Optimistic sellers

[OddDuck]

Mixed feelings about this one. Dated, high mileage, but if you like your late 80's 750 Sports this'd be about as good as it gets. At the same time, since we're talking Ducati's...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1697879814.htm?rsqid=a45cd98712284cdfb2861fb1816c6 24c

[OddDuck]

and the senseless cafe racer carnage continues

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1695801686.htm?rsqid=3bc560e889d94e1bb7f325ae39675 4ba

at least it doesn't have a brown seat.

[F5 Dave]

and the senseless cafe racer carnage continues

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1695801686.htm?rsqid=3bc560e889d94e1bb7f325ae39675 4ba

at least it doesn't have a brown seat.

Now, maybe not senseless. . . I think that's what a gn125 deserves. Yamaha did the same colour scheme on the midnight special XV.s. it looked just as ghey then.

[F5 Dave]

$7.5K starting for this extensively messed with BMW

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1699227720.htm?rsqid=a45cd98712284cdfb2861fb1816c6 24c

"Bought this lovely R80 classic two yeas ago and have ridden it twice. "

Ridden it twice. I mean what sort of dork does that?

[Pound]

Ridden it twice. I mean what sort of dork does that?


Love one of his answers in the Q&A section......


"Motorcycles don't need a WOF they only need a Rego, the rego just needs to be updated at normal motorcycle rego costs."

[HenryDorsetCase]

and the senseless cafe racer carnage continues

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1695801686.htm?rsqid=3bc560e889d94e1bb7f325ae39675 4ba

at least it doesn't have a brown seat.

so much no.

[F5 Dave]

Is this really what he thinks it will go for??

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1698566696.htm?rsqid=6922df19f2b042c294c0d68f56a58 422

Now as an RZ fan I think it's cool. And clearly the 90 people who have it on their watchlist do too.

But I know how much work it will need to make it fresh and reliable (which they are from new).

[F5 Dave]

Someone has seriously devalued this but somehow thinks it is worth more as non std. Like way more than the RZ.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1686340119.htm?rsqid=6922df19f2b042c294c0d68f56a58 422

[jasonu]

Is this really what he thinks it will go for??

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1698566696.htm?rsqid=6922df19f2b042c294c0d68f56a58 422

Now as an RZ fan I think it's cool. And clearly the 90 people who have it on their watchlist do too.

But I know how much work it will need to make it fresh and reliable (which they are from new).

It's all there and not too much buggered with. I think the asking is fair.

[jasonu]

Someone has seriously devalued this but somehow thinks it is worth more as non std. Like way more than the RZ.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1686340119.htm?rsqid=6922df19f2b042c294c0d68f56a58 422

yep total shit.

[Voltaire]

$7.5K starting for this extensively messed with BMW

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1699227720.htm?rsqid=a45cd98712284cdfb2861fb1816c6 24c

"Bought this lovely R80 classic two yeas ago and have ridden it twice. "

Forks and Ohlins are probably an improvement but exhaust is pretty ugly.
Needs a brown seat, sideways plate and exhaust wrap and the price dropped about 2K to sell.

[sidecar bob]

Well I'll be proper fucked.
That Motocompo got $3650 tonight. About 2k more than it's worth to import from Japan all in.
I can do you a tidy '08 Mondeo with a towbar for that right now, no probs.

[Paulo]

speaking of ducatis, 'this is the bike they always wanted to be'
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1697680212.htm?rsqid=e07f09e916564fb5894d3e9253a8f d92

[Intruder VS]

Someone has seriously devalued this but somehow thinks it is worth more as non std. Like way more than the RZ.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1686340119.htm?rsqid=6922df19f2b042c294c0d68f56a58 422

Why do they insist on saying Lams approved, any lams bike that has had mods that change the power to weight ratio are no longer approved.

[spanner spinner]

Love one of his answers in the Q&A section......


"Motorcycles don't need a WOF they only need a Rego, the rego just needs to be updated at normal motorcycle rego costs."


Guess you only need a wof if it moves no chain solves this problem, love his solution to the no chain guard WOF fail don't fit the chain.

As per the description it's not finished which begs the question what else hasn't been done.

[OddDuck]

speaking of ducatis, 'this is the bike they always wanted to be'
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1697680212.htm?rsqid=e07f09e916564fb5894d3e9253a8f d92

Yeah he's reaching pretty hard with his description isn't he? Sheesh.

[YellowDog]

speaking of ducatis, 'this is the bike they always wanted to be'
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1697680212.htm?rsqid=e07f09e916564fb5894d3e9253a8f d92

"my wife will kill me, cause she wants to keep riding it.."

Selling your wife's most powerful vibrator, behind her back, has to be a serious mistake :yes:

[F5 Dave]

And the price is just pigshit crazy. You could buy maybe 2 VTR1000 for that and they are a much better bike. There. I said it. Hope I don't have to give my Yamaha cap back.

[WALRUS]

speaking of ducatis, 'this is the bike they always wanted to be'
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1697680212.htm?rsqid=e07f09e916564fb5894d3e9253a8f d92

I mean, 1995.. Yeah, Ducati shouldn't have bothered with that 916 and the legacy it spawned, they should have made an 850cc parallel twin with a 'bikini' fairing and a whole pile of dull styling.. Sure..

[HenryDorsetCase]

I mean, 1995.. Yeah, Ducati shouldn't have bothered with that 916 and the legacy it spawned, they should have made an 850cc parallel twin with a 'bikini' fairing and a whole pile of dull styling.. Sure..

4 grand for that TRX, sort the suspension (say $2500) and brakes (say $500) assuming the motor is good you would have a pile of fun.

[Voltaire]

4 grand for that TRX, sort the suspension (say $2500) and brakes (say $500) assuming the motor is good you would have a pile of fun.

or just buy a Ducati for 7K and not have to go on about Yamaha's forgotten fauxcati.:innocent:

[F5 Dave]

4 grand for that TRX, sort the suspension (say $2500) and brakes (say $500) assuming the motor is good you would have a pile of fun.

TM is flooded with VTR1000 at that price range. They are crying out for those mods and will dick a TRX all day. Aftermarket regulator and manual camchain tensioner for not much and they will keep going. Maybe race fairing/ tailpiece could sexy them up a bit . And hopefully disguise the fact that it's a Honda.

[HenryDorsetCase]

TM is flooded with VTR1000 at that price range. They are crying out for those mods and will dick a TRX all day. Aftermarket regulator and manual camchain tensioner for not much and they will keep going. Maybe race fairing/ tailpiece could sexy them up a bit . And hopefully disguise the fact that it's a Honda.

One of the bikes I will own before I die is an RVT1000R (but you can stick your VTR1000 up your bum)

[jellywrestler]

Someone has seriously devalued this but somehow thinks it is worth more as non std. Like way more than the RZ.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1686340119.htm?rsqid=6922df19f2b042c294c0d68f56a58 422

this model has very little value anyway, old SOHC outdated bland model that wasn't in any class of it's day, ie not 1000 750 or 550....

[WALRUS]

One of the bikes I will own before I die is an RVT1000R (but you can stick your VTR1000 up your bum)

^^ They're also valled VTR's over here. There are VTR Firestorms which are the semi naked sports tourer-esque ones and then the VTR SP1 and SP2 which are the kickarse ones from WSBK and Suzuka etc. There's one which races in my town. Sounds AMAZING!

Apparently it's an RC51 if you ask a 'Murrican.

[F5 Dave]

One of the bikes I will own before I die is an RVT1000R (but you can stick your VTR1000 up your bum)
Yeah but you won't find one for 4 grand. My comparison to the TRX stands.

[pritch]

^^ They're also valled VTR's over here. There are VTR Firestorms which are the semi naked sports tourer-esque ones and then the VTR SP1 and SP2 which are the kickarse ones from WSBK and Suzuka etc. There's one which races in my town. Sounds AMAZING!

Apparently it's an RC51 if you ask a 'Murrican.

I didn't recognise HDC's description, that may be the American version, but SP1 and SP2 I understand.

The RC thing is a standard Honda code for any racing model. The 250cc 6 cyl was RC166. RC211V referred to the racing, twenty first century, first model, V engine. The current GP bikes are designated RC213V.

[AllanB]

Ridden it twice. I mean what sort of dork does that?


Given he's swapped out the front end for no apparent reason maybe he stacked it on the first or second ride.....

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah but you won't find one for 4 grand. My comparison to the TRX stands.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1693954391.htm?rsqid=ff21050ff31041e1b91bdc81bea32 6a8


true.

I turned down a minter a couple years ago (when I think they were at their nadir value-wise) and I think they are creeping a bit.

There was one in Queenstown and by the time I had the money together in a pile he had sold it - fair nuff.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1693954391.htm?rsqid=ff21050ff31041e1b91bdc81bea32 6a8

I am sort of dithering about this one - I think it is too expensive for what it is. I suspect potentially ex race bike but dont know.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1700009281.htm?rsqid=ff21050ff31041e1b91bdc81bea32 6a8


this one looks pretty fucking tasty though.

[pritch]

this one looks pretty fucking tasty though.

I partly recall the BIKE comment from back in the day. Along the lines of, "Fully committed. If you're not, leave it."

[HenryDorsetCase]

I partly recall the BIKE comment from back in the day. Along the lines of, "Fully committed. If you're not, leave it."

they had bad fueling and snatchy AF at low throttle openings (PC3) and need a suspension rebuild. Tend to run hot too (like an RC30).

Ive always loved the look of them.. Great for a Sunday afternoon thrash I reckon. Or trackdays. 120hp not 190!

[F5 Dave]

In a different league to a poxy FartStorm, but also in price. Never ridden one, and as an ex YZF750SP owner I'm more Yamaha wsb biased. Hence my difficulties before suggesting the humble VTR was better than any Yam.

[rustys]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1693954391.htm?rsqid=ff21050ff31041e1b91bdc81bea32 6a8


true.

I turned down a minter a couple years ago (when I think they were at their nadir value-wise) and I think they are creeping a bit.

There was one in Queenstown and by the time I had the money together in a pile he had sold it - fair nuff.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1693954391.htm?rsqid=ff21050ff31041e1b91bdc81bea32 6a8

I am sort of dithering about this one - I think it is too expensive for what it is. I suspect potentially ex race bike but dont know.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1700009281.htm?rsqid=ff21050ff31041e1b91bdc81bea32 6a8


this one looks pretty fucking tasty though.

Always been a yamaha man, but the RC51 is one of the nicest and most comfortable sports bikes i have ever ridden, they handle like they are on rails, amazing torque and the sound is something else with the right pipes on, smile factor all the way. Some of the early VTR's 1000 had to small fuel tank and no range, i think the RC51 was better. That one in Porirua looks bloody mint and set up nice as well, id have that if i had some room.

[Drew]

they had bad fueling and snatchy AF at low throttle openings (PC3) and need a suspension rebuild. Tend to run hot too (like an RC30).

Ive always loved the look of them.. Great for a Sunday afternoon thrash I reckon. Or trackdays. 120hp not 190!
They are nothing special at all. Good looking bike though.

[pritch]

They are nothing special at all. Good looking bike though.

You're a hard man to please Drew.

[OddDuck]

The price is actually pretty reasonable, but...

I used to have one of these. I can laugh when it happens to other bikes. Not this time...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1701693585.htm?rsqid=560517425a9a48b3877f69a5143eb d86

Noooooooo

HDC: I think the poo-brown seats are so that when the fuck awful tyres let go at 20 degrees lean, well... you get the idea

[HenryDorsetCase]

They are nothing special at all. Good looking bike though.

incorrect. They share virtually no parts with the "cooking" model - all the motors were built by HRC and they all have Ti rods and valves becasue they are homologation specials. Every engine was built by a clone of the love child of Soichiro Honda and Pops Yoshimura in an operating theatre.

[AllanB]

Every engine was built by a clone of the love child of Soichiro Honda and Pops Yoshimura in an operating theatre.

And the seat coverings were pre-softened by full bodied virgin Japanese ladies repeatedly rubbing the leather between their oiled thighs.

[Voltaire]

And the seat coverings were pre-softened by full bodied virgin Japanese ladies repeatedly rubbing the leather between their oiled thighs.

The exhaust wrap is Kim Kardashian tampons carefully unraveled by former Samurai geishas soaked in Zero brand Horihito saki aged in captured McArthur Bourbon barrels.
https://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/619-00820448em-asian-woman-in-ethnic-clothes-driving-a-motorcycle.jpg

[husaberg]

The exhaust wrap is Kim Kardashian tampons carefully unraveled by former Samurai geishas soaked in Zero brand Horihito saki aged in captured McArthur Bourbon barrels.


The leather is made exclusively from kobe beef cattle.

[Laava]

The leather is made exclusively from kobe beef cattle.

And the paint has a deep lustrous pearl that has been mixed using the ejaculate of Ron Jeremy.

[Berries]

Wouldn't mind this in the shed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-44820977

[Drew]

incorrect. They share virtually no parts with the "cooking" model - all the motors were built by HRC and they all have Ti rods and valves becasue they are homologation specials. Every engine was built by a clone of the love child of Soichiro Honda and Pops Yoshimura in an operating theatre.
And the end result is nothing special anyway...with weak gearboxes.

[Fresh Oats]

The price is actually pretty reasonable, but...

I used to have one of these. I can laugh when it happens to other bikes. Not this time...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1701693585.htm?rsqid=560517425a9a48b3877f69a5143eb d86

Noooooooo

HDC: I think the poo-brown seats are so that when the fuck awful tyres let go at 20 degrees lean, well... you get the idea


Why all the hate for cafe racers?

[FlangMasterJ]

Why all the hate for cafe racers?

I'm with my boy Fresh Oats here. I think cafe racers are the tits.

[rambaldi]

Why all the hate for cafe racers?

Because so many of them have been done very very poorly with the owners expecting too much for their half arse work.

[Dodgy]

Yeah but you won't find one for 4 grand. My comparison to the TRX stands.

Dave, the other Dave has one. As per Dave, it has Ohlins and different silencers and tasty Harris footpegs. It is a hoot to ride. When I last rode it the suspension was waaayyy too hard and it hopped and bounced all over the road, when it was softened up a little, it was fantastic.

Quite slow compared to my R1 of the same period and one is on my list. They weren't very good as a racebike at nationals. I remember Jason McEwen trying to blow one up all the way down the back straight at Manfield cause it was too slow

[F5 Dave]

Original concept of cafe racers were to improve staid old clunkers that the British motorcycle industry peddled and strip them of weight and make them into a sports motorcycle.

That concept has been replaced by misguided styling attempts by poser beardies who won't actually ride them because they made a shitter

[neels]

I'm with my boy Fresh Oats here. I think cafe racers are the tits.
When they are done well, yes.

Unfortunately most of the ones that turn up are badly done or unfinished, often with no wof (but 'will get one no probs') for silly money, so you're paying over the odds to take a punt on someone else's bodging of what was probably a perfectly functional motorcycle.

If I wanted one I'd build it and ride it, so it seems odd when people are listing something on trademe that they literally just finished building.

[jasonu]

^^ They're also valled VTR's over here. There are VTR Firestorms which are the semi naked sports tourer-esque ones and then the VTR SP1 and SP2 which are the kickarse ones from WSBK and Suzuka etc. There's one which races in my town. Sounds AMAZING!

Apparently it's an RC51 if you ask a 'Murrican.

https://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2003-rc51-rvt-1000-sp2/6646142013.html

[pritch]

Why all the hate for cafe racers?

The crap that appears on TradeMe is mostly nothing like a cafe racer. It was originally a British phenomenon but good cafe racers can be made from bikes of any nationality.
To be fair I checked Google images and the brown seat bullshit is not confined to Enzed.

The GB400 was pretty much a factory cafe racer when standard. The vandalism perpetrated on the TradeMe heap of shit took it out of the category completely.

Just for reference I'll post a pic. If the object on TradeMe doesn't bear a family resemblance to this pic, it ain't a cafe racer at all.

[Oakie]

The crap that appears on TradeMe is mostly nothing like a cafe racer. It was originally a British phenomenon but good cafe racers can be made from bikes of any nationality.

So is the 'Triton' name on the tank a real thing or just a conjoined Triumph and Norton

[pritch]

So is the 'Triton' name on the tank a real thing or just a conjoined Triumph and Norton

That was standard for those. As was Norvin.

[Grumph]

So is the 'Triton' name on the tank a real thing or just a conjoined Triumph and Norton

I'm pretty sure Dave Degens copyrighted "Dresda Triton" as a brand name. He raced his Tritons extensively including winning the Barcelona 24hour race.
That was for production bikes - not specials.

[Woodman]

I started building a cafe racer in 1991 because cafe racers were cool and there weren't many around. Then cafe racers became seriously uncool because of brown seats, wrapped exhausts and hipster fuckwits, so I thought I would just restore the bike but it has taken that long and I am too old to care about being cool that the decision has been made to carry on with the cafe racer build. Either that or die of old age before it is finished.

[F5 Dave]

No they weren't. They were basically made obsolete by Japanese motorcycles. Specials became the new Cafe.

The Yamagama. The GSXR 7/11. CBR 6 is 9. And so forth.

[OddDuck]

The crap that appears on TradeMe is mostly nothing like a cafe racer. It was originally a British phenomenon but good cafe racers can be made from bikes of any nationality.
To be fair I checked Google images and the brown seat bullshit is not confined to Enzed.

The GB400 was pretty much a factory cafe racer when standard. The vandalism perpetrated on the TradeMe heap of shit took it out of the category completely.

Just for reference I'll post a pic. If the object on TradeMe doesn't bear a family resemblance to this pic, it ain't a cafe racer at all.

Yep. As F5 Dave said, a cafe racer was originally a standard bike modified into a short-course street racer. Think boy racing on bikes. It was the 1960's, modifying options were limited, that's where the style comes from.

Way too many of the Trademe clunkers have no idea of the heritage. All they do is mindlessly copy whatever fashion is going, and too often it's bodged. Technical skills aren't that common, neither is discipline, patience, or good taste.

Pritch - that's a seriously tasty Triton. Thanks for posting that pic.

[Voltaire]

Welcome to the KB Moaning Old Bastards Club"

https://media.makeameme.org/created/Back-in-my-mdd8xj.jpg

" we could't afford brown seats,exhaust wrap, razors or hops"


Price is reasonable.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1692958556.htm?rsqid=0652c7a3acf8441d9a895f85450d1 81d

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/822480002.jpg

[AllanB]

Price is reasonable.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1692958556.htm?rsqid=0652c7a3acf8441d9a895f85450d1 81d



It would need a certification as well for a WOF. And just look at those seat sub-frame welds .....:crazy:

[HenryDorsetCase]

some fairly underwhelming welding on that. I love those but the good ones have a chain drive so they can space the drive over and use a wider rear wheel. and that subframe has to go. Ditto the tank. Needs rearsets. The starter overrun issue I think needs a full motor teardown to repair. (someone correct me if I am wrong)

[Autech]

I'm with my boy Fresh Oats here. I think cafe racers are the tits.Sell you a GN125 with a chopped rear subframe, cheap ebay brown seat, clip ons and exhaust wrap. Ran well but battery flat now and I bashed out the baffles in the exhaust so the jetting is wrong.
Rego has lapsed due to the time it sat in my garage while I oiled my beard and realised I really have no business modifying bikes. Approx value $500 tops.

^^^ that is how the advertisement should read, below is how it usually does.

CAFE RACER
GN, goes hard sounds like a Harley.
LOTS OF HOURS AND $$$ SPENT. This is a unique bike as you can see from the photos. Reg lapsed but should get new reg and wof EASY.
$2500 or swaps for an RB.

Nothing wrong with legit cafe racers, but some of the shit on trademe and Facebook if fucked.

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[Fresh Oats]

Yep. As F5 Dave said, a cafe racer was originally a standard bike modified into a short-course street racer. Think boy racing on bikes. It was the 1960's, modifying options were limited, that's where the style comes from.

Way too many of the Trademe clunkers have no idea of the heritage. All they do is mindlessly copy whatever fashion is going, and too often it's bodged. Technical skills aren't that common, neither is discipline, patience, or good taste.

Pritch - that's a seriously tasty Triton. Thanks for posting that pic.


Let me play a little devil's advocate here for a second.
But how good were the technical skills or discipline or patience or taste of the young guys in 60's Britain that popularized this style? (genuine question)
I'd argue some hideous suzuki GN that some 18 year old made into a 'cafe racer' in his dad's garage is more of an authentic cafe racer than an $18,000 2017 Triumph Thruxton which is blatantly capitalizing on the style.
I mean I'd obviously rather the triumph but I'm just saying. If the 'heritage' is some young guys messing around and modifying their otherwise stock bikes into something they think is cool, what's more authentic, some young kid doing just that or some major motorbike company using the style to push product?

[Autech]

Let me play a little devil's advocate here for a second.
But how good were the technical skills or discipline or patience or taste of the young guys in 60's Britain that popularized this style? (genuine question)
I'd argue some hideous suzuki GN that some 18 year old made into a 'cafe racer' in his dad's garage is more of an authentic cafe racer than an $18,000 2017 Triumph Thruxton which is blatantly capitalizing on the style.
I mean I'd obviously rather the triumph but I'm just saying. If the 'heritage' is some young guys messing around and modifying their otherwise stock bikes into something they think is cool, what's more authentic, some young kid doing just that or some major motorbike company using the style to push product?Fuck off, logic has no place here!

Good point though, I think the issue on here is not the workmanship, it's asking more money for a raped bike than an original unmolested one. Hence the optimistic sellers title.
Pretty sure the original guys didn't do it for looks too, they were all trying to be ton up boys. A mid 2000 R1 does that in 1st gear now so the sentiment has changed.

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[jellywrestler]

But how good were the technical skills or discipline or patience or taste of the young guys in 60's Britain that popularized this style?

the product they started with was more solid, and simpler, so made it easier, there would have also been quite a bit of ability in those days as people made shit, repaired shit whereas now it's a lot more of a throwaway society.
Additionally the bikes of the time required a bit of work to keep on the road, most people had to do their clutch regularly, etc so knew more than the basics to start with

[Hoonicorn]

They look more like Frankenbikes than cafe racers. That Virago looks sketchy as and doesn't even have a real seat. I'd feel safer on a Benelli Leoncino or a Royal Enfield that hasn't been tampered and tinkered with by someone who apparently doesn't know what they're doing.

[jasonu]

I'm with my boy Fresh Oats here. I think cafe racers are the tits.

No, people that ride those butchered piles of crap are tits.

[F5 Dave]

Well that's the thing. They don't seem to ride them, evident of the multitude we see on th that have just been finished and are up for sale. Probably off to buy a nice car as motorcycles seem to be a bit dreadful to ride.

That xv has a nice set of forks but quickly gets progressively worse as you move back. It would be shit to ride with that seat. The welds are dreadful and the wheels are different. Bet it runs like crap too.

[OddDuck]

Let me play a little devil's advocate here for a second.
But how good were the technical skills or discipline or patience or taste of the young guys in 60's Britain that popularized this style? (genuine question)
I'd argue some hideous suzuki GN that some 18 year old made into a 'cafe racer' in his dad's garage is more of an authentic cafe racer than an $18,000 2017 Triumph Thruxton which is blatantly capitalizing on the style.
I mean I'd obviously rather the triumph but I'm just saying. If the 'heritage' is some young guys messing around and modifying their otherwise stock bikes into something they think is cool, what's more authentic, some young kid doing just that or some major motorbike company using the style to push product?

Fair questions. First, yep, you're right, young guys having a hack isn't a new thing, and yep, even at the height of the '60's there'd have been some bad work.

I can't agree with the GN125 / 250 thing, though. It's not that simple.

First - let's say that someone has done a cafe racer conversion and they've done it well. They're happy with the bike, they like riding it. Are they going to flick it on Trademe or are they going to keep it?

Second - the usual Trademe story is that the guy was stuck for cash through the entire build. The donor bike was whatever he could buy after sorting the rent, groceries and bills, then the work was whatever could be done with whatever cash was left over. It's usually the bloke's first attempt, too... like anything in life worth doing, there'll be a period of try and fail while learning before it starts to go right.

A couple of the common mods - pod filters and opened mufflers - will affect engine tuning and possibly cause serious engine damage. It is not easy or cheap to re-tune carburettors, so lots of these guys simply don't bother. The bike still starts and runs so everything's OK, right? It sounds good, or at least they tell themselves that. Doesn't quite seem to accelerate like it used to...

The end result is a crap bike. Maybe a good bike had to die along the way. Then they try to ask top dollar for it all based on a cheeky sales pitch.

Lots of self delusion, lots of hope, big dreams and castles in the sky... lots of bullshit, too.

It's really unfortunate in the end... I actually do quite like cafe racers but this garbage at the bottom end is devaluing the entire movement.

If you're after authenticity, go to a few of the bike shows, see some of the custom work that rolls up - the stuff that is not for sale. Have a talk with the bike's owners as well, if you can.

[FlangMasterJ]

Why the hate for brown seats my guys?

[F5 Dave]

Mmm, Brown. That's why they sell so many Brown Cars or Bikes.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/16/manufacturers-not-make-brown-cars-notes-queries

[FlangMasterJ]

So they can be customized but not too customized? You're a wacky bunch.

[Autech]

So they can be customized but not too customized? You're a wacky bunch.And you only just worked this out?

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[FlangMasterJ]

And you only just worked this out?

Nah figured that out years ago but it looks like it's spreading to the one's I thought were not on the 'tism spectrum.

[Voltaire]

the product they started with was more solid, and simpler, so made it easier, there would have also been quite a bit of ability in those days as people made shit, repaired shit whereas now it's a lot more of a throwaway society.
Additionally the bikes of the time required a bit of work to keep on the road, most people had to do their clutch regularly, etc so knew more than the basics to start with

My experience with 50's and 60's bikes tends to suggest that the chisel and hammer were the main special tools 'back in the day'
Going by the large tool sections at Supercheap working on vehicles is still pretty popular.
:niceone:

[AllanB]

Why the hate for brown seats my guys?


It appears to be a global thing. The hate come up on Pipeburn, BikeExif etc very frequently.

Unsure why but I suspect it is really a dislike of hipsters.

Done well the brown seat can look very good. And a bonus is that if you overcook a corner and shit yourself it does not show.

[FlangMasterJ]

Done well the brown seat can look very good.

Was it a GB400 a few pages back in like a sky blue? That looked great with a brown seat.

[jellywrestler]

Done well the brown seat can look very good. . yeah, at midnight and no other time

[pritch]

But how good were the technical skills or discipline or patience or taste of the young guys in 60's Britain that popularized this style? (genuine question)


I'd say there were a lot more skilled young people around in the sixties than there are now. The western countries have all become "services" oriented whereas back in the sixties the various trades were the predominant source of employment. Literally thousands of young Poms would have worked in motorcycle factories and dealerships. The new motorcycle factories these days are being built in Thailand and India.

One local young guy I knew, just out of school, blew his car engine, the cars in those days were much less tolerant of abuse, so he cast himself a new piston. How many guys could do that today?
OK, not too many could have done it then either. :whistle:

A tasteful factory "cafe racer" as per the Honda GB400, the Enfield (India), or the Triumph (Thailand), is vastly superior to the botch-ups on TradeMe which do not even look remotely like a cafe racer.

[Autech]

I'd say there were a lot more skilled young people around in the sixties than there are now. The western countries have all become "services" oriented whereas back in the sixties the various trades were the predominant source of employment. Literally thousands of young Poms would have worked in motorcycle factories and dealerships. The new motorcycle factories these days are being built in Thailand and India.

One local young guy I knew, just out of school, blew his car engine, the cars in those days were much less tolerant of abuse, so he cast himself a new piston. How many guys could do that today?
OK, not too many could have done it then either. :whistle:

A tasteful factory "cafe racer" as per the Honda GB400, the Enfield (India), or the Triumph (Thailand), is vastly superior to the botch-ups on TradeMe which do not even look remotely like a cafe racer.I could cast one, depending on the size I reckon a good 10 metres with my right arm.

Oh wait...


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[Banditbandit]

Let me play a little devil's advocate here for a second.
But how good were the technical skills or discipline or patience or taste of the young guys in 60's Britain that popularized this style? (genuine question)



That depends on what was done to the bike.

basic cafe racer was rear set footpegs (usually on existing frame mount points) , clip on bars, seat with a rear hump and a fly screen or even what is now called a Bikini fairing.

Then engine - cams, carbs (usually Amal monoblock to Amal concentric, or for the rich, Amal TTs - the less purist could go to Makuni carbs, which gave more speed but were not Brit manufactured), gearbox, sprockets. Two-into-one exhaust.


That took no actual skills other than the use of spanners and screwdrivers.

Next level is a mixed one - Norton featherbed frame (acknowledged as one of the best handling brit frames of the time) with Norton roadholder forks and the engine of your choice. Triton (Norton with Triumph engine) was the commonest. Or Norton/BSA. All with engine mods.

Norvin's were the most desirable - and also the most expensive (Norton frame Vincent engine).

All with engine modifications (cams, carbs, high com pistons, maybe strengthened con-rods, two-into-one exhausts)

You could also get tricky with the clutches to take the increase in power - stronger springs, larger clutches with more plates etc.

The only actual engineering type modification was the engine mounts - and many places sold them as after-market, as they did with other parts.

So a '60s cafe racer only required a it of know-how, a few spanners and screwdrivers. No-one chopped into the frames until choppers came around.

[Banditbandit]

The BSA Goldstar was a production bike that captured the look ..

http://www.classic-british-motorcycles.com/images/60BSA-DBD34-ClubmGStar-R.jpg

[F5 Dave]

See that looks great. Not my style but. . That said, after spending a couple of nights helping with Velos on the dyno I'm quite over it and am glad my 675 is very japanesesy.

[pritch]

See that looks great. Not my style but. . That said, after spending a couple of nights helping with Velos on the dyno I'm quite over it and am glad my 675 is very japanesesy.

Once upon a long time ago I'd have given my left nut for that. Strangely, although that is a thing of rare beauty, it causes not the slightest twitch in my nether regions now.

[Voltaire]

Once upon a long time ago I'd have given my left nut for that. Strangely, although that is a thing of rare beauty, it causes not the slightest twitch in my nether regions now.

They never featured on my radar, I only had eyes for this:
http://www.cmmilanese.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/35_Ducati_750_Super_Sport_.jpg

[pritch]

[QUOTE=Voltaire;1131103957]They never featured on my radar, I only had eyes for this:


Ah yes. My lust object was yellow. "Perfection dressed in tatters."

[F5 Dave]

I remember going into Bike Clinic and spotting a later 900 and thinking it was the shizel.

Then I turned 20ish and my desire contained no pesky valves and cams.

[admenk]

Strangely, although that is a thing of rare beauty, it causes not the slightest twitch in my nether regions now.

I think you can get little blue pills to sort that out :innocent:

[Banditbandit]

See that looks great. Not my style but. . That said, after spending a couple of nights helping with Velos on the dyno I'm quite over it and am glad my 675 is very japanesesy.

I'd have Gold Star - but only really as an ornament .. maybe putter round on it occasionally - just look at the small single leading shoe front brake - the handling won't be that great by modern standards. I would not even try to put it against my 650Bandit ...


They never featured on my radar, I only had eyes for this:



I lusted after an Alchemy ... frame builders were an advance on cafe racers .. and I think this is visually close to perfection ..

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gU7iX5Sdszg/UgxkntY5HFI/AAAAAAABC3w/JBMVLUWWK5w/s640/alchemy-006.jpg

[speedpro]

Seen one of them being punted very rapidly around Wanneroo. Rob Henry, kiwi ex air force TZ and bucket racer, turned engineer, designed the suspension. The Alchemy main man hails from NZ as I understand as well. A relative of Rob's. Very cool bikes IMHO

[husaberg]

Seen one of them being punted very rapidly around Wanneroo. Rob Henry, kiwi ex air force TZ and bucket racer, turned engineer, designed the suspension. The Alchemy main man hails from NZ as I understand as well. A relative of Rob's. Very cool bikes IMHO
Brook Henry i understand while a kiwi is not related. Brook approached Ken who couldn't come up with a way of having a rising rate and keeping the wheelbase short passed him on to Rob.
Hugh Anderson raced the origional canterlever RV1 which had the same bevel converted belt drive engine but in a far less pretty package and designed frame

[AllanB]

Not a fan of the body on that Alchemy

[Voltaire]

Brook Henry i understand while a kiwi is not related. Brook approached Ken who couldn't come up with a way of having a rising rate and keeping the wheelbase short passed him on to Rob.
Hugh Anderson raced the origional canterlever RV1 which had the same bevel converted belt drive engine but in a far less pretty package and designed frame

That Hugh gets around.:2thumbsup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCRAAzAz6Sw

[husaberg]

That Hugh gets around.:2thumbsup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCRAAzAz6Sw
Yip he represented England in MX as well pretty sure he did an ISDE too
Won the NZ BOTT against all sort of modern (then) bike in the early 80's on a methanol burning Egli Vincent built by Ken.
Suzuki chose him to launch the RGV250 in England too.
i Posted some stuff on him ages ago.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner?p=1130128384#post1130128384

[Dadpole]

I don't recall seeing this little gem before.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1604138614.htm?rsqid=d605d794e2f34c298a010995f84d0 cd4

Now it can't be unseen. :nya:

[Dadpole]

OR: For the young urbanite on the move https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/auction-1706420097.htm?rsqid=01688d20819843b790950fd13b6a2 f33

[jasonu]

I don't recall seeing this little gem before.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1604138614.htm?rsqid=d605d794e2f34c298a010995f84d0 cd4

Now it can't be unseen. :nya:

Now thats a fucking beauty!!!

[Laava]

I don't recall seeing this little gem before.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1604138614.htm?rsqid=d605d794e2f34c298a010995f84d0 cd4

Now it can't be unseen. :nya:

Oh, you win!
That is a superb example of a bike that has pretty much nothing going for it. And muppets are making him offers that he is turning down FFS!
Wiring , nope
Vin, nope
Certs, nope
Running, nope
It is at best suitable for parts, so maybe $300-$400 if you were generous.
I am no engineer but pretty sure no engineer would approve that frame!

[OddDuck]

I don't recall seeing this little gem before.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1604138614.htm?rsqid=d605d794e2f34c298a010995f84d0 cd4

Now it can't be unseen. :nya:

That's an absolute stunner. As Laava said - muppets are making offers - even the bloke offering a cheeky $500 is solving a problem for the seller. Take the money. Take the money and run!

[AllanB]

Oh, you win!
That is a superb example of a bike that has pretty much nothing going for it. And muppets are making him offers that he is turning down FFS!
Wiring , nope
Vin, nope
Certs, nope
Running, nope
It is at best suitable for parts, so maybe $300-$400 if you were generous.
I am no engineer but pretty sure no engineer would approve that frame!


But the seller said no expense has been spared ........ then says he/she knows nothing about motorcycles. Clearly.

I blame OCC for that GN.

[WALRUS]

But it comes with a rusty, old chain in a plastic box.. That's an additional $2k right there!

[Laava]

This is bloody silly. Someone needs a slap. Sorry if it has been posted before...
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1601499390.htm?rsqid=a7092a16cc4c499eb2beb4a4f12bf 41c

[Navy Boy]

This is bloody silly. Someone needs a slap. Sorry if it has been posted before...
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1601499390.htm?rsqid=a7092a16cc4c499eb2beb4a4f12bf 41c

Nope - I'm with you. I just don't 'Get' it clearly...

:wacko:

[Voltaire]

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/769654560.jpg

I quite like it, reminds me of when I stuffed an XR200 motor in my S100.....what a sleeper that was.

I wonder if a 350 would fit for classic racing?

Its good to see that there are still guys who like to work on bikes instead of just taking them into the dealers for everything.

I wonder if I could get 10K for my BMW cafe racer if I got it road legal?

Clearly the seat colour and exhaust would need attention...:lol:

I actually won money on this at Paeroa.:rolleyes:


337634

[OddDuck]

This is bloody silly. Someone needs a slap. Sorry if it has been posted before...
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1601499390.htm?rsqid=a7092a16cc4c499eb2beb4a4f12bf 41c

I'm with you on this one Laava, that is just ridiculous. Best out of 146 entrants at the DGR? Really?

[AllanB]

The little CB is a Distinguished Gentleman's ride. This is the look - modified, somewhat quirky, but fun. If you picture a guy wearing a tweed suit and a open face helmet tooling around on it with a big grin on his face you'll smile as well.

I'm most interested in the tank work - the seams are gone but there is clearly a ding on the right side under the Honda badge. Which makes me wonder if the seams have just been bogged up.

And fucks sake - add a foot peg rubber and switch block if you are selling it - Jesus they don't even have to match!

[FJRider]

But it comes with a rusty, old chain in a plastic box.. That's an additional $2k right there!

Fitting a chain onto it could be an interesting exercise. It would need to be a lot longer than the one in the box. And with no certainty of proper alignment/adjustment either. Just getting to see if it runs would be an interesting exercise. Judging by the cobwebs (and flat front tire) ... it's been sitting for a while.

For a "No expense spared" motorcycle ... there is a lot of broken/missing/rusty/scratched parts. :rolleyes:

There has been plenty of motorcycles built (assembled from the wreckers parts bin) and the put on trademe (for a stupid price) over the years ... that are never going on the highway legally ... :killingme

[YellowDog]

This is bloody silly. Someone needs a slap. Sorry if it has been posted before...
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1601499390.htm?rsqid=a7092a16cc4c499eb2beb4a4f12bf 41c

Don't you just love the outstanding carpentry skills. He needs to patent that design PDQ, before Suzuki gets a hold of it and makes a mint.

I've always said there's not enough wood on bikes. This one must be the 'Vanden Plas' version.

I just hope it has been sprayed for Bora and it doesn't catch fire :shit:

[Voltaire]

Be interesting to see some KB bike builds.....:laugh:

[Dadpole]

Looks like the seller came to his senses before the hacksaw made an appearance. https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1707388077.htm?rsqid=34a2986055324f8ba5f453f519cec 5fa

[AllanB]

Be interesting to see some KB bike builds.....:laugh:


Chances are we are!

[Voltaire]

Chances are we are!

As they say...pictures or it never happened.:innocent:

[YellowDog]

Looks like the seller came to his senses before the hacksaw made an appearance. https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1707388077.htm?rsqid=34a2986055324f8ba5f453f519cec 5fa

Really like that one :2thumbsup

[Banditbandit]

I don't recall seeing this little gem before.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1604138614.htm?rsqid=d605d794e2f34c298a010995f84d0 cd4

Now it can't be unseen. :nya:

And he wants money for that ???

[rustys]

And he wants money for that ???

WHO !!!! would be silly enough to buy it ???? UNF##Kenbelivable and would'nt take $850, Dumbarse.
This Board on KB is one of my favorites i get so many laughs out of it. It stagers me what some people are trying to sell and describe, love the comments even on Trade Me and on here. But like the old saying goes someones junk is another mans treasure.

[Fresh Oats]

I don't recall seeing this little gem before.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1604138614.htm?rsqid=d605d794e2f34c298a010995f84d0 cd4

Now it can't be unseen. :nya:

What a piece of shit.
Not taking into account anything else that needs doing, the rego alone wouldn't be anywhere near worth it.

[Banditbandit]

$15 Grand??? Tell 'em he's dreaming ...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1694280739.htm?rsqid=1502aa676dd442e7abbf123b9323d cd9

[Banditbandit]

Looks like there is a new importer in Walkworth

Wants top dollar too ..

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=5442828

[WALRUS]

Oh there are some very pretty things listed there though.. I mean, I'm slightly biased but still

[Voltaire]

Looks like there is a new importer in Walkworth

Wants top dollar too ..

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=5442828

He has some nice bikes.

Your now paying the global price as shipping is easy and cheap these days.

The three at the lower end are good buys.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/787945297.jpg

Interesting bikes have gone up quite a bit in the last 10 years, the porridge not so much.

[sidecar bob]

Looks like there is a new importer in Walkworth

Wants top dollar too ..

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=5442828

Lovely chap too. He's angling for my antique MV when the time is right for both of us.

[YellowDog]

Be interesting to see some KB bike builds.....:laugh:

There's an old saying, who ever smelt it, dealt it!

Some of these great finds are the sellers testing the water, with the brethren :lol:

[Voltaire]

There's an old saying, who ever smelt it, dealt it!

Some of these great finds are the sellers testing the water, with the brethren :lol:



There is a good reason why I only run classified when selling bikes, to avoid the dumb questions and comments. Real buyers phone text

messages are ignored as they could their Mum to ring.

Still waiting to see any KB builds....:violin:

[AllanB]

Looks like there is a new importer in Walkworth

Wants top dollar too ..

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=5442828


He has a good eye. And market wise the pricing appears about right if he can wait for the right buyer.

Funny while looking at a lot of those old bikes I was thinking it was ironic as back then I could not afford one and even 30 odd years later I still can't!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Awwwww shit.

Now I feel bad


I think this is the best bike currently available for sale on tardme and you might expect offers in the $3 - $4k range. You might expect them.... but you might not get them.
henrydorsetcase (434 434 positive feedback) 11:50 am, Mon 23 Jul


A. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I love positive people. I love kindness of spirit. I love the belief that we should leave the planet better than we found it. BUY THE BIKE OR DON"T BUY THE BIKE PEOPLE BUT STAY POSITIVE LIKE HENRY AS LIFE IS TOO SHORT : )

[Dadpole]

Awwwww shit.

Now I feel bad

Think how much worse you would feel if you saw it out on the road one day (I know that would never happen though)

At least we know who to 'donate' the remains to when a project turns to shit...

[AllanB]

I feel sorry for the charity the money is going to...

Interesting crowd if you Google them. Sounds a bit new age hippy.

[Dadpole]

They will be a bit new age unhappy when they realise they are lumbered with the tip fees.

[Honest Andy]

They will be a bit new age unhappy when they realise they are lumbered with the tip fees.

No tip fees for that, just bend it in half and pop it in the recycling bin this thursday...

[pritch]

No tip fees for that, just bend it in half and pop it in the recycling bin this thursday...

I was thinking that a lot of the stuff we see here would be best on a Cold Kiwi bonfire. Of course they'd be incapable of getting there under their own steam.

[Voltaire]

By the recent examples this is a bargain.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1715568346.htm?rsqid=28724e8036964a53969ee85e7c1dc d5d
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/842200080.jpg
I'd put the frame, forks and wheel on TM and build up the bike as a 57 Triumph.:laugh:

[F5 Dave]

What a waste of fucking time.

[YellowDog]

What a waste of fucking time.

Someone bought it :wacko:

[AllanB]

Someone bought it :wacko:

$4.5k

Whats the engine and work worth? Plus the rest. I don't know but there has been money spent. And a lot more to go!

[Voltaire]

there is enough rolling chassis Thunderbird, engine and box to make that worthwhile plus all that custom shit can be flogged off for good money to other hackers and bodgers. Hack a Honda not a Triumph ( hmmm make a good t shirt)

[Drew]

. Hack a Honda not a Triumph ( hmmm make a good t shirt)
Seems backwards. The Honda is already built to a decent standard .

[Voltaire]

Seems backwards. The Honda is already built to a decent standard .

Its more to do with the numbers made and nostalgia than engineering.:innocent:

I've just finished reading Edward Turners Biography, he was the Manager of Triumph from the 30's to the late 60's.
He went to Japan in 1960 and was blown away by the air conditioned factory's, modern assembly methods, extremely high standards and build.
His comment was there will probably be no British motorcycle industry in 25 years.
He went to Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha.They relied on the fact that the Japanese only made at the time under 500 cc bikes so not a threat.

What was interesting is that he was a skilled engineer both on paper and on the shop floor and test rode bikes at random.
He also designed a square 4 engine that turned up later as a Suzuki layout as well as the Speed Twin that led to the Bonneville.

[jellywrestler]

as well as the Speed Twin that led to the Bonneville. and then they added a cylinder to that to become the trident and then they added a cylinder to that that was the quadrant.
from 1938 they didn't pick up a clean sheet of paper to design a new model, just altered the old prewar one a bit more.

[Laava]

and then they added a cylinder to that to become the trident and then they added a cylinder to that that was the quadrant.
from 1938 they didn't pick up a clean sheet of paper to design a new model, just altered the old prewar one a bit more.

Still working for HD?

[YellowDog]

$4.5k

Whats the engine and work worth? Plus the rest. I don't know but there has been money spent. And a lot more to go!

Has to be a con. Why would you pay $4.5k, when the reserve was so much lower, at $3k - FFS :wacko:

[Banditbandit]

Has to be a con. Why would you pay $4.5k, when the reserve was so much lower, at $3k - FFS :wacko:

That's called Free Market competition - more than one person wanted it - and were prepared to pay for it ..



And because a rebuilt one goes for stupid money ..

$29,500 ... asking ..

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1712465717.htm?rsqid=4205656855814922bc8593265eca6 1a6

[HenryDorsetCase]

Its more to do with the numbers made and nostalgia than engineering.:innocent:

I've just finished reading Edward Turners Biography, he was the Manager of Triumph from the 30's to the late 60's.
He went to Japan in 1960 and was blown away by the air conditioned factory's, modern assembly methods, extremely high standards and build.
His comment was there will probably be no British motorcycle industry in 25 years.
He went to Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha.They relied on the fact that the Japanese only made at the time under 500 cc bikes so not a threat.

What was interesting is that he was a skilled engineer both on paper and on the shop floor and test rode bikes at random.
He also designed a square 4 engine that turned up later as a Suzuki layout as well as the Speed Twin that led to the Bonneville.

is it this one? I could totally add to the pile of books beside the bed..... https://www.bookdepository.com/Edward-Turner/9781787110502

[pritch]

And because a rebuilt one goes for stupid money ..

$29,500 ... asking ..



Now that looks lovely, but things like that are better in my memory than in my garage.

[Voltaire]

and then they added a cylinder to that to become the trident and then they added a cylinder to that that was the quadrant.
from 1938 they didn't pick up a clean sheet of paper to design a new model, just altered the old prewar one a bit more.

Other than the 350/500 unit construction which was a new design and that not the 650 led to the Trident 3x 250cc and the less than successful but in retrospect quite cool scooter the Tigress.
The Brits didn't really come off to well post war, owed lots to the Americans and missed out on the Marshall Plan.
The Norton Commando was a stop gap measure using an enlarged 500 and amazingly went on to sell over 50 000 units, not bad for a company on the bones of its arse before closing in the mid to late 70's
Triumph lurched thru the 70's with a very outdated pre war design.
BSA went bust
Most of the others closed shop earlier than that.

[F5 Dave]

and then they added a cylinder to that to become the trident and then they added a cylinder to that that was the quadrant.
from 1938 they didn't pick up a clean sheet of paper to design a new model, just altered the old prewar one a bit more.

You raise an interesting point. Maybe their stationary budget didn't allow for that sort of extravagance. ;)

[jellywrestler]

Still working for HD?

maybe but roadwhales do nothing for me

[F5 Dave]

Other than the 350/500 unit construction which was a new design and that not the 650 led to the Trident 3x 250cc and the less than successful but in retrospect quite cool scooter the Tigress.
The Brits didn't really come off to well post war, owed lots to the Americans and missed out on the Marshall Plan.
The Norton Commando was a stop gap measure using an enlarged 500 and amazingly went on to sell over 50 000 units, not bad for a company on the bones of its arse before closing in the mid to late 70's
Triumph lurched thru the 70's with a very outdated pre war design.
BSA went bust
Most of the others closed shop earlier than that.

They had to export their way out of debt and their shit box cars were largely unsuitable for the Mercan market. The entrenchment of that predicament closed the door on significant reinvestment. It's also the mindset of the Poms to think of themselves as superior. Thus many young men have lost their lives walking into battle wearing red coats with a Shoot me here white target painted on them or some such blunder.

[F5 Dave]

So I was doing some quick thinking on the inside of my head. Maybe with hindsight, at the end of the war Britain could have declared war on the US claiming they had their nuclear weapons readying in, well, lets say Northern Ireland. I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Oh Begorrah I'll be cast into the pits of Palmerston North for that.

[Paul in NZ]

You raise an interesting point. Maybe their stationary budget didn't allow for that sort of extravagance. ;)

Well that's not quite true....

Triumph were owned by BSA in the 50's and new designs were tried but didn't really hit the spot. Real 'almost' bikes...

Tiger cubs/terrier spawned the C15 etc. But they all had more issues than Life magazine really...
Sunbeam tried to make a british BMW in the S7/S8
Ariel followed their own star into 2 strokes and small bikes... and eventual death
AMC insisted on building their own 2 stroke when the Villiers one was better (that's not saying much)
Norton designed and nearly built a DOHC 4 but it was cheaper to get a extra 1/4 bhp out of the old Manx
BSA built a modern 250 racer but the board insisted it had to win on its first outing - no one could promise that so they cut it up.

The small makers really showed the way Metisse and CCM later on but again they all had issues

The real issue was the brits spent money on stupid shit people 'said' they wanted and were so slow making it that it was an epic fail. (bathtub enclosures and scooters) then when they DID change stuff it was the wrong stuff... The OIF frame move being a classic. There was really nothing wrong with how a 1970 T120R looked - the problem was the 1938 engine... The trident 'could' have been a step up but they made it look hideous by hiring in a design agency rather that fixing the engineering...

[Grumph]

And they're still making stupid shit. Has anyone else looked at pics of the new CCM range and thought Fuck, all hipsters must die ?

[jasonu]

from 1938 they didn't pick up a clean sheet of paper to design a new model, just altered the old prewar one a bit more.

Hardly Doodleson have been doing that since forever.

[Woodman]

And they're still making stupid shit. Has anyone else looked at pics of the new CCM range and thought Fuck, all hipsters must die ?

Had to google them. 18,000 pounds, but each one has a part off a real Spitfire.

[pritch]

Had to google them. 18,000 pounds, but each one has a part off a real Spitfire.

Shit oh dear! They used to make MotoX bikes, that thing is horrible.

[Grumph]

Had to google them. 18,000 pounds, but each one has a part off a real Spitfire.

I know where there's a dumped Triumph Spitfire if you want Spitfire parts...They've actually based a four or five bike range around that POS.
I really can't decide which one is the worst.

[Voltaire]

I know where there's a dumped Triumph Spitfire if you want Spitfire parts...They've actually based a four or five bike range around that POS.
I really can't decide which one is the worst.

Triumph Spitfire....Mr Michell would have been turning over in his grave with that name/car combo.

Its like the Chev Impala, Elephant would have been a better name.

[AllanB]

And because a rebuilt one goes for stupid money ..

$29,500 ... asking ..



Shit that is nice though. Can't say the same for the Commy - yeah I know what it is just never liked the block look with all the add on plastic.

[F5 Dave]

And they're still making stupid shit. Has anyone else looked at pics of the new CCM range and thought Fuck, all hipsters must die ?
No I haven't, but I'll take that as a warning not to, but Yes to the 2nd question in isolation of any further reasons strengthening the case for Hipocide TM

[jellywrestler]

Had to google them. 18,000 pounds, but each one has a part off a real Spitfire.

looks like a recently fucked bum....

[AllanB]

looks like a recently fucked bum....

That's a pretty good description of it.

[YellowDog]

looks like a recently fucked bum....

Thou art a poet of esteem & distinction :laugh:

[husaberg]

And they're still making stupid shit. Has anyone else looked at pics of the new CCM range and thought Fuck, all hipsters must die ?
If CCM are going to use Spitfire parts at least they should be BSA ones in keeping with CCM's BSA roots:shifty:
http://d39jj55bl6wreq.cloudfront.net/image-thumb?w=534&h=345&p=/files/lot-images/SA-0000336/1.jpghttps://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/new/10250023.jpg

[Voltaire]

If CCM are going to use Spitfire parts at least they should be BSA ones in keeping with CCM's BSA roots:shifty:
http://d39jj55bl6wreq.cloudfront.net/image-thumb?w=534&h=345&p=/files/lot-images/SA-0000336/1.jpghttps://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/new/10250023.jpg

Doesn't BSA mean Bloody Sore Arse?

[HenryDorsetCase]

And they're still making stupid shit. Has anyone else looked at pics of the new CCM range and thought Fuck, all hipsters must die ?


and the prices!!!

[jasonu]

Doesn't BSA mean Bloody Sore Arse?

or bastards stop anywhere

[pritch]

That CCM MotoX bike #57 makes me feel just a bit nostalgic for my old Cheney BSA 500MX which looked very similar. Not nearly so nostalgic that I'd want to own one again though thanks.

[husaberg]

That CCM MotoX bike #57 makes me feel just a bit nostalgic for my old Cheney BSA 500MX which looked very similar. Not nearly so nostalgic that I'd want to own one again though thanks.
Cheney's did look nicer IMO

[Fresh Oats]

That's called Free Market competition - more than one person wanted it - and were prepared to pay for it ..



And because a rebuilt one goes for stupid money ..

$29,500 ... asking ..

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1712465717.htm?rsqid=4205656855814922bc8593265eca6 1a6

It was made in 1957 and yet it's done less than 1,000km's?
That's not a motorcycle, it's a statue. A very very expensive statue.

I could buy a BMW R Nine T for that and have 10 grand left over. If I wanted a good looking old-school bike I could spend $5K on a Honda CX500 and another couple grand on doing it up, have a super sexy bike and over $20K left over.
Hell, I could buy this https://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/outdoor-garden-conservatory/sculptures-garden-ornaments/garden-sculpture/listing-1715578996.htm?rsqid=36a156e9cb0f401199241045da543 cc5 and save myself 24 grand (and I wouldn't need to drive all the way to Hastings to pick it up).

[pritch]

If I wanted a good looking old-school bike I could spend $5K on a Honda CX500 and another couple grand on doing it up, have a super sexy bike and over $20K left over.


A super sexy CX500? That'll be a hard sell. The last guy I saw on one of those greeted me with, "I'm too old to be cool".

[Fresh Oats]

A super sexy CX500? That'll be a hard sell. The last guy I saw on one of those greeted me with, "I'm to old to be cool".

Mate. A CX500 done up in a brat/cafe racer style way is hands down, by far, no questions asked thee coolest, most sexy motorbike on this planet. Period.

http://www.lakic.com/uploads/products/images/bt-01-blacktrack-motors-6083-sebastiennunes-1280x800c.jpg

Look at it! ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you can be 40, 104 or 27 (in my case) you will look cool as fark on that thing.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1221/8168/articles/Screen_Shot_2559-04-25_at_5.47.15_PM.png?v=1463989133

Gorgeous.

https://cdn-2.returnofthecaferacers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/honda-CX500-caferacer-6.jpg

It's a piece of art that thing. The way the engine just seemingly hangs from the frame, the shape of the gas tank and of course that unique cylinder config with it sticking out the way it does. Oooo mate..

It's my next bike after I finish doing up my yamaha and it will be one I will absolutely not be selling ever.

[jasonu]

Mate. A CX500 done up in a brat/cafe racer style way is hands down, by far, no questions asked thee coolest, most sexy motorbike on this planet. Period.

http://www.lakic.com/uploads/products/images/bt-01-blacktrack-motors-6083-sebastiennunes-1280x800c.jpg

Look at it! ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you can be 40, 104 or 27 (in my case) you will look cool as fark on that thing.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1221/8168/articles/Screen_Shot_2559-04-25_at_5.47.15_PM.png?v=1463989133

Gorgeous.

https://cdn-2.returnofthecaferacers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/honda-CX500-caferacer-6.jpg

It's a piece of art that thing. The way the engine just seemingly hangs from the frame, the shape of the gas tank and of course that unique cylinder config with it sticking out the way it does. Oooo mate..

It's my next bike after I finish doing up my yamaha and it will be one I will absolutely not be selling ever.

The tank badge is on crooked.

[F5 Dave]

Jesus you have no taste.

[jellywrestler]

Mate. A CX500 done up in a brat/cafe racer style way is hands down, by far, no questions asked thee coolest, most sexy motorbike on this planet. Period.



It's a piece of art that thing. The way the engine just seemingly hangs from the frame, the shape of the gas tank and of course that unique cylinder config with it sticking out the way it does. Oooo mate..

It's my next bike after I finish doing up my yamaha and it will be one I will absolutely not be selling ever. i'm picking someone shook you when you were a baby?

[pritch]

The boys back at Mandello Del Lario might get their noses out of joint about that "unique cylinder config" remark. :whistle:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Mate. A CX500 done up in a brat/cafe racer style way is hands down, by far, no questions asked thee coolest, most sexy motorbike on this planet. Period.


It's a piece of art that thing. The way the engine just seemingly hangs from the frame, the shape of the gas tank and of course that unique cylinder config with it sticking out the way it does. Oooo mate..

It's my next bike after I finish doing up my yamaha and it will be one I will absolutely not be selling ever.

motherfucker put down the crack pipe.

[WALRUS]

of course that unique cylinder config with it sticking out the way it does. Oooo mate..

You've obviously never heard of Moto Guzzi.. That's fair.. They're a pretty new, modern company..


It's my next bike after I finish doing up my yamaha and it will be one I will absolutely not be selling ever.

Good... You can keep it..

[Paulo]

Mate. A CX500 done up in a brat/cafe racer style way is hands down, by far, no questions asked thee coolest, most sexy motorbike on this planet. Period.

http://www.lakic.com/uploads/products/images/bt-01-blacktrack-motors-6083-sebastiennunes-1280x800c.jpg

Look at it! ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you can be 40, 104 or 27 (in my case) you will look cool as fark on that thing.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1221/8168/articles/Screen_Shot_2559-04-25_at_5.47.15_PM.png?v=1463989133

Gorgeous.

https://cdn-2.returnofthecaferacers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/honda-CX500-caferacer-6.jpg

It's a piece of art that thing. The way the engine just seemingly hangs from the frame, the shape of the gas tank and of course that unique cylinder config with it sticking out the way it does. Oooo mate..

It's my next bike after I finish doing up my yamaha and it will be one I will absolutely not be selling ever.

yeah nah nah , sorry bud it's still never going to be a GUZZI no matter how much customizing you do it will still be underpowered and sound like a sustained wet fart. (i am biased though)

[Banditbandit]

Mate. A CX500 done up in a brat/cafe racer style way is hands down, by far, no questions asked thee coolest, most sexy motorbike on this planet. Period.

Look at it! ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you can be 40, 104 or 27 (in my case) you will look cool as fark on that thing.


Gorgeous.


It's a piece of art that thing. The way the engine just seemingly hangs from the frame, the shape of the gas tank and of course that unique cylinder config with it sticking out the way it does. Oooo mate..

It's my next bike after I finish doing up my yamaha and it will be one I will absolutely not be selling ever.


Naaa .. not cool. And the last CX I rode I could not make the piece of shit turn against the spin - no lean at all .. no thank you ..


Jesus you have no taste.


i'm picking someone shook you when you were a baby?

They are right ...

[WALRUS]

Welp, it looks like we're all wrong.

The sexiest bike ever isn't a 916, a Britten V1000, a Bimota V-Due, MV Agusta Brutale Dragster, NSR500, original MV Augusta F4, Vincent Black Shadow or anything like that.. It's a knackered, old Honda twin with a silly seat :bleh:



In all seriousness, each to their own. You can spend your money on whatever you want to ;)

[sidecar bob]

Naaa .. not cool. And the last CX I rode I could not make the piece of shit turn against the spin - no lean at all .. no thank you ..





They are right ...

Oh fuckin please, I've done more Kay's on shaft drive bikes with North South cranks than anything else.
What you speak of is either 100 percent imagined, or is a problem with chassis set up & it's convenient to blame the lay out.
Are you aware that the clutch & gearbox on a CX spin in the opposite direction to the crankshaft, in order to cancel out torque reaction & also your theory.

[Drew]

Oh fuckin please, I've done more Kay's on shaft drive bikes with North South cranks than anything else.
What you speak of is either 100 percent imagined, or is a problem with chassis set up & it's convenient to blame the lay out.
Are you aware that the clutch & gearbox on a CX spin in the opposite direction to the crankshaft, in order to cancel out torque reaction & also your theory.
I used to pedal my CX pretty hard, never noticed the inertia or torque. Even when doing wheelies.

[Moi]

The café look doesn't appeal to me - okay, I'll wash my mouth out later with some merlot - so if I was to have a CX, I'd have this...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1710067866.htm?rsqid=18be0279b9714232af6df391a683d 9ea

About to wonder off and find a merlot...

[AllanB]

BikeExif have images of some excellent CX builds - also a lemon or two (I still cannot undo seeing the one with tank etc made of actual stone)

Anyway, some cool as hell ones (Ed Turner is a fav) but no way in hell you will build one of that quality for under NZ$7k mate.

The ones you get hard over most likely have had three times that sunk into rebuild the engines, modifying and building/buying bloody expensive parts.

Pop onto the Motogadet website and price up the parts they all use as a budget starter (speedo, electrics, switches, turn signals etc) there is your $2k spent right there.

Add a entire front end off something modern......... oh that will need custom trees to hold the forks.

Or build a shitter like most of the ones on Trademe then advertise it for what a decent build would cost!

[Fresh Oats]

The boys back at Mandello Del Lario might get their noses out of joint about that "unique cylinder config" remark. :whistle:

Semantics.


yeah nah nah , sorry bud it's still never going to be a GUZZI no matter how much customizing you do it will still be underpowered and sound like a sustained wet fart. (i am biased though)

I'm fine with this.


Welp, it looks like we're all wrong.

The sexiest bike ever isn't a 916, a Britten V1000, a Bimota V-Due, MV Agusta Brutale Dragster, NSR500, original MV Augusta F4, Vincent Black Shadow or anything like that.. It's a knackered, old Honda twin with a silly seat :bleh:



In all seriousness, each to their own. You can spend your money on whatever you want to ;)

Definitely each to their own. But I'm not a fan of the sports bike/90% fairing look at all. Especially the old school ones (and especially the ones with square headlights *gags*).
I much prefer a minimalist look (obviously). I mean why would you want to cover up an engine and hide it? Especially a gorgeous one. Leave that for cars to do.

It's so much cooler (and sexier IMO) for the main focal point of the bike to be the engine, and to a secondary degree the gas tank, without all this added 'fluff'.
I mean at the end of the day what makes a motorbike 'cool'? It's the idea that it's perceived as scary and/or dangerous. It's just a rider, an engine, speed and two wheels. That's what makes motorbikes cool. That's why mums wont let their 16 year olds get one (unless you're my mum, thanks mum). Soo, in saying that, arguitively speaking a minimalist approach is 'cooler' than one where the engine and everything is all covered up and it's a big bulking ball of plastic. It's borderline fact at this point. :P


BikeExif have images of some excellent CX builds - also a lemon or two (I still cannot undo seeing the one with tank etc made of actual stone)

Anyway, some cool as hell ones (Ed Turner is a fav) but no way in hell you will build one of that quality for under NZ$7k mate.

The ones you get hard over most likely have had three times that sunk into rebuild the engines, modifying and building/buying bloody expensive parts.

Pop onto the Motogadet website and price up the parts they all use as a budget starter (speedo, electrics, switches, turn signals etc) there is your $2k spent right there.

Add a entire front end off something modern......... oh that will need custom trees to hold the forks.

Or build a shitter like most of the ones on Trademe then advertise it for what a decent build would cost!

Yea I know it wont be cheap don't worry. It's my dream bike, no detail will be left unturned and that's the fun part, doing something up to a high standard over a period of time.
It's like a painting or something. The more work and detail you put in, the better the result, and I'd be going for perfection. Nothing crazy like that Ed Turner one mind you, I do really like the tank of the CX500.

[F5 Dave]

Ok when I was a teenager I had some pretty silly ideas about what was a good bike. I was wrong.

Blag a ride on something plain Jane but made near this century like an SV650 or even something nice and you will lose interest in CXs pretty quick. Styling is subjective but riding bikes should be for fun not just posing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

BikeExif have images of some excellent CX builds - also a lemon or two (I still cannot undo seeing the one with tank etc made of actual stone)

Anyway, some cool as hell ones (Ed Turner is a fav) but no way in hell you will build one of that quality for under NZ$7k mate.

The ones you get hard over most likely have had three times that sunk into rebuild the engines, modifying and building/buying bloody expensive parts.

Pop onto the Motogadet website and price up the parts they all use as a budget starter (speedo, electrics, switches, turn signals etc) there is your $2k spent right there.

Add a entire front end off something modern......... oh that will need custom trees to hold the forks.

Or build a shitter like most of the ones on Trademe then advertise it for what a decent build would cost!

I reckon if you were paying someone you would have not less than thirty grand in something decent. Full motor rebuild, paint, induction and exhaust. Frame modification (note all of those CX's have had it done - its why they look good... all the shit ones on tardme have the stock curly tube dropped subframe. Dont forget to legally use it on the road it needs to be certified LVV) custom tank custom front end, custom instruments custom wheels and brakes. And then you have an uncomfortable 40 hp bike that is worth one third of what it owes you.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's so much cooler (and sexier IMO) for the main focal point of the bike to be the engine, and to a secondary degree the gas tank, without all this added 'fluff'.
I mean at the end of the day what makes a motorbike 'cool'? It's the idea that it's perceived as scary and/or dangerous. It's just a rider, an engine, speed and two wheels. That's what makes motorbikes cool. That's why mums wont let their 16 year olds get one (unless you're my mum, thanks mum). Soo, in saying that, arguitively speaking a minimalist approach is 'cooler' than one where the engine and everything is all covered up and it's a big bulking ball of plastic. It's borderline fact at this point. :P


Son, you need a Harley

[Fresh Oats]

Ok when I was a teenager I had some pretty silly ideas about what was a good bike. I was wrong.

Blag a ride on something plain Jane but made near this century like an SV650 or even something nice and you will lose interest in CXs pretty quick. Styling is subjective but riding bikes should be for fun not just posing.

Sure but I have owned bikes in the past that were brand new. Had a ninja for a couple years before it got stolen. I rode that thing 550km's between Wellington and Hamilton 6 times a year for 3 years.
Even though that was a brand new, modern sports bike, I can comfortably say that the 1992 Yamaha I currently own is far more comfortable to ride. The gear ratios are better, the ride is smoother and my ass doesn't feel like fire after a hundred k's. I much prefer riding this old thing than my ninja, even though the ninja had decent brakes whereas the brakes on this thing are sluggish and god awful. Obviously neither is a CX but my point is that just because something's modern doesn't mean it's necessarily better to ride. I mean you are right, it could be god awful and I could hate riding it. I've never ridden one (because who has a spare CX500 laying around they're gonna let me have a go on? noone) so I don't know. But I'd already be modifying it anyway, it would just mean the first thing that gets changed out would be the shocks.



Son, you need a Harley

Eww god no.

[Laava]

Son, you need a Harley

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1718132593

[YellowDog]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1718132593

Fuksake man :(

Sometimes, taking a rifle and shooting people is OK :mad:

[Drew]

Eww god no.
Well since they're pretty much the most coveted 'tracker' ever, you're not being very charitable.

Never has a CX ever looked as cool as this.

[sidecar bob]

Well since they're pretty much the most coveted 'tracker' ever, you're not being very charitable.

Never has a CX ever looked as cool as this.

Or this
http://www.thedrive.com/motorcycles/21574/indian-ftr-1200-confirmed-for-production-arriving-in-2019
Cool thing is you can get in a line to buy one of these & then ride it on the road.
Unlike a genuine XR750

[F5 Dave]

The GPX250 was sold in the late 80s as a cheap learner bike dressed up to ape it's larger Sportbike siblings. Kawasaki has been rehashing the concept for the last 30 years with a facelift/name change, slight bore job, injection etc. And some Ninja stickers. Wow.

While everyone was hooking around on 2 Strokes or 550 4 cylinders Honda marketed the CX to the
discerning mature rider. i.e yer Dad. Or his Dad. Next owner was a courier. They were disposable and unloved.


. . . It's like I'm having to tell you Transvestites aren't the only game in town if you want to lose your viginity.

[Ocean1]

Or this
http://www.thedrive.com/motorcycles/21574/indian-ftr-1200-confirmed-for-production-arriving-in-2019
Cool thing is you can get in a line to buy one of these & then ride it on the road.
Unlike a genuine XR750

Very nice. Too much overt carbon though, and it's missing a front disc. And USD forks.

[Voltaire]

The boys back at Mandello Del Lario might get their noses out of joint about that "unique cylinder config" remark. :whistle:

Italians....the Chinese of the 70's

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Victoria_Bergmeister%2C_Bj._1954%2C_2007-06-10%2C_Foto_Sp_%28kl%29.jpg/375px-Victoria_Bergmeister%2C_Bj._1954%2C_2007-06-10%2C_Foto_Sp_%28kl%29.jpg

http://members.chello.nl/wgj.jansen/imgsnew/mercedesdesmowrong.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Benelli.jpg/1024px-Benelli.jpg

[F5 Dave]

Very nice. Too much overt carbon though, and it's missing a front disc. And USD forks.

Who was that? Skidmark who started that USD, I'll call it a discussion, but it was classic early KB lore.

[HenryDorsetCase]

. . . It's like I'm having to tell you Transvestites aren't the only game in town if you want to lose your viginity.

too late!

AND no ragrets!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Very nice. Too much overt carbon though, and it's missing a front disc. And USD forks.

It gives me totes inapprops trouser feelings. I want to know about availability and price and weight. But I adore it.

[pritch]

In the event someone was actually lusting after a cafe racer with sticky out cylinders this'd be more like it. But nah, it hasn't got any exhaust tape... :whistle:

[Ocean1]

It gives me totes inapprops trouser feelings. I want to know about availability and price and weight. But I adore it.

Don't get some of it. Uses the current Scout engine but I'm not sure how much they've tweaked it. Without looking it appears to be a very long stroke. "Over 100HP" doesn't sound promising from 1200cc, but any V2 that size is a torque monster, just have to stretch it out a bit....

Good move to label it a "flat tracker" instead of a "scrambler" with that sump so exposed :laugh:

[Ocean1]

In the event someone was actually lusting after a cafe racer with sticky out cylinders this'd be more like it. But nah, it hasn't got any exhaust tape... :whistle:

The fairing is hideous. And the headlights in front of the headlights are ridiculous.

Nice zorsts though.

[Honest Andy]

Jeez listen to you old cunts, I know the CXs were about as stylish as a comb-over but hey, who knows, maybe their time has finally come, and this brave new hipster world is ready for a heavy underpowered bloated CX with a cool haircut! :Punk:

And if it ends up half-baked and never finished who will mind?
:msn-wink:

[sidecar bob]

Jeez listen to you old cunts, I know the CXs were about as stylish as a comb-over but hey, who knows, maybe their time has finally come, and this brave new hipster world is ready for a heavy underpowered bloated CX with a cool haircut! :Punk:

And if it ends up half-baked and never finished who will mind?
:msn-wink:

How can you tell when theyre half baked & unfinished?;)

[WALRUS]

I know it's not a bike.. But this started life, apparently, as a perfectly good Supra, with a 2JZ...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/specialist-cars/other/auction-1711341115.htm?rsqid=ecb2ddf4abf043819354c2008d662 022

... Words fail me..

[Banditbandit]

Oh fuckin please, I've done more Kay's on shaft drive bikes with North South cranks than anything else.
What you speak of is either 100 percent imagined, or is a problem with chassis set up & it's convenient to blame the lay out.
Are you aware that the clutch & gearbox on a CX spin in the opposite direction to the crankshaft, in order to cancel out torque reaction & also your theory.

No idea mate. I've owned shaft drive bikes myself. I'm not blaming the layout.

Just saying - the last time I rode a CX I could not lean it against the spin - would NOT lean left. NEVER had the same problem on any other shaft drive bike .

Maybe it was a bad bike - who knows .. I just know what it felt like.

[pritch]

This isn't a bike either and although the price seems optimistic there'll be people who buy it just because they can. US $30,000?


http://www.latimes.com/books/la-et-jc-ferrari-book-20180801-story.html

[YellowDog]

I know it's not a bike.. But this started life, apparently, as a perfectly good Supra, with a 2JZ...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/specialist-cars/other/auction-1711341115.htm?rsqid=ecb2ddf4abf043819354c2008d662 022

... Words fail me..

It doubles up as a tradies painting platform.

An A1 FAIL, I must say :yes:

[AllanB]

And if it ends up half-baked and never finished who will mind?
:msn-wink:


That would be a bonus as we could list it on page 1100 of this thread in the future and discuss how horrid it is :niceone:

[F5 Dave]

I know it's not a bike.. But this started life, apparently, as a perfectly good Supra, with a 2JZ...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/specialist-cars/other/auction-1711341115.htm?rsqid=ecb2ddf4abf043819354c2008d662 022

... Words fail me..
I dunno is it any different from the real thing?. I mean, wheel at every corner, looks pretty ridiculous. Yeah, that's about right.

[Fresh Oats]

Well since they're pretty much the most coveted 'tracker' ever, you're not being very charitable.

Never has a CX ever looked as cool as this.

Are you having a laugh mate?
Trackers are not good looking bikes. You're better off going full scrambler.


In the event someone was actually lusting after a cafe racer with sticky out cylinders this'd be more like it. But nah, it hasn't got any exhaust tape... :whistle:

Cylinders are too bulky. It is a very nice looking bike (Ocean1 might not like the fairing or headlights, but I think they're gorgeous) but still prefer the CX.
And hey, in my defense I'm not a fan of the exhaust tape either.


Jeez listen to you old cunts, I know the CXs were about as stylish as a comb-over but hey, who knows, maybe their time has finally come, and this brave new hipster world is ready for a heavy underpowered bloated CX with a cool haircut! :Punk:

And if it ends up half-baked and never finished who will mind?
:msn-wink:

It's time has come.
And I always finish my builds tyvm, and only half half-bake them. Like a mild 220C on fan bake for 45 minutes.


That would be a bonus as we could list it on page 1100 of this thread in the future and discuss how horrid it is :niceone:

I'll remember to post pictures of my progress when the time comes so you can all laugh and ridicule me out of sheer jealously for having the coolest bike in NZ. :P

[Honest Andy]

I'll remember to post pictures of my progress when the time comes so you can all laugh and ridicule me out of sheer jealously for having the coolest bike in NZ. :P

I think you'll do fine. Here on KB...

;)

[Drew]

Are you having a laugh mate?
Trackers are not good looking bikes. You're better off going full scrambler.

This guy, I look forward to seeing what you think you can do.

[YellowDog]

I dunno is it any different from the real thing?. I mean, wheel at every corner, looks pretty ridiculous. Yeah, that's about right.

Just looks like a Supra, with the wrong lights and a DIY body kit :o

[HenryDorsetCase]

Are you having a laugh mate?
Trackers are not good looking bikes. You're better off going full scrambler.



Cylinders are too bulky. It is a very nice looking bike (Ocean1 might not like the fairing or headlights, but I think they're gorgeous) but still prefer the CX.
And hey, in my defense I'm not a fan of the exhaust tape either.



It's time has come.
And I always finish my builds tyvm, and only half half-bake them. Like a mild 220C on fan bake for 45 minutes.



I'll remember to post pictures of my progress when the time comes so you can all laugh and ridicule me out of sheer jealously for having the coolest bike in NZ. :P

220C on fan bake for 45 minutes is well and truly baked in my experience

[neels]

Brown seat - check
Exhaust wrap - check

Actually one of the better looking efforts, and probably retrievable back to original if you ever wanted to bother for a CG110, but still don't think I'd pay that much for it....

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1721247941&tm=email&et=45&mt=F9EBD93A-36D0-423B-BB16-006FB3C425E7

[Grumph]

How can you tell when theyre half baked & unfinished?;)

Half-baked - The exhaust wrap hasn't crisped up.

Unfinished - No chain guard - or any guards - and no WOF.

[Fresh Oats]

220C on fan bake for 45 minutes is well and truly baked in my experience

Depends what you're cooking. I was thinking a whole hog.

[Ocean1]

Brown seat - check
Exhaust wrap - check

Actually one of the better looking efforts, and probably retrievable back to original if you ever wanted to bother for a CG110, but still don't think I'd pay that much for it....

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1721247941&tm=email&et=45&mt=F9EBD93A-36D0-423B-BB16-006FB3C425E7

Why are we pretending that 12hp is adequate in a "racer" as long as it has zorst wrap and a brown seat?

I mean, it's the antitheses of the original cafe racer ethos: unfashionable is fine, but make it fast.

[Fresh Oats]

Brown seat - check
Exhaust wrap - check

Actually one of the better looking efforts, and probably retrievable back to original if you ever wanted to bother for a CG110, but still don't think I'd pay that much for it....

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1721247941&tm=email&et=45&mt=F9EBD93A-36D0-423B-BB16-006FB3C425E7

How do you change everything on it, including putting in a brand new lawn mower engine and still get to pay vintage rego?

[Voltaire]

How do you change everything on it, including putting in a brand new lawn mower engine and still get to pay vintage rego?


Its all in the frame and first date of registration.

Currently if its pre 78 you pay $46.00 ( or thereabouts)

[F5 Dave]

Brown seat - check
Exhaust wrap - check

Actually one of the better looking efforts, and probably retrievable back to original if you ever wanted to bother for a CG110, but still don't think I'd pay that much for it....

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1721247941&tm=email&et=45&mt=F9EBD93A-36D0-423B-BB16-006FB3C425E7
Lams approved. Sure. LVV approved? I mean you know. If a 200 in a 110 is less than 15% allowable well math got fucked over.

[jellywrestler]

math got fucked over.

i'd bet he didn't know the difference between math and meth...

[Voltaire]

Reliving ones youth does not come cheap these days.
Only 20K and not met reserve.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1724480018.htm?rsqid=e718d326838c4432a67af16d62b85 aea
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/832619434.jpg

[F5 Dave]

I can't think why that appeals to me but it does. Must be that shade of yellow 'cause it otherwise looks a little disjointed and the stock XT engine is a slug. A weighty one at that.
20k? Oh sure.


Is the tank off maybe a small cc dt perhaps? That said I remember pushing my TT500 in the dark having found the limit of the tank range and lack of reserve position.

[FlangMasterJ]

I say this all the time but throw some 17's on that HL500 and :niceone:

[neels]

Lams approved. Sure. LVV approved? I mean you know. If a 200 in a 110 is less than 15% allowable well math got fucked over.
Would it be ok with the anything under 250cc is LAMS unless specifically excluded clause, or does the no modifications part of the rules apply to everything regardless of engine size?

Would be useful to know for future learner/restricted riders in the family....

[YellowDog]

Reliving ones youth does not come cheap these days.
Only 20K and not met reserve.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1724480018.htm?rsqid=e718d326838c4432a67af16d62b85 aea


No disrespect to anyone at all intended. Nostalgia is all well and good, but for that money, you could get something new and much much better: https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-1557442437.htm?rsqid=640db351be374d14b38db01e0ef71 545

[Ocean1]

Is the tank off maybe a small cc dt perhaps? That said I remember pushing my TT500 in the dark having found the limit of the tank range and lack of reserve position.

Don't think so. If you'd ever had your manhood assaulted by the key escutcheon on the back of a DT tank cap you'd have recognised one straight off.

[Ocean1]

No disrespect to anyone at all intended. Nostalgia is all well and good, but for that money, you could get something new and much much better: https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-1557442437.htm?rsqid=640db351be374d14b38db01e0ef71 545

Where's the knobs?

[YellowDog]

Where's the knobs?

Is that for the missus?

Knobs are extra.

What size and colour would sir prefer?

[Ocean1]

Is that for the missus?

Knobs are extra.

What size and colour would sir prefer?

I once transported the missus on a heavily retooled XL350 sporting a brand new dunlop 18/510 comp knobbly inflated to about 12psi, around a looooong off camber downhill left hander. The more it drifted the more she sat up...

Since which the missus stuck to more.... suitable modes of transport.

Even more off topic: I have two new 18/450 scorpions lurking in the back of the gargre, anyone want to make an offer?

[F5 Dave]

Would it be ok with the anything under 250cc is LAMS unless specifically excluded clause, or does the no modifications part of the rules apply to everything regardless of engine size?

Would be useful to know for future learner/restricted riders in the family....
To be fair I'm no Lams expert because I'm not affected. It most certainly will need LVV. I thought anything that increased power to weight would invalidate Lams. You could for example tune a 200cc RGV Wolf to make 50hp. Breifly. RGV250 territory.
Yeah.

[WALRUS]

Oh my lord, it's been put up again!! (https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1720296558.htm?rsqid=18eb8a23288a4de881e35f9dedc13 8eb)

When will this chap get the message that nobody wants to spend $30k for this??

[WALRUS]

Also this overpriced fake Bayliss Duc'

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1610398839.htm?rsqid=18eb8a23288a4de881e35f9dedc13 8eb

Cheap fairing kit is cheap.. The decals don't even match up properly!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Also this overpriced fake Bayliss Duc'

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1610398839.htm?rsqid=18eb8a23288a4de881e35f9dedc13 8eb

Cheap fairing kit is cheap.. The decals don't even match up properly!

but it has a little number badge thingy on the top triple. Its a Ducati "limited edition" so must be worth gigadollars.

The more I look at Ducatis, the more I realise they are Harleys with a shorter skirt, drinking Chianti instead of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

[YellowDog]

Oh my lord, it's been put up again!! (https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1720296558.htm?rsqid=18eb8a23288a4de881e35f9dedc13 8eb)

When will this chap get the message that nobody wants to spend $30k for this??


Have certainly missed that linguistic genius "HARARHAR".

Perhaps he thinks we have all forgotten about the speedo being disconnected for AUS filming etc.

Who's going to be the first one to say "It was on at $80K, a few months back, why the huge discount?"

[AllanB]

Also this overpriced fake Bayliss Duc'

Cheap fairing kit is cheap.. The decals don't even match up properly!

Engine numbers should easily verify if it is original. Being sold by a dealer so one would hope they have done their homework.
I'd not guarantee the decals aligned from the factory!

[Laava]

but it has a little number badge thingy on the top triple. Its a Ducati "limited edition" so must be worth gigadollars.

The more I look at Ducatis, the more I realise they are Harleys with a shorter skirt, drinking Chianti instead of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

There is an element of that. One of the multistrada boys was at the italian duke fest whatever that just finished and posted a pic of a Duc with "Dufuckincati" on the tank. I nearly died of shame.

[AllanB]

but it has a little number badge thingy on the top triple. Its a Ducati "limited edition" so must be worth gigadollars.

The more I look at Ducatis, the more I realise they are Harleys with a shorter skirt, drinking Chianti instead of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Hey - they do around corners better :bleh:

My Ducati is a super rare limited edition. It's the first Ducati I have owned thus super rare in my garage. I may make a little number badge for it AB001

[Laava]

I'd not guarantee the decals aligned from the factory!

Amen! Or the batteries stay charged more than 2 weeks, or the airfilters seal, or the brake discs stay true, or the odo read more than 99,999km!
You just accept it.

[WALRUS]

but it has a little number badge thingy on the top triple. Its a Ducati "limited edition" so must be worth gigadollars.

The more I look at Ducatis, the more I realise they are Harleys with a shorter skirt, drinking Chianti instead of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

How very dare you, young man! :p

[Fresh Oats]

Oh here's one for you old goats. :P I know how much you like cafe racers with brown seats.

A Yamaha SRV 250 (my current bike, though this ones the renaissa, mines the '92, and this ones white, mines gonna be baby blue/white).
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1725161277.htm?rsqid=0d039450f0f5428bbf46c0fb886d5 00f


That gorgeous thing aside, what in the name of heck, is this?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1709328293.htm?rsqid=0d039450f0f5428bbf46c0fb886d5 00f

[jasonu]

Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Haha PBR, the Lion Red of America:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:

[F5 Dave]

Oh here's one for you old goats. :P I know how much you like cafe racers with brown seats.

A Yamaha SRV 250 (my current bike, though this ones the renaissa, mines the '92, and this ones white, mines gonna be baby blue/white).
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1725161277.htm?rsqid=0d039450f0f5428bbf46c0fb886d5 00f


That gorgeous thing aside, what in the name of heck, is this?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1709328293.htm?rsqid=0d039450f0f5428bbf46c0fb886d5 00f

Fuck I hate people who name thier bikes human names, and then refer to them as such as if we care.
Then spelling is optional
"Renai definitely draws a few steers."

​

[F5 Dave]

Next one, ideal for a collector. - a collector of what?!??

I can't get it going for some reason. Yeah like the reason is it's fucked and put itself out of its own misery. World's heaviest trials bike.

[OddDuck]

"Renai definitely draws a few steers." What, you get approached by curious cattle beasts?

Reaching pretty hard on the sales pitch (mini Harley? C'mon) and don't mention the front flat - fix it!!

Speaking of things cafe racer, check the astonishing number of bids and watchers on this one:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1712169611.htm?rsqid=b0295a8815054c5c9440e704f160a ea7

By definition he's not an optimistic seller but it's a pretty good gauge of how much interest there is in this stuff at the moment.

[WALRUS]

15 year old ST4 with a silly paint job and >60,000kms on the clock..

Yeah, fifteen grand any day!

https://image.ibb.co/dkGQmK/Capture.png

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fuck I hate people who name thier bikes human names, and then refer to them as such as if we care.
Then spelling is optional


you and me both. In fact I refuse to refer to machinery with a human pronouns. They are machines, they're "it" not "she" or "he".

The only exception being the Starship Enterprise.

[eldog]

you and me both. In fact I refuse to refer to machinery with a human pronouns. They are machines, they're "it" not "she" or "he".

The only exception being the Starship Enterprise.

While I don't name every piece of equipment I use.
There are a few who most definitely have a female personality. They can tell you what's wrong but often in a way to keep you guessing.

[Ocean1]

Next one, ideal for a collector. - a collector of what?!??

I can't get it going for some reason. Yeah like the reason is it's fucked and put itself out of its own misery. World's heaviest trials bike.

I daren't look too close, the colour of that tank and the fittings on the fork caps look horribly familiar...

[Drew]

Speaking of things cafe racer, check the astonishing number of bids and watchers on this one:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1712169611.htm?rsqid=b0295a8815054c5c9440e704f160a ea7

By definition he's not an optimistic seller but it's a pretty good gauge of how much interest there is in this stuff at the moment.
I like everything except the pipes. Nice bike.

[WALRUS]

I like everything except the pipes. Nice bike.

Same. Other than the exhaust I don't mind that. At least the seat's the right colour