South Auckland Street Skills

[xXGIBBOXx]

Hey everyone are we riding tonight ? Or did we all have a play in the long week end ?

[Tigadee]

I'm keen for a ride! :cool:

[Monkfish]

I should be there next week as I get my license back on the 4th :)

Oh I was trawling YouTube for Vids of NZ biker Rally's and I stumbled upon last years Thunderbike rally, to Whitianga.

Take a look and see who it is at 2:22 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ3H3LUzEYk

[SNF]

I'm keen, legal again and have new boots. Okay to meet by your place again Brian?

[Sis]

I should be there next week as I get my license back on the 4th :)

Oh I was trawling YouTube for Vids of NZ biker Rally's and I stumbled upon last years Thunderbike rally, to Whitianga.

Take a look and see who it is at 2:22 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ3H3LUzEYk

It will be great to catch up with you.
And interesting seeing that face :eek: but it was like half a frame. If you blinked you missed him. Saw more of his son though

I am going to be joining in tonight

[Maakz]

coming....time to get ma ride on!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tigadee]

Awesome ride, good crowd! Thanks Sis! :niceone:


I'm keen, legal again and have new boots. Okay to meet by your place again Brian?

:yes: Glad you could make it!


I should be there next week as I get my license back on the 4th :)

Aw mate! It'll be good to see you again and back on two wheels... :yes:

[grover-nz]

Thanks for the ride and sorry I had to bail at Puke. Should be a good way for my brother-in-law to start getting some confidence with his newly found license.

[Sis]

Thanks for the ride and sorry I had to bail at Puke. Should be a good way for my brother-in-law to start getting some confidence with his newly found license.

That's what we are about. Egos should be left at home. There were some very competent riders in last nights ride but you may not of picked them out as we were keeping an eye out for everyone in the ride.
Pity you didn't stay on.
I managed to get my balls out - for the first time this year.:Punk: We all admitted we were a bit rusty on the carpark exercises (where I set up the balls for some counter-steering and braking).
Then on to the pub where we talked heaps of shit as well as some interesting stuff. :woohoo:

[grover-nz]

Tight cornering is where I need some skills.

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[Theantidote]

I should be there next week as I get my license back on the 4th :)

Oh I was trawling YouTube for Vids of NZ biker Rally's and I stumbled upon last years Thunderbike rally, to Whitianga.

Take a look and see who it is at 2:22 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ3H3LUzEYk

it was one of the best organised group rides i've ever had the pleasure of doing...and yes the lil dude was extremely popular with the whole group...i forget how many but between 100 - 200 after hamilclown and no incidents the whole trip...if you're thinking of doing a weekender this is a great one to lose your virginity on...
lil antidote took out the biggest prize of the weekend...a brand new Ferrari...well a ride homme from school in one...
sorry i missed u guys i'll be turning up once dude is back at school and things settle this term at work...looking forward to seeing maakz, sis, tigs, mr gibbo, mr fish et al...
until we see u again please ride safe, have fun and don't hesitate to pop in for a coffee...just txt me to make sure i'm home...flat whites, lattes or long blacks are free for fellow aSASSin's...pm me for number if you don't have it....
and in support of sis...you'll see us early at the helicopter run coming up...rain or shine...

[Tigadee]

Tight cornering is where I need some skills.

Definitely can help you there, we will... :yes:

Riderskills (http://www.riderskills.co.nz/) also offers excellent formal training too, talk to Phil if you get the chance.

[Sis]

I have been thinking and instead of a ride next week, what say we do Twilight Road and West Road, round and round, focussing just on cornering.
You would get some up hill practise and then some down hill control.
I would recommend buddying up - that is doing it in 2's, one following and then commenting, before switching and being the lead. So bring along a riding buddy if you want.

I am eagerly looking forward to everyone's thoughts....

[nzspokes]

I like the idea Sis just not the location. Maybe Skyhigh Rd? Twilight is to tight for it I think.

I will try to be there next week if life allows. I have a few ideas for this from things ive been learning at the track.

[Theantidote]

and as u say mr spokes...if life allows i'll be there with bells on...

[Sis]

The idea is that it is a small circuit so that one can get familiar and go round and round.
I think Sky high is too big to go round and round.
Unless you can give us a plan

[Maakz]

I don't mind doing a windy loop rather than car park. I need some practice too...then again, I just pootle along.

[xXGIBBOXx]

I like the idea a lot . Bloody cool :banana:

[nzspokes]

The idea is that it is a small circuit so that one can get familiar and go round and round.
I think Sky high is too big to go round and round.
Unless you can give us a plan

I do get that. The problem I see with Twightlight is that its has to many tight turns that you cant see through and you wont be able to see your buddy. I know of 1 crash on that road that was caused by drivers crossing the centreline.

How about Runciman Rd then go up to Bombay, back down Tigadee Top Box road? Bit longer but plenty of vision and lots of places to stop and discuss. We could even use Ararimu, Paparata Roads? Ararimu would be good as again lots of vision.

Things not looking good for me making it sadly. Good few stressers happening next Tuesday.

[nzspokes]

Then again I may be able to make it.....

[Sis]

You are sounding like a woman - can't make up your mind :rolleyes:
But it would be good if you could make it.:niceone:


I have done mentoring training course using the lay out I mentioned. The stop is at the Clevedon Hall where there is a good car park (as well as toilets). So you just keep going around the block and coming back to the hall. You get to know the corners quite well.

Some of the corners are tight and blind - good practise. Also so slow that you are going to keep a pair of bikes reasonably close together. You don't have to be holding hands.
Also we know that the major help with cornering is the speed/position that one enters and the buddy will be able to see that.

Also the point with practise is not to go fast but to get everything correct and practise practise practise. Then before you realize it, your speed will have increased and you will be riding safer, without having to think of your lines - it will just happen.

Leaving you to enjoy the ride and keep an eye out for other dangers

[nzspokes]

You are sounding like a woman - can't make up your mind :rolleyes:
But it would be good if you could make it.:niceone:




Fair enough.

Its not making up my mind that is the problem......

[SNF]

Fair enough.

Its not making up my mind that is the problem......

Just go. I actually wish I had started going sooner. Best fun you'll ever have on a Tuesday night (well, almost.....)

[Tigadee]

You are sounding like a woman - can't make up your mind

:laugh:

Anyway, I'm keen on the circuit thing... :yes: Twilight's raised my hairs a few times so it'll be good to conquer it!

[nzspokes]

Just go. I actually wish I had started going sooner. Best fun you'll ever have on a Tuesday night (well, almost.....)

OK, you can show me the ropes. :msn-wink:

[Monkfish]

Me and the flame throwing backfiring suzuki will be there if she gets a warrant tomorrow. I cant wait!!!

[Sis]

Me and the flame throwing backfiring suzuki will be there if she gets a warrant tomorrow. I cant wait!!!

You might have to put a sock in it to get the warrant. Or maybe something that wont go up in flames.

Really looking forward to you joining us again.

[SNF]

OK, you can show me the ropes. :msn-wink:

Think with 900cc it'll be the other way around lol

[Maakz]

Come on Monkfish buddddyyyyyyyy!!!!!! Spokey..........where for art thou Spokey??????????? If we don't see you, we might have to land on your doorstep and clutter up the place...lol...hoping to be there.

[Tigadee]

Come on Monkfish buddddyyyyyyyy!!!!

Yo, hope to see you tonight, Mikey!


Spokey..........where for art thou Spokey??????????? If we don't see you, we might have to land on your doorstep and clutter up the place...lol...hoping to be there.

Might not be a bad idea! :blip:

[nzspokes]

Think with 900cc it'll be the other way around lol

Nah Im hopeless.

[nzspokes]

Come on Monkfish buddddyyyyyyyy!!!!!! Spokey..........where for art thou Spokey??????????? If we don't see you, we might have to land on your doorstep and clutter up the place...lol...hoping to be there.

We wouldnt mind that.

I will be there as long as a couple of things fall into place during the day. And work doesnt run out of coffee......

[aws]

I've cancelled a meeting so I can be there tonight. :scooter: Hope the weather holds and we get another nice evening like yesterday. Also, bike is in for it's service so hopefully nothing untoward shows up there. Although it would be kinda nice to take the GSR750 they loaned me for a bit of a proper test ride :yes:.

[aws]

Also, I like the Twilight idea as long as we're going up Twilight. I'm not such a fan of Skyhigh as there is a lot of braking coming down thru quite tight corners. I'm not such a fan of West Road compared to Twilight, but overall I like the idea. I think the key with Twilight is to not rush.

