North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[GravelRashKid]

I'm skipping tonight as I'm bikeless this week :(

[Juniper]

sorry my dads in town.

[newbie2012]

See you guys at the Shell at Westgate this evening

[TheDemonLord]

sorry my dads in town.

And you aren't bringing him along?!?

[TheDemonLord]

Was a nice ride for the GSX650FU owners club - and we have discovered there is a fire at Bar Africa and it is amazing

[GravelRashKid]

Haha, you've been spoilt! So we'll be inside now until the return of balmy summer evenings?

[p.dath]

Haha, you've been spoilt! So we'll be inside now until the return of balmy summer evenings?

The fire is outside, but on the opposite side we usually sit on. It is in the under cover area. It was primo.

[Juniper]

I will be there tonight!!!

[The Reibz]

I won't. Been absent alot as of late due to various other commitments and lifestyle changes.
Will make a conservative effort to try and get along next week

[GravelRashKid]

I'll be there tonight

[DanielM8]

I'll be at the bar

[angle]

A good article on the eternal topic of safety gear. I personally like this particular extract: "The very act of riding without motorcycle gear is so ridiculous that it serves to demonstrate a total lack of comprehension about what it's like to operate a bike with skill, what it's like to spend a lifetime on two wheels, the effect weather has on the human body and even compromises their ability to control and operate the motorcycle itself. You are not able to fully appreciate your motorcycle unless you are wearing gear. "

http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-motorcycle-sa-1596858706

[Juniper]

whose keen tonight? Looks like good weather!

[The Reibz]

I'll be along for a sniff

[GSeX]

Cool I'll go

[p.dath]

Why not. I feel knackered, but need some outside time.

[TheDemonLord]

Was fun last night - definitely good to get some emergency braking practice on the new bike and feeling the rear get all squirmy.

At some point though would love to try some pillioning on the back of my bike (but prob won't be along for the next couple of weeks

[Juniper]

Was fun last night - definitely good to get some emergency braking practice on the new bike and feeling the rear get all squirmy.

At some point though would love to try some pillioning on the back of my bike (but prob won't be along for the next couple of weeks

Make sure you either get a good one or a really light one.

[p.dath]

Alas I wont be along tonight. I have had very little sleep and don't want to risk riding.

[Juniper]

Nooooooooo. Theres this chicky on a new ex300 that I've convinced to come along.


Who else is coming?

[MarkW]

Me

Meet you at Albany

[GSeX]

Yep coming on the ride

[Juniper]

I'll meet at carpark.

[GSeX]

Is anybody going on the ride??

[Juniper]

I'm sure mark and Brian will be

[p.dath]

Alas for the second week in a row I wont be able to make it. I'm too sick this week.

[Juniper]

Nooooo. Hope you feel better soon.

I'm in. and hoping some chickies come along too.

We can continue what Mark W was covering off last week?

[GSeX]

I'm going, though on a smaller bike as the GSX is down for maintenance

[GravelRashKid]

I'm keen. I may be too late for the ride, but definitely be doing the carpark.
Let's try the U-turns from a standing start... That sounds hard!

[The Reibz]

Breathhold and pool training to night so I can be there

[angle]

I've an idea for tomorrow's session. We can work on turning i.e. leaning the bike to the desired angle quickly and safely.

[p.dath]

It's been two weeks since I have been, and I'm looking forward to being there tonight! Still not completely well, but much better than I was. I've been missing being on the bike.

[GSeX]

Woohoo Phil's back. Bringing the GSX if I can get this damn chain on in time

[GravelRashKid]

Hey guys, gonna miss my last NASS before China :(
Doing dinner with my brother's family this Wed :)

[p.dath]

Hey guys, gonna miss my last NASS before China :(
Doing dinner with my brother's family this Wed :)

What are you doing in China? How long are you going for?

你这是在中国做什么？你多久去了？
Nǐ zhè shì zài zhōngguó zuò shénme? Nǐ duōjiǔ qùle?

[GravelRashKid]

What are you doing in China? How long are you going for?

你这是在中国做什么？你多久去了？
Nǐ zhè shì zài zhōngguó zuò shénme? Nǐ duōjiǔ qùle?

Nin hau. (That's my vocabulary exhausted)
Going to Qingdao (between Beijing and Shangai) to work in the F&P plant for four weeks.
Really excited and scared shitless. I've worked in Australia before...

[The Reibz]

Qingdao is a good run.
Houses the biggest brewery in China. Couple of good knock off markets but no one speaks any english at all there.
Macas and KFC are pretty good

Was up there in 2009 for the 40th aniversery of the PLA(N)

[angle]

Going to Qingdao (between Beijing and Shangai) to work in the F&P plant for four weeks.
Don't lie, Brian. We all know you're going to Shangai to party Ming and Qing style by the Jinmao Tower!

[Juniper]

Meet you guys at car park. Got a CBR1000 coming to look at the room.

[p.dath]

Meet you guys at car park. Got a CBR1000 coming to look at the room.

Ye hah. Remember, speak nicely to it. It won't respond to being treated like a tramp.

[5ive]

Finally have a free Wednesday night and I need to fill up the bike, so I'm going to head to Westgate to do it around 6.30pm and see if there are any bikes around.

Yell out if you see an orange Kawasaki :)

[DanielM8]

Ye hah. Remember, speak nicely to it. It won't respond to being treated like a tramp.

You left your balls at the bar - I'll bring them next week.

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[Big Dog]

You left your balls at the bar - I'll bring them next week.

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I didn't think it was that cold tonight?

[p.dath]

You left your balls at the bar - I'll bring them next week.

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Thanks Daniel.

[TheDemonLord]

Might try and come along this week - been hella busy with work!

[GSeX]

Anybody going tonight? Shouldn't be raining too much but going for the ride either way :scooter:

[p.dath]

Anybody going tonight? Shouldn't be raining too much but going for the ride either way :scooter:

I quite enjoyed the night in the end. Something about a fire that is good for the spirit.

