Optimistic sellers

[jasonu]

I only have two pet hates in motorcycling, buckets, .

and I thought we were friends...

[Grumph]

I can't recall seeing a Ducati powered sidecar outfit here.

Couple of years back a 900 cambelt engine powered speedway sidecar turned up at the "Day in the Dirt" Talking to the owner it was an older chair repowered for BEARS and twins meetings. Neither of which I knew existed in speedway...
It went quite well too. He'd had no problems with it - but only running for a few minutes at a time, you wouldn't expect to.
He was keen on selling it at the time as he wanted a more competitive "modern" outfit. Never seen it again.

[Oscar]

They managed to describe a four door "coupe" (go figure) 1300 four speed fiat with silver painted steel wheels, a Haynes manual and some English made spot lamps screwed to the bumper as "desirable options"
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/fiat/auction-2203148139.htm
They pulled "est 1911" out of their arses too, the company was formed in 2012 & is Australian owned.

I had a four door coupe, a Volkswagen CC.
Mind you that 128 fails the original the original definition of coupe - "cut", ie a cut or sloping rear roofline.

[Voltaire]

If i was a Fiat 128 fan I'd be down on that at 15K.
Certainly better to drive than other cars of that era.

I did have a Fiat 500 ( self confessed Italian as opposed to cookie cutter Japanese fan):msn-wink:

[layton]

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/2200713941

Anyone interested in some GS or GSX motors, could be good buying, if I was in orklund I would be all over this

[malcy25]

As much as I like Bevel Drive Ducatis....24K


Widely considered back in the day as the uglist thing they ever built.
The whole series uses the engine as a stressed member....
Its never been on my list other than when they were cheap a good base for a fake SS
Rant over.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plus/1076004884.jpg

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-1941086500.htm?rsqid=6b9a08b5b4194a358b480c959ffc9 0c7-003

I thought the 860GT was the ugliest...the GTS had a bit more shape to it.

Some one in the add is a little confused though as the 900 is the same capacity as the 860....864cc. the 900 was just a badge exercise.

Dad bought one in '78 near new from Aussie. Had it three weeks. Some guy arrived from Wellington with a pile of cash and rode it away....apparently Dad spent 45 minutes trying to get it started with that stupid kick start after a late shift one night and was enough....the electric starter even less help.

A nice 90/6 with twin discs replaced it.

[Voltaire]

I thought the 860GT was the ugliest...the GTS had a bit more shape to it.

Some one in the add is a little confused though as the 900 is the same capacity as the 860....864cc. the 900 was just a badge exercise.

Dad bought one in '78 near new from Aussie. Had it three weeks. Some guy arrived from Wellington with a pile of cash and rode it away....apparently Dad spent 45 minutes trying to get it started with that stupid kick start after a late shift one night and was enough....the electric starter even less help.

A nice 90/6 with twin discs replaced it.

He could have got 1 1/2 nice CB 750's for that.:msn-wink:

[Oscar]

If i was a Fiat 128 fan I'd be down on that at 15K.
Certainly better to drive than other cars of that era.

I did have a Fiat 500 ( self confessed Italian as opposed to cookie cutter Japanese fan):msn-wink:

BMW's and Fiats?
You are a man of taste.
My wife's car:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC/i-M3Bf7Wx/0/957e9cfc/L/AAAbarh-L.jpg

Also there is a 128 Coupe:
https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2017/9/20/9/8/1/9811ab5d-c479-4690-a1fa-7b57f91a2594.jpg

I always wanted one, but couldn't afford it, back in the day.

[sidecar bob]

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/2200713941

Anyone interested in some GS or GSX motors, could be good buying, if I was in orklund I would be all over this

I've just put my hand up for the lot. What parts do you want?
Edit, the price is click bait, he's selling the stuff per bike on an offers basis & sounds a tad disorganised.

[layton]

What he asking per motor? Did he give any indication? Would love to put a gs1000 motor in the turbo project when I get the garage sorted again

[sidecar bob]

What he asking per motor? Did he give any indication? Would love to put a gs1000 motor in the turbo project when I get the garage sorted again

Gave no indication on anything & finds texting pics to be above his skill set.
I think it may be weed related. Not just a normal harmless social bit either.

[layton]

Gave no indication on anything & finds texting pics to be above his skill set.
I think it may be weed related. Not just a normal harmless social bit either.

Oh well, sounds like a waste of time.

[Grumph]

Gave no indication on anything & finds texting pics to be above his skill set.
I think it may be weed related. Not just a normal harmless social bit either.

I see it's a job lot so that says he doesn't want to be bothered with detail. Dangle cash - to be handed over on pickup - and you'll probably do OK.

I can see why you want the 1135 - but the rest is going to have to be sold off.

BTW, texting pics is above my skill set too, LOL.

[malcy25]

He could have got 1 1/2 nice CB 750's for that.:msn-wink:

have they made one, yet?

I recall $3700 was the selling price, was a twin disc one too

[jasonu]

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/2200713941

Anyone interested in some GS or GSX motors, could be good buying, if I was in orklund I would be all over this

Well worth a look if that is what you are into

[HenryDorsetCase]

have they made one, yet?

I recall $3700 was the selling price, was a twin disc one too

That had to have been for the lesser DOHC version.

Having said that I have been offered one (and the guy has a 900) if I want to do a Spencer replica.

[sidecar bob]

Ooh, a secret compartment for keeping your weed in dude,
Would that be the not so secret fake oil tank?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2208066853.htm?rsqid=cebebef53c29407ba6cce2e147c6f ff0-002
Riding a hard tail is one of the most frightening & uncomfortable expierences it is possible to have.

[Intruder VS]

Well worth a look if that is what you are into

A mate went for a look and came back with a fair bit of other stuff sounds like he has more than just GSX bits.

[bistard]

I've just put my hand up for the lot. What parts do you want?
Edit, the price is click bait, he's selling the stuff per bike on an offers basis & sounds a tad disorganised.

HI Steve, I would love to have a non rattling cutch basket for my GSX1100, do you have any options??
Regards
Barry

[JayRacer37]

HI Steve, I would love to have a non rattling cutch basket for my GSX1100, do you have any options??
Regards
Barry

Hey Barry, I have got loads of GSX1100 components myself. Included in those are 3 clutches. Come up to Blue Mountains sometime and see if any of them would suit what you need.

[malcy25]

That had to have been for the lesser DOHC version.

Having said that I have been offered one (and the guy has a 900) if I want to do a Spencer replica.

860GTS Duc

[jasonu]

Ooh, a secret compartment for keeping your weed in dude,
Would that be the not so secret fake oil tank?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2208066853.htm?rsqid=cebebef53c29407ba6cce2e147c6f ff0-002
Riding a hard tail is one of the most frightening & uncomfortable expierences it is possible to have.

Certification for the hardtail...really...the authorities gave authorization to make this POS even more dangerous.

[pritch]

Ooh, a secret compartment for keeping your weed in dude,
Would that be the not so secret fake oil tank?


Two Brothers used to sell a "twin exhaust" system. One side was a muffler the other side looked identical but was actually a storage compartment. Can't imagine what you'd need that for? :whistle:

[F5 Dave]

Probably thought Easy Rider was a documentary. <_<


"Starts and runs. . "


. . . so badly that I figured this was harder than I thought so best I sell it. Also it's dreadful to ride so best i sell it.

Almost had a nostalgic moment for my old GS550, but it passed despite putting many 10s of thousands of ks on it.
CBX550 was worlds better.
RZ350 was worlds better still.
Anyhow, piece of lunchtime cafe fudge was spectacular.

Friday, Friday.

[sidecar bob]

HI Steve, I would love to have a non rattling cutch basket for my GSX1100, do you have any options??
Regards
Barry

I have a mate with a pile of bits:msn-wink:

[husaberg]

I have a mate with a pile of bits:msn-wink:

Do al the larger suzis of that era have alloy lower yokes?

[sidecar bob]

Do al the larger suzis of that era have alloy lower yokes?

Haven't seen one without .

[husaberg]

Haven't seen one without .

Never noticed Yamaha and a lot of Hondas were mainly steel.

[sidecar bob]

Never noticed Yamaha and a lot of Hondas Honda were mainly steel.

Just went down & tried to stick a magnet to the Katana 1100 bottom one, definitely not ferrous.
Why do you ask two dogs fucking?

[husaberg]

Why do you ask two dogs fucking?

I dont know why do you ask two dogs fucking?
Unlike the two dogs fucking the lower alloy yoke seemed uncommon

[jasonu]

Why do you ask two dogs fucking?

haven't heard that one for a while

[jasonu]

I dont know why do you ask two dogs fucking?
Unlike the two dogs fucking the lower alloy yoke seemed uncommon

Maybe they are made from coal.

[F5 Dave]

I was surprised at a mates mc21 the lower was steel. He fixed that but all RGV stuff was ally. As was KR1. . . Yam had to wait for later ones I think.

[sidecar bob]

Does anyone else think think this era is going to be the next thing to go large.
I reckon these bikes are going to at least double in value in the next few years.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2196648686
I feel like that bike in paticular is an absolute steal & still fairly handy.

[pritch]

Does anyone else think think this era is going to be the next thing to go large.


Interesting, could well be. 'Classics' capable of being punted around with intent.

Make mine a VFR750F.

[F5 Dave]

Zxr750 h1 hoover

[HenryDorsetCase]

Zxr750 h1 hoover

RC51 Honda - Stuff like OW01 and R7 are unobtanium already

[jellywrestler]

Does anyone else think think this era is going to be the next thing to go large.
I reckon these bikes are going to at least double in value in the next few years.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2196648686
I feel like that bike in paticular is an absolute steal & still fairly handy.

there's quite a few post classic racing down south

[Grumph]

there's quite a few post classic racing down south

Yeah, there are. I think there's enough evidence now to prove that buying a cheap one - and trying to race it cheaply - is a good way to get hurt.
They're tyre sensitive - brand and condition - and need to be kept up to scratch in the suspension too.
A number of people have seen how cheap they have been and thought - what a good way to go pre 89 racing...

[neels]

Does anyone else think think this era is going to be the next thing to go large.

I suspect they already are.

My brother bought one off my neighbor a few years back, a reasonable price then was around $2.5k, so if that one sells for asking then they've obviously bottomed and on the way back up.

Very nice machine to ride, even for someone as old as me who doesn't bend as well as he used to, and more than enough horsies to keep me amused.

[jasonu]

Does anyone else think think this era is going to be the next thing to go large.
I reckon these bikes are going to at least double in value in the next few years.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2196648686
I feel like that bike in paticular is an absolute steal & still fairly handy.

Already started old chap. Nice slab gsxrs in particular are bring strong money here. Look at rare sports bikes for sale.

[layton]

Not my thing, kinda looks like it's been melted.

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/2211675815?tm=email&et=47&mt=78CAD1F1-B6C6-45C4-BD4D-5A5EB34080AF

[Drew]

Not my thing, kinda looks like it's been melted.

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/2211675815?tm=email&et=47&mt=78CAD1F1-B6C6-45C4-BD4D-5A5EB34080AF
Was it the Tesi that Bimota made with a similar look?

It certainly stands out in a crowd.

[F5 Dave]

Eh? Nope.

Not even the Mantra maybe you were thinking of is that ugly. That is truly French. Bleugh

[Drew]

Mantra is the one I was thinking of.

[Mike.Gayner]

You would have to be brain damaged to pay this much. This is around double its actual value.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-2193948629.htm

[ashes]

These can be had for 2K new.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2186768777


I bet no-one is staring for the reasons he thinks they are

[HenryDorsetCase]

this is actually pretty well done. If I owned it I would put a 25mm spacer under the rear of the fuel tank, and swap the wheels for slightly earlier Suzuki hubs with wire spokes. Apart from that (and some sort of hugger on the rear tyre, it looks pretty good.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2211382646.htm?rsqid=83f347b369084e4a8d32a7c9c4886 235-003

[F5 Dave]

These can be had for 2K new.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2186768777


I bet no-one is staring for the reasons he thinks they are

" . . . It sits nicely on 80kph but can go faster if you like.
. . . "

If you like hurtling down a mine shaft perhaps?

[F5 Dave]

this is actually pretty well done. If I owned it I would put a 25mm spacer under the rear of the fuel tank, and swap the wheels for slightly earlier Suzuki hubs with wire spokes. Apart from that (and some sort of hugger on the rear tyre, it looks pretty good.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2211382646.htm?rsqid=83f347b369084e4a8d32a7c9c4886 235-003

No mention as usual of air correction jets. Bet it runs pants, CV carbs and filters always do without smaller air jets and often shrouds on emulsion tubes.

Bet it's funny when parked in the rain.


--Eh me bikes not starting.....Splooosh.

[jellywrestler]

Not my thing, kinda looks like it's been melted.

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/honda/listing/2211675815?tm=email&et=47&mt=78CAD1F1-B6C6-45C4-BD4D-5A5EB34080AF

fuck i thought that one had left town, was floating around wellington for a while, i'm pretty open minded about different bikes and different styles to the point very few bikes over the years have not deserved a second look from me whatever they are.
this however looks like a recently fucked bum.

[jellywrestler]

probably a realistic price so wrong thread but why do people not get grownups to take photos? we can all google the model and see what it's like, what about some photos showing the actual condition etc?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2212959964.htm?rsqid=aebbd0f631f645a09fe9ca2f7f7be 787-003

8 postcard photos

a shot of the warrant of fitness

a shot of the rego sticker.

one other piccie of the side and some manuals.

[nzspokes]

Not a bike but very much optimistic.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2015130673&fbclid=IwAR1R66HB2TwdpsVmpqRlopAlDvK9-Yl7AOZOlLawiza13O83XfVtqtJncx4

[F5 Dave]

Jeez. Suit a new car buyer. . . That can't tell a 20yr old car from a new one. Jeez talk about waste of money for not working out what kind of car to buy.

And the comments:tugger::tugger:. Well, bet that stays there for another year without a price review.

[Voltaire]

Calling Sidecar Bob...
Cheap Ducati
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2167524632&rsqid=7e5414c0ff0a4929b4cf9d8c70b5d378-001
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1080221688.jpg

[pritch]

You would have to be brain damaged to pay this much. This is around double its actual value.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-2193948629.htm

Mr Gaynor is about right. Mine's a special edition, it's newer, done slightly less Ks, got more fruit salad, and I wouldn't dare ask anywhere near that. Besides, if I did I'd be too embarrassed to visit this thread.

[jasonu]

Not a bike but very much optimistic.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2015130673&fbclid=IwAR1R66HB2TwdpsVmpqRlopAlDvK9-Yl7AOZOlLawiza13O83XfVtqtJncx4

The decimal point is in the wrong spot

[sidecar bob]

Calling Sidecar Bob...
Cheap Ducati

I've already spent this months bike allowance on a Honda. I'm hoping to meet the nicest people:msn-wink:

[Voltaire]

I've already spent this months bike allowance on a Honda. I'm hoping to meet the nicest people:msn-wink:

True dat, when I met my future wife I had a SL125 and then she bought a CB125 :love:

[Mike.Gayner]

Not a bike but very much optimistic.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2015130673&fbclid=IwAR1R66HB2TwdpsVmpqRlopAlDvK9-Yl7AOZOlLawiza13O83XfVtqtJncx4

That whole ad had me in hysterics.

[sidecar bob]

That whole ad had me in hysterics.

Bought a brand new manual transmission car for his wife, only to find out she couldn't drive manual.
Isint that something you kind of know without even thinking about it?
He deserves a wind up about that, I'm getting my words together.

[jellywrestler]

Bought a brand new manual transmission car for his wife, only to find out she couldn't drive manual.
Isint that something you kind of know without even thinking about it?
He deserves a wind up about that, I'm getting my words together.

it wasn't a question on the Asian Bride mail order form it appears

[YellowDog]

Bought a brand new manual transmission car for his wife, only to find out she couldn't drive manual.
Isint that something you kind of know without even thinking about it?
He deserves a wind up about that, I'm getting my words together.

Take care or: "i dont have time for you warker so i blacl listing you" - and that will be that !!!

[Grumph]

This is apparently on ebay at present. Someone needs to buy it and put it out of it's misery....

[sidecar bob]

This is apparently on ebay at present. Someone needs to buy it and put it out of it's misery....

It's given me a great idea for a fuel gauge on a superbike.

[F5 Dave]

It's given me a great idea for a fuel gauge on a superbike.
I particularly like the tool roll that will smack the front guard at 1" travel. Or the kickstarter that denotes the correct swears to use while trying to start that POS. (the other side says King Jesus).

[Grumph]

It's given me a great idea for a fuel gauge on a superbike.


I particularly like the tool roll that will smack the front guard at 1" travel. Or the kickstarter that denotes the correct swears to use while trying to start that POS. (the other side says King Jesus).

It's the gift that keeps on giving isn't it...Elsewhere the comment has been made that stopping suddenly would remove the riders reproductive facility. I'm of the opinion the mirrors are neatly placed to check for armpit lice.
I'm also surprised no-ones said that all it needs is exhaust wrap...A LOT of exhaust wrap.

[husaberg]

Wheres Drew? hes normally here to give the alternate opinion.

[Grumph]

Wheres Drew? hes normally here to give the alternate opinion.

He'll probably like it. I haven't seen the other side but I'm told it's suicide shift for the left hand - and a foot clutch to match that brake pedal.

And Bob - opinion is that's a decorative rail on the tank. Shades of the Munster coach which had brass coffin rails around everything....

[sidecar bob]

He'll probably like it. I haven't seen the other side but I'm told it's suicide shift for the left hand - and a foot clutch to match that brake pedal.

And Bob - opinion is that's a decorative rail on the tank. Shades of the Munster coach which had brass coffin rails around everything....

Oh, ok. It looks like a piece of PVC tubing with hose clamps at each end like the oil tanks at the workshop had.

[husaberg]

It's given me a great idea for a fuel gauge on a superbike.

Never seen a dairy silo sight-glass ya towny
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1040486094.jpg
Ducati used to have a clear strip in the fiberglass tank.
itf its racing aground i doubt it would be that readable but i would suggest a floating ball. if your heart was set on it.

[F5 Dave]

I particularly like the tool roll that will smack the front guard at 1" travel. Or the kickstarter that denotes the correct swears to use while trying to start that POS. (the other side says King Jesus).


Oh c'mon! The pedal says 'Fuck' on one side.

I've laughed myself silly at my own joke everytime I see it.

I'm thinking a T-shirt.



anyhoo, my gasser dirt squirt has an opaque lower tank with 3L and 6L marks on it.

[Drew]

Wheres Drew? hes normally here to give the alternate opinion.

My alternative is to just burn the bike. Don't even buy it first, just kill it with fire.

Where does one start?

The work is all tidy and well finished, just piss poorly planned.

[russd7]

Never seen a dairy silo sight-glass ya towny
Ducati used to have a clear strip in the fiberglass tank.
itf its racing aground i doubt it would be that readable but i would suggest a floating ball. if your heart was set on it.

thankfully its been many a year since I last had anything to do with an open top milk vat with a dirty sight glass

[husaberg]

thankfully its been many a year since I last had anything to do with an open top milk vat with a dirty sight glass

WMP were afaik the last to be still using them they were meant to go this year, might just get translated into mandarin instead now.
even the 180000ltr silos still had them.

[jellywrestler]

I particularly like the tool roll that will smack the front guard at 1" travel. Or the kickstarter that denotes the correct swears to use while trying to start that POS. (the other side says King Jesus).

that's not a tool roll, it's for carrying his "bag for life"

[Grumph]

Would you be drummed out of the VOC if you put that kickstart on a Vinnie ?

[F5 Dave]

Oh jesus is this any better than the other one?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1619725646.htm?rsqid=faa1ce5ab79f4d09a9e15651e6cb2 54b-002


Doesn't the the fuck kickstarter though.

Can you imagine it with Bozo the Clown handing out free lollies to the kids in a Santa parade or something?

[Voltaire]

Oh jesus is this any better than the other one?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1619725646.htm?rsqid=faa1ce5ab79f4d09a9e15651e6cb2 54b-002


Doesn't the the fuck kickstarter though.

Can you imagine it with Bozo the Clown handing out free lollies to the kids in a Santa parade or something?

Isn't Factory Custom an oxymoron?

Tis what us office workers ride to cafes on a Sunday....do they call them Cafebobbers?

[sidecar bob]

Isn't Factory Custom an oxymoron?

Tis what us office workers ride to cafes on a Sunday....do they call them Cafebobbers?

Stuff that money (read, hire purchase) can buy with a warranty, is not custom.

[F5 Dave]

:Oi:I'm assuming that you don't mean to besmirch the CX500 Custom. It's in the name.

[jellywrestler]

Stuff that money (read, hire purchase) can buy with a warranty, is not custom.

so what's a classic, and what's a vintage etc.

[F5 Dave]

A Classic is when your mate hits on some chick at the bar but she turns around and it's his sister.

A Vintage has something to do with wine, but in most households it's drunk within 24hr of purchase.
But I stock up when there's specials so it could be weeks, or up to 2 weeks old.

Glad to sort that out for you.

[sidecar bob]

so what's a classic, and what's a vintage etc.

To me, two drum brakes means classic, I asked a mate 20 odd years my junior, what he thought denotes classic, he said anything air cooled. If I asked my dad he may say anything with leather belt drive.
Classic is something you remember being modern in your lifetime, vintage is something that was old when you were born.

[Laava]

Oh jesus is this any better than the other one?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1619725646.htm?rsqid=faa1ce5ab79f4d09a9e15651e6cb2 54b-002


Doesn't the the fuck kickstarter though.

Can you imagine it with Bozo the Clown handing out free lollies to the kids in a Santa parade or something?

That is henis(sp)

[Voltaire]

To me, two drum brakes means classic, I asked a mate 20 odd years my junior, what he thought denotes classic, he said anything air cooled. If I asked my dad he may say anything with leather belt drive.
Classic is something you remember being modern in your lifetime, vintage is something that was old when you were born.

Good definition.
I go on the odd Vintage Car Club Motorcycle section and even on a 45 year old BMW its considered Modern by the old boys as they remember them new.
Just sold my 53 Triumph Thunderbird today, can't really say I'll miss it and its vibrating 650 engine.

[ojyamaha]

Does anyone else think think this era is going to be the next thing to go large.
I reckon these bikes are going to at least double in value in the next few years.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2196648686
I feel like that bike in paticular is an absolute steal & still fairly handy.I owned that bike for a year or so . An older gentle man bought it ex Japan with about 7000 km on the clock in 2004 . I picked it up in 2016 with only extra 2000 km!! All original, a couple of small cracks on the fairing. A stonker of a bike goes fast , stops better, New tyres handled great. Classic 80's . I Got it cause i thought I might get the wife on the back. We did she did but not really a 2 up cruiser . Sold it to guy in south island, he classic rac2d it may be once, then he tried to sell it still with racing bottles etc on it. The guy selling it now is in ak not as in good as nic as when I had it but aside from a few laps a genuine bike.

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[F5 Dave]

Urrgh
Can you imagine dropping this much on a suburban hack? Who wouldn't just buy a car if cheap transport was what you desired and this is the alternative instead of being $400?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2224913910.htm?rsqid=42a03451ec814b4395149492ec69d eea-002

[F5 Dave]

And this is a fair price to pay for a gorgeous little bike if they've restored it.
Instead of fuking wrecking it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2223957275.htm?rsqid=42a03451ec814b4395149492ec69d eea-002

[TLDV8]

To me, two drum brakes means classic, I asked a mate 20 odd years my junior, what he thought denotes classic, he said anything air cooled. If I asked my dad he may say anything with leather belt drive.
Classic is something you remember being modern in your lifetime, vintage is something that was old when you were born.

Drum brakes sounds fine to me, black with some shiny bits can't hurt and go from there.

#
Not sure how optimistic sellers are there but when I listed a 1954 Sunbeam S7 Deluxe for $5k a while back, nothing.

[Grumph]

Drum brakes sounds fine to me, black with some shiny bits can't hurt and go from there.

#
Not sure how optimistic sellers are there but when I listed a 1954 Sunbeam S7 Deluxe for $5k a while back, nothing.

The Cali will be nice when it's done. No postwar Sunbeam is worth that much. The old man - qualified enginer - had one for as long as it took to sort the problems. Then got shot of it saying, yes, it was as bad as reputation said. Ran a 250 BMW for years - faster and better handling than the Sunbeam.

[mulletman]

Optimistic HP - in Q&A

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-2214660443.htm?rsqid=bac7c51e914f46c0af3a46c94b016 61b-001

[F5 Dave]

Geebuz I never realised they were so mindbending powerful.:msn-wink: I'd have said 100hp perhaps.

Edit, went looking. Maybe 120 std.

[husaberg]

Geebuz I never realised they were so mindbending powerful.:msn-wink: I'd have said 100hp perhaps.

Edit, went looking. Maybe 120 std.

claimed 363kg ekkkkkk i bet its 40+ KG heavier

[F5 Dave]

Apparently they are funny to ride, but, like, just down the road and back.

[sidecar bob]

Drum brakes sounds fine to me, black with some shiny bits can't hurt and go from there.

#
Not sure how optimistic sellers are there but when I listed a 1954 Sunbeam S7 Deluxe for $5k a while back, nothing.

Black with drum brakes & some shiny bits you say?:msn-wink:

[Scubbo]

finally a BMW i'd like to own :msn-wink:

[pritch]

Apparently they are funny to ride, but, like, just down the road and back.

There was a local car mechanic had one. It had an extra gauge so I looked closer, there was a nitrous bottle on the other side of the bike. His commute was 26k of country roads and could've been entertaining.

[Laava]

Optimistic HP - in Q&A

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-2214660443.htm?rsqid=bac7c51e914f46c0af3a46c94b016 61b-001
Lol! Added 100 hp there!
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/triu/triumph_rocket_iii%20roadster%2013.htm

[Banditbandit]

Drum brakes sounds fine to me, black with some shiny bits can't hurt and go from there.


The old drum brakes were shit - I used to get caught out commuting daily on a modern Honda with discs .. and riding classics in the weekend.

What caught me out was going hot into a corner on an old BSA or Triumph - and remembering too late that the brakes were shit .. and certainly did not work as well as the discs.

Standing hard on everything and banging down the gears to make the bike stop - then having the let the brakes go because there was NO WAY the bike would lean under braking .. put a lot of scratch marks on mufflers ...

I never dropped it - but came close a couple of times - also had my anal muscles working over time ..

Classics are OK - but there are reasons why we don't ride them any more .

[sidecar bob]

The first thing I ever sold on trademe was one of these in complete original condition with a spare engine for $350. Looks like I missed a zero off at least.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2228346827.htm?rsqid=ff42e4039d4c49d2b7c65332998fb 0a2-002
Oh, my bad, this one has been "restored"

[onearmedbandit]

The first thing I ever sold on trademe was one of these in complete original condition with a spare engine for $350. Looks like I missed a zero off at least.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2228346827.htm?rsqid=ff42e4039d4c49d2b7c65332998fb 0a2-002
Oh, my bad, this one has been "restored"

I don't care what anyone says, you can't blame that on drugs.

[Drew]

I don't care what anyone says, you can't blame that on drugs.

Drugs should never take the blame. Drugs are fucken awesome.

[F5 Dave]

People don't seem to understand words.

Butt Fuck would you be disappointed on the first ride having spent 4.5k on that shitter 185 engine or knot. LVV Certified? Didn't think so.

[sidecar bob]

Here's an interesting old treasure at a fair price that needs looking after.
If it was a CX Turbo it would be several times that.https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2229560901.htm?rsqid=f280265cd19c4ad78792f654f9db9 5b3-001
It's a Mitsubishi Cordia turbo motorbike equivalent.

[F5 Dave]

Yes, I saw it, he said I needed it in my life. Not sure what he was implying but I made my escape.

[HenryDorsetCase]

LOL I sold this to him in October last year. When I decided I didnt want it I sold it for what I paid for it. ($2500). Good to see that its value has appreciated significantly in that time... more power to him though. I have shit I want to sell but I cant be arsed dealing with tardme. You have to be in the right headspace

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2229744535.htm?rsqid=acd5dec53ef1484782d04ffe7f53a 07b-003

[sidecar bob]

LOL I sold this to him in October last year. When I decided I didnt want it I sold it for what I paid for it. ($2500). Good to see that its value has appreciated significantly in that time... more power to him though. I have shit I want to sell but I cant be arsed dealing with tardme. You have to be in the right headspace

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2229744535.htm?rsqid=acd5dec53ef1484782d04ffe7f53a 07b-003

It's expired, what was it?
I'd like to list my MV, but I've had one guy play the long game with me, heard several riveting life stories, & been asked questions that don't matter by muppets with no intention.
It's easier to just leave it in the hallway.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's expired, what was it?
I'd like to list my MV, but I've had one guy play the long game with me, heard several riveting life stories, & been asked questions that don't matter by muppets with no intention.
It's easier to just leave it in the hallway.

It was that GS550 I had for a while.

[F5 Dave]

What was he trying to pedal it for?

I had the greatest time on mine grinding engine bars and generally making this hobby a lifestyle choice.

But I wouldn't want another.

RZ350 though yeah baby.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What was he trying to pedal it for?

I had the greatest time on mine grinding engine bars and generally making this hobby a lifestyle choice.

But I wouldn't want another.

RZ350 though yeah baby.

He paid me $2500, parked it in a shed from October till July, then listed it for $4100. More power to him. The ad was weird though. It was live on tardme in the morning but had "expired" by the afternoon.

Whatever. Hopefully someone paid him his money for it.

[sidecar bob]

Here's one of two S1000's I prepped for Pete to ride.
Not optimistic at all & spot on ready to use as it is.
The two bikes were pretty much the same, but we mainly used the other one.
That guy hasn't had it long.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2229693720
If anyone wants a very sorted & reliable track bike to blow their mind, that's it.

[Mike.Gayner]

Here's one of two S1000's I prepped for Pete to ride.
Not optimistic at all & spot on ready to use as it is.
The two bikes were pretty much the same, but we mainly used the other one.
That guy hasn't had it long.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2229693720
If anyone wants a very sorted & reliable track bike to blow their mind, that's it.

Holy shit that's a crazy great deal. He's must be losing a bundle selling it for that price.

[pritch]

Holy shit that's a crazy great deal. He's must be losing a bundle selling it for that price.

Make a dream track day bike for someone.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Here's one of two S1000's I prepped for Pete to ride.
Not optimistic at all & spot on ready to use as it is.
The two bikes were pretty much the same, but we mainly used the other one.
That guy hasn't had it long.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2229693720
If anyone wants a very sorted & reliable track bike to blow their mind, that's it.

My VFR seems to be a goner, the price for that is absolutely spot on, I could buy it tomorrow and I want a track bike.

Will I though? Not on your life. I am too old, too fat, and too slow, and I foresee that it would cause me no end of grief.

The crazy thing is that the SV650's and stuff I am looking at are at or around that money, and the Daytona 675's... with their well known chocolate camchain tensioners..

[F5 Dave]

Why do people do this???

I have 2 bikes to sell but you have to buy both. I mean fuck sake if you have 7k to put into old competition bikes would you buy Two PEs? Or one more competitive bike?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2244316454.htm?rsqid=871950d74f9946e28f0b7ee86adba 8c5-002

[sidecar bob]

Why do people do this???

I have 2 bikes to sell but you have to buy both. I mean fuck sake if you have 7k to put into old competition bikes would you buy Two PEs? Or one more competitive bike?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2244316454.htm?rsqid=871950d74f9946e28f0b7ee86adba 8c5-002

You're more likely to find two people with half the money that only want one bike.
Are they trying to save on trademe fees.

[jasonu]

Why do people do this???

I have 2 bikes to sell but you have to buy both. I mean fuck sake if you have 7k to put into old competition bikes would you buy Two PEs? Or one more competitive bike?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2244316454.htm?rsqid=871950d74f9946e28f0b7ee86adba 8c5-002

Wasn't the X model full floater?

[F5 Dave]

Youd think huh? I've seen road race bikes and dad and son trail bikes with trailer, even a brace of Bantams.


THESE ARE MY CONDITIONS AND . . . .blah blah, piss off twatface.

[F5 Dave]

So here's a curiosity

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2229495676.htm?rsqid=aaebdf6c520647f3830ecdaff018e 034-005

Is it worth this much? Ok I think it will appreciate. If it was the forefather of a continuing range of hub bikes then 100%. As a dead end. . . And such an ugly one at that.
. Maybe not.

I rode one 15 odd years back a survivor of some Polytech that bought it as a trainer but clearly a poor choice.
It was great. I considered trying to buy it as a tourer. Was put off by thought a light crash would be major parts search headache. Bought an RF instead that was only marginally more ugly if far less competent.

Needed a de-cat and ideally a large diet.

[Laava]

So here's a curiosity

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2229495676.htm?rsqid=aaebdf6c520647f3830ecdaff018e 034-005

Is it worth this much? Ok I think it will appreciate. If it was the forefather of a continuing range of hub bikes then 100%. As a dead end. . . And such an ugly one at that.
. Maybe not.

I rode one 15 odd years back a survivor of some Polytech that bought it as a trainer but clearly a poor choice.
It was great. I considered trying to buy it as a tourer. Was put off by thought a light crash would be major parts search headache. Bought an RF instead that was only marginally more ugly if far less competent.

Needed a de-cat and ideally a large diet.
And unless the reg is on hold, it will be dereg by now too... sure the owner would be worth talking to tho if you were serious. Problem with most collector bikes is that you don't want to be riding them ideally, therefore you get no use and still have to maintain them...not eveyone is up for that!

[Drew]

Why do people do this???

I have 2 bikes to sell but you have to buy both. I mean fuck sake if you have 7k to put into old competition bikes would you buy Two PEs? Or one more competitive bike?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2244316454.htm?rsqid=871950d74f9946e28f0b7ee86adba 8c5-002


Any other example, and I'd agree with you. But I know a guy that would pay nearly that much for one of those in good reliable nick.
So if I was at all interested, I'd keep one and all the spares and it would owe me about $1500.

[F5 Dave]

I'd buy an RM250. Remove Base gasket and 3-Bond. Reshape head and buy a Lectron. More power and better spread than a PE or an RM and still period. Add a flywheel weight and lights with Li battery and LED bulbs.
Spend remainder on suspension

Competitive VMX and Vinduro bike with more value and less garage space .

[Beekeeper]

I think the best one is the mongol with the old HD Superglide for 60k. Reading his feedback he also sounds like a right cunt.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm?rsqid=a8c4f7909fc34bcc88add64dc9369d e4-002

You have to give the guy credit for not giving it away

[Voltaire]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm?rsqid=a8c4f7909fc34bcc88add64dc9369d e4-002

You have to give the guy credit for not giving it away

His other Harley add is amusing, mainly for the comments.
One mans Muppet is another mans Muppet.:woohoo:
I get that when you sell something in a flash on TM you may have priced it too low, but after a year of not selling possibly time
to revise. I suppose one day Jay Leno might just want one.....
I sold a 1953 Triumph Thunderbird a couple of weeks back and sold and paid for in 24 hours, I could have hung out for more but life moves on.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1376659212.htm?rsqid=f0ba88c1752447e0b24a3a252eae5 6dd-001

[tigertim20]

His other Harley add is amusing, mainly for the comments.
One mans Muppet is another mans Muppet.:woohoo:
I get that when you sell something in a flash on TM you may have priced it too low, but after a year of not selling possibly time
to revise. I suppose one day Jay Leno might just want one.....
I sold a 1953 Triumph Thunderbird a couple of weeks back and sold and paid for in 24 hours, I could have hung out for more but life moves on.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-1376659212.htm?rsqid=f0ba88c1752447e0b24a3a252eae5 6dd-001

I don't know what funnier, the illiterate seller berating someone in the Q and A for poor English,

Or stating on one ad trades for FORD ONLY, and in the other ad saying he may trade for a corvette . . . .

They must have some good drugs up in Pahia

[pritch]

His other Harley add is amusing, mainly for the comments.
One mans Muppet is another mans Muppet.:woohoo:

And he gave some other dude crap about their English...

[jellywrestler]

I don't know what funnier, the illiterate seller berating someone in the Q and A for poor English,

Or stating on one ad trades for FORD ONLY, and in the other ad saying he may trade for a corvette . . . .

They must have some good drugs up in Pahia

his other roadwhale 58 thousan dviews and no sale, when's he going to get the hint? https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm?rsqid=eb1b343044d84b1daf8612fc3a0d00 58-001

[F5 Dave]

Years and years that POS has been up. What a prize dork.

[Laava]

his other roadwhale 58 thousan dviews and no sale, when's he going to get the hint? https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-887551588.htm?rsqid=eb1b343044d84b1daf8612fc3a0d00 58-001
If it doesn't sell you no he is going to put it on ebay. After all, it is reel steel, not coping jap shit!

[sidecar bob]

Years and years that POS has been up. What a prize dork.

It's right up there with the purple H2 that's inflation adjusted annually.

[jellywrestler]

What a prize dork. you been reading your Mr Bean annual again?

[Stylo]

If it doesn't sell you no he is going to put it on ebay. After all, it is reel steel, not coping jap shit!

Is it just me that instantly thinks 'Donald Trump supporter ' from this guy?

[sidecar bob]

Is it just me that instantly thinks 'Donald Trump supporter ' from this guy?

I'm at delusional bonehead, is that the same?

[Laava]

Is it just me that instantly thinks 'Donald Trump supporter ' from this guy?
I wonder if he is on Kiwibiker....hmmmm!

[Drew]

I wonder if he is on Kiwibiker....hmmmm!

There was a thread dedicated to that and, so I doubt it.

[F5 Dave]

WTF?
These were a bit shit. Yes its restored but they were still like an xl185 in a twin shock trials frame.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2235836434.htm?rsqid=5b1c4c66b69c451bbd9c7f30b48e7 4f9-005

[F5 Dave]

Be a small market,
The sort of drug dealer that makes enough money to afford this yet consumes enough to think this is still a good idea.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2249764617.htm?rsqid=71c59ba7956346e9a216db1ea4468 4a4-006

[HenryDorsetCase]

Be a small market,
The sort of drug dealer that makes enough money to afford this yet consumes enough to think this is still a good idea.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2249764617.htm?rsqid=71c59ba7956346e9a216db1ea4468 4a4-006

All that really needs changing are the handlebars. And the price. Oh and pull the motor to bits to get the barrels coloured black or back to aluminium. And all the other bits that are red. Actually while it is in bits put stock length forks on it. Oh and get some rear shocks an inch or so longer. I'd lose the front controls too... midmount FTW.

So, yes, a few minor tweaks and you've got yourself a cool-ish old Hardly Ferguson. I reckon for $11k it would be a good buy.

[pritch]

WTF?
These were a bit shit. Yes its restored but they were still like an xl185 in a twin shock trials frame.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2235836434.htm?rsqid=5b1c4c66b69c451bbd9c7f30b48e7 4f9-005

There was an early trials Honda owned locally. Can't say what model but the thing I liked most was that it had been built by HRC and the engine casings were marked accordingly. Apparently the trial bikes were built by HRC for a time. That'd be one of the few ways to get a genuine HRC bike without mortgaging the house.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah they had to get a bit serious later on to be 1/2 way competitive . There was a tie up with Montessa and indeed you could buy parts from your *onda dealer. HRC didn't exist back in those days of the old 2 valvers.

[F5 Dave]

This would maybe be worth it, if it was pristine rather than completely manky making me question its supposedly little use. It will need crank rebuild and seals at the very least. You don't get away with leaving them.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2242378405.htm?rsqid=71c59ba7956346e9a216db1ea4468 4a4-006

The more you look, even with rubbish photos. . .

[F5 Dave]

This isn't a motorcycle. It's a collection of fucked parts that look like they've been left out in the rain.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2252437373.htm?rsqid=ad8ce15382594738ba05b831e4f28 88a-007

[Laava]

Need a second opinion. Do I have astigmatism?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Cruiser-Moto-Guzzi/333277339139?hash=item4d98e09e03%3Ag%3AHnoAAOSwkYx dOqKp&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover %252F1%252F710-53481-19255-0%252F1%253Ftype%253D4%2526campid%253D5336543476%2 526toolid%253D10001%2526afsrc%253D1%2526customid%2 53D29692X874039Xed1a91f303bb3f8172eca7771b890b7c%2 526mpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.co. uk%25252Fitm%25252FMotorcycle-Cruiser-Moto-Guzzi%25252F333277339139%25253Fhash%25253Ditem4d98 e09e03%25253Ag%25253AHnoAAOSwkYxdOqKp%2526srcrot%2 53D710-53481-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D2060589529931%2526rvr_ts%253D4a97 56e516c0a9cada1300ffffb4dce0&ul_noapp=true

[Navy Boy]

Need a second opinion. Do I have astigmatism?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Cruiser-Moto-Guzzi/333277339139?hash=item4d98e09e03%3Ag%3AHnoAAOSwkYx dOqKp&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover %252F1%252F710-53481-19255-0%252F1%253Ftype%253D4%2526campid%253D5336543476%2 526toolid%253D10001%2526afsrc%253D1%2526customid%2 53D29692X874039Xed1a91f303bb3f8172eca7771b890b7c%2 526mpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.co. uk%25252Fitm%25252FMotorcycle-Cruiser-Moto-Guzzi%25252F333277339139%25253Fhash%25253Ditem4d98 e09e03%25253Ag%25253AHnoAAOSwkYxdOqKp%2526srcrot%2 53D710-53481-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D2060589529931%2526rvr_ts%253D4a97 56e516c0a9cada1300ffffb4dce0&ul_noapp=true

Blimey! As a study in 'How to ruin a perfectly good motorcycle' this takes some beating... Just say 'No!' to motorcycle cruelty... :(

[Laava]

And what is interesting is how well it has been done. The frame is all nickel plated, or chrome, not sure which and thought has gone into how to put it together. Of course, that does not explain why...

[Scubbo]

what a POS :laugh:

[husaberg]

And what is interesting is how well it has been done. The frame is all nickel plated, or chrome, not sure which and thought has gone into how to put it together. Of course, that does not explain why...

the welding is far to nice to be factory.........
he reads blurb

The bike is 8" longer than standard and 2" lower .
The frame is Jig Manufactured from 30mm x 3mm T45 round tube, using some original brackets , then polished and chromed

[F5 Dave]

what a POS :laugh:
It's not a piece of shit. Its just a pointless exercice in making a bike far less effective and weirdly ugly.

Can probably park it anywhere in safety, aside from the risk it will be pushed over and burnt for humanities sake.

[sidecar bob]

He's his own worst enemy. Don't think he'll get his money anytime soon. The Q&A's tell me he's not good at making friends. Funny

Sierra19 was a lot more of a wanker to him on the YZ auction than he was in reply on the bicycle auction to be fair.

[pritch]

It's not a piece of shit. Its just a pointless exercice in making a bike far less effective and weirdly ugly.

Can probably park it anywhere in safety, aside from the risk it will be pushed over and burnt for humanities sake.

E Bay notes that the seller may not post to New Zealand. Thank God!

[Beekeeper]

Need a second opinion. Do I have astigmatism?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Cruiser-Moto-Guzzi/333277339139?hash=item4d98e09e03%3Ag%3AHnoAAOSwkYx dOqKp&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover %252F1%252F710-53481-19255-0%252F1%253Ftype%253D4%2526campid%253D5336543476%2 526toolid%253D10001%2526afsrc%253D1%2526customid%2 53D29692X874039Xed1a91f303bb3f8172eca7771b890b7c%2 526mpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.co. uk%25252Fitm%25252FMotorcycle-Cruiser-Moto-Guzzi%25252F333277339139%25253Fhash%25253Ditem4d98 e09e03%25253Ag%25253AHnoAAOSwkYxdOqKp%2526srcrot%2 53D710-53481-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D2060589529931%2526rvr_ts%253D4a97 56e516c0a9cada1300ffffb4dce0&ul_noapp=true

No you dont, but it does appear the builder emptied his nutsack for inspiration to build that tank

[sidecar bob]

I can't decide if it's optimistic or realistic' but I'm certainly fond.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2256311383

[Laava]

This one will sit on TM for a while.... 8yrs old, only done 1400 km, that kinda says a lot about it's useability...
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2206324271.htm?rsqid=48c24c10a6484a42aa73863889418 d56-004

[layton]

I can't decide if it's optimistic or realistic' but I'm certainly fond.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2256311383


i can see the appeal, but with 35K i would buy something else. looks in good shape, first time i have seen one of these.

[sidecar bob]

i can see the appeal, but with 35K i would buy something else. looks in good shape, first time i have seen one of these.

If it had 4 valve Krauser heads it would be that for sure, I guess the market will decide.

[Laava]

This guy is sounding a little like our "Boat tail" mate up in Paihia. Is advertised as a Harley Davidson, but the only bit from HD would seem to be the 4 spd gearbox casings.
Prob quite nice in the flesh tho but will be hard to sell at that price. Maybe sound out Jay Leno?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2179221290.htm?rsqid=48c24c10a6484a42aa73863889418 d56-004

[Voltaire]

I can't decide if it's optimistic or realistic' but I'm certainly fond.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2256311383



The quintessential Airhead, doesn't get any better than this

I won't be rushing out to sell my R90/s for it... If I wanted early 80's glam its Ducati all the way :Punk:

[Laava]

I can't decide if it's optimistic or realistic' but I'm certainly fond.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2256311383
He has a Norton for sale, brand new, as well. He says it is a 2014 but will be registered as a 2017 model? Sounds a bit off...

[Voltaire]

He has a Norton for sale, brand new, as well. He says it is a 2014 but will be registered as a 2017 model? Sounds a bit off...

He is up front about it, unlike the 1998 900ss sold to me as a 2001 by now defunct bike shop in Penrose.
Priced ok but rather have a thruxton , but with two speeding tickets in two months on 45 year old bikes maybe 50 hp is enough for me:rolleyes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

i can see the appeal, but with 35K i would buy something else. looks in good shape, first time i have seen one of these.

I have a book called "Superbikes of the 70's" and one of those is in it. Cool but not $35k cool.

He has a K1 for $8500 which is cool AF too

[OddDuck]

This one will sit on TM for a while.... 8yrs old, only done 1400 km, that kinda says a lot about it's useability...
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2206324271.htm?rsqid=48c24c10a6484a42aa73863889418 d56-004

yep

60 mph top speed
Range 40 miles city, 20 miles highway

Pretty limited.

[Drew]

I can't decide if it's optimistic or realistic' but I'm certainly fond.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2256311383
I sometimes wonder why we're such good mates.

[sidecar bob]

I sometimes wonder why we're such good mates.

Because we understand each others differences & accept them.:niceone:

[sidecar bob]

I have a book called "Superbikes of the 70's" and one of those is in it. Cool but not $35k cool.

He has a K1 for $8500 which is cool AF too

The one with the low frontal shot of a CBX6 on the cover?
We all had. Most of the pages on mine got stuck together.

[Grumph]

The one with the low frontal shot of a CBX6 on the cover?
We all had. Most of the pages on mine got stuck together.

Shouldn't have loaned it to Drew...

[F5 Dave]

Can't imagine Drew would have the attention span to get a shot out:lol:

[sidecar bob]

Mildly disturbing.
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2017/motorcycle_listing.htm
Probably be me if I was let off the leash.

[husaberg]

mildly disturbing.
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2017/motorcycle_listing.htm
probably be me if i was let off the leash.
342624 wtf

he looks


Hello Engine... The whole reason for doing the bike was because I wanted a Unit/Magneto conversion motor. There is only only a handful around and no one would sell me theirs. So I made my own (there’s a ton of earlier posts on that process)
The crank is a Bonneville with a light flywheel, @dirtyshirtrichter saved the thrashed one I had, grinding the journals and dynamically balanced it. Later Rods and a Johnson mild race cam with a small valve head from a 63 TR6. 10:1 forged pistons. Black diamond valves with a N.O.S Webco spring kit. Crankcases were updated to the post 1970 breather arrangement. The rebuilt Lucas Competition Mag was supplied by @britishswapper Couldn’t have done this without the help of John Ireland who let me raid his parts bins, stood over my shoulder and told my I was nuts but always knew the best way to go about things. I’m sure he’s taught me everything I know, but not everything he knows.

Pics by @jessecarmody
#triumphdesertfox\
http://www.bikeexif.com/how-to-build-a-triumph-desert-sled
https://pikdo.net/tag/triumphdesertfox

So there was some factory ones. Or like this you can make your own.
342625342626342627342628

[HenryDorsetCase]

yellow CB400F please. and the CB350 and a couple of the 750's. An 1100F for dessert.

[husaberg]

yellow CB400F please. and the CB350 and a couple of the 750's. An 1100F for dessert.

GPZ550 plus a heap of MKII-IV spitfires

[sidecar bob]

GPZ550 plus a heap of MKII-IV spitfires

I found the CB750 turbo, opened the pic & got that.
Don't ask why I was searching second hand CB750 turbo kits.:facepalm:

[Grumph]

I found the CB750 turbo, opened the pic & got that.
Don't ask why I was searching second hand CB750 turbo kits.:facepalm:

I've often felt like quoting this - on this thread.

"Is this the real life ? Is it just fantasy ?"

[sidecar bob]

I've often felt like quoting this - on this thread.

"Is this the real life ? Is it just fantasy ?"

I spend my entire life working on, transporting, riding, googling & thinking about motorbikes.
Sometimes it is fantasy.:msn-wink:

[Drew]

I spend my entire life working on, transporting, riding, googling & thinking about motorbikes.
Sometimes it is fantasy.:msn-wink:

You have done very well in that respect.

[sidecar bob]

You have done very well in that respect.

C'mon bro. I bet you don't go a day without your fix either.

[Voltaire]

Mildly disturbing.
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2017/motorcycle_listing.htm
Probably be me if I was let off the leash.

Amazing collection.
I was working in Ireland in the early 00's and an old boy had died and his collection was up for sale. He lived alone and every cupboard including the kitchen was full of motor cycle parts.
His house was neglected and junk everywhere....quite sobering really.
If I could only have one bike what would I choose???

[Laava]

If I could only have one bike what would I choose???
Ooh, start a thread!

[sidecar bob]

If I could only have one bike what would I choose???

Dont waste time even thinking such nonsense.
I could get it down to three, Yamaha T Max 500, Honda CB750F1 & BMW R1200gs.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ooh, start a thread!

Great idea.

[husaberg]

1,800 Vintage Motorcycles Headed for Auction in Florida
An unbelievable 1,800 vintage motorcycles — all belonging to one man — will be auctioned off by J. Wood & Company in a giant three-day event, March 13-15, 2018, in Ocala, Florida. “This is the largest single consignor motorcycle collection that’s ever been offered at a no-reserve auction that I know of,” says auctioneer Jerry Wood. “The largest amount are late 1960s and early 1970s Japanese machines, but there are lots of early Superbikes including a lot of single cam K0 and K1 Honda CB750s.” The collection includes a great many British bikes as well, including a 1973 Triumph Hurricane showing an indicated — and believed original — 510 miles.

According to Wood, the owner’s father was in the motorcycle business decades ago selling BSA, Triumph and Norton. When Honda came along, he started selling them, as well. In 1978 the family moved to Ocala and opened Earl’s Cycle Center. “Earl Jr. loved the motorcycles, but Earl Sr. was there to tell him ‘you can’t keep them all.’ After Earl Sr. passed away in 1998, Earl Jr. started taking motorcycles that he took in trade home with him. He also attended auctions and bought everything he could afford,” Wood says.

Wood says the bikes range in condition from very good to project/salvage, and the collection also includes a huge inventory of NOS parts and “literally tons” of used parts. Wood says that many of the bikes are jammed into sheds, trailers and storage containers on the owner’s property, with many ultimately left outside.
It’s hard to predict results without having seen the bikes firsthand (potential bidders will be able to examine the collection March 11 and 12), but odds are this auction will generate every bit as much interest as J. Wood’s wild 2015 auction in Cuba, Missouri, one of the biggest horde of old bikes ever auctioned prior to the upcoming Ocala auction.

here were the individual lots
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/Earls-Lot-ListingPage1.html

[Beekeeper]

1,800 Vintage Motorcycles Headed for Auction in Florida
An unbelievable 1,800 vintage motorcycles — all belonging to one man — will be auctioned off by J. Wood & Company in a giant three-day event, March 13-15, 2018, in Ocala, Florida. “This is the largest single consignor motorcycle collection that’s ever been offered at a no-reserve auction that I know of,” says auctioneer Jerry Wood. “The largest amount are late 1960s and early 1970s Japanese machines, but there are lots of early Superbikes including a lot of single cam K0 and K1 Honda CB750s.” The collection includes a great many British bikes as well, including a 1973 Triumph Hurricane showing an indicated — and believed original — 510 miles.

According to Wood, the owner’s father was in the motorcycle business decades ago selling BSA, Triumph and Norton. When Honda came along, he started selling them, as well. In 1978 the family moved to Ocala and opened Earl’s Cycle Center. “Earl Jr. loved the motorcycles, but Earl Sr. was there to tell him ‘you can’t keep them all.’ After Earl Sr. passed away in 1998, Earl Jr. started taking motorcycles that he took in trade home with him. He also attended auctions and bought everything he could afford,” Wood says.

Wood says the bikes range in condition from very good to project/salvage, and the collection also includes a huge inventory of NOS parts and “literally tons” of used parts. Wood says that many of the bikes are jammed into sheds, trailers and storage containers on the owner’s property, with many ultimately left outside.
It’s hard to predict results without having seen the bikes firsthand (potential bidders will be able to examine the collection March 11 and 12), but odds are this auction will generate every bit as much interest as J. Wood’s wild 2015 auction in Cuba, Missouri, one of the biggest horde of old bikes ever auctioned prior to the upcoming Ocala auction.

here were the individual lots
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/Earls-Lot-ListingPage1.html

No reserve?

Tell him he’s dreaming


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[F5 Dave]

Great idea.
Only rule would be, it can't just be what bike you currently own, lest that would be a dumb thread of people claiming they've made the right choice already.

I'd like another Trials bike.

And the time and area to ride it.

[sidecar bob]

Only rule would be, it can't just be what bike you currently own, lest that would be a dumb thread of people claiming they've made the right choice already.

I'd like another Trials bike.

And the time and area to ride it.

But I've had four decades of bike ownership & plenty of opportunities to separate the wheat from the chaff.
It would be a bit sad if I hadn't cobbled together a few bikes I really wanted & like by now.

[husaberg]

But I've had four decades of bike ownership & plenty of opportunities to separate the wheat from the chaff.
It would be a bit sad if I hadn't cobbled together a few bikes I really wanted & like by now.
Pull up your socks and that belt tight while you march to your own trumpet as it never hurts to try anything once just as long as you leave wiggle room for ruffled feathers.
Just remember all the roads that lead to Rome were not built in a day, but you might find a needle made of hay.

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[Laava]

Maybe a different take on that would be to have free range on as many and varied different bikes as desired for a test ride and then settle on one. I can say I probably wouldn't have either of the bikes I currently ride, but for different reasons respectively.

[Voltaire]

I haven't taken one for a ride but I quite fancy a Royal Enfield Interceptor, appeal to the inner cheapskate and harks back to when you had one bike that had to do everything. I don't need more than 50 BHP as that's all my Commando and R80ST have and I've toured two up on both.

[F5 Dave]

How about only one bike for every type of riding? I mean Trail bikes make dirt riding fun and difficult terrain possible, but proper knobblies are evil on tarmac.

And Trials is really calling out for a dedicated bike despite being offroad as well.

And what if you wanted to go for a frenzied back road scratch? I mean you couldn't be expected to take your humble GSX. You'd be compelled to use a GSXR. It's only sensible.

[Scubbo]

the question which will never be answered with one bike, eh well, I've found 2 is a pretty good base to cover all

[F5 Dave]

I've whittled it down to just 4, losing the Race bikes and Trials bike, I really am a bit open . There was an RD400 scheduled but as it dragged financial priorities had to be addressed.

Man's life is full of these compromises, heck I sold the Touring bike as well a ways back. Its inhumane.

I should qualify for some form of government grant for the needy motorcyclist.

[Laava]

I should qualify for some form of government grant for the needy motorcyclist.
I agree, but you're more likely to be put in care!

[jasonu]

I should qualify for some form of government grant for the needy motorcyclist.

You're not ethnic enough

[HenryDorsetCase]

You're not ethnic enough

The biggest recipients of welfare in this country are those receiving Govt superannuation. And the biggest group of them (because they are the biggest group) are the baby boomers. More white than brown. $11B a cuple of years ago

[Grumph]

The biggest recipients of welfare in this country are those receiving Govt superannuation. And the biggest group of them (because they are the biggest group) are the baby boomers. More white than brown. $11B a cuple of years ago

And don't think we're not grateful. Thank you very hard.

[F5 Dave]

I agree, but you're more likely to be put in care!
That still sounds strangely comforting.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And don't think we're not grateful. Thank you very hard.

I'm closing in .... free money.

Another statistic-oid I read in t'paper the other day was that half of all tax payers dont actually pay any tax because they get more (Working for Families and so forth) than they pay in tax. The top 5 percent pay more than half of all income tax. Or summat. there were graphs and shit. also deciles.

[speedpro]

The biggest recipients of welfare in this country are those receiving Govt superannuation. And the biggest group of them (because they are the biggest group) are the baby boomers. More white than brown. $11B a cuple of years ago

Calling superannuation "welfare" implies you are getting something that you haven't earned. OK there's a few who are going to move from "welfare" to super but the majority have worked long and hard by the time they get superannuation

[HenryDorsetCase]

Calling superannuation "welfare" implies you are getting something that you haven't earned. OK there's a few who are going to move from "welfare" to super but the majority have worked long and hard by the time they get superannuation

You're preaching to the choir buddy. Having said that even adjusting for inflation Super recipients get back way more than they put in... what is that if not welfare?

I can't tell you how many people I know who (especially in the first few years say age 65 to 70) are comfortably earning a couple hundy k a year and not ONE of them has ever said "Yeah, I wont be claiming the Super I dont need it". I know one guy who drove his fucking Rolls Royce to the WINZ office to sign up for it.

It is unsustainable in the medium term, it is mostly about boomer greed, and yes I am arguing against self interest but: it needs to be means tested and it needs to have the age increased to 68 at least. REmember who is going to end up funding this shit - your kids.

Of course as a country we had an opportunity in the 1970's to have a self funding scheme which (like Straya) could have been the backbone of future prosperity (like Straya) but that cunt Muldoon scuppered it in a fit of political pique. That fucker caused about as much damage as Pol Pot.

[jasonu]

The biggest recipients of welfare in this country are those receiving Govt superannuation. And the biggest group of them (because they are the biggest group) are the baby boomers. More white than brown. $11B a cuple of years ago

Superannuation is earned by those that actually work and pay into the system so I don't see it as welfare.

[husaberg]

Of course as a country we had an opportunity in the 1970's to have a self funding scheme which (like Straya) could have been the backbone of future prosperity (like Straya) but that cunt Muldoon scuppered it in a fit of political pique. That fucker caused about as much damage as Pol Pot.
How Muldoon threw away NZ's wealth
Sir Robert Muldoon painted Labour's fledgling super scheme as a step on the way to turning New Zealand into a Soviet clone.
A dreadful political decision, announced on December 15, 1975, transformed New Zealand from the potential Switzerland of the Southern Hemisphere into a low-ranking OECD economy.
Without this decision we would now be called "The Antipodean Tiger" and be the envy of the rest of the world. We would have a current account surplus, one of the lowest interest-rate structures in the world and would probably rank as one of the top five OECD economies.
We would still own ASB Bank, Bank of New Zealand and most of the other major companies now overseas-owned. Our entrepreneurs would have a plentiful supply of risk capital and would probably own a large number of Australian companies.
Most New Zealanders would face a comfortable retirement and would be the envy of their Australian peers. The Government would have a substantial Budget surplus and we would have one of the best educational and healthcare systems in the world.
What destroyed this potential on December 15, 1975?
That was the day Robert Muldoon, the newly elected Prime Minister, announced the abolition of the 37-week-old compulsory New Zealand Superannuation Scheme, introduced by the previous Labour Government.
* After a short phase-in period contributions were 8 per cent of gross income, 4 per cent by employees and 4 per cent by employers.
* The scheme was not taxable except for stamp and cheque duties.
* Contributors could receive a lump-sum payment up to one-quarter of the value of their individual fund on retirement with the rest distributed as income on a regular basis. It appears the lump-sum payments were tax free but the regular income was subject to normal income tax.
here is little doubt the abolition of the Superannuation Scheme was our worst economic decision over the past 40 years. The economy would be in a much stronger position today had the far-sighted scheme stayed.
The scheme would now be worth more than $240 billion based on the following assumptions:
* An annual contribution of 8 per cent for every employee.
* A balanced portfolio of 50 per cent invested in New Zealand Government bonds and 50 per cent in the New Zealand sharemarket.
* Annual returns based on the performance of Government bonds and the NZX benchmark index.
* Two per cent of the fund withdrawn every year for retirees.
The $240 billion figure is conservative as no dividends are taken into account until 1995, offshore returns were higher over the past 30 years and no account is taken of the ability of investment managers to outperform the benchmark indices.
New Zealand would have led the world in terms of savings. Based on the $240 billion projection each worker would have $111,200 of superannuation assets compared with $6300 at present and A$74,400 ($86,821) in Australia.
Disclosure of interest: Brian Gaynor is an investment strategist and analyst at Milford Asset Management.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10465138

[sidecar bob]

How about these optimistic sellers eh? :innocent:

[rustys]

What the fuck is Superanuation got to do with "Optimistic sellers" ........

[HenryDorsetCase]

What the fuck is Superanuation got to do with "Optimistic sellers" ........

Well some of us have to fund our retirements by selling our toys at vastly inflated prices. Sidecar Bob has promised me his RC30 for ten grand.

[Ocean1]

Well some of us have to fund our retirements by selling our toys at vastly inflated prices. Sidecar Bob has promised me his RC30 for ten grand.

Steady on old chap, smacks of the thin end of the trickle-down wedge.

[Laava]

How about these optimistic sellers eh? :innocent:
Yeah! WTF is up with them?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2245957523.htm?rsqid=27f8371a368a42ccae4bd772533ca d29-001

[husaberg]

One of my all time favourite bikes and Price is likely fairly close........but what do they actually go for... I cant remember the last one i seen for sale?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2260389984.htm?rsqid=19f4766087084011a3be9f0d53af1 11b-001

[sidecar bob]

Well some of us have to fund our retirements by selling our toys at vastly inflated prices. Sidecar Bob has promised me his RC30 for ten grand.

Sadly the RC30 belongs to my kind & generous boss, Carl Cox.
I'd never want anyone to be misled on that. I hope I didn't give the impression that it was mine.

[jellywrestler]

Yeah! WTF is up with them?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2245957523.htm?rsqid=27f8371a368a42ccae4bd772533ca d29-001

seller is Tshop, is that short for tip shop?

[Grumph]

Superannuation is earned by those that actually work and pay into the system so I don't see it as welfare.

Wrong. You can be on unemployment/sickness/invalids or the DPB for your entire life up to 65. All of which are taxed.
Once you hit that magic figure you transfer to Superannuation.

And the recorded statistics see one less on a benefit.

But hey, I'm always an optimistic seller. Not always a successful one though.

[Voltaire]

Chortle....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114613670/you-call-us-rich-old-baby-boomers-but-we-deserve-everything-weve-got

[jasonu]

Chortle....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114613670/you-call-us-rich-old-baby-boomers-but-we-deserve-everything-weve-got

Good article.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah! WTF is up with them?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-2245957523.htm?rsqid=27f8371a368a42ccae4bd772533ca d29-001
Well. . . At least he's improved it:laugh:

[layton]

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/aprilia/listing/2263022150?tm=email&et=47&mt=78CAD1F1-B6C6-45C4-BD4D-5A5EB34080A

Eh, no thanks.

[OddDuck]

It's very cute but... why?

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/2263660853

I don't think there's anything wrong with the bike itself. It's just - where does it fit in these days? Reserve already lowered by $500 from a first go at $3450.

[OddDuck]

It's clearly his baby, it's absolutely immaculate, it's still less than 100,000 km's despite being from 1992, it's affordably priced at... hang on, how much?

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/2263389465

The stainless bolts used might be a worry, too.

[husaberg]

It's very cute but... why?

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/2263660853

I don't think there's anything wrong with the bike itself. It's just - where does it fit in these days? Reserve already lowered by $500 from a first go at $3450.

Because hell yeah thats why..........
Kenny Robberts an't dead.
They did back years ago qualify for half rego costs for 50's not sure if you still can.

[Drew]

https://trademe.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/aprilia/listing/2263022150?tm=email&et=47&mt=78CAD1F1-B6C6-45C4-BD4D-5A5EB34080A

Eh, no thanks.
Wasn't 04 the year they got the new shape? I'm thinking this is an 02 or 03 first registered in 04.

[nodrog]

Wasn't 04 the year they got the new shape? I'm thinking this is an 02 or 03 first registered in 04.

Correct. I had the new shape, and it had a build date of 03. The date is on headstock, and motor, and swingarm

[HenryDorsetCase]

The stainless bolts used might be a worry, too.

How come? are they less stronger-er than normal bolts?

[jellywrestler]

How come? are they less stronger-er than normal bolts?
don't have the shear strength

[F5 Dave]

And again. . .std commands the money. Do a special for you but don't expect to get your money back

[Laava]

And again. . .std commands the money. Do a special for you but don't expect to get your money back
Found that out when I rebuilt my 85 slabbie. It was absolutely mint, couldn't even bring myself to ride it, but I painted it solid red. The paint was perfect but for the same or similar money I could have done it back to original with decals and it would have been worth another $2k at least more than I sold it for. Cum dunt.

[onearmedbandit]

Because hell yeah thats why..........
Kenny Robberts an't dead.
They did back years ago qualify for half rego costs for 50's not sure if you still can.

Heck yes, that bike has a lot of appeal.

[OddDuck]

How come? are they less stronger-er than normal bolts?

Two reasons: strength (as already posted)

Stainless steel fasteners have about 1/3rd the strength of high tensile steel (grade 12.9 is the good stuff)

Second reason is galvanic corrosion. Stainless in direct contact with aluminium will slowly but surely cause the ally to get attacked.

[jasonu]

Found that out when I rebuilt my 85 slabbie. It was absolutely mint, couldn't even bring myself to ride it, but I painted it solid red. The paint was perfect but for the same or similar money I could have done it back to original with decals and it would have been worth another $2k at least more than I sold it for. Cum dunt.

A repaint to standard colors is not worth as much as mint ORIGINAL paint.

[Laava]

Yep but that was hardly my point. I was doing a full rebuild on a bike that was not mint.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Two reasons: strength (as already posted)

Stainless steel fasteners have about 1/3rd the strength of high tensile steel (grade 12.9 is the good stuff)

Second reason is galvanic corrosion. Stainless in direct contact with aluminium will slowly but surely cause the ally to get attacked.

Ho ho. Thanks for that.

Presumably its why copper anti seize is a thing. Similar with Titanium into aluminium or steel I understand but correct me if I am wrong.

Also: I love the fact that Mitre 10 has bolts including high tensile (8.8 I think) but holy crap, do they charge for them or what?

[Drew]

Ho ho. Thanks for that.

Presumably its why copper anti seize is a thing. Similar with Titanium into aluminium or steel I understand but correct me if I am wrong.

Also: I love the fact that Mitre 10 has bolts including high tensile (8.8 I think) but holy crap, do they charge for them or what?

EDL for all things 'fixing' related. Rod ends, bolts, cap screws, anything. They're the best.

[babysteps]

Also: I love the fact that Mitre 10 has bolts including high tensile (8.8 I think) but holy crap, do they charge for them or what?

Blacks Fasteners are your friend, they will sell you 1 bolt

[malcy25]

high tensile steel (grade 12.9 is the good stuff)

AS I understand it, the higher the tensile strength, the more brittle/less malleable the fastener will be.

I met a guy who'd been in the industry for years, many years ago when one of my bikes had a habit of breaking sprocket bolts. He cautioned against using 12.9's as they were more brittle.....and a good 8.8 in most situations is fine. He also cautioned against using zinc plated bolts as they can create a torqueing issue, as the zinc will add drag and while you may tighten to a measured x fl/lbs the clamping force created by the bolt will be less. He suggested non plated bolts, of 8.8 tensile and 243 Loctite to help lube and add a slight amount of shock absorbing capability or lightly oiled and a reasonable torque setting of c 20ft/lb on a M8 bolt

Bolts were breaking or coming loose in one to two races, yet they were lock tabbed etc. The lack of clamping force was not matting the sprocket against the hub well, compounded by a 6mm alloy spacer behind the sprocket, which was causing tension to subside..... (Sprockets don't carry the force in shear!). Got the clamping aspect sorted and the problem went away....

[pritch]

If I was still a Ducati owner I’d find this thread slightly concerning. Bearing in mind Ducati riders already have more than their fair share of concerns.

Ducati fasteners turned brown at a rate that astounded chemists, so there was/is a thriving aftermarket selling complete sets of stainless fasteners to replace the factory originals.


Do these poor unfortunates now have to worry about electrolysis as well as the tensile strength of their bolts, and their nuts?

[FJRider]

... Do these poor unfortunates now have to worry about electrolysis as well as the tensile strength of their bolts, and their nuts?

Ducati riders get their nuts cut off to save weight ... :shifty:

[jellywrestler]

EDL for all things 'fixing' related. Rod ends, bolts, cap screws, anything. They're the best.

except their stock varies, last time i was there i got half of the dome nuts one height and half the other, when i requested they all be the same the guy really couldn't figure what to do, i didn't care which type, just all the same.
same with cap screws, half were fluted half not....
also miniumum sale is a pain when you want 1/2 dozen items.

[pete376403]

Anzcor (Glover st, off Ngauranga Gorge) dont have minimum quantity

[F5 Dave]

Ahh fuk my pet hate is trade discounts. We ring up as work, 1st contact, yeah we'll give you 50% off stainless. And if you buy more it becomes 60 or even 70.

Just stop lying about the fucking price! Do you think we're stupid? (yes they probably do, but we're not).

Problem is the punter goes in off the street and collects the stupidly inflated price. Happens more and more, bearings etc.

[jellywrestler]

Anzcor (Glover st, off Ngauranga Gorge) dont have minimum quantity

yip they do......

[jellywrestler]

Ahh fuk my pet hate is trade discounts. .
so, you expect me to source materials, mostly in my own time, as the customer doesn't want you to do an hours work where they're watching, and be charged for 1.5 hrs, then give it to them at the same rpice, plus provide a warranty etc?

[Grumph]

Blacks Fasteners are your friend, they will sell you 1 bolt

Yep, HDC is in ChCh - and only has to go down the road from mitre10 Hornby to get a much better selection - and a better price.

He's complained about the Sockburn roundabout, they're now right next to it.

[pete376403]

yip they do......

Not for anything I have bought there... handful of button head 6mm socket heads, a few things like that. Maybe they would have been cheaper if I'd bought 100 or so.

[jellywrestler]

Not for anything I have bought there... handful of button head 6mm socket heads, a few things like that. Maybe they would have been cheaper if I'd bought 100 or so.

i've spent years restoring my digger, the one i brought a motor from your that actually ended up in the bike, or parts of it, i've got loads of stainless over time, anytime i've been in it's been $20, a real pain in the butt when you're trying to finish one job at a time, dunno what you'll strike next so only wnat small lots.
do you normally deal with them and get a special backdoor treatment?

[F5 Dave]

i've spent years restoring my digger, the one i brought a motor from your that actually ended up in the bike, or parts of it, i've got loads of stainless over time, anytime i've been in it's been $20, a real pain in the butt when you're trying to finish one job at a time, dunno what you'll strike next so only wnat small lots.
do you normally deal with them and get a special backdoor treatment?


so, you expect me to source materials, mostly in my own time, as the customer doesn't want you to do an hours work where they're watching, and be charged for 1.5 hrs, then give it to them at the same rpice, plus provide a warranty etc?



So You want a backdoor agreement but you dont want me to have a front door one?

When I can buy bearings cheaper from Ripco than Saeco, who I'd previously been dealing with for 20 years, then yes. I'm sore about it . Its complete bullshit.

[jellywrestler]

So You want a backdoor agreement but you dont want me to have a front door one?

When I can buy bearings cheaper from Ripco than Saeco, who I'd previously been dealing with for 20 years, then yes. I'm sore about it . Its complete bullshit.

not at all, just stating what's happening, fact is, the price isn't any different, it's just i can't buy any less than $20 worth.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yep, HDC is in ChCh - and only has to go down the road from mitre10 Hornby to get a much better selection - and a better price.

He's complained about the Sockburn roundabout, they're now right next to it.

I work at church corner too so I have to drive past Blacks to get to Mitre10 in Hornbag..

But I drive past the one in Colombo st on the way to work.

All good. I bought four bolts at Blacks this week for a little job (I have a bunch of M5 (pushbikes) M6 (motorbike) and M8 stuff but didnt have any M10. Except idea 1 didnt work so I had to go with idea 2 requiring longer bolts.... which I got at Mitre 10. I called in on the offchance and they had quite a good selection.

The thing is if you're organised, Blacks is great. But I am usually not and Mitre 10 is open on Saturday arvo and Sunday. And till 6pm weekdays.

[OddDuck]

AS I understand it, the higher the tensile strength, the more brittle/less malleable the fastener will be.

I met a guy who'd been in the industry for years, many years ago when one of my bikes had a habit of breaking sprocket bolts. He cautioned against using 12.9's as they were more brittle.....and a good 8.8 in most situations is fine. He also cautioned against using zinc plated bolts as they can create a torqueing issue, as the zinc will add drag and while you may tighten to a measured x fl/lbs the clamping force created by the bolt will be less. He suggested non plated bolts, of 8.8 tensile and 243 Loctite to help lube and add a slight amount of shock absorbing capability or lightly oiled and a reasonable torque setting of c 20ft/lb on a M8 bolt

Bolts were breaking or coming loose in one to two races, yet they were lock tabbed etc. The lack of clamping force was not matting the sprocket against the hub well, compounded by a 6mm alloy spacer behind the sprocket, which was causing tension to subside..... (Sprockets don't carry the force in shear!). Got the clamping aspect sorted and the problem went away....

Interesting. I've not heard that about zinc before - I'd have thought the opposite, the zinc would make a relatively soft bearing surface on steel etc and thus actually help correct torquing. Perhaps the zinc then flows away under high pressure, thus reducing the clamping force? Or the zinc shreds in the last phase of tightening, hence the torquing issue? Curious.

Agree with lightly oiled or 243 Loctite (formulated to same viscosity as light oil), clean threads, no dirt, no bent or bashed threads, should be able to twirl a fastener home between finger and thumb or else something's wrong.

Your alloy spacer: I take it that this was alloy contacting a steel sprocket? I've tended to find that alloy on alloy grips really well, the metal bonds together... alloy on steel doesn't, it forms a bearing pair instead and things slip.

[OddDuck]

If I was still a Ducati owner I’d find this thread slightly concerning. Bearing in mind Ducati riders already have more than their fair share of concerns.

Ducati fasteners turned brown at a rate that astounded chemists, so there was/is a thriving aftermarket selling complete sets of stainless fasteners to replace the factory originals.


Do these poor unfortunates now have to worry about electrolysis as well as the tensile strength of their bolts, and their nuts?

I've certainly seen every fastener in the vicinity of a brakepad turn dusty black - permanently - in a very short time. The brown might just be very thin passivation on the stock fasteners - I'm sure the factory were placing large orders to a strict price point and the vendor had to survive somehow.

Ahh ducati's. They're fucking great when they're on song.

[OddDuck]

Buying fasteners - if you're using a lot of one particular type, say M6 x 25 cap screws - I've found RadioSpares worth a look. Very sharp pricing per fastener as long as you don't mind buying 25 / 30 / 50 etc at a time.

[F5 Dave]

Well price looks ok but:tugger:

Ahh bugger, can't post direct. Try here. Enjoy.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32891771678.html?pid=808_0000_0201&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.gallery.32891771678&aff_trace_key=37cbac88a8f64b47ba886f058c5e57e4-1562876915756-09694-R9YiFDQ&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=9759amp-6WG1V4NYjbERVXttrSa_OA1565384721765

[F5 Dave]

1, 3, 15 of these, I don't think it's worth it


https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2253780515.htm?rsqid=b89ba4de42214533b7ca5b69902dd 13e-004

[F5 Dave]

So does this just look like some sad old tourer that someone has taken parts off, then replaced a few trinkets off aliexpress?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2258957004.htm?rsqid=410915457a994af2b1970e243665a 3e1-007

I particularly like the muffler and the exquisite mounting system. Its fucking gold.:laugh:

[Laava]

So does this just look like some sad old tourer that someone has taken parts off, then replaced a few trinkets off aliexpress?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2258957004.htm?rsqid=410915457a994af2b1970e243665a 3e1-007

I particularly like the muffler and the exquisite mounting system. Its fucking gold.:laugh:
He says it 's a real hoot to ride. Think you'll find it's a peacock in the tank, not a fucking owl!