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jasonu
18th November 2015, 08:09
Looks like a bargain to me and no reserve.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suzuki-T250-restored-to-like-new-/131653453010?hash=item1ea72844d2:g:amQAAOSweuxWSTm H
Certainly not optimistic.
TLDV8
18th November 2015, 08:24
Certainly not optimistic.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1972-Honda-CB500-Four-K1-Cafe-Racer-/301800260526?hash=item4644b283ae:g:gbsAAOSwlV9WSYb T
husaberg
18th November 2015, 17:27
Certainly not optimistic.
I don't remember the tank being quite so bulbous..........
jasonu
18th November 2015, 18:26
I don't remember the tank being quite so bulbous..........
He is getting bids so can't be too optimistic with the price
husaberg
18th November 2015, 18:43
He is getting bids so can't be too optimistic with the price
No I never thought it was either, its a nice bike.
F5 Dave
18th November 2015, 19:43
Yeah I was guessing it was a T20 tank without the chrome, but it appears there is a model with that shape. On TM there's T250 tank which is from the model you'd expect.
sidecar bob
22nd November 2015, 12:39
Apparently this is a "cafe bobber" & it can be yours for just $1500.
No papers or plate though.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-983741898.htm
jasonu
22nd November 2015, 13:17
Apparently this is a "cafe bobber" & it can be yours for just $1500.
No papers or plate though.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-983741898.htm
Looks more like a bucket racer. Still worthless no matter what you call it.
AND HE TURNED DOWN $500 CASH. WHAT A FUCKWIT!!!
HenryDorsetCase
22nd November 2015, 13:40
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-951952947.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK4wzBYmTIo
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TK4wzBYmTIo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
He is my partner and also my luffer
bogan
22nd November 2015, 14:22
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-951952947.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK4wzBYmTIo
He is my partner and also my luffer
But does it countersteer and/or wheelie?
Paulo
23rd November 2015, 09:19
only 35K..
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=980823080
EJK
23rd November 2015, 15:26
only 35K..
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=980823080
I expect it to come with 200hp, quickshifter, traction control, Ohlins, ABS AND heated grips with that price... And that bike ain't got any.
Gremlin
23rd November 2015, 19:23
I expect it to come with 200hp, quickshifter, traction control, Ohlins, ABS AND heated grips with that price... And that bike ain't got any.
Start your wish list with a 6 speed box... it doesn't have that either :laugh: (actually, is it even FI?)
husaberg
23rd November 2015, 19:47
I expect it to come with 200hp, quickshifter, traction control, Ohlins, ABS AND heated grips with that price... And that bike ain't got any.
Yeah but remember 650cc XR650cc bored out to 675 with big cam- sounds like an apache attack helicopter:laugh:
Pumba
23rd November 2015, 20:37
Yeah but remember 650cc XR650cc bored out to 675 with big cam- sounds like an NZ Air Force attack helicopter:laugh:
Fixed it for you.
husaberg
23rd November 2015, 20:42
Fixed it for you.
They have to be air force as they can't land on the frigates as the landing gear collapses.
Seasprite and the NH90's both
Erelyes
23rd November 2015, 20:51
Yeah, they are great bikes but they'll never sell at $15k. In Australia they're the equivalent of ~NZ$12k, which is markedly less than, for example, a LAMS Street Triple 660 over there. Here a S'triple 660 is $14k.
The entire Blue Wing catalogue has optimistic pricing, doesn't it?
Ender EnZed
23rd November 2015, 21:00
The entire Blue Wing catalogue has optimistic pricing, doesn't it?
Probably. But it's a bit more glaring in certain instances than others.
pritch
23rd November 2015, 22:20
The entire Blue Wing catalogue has optimistic pricing, doesn't it?
Situation normal.
HenryDorsetCase
24th November 2015, 07:20
Situation normal.
fucking hopeless. And its always been that way (well, since the 80's anyway). someone told me that if they didnt have to sell road bikes they would not - they make all their money selling farm bikes and quads to cockies.
Erelyes
24th November 2015, 10:45
fucking hopeless. And its always been that way (well, since the 80's anyway). someone told me that if they didnt have to sell road bikes they would not - they make all their money selling farm bikes and quads to cockies.
There isn't a dealer in Dn any more, but back when they were doing the GSXR600s for $13k odd, I would have walked in Honda's door and asked them to beat it. Course, the dealer's probably tied up by what head office does, maybe why there's not a dealer here any more.
Don't get me wrong, I am very desirous of some of their bikes, but they just seem unobtainable...
awa355
24th November 2015, 14:59
Not bike related, but this has been posted exactly as this for approx 4 years. Probably more of a pessimist than an optimistic seller. Would likely be one of the most 're-listed' items on Tme.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/building-renovation/tools/power-tools/sanders/auction-984856280.htm
OddDuck
25th November 2015, 12:12
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-925415182.htm
Rather optimistic given that there's another one on offer for $3K less... and isn't this the bike that's next to impossible to get front tyres for?
jasonu
1st December 2015, 13:34
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Suzuki-GSX-R-/201475985080?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee8e78eb8:g:Y5EAAOSw4UtWTYE5&item=201475985080
F5 Dave
1st December 2015, 18:42
Buy now $12k USD.
Non std paint, decals, muffler, brakes. And they were the least iconic and worst heaviest GSXR. Looks nice, but piss off.
F5 Dave
1st December 2015, 19:27
Cool little bike. 27k? Are you having a piss?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-987504637.htm
F5 Dave
1st December 2015, 19:31
Ohh here's a goody. Only 2000k . . . ish.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-986344184.htm
No twats.
How's he going to sell it in that case? Nice side panel art.
F5 Dave
1st December 2015, 19:40
Fuck that's ugly, I wouldn't give you $6000 for that. Heck I wouldn't give you $600. Or even $6 if I had to keep it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm
And he seems like such a nice guy too.
Ender EnZed
1st December 2015, 19:46
Cool little bike. 27k? Are you having a piss?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-987504637.htm
Bit more info on it here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/176913-Bimota-DB1-for-sale-just-listed-it-on-Trade-Me?p=1130925445#post1130925445). I don't know anything about Bimotas but, like HDC said in that thread, a quick google suggests the seller isn't totally off his rocker.
Mike.Gayner
1st December 2015, 20:00
Fuck that's ugly, I wouldn't give you $6000 for that. Heck I wouldn't give you $600. Or even $6 if I had to keep it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm
And he seems like such a nice guy too.
He's been trying to flick that for at LEAST 2 years.
jasonu
2nd December 2015, 03:49
Fuck that's ugly, I wouldn't give you $6000 for that. Heck I wouldn't give you $600. Or even $6 if I had to keep it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm
And he seems like such a nice guy too.
You might be surprised. $60k might be a stretch but it does have some value.
F5 Dave
2nd December 2015, 06:09
Comedy value?
Is it what they call `being ironic?`
Tazz
2nd December 2015, 11:22
You might be surprised. $60k might be a stretch but it does have some value.
Looked it up out of interest a while back and one sold for 6k (I think! Maybe is was 8) US not all that long ago...
RDJ
2nd December 2015, 12:03
Probably, some of the dissonance comes from us old'uns. I started riding in 1969; when say a new 1975-model bike came out it we all hailed the amazing improvements! the (infinitesimally) better brakes! actual indicators! (other than Mk I hands) and a spring on the kickstand!! So, many years later, if one's now used to new-century bikes the features and prices of the old bikes are, yeah, to yawn... but in their day they were cutting edge.
Tazz
2nd December 2015, 12:15
So, many years later, if one's now used to new-century bikes the features and prices of the old bikes are, yeah, to yawn... but in their day they were cutting edge.
Yeah people like to pay a premium for nostalgia and the effects is has on the brain. Whatever floats yer goat.
flashg
2nd December 2015, 16:47
He's been trying to flick that for at LEAST 2 years.
Says he's not interested in views or we can join the others on his blacklist. Didn't know I'd be blacklisted for viewing, till i read the auction. Oh shit.......
Stylo
2nd December 2015, 16:56
Says he's not interested in views or we can join the others on his blacklist. Didn't know I'd be blacklisted for viewing, till i read the auction. Oh shit.......
Happened to me too mate, just offered him 6k to help pay his beer and tattoo expenses.
That won't cover the wacky baccy though ...
flashg
2nd December 2015, 17:01
Happened to me too mate, just offered him 6k to help pay his beer and tattoo expenses.
That won't cover the wacky baccy though ...
Some people are just f.....ked in the head. Just saying..........
F5 Dave
2nd December 2015, 17:19
Someone your life would be considerably better if you never meet in real life.
Erelyes
2nd December 2015, 18:46
You might be surprised. $60k might be a stretch but it does have some value.
Parked in a boggy front drive in front of a shitty Terrano, a shitty Corolla, and a shitty boat.
If you're after $60k you work on your fucking presentation!!!!
jasonu
3rd December 2015, 05:24
Parked in a boggy front drive in front of a shitty Terrano, a shitty Corolla, and a shitty boat.
If you're after $60k you work on your fucking presentation!!!!
Tru dat sista!!!
Banditbandit
4th December 2015, 15:28
Parked in a boggy front drive in front of a shitty Terrano, a shitty Corolla, and a shitty boat.
If you're after $60k you work on your fucking presentation!!!!
Maybe he just put more money itno the bike because that was more important ...
(And he could mow the lawn too .. )
EJK
4th December 2015, 15:33
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=992727584
Thoughts? L1 is 2011 model right? I swear a brand new one on special cost $12,990.
pritch
4th December 2015, 15:44
Fuck that's ugly, I wouldn't give you $6000 for that. Heck I wouldn't give you $600. Or even $6 if I had to keep it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm
And he seems like such a nice guy too.
That bike must have been on TM about as long as that bloody sander.
Owl
4th December 2015, 15:59
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=992727584
Thoughts? L1 is 2011 model right? I swear a brand new one on special cost $12,990.
Think I'd rather purchase one of the new 750's on offer for $13,995.
sil3nt
4th December 2015, 16:01
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=992727584
Thoughts? L1 is 2011 model right? I swear a brand new one on special cost $12,990.
Has some nice bits on it.
$14,500 including the stuff not fitted sounds good to me
EJK
4th December 2015, 17:07
That bike must have been on TM about as long as that bloody sander.
That classified gave me cancer.
Erelyes
4th December 2015, 21:32
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=992727584
Thoughts? L1 is 2011 model right? I swear a brand new one on special cost $12,990.
You're absolutely right.
I guess the full Ti yoshi, PC5, case guards, KSS suspension, and the fact it's probably only ever had a total of 2 sets of oil in it might sweeten things a bit for some. I think it's close, not overly optimistic.
Dadpole
4th December 2015, 22:49
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-993239472.htm
How much is a can of black spray paint? I need to get busy an the old TF125...:lol:
Ender EnZed
4th December 2015, 23:39
Fuck that's ugly, I wouldn't give you $6000 for that. Heck I wouldn't give you $600. Or even $6 if I had to keep it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm
And he seems like such a nice guy too.
In the spirit of reviving classic listings from way back when this thread was young:
This guy is still hoping. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-707162175.htm)
F5 Dave
5th December 2015, 11:50
OK OK I forgot. Or blanked it, they all look the same pretty much.
Ender EnZed
5th December 2015, 19:02
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-989784496.htm
TheDemonLord
5th December 2015, 23:30
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-989784496.htm
Price aside - that bike looks pretty badass.
jasonu
6th December 2015, 05:48
Price aside - that bike looks pretty badass.
Where's the rest of it?
Owl
6th December 2015, 06:14
- that bike looks pretty badass.
Are you serious? Be less embarrassing riding a Goldwing.
nzspokes
6th December 2015, 06:27
Are you serious? Be less embarrassing riding a Goldwing.
Its a 2k Bandit with some tat thrown at it. Nasty.
HenryDorsetCase
6th December 2015, 09:06
Are you serious? Be less embarrassing riding a Goldwing.
I'd totally ride a Gold Wing. A 75-77 one...
pzkpfw
6th December 2015, 10:27
Its a 2k Bandit with some tat thrown at it. Nasty.
When I was 12 I drew several skull-and-cross-bones on my bicycle. Even at that age I soon regretted it.
Askor
6th December 2015, 17:20
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-989784496.htm
Fuck that's gay
TheDemonLord
6th December 2015, 19:35
Are you serious? Be less embarrassing riding a Goldwing.
Sure the Skull headlight is tacky as fuck - but I think the Streetfighter look works, each to their own though.
Banditbandit
7th December 2015, 08:06
Its a 2k Bandit with some tat thrown at it. Nasty.
Poor thing - someone should put it out of its misery
Sure the Skull headlight is tacky as fuck - but I think the Streetfighter look works, each to their own though.
Yeah .. I like the streetfighter look too ... but not that one ..
Pound
7th December 2015, 11:24
Definitely optimistic....... Considering it's an 07 model.......
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=994552266
EJK
7th December 2015, 11:27
Definitely optimistic....... Considering it's an 07 model.......
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=994552266
Saw that too this morning. I was like "Huh? That's 09?" :scratch:
Pound
7th December 2015, 11:30
Saw that too this morning. I was like "Huh? That's 09?" :scratch:
You know they would probably sue him for false advertising in good old America land :rolleyes:
TheDemonLord
7th December 2015, 11:33
I'm pretty sure that is the Honda that went hoofing passed me this AM when I was commuting to work ( I was doing 109 - honest officer) and then he dropped it down a cog and went off at a probably 160-180
EJK
7th December 2015, 11:40
I'm pretty sure that is the Honda that went hoofing passed me this AM when I was commuting to work ( I was doing 109 - honest officer) and then he dropped it down a cog and went off at a probably 160-180
He did mention "CRAZY FAST" on the subtitle so no false advertisement there :innocent:
Autech
8th December 2015, 08:51
Here's an interesting one:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-995180556.htm
Carjam confirms it is NZ new and has had 1 owner. If it were an NC30 I think he may just get that much dosh for it, one wonder's how much he will get for it though. Certainly is mint! I wont buy it as I would crash it and it would no longer be so mint.
EJK
8th December 2015, 08:52
Here's an interesting one:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-995180556.htm
Carjam confirms it is NZ new and has had 1 owner. If it were an NC30 I think he may just get that much dosh for it, one wonder's how much he will get for it though. Certainly is mint! I wont buy it as I would crash it and it would no longer be so mint.
That is the most expensive NC24 I've ever seen.
Banditbandit
8th December 2015, 09:59
He did mention "CRAZY FAST" on the subtitle so no false advertisement there :innocent:
160-180 is not "crazy fast" ... my big bandit is often not in top gear at that speed - a litre Honda would be barely turning over ..
nudemetalz
8th December 2015, 10:05
That is the most expensive NC24 I've ever seen.
True,..but they pretty rare nowadays. A lot rarer than the NC30s.
And that 180 crank sounds great at 14,000rpm !!
But yes,..$1.5-2K cheaper would be worthwhile.
Askor
8th December 2015, 10:35
I wont buy it as I would crash it and it would no longer be so mint.
Hahahahaha
husaberg
8th December 2015, 16:19
That is the most expensive NC24 I've ever seen.
Yip, I remember them selling for 4-5 back when they were almost current models.
HenryDorsetCase
8th December 2015, 16:40
www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-995203579.htm
This is cool as hell
except for the price. Even if he did the sausage fingers thing and swapped his 1 and 2 around its probably still more than the thing's worth.
Value is not what it cost you, its what someone will pay for it.
HenryDorsetCase
8th December 2015, 16:41
That is the most expensive NC24 I've ever seen.
You might get 7 large for a mint NC35... but not for an NC24. MHO of course.
Pumba
8th December 2015, 17:17
ww.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-995203579.htm
This is cool as hell
except for the price. Even if he did the sausage fingers thing and swapped his 1 and 2 around its probably still more than the thing's worth.
Value is not what it cost you, its what someone will pay for it.
Linky no worky
husaberg
8th December 2015, 17:26
Linky no worky
Hold on to your Hat And be prepared to mortgage the Mrs Pumba
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-995203579.htm
EJK
8th December 2015, 17:29
Hold on to your Hat And be prepared to mortgage the Mrs Pumba
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-995203579.htm
Optimist Of The Month goes to... :facepalm:
husaberg
8th December 2015, 17:40
Optimist Of The Month goes to... :facepalm:
Maybe it was meant to be in Yen or Pasos........
I like it, esp the wheels and styling that are TZ/RD400ish, but maybe $5000 like considering the amount of aftermarket stuff like the FCR carb, not over 4 times that price.
here is one on the net
http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lossa-yamaha-sr500-51.jpg
but wouldn't this be so much better
317814
Pumba
8th December 2015, 19:21
Hold on to your Hat And be prepared to mortgage the Mrs Pumba
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-995203579.htm
Yea, nah. More so nah. Actually quite a lot big nah.
Askor
8th December 2015, 21:48
but wouldn't this be so much better
:drool: :drool:
Autech
9th December 2015, 13:14
True,..but they pretty rare nowadays. A lot rarer than the NC30s.
And that 180 crank sounds great at 14,000rpm !!
But yes,..$1.5-2K cheaper would be worthwhile.
Can't argue with you there, my NC24 turns head at the track with it's ROAR! Had a mate say last round that he knew it was me behind him cause he heard me there. That's with ear plugs and on top of a ZX10r lol. That was until he hit the straight and fucked off for the remainder of the race :bash:
OddDuck
9th December 2015, 13:48
Hold on to your Hat And be prepared to mortgage the Mrs Pumba
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-995203579.htm
Gonna be fussy here... hasn't he got the floating rear brake on upside down? Every other bike I've ever seen with one has it under the disk and pulling at the rear of the bike, not above and pushing.
Scubbo
9th December 2015, 14:45
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/performance/auction-996052718.htm :tugger:
flashg
9th December 2015, 14:49
Gonna be fussy here... hasn't he got the floating rear brake on upside down? Every other bike I've ever seen with one has it under the disk and pulling at the rear of the bike, not above and pushing.
Have a closer look, you'll see the word "brembo" is the right way up and the bleed valve is at the top (where it should be) you'll find many bikes have the rear caliper on top. The pads gripping the disc is the main thing.
TheDemonLord
9th December 2015, 14:51
Have a closer look, you'll see the word "brembo" is the right way up and the bleed valve is at the top (where it should be) you'll find many bikes have the rear caliper on top. The pads gripping the disc is the main thing.
was gonna say - My 'Busa has the rear Caliper on the top.
flashg
9th December 2015, 15:00
My Yamaha 2011 XT660Z Tenere.
flashg
9th December 2015, 15:04
My Beta 300RR 2014
flashg
9th December 2015, 15:06
My 2012 Yamaha WR 450
flashg
9th December 2015, 15:08
Apology's those photos are all on the side, but they were fine when i took them
F5 Dave
9th December 2015, 17:59
Oh matey potaty. Those SR500s are good for 27-28hp and there's a lots of piston and carb right there. You'd be spinning high 30s no doubt. Rip your arms out.
Askor
9th December 2015, 18:25
My 2012 Yamaha WR 450
We get it, you have lots of cool bikes :rolleyes:
HenryDorsetCase
9th December 2015, 20:46
Oh matey potaty. Those SR500s are good for 27-28hp and there's a lots of piston and carb right there. You'd be spinning high 30s no doubt. Rip your arms out.
According to books what I have read, Norton Manx were good for 45hp - 50hp. so 40's seems reasonable. It weighs nothing too.
I'd just bout rather ride that SR500 than an R1 or whatever. Just not for the same investment.
Hell for that sort of money I would buy a BMW Rnine T (Id have to find 4 grand from somwehere)
short shins
10th December 2015, 11:07
Oh matey potaty. Those SR500s are good for 27-28hp and there's a lots of piston and carb right there. You'd be spinning high 30s no doubt. Rip your arms out.
Well the (sadly now gone) HVMCC ran a dyno night back in 93 my SR500 race bike with a Wiseco Hicomp piston (11.1 If I recall) Webcam WB2 camshaft and a 38mm Smoothbore Amal saw 40hp at the rear wheel.
as for that thing on trade me no thanks.. misguided at best
OddDuck
10th December 2015, 11:40
Have a closer look, you'll see the word "brembo" is the right way up and the bleed valve is at the top (where it should be) you'll find many bikes have the rear caliper on top. The pads gripping the disc is the main thing.
Yep, and that's how it is on my bike... on a fixed caliper, that is, one mounted to the swingarm. This is a floating caliper setup, where it rotates around the back axle and has a torque arm to the frame or engine.
flashg
10th December 2015, 12:45
Yep, and that's how it is on my bike... on a fixed caliper, that is, one mounted to the swingarm. This is a floating caliper setup, where it rotates around the back axle and has a torque arm to the frame or engine.
Ok now I get what you're meaning, mine all rotate around the back axle but lock onto the swingarm in a slot setup so it can move when adjusting the chain, which I think would be the most common these days I'm sure I've seen the setup that SR 500 has in the past, shouldn't be a problem as long as that rod doesn't bend, one would hope.
husaberg
10th December 2015, 17:13
According to books what I have read, Norton Manx were good for 45hp - 50hp. so 40's seems reasonable. It weighs nothing too.
I'd just bout rather ride that SR500 than an R1 or whatever. Just not for the same investment.
Hell for that sort of money I would buy a BMW Rnine T (Id have to find 4 grand from somwehere)
Tom Sifton got 54HP at the crank out of a Goldstar on his first atempt.
Std the DBD's Clubmans Goldstar engines were around 40HP
I can't remember what hp the Manx engine Hailwood won the IOM with was, (Bill Lacey built it and it was very special plain big end jag conrod etc) . But I think it was mid 50"S HP.
edit ok it was a fair bit more according to this
For the 1961 TT, Stan Hailwood asked Bill Lacey to build an engine for Mike, as he was without suitable machinery.
Bill had long held ideas about a special engine, so he set about the job, which entailed making a one piece crank, used with a D type Jaguar conrod, special oil pump, and a forged piston he obtained from Mahle. Bill also had cams made to his own design. All this with the bore and stroke left standard.
Bill had intended it to be best at 7500 rpm, but was pleasantly surprised to find it made 66 bhp at 7900 rpm, and was safe to 8300. This was crankshaft power, measured on Bill's Heenan and Froude DPX1 dynamometer.
http://www.accessnorton.com/speed-anomaly-t23090-15.html
F5 Dave
10th December 2015, 18:23
Well the (sadly now gone) HVMCC ran a dyno night back in 93 my SR500 race bike with a Wiseco Hicomp piston (11.1 If I recall) Webcam WB2 camshaft and a 38mm Smoothbore Amal saw 40hp at the rear wheel.
as for that thing on trade me no thanks.. misguided at best
So my guess was probably spot on for that thing.
93, gee that's early I thought Chris's was first dyno in wgtn and that was like 95,96 I think. I was expecting to find your run backed up but only found one SR and it was his brothers. My TT500 felt fast. Until you got it on the motorway.
Banditbandit
11th December 2015, 08:54
According to books what I have read, Norton Manx were good for 45hp - 50hp. so 40's seems reasonable. It weighs nothing too.
I'd just bout rather ride that SR500 than an R1 or whatever. Just not for the same investment.
Hell for that sort of money I would buy a BMW Rnine T (Id have to find 4 grand from somwehere)
Yeah .. I love that SR .. but NO WAY at that price ...
F5 Dave
11th December 2015, 18:23
Oh matey potaty. Those SR500s are good for 27-28hp and there's a lots of piston and carb right there. You'd be spinning high 30s no doubt. Rip your arms out.
More pissing on that SR.
Late 80s Honda forks an disc. Standard wheels painted black. No name shocks. LVV required for brakes.
I remember a ride on an SR back in the 80s. Hinge in the middle handling with a dose of too much rake. You could buy a brace of overpriced RZ350s that would beat that SR in every way shape and form (especially looks).
What's the talk about Manxs? Hand built race bikes. Good for a few hundred k before a refit. GP bikes of their time.
Grumph
11th December 2015, 18:37
More pissing on that SR.
Late 80s Honda forks an disc. Standard wheels painted black. No name shocks. LVV required for brakes.
I remember a ride on an SR back in the 80s. Hinge in the middle handling with a dose of too much rake. You could buy a brace of overpriced RZ350s that would beat that SR in every way shape and form (especially looks).
What's the talk about Manxs? Hand built race bikes. Good for a few hundred k before a refit. GP bikes of their time.
Still more pissing...the early SR head is the worst of a bad lot. No mention of any upgrade I saw. You can port them all you like and still get nothing...
I always laugh when i see "dynamically balanced" attatched to a single crank.
husaberg
11th December 2015, 18:39
Still more pissing...the early SR head is the worst of a bad lot. No mention of any upgrade I saw. You can port them all you like and still get nothing...
I always laugh when i see "dynamically balanced" attatched to a single crank.
Cam and FCR carb plus high comp piston (from memory)
Grumph
11th December 2015, 18:40
Cam and FCR carb plus high comp piston (from memory)
Yeah, saw that but if it's based on the wrong head, it's money badly spent.
husaberg
11th December 2015, 18:47
Yeah, saw that but if it's based on the wrong head, it's money badly spent.
Yeah granted but what can you do. That bike seemingly was about the look rather than HP. It was a silly price but it was still nicely done, which is rare on this thread.
If you wanted HP you wouldn't choose a single anyway. Unless its dirt or a single cylinder only race class.
I posted this ages ago can you imagine building an modified engine without checking the piston valve clearances.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174384-I-don-t-get-Cafe-Racers?p=1130860706#post1130860706
It says they were getting up to 60HP in the states but they might be American pony HP
AllanB
11th December 2015, 18:51
Aftermarket name brand pipes.
Yep - they cost a fair bit new. You love them. First decent $ modification on most NZ bikes.
But when selling used they are good for maybe 33.33% of what you paid for them.
So don't advertise them close to retail.
RDJ
11th December 2015, 18:56
Aftermarket name brand pipes.
Yep - they cost a fair bit new. You love them. First decent $ modification on most NZ bikes.
But when selling used they are good for maybe 33.33% of what you paid for them.
So don't advertise them close to retail.
You nailed it Allan. In good condition, not abused, scraped or dropped, most parts (and most bikes over 4 years old) are IMO worth about 33% of the purchase price. That's my personal guideline when selling stuff. And even then I am often over-optimistic :-)
AllanB
11th December 2015, 19:33
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-996028766.htm
Now I may be wrong and it's just my opinion but 10k buys a lot of alternative rides to this now days
yevjenko
11th December 2015, 19:49
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-996028766.htm
Now I may be wrong and it's just my opinion but 10k buys a lot of alternative rides to this now days
I don't think that's hugely optimistic for low k nice condition bike
Ocean1
11th December 2015, 20:18
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-996028766.htm
Now I may be wrong and it's just my opinion but 10k buys a lot of alternative rides to this now days
I don't think that's hugely optimistic for low k nice condition bike
Aye, and at last count there were roughly two in the country, one of them stolen, which lends a certain exclusivity.
Opinions on them are heavily polarized, but with a budget for several road bikes that could easily be in the gargre, as the quick saturday fang over the hill option.
All of the XB's vary in build quality and performance a fair bit, of the ones I've sampled I'd buy my old XB12R back in a heartbeat. It was the best handling and had by far the crispest engine and I'm not convinced I've managed a bike more expeditiously since. And from the look of the front tyre on that TT it's seen some brisk work also.
Laava
12th December 2015, 05:22
WTF?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/auction-996205212.htm
JimO
12th December 2015, 05:37
WTF?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/auction-996205212.htm
would have been better with a gash shot
F5 Dave
12th December 2015, 06:15
That is one odd looking lady. I guess they chose her to match the challenging looks of whatever that other thing is.
jasonu
12th December 2015, 08:21
That is one odd looking lady. I guess they chose her to match the challenging looks of whatever that other thing is.
Girly boy???
Crasherfromwayback
12th December 2015, 10:28
would have been better with a gash shot
Be more likely a cock shot.
J.A.W.
12th December 2015, 13:35
Be more likely a cock shot.
She rove you lontime! Sucky-fucky onry 5 dorrar! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUQsozpZUSw
jasonu
12th December 2015, 13:57
She rove you lontime! Sucky-fucky onry 5 dorrar! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUQsozpZUSw
You aussies are big on going up there to fuck little girls and boys eh.
J.A.W.
12th December 2015, 14:14
You aussies are big on going up there to fuck little girls and boys eh.
Mainly you Seppos - wasn't it? Pretty much fucked up the whole place.. with napalm, agent orange, & whatnot..
awa355
12th December 2015, 15:32
I had a $58 bid on a 12yr old P&S compact camera.(God only knows why). It was just an average spec camera in its day and the reviews at the time gave it a 'so so' rating. My bid was as much as I thought it was worth. In the last 90 minutes, three bidders played leapfrog and the closing bid was $143.00.
I wonder how much of this frantic bidding was from a compulsive urge to 'beat' the others to the finish line regardless of the item's value.
Have you ever been caught up in this "Fuck you, I'm going to out last you noddy" frame of mind?.
Owl
12th December 2015, 17:13
I wonder how much of this frantic bidding was from a compulsive urge to 'beat' the others to the finish line regardless of the item's value.
Happens all the time. Only got to look at the $1 reserve items that go for silly money, yet the same seller will have the same item with a lower "buy now"?:weird:
HenryDorsetCase
12th December 2015, 22:07
Have you ever been caught up in this "Fuck you, I'm going to out last you noddy" frame of mind?.
not too often but the watch I am wearing today was won after a frantic $1 rise bidding war. It was hilarious. I paid a bit much I think but I like it and wear it a bit so, meh. fuckit. Plus I beat those other turkeys.
jasonu
13th December 2015, 06:42
not too often but the watch I am wearing today was won after a frantic $1 rise bidding war. It was hilarious. I paid a bit much I think but I like it and wear it a bit so, meh. fuckit. Plus I beat those other turkeys.
That is exactly what any auction seller hopes for. All it takes is 2 or more bidders with a hard on for your item.
Stylo
13th December 2015, 16:15
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ferrari/auction-886140308.htm
Here's a bargain.
Laava
13th December 2015, 17:05
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ferrari/auction-886140308.htm
Here's a bargain.
I don't know what it is really worth but fuck, it is beautiful!
awa355
13th December 2015, 17:33
Over 1 million for a replica? No thanks.
husaberg
13th December 2015, 17:47
Over 1 million for a replica? No thanks.
37 million cheaper than the real thing though.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/11036484/Ferrari-250-GTO-fetches-world-record-auction-price.html
Ender EnZed
13th December 2015, 18:27
I've got no idea what it's worth but I'd surprised if he found a buyer for a ~$1 million car on Trademe.
Grumph
13th December 2015, 18:39
Doing D type replicas on a batch production basis, Tempero used to charge around $120,000NZ.
For a one off with the correct Ferrari engine/box, probably around $650,000NZ. Nothing's got cheaper....
J.A.W.
13th December 2015, 18:41
I've got no idea what it's worth but I'd surprised if he found a buyer for a ~$1 million car on Trademe.
Yeah, it seems a tad pricey for a replica..
I'd reckon you could pick up a ( better looking IMO) Ferrari replica - "Miami Vice Daytona Spyder" for a fraction of that ask..
Tazz
13th December 2015, 19:27
At least that Ferrari effort doesn't look like a bag of dicks.
Queue this 'Porsche' attempt...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/auction-953042983.htm
Ender EnZed
13th December 2015, 19:38
Queue this 'Porsche' attempt...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/auction-953042983.htm
It's not much of a replica but I think it looks pretty good. I'm sure it cost a lot more than $20k to build.
HenryDorsetCase
13th December 2015, 19:43
At least that Ferrari effort doesn't look like a bag of dicks.
Queue this 'Porsche' attempt...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/auction-953042983.htm
That is a truly hideous abortion. The 356 was pretty much a VW Beetle sport but the flared guards make the proportions all wrong.
Ugh. Eye bleach please
husaberg
13th December 2015, 19:59
That is a truly hideous abortion. The 356 was pretty much a VW Beetle sport but the flared guards make the proportions all wrong.
Ugh. Eye bleach please
Have a gander at this I actually kind of like it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/auction-995766999.htm
nzspokes
13th December 2015, 20:01
Over 1 million for a replica? No thanks.
I watched a vid on them being made. They dont knock them out in 10 mins.
HenryDorsetCase
13th December 2015, 21:19
Have a gander at this I actually kind of like it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/auction-995766999.htm
thats..... OK I guess. Enquiring minds would wonder why... and whether it was big enough for a motorbike in the back
I know someone with a Nissan that he bought in Japan as a novelty. It has a Mk10 Jag front and rear kind of stapled onto it. weird.
husaberg
13th December 2015, 21:40
thats..... OK I guess. Enquiring minds would wonder why... and whether it was big enough for a motorbike in the back
I know someone with a Nissan that he bought in Japan as a novelty. It has a Mk10 Jag front and rear kind of stapled onto it. weird.
Not sure I had a Suzuki carry truck and that you could get two medium square bales of silage on the deck with the sides down.:innocent:
Pretty sure you could get a bike into one. Maybe two if top and tailed.
Laava
13th December 2015, 22:20
The nz touratech site. Fuck me, these guys are fully optimistic!
http://shop.touratech.co.nz/about-us
awa355
14th December 2015, 05:05
The nz touratech site. Fuck me, these guys are fully optimistic!
http://shop.touratech.co.nz/about-us
Touratech heritage jeans $985.40 ???? Good luck to them finding a market at those prices. For every one who would pay that price, another 20 would head for the Red shed and pay $30.00 :sleep:
5150
14th December 2015, 06:40
Over 1 million for a replica? No thanks.
The Tempero Ferrari replicas are best in the world. Plus he insists on using genuine chassis and engines. Because of this they are to the highest true classic Ferrari standards and are accepted and authenticated by Ferrari them selves. When you consider that the real GTO will set you back around 37 mill (and that is if you can find one and it's owner willing to sell it), then 1 million for this is actually a bargain.
pritch
14th December 2015, 08:10
I wonder how much of this frantic bidding was from a compulsive urge to 'beat' the others to the finish line regardless of the item's value.
Many moons ago I attended a Government Stores Board presentation. They said that Customs seized cars regularly sold for considerably higher prices at auction than would have been paid if the car had been bought from a dealer. Of course dealers are in attendance at auctions but they know when to stop bidding.
pritch
14th December 2015, 08:24
The nz touratech site. Fuck me, these guys are fully optimistic!
http://shop.touratech.co.nz/about-us
$3224.19 for a jacket? And I thought BMW stuff was expensive. Next to that it's a bargain.
But all those bloody jackets shrink... :whistle:
Autech
14th December 2015, 09:18
The nz touratech site. Fuck me, these guys are fully optimistic!
http://shop.touratech.co.nz/about-us
I just find their address very amusing. Swallow Lane, I wonder if that's what they are expecting you to do to get the prices down?:sick:
HenryDorsetCase
14th December 2015, 12:16
The Klim stuff is stupid expensive. But not as expensive as that!!
F5 Dave
14th December 2015, 12:37
I have close to zero interest in cars but at least that one looks good.
- That said you could probably prise one of Lawsons YZR500s out of his hands for that sort of money. I know what I'd prefer in my lounge room. Track days could be interesting too.
What a great thread this is. Is the op still present?
N4S
14th December 2015, 14:36
WTF?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/auction-996205212.htm
I'm stumped.....is the bike the icebear and the chick is the Maddog?
WNJ
14th December 2015, 14:53
I'm stumped.....is the bike the icebear and the chick is the Maddog?
Don't know but both are as fugly as each other :sick:
RDJ
14th December 2015, 15:13
$3224.19 for a jacket? And I thought BMW stuff was expensive. Next to that it's a bargain.
But all those bloody jackets shrink... :whistle:
I had to Google that price. Because it was literally unbelievable... it's an order of magnitude more than I paid for my my first motorcycle. But now I believe it. And to think I'm riding around in a $370 Rev-It jacket... which appears to be equally protective. Or is there something Touratech-magical I am missing? does TT-tech come with collision avoidance radar or a force field?
Tazz
14th December 2015, 15:18
I had to Google that price. Because it was literally unbelievable... it's an order of magnitude more than I paid for my my first motorcycle. But now I believe it. And to think I'm riding around in a $370 Rev-It jacket... which appears to be equally protective. Or is there something Touratech-magical I am missing? does TT-tech come with collision avoidance radar or a force field?
It comes with some free stickers.
EJK
14th December 2015, 15:22
It comes with some free stickers.
And a loving hug from Touratech every time you wear it :blah:
RDJ
14th December 2015, 15:47
Ahhh... so those add-ons explain it all. Yeah, nah :-)
awa355
14th December 2015, 16:06
I had to Google that price. Because it was literally unbelievable... it's an order of magnitude more than I paid for my my first motorcycle. But now I believe it. And to think I'm riding around in a $370 Rev-It jacket... which appears to be equally protective. Or is there something Touratech-magical I am missing? does TT-tech come with collision avoidance radar or a force field?
You must be one of those "instant coffee" people. Touratech 'riders' obviously drink Latte's and nibble Devonshire scones.
husaberg
14th December 2015, 16:20
I had to Google that price. Because it was literally unbelievable... it's an order of magnitude more than I paid for my my first motorcycle. But now I believe it. And to think I'm riding around in a $370 Rev-It jacket... which appears to be equally protective. Or is there something Touratech-magical I am missing? does TT-tech come with collision avoidance radar or a force field?
I'm not so you are cut out to be a touratech person.
Yes you are missing out on that magic of wearing a touratech suit;)
JATZ
14th December 2015, 16:48
And a loving hug from Touratech every time you wear it :blah:
And if you order the right stuff you may be lucky enough to get one of these [emoji2] http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/42179b9016a354c4ed578e8a6fddb4e0.jpg
I'm afraid to use it incase I loose it [emoji16]
Sent from my ZTE R83
RDJ
14th December 2015, 16:55
Yes. I shall remain dwelling in my non-Touratech-Approved-Rider-Gear Ghetto. Those of us without WINZ/Government/Susan Devoy-approved+supplied funding must do so... though we are, verily, cast out into the Approved-Gear-Less (TM) hinterlands, yet we shall still ride...!!!
F5 Dave
14th December 2015, 17:33
And those concerned about safety will wear leather.
Gremlin
14th December 2015, 19:35
I've got a Rukka suit (Jacket AND pants - I know!) that cost around $3k, and that was below list.
If you think that is expensive, try a couple of shocks: http://shop.touratech.co.nz/touratech-suspension-plug-travel-esa-expedition-set-for-bmw-r1200gs-adventure-model-2010-2013.html
husaberg
14th December 2015, 20:32
I've got a Rukka suit (Jacket AND pants - I know!) that cost around $3k, and that was below list.
If you think that is expensive, try a couple of shocks: http://shop.touratech.co.nz/touratech-suspension-plug-travel-esa-expedition-set-for-bmw-r1200gs-adventure-model-2010-2013.html
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husaberg
14th December 2015, 21:03
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ferrari/auction-886140308.htm
Here's a bargain.
I don't know what it is really worth but fuck, it is beautiful!
Over 1 million for a replica? No thanks.
I wonder if this is the same one or a twin
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220217/Petrolhead-splashes-300-000-turning-battered-Ferrari-stunning-replica-22m-sportscar.html
Rcktfsh
15th December 2015, 06:28
I have close to zero interest in cars but at least that one looks good.
- That said you could probably prise one of Lawsons YZR500s out of his hands for that sort of money. I know what I'd prefer in my lounge room. Track days could be interesting too.
What a great thread this is. Is the op still present?
Still have a look at the thread now and then, I recently bought a YB7 in much better condition and 2/3rds of the price of the bike that prompted me to start the thread.
HenryDorsetCase
15th December 2015, 07:31
And if you order the right stuff you may be lucky enough to get one of these [emoji2]
I'm afraid to use it incase I loose it [emoji16]
Sent from my ZTE R83
Ooooh look, an $800 keyring!
5150
15th December 2015, 07:53
I found that ordering goods direct from Touratech Germany is still cheaper (even after taxes) then getting it from the NZ or Australian distributor ....
Moi
15th December 2015, 08:05
I wonder if this is the same one or a twin
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220217/Petrolhead-splashes-300-000-turning-battered-Ferrari-stunning-replica-22m-sportscar.html
If it is, IMHO, the original was prettier...
pritch
15th December 2015, 09:37
If you think that is expensive, try a couple of shocks:
Those shock prices are about what I'd have expected. Ohlins with remote reservoir and hydraulic preload for @2,800- ish is probably normal with our new miniature dollars.
The Rukka prices seem similar to BMW prices. A mere fraction of a Touratech ensemble.
Gremlin
15th December 2015, 14:52
Those shock prices are about what I'd have expected. Ohlins with remote reservoir and hydraulic preload for @2,800- ish is probably normal with our new miniature dollars.
When I got the Ohlins set (caught up with you on the last trip to service them), it was $5k for both ends (not inc install). I wonder who would service Touratech as well... the prices scare me away from even researching who OEM is etc :lol:
RDJ
15th December 2015, 18:33
And those concerned about safety will wear leather.
I have always thought that quality textile gear is as good as leather, and better when wet, in terms of protection. Unless I am misunderstanding the results of leather and textile gear being tested? Would be grateful if you can post appropriate links. Generally I ride in leather in summer, when it tends to stay dry, and textile in winter, when it frequently rains (in the lower North Island).
husaberg
15th December 2015, 18:50
And those concerned about safety will wear leather.
Off topic but a pair of Leather gloves don't last anywhere near as long on a belt sander compared to a $10 set of Kevlar gloves (that look like a pair of cotton gloves)
317951
it was on PB about 20 years ago I tried the same test at work (because the guys thought they would be shit) The test was mute though as they wouldn't wear them as they weren't available in black.:lol:
I couldn't even cut them with a Stanley knife.
But they are way more abrasion resistant than leather..
They even wick moisture away, they have no fastenings though they would be awesome for under gloves in winter.
Supposedly the best off road riding gear is a Kevlar flak/bullet proof vest as they are made for blunt force trauma. But John Key won't let me buy one.
One of those might even have spared your collarbone?
Grumph
15th December 2015, 19:01
Dave a pair of Leather gloves don't last anywhere near as long on a belt sander compared to a $10 set of Kevlar gloves (that look like a pair of cotton gloves)
317951
it was on PB about 20 years ago I tried the same test at work (because the guys thought they would be shit) The test was mute though as they wouldn't wear them as they weren't available in black.:lol:
I couldn't even cut them with a Stanley knife.
But they are way more abrasion resistant than leather..
They even wick moisture away, they have no fastenings though they would be awesome for under gloves in winter.
Supposedly the best off road riding gear is a Kevlar flak/bullet proof vest as they are made for blunt force trauma. But John Key won't let me buy one.
One of those might even have spared your collarbone?
Nah, armour that supported the shoulder may have helped.
Some years back a guy appeared here with a Kevlar suit of race "leathers" It immediately got dubbed the stretch and gro suit - for obvious reasons...
It was approved on a trial basis here - it was OK for AMA competition at the time from memory and a family member in the US had sourced it for him.
Use showed the one major fault - and for racing it's a biggie - when it hit the ground it "grabbed". Leather slides which is much less harmful. I'd think that Kevlar gloves would certainly have to have the metal/plastic inserts to allow them to slide on contact. Never seen another one like it anyway.
Probably a blind alley as far as the outer cover of a race suit goes anyway.
RDJ
15th December 2015, 19:05
The plural of anecdote is not data, but with two crashes in 30+ years, the one where I had Vanson armor in the mesh jacket and Olympia reinforced gloves/gauntlets when rear-ended at a red light, I literally got up and walked away from... Whereas the low-speed low-side I had wearing minimal gear when someone did an unsignalled right-turn in front of me at an intersection, I was still able to stand up afterwards, but required a whole lot more dressings for weeks. These were both low-speed incidents but I doubt the results would be substantially different if I came off going faster.
Ocean1
15th December 2015, 19:11
I have always thought that quality textile gear is as good as leather, and better when wet, in terms of protection. Unless I am misunderstanding the results of leather and textile gear being tested? Would be grateful if you can post appropriate links. Generally I ride in leather in summer, when it tends to stay dry, and textile in winter, when it frequently rains (in the lower North Island).
Advantage of both: http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/207210
Like every synthetic jacket I've ever met they're waterproof for 3-4 years, and that's it. I've given up worrying about that part, having added this to the wardrobe: http://www.provizsports.com/en_nz/catalog/product/view/id/1066/s/proviz-reflect360-cycling-jacket-mens/category/133/
Add a perf Alpinestar leather summer jacket and she's duck's nuts all round.
RDJ
15th December 2015, 19:14
Thank you, that is a useful resource.
Ocean1
15th December 2015, 19:18
Thank you, that is a useful resource.
A friend road tested my first Buffalo Endurance. We were both impressed.
I'd already been impressed with it's general quality and utility.
The proviz I've yet to test for waterproof, but it won't have to be very good to make an acceptable shell and it's amazingly VISIBLE in low light.
F5 Dave
15th December 2015, 19:26
Textiles offer a real world advantage that you don't have to stop to put on wet weather gear. Which only counts if they are actually waterproof, and it seems that cost real money and more often.
Cow 1.0 offers some real good advantages in abrasion resistance, but also in rigidity and slidabilty. This means that the armor iis more likely to stay in place and items less likely to be pulled of in a slide (under gloves apparently make it easy for gloves to slide off, though newer style gloves have better wrist retention).
One day synthetics may make it into racing. Boots have. But we are still waiting for something to be better than a leather race suit.
After I broke my collarbone 6 years I invested in some rather heavy expensive Forcefield complete set of armour that needed suit mods to fit in my leathers they were so thick compared to the MX armour I had before.
I still broke my collarbone and 5 ribs to boot. Who really knows if it would have been worse, accidents are such an uncontrolled experiment even on the racetrack, but I have walked away from a few.
husaberg
15th December 2015, 19:27
Nah, armour that supported the shoulder may have helped.
Some years back a guy appeared here with a Kevlar suit of race "leathers" It immediately got dubbed the stretch and gro suit - for obvious reasons...
It was approved on a trial basis here - it was OK for AMA competition at the time from memory and a family member in the US had sourced it for him.
Use showed the one major fault - and for racing it's a biggie - when it hit the ground it "grabbed". Leather slides which is much less harmful. I'd think that Kevlar gloves would certainly have to have the metal/plastic inserts to allow them to slide on contact. Never seen another one like it anyway.
Probably a blind alley as far as the outer cover of a race suit goes anyway.
Maybe, some of those military flack jackets for have the panels above the shoulder they work by dispersing the impact as well as multiple layers.
Yes Kevlar does grab, but I suggested for under gloves.....
Petty sure if someone wanted to they could blend it with a cordura style fabric like the kart suits. But there's the rub though, racers would likely still use leather because that's what they trust.
Kevlar is much lighter than leather too. most of the anti cut gloves have steel strands in them as well. I just thought they were amazing for what was a $10 glove.
Leather does have amazing properties and they are still making cows, as you would have noticed around you they are actually making more of them every day.
From memory out of those test PB done kangaroo leather was the toughest and strongest leather on a weight basis.
Kickaha
15th December 2015, 19:35
Some years back a guy appeared here with a Kevlar suit of race "leathers" It immediately got dubbed the stretch and gro suit - for obvious reasons...
It was approved on a trial basis here - it was OK for AMA competition at the time from memory and a family member in the US had sourced it for him.
Use showed the one major fault - and for racing it's a biggie - when it hit the ground it "grabbed". Leather slides which is much less harmful. .
They were quite often used in Sidecar racing in the UK and maybe Europe but they aren't able to use them for the Isle of Man, there's been a couple in use here with Sidecar guys
RDJ
15th December 2015, 20:01
FWIW the nastier crash involved leather long gloves, a leather jacket, and kevlar jeans. Most of the damage was to the wrist which were it not for the gloves, would have been really catastrophic. Major bruising to the torso, and a couple of rib fractures, but otherwise no skin loss. I don't think the jeans had that much to cope with. But basically, without good gear (and most of all, without a good full-face Shoei helmet which was written off after the crash. obviously) I would have been in for serious hospital and surgical time.
Overall, I probably still prefer leather, but - especially at my age (and waist size) - leather trousers are just not a likely solution. A Rev-It textile jacket alternating with an H-D textile jacket with armour, and Draggin' jeans, plus Icon gauntlets, Sidi boots, and (currently) a Shoei Multitec, are what I will be relying on this summer.
pritch
15th December 2015, 21:39
From memory out of those test PB done kangaroo leather was the toughest and strongest leather on a weight basis.
The GP rider's suits are made of kangaroo skin, half the thickness for the same shear strength as cowhide IIRC. Their suits fit much snugger than the leather gear normally available to us but the thinner material must offer less impact protection.
I have a couple of pairs of kangaroo skin gloves but I'd prefer not to do a palm plant at speed in them by way of testing.
husaberg
15th December 2015, 21:45
The GP rider's suits are made of kangaroo skin, half the thickness for the same shear strength as cowhide IIRC. Their suits fit much snugger than the leather gear normally available to us but the thinner material must offer less impact protection.
I have a couple of pairs of kangaroo skin gloves but I'd prefer not to do a palm plant at speed in them by way of testing.
I think the biggest problem was the hides have a lot of flaws from fighting damage and from gunshots.
Its a shame possums aren't as useful.
I still remember the first time I tried a pair of top of the line Diadora race gloves I couldn't believe how thin they were.
Last time I crashed I wasn't wearing gloves (as I was just going down the road a bit trying out some jetting) turns out it wasn't a flash idea as my right pinky is now 1/2 "shorter than it outa be.:weird:
F5 Dave
15th December 2015, 21:52
Anyway let's not ruin this thread with Atgatt
Here's another SR, but worse
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-996204289.htm
Racing Dave
16th December 2015, 03:07
Here's another SR, but worse
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-996204289.htm
It's that damned decimal point, again. It keeps appearing in the asking price just one place too far to the right.
At least this bike's saving grace is the filter on the crankcase breather...
jasonu
16th December 2015, 04:56
They were quite often used in Sidecar racing in the UK and maybe Europe but they aren't able to use them for the Isle of Man,
Doesn't matter what you wear at the IOM. If you bin it there you are fucked either way.
awa355
16th December 2015, 05:31
Anyway let's not ruin this thread with Atgatt
Here's another SR, but worse
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-996204289.htm
Worth $1300 with wof & 3 mth rego.
F5 Dave
16th December 2015, 06:17
People are actually asking questions like they are interested. Will put them off motorcycles for life.
Night Falcon
16th December 2015, 07:55
it has no rear reflector or numba plate light......that's me out.
Grumph
16th December 2015, 08:16
People are actually asking questions like they are interested. Will put them off motorcycles for life.
While I agree that one will, what worries me is that they're asking cos they want to build something similar....This thread will never die out as long as people want to recreate crap - and sell it.
F5 Dave
16th December 2015, 20:15
2-3 tanks of gas seems to be the norm before they want shot of them.
5150
17th December 2015, 14:51
Really?........:crazy:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-990577259.htm
F5 Dave
17th December 2015, 14:59
Yes that price opened my eyes wide. Nice find,6 points.
Banditbandit
17th December 2015, 15:04
Really?........:crazy:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-990577259.htm
" front wheel has never left the ground." What's he been doing ???
And 26,178km in 15 years ??? he's barely ridden it ... !!!
Banditbandit
17th December 2015, 15:06
My God .. $6350 for a Bantam ????
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-998889325.htm
rambaldi
17th December 2015, 15:13
" front wheel has never left the ground." What's he been doing ???
And 26,178km in 15 years ??? he's barely ridden it ... !!!
Only does stoppies so it is all good.
WNJ
17th December 2015, 16:07
" front wheel has never left the ground." What's he been doing ??? !!!
Must not have let the clutch out EVER :facepalm:
Erelyes
17th December 2015, 18:53
Must not have let the clutch out EVER :facepalm:
Must have done that 26 thousand km on the factory front tyre. I bet it's fucked.
Grumph
17th December 2015, 19:04
My God .. $6350 for a Bantam ????
Yeah, fuck, the apocalypse is upon us...i'd guess professionally restored a few years back and he's still got the bills.
Found something more interesting for the collection and wants to cash it up. Good luck.....
RDJ
17th December 2015, 19:04
"The front wheel has never left the ground" is just a sad admission for such a bike.
jasonu
17th December 2015, 19:18
Really?........:crazy:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-990577259.htm
'has never been raced'.
I should hope not.
HenryDorsetCase
17th December 2015, 19:38
" front wheel has never left the ground." What's he been doing ???
And 26,178km in 15 years ??? he's barely ridden it ... !!!
Have you been following the PErformance Bikes magazine project one? They have radically lightenend it, given it current tech suspension and I think a GSXR1000K5 front end, and worked the motor to give a LOT more horsepowers. It shit the gearbox so it has a NOVA one now.
Really cool bike.
HenryDorsetCase
17th December 2015, 19:40
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1000706947
Dont think I am going to own this for four grand.
But still
Grumph
18th December 2015, 04:59
[QUOTE=HenryDorsetCase;
Dont think I am going to own this for four grand.
But still[/QUOTE]
Genuine rarity, they could have been a lot better than they were. I've got a nearly complete motor here which was going to be the basis for an Egli framed pre 82.
Your bid is about right...
awa355
18th December 2015, 05:23
The only bike I owned that I never got a photo of. Comfortable to ride but wasn't anything special. This one is a lot tidier than my one ever was. I'd bid that money for it.
awa355
18th December 2015, 05:39
Starting price is a bit steep for this I think considering the work that will be needed.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-997969806.htm
My first bike. $162.00 brand new from 'Burglar Bill' in Putaruru 1969. 1/3rd deposit and paid the rest over 12 months.
Drew
18th December 2015, 06:35
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1000706947
Dont think I am going to own this for four grand.
But still
I quite like that...to turn into a flat tracker replica.
5150
18th December 2015, 06:44
Yes that price opened my eyes wide. Nice find,6 points.
I see the price dropped over night ... from 12K to 10.5K. Maybe he is a KB forum member and read our piss takes.... Still I would say 4-5 K too high
5150
18th December 2015, 07:02
" front wheel has never left the ground." What's he been doing ???
And 26,178km in 15 years ??? he's barely ridden it ... !!!
has not been in any accidents, the only scratches which can be seen in photo 8 were caused when the bike fell over when stationary. apart from that the paint work is in fantastic order.
So the front wheel has left the ground....... when it fell over. But it was not an accident. Fell over on purpose ?? :confused:
F5 Dave
18th December 2015, 08:07
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1000706947
Dont think I am going to own this for four grand.
But stillI had a hankering for one when I was a teenager. A good mechanic had on in and was talking. He was less than complimentary on the engine design. Like two SR500s but not in a good way. Chassis was shit too.
FlangMasterJ
18th December 2015, 08:49
I'm afraid to use it incase I loose it
http://i.imgur.com/gxrfWrE.gif
Oscar
18th December 2015, 14:37
http://i.imgur.com/gxrfWrE.gif
As usual Hollywood gets this wrong.
Thumbs down meant "don't kill him".
Grumph
18th December 2015, 16:19
I had a hankering for one when I was a teenager. A good mechanic had on in and was talking. He was less than complimentary on the engine design. Like two SR500s but not in a good way. Chassis was shit too.
Not that bad, fixes are well known and relatively cheap. Bottom end is plain bearing on a massive forging. Heads are restrictive,std, yes, but they're actually pretty short stroke and sohc with good geometry so you could rev the tits off them when set up right.
Chassis is like a jap Vincent - beam with motor hanging and monoshock.
As I said earlier, they could have been a lot better just tweaking what they had.
F5 Dave
18th December 2015, 18:50
Well he was a Honda fanatic. Perhaps if they used two YZ490 top ends. And say 3 degrees less rake.
HenryDorsetCase
18th December 2015, 18:59
Not that bad, fixes are well known and relatively cheap. Bottom end is plain bearing on a massive forging. Heads are restrictive,std, yes, but they're actually pretty short stroke and sohc with good geometry so you could rev the tits off them when set up right.
Chassis is like a jap Vincent - beam with motor hanging and monoshock.
As I said earlier, they could have been a lot better just tweaking what they had.
this is a shaft drive one (XV750 or 920). Genius using those wheels I thought.
Yes you would have a ton of money in it but it meets my requirements for this sort of thing: MOTORcycle with the engine the major feature.
When I was a kid skiving off in maths class I would always doodle the motor first then the rest of the bike. I was shit at maths and art as it happens....
HenryDorsetCase
18th December 2015, 19:00
As usual Hollywood gets this wrong.
Thumbs down meant "don't kill him".
Well, shit. I came for the boobies and stayed for the education.
AD345
18th December 2015, 20:26
He's dreamin
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1001449165.htm
$10K overpriced easy
Ocean1
18th December 2015, 21:19
He's dreamin
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1001449165.htm
$10K overpriced easy
Not only is he dreamin if he thinks anyone's going to pay $25k for it he's dreamin if he thinks they're going to do so before riding it.
I suspect his target market is approximately zero.
Grumph
19th December 2015, 05:06
I suspect his target market is approximately zero.
I suspect his target market is a cashed up drug dealer....
F5 Dave
19th December 2015, 05:52
Who uses too much of his own product. Handles mean. Hmm I suspect he's right. Fugly piece of shit not worthy of the name motorcycle.
F5 Dave
19th December 2015, 06:27
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-994149256.htm
Could be my old one. Non std gators and missing headlight shroud when asking twice top dollar.
Like his last comment. I think he'll be happy. Or a liar.
F5 Dave
19th December 2015, 06:34
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-995083533.htm
I hope this isnt my old one.
Fuck me people have this up to $600. Unlikely to go, frame unusable, crap parts, no paperwork. Just an idea. A bad one at that.
Laava
19th December 2015, 06:55
But it has exhaust wrap tape. A new roll.
HenryDorsetCase
19th December 2015, 08:18
But it has exhaust wrap tape. A new roll.
I've got most of a roll in the shed somewhere you can have if I can find it
Grumph
19th December 2015, 08:36
I hope this isnt my old one.
Fuck me people have this up to $600. Unlikely to go, frame unusable, crap parts, no paperwork. Just an idea. A bad one at that.
Bloody expensive motor - and he won't ship.
F5 Dave
19th December 2015, 11:48
What would you use it for? CBX or GSX even GPz better bet for pre82. Too shitty for the road.
Grumph
19th December 2015, 12:14
What would you use it for? CBX or GSX even GPz better bet for pre82. Too shitty for the road.
Got a 650 shaftie motor in the barn...The best pre 82 Junior...isn't. I'd like to measure some of them running now.
Talk to Neil about CBX's, lol, the world has run out of bits. Going by the SCF at Levels, 550 Yamahas are the biz.
F5 Dave
19th December 2015, 12:27
My CBX550 was the paragon of reliability after rebuilt crank and oil pump. Did about 60,000 k on it. Fast for a 550. Brakes despite legend were easy to work on.
Course the 350 yvps was better in every way.
Grumph
19th December 2015, 12:31
My CBX550 was the paragon of reliability after rebuilt crank and oil pump. Did about 60,000 k on it. Fast for a 550. Brakes despite legend were easy to work on.
Course the 350 yvps was better in every way.
Several LC's running at levels - quickest one had a bog standard motor...Not far back on the lead group though.
But the best 550 Yam had the field covered by at least 3 sec/lap....lot of leeway to make up there.
F5 Dave
19th December 2015, 12:35
A mates xj with a saga pipe used to scream.
jasonu
19th December 2015, 12:56
A mates xj with a saga pipe used to scream.
I gad a GS550 with a Saga pipe. It wasn't very fast but it did scream...
Kickaha
19th December 2015, 14:02
550 Yamahas are the biz.
The finest bike Yamaha ever built
I got about 3 of those motors for you to rebuild sometime :shifty:
wind_glider
21st December 2015, 19:12
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002632452.htm
Wait. So, you're saying the R3 is worse off than the Z300 around?
Quote: "I definitely prefer this than my brothers R3 around town and the twisties"
Wait again. So you're saying we're saving $1,000 when you want $6,800 for a second hand Z300 when a new one costs $7,390 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002394712.htm)?
EJK
21st December 2015, 19:15
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002632452.htm
Wait. So, you're saying the R3 is worse off than the Z300 around?
Quote: "I definitely prefer this than my brothers R3 around town and the twisties"
Wait again. So you're saying we're saving $1,000 when you want $6,800 for a second hand Z300 when a new one costs $7,390 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002394712.htm)?
Oi don't forget the $250 tail tidy he mentioned in the ad :bleh:
rambaldi
21st December 2015, 19:30
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002632452.htm
Wait. So, you're saying the R3 is worse off than the Z300 around?
Quote: "I definitely prefer this than my brothers R3 around town and the twisties"
Wait again. So you're saying we're saving $1,000 when you want $6,800 for a second hand Z300 when a new one costs $7,390 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002394712.htm)?
Dont forget the $250 tail tidy plus labour!
Ender EnZed
21st December 2015, 19:35
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002632452.htm
Wait again. So you're saying we're saving $1,000 when you want $6,800 for a second hand Z300 when a new one costs $7,390 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002394712.htm)?
He's not far wrong when you factor ~$500 of on road costs in. He is wrong about when his WOF expires, should be Nov 2018. Also, this one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-862916934.htm) is $7k new.
Depending on the nearness of the ONO he's expecting, he might not be too optimistic for this time of year.
nzspokes
21st December 2015, 19:41
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002632452.htm
Wait. So, you're saying the R3 is worse off than the Z300 around?
Quote: "I definitely prefer this than my brothers R3 around town and the twisties"
Wait again. So you're saying we're saving $1,000 when you want $6,800 for a second hand Z300 when a new one costs $7,390 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1002394712.htm)?
Its been down, look at the muffler.
Crasherfromwayback
22nd December 2015, 17:51
What a steal!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/link.aspx?i=11092&id=1003004873&t=ca&s=2585608&c=49
jasonu
22nd December 2015, 17:53
What a steal!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/link.aspx?i=11092&id=1003004873&t=ca&s=2585608&c=49
Open to offers and Similar to Triumph, Harley Davidson, Buel, Norton, Honda, Cafe Racer, Custom, Deus Ex Machina
Katman
22nd December 2015, 17:54
What a steal!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/link.aspx?i=11092&id=1003004873&t=ca&s=2585608&c=49
Well I'm impressed.
The guy's obviously a super yacht owner as well.
F5 Dave
22nd December 2015, 18:12
I assumed those dingys in the background and all the railings came included at that price. Inspired by YZs and CRs. As opposed to by hauling sheep up to the top paddock.
Laava
22nd December 2015, 18:55
What a steal!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/link.aspx?i=11092&id=1003004873&t=ca&s=2585608&c=49
The retro farmbike look is in!
5150
23rd December 2015, 09:21
What a steal!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/link.aspx?i=11092&id=1003004873&t=ca&s=2585608&c=49
Café racer or is it a sheep shit racer?
Would have looked more at home on the farm as opposed to in front of a marina <_<
Erelyes
23rd December 2015, 09:23
Open to offers and Similar to Triumph, Harley Davidson, Buel, Norton, Honda, Cafe Racer, Custom, Deus Ex Machina
I fookin aaaayt keyword spamming.
5150
23rd December 2015, 09:31
11 yo shitter for 6K? He is optimistic. And apparently the single is a new twin as he claims it sounds like a Harley. Though there could be some truth to this but only if you pull one plug off the Harley, it will also sound like shit.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1001557515.htm
yevjenko
23rd December 2015, 09:59
What a steal!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/link.aspx?i=11092&id=1003004873&t=ca&s=2585608&c=49
Must be the full chain guard that makes it worth that right?
TheDemonLord
23rd December 2015, 10:30
11 yo shitter for 6K? He is optimistic. And apparently the single is a new twin as he claims it sounds like a Harley. Though there could be some truth to this but only if you pull one plug off the Harley, it will also sound like shit.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1001557515.htm
And whats more:
Hey is this cool bike lams approved? vinoboy58 (19 19 positive feedback) 10:24 am, Wed 23 Dec
Hi there. Yes it is! So Learner's Motorcycle License is fine! 11:14 am, Wed 23 Dec
When will people learn that the minute you start modding a LAMS approved bike, it is no longer LAMS approved?!?
EJK
23rd December 2015, 10:32
And whats more:
When will people learn that the minute you start modding a LAMS approved bike, it is no longer LAMS approved?!?
Alright, let the KB questionnaire begin!
5150
23rd December 2015, 11:16
And whats more:
When will people learn that the minute you start modding a LAMS approved bike, it is no longer LAMS approved?!?
Also I think we should have a KB contest.
Spot the 5K worth of extras that were bolted/ modded on this bike...... So far I see a $200 seat, $50 rear light and $20 worth of Header tape.
Anything else I missed?......
Tazz
23rd December 2015, 11:28
Alright, let the KB questionnaire begin!
I vote for Pedro!
Tazz
23rd December 2015, 11:29
Must be the full chain guard that makes it worth that right?
Worthy of protection though, after all the chain is one of the most expensive parts on an Ag ;)
awa355
23rd December 2015, 11:48
11 yo shitter for 6K? He is optimistic. And apparently the single is a new twin as he claims it sounds like a Harley. Though there could be some truth to this but only if you pull one plug off the Harley, it will also sound like shit.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1001557515.htm
"Getting out of motorcycling for a while" Still got 6 months before he gets his licence back and the missus has had a gutsful. :nono:
F5 Dave
23rd December 2015, 12:05
Competition. Owner/builder of a bobber who doesn't try to sell it within say 3 months and rides enough to wear out tyres pads etc. We should have a whip round and offer to buy it at the ridiculous price.
Money would be safe.
TLDV8
23rd December 2015, 12:36
Some of you folk seem to be forgetting about 'the art of bike.
These craftsman are not the norm so these one of creations fetch the big dollars.
https://youtu.be/gMwxnLwcIOs
Ender EnZed
23rd December 2015, 13:02
$4.5k for an '89 DR200 anyone?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-1003554763.htm
RDJ
23rd December 2015, 18:50
Some of you folk seem to be forgetting about 'the art of bike.
These craftsman are not the norm so these one of creations fetch the big dollars.
True, this. Something is worth whatever anybody wants to pay for it.
Scubbo
23rd December 2015, 21:22
$4.5k for an '89 DR200 anyone?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-1003554763.htm
:blink: it's a minta though eh?
malcy25
24th December 2015, 14:03
Unless I've missed it, I'm surprised you fellas haven't found this nugget for a snip at $35k.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-980823080.htm
I mean, after all, it is an XR650 or Honda Dominator with some Yamaha Forks and a single side swing arm. Tank reminds me of CB750....
For LTSA cert, how does it get on without mudguards? Or tail light, or indicators....
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