[5ive]

...or it was probably something to do with the unburnt gas from the "fire" :msn-wink:

[angle]

...or it was probably something to do with the unburnt gas from the "fire" :msn-wink:
... or leaky tyres filled with nitrogen :eek:

[p.dath]

Who's joining me tonight?

[Juniper]

Seriously missing you guys :(

[5ive]

Who's joining me tonight?

I'll be there.

[TheDemonLord]

we should just go direct to the pub

[GSeX]

Nah man going riding :P

[Juniper]

I'm coming. meet you at the carpark.

Will tell you all about my trip to Wellington!!

[TheDemonLord]

Won't be making it tonight - The wife is 30 - apparently its some form of big deal?

[p.dath]

I haven't seen outside for many hours but hopefully the weather is a bit better. Hope to see everyone tonight!

[DanielM8]

I haven't seen outside for many hours but hopefully the weather is a bit better. Hope to see everyone tonight!

Couple of grey clouds left, but sun shining where I am. I'll be there.

[p.dath]

Alas I wont be able to make it along tonight due to work commitments.

[MarkW]

Alas I wont be able to make it along tonight due to work commitments.

So, as I'm in town tonight I'll be at the Albany car park by about 7.30pm.

[p.dath]

So, as I'm in town tonight I'll be at the Albany car park by about 7.30pm.

That's great news!

[5ive]

I won't be able to make it tonight either, my wife is in Christchurch for the week and I don't think I'd have much fun on four wheels or having a carseat strapped to the back of the bike.

Have fun though, will be there next week.

[GravelRashKid]

I'll be at the carpark tonight (it's soooo good to be back on the bike!)

[DanielM8]

Who's coming along for the ride tonight? Weather looks good for it.

[ft.jd]

Who's coming along for the ride tonight? Weather looks good for it.

Yea ill be there

[p.dath]

It is such a wonderful night, but I don't think I'll be able to make it. The school holidays will prevent me from escaping.

[GravelRashKid]

I'll have to pass this time sorry. Hopefully next week...

[angle]

It is such a wonderful night, but I don't think I'll be able to make it. The school holidays will prevent me from escaping.
So, your kids don't let you ride... You should bring them along next time, we'll discipline them for you and teach them how to march (a very valuable life skill) in the process:Police:

I'll have to pass this time sorry. Hopefully next week...
I hope you have an unbearable burning sensation of shame swelling up inside you:devil2:

[Juniper]

I hope you have an unbearable burning sensation of shame swelling up inside you:devil2:

He does, but I don't think its got anything to do with riding!!:facepalm:

[Juniper]

Yes, No, Maybe?

[TheDemonLord]

possibly maybe

[GravelRashKid]

Bugger. Have to work tonight. :(

[TheDemonLord]

At Albany now

[GravelRashKid]

I'm on for tonight, even if it's snowing!

[Juniper]

Not me tonight. Think I'll be in Taupo.

[p.dath]

I plan to be there. Please let there be good weather. I feel like a longer ride.

[GravelRashKid]

I plan to be there. Please let there be good weather. I feel like a longer ride.

A longer ride might be nice. Be good to finally catch up with everyone, next week I'll be in China again...

[angle]

I plan to be there. Please let there be good weather. I feel like a longer ride.
I have performed a medium ritual sacrifice (no animals were hurt) backed up by an abstract trance dance in order to ensure that Brian's wishes of snow do not eventuate. Might have overdone it a bit.

[MarkW]

It just so happens that I am in Auckland this week AND on a motorcycle as well. So, all being well I'll be at Z Westgate just before 7pm on Wednesday. If anyone wants anything in particular covered that evening please bring the suggestion with you.

[DanielM8]

It just so happens that I am in Auckland this week AND on a motorcycle as well. So, all being well I'll be at Z Westgate just before 7pm on Wednesday. If anyone wants anything in particular covered that evening please bring the suggestion with you.

See you there tonight :) Weather looks good.

[Juniper]

See you soon then

[angle]

A good turn out yesterday. Thank you very much for coming, Mark. I wish you could come along more often :)

[p.dath]

I wont be along tonight.

[Juniper]

Allergic to rain?

[Stryke]

So just two people tonight eh?
Weather was fine, ride was good.

[DanielM8]

So just two people tonight eh?
Weather was fine, ride was good.

Was in the garage tinkering - got a new bike. You'll understand ;)

[Juniper]

Yes, No, Maybe?

I'm bringing some fireworks!!

[GSeX]

Fireworks! Would love to go along but got a bbq and fireworks planned

[GravelRashKid]

I'll be there. Wahoo, fireworks!

[Stryke]

Ill be along, I need a ride tonight.

[p.dath]

The forecast is for hail tonight. I'm not so keen. What about you guys?

[Juniper]

Yeah Nah.....

[DanielM8]

Was really keen on a ride tonight ... but not in this weather! Will just wait until the weekend, I think..

[GSeX]

Haven't been in a while and missing the NASS crew but not in this weather :(

[GravelRashKid]

Pack of softies!
Purely because no one else is going, then I won't either [fingers crossed behind back].

There will be riding this weekend, given I'm away for another month.
Playday at Hamptons this Saturday!!

[angle]

Playday at Hamptons this Saturday!!

I'm going to a funeral of a motorcyclist this Saturday... Died this Monday when he drifted over to the right side of the road in a corner and had a head on with a 4WD... DON'T PUSH YOUR BIKE BEYOND YOUR OWN CAPABILITIES!!!

P.S. I won't be along next week as I will be away from Auckland.

[TheDemonLord]

I went for a lovely ride along the NASS route at around 7 last night - I had fun and weather was fine....

Pansies....

[Juniper]

Yes, No, Maybe?

We might see you guys there at the carpark..... depends if pork crackling cooks in time.

[GSeX]

Yeep :scooter:

[MarkW]

Looks like I'll be in the big city again, and on the trusty Honda whale as well. If some one brings some tennis balls and the weather is fine any one want to have a go at some counter steering exercises?

