South Auckland Street Skills

[nzspokes]

What bike was that? Sorta looked TL ish.

Oh yeah, why are the fork preloaders set differently on it too?

Superhawk, US version of a VTR1000. Nah its the camera that makes them look different. They are the same. Big twin upsets the camera a lot. Need a better one.

[eldog]

This is avid of me doing a laps at Hampton on my last ART track day. Keep in mind I was the fastest in the group, you dont have to go anything like this fast.

And yes i was turning in to early, to slow on the straights blah blah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ojMGA4Ks-w

man I am going to have to look at this more.
do i need to wire tie the bolts etc, if so then I wont be doing it on the scorpio - it will make it harder to sell later.
it isnt a race bike.
but would be good to practise on a road/track without oncoming idiots in a controlled environment, with repeatable corners etc.
so I see the benefit there for me

[eldog]

Superhawk, US version of a VTR1000. Nah its the camera that makes them look different. They are the same. Big twin upsets the camera a lot. Need a better one.

better one, Bike? Bwhahahaha.

I have been looking at cameras for me, have to find a rear view one so I can keep an eye on you as you dissappear in the distance :bleh:

[nzspokes]

man I am going to have to look at this more.
do i need to wire tie the bolts etc, if so then I wont be doing it on the scorpio - it will make it harder to sell later.
it isnt a race bike.
but would be good to practise on a road/track without oncoming idiots in a controlled environment, with repeatable corners etc.
so I see the benefit there for me

Only thing you need to do it remove the top of your pack rack and tape all your lights and glass bits. No wire ties needed. You will be doing road speeds for the most part.

[eldog]

Only thing you need to do it remove the top of your pack rack and tape all your lights and glass bits. No wire ties needed. You will be doing road speeds for the most part.

Cool. Your video doesnt look like road speeds :bleh:
road speeds = 50 - choice :innocent:
Overtook a scooter today - felt like the king of the road :wings:
going to have to look at web site I guess :eek:

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license).
Weather and venue permitting - Heavy Rain may mean that we are watching DVDs. Showers are OK, look on the thread for more up-to-date information.
Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on this thread. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

Disclaimer:
The SASS activity is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider, their machines and/or any persons involved. All people attending SASS do so at their own risk.

[f2dz]

Forecast and rain radar look good.

Who's a goer for tonight?

[nzspokes]

I will be there

[f2dz]

Cool. Keen to chat about the ART days and that Ulysses 1000km ride or whatever it was that everyone was signing up for.

I'm leaning towards passing on the TT2000 this time around. Might do the next one.

[Baldyman]

I would like to join you tonight for a ride. I have been doing a lot of dirt bike riding with my son for a while and need to work on my road skills. So I would appreciate some input from the team.

[f2dz]

Sounds good, more the merrier. Catch ya there.

[nightaria]

Hope I can go tonight. got my cbr500r 3weeks ago. My very first bike. Just ride at weekends and practice at night. Only done about 300kms. Want to meet some other riders in AKL:yes:

[Sis]

Hope I can go tonight. got my cbr500r 3weeks ago. My very first bike. Just ride at weekends and practice at night. Only done about 300kms. Want to meet some other riders in AKL:yes:

We will keep an eye out for you.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Hope I can go tonight. got my cbr500r 3weeks ago. My very first bike. Just ride at weekends and practice at night. Only done about 300kms. Want to meet some other riders in AKL:yes:
:2thumbsup
They are fun bikes , have 12000 kms on my horse now . Sorry peeps I went out for a play in the weekend all that nice sun and jazz . And wifey stole monkey for the morning so when for a ride :2thumbsup:2thumbsup
Hope to catch ya next week all going to plan

[Sis]

You missed a great night. Twelve bikes. Couldn't have got a wider variety if we had tried.

[nightaria]

You missed a great night. Twelve bikes. Couldn't have got a wider variety if we had tried.
Twelve? Cool!! Got any pictures? After I build more confidence I'll definitely go

[xXGIBBOXx]

Twelve? Cool!! Got any pictures? After I build more confidence I'll definitely go

Go, you will have fun . and its getting lighter it night which makes it easier. The pack/club/mob go at a easy pace , at or under the speed limit . And blood good laughs with a coffee, beer or hot chocolate and chips .
Holy 12 bikes ! Is there photos ? Mint turn out

[aws]

A photo from last night, but unfortunately not all 12 bikes. Really just showing Spokies white tail light. But it was certainly an impressive line of red lights snaking down Monument Road. Great view from the rear! :scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scoo ter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter:: scooter:

[nzspokes]

Here is another vid from Hampton for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3duDbNCWpiI

[Sis]

Twelve? Cool!! Got any pictures? After I build more confidence I'll definitely go

Don't wait. This is what we are all about. Finding more confidence. Doing things like braking practise in the car park. Another effect is the networking so that you find riders that you like to ride with and you can get out on the weekend with them.

[f2dz]

Here is another vid from Hampton for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3duDbNCWpiI

Nice footage. What camera do you use?

[nzspokes]

Nice footage. What camera do you use?

Contour HD 1080

[eldog]

Contour HD 1080

any recommendations for a camera (video type) which has good night use.

[nzspokes]

any recommendations for a camera (video type) which has good night use.

Im no expert on cameras. I doubt any would be good in the dark.

[Big Dog]

Night recording is pretty hit and miss without specialist equipment. My contour 720p does well in low light or even just a headlight if the focal point an length are similar... Except when passing through uneven light. A lot of picture fragmentation as it tries to cope with changes in light balance and white balance. I haven't kept any of the trial footage. I have been meaning to try again with the camera bike mounted instead of helmet mounted.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

Night recording is pretty hit and miss without specialist equipment. My contour 720p does well in low light or even just a headlight if the focal point an length are similar... Except when passing through uneven light. A lot of picture fragmentation as it tries to cope with changes in light balance and white balance. I haven't kept any of the trial footage. I have been meaning to try again with the camera bike mounted instead of helmet mounted.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

thanks. I want to do a LOT of night riding - approx 600 ks each way (below legal speed)
Going to add some flood lights (not too bright just to give coverage)
OK with fragmentation,
want to show-
- road condition, signage and indicators at night - I am thinking of doing a report:weird:
- shumcks trying to push me off the road

[nzspokes]

Some cheap cameras advertised at Repco, about $50. Could be good for the track, not much loss if i go for a slide.

[f2dz]

The Drift Ghost-S seems to do a good job of it. Comparable in price to a GoPro3+ Silver.

Good video showing its capabilities. I'm saving my pennies for one at the mo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6rYK_Db7Rs

A bit harder to find over here but there are a couple places that stock em.

[nzspokes]

The Drift Ghost-S seems to do a good job of it. Comparable in price to a GoPro3+ Silver.

Good video showing its capabilities. I'm saving my pennies for one at the mo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6rYK_Db7Rs

A bit harder to find over here but there are a couple places that stock em.

That is good. I doubt mine would function.

[eldog]

The Drift Ghost-S seems to do a good job of it. Comparable in price to a GoPro3+ Silver.

Good video showing its capabilities. I'm saving my pennies for one at the mo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6rYK_Db7Rs

A bit harder to find over here but there are a couple places that stock em.

sounds like you are the test bunny, lets see it in action, once you have saved :wings:

[eldog]

Go, you will have fun . and its getting lighter it night which makes it easier. The pack/club/mob go at a easy pace , at or under the speed limit . And bloody good laughs with a coffee, beer or hot chocolate and chips.
Holy 12 bikes ! Is there photos ? Mint turn out

+1 - you summed it up perfectly - with like minded riders. all eager to learn and support each other. a wealth of knowledge.

Everyone and anyone welcome I am sure - They let me in so it must be true and they havent kick me out yet :bleh:

[Big Dog]

Anything with a 10mm lens should get you something if your light levels only change slowly. So at legal speeds. A specialist rig like that should get smoother results. Depends a lot on your intended result. A contour or similar costs a lot more than the take and toss varieties and it is up to you if 10 - 20 times the price is worth it.

I have seen some adequate footage from old cellphones or $30 action cams.

I would say though decide what you want and but the best camera you can afford but the cheapest that will achieve it. It gets expensive replacing camera gear. Even more so if you never get to use it because it doesn't do what you bought it for.




Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

Anything with a 10mm lens should get you something if your light levels only change slowly. So at legal speeds. A specialist rig like that should get smoother results. Depends a lot on your intended result. A contour or similar costs a lot more than the take and toss varieties and it is up to you if 10 - 20 times the price is worth it.

I have seen some adequate footage from old cellphones or $30 action cams.

I would say though decide what you want and but the best camera you can afford but the cheapest that will achieve it. It gets expensive replacing camera gear. Even more so if you never get to use it because it doesn't do what you bought it for.

Ta, just like buying anything got to weight pros and cons and see if it suitable for use. so Now I will have to look.

[nzspokes]

Ta, just like buying anything got to weight pros and cons and see if it suitable for use. so Now I will have to look.

Im intrigued now, must try mine at night. May bring it to the next Sass.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Anyone know of a quite car park or the likes to have a play ? I can do one from a stand still but want to do from a roll on so need a bit of space it bring it down and not piss the world off .:niceone:

[nzspokes]

Anyone know of a quite car park or the likes to have a play ? I can do one from a stand still but want to do from a roll on so need a bit of space it bring it down and not piss the world off .:niceone:

Ask Ducatilover, he has a whole thread about it. :niceone:

[Big Dog]

Ta, just like buying anything got to weight pros and cons and see if it suitable for use. so Now I will have to look.
My learnings from spending too much money and not getting the results I wanted.
I hope you find some savings in my learnings.

Key details when buying a camera are lens, sensor, recording medium, battery life and fitness for purpose.
Lens:10mm diameter should be a minimum for action. Good results can be had with less but this will be unreliable at best. Glass optics are better. Coated and or ground is best.
Plastic is cheaper. A lot cheaper. Good for risky stuff. Painful to try and get good crisp results.

Sensor is important. CMOS are cheaper but needs more processing or a higher sensor count.

Frames per second (FPS), 30 is adequate for walking pace but 60 is minimum for action unless you are happy to have the picture paginate, or break up into little squares along the edges of moving things. Over 60 FPS picture appears clearer even if it is not.

Storage, you will need about a gb per hour at 720p 60fps. More if you want higher res, sound etc. 6 hours you'll need 6gb plus a spare amount for the length of your last clip. Eg if you film in 1gb clips you need 1gb of cache left on your disk or the last file may be corrupted, or not even save. All of this needs to go somewhere when it comes out if the camera. Buy storage for your camera in the fastest class acceptable or action clips can corrupt. Losing shots because of a cheap or second hand disk sucks.

Editing. If you only have 1gb of available ram on your PC keep your files shorter than 1gb. Or you can speed processing of edits up by recoding in half GB size chunks. Staring the obvious but that scales. To properly edit 4gb files you need either a super fast processor and disks or 4gb of available ram.
I did not know this when I first got my cam consequence is I have a lot of unedited footage. Useless because it is hours of footage with only a few interesting bits.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

My learnings from spending too much money and not getting the results I wanted.
I hope you find some savings in my learnings.

