that the new guy is Australian

[Shaun Harris]

There is a old fable about casting stones Shaun.









Do you somehow forget how much crap that has been thrown about with you and Gordie and Drew.:laugh:
I am not exactly innocent myself either.


Sure do NOT Dude. But all people you have mentioned, actually know each other, or have been REAL people involved in the racing scene here for a long time. Then all of a sudden the troll pops up. He was asked yesterday to identify himself, or at least give a bit of history as to who he is and his knoledge of racing, But NOTHING came back at all. Trolls are just like some mods, they POP up when they feel like it. For me to be Kicked off here, would be so dam funny, Just ask the owner of the site about that MENTAL T

[Shaun Harris]

Shaun may be a troll, but he's our troll (and he's a ginga, so you know, slighty strange from birth).
Besides, there is reason to believe that the new guy is Australian



Fuked up since 15-12-1963 :msn-wink: June 2007 only added to it LOL:banana:

Re passed all my Nurophyciatrist test again 2 weeks ago though, so according to the specialist, I AM FINE!!! haha Again world, I am "Back in Black" Phil Rudd ACDC Rocks, No matter how crazy he may act on accasions.

[pritch]

For me to be Kicked off here, would be so dam funny,

Nah, I still miss WINJA. I hope he finally got his roof painted.

[Erelyes]

There's been exactly 2/10 of fuckall on the HJC social media pages about Jorge's visor fogging. Jorge has laid the blame squarely on the helmet so indeed their PR department is conspicuous in their abscence.

Perhaps their target market is just fair weather riders?

'So today the foggy visor lost me three points and it's the second time this year that I've lost points because of the helmet. I cannot tell you what is going to happen in the future but for sure we have problems with it.

[Shaun Harris]

Nah, I still miss WINJA. I hope he finally got his roof painted.



Winja was a good laugh really

[husaberg]

Sure do NOT Dude. But all people you have mentioned, actually know each other, or have been REAL people involved in the racing scene here for a long time. Then all of a sudden the troll pops up. He was asked yesterday to identify himself, or at least give a bit of history as to who he is and his knoledge of racing, But NOTHING came back at all. Trolls are just like some mods, they POP up when they feel like it. For me to be Kicked off here, would be so dam funny, Just ask the owner of the site about that MENTAL T

Well I know who he is, But that's up to him to reveal it, if he wishes. not me
I figured it out pretty quick actually. A few others have figured it out as well.

No ones suggesting to kick you off the site Shaun. (as far as I know)
I was just pointing out that everyone behave like a tosser at times, the interpretations of who and when is probably best not determined by individuals involved.
I must say you are getting better at dealing with what is directed at you by laughing it off an not biting back, Afterall its only KB.
Mental is a site Admin he a bloody top bloke in all dealings I have had with him and bloody helpful to boot.
Last I heard Spankme owns the site.
Mods can't be everywhere and they can't please everyone.


Shaun may be a troll, but he's our troll (and he's a ginga, so you know, slighty strange from birth).
Besides, there is reason to believe that the new guy is Australian
Shaun I would seriously consider that an offer of adoption.:niceone:

I actually got called out about picking on a ginga the other day so I will leave that one alone..........
Funny thing was the Ranga In question only has one KB friend and that is me.

[Oscar]

Fuked up since 15-12-1963 :msn-wink: June 2007 only added to it LOL:banana:

Re passed all my Nurophyciatrist test again 2 weeks ago though, so according to the specialist, I AM FINE!!! haha Again world, I am "Back in Black" Phil Rudd ACDC Rocks, No matter how crazy he may act on accasions.

Piss off - you were mental in the '80's, don't be blaming it on crashing.

[Shaun Harris]

Piss off - you were mental in the '80's, don't be blaming it on crashing.



Haha, as said dude, it all started on the 15-12-63

[Shaun Harris]

Well I know who he is, But that's up to him to reveal it, if he wishes. not me
I figured it out pretty quick actually. A few others have figured it out as well.

No ones suggesting to kick you off the site Shaun. (as far as I know)
I was just pointing out that everyone behave like a tosser at times, the interpretations of who and when is probably best not determined by individuals involved.
I must say you are getting better at dealing with what is directed at you by laughing it off an not biting back, Afterall its only KB.
Mental is a site Admin he a bloody top bloke in all dealings I have had with him and bloody helpful to boot.
Last I heard Spankme owns the site.
Mods can't be everywhere and they can't please everyone.


Shaun I would seriously consider that an offer of adoption.:niceone:

I actually got called out about picking on a ginga the other day so I will leave that one alone..........
Funny thing was the Ranga In question only has one KB friend and that is me.


It would be good to know who he is, as I find it very hard to have any faith in what he is saying at all. I am sure he would be read a little better if there was any history to him, as his comments so far re the silverstone event, have been totally WRONG and rude to other posters, so seriously curious as to who it is? But as you said, I guess that is up to him to announce if he chooses too, or just stay hidden by an incomplete name. He may be takin a little more seriously if he was to speak up about who he is and has done to have the oppinions that he has posted though.

YES, I have been rude to many on here as others have, but all of those people have been on here a long time, and kind of earned the write to speak there minds, IMO anyway. You gotta walk before you can run eh H.

[husaberg]

It would be good to know who he is, as I find it very hard to have any faith in what he is saying at all. I am sure he would be read a little better if there was any history to him, as his comments so far re the silverstone event, have been totally WRONG and rude to other posters, so seriously curious as to who it is? But as you said, I guess that is up to him to announce if he chooses too, or just stay hidden by an incomplete name. He may be takin a little more seriously if he was to speak up about who he is and has done to have the oppinions that he has posted though.

YES, I have been rude to many on here as others have, but all of those people have been on here a long time, and kind of earned the write to speak there minds, IMO anyway. You gotta walk before you can run eh H.

What I see here irrespective on whether I agree with his theory is a lot of bagging back and forth. (as I said looked like a hell of a torpedo kamikaze mission to me)
whether his opinion is valid is pretty irrelevant he has a right to it and to express it, you guys can decide whether it is relevant or worthy.
Gee Shaun if time spent on KB or number of posts was a decider to the weight or validly of someone's opinion on events, we are totally fucked.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=30

[Shaun Harris]

What I see here irrespective on whether I agree with his theory is a lot of bagging back and forth. (as I said looked like a hell of a torpedo kamikaze mission to me)
whether his opinion is valid is pretty irrelevant he has a right to it and to express it, you guys can decide whether it is relevant or worthy.
Gee Shaun if time spent on KB or number of posts was a decider to the weight or validly of someone's opinion on events, we are totally fucked.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=30


Agreed actually. Re this comment from you " I must say you are getting better at dealing with what is directed at you by laughing it off an not biting back, Afterall its only KB"

It takes a long time to settle after a head injury as bad as my one was man, thanks for noticing though. I actuallt feel proud of myself about that some times after I read some things on the net, and do NOT go off on one any longer lol

[J.A.W.]

Fuked up since 15-12-1963 :msn-wink: June 2007 only added to it LOL:banana:

Re passed all my Nurophyciatrist test again 2 weeks ago though, so according to the specialist, I AM FINE!!! haha Again world, I am "Back in Black" Phil Rudd ACDC Rocks, No matter how crazy he may act on accasions.


Yeah Right.. as the ol' Tui bill board reckoned..

If you have such a hard-on for credentials.. well then.. post your psychometrics test results - so we can all have a laugh..

How much cognitive function capability.. 'bout as much as a - senile old woman - if going by your piss-weak carry on here..

How's the ol' frontal lobe/impulse control going for ya? If ya wanna dish it, can ya take it eh, little fella?

& going on about how good you USED to be.. awwww.. so bloody what.. this now, not ancient history..


Is this a forum for motorcycle enthuisasts.. or a "Mean Girls" re-enactment bloody bitch-camp society..


Anyhow.. we'll see..

If the money is behind V.R. for another ah, 'fairy tale' championship win, then George will get the "Get off the stage, loser" deal..

[husaberg]

Agreed actually. Re this comment from you " I must say you are getting better at dealing with what is directed at you by laughing it off an not biting back, Afterall its only KB"

It takes a long time to settle after a head injury as bad as my one was man, thanks for noticing though. I actuallt feel proud of myself about that some times after I read some things on the net, and do NOT go off on one any longer lol

Granted and maybe being allegedly Australian should be considered like never actually recovering from a head injury.
Seriously though People can give shit about what else you have said or done or not but there is a few things in your life that can never be taken off you Shaun.
Yes they may not make you a better person. But they certainly make you a better rider than 99% of those on here.

Plus having had a fist fight with Dave Dobbyn.

[Oscar]

Granted and maybe being allegedly Australian should be considered like never actually recovering from a head injury.
Seriously though People can give shit about what else you have said or done or not but there is a few things in your life that can never be taken off you Shaun.
Yes they may not make you a better person. But they certainly make you a better rider than 99% of those on here.

Plus having had a fist fight with Dave Dobbyn.

The fact that he's been there and done that makes him credible (just this one time, I grant you).

Basically if Shaun Harris, Mike Webb, Loris Capirossi et al say that JM was in the wrong, then I will accept their judgement (aside from the fact that I actually agree with them) coz they have credibility.

If some idiot troll starts saying the opposite, and I know nothing about his experience in the sport, I'm going to have to disagree with him.

[J.A.W.]

Dave Dobbyn! too funny, midget fight!

I recall attending an early Th' Dudes show - as a violent punk - intent on bashing them..
Those pretty boys made themselves scarce.. quick smart..

Interesting quote selection you posted there too, ta, H..

Now back to topic.. What is Honda's plan to upset V.R. championship-wise?

They've never forgiven him for ratting off to Yamaha..

[husaberg]

The fact that he's been there and done that makes him credible (just this one time, I grant you).

Basically if Shaun Harris, Mike Webb, Loris Capirossi et al say that JM was in the wrong, then I will accept their judgement (aside from the fact that I actually agree with them) coz they have credibility.

If some idiot troll starts saying the opposite, and I know nothing about his experience in the sport, I'm going to have to disagree with him.

Fair enough but as I read it all the trash talk was pretty equally dished out on both sides.

[Shaun Harris]

Granted and maybe being allegedly Australian should be considered like never actually recovering from a head injury.
Seriously though People can give shit about what else you have said or done or not but there is a few things in your life that can never be taken off you Shaun.
Yes they may not make you a better person. But they certainly make you a better rider than 99% of those on here.

Plus having had a fist fight with Dave Dobbyn.




Haha an cheers man. I am an OLD has been only now though.

[J.A.W.]

The fact that he's been there and done that makes him credible (just this one time, I grant you).

Basically if Shaun Harris, Mike Webb, Loris Capirossi et al say that JM was in the wrong, then I will accept their judgement (aside from the fact that I actually agree with them) coz they have credibility.

If some idiot troll starts saying the opposite, and I know nothing about his experience in the sport, I'm going to have to disagree with him.


Translation of above blather: Purblind arse-licker..

See for yourself, fool.. or be the "idiot troll" if you want.. after all, - why change the habit of a lifetime, now.. L.O.L...

[J.A.W.]

Fair enough but as I read it all the trash talk was pretty equally dished out on both sides.

For sure.. & hey, we wouldn't want to risk - having the facts - cloud the bloody issue, right?

Get a ruckus goin', its much more fun.. " I swear to god, I'll pistol whip the next fool who says shenannigans!" L.O.L...

[Madness]

Shenannigans.

[husaberg]

" I swear to god, I'll pistol whip the next fool who says shenannigans!" L.O.L...

Shenannigans.
He said they had to say the word ✓
He also did specify it had to be a fool. ✓:clap:
We have all had fun but its the Motogp thread lets keep it as that and leave the rest of the crap for R&R threads

[J.A.W.]

"Those snozberries taste like snozberries"

Yet another ( 2ndary) quote from 'Super Troopers' ( previously referenced, a bit earlier in thread)..

Y'know, as a bit of a larf.. if we're goin' all like full-on silly-buggers, 'n' all..

Anyhow.. what will Ducati do?
Back V.R. for the title, as a compatriot, or do a Honda, & hold his ratting - against him?

[sugilite]

Anyhow.. what will Ducati do?
Back V.R. for the title, as a compatriot, or do a Honda, & hold his ratting - against him?
Ducati will attempt to improve setup with their new machine. Valentino and Lorenzo will continue to fight for the championship and that will likely go down to the last race. Honda will continue to try and get their bike working better and build a better bike for next year, as will all the other manufacturers - oh yeah - and :yawn:

[J.A.W.]

oh yeah - and :yawn:

Jeeze Sluglite, bloody hope the rest of the racin' aint that bloody boringly processional..

[Oscar]

Fair enough but as I read it all the trash talk was pretty equally dished out on both sides.

Me?
Talking trash?
Surely you jest...?

[J.A.W.]

Me?
Talking trash?
Surely you jest...?


I can smell it on your breath - from over bloody here, 0, mate.. phwooaaahh.. rank, or what - eh..

& Dani-boi will be sent on a Kamikaze mission - to spoil V.R.'s chances - if he looks like getting the crown..

[sugilite]

Jeeze Sluglite, bloody hope the rest of the racin' aint that bloody boringly processional..

Not at all B.O.R.E., the racing is freaking awesomely exciting this year! :yes:
Your line of questioning I responded to? Meh - not so much.

Something I would like to see would be MM and Jack Miller swap bikes for a race, now that would be entertainment. :devil2:

[Shaun Harris]

Not at all B.O.R.E., the racing is freaking awesomely exciting this year! :yes:
Your line of questioning I responded to? Meh - not so much.

Something I would like to see would be MM and Jack Miller swap bikes for a race, now that would be entertainment. :devil2:


Talking with Children on the internet can be hard

[Oscar]

Talking with Children on the internet can be hard

Take a look in the Classic section, he's a different bloke in there.
He actually posted some interesting shit.

[J.A.W.]

Not at all B.O.R.E., the racing is freaking awesomely exciting this year!

Jeeze Sluglite, you must be a cheap date.. or a crash-fest junkie..

There ain't been too many - real good - hammer & tongs races this year..

Fair point - about putting Jack-the-lad on a gun machine - though..

[J.A.W.]

Talking with Children on the internet can be hard

Not 1/2 as hard as - arguing with the troll - who stares back at you from the mirror - though, eh, SH..

( Seriously though, if you are getting hard - talking with children on the 'net.. you bloody well deserve to get busted, IMO..)

[sugilite]

Fair point - about putting Jack-the-lad on a gun machine - though..

Nah, Jack may finish a place or two higher, or crash - yet again. Though fair play to him, he is doing what every good rookie should do, pay his dues by getting on with finding the limit and becoming a far faster rider for it next year. He will be a force to reckon with in the future for sure - or keep the team fairing repair guy very busy. We shall see.
I was talking more about the carnage MM would cause over-riding a bike more than the one he already has.

[Drew]

Jorge crashed his brains out for a while on the big bikes...but he was a front runner. Jack doesn't have the goods, from everything I've seen of him anyway.

[sugilite]

Jorge crashed his brains out for a while on the big bikes...but he was a front runner. Jack doesn't have the goods, from everything I've seen of him anyway.

Doohan did not set the World on fire at first, well from my somewhat faded memory anyway lol

[J.A.W.]

Jorge crashed his brains out for a while on the big bikes...but he was a front runner. Jack doesn't have the goods, from everything I've seen of him anyway.

& that's pretty much what the 'pundits' used to say about KC Stoner too, back in the day.. & they were.. wrong.. guess its up to Jack..

[J.A.W.]

Doohan did not set the World on fire at first, well from my somewhat faded memory anyway lol

Yeah, he took his time - to get going fast on the 500s..
..but he was one of the few, very few, WSBK race winners to then make it big - in G.P.s..

[husaberg]

Doohan did not set the World on fire at first, well from my somewhat faded memory anyway lol


Yeah, he took his time - to get going fast on the 500s..
..but he was one of the few, very few, WSBK race winners to then make it big - in G.P.s..

Doohan had only done a couple of years racing before he was brought into 500 GPs he scored a podium his first year from memory.(better check) Yip a third place
He went from Production 250's to Superbike to 500's in about 3 years. no it was a year an a half between 250 production bikes and 500 GP
He was also hamstrung on a point and squirt bike developed around Wayne
He then had a series of minor injuries. then injury robbed him of the ttile in 1992 and he was not right for 93

He made his Grand Prix debut for Honda on a 500 cc two-stroke motorcycle in 1989.
Late in the 1990 season Doohan claimed his first victory at the Hungarian Grand Prix on his way to third in the championship. (which was one place ahead of Wayne Gardner on the same bike)


Schwantz and Rainey and Lawson all had AMA superbike backgrounds

[Shaun Harris]

Doohan had only done a couple of years racing before he was brought into 500 GPs he scored a podium his first year from memory.(better check)
He went from Production 250's to Superbike to 500's in about 3 years.
He was also hamstrung on a point and squirt bike developed around Wayne
He then had a series of minor injuries. then injury robbed him of the ttile in 1992 and he was not right for 93

He made his Grand Prix debut for Honda on a 500 cc two-stroke motorcycle in 1989.
Late in the 1990 season Doohan claimed his first victory at the Hungarian Grand Prix on his way to third in the championship.


Schwantz and Rainey and Lawson all had AMA superbike backgrounds


Doohan

1 year as No 9
1 year as no3
and then No 1- I Think from memory

[J.A.W.]

Doohan had only done a couple of years racing before he was brought into 500 GPs he scored a podium his first year from memory.(better check) Yip a third place
He went from Production 250's to Superbike to 500's in about 3 years. no it was a year an a half between 250 production bikes and 500 GP
He was also hamstrung on a point and squirt bike developed around Wayne
He then had a series of minor injuries. then injury robbed him of the ttile in 1992 and he was not right for 93

He made his Grand Prix debut for Honda on a 500 cc two-stroke motorcycle in 1989.
Late in the 1990 season Doohan claimed his first victory at the Hungarian Grand Prix on his way to third in the championship. (which was one place ahead of Wayne Gardner on the same bike)


Schwantz and Rainey and Lawson all had AMA superbike backgrounds

I watched Doohan (& Dowson) on team Marlboro Yamaha superbikes take on the NR 750 Honda of Mal Campbell around the 'Thunderdome'
Calder Park raceway in Melbourne back in ~`87 - & Doohan went on to win WSBK at P.Is ( or was it Oran Park?).. so he was snapped up by Honda G.P...

[husaberg]

Doohan

1 year as No 9
1 year as no3
and then No 1- I Think from memory
Google
89 ninth
90 Third
91 second (year he was injuried while he had a massive lead in points and missed 4 races)
92 Second
93 forth
94-98 First
99 injuried

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Doohan

I should also note that Aaron slight was able to match caporssi (I think it was) times when he was given a spin on the NSR

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, he took his time - to get going fast on the 500s..
..but he was one of the few, very few, WSBK race winners to then make it big - in G.P.s..

Yeah but before world supers many many riders made the transition from superbikes to 500's and smoked it.

[J.A.W.]

Yeah but before world supers many many riders made the transition from superbikes to 500's and smoked it.

Most of them had also raced pukka 2-stroke GP bikes too though..

[husaberg]

Most of them had also raced pukka 2-stroke GP bikes too though..

Rainey for sure as he did a year for Roberts about 84, don't think Swantze or Lawson did though.
Gobert did the transition from MX to world superbike winner in one year.
Shame was an idiot.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Most of them had also raced pukka 2-stroke GP bikes too though..

Incorrect. Croz, Gardner, Lawson, Rainey, KS etc etc all raced bike four strokes well before they did 500's.

[J.A.W.]

Incorrect. Croz, Gardner, Lawson, Rainey, KS etc etc all raced bike four strokes well before they did 500's.

Croz got the bloody lap record at Bathurst `79 on a GP bike.. a TKA Kawasaki KR 750 - 2-stroke.. & he raced it in Europe too..

IF you actually check, most of them had raced 2-strokes earlier in their careers..

Schwantz even raced an RG 500 F1 ( yes, F1) bike..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Croz got the bloody lap record at Bathurst `79 on a GP bike.. a TKA Kawasaki KR 750 - 2-stroke.. & he raced it in Europe too..

IF you actually check, most of them had raced 2-strokes earlier in their careers..

Well that's fucking odd then. Cause this fucking picture is well before 1970 fucking 9

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And Revvin Kevin started out on GSXR's.

[J.A.W.]

Duplicate post.

[J.A.W.]

Well - why don't you post a pic of him racing an H1R 500 G.P. bike, even before the Z1.. which he did.. ya aint read his book yet, then - eh?

Schwantz was racing years before GSX-Rs came out - too..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well - why don't you post a pic of him racing an H1R 500 G.P. bike, even before the Z1.. which he did.. ya aint read his book yet, then - eh?

Actually, I had a beer with him on the night he released the book at the bike shop I was then working in.

[J.A.W.]

So no, then, obviously.. (check his website - if you really want to know)..

[husaberg]

Incorrect. Croz, Gardner, Lawson, Rainey, KS etc etc all raced bike four strokes well before they did 500's.

Pete, Rainey had a year racing 250 GP bikes for Kenny Roberts in 1984
He then went back to the US for the next 3 or so years.
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[J.A.W.]

Rainey had a year racing 250 GP bikes for Kenny Roberts in 1984
He then went back to the US for the next 3 or so years

& Gardner raced 2-stroke dirt bikes - before road racing a TZ..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rainey had a year racing 250 GP bikes for Kenny Roberts in 1984
He then went back to the US for the next 3 or so years

Which is a far cry from a 500, as is an H1R. All of the names I listed honed their craft and made their names on big four strokes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

& Gardner raced 2-stroke dirt bikes - before road racing a TZ..

Aahhhhh...so racing an old two stroke dirtbike counts eh? Well that's it then...they all were two stroke experts well before they became famous racing big four strokes! Dork.

[husaberg]

Which is a far cry from a 500, as is an H1R. All of the names I listed honed their craft and made their names on big four strokes.

Pete a H1R is a factory 500 GP bike.
Tis what Ginger used to race.