[Maha]

Sounds like a racquet to me..:corn:

[Big Dog]

Sounds like a racquet to me..:corn:

I bet they have a ball.


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[Mongolian]

I will be heading down tonight, Could do with improving my skills on the new bike

[angle]

I should be there tonight also.


I will be heading down tonight, Could do with improving my skills on the new bikeThe intrigue! I bet it's a gixer :yes:

[Juniper]

I'm sitting my restricted tomorrow morning *eep* so would like to cover off stuff that will be in there!

[haydes55]

I'm sitting my restricted tomorrow morning *eep* so would like to cover off stuff that will be in there!


Good luck! Excited?

Don't stress too much, you have enough skill and experience to pass with ease. Relax and be smooth.

If I remember rightly, you will need to practice u turns, make sure you exaggerate head checks and get the give way rules right. It's just an ordinary ride, with some guy stalking you.

Best of luck, only a year (CBTA?) til you get your full then!

[Big Dog]

I'm sitting my restricted tomorrow morning *eep* so would like to cover off stuff that will be in there!
Quick tip from an examiner I got was put a contrasting sticker near but not on the middle of the back of your helmet. He used to issue coloured or white avery folder labels to those who did not have already.
Washes off easily but it makes head movements really visible from much further back.



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[p.dath]

I'm sitting my restricted tomorrow morning *eep* so would like to cover off stuff that will be in there!

About time!!!

[5ive]

I'm sitting my restricted tomorrow morning *eep* so would like to cover off stuff that will be in there!

Good luck!

[TheDemonLord]

I'm sitting my restricted tomorrow morning *eep* so would like to cover off stuff that will be in there!

Speed Control, U-Turns, Head Checks, Hazard awareness, And not trying to get your knee down on roundabouts.

[Stryke]

Ill be along tonight.

For your restricted: make sure the ear piece is properly in your ear, don’t make any wrong turns, don’t scrape your pegs and don’t double the recommended speed for corners on the open road.

[Mongolian]

I should be there tonight also.

The intrigue! I bet it's a gixer :yes:

that damn picture makes it far to obvious doesn't it.

[Big Dog]

that damn picture makes it far to obvious doesn't it.

Or the fact you are trying to hide it...

[Mongolian]

Or the fact you are trying to hide it...

yeh thought it might be fun for a while to see if anyone could guess it.

[Juniper]

I passed!!!! I fucking passed!!!!

[shah]

nice, confident counter-steering exercise last evening, guys.

great to see nass co-founder MarkW there too.

meantime, i'd like to take this opportunity to thank Phil Dath for taking it upon himself to keep the group together. your dedication is appreciated, ol' chap. although i've been absent for months, i must say i had always looked forward to this weekly event from the first day i took up riding again after a 15-year break. that was nearly 6 years ago.

[shah]

I passed!!!! I fucking passed!!!!

...congratulations!

[angle]

that damn picture makes it far to obvious doesn't it.
It's a beautiful bike, will give you a tonne of enjoyment!

I passed!!!! I fucking passed!!!!
Congratulations! I cannot condone the swearing though, NASS is a place of civility and good manners.

[p.dath]

I passed!!!! I fucking passed!!!!

Yehah, at last! 12 more months and your replacement motorcycle options will open up. Time to get a job and start saving!!!

[Ninjacookie]

Hi all, new around here and got pointed to this thread - took a while to figure out what nass and sass rides meant though!

Definitely keen to join in the fun!

But uhhh... Despite having lived in Auckland almost a decade, I don't know where either of the meeting places are! And Google maps is pointing me somewhere in the USA!

Anyone have a decent address I can plug into the GPS to find the meeting spots?

[MarkH]

But uhhh... Despite having lived in Auckland almost a decade, I don't know where either of the meeting places are! And Google maps is pointing me somewhere in the USA!

Anyone have a decent address I can plug into the GPS to find the meeting spots?

Shell Westgate:
http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035140-z-massey-north

[Ninjacookie]

Hey! I accidentally found that Z station riding today!! I might even be able to find it again without GPS too!

[steviepnz]

Hey! I accidentally found that Z station riding today!! I might even be able to find it again without GPS too!

That's two of us on Inazumas then ... now just have to try and make it there on a Wednesday evening!

[p.dath]

...
But uhhh... Despite having lived in Auckland almost a decade, I don't know where either of the meeting places are! And Google maps is pointing me somewhere in the USA!

Anyone have a decent address I can plug into the GPS to find the meeting spots?

Did you put "New Zealand" in the address?

[The Reibz]

I'll be around tomorrow evening. Need to drop P.Dath's book back off to him

[Ninjacookie]

Did you put "New Zealand" in the address?

Actually, yes. But I figured out why - it's because I had everything set to when I was in the states last. Nevertheless, I could find that Z station again - with perhaps only one or two "unplanned detours" on the way!

[GSeX]

See you there tomorrow with hopefully the same weather as today!

[p.dath]

I'll be around tomorrow evening. Need to drop P.Dath's book back off to him

And stay afterwards I hope. :)

[DanielM8]

Sounds like a good turnout! I'll be there.


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[Juniper]

Well myself, Scott, Zippo and another will be there tonight.

Might someone want to ring the bar and request them to stay open?

How many people would be eating a meal? (more than just chippies)

[angle]

Should we go for a longer ride tonight?

[GSeX]

Should we go for a longer ride tonight?

+1 for that idea

[Juniper]

I will have rather strong words for the cunt that takes us along ridge road again.

[GSeX]

I will have rather strong words for the cunt that takes us along ridge road again.

There's an idea ;)

[angle]

There's an idea ;)
Ridge Road sounds like a great option. It's not too long so we'll have time to do some stuff in the car park and it's twisty enough to be enjoyable and let one work on conering at slow speeds (looking where you want to go, working the throttle, being relaxed and getting the right lines). I vote for Ridge Road too.