Key details when buying a camera are lens, sensor, recording medium, battery life and fitness for purpose.
Lens:10mm diameter should be a minimum for action. Glass optics are better. Coated and or ground is best.
Plastic is cheaper. A lot cheaper. Good for risky stuff. Painful to try and get good crisp results.

Sensor is important. CMOS are cheaper but needs more processing or a higher sensor count.

Frames per second (FPS), 30 is adequate for walking pace but 60 is minimum for action unless you are happy to have the picture paginate, or break up into little squares along the edges of moving things. Over 60 FPS picture appears clearer even if it is not.

Storage, you will need about a gb per hour at 720p 60fps. More if you want higher res, sound etc. 6 hours you'll need 6gb plus a spare amount for the length of your last clip. Eg if you film in 1gb clips you need 1gb of cache left on your disk or the last file may be corrupted, or not even save. All of this needs to go somewhere when it comes out if the camera. Buy storage for your camera in the fastest class acceptable or action clips can corrupt. Losing shots because of a cheap or second hand disk sucks.

Editing. If you only have 1gb of available ram on your PC keep your files shorter than 1gb. Or you can speed processing of edits up by recoding in half GB size chunks. Staring the obvious but that scales. To properly edit 4gb files you need either a super fast processor and disks or 4gb of available ram.
I did not know this when I first got my cam consequence is I have a lot of unedited footage. Useless because it is hours of footage with only a few interesting bits.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I have found the same in another previous project involving recording stuff.(which reminds me I have to finish that one this year)
good to be reminded

[xXGIBBOXx]

Ask Ducatilover, he has a whole thread about it. :niceone:

I have meet him funny as guy . I know how to do them .lol just want some flat road with no one round

[Drew]

I know how to do them Famous last words.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Famous last words.

And what ? :lol: never said I was good at it

[Drew]

And what ? :lol: never said I was good at it

Employ the buddy system, always. Don't go practicing wheelies without a spotter. I'm better than most, and I still put a footpeg through my ankle joint, at walking pace.

[eldog]

Sometimes the obvious can be overlooked esp when a bike is parked on centre stand
OK I already know real bikes don't need a centre stand, but I find it convenient for mods and maintenance

Was really surprised when I actually check tyre pressure, they looked and felt rock hard.
I normally check then weekly, but I had forgotten to check as I hadn't ridden her for a while.

So the question is have you checked YOURS

[xXGIBBOXx]

So the question is have you checked YOURS

Every week on a Friday , tyres in the morning and chain lube and check over with a torch on the track stand at night . It needs a wash been ages over two months . I blame all the crap weather :scooter:

[eldog]

Every week on a Friday , tyres in the morning and chain lube and check over with a torch on the track stand at night . It needs a wash been ages over two months . I blame all the crap weather :scooter:

OMG Friday!:facepalm: what happened to beer and crisps. :laugh:

Sounds like the plan, usually rushing to work, but I do it on Mondays evenings mostly, its so relaxing to check the bike over. I am getting the hang of what to look for and do from yous fellas at SASS. Its a gentle wind down from work and crap TV. Going to make a label to attach to bike to remind me about what pressures to set. :woohoo:


Yeah a wash thats this weekend before a ride Sunday I reckon :scooter:.

[Big Dog]

Every week on a Friday , tyres in the morning and chain lube and check over with a torch on the track stand at night . It needs a wash been ages over two months . I blame all the crap weather :scooter:

My first bike mechanic swore by give the bike a good wash after the first good downpour them don't wash again till summer weather arrives if you are a daily rider. Give it a good clean if the bike will not be ridden for a week. Keep forks and shock seals and travel clean.

I can't say it is a better system than washing and lubing the bike after every ride, but it seems to work better than weekly bucket clean and it is something I have time for.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

My first bike mechanic swore by give the bike a good wash after the first good downpour them don't wash again till summer weather arrives if you are a daily rider. Give it a good clean if the bike will not be ridden for a week. Keep forks and shock seals and travel clean.

I can't say it is a better system than washing and lubing the bike after every ride, but it seems to work better than weekly bucket clean and it is something I have time for.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Sounds to like he was just lazy. A weekly wash is a great way to check all of the bike.

Who has lubed the bikes fork seals recently?

[nzspokes]

Im intrigued now, must try mine at night. May bring it to the next Sass.

Getting it out now but dont expect much from it at night.

[Big Dog]

Sounds to like he was just lazy. A weekly wash is a great way to check all of the bike.

Who has lubed the bikes fork seals recently?

Maybe that is why I buy it? I don't have 2 hours a week for a proper clean.
Can't say I have ever heard of lubing fork seals. How? With what? How often?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Maybe that is why I buy it? I don't have 2 hours a week for a proper clean.
Can't say I have ever heard of lubing fork seals. How? With what? How often?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

So when do you safety check your motorcycle? And how? Im not talking creating a showbike but a basic clean that keeps grime building up on critical areas like brakes, fork tubes, shock shafts, etc. This would take half an hour at worst. Good time to check all your bulbs to. I may go through this as a topic tonight.

Fork seals? Do it by flaring the seals, there is a technique to it. Any fine clean grease will do and every few months. Very important if you have a bike with coated fork tubes. Very simple to do and takes 10 mins.

[nzspokes]

Interesting site to go look at.

http://www.nz-iam.org.nz/default.asp

[Big Dog]

So when do you safety check your motorcycle? And how? Im not talking creating a showbike but a basic clean that keeps grime building up on critical areas like brakes, fork tubes, shock shafts, etc. This would take half an hour at worst. Good time to check all your bulbs to. I may go through this as a topic tonight.

Fork seals? Do it by flaring the seals, there is a technique to it. Any fine clean grease will do and every few months. Very important if you have a bike with coated fork tubes. Very simple to do and takes 10 mins.

Systems, Brakes and lights daily. Test.
Tyres / chain cursory inspection daily.
Proper check every 1000 for perishables such as brake lines, brake pads, fluids, moving parts such as brake levers, tyres and chain full rotation.
Pressures get checked every 1000, any time handling feels off, any time the compressor is getting fired up and any time the bike has been parked longer than the weekend.

If I was a weekend rider, if my bike had a history of being out by even half a pound a week, my tyres / tube were old or my rims bore damage I'd check daily or even more often.

I know the acc answer is every time you go for a ride, but then I don't check my oils waters and tyre pressure every tome I start the car either.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Who is coming tonight?

[nzspokes]

Systems, Brakes and lights daily. Test.
Tyres / chain cursory inspection daily.
Proper check every 1000 for perishables such as brake lines, brake pads, fluids, moving parts such as brake levers, tyres and chain full rotation.
Pressures get checked every 1000, any time handling feels off, any time the compressor is getting fired up and any time the bike has been parked longer than the weekend.

If I was a weekend rider, if my bike had a history of being out by even half a pound a week, my tyres / tube were old or my rims bore damage I'd check daily or even more often.

I know the acc answer is every time you go for a ride, but then I don't check my oils waters and tyre pressure every tome I start the car either.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.
The outcome of an engine seize is a bit more dramatic on a motorcycle than in a car. Water and oil are both visual checks that are quickly done.

[eldog]

Who is coming tonight?

Mhe cumin:woohoo:

[Big Dog]

The outcome of an engine seize is a bit more dramatic on a motorcycle than in a car. Water and oil are both visual checks that are quickly done.

So you check both every ride?
For me those can wait till the next 1000, that is about 7 days give or take. I usually notice if either are not right via other means. Getting to know your bike will do more for you than regular checks.
I have lost almost all of my oil while out for a ride and a pipe burst. Checked the oil before I left. About 200kms in I noticed the bike was getting hotter than normal. Not much, but enough it was not as expected. Did not feel hotter, sounded hotter. Preliminary inspection showed oil all over the back wheel. Pipe from oil cooler to block cut on something. Rode to nearest servo, bought some oil an a couple of hose clamps. Sorted enough to get home and to the bike shop in the morning.

Another time Water levels were fine and the displayed water temp was within acceptable. But the fans came on. Only a few seconds every now and then. But abnormal. Cursory inspection nothing. Trip to the bike shop. A blockage before the water pump was stopping circulation. Still get the radiator swirl but limited cooling. Not a physical blockage mind. An air pocket in what should have been a pressurised system.

I have not seized an engine in about 500000kms.

I am not knocking checks.
I am saying knowing your bike and being willing to root out any change will be as important some day.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

So you check both every ride?
For me those can wait till the next 1000, that is about 7 days give or take. I usually notice if either are not right via other means. Getting to know your bike will do more for you than regular checks.
I have lost almost all of my oil while out for a ride and a pipe burst. Checked the oil before I left. About 200kms in I noticed the bike was getting hotter than normal. Not much, but enough it was not as expected. Did not feel hotter, sounded hotter. Preliminary inspection showed oil all over the back wheel. Pipe from oil cooler to block cut on something. Rode to nearest servo, bought some oil an a couple of hose clamps. Sorted enough to get home and to the bike shop in the morning.

Another time Water levels were fine and the displayed water temp was within acceptable. But the fans came on. Only a few seconds every now and then. But abnormal. Cursory inspection nothing. Trip to the bike shop. A blockage before the water pump was stopping circulation. Still get the radiator swirl but limited cooling. Not a physical blockage mind. An air pocket in what should have been a pressurised system.

I have not seized an engine in about 500000kms.

I am not knocking checks.
I am saying knowing your bike and being willing to root out any change will be as important some day.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.
Does your bike have a built on water temp guage or something you have added yourself. If added by self interested in were you got it

[Tigadee]

I'm dog tired and still got a guts-ful of work to do...

Should be along from next week once our annual report's settled...

[Sis]

What a shame we aren't going to see you tonight Tigadee.
I will be there on my tractor.
Just reading some of the previous posts about checks; I don't have any gauges (tractors don't have those) but I do keep an ear on the engine noise. I guess I will be in a real panic when it is running quietly:shit:

[eldog]

What a shame we aren't going to see you tonight Tigadee.
I will be there on my tractor.
Just reading some of the previous posts about checks; I don't have any gauges (tractors don't have those) but I do keep an ear on the engine noise. I guess I will be in a real panic when it is running quietly:shit:

tractors have gauges, you have tractor tyres.

put your ear on the exhaust to really hear it :motu::innocent:

you and your boike run quietly only when parked up :nya:

[eldog]

I'm dog tired and still got a guts-ful of work to do...

Should be along from next week once our annual report's settled...

while you have spare time, make a motorcycle out of paper clips , its metal work:shutup:
when you are free it will be great to see you once again on the mighty Hornet :yes:

[Maakz]

Hey y'all, will have to meet yous at the watering hole, got to get a final report finished before i leave. Bummer, no ride time for me. Will pop in for a cuppa hot choccy, can someone text me when yous arrive please? Car park practice or watering hole, either....cheers, have a good ride out and stay right side up.

[nzspokes]

I have no belief in doing things by feel. Will say why when not on the phone.

[nzspokes]

Nice night for riding.

[eldog]

I have no belief in doing things by feel. Will say why when not on the phone.

intuition - its a feeling - its how I ride

to the young man who dilligently followed me - dont worry its not your fault, return to SASS they have a lot to offer and you will learn to be a better rider esp now summer (daylight saving as you said) is coming - you will forget me. Dont follow a broken arrow.

to the others - more and more I find riding alone best.

[Maakz]

WE WILL NOT FORGET YOU & You are NOT the only broken arrow...there are so many things you don't know, but this isn't the forum. Hey, i'm an avowed soloist and yet I ride with SASS whenever I can swing it. I made that commitment back in 2008 and it helps..peops aren't half bad too LOL.... Come a long way in terms of self growth. Yesterday several F*&$ Faces almost clocked me and this morning a little gunmetal blue hatch almost took me out by crossing into my lane where Newton merges with K Rd (2 lanes left turning), doddering old fogey half blind and not a care in the world - totally oblivious to their crappy driving. In the old days I would have chased that F*&%KER like a harpy and would have started smashing windows but I saw it coming-made counter moves and let it go without losing my rag or stewing onnit for the day. Come back eldog...intuition, skill & experience are they keys mate. To the young fulla from across the shore who graced us with his presence and his knowledge of cult classic tv trivia, pleasure & hope to see ya back, promise we'll do car park skills & fun it up.

[eldog]

WE WILL NOT FORGET YOU & You are NOT the only broken arrow...there are so many things you don't know, but this isn't the forum. Hey, i'm an avowed soloist and yet I ride with SASS whenever I can swing it. I made that commitment back in 2008 and it helps..peops aren't half bad too LOL.... Come a long way in terms of self growth. Come back eldog...intuition, skill & experience are they keys mate. To the young fulla from across the shore who graced us with his presence and his knowledge of cult classic tv trivia, pleasure & hope to see ya back, promise we'll do car park skills & fun it up.

I will be back, but need to sort myself out, by myself - there is something missing I need to sort, I still dont really know what it is.

Yes the young fellow did ride well, he didnt know the road and i wasnt helping. I slowed down several times so he could see my light.

Obviously I caused drama. so I will work on my skills before I come back.

The car park skills really helped my riding but need to do them correctly and regularily (weekly or more) esp slow speed stuff

[nzspokes]

So the camera footage is not much good. Will review it when Im not tired but dont think its worth it.

Forgot to mention my hand. Turns out its a normal complication of the surgery. Excess scar tissue. Having therapy for it now.

[nzspokes]

For Fraser. Bit of night time reading.....

Just something I jotted down when I got home.

SUSPENSION FEEL

FORKS

LACK OF REBOUND DAMPING (FORK)
The fork offers a supremely plush ride, especially when riding straight up. When the pace picks up, however, the feeling of control is lost. The fork feels mushy, and traction "feel" is poor. After hitting bumps at speed, the front tire tends to chatter or bounce. When flicking the bike into a corner at speed, the front tire begins to chatter and lose traction. This translates into an unstable feel at the clip-ons. As speed increases and steering inputs become more aggressive, a lack of control begins to appear. Chassis attitude and pitch become a real problem, with the front end refusing to stabilise after the bike is countersteered hard into a turn.

TOO MUCH REBOUND DAMPING (FORK)
The ride is quite harsh--just the opposite of the plush feel of too little rebound. Rough surface makes the fork feel as if it's locking up with stiction and harshness. Under hard acceleration exiting bumpy corners, the front end feels like it wants to "wiggle" or "tankslap." The tire feels as if it isn't staying in contact with the surface when on the gas. The harsh, unforgiving ride makes the bike hard to control when riding through dips and rolling bumps at speed. The suspension's reluctance to maintain tire traction through these sections erodes rider confidence.

LACK OF COMPRESSION DAMPING (FORK)
Front end dive while on the brakes becomes excessive. The rear end of the motorcycle wants to "come around" when using the front brakes aggressively. The front suspension "bottoms out" with a solid hit under heavy braking and after hitting bumps. The front end has a mushy and semi-vague feeling--similar to lack of rebound damping.

TOO MUCH COMPRESSION DAMPING (FORK)
The ride is overly harsh, especially at the point when bumps and ripples are contacted by the front wheel. Bumps and ripples are felt directly; the initial "hit" is routed through the chassis instantly, with big bumps bouncing the tire off the surface. The bike's ride height is effected negatively--the front end winds up riding too high in the corners. Brake dive is reduced drastically, though the chassis is upset significantly by bumps encountered during braking.


REAR SHOCK

LACK OF REBOUND DAMPING (REAR SHOCK)
The ride is plush at cruising speeds, but as the pace increases, the chassis begins to wallow and weave through bumpy corners. This causes poor traction over bumps under hard acceleration; the rear tire starts to chatter due to a lack of wheel control. There is excessive chassis pitch through large bumps and dips at speed and the rear end rebounds too quickly, upsetting the chassis with a pogo-stick action.

TOO MUCH REBOUND DAMPING (REAR SHOCK)
This creates an uneven ride. The rear suspension compliance is poor and the "feel" is vague. Traction is poor over bumps during hard acceleration (due to lack of suspension compliance). The bike wants to run wide in corners since the rear end is "packing down"; this forces a nose-high chassis attitude, which slows down steering. The rear end wants to hop and skip when the throttle is chopped during aggressive corner entries.

LACK OF COMPRESSION DAMPING (REAR SHOCK)
There is too much rear end "squat" under acceleration; the bike wants to steer wide exiting corners (since the chassis is riding rear low/nose high). Hitting bumps at speed causes the rear to bottom out, which upsets the chassis. The chassis attitude is affected too much by large dips and ground-outs. Steering and control become difficult due to excessive suspension movement.

TOO MUCH COMPRESSION DAMPING (REAR SHOCK)
The ride is harsh, though not quite as bad as too much rebound; the faster you go, the worse it gets, however. Harshness hurts rear tire traction over bumps, especially during deceleration. There's little rear end "squat" under acceleration. Medium to large bumps are felt directly through the chassis; when hit at speed, the rear end kicks up.

[Sis]

So the camera footage is not much good. Will review it when Im not tired but dont think its worth it.

Forgot to mention my hand. Turns out its a normal complication of the surgery. Excess scar tissue. Having therapy for it now.


And what therapy would be , I wonder:tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger:

[Maakz]

Poor Fraser got home work aka 'light reading" bahahahaha:wacko::innocent::yes::eek5::facepalm:
Sis you are baddddddd!!!!!!!!:blip:

[nzspokes]

Update on ART days. Entry forms should be out next week. And Sis, I asked about you and they said they would check once they had an entry but shouldn't be a problem for group 1.

[f2dz]

Light at-work reading you mean. :P

Thanks Rob, will think more about the suspension thing. Might do a bit of my own tweaking first before making the drastic changes we talked about, but this is all good stuff. Considering just running the bike how it is for the first ART day and then changing things once I have a track day under my belt to reference. As of right now the bike feels pretty good to me but I'm easily not using most of its potential on the road.

Lance, you're a good rider and it's always good to see you at SASS. See you there next week... or else. I know where you live (at least someone does, and I can get them to tell me). But seriously, come on back bud.

Nice to have all the regulars for the ride as well as the indestructible Ninja. Hopefully not scared off by us all drinking coffee like pansies.

[Big Dog]

Does your bike have a built on water temp guage or something you have added yourself. If added by self interested in were you got it
I have only ever had built in ones. They normally measure oil or water temp so adding one is normally quite a specialist job. Personally I don't rate them. I believe DRC do a universal one that you fit the sensor around a head bolt. They are for diet bikes but a simple fit and for measuring head temp.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

I have only ever had built in ones. They normally measure oil or water temp so adding one is normally quite a specialist job. Personally I don't rate them. I believe DRC do a universal one that you fit the sensor around a head bolt. They are for diet bikes but a simple fit and for measuring head temp.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Ta. I will have a look.
Interested in motor temp and ambient air temp in case of ICE.
There is no temp sensor on the bike

[eldog]

Update on ART days. Entry forms should be out next week. And Sis, I asked about you and they said they would check once they had an entry but shouldn't be a problem for group 1.

Do they take broken riders?

[nzspokes]

Light at-work reading you mean. :P

Thanks Rob, will think more about the suspension thing. Might do a bit of my own tweaking first before making the drastic changes we talked about, but this is all good stuff. Considering just running the bike how it is for the first ART day and then changing things once I have a track day under my belt to reference. As of right now the bike feels pretty good to me but I'm easily not using most of its potential on the road.

Lance, you're a good rider and it's always good to see you at SASS. See you there next week... or else. I know where you live (at least someone does, and I can get them to tell me). But seriously, come on back bud.

Nice to have all the regulars for the ride as well as the indestructible Ninja. Hopefully not scared off by us all drinking coffee like pansies.

Sweet as. Your first time will be pretty laid back. Bike requirement is just a good WOF standard. Your biggest problem will be stopping Sharry stealing your bike for a few laps....

Yes we will see you there next week Lance.

Im hardcore, I have my coffee in a takeaway cup.....

[Big Dog]

Ambient air are a little easier.
If you have a screen a simple and cheap option is one of those stick on thermometer stickers from the pet store or hardware store. Accurate enough for what you want, never needs batteries, waterproof and easy to remove. Colour coded to give that at a glance answer. Never done for myself but got one for $6 for a mate once. Intended as a prank. Because he was forever going on about black ice. The Irony? The ice risk temp the whole gauge goes black.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Engineers and the like are fond of gauges, measures sight glasses etc.
Tactile learners tend to be more "I feel like xyz is wrong." Etc.
That is me. It drives my work mates up the wall when I say "look I can't give you a stat that says why but the server needs a restart. " or " my spidey senses tell me we need to do xyz to that server before it is too late". I am not sure what bothers them more. That I don't have the measurement to back it up or how often I am right.

I am working on being able to do both but be wary of losing sight of the shear pleasure of riding to collecting data and analysing everything to death.

Since I have been commuting on the CB I have been amazed how often I have found myself pining for the raw simplicity of the DR.
Focusing all on staying on and enjoying the adventure instead of feeling the constant need to monitor your dash.


That said, if data collection and analysis is your jam, party on.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

Engineers and the like are fond of gauges, measures sight glasses etc.
Tactile learners tend to be more "I feel like xyz is wrong." Etc.
That is me. It drives my work mates up the wall when I say "look I can't give you a stat that says why but the server needs a restart. " or " my spidey senses tell me we need to do xyz to that server before it is too late". I am not sure what bothers them more. That I don't have the measurement to back it up or how often I am right.

I am working on being able to do both but be wary of losing sight of the shear pleasure of riding to collecting data and analysing everything to death.

Since I have been commuting on the CB I have been amazed how often I have found myself pining for the raw simplicity of the DR.
Focusing all on staying on and enjoying the adventure instead of feeling the constant need to monitor your dash.


That said, if data collection and analysis is your jam, party on.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I get it and try to do both as well.
I will try the simple ambient temp trick - lighting for country riding is a little poor so I dont know if it will work worth a go.
Bike is water cooled there is no indication what temp engine is at apart from a small black LED on the DASH - hard to see and I dont want to be looking for it.
Engine Temp will show if something going slowly wrong, maybe water pump stuck or blockage etc going to fit a unit but want to look at sensor as I dont want to drill block etc.

[eldog]

Sweet as. Your first time will be pretty laid back. Bike requirement is just a good WOF standard. Your biggest problem will be stopping Sharry stealing your bike for a few laps....

Yes we will see you there next week Lance.

Im hardcore, I have my coffee in a takeaway cup.....

The bike will cost her.
next week.... to be continued - talk to Sis
Im hardcore too I have mine by the handle

[nzspokes]

Engineers and the like are fond of gauges, measures sight glasses etc.
Tactile learners tend to be more "I feel like xyz is wrong." Etc.


When im training mechanics one of the first things I ask is for them to fit a bolt and tighten it. I tell them the torque and show them how to do it. Them get them to do it. I often get told they dont bother with torque wrenches as they get it right by feel. So then you get them to do it by hand and I check the torque. Ive not had one yet that has got it right.

For gauges, In the example of an oil cooler line splitting if it had been a remotely modern motorcycle it would have given an oil pressure light warning of this oil loss and oil ending up on the back tyre. I think even Harleys have this feature.

[Big Dog]

When im training mechanics one of the first things I ask is for them to fit a bolt and tighten it. I tell them the torque and show them how to do it. Them get them to do it. I often get told they dont bother with torque wrenches as they get it right by feel. So then you get them to do it by hand and I check the torque. Ive not had one yet that has got it right.

For gauges, In the example of an oil cooler line splitting if it had been a remotely modern motorcycle it would have given an oil pressure light warning of this oil loss and oil ending up on the back tyre. I think even Harleys have this feature.

My point exactly. Gauges are good and serve a purpose. But you can't let them be the be all and end all.

Gauges on bikes are often the cheapest shit that meets some metric. Yes there was an oil pressure light. No, it did not come on.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

The best mechanics I have met use torque wrenches etc. But know when to over ride because something is not right.
Just as I use a GPS in the car. But know when to go a different way when the god says to go right and there is no road to the right.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Again instrumentation is good. Ask any pilot.
But if you'll excuse the plagiarism and artistic license, man cannot live on instrumentation alone.
Ask any pilot.
They have to be able to land a plane without instruments to qualify for that plane.

I am nobody's mechanic. But then unlike some of the mechanics I have used I have not declared a job finished without tightening then lever mounts back up after having the bars off either.
Nor have I sent a rider on their way with no oil after a service. No oil pressure light that time either, except when in the side stand after being vertical.
Didn't sound / feel right though.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

I think even Harleys have this feature.

Harleys have features?

I have seen machines with a tiny pin hole and fluid has been lost and the mschone still functions ok till all fluid has pumped out. Still didnt show on gauge. There was no tell tale signs like oil on tyre. Stuff fell on ground while travelling. Guage & light did show problem but much later. Good when you can feel when things are out

[nzspokes]

Looks like a good weekend for riding, anybody heading out?

[f2dz]

Looks like a good weekend for riding, anybody heading out?

I would be if I was around but out of Auckland this weekend.

I'll prob be going for a ride the weekend after this one.

[Grandad]

I will be back, but need to sort myself out, by myself - there is something missing I need to sort, I still dont really know what it is.

Yes the young fellow did ride well, he didnt know the road and i wasnt helping. I slowed down several times so he could see my light.

Obviously I caused drama. so I will work on my skills before I come back.

The car park skills really helped my riding but need to do them correctly and regularily (weekly or more) esp slow speed stuff


I find being surrounded by like minded non judgmental people is the best way to learn & grow. Look at how far back I was when I first started. There is no way I could be riding at the speed I am now. Still 10 - 15 in the corners. You guys on these LAMS machines give me a good look of your tail lights.
If your serious about slow speed stuff. 2 pm Saturday arvo in the carpark for the Ulysses twist n turns. Brilliant way to test your stall speed.

[nzspokes]

I find being surrounded by like minded non judgmental people is the best way to learn & grow. Look at how far back I was when I first started. There is no way I could be riding at the speed I am now. Still 10 - 15 in the corners. You guys on these LAMS machines give me a good look of your tail lights.
If your serious about slow speed stuff. 2 pm Saturday arvo in the carpark for the Ulysses twist n turns. Brilliant way to test your stall speed.

Hi Peter!

Are those extra revs helping yet?

[Grandad]

Hi Peter!

Are those extra revs helping yet?


Havent really had the opputunioty to try them but found shifting the bum helps. Spent Tuesday night at drill practice doing tight u turns and am just about down to 2 carparks now by moving out to the edge. Starting to learn 2 abreast. Not that easy keeping in line when cornering.

[Sis]

When im training mechanics one of the first things I ask is for them to fit a bolt and tighten it. I tell them the torque and show them how to do it. Them get them to do it. I often get told they dont bother with torque wrenches as they get it right by feel. So then you get them to do it by hand and I check the torque. Ive not had one yet that has got it right.

For gauges, In the example of an oil cooler line splitting if it had been a remotely modern motorcycle it would have given an oil pressure light warning of this oil loss and oil ending up on the back tyre. I think even Harleys have this feature.

Yes HArleys do have that , though I think I would have known traction was an issue before much oil had escaped.
I was down-playing needing gauges. I had gone from a sports bike where the gauges were necessary- I needed the rev counter so that I knew when I was in the power band. Now with the Harley, I know roughly what the revs are (as in it is running) and it doesn't matter with the low torque if i go into a corner in a higher gear. I just twist the throttle and it thumps its way out. Relaxed riding.

[Grandad]

Yes HArleys do have that , though I think I would have known traction was an issue before much oil had escaped.
I was down-playing needing gauges. I had gone from a sports bike where the gauges were necessary- I needed the rev counter so that I knew when I was in the power band. Now with the Harley, I know roughly what the revs are (as in it is running) and it doesn't matter with the low torque if i go into a corner in a higher gear. I just twist the throttle and it thumps its way out. Relaxed riding.

I think that was what I was trying to do but on a bike from the wrong side of the pacific

[nzspokes]

I think that was what I was trying to do but on a bike from the wrong side of the pacific

Yup, rev it. Have a play with that over the weekend. Let us know how it goes.

[Grandad]

Yup, rev it. Have a play with that over the weekend. Let us know how it goes.

Are we going to have a fine one? Would be nice to get out again.

[Sis]

I think even Harleys have this feature.

Harleys have features?

Two wheels
One engine
What other features could a girl want?


Actually I have checked my manual to find that I have
battery lamp -to indicate too high or too low charging.
Low Fuel Lamp - yep seen that little orange sucker glow
Temperature Lamp- apparently it is about the temperature of the engine and not the road surface (ice) Being an air-coolled engine does that mean when it comes on, I should go faster???
Check engine lamp- comes on whenever I turn on the ignition but quickly disappears after the onboard system has completed its checks. Quickly followed by start up and blast off.:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[nzspokes]

Are we going to have a fine one? Would be nice to get out again.

Sunday looks good.

[Grandad]

Sunday looks good.

Great I can plead fathers day treat.

[eldog]

I find being surrounded by like minded non judgmental people is the best way to learn & grow. Look at how far back I was when I first started. There is no way I could be riding at the speed I am now. Still 10 - 15 in the corners. You guys on these LAMS machines give me a good look of your tail lights.
If your serious about slow speed stuff. 2 pm Saturday arvo in the carpark for the Ulysses twist n turns. Brilliant way to test your stall speed.

working sat matey. its the only time I get to concentrate WITHOUT interruption

so you finally made it :nya:

I hardly use my brakes on the corners, famous Sis manouever (remove the bulb, while at SASS)

[eldog]

Two wheels
One engine
What other features could a girl want?


Actually I have checked my manual to find that I have
battery lamp -to indicate too high or too low charging.
Low Fuel Lamp - yep seen that little orange sucker glow
Temperature Lamp- apparently it is about the temperature of the engine and not the road surface (ice) Being an air-coolled engine does that mean when it comes on, I should go faster???
Check engine lamp- comes on whenever I turn on the ignition but quickly disappears after the onboard system has completed its checks. Quickly followed by start up and blast off.:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

is your manual double sided?

you call these features?
features are things that are added or supplied originally to be different to other machines or extras.
Check lamp goes off because it has nothing else to do LOL
what speed do you have to go to get battery lamp to go out (too high/too low)
Temp Lamp of the air head riding the bike LOL

blast = putput phizz thats what you get when you have a crack:facepalm:


just been for a ride in the rain :yes: so nice and quiet, just the road, some light rain, occassional wind gusts to keep me on my toes, and the Silence
only a few others - cars and a speed camera:wings:I was way below the speed limit as visibility was minimal

[Big Dog]

A common misconception is that the oil lamp has anything to so with oil volume or flow. The lamp only indicates it has been detected that the pressure is not optimal at the point in the circuit the sensor is located. Most will only light for insufficient pressure.
A bugger on litre plus bikes is there is often enough air pressure in the jacket from the pistons moving around to fool the sensor.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Gremlin]

A common misconception is that the oil lamp has anything to so with oil volume or flow.
Actually, my BMW will alert when the oil level is too low... It can also do an oil check when idling in neutral :D

[nzspokes]

A common misconception is that the oil lamp has anything to so with oil volume or flow. The lamp only indicates it has been detected that the pressure is not optimal at the point in the circuit the sensor is located. Most will only light for insufficient pressure.
A bugger on litre plus bikes is there is often enough air pressure in the jacket from the pistons moving around to fool the sensor.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Exactly. Normally that earth at 15 to 20 psi. So if it comes on while the motor is running hot, it will shag the motor before you get a chance to stop. I would have thought a split oil cooler line would have dropped the pressure and brought up the light.

Never heard of air pressure firing oil pressure gauges.

[nzspokes]

Actually, my BMW will alert when the oil level is too low... It can also do an oil check when idling in neutral :D

Well yes but its a BMW so I would expect that. :yes:

[Big Dog]

Exactly. Normally that earth at 15 to 20 psi. So if it comes on while the motor is running hot, it will shag the motor before you get a chance to stop. I would have thought a split oil cooler line would have dropped the pressure and brought up the light.

Never heard of air pressure firing oil pressure gauges.

Like all things on a 1988 motorcycle in 2003ish. That comes with an awful lot of depends.
Slice the hose right off and I expect not. A cut that only opens up while the engine is running? That aught to still hold pressure until the little jet of oil stops. A bit like squeezing detergent out of a dishwash bottle when the liquid stops covering the hole the pressure drops rapidly. Until then it doesn't give a jot how much is left.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Actually, my BMW will alert when the oil level is too low... It can also do an oil check when idling in neutral :D

In saying that I would have expected an oil pre-heater.:lol:

One of my old race cars I set it up I could pre-pressure the system with a long allen key and a drill, did that before a period of sitting between meetings. 2 other motors I built had electric pumps that pre-pressured the oil as we used "lose" tolerance's on the mains and big ends.

[nzspokes]

This as real as it gets. This rider did not survive this. The family have released this as a warning. This in not a nice watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq2xStb0R-c&feature=player_embedded

[Sis]

Actually, my BMW will alert when the oil level is too low... It can also do an oil check when idling in neutral :D

What, it doesn't change the oil? Being a BMW I was expecting that.

I ride a tractor (Harley) and i have to manually drain and then refill. Also I have separate transmission oil. It was obviously designed by a man because when I take off the old oil filter, it pours out all over the front and frame. I guess I am happy that the filter is very accessible in the front behind the frame, and I should be thankful for that concession.

[Gremlin]

What, it doesn't change the oil? Being a BMW I was expecting that.
Tell me about it... sheesh :oi-grr: Perhaps it's because it's visible, but tucked behind a bash plate.

When the shop does it, there is all the extra charges for plugging it into a computer, so it can say it's OK :weep:

[Sis]

Tell me about it... sheesh :oi-grr: Perhaps it's because it's visible, but tucked behind a bash plate.

When the shop does it, there is all the extra charges for plugging it into a computer, so it can say it's OK :weep:

Ahhhh there are some benefits in owning a tractor.:woohoo:

[Big Dog]

Less speeding tickets?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

I'll put my hand up as one who had some bigotry re Harley's. Often answered questions along the lines of "so when you are <insert condition> will you buy a Harley?" With answers like "when they become mandatory", when Helen Clark gets a cover on FHM" and other dismissive and derisive responses.
The, I rode one.
Still wouldn't want for an only bike because is the riding position. Unless it was work supplied I doubt I would own one as a daily rider, but never say never.
I'd quite like an old school fat boy or electraglide. with a 200 rear, kick start and button start, short and low pipes, heavy duty coil overs saddle bags etc.

Oh or the larger sporty in full cafe racer or tracker livery.

Not big on chrome or cleaning bikes so black or custom paint everything except the block.

One day. When I actually have the time and the money for pleasure riding again


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

I'll put my hand up as one who had some bigotry re Harley's.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

At Sass we dont care what you ride. As long as it can do highway speed then all is good.:niceone:

[Sis]

Less speeding tickets?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Ahhh that must be the case. I do NOT have any demerit points at the moment.

[Sis]

Thats one benefit can you think of any more LOL


Less Speeding tickets and that is a quote

[eldog]

I'll put my hand up as one who had some bigotry re Harley's. Often answered questions along the lines of "so when you are <insert condition=""> will you buy a Harley?" With answers like "when they become mandatory", when Helen Clark gets a cover on FHM" and other dismissive and derisive responses.
The, I rode one.
Still wouldn't want for an only bike because is the riding position. Unless it was work supplied I doubt I would own one as a daily rider, but never say never.
I'd quite like an old school fat boy or electraglide. with a 200 rear, kick start and button start, short and low pipes, heavy duty coil overs saddle bags etc.

Oh or the larger sporty in full cafe racer or tracker livery.

Not big on chrome or cleaning bikes so black or custom paint everything except the block.

One day. When I actually have the time and the money for pleasure riding again

Hey Big Dog,
Look back at some of my previous posts re Harleys, Hondas, Hyosung etc you will find me ribbing fellow SASS riders (who I know personally) and Yes RED Hondas are Faster.
I went to the new AMPS store the other week and saw the Drag bike which I liked the look of.
I saw several other Harleys there which I liked.
But for me the Sporter is the one I would currently choose. Like Sis's one or similar.

I only speak for myself and my biking experience is tiny. - so I am full of it.

I have joined SASS as i like the like minded people that are there. They put up a lot from me (ask them) but ask nothing in return. They are True Friends in my eyes.

Say what you will.

Nzspokes was completely right when he says there isnt any discrimination about what bike or style you ride. as long as it is safe.
SASS also promotes ATGATT and I can attest to that.

Big Dog - I think you have made some very good comments in the past, keep it up.

Still dont know how my ribbing Sis got to speeding demerits (I dont think I have had any ever or I have forgotten)

have I offended any one else?:wait:</insert>

[Big Dog]

I only have 3 criteria for people I will ride with.
1 - they don't get me killed, locked up or shot at.
2 - they don't care if I can't keep up.
3 - they don't care if they can't keep up.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

I reckon the <insert bike type or subtype here> is just another part of the exclusive nature of biking. Not the same as me? You must be different. I am right so you must be wrong.

I have yet to ride a bike I would not ride again under the right conditions.
That includes scooters, scorpios, Harley's, DRs, motards, goldwings, Hondas, Yamahas, Suzukis, Kawasakis, motoguzzi, Ducati, GN 250. Hyosung, baggers, cruisers, sports bikes, huperbikes... Etc.
The beautiful truth? They are all the right bike for someone.

The only important thing about a motorcycle? It makes someone smile.

Doesn't even have to go if it makes the owner happy.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Does anybody have anything specific they want to work on for this week?

[Sis]

Does anybody have anything specific they want to work on for this week?

I was hoping someone might put their hand up for leading. This would be a great opportunity for us all to learn what is involved in leading and TEC. These 2 places are often taken for granted.:scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scoot er:

[eldog]

Does anybody have anything specific they want to work on for this week?

I have several subjects I want to ask about - after the ride - dont worry I dont need a lecture just advice

what happens when the rear slides - what to do (I think I know the answer)

tank slappers - what they are, how they occur, how to control them (if you can) etc

what to do or even think about if things go wrong

and the obvious

ATGATT - good gear it pays

[xXGIBBOXx]

I was hoping someone might put their hand up for leading. This would be a great opportunity for us all to learn what is involved in leading and TEC. These 2 places are often taken for granted.:scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scoot er:

Smoothness .I'm still too ruff to be up the front , engine braking and powering out of corners . And I don't know my way around that we'll . If I'm on my own it's coin toss corners and I can find my way home . Enjoy TEC gives you a chance to watch others and a chance to back off and have a play and get the hoon out of the system . Hopefully coming this week litttle monkey has been a good boy and not caught any bugs in the last few days . But now that I have said that he will get sick now , good work daddy .

[nzspokes]

Smoothness .I'm still too ruff to be up the front

Smoothness is the key. That is something you can work on. And you can lead if the person behind you knows the way. Observation.

Big throttle openings out of corners is a bad habit. If on a bike with good power you can get oversteer (slide) which turns into a highside. But if you want we can chat about entering a corner and what to do.

[nzspokes]

I was hoping someone might put their hand up for leading. This would be a great opportunity for us all to learn what is involved in leading and TEC. These 2 places are often taken for granted.:scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scoot er:

Im happy to lead so everybody can be startled by the brilliance of my new tail light.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Smoothness is the key. That is something you can work on. And you can lead if the person behind you knows the way. Observation.

Big throttle openings out of corners is a bad habit. If on a bike with good power you can get oversteer (slide) which turns into a highside. But if you want we can chat about entering a corner and what to do.

Yeah it's my bad habit . Lams bike so I know I can get away with it . And yeah don't ride like that in the rain or damp - learnt that from a close calls on the 250 balls bigger that my skills .

[nzspokes]

Yeah it's my bad habit . Lams bike so I know I can get away with it . And yeah don't ride like that in the rain or damp - learnt that from a close calls on the 250 balls bigger that my skills .

As long as you know its wrong then you understand the implications of it. A big bike will kick your arse for it. We will work on smooth......

[xXGIBBOXx]

As long as you know its wrong then you understand the implications of it. A big bike will kick your arse for it. We will work on smooth......

Lol yeah my street triple will kick me off and laugh at me for being a dick and trying to ride like a fool . been studying the stats for a few years now , only double the power and torques of the hooonda .

[nzspokes]

Random vid that popped up on Facebook. Tiz porn.....

Of the motorcycle kind....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=510606002409204

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license).
Weather and venue permitting - Heavy Rain may mean that we are watching DVDs. Showers are OK, look on the thread for more up-to-date information.
Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on this thread. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

Disclaimer:
The SASS activity is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider, their machines and/or any persons involved. All people attending SASS do so at their own risk.

[Tigadee]

Wow, looks like I've missed a lot!

Been busy with putting our annual report at work together and house hunting, but am looking to come pester you guys and gals tomorrow night, and a ride, of course!

[Maha]

I have several subjects I want to ask about - after the ride - dont worry I dont need a lecture just advice

what happens when the rear slides - what to do (I think I know the answer)

tank slappers - what they are, how they occur, how to control them (if you can) etc

what to do or even think about if things go wrong

and the obvious

ATGATT - good gear it pays

I have had several rear wheel slides in one day, never really bothered me to be honest, more of a whoopee! moment, especially when you're two-up and mid corner. As long as you are not riding outside of your comfort zone, any slight screw up can be righted if you keep cool and don't panic. If you're riding quicker than normal, a high side could be on the cards because of your reaction to the slide causing the rear wheel to bite.
I have also had a front wash in road works on a slight downhill with a pillion, I just let the bike do it's thing with no brake applied and got out of it ok.
The only thing that will stuff things up for you greatly during these moments, are other vehicles and/or riding outside of your ability.
Progressive (emergency) braking is something that, once learned will be a real asset when the time comes and you need to use the technique.
Don't worry about a tank slapper, you will probably never be going quick enough for that to be an issue, if you're going quick and it happens chances are it will end dreadfully.
As Rob said earlier, being a smooth rider is a good target to aim for. Know your limit and ride accordingly, a fang is always good when the time is right.

Something else worth considering is to choose a bit of road that are just love, and go out by yourself to with the sole intention to practice one single element (at a time) where you think you can improve on. I used to do it regularly on SH16.

[xXGIBBOXx]

And monkey is sick :facepalm: has an ear infection and wifey took the day off and is working overtime tomorrow . So there goes my ride out the window . Oh well next week ? Lol

[nzspokes]

You have a top box?

[xXGIBBOXx]

Did have a topbox on the 400 .And ssh don't tempt me people

[Sis]

Did have a topbox on the 400 .And ssh don't tempt me people

You gotta watch with this bunch. They might lead you astray. Up the garden path. Or Hunua Gorge. Runicman Road. You just never know

[nzspokes]

Did have a topbox on the 400 .And ssh don't tempt me people

I can baby sit, my topbox is huge. The gentle vibrations of a V Twin will put him to sleep.

[nzspokes]

I may not be there until just before leaving time as I have a work thing to go to before.

[nzspokes]

wot about the rumble sound so smooth pacifying

De-restricted the pipes on the weekend. Was to quiet. :niceone:

[nzspokes]

Ever wondered how much your front suspension moves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpTHmQk-93g

[xXGIBBOXx]

I can baby sit, my topbox is huge. The gentle vibrations of a V Twin will put him to sleep.

Dom is just over 12kgs now , maybe over the weight limit .lol he loves bikes . Know the sound of the hoonda down the drive , and his rocking bike grandpa made

[aws]

I have several subjects I want to ask about - after the ride - dont worry I dont need a lecture just advice

what happens when the rear slides - what to do (I think I know the answer)

tank slappers - what they are, how they occur, how to control them (if you can) etc

what to do or even think about if things go wrong

and the obvious

ATGATT - good gear it pays

I won't be there tonight as I have a meeting, but my thoughts:

I don't really know much about what happens when the rear slides and I won't be trying to find out on public roads - or anytime probably. May be once in my youth - but I don't have that need these days. Of course the limits depend on your rubber, but personally I like to ride well within my rubber on the road. In my mind, sliding the rear is an advanced racing technique suited to the track. Of course a slide could be due to debris on the road or a particularly slippery surface, but most likely that kind of slide will be so fast that you won't have time to react - and if you do have time, then I'd go with the less is more approach. An over-correction is likely to work out far worse for you than an under-correction. I'm a great believer in letting the bike deal with most situations.

Tank slappers are more a feature of the bike than of your riding style - although hard acceleration out of a rough corner is going to increase the odds. Back in the days when manufacturers thought that 16" wheels were a good idea, they were much more common. Today's 17" wheels are a good compromise between stability and flickability - so unless you have a sports bike with a steep steering head rake and no damper, you shouldn't have a problem. If you do experience one, unless you've suddenly become Marc Marquez overnight, it's not likely to be too serious - probably just a quick head shake and you're on your way again. I'm pretty sure that part of the cause is that the front wheel is almost fully unloaded - the same way it's the shopping trolley wheel that is only just touching the ground that flaps around - so easing off on the throttle should help control such a tendency. Or there is the steering damper option...

[Sis]

Good night of practising leading groups of bikes. This is the carpark work we did.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50576885@N06/15164912386/in/photostream/

I am not having much luck with the pic so this is it on flickr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50576885@N06/15164912386/in/photostream/

[nzspokes]

Good night of practising leading groups of bikes. This is the carpark work we did.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50576885@N06/15164912386/in/photostream/

I am not having much luck with the pic so this is it on flickr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50576885@N06/15164912386/in/photostream/

Brilliant photo.:Punk:

[Sis]

Thanks. Lovely camera. That was with out a flash and I didn't use a tripod. It took about 5 shots and amalgamated it into one.

[f2dz]

Damn, my bike out of line kinda sucks. I'll remember to not be a rebel next time and park in line. :yes:

After the talk of the Burgman scooters - this is the reason why you buy one and have your legs in front: http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/style/tusleg037.aspx

Oh yeeeaa, would drive the ladies crazy with that one.

[Sis]

Damn, my bike out of line kinda sucks. I'll remember to not be a rebel next time and park in line. :yes:

After the talk of the Burgman scooters - this is the reason why you buy one and have your legs in front: http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/style/tusleg037.aspx

Oh yeeeaa, would drive the ladies crazy with that one.

You are , apparently, driving one particular lady crazy. Chocolate heart with your drink and then no charge. Now is it because of the sexy bike you ride...and it isn't a scooter with a fur lined cover.

[nzspokes]

Damn, my bike out of line kinda sucks. I'll remember to not be a rebel next time and park in line. :yes:

After the talk of the Burgman scooters - this is the reason why you buy one and have your legs in front: http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/style/tusleg037.aspx

Oh yeeeaa, would drive the ladies crazy with that one.

The small point you need to put your feet down...

[f2dz]

You are , apparently, driving one particular lady crazy. Chocolate heart with your drink and then no charge. Now is it because of the sexy bike you ride...and it isn't a scooter with a fur lined cover.

She has good taste if she's a fan of the gixxer!


The small point you need to put your feet down...

I dunno, the people I see riding those things are always hauling it. They probably don't have a need to ever put their feet down.

Have I missed it later in the thread, or are those ART signups not out yet? I forgot to ask last night..

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license).
Weather and venue permitting - Heavy Rain may mean that we are watching DVDs. Showers are OK, look on the thread for more up-to-date information.
Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on this thread. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

Disclaimer:
The SASS activity is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider, their machines and/or any persons involved. All people attending SASS do so at their own risk.

[nzspokes]

Attn Fraser

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/boots/auction-779255075.htm

[Tigadee]

Good night of practising leading groups of bikes. This is the carpark work we did.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50576885@N06/15164912386/in/photostream/

Oh yeah! Nice to be back too after a two month absence!

Missed my aSASSins! Preciousssssssss!

Awesome pic, Sis!


After the talk of the Burgman scooters - this is the reason why you buy one and have your legs in front: http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/style/tusleg037.aspx
Oh yeeeaa, would drive the ladies crazy with that one.

I think there may be a lady under that cover... :whistle:


Tigadee you reading this? :innocent:

Shush! Don't make me re-live the indignity of those horrific moments... I could hear myself saying "Oooooooh sheeeeeeeet!"


The small point you need to put your feet down...

Yeah, yeah, I've heard of something like that one a motorbike...

*snapping fingers* What're they called? Top sit? Side sit? Stand side? Top stand? It's right there, oh what is it?! :facepalm:

[f2dz]

Attn Fraser

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/boots/auction-779255075.htm

I've seen those, but I'd like to try on a pair before buying some.

I went to Mr Motorcycles a few weeks ago because they have them on their site but they only get them in to order. I might go back and get them to do that, but first gonna check out Motomail tomorrow hopefully.

Any news on the ART days, Rob?

[nzspokes]

Not yet. Sure it will be soon. I may pop into Motomail to.

[Sis]

This will help riders who are new to group riding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQjFvky6vw&feature=youtu.be

[nzspokes]

This will help riders who are new to group riding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQjFvky6vw&feature=youtu.be

Nice watch. Good find.

[nzspokes]

May get a pootle in tomorrow. Just not sure where to pootle. Maybe Raglin.

[Sis]

I am doing the Blue September run.

[nzspokes]

I am doing the Blue September run.

So is Sharry.

[nzspokes]

I just saw this. We want it.

I think Sharry could get on this one and be comfy. I love the American retro of it.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-774105511.htm

[Theantidote]

I am doing the Blue September run.

We'll see u there...amir and i hanging out for a cruise...blue sept will b a nice slow one...ride safe yall

[nzspokes]

Good example of always scanning.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=846763895334662

[Sis]

I have a Committee meeting this Tuesday so wont be there.
Maybe a longer ride instead of carpark work (since I have the balls). Yep, I know, just setting myself up for some very smart remarks here

[nzspokes]

So as Sis has commitments elsewhere this week, I will go TEC so we need somebody to put a hand up to lead. We can swap leaders if 2 want to.

And we need a route. So as Sis and I mostly try to work this out, this week somebody else can chose. Will be a longer than normal ride as no carpark.

[nzspokes]

shows you how quick things can happen
I would have gone behind the cyclist



To be fair that was my thoughts also. But he would have decided where he would go before he moved and before the cyclist moved more. To his eyes the gap was in front of the cyclist. I think I would have gone in front as well. Problem would have happened if there was traffic coming the other way.

[f2dz]

If it's clear tomorrow I'll be there. I can maybe lead if we go somewhere familiar. I'm bad at directions during the daytime so even worse at night.

Went to a bunch of bike shops on Saturday and might be going back next weekend or the following to make ze purchases..

Gotta love the lines they use though: "This jacket is on sale right now" "Oh really, how much?" "$800" "That's on sale?" "Yea, normally it's $1300".

"Oh hey, are these boots waterproof?" "No" "Oh okay, for $600 I thought they would be" "No, you have to buy the Goretex version if you want waterproof" "Right.. and they're $800"

-_-

[nzspokes]

If it's clear tomorrow I'll be there. I can maybe lead if we go somewhere familiar. I'm bad at directions during the daytime so even worse at night.

Went to a bunch of bike shops on Saturday and might be going back next weekend or the following to make ze purchases..

Gotta love the lines they use though: "This jacket is on sale right now" "Oh really, how much?" "$800" "That's on sale?" "Yea, normally it's $1300".

"Oh hey, are these boots waterproof?" "No" "Oh okay, for $600 I thought they would be" "No, you have to buy the Goretex version if you want waterproof" "Right.. and they're $800"

-_-

My are water proof and cost $399. Gortex is a membrane that lets moisture travel only one way. So sweat goes out. Water cant get in. Thats all it does.

Make sure you get matching pants and jacket so they zip together properly.

Good gear costs. Dont forget to get a back protector and have it on where trying the jacket and pants.

[Theantidote]

If it's clear tomorrow I'll be there. I can maybe lead if we go somewhere familiar. I'm bad at directions during the daytime so even worse at night.

Went to a bunch of bike shops on Saturday and might be going back next weekend or the following to make ze purchases..

Gotta love the lines they use though: "This jacket is on sale right now" "Oh really, how much?" "$800" "That's on sale?" "Yea, normally it's $1300".

"Oh hey, are these boots waterproof?" "No" "Oh okay, for $600 I thought they would be" "No, you have to buy the Goretex version if you want waterproof" "Right.. and they're $800"

-_-

I swear by my old skool all leather boots...bout 12 bucks off trademe...ex mot and with proper care will last me a life time of riding...only had wet feet once and that's coz i didn't reproof them soon enough...
I see a lot of guys in magnum steel caps...grunty weight leather uppers, goretex lined, and petrol,solvent oil proof soles with the internal comfort of a sportshoe....bout 150 to 200 and should last a few years...
Just a few ideas that wont break the bank....rember anything with stitching will at some stage let water in even goretex...keep it well oiled often
Ride safe yall

[nzspokes]

Weather is looking wet this morning and clearing this arvo. So should be good for tonight.

Who is coming?

Whats our route?

[Tigadee]

Won't be there, one of me kid's got a concert...

[f2dz]

I swear by my old skool all leather boots...bout 12 bucks off trademe...ex mot and with proper care will last me a life time of riding...only had wet feet once and that's coz i didn't reproof them soon enough...
I see a lot of guys in magnum steel caps...grunty weight leather uppers, goretex lined, and petrol,solvent oil proof soles with the internal comfort of a sportshoe....bout 150 to 200 and should last a few years...
Just a few ideas that wont break the bank....rember anything with stitching will at some stage let water in even goretex...keep it well oiled often
Ride safe yall

Cheers for the advice. Got my eye on some Berik GPX boots at the moment, more of a sport look to em but I'll have to wait and see how waterproof they really are.

I probably won't be there tonight either. My gear is all soaked from earlier this morning and my boots take ages to dry out, plus I've got a ton of work on I should probably stay late to finish.

Have a good ride tho y'all.

[nzspokes]

I will go to the start and see who turns up.

[nzspokes]

Cheers for the advice. Got my eye on some Berik GPX boots at the moment, more of a sport look to em but I'll have to wait and see how waterproof they really are.

I probably won't be there tonight either. My gear is all soaked from earlier this morning and my boots take ages to dry out, plus I've got a ton of work on I should probably stay late to finish.

Have a good ride tho y'all.

Sport boots for a sport bike. The cut of them will allow movements you need when in the sport position. Heavy or adventure style boots will make gear shifting and use of the rear brake harder.

[nzspokes]

Brilliant ride tonight with Peter. :Punk:

Tigadee poped into the pub after so we fixed the worlds problems.

[aws]

Cheers for the advice. Got my eye on some Berik GPX boots at the moment, more of a sport look to em but I'll have to wait and see how waterproof they really are.

I probably won't be there tonight either. My gear is all soaked from earlier this morning and my boots take ages to dry out, plus I've got a ton of work on I should probably stay late to finish.

Have a good ride tho y'all.

Yes it was quite wet this morning - I even put my overgloves on. Uncomfortable as, but they kept my gloves dry a treat. Boots were probably dry in half an hour after I took them off - only the outside since the inside never got wet. A good pair of modern waterproof boots shouldn't leak at all. I swear by Gaerne boots (Italian made quality :niceone:). I'm not really into the sport style ones, but my Altus boots are great. I loved them so much I bought a second pair - my first pair isn't really worn out, but they do get a bit damp inside in the summer so I thought it would be good to have a spare pair so I could let them really dry out properly. I hammer them pretty hard - wearing them every day - rain or shine. Never put anything on them - but occasionally clean them if I get them muddy. I got my last pair in Rotorua since there aren't many stockists up here now. First pair I made the mistake of getting them too small - I thought they should be a firm fit like shoes that will stretch. But they don't really give much and they don't need to be tight on like boots you might do a lot of walking in. I think they were around $350. I wouldn't spend less than about $250-$300 on a pair of boots if you're going to wear them every day. The first ones I bought when I got back into riding seemed like good value for about $200, but they fell apart after 6 months - and they leaked. I went to Gaerne and I've never looked back.

[f2dz]

My are water proof and cost $399. Gortex is a membrane that lets moisture travel only one way. So sweat goes out. Water cant get in. Thats all it does.

Make sure you get matching pants and jacket so they zip together properly.

Good gear costs. Dont forget to get a back protector and have it on where trying the jacket and pants.

Yea I gotta remember to pick up a back protector too.

Thinking of getting some 1tonne leathers, unless I can find a two piece zip together in a store for a comparable price. ($700)

[f2dz]

Yes it was quite wet this morning - I even put my overgloves on. Uncomfortable as, but they kept my gloves dry a treat. Boots were probably dry in half an hour after I took them off - only the outside since the inside never got wet. A good pair of modern waterproof boots shouldn't leak at all. I swear by Gaerne boots (Italian made quality :niceone:). I'm not really into the sport style ones, but my Altus boots are great. I loved them so much I bought a second pair - my first pair isn't really worn out, but they do get a bit damp inside in the summer so I thought it would be good to have a spare pair so I could let them really dry out properly. I hammer them pretty hard - wearing them every day - rain or shine. Never put anything on them - but occasionally clean them if I get them muddy. I got my last pair in Rotorua since there aren't many stockists up here now. First pair I made the mistake of getting them too small - I thought they should be a firm fit like shoes that will stretch. But they don't really give much and they don't need to be tight on like boots you might do a lot of walking in. I think they were around $350. I wouldn't spend less than about $250-$300 on a pair of boots if you're going to wear them every day. The first ones I bought when I got back into riding seemed like good value for about $200, but they fell apart after 6 months - and they leaked. I went to Gaerne and I've never looked back.

I saw some Gaerne's at Red Baron on the weekend but they're almost double what the Berik versions were gonna cost.

I definitely regret buying my current Alpinestar boots though. They were waterproof for maybe 6 months but now they leak as bad as sneakers..

[nzspokes]

Tigadee, how is your wee purchase going?

[gabsta]

Hi everyone,

I am very new to biking, have just bought a bike, yamaha xvs400, and keen to go on some of these rides. Are these Tuesday night rides still going on? (tbh, too many pages to go through to find updates...)

Any new info about them?

Thanks!!




South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

After checking out NASS, I thought it would be time to try another SASS

Same Rules as NASS apply

South Auckland Street Skills - SASS
What: Riding skills practise
When: Tuesday Nights, starting on Feb 2nd 2011
Where: Meet at Shell Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (Check thread for updates)
Who: Riders and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal and hold a license)

Why:
Practice essential skills to stay alive on the road.
Practical help with your riding.
Meet new friends.
Network with other Riders.
Time: 6:45pm (Departing 7pm) from Shell Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI , arriving at the Manukau Car Park, opposite the Courthouse on Wiri Station Road.
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=manukau+city+council&sll=-37.086765,174.938393&sspn=0.012359,0.019248&ie=UTF8&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=&ll=-36.994815,174.880747&spn=0.006187,0.009624&z=17
Social time afterwards at where ever we decide
Cost: Nil, nudda, nothing. Just your time and attention.


Weather Permitting -
Heavy Rain will mean that we are watching dvds . Showers ok, look on the thread for more up to date information.

Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.
When the weather is not nice we will be indoors watching educational dvds .
Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on the thread.

Check the thread for more information...


Disclaimer:
The SASS is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider and/or any persons involved. All people attending the SASS do so at their own risk.

[nzspokes]

Hi everyone,

I am very new to biking, have just bought a bike, yamaha xvs400, and keen to go on some of these rides. Are these Tuesday night rides still going on? (tbh, too many pages to go through to find updates...)

Any new info about them?

Thanks!!

Welcome!

Yes it is. Weather looks good for this week to!

[nzspokes]

Looking for a leader and route. Hands up.

[Grandad]

THANKS SIS

This is great - I started my group ride basically knowing nothing about group rides apart from reading that they could be good for confidence etc, what a shock

somewhere on KB there should be a place forum etc that has this sort of stuff so anyone can go and look, and look again if required
something that can be added to but should be 'cared for' with out all the usual fun KB retoric
it should have things noobs etc can look out for - road safety, esp things like loose metal, tar bleed and rain, diesel etc
suggested ideas to get more experience on these types of events which you usually experience once. I am talking about people who havent ridden before or have very little experience.
maybe some light off road stuff to experience what happens when the rear or front or both slide and what to do - it doesnt have to be much
just pointers to something or somewhere to get more info
Things like what happens if you light goes out or you get a flat tyre, what you need to know type of stuff.

Just small general stuff

OK there are ACC sponsored courses and I have done training but they tend to miss these types of things and other things like group riding protocols etc
It can be scary when a experienced rider pulls up beside you less than a foot away when you are doing 100 kph and you are only just learning to control the bike yourself.

maybe I am out of line

But I care. Thanks SIS - SASS you :Punk:

Hit the nail on the head here. As a newby/oldby a site as you describe would be invaluable. You have to wade through a lot of bs before you actually get to read the good stuff. Basic skills are overlooked. Maybe we could twist Robs arm for more pre ride quick tips.

[nzspokes]

I saw some Gaerne's at Red Baron on the weekend but they're almost double what the Berik versions were gonna cost.

I definitely regret buying my current Alpinestar boots though. They were waterproof for maybe 6 months but now they leak as bad as sneakers..

Go shopping? Show and tell on Tuesday night?

[nzspokes]

F2dz, this is the email address to book your spot. Some hold up with entry forms. colleenryanthompson@gmail.com

Looks like I will be doing the MotoTT day at Taupo the week before as well. :clap:

[f2dz]

Go shopping? Show and tell on Tuesday night?

Nope – the rain encouraged me to stay indoors. Will be going this weekend instead.


F2dz, this is the email address to book your spot. Some hold up with entry forms. colleenryanthompson@gmail.com

Looks like I will be doing the MotoTT day at Taupo the week before as well. :clap:

Cool, thanks for that, have sent an email to them. Is MotoTT a bit more full on? I wouldn't mind going to Taupo but think I'll be waiting til the end of the season to do that.

[nzspokes]

Taupo moto tt looks a bit more laid back. But not done one.

[f2dz]

How many are there over summer? I'd love to have a go round Taupo.

[nzspokes]

Look at the motott website for dates. They are doing a few.

[f2dz]

Yea I would've thought so.

Maybe we can talk about that 1,000km ride tomorrow too. I still need to do the sign up for that. Has anyone confirmed what the plan is for that too?

[nzspokes]

They have no trouble getting booked out.

[f2dz]

You gonna head along Lance?

[nzspokes]

It's all volunteers. Like Sass. I believe the club covers costs. Weekdays wouldnt work. In saying that motott is a Friday.

[Sis]

Hit the nail on the head here. As a newby/oldby a site as you describe would be invaluable. You have to wade through a lot of bs before you actually get to read the good stuff. Basic skills are overlooked. Maybe we could twist Robs arm for more pre ride quick tips.

The BS comes with the territory. Thought you might have noticed that by now, young fella.
There are sites that are dedicated to motorbike safety - just google that and see what you get.
Any site that is open to individuals (such as this one) is susceptible to incorrect knowledge, and the people writing it may not be aware how incorrect the info is. That is the real scarey bit.
The following link gives you a check sheet for not only checking out a new bike but also a reminder of what you should be looking at on your bike at regular intervals.
https://micapeak.com/info/T-CLOCK.html

I am about to do a little road trip and I will be checking the bike(tractor) using this as a guide.
This list still misses a few points.
See if you can find them. We can talk it over tomorrow night

Added - the following link is under MSF and has a T-CLOCK on one page - much easier. Also has other material.

http://www.msf-usa.org/library.aspx#quick-tips-link

[nzspokes]

Hit the nail on the head here. As a newby/oldby a site as you describe would be invaluable. You have to wade through a lot of bs before you actually get to read the good stuff. Basic skills are overlooked. Maybe we could twist Robs arm for more pre ride quick tips.

Well dont twist to hard, doc just put me in a brace for a month. <_<

Im ok to ride though.:shifty:

[nzspokes]

:laugh: :facepalm: this is why I am waiting to get back to riding

Its just to stabilize it when using my computer at work. I asked about riding and she said its fine.

[Sis]

Its just to stabilize it when using my computer at work. I asked about riding and she said its fine.

So it isn't what I thought might have been braced then.;)

[nzspokes]

So it isn't what I thought might have been braced then.;)

:nono:

Tomorrow night we will have a quick chat about riding in the wind. Which I did today.

[nzspokes]

bet you didn't tell her it was a big Red motorbike did you :innocent:
and that you are going to do track days either :bleh:

and you are riding to Taupo on the bike and back :shit::no:

A BIG RED MOTORBIKE - goes FASTER

Italian red thank you.....

No bike will be on the trailer as Im taking crew with me.

[nzspokes]

Now something I posted a while back and am trying to work the time to do myself. http://iam.org.nz/motorcycles/

Have a read and something else we can discuss tomorrow.

[nzspokes]

Mate, they could hold several of these and get lots of people (paying) to turn up



California Superbike School, MotoTT and Prorider all run training track days as well. There is not a lack of them.

[nzspokes]

Who is coming?

Who is going to be our leader?

What is our route?

Weather looks good but may be cold. :cold: Bring warm gear.

It is our last night before daylight savings.

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license).
Weather and venue permitting - Heavy Rain may mean that we are watching DVDs. Showers are OK, look on the thread for more up-to-date information.
Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on this thread. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

Disclaimer:
The SASS activity is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider, their machines and/or any persons involved. All people attending SASS do so at their own risk.

[Tigadee]

Sorry lads and ladies, I'm off the road till the new rear brake switch arrives. Meanwhile my WOF and rego have expired AND I am busy packing to move homes.

Shall see you in two weeks, hopefully!

[nzspokes]

Sorry lads and ladies, I'm off the road till the new rear brake switch arrives. Meanwhile my WOF and rego have expired AND I am busy packing to move homes.

Shall see you in two weeks, hopefully!

So you got it?

[Tigadee]

Botany Honda said two weeks for the part - be $31 plus labour.

Meanwhile, Black Beauty's sitting quiet and lonely in the garage but I go down and talk to her while I am packing and clearing the garage...

[nzspokes]

I did mean did you get the big purchase?

[eldog]

The BS comes with the territory. Thought you might have noticed that by now, young fella.
There are sites that are dedicated to motorbike safety - just google that and see what you get.
Any site that is open to individuals (such as this one) is susceptible to incorrect knowledge, and the people writing it may not be aware how incorrect the info is. That is the real scarey bit.
The following link gives you a check sheet for not only checking out a new bike but also a reminder of what you should be looking at on your bike at regular intervals.
https://micapeak.com/info/T-CLOCK.html

I am about to do a little road trip and I will be checking the bike(tractor) using this as a guide.
This list still misses a few points.
See if you can find them. We can talk it over tomorrow night

Added - the following link is under MSF and has a T-CLOCK on one page - much easier. Also has other material.

http://www.msf-usa.org/library.aspx#quick-tips-link


I can think of 2 at least, without looking at the listand they are the major ones

[f2dz]

Who is coming?

Who is going to be our leader?

What is our route?

Weather looks good but may be cold. :cold: Bring warm gear.

It is our last night before daylight savings.

I should be there, all being well. Unless I get tied up at work again.

I've signed up for the ART day a few weekends away. Rob, if you have any spare space on your trailer I will offer you beer/food/money for a spot on it.

Can chat about things later tonight though. Getting pretty excited about it!

[Sis]

Sorry lads and ladies, I'm off the road till the new rear brake switch arrives. Meanwhile my WOF and rego have expired AND I am busy packing to move homes.

Shall see you in two weeks, hopefully!

Good luck with the move

[aws]

Italian red thank you.....

No bike will be on the trailer as Im taking crew with me.

Surely it has to be Italian to be red... :p

[nzspokes]

Thanks guys, another great night.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Good ride last night , good to blow out the cobwebs and get out of the house .lol

[Grandad]

Good ride last night , good to blow out the cobwebs and get out of the house .lol

Was enjoyable all right. good to throw in a route we don't often take. Variety is the spice of something. Roll on daylight saving I say. Cant wait to actually see through the corners. Got to be worth a least 10 more kph.

[nzspokes]

I almost did a "Brian" last night. Was at work getting ready to come home today. Wondered why my top box was wobbling. Turns out a crack round its mount was holding by 2mm of steel.

No undies in my box though so I was safe.

[Theantidote]

I almost did a "Brian" last night. Was at work getting ready to come home today. Wondered why my top box was wobbling. Turns out a crack round its mount was holding by 2mm of steel.

No undies in my box though so I was safe.

Dang mr spokes...coulda been a runner for the tigs undie 500....better luck next time....hope to see yalll next week

[f2dz]

Was enjoyable all right. good to throw in a route we don't often take. Variety is the spice of something. Roll on daylight saving I say. Cant wait to actually see through the corners. Got to be worth a least 10 more kph.

Was a good one, and good leading on your part too.


I almost did a "Brian" last night. Was at work getting ready to come home today. Wondered why my top box was wobbling. Turns out a crack round its mount was holding by 2mm of steel.

No undies in my box though so I was safe.

I thought you were gonna say that you did a karate roll off the bike.. :msn-wink:

[eldog]

Was a good one, and good leading on your part too.



I thought you were gonna say that you did a karate roll off the bike.. :msn-wink:

I electrocuted myself today - does that count? - not dead yet :nya:

[Big Dog]

I electrocuted myself today - does that count? - not dead yet :nya:

Sounds like a good reason to go for a ride to me.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[eldog]

Sounds like a good reason to go for a ride to me.

too busy trying to get killed :brick:

bike currently surrounded by water - trying to swim to it, then
gotta check the bike TCLOCS before I ride next, otherwise nexminut :argh:

[eldog]

:Offtopic:Will someone let me know if the nice young man from the North Shore comes back.

I want to talk to him, just so that he knows it was nothing to do with him or SASS just ME


MHE - I have to grow up, face reality, get stuff sorted and mainly get better at riding (thats me I am talking about in case you are wondering)





SASS is a great place

[eldog]

:facepalm: :scooter::yes: = :Punk:, :shutup: no more :violin: -> :wings:

celebrating by drinking at home, cant stand up, LOL

[Maakz]

Leg less mate...:drinkup: Yeah water & electricity aint a good mix.:blink: Hmmm NZ Transport or Auckland Transport-that is the question to which I am totally clueless...bajajaja:laugh: Hmmm there's too much Undie almost 500 emulation going on round here, it's lewd I say - LEWD!:Police:

[nzspokes]

I may or may not be there this week. Have some work to do on the bike for a track day on Friday. Depends on how its working out.

[Grandad]

I may or may not be there this week. Have some work to do on the bike for a track day on Friday. Depends on how its working out.

Hope you can make it. Had a great ride yesterday. Me and pillion down to Thames for morning tea via Kaiaua. Good weather road etc. Plently going down on our way back too. Another weekend and yet another fatal involving us two wheelers. 1 in Coromandel and a serious one in Canterbury. Got to stop leaving out the brain when putting on the helmet.

[nzspokes]

This is a bit more advanced as it takes the assumption you have basic cornering skills but an interesting watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkAtWiRq8Q0

[f2dz]

I may or may not be there this week – got some personal projects that I need to make some progress on and Tuesday is the only night of the week when I can actually get some work done.

Placed an order for a Drift Ghost-S camera on the weekend so I'll bring that along as soon as I get it.

Will be ordering all ma leathers, new gloves and new boots hopefully today too, in preparation for the ART day on the 11th. Getting excited!

[nzspokes]

Dont forget back protector

[f2dz]

Dont forget back protector

Haven't forgotten about that – hoping to grab one off of James that he mentioned he had, otherwise I'll duck across to Motomail between now and then for one.

[eldog]

Haven't forgotten about that – hoping to grab one off of James that he mentioned he had, otherwise I'll duck across to Motomail between now and then for one.

tyre warmers, got your pit crew girls lined up? slicks and wet shoes in case of H2O, go for it

[Sis]

I plan on being at SASS tomorrow night.
Though I still haven't cleaned the Harley from the recent road trip.

[bawked]

I'm back up in auckland but won't be there this week, my bike is getting new jets chucked in it. So hopefully next week!

[nzspokes]

Haven't forgotten about that – hoping to grab one off of James that he mentioned he had, otherwise I'll duck across to Motomail between now and then for one.

Make sure you take your gear and try it on with the protector. They can make for a snug fit.

Are you getting a onesy?

[nzspokes]

I should be there. Bike setup is done. It is in track mode.

[Theantidote]

I plan on being at SASS tomorrow night.
Though I still haven't cleaned the Harley from the recent road trip.

Ohhh thats a good looking foto of the boike miss sis....hope to see u all 2moro

[aws]

Signed up for the ART day too. Got my track insurance cover sorted today. Just need to find a back protector. Spokes - does it have to be separate from the jacket, or can I get a proper back protector that fits in my jacket? Not sure about pants - my existing mis-matched ones do actually zip to my jacket, but they now leak something terrible so I might see what Motomail has on special.

[nzspokes]

Signed up for the ART day too. Got my track insurance cover sorted today. Just need to find a back protector. Spokes - does it have to be separate from the jacket, or can I get a proper back protector that fits in my jacket? Not sure about pants - my existing mis-matched ones do actually zip to my jacket, but they now leak something terrible so I might see what Motomail has on special.

It is my understanding you have to have a separate strap protector. You may want to clarify that with them. If you are in textile I think you can only do group 1. They dont care if your pants leak. :laugh: Which group have you signed up for? You have done track before?

[nzspokes]

If your along tomorrow night I can go through how it runs and gear etc. If not looking wet tomorrow i will be in my leathers. I hope they still fit.....

[Kartik]

Hey guys, it's been a while. Hopefully I should be there tonight on my new ride. :D

[f2dz]

tyre warmers, got your pit crew girls lined up? slicks and wet shoes in case of H2O, go for it

Maybe I can convince my coffee making friend to be my pit girl..


I'm back up in auckland but won't be there this week, my bike is getting new jets chucked in it. So hopefully next week!

Be good to see you back man.


Make sure you take your gear and try it on with the protector. They can make for a snug fit.

Are you getting a onesy?

I'll make sure to do that. Nope, no onesy for me. Getting stuff from 1tonne though so I'll bring that along next week once I get it.


Signed up for the ART day too.

What group are you in? I'm in group 1.


Hey guys, it's been a while. Hopefully I should be there tonight on my new ride. :D

Hayabusa? :O

[nzspokes]

If you are new to track you should start in group 1.

[Kartik]

Lol. I wish. Nope its just a commuter.

[Braden]

New here and am keen to come check it out tonight

[nzspokes]

See you there. Weather looks good.

[gabsta]

Thanks for the meet up tonight guys and gals. Sorry I had to gap before the sun came down. Will practice heaps over the next few weeks to hopefully work my way out of night time curfew to enjoy the full ride with you guys!

See ya'll around!!

[nzspokes]

Thanks for the meet up tonight guys and gals. Sorry I had to gap before the sun came down. Will practice heaps over the next few weeks to hopefully work my way out of night time curfew to enjoy the full ride with you guys!

See ya'll around!!

Nice to meet you tonight. Nice new bike to. :headbang:

[Grandad]

Thanks for the meet up tonight guys and gals. Sorry I had to gap before the sun came down. Will practice heaps over the next few weeks to hopefully work my way out of night time curfew to enjoy the full ride with you guys!

See ya'll around!!


Great to have you along tonight. It was another great ride. Suddenly things are starting to click into place and those nasty right handers are getting better. Just downloading the gopro. Looks good so far. Have to figure out how to upload them.

[nzspokes]

Have to figure out how to upload them.

Make sure you download the right one. What has been seen cannot be unseen. :laugh:

[aws]

What group are you in? I'm in group 1.



Group 1 - don't need to get too carried away.

[nzspokes]

Group 1 - don't need to get too carried away.

Another little rule i have not mentioned about the ART day. If you happen to have an off. Which is not likely, you and your bike will be but on a trailer. And driven through the pits. Slowly. You may encounter some ridicule from your fellow riders.:crazy:

AWS, rule on the back protector. "It needs to be a hard shell and preferably articulated back protector. An in jacket one will be passed but not if it is simply a foam insert". But the comment was made that a proper Back protector is far safer and is the recommended option.

My views on this is well known. I wont ride without one. My spine is more important than a few dollars for a back protector. Its not a magic devise that will save you but it stacks the odds in your favor. And if your jacket moves or a zip fails its another bit of slide protection.

[nzspokes]

Only if its hard shell.

[Sharry]

This is how I found out what I needed on an ART day.......

http://amcc.org.nz/index.php/menu-ridertraining/entry-forms/136-art-entry-form-11th-october-2014-demo-2.html

If you think only half our spine is worth protecting by all means wear a half sized back protector, if you think your entire spine is worth protecting wear a full sized one.