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license)
WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

[Tigadee]

Although it would be kinda nice to take the GSR750 they loaned me for a bit of a proper test ride :yes:.

Ohhhhhh, would love a look at her if you're still riding it tonight!

[Monkfish]

ill be there tonight, I got my license back!!!!

a good bit of Sass to brush up the skills.

[Tigadee]

a good bit of SASS to brush up the skills.

:lol: Or slow you down... :whistle:

[Monkfish]

:lol: Or slow you down... :whistle:




don't worry i will be, three months is simply too long to not ride. Period. 😉





Monkfish

[nzspokes]

I will be there.

[Sis]

don't worry i will be, three months is simply too long to not ride. Period. 





Monkfish

Just be careful - you probably have the DT's now (after being sooooo long off the bike)

[xXGIBBOXx]

Came home to a grumpy little man , so no ride for me tonight . Enjoy peeps catch ya next week .

[Monkfish]

Sorry couldn't make it last night.

The bike started to develop clutch issues yesterday.. :(

[Tigadee]

Was a superb session last night, challenging and educational (and some good stories to take home). Thanks Sis and Rob!


Came home to a grumpy little man , so no ride for me tonight . Enjoy peeps catch ya next week .

Give him beer and tell him to man up! :laugh: See ya next week, mate...

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Sorry couldn't make it last night.
The bike started to develop clutch issues yesterday..

Gutted! Hope she's fixed soon!

[aws]

Those who missed the ride last night missed a top ride - a twilight on Twilight

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[xXGIBBOXx]

Sorry couldn't make it last night.

The bike started to develop clutch issues yesterday.. :(

From all the burnouts in the shed yeah ? Lol

[nzspokes]

Was good riding last Tuesday. I hoping to make more. Some great improvement shown.

Must remember to not use smoke visor.....

FZR250, let me know if you want to do the odd weekend ride.

[nzspokes]

Interesting watch here guys. This way of thinking will improve your riding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4UeBwIlAlxs

[SNF]

Yeah a weekend ride would be great, little busy this weekend though

[nzspokes]

Yeah a weekend ride would be great, little busy this weekend though

I have my kids this weekend so no riding.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Hope you all had a fun weekend , I'm out this week . ( worked 7 days last week ) all weekend at the Classic fest still have to go back today to get stuffs .lol catch ya next week yo

[Tigadee]

Looking good for tomorrow evening... See you there! :niceone:

[nzspokes]

I should be there.

[SNF]

I'll be there if I pass my wof, it should do - here's to a clean sheet!

[SNF]

Best type of wof - clean sheet. Also gave it some fresh oil. It means I'll be there.

[Tigadee]

:banana: Great to hear, FZR250!

Weather report is looking better and better... so expect a good ride, aSASSins! :2thumbsup

[Tigadee]

Thought this would make a good daily exercise for everyone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkXw3Ca4FY

[nzspokes]

Sorry, I cant watch that. The guy needs to keep his head still.:sick:

[Tigadee]

Sorry, I cant watch that. The guy needs to keep his head still.

:laugh: What happens when you stick a camera on a helmet... besides, it is good practice in action.

[Tigadee]

Looks alright tomorrow evening... Let's kick the tires and light the fires, aSASSins! :headbang:

[SNF]

This time I won't leave my keys behind :lol:

[Tigadee]

This time I won't leave my keys behind

You'd better not, since we've established that none of us has a key which could be remotely used to turn your bike back on!

[nzspokes]

Looks alright tomorrow evening... Let's kick the tires and light the fires, aSASSins! :headbang:

I shall be there. Have any luck with the pegs Tigadee?

I did a 600k ride yesterday to Opononi. Was much fun.

[Tigadee]

I shall be there. Have any luck with the pegs Tigadee?

Found them! :niceone:


I did a 600k ride yesterday to Opononi. Was much fun.

:shit: Lovely!

Was in Ararimu Saturday - beautiful day and had a great time...

[blue rider]

OMG good news, i have a minion on Wednesdays from 12th of March onwards, which means I might be able to come over for a pootle or two.

yei, will be fun seeing you guys again....:hug:

[Sis]

OMG good news, i have a minion on Wednesdays from 12th of March onwards, which means I might be able to come over for a pootle or two.

yei, will be fun seeing you guys again....:hug:


Except we do this on TUESDAYS now

[Sis]

Looks like I wont be doing the bike ride this week as I still have my guests.
With any luck, I will drag them along to the pub though

[nzspokes]

Looks like Im leading then. I will come up with a plan....:yes:

[Tigadee]

OMG good news, i have a minion on Wednesdays from 12th of March onwards, which means I might be able to come over for a pootle or two.

Wow, it HAS been a long time, aye?

Hope you can make it Tuesdays!


Looks like Im leading then. I will come up with a plan....

You gonna be teaching us wheelies?

Will bring the pegs...

[f2dz]

I will be along to this for the first time in over a year.

I'll be the guy with the scary helmet and the not so scary bike.

[Maakz]

Hi peoples, tied up at work - not literally but you know :facepalm: Anyhoo, won't make the ride portion of tonight but may pop by the watering hole.:msn-wink: Can someone text me when yous start to congregate pretty please? :innocent:

[f2dz]

Boss came up to me at 5 saying he needed something out today so I had to stay late, sigh. What are the chances..

Only got home at 7pm so I went to the gym instead to throw some weights around to relieve some frustration. I'll try again for next week. Hope your ride was good today y'all - perfect weather.

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license).
Weather Permitting - Heavy Rain will mean that we are watching DVDs. Showers are OK, look on the thread for more up-to-date information.
Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on this thread. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

Disclaimer:
The SASS activity is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider, their machines and/or any persons involved. All people attending SASS do so at their own risk.

[Tigadee]

Boss came up to me at 5 saying he needed something out today so I had to stay late, sigh. What are the chances..
Only got home at 7pm so I went to the gym instead to throw some weights around to relieve some frustration. I'll try again for next week.

Sorry to hear that... Gym is good! (Not as good as riding but at least it's healthy!)


Hope your ride was good today y'all - perfect weather.

Indeed it was...

[xXGIBBOXx]

Who's the little Scorpio ? Catch ya next week yo . Dumb this office work stuff is hard .lol give me a day of hard labour any day

[Tigadee]

Who's the little Scorpio?

New fella to SASS - Lance. Has ambitions for a big BMW in the future as he's already got his full BMW gear from jackets, pants to helmet. There's a fella who knows what he wants to ride!


give me a day of hard labour any day

Thought you got that when you get home to the little guy? :laugh:

[xXGIBBOXx]

Nar little man pays in smiles and pure cheekyness .

[SNF]

Glad I washed my bike today didn't look bad in the pic! Great ride tonight thanks guys.

[Tigadee]

Glad I washed my bike today didn't look bad in the pic! Great ride tonight thanks guys.

They almost always look good in pics, which is why it pays to inspect and test a bike in person if possible when shopping for one... :laugh:

[Maakz]

Hey Peops. Sis-sorry I couldn't make it to the Heli Charity Ride, went on another charity ride up to Kaikohe yest and promptly albeit un-intentially got heat strike. :o Long arduous day and slow going home, but felt gawd awful last night and feeling it today. :sick:Tried to ride this morn and got as far as the lights at Manurewa before turning back. :sick:FUBR'd so resting with aircon on. Sorry bout it.:crybaby: Lessons learned bout water loading the night before.:bye:

[Tigadee]

Hope you feel better, Maakz... Heat's been pretty shocking lately, aye?

Well, weather's looking fine, so hope we have a good turn-out tomorrow evening!

[f2dz]

Looking cloudy in the city at the moment but I'm aiming to be there if the weather holds out and I don't get held up at work again.

[Tigadee]

Don't think I'll be able to make it tonight, got a domestic situation that needs keeping an eye on...

Rats, and I really wanted to meet up with you and your VTR250 tonight, F2dz!


Looking cloudy in the city at the moment but I'm aiming to be there if the weather holds out and I don't get held up at work again.

Weather will be fine, no rain. Clouds are good so there'll be no sun strike while out riding... T'will be a good evening, so enjoy!

[nzspokes]

I will be there.

[f2dz]

Don't think I'll be able to make it tonight, got a domestic situation that needs keeping an eye on...

Rats, and I really wanted to meet up with you and your VTR250 tonight, F2dz!

Weather will be fine, no rain. Clouds are good so there'll be no sun strike while out riding... T'will be a good evening, so enjoy!

Well we're having a mild network meltdown at work today so fingers crossed. I'm sure I'll see you at one of these things soon enough, Tigadee.