I will have rather strong words for the cunt that takes us along ridge road again.
I don't think it will necessarily be a woman (it'll most probably be Phil). Stop being sexist! :nono:

[DanielM8]

Ridge Road sounds like a great option. It's not too long so we'll have time to do some stuff in the car park and it's twisty enough to be enjoyable and let one work on conering at slow speeds (looking where you want to go, working the throttle, being relaxed and getting the right lines). I vote for Ridge Road too.

I don't think it will necessarily be a woman (it'll most probably be Phil). Stop being sexist! :nono:

+1 for Ridge Road. Sounds good


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[Juniper]

I don't see what people's obsession with that road is. It's dangerous. It's covered in pine needles and has driveways up the entire length. It's the only road I've seen with a 30km speed limit that's not temporary.

NASS is meant for learner riders and that is not a learner route at all. The guy that's coming along with Scott has only been riding his bike for a month, and not sure if he's even taken it on the motorway yet!!

There are 6 other evenings a week you could take that road if you so like, so why choose it on a NASS night that is designed and intended for learner riders. It's like if I wanted to go for a high speed blat I wouldn't expect to do so at NASS.

I for one will not be taking it. And will be taking the customary route to the carpark to practice slow speed skills, which is generally the intended reason people come to NASS.

[nzspokes]

So L platers are not allowed to learn how to ride a harder road?

[buggerit]

I don't see what people's obsession with that road is. It's dangerous. It's covered in pine needles and has driveways up the entire length. It's the only road I've seen with a 30km speed limit that's not temporary.

NASS is meant for learner riders and that is not a learner route at all. The guy that's coming along with Scott has only been riding his bike for a month, and not sure if he's even taken it on the motorway yet!!

There are 6 other evenings a week you could take that road if you so like, so why choose it on a NASS night that is designed and intended for learner riders. It's like if I wanted to go for a high speed blat I wouldn't expect to do so at NASS.

I for one will not be taking it. And will be taking the customary route to the carpark to practice slow speed skills, which is generally the intended reason people come to NASS.

Sounds ok if you ride it at your own pace, its fine, day light and plenty of stuff to practice your observational skills and low speed
cornering, a good mental hurdle for you too by the sounds, just think it through before u start and ride your own ride.

[nzspokes]

ride your own ride.

Exactly. Those that don't end up in the hedge.

[TheDemonLord]

I might be along - have no problem with whether its a Knee Scraping Tight n Twisty road (to teach learners how corner on the open road properly) or the usual jaunt along Riverhead.

[Maha]

Sounds ok if you ride it at your own pace, its fine, day light and plenty of stuff to practice your observational skills and low speed
cornering, a good mental hurdle for you too by the sounds, just think it through before u start and ride your own ride.

Ridge road is great and probably has the most bends for any road of that length (not a lot of straight bits). Pine needles are more evident on Paremoremo road and only ''dangerous'' when it's wet.

[Juniper]

People seem to have this misconception that any road is learner friendly if done slow enough. But as a learner I can tell you that is not true. My first 25 scared the bejesus out of me and I grandmaed it around it.

You can learn to corner properly on a laned road that's big enough for you and another car coming the other way. Peak and Old North are perfectly fine with their 35's and 45's well posted and wide enough to cater for cars coming the opposite direction.

[buggerit]

People seem to have this misconception that any road is learner friendly if done slow enough. But as a learner I can tell you that is not true. My first 25 scared the bejesus out of me and I grandmaed it around it.

You can learn to corner properly on a laned road that's big enough for you and another car coming the other way. Peak and Old North are perfectly fine with their 35's and 45's well posted and wide enough to cater for cars coming the opposite direction.

You cant always know what you are going to encounter on rides on new roads,who cares if you nana around a corner, its
part of learning, sometimes you just have to extend yourself a little more than you may like to improve and gain confedence.
Lets see you put your low speed car park practice to use,you CAN do it.

[Braden]

What is the current meeting spot?
Pretty keen to do something with this weather.

[nzspokes]

People seem to have this misconception that any road is learner friendly if done slow enough. But as a learner I can tell you that is not true. My first 25 scared the bejesus out of me and I grandmaed it around it.

You can learn to corner properly on a laned road that's big enough for you and another car coming the other way. Peak and Old North are perfectly fine with their 35's and 45's well posted and wide enough to cater for cars coming the opposite direction.

In riding NZ roads there are many that have the traits you mention. Maha is right in saying that there is no problem with the road. If you are getting frights then look at your road position and observation. Stay out wider and look through the corner before tipping in.

[p.dath]

Check out the first post.

[Big Dog]

In riding NZ roads there are many that have the traits you mention. Maha is right in saying that there is no problem with the road. If you are getting frights then look at your road position and observation. Stay out wider and look through the corner before tipping in.

All well and good once you have the principles of riding down. I personally would not take an absolute learner to a road that technical.

I rode worse when I was learning how to ride. I have never turned back from a road because of condition or difficulty. I survived. That does not mean the best way to learn how to swim is chuck someone off the Waiheke ferry rabidly shouting "swim Forrest, swim".

When I used to lead this ride I took people down that road a few times.
When all riders present knew what was ahead and agreed they had the skills and experience that they were confident to go.

Usually people who had at least done emergency braking and cornering drills and had a briefing on lane position an sight lines.


Some of those corners are a very bad place to learn you don't know about lane position or sight lines. Or worse that you do t know how to emergency brake.

All depends on the skill of the learner. Some who have not done their first thousand k I would. Not many.


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[Juniper]

In riding NZ roads there are many that have the traits you mention. Maha is right in saying that there is no problem with the road. If you are getting frights then look at your road position and observation. Stay out wider and look through the corner before tipping in.

Have you seen the 30km part of ridge road? There is no staying wide as the 2 way road Is the same width as a single western motorway lane.

I do not think it an appropriate road for the level of riders that NASS often attracts. As in people riding less than a month.
As I have already said there are other roads with suitably tight corners that are safer for a learning environment.

[Braden]

Check out the first post.

