Optimistic sellers

[dangerous]

it was more a did at dangerous and CX's

WELL... just for you MATE, the shit ya do on wet days...

[Kickaha]

The Morgan guzzi engine was pretty amazing.

Yeah it is, last time I was there years ago he was building a vintage looking bike with a v twin Kohler or similar

[husaberg]

Yeah it is, last time I was there years ago he was building a vintage looking bike with a v twin Kohler or similar


That's finished cafe racer styled in a BMW "Featherbed" frame.
funny enough I always wanted to do something similar with one of their flat twins :laugh:
https://smallenginesforless.com/wp-content/uploads/63_2-600x450.jpghttps://www.wfmachines.com/attachments/dscf0296-jpghttps://smallenginesforless.com/wp-content/uploads/63_3-600x450.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkKsHEtw8N1lYNOT6T_MuSfbg3rDuXs BjKHQ&s

https://www.wfmachines.com/attachments/dscf0296-jpg

WELL... just for you MATE, the shit ya do on wet days...
That could work with a swingarm out of a R80 75 k100 flipped.

[F5 Dave]

CX would look good if you put a normal VTwin in there.

[F5 Dave]

I had a loner NV400 when my cbx had crank issues. It did everything a *onda does so I have a soft spot for it

Certainly not exciting, though.

[Laava]

It's bike bingo time again.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5396276881

Silly seat, pipe wrap. Shitty model. Generally in a state of fucked. Passes wof easily it sez. . . But obviously can't.

Serious offers only.
Seriously?

It's a $300 bike. - Pay me $300 and I'll come around to set it on fire in your driveway if there's nothing close that could catch fire.
You'll have to provide matches and fuel mind.
This one is better but still laughable!
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/kawasaki/listing/5405577280

[F5 Dave]

Nice find. With 1/2 doz pictures and it's still hard to see what it looks like.
Will be a KZ440, a mate had one.

The , um, seat? Is the best bit:wacko:

[Laava]

Surprised Profit Tamaki hasn't snapped these up!:laugh::laugh::laugh:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/4209000849330359/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-8706212065028693760%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%224 389881610068644992%22%2C%22top_level_post_id%22%3A %224389881610068644992%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%2 2%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A4389881610068644 992%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_ position%5C%22%3A28%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%2 2%3A7630725967740005230%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5 C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A0.000130606697087 46%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A116%2C%5C%22candida te_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%22250009305 96173615%5C%22%3A3003%2C%5C%229873399472789207%5C% 22%3A3099%7D%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%7D %22%2C%22lightning_feed_qid%22%3A%22-8706236872722846129%22%2C%22lightning_feed_ranking _signature%22%3A%227630725967740005230%22%7D

[HenryDorsetCase]

Surprised Profit Tamaki hasn't snapped these up!:laugh::laugh::laugh:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/4209000849330359/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-8706212065028693760%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%224 389881610068644992%22%2C%22top_level_post_id%22%3A %224389881610068644992%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%2 2%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A4389881610068644 992%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_ position%5C%22%3A28%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%2 2%3A7630725967740005230%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5 C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A0.000130606697087 46%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A116%2C%5C%22candida te_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%22250009305 96173615%5C%22%3A3003%2C%5C%229873399472789207%5C% 22%3A3099%7D%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%7D %22%2C%22lightning_feed_qid%22%3A%22-8706236872722846129%22%2C%22lightning_feed_ranking _signature%22%3A%227630725967740005230%22%7D

Here's one for the sensible people. "I hate religious fuckwittery" was taken apparently

[Laava]

Here's one for the sensible people. "I hate religious fuckwittery" was taken apparently
But that implies you believe in god?
He loves you, you know!
Here's one that is available…

[Kickaha]

But that implies you believe in god?


Which God ?

[Laava]

Witch god?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Which God ?

aLL OF tHEM!

I like the Roman ones (Dionysus, Aphrodite being particular faves) and also the one that is an elephant (Ganesh) but also Shiva the destroyer (because \m/ ) and Kali with the many arms. Some of the Norse ones are cool too.

They're all equally imaginary so may as well indulge the smorgasbord.

[Laava]

I must say I do approve of Terry Pratchetts gods, they just seems so believable…

[jellywrestler]

aLL OF tHEM!

I like the Roman ones (Dionysus, Aphrodite being particular faves) and also the one that is an elephant (Ganesh) but also Shiva the destroyer (because \m/ ) and Kali with the many arms. Some of the Norse ones are cool too.

They're all equally imaginary so may as well indulge the smorgasbord.

i've had a few chicks yell oh my god when they've had an orgasm, never one of the other ones so there must be only one real one

[HenryDorsetCase]

i've had a few chicks yell oh my god when they've had an orgasm, never one of the other ones so there must be only one real one

well all righty then.

[F5 Dave]

Pictures or it never happened. Actually no.

[Channeling Cunk] jesus was a carpenter which is ironic as the first thing you say when you hit your thumb with a hammer. . .

[F5 Dave]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5421609968

As says in comments; $3200 seems a bit steep fir an old Harley :lol:

Why would you pay that much when they all look the same but with varying reliability and cost?

[dangerous]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5421609968

As says in comments; $3200 seems a bit steep fir an old Harley :lol:

Why would you pay that much when they all look the same but with varying reliability and cost?

FUCK ME... look at the oil stain under it on the tar seal... its bout 3200 diameter...
actually I was going to ask a question it was going to be .


i've had a few chicks yell oh my god when they've had an orgasm
thats weird... cos I yelled that in the shower this morning...

[husaberg]

i've had a few chicks yell oh my god when they've had an orgasm

Golly, your house must have really thin walls if you can hear that from a few rooms away?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5421609968

As says in comments; $3200 seems a bit steep fir an old Harley :lol:

Why would you pay that much when they all look the same but with varying reliability and cost?
That hardly is nearly 3x the price of a RGS1000 Lavada on TM atm
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/laverda/listing/5413231386

FFS i would say this 3 1/2 morini would be a better all around bike and you would have 20k to spare and it makes better potato sounds.https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/moto-morini/listing/5312354644

If you were buying the hardly as an investent these would be better even if it past peak $$$
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/norton/listing/5408462790

[F5 Dave]

Well I've just been looking in the Classic section.
Have you noticed how much activity there is currently?
I'm seeing some weird stuff come up for sale, but also the volume.

It's like people are feeling the pinch and divesting some collections. And or they realise the world over the collapse is occurring as people Age Out and just in general so lots gets dumped on the market at once which slows it further as they struggle to find people with spare cash who want something on the edge of their experience.

And there will be those that steadfast refuse to accept their 'investment ' is worth less now. Simply supply and demand.

Nice RD I don't have space for. . .

[husaberg]

Well I've just been looking in the Classic section.
Have you noticed how much activity there is currently?
I'm seeing some weird stuff come up for sale, but also the volume.

It's like people are feeling the pinch and divesting some collections. And or they realise the world over the collapse is occurring as people Age Out and just in general so lots gets dumped on the market at once which slows it further as they struggle to find people with spare cash who want something on the edge of their experience.

And there will be those that steadfast refuse to accept their 'investment ' is worth less now. Simply supply and demand.

Nice RD I don't have space for. . .

its that age where those are dying off or getting too old to enjoy are divesting or their partner is....
Stuff that is on the rise now are not whats on sale. Or maybe marriage break us when the kids leave home?
Mid 90s to 2000s on the rise. 60-70s on the decline. Special stuff will always be special but the common stuff that had an artificial high price loses out big when the market moves.

Or maybe its the chemtrails or covid vaccine nanobots

[F5 Dave]

Oh they're delicious, have them on my (organic) cornflakes.

[pritch]

Or maybe its the chemtrails or covid vaccine nanobots

Or maybe, like me, the mere thought of a kick start makes them want to sit down and rest for a while.

[husaberg]

Or maybe, like me, the mere thought of a kick start makes them want to sit down and rest for a while.

Sounds like a diversion from big farpharmapedic
whch is the farmers and the drug companies and "big orthopaedic "

[neels]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8gd_8PywHo

[neels]

Is this the value of one of these things now, or just another optimist?

It's been a while since I've looked at anything in this demographic, but I can understand there's probably a rarity factor due to most of them having been chucked down the road by an over enthusiastic learner overestimating their talent.

https://www.facebook.com/share/16pBVDZwjo/

356451

[F5 Dave]

For a poxy import 250? That falls into the category of Fuck Off:nya:

Also looks pretty manky, probably aliexpress fairings with badly done tank paint surely?

[pete376403]

Is this the value of one of these things now, or just another optimist?

It's been a while since I've looked at anything in this demographic, but I can understand there's probably a rarity factor due to most of them having been chucked down the road by an over enthusiastic learner overestimating their talent.

If you're going to attempt a Lucky Strike replica it should at least be some sort of Suzuki

[jellywrestler]

If you're going to attempt a Lucky Strike replica it should at least be some sort of Suzuki

Wash your mouth out Kiwi Richard Scott rode for lucky strike on a yamaha so more appropriate than suzuki here....

[jellywrestler]

Is this the value of one of these things now, or just another optimist?



Could have told his wife it was an investment, or told her he'd sell it but want for 100years at this price so safe there, or been shaken when he was a baby, all are possible

[pete376403]

Wash your mouth out Kiwi Richard Scott rode for lucky strike on a yamaha so more appropriate than suzuki here....

Son had a Lucky Strike RGV (a real one not aftermarket decals) so quite appropriate

[jellywrestler]

Son had a Lucky Strike RGV (a real one not aftermarket decals) so quite appropriate

fair call.and Kevin Sshwantz was a pretty high profile rider, as was egbert streur.

[HenryDorsetCase]

fair call.and Kevin Sshwantz was a pretty high profile rider, as was egbert streur.

Egbert who?

[pritch]

Egbert who?

Indeed. I had to look him up. Multiple world champion sidecar driver apparently. Who knew?

[F5 Dave]

Great. They can plaster his sponsorship (Mom, Dad, Gary's Tyres) over a Watsonion and people will call it an ESR.

[jellywrestler]

Egbert who?

Streuer, sorry spelled it wrong

[Kickaha]

IMultiple world champion sidecar driver apparently. Who knew?

I did, you ignorant peasants

[HenryDorsetCase]

I did, you ignorant peasants

I beg forgiveness, Your Grace

[jato]

yip and his swinger was Gerard de Haas from memory - hard doers too as most of them are. some of those European circuits... spa ,sulzberg etc

[pritch]

Eric Oliver I recall although he was before my time. His passenger was Dennis Jenkinson who became a famous Motorsport scribe. Florian Camathias I remember was winning lots on his BMW. Later Chris Vincent was winning some on his BSA. Then I lost touch. Come to think of it though sidecars are not even part of the programme now. Maybe it was them who lost touch.

[husaberg]

Eric Oliver I recall although he was before my time. His passenger was Dennis Jenkinson who became a famous Motorsport scribe. Florian Camathias I remember was winning lots on his BMW. Later Chris Vincent was winning some on his BSA. Then I lost touch. Come to think of it though sidecars are not even part of the programme now. Maybe it was them who lost touch.
Chris V was more than pretty decent on a solo as well, Colin Seeley, i think one in a pommy championship or at least placed. (he won a pommy championship )
Rolf Biland and Rudi Kurth and Dane "Catwoman" not sure if they were married.
Helmat Fath
That exhausts my recollection of sidecars other than nodrog Tina and Tracey Scrivy plus sidecar Bob and Kendoll.
Plus, some old panda from Rangiora.

Oh Darren Dixon as well. He rode GP in solo and Sidecars.

[jellywrestler]

That exhausts my recollection of sidecars other than nodrog Tina and Tracey Scrivy plus sidecar Bob and Kendoll.
Plus, some old panda from Rangiora.



so my 3 new zealand championships don't even feature, i'm heartbroken.

[husaberg]

so my 3 new zealand championships don't even feature, i'm heartbroken.

I think its your features that are the issue, compared to Tracey and Tina and kendoll anyway i am sure you are prettier than Gordon or maybe Scrivy... :)

[Kickaha]

Oh Darren Dixon as well. He rode GP in solo and Sidecars.

2 x World Sidecar Champion


anyway i am sure you are prettier than Gordon or maybe Scrivy... :)

He isn't

[roogazza]

Eric Oliver I recall although he was before my time. His passenger was Dennis Jenkinson who became a famous Motorsport scribe. Florian Camathias I remember was winning lots on his BMW. Later Chris Vincent was winning some on his BSA. Then I lost touch. Come to think of it though sidecars are not even part of the programme now. Maybe it was them who lost touch.

Haven't heard the name Dennis Jenkinson for many moons !!!

I was a Stirling Moss fan as a young fella , he was my hero !!!!:yes:

[husaberg]

I missed Owen Greenwood

and it seems locall legend (but according to Warwick at least ) not a looker spyda

https://www.dannatavintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Owen-Greenwood-3_031102230_31963.jpg
https://www.dannatavintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Owen-Greenwood-1.jpg

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjzrR9jyWzMtNPv7Y9OuT9Kn4FD0dS9o507NpH7iL6f5H 8F4cMlEZy-59WQz1vB-yB6HFrESKeDhKVPM0sy74z9AXcLuARgNwpdOuePBTALfQY0mzu pcx92H5A-n7r8OMjK1ddtf0uMs7ti/s400/Greenwood+Mini+special.png

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His success led to new rules like where the wheels were placed and how many there were plus not having a steering wheel....<iframe width="511" height="383" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZpeCfkniFz0" title="Car Or Side Car Aka New Type Motorbike (1965)" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>



One of Rudi Kurths check out the chains
Plus The homemade yamaha triple
https://live.staticflickr.com/3250/2966768999_9e0de503e3_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/3208/2966834403_b35b3e2e9f_z.jpg

plus his transporter based on a Citeron the catvan
http://www.classic-motorrad.de/cm2002/kurth/pictures/kurth-catvan.jpg
http://www.classic-motorrad.de/cm2002/kurth/pictures/kurth-3.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRXy5saj6R-k-mRCUNRP5WC3Oc2UnXKsshWw&s
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b8/ce/0c/b8ce0ca76b441f0a84a621407fc59d58.jpg

[F5 Dave]

Well here's a tryer.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/5436611728

Now the colour looks good, but pictures are pretty low res so could just be a rattle can job. Mis-matching of tyres, front guard erm brake line a bit close?

But the summary is that you would be pretty disappointed spending $5k and finding out how sad a poor old 80s 250 single goes.

[SaferRides]

If anyone wants an R6 in original condition... One owner, 170,000 km.

Sent from my SM-S938B using Tapatalk
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250725/da7fd29cde06da2788311b8e07f92f95.jpg

[F5 Dave]

RGV behind it please.

[pritch]

RGV behind it please.

My reaction too.

[SaferRides]

RGV behind it please.LoL, I tried to keep it out of the photo! There's a few other race bikes on display - Cyclespot in Auckland.

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[HenryDorsetCase]

Remember the mothership in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND?

Wonder what happened to it?

Wonder no more.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/harley-davidson/listing/5212960756

I just hope all them blue lights are on poles that can be controlled from the cock pit. Though with a typical Hoggley Doggley output of 50 hp from 1600cc if you had all the lights going at once there would be no spare ergs for forward propulsion.....

Anyway, if anyone wants to buy this for me, please dont.

[Laava]

It is really only missing a nodding dog and one of those good luck paw waving cats.
oh and some large crackling flames. Organic ones.

[F5 Dave]

Dee Dee Doo Doo Daaàh.

[F5 Dave]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5467025889

This is kinda cool.
But it's still a non running 370 for 7k:shit:

[F5 Dave]

Ya what?:weird:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/5442376865

[jellywrestler]

Ya what?:weird:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/5442376865

don't ya just love the effort some people put into selling stuff, at least they mentioned the rego status, for a change

[husaberg]

Ya what?:weird:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/5442376865

Oil pressure light or level light?
They just had a sight glass didint they?

[dangerous]

Ya what?:weird:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/5442376865

its that sensor Dave the one next to the flux capacitor... ohh and the red light will go out if you take ya foot of the brake peddle...DOH

[F5 Dave]

Oil pressure light or level light?
They just had a sight glass didint they?

I'd say "who knows?" But I'll upgrade that to " who cares?"

And yes if you want $2.5k for a $300 bike at least another to drag it outside, run an oily rag over it and a few pictures in the sun to make it seem more attractive than " why dont you get rid of that bloody bike? You never ride it. "

She's not wrong. You've turned into a miserable old prick mister.

[F5 Dave]

Hey look! A clown's comedy bike. You could ride this in parades and that sort of thing.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5442087265

And again. Yes it is an effort to drag it outside, heck even trailer it to a cafe or a beach or something to sell the lie of being perceived as cool if you were to own this.

Otherwise it looks like what it is. A garage filler albertross that you have lost interest in riding, probably because it's like being kicked in the arse endlessly on a smooth road.

[F5 Dave]

There was a thing for these as people wondered what to do with crashed ones or when the uber expensive ABS died on queue.

Um. . . Where's the rest of it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/bmw/listing/5441716139

Needs a full rewire, if I get time. . . Well clearly you've lost interest.

And how will it run with no airbox and a filter hanging off the side? Do you have to rechip those? and who has tge sw to interface with those old FI units?

Needs of course an LVV for framework and brakes (sans ABS as std might be a real issue.

How much??!!?

[F5 Dave]

Ok last one for tonight.

Made for one year only he sez. But I know they had updates to try to stop them exploding I assumed it was the next year?
Had a crazy system of solid crankpin on middle cylinder then changed to oversized rod eye. I've seen them but can't recall.
Says cylinders were replated. . . Hmm. Memory has me holding a barrel and being flabbergasted that it was iron
Maybe that was just the head. It bolted on and there was a ally water jacket over the top of it.

Very rare as they were an unreliable engine with VT250 running gear competing with RG250s.

Racing pedigree. Make me larf!

Used to see rows of them outside Sawyercommin from the school bus. Buy a VF and get a free MVX we used to joke.
Of course the VF was almost as bad for reliability.

How much?!?¿

[husaberg]

Ok last one for tonight.

Made for one year only he sez. But I know they had updates to try to stop them exploding I assumed it was the next year?
Had a crazy system of solid crankpin on middle cylinder then changed to oversized rod eye. I've seen them but can't recall.
Says cylinders were replated. . . Hmm. Memory has me holding a barrel and being flabbergasted that it was iron
Maybe that was just the head. It bolted on and there was a ally water jacket over the top of it.

Very rare as they were an unreliable engine with VT250 running gear competing with RG250s.

Racing pedigree. Make me larf!


Used to see rows of them outside Sawyercommin from the school bus. Buy a VF and get a free MVX we used to joke.
Of course the VF was almost as bad for reliability.

How much?!?¿
A link would help i counldn't find it under mxv mvx250 or honda 250?

[jellywrestler]

Oil pressure light or level light?
They just had a sight glass didint they?

two stroke tank maybe of that era had a light on them, remember this is the company whose YDS2 premix pump was driven off the gearbox, and the clutch at the end of the crank, pull up in gear at an intersection, blip the throttle for the chicks and ya oil pump is stopped, seizure is fairly quick to follow

[husaberg]

two stroke tank maybe of that era had a light on them, remember this is the company whose YDS2 premix pump was driven off the gearbox, and the clutch at the end of the crank, pull up in gear at an intersection, blip the throttle for the chicks and ya oil pump is stopped, seizure is fairly quick to follow

I have a YDS3. :) i am familiar with the idiosyncratic layout, i assume it was inherited from the Adler design they borrowed.
I think the bigest issue wa the clutch went from 10000 to 7000 rpm during gearshifts or even worse on the racing variant they used to snap of the end of the crank.
That's a Lot of momentum or is it Ke?

Dave can chip in but i think the oil pump on the Stinger/wolf only works when in gear . the tacho drives off this and it stops when you pull the clutch in the T250 /T500 was probably the same?
...I found a rusted oil tank off a two toke the other day shaped like a large hip flask with a rear wheel shaped groove cut out in the back it was steel no idea what its from. Stinger Dave?

[Kickaha]

Hmm. Memory has me holding a barrel and being flabbergasted that it was iron
Maybe that was just the head.

Your memory is correct, it was the barrel, I picked a MVX250 up down here for White Trash and remember thinking how shit that was

[F5 Dave]

A link would help i counldn't find it under mxv mvx250 or honda 250?
Sorry in hurry as food on table.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5466995448

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sorry in hurry as food on table.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5466995448

If you wanted one, that's the one to buy.

IF you wanted one.

I think I nearly bought a bike from that guy late last year early this year. Decided not to in the end

[F5 Dave]

You could park it next to your XZ400 and 550.

Or your Hesketh :innocent:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah but nah. I am kicking myself - there was a GPz550 unitrack came up on tardme a few months ago - it looked very good but not over-restored so you were not keen to ride it. I dithered and then didnt buy it. Guy wanted $6500 asking from memory. It was in Palmy North or somewhere. Anyway I may have spent a couple of hours trawling expired listings seeing if I could find a phone number for the guy.

[husaberg]

Yeah but nah. I am kicking myself - there was a GPz550 unitrack came up on tardme a few months ago - it looked very good but not over-restored so you were not keen to ride it. I dithered and then didnt buy it. Guy wanted $6500 asking from memory. It was in Palmy North or somewhere. Anyway I may have spent a couple of hours trawling expired listings seeing if I could find a phone number for the guy.

You shoud be flagellating yourself for buying husqvarna vellipin 701 instead of a far pretttier 701 supermono .You should be able to look at the mantleplace if you want to.
I always loved the looks of the early 80's GPZ's they got that boxy look just right.

[F5 Dave]

Well I thought I'd play "what can you buy that's better than a gpz550 for 6.5k?"

First listing with my price range search. Also in palmy, also a kawi middle weight.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/kawasaki/listing/5421524652

And save a grand into the bargain.
Hmm turned into a short game.

[jato]

new gears in the MVX at 1500km ... there is a flaw in the lube system on those - i know it affects top gear at least . a guy i know has sorted that shortcoming - if anyone buys it let us know and i'll find out what the fix is

[F5 Dave]

You want older? Well another kawi middle weight . But in chch.
And much cooler :cool:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/kawasaki/listing/5457157877

[F5 Dave]

new gears in the MVX at 1500km ... there is a flaw in the lube system on those - i know it affects top gear at least . a guy i know has sorted that shortcoming - if anyone buys it let us know and i'll find out what the fix is
Actually I have seen bits of one more recently , at your place near 3 years back. Forgot that.

My initial memory was Murray Scott MB50 stalwart had some bits he was going to graft on. He worked at the local breaker mid 80s so there was a supply of them fairly shortly.

[jato]

Good memory Dave! it was something to do with oil not getting back to the gearbox level from the clutch casing - waiting for a phonecall atm

[husaberg]

new gears in the MVX at 1500km ... there is a flaw in the lube system on those - i know it affects top gear at least . a guy i know has sorted that shortcoming - if anyone buys it let us know and i'll find out what the fix is

The gear ratio are the same as a VT. (And CBR250rr) I always assumed the box was the same is it?

[jato]

the problem is to do with the positioning and size of the oil holes between the gear and clutch casings making the running level low in the gear case so 6th gear and one or two others don't get much oil. I took the one that was in for crank work here for a blast around Tapawera a few months back - quite a rocket and real good handling too. we changed the ultra heavy center rod/piston for a normal one and fiddled the balance factors a bit and used CR 80? pistons

[HenryDorsetCase]

You shoud be flagellating yourself for buying husqvarna vellipin 701

Even worse I bought a 401......

and my favourite GPz is the swoopy one. One of my favourite bikes ever was an 83 GPz750. Did a lot of miles on it fanging round Wellington in the mid to late 80's (left in early 1988)

[pritch]

There was a thing for these as people wondered what to do with crashed ones or when the uber expensive ABS died on queue.

Um. . . Where's the rest of it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/bmw/listing/5441716139

Needs a full rewire, if I get time. . . Well clearly you've lost interest.

And how will it run with no airbox and a filter hanging off the side? Do you have to rechip those? and who has tge sw to interface with those old FI units?

Needs of course an LVV for framework and brakes (sans ABS as std might be a real issue.

How much??!!?

LOL takes me back to when I owned one. Great bike at the time but that time has passed.

[F5 Dave]

I rode a mates 100RS and it was quite useful well my CBX550 was the comparison or his GS1000 that I borrowed when the cbx did its crank.
Then a mates 16V bmw K. It was awful. Very germanic. Maybe my comparison had improved 🤔

[rastuscat]

Even worse I bought a 401......

and my favourite GPz is the swoopy one. One of my favourite bikes ever was an 83 GPz750. Did a lot of miles on it fanging round Wellington in the mid to late 80's (left in early 1988)

I had a 1981 GPz 550 H2 when I was in the navy in 1982. Reg was 74LBR, no idea why I remember that. Someone needed it more than me, it got pinched.

I still cruise through TM from time to time, to see if I can relive my youth. None seem to exist any more, or at least, none get sold.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I had a 1981 GPz 550 H2 when I was in the navy in 1982. Reg was 74LBR, no idea why I remember that. Someone needed it more than me, it got pinched.

I still cruise through TM from time to time, to see if I can relive my youth. None seem to exist any more, or at least, none get sold.

I'm only nostalgic for stuff I didnt have back in the day. So GPz550, GPz900. but not GPz750 (unless turbo.......) - I knew a guy who had one but he didnt let ANYBODY ride it.

[husaberg]

Even worse I bought a 401......

and my favourite GPz is the swoopy one. One of my favourite bikes ever was an 83 GPz750. Did a lot of miles on it fanging round Wellington in the mid to late 80's (left in early 1988)
oh dear is it at least much faster than the SR was?

I'm only nostalgic for stuff I didnt have back in the day. So GPz550, GPz900. but not GPz750 (unless turbo.......) - I knew a guy who had one but he didnt let ANYBODY ride it.

This issue of Cycle world, but like a 80s pin up model now vs, then, maybe nostalgia and what you thought the ride would be back then is likely better than the reality of riding the real thing now

https://magazine.cycleworld.com/issue/19830601#!&pid=40

You are correct though it is more swoopy than i recall.
kind of pistol grip tank merging with side covers with a bit of Star Wars Imperial stormtrooper/ Katana in the headlight.
still pretty now likely a handful in the twisties carrying 60kg more weight now than it should.

[HenryDorsetCase]

oh dear is it at least much faster than the SR was?

surprisingly so. lighter and more power (relatively). Mission statement/use case is "shingle roads to cafes <50km from my house" i.e. on Banks Peninsula. Tiny single lane shingle roads with hamlets where you can enjoy hog butchering, banjo music and interfamilial relations....





This issue of Cycle world, but like a 80s pin up model now vs, then, maybe nostalgia and what you thought the ride would be back then is likely better than the reality of riding the real thing now
https://magazine.cycleworld.com/issue/19830601#!&pid=40

You are correct though it is more swoopy than i recall.
kind of pistol grip tank merging with side covers with a bit of Star Wars Imperial stormtrooper/ Katana in the headlight.
still pretty now likely a handful in the twisties carrying 60kg more weight now than it should.

yes. and yes. I still love CB740's but every time I ride or work on one I realise how far we've come. Even that 1993 Ducati Monster I had was waaaaaay better.

[F5 Dave]

A mate had a GPz305. It was worlds better than his XS250.
Until it wasn't. And again. And again it ate it's own cams.

He bought an RZ350K which was much better but pretty wayward (ropey example). He then bought a new RD350FU (faired RZ350 ypvs). That was much much better.
So i bought it. Several fun years of tuning and wheelies. And an FZ400 rear wheel that was same pattern and was wider and slotted right in with only a reasonable amount of machining.

Where was i?

[jellywrestler]

kind of pistol grip tank merging with side covers with a bit of Star Wars Imperial stormtrooper/ Katana in the headlight.


nah these looked sweet, the Katanas always did, and still look like a recently fucked bum.

[husaberg]

nah these looked sweet, the Katanas always did, and still look like a recently fucked bum.

Well I read on a conspiracy website that bumfucking is a prerequisite for Katana ownership....

surprisingly so. lighter and more power (relatively). Mission statement/use case is "shingle roads to cafes <50km from my house" i.e. on Banks Peninsula. Tiny single lane shingle roads with hamlets where you can enjoy hog butchering, banjo music and interfamilial relations....
That's every town with 200knm from where i live.....
Still feel you should have gone supermono. Did you try one?

yes. and yes. I still love CB740's but every time I ride or work on one I realise how far we've come. Even that 1993 Ducati Monster I had was waaaaaay better.


Monsters are cool, i just wish they styled a version in 851 style, but if they did that it would have stolen sales from the 900ss i guess..
I always loved how Ducati used so many of the same parts to create very different bikes.pretty sure it was part of the brief Galluzzi had.

https://youtu.be/jDQUU37wROk
this above was the interview i was looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M6VJ-BS6mY&t=85s



A mate had a GPz305. It was worlds better than his XS250.
Until it wasn't. And again. And again it ate it's own cams.

He bought an RZ350K which was much better but pretty wayward (ropey example). He then bought a new RD350FU (faired RZ350 ypvs). That was much much better.
So i bought it. Several fun years of tuning and wheelies. And an FZ400 rear wheel that was same pattern and was wider and slotted right in with only a reasonable amount of machining.

Where was i?
I forgot about the 305 they had a 250 the same year as the Vt250 came out 82/83 its was ever so slightly faster 173 on a downhill (Bathurst?) i think in a wheels road test.

[jellywrestler]

Monsters are cool, .

funny how they emerged a short time after the hesketh Vortan, when i went to the hesketh base in the uk they were still pissed off by its remarkable similarity

[F5 Dave]

https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/cowabunga--70368812913198458/https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/cowabunga--70368812913198458/

Just sayn

[husaberg]

funny how they emerged a short time after the hesketh Vortan, when i went to the hesketh base in the uk they were still pissed off by its remarkable similarity

Really I always thought thre vortan was hidious like a below-the-knee skirt and fat ankles....what was that colour some pastel green or biege or something?
I preferred the original styling, elegant and refined.
edit Green....
https://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/hesketh/images/Hesketh-Vortan-1100.jpg

Okay its mainly the hugger that makes it hidious, but the seat and tank lack depth to me.
Seat is too short at rear looks to me like it owes a bit to a XR750
fron to tank looks vaugely Vmax ?
Yeah if i squint the tank top of it looks a little like a monster and in blending seat ,.....but so do heaps of other bikes tbh.
when you see the shape of the airbox etc and not having the tank back towards where rearsets would be plus the battery, you can see why the monster is shaped like it is. The monster hugger is the same as a 851. As basically a lot of parts.
That exhaust looks like it belongs an a mk2 transit van.
headlinght is all wrong looks like a CD175 narcelle x with a Plastic maggot headlight

If I were to say what looked like the most monster pre-monster, I would say this: we sold a few when I worked at a Honda dealership, even one to a priest.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/jqy77/s4/1991-honda-cb250-nighthawk.webp

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPt-ez37JRnknEFh1fdLbJsjQIz0aS3aQFPA&s

to be honest srx250 BR250
https://ventura-bike.com/cdn/shop/files/Kawasaki_CS250_85.jpg?v=1752715384https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Yamaha%20SRX250%2084%20%201.jpg
secca
https://ridermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/web-IMG_0882.jpg

guzzi as well.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKu6QQkpu9Xjcjp3ARtMP2KT0js-zQg92dCw&s

[F5 Dave]

Jesus! I wouldn't touch that with yours!

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5477375931

What are these "really" worth now? All the dudes who wanted one back in the day are dead, drooling into their dinner at the rest home, or can't ride them because their back shoulders hips knees wont fold enough to get on them. I have always liked the look and was hella keen to buy one, till I rode one. The ergos didnt work for a 25 year old short fat bloke let alone an old short fat bloke.

[F5 Dave]

Is that a genuine wire wheel? The carbs aren't CVs so maybe. Pity about the pipes.

I had a 750 at 19 (a slow version of the 1000 or more common1100) . Fitted just fine.rode to Auckland from Welly no problem.

When I started to be able to push it even a knoɓer like me could feel it flexing. They were born brave to race them.

Zero desire to have one again especially with more weight and power.

[husaberg]

There is a page about them on the forrum somewhere. Even Ugly has its own following almost like a cult..... like the one year cr125 witht he helmet front number plate , or midget porn.
Black pipe nz own homologation special is obviously a rare bike, but outside of that Meh.. Stormtrooper helmet enthusiasts
Wheels are easy enough to fake GN front thub ,amongst many others, the rear was a GS1000? or similar with different rims.

[jellywrestler]

There is a page about them on the forrum somewhere. Even Ugly has its own following almost like a cult..... like the one year cr125 witht he helmet front number plate , or midget porn.
Black pipe nz own homologation special is obviously a rare bike, but outside of that Meh.. Stormtrooper helmet enthusiasts
Wheels are easy enough to fake GN front thub amongst many others, the rear was a GS1000? or similar with different rims.

I saw one yesterday called a wire wheeler black piper, they aren't, they are wire wheelers, all 4 valve katanas of that era had black chrome pipes, the previous GSX were known as the black piper as they altered the muffler internals and didn't want to re chrome them so painted them, that was the normal style GSX

[husaberg]

I saw one yesterday called a wire wheeler black piper, they aren't, they are wire wheelers, all 4 valve katanas of that era had black chrome pipes, the previous GSX were known as the black piper as they altered the muffler internals and didn't want to re chrome them so painted them, that was the normal style GSX
Was one like a 1000 4 valver for class rules instead of 1100 or was tha elsewhere TBH i just assumed they added a local pipe as it was up higher or something? added the spoked wherls as the alloys mags were a bit skinny on the current modeli guess i could google it but what's the fun in that..

[jellywrestler]

Was one like a 1000 4 valver for class rules instead of 1100 or was tha elsewhere TBH i just assumed they added a local pipe as it was up higher or something? added the spoked wherls as the alloys mags were a bit skinny on the current modeli guess i could google it but what's the fun in that..

aussie later on had a 1000cc limit for proddie racing, not here

[husaberg]

aussie later on had a 1000cc limit for proddie racing, not here

I think I'm thinking yanks version, this one keeps says gs and is in MPH so i assume Yanks, never heard of the mag though?

https://www.hotrod.com/features/up-on-two-wheels-suzuki-1000s-katana-december-1981-982-1180-89-1

What I would be thinking is maybe from Cycle or cycle world...

first google
https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1981/11/1/suzuki-gs1000s-katana

i remember Greg writting something about the us obsession with calling all of them GS's

[jellywrestler]

Is that a genuine wire wheel? .

they are not worth shit to a lot of people as the guy who has the engine numbers won't publish them so who wants to hand over real money when it's not possible to verify it ????
One minute he's telling people he's sold one for huge money next he still has the bike and is still making them out of standard bikes,
The cheating that went on in the era is still going on.

[HenryDorsetCase]

On my arsebook feed. Who's in? Can I get a discount?

[F5 Dave]

1/4 mil + stock. Well there's an open statement.

Doesn't say if any franchise so obviously not.
Must be an independent.

Stock aside. What are you getting for 250k? How much goodwill is it worth rather than just start fresh?

[jellywrestler]

This guy was on facebook trying to find out whether this was one of Robert Holdens bikes, the owner of Roberts bike chimed in, clearly said it was never anything like this, is not the bike, he didn't ride other 125's (he was Roberts best mate) as did some others from the time; and yet it seems the guy still has someone that will verify it's Roberts bike

Quite fraudulent in reality

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5468125662?bof=cQPMb0Cn

[F5 Dave]

If it sells for good money I should tell a mate I saw this weekend. He can put his 250 up for sale.
Well that's a bit dubious as well as I think it was Kevin that transplant the engine into the ally frame, but if it works.
Then we just need a 500.
Cough, or 550 that Warren had, but that met with some bad behavior. Like the hill climb at CC etc.

[jellywrestler]

If it sells for good money I should tell a mate I saw this weekend. He can put his 250 up for sale.
Well that's a bit dubious as well as I think it was Kevin that transplant the engine into the ally frame, but if it works.
Then we just need a 500.
Cough, or 550 that Warren had, but that met with some bad behavior. Like the hill climb at CC etc.

Warrens restored that bike in race trim, came to me for photos to replicate it, that's not a five min job by the time they surfaced he'd got impatient and did it his way, i'd explained the time frame and why too

[jellywrestler]

If it sells for good money I should tell a mate I saw this weekend. He can put his 250 up for sale.
Well that's a bit dubious as well as I think it was Kevin that transplant the engine into the ally frame, but if it works.
Then we just need a 500.
Cough, or 550 that Warren had, but that met with some bad behavior. Like the hill climb at CC etc.

which motor and which ally frame?

[F5 Dave]

256 Rotax tandem 250 in an aussie square tube GP frame like an RG. Think it was something like A&E, nah that's not right. I did talk to one of the builders to try date it. Sadly it came out as not before 1983 which was a shame as not a pre82. Engine was legal. Think it was an an Armstrong when RH raced it.
Was In an NZ racing book I had with Kevin on it on grid. Gave book to Matt. Ziffle had one too. Not sure what frame he had.
Not much Bears up this way. Didn't end up buying it as I'd planned.

[husaberg]

256 Rotax tandem 250 in an aussie square tube GP frame like an RG. Think it was something like A&E, nah that's not right. I did talk to one of the builders to try date it. Sadly it came out as not before 1983 which was a shame as not a pre82. Engine was legal. Think it was an an Armstrong when RH raced it.
Was In an NZ racing book I had with Kevin on it on grid. Gave book to Matt. Ziffle had one too. Not sure what frame he had.
Not much Bears up this way. Didn't end up buying it as I'd planned.
......................

So I think Aussies run pre 80 rather than pre 82 like we do. I was investigating a mates bike & I think is was an Aussie P&R in square section ally, but I rang them & sadly it was 83. Originally designed for a TZ250/350 it was fitted with a 256 Rotax, pity, one year crosses the line from competitive in 82 to nowhere in 89 a less covered class.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah that's the one. A&E was a funnier name on reflection.

[jellywrestler]

256 Rotax tandem 250 in an aussie square tube GP frame like an RG. Think it was something like A&E, nah that's not right. I did talk to one of the builders to try date it. Sadly it came out as not before 1983 which was a shame as not a pre82. Engine was legal. Think it was an an Armstrong when RH raced it.
Was In an NZ racing book I had with Kevin on it on grid. Gave book to Matt. Ziffle had one too. Not sure what frame he had.
Not much Bears up this way. Didn't end up buying it as I'd planned.

McIntosh Rotax, it's well gone, frame went to the tip

[F5 Dave]

Pity no class for it. That said tyres were an issue unless you ran road. Had 16s but Marvic 17s, just they are too narrow for slicks available. Chain too close to put bigger wheels vs frame if you spaced it.
Started real easy if you had a helper.
But woe and betide rotary valve would load up if a solitary muppet in leathers didn't get it up to speed before jump and dump.
Took it to a track day and was a panting mess as I just made pit shute in time. Figured that was end for me not having a band of helping hands at travel meetings.
Of course later I saw the roller starts people were building.
Anyway, another time another place.

[HenryDorsetCase]

McIntosh Rotax, it's well gone, frame went to the tip

Ken's probably still got the jig, though?

[F5 Dave]

20 years ago P&R still had the jig for the ally one i think he said and that was a cute little thing. Designed for TZs but could fit a Rotax with some adapting.

[husaberg]

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/145224-Race-chassis?p=1130860543#post1130860543

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/145224-Race-chassis?p=1130860543#post1130860543

You are a legend! Really interesting.

[jellywrestler]

Ken's probably still got the jig, though?

he doesn't throw out very much so maybe

[dangerous]

what the fuck is this twat up to... taken over a week to load two pointless photos... this is worse than a wire wheel add

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5477368141

[jellywrestler]

what the fuck is this twat up to... taken over a week to load two pointless photos... this is worse than a wire wheel add

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5477368141


A good example of why not to shake a baby.....
It would be interesting to see what verification he has, apart from his own word, Somebodies word is not really what high end investors either want or will accept as evidence.....

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_gsx1100s_katana%2090.htm

[jellywrestler]

what the fuck is this twat up to... taken over a week to load two pointless photos... this is worse than a wire wheel add

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5477368141

Actually this guys been having his own dreams on tm for a while, a couple of months ago he saw i was watchlisting a $35 item, so he fixed price offered it to me for $35000, he relisted, i hadn't removed it from my list, so again it expired and he offered them to me for $350000, so i pressed the buy button and trademe debited his account of a large pile of their commission, he couldn't list, he cried, he was only having a joke was his excuse, same as mine.....
turns out you can still watchlist and get FPO's when blacklisted.



Why not ask him about the 1000 models produced elsewhere, it would have been a big job tooling up to do just 200 bikes, and not 1000 like the article claims

[F5 Dave]

Hmm, other listings a few Kat parts, a selection of torana biscuit boxes and a crock of shit pot. Taupo.
It's surely Karanman!

[jellywrestler]

Hmm, other listings a few Kat parts, a selection of torana biscuit boxes and a crock of shit pot. Taupo.
It's surely Karanman!

no it's Carl Coleman, Rods stepson from suzuki New Zealand

[husaberg]

Hmm, other listings a few Kat parts, a selection of torana biscuit boxes and a crock of shit pot. Taupo.
It's surely Karanman!

nah can't be, as no Watchtower and gay porn mags....

This would be a cool pitbike
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5476448794

[dangerous]

no it's Carl Coleman, Rods stepson from suzuki New Zealand

well... you tell carl for me that I had a grey not silver Kat... was the JDM colour

[F5 Dave]

nah can't be, as no Watchtower and gay porn mags....

This would be a cool pitbike
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5476448794

I always wanted one of those as a kid.
Actually that's not true. I wasn't even aware that such a thing existed in the suburbs. As we were pushing our bicycles up a steep long hill a mate described such a contraption that was made for kids. Imagine, a motorcycle for kids!
Wondered what it would look like. Wouldn't have to push up hills ever again. Ahh. . .

[husaberg]

I always wanted one of those as a kid.
Actually that's not true. I wasn't even aware that such a thing existed in the suburbs. As we were pushing our bicycles up a steep long hill a mate described such a contraption that was made for kids. Imagine, a motorcycle for kids!
Wondered what it would look like. Wouldn't have to push up hills ever again. Ahh. . .

We had a rm80 i think its was 78, but it never ran I think Dad said he couldn't get a piston or rings for it, so we used to tow about a fuji rabbit with our pushbikes taking turns to ride it...
i had to settle for c50 then a xl100s.

[pete376403]

Built my own (a bit much to call it a mini bike) Briggs and Stratton motor, modified small bicycle frame, wheel barrow wheels, direct drive. On reflection it was a piece of shit, but kept me out of trouble.

[F5 Dave]

This does look great with a cool 70s personification.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5497260473

But RD400s have shot up to 7 maybe $8000. This hasn't run for years, they can degrade crankseals when not run. So why is this worth more than double an RD? :shit:

[Laava]

Only worth what someone is happy to pay…

[pete376403]

This does look great with a cool 70s personification.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5497260473

But RD400s have shot up to 7 maybe $8000. This hasn't run for years, they can degrade crankseals when not run. So why is this worth more than double an RD? :shit:

If it was the first model with the 4LS front brake, maybe. Not that the drum was better than the disk, but looked far cooler.

[jim.cox]

So why is this worth more than double an RD?


Because its twice as shitty - more weight, more smoke, less handling

[dangerous]

This does look great with a cool 70s personification.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/5497260473

But RD400s have shot up to 7 maybe $8000. This hasn't run for years, they can degrade crankseals when not run. So why is this worth more than double an RD? :shit:

yip.... why the fuck do people thing a bike thats ben "dry stored" is worth more than one thats been used... particular with a stroker, turn it over after sitting and those all so importent oil and air seals tear apart and BOOM... shit im working on a MVf4 thats sat for 7yrs... fucking thing finely got it going after a full inj rebuild and a 1100 sport 13 yrs sitting swing arm wheel bearings al seized... RIDE THE FUKERS

however I do love the GTs...keep ya RD mate, the 380 the same shop is selling with the chambers gives me a hard on...356603 356604

[F5 Dave]

This for 12 grand and it's got 50k on the clock?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5477548628

Fuk off. there is a lot you can buy for 12k and that ain't collectable.

[F5 Dave]

This looks very good condition.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5477542375

But why would you spend that much on an old trailbike?

I mean they weren't very good and a PE250 would clean one up and leave it's owner less wrecked if you took it into anything difficult.

[Kickaha]

If it was the first model with the 4LS front brake, maybe. Not that the drum was better than the disk, but looked far cooler.

I had one of those GT550J, in tests of the J vs K the drum out performed the later disc for about 3 consecutive hard stops, sold it for $600 about 75% rebuilt 27 years ago


This does look great with a cool 70s personification.

They're quite nice and smooth to ride given the limitations of the bikes from that period


This looks very good condition.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5477542375

But why would you spend that much on an old trailbike?


A year ago I bought an XR250A, the guy selling it had a XR500A for sale for $6500 looking well used but regoed and wof, it wouldn't have taken another 11k to have it looking like that one

[F5 Dave]

Actually I had an XR250A when I was 17.
It was pretty terrible. Top heavy and 23" wheel tended to sledge. I rode it offroad once and was put off the idea. OK I was skinny and it was too heavy, actually that's kinda the point.

[pritch]

This for 12 grand and it's got 50k on the clock?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5477548628

Fuk off. there is a lot you can buy for 12k and that ain't collectable.

That price does seem optimistic but at 50,000Ks that thing is barely run in.



This looks very good condition.


A different approach to the usual pussy on the seat pic.

[F5 Dave]

The engine will be fine but probably due the expensive service. The suspension will be due a service or it will start to be a bit baggy and nobody bothers doing this. Sell and someone else problem. Chain and brakes worn by then.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The engine will be fine but probably due the expensive service. The suspension will be due a service or it will start to be a bit baggy and nobody bothers doing this. Sell and someone else problem. Chain and brakes worn by then. $5k to spend easy

[F5 Dave]

A fine practical if slightly vanilla motorsickle.

But not going to be an appreciating Classic, it's just not.

[Kickaha]

Actually I had an XR250A when I was 17.
It was pretty terrible. Top heavy and 23" wheel tended to sledge. I rode it offroad once and was put off the idea. OK I was skinny and it was too heavy, actually that's kinda the point.

Well if you ever come down for a ride you'll be able to relive your youth

[F5 Dave]

To do that I only need to act awkward have no sex and have terrible taste in music, food and hair (mullet before it was called that and everyone else had flock of seagulls fringes.

[husaberg]

A fine practical if slightly vanilla motorsickle.

But not going to be an appreciating Classic, it's just not.

A third the price and a better bike
Oh wow that light compared to the 250 version is ugly.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5495213148
Still 2 g over priced.
The 350 was well regarded in its day tbh i have never ridden one. Or even seen one in 20 years
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/5485410587

[F5 Dave]

Didn't the 350 crack heads between the valves?

200s were cute. I rode a mate's off my kdx and was shocked how bad the front suspension was and how mind alteringly fast it was. Not really. It was slow as a Monday afternoon when you realise Friday is a week away, probably longer.:pinch:

[husaberg]

Didn't the 350 crack heads between the valves?

200s were cute. I rode a mate's off my kdx and was shocked how bad the front suspension was and how mind alteringly fast it was. Not really. It was slow as a Monday afternoon when you realise Friday is a week away, probably longer.:pinch:

Not sure re the 350's, i thought they were more an xr500 engine made smallerererer.
The 200 were pretty well balanced, not rip ya arms out ,open country, but decent on the twisties. Far better than some of their parts

[jellywrestler]

Not sure re the 350's, i thought they were more an xr500 engine made smallerererer.
The 200 were pretty well balanced, not rip ya arms out ,open country, but decent on the twisties.

weren't the 350's radial heads that honda pretended to have invented despite Rudge doing the same in i think 1924?

[husaberg]

weren't the 350's radial heads that honda pretended to have invented despite Rudge doing the same in i think 1924?

That one was ,early ones were pentroof... rudge used to avoid the cracking with iron and likely bronze heads....
The pushrods made the valve arrangement easier, pretty sure not aoll v4 were radial only the better ones. the low bmep and the 6.5:1 comp would have helped longierty too.

[jim.cox]

Price is a little optimistic - but it does look fantastic - Yes please! I'd tap that.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/ducati/listing/5515588890

[F5 Dave]

Ahh he's made his own retro, I was thinking Vellachi (sp) frame? No hold on. . . Ahh!

Depending on the close up attention to detail and I don't think that is bad value if you want something that looks cool but usable. Certainly better than the factory efforts at retro bikes.

[BMWST?]

I like the look of that.A million times better than some of the stuff seen in this thread

[Kickaha]

Price is a little optimistic - but it does look fantastic - Yes please! I'd tap that.

Rubber bands to drive the cams instead of proper bevel gears ? It'll never catch on

[F5 Dave]

You're right. My lathe uses proper leather belts.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/kawasaki/listing/5475502565

This would be fun, right?

[F5 Dave]

Weeell. It could be. They vibrate like all fuckery which is one thing in bursts of throttle on the dirt, another wound out on tarmac. Also the mounting in the space for a 4 cylinder engine would leave it tied in the middle with long spacers. An environment worse unless you make a sturdy cradle. Those tie rods to the head make me think otherwise.

I think he's ridden it once briefly and thought, holy hell this thing is uncontrollable and uncomfortable in equal measures.

[SaferRides]

I had one of those GT550J, in tests of the J vs K the drum out performed the later disc for about 3 consecutive hard stops, sold it for $600 about 75% rebuilt 27 years ago.

I had an L, they had different exhausts to improve ground clearance. It was a fun bike, more user friendly than the Kawi triples and fast enough.

A friend had a T500 with the drum brake. Yes, they stopped well if it was set up right but it didn't stay that way for long.



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[sugilite]

Not sure re the 350's, i thought they were more an xr500 engine made smallerererer.
The 200 were pretty well balanced, not rip ya arms out ,open country, but decent on the twisties. Far better than some of their parts
I Had a XR200RD. Great little bike, pretty sure Honda nabbed the suspension springs from bic pens.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/kawasaki/listing/5475502565

This would be fun, right?


Weeell. It could be. They vibrate like all fuckery which is one thing in bursts of throttle on the dirt, another wound out on tarmac. Also the mounting in the space for a 4 cylinder engine would leave it tied in the middle with long spacers. An environment worse unless you make a sturdy cradle. Those tie rods to the head make me think otherwise.

I think he's ridden it once briefly and thought, holy hell this thing is uncontrollable and uncomfortable in equal measures.
I built an air cooled kx500 engined rgv250 framed F3 bike, well rather Damon of cycleworks fame built it for me. It needed a mild steel engine cradle due to vibration. The original alloy one did not even last 3 laps of Manfield before cracking lol
I took it to a round of the nats at Ruapuna, did poorly during Friday practice due to jetting issues. my mate Richard built an air box for it on the Friday night, and I put in the 2nd fastest time after Tony McMurdo on the Saturday, then lost 3rd gear due to a bent selector fork. After that I ran out of money, which was a shame as that bike showed real potential.

[pritch]

OK this isn't for sale optimistically or otherwise. This is to show what a cafe racer is supposed to look like. It may also be that hitherto mythical beast, a Harley that handles.

[BMWST?]

OK this isn't for sale optimistically or otherwise. This is to show what a cafe racer is supposed to look like. It may also be that hitherto mythical beast, a Harley that handles.
they could be cycle works mufflers too

[F5 Dave]

A Harleton?

[BMWST?]

A Harleton?
you spelt it wrong Harleyton

[F5 Dave]

I meant as in Harlot :psst: so Harloton would be better.

You spelt yours incorrectly too. I think you were going for HarleyTonne.

[dangerous]

you spelt it wrong Harleyton

1st ever harley to crack the ton!

it still looks like shit... no thought to the arse end what so ever...

OHHH and its NOT a HD engine... is it?

[dangerous]

a Harley that handles.

mate... I got a couple a harleys that handle... and a FUCKING attitude too...

[jellywrestler]

mate... I got a couple a harleys that handle... and a FUCKING attitude too...

they are no more a harley than the bike mentioned with the norton chassis

[dangerous]

they are no more a harley than the bike mentioned with the norton chassis lol 51% hd jw

[jellywrestler]

lol 51% hd jw

on paper maybe, but not made by harley,

[Laava]

This made me laugh!
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/handlebars-handlebar-parts/listing/5550266832
i asked if they would take $9500 but I am not holding my breath…

[dangerous]

on paper maybe, but not made by harley,

well actually it was made by HD in a HD factory even when the Rotax engines were used it was still HD but that did not go down so well, and even I say that aint no HD and we have 2 of them.
HD did not like the fact Buell made the engines go better than they could and 'they'... LOL did not like the sports rep the buell had either way the tubers were HD after the tuber no one slightly HD related wanted anything to do with them. But this is a debate that will never end.

[jellywrestler]

well actually it was made by HD in a HD factory even when the Rotax engines were used it was still HD but that did not go down so well, and even I say that aint no HD and we have 2 of them.
HD did not like the fact Buell made the engines go better than they could and 'they'... LOL did not like the sports rep the buell had either way the tubers were HD after the tuber no one slightly HD related wanted anything to do with them. But this is a debate that will never end.

i didn't know that, i still stand by what i said, norley and buell are the same, outside derived chassis. not as extrapolated as aermacchi harleys were

[F5 Dave]

What a piece of shit. Polish that turd as much as you want.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5559323081

Oh God. This loser wants 50k

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5559264222

[dangerous]

What a piece of shit. Polish that turd as much as you want.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5559323081
well... Dave maybe a bit harsh, its actually well built I dont mind it, spent 90K on it... ahhh thats a bit silly then aye, cos at the end of the day is a 1988 HD. 45K yeahhhh na... still dont tell no fuker but I like it.



Oh God. This loser wants 50k

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/5559264222
LOL Dave... its kinda pre war any harly still running from back thens worth every penny...


Why is this worth 16k? Mother fucking Jesus's arse christ.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/triumph/listing/5501953239

well... it would be if it was regesterd... actuall a gem in that condition and milage.

[F5 Dave]

Why is this worth 16k? Mother fucking Jesus's arse christ.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/triumph/listing/5501953239

[F5 Dave]

Be slower than one of your moto- gutless's

[dangerous]

Be slower than one of your moto- gutless's

ohhhh David... you arnt in the best frame of mind or mood tonight are ya... one sugests you ride a Gutless before you say anyyyyyy more... that is if you can handle it... DOH

[jellywrestler]

Why is this worth 16k? Mother fucking Jesus's arse christ.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/triumph/listing/5501953239

cause his gym buddies told him so?