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jellywrestler
26th April 2018, 18:14
Old mate is back.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1611879676.htm?rsqid=20a8a6a28fd74e9b841f6bb4d80b0 b36

way cheaper in aussie

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-1979-XR500/173285071861?hash=item2858985bf5:g:Bz0AAOSw3MpaqX3 8

Crasherfromwayback
26th April 2018, 18:28
Something weird about that trader.

I think the 'offers' in a earlier set of comments were piss-takes at his $10k original asking price.

Maybe his partner has said it must go and he wants to keep it - so over price it and act like a dickhead on the advert.


way cheaper in aussie

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-1979-XR500/173285071861?hash=item2858985bf5:g:Bz0AAOSw3MpaqX3 8

He's a fucking muppet eh.

Voltaire
26th April 2018, 19:37
What a fucking homo.


Especially when you consider the tosser reckons he's been offered 30k for it. Tui!!!If you didn't sell ya XR500 for 30k, you'd want bumming.

C'mon chaps...its Trade Me not Grinder.:laugh:

Crasherfromwayback
26th April 2018, 19:54
C'mon chaps...its Trade Me not Grinder.:laugh:

I dunno mate. I def think that cunt takes it in the the ass.

jasonu
27th April 2018, 02:18
I dunno mate. I def think that cunt takes it in the the ass.

If you put his dick in your mouth and it tastes like poo then he is definitely a homo.:niceone:

HenryDorsetCase
27th April 2018, 10:05
C'mon chaps...its Trade Me not Grinder.:laugh:

I dunno, man. I've been fucked in the arse way more often on tardme than grindr.

Drew
27th April 2018, 16:18
Nah. There's nothing wrong with being gay. That cunt is a fucken moron, and that ain't cool.

ellipsis
27th April 2018, 19:54
Nah. There's nothing wrong with being gay. That cunt is a fucken moron, and that ain't cool.

...I knew a boy who was a 'moron', when I was growing up...he lived a few houses up the road...he was 27 I think, but had the mind of a child...It's always made me think that the flippant tag of moron was a hell of a burden to hang around someones neck...an older couple in my town heard that I was good with morons and introduced me to their son...true shit... I never figured that I would be a good babysitter to a 27 and a 30+ year old child when I was not much out of being a child myself...I keep it more relevant to the issues these days when putting a moniker on twats...if you're not a good cunt, and they fail too, you are one of these...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MtuVBPwzstM" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>


...or a wanker...

Askor
27th April 2018, 20:13
Old mate is back.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1611879676.htm?rsqid=20a8a6a28fd74e9b841f6bb4d80b0 b36

Good thing he hasn't ridden it, the chain master link clip is on backwards

Crasherfromwayback
27th April 2018, 20:59
Nah. There's nothing wrong with being gay. That cunt is a fucken moron, and that ain't cool.

Agreeing with you twice in a week. Fuck me.

YellowDog
27th April 2018, 21:44
Old mate is back.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1611879676.htm?rsqid=20a8a6a28fd74e9b841f6bb4d80b0 b36

He's the 'HARAR HARAR' fellow isn't he.

It was on for $80k, the last time I looked.

He has had several of that model, so I doubt it is as unused as he states. Especially with stories about disconnecting the speedo for the film set.

Difficult to take him seriously. He should get someone more mature to help him out.

Crasherfromwayback
27th April 2018, 22:24
Difficult to take him seriously. He should get someone more mature to help him out.

He should just stay off the crack pipe. It's a fucking XR500.

jafagsx250
28th April 2018, 12:04
I have heard of an mc22 being put up for sale for 6000 bucks with 3 owners. Looks brand new. I don't think this is optimistic. Do you?

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tigertim20
28th April 2018, 15:41
I have heard of an mc22 being put up for sale for 6000 bucks with 3 owners. Looks brand new. I don't think this is optimistic. Do you?

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extremely optimistic

jafagsx250
28th April 2018, 15:43
extremely optimisticIt was bought for that though.... Bugger.

What is a realistic price

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tigertim20
28th April 2018, 16:40
It was bought for that though.... Bugger.

What is a realistic price

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probably around half that.

was it bought from a dealer?

jafagsx250
28th April 2018, 16:41
probably around half that.

was it bought from a dealer?Fuck.

Nah. Private sale with 13000 Kms on the clock

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T.W.R
28th April 2018, 17:22
I sold mine for 20k three years ago, 18-25k USD for one out of the USA

$11.5k in 95 wasn't to bad then by that figure then :facepalm: didn't have issues with parts back then either as it was sharing lots of bits with Phil Payne's RV1 Alchemy :yes:


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Yamaha-XS/152985017378?hash=item239e9e1c22:g:CVgAAOSwl8Ja20a Q&vxp=mtr

mmm indeed a 79 Midnight Special would've been interesting to see what the price was? There was a 81 in Aucks a year or so back low kms for $9.5k; but a 79 is more desirable as it's pre linked brake system

F5 Dave
28th April 2018, 21:47
I have heard of an mc22 being put up for sale for 6000 bucks with 3 owners. Looks brand new. I don't think this is optimistic. Do you?

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see, if it were a 21 or a 28. . . Maybe. But a shitbox foul stroke? Pah! No chance.

Mike.Gayner
29th April 2018, 11:01
Holy shit good luck buddy, you're going to need it:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1616012640.htm

ellipsis
29th April 2018, 11:05
Holy shit good luck buddy, you're going to need it:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1616012640.htm


...it looks like he lost a lot of parts on the way home...far too many numbers in that price for that fucking thing...

tigertim20
29th April 2018, 11:44
Fuck.

Nah. Private sale with 13000 Kms on the clock

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ouch.
pre-lams era they would often be listed for around that (6k) ut would most oftn change hands for more like 4k, or 4.5k for a mint one - though most agreed the prices on them were silly.

The post LAMS era has hammered them down to a more reasonable bracket. cosmetically rough ones start from 1500-2k now. theyre a fun bike, but when you look at what lams rides you can get for 4k, the 250 cbr/zxr/gsxr/fzr etc just dont really appeal anymore.

jafagsx250
29th April 2018, 12:06
ouch.
pre-lams era they would often be listed for around that (6k) ut would most oftn change hands for more like 4k, or 4.5k for a mint one - though most agreed the prices on them were silly.

The post LAMS era has hammered them down to a more reasonable bracket. cosmetically rough ones start from 1500-2k now. theyre a fun bike, but when you look at what lams rides you can get for 4k, the 250 cbr/zxr/gsxr/fzr etc just dont really appeal anymore.

Yup.

True. I have seen a lot of bike for the money for 4000 bucks. As long as you are comfortable with high kilometres then 250's don't have heaps going for them.

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pritch
29th April 2018, 12:31
probably around half that.



On the basis that it's worth what somebody will pay for it. It has proved to be worth double what you thought. :whistle:

jasonu
29th April 2018, 14:22
...it looks like he lost a lot of parts on the way home...far too many numbers in that price for that fucking thing...

Plus its a little on the ugly side,...:sick::sick::sick:

F5 Dave
29th April 2018, 21:09
And the not very appealing side. Fucked if anyone would pay 7 for that. Heck 4 might be pushing it (I'm assuming people have bad taste and might pay that for that 7 pinter)

WALRUS
30th April 2018, 10:15
I don't know if this has been posted here yet.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1610737397.htm?rsqid=160564ff42754e6d8960d0b714ea8 1bf

The styling isn't my cup of tea but hey, whatever.. I'm mainly interested in the photo of it with a massive pool of oil underneath it! Whether it was from this bike or not, you'd think they'd choose a different photo!

Scubbo
30th April 2018, 10:29
that is a hipsters wet dream :facepalm:

F5 Dave
30th April 2018, 13:07
Currently 52 on watch list.
What are we observing here? Some sort of Dreadful motorcycle as fashion accessory type thing?

Will there be another rash of crashes similar to the BornAgainBikers of the 90s/00s? Do we await the ACC backlash?

Certainly the trade won't make any money from these shitboxes or sell any protective gear. Aliexpress might make a dollar on ridiculous Baubles.
People will drift in, buy or build a mongrol, try look cool. Fail. Decide these things are rubbish and sell. Market saturates and tanks. TradeMe becomes full of these things.

Riot. Famine. Localised Warfare spreading to global decree to shave all mens beards unless for medical reasons with a note from Winston and a weekly tidy trim certificate.

So I guess some good will come of it.

husaberg
30th April 2018, 13:22
I don't know if this has been posted here yet.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1610737397.htm?rsqid=160564ff42754e6d8960d0b714ea8 1bf

The styling isn't my cup of tea but hey, whatever.. I'm mainly interested in the photo of it with a massive pool of oil underneath it! Whether it was from this bike or not, you'd think they'd choose a different photo!
Its likely petrol overflow from the carbs

Currently 52 on watch list.
What are we observing here? Some sort of Dreadful motorcycle as fashion accessory type thing?

Will there be another rash of crashes similar to the BornAgainBikers of the 90s/00s? Do we await the ACC backlash?

Certainly the trade won't make any money from these shitboxes or sell any protective gear. Aliexpress might make a dollar on ridiculous Baubles.
People will drift in, buy or build a mongrol, try look cool. Fail. Decide these things are rubbish and sell. Market saturates and tanks. TradeMe becomes full of these things.

Riot. Famine. Localised Warfare spreading to global decree to shave all mens beards unless for medical reasons with a note from Winston and a weekly tidy trim certificate.

So I guess some good will come of it.
Not my cup of tea but far better than most
i actually like the seat hump hoop i have never seen that done.
But somethings up with the forks and the length it looks like he may have lowered them but cutting off coils something, Something just looks wrong its almost like in some pics they have a neg castor effect.
I wonder if they were originally slightly offset axel to the front and he has swung them arround? no... they don't like they have any sag in the side stand pics at all

pritch
30th April 2018, 13:42
i actually like the seat hump hoop i have never seen that done.


You are more charitable than me. I just assumed he didn't know how to cover the hoop with aluminium or fibreglass.

husaberg
30th April 2018, 13:49
You are more charitable than me. I just assumed he didn't know how to cover the hoop with aluminium or fibreglass.
nah the taillight is inside it so i have to assume he meant it that way.
that said he could have carried on the whole 70's rice burner theme and covered it with rice paper.:bleh:

F5 Dave
30th April 2018, 18:08
Yes i did see that recessed tail light hoop thing. But like wearing your underpants on the outside of your trousers it doesn't make it a good idea.

husaberg
30th April 2018, 18:46
Yes i did see that recessed tail light hoop thing. But like wearing your underpants on the outside of your trousers it doesn't make it a good idea.

Possibly but in this case the taillight follows the contours of the hump pipe work. So he gets 10 house points for that.
He also gets an extra point for the choke knob in the steering head stem.
336475
He loses points for the seat foam being to thick and being the same height as the faux seat hump.
Some more for the rear brake arm being set at 1 oclock.
I have no idea what the hole in the seat is for though, Glory?
the tackiest part other than the overuse of MV and Beneilli tape on the Fork uppers and footrests is the ammo case wtf is that for.

ellipsis
30th April 2018, 19:18
Possibly but in this case the taillight follows the contours of the hump pipe work. So he gets 10 house points for that.
He also gets an extra point for the choke knob in the steering head stem.
336475
He loses points for the seat foam being to thick and being the same height as the faux seat hump.
Some more for the rear brake arm being set at 1 oclock.
I have no idea what the hole in the seat is for though, Glory?
the tackiest part other than the overuse of MV and Beneilli tape on the Fork uppers and footrests is the ammo case wtf is that for.


...I've been riding shit for years...I'd be happy to use that as conveyance and look like a cool dude or a wank, wherever, or whatever is necessary...that's all any motive transport is...98% of my bikes which could never be ridden on a road again are for trying to convey me from point A to point B quicker than other bikes, however many times that takes...they are all shit too...whatever it takes...it's a Honda too, there's 10 points...

Voltaire
30th April 2018, 19:26
Sideplate Ammobox will be along soon to say its want he wanted when a 16 year old Galant smasher.:drool:

Grumph
30th April 2018, 19:36
Christ that's ugly. The hole in the seat is for access to the jesus screw which holds front of seat and rear of tank down. Most would simply peel back padding for access but he's gone the (w)hole hog. No points from me for the tail. He simply hasn't known how to make and upholster a proper hump.

If I had to, I'd only ride it in the dark.....briefly.

sidecar bob
30th April 2018, 19:42
Sideplate Ammobox will be along soon to say its want he wanted when a 16 year old Galant smasher.:drool:

Yeah nah, that thing is gay & I will never own a Honda with com stars.

Grumph
30th April 2018, 19:49
Yeah nah, that thing is gay & I will never own a Honda with com stars.

Is this where Husa posts a pic of the TTF1 HRC 16V 1000 ? As ridden by Joey, Grantie and Phil Read - and featuring comstars....

husaberg
30th April 2018, 19:49
Yeah nah, that thing is gay & I will never own a Honda with com stars.

http://www.caferacer.net/forum/attachments/general/7219d1401259800-i-bought-real-bike-honda-cb1100ra.jpg (http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiKs6ucweHaAhVIu7wKHdgoD98QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.caferacer.net%2Fforum%2Fgener al%2F23123-i-bought-real-bike-3.html&psig=AOvVaw10m-EZNJBeKIq2VvDoNzMn&ust=1525160893038466)
https://i0.wp.com/www.bike-urious.com/wp-content/uploads/Honda-CX500-Turbo-Right-Side.jpg?fit=881%2C581
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Honda_1982_NS500_in_the_Honda_Collection_Hall.JPG/1200px-Honda_1982_NS500_in_the_Honda_Collection_Hall.JPG (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjp7JmDwuHaAhVByrwKHS2WAWYQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHonda_ NS500&psig=AOvVaw0pC6t2S2PbwMrgoC00VwWs&ust=1525161108966672)https://mcn-images.bauersecure.com/PageFiles/556161/1000x750/04.jpg (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj0jIaawuHaAhXCxLwKHd-IDTUQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorcyclenews.com%2Fsport%2 Fmotogp%2F2015%2Fnovember%2Fmcn-plus---nr500-honda-failure%2F&psig=AOvVaw1A7hDMu7JpwGx0b0wHYRfq&ust=1525161152154043)http://www.mcnews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1985-Honda-NSR500-Freddie-Spencer-03.jpg (http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwitw8SzwuHaAhVIUbwKHctFAjYQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcnews.com.au%2Ffreddie-spencer-1985-nsr500-championship-winner%2F&psig=AOvVaw0WjLowf8gEIKV7TPMGPhoZ&ust=1525161198094837)https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=243645&d=1311850583

...I've been riding shit for years...I'd be happy to use that as conveyance and look like a cool dude or a wank, wherever, or whatever is necessary...that's all any motive transport is...98% of my bikes which could never be ridden on a road again are for trying to convey me from point A to point B quicker than other bikes, however many times that takes...they are all shit too...whatever it takes...it's a Honda too, there's 10 points...
That's pretty profound Gin?

Is this where Husa posts a pic of the TTF1 HRC 16V 1000 ? As ridden by Joey, Grantie and Phil Read - and featuring comstars....
RSC1000? FWS1000
I missed that one. what was the 860cc ish V4 thing that had at Daytona in about 83
http://www.pianetariders.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/mick-grants-honda-britain.jpg (http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwil7vjCxeHaAhWCf7wKHQQgDxkQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pianetariders.it%2Fhonda%2Fho nda-rsc-1000-la-regina-dellisola%2F36732&psig=AOvVaw3I56VnqSTuBmNJvcDPZRiG&ust=1525162046763909)https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1145/3174466250_78c1bbaa2c_z.jpg?zz=1 (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjvubDHxeHaAhUDgbwKHbYMCvAQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F535594 29%40N00%2F3174466250&psig=AOvVaw3I56VnqSTuBmNJvcDPZRiG&ust=1525162046763909)

HenryDorsetCase
30th April 2018, 20:07
The 1983 NS500R ridden by F. Spencer to his first world championship is the best looking racing motorcycle ever made, narrowly eclipsing the Manx Norton and the Honda RC166. There, I said it. Honorable fourth for the Britten

AllanB
30th April 2018, 20:30
The 1983 NS500R ridden by F. Spencer to his first world championship is the best looking racing motorcycle ever made,

Shit - big call. I reckon you need to start a new thread on that very subject. With pictures of course ... mmmmmmm pictures.

husaberg
30th April 2018, 20:42
Shit - big call. I reckon you need to start a new thread on that very subject. With pictures of course ... mmmmmmm pictures.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4861
No sound for the 3 but here is next years 4
http://world.honda.com/MotoGP/history/NSR500/ringtones/index.html

The 1983 NS500R ridden by F. Spencer to his first world championship is the best looking racing motorcycle ever made, narrowly eclipsing the Manx Norton and the Honda RC166. There, I said it. Honorable fourth for the Britten

heres the six
http://world.honda.com/MotoGP/history/RC166/index.html

jellywrestler
30th April 2018, 20:49
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1618021775.htm?rsqid=41d00a904083401fbaa6b3a521216 37b

never in a million years did i expect to see a CX500 with a racing number on it....

husaberg
30th April 2018, 20:51
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1618021775.htm?rsqid=41d00a904083401fbaa6b3a521216 37b

never in a million years did i expect to see a CX500 with a racing number on it....

AMA Dirt track.

1981: THE 'NS750': Probably the strangest development of a modern era road motorcycle for competition purposes, the NS750 used the venerable CX500 twin 'shaftie' as the the donor motorcycle engine. The engine was turned through 90 degrees in the frame to allow for chain drive to the rear wheel. Incredibly Freddie Spencer competed on this motorcycle in AMA dirt track racing.
The staggering part of the 'design' was the placement of the carburettors and air filters, hanging out in the airstream. Then there was the matter of two miniature radiators!
The 1981 NS750 engine was a 750cc v-twin, liquid cooled with four valve OHV arrangement.
http://www.deejay51.com/HONDA%20HALL/HONDAHALL%20NS750A.JPGhttp://www.deejay51.com/HONDA%20HALL/HONDAHALL%20NS750B.JPG
http://www.deejay51.com/honda_racebikes_pg_7.htm

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=5041

F5 Dave
30th April 2018, 21:05
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1618021775.htm?rsqid=41d00a904083401fbaa6b3a521216 37b

never in a million years did i expect to see a CX500 with a racing number on it....
Oohh Gawd that is ugly.
to be fair it doesn't have a number. . . Just a place for it.

pritch
30th April 2018, 21:09
Oohh Gawd that is ugly.
to be fair it doesn't have a number. . . Just a place for it.

Lok at the tyres. It's a MotoX bike? :whistle:

sidecar bob
30th April 2018, 21:30
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1618021775.htm?rsqid=41d00a904083401fbaa6b3a521216 37b

never in a million years did i expect to see a CX500 with a racing number on it....

You've just given me a fantastic idea for a pre '82 junior race bike build.

T.W.R
30th April 2018, 21:43
Lok at the tyres. It's a MotoX bike? :whistle:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69343&d=1188376082

YellowDog
30th April 2018, 22:15
Anyone know how the Matchless G9 is different to the others?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1616050805

Looking at this for a friend and was thinking $6.5, but most of the essential stuff seems to have been done.

jellywrestler
30th April 2018, 23:12
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1618021775.htm?rsqid=41d00a904083401fbaa6b3a521216 37b

never in a million years did i expect to see a CX500 with a racing number on it....

seen those dirt trackers, just taking the piss, they were a great bike, for a long time i wanted a cx650 euro figuring spec wise they had longevity and i liked the motor set up, but as time went on other shit got betterer and i never got around to getting one.
i did have a turbo for a while, never liked it though...

jasonu
1st May 2018, 02:22
Dreaming or not?
Could be another 'just because it is old doesn't make it valuable' or???
https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1979-honda-cb750/6575639304.html

Grumph
1st May 2018, 05:49
You've just given me a fantastic idea for a pre '82 junior race bike build.

Not an original idea. An Aermacchi customer of mine in Adelaide was building one last time I spoke to him about 3 years ago...I of course ridiculed it but he said he really liked the heads and could see some good HP coming. His target weight was, I thought, optimistic....

malcy25
1st May 2018, 08:22
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1618021775.htm?rsqid=41d00a904083401fbaa6b3a521216 37b

never in a million years did i expect to see a CX500 with a racing number on it....

Ask V Sharpe esq about the 1 hour endurance race at Puke he won on one.....

I need to also find a picture of the one that used to frequent Phillip Island classic meeting each year that used to sound like a low flying biplane as it went past!

malcy25
1st May 2018, 08:25
You've just given me a fantastic idea for a pre '82 junior race bike build.


Dooo eeet!

sidecar bob
1st May 2018, 08:36
Dooo eeet!

I will have a bigger fish to fry shortly. :niceone:
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/125459-GSXR400-1135-hybrid-race-bike-80s?p=1131096420#post1131096420

Voltaire
1st May 2018, 08:42
You've just given me a fantastic idea for a pre '82 junior race bike build.

Your international sponsor would be keen.

http://baggoracing.weebly.com/

http://baggoracing.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/9/9/12994655/4442741_orig.jpg

sidecar bob
1st May 2018, 09:15
Your international sponsor would be keen.


You mean my employer?:niceone:

Paul in NZ
1st May 2018, 10:56
Anyone know how the Matchless G9 is different to the others?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1616050805

Looking at this for a friend and was thinking $6.5, but most of the essential stuff seems to have been done.

How do you mean different to the others??? The G9 is the original twin at 500cc. Introduced post war, 1948 or something it was pretty well identical to the AJS Model 20 other than colour and trim. ie mufflers and badges n stuff. Solid but uninspiring bikes that always looked a little more 'vintage' than the same year Triumph Twins and never command the same $$

The motor grew in size to 600cc, 650cc and even a very rare 750cc version

The AJS/Matchless owners club has always been very active and I'd say that's about all I'd pay for it... Chroming the tank assumes no dents and bog under the paint which is highly unlikely not to mention expensive

pritch
1st May 2018, 11:46
Dreaming or not?
Could be another 'just because it is old doesn't make it valuable' or???
https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1979-honda-cb750/6575639304.html

Compared to those earlier Brit ones that looks to be a nice one for a nice price.

HenryDorsetCase
1st May 2018, 11:57
Dreaming or not?
Could be another 'just because it is old doesn't make it valuable' or???
https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1979-honda-cb750/6575639304.html

That is gorgeous!

jasonu
2nd May 2018, 17:21
Not unreasonable at all
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Suzuki-GS/183200011555?hash=item2aa7925523:g:PDUAAOSwERRa4fR-&vxp=mtr

Another oldie
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Suzuki-gs1100/323227034028?hash=item4b41d521ac:g:bzkAAOSwkQxa2KW m&vxp=mtr

T.W.R
2nd May 2018, 17:39
Not unreasonable at all
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Suzuki-GS/183200011555?hash=item2aa7925523:g:PDUAAOSwERRa4fR-&vxp=mtr

One has been advertised on TM recently as a US purchase in transit to NZ for $9995 got plenty of interest but nothing concrete towards a purchase :msn-wink:



Another oldie
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Suzuki-gs1100/323227034028?hash=item4b41d521ac:g:bzkAAOSwkQxa2KW m&vxp=mtr

Similar one sold 2wks back on TM for just over $2k...89thou kms but not as much fruit on it
There was another one advertised in Kaiapoi for $4.5k but wasn't very tidy though

T.W.R
2nd May 2018, 18:36
:killingme quality upholstery and all :facepalm:


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620078679.htm?rsqid=85d4541b0e464276bbc1bb28b226a f37

Grumph
2nd May 2018, 19:19
There was another one advertised in Kaiapoi for $4.5k but wasn't very tidy though

It was however, mechanically very sound - and it sold.

Laava
2nd May 2018, 19:34
:killingme quality upholstery and all :facepalm:


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620078679.htm?rsqid=85d4541b0e464276bbc1bb28b226a f37

So, Green is army spec now? Like Kermit the frog?

Scubbo
2nd May 2018, 20:21
:killingme quality upholstery and all :facepalm:


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620078679.htm?rsqid=85d4541b0e464276bbc1bb28b226a f37


haha looks like he just folded his jacket and put it on the back of the bike :P QUARERTY

F5 Dave
2nd May 2018, 20:24
. . But having two bikes and no car is not very practical. . .



Oh boo fuckn hoo

T.W.R
2nd May 2018, 21:26
It was however, mechanically very sound - and it sold.

It read OK in the ad but cosmetically it wasn't that flash, if it was just something to ride it'd be alright but it's at that age where it deserves a bit more respect than that and had good bones to restore...hopefully who ever brought it gives it a bit of time instead of killing it


So, Green is army spec now? Like Kermit the frog?

Used to get ones like all stripped down for $50 and have block races :pinch: one can dulux overhaul and she's all good


haha looks like he just folded his jacket and put it on the back of the bike :P QUARERTY

looks like he used industrial ground sheeting and a staple gun ;)

Ocean1
3rd May 2018, 07:48
:killingme quality upholstery and all :facepalm:


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620078679.htm?rsqid=85d4541b0e464276bbc1bb28b226a f37

I heard about a Top Gear show that tried to kill one, throwing it off buildings, setting it on fire etc. Not sure if they succeeded but apparently they were impressed.

T.W.R
3rd May 2018, 09:45
I heard about a Top Gear show that tried to kill one, throwing it off buildings, setting it on fire etc. Not sure if they succeeded but apparently they were impressed.

Discovery Channel & Charlie Boorman ;)


https://youtu.be/aaeKrqJJqm0

Voltaire
3rd May 2018, 12:07
Bad Ass on a Budget...


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620078679.htm?rsqid=52b806ccff19440b9c89c6fb92414 8ea



https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/782203406.jpg

jasonu
3rd May 2018, 15:41
Not even a dry clutch
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-Suzuki-GSX-R/123111355952?hash=item1caa023630:g:KTQAAOSwTORa6g-p&vxp=mtr

Crasherfromwayback
3rd May 2018, 17:33
Not even a dry clutch
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-Suzuki-GSX-R/123111355952?hash=item1caa023630:g:KTQAAOSwTORa6g-p&vxp=mtr

A pile of puss compared to an OW or RC30.

Addo007
3rd May 2018, 21:39
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-1621388841.htm?rsqid=d28234c7802145b393cf14daf3358 e29

Asking $14500 for a second hand v-strom 250 that retails for $8495

AllanB
3rd May 2018, 21:49
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-1621388841.htm?rsqid=d28234c7802145b393cf14daf3358 e29

Asking $14500 for a second hand v-strom 250 that retails for $8495


Fucks sake, what's wrong with people? How could he seriously think he will get that for it?

F5 Dave
4th May 2018, 07:55
I'e never seen one of these before. I wish to never again.
Good luck bud you'll need it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620040033.htm?rsqid=842c59339099415f90596edfb7087 ac9

Dadpole
4th May 2018, 08:02
Thanks for that F5 Dave. Now I won't need to get breakfast.

It is a new one for me too and a quick look around on the 'net produced this gem. "The Honda Steed VLS 400 is a motorcycle produced in 1997 which integrated multiple advanced features such as the water cooled 4-stroke engine and the chain final drive."

Cutting edge stuff indeed.

F5 Dave
4th May 2018, 08:04
2 grand is a lot of money for a rolling violation.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1612887646.htm?rsqid=34e5cbc9ce114a89bbba9f7af2346 890

But the q & as make you think some turkey will buy it. Unless that's just his mates accounts asking<_<

HenryDorsetCase
4th May 2018, 08:41
2 grand is a lot of money for a rolling violation.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1612887646.htm?rsqid=34e5cbc9ce114a89bbba9f7af2346 890

But the q & as make you think some turkey will buy it. Unless that's just his mates accounts asking<_<

it says "bike now sold"

all he really has to do is lift the rear of the tank a little and it would look 100x better. I dont like the flat seats with no guard but thats the style. a little over $2k - probably about right.

not to yours and my taste but thats OK

Crasherfromwayback
4th May 2018, 08:55
2 grand is a lot of money for a rolling violation.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1612887646.htm?rsqid=34e5cbc9ce114a89bbba9f7af2346 890

But the q & as make you think some turkey will buy it. Unless that's just his mates accounts asking<_<


it says "bike now sold"

all he really has to do is lift the rear of the tank a little and it would look 100x better. I dont like the flat seats with no guard but thats the style. a little over $2k - probably about right.

not to yours and my taste but thats OK

I wouldn't mind betting it's had a punch in the face at some stage. Looks too steep in the steering head.

F5 Dave
4th May 2018, 09:33
Well I'm off to ride my . . . erm, same bike as yours, for my day in Lieu around the Wairarapa. It will be more fun than either of those steamers it would be hard to argue disparetly (I mean more the bovine type of steamer rather than the golden age of powered vessel).

jellywrestler
4th May 2018, 09:44
Bad Ass on a Budget...


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620078679.htm?rsqid=52b806ccff19440b9c89c6fb92414 8ea



https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/782203406.jpg

this is what you get when every kid at school gets a certificate no matter how they fucked up....

WALRUS
4th May 2018, 10:32
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-1621388841.htm?rsqid=d28234c7802145b393cf14daf3358 e29

Asking $14500 for a second hand v-strom 250 that retails for $8495

Also, I just noticed there are some photos of the bike, and a handful of press photos of one the same colour..

Black Knight
4th May 2018, 10:58
I'e never seen one of these before. I wish to never again.
Good luck bud you'll need it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1620040033.htm?rsqid=842c59339099415f90596edfb7087 ac9

The seller of that bike is kinda weird-He had a RST Adventure 3 jacket on TM a while back yet the pic was an Adventure 2-got a bit shirty when I queried it

HenryDorsetCase
4th May 2018, 11:23
I wouldn't mind betting it's had a punch in the face at some stage. Looks too steep in the steering head.

forks shorter and longer shocks? the forks do look shorter but they arent up through the clamps. Probably just sacked it out like a jap shitter fucktard by cutting four inches off the springs.

Voltaire
4th May 2018, 11:56
this is what you get when every kid at school gets a certificate no matter how they fucked up....

I wish my youngest Son could build that instead of saving the world from Aliens.

F5 Dave
4th May 2018, 16:11
Mexicans?


:blink:

jasonu
4th May 2018, 16:59
Mexicans?


:blink:

We Americans prefer the term beaners.

F5 Dave
4th May 2018, 17:33
Build a wall.
Make Murika grate.

Voltaire
4th May 2018, 18:45
Build a wall.
Make Murika grate.

Our allies either grate or abrasive....

F5 Dave
4th May 2018, 19:20
Ahh
Perfect Day.

husaberg
4th May 2018, 19:49
forks shorter and longer shocks? the forks do look shorter but they arent up through the clamps. Probably just sacked it out like a jap shitter fucktard by cutting four inches off the springs.
Say what? In the first 2 pics they are 3-4 inches up through the clamps.

HenryDorsetCase
4th May 2018, 20:23
Say what? In the first 2 pics they are 3-4 inches up through the clamps.

clucking bell. You're right.. must've something something dark side.

anyway yeah. thats why the proportions dont look too far off.

AllanB
4th May 2018, 20:30
Mmmmm proportions.

If you are 50 plus you'll remember when the perfect proportions were 36 24 36 (inches).

Simpler times when catching a perv was not a social outcry.

To be fair I never had issues with some inches either way.


Mmmmm proportions.

russd7
4th May 2018, 21:23
Mmmmm proportions.

If you are 50 plus you'll remember when the perfect proportions were 36 24 36 (inches).

Simpler times when catching a perv was not a social outcry.

To be fair I never had issues with some inches either way.


Mmmmm proportions.

yup dead right, had to explain to the daughters that if they were going to dress in such a manner as to attract attention then they could not complain when someone they didn't want looking did look.
as for 36 24 36, nothing wrong with some inches more than that, the stick figure never did anything for me, nice to have a little bone cover :yeah:

F5 Dave
4th May 2018, 21:26
. . . be fair I never had issues with some inches either way.

. . , .
I wonder if a gaggle of drunk women would be so charitable :shutup:

AllanB
4th May 2018, 21:29
I wonder if a gaggle of drunk women would be so charitable :shutup:

Reckon they would be happy with my inches bawahahahahahah

Voltaire
4th May 2018, 21:56
Reckon they would be happy with my inches bawahahahahahah

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1b/3c/dd/1b3cddd14330e62a8f73117aa42cfa54.jpg.....:eek5:[/url]

YellowDog
6th May 2018, 08:00
Most put their, rusty inorganic, crap out for collection:

Not this guy :no:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1609646109.htm?rsqid=682f9c5d5e2e47dc859da2b44be51 e56

Voltaire
6th May 2018, 08:32
Most put their, rusty inorganic, crap out for collection:

Not this guy :no:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1609646109.htm?rsqid=682f9c5d5e2e47dc859da2b44be51 e56

I dunno...I quite like the 50's/60's styling, but I am over projects.
https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/bruces/72/570072/H3561-L79153410.jpg

AllanB
6th May 2018, 12:29
Most put their, rusty inorganic, crap out for collection:

Not this guy :no:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1609646109.htm?rsqid=682f9c5d5e2e47dc859da2b44be51 e56


I don't know man - I like those scooters. Unsure of the value he's after.

Hmmm, I'd like to re-power it with a Honda motor or similar.

T.W.R
6th May 2018, 13:16
I don't know man - I like those scooters. Unsure of the value he's after.

Hmmm, I'd like to re-power it with a Honda motor or similar.

Try and track down a 50s Vespa Faro Basso (low light) :msn-wink: that's where the money is with the old scooters

YellowDog
6th May 2018, 14:13
I suspect it is all a bit too far gone, to be taken seriously.

The projects, I like to buy, are usually >75% of the way through and the owner has other priorities, like keeping the good old marriage together :(

Like this: https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/auction-1616912184.htm?rsqid=c92d90f925814603bc064a17ad5ad c60

AllanB
6th May 2018, 17:57
I suspect it is all a bit too far gone, to be taken seriously.



For what it is I agree - probably why the current owner has given up - took it somewhere to get a quote to have the rust cut out and replaced and discovered what he was in for.

sidecar bob
6th May 2018, 18:29
Not optimistic or anything, but does anyone on here know this guy?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624355598.htm?rsqid=a0be367f7f0a4724b1802276efe5e b60

Voltaire
6th May 2018, 18:55
Not optimistic or anything, but does anyone on here know this guy?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624355598.htm?rsqid=a0be367f7f0a4724b1802276efe5e b60

No but he must have very large shed, been selling a lot of Italian bikes from Japan.

The 500 version that is on TM would be the lesser of the two evils.

Interestingly the same styling at the Darmah.

From memory it was a 60's engine design to fill a gap prior to Tagliolini's Pantah, the grandfather of all the belt drive Duc's:sherlock:

Paulo
6th May 2018, 19:52
Not optimistic or anything, but does anyone on here know this guy?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624355598.htm?rsqid=a0be367f7f0a4724b1802276efe5e b60


Yes Bought my Gilera from him, Bike was as described and he was pleasant to deal with. (Never met him though all done over phone)

AllanB
6th May 2018, 19:53
Mmmmmmmm Ducatis :drool:

T.W.R
6th May 2018, 20:10
From memory it was a 60's engine design to fill a gap prior to Tagliolini's Pantah, the grandfather of all the belt drive Duc's:sherlock:

Taglioni used the engine design as a test bed for the Pantah :msn-wink: the Pantah uses the same valve angle and combustion chamber design.
Aussies are good at making them go real quick...Peter Smith's (EPICYCLE) 500 Sport is a good example

Grumph
6th May 2018, 20:42
Taglioni used the engine design as a test bed for the Pantah :msn-wink: the Pantah uses the same valve angle and combustion chamber design.
Aussies are good at making them go real quick...Peter Smith's (EPICYCLE) 500 Sport is a good example

The 650 Benelli twin is the same head shape and porting - but is let down by a crap valve train.
I got a surprise when I saw inside a 650. Pretty close copy of the Duc head.

Voltaire
6th May 2018, 20:47
Taglioni used the engine design as a test bed for the Pantah :msn-wink: the Pantah uses the same valve angle and combustion chamber design.
Aussies are good at making them go real quick...Peter Smith's (EPICYCLE) 500 Sport is a good example

I had to Google check that, only the Desmo version, and once Tago touched it and Tartarini restyled it the price was too high.
Styling was salvaged to make the ugly 900GTS the Darmah.
I remember a line from years ago " speed costs money Son, how fast do you want to go?";)

F5 Dave
6th May 2018, 20:55
Jesus they are like a serious Lemon.

Something blasphemously offensive written here I have deleted.

T.W.R
6th May 2018, 21:16
I had to Google check that, only the Desmo version, and once Tago touched it and Tartarini restyled it the price was too high.
Styling was salvaged to make the ugly 900GTS the Darmah.
I remember a line from years ago " speed costs money Son, how fast do you want to go?";)

Mick Walker's article "The Ugliest Duckling" goes into some depth on them :yes: the GTL500 spawned the Sport which used the same 'Whale Tail' as used on the early Darmahs
Well :facepalm: of course speed costs money; The Epicycle bike was a race bike that had been taken out to 720cc & 12thou redline Venolia high comp pistons TT2 spec cam big valves twin plug Piranha ignition etc
Even Ian Gowanloch raced one in the late 70s too....both him & Smith would know a few wee things about dukes :msn-wink:

Voltaire
7th May 2018, 07:00
Mick Walker's article "The Ugliest Duckling" goes into some depth on them :yes: the GTL500 spawned the Sport which used the same 'Whale Tail' as used on the early Darmahs
Well :facepalm: of course speed costs money; The Epicycle bike was a race bike that had been taken out to 720cc & 12thou redline Venolia high comp pistons TT2 spec cam big valves twin plug Piranha ignition etc
Even Ian Gowanloch raced one in the late 70s too....both him & Smith would know a few wee things about dukes :msn-wink:

I'm in awe how much people spend on Classic Race bikes, you can drop 20K into a Norton Commando very easily, those plastic cups must be valuable.:rolleyes:

husaberg
7th May 2018, 07:04
I'm in awe how much people spend on Classic Race bikes, you can drop 20K into a Norton Commando very easily, those plastic cups must be valuable.:rolleyes:
it was a modern race bike when Smith built it.....

T.W.R
7th May 2018, 09:44
I'm in awe how much people spend on Classic Race bikes, you can drop 20K into a Norton Commando very easily, those plastic cups must be valuable.:rolleyes:

:oi-grr: about the same as some people should spend on glasses

HenryDorsetCase
7th May 2018, 10:08
:oi-grr: about the same as some people should spend on glasses

fuck sake dont even mention that shit - I am getting my eyes tested again and new glasses with progressive lenses after that :(

jellywrestler
7th May 2018, 10:12
I'm in awe how much people spend on Classic Race bikes, you can drop 20K into a Norton Commando very easily, those plastic cups must be valuable.:rolleyes:

more than that on some motors alone these days...

Voltaire
7th May 2018, 10:21
it was a modern race bike when Smith built it.....

Might have been new but it was not modern.

Parallel Twins....what were Ducati thinking.

T.W.R
7th May 2018, 10:58
fuck sake dont even mention that shit - I am getting my eyes tested again and new glasses with progressive lenses after that :(

:laugh: Don't worry I've got the same outlay coming up too, There goes a set of tires for the 12R :facepalm: bloody sight hasn't changed just the damn glasses are nigh on poked

malcy25
7th May 2018, 12:00
I'm in awe how much people spend on Classic Race bikes, you can drop 20K into a Norton Commando very easily, those plastic cups must be valuable.:rolleyes:

LOl, I wish!!! My last big rebuild I spent more than that!

sidecar bob
7th May 2018, 12:48
LOl, I wish!!! My last big rebuild I spent more than that!

Yeah, but you also had a proper race bike to show for it at the end.

malcy25
7th May 2018, 13:59
Yeah, but you also had a proper race bike to show for it at the end.

True. It's taken a couple of years to get to a point its only trying to kill me 50% of the time.

I could easily spend another 10 k -15k on it. Dymags, new Nitron shock, 6 port cylinders digital ign....=+ 30hp to 160hp.

Shock is probably the only one I will spend on. 130hp is more than adequate!

husaberg
7th May 2018, 15:51
Might have been new but it was not modern.

Parallel Twins....what were Ducati thinking.
TWR said otherwise but I had an idea that Taglioni didn't want a bar of them?

Voltaire
7th May 2018, 17:51
TWR said otherwise but I had an idea that Taglioni didn't want a bar of them?

Only because alan Cathcarts book was within reach...

" Though Taglioni, who had been against it from the start, wanted nothing else to do with it...."

" appalled" is mentioned as opposed"

T.W.R
7th May 2018, 18:14
TWR said otherwise but I had an idea that Taglioni didn't want a bar of them?

:nono: I said "Taglioni used them as a test bed for a test bed for the Pantah" .... Pantah share the same valve angle (60deg) & combustion chamber design.


Only because alan Cathcarts book was within reach...

" Though Taglioni, who had been against it from the start, wanted nothing else to do with it...."

" appalled" is mentioned as opposed"

Quotes from the article:

"For Taglioni, far from washing his hands of the development, actually used the GTL and Sport as test beds for his ideas about the Pantah. Thus the parallel twin became a very important interim development model; the missing link in the evolution from bevel to belt"

"So the 500s were little shitboxes ignored and scorned by Taglioni? I doubt it. I figure he thought if he had to make a parallel twin, then he would use it to test and develop his ideas for the coming range of V-twins. And that itself explains a lot"

"Further proof is supplied camshafts used in a couple of race bikes kicking around aussie circuits in the late 70s, bikes raced by Arthur Davis, Peter Molloy & Ken Flaherty, they were factory produced camshafts. Now why would the factory produce stuff like this for a machine which was supposed to be a small tourer or sports/tourer?? The answer is in the profile; the cam specification is identical to that used in the TT2 Pantah, the bike which won two F2 world championships for Tony Rutter"

F5 Dave
7th May 2018, 18:14
True. It's taken a couple of years to get to a point its only trying to kill me 50% of the time.

I could easily spend another 10 k -15k on it. Dymags, new Nitron shock, 6 port cylinders digital ign....=+ 30hp to 160hp.

Shock is probably the only one I will spend on. 130hp is more than adequate!
So what are we talking about here? Picture? Heck won' be the first time we've gone off track.

husaberg
7th May 2018, 18:18
Only because alan Cathcarts book was within reach...

" Though Taglioni, who had been against it from the start, wanted nothing else to do with it...."

" appalled" is mentioned as opposed"
I cant remember where it was but likely something Fallon wrote in the puff piece that accompanied the street bike mag article that TWR was referencing about the epicycle big twin mentioned it also.
Also I think it came up in an interview that was carried out with Taglioni his wife and mistress. likely also in streetbike.
I did find this

The suits were adamant, and the order was given to develop a parallel twin—and keep the costs down. Renowned engineer Fabio Taglioni, the originator of Ducati’s desmodromic drive, did let it be known that he wanted nothing to do with this project and spent his time working on a smaller capacity L-twin.


Ducati had hoped to attract a new breed of buyer with this bike, but the new ones weren’t coming, and the Ducatisti thought it a slug.This is where the Sport Desmo comes in. Management finally came to its senses after two years of bad sales, asking Taglioni to please beef up the engine and turning the chassis design over to a fellow named Leopoldo Tartarini, who ran his own successful firm, Italjet. In the early ’70s, Tartarini had bought a good many British engines from Triumph and Velocette and bolted them into his own frames.
Taglioni immediately turned to his mystical desmodromic valve actuation and redesigned the heads. He also used a pair of 30mm Dell’Orto carburetors to feed the combustion chambers, where the fuel was compressed with a 9.6:1 ratio. This allowed the engine to rev more easily;

http://ridermagazine.com/2013/05/02/retrospective-ducati-sport-desmo-500-1977-1982/


:nono: I said "Taglioni used them as a test bed for a test bed for the Pantah" .... Pantah share the same valve angle (60deg) & combustion chamber design.



Quotes from the article:

"For Taglioni, far from washing his hands of the development, actually used the GTL and Sport as test beds for his ideas about the Pantah. Thus the parallel twin became a very important interim development model; the missing link in the evolution from bevel to belt"

"So the 500s were little shitboxes ignored and scorned by Taglioni? I doubt it. I figure he thought if he had to make a parallel twin, then he would use it to test and develop his ideas for the coming range of V-twins. And that itself explains a lot"

"Further proof is supplied camshafts used in a couple of race bikes kicking around aussie circuits in the late 70s, bikes raced by Arthur Davis, Peter Molloy & Ken Flaherty, they were factory produced camshafts. Now why would the factory produce stuff like this for a machine which was supposed to be a small tourer or sports/tourer?? The answer is in the profile; the cam specification is identical to that used in the TT2 Pantah, the bike which won two F2 world championships for Tony Rutter"

Without starting an argument as much as I admire Taglioni 60 degree valve angles are hardly earth shattering and it was him who stopped Ducati using plain bearings and closing up that valve angle to 50 which was closer to the norm for performance earlier not to mention 4 valve heads.
I don't agree that taglioni designed the parallel twins, He only fixed the obvious f-ups and made them better later.

T.W.R
7th May 2018, 18:37
Personally I think the parallel twin is a hideously ugly motor. And having been down the road of having been able to own the last of the Bevels and had mates with Darmahs & one seriously hotted up 500 Pantah I'm glad to have had that experience in the days when one could cane the crap of them without fear of if it broke parts weren't unobtainium. The MHR wasn't worth the hassle but in big open country on song it was a drug all by itself and the Pantah through a big helping of goodies from Brook Henry was an absolute blast :cool:

husaberg
7th May 2018, 18:50
Personally I think the parallel twin is a hideously ugly motor. And having been down the road of having been able to own the last of the Bevels and had mates with Darmahs & one seriously hotted up 500 Pantah I'm glad to have had that experience in the days when one could cane the crap of them without fear of if it broke parts weren't unobtainium. The MHR wasn't worth the hassle but in big open country on song it was a drug all by itself and the Pantah through a big helping of goodies from Brook Henry was an absolute blast :cool:
I still lust after Rutters TTF2.

T.W.R
7th May 2018, 18:59
I still lust after Rutters TTF2.

I've got the article on that somewhere and the Bob Brown bike as well :yes:
But a well sorted Pantah is a fucking ball :yes:

husaberg
7th May 2018, 19:07
I've got the article on that somewhere and the Bob Brown bike as well :yes:
But a well sorted Pantah is a fucking ball :yes:

I have a few on Brown including when it had the std pantah frame as Magoo used to race it originally, Plus the replica he built.
Post what you have in multi cylinder Racebikes and I will dig out what I have.

F5 Dave
7th May 2018, 20:13
Non std pipe, headlight and shocks.
No you don' get to ask $6000 without ridicule.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624117349.htm?rsqid=f7571308e2c942e6929361c82bd91 4b5

F5 Dave
7th May 2018, 20:19
Now here's one that looks fantastic sorted with spares.

Hells teeth, 2 bids over 8k and not at reserve?,!

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624089292.htm?rsqid=a9e8de4006d743dd873325841d755 86d

Sheesh, maybe the other will sell.:wacko:

F5 Dave
7th May 2018, 20:33
Nice picture bud.

Wonder if it' a Midnight special version of that era:rolleyes:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1619352749.htm?rsqid=a9e8de4006d743dd873325841d755 86d

pritch
7th May 2018, 21:46
Non std pipe, headlight and shocks.
No you don' get to ask $6000 without ridicule.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624117349.htm?rsqid=f7571308e2c942e6929361c82bd91 4b5

I particularly liked, "The motor looks to have been worked on". Still, there's nearly fifty people watching.

AllanB
7th May 2018, 22:10
"The motor looks to have been worked on".

All the bolts and screws are rounded off .......

F5 Dave
8th May 2018, 06:57
I sold my one for $1200 But it was considerably newer back then and standard bar the dumbarse holes an 18yr old :whistle:drilled in the airbox. Yeah I get they go up in value, but like it wasn't a particularly good bike.
Way too heavy for a skinny kid when I took it near the dirt. Felt grunty around the suburbs, but Asthmatic on the motorway. Brakes? well. . .

malcy25
8th May 2018, 18:17
I still lust after Rutters TTF2.

if you have the cash, I could hook you up with Trevor Nation's TTF1 Harris (Harris built copy of the TTF2 with which was fitted with a Rising rate rear suspension), RG forks, Dymags, including 16 inch front. Is in a friends shed in the UK and nearly finished a rebuild.....

Not bad for a 4 stroke.,

husaberg
8th May 2018, 18:29
if you have the cash, I could hook you up with Trevor Nation's TTF1 Harris (Harris built copy of the TTF2 with which was fitted with a Rising rate rear suspension), RG forks, Dymags, including 16 inch front. Is in a friends shed in the UK and nearly finished a rebuild.....

Not bad for a 4 stroke.,

From what I read the other day the Harris and another builder that I can't recall plus the better known and sought after VERLICCH were all official suppliers of official F1 and F2 frames.
Not sure if its true but I understood Ducati have not made frames for a long long time. bevel at least.
F1 engineering and Stu Whyte (not sure re spelling) used to build copies here
I don't have that kind of cash but the F1 was a bridge to far and never really completive was it?
But Who has the NZ BMS "streetfighter" version.

malcy25
8th May 2018, 23:03
From what I read the other day the Harris and another builder that I can't recall plus the better known and sought after VERLICCH were all official suppliers of official F1 and F2 frames.
Not sure if its true but I understood Ducati have not made frames for a long long time. bevel at least.
F1 engineering and Stu Whyte (not sure re spelling) used to build copies here
I don't have that kind of cash but the F1 was a bridge to far and never really completive was it?
But Who has the NZ BMS "streetfighter" version.

Dunno, was probably this bike. 5th in The F1 TT in 1984.....

FlangMasterJ
9th May 2018, 09:04
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-1623641298.htm

"..and hasn't been spruced up just to sell."

Apparently sprucing up means washing the dirt off to make it more attractive to potential buyers. :facepalm:

Banditbandit
9th May 2018, 09:48
Non std pipe, headlight and shocks.
No you don' get to ask $6000 without ridicule.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624117349.htm?rsqid=f7571308e2c942e6929361c82bd91 4b5


Now here's one that looks fantastic sorted with spares.

Hells teeth, 2 bids over 8k and not at reserve?,!

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1624089292.htm?rsqid=a9e8de4006d743dd873325841d755 86d

Sheesh, maybe the other will sell.:wacko:

There must be a lot of new collectors expecting these to appreciate ... in 20 years time we can ridicule them for the very stupid prices they try to resell them at ..

Banditbandit
9th May 2018, 09:50
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-1623641298.htm

"..and hasn't been spruced up just to sell."

Apparently sprucing up means washing the dirt off to make it more attractive to potential buyers. :facepalm:

At least it's honest ...

FlangMasterJ
9th May 2018, 09:59
At least it's honest ...

Honest would be saying he's too much of a lazy dick to clean his bike.

WALRUS
9th May 2018, 10:16
Why are there suddenly so many early 80's dirt bikes for sale, and why are they all so overpriced!?

babysteps
9th May 2018, 12:16
Because some cockholster is trying to sell a zero km Honda that he thinks is worth it's weight in Gold. Then every hayseed with a junker in the shed thinks their wreck must be worth a fortune!

F5 Dave
9th May 2018, 13:16
Dirt bikes are such a risk. I mean reality is that unless you are buying a competitive vmx bike then why are you buying it? As a lounge art piece? Because unlike a roadbike which you can ride with sedate rose tinted glasses to have lunch in the countryside. chances are you can put it back in the garage with a wipe down and it looks like it did before .


With a dirt-bike you will quickly be reminded of the steep development progress and weight reduction and of course cover it in crap and throw it down a bank into a stream.

I'd offer that a dirt bike is less appealing prospect to ride for old chaps like us for above reasons than if we bought a nice 400/4. A 7 yr old dirt bike is cheap and capable enough to get our dirt jollies and not make us feel decrepit.

Surely that should limit the value. Heck maybe people aren't thinking before bidding. The Early TS250 with that snazzy heat shield could prompt a beer induced bidding frenzy in this Parrish when I need to save for my RD400.

Voltaire
9th May 2018, 13:52
The whole Classic Bike/Retro scene is powered by IPA and rose tinted glasses.:drool::drinkup:

HenryDorsetCase
9th May 2018, 16:50
Dirt bikes are such a risk. I mean reality is that unless you are buying a competitive vmx bike then why are you buying it? As a lounge art piece? Because unlike a roadbike which you can ride with sedate rose tinted glasses to have lunch in the countryside. chances are you can put it back in the garage with a wipe down and it looks like it did before .


With a dirt-bike you will quickly be reminded of the steep development progress and weight reduction and of course cover it in crap and throw it down a bank into a stream.

I'd offer that a dirt bike is less appealing prospect to ride for old chaps like us for above reasons than if we bought a nice 400/4. A 7 yr old dirt bike is cheap and capable enough to get our dirt jollies and not make us feel decrepit.

Surely that should limit the value. Heck maybe people aren't thinking before bidding. The Early TS250 with that snazzy heat shield could prompt a beer induced bidding frenzy in this Parrish when I need to save for my RD400.

send me some pix of the RD400 and I will possibly make a cheeky offer. Win win.

F5 Dave
9th May 2018, 20:23
I haven't bought it yet.
Hard not to spend money on bits for existing bikes too. Let alone non-essentials like clothes and food.

husaberg
9th May 2018, 20:31
I haven't bought it yet.
Hard not to spend money on bits for existing bikes too. Let alone non-essentials like clothes and food.

You should have done what I did and just settled for a far easier to find RD350

malcy25
9th May 2018, 22:46
You should have done what I did and just settled for a far easier to find RD350
Was never fussed by the 400. Had a 350 l/c in 85. Had a B model a/c in early 2000's. Loved both. Rode a mates 400, not fussed at the time.

husaberg
9th May 2018, 23:55
Was never fussed by the 400. Had a 350 l/c in 85. Had a B model a/c in early 2000's. Loved both. Rode a mates 400, not fussed at the time.

I have a late frame and later closer ratio gearbox the same as a 400 to go with it.
But 50cc is extra torque to start with.
I still need a Pair of TRZ250 1KT or FZR1000 forks to add to the rest of the stuff I have accumulated for it though

F5 Dave
10th May 2018, 07:07
Had a 350 in my lockup for years I rescued after a mates domestic breakup and I wasn't going to let it rot outside as he struggled for room at his new house (didn't offer to look after his Ducati). I got him a buyer couple of years back. Not attracted to it, despite having one as my first road bike (complete with 250 stickers over the 350 ones). But a pillion ride as a youngster on a 400G cemented a love of bikes. And in particular 2 strokes. Only just kicked back in wanting one. Strangely ive never ridden one. Am prepared that it wont blow my socks off.

HenryDorsetCase
10th May 2018, 09:34
Was never fussed by the 400. Had a 350 l/c in 85. Had a B model a/c in early 2000's. Loved both. Rode a mates 400, not fussed at the time.

I did a lot of miles on an RD350LC in the 80's and really liked it. The RD400F (white, gold graphics, red stripe) is what I desperately wanted when I was a spotty 17 year old. I dont think I would own another 350LV (been there done that) but still have the horn for a 400. unrequited love and all that. often the wanting is better than the having ....

Grumph
10th May 2018, 09:39
The a/c 400 doesn't have the edge of the a/c 350. They went soft for a few years. Only with the intro of the 350LC did the sharp edge come back.
The 400 is like riding a fourstroke. Probably suited the market at the time as everything was being softened - see H1 D/E - but when I last rode one I was disappointed.

ellipsis
10th May 2018, 10:33
The a/c 400 doesn't have the edge of the a/c 350. They went soft for a few years. Only with the intro of the 350LC did the sharp edge come back.
The 400 is like riding a fourstroke. Probably suited the market at the time as everything was being softened - see H1 D/E - but when I last rode one I was disappointed.

...my girlfriends bro had the complete set of LC's when I was in the UK in the early eighties...our few hours a week of screaming around country lanes and being hoons was great fun, but everytime he said, 'which ones shall we use today', it inevitably came down to the 125 and the 350...the 250 and 400 always got left behind...I found the 400 to be all of the words Grumph used, soft, four strokeish etc...around the little leafy lanes, the 125 was more fun than anything I had ridden up til then...

F5 Dave
10th May 2018, 12:42
Oh well my 100hp 500 will be the exciting one of the stable.

roogazza
10th May 2018, 12:43
The a/c 400 doesn't have the edge of the a/c 350. They went soft for a few years. Only with the intro of the 350LC did the sharp edge come back.
The 400 is like riding a fourstroke. Probably suited the market at the time as everything was being softened - see H1 D/E - but when I last rode one I was disappointed.

Aren't they the equivalent of a 54 Matchless nowdays ? Lol Greg ! Like an MGB is a twin carb Morris Oxford ?

I mean great in their day (and I did a lot on them). But they'd be pretty average nowdays surely?

jasonu
10th May 2018, 14:43
Am prepared that it wont blow my socks off.

Just as well. They are pretty flat.

Grumph
10th May 2018, 15:55
Aren't they the equivalent of a 54 Matchless nowdays ? Lol Greg ! Like an MGB is a twin carb Morris Oxford ?

I mean great in their day (and I did a lot on them). But they'd be pretty average nowdays surely?

The 350 LC still stands up as exciting IMO. I don't ride a lot of big moderns but what I have ridden feels like big electric motors - no lump in the middle of the power curve, LOL. They may be very fast but the power delivery has been made linear.

Saw the MGB being given away recently by radio - looked at it and thought, fuck no, been there had one of those, never again....

roogazza
10th May 2018, 16:55
The 350 LC still stands up as exciting IMO. I don't ride a lot of big moderns but what I have ridden feels like big electric motors - no lump in the middle of the power curve, LOL. They may be very fast but the power delivery has been made linear.

Saw the MGB being given away recently by radio - looked at it and thought, fuck no, been there had one of those, never again....

I had an LC as well and actually preferred it to the RZ from as much as I remember of 1982 ? lol.

Every ride on the current steed,I arrive home with a big grin.
Its a rocket ship and way better than I am . :laugh:

F5 Dave
10th May 2018, 18:11
A lot of people wobble on about the LC being more exciting than the RZ due to the pv filling in the curve. Course you can just remove the ypvs fuse just after a start up clean cycle where it is in up position for easy kicking. Result, hi exhaust port LC with better porting.

husaberg
10th May 2018, 18:25
Had a 350 in my lockup for years I rescued after a mates domestic breakup and I wasn't going to let it rot outside as he struggled for room at his new house (didn't offer to look after his Ducati). I got him a buyer couple of years back. Not attracted to it, despite having one as my first road bike (complete with 250 stickers over the 350 ones). But a pillion ride as a youngster on a 400G cemented a love of bikes. And in particular 2 strokes. Only just kicked back in wanting one. Strangely ive never ridden one. Am prepared that it wont blow my socks off.
By not attracted to the 350 are you means the looks? i can understand that.
Because i like the Coffin tank looks far better as well. but i have a late model 250 chassis for the cosmetics not that i intend to use much of it or will ever likely finish it.:innocent:
Not a fan of the RDLC looks either, to tell the truth. The pommy Norton designer of the cosmetics missed the boat there.
It should have taken advantage of the TZ style.

F5 Dave
10th May 2018, 19:47
I like the euro style of the 400G but concede the earlier ones are better looking.

Grumph
10th May 2018, 19:53
I like the euro style of the 400G but concede the earlier ones are better looking.

I'd have sworn you'd go for the "Roberts replica" US market version....too flashy ?

HenryDorsetCase
10th May 2018, 20:14
I'd have sworn you'd go for the "Roberts replica" US market version....too flashy ?

I've got the Cycle World with that in it. mmmmMMMmmmmmmMMMM yes.

F5 Dave
11th May 2018, 07:16
I'd have sworn you'd go for the "Roberts replica" US market version....too flashy ?
Yeah they look cool, but the RZ is 2 generations newer. I had the later F2 RZ back in the day which handled significantly better. My current one is mounted in a suzuki but there you go.

roogazza
11th May 2018, 07:27
336666

You never see these old things for sale nowdays ?
For purely sentimental reasons I'd like to have another.

jellywrestler
11th May 2018, 08:20
336666

You never see these old things for sale nowdays ?
For purely sentimental reasons I'd like to have another.

no surprised, the clutch was on the end of the crankshaft and the oil pump driven off the gearbox, a minute sitting revving at an intersection in gear would seize it nicely...

Dadpole
11th May 2018, 09:14
On an Italian bike that would have been called "character".

roogazza
11th May 2018, 09:27
no surprised, the clutch was on the end of the crankshaft and the oil pump driven off the gearbox, a minute sitting revving at an intersection in gear would seize it nicely...
Yeah, terrible clutch.Beaut induction roar tho,echoing around Stokes valley in the mid sixties.
The Suzuki T20 was a step forward .

Grumph
11th May 2018, 09:46
Yeah they look cool, but the RZ is 2 generations newer. I had the later F2 RZ back in the day which handled significantly better. My current one is mounted in a suzuki but there you go.

No I didn't mean what HDC posted. I meant the 400 "Daytona" - White with red speedblocks. Can't source a pic but you know which I mean.

roogazza
11th May 2018, 10:21
336667
This one Grumph ?

Scubbo
11th May 2018, 10:28
how gorgeous is that!

rustys
11th May 2018, 10:35
336666

You never see these old things for sale nowdays ?
For purely sentimental reasons I'd like to have another.

Had one of the first of these when they came out to NZ, rocketships could hear them coming a mile away, great little bikes, owned two of them, yes you dont see any around in good nick these days. These and the Ariel Arrow a mate had could go like hell, in their days.

T.W.R
11th May 2018, 10:51
I have a few on Brown including when it had the std pantah frame as Magoo used to race it originally, Plus the replica he built.
Post what you have in multi cylinder Racebikes and I will dig out what I have.

Been over your side of the hill looking at properties, but just been through what I have still unpacked and only managed to find the Bob Brown rep articles regarding the Tingate framed special that ended up with the proper Verlicchi frame and parts spec'd to what was used in the original TT2...the build process and when it finally made it onto the road
The Rutter TT2 I think is in an issue of Motorcycle Sport but they're all buried and packed at present.
Did stumble across Rodney O'Connors "The Rat" Supermono and Dallas Rankine's "Fast n Fragile" BMS 851 in amongst the few mags still on the loose

HenryDorsetCase
11th May 2018, 10:52
I saw an Ariel Square Four on the road yesterday - apropos of nothing in particular.

jasonu
11th May 2018, 12:34
No I didn't mean what HDC posted. I meant the 400 "Daytona" - White with red speedblocks. Can't source a pic but you know which I mean.

A quick 2 second google.
https://www.google.com/search?q=rd400+daytona&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=RHDPW-ZchnzqCM%253A%252CX5Ep-IJGvb5IkM%252C_&usg=__KPcI1IRfPJNYPUD7X89wlLiJKzs%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX64TZtPzaAhUL2WMKHUdPBC4Q9QEIKzAA#imgr c=RHDPW-ZchnzqCM:

Scubbo
11th May 2018, 13:55
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1620947958.htm?rsqid=76cbaedad87c439ebab6d26ffef1a 47b

so it's finally out, but is essentially a Duke390 with a new tank and headlight --- with the douchebag hipster tax, comes out at $11500 :lol:

Grumph
11th May 2018, 14:08
This one Grumph ?

Well, yes...But I could swear I've seen a period ad for a US model with speedblocks down the side of the tank.

Memory is not what it was so i might be wrong - or it might not have got past a pic for an ad.

husaberg
11th May 2018, 14:12
Been over your side of the hill looking at properties, but just been through what I have still unpacked and only managed to find the Bob Brown rep articles regarding the Tingate framed special that ended up with the proper Verlicchi frame and parts spec'd to what was used in the original TT2...the build process and when it finally made it onto the road
The Rutter TT2 I think is in an issue of Motorcycle Sport but they're all buried and packed at present.
Did stumble across Rodney O'Connors "The Rat" Supermono and Dallas Rankine's "Fast n Fragile" BMS 851 in amongst the few mags still on the loose
properties well Everything dairy is for sale...............
Sounds like you have the streetbike mag side covered.
I think i may have posted the Steve Roberts BMS 851 and a lot more cc one or maybe just the picture.

T.W.R
11th May 2018, 16:18
properties well Everything dairy is for sale...............
Sounds like you have the streetbike mag side covered.
I think i may have posted the Steve Roberts BMS 851 and a lot more cc one or maybe just the picture.

:laugh: Nah definitely not anything related to dairy that's for sure....I'm downsizing not up-sizing property thanks and having driven for an agricultural contractor for a number of years & worked in the throng of CASE IH for a few years that's as close as I'd ever want to get to the farming sector thanks.
Yeah the Streetbike mags & late 70s early 80s TwoWheels mags are the only ones bar a few 1960s mags are still out, the majority of the others are packed up.
The article on the BMS is when it was at 985cc using the same pistons as the Britten & through work done by Dick Huurdemann :yes:

husaberg
11th May 2018, 16:58
:laugh: Nah definitely not anything related to dairy that's for sure....I'm downsizing not up-sizing property thanks and having driven for an agricultural contractor for a number of years & worked in the throng of CASE IH for a few years that's as close as I'd ever want to get to the farming sector thanks.
Yeah the Streetbike mags & late 70s early 80s TwoWheels mags are the only ones bar a few 1960s mags are still out, the majority of the others are packed up.
The article on the BMS is when it was at 985cc using the same pistons as the Britten & through work done by Dick Huurdemann :yes:

Flick me a pm about the properties you are looking at and the areas and I will tell you how much shit the agent is talking about them if you want....
its a small place and I can tell you were the bodies are buried.........

F5 Dave
11th May 2018, 20:05
On an Italian bike that would have been called "character".


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dadpole again
Actual laugh out loud.

F5 Dave
11th May 2018, 20:18
Well, yes...But I could swear I've seen a period ad for a US model with speedblocks down the side of the tank.

Memory is not what it was so i might be wrong - or it might not have got past a pic for an ad.

Yeah there was an F like you remember but with the coffin tank. This bike cost me the G I had been eyeing up for a decade. In a strange twist of fate. But again the same bike (G) will come back to me. But at further cost. The F remains untouchable. I'll see it on Sunday. But I don't want that one.

Intruder VS
12th May 2018, 13:10
Get in quick this ones got “Racing wrapping exhausts”
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1630084021.htm?rsqid=1be8f8e2d61044de91ae8918c5f5b c9b

YellowDog
12th May 2018, 13:18
Get in quick this ones got “Racing wrapping exhausts”
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1630084021.htm?rsqid=1be8f8e2d61044de91ae8918c5f5b c9b

"These are getting harder and harder to find"


Not really a remarkable example on a prestige marque :no:

rustys
12th May 2018, 13:40
get in quick this ones got “racing wrapping exhausts”
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1630084021.htm?rsqid=1be8f8e2d61044de91ae8918c5f5b c9b

Just bought one, pitty mine did'nt have Racing wrapped exhausts.........bugger :weep:

Laava
12th May 2018, 13:57
Get in quick this ones got “Racing wrapping exhausts”
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1630084021.htm?rsqid=1be8f8e2d61044de91ae8918c5f5b c9b

My first road bike was one of these, extremely badly reconditioned by Bliss motorcycles in whangarei, it only did a few hundred k's before lunching a main bearing. My first proper introduction to being a bike mechanic. The torsion valve springs were novel too! This is a good example of a bike that looks way better with all its side panels still on, IMO. Uncomfortable to ride but reasonably robust.

F5 Dave
12th May 2018, 15:25
Yes that is a nice find of a fukd bike. 7k? Yeah sure.:tugger::tugger:

Grumph
12th May 2018, 15:38
Yes that is a nice find of a fukd bike. 7k? Yeah sure.:tugger::tugger:

If the crank was guaranteed good, maybe 2K as parts.....

Voltaire
12th May 2018, 16:48
Just bought one, pitty mine did'nt have Racing wrapped exhausts.........bugger :weep:

Your going to have fun with that ( more than previous owner).:niceone:

ellipsis
12th May 2018, 19:38
Your going to have fun with that ( more than previous owner).:niceone:

...could even be a contender to either chase or block...can't wait...SCF maybe?...

husaberg
12th May 2018, 20:07
"These are getting harder and harder to find"

Hopefully he wont get the chance to f-up another one then.

OddDuck
16th May 2018, 06:10
I love these bikes but c'mon

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1631555697.htm?rsqid=34c2464ec83a42718728c1c61fb57 300

OddDuck
16th May 2018, 06:24
Err OK I'm confused

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1610308700.htm?rsqid=890887ec19564b1cb691e9cb6b886 029

64 watchers at time of posting. The same outfit selling this F1 has a few other Dukes (classic, collectables) for similar top end pricing.

Is this a thing now? Are these bikes actually selling for this kind of money? Not mocking the seller despite the thread, serious question to those more involved in the market than I am.

F5 Dave
16th May 2018, 07:07
Maybe every SS owner wants to see what it sells for in the hope it drags the later models up.
Heck maybe it' just if I win lotto types.

jellywrestler
16th May 2018, 08:37
Err OK I'm confused

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1610308700.htm?rsqid=890887ec19564b1cb691e9cb6b886 029

64 watchers at time of posting. The same outfit selling this F1 has a few other Dukes (classic, collectables) for similar top end pricing.

Is this a thing now? Are these bikes actually selling for this kind of money? Not mocking the seller despite the thread, serious question to those more involved in the market than I am.

seems ducati make more numbered collectables than standard bike some days.

pritch
16th May 2018, 15:56
The Hailwood replica looks nice if expensive. Not so expensive as to deter 90 plus from having it watchlisted though. I'm wondering if that's not an estate sale? Having them all on sale at the same time could depress the prices a tad.

Drew
16th May 2018, 16:19
Err OK I'm confused

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1610308700.htm?rsqid=890887ec19564b1cb691e9cb6b886 029

64 watchers at time of posting. The same outfit selling this F1 has a few other Dukes (classic, collectables) for similar top end pricing.

Is this a thing now? Are these bikes actually selling for this kind of money? Not mocking the seller despite the thread, serious question to those more involved in the market than I am.
I'd give my left nut for a 750 f1. But then, I reckon I'd sell a nut for 20k.

jasonu
16th May 2018, 17:06
I reckon I'd sell a nut for 20k.

Good luck finding a buyer.:killingme

Drew
16th May 2018, 17:41
Good luck finding a buyer.:killingme

What I would let it go for, and whether or not someone would pay that price is not important for the purpose of my point.

pritch
16th May 2018, 18:16
I'd give my left nut for a 750 f1. But then, I reckon I'd sell a nut for 20k.

A guy here had an F1 for sale and after some haggling someone agreed to his price at which point he withdrew it from sale. I don't know but my guess is that the thought process goes something like, "If he'll pay that I should be able to get more".

Stylo
16th May 2018, 18:23
I'd give my left nut for a 750 f1. But then, I reckon I'd sell a nut for 20k.

I was lucky enough to be born with three. Might have to use the middle one for the next super special tm deal or, leave it hanging ?

HenryDorsetCase
16th May 2018, 18:48
I was lucky enough to be born with three. Might have to use the middle one for the next super special tm deal or, leave it hanging ?

noooo sell the outer two and leave the one in the middle. twice as many bikes and way more streamlined.

AllanB
16th May 2018, 21:45
I'm wondering if that's not an estate sale? Having them all on sale at the same time could depress the prices a tad.

Has that look about it. I agree re lowering the market with all that loveliness available at one time.

KezzaCFC
17th May 2018, 12:20
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1634221513&tm=email&et=45&mt=1B390B4B-D1BE-4FAF-9886-A53CFDF46930

This thing just doesn't go away. Unsure if its optimistic, but its been on there about a year

Banditbandit
17th May 2018, 12:33
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1634221513&tm=email&et=45&mt=1B390B4B-D1BE-4FAF-9886-A53CFDF46930

This thing just doesn't go away. Unsure if its optimistic, but its been on there about a year

That doesn't seem like a lot - fair price even ... Wonder why it won't sell?

F5 Dave
17th May 2018, 13:25
Well he says price dropped. Quite a lot.
What were they new on summer special? Probably bugger all. They aren't exactly pretty or exciting and clearly the market isn't keen.

MichaelG
17th May 2018, 13:43
Well he says price dropped. Quite a lot.
What were they new on summer special? Probably bugger all. They aren't exactly pretty or exciting and clearly the market isn't keen.

Probably not that big a market for a gsr750 (ugly as bikes), not as popular as the MTs and when I clicked the link the "other listings you may be interested in" had a similar age, similar KMs BMW F800R from a dealer for less than $7500. If you were that way inclined. Probably needs to knock another K off

AllanB
17th May 2018, 21:42
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1634221513&tm=email&et=45&mt=1B390B4B-D1BE-4FAF-9886-A53CFDF46930

This thing just doesn't go away. Unsure if its optimistic, but its been on there about a year

Funny I just pointed a friend that direction this evening.

Intruder VS
20th May 2018, 20:56
And another but the Q&A is entertaining
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1639207883.htm?rsqid=25767950cffd4ac6973fdfe23c9e4 b98

AllanB
20th May 2018, 22:06
And another but the Q&A is entertaining
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1639207883.htm?rsqid=25767950cffd4ac6973fdfe23c9e4 b98

Buy now $12k! F-sake.

Laava
20th May 2018, 22:06
And another but the Q&A is entertaining
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1639207883.htm?rsqid=25767950cffd4ac6973fdfe23c9e4 b98

On both guys listings....

jasonu
21st May 2018, 03:26
On both guys listings....

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1628930726.htm?rsqid=f93f850c554845ee82a78052db9f8 70a

russd7
21st May 2018, 18:54
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1628930726.htm?rsqid=f93f850c554845ee82a78052db9f8 70a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I

Laava
21st May 2018, 19:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I
Good post, I fucken love that song!

ellipsis
21st May 2018, 19:19
...I'm not overly optimistic on my chances of owning one, but I wouldn't mind...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/104051738/harry-and-meghans-stylish-electric-ride

F5 Dave
21st May 2018, 20:03
Dont think we've done this one?

Butt eets a Doookarty.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1638125383.htm?rsqid=582b26cd92334340977dbfe450188 42e

Ok it's shiny where you can see, but heck

AllanB
21st May 2018, 20:19
Dont think we've done this one?

Butt eets a Doookarty.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1638125383.htm?rsqid=582b26cd92334340977dbfe450188 42e

Ok it's shiny where you can see, but heck

Clean example and moneys been spend on rubber bands. See someone gave up with the stock carb (webber if I remember) they were a pain by all accounts.

Probably more interesting by being interesting other than anything ground breaking. I remember lots of talk when they came out - can't remember if it was good or bad other than the cab tuning.

jasonu
22nd May 2018, 02:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I

????????????????????

husaberg
22nd May 2018, 07:23
Clean example and moneys been spend on rubber bands. See someone gave up with the stock carb (webber if I remember) they were a pain by all accounts.

Probably more interesting by being interesting other than anything ground breaking. I remember lots of talk when they came out - can't remember if it was good or bad other than the cab tuning.
I think even the similar year 900ss had the weber as well.
The styling always reminded me of the CBR Aeros. 400/600/1000.

Voltaire
22nd May 2018, 08:42
Dont think we've done this one?

Butt eets a Doookarty.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1638125383.htm?rsqid=582b26cd92334340977dbfe450188 42e

Ok it's shiny where you can see, but heck

I was living in Sydney riding a Darmah when I first laid eyes on the Paso at Frazers.
I like engines and frames. The Paso looked to have used school chair square tube, its a no from me.

swarfie
22nd May 2018, 08:49
I was living in Sydney riding a Darmah when I first laid eyes on the Paso at Frazers.
I like engines and frames. The Paso looked to have used school chair square tube, its a no from me.

Me nor. Didn't like the CBR's either. Too much plastic for this old school fella.

pritch
22nd May 2018, 09:05
...I'm not overly optimistic on my chances of owning one, but I wouldn't mind...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/104051738/harry-and-meghans-stylish-electric-ride

Shit oh dear! My reaction to the video clip of that when I first saw it was, "Sacrilege!"

ellipsis
22nd May 2018, 10:30
Shit oh dear! My reaction to the video clip of that when I first saw it was, "Sacrilege!"

...not long back that would have been my thoughts also but even the most luddite, I.C.E freaks have a change of heart...my favourite motorsport viewing these days is Formula E racing...most exciting and close stuff I have seen in years...leaves F1 for dead in excitement and thrills...

Drew
22nd May 2018, 15:31
Dont think we've done this one?

Butt eets a Doookarty.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1638125383.htm?rsqid=582b26cd92334340977dbfe450188 42e

Ok it's shiny where you can see, but heck

Shiney where you can see. Christ almighty, you bitch if a bike's not clean and has shit pictures, now you imply that those things still aren't enough.

russd7
22nd May 2018, 19:32
????????????????????

read the comments and who made em on the ad for the gold plated harley etc

jellywrestler
22nd May 2018, 22:13
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=1634550859&cc=61&pid=791764873&hbc=12&member_hash=&ct=title-link&tm=email&et=61&mt=E039B2BA-9026-439D-9608-BF25D51369E0

says it's good for spares, is there a single part worth having?

AllanB
22nd May 2018, 23:09
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=1634550859&cc=61&pid=791764873&hbc=12&member_hash=&ct=title-link&tm=email&et=61&mt=E039B2BA-9026-439D-9608-BF25D51369E0

says it's good for spares, is there a single part worth having?


Up to $74 so far, it looks like someone used it as a boat anchor for a couple years.

JimO
23rd May 2018, 07:05
Dont think we've done this one?

Butt eets a Doookarty.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1638125383.htm?rsqid=582b26cd92334340977dbfe450188 42e

Ok it's shiny where you can see, but heck
i know a guy who has restored one of them, it probably owes him 10k

F5 Dave
23rd May 2018, 07:05
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=1634550859&cc=61&pid=791764873&hbc=12&member_hash=&ct=title-link&tm=email&et=61&mt=E039B2BA-9026-439D-9608-BF25D51369E0

says it's good for spares, is there a single part worth having?
Go on HDC, ask if it runs.

F5 Dave
23rd May 2018, 07:34
Shiney where you can see. Christ almighty, you bitch if a bike's not clean and has shit pictures, now you imply that those things still aren't enough.
Have you seen what a Ducati engine of that era and decade or so after, usually looks like?

If it's hidden most people (myself included) are too lazy to clean (let alone repaint). . . . - That has most hidden.

When they came out I was well impressed.
But I was younger and somehow even more stupid.

Banditbandit
23rd May 2018, 09:54
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=1634550859&cc=61&pid=791764873&hbc=12&member_hash=&ct=title-link&tm=email&et=61&mt=E039B2BA-9026-439D-9608-BF25D51369E0

says it's good for spares, is there a single part worth having?


A couple of those head studs look pretty clean ... the nuts holding the clutch springs also look usable .

T.W.R
23rd May 2018, 11:47
Clean example and moneys been spend on rubber bands. See someone gave up with the stock carb (webber if I remember) they were a pain by all accounts.

Probably more interesting by being interesting other than anything ground breaking. I remember lots of talk when they came out - can't remember if it was good or bad other than the cab tuning.


On the 1st incarnation in 87 the twin throat Weber 44DCNF gave the bike a horrid flat spot @3000rpm (closer to a dead zone), they tamed it down in the later models but the damage/reputation was done plus they ran very hot too. Good handling (capable of matching a GSXR750J in tighter country) and comfy particularly for shorter riders :yes:

But the price is cheap by comparison to this one that's been listed for a few months now, might be the LTD version but it's only a paint job nothing else

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1440696234

Scubbo
23rd May 2018, 13:07
"well done"

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1635754195.htm?rsqid=d4f8a12a4f664b3094ebb8237bce6 a03


:sick:

Dadpole
23rd May 2018, 13:35
"It all started as a very sad looking GSXR at the back of someone's garage."

It looks a fucking lot sadder now. :facepalm:

HenryDorsetCase
23rd May 2018, 13:45
"well done"

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1635754195.htm?rsqid=d4f8a12a4f664b3094ebb8237bce6 a03


:sick:

I need a bourbon after looking at it. It seems well enough done but its not to my taste.

F5 Dave
23rd May 2018, 19:43
Jesus mother Arse fucking Christ.

Just what.

speedpro
23rd May 2018, 21:02
Dont think we've done this one?

Butt eets a Doookarty.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1638125383.htm?rsqid=582b26cd92334340977dbfe450188 42e

Ok it's shiny where you can see, but heck

I had a ride on Wendy's, of Milton & Wendy, 650 I think it was round the side of Lake Taupo a very long time ago. I remember the carb was total shit but I also remember it going round corners like nothing I'd ever ridden before.

ellipsis
23rd May 2018, 21:11
"well done"

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1635754195.htm?rsqid=d4f8a12a4f664b3094ebb8237bce6 a03


:sick:


...very well done...steampunk delicious...'vive la difference'...(with a frog nasal twang)...

Paulo
23rd May 2018, 21:14
"well done"

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1635754195.htm?rsqid=d4f8a12a4f664b3094ebb8237bce6 a03


:sick:

mother of god that is a fuck up, oh how I hate steam punk, all I see when I look at this is some aged fat goth lady from Oamaru with a monocle and too many petticoats who somehow thinks the fact her husband rides a fucking penny farthing make them edgy and interesting, God I need some eye wash. Did I mention how much I hate steam punk. I'm trying to be positive but those studs on the muffler remind me of dirty used sex toys and could you possibly pick a worse combination of colours.

F5 Dave
24th May 2018, 07:07
No I truly think they must have used a complex algorithm to come up with that pallete.

F5 Dave
24th May 2018, 07:09
I had a ride on Wendy's, of Milton & Wendy, 650 I think it was round the side of Lake Taupo a very long time ago. I remember the carb was total shit but I also remember it going round corners like nothing I'd ever ridden before.
Wendy's was an early 750. Believe it gave them grief.

Voltaire
24th May 2018, 08:52
Makes a nice change from the endless hacked up 70's BMW's and Hondas.

Steampunk is great, loved the Oamaru Museum, I found the Penny Farthing hard to ride and my monocle kept falling out on the cobblestones.

Banditbandit
24th May 2018, 09:39
"well done"

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1635754195.htm?rsqid=d4f8a12a4f664b3094ebb8237bce6 a03


:sick:

I think with a different colour scheme it could look pretty good. It's not exactly my taste .. but hey - neither are the current crop of insectile machines ...

I'll give you good money someone will buy it at that price ..

actungbaby
24th May 2018, 10:12
Yes mate, very interesting.
That resto mod RG500 on USA ebay is at $21200 reserve not met.

these where reguarded as best replica 500,s from japan had ns 400 yamaha 500 twin crank and the rg 500 gemma .
friend has a ns 400 in a barn been un used for decade oh love to buy it of him wont sell it to me .
i just got my Honda ns 250 r in bits . have never ridden one of these bikes. saw a nsr 250 other day.
Dont realize how small compact they are tiny. power wieght must be insane. i know modern superbikes are faster.
more power . but thats two stroke power band . i still remmebr back for weeks exp on a it 400 yam. i never forgotten exp.