I take it you were talking to me? Doesn't really say

Where: Meet at Shell Westgate or Albany Noel Lemming Carpark (Check thread for updates)

[Mongolian]

I take it you were talking to me? Doesn't really say

Where: Meet at Shell Westgate or Albany Noel Lemming Carpark (Check thread for updates)


Hi Braden,

The meeting point is Z westgate

[Braden]

Hi Braden,

The meeting point is Z westgate

Great, Thanks.

[Pound]

Have you seen the 30km part of ridge road? There is no staying wide as the 2 way road Is the same width as a single western motorway lane.

I do not think it an appropriate road for the level of riders that NASS often attracts. As in people riding less than a month.
As I have already said there are other roads with suitably tight corners that are safer for a learning environment.


Agree with this.

As a fairly new and low skilled rider myself, I do not feel confident on these sorts of roads.

[Juniper]

And just my damn luck I'm still hanging round watching people spit wine.

[Juniper]

Going straight to carpark cause I won't be leaving here for another 20

[Maha]

People seem to have this misconception that any road is learner friendly if done slow enough. But as a learner I can tell you that is not true. My first 25 scared the bejesus out of me and I grandmaed it around it.

You can learn to corner properly on a laned road that's big enough for you and another car coming the other way. Peak and Old North are perfectly fine with their 35's and 45's well posted and wide enough to cater for cars coming the opposite direction.


No misconception, of all the learner rides that I have done over the years, very little thought was ever put on the 'learner friendly' road rating, just turn up and do it. In fact, after any tighter stuff, most would say ''fucking loved that, is there any more''?... the difference being, that I (or any other experienced rider with us) would spell out the route prior. It probably comes down one question, Do you feel that you are competent enough to be leading a group of learners without the presence of experienced riders?
Seeing that you have only just got your restricted, it is probably the safer bet to use roads that you personally are comfortable with riding solo, not as a pillion.

[buggerit]

And just my damn luck I'm still hanging round watching people spit wine.

Fire alarm:devil2:

[nzspokes]

Have you seen the 30km part of ridge road? There is no staying wide as the 2 way road Is the same width as a single western motorway lane.

I do not think it an appropriate road for the level of riders that NASS often attracts. As in people riding less than a month.
As I have already said there are other roads with suitably tight corners that are safer for a learning environment.

Yes. I have ridden this road twice as a L plater. One on a ACC course and one I think with one of Maha and Mom's rides. I cannot remember it exactly but that also means I had no trouble with it.

I must pop out that way and give it a go sometime soon. Good excuse for a blat.

[nzspokes]

No misconception, of all the learner rides that I have done over the years, very little thought was ever put on the 'learner friendly' road rating, just turn up and do it. In fact, after any tighter stuff, most would say ''fucking loved that, is there any more''?... the difference being, that I (or any other experienced rider with us) would spell out the route prior. It probably comes down one question, Do you feel that you are competent enough to be leading a group of learners without the presence of experienced riders?
Seeing that you have only just got your restricted, it is probably the safer bet to use roads that you personally are comfortable with riding solo, not as a pillion.

Agreed. I remember one ride ending up a gravel road. Two ways to look at it. One shit this is scary, the other is well I have to know how to do this so lets get on with it.

I remember the time somebody didnt enjoy some advice that a certain trainer gave on the ride to the Cape. I saw it as a learning chance and took as much advise as i could which helped me a lot. All about attitude.

You encounter difficult roads and slippery surfaces on any road at any time. Be this on a L plater ride or just popping down to the shops.

[Maha]

Agreed. I remember one ride ending up a gravel road. Two ways to look at it. One shit this is scary, the other is well I have to know how to do this so lets get on with it.

I remember the time somebody didnt enjoy some advice that a certain trainer gave on the ride to the Cape. I saw it as a learning chance and took as much advise as i could which helped me a lot. All about attitude.

You encounter difficult roads and slippery surfaces on any road at any time. Be this on a L plater ride or just popping down to the shops.

Yip, all part of the learning Rob, 2nd year we had terrible rain heading back to camp from Kohukohu. Metal road in part through that Peria area. Attitude/confidence and competence with those leading and those around you, rubs off. All who rode that day had a blast, though dirty and wet by the end.

[Big Dog]

Yes. I have ridden this road twice as a L plater. One on a ACC course and one I think with one of Maha and Mom's rides. I cannot remember it exactly but that also means I had no trouble with it.

I must pop out that way and give it a go sometime soon. Good excuse for a blat.

Not quite the same given:
A, you told me before you started road riding you rode off road for many years.
B, you clearly felt confident to attack those roads under those conditions.
C, you come across the sort that would give anything a punt no matter the risk before you back down.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Not quite the same given:
A, you told me before you started road riding you rode off road for many years.
B, you clearly felt confident to attack those roads under those conditions.
C, you come across the sort that would give anything a punt no matter the risk before you back down.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

A, Wrong. I rode a trail bike in my late teens. I rode Mountain Bikes for many years.

B, Wrong. I was not confident riding over gravel on a bike packed high with tenting gear etc.

C, Wrong. I calculate risk to see if something is worth a shot.

Remember people have to know how to ride in all conditions, not just the ideal.

[W0LF]

As a new rider I am very keen in getting along to one of these rides, however I generally work Wednesday nights. Do these ever occur at other days/times?

[angle]

It was a respectable turn out yesterday with a few new faces (welcome to NASS, Braden), a good ride and an even better pub session. It was also great to see the 'Busa' in her battle glory again. Looking forward to next Wednesday already.


As a new rider I am very keen in getting along to one of these rides, however I generally work Wednesday nights. Do these ever occur at other days/times?
SASS runs on Tuesdays.

[p.dath]

As a new rider I am very keen in getting along to one of these rides, however I generally work Wednesday nights. Do these ever occur at other days/times?

Check out SASS.

[TheDemonLord]

Was a fun ride last night - good weather, good times

[Big Dog]

A, Wrong. I rode a trail bike in my late teens. I rode Mountain Bikes for many years.

B, Wrong. I was not confident riding over gravel on a bike packed high with tenting gear etc.

C, Wrong. I calculate risk to see if something is worth a shot.

Remember people have to know how to ride in all conditions, not just the ideal.

A, then you are either a poor communicator or you overstated this experience. Either case a gravel road should not have presented a threat, the load may have.

B, so you think routinely educating people by putting them in scenarios they don't feel equipped to deal with is okay? You don't think that it is irresponsible to introduce people to risks they are not properly equipped to evaluate?

C, how can you expect someone to make that judgement with insufficient information to make an informed decision and in the same breath say you make a calculated decision? By postulating that you calculate the risk you suggest both you have adequate information to make the choice and you would be prepared to turn back if it was beyond your current abilities. Yet you imply that others would be weak for making the same call.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Im going to bow out of this thread out of respect for PDath and others that run NASS. All the best and I will pop along sometime soon.

[Big Dog]

Im going to bow out of this thread out of respect for PDath and others that run NASS. All the best and I will pop along sometime soon.

I don't get it. How is it disrespectful to discuss openly concerns for how learners are treated an what is expected if riders?

EOD it is up to PDath and co how they lead a ride and where to.

How other riders treat learners ( or even more experienced members ) has a huge impact on the health and welfare of this community.

I am quite sure if PDath felt I was being disrespectful in this regard he would have no issue asking me to drop it via either a post or a PM.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[GSeX]

FWIW I've always found the rides learner friendly, and the NASS guys/girls very accommodating even when first started coming on a 50cc :)

[W0LF]

SASS runs on Tuesdays.

Also work Tuesdays :/

Thursdays through Sunday anything?

[GSeX]

Also work Tuesdays :/

Thursdays through Sunday anything?

ATNR Jr? Thursday evening from Oteha Valley Mobil

[GSeX]

Not necessarily learner friendly tho

[Big Dog]

FWIW I've always found the rides learner friendly, and the NASS guys/girls very accommodating even when first started coming on a 50cc :)

I don't doubt it. PDath, Mark and others are pretty good at making people weld on and assessing riders ability levels etc.

It is not uncommon though for people to post less than helpful comments in the thread.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[5ive]

Not necessarily learner friendly tho

Wasn't very learner friendly the two times I've been on it, especially since we rode the big bad scary Ridge road two & three quarter times (to pick up the "fallen").

Looking forward to the next time I can make it along :laugh:

[p.dath]

Wow what a lot of noise.

I'm not too fussed about the exact road we take. It's more of an assessment of what condition various roads are in, the capabilities of the riders that come along that night, and what I think people might need most assistance with.

Last night the weather was great, the roads were great and we had riders come along who are more used to short low speed commuter riding, so we went on a longer rural ride. It still had 35 km/h corners. It also had 100km/h stretches. It had beautiful sweeping corners perfect for practising corner lines and counter steering. Ridge road is a lot shorter, so although it is much more intense having more riding time seemed a better fit last night.


I feel pretty confident that I got the road selection right as everyone seemed pretty happy.

[jeeron]

Well since my bike has finally arrived after 3 months of waiting :brick: . I can now say that (if I fix it in time) I`ll join in on the next NASS, keen to meet some new riders chit chat and hopefully be able to help out a bit.

So about that ( fix it in time ). Darn battery didn't survive the trip, but then again it already was an old one before I shipped it. So I`ll be getting a new battery or just some acid for the spare that I brought along. Which will hopefully also fix the ignition problems that started while I was riding on Coatesville-Riverhead Hwy. Suddenly a top speed of 50kph isn't very nice on that road. Stopped, tried to fix it, couldn't :(. Luckily Kevin from MRS (http://motorcyclerecovery.vpweb.co.nz/) happened to drive past and was willing to pick me up and drive me back home.

So... new battery, fix the ignition and I`m all set :D.

Keep an eye out for this idiot (clickable for bigger):
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SXjahZDa0kI/VIFqlP4k_JI/AAAAAAAABk8/TC4572m1m9U/w300-no/20141205_132448 (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SXjahZDa0kI/VIFqlP4k_JI/AAAAAAAABk8/TC4572m1m9U/w1428-h803-no/20141205_132448)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VUGLv6MjnFA/VIFqfqILHaI/AAAAAAAABk0/k9wWltpW18M/w300-no/20141205_132458 (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VUGLv6MjnFA/VIFqfqILHaI/AAAAAAAABk0/k9wWltpW18M/w1428-h803-no/20141205_132458)

[TheDemonLord]

So you lot have the displeasure of having to put up with my obnoxious self for the next 2 NASS meetings - I have got my CBT2 (FULL LICENCE WOOHOO!) booked for the 20th of Dec with Dawn at Rider training (plug plug)

so will be coming along to just make sure that some of the lesser used skills are up to par and some of my bad habits are under control

Pretty Please Mr P.Dath - if we could do either a ride or skills to help with full licence prep then I will buy you a non-alcoholic beverage at Bar Africa :eek:

[p.dath]

So you lot have the displeasure of having to put up with my obnoxious self for the next 2 NASS meetings - I have got my CBT2 (FULL LICENCE WOOHOO!) booked for the 20th of Dec with Dawn at Rider training (plug plug)

so will be coming along to just make sure that some of the lesser used skills are up to par and some of my bad habits are under control

Pretty Please Mr P.Dath - if we could do either a ride or skills to help with full licence prep then I will buy you a non-alcoholic beverage at Bar Africa :eek:

Of course we'll help, beverage or otherwise. Think about what you find most difficult (e,g. U-Turns, standing start U-Turns, slow speed manoeuvring, etc).

[5ive]

Skids & wheelies ;)

[TheDemonLord]

Skids & wheelies ;)

Totes need to sharpen those up for my test :yes:

[p.dath]

The weather seems perfect.

Is anyone going to just the car park (and not coming along for the ride)?

[Juniper]

The weather seems perfect.

Is anyone going to just the car park (and not coming along for the ride)?

Me probably. She's not running nice enough for me to be happy with her.

And not so sure I did my brakes properly.

[jeeron]

What did you do to her?

[p.dath]

Me probably. She's not running nice enough for me to be happy with her.

And not so sure I did my brakes properly.

What makes you think the brakes might not be done properly? I don't think I could trust my bike if I didn't feel confident in the brakes.

[Juniper]

What makes you think the brakes might not be done properly? I don't think I could trust my bike if I didn't feel confident in the brakes.

It's a lot of nothing and than a lot of everything.

[TheDemonLord]

^^^ as P.Dath said

if you changed pads or replaced a cylinder - so long as you bled them properly, they will be fine.

[Juniper]

What makes you think the brakes might not be done properly? I don't think I could trust my bike if I didn't feel confident in the brakes.

It could just be getting used to brakes that have a bit more bite than usual. Anyway my clutch needs some serious adjustments.

[jeeron]

Adjusting clutch shouldn't be that difficult. And how long are you guys usually out for?

[Juniper]

Adjusting clutch shouldn't be that difficult. And how long are you guys usually out for?

If that's hinting at helping I'll be at the catpark around 1915

[jeeron]

Would love to help but I'm waiting at wellington airport to fly back to Auckland. If no one can help you out I'm willing to meet tomorrow? Want to do a little ride to see if my baby is well

[Big Dog]

It's a lot of nothing and than a lot of everything.

Did you bed them in?
This can be a symptom (IME) of either pads that are not bedded in or fluid that needs Settling / Bleeding. Sometimes thought it is just a case of you have changed the type of pad. E.g Going from sintered to unsintered or vice versa freaks some riders out with how different they feel cold.


**Before you attempt the below: make sure you have plenty of road of other closed surface and you are confident emergency stopping your bike, also before initiating the hard braking parts make sure you know how much space you have behind you. Other wise you may want to ask a more experienced rider to do this for you.**

Bedding in = getting the pads hotter than they are likely to get in general operation to burn off the compounds that are on them to stop them from degrading and sweating on the shelf.
This is done by getting up to 30km and slow rapidly to 10km ( don't stop, you are trying to get the pads hot, stopping completely makes the rotors get hotter than the pads do, something about tranferring all the heat to the more conductive metal, this has been known to warp disks by about the 10th pass ) as soon as you reach 10km release the brake and accelerate up to 40km and brake rapidly to 10km.
Repeat for 50-10 and 60-10.
Repeat for 60-10 but being a bit more aggresive with the brakes until you feel either the wheel is on the verge of slipping or until you feel the brakes fade off, without slacking off there is less braking available.
If you still have no brake fade try 70-10 or even 80-10 if you have the confidence.
By now your brakes should smell like an oven that is on but with nothing in it.
You may even have a tink tink sound coming from your disks if you come to a complete halt or even visible smoke.

The hotter you get your brakes the more effective they will be able to be in a real emergency... although afterwards and before you need to pull up in an emergency you may need to clean the detritus from the air holes cross drilled in your rotors (on most modern or twin disk setups) for this I use "brake clean" and an alan key the same size as the holes.
If your pads are not bedded in they will be significantly less effective, especially in the wet and may cause your rotors or pads to glaze or get covered in a glossy coat that is very slippery when wet.

Other possiblity wether bedded or not is that you need to either bleed or compress your brakes.
I'd start with compressing if they have already been bedded. Tie your brake lever as tightly to your bar as you can and leave over night. If still a problem you may need to either bleed your brakes or change your fluid. A good idea if your bike stands for longer than 6 months, the fluid is over 2 years old. Doesnt cost much but the fluid itself is quite hydroscopic and becomes less efficient over time.

Your brakes should feel like squeezing a handball or other air filled ball. Resistance and action (amount of force applied at the other end) should be relatively consisent and follow a linear scale of resistence (almost straight line steady increase) Effect should be steady increase curve.
Some dual disks can have a "second bite" this is usually an air pocket in the link hose only course of action is to bleed your hoses.

[Juniper]

Umm all I did was bleed them...


Me thinks wet weather is not the best time to be testing brakes...

Is anyone still going tonight? Yes I have turned into a fair weather fairy.

[jeeron]

If all you did was bleed them. Then your brakes are probably working properly now and you'll get used to it. I've ridden some bikes which felt more like on or of switches when you're not used to them.

[p.dath]

Umm all I did was bleed them...

I'm with jeeron, the fluid was probably well overdue.


If all you did was bleed them. Then your brakes are probably working properly now and you'll get used to it. I've ridden some bikes which felt more like on or of switches when you're not used to them.

The only thing going through my mind is if the master cylinder is overfilled. Juniper; when you replaced the fluid does it shows as just being up to the fill line in the brake fluid tank? It isn't way overfull is it?

[Juniper]

Cheers for the advice!! We shall see how it feels after a bit more pootling around. If not shes booked in for a carb balance on Wednesday.



Would love to help but I'm waiting at wellington airport to fly back to Auckland. If no one can help you out I'm willing to meet tomorrow? Want to do a little ride to see if my baby is well

I'm out at a MAG parkup tonight sorry.

[jeeron]

Good luck and have fun

[p.dath]

I think we'll make tomorrows event the last one for the year. The next Wednesday after that is the 24th ...

[TheDemonLord]

I'll be there

[angle]

I will not be there.

I'll be thereDid you get your full?

[jeeron]

Well I promised myself last week that I would come. But foolishly promised some friends to have some diner with them at the Dutch Delight in Birkenhead at 6.30 tonight... I`ll just go for the ATNR tomorrow and keep my wednesday evenings free from now on <_<

[TheDemonLord]

I will not be there.
Did you get your full?

CBT2 is this saturday - Will update in the thread to let you know if I passed, even if I pass though, Gotta wait till march till I can get my actualy full :(

[GSeX]

If I can't get the hull and sails fitted to my bike in time, will wish you guys happy holidays and be along when NASS resumes

[p.dath]

Crap, the weather is looking like shit. I think I'll bail and stay home.

[biketimus_prime]

Yo is this happening tonight and where?

I need some rain practice under my belt, commuting sucks

[p.dath]

Yo is this happening tonight and where?

I need some rain practice under my belt, commuting sucks

There might be one or two go along to the pub. I think most people are staying home.

[biketimus_prime]

Do you guys not do training anymore in a carpark with cones setup or anything?

[p.dath]

Do you guys not do training anymore in a carpark with cones setup or anything?

We do, but it was the last session of the year, and the weather was terrible.

[TheDemonLord]

It was a very lonely and soggy ride last night - and no one was at the pub :(

[TheDemonLord]

Passed my CBT2 - only 4 mistakes, so my riding has improved from when I did my restricted (as you would hope)

Once again - cheers to the guys that run NASS - free training is better than no training, and as good as Paid training :niceone:

[Big Dog]

Passed my CBT2 - only 4 mistakes, so my riding has improved from when I did my restricted (as you would hope)

Once again - cheers to the guys that run NASS - free training is better than no training, and as good as Paid training :niceone:

Good stuff.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[p.dath]

Passed my CBT2 - only 4 mistakes, so my riding has improved from when I did my restricted (as you would hope)

Well done! Soon you'll be looking at new bikes ...

[TheDemonLord]

Well done! Soon you'll be looking at new bikes ...

April!!!!!

[p.dath]

April!!!!!

It's better to sell a bike in Summer, and buy one in Winter. What a tough choice you have.

[TheDemonLord]

It's better to sell a bike in Summer, and buy one in Winter. What a tough choice you have.

Well, since I commute on my bike, I will need to keep till I can get a new bike, but I have seen options on Trade-me and am forming my wish list of bikes to test ride (for Market Research....)

[Mongolian]

So who is up for a nice xmas eve ride this week?

[cowpower]

When does this start up again?! Also whats involved in the rider training stuff? Think I'll be coming to visit then as I don't have my L plates yet.. and I chopped off all my rear factory lights so have to fit the new OEMs when I get them :D but I wanna meet other bikers around me!! I live in Albany near that pub, industrial as so sweet for practice!

[shah]

Passed my CBT2 - only 4 mistakes, so my riding has improved from when I did my restricted (as you would hope)

Once again - cheers to the guys that run NASS - free training is better than no training, and as good as Paid training :niceone:

well done.

[p.dath]

When does this start up again?! Also whats involved in the rider training stuff? Think I'll be coming to visit then as I don't have my L plates yet.. and I chopped off all my rear factory lights so have to fit the new OEMs when I get them :D but I wanna meet other bikers around me!! I live in Albany near that pub, industrial as so sweet for practice!

Probably start the second or third Wednesday of January.

[Juniper]

Probably start the second or third Wednesday of January.

Awww why not the first?! I is needing the NASS

[jeeron]

That is a very good question

[p.dath]

Awww why not the first?! I is needing the NASS


That is a very good question

By all means have a group ride. :-) Just post up and I'm sure some people will come along.

[jeeron]

Well I`m definitely game for a ride. However since I've never been to a NASS and dont know any of the roads in this country or the people involved... I`ll just lay back and cross my fingers that something will happen.

[kiwi-on-wheels]

Lonely track road (cotesville riverhead highway) is a bloody nice bit of road if you just wanted to go for a ride...

[TheDemonLord]

I may be able to come this weds, but probably not - you aren't going to see much of me for a while either - have RL stuff coming up (The Demon Heir)

[Pound]

Well I`m definitely game for a ride. However since I've never been to a NASS and dont know any of the roads in this country or the people involved... I`ll just lay back and cross my fingers that something will happen.



Ahh the perfect attitude, a man after my own heart.<_<

[jeeron]

Ahh the perfect attitude, a man after my own heart.<_<

I`m already coming back on it so if none of the known crew do something I`ll just add some random points on the map and post it here.

[The End]

I`m already coming back on it so if none of the known crew do something I`ll just add some random points on the map and post it here.

A couple of good ones to have a go on:

https://goo.gl/maps/Zk27F

https://goo.gl/maps/GffEP

[jeeron]

https://goo.gl/maps/gL7jC something along the lines of this?

[jeeron]

Anyone keen at all?

[Juniper]

I'm keen and waiting at the gas station

[Juniper]

Anyone keen at all?

You coming?

[jeeron]

Didn't expect this to happen... still keen to ride but ended up in shorts on the deck. What gas station? Will have to come from birkenhead -_-

[Juniper]

Didn't expect this to happen... still keen to ride but ended up in shorts on the deck. What gas station? Will have to come from birkenhead -_-

Well meet us at the Albany carpark. Say 15mim? Text me

[jeeron]

righto, that's the noel lemming one I guess... will do my best to be there in 15. Texting will be somewhat difficult since I dont have your number so here's mine :P: --- --- -- --. Man I feel blonde right now

[5ive]

Sorry guys, I won't be back until mid February, see you then for some riding :2thumbsup

[TheDemonLord]

Anyone gonna ride tonight?

[jeeron]

I`m not sure yet, might go to an IMOC pub meeting

[GSeX]

Anyone gonna ride tonight?

Yup :scooter:

[GravelRashKid]

I'll be at the carpark at 7:30

[Juniper]

Mr Man is all meh that his bike doesn't work, so maybe no for me. Grrrr.

[GravelRashKid]

I'll just keep playing with myself for a while.

[Juniper]

I'll just keep playing with myself for a while.

Yesss dear

[DanielM8]

Who's coming to NASS tonight? Weather looks good, and I'm bringing a few friends along!


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[Juniper]

I'll be there!!

[p.dath]

I don't think I can make it yet, but it would be good if everyone came along and someone could help out. Even a longer ride would be good.

[angle]

I'll be there. Keen to do Ridge Road.

[Juniper]

Anyone keen for anything other than ridge road? I've just had to go along it and O'Brians has a lot of loose gravel on it.

[Juniper]

Peak, Old North?

Though I really do need to practice slow speeds, I'm having trouble with T intersections lol.

[jeeron]

I'm not going to be there. Front fork is at cycletreads to have seals replaced. Blew on me yesterday at the start of SASS.