MotoGP 2015

[carbonhed]

the "chess master" just kicked the board over

[Pumba]

Did he kick, or did his foot come off?
Hard to tell....

If he didn't he may as well have

[Pumba]

Anyone know where I might be able to find video of this press conference they ate referring to?

[carbonhed]

Motogp.com?

What's your thoughts on the penalty/no penalty?

[Autech]

He kicked...


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[carbonhed]

Calling Mike Web! Kiwi in control.

[Pumba]

Motogp.com?

What's your thoughts on the penalty/no penalty?

Didn't bother with MGP because most of the video is hidden behind the paywall.

How can they not dq him?

[Autech]

Meanwhile Dani Pedrosa is fucking killing it! My man! More wine!


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[WNJ]

I watching free on from hot.com

[Autech]

Oh and Bradl in 10th! Aprilia in the mix!


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[carbonhed]

Pedrosa and Lorenzo have no clue :laugh:

I wonder what kind of reception Flossi will get in parc ferme. I'd boo the cunt and wave my handbag.

[seymour14]

Marquez hits Rossi from behind and gets a kick for his troubles.

I call it payback.

[carbonhed]

Brilliant first lap and a corner by Lorenzo. Class act.

[Autech]

Ice cold!!! Rossi!!!


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[carbonhed]

Big sunglasses and no eye contact in the interview with Flossi. A very guilty man.

[Pumba]

He didn't sound like he believed the story he was spinning

[carbonhed]

Rossi's fanclub as graceless as ever on the podium.

[Drew]

He didn't expect Marquez to crash, but he pushed him out on purpose. Even admitted it.

There was no kick though, his foot came off the peg when they touched.

[boman]

Interesting...

[Pumba]

Why did Lorenzo storm off? The booing surly wasn't directed at him?

[Autech]

Why did Lorenzo storm off? The booing surly wasn't directed at him?

It was


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[Maha]

He didn't expect Marquez to crash, but he pushed him out on purpose. Even admitted it.

There was no kick though, his foot came off the peg when they touched.

Yeah his left foot came off several times moments prior to the ''incident''.

Quite a boring race after that.

[carbonhed]

Of course it was directed at Lorenzo.

[Autech]

Yeah his left foot came off several times moments prior to the ''incident''.

Quite a boring race after that.

If you call boring Pedrosa riding a bike that aggressive to victory. Yup.


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[Pumba]

It was


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Of course it was directed at Lorenzo.

I can't keep up.....,

[Maha]

If you call boring Pedrosa riding a bike that aggressive to victory. Yup.


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That's what they do, but 12 + seconds separating 1-2-3 for half the race = boring. I managed to stay awake though.

[carbonhed]

I can't keep up.....,

More wine dude!

[carbonhed]

When you think about it all this shitfight started because of Rossi's big mouth on Thursday. What a fucking massive cockup. Tactical genius my arse.

[wayne]

anyone tell me why mr Markquez was celebrating once his son fell off ?

[Berries]

anyone tell me why mr Markquez was celebrating once his son fell off ?
Cos it was the best dive outside the English premier league?

[carbonhed]

anyone tell me why mr Markquez was celebrating once his son fell off ?

That's really what you saw? :laugh:

[Maha]

When you think about it all this shitfight started because of Rossi's big mouth on Thursday. What a fucking massive cockup. Tactical genius my arse.

Missed all that, but just read it, Marquez seems a little precious.

Getting all pissed and shit at what someone says, does he have a KB login ya think?

Article --> http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/23/rossi-marquez-would-prefer-lorenzo-to-win/187955

[puddytat]

No doubt in my mind that Rossi pushed Marquez wide, but it looked to me that it was Marques who proceeded to turn in on Rossi, which made him crash.

[husaberg]

Brilliant first lap and a corner by Lorenzo. Class act.

That was a awesome pass. I will say that.

The scrap prior to the er.....Nerfing?, was epic, there was plenty of contact prior to the last incident also.
Is a wait and see as more me as i haven't finished watching the recording re race control for me.
For me the looks behind from Rossi were in response to the taps and a you are kidding me there is no room there fella. But then again I am a Rossi fan.
Rossi had the line, it was his. There is no rules to say he has to make room for another rider. that said he did appear to be drifting wide and slow, but that's his prerogative.
The Suzukis did very well, but the Ducatis dropping out helped that a fair bit.

Interestingly enough I took control of the telly and that battle alone has converted son and misses to MGP fans.

[Berries]

No doubt in my mind that Rossi pushed Marquez wide, but it looked to me that it was Marques who proceeded to turn in on Rossi, which made him crash.
That's what I thought I saw as well.

[pritch]

More wine dude!

i like the way you think - about 🍷 anyway. :innocent:

[carbonhed]

That was a awesome pass. I will say that.

The scrap prior to the er.....Nerfing?, was epic, there was plenty of contact prior to the last incident also.
Is a wait and see as more me as i haven't finished watching the recording re race control for me.
The Suzukis did very well, but the Ducatis dropping out helped that a fair bit.

Interestingly enough I took control of the telly and that battle alone has converted son and misses to MGP fans.

Oh well. Plusses and minuses then. And hopefully no fights for the remote control in future.

Yeah it was a great battle. No quarter given... until it got stupid.

Great race by Pedrosa... before I forget in all the excitement.

And AWSESOME race for Bradley Smith... that's just for crasher :bleh:

[carbonhed]

i like the way you think - about 🍷 anyway. :innocent:

A cheeky little Spanish red for me. Tempranillo from Rioja... in honour of Jorge Lorenzo and the two other Spanish aliens who will be highly motivated come Valencia :lol:

Nice work Vale.

[husaberg]

Oh well. Plusses and minuses then. And hopefully no fights for the remote control in future.

Yeah it was a great battle. No quarter given... until it got stupid.

Great race by Pedrosa... before I forget in all the excitement.

And AWSESOME race for Bradley Smith... that's just for crasher :bleh:

I added a bit more to my post for the "NON ROSSI" FANS
It will be very very interesting.
Rossi had signalled a few times that a shitfight for 3rd was silly Marqsueeze I guess wanted to a prove a point about something or suchlike.

[Moise]

No doubt in my mind that Rossi pushed Marquez wide, but it looked to me that it was Marques who proceeded to turn in on Rossi, which made him crash.
So you missed seeing Rossi slow down, look twice, then push him with his knee? There was an overhead camera shot they showed after the race that showed it very clearly.

[husaberg]

So you missed seeing Rossi slow down, look twice, then push him with his knee? There was an overhead camera shot they showed after the race that showed it very clearly.

Hes allowed to slow down he had the line, I have not seen the shot overhead but was there contact prior ?

[carbonhed]

I added a bit more to my post for the "NON ROSSI" FANS
It will be very very interesting.
Rossi had signalled a few times that a shitfight for 3rd was silly Marqsueeze I guess wanted to a prove a point about something or suchlike.

It will be interesting. i'll be staying up to watch the press conference which is a first.

Regardless I think that's Rossi's bolt shot.

[pritch]

When you think about it all this shitfight started because of Rossi's big mouth on Thursday. What a fucking massive cockup. Tactical genius my arse.

It didn't start on Thursday, it started at Phillip Island. Tonight Marquez was doing exactly what Rossi had accused him of at the press conference.
Anyone who hasn't watched the press conference won't really know what is going on. Harris and Birt were spouting sensationalist crap during the race and that doesn't help either.

I was already concerned that one of the Spanish riders would bunt Rossi into the scenery at Valencia if he was a threat, it's possible that has just became even more likely. Marquez will be itching to volunteer for the job now.

Of course Rossi could do a Schumacher and take Lorenzo out then he'd be champ. If he could get close enough. :whistle:

[Moise]

Hes allowed to slow down he had the line, I have not seen the shot overhead but was there contact prior ?
No, there was no contact. Marquez was going to follow him, but Rossi slowed and Marquez had to go round the outside. That's when it happened.

It will be very interesting to see what action is taken. Something like that in F1 would result in very serious consequences.

[WNJ]

Rossi starting on back or grid for next race

[BMWST?]

Hes allowed to slow down he had the line, I have not seen the shot overhead but was there contact prior ?
He deliberatley pushed MM way wide ,he was looking straight at him and kept pushing wide,they were both way slow.I think Marques actually fell on the marbles.I am not a Rossi fan but that incident was a direct result of his "ploy" on thursday.He called MM a child.He got the response from MM exactly he predicted.I dont think he meant for MM to fall,but IMHO it was a deliberate intentional move.I dont know what he was trying to do,cos if he hadnt fallen MM woulda been straight back at him.
I cannot imagine what the penalty is gonna be but this may put the whole season on a artificial ending

[husaberg]

No, there was no contact. Marquez was going to follow him, but Rossi slowed and Marquez had to go round the outside. That's when it happened.

It will be very interesting to see what action is taken. Something like that in F1 would result in very serious consequences.

I just re watched the incident with the overhead view, there was two lots of contact prior to Rossi's leg leaving the peg. Two


Marquseeze could have braked or tried the inside, Yes Rossi baulked him, no doubt about it but Maqueeze didn't have to try and go around him.
It will be interesting to see what does happens I predict there will be a riot ,if they take points from Rossi. Did you hear the chants when they were interviewing Jose...........
Awesome ride from Predo, That Honda was squirrelly under brakes.


He deliberatley pushed MM way wide ,he was looking straight at him and kept pushing wide,they were both way slow.I think Marques actually fell on the marbles.I am not a Rossi fan but that incident was a direct result of his "ploy" on thursday.He called MM a child.He got the response from MM exactly he predicted.I dont think he meant for MM to fall,but IMHO it was a deliberate intentional move.I dont know what he was trying to do,cos if he hadnt fallen MM woulda been straight back at him.
I cannot imagine what the penalty is gonna be but this may put the whole season on a artificial ending

Yip he did. It happens all the time in racing, he was baulking him to destroy the Hondas Drive onto the straight to get some breathing space.

I hope not re the ending.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dirtiest and nastiest piece of riding I've ever seen. What a total looser Rossi.

[Autech]

No, there was no contact. Marquez was going to follow him, but Rossi slowed and Marquez had to go round the outside. That's when it happened.

It will be very interesting to see what action is taken. Something like that in F1 would result in very serious consequences.

F1 would only dream of having a battle lkke that.

Rossi gives as he is given...


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[Dave-]

Disgusting how Marc can take a dive like that and get away with it.

[Digitdion]

Some insane riding by the 2 of them. Some one was gunna crash out. I hope Rossi can escape punishment.

[puddytat]

press conference on.....Rossi to start at back of grid in Valencia

[Moise]

Fascinating how we see what we want to.

I doubt that Rossi will make it very far through the field at Valencia. There are a lot of Spanish riders ...

[GD66]

Calling Mike Web! Kiwi in control.





You're kidding mate. Wet bus ticket at worst from that bloke. Hopeless Yes-man.

[husaberg]

Fascinating how we see what we want to.

I doubt that Rossi will make it very far through the field at Valencia. There are a lot of Spanish riders ...

Here is the Gif I just made I can't get the official view as MGP has blocked the video for NZ so its a bit fuzzy but its clear were the contact was made and in what order
http://i.imgur.com/8Vu10wO.gif
As I said two contacts he crashes on the second contact foot leaves the pegs . He actually hits Rossi's leg on the second contact as well.

http://i.imgur.com/HtqPowY.gif

[carbonhed]

You're kidding mate. Wet bus ticket at worst from that bloke. Hopeless Yes-man.