Depending on the year they looked like one of these.
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[Crasherfromwayback]

So no, then, obviously.. (check his website - if you really want to know)..

Well to save me the time (seeing as you know everything and have read the book), tell me how many times he raced his H1R Then tell me how many races he raced in on big four strokes before he went to the 500's?

And an H1R was what...80hp?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete a H1R is a factory 500 GP bike.
Tis what Ginger used to race.

LOl. I know exactly what an H1R is thanks mate.

[J.A.W.]

Aahhhhh...so racing an old two stroke dirtbike counts eh? Well that's it then...they all were two stroke experts well before they became famous racing big four strokes! Dork.

Dork.. it was a current 2-stroke dirt bike, & racing dirt bikes sure does count.. ask Kenny Roberts..
& a TZ is - what kind of race bike? Not a Castrol 6hr production bike, is it?

So yeah.. they really did have plenty of 2-stroke race rides up before going to 500 G.Ps..

[Drew]

Well - why don't you post a pic of him racing an H1R 500 G.P. bike, even before the Z1.. which he did.. ya aint read his book yet, then - eh?

Schwantz was racing years before GSX-Rs came out - too..
If anyone hasn't, I reckon they're the lucky ones. It's better written than the Britten book, but I thought it was still shit.

[J.A.W.]

Well to save me the time (seeing as you know everything and have read the book), tell me how many times he raced his H1R Then tell me how many races he raced in on big four strokes before he went to the 500's?

And an H1R was what...80hp?

Read the bloody book, you'll enjoy it.. ( you might even learn something)..

H1R was good enough for Ginger to get 2nd in the 500 World Championships & clock 173mph down Conrod Straight at Bathurst..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, he took his time - to get going fast on the 500s..
..but he was one of the few, very few, WSBK race winners to then make it big - in G.P.s..


Yeah but before world supers many many riders made the transition from superbikes to 500's and smoked it.


Most of them had also raced pukka 2-stroke GP bikes too though..

So a dirt bike is a pukka gp bike? And a couple of rides on an old 80hp H1R complete with drum brakes got him ready for an RGB500? Ok...you can win the Croz argument then. How 'bout the others?

And just so ya know, I've actually raced a *proper* 250GP bike, and no...that wouldn't count for sweet fuck all when going to a 500-4. But hey...you're the expert!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Read the bloody book, you'll enjoy it.. ( you might even learn something)..

H1R was good enough for Ginger to get 2nd in the 500 World Championships & clock 173mph down Conrod Straight at Bathurst..


Dude, a Moto Guzzi V8 did 180 mph back in the day. So fucking what? And I know how good Ginger Malloy is, I've raced against him.

[J.A.W.]

Croz won a TT on a 500, but he'd got the Bathurst lap record on a KR 750 1st..

& yeah, he'd won a more'n a few races on the big Kawasaki triples too..

[husaberg]

LOl. I know exactly what an H1R is thanks mate.

Ya must have forgot when you did ya original reply then aye Pete;)
The one where you said it wasn't like a 500GP bike

Which is a far cry from a 500, as is an H1R. All of the names I listed honed their craft and made their names on big four strokes.
Psus I told you Rainey raced a works 250GP bike in Europe in 1984 for Roberts

If it was a Neville Doyle prepped H1R green meanie it was likely closer to 100HP
Note that RG500 that he raced a few years were not so much more than that 120 at most

[J.A.W.]

Dude, a Moto Guzzi V8 did 180 mph back in the day. So fucking what? And I know how good Ginger Malloy is, I've raced against him.

Yeah, did you get 180 mph out of your 250? Why not? Too slow through the corners?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete a H1R is a factory 500 GP bike.
Tis what Ginger used to race.

Depending on the year they looked like one of these.
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Think the first one there may well be an H2R mate.

[husaberg]

Think the first one there may well be an H2R mate.

It looks like one but isn't
its a H1Rw

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ya must have forgot when you did ya original reply then aye Pete;)
The one where you said it wasn't like a 500GP bike
If it was a Neville Doyle prepped H1R green meanie it was likely closer to 100HP
Note that RG500 that he raced a few years were not so much more than that 120 at most

I said it was nothing like an 80's GP bike mate, and it ain't. An RS250 like I raced prob had more power, and was certainly lighter...so yeah...nothing like an 80's 500 sorry. But nice try. I think you may be forgetting that I cut my teeth in a Kawasaki dealership first up eh? So yep...knew what an H1R was before you prob knew how to ride a bike. :msn-wink:

[J.A.W.]

Hard to tell with the fairing on, the later ones were water-cooled, Mick Grant won the `75 Senior TT on one..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, did you get 180 mph out of your 250?

Didn't stay on it long enough to get there.

[husaberg]

I said it was nothing like an 80's GP bike mate, and it ain't. An RS250 like I raced prob had more power, and was certainly lighter...so yeah...nothing like an 80's 500 sorry. But nice try. I think you may be forgetting that I cut my teeth in a Kawasaki dealership first up eh? So yep...knew what an H1R was before you prob knew how to ride a bike. :msn-wink:


I realise that. I also realise ya f-ed that one up.
You are talking about a mid seventies GP bike vs a early 80 GP bike.
Croz was racing a RG500 it was a few years ahead of a H1r but not night and day.

[J.A.W.]

I said it was nothing like an 80's GP bike mate, and it ain't. An RS250 like I raced prob had more power, and was certainly lighter...so yeah...nothing like an 80's 500 sorry. But nice try. I think you may be forgetting that I cut my teeth in a Kawasaki dealership first up eh? So yep...knew what an H1R was before you prob knew how to ride a bike. :msn-wink:


Doubt it.. esp judging by how much you've shown - you don't know - in the last few posts..

Those early piston-port `70s 500s with crappy suspension & rubber were much peakier/harder to ride fast than the later `80s - on bikes..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Psus I told you Rainey raced a works 250GP bike in Europe in 1984 for Roberts

If it was a Neville Doyle prepped H1R green meanie it was likely closer to 100HP
Note that RG500 that he raced a few years were not so much more than that 120 at most

Go back and read post #1863. Then get back to me.

[husaberg]

Hard to tell with the fairing on, the later ones were water-cooled, Mick Grant won the `75 Senior TT on one..

The pipe routing plus the picture is titled H1rW

Go back and read post #1863. Then get back to me.
is it this one

Incorrect. Croz, Gardner, Lawson, Rainey, KS etc etc all raced bike four strokes well before they did 500's.



Rainey for sure as he did a year for Roberts about 84, don't think Swantze or Lawson did though.
Gobert did the transition from MX to world superbike winner in one year.
Shame was an idiot.

Pete, Rainey had a year racing 250 GP bikes for Kenny Roberts in 1984
He then went back to the US for the next 3 or so years.


Plus I told you Rainey raced a works 250GP bike in Europe in 1984 for Roberts

[Crasherfromwayback]

Doubt it.. esp judging by how much you've shown - you don't know - in the last few posts..

Those early piston-port `70s 500s with crappy suspension & rubber were much peakier/harder to ride fast than the later `80s - on bikes..

Really? How many H1's and H2's have you ridden? And I have no doubt the H1R was as peaky as fuck to squeeze enough HP out of it...but that's not really the point of this argument is it now? Do as I said to our other mate. Go read post # 1863 again. You're clinging to a very fine thread.

[Grumph]

Bloody squabbling children....Can i advance the theory that, yes, most if not all of the riders mentioned had 2 stroke experience on GP style bikes prior to making their names on big 4 strokes...I'd argue that this taught them the importance of line - and how to keep a motor in the power band.

Then when exposed to the big grunters of the 1000cc F1 era the wider powerbands plus relatively limited traction, taught them how to rear wheel steer...

So when they reached the evolved 500 fours they were capable of wringing the thing's neck...

Scwantz is an exception as i believe he went from TZ to 750 superbike AMA four strokes - GSX rather than GSXR....But he's simply an example of talent.

[J.A.W.]

Go back and read post #1863. Then get back to me.

Yeah, so.. do list all those who've won WSBK races & then gone on to win G.P.s..

There are heaps more who've done it - the other way around..

[J.A.W.]

Really? How many H1's and H2's have you ridden? And I have no doubt the H1R was as peaky as fuck to squeeze enough HP out of it...but that's not really the point of this argument is it now? Do as I said to our other mate. Go read post # 1863 again. You're clinging to a very fine thread.

Heaps, check my avatar..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, so.. do list all those who've won WSBK races & then gone on to win G.P.s..

There are heaps more who've done it - the other way around..

That's because they all go to Supers now to retire and milk another year or two of salary!


Heaps, check my avatar..

Well you'll know then just how lovely and torquey the H2's are then eh!

[ellipsis]

Heaps, check my avatar..

...it only lights up as 'Just Another Wanker...

[J.A.W.]

That's because they all go to Supers now to retire and milk another year or two of salary!



Well you'll know then just how lovely and torquey the H2's are then eh!

Yep, H1Rs, or hot-rodded piston-port H1s ( reed valved are different story) - not so much..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Croz was racing a RG500 it was a few years ahead of a H1r but not night and day.

Well we'll never agree on that one sorry. And for the record, a customer of mine from back in the day at Boyle Kawasaki had (and may well still have) an H1R. So sorry mate, you'd be wrong.

[J.A.W.]

...it only lights up as 'Just Another Wanker...

Sez the Hardley rider..L.O.L... Go on Epi, show us a pic of you doin' a burnout on that.. ( & not the bloody clutch, either)..

[J.A.W.]

Well we'll never agree on that one sorry. And for the record, a customer of mine from back in the day at Boyle Kawasaki had (and may well still have) an H1R. So sorry mate, you'd be wrong.

Croz beat John Woodley's RG 500 around Bathurst on the KR 750, in that `79 Aus G.P. at Bathurst..

[husaberg]

Well we'll never agree on that one sorry. And for the record, a customer of mine from back in the day at Boyle Kawasaki had (and may well still have) an H1R. So sorry mate, you'd be wrong.
Likely not
I still remember the first argument we had Pete, You remember the one where you swore black and blue Glenn Williams never raced a 883. Do you remember what you said when I posted the results when he finished second in the series.
I also note you never corrected yourself on Rainey. Just saying

[J.A.W.]

Likely not
I still remember the first argument we had Pete, You remember the one where you swore black and blue Glenn Williams never raced a 883.
I also note you never corrected yourself on Rainey

Glenn Williams did real good on an H2.. his racing experience doing that - probably helped at the I.o.M. too..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Likely not
I still remember the first argument we had Pete, You remember the one where you swore black and blue Glenn Williams never raced a 883. Do you remember what you said when I posted the results when he finished second in the series.
I also note you never corrected yourself on Rainey. Just saying

Which Glenn Williams are you referring to? And Rainey? Nothing to correct sorry mate. He cut his teeth on flattrack racing, and made his name and honed his skills on larger four strokes. Won many many super bike races before going to 500's. Just like I said... But you just hang on to that lil thread mate. But hey...I didn't know what an H1R was either!

[husaberg]

Which Glenn Williams are you referring to? And Rainey? Nothing to correct sorry mate. He cut his teeth on flattrack racing, and made his name and honed his skills on larger four strokes. Won many many super bike races before going to 500's. Just like I said... But you just hang on to that lil thread mate. But hey...I didn't know what an H1R was either!
Glenn Williams the first one
But what you said was a H1R wasn't like a 500GP bike when that's what it was like because that is what it was. like it or not

Rainey as I have said and even posted pictures of him doing so raced a year in Europe in 1984 on 250 GP bikes for Kenny Roberts he then went back to the US for 3 or 4 years, before going back to 500GPs

[J.A.W.]

Which Glenn Williams are you referring to? And Rainey? Nothing to correct sorry mate. He cut his teeth on flattrack racing, and made his name and honed his skills on larger four strokes. Won many many super bike races before going to 500's. Just like I said... But you just hang on to that lil thread mate. But hey...I didn't know what an H1R was either!

Wrong.. Road race-wise, Wayne Rainey got the Kawasaki superbike gig - after winning enough on their KR 250 GP bike..

[ellipsis]

...J**...you are just another wanker...

[J.A.W.]

I am just another wanker.. with a Honda...

Awww.. cant you do a burnout on the Honda, either Epi? Awww..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wrong.. Road race-wise, Wayne Rainey got the Kawasaki superbike gig - after winning enough on their KR 250 GP bike..

Think I do remember seeing him in pics on the tandem twins sorry! Thought it was onle Eddie that rode them. But I also think you and old Husahandle are actually missing my original point. But it's fucking hard having an argument with a guy that obviously keeps a little black book titled *the naughty KB'ers I've had arguments with over the years* by his bedside eh!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Glenn Williams the first one


Yeah nah. Can't remember that one. But congrats. How many pages is ya wee book now then?

[J.A.W.]

Think I do remember seeing him in pics on the tandem twins sorry! Thought it was onle Eddie that rode them. But I also think you and old Husahandle have actually demolished my original point eh!


Yeah, ta, - I took the liberty & fixed that for you eh, Pete..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, he took his time - to get going fast on the 500s..
..but he was one of the few, very few, superbike race winners to then make it big - in G.P.s... Not counting Rainey, Lawson, KS, Gardner, Croz, Magee, Crafar etc etc

Too easy eh?

[J.A.W.]

Too easy eh?

& still wrong.. I wrote WSBK.. that started in about`88.. since then, SFA of them have gone on to be GP winners..

[husaberg]

Yeah nah. Can't remember that one. But congrats. How many pages is ya wee book now then?

Pete just take a moment and let it percolate along with your coffee, That Rainey had 250GP bike experience in Europe in 1984 so take him off your list.
Also that while it might not be exactly the same as a 1980 rg500 A H1r is like 500gp because it was one.


I don't have a wee book or think you would make it into it Pete I can just remember how adamant you were that Glenn Williams did not race one I think at the time you said something about him being fried by then and overseas.

Too easy eh?

Go back and have a look I corrected him too ya not that special afterall

this shits going nowhere and just clogging up the thread
SO lets get back to the current moto Gp bikes and their farty horrible noises.

[J.A.W.]

Yeah, they've become a bit too sound-alike now.. all 4s & even the inlines sound like a V4..

Best sounding 4T Moto GP bike was the Aprilia Cube triple IMO.. I was impressed to 'feel' it howl by at P.Is..

[Crasherfromwayback]

& still wrong.. I wrote WSBK.. that started in about`88.. since then, SFA of them have gone on to be GP winners..


Pete just take a moment and let it percolate along with your coffee, That Rainey had 250GP bike experience in Europe in 1984 so take him off your list.
.

So fucking what the pair of ya?

Aaron Slight no doubt raced a 2 stroke dirt bike as a kid (as did, no doubt nearly every good road racer ever), and raced 250 proddie. But what do you remember him for? World Super Bikes perhaps? If he'd made it to the 500's...what was his backround? 250 proddie? Super bikes eh?

So Wayne Rainey and the others I mentioned were made famous racing what? So to say (and forget what you want to call the class...world supers, ama superbike...whatever the fuck) that not many super bike racers made it big in the 500gp class is a load of fucking bollocks. Yes they may've thrown a leg over a gp bike, but they were all basically superbike riders that made the successful switch.

Twist it all you want to make yourselves right...but there ain't too many clips or pics of either Croz or Rainey before their time of the 500's on anything other than four strokes.

Must get myself a wee book....

[husaberg]

So fucking what the pair of ya?

Aaron Slight no doubt raced a 2 stroke dirt bike as a kid (as did, no doubt nearly every good road racer ever), and raced 250 proddie. But what do you remember him for? World Super Bikes perhaps? If he'd made it to the 500's...what was his backround? 250 proddie? Super bikes eh?

So Wayne Rainey and the others I mentioned were made famous racing what? So to say (and forget what you want to call the class...world supers, ama superbike...whatever the fuck) that not many super bike racers made it big in the 500gp class is a load of fucking bollocks. Yes they may've thrown a leg over a gp bike, but they were all basically superbike riders that made the successful switch.

Twist it all you want to make yourselves right...but there ain't too many clips or pics of either Croz or Rainey before their time of the 500's on anything other than four strokes.

Must get myself a wee book....

Funny enough My first memory of Slight was wining the NZ 250 proddy championship on a KR250 what year was that 1984/1985/1986? he must have been blood young.
I never mentioned Aaron other than he did competitive times on a Nsr500 on the few times he was allowed to try one.
It wasn't about what they were famous for it was what there experience was.


Most of them had also raced pukka 2-stroke GP bikes too though..


Incorrect. Croz, Gardner, Lawson, Rainey, KS etc etc all raced bike four strokes well before they did 500's.

Just admit Wayne Rainey raced 2 strokes at GP level in 1984 in Europe and we can just get back to the farty noises and Shane can have his thread back. shit even I am getting bored by this.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Funny enough My first memory of Slight was wining the NZ 250 proddy championship on a KR250 what year was that 1984/1985/1986? he must have been blood young.


Just admit Wayne Rainey raced 2 strokes at GP level in 1984 in Europe and we can just get back to the farty noises and Shane can have his thread back. shit even I am getting bored by this.

Think you'll find it was RZ Yamaha's after his best mate Peter Blackwood was killed racing dirt track in the Wairarapa.

And pretty sure I never said Rainey had never raced two strokes mate (you do know he raced GPZ750's in ama superbike before going to Europe then eh?), only that he was from a super bike back round. But hey...you can win this one too! Put it in ya note book.

[husaberg]

Most of them had also raced pukka 2-stroke GP bikes too though..


Think you'll find it was RZ Yamaha's after his best mate Peter Blackwood was killed racing dirt track in the Wairarapa.

And pretty sure I never said Rainey had never raced two strokes mate (you do know he raced GPZ750's in ama superbike before going to Europe then eh?), only that he was from a super bike back round. But hey...you can win this one too! Put it in ya note book.

It was a KR250 the tandem roadbike. whilst he may have undoubtedly raced an RZ it was not my first memory of him
Come on Pete I put in what you quoted word for word. I don't care if he once rode is great uncle 1939 Rudge Ulster, it doesn't change the fact he did a year on A works 250 Yamaha in 1984 4 years prior to going to 500GP bikes.

I tried finding by google what year it was aaron was riding the Kr250 and came up with this.

Although you wouldn't know it by watching a 250 race now, Kawasaki was once a huge power-house in 250 racing in America and abroad. Future four-time world champion Eddie Lawson won the AMA 250 Grand Prix championship in both 1980 and 1981 on the Kawasaki KR250, a bike tuned for most of that period by Steve Johnson better take him off your list in ya notebook to Pete.
it should have come as a surprise to you Pete because you posted the next post in the thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151940-Now-here-is-something-I-never-knew-about-Aaron-Slight

[Autech]

Funny enough My first memory of Slight was wining the NZ 250 proddy championship on a KR250 what year was that 1984/1985/1986? he must have been blood young.

I have no memory of that as I was being born in 1986.

All this is very interesting to read though, I am humbled by your combined memories of who raced what, where and how they arrived there.


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[Crasherfromwayback]

It was a KR250 the tandem roadbike. whilst he may have undoubtedly raced an RZ it was not my first memory of him


I tried finding by google what year it was aaron was riding the Kr250 and came up with this.
better take him off your list in ya notebook to Pete.
it should have come as a surprise to you Pete because you posted the next post in the thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151940-Now-here-is-something-I-never-knew-about-Aaron-Slight

Show's what a total dickhead you are then eh. So google is your source of info it seems? Me...it's having been there. That KR250...that Aaron rode...was well after he made his name in racing RZ250's in NZ in 250 prodie...and FZ750's after. It was even after he raced super angel ow01's in Japan. And it wasn't a KR250 knobstain. It was a prototype v twin 250 GP bike with upside down Cylinders and the inlets above. They took it to Daytona and I think Aaron rode it to a top five placing...but it was never seen again. It was once Aaron was contracted to race Kawasaki's. A KR250 tandem twin (you know...the proddie versions, not the early GP 250 and 350 versions)...was my first ever road bike. But fuck me...what would I know eh? Maybe...just maybe...I've even chatted to Aaron about that bike? When he used to call into Boyle Kawasaki to talk to John and Mark Boyle...when he was having the back of his hand rebuilt after fucking it testing a factory ZXR400 in Japan?

So google away fuckhead. Because there's a shitload you know nothing about. Google has made the world a far worse place. Fuck me...even you can think you know all about H1R's and tandem twin Kr's, when it's now blatantly obvious...you know nothing about any of them.

Sleep well cuddled up to your wee book.

[husaberg]

Show's what a total dickhead you are then eh. So google is your source of info it seems? Me...it's having been there. That KR250...that Aaron rode...was well after he made his name in racing RZ250's in NZ in 250 prodie...and FZ750's after. It was even after he raced super angel ow01's in Japan. And it wasn't a KR250 knobstain. It was a prototype 250 GP bike with upside down Cylinders and the inlets above. It was once Aaron was contracted to race Kawasaki's. KR250 tandem twins (you know...the proddie versions)...like my first ever road bike. But fuck me...what would I know eh? Maybe...just maybe...I've even chatted to Aaron about that bike? When he used to call into Boyle Kawasaki to talk to John and Mark Boyle...when he was having the back of his hand rebuilt after fucking it testing a factory ZXR400 in Japan?

So google away fuckhead. Because there's a shitload you know nothing about. Google had made the world a far worse place. Fuck me...even you can think you know all about H1R's and tandem twin Kr's.

Sleep well cuddled up to your wee book.
think before you post Pete. FFS
I tried to google to find the year what was when Aaron won on the 250 road bike kawaski kr250. What came up the stuff about Lawson. I posted what it said about Lawson you idiot. I even highlighted it for you. I even said that's where I got it from.
here it is again.

Although you wouldn't know it by watching a 250 race now, Kawasaki was once a huge power-house in 250 racing in America and abroad. Future four-time world champion Eddie Lawson won the AMA 250 Grand Prix championship in both 1980 and 1981 on the Kawasaki KR250, a bike tuned for most of that period by Steve Johnson
You are the one who now starts up all this crap trying to make out i am talking about another bike.
I am talking about 1984-1986 the KR250 road bike. I have made that crystal clear from the start.
When I post a article from 1984 or what ever it was when as I have said Aaron won the NZ production championship I want you to print it out and shove it up ya bloody arse.
So will you admit then you are wrong, I doubt it. Seeing as far as I know google has nothing about him winning the proddy tittle here on a road bike kawaski 250 kr250. So how the fuck would I have got it from google.
lets face it you are wrong already about Rainey and now Lawson.

As for the other stuff about Aaron its all in that thread. Grow up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

think before you post Pete. FFS
I tried to google to find the year what was when Aaron won on the 250 road bike kawaski what came up and why I posted it was what it said about Lawson you idiot. I even highlighted it for you.

I am talking about 1984-1986 the KR250 road bike.
When I post a article from 1984 or what ever it was when as I have said Aaron won the NZ production championship I want you to print it out and shove it up ya bloody arse

Lol. Oh the irony. And speak Engrish.

But let's finish this...you were right...poor old Shane etc can have their Moto GP thread back. Lawson, Rainey, Gardner, KS, Croz, oh...and I forgot...Fast Freddie and the others I may've mentioned)...were all world famous for their gp bike prowess long before they made it big on 500cc gp bikes.

And post away numbnuts. Because the only NZ title Aaron won on 250 proddies...was on Rz's. So part your butt cheeks and enjoy it. And I love how you edit shit once I've posted something else. Part your cheeks motherfucker

[husaberg]

Lol. Oh the irony. And speak Engrish.

But let's finish this...you were right...poor old Shane etc can have their Moto GP thread back. Lawson, Rainey, Gardner, KS, Croz, oh...and I forgot...Fast Freddie and the others I may've mentioned)...were all world famous for their gp bike prowess long before they made it big on 500cc gp bikes.

And post away numbnuts. Because the only NZ title Aaron won on 250 proddies...was on Rz's. So part your butt cheeks and enjoy it. And I love how you edit shit once I've posted something else. Part your cheeks motherfucker
I will post the road test on the KR250 Road Bike 250 when I find it seeing as you had one you will enjoy it regardless or the slight discomfort of your butt cheeks will face.
Only thing I ask is you post no photos of said butt cheeks with article inserted, I will take your word on their insertion progression.
I only edit spelling and grammar. I have pretty bad grammar that's for sure. I do note you have edited my reply to you though.
You have not included the stuff where about where got it so wrong about what I posted about Lawson where you had gone off on a tangent claiming I was talking about another bike Aaron rode much later, when I was clearly not.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. I do note you have edited my reply to you though.

Bollocks again. And yeah...can't wait for you to show me when Aaron won a NZ250 proddie title on a KR250. My boss (Mark Boyle) and friend (Barry Baxter) that raced against Aaron (Yamaha RZ250 from Gregory Yamaha) will be keen to see that as well. Might help them get over it. They thought it might've been because they were on different bikes!

[husaberg]

Bollocks again. And yeah...can't wait for you to show me when Aaron won a NZ250 proddie title on a KR250. My boss (Mark Boyle) and friend (Barry Baxter) that raced against Aaron (Yamaha RZ250 from Gregory Yamaha) will be keen to see that as well. Might help them get over it. They thought it might've been because they were on different bikes!

So my reply above that contains twice as many words as what you quoted is exactly the same?

[sugilite]

So my reply above that contains twice as many words as what you quoted is exactly the same?

Dude, Aaron Slights NZ 250 production efforts began and ended while he was with Gregory Yamaha. It was Yamaha all the way before he went overseas. RZ250, FZ750, and the FZR1000T which had him crashing his brains out on as was every other Yamaha FZR1000T rider that was forced to use the Metzeler Laser front tyre. I had just started racing myself then and lived and breathed bike racing.

So pucker up sweet cheeks - Pete, his continued baseless drivel means you should dispense with the lube.

And those that are saying 2T dirt bikes, and production based 2T road bikes prepares one for a 500gp bike is like saying your good to go on a superbike after competing on a production based 300cc 4 stroke. Hilarious.

[pritch]

Sometimes I feel that the GP thread gets a bit quiet and it seems every other post is from me. Not lately. Jaw, Shaun, Pete & Co yer going great.

And there's Misano next week too.:niceone:

[Drew]

Sometimes I feel that the GP thread gets a bit quiet and it seems every other post is from me. Not lately. Jaw, Shaun, Pete & Co yer going great.

And there's Misano next week too.:niceone:

It's made me regret all the times I entertained myself, by winding cunts up.

[Oscar]

It's made me regret all the times I entertained myself, by winding cunts up.

This and the Adv section is far and away the most civillised in KB that I frequent.
So I guess the arrival of our friend JAW just lowered it to the norm around here.

[Drew]

This and the Adv section is far and away the most civillised in KB that I frequent.
So I guess the arrival of our friend JAW just lowered it to the norm around here.

Yeah, I've spent time in here winding people up too a couple times. Turns out no, I didn't know how stupid it made me look. Harris is still a cock smoking cunt though.

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah, I've spent time in here winding people up too a couple times. Turns out no, I didn't know how stupid it made me look. Harris is still a cock smoking cunt though.



Thanks Brother. LUV ya Too- ( Hey, was my spelling correct?

[Autech]

Sometimes I feel that the GP thread gets a bit quiet and it seems every other post is from me. Not lately. Jaw, Shaun, Pete & Co yer going great.

And there's Misano next week too.:niceone:

Misano! Home of Rossi, lets watch Lorenzo try and best him there.


Yeah, I've spent time in here winding people up too a couple times. Turns out no, I didn't know how stupid it made me look. Harris is still a cock smoking cunt though.

Harris is a cock smoking cunt that gets paid to go round watching motogp races babbling utter rubbish, which makes him even more of a cock sucking cunt.

[J.A.W.]

And those that are saying production based 2T road bikes prepares one for a 500gp bike is Hilarious.


Hilarious that Sluglite does not realize the facts.. Mick Doohan knows better than you.. & he actually did it..
He was one of the few to win a WSBK race & then go on to win a G.P., even if he started out road racing RZ producton bikes.

[sugilite]

Hilarious that Sluglite does not realize the facts.. Mick Doohan knows better than you.. & he actually did it..
He was one of the few to win a WSBK race & then go on to win a G.P., even if he started out road racing RZ producton bikes.
Hey Jabbering.Aussie.Wowser, go ask Mick if riding the proddie based RZ was anything like a riding a 500 GP bike?

[J.A.W.]

Hey Jabbering.Aussie.Wowser, go ask Mick if riding the proddie based RZ was anything like a riding a 500 GP bike?


Too funny..aint ya read his bio, Sluglite.. & yeah he raced an RZ 500, an umm.. G.P. race-rep.. theres a thing..

Is a road bike Yamaha R1M, or even the WSBK Superbike version, anything like the Moto GP bike.. a bit.. probably..

[sugilite]

Too funny..aint ya read his bio, Sluglite.. & yeah he raced an RZ 500, an umm.. G.P. race-rep.. theres a thing..

Is a road bike Yamaha R1M, or even the WSBK Superbike version, anything like the Moto GP bike.. a bit.. probably..

Yep, I owned and raced a RZ500, and though I have never swung a leg over a YZR500, I can confirm the 80HP RZ500 was born to be mild, unlike the pukka born to be wild YZR/NSR500's.
I would agree that a R1m would be closer to a M1 motogp - much more so than a RZ500 ever was to a YZR500.

[J.A.W.]

Dunno how close they'd actually be..

But I have had a bit of fun on a Suzuki RG 500 race-rep, & that was much closer to the G.P. bike than the RZ 500..
Kevin Schwantz raced an F1 (modified production) RG 500 in Europe, before the real deal, too..

If you check out the vid of the `84 Castrol 6hr race at Oran Park, won by Dowson/Scott on the RZ 500, it shows
how much more nimble the ( even comparatively porky RZ 500) 2-stroke is - than the massive Honda V4 1000s..

If Moto GP regs hadn't banned 2-strokes, likely a modern ~750cc 2T G.P. racer would be quicker - than the current porker 4Ts..

[Erelyes]

But what you said was a H1R wasn't like a 500GP bike when that's what it was like because that is what it was.


Ya must have forgot when you did ya original reply then aye Pete;)
The one where you said it wasn't like a 500GP bike

No, he said that a 250gp bike is a far cry from both 500s and H1Rs. He did not compare 500s/H1Rs to each other. Fuck me, basic english dude.

[J.A.W.]

No, he said that a 250gp bike is a far cry from 500s...

If you check the quickest laps recorded for G.P. 250s & 500s at Phillip Is.. you will see they are very close.. & not a "far cry".

The need for the rider & tuner/mechanics to correctly set up multiples of 125cc cylinders, pipes, carbs,/gear ratios & etc..
is a "far cry" from say, Moto 2 - now, though..

[husaberg]

No, he said that a 250gp bike is a far cry from both 500s and H1Rs. He did not compare 500s/H1Rs to each other. Fuck me, basic english dude.
Maybe you need to brush up on basic English. As is an It could not be any clearer.

Which is a far cry from a 500, as is an H1R. All of the names I listed honed their craft and made their names on big four strokes.

Pete a H1R is a factory 500 GP bike.
Tis what Ginger used to race.

Depending on the year they looked like one of these.


LOl. I know exactly what an H1R is thanks mate.

Well to save me the time (seeing as you know everything and have read the book), tell me how many times he raced his H1R Then tell me how many races he raced in on big four strokes before he went to the 500's?

And an H1R was what...80hp?

[sugilite]

If you check the quickest laps recorded for G.P. 250s & 500s at Phillip Is.. you will see they are very close.. & not a "far cry".

The need for the rider & tuner/mechanics to correctly set up multiples of 125cc cylinders, pipes, carbs,/gear ratios & etc..
is a "far cry" from say, Moto 2 - now, though..

Lap times are not really a indication of what different class bikes are actually like to ride. Both 250 and 500 strokers were very different to ride, both would launch a rider into space if they could - the 500's much more so.
I remember a fair few 600 riders here thinking they were going to be stars when they jumped onto a 1000 - they looked at the spec sheets and thought "Wow, the thou makes much more power and only weighs a little more, I'm going to kill it! Then they find out what all that extra power and rotating mass does for a bikes handling - and proceed to launch themselves into the outer stratosphere on a regular basis.

Good points made regarding set up etc.

I had a hotted up RG400, and spent lots of time on my mates RG500 and raced a RG500 once. You are right, they were more racer like than the RZ500, being lighter and having more razor like powerband. HP wise they were only about 10hp apart. And what a difference that made!! Now add 70-80 HP more and take away another 25 kg's to get to GP500 level - and that my friend is another planet entirely.


Maybe you need to brush up on basic English. As is an It could not be any clearer.

So where is this "proof" Slight raced a KR250 in NZ 250 production? Pucker up sweet cheeks :lol:
If only your fact finding skills matched your super ninja multi quoting skills! :devil2:

[J.A.W.]

I had a hotted up RG400, and spent lots of time on my mates RG500 and raced a RG500 once. You are right, they were more racer like than the RZ500, being lighter and having more razor like powerband. HP wise they were only about 10hp apart. And what a difference that made!! Now add 70-80 HP more and take away another 25 kg's to get to GP500 level - and that my friend is another planet entirely.

"Another planet entirely"?

Nah, 'On steroids' - maybe, or as Jake-the-muss would say, benefitting from "..enough speedwork"..

APE is Formula Ford compared to Formula 1 cars..


(basic concept-wise, I mean, since, obviously - a full factory bike is quite a bit nicer than a customer racer, & considerably moreso than any showroom proddy 'race-rep'..)

Back in `94, Sport Rider mag tested a ( 211lb dry) customer race ( Rotax powered) Aprilia RS 250,
& being Yanks, they naturally - took it down the strip, recording a 10.91 @ 130.4mph 1/4 mile.. not too shabby..


But if you did want to compare lap times.. Simmo's quickest ever 250 GP lap of P.Is. was a 1:32, ( back in 2008, & still quicker than the Moto 2s!),
& 'bout 12 secs quicker than the ( Suzuki powered) Aprilia RS 250 race-rep - proddy bike - record..

[husaberg]

Lap times are not really a indication of what different class bikes are actually like to ride. Both 250 and 500 strokers were very different to ride, both would launch a rider into space if they could - the 500's much more so.
I remember a fair few 600 riders here thinking they were going to be stars when they jumped onto a 1000 - they looked at the spec sheets and thought "Wow, the thou makes much more power and only weighs a little more, I'm going to kill it! Then they find out what all that extra power and rotating mass does for a bikes handling - and proceed to launch themselves into the outer stratosphere on a regular basis.

Good points made regarding set up etc.

I had a hotted up RG400, and spent lots of time on my mates RG500 and raced a RG500 once. You are right, they were more racer like than the RZ500, being lighter and having more razor like powerband. HP wise they were only about 10hp apart. And what a difference that made!! Now add 70-80 HP more and take away another 25 kg's to get to GP500 level - and that my friend is another planet entirely.

So where is this "proof" Slight raced a KR250 in NZ 250 production? Pucker up sweet cheeks :lol:
If only your fact finding skills matched your super ninja multi quoting skills! :devil2:

Apples with apples in 1984 what GP500 bike had more than 140HP. Answer is none of them did. The Yamaha only had 130
Dynos show completely stock RZ500 (which was certainly milder than a RG500) had 80 HP at the rear wheel.
Last time I used a calculator that is 50HP difference. Not 70-80 HP. it was quite a few years later until the 500 Gp bikes Obtained that sort of HP. It was also about that time the minimum weight were raised for the 500's.
This is for a stock standard road bike. Of the two the RG500 was obviously the higher spec more faithful to GP design with a higher HP potential.

As for the proof I haven't found the mag. Yet. but I will post it when I find it. I can pretty safely say the year was 1984 though and the mag was the other one not Kiwi rider they merged a few years later, it was called ........news I think.
I have it somewhere as I had previously posted the results of the race at Sydenham that year around the houses. The people in CHCH will remember that was the year they ran the GP there.




And those that are saying 2T dirt bikes, and production based 2T road bikes prepares one for a 500gp bike is like saying your good to go on a superbike after competing on a production based 300cc 4 stroke. Hilarious.
Perhaps you could name the rider that won a 500CC world championsip between 1983 and 1998 that did not have dirt track experience because I can't think of a single one.
Spencer
Lawson
Gardner
Rainey
Swantz
Doohan
That's a bloody big huge co-incidence that all the champions for 15 consecutive years. The common denominator is every single one of them had extensive dirt track experience.
At least 3 of them proddy raced a RG500 or a RZ500 as well to boot.
All them bar Doohan and Swantz also raced 250GP bikes at National level.

[Autech]

If you check the quickest laps recorded for G.P. 250s & 500s at Phillip Is.. you will see they are very close.. & not a "far cry".

The need for the rider & tuner/mechanics to correctly set up multiples of 125cc cylinders, pipes, carbs,/gear ratios & etc..
is a "far cry" from say, Moto 2 - now, though..

A nice sealed crate Honda engine would do that to ya.
If you look back on this thread there have multiple instances of us talking about how the Moto2 class whilst good in theory hasn't brought about the revolution to motocycle design it was once hoped it would. The teams are going with the tried and tested chassis options with nothing to revolutionary in their shape and design as who want to take a risk for a year and have a rider circulating in 30th place?
It is a shame as I'm sure there are some great minds out there with some excellent ideas. Not me though, I'm a mediocre mind on the best of days.


Lap times are not really a indication of what different class bikes are actually like to ride. Both 250 and 500 strokers were very different to ride, both would launch a rider into space if they could - the 500's much more so.
I remember a fair few 600 riders here thinking they were going to be stars when they jumped onto a 1000 - they looked at the spec sheets and thought "Wow, the thou makes much more power and only weighs a little more, I'm going to kill it! Then they find out what all that extra power and rotating mass does for a bikes handling - and proceed to launch themselves into the outer stratosphere on a regular basis.


I've come close to launching myself on a 59hp (in theory) bike a couple of times, I better stay of the old 2strokes for now!

[sugilite]

As for the proof I haven't found the mag. Yet. but I will post it when I find it. I can pretty safely say the year was 1984
I do not fancy your safety margin there buddy lol


Perhaps you could name the rider that won a 500CC world championsip between 1983 and 1998 that did not have dirt track experience because I can't think of a single one.
Spencer
Lawson
Gardner
Rainey
Swantz
Doohan
That's a bloody big huge co-incidence that all the champions for 15 consecutive years. The common denominator is every single one of them had extensive dirt track experience.

Ummm, how many of those riders ran 2T in those national dirt bike champs sport?
Using your logic, any motorcycle you can name "prepares you" for a 500 GP bike. :rolleyes:

[J.A.W.]

Ummm, did you forget the part about 2-stroke road race set-up?
Y'know, learning the feel & ability to give feedback on tuning/gearing stuff?

Not so much from giant porky 4T 4's that would directly translate.. by comparison..

[sugilite]

Ummm, did you forget the part about 2-stroke road race set-up?
Y'know, learning the feel & ability to give feedback on tuning/gearing stuff?

Not so much from giant porky 4T 4's that would directly translate.. by comparison..

If you are talking to me, I have no quibble with 250 gp having helped get a rider ready for 500GP.

I just take issue with proddie based 2T road bikes and dirt bikes. Pretty much any dirt bike will do.
I'm actually a 2T nut. I have a KX500 after all. I would of loved to have raced a 250 GP bike, but my 6'6 frame did not like that much haha. Do I regret selling my RG's and RZ500? Hell yes.

[J.A.W.]

If you are talking to me, I have no quibble with 250 gp having helped get a rider ready for 500GP.

I just take issue with proddie based 2T road bikes and dirt bikes. Pretty much any dirt bike will do.
I'm actually a 2T nut. I have a KX500 after all. I would of loved to have raced a 250 GP bike, but my 6'6 frame did not like that much haha. Do I regret selling my RG's and RZ500? Hell yes.


Well, you & I both know that in general the bigger the capacity, the less the specific output, the less fussy the set-up,
& the less critical the tune.. especially for 2Ts..

But real hi-peformance ~125cc sized cylinders, dirt or track, pukka or proddy, do need proper/accurate fettling/setting-up,
& in competition, full-on World Champs, or in local track use, the winners are usually - those who do it best..
..& they likely learned that craft early on.( or used to)..

[gav]

No sign of any early Kawasakis in this for Aaron Slight

http://memim.com/aaron-slight.html

Sporting successes
New Zealand 250 cc Championship: First race and first win for Yamaha - Distance: Manfeild, New Zealand
New Zealand 250 cc Championship: Champion on Yamaha
Australian Superbike Championship: 3rd place in Kawasaki
Superbike World Championship: 2nd place in the wildcard use on the track Manfeild, New Zealand
WSBK: 3rd place at the wildcard use on the track Manfield, New Zealand
Australian Superbike Championship: Champion on Kawasaki
Pan - Pacific Superbike Championship: Champion on Kawasaki
WSBK: 3rd place in each wildcard inserts on the track Sugo, Japan and Manfeild, New Zealand
WSBK: 6th place in Kawasaki, 249 points (1 wins, 6 podiums, 4 fastest laps )
WSBK: 3rd place in Kawasaki, 316 points ( 1 wins, 10 podiums, 2 pole positions, two fastest laps )
8- hour race at Suzuka: winner Scott Russell on Kawasaki ZXR -7
WSBK: 3rd place at Honda, 277 points (10 stages )
8- hour race at Suzuka: Winner with Doug Polen on Honda RVF 750 RC45
WSBK: 3rd place at Honda, 323 points (2 wins, 11 podiums, 2 pole positions, two fastest laps )
8- hour race at Suzuka: Winner with Tadayuki Okada on the Honda RVF 750 RC45
Superbike World Championship: 2nd place on Honda 347 points ( 1 wins, 13 podiums, 4 fastest laps )
WSBK: 3rd place at Honda, 343 points (3 wins, 11 podiums, 1 pole positions, 1 fastest lap )
Superbike World Championship: 2nd place at Honda, 347 points (5 wins, 10 podiums, 2 pole positions, eight fastest laps )
WSBK: 4th place at Honda, 323 points (12 podiums, 1 pole positions, two fastest laps )
WSBK: 8th place at Honda, 153 points

[husaberg]

No sign of any early Kawasakis in this for Aaron Slight

http://memim.com/aaron-slight.html

Sporting successes
New Zealand 250 cc Championship: First race and first win for Yamaha - Distance: Manfeild, New Zealand
New Zealand 250 cc Championship: Champion on Yamaha
Australian Superbike Championship: 3rd place in Kawasaki
Superbike World Championship: 2nd place in the wildcard use on the track Manfeild, New Zealand
WSBK: 3rd place at the wildcard use on the track Manfield, New Zealand
Australian Superbike Championship: Champion on Kawasaki
Pan - Pacific Superbike Championship: Champion on Kawasaki
WSBK: 3rd place in each wildcard inserts on the track Sugo, Japan and Manfeild, New Zealand
WSBK: 6th place in Kawasaki, 249 points (1 wins, 6 podiums, 4 fastest laps )
WSBK: 3rd place in Kawasaki, 316 points ( 1 wins, 10 podiums, 2 pole positions, two fastest laps )
8- hour race at Suzuka: winner Scott Russell on Kawasaki ZXR -7
WSBK: 3rd place at Honda, 277 points (10 stages )
8- hour race at Suzuka: Winner with Doug Polen on Honda RVF 750 RC45
WSBK: 3rd place at Honda, 323 points (2 wins, 11 podiums, 2 pole positions, two fastest laps )
8- hour race at Suzuka: Winner with Tadayuki Okada on the Honda RVF 750 RC45
Superbike World Championship: 2nd place on Honda 347 points ( 1 wins, 13 podiums, 4 fastest laps )
WSBK: 3rd place at Honda, 343 points (3 wins, 11 podiums, 1 pole positions, 1 fastest lap )
Superbike World Championship: 2nd place at Honda, 347 points (5 wins, 10 podiums, 2 pole positions, eight fastest laps )
WSBK: 4th place at Honda, 323 points (12 podiums, 1 pole positions, two fastest laps )
WSBK: 8th place at Honda, 153 points

Correct, but as far as i'm aware Aaron won three national 250 titles I doesn't mention that there either?


I do not fancy your safety margin there buddy lol


Ummm, how many of those riders ran 2T in those national dirt bike champs sport?
Using your logic, any motorcycle you can name "prepares you" for a 500 GP bike. :rolleyes:

Conversely where is your proof that all of his titles were on a Yamaha.
Out of those pretty much all of them. In case you are unaware they all pretty much had to ride the two strokes as juniors.
Gardner and Doohan and Swantz likely never raced any other sort of bike other than a two stroke up until superbikes
Therefore you original assertion was again wrong.
Just as your assertion to what Pete said was also wrong

[J.A.W.]

Slighty is listed as a KR 250 rider here,
- but on the factory G.P. bike.. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/kr250.htm

[gav]

Slighty is listed as a KR 250 rider here,
- but on the factory G.P. bike.. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/kr250.htm
Yes, in 1992, when he was a factory Kawasaki rider.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe you need to brush up on basic English. As is an It could not be any clearer.

Weird how I didn't know what an H1R was eh? Oh yeah...you REALLY got ne there mate!~ I mean fuck me...what did I say..."an H1R is what...about 80hp?",,,and yet I didn't know what one was right? Riiiiight. I thought I'd dig the very same model recognition manual out I was made to know page by page back when I did my first tour of duty at Boyle Kawasaki. John and Mark wouldn't let me serve customers until I knew every single bike in that fucking book. It's still in pretty much the same condition today as it was back then.

Fuck me dead then...would you look at this!!!!

315423315424

What an incredible coincidence! Not only did I remember/know what one was...I knew exactly how much fucking HP Kawasaki claimed in the day. 80 fucking HP knobface. So...I'll make it simple for you...to me (maybe not to you, but I don't give s shit waht you think), a poxy old 80hp wire wheeled drum braked H1R is nothing like a far more abvanced four cyl, liquid cooled disc braked RGV or similar. Just like a Manx Norton was nothing like one. But hey...they were the 500cc GP bike of the time you know!!! So fucking what??? They're NOTHING LIKE AN RGV500. As I also said...apart from being a 500cc two stroke...they share nothing. Do you get it you thick bastard?

Fuck we had a good laugh about you at work today. As Mark said today..."if you'd forgotten what an H1R is, I'd sack ya". You just stick yo uncle google...and leave the facts to those of us that've actually been there and done it a bit eh? Or have at least mingled with those that really did it. Look up Dicky Lawton one day Sonny. You'll maybe find out the shop I did my time at at the very beginning has a very rich history of 500cc grand prix racing and tuning. You may also find that knowledge has been passed on through the years and generations that are still there now.

Right down to the KR1SP's we built and I raced. AFTER Aaron Slight and his RZ250 Yamaha's were well gone.

Night night Mr Google. Oh, and ask ya boyfriend why it is that Croz's book cover has him astride a Z1R based superbike rather than an H1R?

Dickheads...both of ya.

Sorry everyone else. That's my last rant to these two retards.

As you were.

[husaberg]

Slighty is listed as a KR 250 rider here,
- but on the factory G.P. bike.. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/kr250.htm

Many many years later and it was a v twin.;)

[husaberg]

Weird how I didn't know what an H1R was eh? Oh yeah...you REALLY got ne there mate!~ I mean fuck me...what did I say..."an H1R is what...about 80hp?",,,and yet I didn't know what one was right? Riiiiight. I thought I'd dig the very same model recognition manual out I was made to know page by page back when I did my first tour of duty at Boyle Kawasaki. John and Mark wouldn't let me serve customers until I knew every single bike in that fucking book. It's still in pretty much the same condition today as it was back then.

Fuck me dead then...would you look at this!!!!

315423315424

What an incredible coincidence! Not only did I remember/know what one was...I knew exactly how much fucking HP Kawasaki claimed in the day. 80 fucking HP knobface. So...I'll make it simple for you...to me (maybe not to you, but I don't give s shit waht you think), a poxy old 80hp wire wheeled drum braked H1R is nothing like a far more abvanced four cyl, liquid cooled disc braked RGV or similar. Just like a Manx Norton was nothing like one. But hey...they were the 500cc GP bike of the time you know!!! So fucking what??? They're NOTHING LIKE AN RGV500. As I also said...apart from being a 500cc two stroke...they share nothing. Do you get it you thick bastard?

Fuck we had a good laugh about you at work today. As Mark said today..."if you'd forgotten what an H1R is, I'd sack ya". You just stick yo uncle google...and leave the facts to those of us that've actually been there and done it a bit eh? Or have at least mingled with those that really did it. Look up Dicky Lawton one day Sonny. You'll maybe find out the shop I did my time at at the very beginning has a very rich history of 500cc grand prix racing and tuning. You may also find that knowledge has been passed on through the years and generations that are still there now.

Right down to the KR1SP's we built and I raced. AFTER Aaron Slight and his RZ250 Yamaha's were well gone.

Night night Mr Google. Oh, and ask ya boyfriend why it is that Croz's book cover has him astride a Z1R based superbike rather than an H1R?

Dickheads...both of ya.

Sorry everyone else. That's my last rant to these two retards.

As you were.
Again apples with apples
1 As the original discussion was about Croz why the sudden need to bring a RGV500 into the comparison. As a RGV500's didn't come until many years after Croz had retired from GP racing. Pete, Croz rode a works RG500 then a works Yam 500. likely less than 120hp
2 your lovely little book covers one model of H1r not all models. it is also as delivered Now what race bike stay std for 5 years.................


So again you have got it wrong. RGV500 laughing my head of at you again pete.
Why don't you Tell them at work you said that as well.

The only Lawton I know about with racing is Syd the Macchi guy.
You were the one who said that a H1r is nothing like a 500GP bike, I am picking you never mentioned that at work now did you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

blah blah blah blah...I got owned...blah blah.

Do some home work one night retard. You may just find out Dicky Lawton sent 500 Suzuki 2 strokes tuned at the very shop I'm back at...to Daytona and beat up on the factory bikes. But hey, I didn't even know what an H1R was right/ So is a Manx Norton like an RGB500? They ARE both 500 GP bikes?

Broken my promise all ready.

Last time. You really do think you're smarter than you obviously are. Not very.

[J.A.W.]

Weird how I didn't know what an H1R was eh?

Dickheads...both of ya. That's my last rant to these two retards.



Promises, Promises..( broken already, natch..)

Go & bloody read Croz on the bloody subject, Peter Perfect..

The finicky/carefully tailored tune pre-race set up - de rigueur for the 2-stroke H1R G.P. 500 - was also needful with the 2-stroke RG G.P. 500, genius..
& for the Z1.. nah, not so much..

[Shaun Harris]

Weird how I didn't know what an H1R was eh? Oh yeah...you REALLY got ne there mate!~ I mean fuck me...what did I say..."an H1R is what...about 80hp?",,,and yet I didn't know what one was right? Riiiiight. I thought I'd dig the very same model recognition manual out I was made to know page by page back when I did my first tour of duty at Boyle Kawasaki. John and Mark wouldn't let me serve customers until I knew every single bike in that fucking book. It's still in pretty much the same condition today as it was back then.

Fuck me dead then...would you look at this!!!!

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What an incredible coincidence! Not only did I remember/know what one was...I knew exactly how much fucking HP Kawasaki claimed in the day. 80 fucking HP knobface. So...I'll make it simple for you...to me (maybe not to you, but I don't give s shit waht you think), a poxy old 80hp wire wheeled drum braked H1R is nothing like a far more abvanced four cyl, liquid cooled disc braked RGV or similar. Just like a Manx Norton was nothing like one. But hey...they were the 500cc GP bike of the time you know!!! So fucking what??? They're NOTHING LIKE AN RGV500. As I also said...apart from being a 500cc two stroke...they share nothing. Do you get it you thick bastard?

Fuck we had a good laugh about you at work today. As Mark said today..."if you'd forgotten what an H1R is, I'd sack ya". You just stick yo uncle google...and leave the facts to those of us that've actually been there and done it a bit eh? Or have at least mingled with those that really did it. Look up Dicky Lawton one day Sonny. You'll maybe find out the shop I did my time at at the very beginning has a very rich history of 500cc grand prix racing and tuning. You may also find that knowledge has been passed on through the years and generations that are still there now.

Right down to the KR1SP's we built and I raced. AFTER Aaron Slight and his RZ250 Yamaha's were well gone.

Night night Mr Google. Oh, and ask ya boyfriend why it is that Croz's book cover has him astride a Z1R based superbike rather than an H1R?

Dickheads...both of ya.

Sorry everyone else. That's my last rant to these two retards.

As you were.




Ha Fukin ha. Gotta buy you a few beers one day man

[husaberg]

Do some home work one night retard. You may just find out Dicky Lawton sent 500 Suzuki 2 strokes tuned at the very shop I'm back at...to Daytona and beat up on the factory bikes. But hey, I didn't even know what an H1R was right/ So is a Manx Norton like an RGB500? They ARE both 500 GP bikes?

Broken my promise all ready.

Last time. You really do think you're smarter than you obviously are. Not very.

You clearly wrote RGV500 Pete. I will say it again you very clearly wrote RGV500.
Re the H1R While you may have known what one was. It is not what you typed now is it. You inferred A h1R was not a like a 500cc 2 stroke GP bike. When not only is it like one. It is one.
As for the 30M we were not talking about those now were we. Why the sudden need to constantly change your original point of reference.

[sugilite]

Correct, but as far as i'm aware Aaron won three national 250 titles I doesn't mention that there either?

Conversely where is your proof that all of his titles were on a Yamaha.

So NOW you reckon Aaron stayed around in NZ to race 3 years on 250's :facepalm:
I remember him winning one title, then doing a year on a FZ750, then a year on the FZR1000. Then moving on to overseas racing. So 84 street racing, 85 250 title, 86 FZ750, 88 Fzr1000 and some time in 89 off on the start of his overseas career - So yeah, one title - hmmm, just like those stats said. Go figure :lol:
Oh NO STOP THE PRESS Aaron slight had a alternate reality machine and leaped sideways to give him time to win another 2 titles on 250's as well as ride a KR250 proddie bike.
Your a joke dude, stop it your killing me :brick:

[Crasherfromwayback]

You clearly wrote RGV500 Pete I will say it again you very clearly wrote RGV500.
Re the H1R While you may have known what one was. It is not what you typed now is it. You inferred that it was not a like a 500cc 2 stroke GP bike. When not only is it like one. It is one.
As for the 30M we were not talking about those now were we. Why the sudden need to constantly change your original point of reference.

Lolololol...oh sorry! I'm sure you'll notice much earlier on I referred to the original as an RGB or RG500 clown. I'm merely trying to type too fast and things get a bit muddled. Or maybe...MAYBE...I don't know the difference between an RGB500 and an RGV500? Just like an H1R eh mate? You're pathetic as well as stupid. Lucky I also know what a tandem twin KR250 is though. Something you're yet to learn. Keep trying though...you're looking dummer by the post.

[Crasherfromwayback]

KR250 proddie bike.
Your a joke dude, stop it your killing me :brick:

Shooting fish in a barrel eh mate!

[husaberg]

So NOW you reckon Aaron stayed around in NZ to race 3 years on 250's :facepalm:
I remember him winning one title, then doing a year on a FZ750, then a year on the FZR1000. Then moving on to overseas racing. So 84 street racing, 85 250 title, 86 FZ750, 88 Fzr1000 and some time in 89 off on the start of his overseas career - So yeah, one title - hmmm, just like those stats said. Go figure :lol:
Oh NO STOP THE PRESS Aaron slight had a alternate reality machine and leaped sideways to give him time to win another 2 titles on 250's as well as ride a KR250 proddie bike.
Your a joke dude, stop it your killing me :brick:
Pardon


Aaron Tony Slight was born January 19, 1966 in Masterton, New Zealand.
Aaron Slight started his biking career back in 1984, his first win coming at Manfield on a 250cc, and he won the 250 New Zealand titles for the following three years.
https://mbasic.facebook.com/profile.php?v=info&expand=1&nearby&id=43191883519

[Crasherfromwayback]

The finicky/carefully tailored tune pre-race set up - de rigueur for the 2-stroke H1R G.P. 500 - was also needful with the 2-stroke RG G.P. 500, genius..
& for the Z1.. nah, not so much..

I know a wee bit about two stroke setup. Won a national title against some pretty handy opposition on one. Didn't get me ready for a 500gp bike though. Neither did my Z1RTC...you know...three times more power than the flexi wee frame or brakes could handle.

[J.A.W.]

Were you - ever - ready for a 500 G.P. bike?

You might've had a bit of a clue about a safe tune set-up, even if you couldn't ride it hard..

[husaberg]

Lolololol...oh sorry! I'm sure you'll notice much earlier on I referred to the original as an RGB or RG500 clown. I'm merely trying to type too fast and things get a bit muddled. Or maybe...MAYBE...I don't know the difference between an RGB500 and an RGV500? Just like an H1R eh mate? You're pathetic as well as stupid. Lucky I also know what a tandem twin KR250 is though. Something you're yet to learn. Keep trying though...you're looking dummer by the post.
I can't change what you type. You are the one who keeps typing the stupid comparisons.
Have a look at one of my albums Pete.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4840&page=3

Or this gee I never even knew what A Kr250 road bike looked like and until you educated me Pete. so thank you heaps You are such a great teacher you can turn back time.:laugh:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner?p=1130134255#post1130134255

[sugilite]

Have a look at my album Pete.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4840&page=3

Or this gee I never even knew what one looked like and until you educated me Pete
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner?p=1130134255#post1130134255

Bugger, I was hoping to see a photo of Aaron on a KR250 proddie bike with his 3 250 proddie championship trophies in the background. :shifty:

[Madness]

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http://pikof.com/di/E358/its-time-to-stop-posting.jpg

[husaberg]

Bugger, I was hoping to see a photo of Aaron on a KR250 proddie bike with his 3 250 proddie championship trophies in the background. :shifty:

I m pretty sure you wouldn't have a clue what you were looking at.
How many national 250 titles did you say he won again.

[Shaun Harris]

Fuk, this has become as pathetic as me an Drew bickering was and did--- NOT the people on it that do know what they are talking about, without relying on missinformed Googlee searches etc-

Best way to get rid of TROLLS is to NOT reply to them at all- Just let them feel intelligent and smart and do NOT reply to any thing they say at all, Eventually they will melt away-- Hahaha, Me of all people trying to get people to stay calm on the internet LOL< That does deserve a large Original MILO! Especially after last night and a few drinks with a mate I first met when I was 4, so 47 years ago now, and we have not seen each other in 2 years, so it was a late one.

[gav]

Pardon


Aaron Tony Slight was born January 19, 1966 in Masterton, New Zealand.
Aaron Slight started his biking career back in 1984, his first win coming at Manfield on a 250cc, and he won the 250 New Zealand titles for the following three years.
https://mbasic.facebook.com/profile.php?v=info&expand=1&nearby&id=43191883519

But wait, which title was on the KR250? :no:
You are both right, like most the guys racing then, they rode a 250 proddy and a big bike, Slight on the Yamahas, Toomey and Holden etc on Suzukis. Slight cleaned up on the TZR250 for years.

[Shaun Harris]

But wait, which title was on the KR250? :no:
You are both right, like most the guys racing then, they rode a 250 proddy and a big bike, Slight on the Yamahas, Toomey and Holden etc on Suzukis. Slight cleaned up on the TZR250 for years.



What was Slight's team mate name who was new to road racing and VERY FUKIN FAST instantly, but Lost his life sadly in a crash on his 250. He was gunna kill the world I reckon if if if if if

[sugilite]

I m pretty sure you wouldn't have a clue what you were looking at.
How many national 250 titles did you say he won again.
2 stoke motors - wow.
I said he won one 250 title.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What was Slight's team mate name who was new to road racing and VERY FUKIN FAST instantly, but Lost his life sadly in a crash on his 250. He was gunna kill the world I reckon if if if if if

Nah, I think you're thinking of Peter Blackwood. Gregory Yamaha gave his race bikes to Slighty after he was killed. He was killed racing a dirt track event in the Wairarapa...was Slightys very good mate too. Was a really dusty event, he went down at the front and was collected from another rider that couldn't see him. Check with Husaloser though eh. He'll google it for ya.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Were you - ever - ready for a 500 G.P. bike?

You might've had a bit of a clue about a safe tune set-up, even if you couldn't ride it hard..

Never know will I?

And you've gotta be able to ride one reasonably hard to beat some of the people I beat to win it. But what would you know? Google doesn't teach you how to ride a bike.

[Shaun Harris]

Nah, I think you're thinking of Peter Blackwood. Gregory Yamaha gave his race bikes to Slighty after he was killed. He was killed racing a dirt track event in the Wairarapa...was Slightys very good mate too. Was a really dusty event, he went down at the front and was collected from another rider that couldn't see him. Check with Husaloser though eh. He'll google it for ya.



Peter Yes. I am sure I saw him riding at Puke one year? But we all know my head is well fucked up and full of shit only anyway. Hey, I wonder if some Troll or his sack carrier are going to start talking about there Air force plane flying skills, or there test riding work for factory teams on the 500's eh. yep, th shit coming out in this thread, is just as bad as some of his old stuff on here

[gav]

So NOW you reckon Aaron stayed around in NZ to race 3 years on 250's :facepalm:
I remember him winning one title, then doing a year on a FZ750, then a year on the FZR1000. Then moving on to overseas racing. So 84 street racing, 85 250 title, 86 FZ750, 88 Fzr1000 and some time in 89 off on the start of his overseas career - So yeah, one title - hmmm, just like those stats said. Go figure :lol:
Oh NO STOP THE PRESS Aaron slight had a alternate reality machine and leaped sideways to give him time to win another 2 titles on 250's as well as ride a KR250 proddie bike.
Your a joke dude, stop it your killing me :brick:
Slight raced a TZR250 proddy alongside the FZ750 and FZR1000, mustve been good prize money in those days :jerry:

[J.A.W.]

Shooting fish in a barrel eh mate!

& Crasherswayback sinks himself..
..like a would-be bitey shark that's had a ginsu job on 'is fins & then bin booted back overboard, as otherwise useless..

Flipppin & a thrashing.. dont help no more.. floundering.. on.. down.. deep.. you.. go..
..trailing your sad squirt of distressed faecal discharge behind.. awww..

[Shaun Harris]

Slight raced a TZR250 proddy alongside the FZ750 and FZR1000, mustve been good prize money in those days :jerry:

Was, and especially at Wanganui. I peeked there one year at $2200-00 riding 3 bikes for a day of fun

[J.A.W.]

Was, and especially at Wanganui. I peeked there one year at $2200-00 riding 3 bikes for a day of fun

"Peeked...at 2,200.00"? Too bad you didn't ride seriously, you might've won some of it.. L.O.L...

[J.A.W.]

Never know will I?

And you've gotta be able to ride one reasonably hard to beat some of the people I beat to win it. But what would you know? Google doesn't teach you how to ride a bike.

I know enough to realize you'd be unlikely to given a decent late period factory 500 G.P. bike to have a real go on (race) either..
.. even Slighty never got that gig..

[Crasherfromwayback]

I know enough to realize you'd be unlikely to given a decent late period factory 500 G.P. bike to have a real go on (race) either..
.. even Slighty never got that gig..

Of course not.

But again..you'd be wrong there. Slighty has indeed raced 500cc gp bikes. Edit...pretty sure HRC let him race the season ending race of champions at Sugo on the NSR.

[J.A.W.]

Of course not.

But again..you'd be wrong there. Slighty has indeed raced 500cc gp bikes.

Got proof? Was it a KR 500? Or an H1R? L.O.L...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Got proof? Was it a KR 500? L.O.L...

Nah...that was Kork Ballington and Steddie Eddie! But nah...I'm pretty sure HRC let him race an NSR at the season ending race of champions at Sugo? I thought so anyway. Maybe that was on diesels.

[gav]

This is a well discussed topic.if you were mr Honda who would you pick? Dani is fast and consistent. He wont tske points of mm but is capable of blitzing every body in the feild.look at his motogp record,he is a perfect #2
And my view of the incident is miller was never in front of cc whilst still in control of his motorcycle

Who would Mr Honda look at to replace Dani?

This guy ..... Maverick Vinales

http://media.crash.net/original/PA1625387.0008.jpg

[gav]

Nah...that was Kork Ballington and Steddie Eddie! But nah...I'm pretty sure HRC let him race an NSR at the season ending race of champions at Sugo? I thought so anyway. Maybe that was on diesels.
I know he had a full day test on a NSR500 at Philip Island as reward for winning the 8 hour maybe.
Mick Doohan turned up to see how he was going and gave him some tips etc.
Mick took Aarons Superbike out and did like 5 laps and lapped faster than Slight ever had, oooppps :laugh:

[J.A.W.]

I know he had a full day test on a NSR500 at Philip Island as reward for winning the 8 hour maybe.
Mick Doohan turned up to see how he was going and gave him some tips etc.
Mick took Aarons Superbike out and did like 5 laps and lapped faster than Slight ever had, oooppps :laugh:

Cruel, but fair.. & typical Mick.. Slighty lacked his 'killer' ah.. instincts.. World Champ score 5-0..

[Crasherfromwayback]

I know he had a full day test on a NSR500 at Philip Island as reward for winning the 8 hour maybe.
Mick Doohan turned up to see how he was going and gave him some tips etc.
Mick took Aarons Superbike out and did like 5 laps and lapped faster than Slight ever had, oooppps :laugh:

That may be me crossed wires! What was the end of season all in (moto gp and superbike riders) gig at Sugo? Was it even at Sugo? Isn't Sugo a Yamaha owned track?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who would Mr Honda look at to replace Dani?

This guy ..... Maverick Vinales



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