Hopefully you will actually get to see my VTR – at this rate maybe I'll only get to one once I get my full and the new bike! Tuesdays really aren't my day of the week it seems..

[SNF]

Next Tuesday - can't make this one in time guys. Bought some more parts for the bike!

[Sis]

I will be there tonight with Sergio. My couchsurfing mates have gone on to Australia.

[Tigadee]

Hopefully you will actually get to see my VTR

Always liked the cute little mini-Ducati VTR250, so would like to have a sit on one...


at this rate maybe I'll only get to one once I get my full and the new bike!

Oooooh, window shopping time! :eek:

[aws]

Perfect evening for a ride last night - shame I couldn't make it.

Unfortunately the girls have netball practice on Tuesday nights this year, so I'm going to struggle to make it till later in the year - much later! :cry:

[Tigadee]

Perfect evening for a ride last night

Sure seemed like it... :yes:

[SNF]

Turns out I could have come, I got a txt later saying come Friday for the parts. Oh well next Tuesday....

[f2dz]

Hoping to make it tomorrow. Doing my CBTA on the weekend so I could use the slow speed practice plus any additional comments on my riding.

[Tigadee]

Planning to be there tomorrow... :yes:

[SNF]

Crappy day, a good ride should cheer me up

[nzspokes]

Sorry I wont be there.

[Sis]

Sorry I wont be there.


Oh well, we will try and cope with out you :innocent:

I'll be there

[Maakz]

Not able to make it tonight folks-have a great ride and drinkies at the watering hole.

[Tigadee]

Bit chilly but otherwise a great night and ride. Glad we finally met, f2dz.

Sorry we missed you two, Spokes and Maakz... next week, aye?

[f2dz]

Likewise mate! And good to see everyone else there too including Sis. Cheers for leading the pack.

I'll try to be there again next week, hopefully with full license in hand..

[xXGIBBOXx]

That's right people I got my to restricted motorbike this moring , and my forklift this week . Now the wait to get my full motorbike and car . Hope all is well catch ya next week

[Tigadee]

That's right people I got my to restricted motorbike this moring , and my forklift this week . Now the wait to get my full motorbike and car .

Congrats! :wings:


Hope all is well catch ya next week

Be there! :bleh:


I'll try to be there again next week, hopefully with full license in hand..

All the best!

[xXGIBBOXx]

I'll try to be there again next week, hopefully with full license in hand.. Good luck mate

[nzspokes]

That's right people I got my to restricted motorbike this moring

Good work, congrats. Now you can take the L plate off........:bleh:

[xXGIBBOXx]

Good work, congrats. Now you can take the L plate off........:bleh:
Yeah I died alittle inside having to put one on . Going to have a Burning of the l plates I think .lol

[Tigadee]

Going to have a Burning of the l plates I think .lol

Sit in a circle singing "Kumbaya..."... :killingme

[f2dz]

Passed my full. Test rode my first 600 supersport on the weekend and looking forward to riding more this coming one!

Should be there tomorrow on the ol' two fiddy.

[Tigadee]

Ha! Congrats! Now yer too-fiddy will suddenly seem soooooo slow! :lol:

See you tomorrow!

[f2dz]

It seemed slow as soon as I got back on it after the test ride.

Can't wait til I get a supersport of my own. All in due time..

Weather seems like it'll play nice tomorrow but I might be putting my liner back in..

[Sis]

South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

After checking out NASS, I thought it would be time to try another SASS

Same Rules as NASS apply

South Auckland Street Skills - SASS
What: Riding skills practise
When: Tuesday Nights, starting on Feb 2nd 2011
Where: Meet at Shell Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (Check thread for updates)
Who: Riders and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal and hold a license)

Why:
Practice essential skills to stay alive on the road.
Practical help with your riding.
Meet new friends.
Network with other Riders.
Time: 6:45pm (Departing 7pm) from Shell Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI , arriving at the Manukau Car Park, opposite the Courthouse on Wiri Station Road.
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&so...,0.009624&z=17
Social time afterwards at where ever we decide
Cost: Nil, nudda, nothing. Just your time and attention.


Weather Permitting -
Heavy Rain will mean that we are watching dvds . Showers ok, look on the thread for more up to date information.

Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on the thread.

Check the thread for more information...


Disclaimer:
The SASS is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider and/or any persons involved. All people attending the SASS do so at their own risk.

[Sis]

I have got a mate coming over tomorrow.
So it would be great if as many of you as possible turned up


Sorry , I got that wrong. It will be next week.

See you tomorrow

[nzspokes]

I will be there.

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license).
Weather and venue permitting - Heavy Rain may mean that we are watching DVDs. Showers are OK, look on the thread for more up-to-date information.
Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on this thread. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

Disclaimer:
The SASS activity is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider, their machines and/or any persons involved. All people attending SASS do so at their own risk.

[xXGIBBOXx]

I won't be there this week . Little man is in a grump and wifey will need a rest by the time I get home . Have a good one and hopefully catch ya next

[Tigadee]

Take care, mate, and tell your boy to behave or mommy will be a grump and daddy won't get none! :laugh:

[Maakz]

Congrats to our dual graduates:wings:
I shall be there tonight having washed MY and shined me boots. :yes:
See y'all in a lil bit. :scooter:

[SNF]

Want to come but I'm poor and have to do uni stuff for tomorrow.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Take care, mate, and tell your boy to behave or mommy will be a grump and daddy won't get none! :laugh:

I'm married with a little one .lol you know the story

[Maakz]

Hey fellow Assassins, question? What's the fastest and most user friendly route to get to Palmy? Weather permitting I may head those ways next weekend. How long does it take?

[nzspokes]

Hey fellow Assassins, question? What's the fastest and most user friendly route to get to Palmy? Weather permitting I may head those ways next weekend. How long does it take?

State Highway 1. Boring but easy and fast.

[Sis]

Hey fellow Assassins, question? What's the fastest and most user friendly route to get to Palmy? Weather permitting I may head those ways next weekend. How long does it take?

use google maps for kms and times.
When I go to Wellington, I use Highway 39 from Ngaruawahia to Otorohanga and then onto Highway 4 through Taumaranui and on through National Park, Paraparas Wanganui etc. A scenic route.
I also get to Palmy from these roads too.
Love the roads and have travelled them all my life

Have a safe trip and no more hogs, you hear!!!

[Tigadee]

Won't be there this week - have [unexpected] visitors... If there's time, I'll pop into the pub if they leave before 9pm.

[f2dz]

Doubt I'll make it this week either.

Was sick most of last week and still battling the remains of it today at work. Don't really think riding out in the cold for longer than I need to will help.

Will be there next week though!

[Tigadee]

Don't really think riding out in the cold for longer than I need to will help.

In fact it will!

It'll build up your immune system - right before winter really sets in!

[Sis]

I will be there tomorrow night. I have a guest joining in too.

[SNF]

I took a heat gun to my intake rubbers so now they sit properly over the carbs. Got new clamps too. Oiled my chain. Runs like a champ and now doesn't bog along the motorway! Want to see how it does tomorrow night.

[xXGIBBOXx]

i should be there all going to plan :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana::banana:

[nzspokes]

I may well be there as long as my body allows, stuffed my neck last week.

[eldog]

I will be there in my suit this week again :msn-wink:

[Tigadee]

I will be there in my suit this week again :msn-wink:

Yer BMW suit, ya mean!

[xXGIBBOXx]

And I won't be here this week :-( little man has worn mum out already .lol and it's only 2 pm . I don't need sleep mum why do you .lol fathers son right there

[pretenda]

Depending on what time im in the area ill try stop by the start point and say Hi rather then riding off this week. Wont be able to make the ride as will still be getting home at that time.

[Tigadee]

Depending on what time im in the area ill try stop by the start point and say Hi rather then riding off this week. Wont be able to make the ride as will still be getting home at that time.

Will be cool if you can make it... ;)


fathers son right there

Must be sneaking in some of those triple shots his dad takes... :baby:

[xXGIBBOXx]

Got stop leaving my coffee and red bulls laying around .lol

[Sis]

I wont be there this week.

[Tigadee]

OK, Sis.

I'll be there tomorrow - itching for a ride - but not next week though.

[f2dz]

I should be there tomorrow, all being well.

[nzspokes]

I will be there. We will do a longer ride as we dont have the balls. Will be working on Counter steering.

[eldog]

I will be there, with the training wheels on :laugh: BMW ones that is.

[Tigadee]

I will be there, with the training wheels on. BMW ones that is.

Hey, if you gotta go that brand, might as well go all out, aye? :blip: LOL

[nzspokes]

Prior to leaving the Z station I will quickly go over suspension set up, will bring some tools in case anybody would like to make some changes.

[Sis]

Hey, I'm going to miss that!

Just had a ring from one of the riders from last week - John. He is thinking of joining in tomorrow again.

I will catch you all next week

[nzspokes]

Hey, I'm going to miss that!

Just had a ring from one of the riders from last week - John. He is thinking of joining in tomorrow again.

I will catch you all next week

John was one of the IAM guys? If so he can lead and show lines and I will observe.

And do wheelies.....

[Sis]

Not that John. That John will be practising in the drill team. There was another John as well.

[nzspokes]

Not that John. That John will be practising in the drill team. There was another John as well.

John on the ST?

[f2dz]

Prior to leaving the Z station I will quickly go over suspension set up, will bring some tools in case anybody would like to make some changes.

I'll definitely be keen to have a look over mine. I have a feeling it's set a little too soft for my weight.

I've also been having a couple weird sounds come from my clutch cover that I wanted to chat to you about. Not giving me much confidence in my bike as of late, but it doesn't seem to happen consistently. Hopefully I can show you what I mean.

See y'all in a bit.

[SNF]

Not coming tonight guys - still prepping my tank and panels

[Maakz]

working late tonight and won't make it to SASS. Have a good ride out and stay right side up. Sorry bout it...hey, we should give some thought to an urban cafe run at one SASS and a SASS weekender somewhere...also-anyone keen for a ride somewhere this weekend? Not sure where yet...any ideas/thoughts/suggestions?

[bawked]

All good if a noob comes to see what this is all about?

[Theantidote]

working late tonight and won't make it to SASS. Have a good ride out and stay right side up. Sorry bout it...hey, we should give some thought to an urban cafe run at one SASS and a SASS weekender somewhere...also-anyone keen for a ride somewhere this weekend? Not sure where yet...any ideas/thoughts/suggestions?

hei miss maakz...heading over to whangamata on sat am...ulyses are leaving bombay autobahn at 8am...even a ride to waihi or paeroa would b nice...b gr8 to see u...
i'm alll for an urban coffee run...how far were u thinking...i do enjoy the vibe at verona...but that's in k'road...
need to go to gisborne n april for werk...was thinking it'd b a gr8 road trip...anyone ridden over that way...

[Sis]

All good if a noob comes to see what this is all about?


Hope you had a chance to check us out.

[Sis]

John on the ST?

Yes, that John.
I hope you remembered your manners

Hope to see you next week.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Hope you all had a fun night , yeah I'm keen on a coffee run . Weekends seem the only time off for me ( well a few hours of which anyway ) hoping for me for next week to come out and play:niceone:

[bawked]

Hope you had a chance to check us out.

Yep.. sure did, was good to meet some of the auckland biker folk and ride some new roads.

[eldog]

nzspokes - thanks for the info on syspension. worth investigating when I upgrade later for me
tigerdee - did it make a difference? I didnt hear. Try not to ride on the metal chip piles, you got me a few times :msn-wink: its all good practise aye

keen to try coffee run. triple shot for me... $7 usually=f2dz

longer rides would be ok too. - need some practice after tuesday :weep:. Although ride home was perfect :cool: thanks john for listening

good to meet some new people.

I need to check the condition of the clutch. (so I can make sure it lasts on a longer run) manual says to stop engine for 5 mins every hour of travel.
couldnt see anything in the manual - maybe I missed a page.

[eldog]

do you get the blue words, popup small windows and other internet explorer windows opening by themselves when on KB site? :weird:
just wondering....

[nzspokes]

nzspokes - thanks for the info on syspension. worth investigating when I upgrade later for me
tigerdee - did it make a difference? I didnt hear. Try not to ride on the metal chip piles, you got me a few times :msn-wink: its all good practise aye

keen to try coffee run. triple shot for me... $7 usually=f2dz

longer rides would be ok too. - need some practice after tuesday :weep:. Although ride home was perfect :cool: thanks john for listening

good to meet some new people.

I need to check the condition of the clutch. (so I can make sure it lasts on a longer run) manual says to stop engine for 5 mins every hour of travel.
couldnt see anything in the manual - maybe I missed a page.

Dont worry about the clutch. Just ride it.

Did you have a problem on Tuesday?

[eldog]

did I have a problem :wacko:felt like peeling off and riding home even when we got to the cross roads at the end of runciman rd.
rode like a hairy goat all the rest of the way. tried to improve style as was suggested during my assessment. (no problems trying things or suggesstions)

I understand what was suggested, but need to do a lot more work to make happen for me. you and sis look easy and relaxed. - it will take time i know.

I ended up taking what I thought was all the wrong lines, and going way passed my comfort zone, the scorpio pulling me out just in time.

after our coffee stop, rode home like a champion :headbang:I guess its a state of mind, confidence and comfort zone (bike and me)


clutch - burning smell during some parts of the ride - like clutch pad, cant be the brakes barely used them

talk tuesday!

[nzspokes]

did I have a problem :wacko:felt like peeling off and riding home even when we got to the cross roads at the end of runciman rd.
rode like a hairy goat all the rest of the way. tried to improve style as was suggested during my assessment. (no problems trying things or suggesstions)

I understand what was suggested, but need to do a lot more work to make happen for me. you and sis look easy and relaxed. - it will take time i know.

I ended up taking what I thought was all the wrong lines, and going way passed my comfort zone, the scorpio pulling me out just in time.

after our coffee stop, rode home like a champion :headbang:I guess its a state of mind, confidence and comfort zone (bike and me)


clutch - burning smell during some parts of the ride - like clutch pad, cant be the brakes barely used them

talk tuesday!

You will have rides where it just doesnt seem to come together. Good part is you know how it feels and you work to improve on it. Not try and be Rossi. Night riding is a new skill to be learned.

On a motorbike you get smells that you are not used to, like water burning off your headers which smell like your clutch. Or a car went though a few mins before with a stuffed clutch. Your bike is way to young to have an issue like that.

[eldog]

ok :sweatdrop

[Tigadee]

tigerdee - did it make a difference? I didnt hear.

Yesh, it did! (Thanks Spokes, BTW)

Front doesn't feel soft any more and doesn't dip badly like it did before. Helps inspire more confidence heading into corners now...


Try not to ride on the metal chip piles, you got me a few times. its all good practise aye

Oh, sorry mate! Yeah, I realised I did go a bit wide sometimes in the corners and came close to the edges of the roads.

Good thing you've got some quality gear on! :msn-wink:

Also some of those roads did have quite a bit of sand or gravel, especially at corners! Scary when it's dark!


did I have a problem :wacko:felt like peeling off and riding home even when we got to the cross roads at the end of runciman rd.
rode like a hairy goat all the rest of the way. tried to improve style as was suggested during my assessment. (no problems trying things or suggesstions)

I understand what was suggested, but need to do a lot more work to make happen for me. you and sis look easy and relaxed. - it will take time i know. I ended up taking what I thought was all the wrong lines, and going way passed my comfort zone, the scorpio pulling me out just in time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkAtWiRq8Q0
Don't sweat it... Can be a bit tough on a light little bike with a little tank but you'll get there. Maybe an excuse to look at a bigger LAMs bike? :blip:

Easier when it's still daylight and on familiar routes. We should take the Maraetai route next week...

And some counter-steering exercises in the car park. I suggested to Sis that we could re-introduce the one-handed steering. I realised on Tuesday that it will actually teach a lot about counter-steering (illustrating more vividly the pushing and pulling on handlebar during counter-steering).

This is also a good video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3niqkN4u22I

[eldog]

Yesh, it did! (Thanks Spokes, BTW) - cool :2thumbsup

metal was in the centre of the lane, you seemed to ride right into it at times, just be careful out there

the large amount of chip seal carried out lately hasnt been swept properly and the council should check and sweep all (esp rural) corners on a regualar basis, maybe the ACC should look at this, as could cause an accident.

I think this should be investigated further

[Tigadee]

metal was in the centre of the lane, you seemed to ride right into it at times, just be careful out there

Oh, I see! OK, thanks for the heads up!

Quite like how this video explains counter-steering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgUOOwnZcDU

[bawked]

Was good to learn a little about motorbike set-up, seeing as my background is in vehicle dynamics. The terminology was a bit.... off though.

Increasing pre-load doesn't increase the spring rate it increases the baseline force needed to start compressing the spring.... the rate at which it compresses after that does not change with the preload. Fs = Fp + Ks*X is the relevant eqn. So the ride rate isn't changed... and given that the rider weight variation has a much more substantial effect on ride rates on a bike (rider weight ~30-40%) as opposed to a car (where the driver weight is < 10%) the spring rates can easily be wrong and only changing them will fix the issue... changing the preload will not.

The below image shows what I mean.... the slope of the displacement/force is constant once the preload force has been overcome and is not affected by the preload amount. You could dial in a ridiculous amount of preload such that your suspension wouldnt move when you get on the bike, but wouldn't track the road very well as it will have no jounce travel.

http://i.imgur.com/y6gENOB.jpg

Now damping.... hard/soft vs fast/slow. Why do we need damping!?! Well without damping a sprung system (your motorbike) would bounce down the road, because there is no force opposing the motion.... this is an unstable system. Meaning that the wheel is not under control, we add damping so that the oscillation dies so that the wheel will be ready for the next corner/bump.

We characterise the damping by a zeta value.... with 1 meaning that the system will oscillate once, less meaning some overshoot (bounce back as we saw) and higher meaning it'll take a longer time to return to the initial position. I don't know with regards to bikes what zeta values are ideal, but with race cars... somewhere in the order of 0.7 gives fast response times whilst not allowing excessive overshoot.

The image below illustrates the effect of the damping ratio on the response of the a sprung dampened system.

http://www.shimrestackor.com/Physics/Spring_Mass_Damper/Figs/11-motorcycle-suspension-theory.png

The frequency of the response to input or ride rate is determined by the spring rates, bike geometry (which determines the wheel rates.... which are the things that actually matter) and the damping (your bike has 4 different damping rates btw)

Ok bawked that's all good and well but how do dampers stop a system from osciallating? answer: by opposing motion... and the amount it opposes motion is dependant on only direction and velocity. So if your wheel ain't moving, a damper ain't doing a thing... whilst a spring probably is!

This is getting rather long for my liking so i'll end it there.... I've barely touched the surface and I tried not to get to technical but probably failed. I just want to get the right terminology out there...

* I haven't really looked into motorbike suspension, but I have done suspension design at uni

[xXGIBBOXx]

metal was in the centre of the lane, you seemed to ride right into it at times, just be careful out there

some times you just have to ride it out . there is a good bit on this in twist of the wrist on riding through wet lines , stones etc .

[nzspokes]

Was good to learn a little about motorbike set-up, seeing as my background is in vehicle dynamics. The terminology was a bit.... off though.

Increasing pre-load doesn't increase the spring rate it increases the baseline force needed to start compressing the spring

I keep it simple for a brief 15 min basic setup. And use terms most understand. Get to tech on suspension and people turn off.

You will see above Brian had an improvement from 2 bars of preload and half a turn off of rebound. And you would have seen from the static and rider sag settings his springs are way out of range for his weight. But we made the bike ride and handle better by simply turning his adjusters which also makes the bike safer. Ideally I would set his bike up with a .95 fork springs and a 1000lb rear, run 10w oil in the fork with a 125mm air gap.

[nzspokes]

some times you just have to ride it out . there is a good bit on this in twist of the wrist on riding through wet lines , stones etc .

I will try to remember to bring along a copy of Twist of the Wrist 2 next week.

[nzspokes]

Yesh, it did! (Thanks Spokes, BTW) - cool :2thumbsup

metal was in the centre of the lane, you seemed to ride right into it at times, just be careful out there

the large amount of chip seal carried out lately hasnt been swept properly and the council should check and sweep all (esp rural) corners on a regualar basis, maybe the ACC should look at this, as could cause an accident.

I think this should be investigated further

I tend to ride in the wheel tracks but it was very light gravel that night.

[aws]

clutch - burning smell during some parts of the ride - like clutch pad, cant be the brakes barely used them

talk tuesday!

Your Scorpio has a wet clutch, so I doubt that you'd get any burning smell from it. Sometimes cow poo or something gets on your exhaust headers and can smell a bit.

[aws]

Increasing pre-load doesn't increase the spring rate it increases the baseline force needed to start compressing the spring.... the rate at which it compresses after that does not change with the preload. Fs = Fp + Ks*X is the relevant eqn. So the ride rate isn't changed... and given that the rider weight variation has a much more substantial effect on ride rates on a bike (rider weight ~30-40%) as opposed to a car (where the driver weight is < 10%) the spring rates can easily be wrong and only changing them will fix the issue... changing the preload will not.



My understanding is the increasing preload will likely reduce the spring rate slightly as the spring coils become closer together and less able to resist the compressive force. Most springs lose rate as compressed, unless they are specifically designed with variable coil spacing to give a rising rate. Having said that, the linkage design in motorcycle rear suspension can be used to create the effect of rising rate as the suspension compresses.

Which is not to say that adjusting preload isn't helping to correct the problem :)

[nzspokes]

Can we keep this thread on track please? Were here to talk about SASS and safe riding. Im happy to talk through other matters at the pub after the ride.

[f2dz]

Back on track then - I quite enjoyed the longer ride. I'll have to remember to change out my tinted visor for a clear or lighter smoke next time though.

I dunno about others, but having a long ride like that every few weeks is quite a nice change from doing the drills in the carpark, even though I do still enjoy those.

One suggestion for next time, especially if we have new people, is that perhaps we should determine who is learning/needs/wants helps with their riding and have them near the front? As it stands it seems like people just pull out of the Z in any order minus assigning the leader and TEC.

On another note, I've gotta try to tweak my suspension this weekend all being well. My rear shock seems pretty squidgy, ever since I got it actually..

[gjm]

use google maps for kms and times.
When I go to Wellington, I use Highway 39 from Ngaruawahia to Otorohanga and then onto Highway 4 through Taumaranui and on through National Park, Paraparas Wanganui etc. A scenic route.
That's the route we took to Wanganui, too.
SH4 is a lot more 'interesting' to ride or drive than SH1, but don't spend too much time admiring the scenery!

[nzspokes]

Back on track then - I quite enjoyed the longer ride. I'll have to remember to change out my tinted visor for a clear or lighter smoke next time though.

I dunno about others, but having a long ride like that every few weeks is quite a nice change from doing the drills in the carpark, even though I do still enjoy those.

One suggestion for next time, especially if we have new people, is that perhaps we should determine who is learning/needs/wants helps with their riding and have them near the front? As it stands it seems like people just pull out of the Z in any order minus assigning the leader and TEC.

On another note, I've gotta try to tweak my suspension this weekend all being well. My rear shock seems pretty squidgy, ever since I got it actually..

I had asked Bawked to sit behind me but 2 others got out in front of him. But no biggy. Its something I will have a chat with Sis about but had been thinking we should share lead dutys with some of the more experienced riders. Its hard to watch at the front and as we are starting to get bigger numbers its getting harder to control.

Squidgy is a technical term for its time to get that 600, you are clearly ready for it. :yes:

[eldog]

I wasn't ready to go when we left. otherwise I would have been nearer the front :bash: that'll teach me.
a couple of us got left behind before we hit the motorway. others got held up by the lights and I wasn't to sure if they knew where we were going so I slowed up so I was visible. Is there something we should talk about on Tuesday regarding this?

f2dz - if you get a chance have a look at the helmets with built in visors, very handy on these day/night rides as the sunsets.
worth saving for.

tigerdee, I will look at your vids tonight see if I can learn...

[nzspokes]

I wasn't ready to go when we left. otherwise I would have been nearer the front :bash: that'll teach me.
a couple of us got left behind before we hit the motorway. others got held up by the lights and I wasn't to sure if they knew where we were going so I slowed up so I was visible. Is there something we should talk about on Tuesday regarding this?

f2dz - if you get a chance have a look at the helmets with built in visors, very handy on these day/night rides as the sunsets.
worth saving for.

tigerdee, I will look at your vids tonight see if I can learn...

Its easy, if you cant see the person behind you then slow down. This will work its way back to the front. It gets harder with more people yes but it does work. Leader can only see a few back.

[eldog]

thanks nzspokes for that - makes sense :yes:

just finished tuesdays night run again - much better, see you tuesday again

[f2dz]

I had asked Bawked to sit behind me but 2 others got out in front of him. But no biggy. Its something I will have a chat with Sis about but had been thinking we should share lead dutys with some of the more experienced riders. Its hard to watch at the front and as we are starting to get bigger numbers its getting harder to control.

Squidgy is a technical term for its time to get that 600, you are clearly ready for it. :yes:

I think I was one of those two so that was my bad. I got Bawked to go in front of me but then like Eldog was saying, we got split up a bit. I'm sure we'll have it sorted next time.


f2dz - if you get a chance have a look at the helmets with built in visors, very handy on these day/night rides as the sunsets.
worth saving for.

I might give it some thought. I've heard a couple horror stories about the visors in those things during a crash though – where the helmet has slipped and the visor has dug into someone's nose during a crash for example.


just finished tuesdays night run again - much better, see you tuesday again

Solo ride eh? I've gotta do that run again myself. I've never taken that road from Hunua before – didn't realise that it connected to that road to Kawakawa.

[Tigadee]

I was completely lost on those roads! No landmarks for me (KFC, McDs, BKs...), so I'd have trouble finding my way back home! LOL

I think we just need to space out the experienced riders (front of course, then middle and tail-end). Middle rider should also be familiar with route taken in case the group gets split up...

We should also talk position/formation(?) and spacing when riding on wide and narrow roads.

[nzspokes]

I might give it some thought. I've heard a couple horror stories about the visors in those things during a crash though – where the helmet has slipped and the visor has dug into someone's nose during a crash for example

Ive had one for a couple of years and am not a fan. They fog instantly and the optics are awful. But thats on my cheap LS2 lid. I hear Shoei has better optics but it will still fog when you need it. I get by with a strip of tape at the top of my visor and another bit at the bottom. Works well.

Good time to bring up an old tip. Polish your visor with pledge before each ride. If you get caught in the rain the water just beads off. And it keeps your visor in top shape.

[eldog]

all good ideas - before the ride and discussion after :niceone:
gunna practice some slow turns over weekend - need it

[nzspokes]

all good ideas - before the ride and discussion after :niceone:
gunna practice some slow turns over weekend - need it

Laps of the lounge?

[Tigadee]

gunna practice some slow turns over weekend - need it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-BDrAxjAFI
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I also like this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvxsM4QaFAA


Laps of the lounge?

LOL :lol:

[Tigadee]

Even though it's with a big bike, the principles still remain the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H084SaM9pAg

[aws]

Ive had one for a couple of years and am not a fan. They fog instantly and the optics are awful. But thats on my cheap LS2 lid. I hear Shoei has better optics but it will still fog when you need it. I get by with a strip of tape at the top of my visor and another bit at the bottom. Works well.


I'm on my third flip face helmet with integrated sun-visor and I wouldn't even consider a helmet without one. LS2 fogged with no pinlock, but was really noisy, Nolan no fogging, quieter, but still noisy. Shuberth C3 is so quiet in comparison. Way quieter than the Shoei Neotec I test rode. The sun-visor does fog a little, but only when stationary and I just open the main visor. When it's raining, chances are you don't need the sun-visor anyway. It's mainly caused by the excellent wind seal around the neck which stops warm breath from escaping - just the price of having some quiet.

Never had a problem with the optics on any of them, not in comparison with the double vision you get thru any pinlock at night. Still, seeing two sets of all the lights ahead of you is much better than seeing nothing at all thru a foggy visor. So as well as a sun-visor, a pinlock is definitely on my must-have list.

What I have discovered after about a year with the Shuberth (and I'm fastidious about keeping my visors clean) was that you do need to remove the pinlock periodically and clean both sides of both visor and pinlock. Somehow they do get dirty in between and need a little periodic TLC. And if your pinlock itself is in contact with the visor like the Nolan (i.e. doesn't have a little silicone bead around the edge) then definitely take it out and dry it off every time it gets wet. Otherwise the pinlock material sticks and leaves little beads of material on the inside of your visor that WON'T come off and look much like really bad scratches after a while. Ask Sis about that!

Personally I just use water and a tissue to clean my visor, but I believe that Pledge is quite good too. I just prefer not to put anything on my visor where I'm not sure of the ingredients and what effect they might have on the anti-scratch and anti-fog coatings applied by the manufacturer.

[nzspokes]

Didnt know that about pinlocks but Ive only had the LS2 and now the HJC lids with pinlock. Both the pinlock doesnt touch the visor. LS2 will be up for replacement soon as its 2 years old and ive done 60,000ks with it. Not sure yet what I will get to replace it as the HJC is for weekend rides and track days.

[eldog]

aws - Schubeth C3 with pinlock - nice :) - going to start to wear earplugs as well, wearing snood to keep wind noise from neck down
and balaclava to keep my oily hair from the inside of the helmet - keep it clean

[Tigadee]

aws - Schubeth C3 with pinlock - nice :)

:shit: Heck yeah, for $600 it'd better be!!


- going to start to wear earplugs as well

Smart move... I started getting a constant ringing sound in my right ear after the first 6 months of riding. My flip-face helmet then was noisy...

Once I started wearing ear plugs, the deterioration stopped, but the contant ringing will never go away :( , so keep your hearing - wear ear plugs!

[bawked]

Looking forward to some low speed practice next week, think my riding at speed has improved a lot lately.

Was following a couple litre bikes back up the coro loop tonight and one of the stood his bike up and almost went off-roading... pretty crazy really, one screw up and it can be all over!

[nzspokes]

Righto, after the gravel left on the roads has brought the odd rider down the below is going round Facebook. These are the people to ring.

[aws]

:shit: Heck yeah, for $600 it'd better be!!

When I bought the Nolan about 4 years back, the guy at Cycletreads tried to get me to test ride the Schuberth. It was around $1,300 at the time and I kicked myself afterward that I didn't at least try it - but I certainly wasn't planning to spend those kind of $$. Fortunately, they've halved in price since then. For similar $$ I'd rate it as a better helmet than both the Nolan and the Shoei. And really light too.

[eldog]

loose gravel - I could keep a roading crew busy for most of the year doing fix ups.

there are so many badly done chip seal jobs lately its not funny.

check out any rural road around, cnr Fitzgeralds RD and Drury Hill road and the end of Waihoehoe Road spring to mind. I could go on and on.

Some of the jobs in Takanini recently had one sweep, a lot of loose metal was thrown onto the verge/grass (its great to mow) and there is still a lot left loose.

Some jobs are just small patches across corners - 1-1.5 metres wide a few metres long, even on roads that were recently just been redone with hot mix.

It is a pet hate of mind how the roading jobs are done (some of the motorway work is very nice now)

Maybe ACC could investigate some of the road conditions and place blame for crashes etc partly on the road shape, condition, lighting etc than just on riders

Most jobs could be fixed with a bobcat with an enclosed broom and bucket to sweep up excess or back onto properties, just a thought.

It makes it more difficult for us learners to get the confidence to ride due to be slippery nature of gravel on our roads.

I know its off topic-but it makes a good talking point for all
back to topic
Thats why I like being part os SASS so we get to see hazards (NZSPOKES makes an EXCELLENT job pointing out hazards as we come upto them :Punk:) I have learnt a lot of what to look for from NZSPOKES in ths regard and thats what SASS is all about i guess
otherwise we would just become part of the accident statistics - learner out of control :eek5:

[eldog]

When I bought the Nolan about 4 years back, the guy at Cycletreads tried to get me to test ride the Schuberth. It was around $1,300 at the time and I kicked myself afterward that I didn't at least try it - but I certainly wasn't planning to spend those kind of $$. Fortunately, they've halved in price since then. For similar $$ I'd rate it as a better helmet than both the Nolan and the Shoei. And really light too.

My head didnt fit most of the ones I tried, only Shoei and Schubeth were close, the S2 was perfect but I chose the C3 - learner, ease of getting on and off, integrated sun visor, would recommend visor for any one, its so handly for the SASS rides - sunny then dark during our rides. Didnt fit the pinlock at first, I didnt know anything about what happens when riding - fog, heavy breathing, rain, mist, insects, diesel, etc. Fitted the pin lock :yes: most of problems went away(dont have any problems with double vision with pinlock fitted, maybe after pub visit). if the visor mists up open front visor slightly, C3 does have a constant flow of air around the chin - which takes some getting use to but nice on the hot days. I always leave it with the visor up and the sun visor down, if the sunvisor gets wet just leave it down, it will be ok in a day or two - dont rub it. Use a moist microcloth and place over the main visor and leave overnight to soak off bugs etc.

The schubeth sun visor doesnt have 2 positions like some models, you can place it anywhere and I found that it doesnt come down too close to my nose/face etc.
$ - I know how much my head costs and its nice to be comfortable on these SASS rides

[nzspokes]

Next Sass is the last one you will need the sun visor from memory. Then its headlights.....