Back of the grid at Valencia.

Flossi no show in press conference.

You think back to Simoncelli getting a ride through penalty for chopping Pedros nose off and Flossi's just allowed to cruise on to the end. Laughable.

[Oscar]

You're kidding mate. Wet bus ticket at worst from that bloke. Hopeless Yes-man.

It's easy from in front of yer TV, isn't it?

[puddytat]

Rossi keeps the points for third.....

[Digitdion]

Dirtiest and nastiest piece of riding I've ever seen. What a total looser Rossi.
Rossi will always be a great rider. Marquez got as good as he gave. He almost took out Rossi in the preceding laps. One of them was gunna crash. For me I am glad it was Marquez. Marquez had nothing to lose.
Let's hope for Rain in Valencia.

[pritch]

At the press conference Lorenzo was pitching for a further penalty for Rossi. Pedrosa was the diplomat, actually he was quite impressive. Rossi was otherwise engaged.

Lorenzo did not like some questions: there was one about his relationship with Marquez he wouldn't really answer and queried the motivation for the question. Another one about his making an overtake under a yellow flag early in the race and he declined to discuss that. He really only wanted to discuss the Marquez Rossi incident which he admitted having seen just once. There was also a question about the propriety of having the questions about Rossi in his absence which Lorenzo dismissed.

So at least one journalist noted the possibility of an overtake under yellow, I wonder if Race Direction did?

[Brett]

He didn't expect Marquez to crash, but he pushed him out on purpose. Even admitted it.

There was no kick though, his foot came off the peg when they touched.

That's my take too. MM put a couple of pretty dicey passes on Rossi, by dicey I mean close, but that is nothing Rossi hasn't done before.

Honestly, don't know what the fuck to make of all of that. I do know that Lorenzo was going on like a little spoilt princess in the conference. As for Dani Pedrosa...good, fair, balanced comments. My respect for the guy only grows and grows.

Pity for VR and MM. Neither of them really were playing smart. My two favourite riders too...although...Dani now moving up there!

[Brett]

What I do think is that this has not been good for the sport. Love him or hate him, Rossi is a key character for the sport and a huge ambassador for the sport and this doesn't reflect well.

[Digitdion]

What I do think is that this has not been good for the sport. Love him or hate him, Rossi is a key character for the sport and a huge ambassador for the sport and this doesn't reflect well.

Rossi V Marquez was the race within the race. Marquez could have just as easy taken Rossi out. Let Rossi start from where he qualifies in Valencia.

[Oakie]

Some insane riding by the 2 of them. Some one was gunna crash out. I hope Rossi can escape punishment.

Great battle while it lasted. Rossi slowed ... a bit like a competitive yacht holding a line to push another off the course. I also think he kicked out a little ... possibly as the bikes may have been touching.

[BMWST?]

so if jlo wins at valencia VR must come 2nd,if Jlo comes second VR must come at least 3rd,if jlo is 3rd VR must be better than 7th,if jlo 4th VR must be beteer than 10th.If they are tied Jlo will win on countback(more wins).
So jlo must come first or second i reckon,if he is lower than that I reckon VR will be in the hunt.

[BMWST?]

What I do think is that this has not been good for the sport. Love him or hate him, Rossi is a key character for the sport and a huge ambassador for the sport and this doesn't reflect well.
Agreed,but they had to do something.This was a deliberate move,not a "racing incident which some of his other moves have been disguised as.

[BMWST?]

Rossi V Marquez was the race within the race. Marquez could have just as easy taken Rossi out. Let Rossi start from where he qualifies in Valencia.
Dont agree,harsh passes are one thing this was something else

[Reckless]

When you think about it all this shitfight started because of Rossi's big mouth on Thursday. What a fucking massive cockup. Tactical genius my arse.

Agreed!!
Refer back to my previous post told you the shit would hit the fan :bye:
No one here has mentioned the most important thing as far as im concerned and prob race control.
Was Rossi on his normal line for the corner, or did he change it to make contact or confront MM.
Clearly he did as at the end of the move Rossi was heading for the grass as well till he tipped it in and carried on. END Of STORY Guilty

Secondly the three clear looks it took get himself into that position DOUBLE GUILTY. And I'm a Rossi fan or was??
I do wonder if MM let Lorenzo go or not, but Rossi bought this on himself to a large degree.
He lost the plot, let his head get fucked over. But boy did he show the lad the learn lol
I'm as disappointed in Rossi as I was after my last post, that incident was uncalled for. And race control had no option but to act.

Rossi has no one else to blame but himself.

[Brett]

Rossi V Marquez was the race within the race. Marquez could have just as easy taken Rossi out. Let Rossi start from where he qualifies in Valencia.

Yes, it could have easily been MM taking Rossi out. Agreed.

[husaberg]

Dont agree,harsh passes are one thing this was something else

Since when is baulking someone illegal?
It happens all the time. It is not as if he suddenly changed line. sure it was a block or a baulk but lets be clear he was hit not once but twice not the other way around.

[BMWST?]

You are as delusional as your hero

[Berries]

Rossi to start at back of grid in Valencia.
I'll have a virtual fiver with all of the haters on here that Rossi will be champion after Valencia. That's if MM doesn't jump off his bike again.

[GD66]

It's easy from in front of yer TV, isn't it?




As a matter of fact, I have had nothing to do with Mike since his riding days, but that summary was given to me as an assessment by an experienced senior official with FIM accreditation whom I know and believe. I care fuck all whether you believe it, or agree with it.

It has been clear since Phillip Island 2003 that Rossi will never, ever get a black flag, no matter what.

[mr bucketracer]

don't bring a knife to a gun fight :devil2:

[sil3nt]

Spoilers? :rolleyes:

[Maha]

Some insane riding by the 2 of them. Some one was gunna crash out. I hope Rossi can escape punishment.

...and 9/10 times it will be Marquez who crashes out, he has proven that time and time again.

You'll never hear someone say... ''Slow down Marquez''.

[trustme]

Marques is a slow learner , 3 times he's clashed with Rossi 3 times he has come second. Rossi should have kept his nose clean because he has a very hard road to win the championship from here but I can't really blame him for what he did.

[F5 Dave]

Did Rossi know he was there? Yes.
Did Rossi slow and block by going off line? Yes.
Did he kick him? Dunno.
Did he nudge him? Nah.

What I do know is you don't lean on someone using you front wheel.

[badlieutenant]

Did Rossi know he was there? Yes.
Did Rossi slow and block by going off line? Yes.
Did he kick him? Dunno.
Did he nudge him? Nah.

What I do know is you don't lean on someone using you front wheel.
+1 this
And it does kinda look like Marc was simply holding up rossi. Since when has marc fought that hard for third when he had the same race pace as everyone else? Race direction even agreed that Marc appeared to be doing just that but there isnt a rule against it.
bit of a sore note to a fucking awesome season.
Jorge looks like a total fucking dork calling for points taken off his team mate and carrying on like a princess, just when I was starting to like the dude off track as well.
Dani I have always liked partly cause he reminds me of aaron slight with all the bad luck he gets but just keeps on doing his thing. He looks even better in this light with his comments on how this incident is just bad for everyone.
Next season would be awesome for me if it was a rossi/dani title fight. Altho, to be honest I think if Dani is consistantly fast in every race he would be untouchable. Like jorge if he gets his head down in front he is gone. But gone faster than jorge :D
Look out next weekend, Rossi with nothing to lose running thru the pack :D
I hope jorge sunglasses brand fails, freaking nasty nana that one :)

[Autech]

Repost blah

[badlieutenant]

Here is the Gif I just made I can't get the official view as MGP has blocked the video for NZ so its a bit fuzzy but its clear were the contact was made and in what order

As I said two contacts he crashes on the second contact foot leaves the pegs . He actually hits Rossi's leg on the second contact as well.


watching this second gif it doesnt look like Rossi pushed Marc until Marc actually tried to ride thru Rossi, then the leg thing looks like Rossi just pushing Marc off.
Nothing in the rules about taking a slow wide line......
I just hope Dani has a fucking awesome year next season with jorge and marc hugging each other as pedrosa dominates his team mate. It will be interesting if the new tyres suit Danis light weight better.

[Autech]

Fuck Rossi n MM. Dani won! Woooooo!
Look out next year, Pedrosa is in good form, if he doesn't injure himself pre season that is...

Other things that went on, great head to head between the Suzuki boys, Aleix just beat the young gun. Bradl in 10th ahead of a satellite Honda! Smith made Crutchlow his bitch!
Eearrrnonee's bike blew up, Dovi chucked it down the road!



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[Shaun Harris]

Did Rossi know he was there? Yes.
Did Rossi slow and block by going off line? Yes.
Did he kick him? Dunno.
Did he nudge him? Nah.

What I do know is you don't lean on someone using you front wheel.




From watching and re watching and re watching, Rossi Did nudge him, ( Accidently) but it was the kind of nudge to say fuk off with his leg, rather than his hand as he was busy at the time. So, he actioned his leg to say fuk off, which in turn made his knee make contact with MM bars causing the crash!

Real big fuk up for all involved, only making things easier for JL now

[Shaun Harris]

watching this second gif it doesnt look like Rossi pushed Marc until Marc actually tried to ride thru Rossi, then the leg thing looks like Rossi just pushing Marc off.
Nothing in the rules about taking a slow wide line......
I just hope Dani has a fucking awesome year next season with jorge and marc hugging each other as pedrosa dominates his team mate. It will be interesting if the new tyres suit Danis light weight better.



This is a great show of what went down. It was not intentional to knock MM down, more of a fuk off action, but it did cause the crash, so VR does deserve the 3 point penalty sadly.

[Shaun Harris]

Since when is baulking someone illegal?
It happens all the time. It is not as if he suddenly changed line. sure it was a block or a baulk but lets be clear he was hit not once but twice not the other way around.



I say MM was riding like a twat

[Shaun Harris]

That's my take too. MM put a couple of pretty dicey passes on Rossi, by dicey I mean close, but that is nothing Rossi hasn't done before.

Honestly, don't know what the fuck to make of all of that. I do know that Lorenzo was going on like a little spoilt princess in the conference. As for Dani Pedrosa...good, fair, balanced comments. My respect for the guy only grows and grows.

Pity for VR and MM. Neither of them really were playing smart. My two favourite riders too...although...Dani now moving up there!



Lorenzo is just a wining bitch Full stop

[Metastable]

I think what happened is pretty clear.

Marquez was riding like an imbecile and just trying to antagonize Rossi... they had touched previously. Check out the video below.

Rossi was doing an off line block pass. Marquez hits Rossi, so Rossi pushes his knee out after that happened, and Marquez went down. I think Marquez should be penalized for his actions as well. He initiated contact on more than one occasion.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CSJjaN5UAAEXQEp.mp4

If the above one doesn't work, try this:
https://twitter.com/GP_Xtra/

[carbonhed]

This is a great show of what went down. It was not intentional to knock MM down, more of a fuk off action, but it did cause the crash, so VR does deserve the 3 point penalty sadly.

Have you got to see the race yet Shaun? The whole to and fro up to that point was pretty interesting.

[carbonhed]

Yamaha's Lin Jarvis shares his views on the #SepangClash at the Malaysian GP and explains the situation.
Movistar Yamaha’s Managing Director Lin Jarvis gives us his verdict on Race Direction’s decision on the Rossi/Marquez incident at the Shell Malaysian Grand Prix, plus how they plan to appeal:

What’s your reaction to the Penalty against Valentino?
“I think that what happened today, the incident on track was the result of at least a couple of races of fierce competition between Marc Marquez and Valentino Rossi. From the first race in Phillip Island it has led to the accusation the Valentino made the other day about Marc’s attempt to control the race and attempt to influence the Championship and I think that what we saw in the race was the revenge of Marc Marquez towards Valentino’s statements in the media.

So whilst, if you analyse the race in details today and you study every move that Marc did, there was nothing illegal about any single move, but I think you have to see the bigger picture and you have to question the motivation of the style of race and the way and the attempt of Marc to clearly disturb Valentino to the maximum. Finally that resulted in an overflow of frustration by Valentino and that boiled over and he made a move that was an incorrect move by taking Marc out to the side of the track. Then unfortunately Marc deicide to turn in hit the leg, that caused an incident and Marc fell off.

I am very sad that the incident resulted in the crash of another rider. I think that Valentino was found, shall we say, the one in the race that did a manoeuvre that was not legal. This was finally the result and that’s why he was penalised.

He was given a penalty initially of three penalty points, which is you add that together with the one he already has it creates four points which means he will start at the back of the grid in Valencia. So anyway, our job as a team is to defend the interest of our riders, so whilst we cannot deny that Valentino’s move was not the sort of move we want to see in MotoGP at that time. At the same time we feel that the penalty is quite harsh, to give three points when normally Valentino is not a dirty rider. He is not a rider that creates issues and problems for other people, so as a team we appealed to the FIM to the first decision of the Race Direction. Then Valentino was heard by the FIM, then the FIM also consulted Race Direction, then the FUIM also consulted Marc Marquez and Honda and finally after a period of forty-five minutes or something we have the results of the appeal and it’s been rejected.

So the original penalty of three points against Valentino stands and in the appeal process, if you have a decision of Race Direction you can then take an appeal to the FIM steward. If the FIM Steward rejects your appeal and agrees with the original decision, it’s no longer appealable. It’s final, so case closed.”

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.facebook.com/FastBikesMagazine/videos/1018253931530671/

[carbonhed]

I wonder if Rossi had organised a meeting with Lyn Jarvis, Livio Suppo and Marquez on Thursday. Quiet, private and made his concerns known then and there a different outcome might have been achieved.

On reflection I feel kind of cheated out of a great battle.

The whole weekend was a slow motion meltdown for Rossi.

[roogazza]

Yamaha's Lin Jarvis shares his views on the #SepangClash at the Malaysian GP and explains the situation.
Movistar Yamaha’s Managing Director Lin Jarvis gives us his verdict on Race Direction’s decision on the Rossi/Marquez incident at the Shell Malaysian Grand Prix, plus how they plan to appeal:

What’s your reaction to the Penalty against Valentino?
“I think that what happened today, the incident on track was the result of at least a couple of races of fierce competition between Marc Marquez and Valentino Rossi. From the first race in Phillip Island it has led to the accusation the Valentino made the other day about Marc’s attempt to control the race and attempt to influence the Championship and I think that what we saw in the race was the revenge of Marc Marquez towards Valentino’s statements in the media.

So whilst, if you analyse the race in details today and you study every move that Marc did, there was nothing illegal about any single move, but I think you have to see the bigger picture and you have to question the motivation of the style of race and the way and the attempt of Marc to clearly disturb Valentino to the maximum. Finally that resulted in an overflow of frustration by Valentino and that boiled over and he made a move that was an incorrect move by taking Marc out to the side of the track. Then unfortunately Marc deicide to turn in hit the leg, that caused an incident and Marc fell off.

I am very sad that the incident resulted in the crash of another rider. I think that Valentino was found, shall we say, the one in the race that did a manoeuvre that was not legal. This was finally the result and that’s why he was penalised.

He was given a penalty initially of three penalty points, which is you add that together with the one he already has it creates four points which means he will start at the back of the grid in Valencia. So anyway, our job as a team is to defend the interest of our riders, so whilst we cannot deny that Valentino’s move was not the sort of move we want to see in MotoGP at that time. At the same time we feel that the penalty is quite harsh, to give three points when normally Valentino is not a dirty rider. He is not a rider that creates issues and problems for other people, so as a team we appealed to the FIM to the first decision of the Race Direction. Then Valentino was heard by the FIM, then the FIM also consulted Race Direction, then the FUIM also consulted Marc Marquez and Honda and finally after a period of forty-five minutes or something we have the results of the appeal and it’s been rejected.

So the original penalty of three points against Valentino stands and in the appeal process, if you have a decision of Race Direction you can then take an appeal to the FIM steward. If the FIM Steward rejects your appeal and agrees with the original decision, it’s no longer appealable. It’s final, so case closed.”

Pretty fair appraisal there Carbon.
Sad MM went down and even sadder we don't get a better race for the final.
#99 came thru strongly as usual and I thought #46 would have fought harder to hang onto him ?
Not into Titles as much as the racing myself. Points, pah !

But hey Vale won the fight, if not the war ??

[Autech]

I wonder if Rossi had organised a meeting with Lyn Jarvis, Livio Suppo and Marquez on Thursday. Quiet, private and made his concerns known then and there a different outcome might have been achieved.

On reflection I feel kind of cheated out of a great battle.

The whole weekend was a slow motion meltdown for Rossi.

Yup, the whole race has been overshadowed by this yaahoo. We all want Rossi and Lozenger to go at it but MM seems to not want that to happen. :ar15:
I wonder if the king of Spain got MM and Jlo together and told them to beat ze Italian? The day Pedrosa helps Lorenzo though :D
The Suzuki boys were going at it for a lot of that race too which would have been great to watch a bit of, two of the most talented riders on the grid having a clean and tidy scrap.

3 times Marquez has attempted to rough up Rossi this season and he's come off 2nd best all 3 times. Who's boss? ROSSI IS BOSS!

[husaberg]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224594/1/motogp-race-director-explains-rossi-punishment.html

Mike Webbs explaination
I can see that the FIM is going to sort this eventually.
Why if Mike is as measured in his words as others have said this one sentence is a pretty damming inditement

“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino.
here is a new one clearer
http://i.imgur.com/4eyttsm.gif

[badlieutenant]

a portion of race directions comments on the incident
“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules."
Which does seem to support Rossi's statements regarding marc trying to affect the outcome of the championship, or at least Rossi's chances.
I want to punch Marc's dad in the face. So does the wife. For some reason he is really annoying, like Marcs smile.

I must not quote with pictures, I must not quote with pictures, I must not quote with pictures, I must not quote with pictures, I must not quote with pictures, I must not quote with pictures, I must not quote with pictures, I must not quote with pictures.....

[Shaun Harris]

https://www.facebook.com/FastBikesMagazine/videos/1018253931530671/



Pretty obvious eh. MM hits VR and VR tells him to fuk off. How can blind Mike webb not see that? He has used this as an example to all the loonies in the Moto3 class that he has not been able to control, very poor decision I say. I Have lost all respect for Mike Webb now, he is as out of control as MM is.

[husaberg]

I want to punch Marc's dad in the face. So does the wife. For some reason he is really annoying, like Marcs smile.



http://i.imgur.com/YiEtp2Q.gif

A coaches Celebration of a wining goal for his team in the Fifa World Cup.
http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-12/9/16/enhanced/webdr08/anigif_enhanced-26967-1418159238-1.gif

[badlieutenant]

hmmm that does look a bit condemning....

[pritch]

Twitter was on fire last night, it would seem that a lot of people have not been taking their medication. I was interested in the comments of riders and former riders. Only one, Foggy, thought Marquez was snow white, but then he always was a bit different. Most were symapthetic to Rossi, a smaller number were neutral.

The comments of Race Direction show that they now pretty much agree with the comments made by Rossi at the Thursday press conference, although, like us, the thought hadn't occurred to them previously. While Marquez was riding dirty, he did not actually break any rule. In rugby he would have been penalised for shepherding but GPs aren't rugby. Maybe it's time MotoGP had a rule, as Webb says this isn't the first time riders have effected the championship in support of another.

Race Direction's explanation of events is here: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224594/1/motogp-race-director-explains-rossi-punishment.html

The best comment I've seen was this:

[FROSTY]

Im fining it hard to believe this race on a couple of fronts. 1) The grand master of mind games has allowed someone to fuck with his head.
2) That a crowd would BOO a rider who totally busted his ass out there to win.,
I don't give a fuck if lorenso is a petulant child hes a guy that can ride the wheels off that bike and did so. To boo him for it.--That sucks.
--Boo his comments afterwards YEP but not his ontrack performance.

Incidently what I would be focussing on is what Rossi did with his right wrist the fraction of a second before impact.
A deliberate throttle closure after he looked left would say everything that needs to be said.

[carbonhed]

I've just watched the race again and Marquez was as clean as a whistle on Rossi. A legitimate race for the last position on the podium.

Rossi was ragged and dirty in the end. Complete mental breakdown.

[bogan]

Spoilers? :rolleyes:

Would it help if I said no, he didn't? and they both finished the race happily ever after :laugh:

[bogan]

So, Rossi gets shitty about Marquez allegedly intentionally slowing him up, so proceeds to intentionally slow up Marquez with such magnitude that it leaves no question of 'allegedly' about it at all.

What happened before, and after, is largely beside the point.

And Lorenzo is still a whiny little bitch (they found Stoner's replacement quick didn't they). So..


Go the Bridesmaid :bleh:


Fuck those slow-mo shots over the ripple strips looked cool with the reflected red/white on the rider's leathers though.

[pritch]

A legitimate race for the last position on the podium.




So you have watched it again and still completely missed the point? Read the comments of Race Direction. Marquez was riding to assist Lorenzo.
Unfortunately there is no rule against that. Some of the riders say that there is an unwritten rule, but Race Direction only do written.

“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

[Shaun Harris]

RULES EXPERTS PLEASE

Rossi is going to demand a sooper dooper hot rod special motor from Yamaha, and start the race from pit lane for the penalty for the motor swap, then go and smoke them all hahahaha. I wonder if this could be done? I am not sure on the rules if they were to swap for a non spec motor as race end? any one know the facts re engine swaps
__________________

[badlieutenant]

I've just watched the race again and Marquez was as clean as a whistle on Rossi. A legitimate race for the last position on the podium.

Rossi was ragged and dirty in the end. Complete mental breakdown.
I dont know about marc in this one. Maybe a real racer on here can comment but I would have thought in this situation for 3rd where both are fast enough to compete for 2nd and first you might tussle a little to be in front if you were faster but if not you would settle behind the other rider and take the slip stream to stay with the first group. After the first few passes I thought that was what rossi was going to do (good way to preserve your tyres too guess) but Im assuming when he tried this Marc slowed his race pace down, hence Rossi's frustration.
I dont think Rossi had a mental break down, More like a fuck this and fuck you moment.
If marc hadnt tumbled I wonder if Rossi's move would have worked ?
Anyone got any stats on rider contact during races ? Im assuming Marc would win that competition.
I raged at the little twerp last year for screwing Dani's chances in the championship when he went in hot on Dani and screwed up his traction control, resulting in a very serious highside for Dani, his own team mate.

[carbonhed]

So you have watched it again and still completely missed the point? Read the comments of Race Direction. Marquez was riding to assist Lorenzo.
Unfortunately there is no rule against that. Some of the riders say that there is an unwritten rule, but Race Direction only do written.

“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

Marquez was not riding to assist Lorenzo. He was racing his own race to the best of his abilities. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

Everything else is just fanboi hysterics.

[Shaun Harris]

Marquez was not riding to assist Lorenzo. He was racing his own race to the best of his abilities. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

Everything else is just fanboi hysterics.



Clean apart from the 2 times he hit/bumped into VR- and then there was the 3rd time when VR was pushing him wide to try and make him fuk off

[Crasherfromwayback]

So you have watched it again and still completely missed the point? Read the comments of Race Direction. Marquez was riding to assist Lorenzo.
.

Can't agree with you there. MM had a huge moment and lost a lot of ground. He was doing his best to get by Rossi again and clear off, but Rossi took it dirty. Rossi should've had all points from that race taken away. A slap on the wrist sets a dangerous precident. Maybe MM should torpedo Rossi at Valencia if that's all you get for purposely taking someone out of a race?

[Autech]

I dont know about marc in this one. Maybe a real racer on here can comment but I would have thought in this situation for 3rd where both are fast enough to compete for 2nd and first you might tussle a little to be in front if you were faster but if not you would settle behind the other rider and take the slip stream to stay with the first group. After the first few passes I thought that was what rossi was going to do (good way to preserve your tyres too guess) but Im assuming when he tried this Marc slowed his race pace down, hence Rossi's frustration.
I dont think Rossi had a mental break down, More like a fuck this and fuck you moment.
If marc hadnt tumbled I wonder if Rossi's move would have worked ?
Anyone got any stats on rider contact during races ? Im assuming Marc would win that competition.
I raged at the little twerp last year for screwing Dani's chances in the championship when he went in hot on Dani and screwed up his traction control, resulting in a very serious highside for Dani, his own team mate.

+1. MM kept overtaking then not trying to open a gap as his pace suggested he could do. Before the race he was talking about fighting with Dani for the win (fat chance).


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[Shaun Harris]

Can't agree with you there. MM had a huge moment and lost a lot of ground. He was doing his best to get by Rossi again and clear off, but Rossi took it dirty. Rossi should've had all points from that race taken away. A slap on the wrist sets a dangerous precident. Maybe MM should torpedo Rossi at Valencia if that's all you get for purposely taking someone out of a race?



100% disagree with ya re having all points taken off him. But each to there on opinions I guess, even with vids that PROVE what went down in our faces, and having just passed a medical clearance, I know I am not blind lol

[Maha]

So you have watched it again and still completely missed the point? Read the comments of Race Direction. Marquez was riding to assist Lorenzo.
Unfortunately there is no rule against that. Some of the riders say that there is an unwritten rule, but Race Direction only do written.

“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

...and this bit... ''Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides''.

[onearmedbandit]

So Lorenzo said he left the podium because he was 'physically drained'. Is he ill or something?

[Autech]

So Lorenzo said he left the podium because he was 'physically drained'. Is he ill or something?

Was a hot race. Dani showed his fitness is back though, hard conditions to win. JL would have been hammering it to try and get him all race. But still, cold champaign would cure that!


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[pritch]

Can't agree with you there.

Well Pete, and Carbonhead, after looking at the numerous video clips, and they have more than us, and talking to the riders, that is the finding of Race Direction. With which obviously I agree. The "fanbois" are those who contnue to ignore the findings of Race Direction and indulge a fantasy?

So it turns out that Marquez is a cheating, lying, little shit. But he's a rich, lying, cheating, little shit who can punt a bike around a track faster than just about anyone else on the planet.

He always struck me as a smiling assasssin. More so now than previously.

[badlieutenant]

Rossi should have tried this on Marc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8az46ELVvgE

:)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well Pete, and Carbonhead, after looking at the numerous video clips, and they have more than us, and talking to the riders, that is the finding of Race Direction. With which obviously I agree. The "fanbois" are those who contnue to ignore the findings of Race Direction and indulge a fantasy?

So it turns out that Marquez is a cheating, lying, little shit. But he's a rich, lying, cheating, little shit who can punt a bike around a track faster than just about anyone else on the planet.

He always struck me as a smiling assasssin. More so now than previously.

Correct. Race direction have penalised Rossi for intentionally running MM out of track right? So the whole ignoring of the findings thing doesn't make sense sorry. Rossi did bad...he's been penalised. End of story really. And he's a VERY rich, lying, cheating dirty cunt that threw away the title. And will be forever remembered for doing so. A fitting end I'd say.

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.facebook.com/MotoPasion/videos/876267075822270/

And some say Rossi is the dirtiest racer they've seen...

[Crasherfromwayback]

https://www.facebook.com/MotoPasion/videos/876267075822270/

And some say Rossi is the dirtiest racer they've seen...

Your blinkers are doing overtime today mate!

[Oscar]

Correct. Race direction have penalised Rossi for intentionally running MM out of track right? So the whole ignoring of the findings thing doesn't make sense sorry. Rossi did bad...he's been penalised. End of story really. And he's a VERY rich, lying, cheating dirty cunt that threw away the title. And will be forever remembered for doing so. A fitting end I'd say.

I agree with most of that, except that MM needs to be taken in hand - he can't be allowed to think that he's some sort of untouchable enforcer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I agree with most of that, except that MM needs to be taken in hand - he can't be allowed to think that he's some sort of untouchable enforcer.

After the race former Rossi rival Casey Stoner was quick to say that if anyone had pulled the move on Rossi that Rossi (allegedly) pulled on Marquez they'd 'have been black-flagged immediately'.

And it's just lucky that Rossi already had a point against him, or otherwise he'd have basically gone unpunished.

[onearmedbandit]

Your blinkers are doing overtime today mate!

How so mate? I'm only stating that Marquez has done some dirty shit on the track in his time. More so than Rossi in fact, who had the reputation of being a dirty rider coming into MotoGP? Rossi or Marquez?

[onearmedbandit]

After the race former Rossi rival Casey Stoner was quick to say that if anyone had pulled the move on Rossi that Rossi (allegedly) pulled on Marquez they'd 'have been black-flagged immediately'.

And it's just lucky that Rossi already had a point against him, or otherwise he'd have basically gone unpunished.

Or maybe they would've hit him with four points? You talk about blinkers mate?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How so mate? I'm only stating that Marquez has done some dirty shit on the track in his time. More so than Rossi in fact, who had the reputation of being a dirty rider coming into MotoGP? Rossi or Marquez?

And Rossi hasn't? Go back and watch Rossi vs Gibernau, or Rossi vs Stoner, or Rossi vs his own team mate at Montegi 2010. You know...when Lorenzo was going for the title that Rossi had NO chance of winning...yet he tried his best to fuck up his own team mate? And Rossi wants to bitch about MM trying to stop him winning the title? Laughable sorry mate.

[bogan]

How so mate? I'm only stating that Marquez has done some dirty shit on the track in his time. More so than Rossi in fact, who had the reputation of being a dirty rider coming into MotoGP? Rossi or Marquez?

Agressive in taking the race line for sure. And yeh he had the rep for it. Doesn't mean its fair game for rossi to slow them both down by taking them off the race line (when he could have rode it quite happily). I've not seen Marquez (or any other top level rider) do that...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Or maybe they would've hit him with four points? You talk about blinkers mate?

Should've actually been disqualified from the race I think.

[onearmedbandit]

And Rossi hasn't? Go back and watch Rossi vs Gibernau, or Rossi vs Stoner, or Rossi vs his own team mate at Montegi 2010. You know...when Lorenzo was going for the title that Rossi had NO chance of winning...yet he tried his best to fuck up his own team mate? And Rossi wants to bitch about MM trying to stop him winning the title? Laughable sorry mate.

Mate where did I say he hadn't? I've watched the racing, like you, since before Rossi was on the scene. I'm just reminding some that seem to have forgotten about MM's past. Sorry if you took that personally but you're not the only one who has called Rossi the dirtiest racer ever.

[Erelyes]

Some insane riding by the 2 of them. Some one was gunna crash out. I hope Rossi can escape punishment.

Thanks for creating a new thread with a spoiler in the title. :angry2:


Did Rossi know he was there? Yes.
Did Rossi slow and block by going off line? Yes.
Did he kick him? Dunno.
Did he nudge him? Nah.

What I do know is you don't lean on someone using you front wheel.

This. MM was goading Vale and making some pretty suss passes himself.

Was Vale smart in blocking him? No, but in itself it was a minor act and not worthy of a DQ etc.
Did Vale knock MM off deliberately? No. From my view, MM thought that Vale was going to leave him on the outside and turn back in, so turned in himself. Except Rossi didn't turn in. You can see MM's bike shaking from contact before Vale's knee (reflexively) comes out.

Vale is guilty of an unsportsmanlike block, and deliberately running MM wide, but the fault of MM falling lies with both MM and VR. Ergo it's only fair to penalise VR for running him wide, not for the fall.

Vale's still a dick though, he would have been better letting the battle sort itself out for a while then chasing after Lorenzo (or, getting a tow behind MM, if MM was inclined to do so!)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mate where did I say he hadn't? I've watched the racing, like you, since before Rossi was on the scene. I'm just reminding some that seem to have forgotten about MM's past. Sorry if you took that personally but you're not the only one who has called Rossi the dirtiest racer ever.

All good mate, I don't take it personally. I simply think that MM plays hard and sometimes hard gets close to out of control. But to me, there's a big difference between hard and dirty. What we saw last night, was nothing but outright dirty.

[puddytat]

Did Rossi know he was there? Yes.
Did Rossi slow and block by going off line? Yes.
Did he kick him? Dunno.
Did he nudge him? Nah.

What I do know is you don't lean on someone using you front wheel.

And that's what makes me think that its Marques fault.....he tuned in to Rossi & lost the front end dramatically fast at a relatively slow speed or maybe his brake lever contacted Rossi?

[onearmedbandit]

Should've actually been disqualified from the race I think.

Disqualified for blocking??

[onearmedbandit]

All good mate, I don't take it personally. I simply think that MM plays hard and sometimes hard gets close to out of control. But to me, there's a big difference between hard and dirty. What we saw last night, was nothing but outright dirty.

Blocking or 'kicking'?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Disqualified for blocking??

Purposely running someone out into the marbles yes.

[onearmedbandit]

Purposely running someone out into the marbles yes.

Even Pedrosa said the rider on the inside has the choice on how wide he goes.

[Oscar]

After the race former Rossi rival Casey Stoner was quick to say that if anyone had pulled the move on Rossi that Rossi (allegedly) pulled on Marquez they'd 'have been black-flagged immediately'.

And it's just lucky that Rossi already had a point against him, or otherwise he'd have basically gone unpunished.

Oh come on now, yer not that thick.
They gave hime three coz he already had one.
If he'd of had none, they would have given him four.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh come on now, yer not that thick.
They gave hime three coz he already had one.
If he'd of had none, they would have given him four.

We'll never know will we? Still think disqualification would've been the correct decision. But they'd never do that eh? Got the last round to think about!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even Pedrosa said the rider on the inside has the choice on how wide he goes.

Lol. Clutching at straws there Bro. I'm sure Rossi didn't need to go out to the grass at 30kph.

[Digitdion]

Marques is a slow learner , 3 times he's clashed with Rossi 3 times he has come second. Rossi should have kept his nose clean because he has a very hard road to win the championship from here but I can't really blame him for what he did.

Rossi had to try to chase Lorenzo. If Marquez had taken Rossi out ( they was a very good chance that was going to happen) , then Rossi would have been far worse off in the champion decider points wise.
Rossi was naughty , no doubt. But Marquez had plenty of warning but chose to not back off in the corner.
I think Lorenzo and Marquez do not like the fact that nearly all of the fans love the Doctor.

Perhaps the championship decider will be a national affair. The Spanish taking on( or out) the Italians or vice versa!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi had to try to chase Lorenzo. If Marquez had taken Rossi out ( they was a very good chance that was going to happen) , then Rossi would have been far worse off in the champion decider points wise.
Rossi was naughty , no doubt. But Marquez had plenty of warning but chose to not back off in the corner.
!

Dude....MM is paid by HRC to do his very best in every single race! Why would he want to back off to let Rossi go? Wouldn't he then be guilty of trying to help Rossi beat Lorenzo? The very crime Rossi had a cry about? Get real. All weekend, MM was saying he was having trouble with the front end on a full fuel load. He'd always planned to wait until the fuel load lightened before he could go hard. Of course he was gonna try and beat Rossi. Especially after Rossi's cry. Work it out man.

[Digitdion]

I wonder if Rossi had organised a meeting with Lyn Jarvis, Livio Suppo and Marquez on Thursday. Quiet, private and made his concerns known then and there a different outcome might have been achieved.

On reflection I feel kind of cheated out of a great battle.

The whole weekend was a slow motion meltdown for Rossi.

It ain't over till it's over

[bogan]

It ain't over till it's over

Speaking of which, once it was over, how come he pussied out of the press conference? If he'd come out, manned up and said it was a silly move, heat of the moment, frustration, etc, and apologised; I'd still be rooting for him next round. As it is, fuck the championship, go Danni!

[husaberg]

Speaking of which, once it was over, how come he pussied out of the press conference? If he'd come out, manned up and said it was a silly move, heat of the moment, frustration, etc, and apologised; I'd still be rooting for him next round. As it is, fuck the championship, go Danni!

He said it straight after the race to a tv camera.

[bogan]

He said it straight after the race to a tv camera.

Bullshit, he said he tried to slow Marquez down deliberately, and that it was unfortunate Marquez crashed. That ain't an apology, or even an acknowledgement he done any wrong.

[Brett]

Jerez 2013...MM punted JL right off the track. Kinda cheered at the time (I am still a big MM fan) but very similar to what VR did to MM. I think MM poked the bear and came off second best. He wanted an aggro race and got one. Vid is clear to see, he turned into Rossi. I think that Rossi got a bit hard done by in that there is blame on both sides, even if MM kept his nose clean (only just), so either both should be penalised or neither should be.

Will be screaming my lungs out even louder for Rossi at Valencia in 2 weeks. Hate the JL might win the title. Dani deserves it infinitely more IMO.

[Digitdion]

I've just watched the race again and Marquez was as clean as a whistle on Rossi. A legitimate race for the last position on the podium.

Rossi was ragged and dirty in the end. Complete mental breakdown.

I have never seen a top race like this where 2 riders are racing like there lives depend on it so early it the race. At the end for sure. But at the start where to me it looked like Rossi had the wood on Marguez for sure.
Marguez and Lorenzo are spoilt brats who show no respect.
Pedrosa shows respect. Rossi deserved respect.
Go the doctor.

[Brett]

Purposely running someone out into the marbles yes.

Is that dirty though? Or is it rather hard racing? MM had plenty of time to button off...or in fact slow and take the inside line out of the corner I think.

[bogan]

...or in fact slow and take the inside line out of the corner I think.

In terms of mind games, he'd be creaming it if he had managed to do that between rossi's head checks, and make a pass.

[J.A.W.]

Jerez 2013...MM punted JL right off the track. Kinda cheered at the time (I am still a big MM fan) but very similar to what VR did to MM. I think MM poked the bear and came off second best. He wanted an aggro race and got one. Vid is clear to see, he turned into Rossi. I think that Rossi got a bit hard done by in that there is blame on both sides, even if MM kept his nose clean (only just), so either both should be penalised or neither should be.


M-M is on record as stating that Flossi kicked his front brake lever, locking the front & causing the crash..

Vid shows this.. & the telemetry would confirm it.. Flossi's mana saved him from a black flag, & loss of race points..

If George fails to finish ( will his mill 'blow' like Ian's Ducati did, & like a factory Yamaha has done before), then its 10th Champ for the old bugger...

[husaberg]

Bullshit, he said he tried to slow Marquez down deliberately, and that it was unfortunate Marquez crashed. That ain't an apology, or even an acknowledgement he done any wrong.

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him saying it was unfortunate is the best you are going to get. He doesn't need to apologise Marquezes hit his bike not once but twice. the second hit on another bike resulted in him crashing the bike.
Marsqueeze according to to the race officials was lying to them about what he was trying to do.
Rossi said what he was doing immediately by running wide he never lied, never made up a story, yet Maqsqueeze according to the race officials did.

Mike webs statement.

Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino.

[nudemetalz]

Only a matter of time....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is that dirty though? Or is it rather hard racing? MM had plenty of time to button off...or in fact slow and take the inside line out of the corner I think.

Hard racing is sticking to the race track and doing your best to beat the other guy mate. It was a great dice between the two up to that point. Both of them asking and giving no quarter. How it should be. But seriously? But anyway...makes no matter what we think. The experts have said it deserved the penalty, so it must've right?

[bogan]

him saying it was unfortunate is the best you are going to get.

Which is absolutely not the apology I'd like to see

Also, lmao at J.A.W. viewing the thread, whats the matter mate, cat got your tongue :laugh:

[Digitdion]

Correct. Race direction have penalised Rossi for intentionally running MM out of track right? So the whole ignoring of the findings thing doesn't make sense sorry. Rossi did bad...he's been penalised. End of story really. And he's a VERY rich, lying, cheating dirty cunt that threw away the title. And will be forever remembered for doing so. A fitting end I'd say.

He did no throw away the championship. I do not have a crystal ball but with what was going on a very high chance if Marquez had not gone down it would have been Rossi or both of them. Marquez was on a mission, and it was not to win a championship.
The penalty to Rossi was fair. He is also better off points wise than he would have been if he had not the finished the race.
The officials got it right.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jerez 2013...MM punted JL right off the track. Kinda cheered at the time..

You mean like how Rossi punted Gibernau off at the very same corner?

[husaberg]

Which is absolutely not the apology I'd like to see

You are not going to get one no mater what you want to see.
Id like to see a one on one Lorrenzo vs Rossi 1 hour race by themselves winner takes all, it an't going to happen now is it.
Maybe we should get Karl foggerty's dad to race in the next race so he can do the same like his father did to Barry Sheene in the British GP.

[bogan]

You are not going to get one no mater what you want to see.

Then why tell me he had :facepalm: My point was he ain't got my respect anymore cos he didn't man up to it, kapeesh?

[Digitdion]

Bullshit, he said he tried to slow Marquez down deliberately, and that it was unfortunate Marquez crashed. That ain't an apology, or even an acknowledgement he done any wrong.

Nothing in the rules about having to apologise.

[husaberg]

Then why tell me he had :facepalm: My point was he ain't got my respect anymore cos he didn't man up to it, kapeesh?

He had gave all the explanation he needed to about the event straight away.

You are reading too much into what I wrote.


Speaking of which, once it was over, how come he pussied out of the press conference? If he'd come out, manned up and said it was a silly move, heat of the moment, frustration, etc, and apologised; I'd still be rooting for him next round. As it is, fuck the championship, go Danni!


He said it straight after the race to a tv camera.
No mention of an apology was in what I quoted. Have a look at where your question mark is, I answered your question quite clearly. Just not the answer you wanted.
You said that's what you wanted afterwards. I said he got from Rossi all he was going to about the event. He fronted up to the cameras said his piece.
Here's Karl Foggertys Dad fucking up a race result from a lap or two down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhg8MdMzCy4

[onearmedbandit]

Lol. Clutching at straws there Bro. I'm sure Rossi didn't need to go out to the grass at 30kph.

Not clutching at straws at all. No one in their right mind would suggest that what Rossi did was normal. But dirty? He was frustrated by what was deemed by RD at Marquez slowing the pace up and interfering in the championship.

[Digitdion]

I thought it was classic Marquez's dad was celebrating his son crashing out! That tells a story in itself.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But dirty? .

Absolutely 100%. And as I've said, Rossi did his best to fuck up his very own team mate at Montegi in 2010, when he had no chance of the title himself. Karma's a bitch sometimes.

Bit rich to moan about it when it comes back to bite you in the ass.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I thought it was classic Marquez's dad was celebrating his son crashing out! That tells a story in itself.

I think you're delusional.

[husaberg]

Nothing in the rules about having to apologise.

Yet in sports when you try and manipulate the results from what they should be if playing fair they have a name for it.
Pretty sure that's in the rule books for MotoGP.
Was Marsqueeze cheating? the race officials seem to have said they believe so. Yet nothing is done?

Mike webs statement.

Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino.

Can you not remember Doohan once ran Gobert off the track after Gobert tried the same shit on him. Nothing was done to Doohan about it, even though he freely admitted he had deliberately ran wide and given him no room as Gobert was acting like a twat while racing.

[GD66]

I noted yesterday before the stewards meeting that I was expecting a wet bus ticket at worst from the race director, but his explanation of the penalty is actually pretty well balanced, so well played.
Just that I recall Simo getting a black flag and the subsequent ride-through at Le Mans for cutting Dani's nose off (but not causing a crash) in a tight battle. Also there has been no mention of the penalty for missing a post-race press conference, they are normally pretty hot on missing that kind of PR propaganda spouting opportunity.

Got your message Oscar, good one !

[Crasherfromwayback]

I noted yesterday before the stewards meeting that I was expecting a wet bus ticket at worst from the race director, but his explanation of the penalty is actually pretty well balanced, so well played.
Just that I recall Simo getting a black flag and the subsequent ride-through at Le Mans for cutting Dani's nose off (but not causing a crash) in a tight battle. Also there has been no mention of the penalty for missing a post-race press conference, they are normally pretty hot on missing that kind of PR propaganda spouting opportunity.

Got your message Oscar, good one !

For (too) many years, Rossi's had it all his way. Wheels finally fell off.

[Brett]

You mean like how Rossi punted Gibernau off at the very same corner?

Gibernau was a bit of an annoying pillock :P . True. I guess motorcycle racing (motor racing in general) attracts A type personalities with hot tempers at times. These things do happen and will continue to. I know in go kart racing when guys have purposely blocked lines to stop me overtaking that I have "pushed hard" and gone with the "rubbing is racing" adage.

As you said, the decision is made, now we roll towards the next race.

[onearmedbandit]

M-M is on record as stating that Flossi kicked his front brake lever, locking the front & causing the crash..

Vid shows this.. & the telemetry would confirm it.. Flossi's mana saved him from a black flag, & loss of race points..

If George fails to finish ( will his mill 'blow' like Ian's Ducati did, & like a factory Yamaha has done before), then its 10th Champ for the old bugger...

Did you see the helicopter footage? How the hell did Rossi kick his front brake lever?

[Brett]

For (too) many years, Rossi's had it all his way. Wheels finally fell off.

Nah, don't agree. Rossi hasn't had it his way since he moved to Ducati IMO. The increased pressure firstly from Jorge and then Casey followed up by Marc has relegated him to just one of the riders, a big personality holding a lot of respect, but just another rider. I don't think he was given any extra credit for being Valentino Rossi, as he rightly shouldn't.

[Digitdion]

I think you're delusional.

Forgive me if I am wrong but it looked to me his Dad was happy. Not sad or Angry that his son bit the Tarmac.
And the body language from Rossi's pit was
" fuck, oh well Marquez got what he deserved"


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[Oscar]

Got your message Oscar, good one !

Oh that wasn't my opinion, that was given to me as an assessment by an experienced senior official with FIM accreditation.

[husaberg]

Then why tell me he had :facepalm: My point was he ain't got my respect anymore cos he didn't man up to it, kapeesh?

I gave you the exact quote. the exact quote bogan of what I said.
Speaking of manning up. do the Spanish kapeesh what is going to happen on home turf.
Tell the Honda boys no need to pack their boots the locals will sort them out for shoes.
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[bogan]

Nothing in the rules about having to apologise.

You were talking about respect earlier and how you think Rossi deserves it; Rossi lost mine cos he didn't apologise for what was clearly an unsportsmanlike move.

[pritch]

You were talking about respect earlier and how you think Rossi deserves it; Rossi lost mine cos he didn't apologise for what was clearly an unsportsmanlike move.

Only made after how many laps of dirty riding by Marquez? Rossi doesn't owe Marquez any sort of apology. He owes him a fucking good kicking. :whistle:

It would be karma if some maniac Italian punted George into the scenery at Jerez. He probably wouldn't make it out of the country in one piece though, so it'll be difficult to find a volunteer.

[Shaun Harris]

Oh that wasn't my opinion, that was given to me as an assessment by an experienced senior official with FIM accreditation.



And some of them are full of it also

[Digitdion]

One of the Ducati riders could take out Lorenzo early then Rossi will be champ. Rossi would not even have to finish.



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[Autech]

Seems to me reading this thread that those that have supported Marquez-farings (finally i came up with a nick name for him) will say that Rossi was dirty, those that have supported Rossi over the years will say that Marquez deserved it and that Rossi was just defending himself.

From my view it looked like fault on both sides, race direction and Rossi said MM was altering his pace to continue the battle with Rossi, Rossi warned Marquez prior to the incident with a hand gesture, MM didn't back off so he got taught a lesson from the true master. Seems like all was fair in love and war, Rossi has been penalised bad enough to perhaps cost him the championship. Marquez got punted for his trouble and didn't score any points.

Lets just say next years championship will be very interesting everytime they get near each other. Rossi has ruined careers before, I see him capable of doing the same to MM. He and MM will be fighting for 3rd whilst Dani and Lorenzo check out at the front :D

[Crasherfromwayback]

Only made after how many laps of dirty riding by Marquez? Rossi doesn't owe Marquez any sort of apology. He owes him a fucking good kicking. :whistle:

.

Mate, you'd complain if the racing was pedestrian. Until Rossi's brain fart, he and MM were having a fantastic ding dong of a scrap. My GF was on the edge of her seat and screaming! And even though she's new to the sport, she thought Rossi was a dirty cunt for that move.

[GD66]

Gibernau was a bit of an annoying pillock .





Good point. :yes:

[carbonhed]

Only made after how many laps of dirty riding by Marquez? Rossi doesn't owe Marquez any sort of apology. He owes him a fucking good kicking. :whistle:

It would be karma if some maniac Italian punted George into the scenery at Jerez. He probably wouldn't make it out of the country in one piece though, so it'll be difficult to find a volunteer.

Quite amusing that you're the guy that's always claiming that I need to open the other eye :laugh:

Maybe we could get some special "Vale only" overtaking lanes installed at every track? Unacceptable that he should be forced to battle when the other riders should be throwing rose petals to glorify his passing.

[bogan]

It would be karma if some maniac Italian punted George into the scenery at Jerez. He probably wouldn't make it out of the country in one piece though, so it'll be difficult to find a volunteer.

What did george do? Apart from whinging ofc.


Seems to me reading this thread that those that have supported Marquez-farings (finally i came up with a nick name for him) will say that Rossi was dirty, those that have supported Rossi over the years will say that Marquez deserved it and that Rossi was just defending himself.

Was a rossi supporter for many years mate.

[GD66]

I had a look at the lap charts, on laps 3 to 9 the spread was Pedrosa alone out front lapping between 2:00.8 and 2:01.7, Marquez 2:01.3 to 2:02.0, Rossi 2:01.1 to 2:01.9, so really considering all the white-knuckle passing and repassing that was going on Marquez "slowed the pace down" fuck-all.

Fastest race lap was Lorenzo 2:00.6 on lap 2.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I had a look at the lap charts, on laps 3 to 9 the spread was Pedrosa alone out front lapping between 2:00.8 and 2:01.7, Marquez 2:01.3 to 2:00.0, Rossi 2:01.1 to 2:01.9, so really considering all the white-knuckle passing and repassing that was going on Marquez "slowed the pace down" fuck-all.

Fastest race lap was Lorenzo 2:00.6 on lap 2.

Oi. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good old MM slap down!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Quite amusing that you're the guy that's always claiming that I need to open the other eye :laugh:

Maybe we could get some special "Vale only" overtaking lanes installed at every track? Unacceptable that he should be forced to battle when the other riders should be throwing rose petals to glorify his passing.

Lol. Exactly. And as far as the old...MM shouldn't dice when he's not part of the championship equation??? Fucking total bollocks.

[carbonhed]

Stole this off pistonheads.

I think Rossi's slow lap 5 is when he lost the front down at the apex and came within a gnats bollock hair of binning it all by himself.

The hand gestures and handbags started after that.

http://thumbsnap.com/s/AoCzsyk0.jpg

[pritch]

What did george do? Apart from whinging ofc.



He has got his little mate riding shotgun for him. Marquez was doing his level best to stop Rossi having a shot at racing Lorenzo. The championship fight was (is?) between Rossi and Lorenzo but Marquez is going out of his way to stop that happening. Presumably for the greater glory of Spain?

Oh and yeah, Lorenzo was a such a sad little whinger at the press conference.

[Brett]

Seems to me reading this thread that those that have supported Marquez-farings (finally i came up with a nick name for him) will say that Rossi was dirty, those that have supported Rossi over the years will say that Marquez deserved it and that Rossi was just defending himself.

From my view it looked like fault on both sides, race direction and Rossi said MM was altering his pace to continue the battle with Rossi, Rossi warned Marquez prior to the incident with a hand gesture, MM didn't back off so he got taught a lesson from the true master. Seems like all was fair in love and war, Rossi has been penalised bad enough to perhaps cost him the championship. Marquez got punted for his trouble and didn't score any points.

Lets just say next years championship will be very interesting everytime they get near each other. Rossi has ruined careers before, I see him capable of doing the same to MM. He and MM will be fighting for 3rd whilst Dani and Lorenzo check out at the front :D

That's why I find this one hard. I am a fan-boy of both of them!

[bogan]

He has got his little mate riding shotgun for him. Marquez was doing his level best to stop Rossi having a shot at racing Lorenzo. The championship fight was (is?) between Rossi and Lorenzo but Marquez is going out of his way to stop that happening. Presumably for the greater glory of Spain?

farkoff, that's just hearsay

[ellipsis]

farkoff, that's just hearsay

...and we know what the Spaniards do with hearetics...

[FROSTY]

ANYHOO-what is done is done.--and in a couple of years will be forgotten anyways.The results will be whats remembered.
SOOO whats now needed for VR 46 or JL 99 to win
Ok so difference is 7 points,
1st place = 25 points
2nd place = 20 points
3rd place = 16 points
4th place = 13 points
5th place = 11 points
6th place = 10 points
7th place = 9 points
8th place = 8 points
9th place = 7 points
10th place = 6 points
11th place = 5 points
12th place = 4 points
13th place = 3 points
14th place = 2 points
15th place = 1 points

So Lorenzo wins-Rossi needs second
Lorenzo second Rossi needs third to win and fourth to equal
Lorenzo third Rossi needs 6th to win 7th to draw.
Lorenzo 4th Rossi needs 9th to win and 10th to equal
-if its a draw they will go on race wins to decide it?

So I guess it comes down to will Marquez race to get a Honda 1 2 with Pedro's form and MM's odvious speed its possible.can't rule the ducks out either. Its going to be an interesting end to the season.

[husaberg]

He has got his little mate riding shotgun for him. Marquez was doing his level best to stop Rossi having a shot at racing Lorenzo. The championship fight was (is?) between Rossi and Lorenzo but Marquez is going out of his way to stop that happening. Presumably for the greater glory of Spain?


farkoff, that's just hearsay
You need to do some research Bogan.
Mike webs statement. You know the Mike Webb (MotoGP Race Director) its not hearsay it was in their ruling of events that lead to the crash.
while the motivation for him doing so is at best a presumption, to say it is heresay that he was not trying to effect the pace of the race is utterly wrong.

Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino.Mike Webb

[Autech]

That's why I find this one hard. I am a fan-boy of both of them!

Not me. I supported MM right up till Moto2 when he started doing that dangerous shit (crossing under brakes) and not getting punished for it because of his name.
He only won so easily last year as the only bike up to beating him was being ridden by someone with serious arm pump issues, not due to amazing talent, as he's shown this year an inability to adapt to a challenging bike. Yes he's hell on two wheels, but if he really was so greater rider why all the DNF's? He's just as good as any of the aliens.

Thats my thoughts on MM, brilliant yes, but no more brilliant than the others. He picked a fight with the wrong man yesterday and paid the price. I'm not out and out a Rossi fan either, but would rather him than Lozenger who looks a swarmy git!

[Digitdion]

Mate, you'd complain if the racing was pedestrian. Until Rossi's brain fart, he and MM were having a fantastic ding dong of a scrap. My GF was on the edge of her seat and screaming! And even though she's new to the sport, she thought Rossi was a dirty cunt for that move.

Yes the racing between Rossi and Marquez was awesome to watch. I am not surprised your girlfriend loved it. It was wild. But also irrational so early on in the race. Racing that close to the edge only happens close to the end of the race for a reason. It's way to risky. Marquez (and Lorenzo for that matter) need to stop being spoilt little shits.
I can see why Rossi is pissed off with Marquez.

[Autech]

ANYHOO-what is done is done.--and in a couple of years will be forgotten anyways.The results will be whats remembered.
SOOO whats now needed for VR 46 or JL 99 to win
Ok so difference is 7 points,
1st place = 25 points
2nd place = 20 points
3rd place = 16 points
4th place = 13 points
5th place = 11 points
6th place = 10 points
7th place = 9 points
8th place = 8 points
9th place = 7 points
10th place = 6 points
11th place = 5 points
12th place = 4 points
13th place = 3 points
14th place = 2 points
15th place = 1 points

So Lorenzo wins-Rossi needs second
Lorenzo second Rossi needs third to win and fourth to equal
Lorenzo third Rossi needs 6th to win 7th to draw.
Lorenzo 4th Rossi needs 9th to win and 10th to equal
-if its a draw they will go on race wins to decide it?

So I guess it comes down to will Marquez race to get a Honda 1 2 with Pedro's form and MM's odvious speed its possible.can't rule the ducks out either. Its going to be an interesting end to the season.

Yup if Dani and Marc lock down the front two spots rossi will win I think as he should be able to get a 6th ahead of the competition, any higher might be a big ask from the back of the grid. Will Marquez play ball after yesterday though? I probably wouldn't!
That and Lorenzo is guaranteed to be on pace, he's been brilliant all season so I don't see him settling for 2nd without a big fight with one of the Honda boys.

[Digitdion]

Yup if Dani and Marc lock down the front two spots rossi will win I think as he should be able to get a 6th ahead of the competition, any higher might be a big ask from the back of the grid. Will Marquez play ball after yesterday though? I probably wouldn't!
That and Lorenzo is guaranteed to be on pace, he's been brilliant all season so I don't see him settling for 2nd without a big fight with one of the Honda boys.

So we need someone to take out Lorenzo!

[Autech]

Just check, Lorenzo has DNF'd there a few times over a past few years with both Marquez and Pedrosa doing well.

So I'm going to be getting up to watch it live I think!

FIREWORKS!

[Brett]

So we need someone to take out Lorenzo!

Stranger things have happened. However, Jorge is an intelligent rider with some serious talent. Whining being one of them. He has an ability to ride hard, manage gaps well and responds well under pressure. I think that he is going to be supremely focused at Valencia and is going to be a difficult rival for Rossi.

[Brett]

Just check, Lorenzo has DNF'd there a few times over a past few years with both Marquez and Pedrosa doing well.

So I'm going to be getting up to watch it live I think!

FIREWORKS!

As stated before, rain would help Rossi. Will make it a shitty wet day for me sitting in the stands with a 3 month old and 2.5 year old...but oh well!!

[carbonhed]

As stated before, rain would help Rossi. Will make it a shitty wet day for me sitting in the stands with a 3 month old and 2.5 year old...but oh well!!

Well you'll see history being made that's for sure. In the eye of the storm. Cool.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes the racing between Rossi and Marquez was awesome to watch. I am not surprised your girlfriend loved it. It was wild. But also irrational so early on in the race. Racing that close to the edge only happens close to the end of the race for a reason. It's way to risky. .

WTF are you talking about man? Phillip Island mean anything to you? Some of THE most epic races have gone down there for every single fucking lap! Make the most of it.

[Rcktfsh]

Speaking of which, once it was over, how come he pussied out of the press conference? If he'd come out, manned up and said it was a silly move, heat of the moment, frustration, etc, and apologised; I'd still be rooting for him next round. As it is, fuck the championship, go Danni!


I noted yesterday before the stewards meeting that I was expecting a wet bus ticket at worst from the race director, but his explanation of the penalty is actually pretty well balanced, so well played.
Just that I recall Simo getting a black flag and the subsequent ride-through at Le Mans for cutting Dani's nose off (but not causing a crash) in a tight battle. Also there has been no mention of the penalty for missing a post-race press conference, they are normally pretty hot on missing that kind of PR propaganda spouting opportunity.

Got your message Oscar, good one !

Think you'll find the reason Rossi missed the press conference was due to him being in the Stewards room.

[Shaun Harris]

Think you'll find the reason Rossi missed the press conference was due to him being in the Stewards room.



Don't ruin a great story with facts dude

[Erelyes]

Mike webs statement.

How many more fucking times are you gonna post that quote?

[GD66]

Rossi "elected" to miss the post-race press conference, which was postponed until the hearing was completed. But don't let facts get in the way of guesswork.

[Badjelly]

...and annoying Marquez could just prove to be the dumbest thing he's ever done.

Ya reckon? But now second dumbest.

[BMWST?]

You are not going to get one no mater what you want to see.
Id like to see a one on one Lorrenzo vs Rossi 1 hour race by themselves winner takes all, it an't going to happen now is it.
Maybe we should get Karl foggerty's dad to race in the next race so he can do the same like his father did to Barry Sheene in the British GP.


He has got his little mate riding shotgun for him. Marquez was doing his level best to stop Rossi having a shot at racing Lorenzo. The championship fight was (is?) between Rossi and Lorenzo but Marquez is going out of his way to stop that happening. Presumably for the greater glory of Spain?

Oh and yeah, Lorenzo was a such a sad little whinger at the press conference.
So i suppose Dani is in on it too for having the temerity to beat VR into second place the other day??

The real thing which stands out to me is the rossi deliberately matched his pace to MM to prevent him cutting back in or going round the outside.Watch it,just before MM loses it he speeds up to try to go round VR.VR then gasses it up MM makes contact.I reckon VR was going to run MM onto the grass.
I used to be a VR fan.I lost ALL respect for him when he deliberately punted gibernau of the track.He was a guided missile. He hit Gibernau so hard Gibernau went off the track (where Jorge stayed on the track)Jorges line was also quite weird,its almost like he heard MM coming then realised he had left the door WIDE open.
Anyway thats my view and will be my last word on the subject.And just to remind you,Jlo passed Rossi clean as whistle under brakes,which is where Rossi is supposed to be so good.There is no doubt in my mind which guy has the outright pace!
99 for #1!

[Berries]

So I guess it comes down to will Marquez race to get a Honda 1 2 with Pedro's form and MM's odvious speed its possible.can't rule the ducks out either. Its going to be an interesting end to the season.
The only way there will be a Honda 1-2 will be if Lorenzo (or Rossi) has retired. I can't imagine MM will finish ahead of Lorenzo if it means means that Rossi would be world champion otherwise he risked his neck and reputation last night for nothing.


Apart from a bit of olé behind the donkey shed when they get back to Spain obviously.

[Oscar]

And some of them are full of it also

My comment related to the fact that Mr GD66 relies on an "experienced senior official" for his opinions.
Can't come up with one of his own apparently....

[Rcktfsh]

Rossi "elected" to miss the post-race press conference, which was postponed until the hearing was completed. But don't let facts get in the way of guesswork.

"Speaking in the Movistar Yamaha hospitality after missing the official press conference that follows the race because he was in an intense discussion with Race Direction" from crashnet.

[Shaun Harris]

"Speaking in the Movistar Yamaha hospitality after missing the official press conference that follows the race because he was in an intense discussion with Race Direction" from crashnet.



Bloody Lawyers, there ya go again man:msn-wink:

[Digitdion]

WTF are you talking about man? Phillip Island mean anything to you? Some of THE most epic races have gone down there for every single fucking lap! Make the most of it.

Malaysia was up another notch. Marquez in Malaysia was riding at the limit. He was ragged and taking risks. Phillip island was good fair racing.

[GD66]

My comment related to the fact that Mr GD66 relies on an "experienced senior official" for his opinions.
Can't come up with one of his own apparently....


Certainly got a confirmed one on you, mate.:tugger:

Move on, mate. My forecast was wide of the mark, which I subsequently acknowledged. Keep sledging me if you really feel the need, but that was yesterday...

[Shaun Harris]

Malaysia was up another notch. Marquez in Malaysia was riding at the limit. He was ragged and taking risks. Phillip island was good fair racing.


u will never win against Pete. He seriously dislikes Rossi

[husaberg]

Flash back to October 10, 2013 8:42pm
MotoGP world championship leader Marc Marquez has been handed a one-point penalty for his collision with team-mate October 10, 2013 8:42pm
The Spaniard was at the centre of controversy on his home circuit after a coming-together with Pedrosa that resulted in the latter crashing out.
Marquez went on to claim the race victory, extending his advantage over Yamaha's Jorge Lorenzo at the top of the world championship standings to 39 points.
However, after a review by MotoGP Race Control ahead of this weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix, Marquez has now been sanctioned.
Under MotoGP's penalty system, any rider reaching four penalty points starts the next race at the back of the grid.
Seven penalty points earns a pitlane start while a race ban is imposed for anyone who accumulates 10.
Marquez already had two penalty points for ignoring yellow flags during the warm-up at the British Grand Prix at Silverstone.
His Repsol Honda team were also stripped of their constructors' championship points for the race win.
"Marc has been penalised with one point on his license," confirmed Repsol Honda team principal Livio Suppo.
"That means there is no consequence for this race (in Malaysia). Basically, they said that in this particular case it was more or less okay, but they are taking Marc's whole season into consideration and he has been close to touching the rider in front of him on more than one occasion.
Marqsqueezes reaction

Aragon MotoGP: Marquez 'I just touched Pedrosa a little bit'

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Same year 2013 Marsqueese on Lorenzo from behind
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Marquez 'Zero intention to cause the accident' 2013 Hits Rossi from behind Agentina.
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During a media event in Barcelona, MotoGP champion Marc Marquez expanded slightly on his carefully worded comments after clashing with Valentino Rossi on the penultimate lap in Argentina.
The incident, which occurred moments after Marquez had lost the lead to Rossi, saw the Repsol Honda star clip the Italian's rear wheel and fall, leaving Rossi to claim his second win in three events.
“After viewing the race several times, I still stand by what I said in Argentina,” the official MotoGP website quotes Marquez as saying. “These things happen in racing, and you have to learn from it, and I am still young, so I have a lot of lessons to learn.”
Regarding the incident itself, Rossi felt Marquez made a mistake, while the Spaniard's only reference to the contact immediately after the race was to say “you saw on the video what happened.”


This is the very very funny.

[BMWST?]

Marqsqueezes reaction
that is a genuine racing incident.What is your point?

[Shaun Harris]

that is a genuine racing incident.What is your point?
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Agreed. Hardly a case of apples for apples

[husaberg]

that is a genuine racing incident.What is your point?


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Agreed. Hardly a case of apples for apples

You missed what it was, yet you said its genuine racing incident (BMWST own words.)
Yet that same year he (marsqueeze) managed to hit three separate riders, on three separate occasions all from behind.
Yet Rossi clips a few in 20 odd years and is fithy dirty.................
Anyone here think Honestly think Rossi intended to make Marqueze crash.

[Shaun Harris]

You missed what it was yet you said its genuine racing incident in BMWST own words.
Yet that same year he managed to hit three separate riders on three separate occasions all from behind
Yet Rossi clips a few in 20 odd years and is fithy dirty.................
Anyone here think Honestly think Rossi intended to make Marqueze crash.



Deffinately not!

[NAR RG500]

Does anyone remember how rough Lorenzo was on Pedrosa at Valencia I think it was in 2012? 2011? Lorenzo needed to win the race and was trying to slow the battle back so he could battle with Stoner who only needed to finish 6th or something, Lorenzo made some super rough passes on Dani in that race.

[bogan]

Here's a wee cheat sheet, racing incidents happen at the edge of the performance envelope (ie, racing). Can any of the Rossi supporters (left) honestly claim he was on the edge of that performance envelope?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Malaysia was up another notch. Marquez in Malaysia was riding at the limit. He was ragged and taking risks. Phillip island was good fair racing.

MM has always ridden that way. Fuck you're blind. Did you ever see Stoner racing? He too was ragged and on the limit. Bed Spies in his super bike winning season? So fucking what? Do you want to see a train set going round and round? Because it sure sounds like it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Does anyone remember how rough Lorenzo was on Pedrosa at Valencia I think it was in 2012? 2011? Lorenzo needed to win the race and was trying to slow the battle back so he could battle with Stoner who only needed to finish 6th or something, Lorenzo made some super rough passes on Dani in that race.

The Rossi fan bois have incredibly bad memories sorry.

[Leed]

this is all a figment of your imaginations
If any of this were true it would be on TV News, right?
real sports only feature 2 sides with 15 each
way to go TVNZ &TV3, no coverage, no net content, are the Dorklanders all asleep at the wheel.

[eldog]

this is all a figment of your imaginations
If any of this were true it would be on TV News, right?
real sports only feature 2 sides with 15 each
way to go TVNZ &TV3

thats why i dont watch much TV news and sport.

too many years of rugby and netball pushed down ya throat, sick of it.

The guys at work have learnt not to mention it to me as they know I am not the least bit interested. Good watching the bleary eyed turn up for work though.

but all this talk of Mbike racing has me slightly interested again, I tend to watch the highlights.

[Digitdion]

this is all a figment of your imaginations
If any of this were true it would be on TV News, right?
real sports only feature 2 sides with 15 each
way to go TVNZ &TV3, no coverage, no net content, are the Dorklanders all asleep at the wheel.

It was on the crowd goes wild! Now that's sports news and funny to!

[Digitdion]

MM has always ridden that way. Fuck you're blind. Did you ever see Stoner racing? He too was ragged and on the limit. Bed Spies in his super bike winning season? So fucking what? Do you want to see a train set going round and round? Because it sure sounds like it.

Yes I am blind and I ride a bike.
Take it easy fella!
I ain't talking about stoner or spies.
You are not the only one who is allowed an opinion bro!

[Oscar]

Certainly got a confirmed one on you, mate.:tugger:

Move on, mate. My forecast was wide of the mark, which I subsequently acknowledged. Keep sledging me if you really feel the need, but that was yesterday...

I was merely explaining my response to Shaun.
However good for you for thinking up an opinion of your very own...

[Brett]

It fucks me off how something pretty major happens in a sport but unless it is Rugby, Netball or Cricket (ok...throw in the odd V8 Supercars race or Rally as well then) it gets completely ignored. Oh no, "Rugby Favourite of the Season" ruptured their left testicle and is out for the next uber important training session. Fuck me days.

Anyway, sick of this debate. Rossi this, MM that. Race decision has made their call, the die is cast. Fuck all arguing on here is going to change that now. Rossi will either pull something out of the bag, Jorge will crash, or Jorge wins this season. Bad call, brilliant call it is irrelevant. Love Rossi, hate Rossi, love MM, hate MM...that is racing folks. Let's see how this season finishes up and I am DEAD SURE that it will have some interesting carry over into the 2016 season!

[Crasherfromwayback]

It fucks me off how something pretty major happens in a sport but unless it is Rugby, Netball or Cricket (ok...throw in the odd V8 Supercars race or Rally as well then) it gets completely ignored. Oh no, "Rugby Favourite of the Season" ruptured their left testicle and is out for the next uber important training session. Fuck me days.

Anyway, sick of this debate. Rossi this, MM that. Race decision has made their call, the die is cast. Fuck all arguing on here is going to change that now. Rossi will either pull something out of the bag, Jorge will crash, or Jorge wins this season. Bad call, brilliant call it is irrelevant. Love Rossi, hate Rossi, love MM, hate MM...that is racing folks. Let's see how this season finishes up and I am DEAD SURE that it will have some interesting carry over into the 2016 season!

Damn straight mate! But unless Rossi does pull something out of the hat...his chances of 10 titles have gone up in a haze of hate for MM. And you know what? After all of his love affairs that have ended in divorce over the years (Gibernau, Biaggi, Lorenzo, Stoner and now MM)...it's kinda funny really.

[badlieutenant]

http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-unsure-if-he-will-race-in-valencia-motogp-decider/
I hope Rossi does race regardless of the championship outcome.
I think Marc was out there to fuck with Rossi, which is legal. I think Rossi did run marc wide, which is legal. The penalty is for a crash caused by rossi. I really believe Rossi only intended to fuck with Marc not make him crash.
Despite what people say the video footage is not clear on the contact. Ive watched it few times today and if you try it with a biased view from both riders it looks like Rossi tapped Marc over with his leg, and from Rossi's point of view it looks like Marc drops down onto Rossi.
Its kinda like looking at one of those pictures where if you want you can see a vase or if you want you can see the profile of a human face. You cant see both at the same time.
From the link >>>
“I repeat myself; I’m sorry he crashed because I just wanted to annoy him.
“I have always been a fair rider; the first point on my licence I took at Misano for a small error in qualifying, even when I had not taken anything away from Lorenzo [who kept pole position despite being baulked by Rossi].”
that sounded like an apology for the crash.....

[Gremlin]

I'm a fan of Rossi, easy to admit that.

Marquez likes to tussle or dog fight like Rossi. Stoner and sort of Lorenzo don't - they like their lines, nothing unexpected thrown into the mix like rain.

Based on previous results, Marquez runs someone off track... He says, ah, that's racing. He gets run off track, or comes out second best he whines like such a bitch he makes Stoner seem tame.

Ultimately, that's racing. How many riders during a race have pushed a rival wide or closed the door? How many run wide trying to get underneath during braking? If you want to get that close to another (and in this one, try leaning on them), and be on the outside, you'd have to be fucken stupid to think you were going to come out better off.

Rossi better be throwing a short term tanty and race at Valencia. Looks far worse to me if he pouts and throws away a season because he didn't like one call. You keep fighting to the end... to many variables to say anything is certain.

[carbonhed]

Of course Flossi will be racing in Valencia. Fucking drama queen.

[jasonu]

It fucks me off how something pretty major happens in a sport but unless it is Rugby, Netball or Cricket (ok...throw in the odd V8 Supercars race or Rally as well then) it gets completely ignored. Oh no, "Rugby Favourite of the Season" ruptured their left testicle and is out for the next uber important training session. Fuck me days.
!

Only a dreamer would think NZ TV would give more than a slight mention to motorcycling racing during the RWC, not to mention the C. Cairns case.
I was hoping the AB's would loose to SA last week just to see the whole country (except for the 30 or so motorcycling fans) go into morning.
Go the Wallabies!!!!!

[denill]

Damn straight mate! But unless Rossi does pull something out of the hat...his chances of 10 titles have gone up in a haze of hate for MM. And you know what? After all of his love affairs that have ended in divorce over the years (Gibernau, Biaggi, Lorenzo, Stoner and now MM)...it's kinda funny really.

On the PI cool down lap VR shook MM's hand and applauded him! Then slated him on Thursday. The mask slipped.............

[Crasherfromwayback]

On the PI cool down lap VR shook MM's hand and applauded him! Then slated him on Thursday. The mask slipped.............

For sure. The Rossi everyone thinks he is vs the real one.

[denill]

Further, did Rossi not consider that if MM was riding for JL he would have followed him to the line?

[denill]

For sure. The Rossi everyone thinks he is vs the real one.

Rossi likes to win, but he also likes to sell caps to the worshippers he's cultivated.

[J.A.W.]

this is all a figment of your imaginations
If any of this were true it would be on TV News, right?
real sports only feature 2 sides with 15 each
way to go TVNZ &TV3, no coverage, no net content, are the Dorklanders all asleep at the wheel.


Yeah, this is actually pretty funny. the ABC TV news last night showed the clip & made it clear, Rossi was pinged for dirty play, viz: a kick that KO'd M-M..

[FROSTY]

Hey guys Im all for a bit of argy bargy. The whole MM is dirty or VR is dirty or Pedro's a has been etc adds a different dimension to the racing I guess. Our heros and Villains. -hey all good. fill yer boots I say.
But when we are talking about the actions of a rider ANY rider deliberately putting someones actual LIFE in danger then I say its a step to far.

[Oscar]

Rossi likes to win, but he also likes to sell caps to the worshippers he's cultivated.

Rossi also makes MM's T-Shirts.

[Kiwi Graham]

My take on this whole sorry saga is MM was clearly fucking up Vales race with some high risk overtakes and Vale was doing the same to try and stay in contention with the guy he was trying to race Horhay.
The un-writen rule is you don't fuck with the riders fighting for the championship.....MM did and got the big learn for it.

Bring on two weeks time when all will be done and dusted. If Vale makes it from the back to score enough points for the win, awesome.

[pritch]

Rossi also makes MM's T-Shirts.

True. And that's why neither of them take the number 1 plate, it makes all the T shirts and hats outdated. Clever marketing. Of course if there isn't a watertight contract MM might start considering another merchandising company.

[Badjelly]

Of course if there isn't a watertight contract MM might start considering another merchandising company.

Nah, he wouldn't want to mess with that. It's business: way more serious and important than racing.

[Oscar]

A good take, in my opinion:

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/for-the-sake-of-a-petulant-child.1101822/


Is hard riding and the accompanying hard pass part of racing? Yes. Has Vale practiced both during his career? No doubt...just ask Sete, or Casey, or Jorge, or...fill in a name. But there is a small universe of separation between carving somebody up a bit for race position, and doing the same because you are a petulant child who would be perfectly happy to burn the sport down...so long as you could then be King of the Ashes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The un-writen rule is you don't fuck with the riders fighting for the championship.....MM did and got the big learn for it.

Bring on two weeks time when all will be done and dusted. If Vale makes it from the back to score enough points for the win, awesome.

So am I to assume that unwritten rule (like so many others), doesn't apply to Rossi? Because, in 2010, Rossi traded paint and near ran his very own team mate off the track at Montegi, when he (Rossi) had no chance whatsoever for the title, when his team mate was trying to win it. Or is your memory just shit?

Anyway, Rossi may well continue his cry and not turn up.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151026a16.htm

[5150]

I guess the question is who needs who the most? Does Rossi need Moto Gp as much as Moto Gp needs Rossi? If Rossi retires, there goes a fair chunk of marketing and sponsorship with him. Not saying Moto Gp would not survive without Rossi, but they would definitely feel their pockets getting lighter

[EJK]

That awkward moment when Dani handsomely won the race by clean pole to finish (Lorenzo couldn't even touch him over 20 laps) but gets no coverage nor attention.

Poor Dani :(

[Shaun Harris]

So am I to assume that unwritten rule (like so many others), doesn't apply to Rossi? Because, in 2010, Rossi traded paint and near ran his very own team mate off the track at Montegi, when he (Rossi) had no chance whatsoever for the title, when his team mate was trying to win it. Or is your memory just shit?

Anyway, Rossi may well continue his cry and not turn up.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151026a16.htm



you are just as bad as the people you once slagged for there slagging of stoner dude, an axe to grind by any chance

[denill]

you are just as bad as the people you once slagged for there slagging of stoner dude, an axe to grind by any chance

Are you going to argue with: <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151025rydernotes.htm>Julian Ryder's summation?</A>

[Crasherfromwayback]

you are just as bad as the people you once slagged for there slagging of stoner dude, an axe to grind by any chance

No Shaun. I simply asked Kiwigraham if the same rules apply to all. A fair enough question I would've thought no? So you can answer it for him if you like? If it's an unwritten rule, that you shouldn't race against guys for the championship if you're not in the running, did that particular unwritten rule not apply to Rossi? If so...why go giving MM shit for it?

[Autech]

That awkward moment when Dani handsomely won the race by clean pole to finish (Lorenzo couldn't even touch him over 20 laps) but gets no coverage nor attention.

Poor Dani :(

Better to fly under the radar and smoke em all next round I say. Pedrosa champion 2016 :headbang: