Optimistic sellers [Archive] - Page 30

Voltaire

9th August 2017, 13:32

$52,300.
What might it have been worth 10 or 20 years ago?

25% deposit on a 3 bedroom bungalow in Onehunga in 1996.

40% deposit on a 2 bedroom unit in New Windsor in 1995.

60% deposit on a do up 3 bedroom in central Nelson in 1994.

I remember a guy at work in 1997 selling his 900 S2 for around the 6K mark so an SS would

probably have been 10-15K.

These will probably start going up soon as part of the same family.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1341564031.htm

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/601134875.jpg

Nicer looking than the 860/900 GT GTS.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1385628899.htm

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/525608855.jpg

They were good as an SS replica donor, other than being non desmo, cams and carbs the engine is much the same

roogazza

9th August 2017, 13:37

In 10 more years some clown might pay 100 grand for it ?
Doesn't really matter once you have a few quid,if you want it you buy it.

Once you reach old age you realise your health is No 1 in your thoughts.I never thought I'd get there, but hey, its happened !!! :laugh:
Actually,maybe I should buy one, might fit my buggered knees better than what I have ?<_<

pritch

9th August 2017, 15:05

Once you reach old age you realise your health is No 1 in your thoughts.I never thought I'd get there, but hey, its happened !!! :laugh:
Actually,maybe I should buy one, might fit my buggered knees better than what I have ?<_<

Amen brother :whistle:

T.W.R

9th August 2017, 16:15

These will probably start going up soon as part of the same family.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1341564031.htm

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/601134875.jpg

Either there's an optical illusion happening or somethings going on with that milkybar kid SD......that front end looks way out of line with the rear or even the center stand :scratch:

In 93 you could get a fresh jap import MHR millie for under $9k and go sell it a couple of years later for $13.5k :msn-wink: and it'd graced the pages of an Aussie mag.
That SS, shitload of coin for a pretty narrow focus bike & journey into masochism :blink:

Voltaire

9th August 2017, 16:25

Either there's an optical illusion happening or somethings going on with that milkybar kid SD......that front end looks way out of line with the rear or even the center stand :scratch:

In 93 you could get a fresh jap import MHR millie for under $9k and go sell it a couple of years later for $13.5k :msn-wink: and it'd graced the pages of an Aussie mag.
That SS, shitload of coin for a pretty narrow focus bike & journey into masochism :blink:

Optical illusion me thinks...but the seat and colour.....

In 1986 you could pick up a second hand one for $2700.00 AU and as its not an SS still have it thru kids, white ware, mortgage etc :innocent:

Agree with you last comments but oh the bragging rights...better than one of those old Stevenage things.:laugh:

Banditbandit

9th August 2017, 16:36

25% deposit on a 3 bedroom bungalow in Onehunga in 1996.

40% deposit on a 2 bedroom unit in New Windsor in 1995.

50% deposit on a low-end house in Opotiki right now!!!

T.W.R

9th August 2017, 16:58

Optical illusion me thinks...but the seat and colour.....

I was gauging the shadows cast by the rear wheel & stand by comparison...something just doesn't look right even though the front is slightly pitched to the left.

I still stand by my comment the 1st time this thing aired about the colour....."cream with a yellow tinge"------PISS STAINED :laugh:
Though I see he's hidden the brown seat

jellywrestler

9th August 2017, 18:31

Who has that sort of coin?

lots, the rich are getting richer here, people with coin don't impress their mates with a folder full of property portfolios, but they do with a pretty bike that they've overpaid for and justify it with their little story.
look at the thread here telling us how Britten models are worth $2.5 k cause they've got one, yet after a month on trademe ones reached $760, and it's likely the bidders are jsut hunting that fixed price offer, as we all know there 's a warning when you're within 15% of reserve....

sidecar bob

9th August 2017, 19:05

lots, the rich are getting richer here, people with coin don't impress their mates with a folder full of property portfolios, but they do with a pretty bike that they've overpaid for and justify it with their little story.
look at the thread here telling us how Britten models are worth $2.5 k cause they've got one, yet after a month on trademe ones reached $760, and it's likely the bidders are jsut hunting that fixed price offer, as we all know there 's a warning when you're within 15% of reserve....

Interesting take on it. Maybe their property portfolios mean they have some future financial security & passive income & can now waste a few bucks on stupid stuff they always liked.

Voltaire

9th August 2017, 19:22

lots, the rich are getting richer here, people with coin don't impress their mates with a folder full of property portfolios, but they do with a pretty bike that they've overpaid for and justify it with their little story.
look at the thread here telling us how Britten models are worth $2.5 k cause they've got one, yet after a month on trademe ones reached $760, and it's likely the bidders are jsut hunting that fixed price offer, as we all know there 's a warning when you're within 15% of reserve....

I don't imagine the guy who paid 50K+ really cares what other think about his purchase, he's probably earned it.

Ocean1

9th August 2017, 19:31

Interesting take on it. Maybe their property portfolios mean they have some future financial security & passive income & can now waste a few bucks on stupid stuff they always liked.

Rich pricks eh? :laugh:

In my experience the ones paying stupid money for shit to impress someone else are almost always poor pricks that can't actually afford it. Which makes far more sense when you think about it...

sidecar bob

9th August 2017, 19:36

Ocean1

9th August 2017, 19:58

I buy shit I don't want with money I don't have to impress people I don't like.

Will Smith.

"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.” – Oscar Wilde

Voltaire

9th August 2017, 20:02

"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.” – Oscar Wilde

Another one of Oscars:

What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Optimistic Sellers thread motto no less.:woohoo:

Ocean1

9th August 2017, 20:23

Another one of Oscars:

Optimistic Sellers thread motto no less.:woohoo:

One of my all time favourites: The Best Way to teach your kids about taxes is by eating 30% of their ice cream
— Bill Murray

pritch

10th August 2017, 09:53

Rich pricks eh? :laugh:

In my experience the ones paying stupid money for shit to impress someone else are almost always poor pricks that can't actually afford it. Which makes far more sense when you think about it...

Similar to my reaction. The only instances of 'surprise' motorcycle purchases that I can recall were when someone's dear old mum had died and there had been an inheritance.

When I had my S4R the President of the Ducati owners owned an NCR. NCR prices range from US$59,000 to US$220,000. He visited Italy for Ducati week. I don't know but I'd guess he had a successful business?

Here's the NCR catalogue, you have to scroll a long way through to get to the bike prices, but even the parts prices will give you an idea. http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/17.06-dollar.shtml

jellywrestler

10th August 2017, 10:54

Scubbo

10th August 2017, 11:19

harder for them to exchange their china dollars to other currency after their government/banks are stopping all the money leaving the country --- a nice chain of events (kinda starting from Canada's kickout of chinese investors) is what made all that money wash over here -- that ship has sailed for the most part however.

husaberg

10th August 2017, 20:06

Interesting take on it. Maybe their property portfolios mean they have some future financial security & passive income & can now waste a few bucks on stupid stuff they always liked.

Tracey's boobs'?:innocent:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KeMTQHZZA0k/VgpZ1E-F0xI/AAAAAAAAkqU/EmavhrQ_qyQ/s1600/b.gif

babysteps

11th August 2017, 19:05

WTF is this!!!! I think I just had an aneurysm.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1382185322.htm

sidecar bob

11th August 2017, 19:08

WTF is this!!!! I think I had an aneurysm.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1382185322.htm

Forward controls, I stop reading a bike ad if I get to that bit.

jellywrestler

11th August 2017, 20:28

Forward controls, I stop reading a bike ad if I get to that bit.

didn't glen and neville hazelmans sidecar have those in 1995

F5 Dave

11th August 2017, 20:57

A TVNZ WOF?!?? That's a lot of acronym to start with, but is that some sort of reality program thing?

So he's bought a hardly. Surely that nasty piece of shit (the cb) is the bike you'd keep in preference. Story doesn't ring true. . .

Drew

12th August 2017, 08:07

WTF is this!!!! I think I just had an aneurysm.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1382185322.htm
Tank and front wheel let it down.

Cool though.

jellywrestler

12th August 2017, 08:51

Tank and front wheel let it down.

Cool though.

people confuse the evolution of c
hoppers, if the tanks up there it's to tuck the knees in tight and should also have the real narrow sisco bars, these two features allowed bikes to squeeze through the narrow streets in san fransisco when the americans had that craze of having the wideest cars in history.
a lot of people didn't build choppers cause they wanted them, they made them for a purpose!!

pritch

12th August 2017, 09:04

people confuse the evolution of shoppers, if the tanks up there it's to tuck the knees in tight and should also have the real narrow sisco bars, these two features allowed bikes to squeeze through the narrow streets in san fransisco when the americans had that craze of having the wideest cars in history. a lot of people didn't build choppers cause they wanted them, they made them for a purpose!!

Interesting but that would be back in the mists of time when things were done for more or less sensible reasons. In more recent years we have abominations like the Orange County Choppers where they went shopping with a trolley and bought a collection of parts and assembled a bike that didn't go, didn't stop, didn't handle, was as uncomfortable as fuck, and looked like shit. 'Each to his own'? Or maybe 'a fool and his money are soon parted'?

jasonu

13th August 2017, 03:24

Interesting but that would be back in the mists of time when things were done for more or less sensible reasons. In more recent years we have abominations like the Orange County Choppers where they went shopping with a trolley and bought a collection of parts and assembled a bike that didn't go, didn't stop, didn't handle, was as uncomfortable as fuck, and looked like shit and made millions of bucks doing so. 'Each to his own'? Or maybe 'a fool and his money are soon parted'?

Fixed it for ya.

Rowan

13th August 2017, 12:18

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1166422988.htm

This thing's been at red baron for over 3 years!

You'd think they would have dropped the price by now.

James Deuce

13th August 2017, 13:11

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1166422988.htm

This thing's been at red baron for over 3 years!

You'd think they would have dropped the price by now.
You just put "Red Baron" and "dropped the price" in the same post.

Laava

13th August 2017, 15:28

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1166422988.htm

This thing's been at red baron for over 3 years!

You'd think they would have dropped the price by now.

That first photo looks like it has a load of gravel rash or the like, really shit photo!

AllanB

13th August 2017, 15:58

Worth a watch - I'm making a donation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbu6nXV3xZ4

F5 Dave

13th August 2017, 16:44

Maybe Trade me should have a program where if you type in the words 'cafe racer' someone arrives at your door to slap you silly.

Rowan

13th August 2017, 18:54

Yep I've seen her in real life when my mate bought an rs125 from them, she was pretty rugged :lol: the pics are blurred for a reason

My mate also rung up to order some fairing screws and they asked him to send a photo of what they looked like!

YellowDog

13th August 2017, 20:57

Some of course have just gone too far, to ever come back, and need to be assisted on their way into the bright light :yes:

http://cx500forum.com/forum/attachments/cx-customization-mods-forum/15931d1411065902-cafe-racer-fad-00l0l_difxehmrgqj_600x450.jpg

jasonu

14th August 2017, 05:03

Dreaming????? I don't know..
https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/suzuki-re5-for-sale/6259245439.html

F5 Dave

14th August 2017, 07:04

1st model, cool. Except the paint obviously.

Voltaire

14th August 2017, 07:10

Dreaming????? I don't know..
https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/suzuki-re5-for-sale/6259245439.html

Apparently the desirable early one with the roll away speedo ( or summat like that), road tests are not very flattering of them.

Saying that one all restored sure attracted attention at a large Auckland bike show a few years back.

If I was going to buy a rotary to take space up in the shed I'd go for the original German one, before Suzuki and Yamaha got on

the " me too" band wagon.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/Hercules-W-2000-portrait-1.jpg?378220

or if feeling like really spending some money on garage bling, saying that saw one at a Norton Rally a couple of years back

and they sound awful compared to a Commando unless your into weed eater sounds.

http://www.visordown.com/sites/default/files/article-images/7/75347.jpg

HenryDorsetCase

14th August 2017, 09:53

1st model, cool. Except the paint obviously.

I like the indicators but good luck trying to replace that broken one.

It has the later model tail light too I think - if it had the round barrel speedo, it should have the round barrel tail light?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_RE5#/media/File:Suzuki_RE5_M2.JPG

jellywrestler

14th August 2017, 10:41

I like the indicators but good luck trying to replace that broken one.

It has the later model tail light too I think - if it had the round barrel speedo, it should have the round barrel tail light?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_RE5#/media/File:Suzuki_RE5_M2.JPG

the first year had that dash and taillight, they went to the same as the gt750 for the 76 models, always rememebr the huge box of new instruments sitting in colemans in wanganui as they'd upgraded the unsold 75 models to 76 specs by swapping these out.
unusually for that ear the rea indicator lense is a one model only fitment so will be tough to get a new one

Crasherfromwayback

14th August 2017, 11:08

If I was going to buy a rotary to take space up in the shed I'd go for the original German one, before Suzuki and Yamaha got on

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We had one of those in here the other day. Quite funky I reckon.

Mike.Gayner

14th August 2017, 18:18

Dreaming????? I don't know..
https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/suzuki-re5-for-sale/6259245439.html

I would buy that bike TODAY at that price in NZ. It's totally unique and a piece of history.

jellywrestler

14th August 2017, 18:31

I would buy that bike TODAY at that price in NZ. It's totally unique and a piece of history.

there's no shortage of them in nz southwards are auctioning one later this year and they pop up every few months on trademe

SUNDOWNER

14th August 2017, 20:15

I have an original RE5 pamphlet if anyone is interested.

husaberg

14th August 2017, 20:22

and they sound awful compared to a Commando unless your into weed eater sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z3TK3Sf-6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLQQyAuXiAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd4Y6sQ7ctw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF3r1xniCSk

pritch

14th August 2017, 20:40

Haven't seen an RS250 for a year or three but the last one I saw was $10,000.

riffer

17th August 2017, 13:16

I've always wanted to try some MotoGP tyres on my bike. And such a bargain.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-1396545643.htm

F5 Dave

17th August 2017, 13:33

So the GP part is short for sheep rooting in some clever farmer code I assume.

riffer

17th August 2017, 16:04

So the GP part is short for sheep rooting in some clever farmer code I assume.

Grassy paddock?

kazadi

18th August 2017, 15:15

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1335440147.htm

the mind boggles with this shit

Laava

18th August 2017, 16:51

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1335440147.htm

the mind boggles with this shit
I like the gin trap footpegs tho...
I suppose it would be a cool vehicle if the neo nazi mad max apocalypse comes anytime soon...

jim.cox

18th August 2017, 17:19

I suppose it would be a cool vehicle if the neo nazi mad max apocalypse comes anytime soon...

Only until the petrol runs out

F5 Dave

18th August 2017, 20:15

Oh that's so fuking ghey! Ohh its got skulls! How scary!

Arse plumbers.

jellywrestler

18th August 2017, 21:53

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1335440147.htm

the mind boggles with this shit

not really, wife says get rid of it, 'yes dear' knowing price is stupid

kazadi

18th August 2017, 23:54

mmmm its the matt black look too

Crasherfromwayback

19th August 2017, 00:56

not really, wife says get rid of it, 'yes dear' knowing price is stupid

Queer cunt with the Nazi key ring.

iaingsx1300r

19th August 2017, 05:45

"frankly i would rather be spotted riding a fat ugly bird than this"

Hayabusa?

F5 Dave

19th August 2017, 08:40

Posted at 11:54. On a friday night. Forgot attachment of link. Ahh, alcohol. ;)

Rowan

19th August 2017, 12:56

Haven't seen an RS250 for a year or three but the last one I saw was $10,000.

Really? there's a few on trademe, sold mine for 6 this year.

pritch

19th August 2017, 13:17

Really? there's a few on trademe, sold mine for 6 this year.

It may have been a very nice one, or it may have been a few years ago, I haven't been watching. They do have a definite appeal though.

Banditbandit

22nd August 2017, 15:22

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1335440147.htm

the mind boggles with this shit

Haha ...

Someone has asked him if the comma was in the right place ...

Laava

22nd August 2017, 18:16

Bwahaha! Didn't even look at the price as I was too busy lol'ing at the muffler!
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/mcy/d/2005-suzuki-sv650s-7600-miles/6264403643.html

neels

22nd August 2017, 18:40

Bwahaha! Didn't even look at the price as I was too busy lol'ing at the muffler!
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/mcy/d/2005-suzuki-sv650s-7600-miles/6264403643.html
Now that's redneck, broke the muffler on my bike so just rip one off one of the dead cars in the yard and weld the fucker on.

babysteps

22nd August 2017, 20:13

Drew

22nd August 2017, 20:46

This Cockholster (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1397613905) wont let a 46 year old that has been riding bikes since he was 15, take his shit box GSX-R 400 for a test ride as he thinks I might crash it!
So put the cash in his hand to hold while you ride it or fuck up.

You're the cock in the scenario you've described.

babysteps

22nd August 2017, 21:01

Actually Drew, I'm not the cock in this scenario as I offered that and you can take your opinion and stick it right up your ass :-)

Crasherfromwayback

22nd August 2017, 22:38

This Cockholster (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1397613905) wont let a 46 year old that has been riding bikes since he was 15, take his shit box GSX-R 400 for a test ride as he thinks I might crash it!

Cool wee bikes. Pity the queer cunt couldn't be arsed taking decent pics of it in actual daylight.

Drew

23rd August 2017, 06:37

Actually Drew, I'm not the cock in this scenario as I offered that and you can take your opinion and stick it right up your ass :-)

*arse

You're welcome.

sidecar bob

23rd August 2017, 07:40

This Cockholster (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1397613905) wont let a 46 year old that has been riding bikes since he was 15, take his shit box GSX-R 400 for a test ride as he thinks I might crash it!

Wait for a black '84 to turn up. Although very similar, way more desirable than that model.

babysteps

23rd August 2017, 07:41

*arse.

You're proving yourself to be one again Drew. Well done :niceone:

Crasherfromwayback

23rd August 2017, 10:00

Has this featured yet? I'd also far rather have an RC30...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1398982638.htm

T.W.R

23rd August 2017, 10:08

Cool wee bikes. Pity the queer cunt couldn't be arsed taking decent pics of it in actual daylight.

Fuckin thing is a bitsa and for his buy now price there's a far tidier 89 1100 going for the same price :weird:
Unless there's a total difference between the cooling system on NZ & Aussie models; you start pushing the wee screamers and they start to cook themselves

Have a look at his listings :rolleyes: he's real steptoe & son :msn-wink: the 2nd 400 he's trying to move was at the same place where I got the 2 GSX750s, it's been through 3 people in 8mths :lol:

HenryDorsetCase

23rd August 2017, 10:09

Has this featured yet? I'd also far rather have an RC30...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1398982638.htm

You're in luck

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1387703552.htm

The 45 is a little bit dear for something unregistered and maybe unknown provenance. Bonuses are low ks and all original. You would want to know where it came from and what spec and so forth.

Its nearly Vincent money* though so there's that.

*or fucking bevel Ducati! fuck - they arent THAT special or exotic.

Crasherfromwayback

23rd August 2017, 10:40

Fuckin thing is a bitsa and for his buy now price there's a far tidier 89 1100 going for the same price :weird:
l:

You're in luck

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1387703552.htm

.

I like this too but wouldn't pay that for it...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1236576612.htm

That RC30 is a roughy too.

T.W.R

23rd August 2017, 10:59

I like this too but wouldn't pay that for it...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1236576612.htm

That RC30 is a roughy too.

:lol: $12k for a jap import

Bet that RC30 has had a hard life :rolleyes:

The RC45, if BP still had his 2nd one that would've made 3 in the district :scratch: bloody common as muck

babysteps

23rd August 2017, 12:27

Fuckin thing is a bitsa and for his buy now price there's a far tidier 89 1100 going for the same price :weird:

Yes you're right, but I'm looking for a commuter that will give me a bit of a rush getting to work. That 1100 would put me in jail or hospital

T.W.R

23rd August 2017, 12:42

Yes you're right, but I'm looking for a commuter that will give me a bit of a rush getting to work. That 1100 would put me in jail or hospital

:pinch: The bike wouldn't do that, that's the domain of the messages transmitting from the brain to the right hand :yes:
The 11 is capable of taking you, a passenger & gear all around NZ without breaking a sweat
The SV you're showing is an ideal commuter well capable of giving a thrill & rush :yes:

jasonu

23rd August 2017, 13:13

Has this featured yet? I'd also far rather have an RC30...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1398982638.htm

How much do you think is fair?

I'd be happy with either but yes RC30 is preferred.

HenryDorsetCase

23rd August 2017, 13:48

How much do you think is fair?

I'd be happy with either but yes RC30 is preferred.

for that RC45 - $35k.

the RC30 is a racebike so ..... I thought that a tidy road RC30 was around $30k.

Crasherfromwayback

23rd August 2017, 14:07

How much do you think is fair?

I'd be happy with either but yes RC30 is preferred.

I don't think I'd pay more than 25k for that particular one.

roogazza

23rd August 2017, 18:03

I like this too but wouldn't pay that for it...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1236576612.htm

That RC30 is a roughy too.

Do these things shrink ? :rolleyes:
Actually, I've lost a ton of weight over the last 8 mths, just maybe I'd fit on one ? But nah young fellas game I think ?

Fondly remember the sounds of RC 45s etc like when Slight was riding them,great noises ! But I have never ever ridden one.

A sister had a 35' was it? 400, liked riding that when I'd come over from Aussie.

Crasherfromwayback

23rd August 2017, 18:40

A sister had a 35' was it? 400, liked riding that when I'd come over from Aussie.

An NC30 maybe? Looks like a mini RC30? Or an NC45? Mini of the big brother?

Grumph

23rd August 2017, 19:35

Fuckin thing is a bitsa and for his buy now price there's a far tidier 89 1100 going for the same price :weird:
Unless there's a total difference between the cooling system on NZ & Aussie models; you start pushing the wee screamers and they start to cook themselves

They're the same as the Impulse, there's a bleed screw on the top of the water pump no one ever opens....

Re the RC30 and 45. I've ridden a 30 and liked it. I know the vendor but must add I've never seen the bikes. The 30 I believe is ex Auckland.

F5 Dave

23rd August 2017, 20:12

This is totally worth whatever it gets, I'm just posting it because its coo.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1396540424.htm

F5 Dave

23rd August 2017, 20:19

F5 Dave

23rd August 2017, 20:24

Haha, nice try, fuck off.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1393819011.htm

F5 Dave

23rd August 2017, 20:30

Um. . .

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1399074993.htm

T.W.R

23rd August 2017, 20:58

They're the same as the Impulse, there's a bleed screw on the top of the water pump no one ever opens....

:yes: That's why I said what I did in the impulse thread...how they inherited the same problems as the GSXR :msn-wink:

T.W.R

23rd August 2017, 21:04

While we're talking superbikes.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1401247955.htm

Oh look, Paul has two.

I'd still love to ride an R7( derestricted of course).

$70k aussie when they were new and the YZF that they produced a couple of years later wasn't that much different for a fraction of the price :pinch:
Did any of the Hagamobiles make their way here?

Haha, nice try, fuck off.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1393819011.htm

:crazy: original but that sort of coin :bash: loopy as that chump who's got a the SE in Aucks for $6k it's been listed nearly 18mths and he started at $10k :wacko:

F5 Dave

23rd August 2017, 22:19

Yeah I had a YZF750SP for several years. I defiled and devalued it but lost about 20kg off it and it was a much better bike to ride.

Grumph

24th August 2017, 06:13

This is totally worth whatever it gets, I'm just posting it because its coo.

Hmm, there's a 200 within shouting distance of TWR's old address. The owner's been talking about getting me to do the engine, wonder if this is it...

Honest Andy

24th August 2017, 07:52

Um. . .

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1399074993.htm

He probably shouldn't have parked it above an oil stain... maybe its that bikkie tin?

T.W.R

24th August 2017, 08:37

Hmm, there's a 200 within shouting distance of TWR's old address. The owner's been talking about getting me to do the engine, wonder if this is it...

It's surprising how many bikes were in the area, though that close to the witch's den only means two other houses :shifty:
Up your end further there seems to be a unofficial commune of motorcyclists almost like every second property has bikes stashed somewhere.
The top side of the Burnham camp was the place though, one house could start a Guzzi dealership and another was like a rural version of a motorcycle wreckers :niceone:

HenryDorsetCase

25th August 2017, 08:56

dinosaur

25th August 2017, 09:53

Look out for this trader, they are trying to sell stolen merchandise, scam artist.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Profile.aspx?menber=568700

Black Knight

25th August 2017, 10:09

That's me-what the fuck you talking about-or do I know you!!!!!!!!

T.W.R

25th August 2017, 10:11

Look out for this trader, they are trying to sell stolen merchandise, scam artist.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Profile.aspx?menber=568700

They operate one of those Nigerian schemes don't they, or they're connected to some Triad operation out of Beijing :yes:
Though it is good of you to warn us of what you get upto :facepalm:

Black Night it's a trick that's so old it's got grey hair :yawn:

Black Knight

25th August 2017, 10:32

Its a new one on me TWR,and I'm an old fella-still,what a shit thing to post,there will be retaliation-Trump style.

Banditbandit

25th August 2017, 10:33

Look out for this trader, they are trying to sell stolen merchandise, scam artist.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Profile.aspx?menber=568700

You're link goes to a login - and then to each person's profile ..

Laava

25th August 2017, 11:20

Laava

25th August 2017, 11:21

That's me-what the fuck you talking about-or do I know you!!!!!!!!

Hahahahaha!

Voltaire

25th August 2017, 12:14

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1401371308.htm

Maybe we should start a "Realistic Sellers who appear to be honest" thread.

Who's going to buy it? I've ridden one - a friend had one in the 80's - his was red and quite a nice old bus.

Other than having a later speedo and missing the air cleaner boxes it looks like a good buy.

The engine and gearbox is a bit like " a box of chocolates".

They are a nice bike to ride, the V twin torque is great, lighter than a Moto Guzzi lemans.

I'm giving mine a birthday as its 40 in Jan and cheap $54 rego :banana:

The bevel engine is a work of art, I'm not sure if I'd be keen to tackle a rebuild, I stick to easy air cooled BMW engines.

James Deuce

25th August 2017, 13:05

Hahahahaha!
It'll go International shortly.

F5 Dave

25th August 2017, 13:21

Other than having a later speedo and missing the air cleaner boxes. . . .

And only 48 rivets holding the main boiler plate. Just sayin. ;)

dinosaur

25th August 2017, 13:41

Black Night it's a trick that's so old it's got grey hair :yawn:

Still a bit of fun though

Voltaire

25th August 2017, 14:09

And only 48 rivets holding the main boiler plate. Just sayin. ;)

I do compliance and these details matter...:baby:

T.W.R

25th August 2017, 15:05

Still a bit of fun though

it's been bounced around a couple of times before ;) 1st time there were a few WTF! reactions

malcy25

25th August 2017, 18:12

I don't think I'd pay more than 25k for that particular one.

How much for a stock, straight original unrestored OW01 then? Less OW01's built than RC30's.......

I may just put mine up!

Crasherfromwayback

25th August 2017, 18:41

How much for a stock, straight original unrestored OW01 then? Less OW01's built than RC30's.......

I may just put mine up!

I'd pay 40k for one if I had the coin and wanted one at the time.

malcy25

25th August 2017, 19:11

I'd pay 40k for one if I had the coin and wanted one at the time.

Don't you be trying to set me up for a smackin' here!!:clap:

AllanB

25th August 2017, 19:28

It's just a Yamaha

Rowan

25th August 2017, 20:03

it's been bounced around a couple of times before ;) 1st time there were a few WTF! reactions

Newbie here so it got me good for a second :laugh:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1344457667.htm

Been on for awhile, I'd be pretty hesitant with 39,000 and not much info on the history. If it were a 916 sps with half the k's I'd be willing to do just about anything to get it!, recently saw a 1998 916 SPS for $20,000 and it lasted maybe a few days, probably the best example I've seen on trademe. Seems like everyone is hanging onto their 851/888/916's now :(

T.W.R

25th August 2017, 20:43

Newbie here so it got me good for a second :laugh:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1344457667.htm

Been on for awhile, I'd be pretty hesitant with 39,000 and not much info on the history. If it were a 916 sps with half the k's I'd be willing to do just about anything to get it!, recently saw a 1998 916 SPS for $20,000 and it lasted maybe a few days, probably the best example I've seen on trademe. Seems like everyone is hanging onto their 851/888/916's now :(

Dunno if the seller has his head screwed on correctly though, in the Q & A he's willing to trade a Harley on it :wacko:

A 888 SPS would be nice to have :yes:
All the 916s through to 996 are just fashion statements. It was the 851-888 that put Ducati on the path to where they are today with Lucchinelli & Roache dominating the WSB in the late 80s & early 90s

James Deuce

25th August 2017, 21:23

neels

25th August 2017, 21:28

Been on for awhile, I'd be pretty hesitant with 39,000
Ducati's are generally one of the best serviced bikes on the planet, and 39k's is bugger all.

Still wouldn't pay that though....

T.W.R

25th August 2017, 21:52

Roche. Your weed fixation is showing.

The 851-888 are all pretty flawed compared to the 916.

No fixations here sunshine....actually hooking into some 70yr old brandy at present :bleh:

Any flaws can be ironed out quite easily & they still set the pace for the 916s to follow

Crasherfromwayback

25th August 2017, 23:53

Anyone for a gold plated seat?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122666301056?ul_noapp=true

F5 Dave

26th August 2017, 10:19

Urrgh! The whole dreary bikes aren't worth that much.

Black Knight

26th August 2017, 10:32

Still a bit of fun though

Glad you think so Peter-Your problem is that it is my Mrs TM account,and you really really really don't want to mess with my Mrs,she now has your phone # and she can do nasty things with cell phones.My suggestion is to watch your back for the next week or so,especially keep an eye out for anyone following you that looks like a witch doctor,you have been warned.

James Deuce

26th August 2017, 10:53

Glad you think so Peter-Your problem is that it is my Mrs TM account,and you really really really don't want to mess with my Mrs,she now has your phone # and she can do nasty things with cell phones.My suggestion is to watch your back for the next week or so,especially keep an eye out for anyone following you that looks like a witch doctor,you have been warned.
It isn't. It goes to a user's own profile.

I can assure you that I'm not your Mrs.

AllanB

26th August 2017, 10:54

I find it funny looking back at these super bikes - A special edition Ducati with 124 hp in 1999 was cream ones pants stuff.

Todays equivalent - what 200hp?

Ducati rate my 848 Streetfighter at 132 or something.

I wonder what the electric engines will be pumping out in 15 years or so.

AllanB

26th August 2017, 11:14

On first glance I though this was a deal - then I searched Tuono, and it appears there are a number of more recent new ones they can't unload for a similar price.

I'm thinking if you are in the market for one and you are not hung up about having the current year ride a sweet deal could be had.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1363675355.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1400940253.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1390301226.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1330891219.htm

Drew

26th August 2017, 11:41

dinosaur

26th August 2017, 12:19

Glad you think so Peter-Your problem is that it is my Mrs TM account,and you really really really don't want to mess with my Mrs,she now has your phone # and she can do nasty things with cell phones.My suggestion is to watch your back for the next week or so,especially keep an eye out for anyone following you that looks like a witch doctor,you have been warned.

You really don't get it do you - LMAO

I'm not keen on what you're Mrs can do with cell phones ..... I hear stories about how they smuggle them into prisons..... not sure why she'd want to do that to my one though

Rowan

26th August 2017, 12:35

Dunno if the seller has his head screwed on correctly though, in the Q & A he's willing to trade a Harley on it :wacko:

A 888 SPS would be nice to have :yes:
All the 916s through to 996 are just fashion statements. It was the 851-888 that put Ducati on the path to where they are today with Lucchinelli & Roache dominating the WSB in the late 80s & early 90s

Harleys,Ducatis,tractors... same thing :lol:

I'd have an 851/888/916 over any modern Ducati(panigale). A few years ago I saw a collector put all his Ducatis on trade me - 851,888 sp4,916 sps, the 888 was $27,000. I'm not much a fan of the newer Ducatis, they betray everything I like about them haha.

malcy25

26th August 2017, 12:38

It's just a Yamaha

Heathen! Bit like my view on Ducati's being Italian Harley's!

bogan

26th August 2017, 13:03

Look out for this trader, they are trying to sell stolen merchandise, scam artist.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Profile.aspx?menber=568700

That's some weired buying history, sick bastard. Cunts got a bit of debt too, TM must be whinging at profusely about that...

Grasskarter500

26th August 2017, 13:16

Look out for this trader, they are trying to sell stolen merchandise, scam artist.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Profile.aspx?menber=568700

:lol: :lol: :lol:

HenryDorsetCase

26th August 2017, 13:43

T.W.R

26th August 2017, 13:45

I'd have an 851/888/916 over any modern Ducati(panigale). A few years ago I saw a collector put all his Ducatis on trade me - 851,888 sp4,916 sps, the 888 was $27,000. I'm not much a fan of the newer Ducatis, they betray everything I like about them haha.

I'm not much of a fan of the rubber band brigade, though have spent quite a bit of time on a fully sorted & hot rodded 500 Pantah, a late 80s 750 Sport and a 96 900SP (though riding it was like a flashback to whats below)

You would have liked this then :whistle:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=176521&d=1245623979

F5 Dave

26th August 2017, 14:23

Voltaire

26th August 2017, 14:28

I'm not much of a fan of the rubber band brigade, though have spent quite a bit of time on a fully sorted & hot rodded 500 Pantah, a late 80s 750 Sport and a 96 900SP (though riding it was like a flashback to whats below)

You would have liked this then :whistle:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=176521&d=1245623979

Until you have to buy parts for one....

I had a ST4S, two many valves and liquids for me.

I like the simple ones.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/rednzep/IMG_1667_zpstc6sstnu.jpg

On way to work a couple of weeks back, not a great commuter.

T.W.R

26th August 2017, 15:13

Until you have to buy parts for one....

I had a ST4S, two many valves and liquids for me.

I like the simple ones.

On way to work a couple of weeks back, not a great commuter.

:rolleyes: Didn't have too many issues with parts 24yrs ago & it was sharing bits n pieces with a Alchemy RV1 race bike :cool:

I a bit dubious on the STs I saw & heard Mista's handgrenade it's rear end on the way to the 3rd southern KB get together :lol: he wasn't happy but even at 120km/h it looked impressive & made a hell of a noise and I was about 50m behind him

The Superlight probably rolled through the factory the same time as the 900SP

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26455&d=1140381674

HenryDorsetCase

26th August 2017, 17:51

http://www.waltsiegl.com/sort/leggero/

Id have one of these. Otherwise not so much.

jasonu

27th August 2017, 02:36

Anyone for a gold plated seat?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122666301056?ul_noapp=true

It would have to come with a years worth of blowies for that.

Rowan

27th August 2017, 12:32

Until you have to buy parts for one....

I had a ST4S, two many valves and liquids for me.

I like the simple ones.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/rednzep/IMG_1667_zpstc6sstnu.jpg

On way to work a couple of weeks back, not a great commuter.

Nice! although not as sexy as yours I like the simple ones too...

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4367/36828728395_c4cdc197d6_b.jpg

Best road bike Ducati made imo, deceptively quick and can keep up with anything to 200 still. The 2 valvers sound the best too, the decel is godlike :cool:

AllanB

27th August 2017, 13:17

Best road bike Ducati made imo

Luddite :rolleyes:

Drew

27th August 2017, 15:53

Nice! although not as sexy as yours I like the simple ones too...

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4367/36828728395_c4cdc197d6_b.jpg

Best road bike Ducati made imo, deceptively quick and can keep up with anything to 200 still. The 2 valvers sound the best too, the decel is godlike :cool:
Stop smoking drugs, those bits of shit won't see what way a superduke or gixxer go from 50kph.

Fucken tool.

pritch

27th August 2017, 20:34

Stop smoking drugs, those bits of shit won't see what way a superduke or gixxer go from 50kph.

Fucken tool.

You get your hand slapped again? :whistle:

Drew

28th August 2017, 06:23

You get your hand slapped again? :whistle:
:crybaby::crybaby:
Prolly a bit excessive.

Rowan

28th August 2017, 15:52

The 900 maybe but you'd be a fool to underestimate the desmodue 1000(good system,map etc.) like many do and pay the price for it ;)
I have fond memories of beating 4 cyl. jappers, they think you don't stand a chance until they can't shake the thunderous boom of the termis and then they start to get flustered and frustrated and start to over cook it and that's where I come in for the kill giving them such a fright as I blow right past them they lack the will to carry on questioning the meaning of life'how the fuck did that 90hp piece of shit beat me' :lol:

Are we drag racing or riding? It's all good and well having 200hp but being able to use it is a whole different thing. Torque and handling wins races on the road, not horsepower, I've left tricked out zx10r's for dead that couldn't catch up. I love being underestimated and I love seeing their faces after they've lost to a bike with half the hp :cool:

Don't worry Drew, I'll keep a look out for one on trademe for you, you know deep down you really want one :lol:

Drew

28th August 2017, 16:04

AllanB

28th August 2017, 18:55

I hate Ducatis with a passion

Ouch.

I remember people calling motorcycles 'Jap Crap'

Usually followed by their British and European bikes shitting themselves. Apparently that was 'character' and 'real men' could rebuild a basic twin between weekends so it would shit itself again next weekend.

The Japanese introduced reliability to the world.

The rest of the world has caught up, and then some (OK apart from MV).

Maybe it's time to reacquaint yourself with your Italian cousins? Or not, they won't give a shit - they are on a sales roll, the world loves them presently. Which is usually the point where they potentially fuck up and try to meet demand at the expensive of quality (hello Mercedes) ....

Are you a Harley hater? Who gives a F? People buy what they like. And late at night even the most vocal of HD haters must admit The Motorcycle Company is sure a fine marketing machine.

Pass me another wine, clearly a busy day at work with little lunch followed by a pre-tea wine or two (who is counting) has left me at piece with the world. Well aside from Drews World.

Drews World - the movie is due for release next year. Reckon it will be a riot and potential Oscar winner. But I've been wrong before.

neels

28th August 2017, 19:10

I was with you until this... 2 krautwagons in the family (possibly soon to be 3), other than the horrible period around the introduction of that terrible early lead free solder shit into electronics reliability hasn't changed
Which is usually the point where they potentially fuck up and try to meet demand at the expensive of quality (hello Mercedes) ....

But then you redeemed yourself.....I think I'll have another pinot myself.

Pass me another wine, clearly a busy day at work with little lunch followed by a pre-tea wine or two (who is counting) has left me at piece with the world

I also own a ducati, from the horrible period around the introduction of that terrible early lead free solder shit into electronics, but you learn to live with the process of unplugging the ECU and plugging back in to 'reset' the solder joints and keep riding for a few more months.

Bloody greenies.......

Drew

28th August 2017, 19:11

Nope. Would like to own a Harley 48 amongst others. Don't think I'm a big enough guy to look cool on a fat boy.

AllanB

28th August 2017, 19:20

Nope. Would like to own a Harley 48 amongst others.

I spied a 48 with the burnt orange metal flake tank recently. I'd by it just for the paint.

F5 Dave

28th August 2017, 19:28

Rowan, you realise 1/2 those people weren't trying to race you? You just intimidated and scared the crap out of them following too close and passing where they don't expect it. The other 1/2 were just pushed faster than they could safely ride. That gets people hurt. A race track is an entirely different proposition. I'm slow as anything on the road.

Crasherfromwayback

28th August 2017, 19:29

Nope. Would like to own a Harley 48 amongst others. Don't think I'm a big enough guy to look cool on a fat boy.

Speaking of all things HD, I see they've dropped the complete Dyna range, and made some of the previous Dyna's into Softails. Fucking good idea. Liking the new Fatbob I must say...

https://motorcycles.harley-davidson.com/au/en/motorcycles/2018/softail/fat-bob.html

Drew

28th August 2017, 19:39

I like the new headlight too.

Rowan

28th August 2017, 20:33

dinosaur

29th August 2017, 08:56

Harleys,Ducatis,tractors... same thing :lol:.

lol. I recently purchase a Ducati and have anew joke;

knock knock ...
who's there

.........Ducati

Why they make such a nice bike and great motor, then have such a industrial gearbox and a clutch that makes the bike sound like it's run a bearing!!!!

Drew

29th August 2017, 09:17

lol. I recently purchase a Ducati and have anew joke;

knock knock ...
who's there

.........Ducati

Why they make such a nice bike and great motor, then have such a industrial gearbox and a clutch that makes the bike sound like it's run a bearing!!!!
New ones are wet clutch I'm told.

Banditbandit

29th August 2017, 11:23

I hate Ducatis with a passion,

Why?

(+10 characters ...)

Banditbandit

29th August 2017, 11:28

Nope. Would like to own a Harley 48 amongst others. Don't think I'm a big enough guy to look cool on a fat boy.

I spied a 48 with the burnt orange metal flake tank recently. I'd by it just for the paint.

I rode a brand new '72 last year - in 1972 it would have been my dream bike

What a piece of shit ...

My feet felt like they were in a high speed industrial vibrator ... I couldn't hold the bars for the vibration in my hands - at 100 klicks in a sweeping right-hander the bike was bouncing all over the place (a corner my Bandit did at 135 a couple of days later - and didn't move at all).

After 20 minutes the bones in my elbows were banging together ...

Great looking bike - awesome sound - shit to ride. Put me off Harleys completely ..

pritch

29th August 2017, 11:31

New ones are wet clutch I'm told.

They would need to be. Can you even imagine another manufacturer offering a dry clutch? Or even if there was one demented enough, anbody buying it?

I'd rate the clutch on the S4R I had as inferior to the clutch on my 1954 AJS 350.

Voltaire

29th August 2017, 11:52

They would need to be. Can you even imagine another manufacturer offering a dry clutch? Or even if there was one demented enough, anbody buying it?

I'd rate the clutch on the S4R I had as inferior to the clutch on my 1954 AJS 350.

Are not BMW R series ( the new ones) not a dry clutch? I know the old ones are, Guzzi's probably are too. Commandos are a dry clutch, bevel drive Ducatis are wet.

I've never liked the Duclattery clutch, detracts from the engine and exhaust sound.

I dislike Harleys, no reason for it,never ridden one, never wanted to, just do ( I do like WLA's and earlier though)

Bass

29th August 2017, 12:19

Are not BMW R series ( the new ones) not a dry clutch? I know the old ones are, Guzzi's probably are too.

My 2014 R 1200 GS has a wet clutch on the front of the motor. Clutch job is about 25 minutes these days.

The only interchangeable part between a 2012 GS and a 2013 GS is the oil filter I'm told (by a dealer mechanic).

Drew

29th August 2017, 12:26

Why?

(+10 characters ...)
Overpriced under performing and poorly designed. At least, up until the 1098. I have no experience thereafter.

Are not BMW R series ( the new ones) not a dry clutch? I know the old ones are, Guzzi's probably are too. Commandos are a dry clutch, bevel drive Ducatis are wet.

I've never liked the Duclattery clutch, detracts from the engine and exhaust sound.

I dislike Harleys, no reason for it,never ridden one, never wanted to, just do ( I do like WLA's and earlier though)
The race bike released in tiny numbers for homologation has a dry clutch.

Guzzi is a single plate dry clutch like a car.

Rowan

29th August 2017, 12:44

I couldn't own a Ducati without a dry clutch, love the rattle sound, sounds like it's about to fall to pieces, everyone thinks something's wrong with it. The sound goes away past 2,000 rpm.

HenryDorsetCase

29th August 2017, 13:13

I spied a 48 with the burnt orange metal flake tank recently. I'd by it just for the paint.

I saw a 72 with HEAVY gold metalflake that looked custom. Nope, factory. It was fucking cool and I want one.

F5 Dave

29th August 2017, 13:23

So when are they going to pull their fork angle in to something useful?

Drew

29th August 2017, 13:27

So when are they going to pull their fork angle in to something useful?

I took a streetbob for a thrash over the hill. Steering is fine.

HenryDorsetCase

29th August 2017, 13:40

So when are they going to pull their fork angle in to something useful?

not all bikes are racebikes. that took me a long time to learn. It is perfectly acceptable and valid and reasonable to have a motorcycle that isnt a racebike. Basically as long as it tickles your taint*, its all good.

*admit it, we all love that shit.

pritch

29th August 2017, 14:56

everyone thinks something's wrong with it.

Yes and

sound goes away past 2,000 rpm.

No. That's just the Termignonis inflicting irreparable hearing damage.

Banditbandit

29th August 2017, 15:04

I saw a 72 with HEAVY gold metalflake that looked custom. Nope, factory. It was fucking cool and I want one.

The one I rode was Gold metalflake - from Thunderbike ... terrible .... I don't want one - ever

The salesman was telling me all the things that I could do with it - like new springs and damping in the forks, new rear suspension - I though 'what a waste of money' - for $20grand I want a bike that works - not one that needs another $20grand spent on it just to make it rideable

HenryDorsetCase

29th August 2017, 16:31

The one I rode was Gold metalflake - from Thunderbike ... terrible .... I don't want one - ever

The salesman was telling me all the things that I could do with it - like new springs and damping in the forks, new rear suspension - I though 'what a waste of money' - for $20grand I want a bike that works - not one that needs another $20grand spent on it just to make it rideable

that bike is just for looking at yourself in shop windows...... Any suspension upgrade would be around $2000 - $2500 - if it needed it.

a bike like that all it needs is the exhausts raped a bit and the intake opened up.

it should have round 70hp and a flat torque curve. Perfect for blapping round town on.

AllanB

29th August 2017, 18:33

New ones are wet clutch I'm told.

Sure are. I suspect it has nothing to do with being a 'better' clutch but a lot to do with noise standards - if retained Ducati would need to muffle the crap out of their exhausts to meet new noise regulations due to clutch noise. Or enclose a dry clutch in a heavy duty cover to shut it up, which would then heat up, which would then .....

AllanB

29th August 2017, 18:38

Yes and

No. That's just the Termignonis inflicting irreparable hearing damage.

Ha - valid point, I notice the dry clutch guys tend to have very loud pipes.

I've Termis on my Streetfighter - I've modified the DB killers in them (as it chopped them in half .... just the right sound I'm after without being obnoxious like a open muffler.

Well in my opinion............

Drew

29th August 2017, 18:58

Sure are. I suspect it has nothing to do with being a 'better' clutch but a lot to do with noise standards - if retained Ducati would need to muffle the crap out of their exhausts to meet new noise regulations due to clutch noise. Or enclose a dry clutch in a heavy duty cover to shut it up, which would then heat up, which would then .....

Perhaps. It might also be the fact that the dry clutch is fucking stupid and crap on a road bike. They wear at least three times faster than a wet clutch. I'm talking about the basket. Fibres and steels are dependent of how much rain you let on it.

They are nothing more than a fucking gimmick.

Yet cock smokers who own them wank on about them. Say they like the noise. Bullshit they fucken do. Why would anyone like a sound that very closely resembles a motor about to shit itself?

Crasherfromwayback

29th August 2017, 19:13

Why would anyone like a sound that very closely resembles a motor about to shit itself?

Can't agree with that bit. I loved the sound of my RS250's dry clutch. But it didn't sound like it was shitting it's self.

Drew

29th August 2017, 19:19

Can't agree with that bit. I loved the sound of my RS250's dry clutch. But it didn't sound like it was shitting it's self.

Exactly. But no Ducati clutch sounds nice like that. They sound like a bike running without any big end bearings installed

AllanB

29th August 2017, 19:27

Exactly. But no Ducati clutch sounds nice like that. They sound like a bike running without any big end bearings installed

Big steel paint tin full of roofing nails being shaken hard.

Spoils a otherwise sweet sounding engine.

Crasherfromwayback

29th August 2017, 19:42

Exactly. But no Ducati clutch sounds nice like that. They sound like a bike running without any big end bearings installed

Some are def way worse that others. But regardless, it's a fucking ridiculous thing to put on a street bike.

AllanB

29th August 2017, 20:07

Some are def way worse that others. But regardless, it's a fucking ridiculous thing to put on a street bike.

Ah but is that not part of the appeal - look I have a race bike clutch.

Bit like launch control - stupid thing to have on a street bike .....

Hinny

30th August 2017, 03:36

Communism grabbing democracy with both hands embracing it and running with it :yes:

I thought it was State Capital - no fucking Rothschild's bank.

F5 Dave

30th August 2017, 07:22

not all bikes are racebikes. that took me a long time to learn. It is perfectly acceptable and valid and reasonable to have a motorcycle that isnt a racebike. Basically as long as it tickles your taint*, its all good.

*admit it, we all love that shit.
Of course not, but while roads have corners it would be nice not to have compromised the bike just so you can look like you are from Sons of Anallicky.

Wheelbase, steering angle, trail, and distribution of mass all massively affect handling. Bikes with a decent balance of above are just more enjoyable to ride. At least on our roads.

Drew

30th August 2017, 08:10

Of course not, but while roads have corners it would be nice not to have compromised the bike just so you can look like you are from Sons of Anallicky.

Wheelbase, steering angle, trail, and distribution of mass all massively affect handling. Bikes with a decent balance of above are just more enjoyable to ride. At least on our roads.
By that logic we should all ride identical bikes that is the best for our roads. You make no allowance for personal preference.

jellywrestler

30th August 2017, 09:10

By that logic we should all ride identical bikes that is the best for our roads. You make no allowance for personal preference.

black CX500's it is then

Ocean1

30th August 2017, 10:10

By that logic we should all ride identical bikes that is the best for our roads. You make no allowance for personal preference.

I think he's just pointing out that anyone that doesn't have an SDR chose..... poorly.

Drew

30th August 2017, 10:33

I think he's just pointing out that anyone that doesn't have an SDR chose..... poorly.

I'll not argue that.

Banditbandit

30th August 2017, 13:02

that bike is just for looking at yourself in shop windows...... Any suspension upgrade would be around $2000 - $2500 - if it needed it.

a bike like that all it needs is the exhausts raped a bit and the intake opened up.

it should have round 70hp and a flat torque curve. Perfect for blapping round town on.

Yeah - I thought it was a bit gutless for a 1200

pritch

30th August 2017, 13:13

It's true that we all have different tastes, a flick back through this thread to look at some of the pics of hideous heaps of crap/fascinating machinery will confirm that.

F5 Dave

30th August 2017, 14:56

By that logic we should all ride identical bikes that is the best for our roads. You make no allowance for personal preference.
On contrary. I feel my definition covers about 95% of bikes. But questions, heavily, the "why the fuck would you?" 5%

I would mention a Black CX500 Custom is in the top 5 worst bikes I have ever ridden.

Drew

30th August 2017, 14:59

On contrary. I feel my definition covers about 95% of bikes. But questions, heavily, the "why the fuck would you?" 5%
Reckon Harley have prolly got better than 5% market share, and I'll raise it that less than 95% of all that are here are half decent on kiwi roads.

Scubbo

30th August 2017, 15:17

http://gnear.net/salty.png

kazadi

30th August 2017, 15:17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6QppXnEY&t=14s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU_lYBHpY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU_lYBHpY

even the girls are bush pigs

Drew

30th August 2017, 15:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6QppXnEY&t=14s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU_lYBHpY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU_lYBHpY

even the girls are bush pigsYou want us to post videos of gp bikes crashing when the rider asks too much of them?

kazadi

30th August 2017, 15:48

at least they'll be out of first gear eh!

HenryDorsetCase

30th August 2017, 16:49

You want us to post videos of gp bikes crashing when the rider asks too much of them?

only if on a group ride

nzspokes

30th August 2017, 17:44

I think he's just pointing out that anyone that doesn't have an SDR chose..... poorly.

But how many SDRs make it through the warranty period?

I read a thread recently when I had thoughts of a GT that sounded like they are an endless problem......

F5 Dave

30th August 2017, 19:21

You want us to post videos of gp bikes crashing when the rider asks too much of them?
That straight line one at like 30mph, well that looked like it was asking too much.

Ocean1

30th August 2017, 19:36

But how many SDRs make it through the warranty period?

I read a thread recently when I had thoughts of a GT that sounded like they are an endless problem......

Dunno. It's a European motorcycle, in my experience the big KTMs generally match my expectations of reliability for that general class. Mine certainly has, in spite of the fact that it's a first model year machine.

But then my expectations are somewhat informed by the observation that quality is closely linked to quantity, and compared to cars the numbers for bikes are tiny, you're never going to get Toyota Corolla bulletproofness from any motorcycle.

Drew

30th August 2017, 19:41

That straight line one at like 30mph, well that looked like it was asking too much.
I didn't see a straight line crash.

Crasherfromwayback

30th August 2017, 19:42

, you're never going to get Toyota Corolla bulletproofness from any motorcycle.

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...

Drew

30th August 2017, 19:43

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...Damn it. You beat me to it.

And I would have forgotten the Yamaha range.

nzspokes

30th August 2017, 19:52

Dunno. It's a European motorcycle, in my experience the big KTMs generally match my expectations of reliability for that general class. Mine certainly has, in spite of the fact that it's a first model year machine.

But then my expectations are somewhat informed by the observation that quality is closely linked to quantity, and compared to cars the numbers for bikes are tiny, you're never going to get Toyota Corolla bulletproofness from any motorcycle.

I own a 1250 TNAB. 20,000ks and no faults so far......

This is the thread. Scary.

http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8584

Ocean1

30th August 2017, 20:20

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...

Maybe should have stuck with "European motorcycle" :laugh:.

Been friends with some of those, Suzukis in particular are mostly pretty reliable from what I've seen, but Toyota really are streets ahead.

The only thing that pisses me off about Suzuki is the finish is often not quite there. Fork chrome failure, shit like that.

Ocean1

30th August 2017, 20:25

I own a 1250 TNAB. 20,000ks and no faults so far......

This is the thread. Scary.

http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8584

Didn't read it all but it don't sound good. Interesting that most of it seemed to be the new electronics, mostly don't apply to mine.

Couple of things, though. That level of failure isn't actually that rare, in fact for non-Jap stuff it's common as fuck.

Also: try googling "product name + problem" and see what you get.

onearmedbandit

30th August 2017, 20:26

Exactly. But no Ducati clutch sounds nice like that. They sound like a bike running without any big end bearings installed

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10 f'ing blah

Owl

31st August 2017, 06:56

But how many SDRs make it through the warranty period?

Maybe not too many, but then what is acceptable? Under warranty, I had a fork seal, front brake rotors and rear hub needle bearing replaced. Clocked 50,000km the day it turned two and now at 56k.

Still grinning.:D

pritch

31st August 2017, 09:02

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...

And you left out the most reliable range of them all.

Scubbo

31st August 2017, 09:39

and you left out the most reliable range of them all.

gn125 ? ^_o honda cubs??

Crasherfromwayback

31st August 2017, 09:53

And you left out the most reliable range of them all.

There's a reason for that... :innocent:

T.W.R

31st August 2017, 10:52

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...

:laugh: plus the fact Suzuki brought the TSCC design off Fiat and Yamaha Share quite a bit with Toyota including the designing of Toyota's performance engines ;)

Drew

31st August 2017, 12:21

Shit, the GS motor is a blatant Z ripoff

Grumph

31st August 2017, 13:01

Shit, the GS motor is a blatant Z ripoff

No - it's a Z with about 12 months more thought put into it.

Kawasaki tend to stick to their mistakes.

F5 Dave

31st August 2017, 13:05

Drew

31st August 2017, 14:39

No - it's a Z with about 12 months more thought put into it.

Kawasaki tend to stick to their mistakes.

That explains so many generations of shit gearboxes on the zx range.

jasonu

31st August 2017, 15:44

The gayest looking bike I have seen in a long time.
$8500, what a joke!!!
https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/honda-fury/6287207691.html

Voltaire

31st August 2017, 16:57

Edit. Greg got a post in before me.

Drew;
Little late for that revelation isn't it?

Bloor Triumph were a rip off of GPz
Laverda SF750 a rip off early CB
Benelli Sei of CB500

Point?
Creation of the UJM. And in the process the best bikes of the time.

Yeah and the Germans and Italians were good at stealing designs too.:msn-wink:
http://www.marusholilac.com/gal092.jpg
http://dropbears.com/gallery/classic_motorcycles/images/Lilac_LS18_250cc.jpg

Crasherfromwayback

1st September 2017, 12:33

Fucking bargin!!!!

It's got three fancy air filters though...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1407541843.htm

Rowan

1st September 2017, 12:40

Fucking bargin!!!!

It's got three fancy air filters though...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1407541843.htm

What the fuck! Hahaha why the hell would you do all that to a Scorpio?

T.W.R

1st September 2017, 12:55

Haha, nice try, fuck off.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1393819011.htm

He sent out the FPO earlier today $9900 :lol: fucking head in the clouds

F5 Dave

1st September 2017, 13:01

Now this thread is back on track.
Jason. Nice find. Fury is super ghey. But to make it more so I didn't think possible.

Scorpio is a classic. And I mean classic fodder for this thread.;)

nzspokes

1st September 2017, 14:26

WTF?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1397664923.htm

HenryDorsetCase

1st September 2017, 14:31

LOL purple wasn't the only thing he was "blazing" I bet.

Racing Dave

1st September 2017, 15:16

I'm a lover of old Hondas, but this made even me feel a bit queasy.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1296618463.htm

neels

1st September 2017, 15:55

I'm a lover of old Hondas, but this made even me feel a bit queasy.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1296618463.htm

Looks really strange with the swingarm on a stupid angle, like it's hit a pothole and bent in the middle.

How many more have to die this horrible death before fashion moves on to something else....

AllanB

1st September 2017, 18:19

Looks really strange with the swingarm on a stupid angle, like it's hit a pothole and bent in the middle.

How many more have to die this horrible death before fashion moves on to something else....

I'm wondering if it has a weld on hardtail - the wheelbase looks to short to me.

Stylo

1st September 2017, 18:27

:laugh: plus the fact Suzuki brought the TSCC design off Fiat and Yamaha Share quite a bit with Toyota including the designing of Toyota's performance engines ;)

The 4 litre V8 1UZ-FE motor that Toyota designed for the LS400 back in '89 was a better motor than anything back then. 6 bolt mains, quad cam 4 valve and smoother than any Rolls Royce, Mercedes, BMW ..you name it. And more reliable , good for 800,000kms plus if maintained to the book.

T.W.R

1st September 2017, 19:46

The 4 litre V8 1UZ-FE motor that Toyota designed for the LS400 back in '89 was a better motor than anything back then. 6 bolt mains, quad cam 4 valve and smoother than any Rolls Royce, Mercedes, BMW ..you name it. And more reliable , good for 800,000kms plus if maintained to the book.

One of the European car outfits did a comparison test on used luxury cars and the LS400 made all the other vehicles in the test look stupid, and that included maintenance records from new...the only failure on the LS was a servo motor on the drivers seat :yes:
I've currently got a re-badged version of a LS300 and if it keeps going as it is I should get a pretty good run out of the bugger

Yamaha's genesis head design got used and put to good effect by Toyota. Lexus were once Toyota's luxury division before they went independent.

I have got the article somewhere amongst the hoard of books about the TSCC, but at the raw end of it all the TSCC actually stems right back to Peugeot and the classic Pentroof design; basically a 100yr+ design.

F5 Dave

1st September 2017, 21:17

As opposed to the glorious LS 400 Suzuki.
:sick:

ellipsis

1st September 2017, 22:29

Fucking bargin!!!!

It's got three fancy air filters though...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1407541843.htm

...I love little bikes, that one was quite a cool little bike in my eyes, five and a half k overpriced though...the little Deus bike is hypercool...

http://deuscustoms.com/bikes/model/cafe-scorpio/

...Ron Wood built a whole lot of flat track bikes...this is one of the coolest bikes in the universe... Rotax 600...

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=ron+wood+flat+track+racing&safe=off&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&imgil=aJFZQ__y-sw17M%253A%253BmTi8jdbiq11ZCM%253Bhttp%25253A%2525 2F%25252Fthekneeslider.com%25252Fron-wood-rotax-flat-track-motorcycles%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=aJFZQ__y-sw17M%253A%252CmTi8jdbiq11ZCM%252C_&usg=__a0MHXGZ2_SEg25IY7XTDoLMGIdc%3D&biw=1761&bih=1100&ved=0ahUKEwizxdCm34PWAhVBsZQKHVMGBqIQyjcIMg&ei=2DGpWbP5F8Hi0gTTjJiQCg#imgrc=aJFZQ__y-sw17M:

...I love little bikes...

pritch

1st September 2017, 22:45

Lexus were once Toyota's luxury division before they went independent.

The memory can be faulty, but mine says Lexus tried to create a distance from Toyota from the earliest days here. Dunno what they did in Japan.
I recall being told about the arrangements when lexus were introduced and thinking it was odd. I've seen very few in my travels.

T.W.R

1st September 2017, 22:51

The memory can be faulty, but mine says Lexus tried to create a distance from Toyota from the earliest days here. Dunno what they did in Japan.
I recall being told about the arrangements when lexus were introduced and thinking it was odd. I've seen very few in my travels.

I'm pretty sure they were as per the luxury division doing the so-called hand built top spec toyotas and yeah went independent as you say essentially to create distance from the parent company.
But hey they're cars....just a motorised box to get from point A to point B :shifty:

neels

1st September 2017, 23:48

I'm pretty sure they were as per the luxury division doing the so-called hand built top spec toyotas and yeah went independent as you say essentially to create distance from the parent company.
Lexus is owned by Toyota, just makes people who can't afford a decent spec merc or bmw feel better about the fact that they're still driving a japanese commuter. Particularly applies to americans, hence the fact that Acura doesn't exist in the rest of the world.

They do make a nice 4l v8 though.....

T.W.R

2nd September 2017, 00:02

Lexus is owned by Toyota, just makes people who can't afford a decent spec merc or bmw feel better about the fact that they're still driving a japanese commuter. Particularly applies to americans, hence the fact that Acura doesn't exist in the rest of the world.

They do make a nice 4l v8 though.....

:scratch: yeah but have gone from a production line assembly plant amongst one of Toyota's factories to an independent factory on a separate site.
:laugh: I'm sure the Saudi's etc wouldn't think they're driving just a jap commuter were the majority of the Lexus badged 100 & 120 series Landcruisers go :blink:

F5 Dave

2nd September 2017, 08:43

Ahh fuck off and find a sensible car and caravan forum .

F5 Dave

2nd September 2017, 08:49

Right. Let's start again.

Genuine reason for selling; can't ride without vomiting all over it. But I thought I'd ask nigh on 5k for it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1405497963

F5 Dave

2nd September 2017, 08:58

AllanB

2nd September 2017, 10:06

Lexus is owned by Toyota, just makes people who can't afford a decent spec merc or bmw feel better about the fact that they're still driving a japanese commuter. Particularly applies to americans, hence the fact that Acura doesn't exist in the rest of the world.

They do make a nice 4l v8 though.....

Agree - Lexus is Toyota. Set up as despite being able to produce a luxury car that could rival the European ones they were still perceived as a 'Toyota' (brand snobbery). Particularly in the USA.

Smart move really - Lexus is now perceived as a brand in it's own right.

Honda tried the same in the USA - I think they called them Saturn cars. Did not take off like Lexus.

AllanB

2nd September 2017, 10:11

How is this a cafe racer? You've taken a bunch of (and in some cases important) bits off a standard bike and fitted some plywood where the seat should be. That's it. Engine looks disgusting. Ok maybe some covers were painted, but it only makes the rest look worse.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1407367447.htm

I reckon there is more than 20% effort to finish it. Presumably the ply is a seat base - but I don't understand why the number plate is bolts to it.

AllanB

2nd September 2017, 10:13

Bug bear. Advertising as 'genuine reason for selling'

As opposed to the people who don't have a genuine reason? Heck even if you are flicking off a lemon that you suspect will lunch itself soon, you have a genuine reason to be getting rid of it!

Crasherfromwayback

2nd September 2017, 11:23

How is this a cafe racer? You've taken a bunch of (and in some cases important) bits off a standard bike and fitted some plywood where the seat should be. That's it. Engine looks disgusting. Ok maybe some covers were painted, but it only makes the rest look worse.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1407367447.htm

I dunno. I reckon it's worth twice that, as it'll sound like a Harley with those HD muffers he's got! Fuggin choice one!

Aside from how fucking queer this bike is, check the qual of some of this peanuts pics.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1403641180

nzspokes

2nd September 2017, 12:05

I fell off but paid too much for the bike and want it back.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1408074430.htm

nzspokes

2nd September 2017, 12:08

I dunno. I reckon it's worth twice that, as it'll sound like a Harley with those HD muffers he's got! Fuggin choice one!

Aside from how fucking queer this bike is, check the qual of some of this peanuts pics.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1403641180

The seat goes downhill. WTF?

Crasherfromwayback

2nd September 2017, 12:21

I fell off but paid too much for the bike and want it back.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1408074430.htm

"Bin crashed"! Too right it's ready for the bin.

pritch

2nd September 2017, 13:42

Aside from how fucking queer this bike is, check the qual of some of this peanuts pics.

Cool? Last night I watched an episode of 'The Big Bang Theory' in which Penny told Leonard that she found it amusing when he used the word "cool" incorrectly.
She'd find that turkey amusing too.

HenryDorsetCase

2nd September 2017, 14:23

But hey they're cars....just a motorised box to get from point A to point B :shifty:

Yeah man. I cant afford a proper sports car (Porsche RSR) so I judge my cars on three criteria: towbar & roofrack; how good is the AC/heater; and how good is the stereo.

AllanB

2nd September 2017, 15:26

I fell off but paid too much for the bike and want it back.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1408074430.htm

No insurance?

Fucked it.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd September 2017, 16:12

One of the nicest examples I've seen in a while. Not sure he'll fetch that for it though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Suzuki-GS-/282625425986?hash=item41cdc9c242:g:DcAAAOSwSnFZoRs t&vxp=mtr

HenryDorsetCase

2nd September 2017, 16:42

One of the nicest examples I've seen in a while. Not sure he'll fetch that for it though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Suzuki-GS-/282625425986?hash=item41cdc9c242:g:DcAAAOSwSnFZoRs t&vxp=mtr

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1403076576.htm

AllanB

2nd September 2017, 17:40

Mmmmmmm red one. Most were blue and white.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd September 2017, 17:41

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1403076576.htm

Mmmmmmm red one. Most were blue and white.

Two diff models though. I'd rather have the blue version with the clock in the dash...

F5 Dave

2nd September 2017, 17:49

I was going to say that's not a S. No clock. Paint is funny too. But maybe there are ones without. Was popular to turn Es into S. Hmm can I make out what size the rear wheel is? Carbs aren't cvs mind. Rear wheel looks big for a 17.