[bawked]

I think it's a good idea to get used to gravel, I've been down quite a few gravel roads on my bike... done a bit of mountain biking in the past so I don't know if that helps.

But basically gravel on the roads doesn't matter, just be smoother on the controls.... it's the same as wet roads. We can complain all we want, but it's a common hazard and so you've got to get used to it. If you can ride down a metal road, then a little gravel dusting is nothing.

[eldog]

Next Sass is the last one you will need the sun visor from memory. Then its headlights.....

:niceone: scorpio lights arent too bad, use the sunvisor to dim FZR250's lights when he gets close on an uphill section at the top, you are coming this week FZR?

[eldog]

I think it's a good idea to get used to gravel, I've been down quite a few gravel roads on my bike... done a bit of mountain biking in the past so I don't know if that helps.

But basically gravel on the roads doesn't matter, just be smoother on the controls.... it's the same as wet roads. We can complain all we want, but it's a common hazard and so you've got to get used to it. If you can ride down a metal road, then a little gravel dusting is nothing.

I totally agree with you on all your points :yes: (yes I need some more gravel training on a road bike-it will be later in the year I hope).

Wet roads - I just went and brought brand new tyres to cope with this as it was something I could do (didnt need new tyres, but winter coming).

But I think you are missing what I am saying. It would be nice if peoples whose driveways becomes the loose gravel on the road side could keep it tidy it would be nice.

AND it would be nice too if the road contractors did their job properly as well, got to wonder who signs the jobs off as completed. :facepalm: just saying it could be better.
see NZSPOKES reply earlier about who to report road conditions to, I think I will take the opportunity to give this a go and see what happens (no money, cant happen, not a priority, its someone elses problem, next budget :innocent: - sorry is am a pessimist). It is funny how safety conscience roading contractors are and yet some of their jobs are failures from a road user - motorcyclist, cycle user POV really are.

[eldog]

looking forward to some carpark practise - did some slow circles etc today, improved lean confidence in corners - need more :banana: looking forward to Tuesday:beer: no COFFEE

[Tigadee]

Essential info for the newbies to SASS:
South Auckland Street Skills or SASS

WHAT: Learning and improving Riding Skills
WHEN: Tuesday Nights
WHERE: Meet at Z (ex-Shell) Service Station, Cnr Great South Road and Taka St, TAKANINI (the one with a Burger King)
WHO: Riders new and old, and anyone getting back into Motorcycling (must be legal & hold a motorcycle license).
Weather and venue permitting - Heavy Rain may mean that we are watching DVDs. Showers are OK, look on the thread for more up-to-date information.
Depending on the number of riders and their experience levels, a short ride may be included to practice further skills. If there are enough riders, some nights can be split into two different groups.

Some nights may include:
Practicing essential skills and techniques in a quiet carpark
On-the-road practice which may see you doing up to a 1hr - 1 1/2hr ride.

WHY:
- Practice essential skills for staying alive on the road.
- Practical help with your riding.
- Fun times with fellow riders, with great stories and discussions.
- Build friendships, solicit advice and pick-up riding tips.

MEET at Z station Takanini (http://www.zenbu.co.nz/entry/1035616-z-takanini) -----------> before 6.55pm

START ride -----------------------------> 7pm

FINISH ride at ex-Manukau City Council car park (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les;&pq=z+station+takanini&cp=16&gs_id=1s&xhr=t&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1400&bih=966&wrapid=tljp1353894501071030&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=manukau+city+council&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=manukau+city+council&hnear=manukau+city+council&cid=0,0,18372865564506322212&sa=X&ei=bMqyULb7DaKgigfe2IHoAw&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBEPwSMAA) for slow-speed safety exercises -----> usually 8pm-8.15pm
(next to the new Manukau train station & opp. :Police: police station)

SOCIAL time @ BRONCOS (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=broncos+manukau&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=broncos&hnear=0x6d0d4dc0da10dc85:0x500ef6143a2df40,Manukau ,+Auckland&cid=0,0,9300130746200942903&ei=pr2QUeKhK8PqswbQ-oCwDA&ved=0CHwQ_BIwAA) after car park exercises -----------> 8.45pm-ish

Cost: Nil, nada, zip, zero, nothing... Just your time and attention.

Details of what will be happening each week will be posted on this thread. So kick the tires and light the fires... Let's ride, aSASSins! :Punk:

Disclaimer:
The SASS activity is intended to give any riders advice on their riding and to practice their skills in a safe and relaxed environment. The organisers of SASS are NOT responsible for any rider, their machines and/or any persons involved. All people attending SASS do so at their own risk.

[Tigadee]

Hey aSASSins, will see you tomorrow night.

Won't be there next week.

[xXGIBBOXx]

I'm trying for tomorrow , bike needs a run to the hills and back , all this work and back

[f2dz]

I'll be there unless disaster strikes at work.

This morning was way too chilly for me. I'll hopefully remember to swap in my liner tomorrow as well as a lighter helmet visor.

[nzspokes]

Im having fork seal problems which I hope to have sorted tonight. If not I wont be there tomorrow but if I have I will be.

I will have a copy of Twist of the wrist with me to give to Eldog so somebody remind me. Getting old and forgetful.

[xXGIBBOXx]

I will find my flash drive and bring my copy if you want ?

[bawked]

What is this twist of the wrist? Looks like an old as motorbike vid?

[nzspokes]

What is this twist of the wrist? Looks like an old as motorbike vid?

You have much to learn young grasshopper.

But really, its a motorcycle training vid. Horrid acting but good message.

[nzspokes]

I will find my flash drive and bring my copy if you want ?

Jezz, im not that old. Im bring it on a flash drive.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Jezz, im not that old. Im bring it on a flash drive.
but the acting is so good .lol fully of chesse like a day time soap opera
:laugh:

[Tigadee]

but the acting is so good .lol fully of chesse like a day time soap opera

Didn't the Americans invent soap operas, after all? :rolleyes:

[aws]

if the visor mists up open front visor slightly, C3 does have a constant flow of air around the chin - which takes some getting use to but nice on the hot days. I always leave it with the visor up and the sun visor down, if the sunvisor gets wet just leave it down, it will be ok in a day or two - dont rub it. Use a moist microcloth and place over the main visor and leave overnight to soak off bugs etc.

Interesting - I've found the C3 to have a better seal around my chin than any other helmet I've worn. But I have left the extra chin seal in all summer. The fresh air vents do a pretty good job of keeping air flow across the visor. I hate having to clean my sunvisor, and it is really hard to get out, so I only really use it on it's own at low speed. Always use the main visor to keep bugs, water and dust off the sun-visor.

[aws]

What is this twist of the wrist? Looks like an old as motorbike vid?

I think the vid they are thinking of is "Twist of the Wrist 2" which is not quite as old. I remember my brother had the original "Twist of the Wrist" book back when we were young whipper-snappers riding our bikes around the countryside far too fast. They are books/vids by Keith Code who is the guru of motorcycle racing training and founder of the California Superbike School. It says on Keith Code's Wikipedia page that Twist of the Wrist was published in 1997, but I know for a fact is was much earlier than that. It was certainly around by 1990/91. It's more of a how to ride fast on the track kind of book. The TotW2 vid has a bit more roady stuff in there, and some general technique, but is still focussed on riding fast - rather than defensively. Still it's an awesome watch.

[aws]

Gravel is one of the reasons I'm not too keen to spend much time riding on the left hand side of the lane, and certainly why I won't try riding the outside wheel-track up Twilight Road. I think you just need to be vigilant about reading the road up ahead of you, getting used to where loose stones are likely to be, and taking it easy and sticking to one wheel track on newly sealed road where it can be really hard to tell whether the stones are stuck down or not.

[nzspokes]

I think the vid they are thinking of is "Twist of the Wrist 2" which is not quite as old. I remember my brother had the original "Twist of the Wrist" book back when we were young whipper-snappers riding our bikes around the countryside far too fast. They are books/vids by Keith Code who is the guru of motorcycle racing training and founder of the California Superbike School. It says on Keith Code's Wikipedia page that Twist of the Wrist was published in 1997, but I know for a fact is was much earlier than that. It was certainly around by 1990/91. It's more of a how to ride fast on the track kind of book. The TotW2 vid has a bit more roady stuff in there, and some general technique, but is still focussed on riding fast - rather than defensively. Still it's an awesome watch.

Its another tool for new riders. It teaches concepts in a way I have not seen bettered. Age of it does not matter as physics doesnt change. The use of the SR concept is very good also.

[nzspokes]

Start getting used to needeing to carry gear for cold. If you are getting cold during the ride, stop and get changed into warmer gear. Nobody will mind this.

[f2dz]

Start getting used to needeing to carry gear for cold. If you are getting cold during the ride, stop and get changed into warmer gear. Nobody will mind this.

I'm good to go – I put my liner back in my jacket this morning. Back to feeling like the Michelin man again.

[Tigadee]

I'm good to go – I put my liner back in my jacket this morning. Back to feeling like the Michelin man again.

:lol: I don't even need a liner to look like him!

[SNF]

Fiberglassing my rearseat - which means riding this week has taken a rear seat. I promise it will be cool when its all done!

[eldog]

AWS - are you likely to come to SASS, so we can compare notes, sounds like we are on the same page :yes:

[Tigadee]

AWS - are you likely to come to SASS, so we can compare notes, sounds like we are on the same page :yes:

He's like the Lone Ranger, turns up only when he's needed the most... :laugh:

[aws]

AWS - are you likely to come to SASS, so we can compare notes, sounds like we are on the same page :yes:

Unfortunately my older girls have netball practice on a Tuesday evening this year. I had to call on all my brownie points to get out the other week. I'm not sure when I'll be able to get there again.

[f2dz]

:lol: I don't even need a liner to look like him!

Haha. Well I'm sure if you asked nicely you could get the waitresses to bring you out some nice celery sticks instead of the fries. :P

Didn't find out where you were jetting off to but have a safe flight mate! Will see you in a few weeks.

[eldog]

Interesting - I've found the C3 to have a better seal around my chin than any other helmet I've worn. But I have left the extra chin seal in all summer. The fresh air vents do a pretty good job of keeping air flow across the visor. I hate having to clean my sunvisor, and it is really hard to get out, so I only really use it on it's own at low speed. Always use the main visor to keep bugs, water and dust off the sun-visor.

Almost the same things I found with mine.
I have put the extra chin seal in to reduce noise, air vents good as long as I don't block the exhaust at the back of the neck.
I never use the sun visor on its own, never got it out, never cleaned it, I did read that you could clean somewhere.
Use a damp micro cloth on it overnight seems to sort out the bug problem :2thumbsup

Never really compared helmet weights till Tigerdee compared mine with his :cool:

Nice ride and good practise in car park last night, did however get a small surprise at Duders Beach (Umupuia?) when the front wheel lifted off the road after I hit a bump :eek5:

xXGIBBOXx - I will keep an eye out, should have my restricted and a bit more experience by then

NZSPOKES - do you have track days on sunday? Do they have spectators, thinking about riding down and a having a look see - work dependant

[eldog]

Unfortunately my older girls have netball practice on a Tuesday evening this year. I had to call on all my brownie points to get out the other week. I'm not sure when I'll be able to get there again.

OK - cool, haven't meet any other Schubeth helmet riders yet

[aws]

I'm good to go – I put my liner back in my jacket this morning. Back to feeling like the Michelin man again.

You guys must really feel the cold. I only just started wearing a really thin microfleece top under my summer mesh jacket this week. Just to take the edge off in the mornings. But still plenty warm enough for mesh most of the rest of the day IMHO.

[nzspokes]

Sorry Guys, I cant make this week. I have a track day this coming saturday and a bike to prep for it.

Tigadee, if you could collect my memory sticks and redistribute if anybody wants them please?

[eldog]

NZSPOKES, isn't Tigerdee away this week flying Malaysian Airlines to who knows where :shit:
good luck with the racing

[f2dz]

I should be there tomorrow all being well. I did our Hunua run again from a few weeks ago yesterday – quite a nice straight along it that I'm gonna make a point of revisiting with a new bike.

A couple sketchy drivers crossing centre lines though which put a bit of a pucker on my seat at times.

[Big Dog]

Who leads these nowadays?


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[eldog]

A couple sketchy drivers crossing centre lines though which put a bit of a pucker on my seat at times.

Yep, Hunua steerers not drivers are particularily bad at cutting corners, sometimes the whole lane :mad:, Franklin drivers are similar :brick: Watch out for quads drive out from driveways without looking. These been some chip seal left all over the place so keep to wheel tracks.

[eldog]

Who leads these nowadays?


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Sis leads from the front

[eldog]

Maakz - saw you this morning while I was in a cage, made me envious looked like great weather

[xXGIBBOXx]

I won't be there this week . Had to ride down to palmy and back over the weekend , poor body is a bit worn out . Have a good ride peeps and I will try and catch ya next week

[f2dz]

I won't be there this week . Had to ride down to palmy and back over the weekend , poor body is a bit worn out . Have a good ride peeps and I will try and catch ya next week

Good effort, that's a bit of a hike. I should've tagged along – couple bikes I wanna see that are in Palmy.

Still planning on being there tonight. First SASS of the year starting in the dark. Eep.

[SNF]

Still playing with the tail. This time its because I want change the way I've mounted it, since its all over my driveway I'm not riding tonight.

[f2dz]

Jane, Lance, Mags?

Not looking forward to a solo ride. I'm scared of the dark still don't ya know.

[Sis]

Jane, Lance, Mags?

Not looking forward to a solo ride. I'm scared of the dark still don't ya know.

I will be there.:woohoo:
I do understand the worries and we will start with something comfortable.

[bawked]

Is it leaving at 7 still now its day savings over?

[Maakz]

Hey peops, stuck at work and no shot at getting back in time. So not gunna make it. Have a good safe ride out. Eldog, wasn't too bad. Playing cat and mouse with AT Security guards in town, keep serving me breach notices which i just argue my way out of. One day one of em is going to sugar my petrol tank.

[xXGIBBOXx]

Hey peops.
Hey was it you I spied on my way home round gordontown ? Round 3ish . Bright yellow Harley hair blowing in the wind ?

[nzspokes]

Is it leaving at 7 still now its day savings over?

Yes. :cool:

[Sis]

Another great night and some roads I hadn't ridden for a month or 2

[bawked]

The slow speed car park stuff was good, don't do it when i'm just riding by myself... feel too silly haha

[nzspokes]

I should be there next week. Bikes gunna be a little different from last time.

[Maakz]

Hey Gibbox - yep it was, was out to Cambridge. Can't wait to see the bike Spokey, curious now. Och Eldog, had a van with surfboards round the Kaiaua windies last set of hairpin corners before Kawakawa-but on the wrong side. Unsettling doing the Hunua windies at midnight, for a wop wop stretch a surprising amount of cages using that back road. mmm windies on the Coro loop, beware of boats being towed and in particular the ones that leave their rods upright, one almost clocked me when rounding a corner too fast dislodged the rod holder so it jutted out into my lane, had to lie over the tank and lean further. But puckered then continued on. Some rural car drivers baffle me...speed demons.

[f2dz]

Fun ride last night and an easy time as TEC for me.

I liked the change in the carpark stuff too this time. We gotta do more of those slow races, good times.

New bike, spokes?

[eldog]

Another great night and some roads I hadn't ridden for a month or 2

it was so dark we wouldn't have known if you was lost anyway:lol:

Maakz - yep rural drivers :brick: and I used to be one :lol:

NZSPOKES - hope its on of those fast RED bikes, all fast bikes are RED like mine ;)

[Kartik]

This sounds like a lot of fun and education at the same time. I will be keen to come along next week if the weather holds up.

Hope to see some of you then. :)

[nzspokes]

New bike, spokes?

Didnt say anything about a new bike, still on a red honda.

[eldog]

Didnt say anything about a new bike, still on a red honda.

assumed from picture and 'bike gunna be a little different' message that it has changed our bad.:spanking:


thought you might have upgraded to CB1000RR, or supercharged the 919 :msn-wink: during the week

did like the eights and the slow race. thinking about adding some lights to the bike :devil2: so you dont have to worry about the dark f2dz:niceone:

[Sis]

This sounds like a lot of fun and education at the same time. I will be keen to come along next week if the weather holds up.

Hope to see some of you then. :)

You have summed up very easily about what it is all about.

FUN - otherwise how do you learn
And we are always looking for different games to play

A few simple rules though
RESPECT for everyone
and no throwing sand when inthe sand pit

[Sis]

assumed from picture and 'bike gunna be a little different' message that it has changed our bad.:spanking:


thought you might have upgraded to CB1000RR, or supercharged the 919 :msn-wink: during the week

did like the eights and the slow race. thinking about adding some lights to the bike :devil2: so you dont have to worry about the dark f2dz:niceone:

Ahhh, you are not so knowing of the boy.

I immediately read in there that some tweaking has been done :rolleyes: