Optimistic sellers

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174748-2006-VTR-250-For-Sale?p=1130866407#post1130866407

wait, whut?

[Mike.Gayner]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174748-2006-VTR-250-For-Sale?p=1130866407#post1130866407

wait, whut?

WTF it's nine years old. Can't be worth much more brand new, can they?

[bogan]

WTF it's nine years old. Can't be worth much more brand new, can they?

Well, if they had a 40% off runout special on em anytime in the last 9 years you* can go and demand 40% off that one and get it for a fair price :whistle:






*assuming they are not a stupid salesperson of course

[Drew]

WTF it's nine years old. Can't be worth much more brand new, can they?

I'd expect it to sell for $5k.

[mossy1200]

I'd expect it to sell for $5k.

Suzuki Inazuma GW250 2015 advertised 5k new on tele today during the moto GP coverage.

Or http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-892013836.htm

Not a hyobag fan but comes with warranty.

[Drew]

Suzuki Inazuma GW250 2015 advertised 5k new on tele today during the moto GP coverage.

Or http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-892013836.htm

Not a hyobag fan but comes with warranty.
Neither of those bikes hold a candle to the VTR though. Value and economy, are not the same thing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'd expect it to sell for $5k.

I'll defer to your expertise. I thought $3500 would top one.

I can however buy a brand new Honda Grom with that same $5k.

Its a monkey bike. for, like grownups.

[Drew]

I'll defer to your expertise. I thought $3500 would top one.

I can however buy a brand new Honda Grom with that same $5k.

Its a monkey bike. for, like grownups.
Paid $4200 for my wife's one, it's mint but older.

[Smifffy]

Too easy. Have a look while my post is still there.

There might not be such a thing as a stupid question. There are, however, a lot of inquisitive idiots....

[F5 Dave]

Thats not me. My post is gone. I think its a 350 bottom end.

[pritch]

Neither of those bikes hold a candle to the VTR though. Value and economy, are not the same thing.

Agreed. As 250s go the VTR was in a class of its own.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Agreed. As 250s go the VTR was in a class of its own.

I have been looking at them going "I could make a mini-Scrambler out of one very easily". I reckon that could be fun.

I will add that to my list of projects!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Agreed. As 250s go the VTR was in a class of its own.

I reckon the Spada was even bettera.

[Drew]

I reckon the Spada was even bettera.

Aluminium frame weren't they?

VTR leaves a lot left begging when ya ride a BROS I thought.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Aluminium frame weren't they?

VTR leaves a lot left begging when ya ride a BROS I thought.

Yep. Slightly more power too I thought.

[Drew]

Yep. Slightly more power too I thought.

First I've heard that. I was under the impression that the motor never changed once they stopped them eating camshafts. Could be in the carbs/pipe/timing though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

First I've heard that. I was under the impression that the motor never changed once they stopped them eating camshafts. Could be in the carbs/pipe/timing though.

40PS vs 32PS I think

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=896602376


So. Much. Classy.

Price is OK I guess.

Wonder how far that tattoo goes?

[F5 Dave]

Why put that dirty little thing in there? , just trying to false advertise but I didn't want to see it. 749s in yellow are gross. Price looks pretty good even for the kms.

[nudemetalz]

Yup definite class there, if they're trying to get a foot into online motorcycle trading.

To quote their Ducati Monster advert -
"Well, your mates won't be laughing at you any more when they clap eyes on this throbbing Monster between your legs!
Not only that, but all the girls will be wanting to straddle your Monster too!"

.......I'll keep the Guzzi thanks. :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350979850818?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Madness]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350979850818?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

US $450, NZD approx $629.02, Shipping NZD approx $104.82, Add GST @15% = NZD $843.92 for a bit of flat, green plastic with two holes.

Fucking win!

[Tazz]

US $450, NZD approx $629.02, Shipping NZD approx $104.82, Add GST @15% = NZD $843.92 for a bit of flat, green plastic with two holes.

Fucking win!
Shit, you could almost call him optimistic or something aye....XD

[awa355]

It does come in two colours AND with pre-drilled mounting holes. :2thumbsup:2thumbsup.

The details state it is "an extremely rare" piece of square plastic.

[Kickaha]

US $450, NZD approx $629.02, Shipping NZD approx $104.82, Add GST @15% = NZD $843.92 for a bit of flat, green plastic with two holes.

Fucking win!

That one is a bit on the high side but I have seen NOS plastic going for $4-500NZD

[Crasherfromwayback]

That one is a bit on the high side but I have seen NOS plastic going for $4-500NZD

Yeah for certain pieces for certain models. But not a front # board for one of these.

[nudemetalz]

Yeah for certain pieces for certain models. But not a front # board for one of these.

Would an NOS number board for a 70's steel tanker KX be worth that?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Would an NOS number board for a 70's steel tanker KX be worth that?

Like anything mate...only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it at the time.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah the usps estimated freight costs are a joke. That could almost be an oversize letter & $100 to post it is just silly, should be $12.

[jasonu]

Yeah the usps estimated freight costs are a joke. That could almost be an oversize letter & $100 to post it is just silly, should be $12.

Yes Dave the shipping price is a rip off. Shipping to NZ for that would be about $20USD

[jasonu]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Suzuki-GSX-R-/201364236299?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee23e680b&item=201364236299

If they expect this sort of money they should consider some better pictures.

[mossy1200]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Suzuki-GSX-R-/201364236299?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee23e680b&item=201364236299

If they expect this sort of money they should consider some better pictures.

A muffler bracket also.

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-899173147.htm

WOW.
Bent camera maybe. Lucky its got new wheel bearings.

[F5 Dave]

Ohh, ohh!

Oval is the new round.


You read it here first.

[mossy1200]

Ohh, ohh!

Oval is the new round.


You read it here first.

Has the rainbow bend forks for colourful cornering also.

[Pumba]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-899173147.htm

WOW.
Bent camera maybe. Lucky its got new wheel bearings.


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[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-899512897.htm

May require additional work beyond the advertisers list.

[EJK]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-899512897.htm

May require additional work beyond the advertisers list.

I could buy a decent 2nd hand Yamaha Scorpio with that money and still get some change for McDonalds.

[Smifffy]

I could buy a decent 2nd hand Yamaha Scorpio with that money and still get some change for McDonalds.

Would that come with a bag of chips?

[imdying]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-899173147.htm

WOW.
Bent camera maybe. Lucky its got new wheel bearings.

They might have used a GoPro or similar to take it... they have those wide angle lens thingys, and they distort worse the closer you get.

[Smifffy]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-899173147.htm

WOW.
Bent camera maybe. Lucky its got new wheel bearings.

Seller location: Gore, Southland, NZ

[JayDNZ]

His has not written it clearly, but I think what he's saying is that if you bid and win without coming to see it, you fucken own it. Not, I've bid, now I'll come have a look and decide if I want it.


Yeah, I thinknow you're right.

I've sold 4 cars on TM, each time the winner never viewed before bidding. Fortunately they all paid and drove away (one guy even paid into my bank before meeting me or ever seeing the car and collected the next day).

I'd be pissed if they didn't follow through, which must happen a lot.

[F5 Dave]

That's dreading a few pages back. But I cannot believe people are stupid enough to buy a vehicle aside from a restoration, project, based on pictures.
I used to see heaps of bikes I walked away from because people are dishonest pricks when it comes to unloading their financial albatross which either sounds like a cement mixer, is unsafe or with a car the spectre of rust.

[Mike.Gayner]

I used to see heaps of bikes I walked away from because people are dishonest pricks

My only bad experience in dealing on Trademe was with the fuckwit who sold me my current bike. Told him I would be coming from Tauranga (to Auckland) to buy the bike, I insisted that it had a new WOF when I got there. I ask the question I always ask - "is there anything else I need to know before I come all the way from Tauranga to pick up this bike". Of course not, nope, perfect etc.

When I got there the battery was fucked (lights wouldn't even turn on), front tyre was bald and there was no WOF. I was totally prepared to walk away, but in the end I bought it for a few hundred off the previously-negotiated price (after test riding it from a jump start). It's a great bike, so there's no reason the fuckwit should have been such a cunt about it. Fucking pommy wanker.

[JayDNZ]

coming from Tauranga (to Auckland) to buy the bike, I insisted that it had a new WOF when I got there.

Travelling from out of town is the only time I'd buy from photo's only, I've never done it mind but might someday.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ive done it a few times only been burned once

[Laava]

My only bad experience in dealing on Trademe was with the fuckwit who sold me my current bike. Told him I would be coming from Tauranga (to Auckland) to buy the bike, I insisted that it had a new WOF when I got there. I ask the question I always ask - "is there anything else I need to know before I come all the way from Tauranga to pick up this bike". Of course not, nope, perfect etc.

When I got there the battery was fucked (lights wouldn't even turn on), front tyre was bald and there was no WOF. I was totally prepared to walk away, but in the end I bought it for a few hundred off the previously-negotiated price (after test riding it from a jump start). It's a great bike, so there's no reason the fuckwit should have been such a cunt about it. Fucking pommy wanker.

You were probably unlucky mate, of course not all deals are perfect but the human factor can be fucked sometimes.
Bought a Buell from wellies over TM and told the guy it was subject to a bike shop mech check which he was happy with. He took it to Wellington MC and I paid them to give it a look over which was about $130 ish from memory. They rang me and gave it the nod and the owner left it at the bike shop until he confirmed payment and then they released it to me. So I guess I used them as a broker, but everyone was happy. I would use this method again.
Still a second hand bike can show problems that are unseen or didn't exist the week before etc etc.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. But I cannot believe people are stupid enough to buy a vehicle aside from a restoration, project, based on pictures.
.

I bought my SS ute from a guy in Auckland off TM sight unseen in person. Best vehicle I've ever owned.

[Mike.Gayner]

I bought my SS ute from a guy in Auckland off TM sight unseen in person. Best vehicle I've ever owned.

If you're buying it in person it's not really sight unseen, is it?

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you're buying it in person it's not really sight unseen, is it?

I meant I bought it off him via TM...but never saw it in person. Pictures via TM yes...in person no. The guy was a down to earth good cunt. His description of the ute was 100% accurate (round down to the noisy water pump), his feedback was 100% positive (although this was the first vehicle he'd sold via TM). I scored the cheapest V8 with leather interior SS ute I've ever seen on TM. Score. Maybe it's because I expect people to trust me online or over the phone when I'm selling them motorcycles. Maybe I was just lucky.

[Smifffy]

I meant I bought it off him via TM...but never saw it in person. Pictures via TM yes...in person no. The guy was a down to earth good cunt. His description of the ute was 100% accurate (round down to the noisy water pump), his feedback was 100% positive (although this was the first vehicle he'd sold via TM). I scored the cheapest V8 with leather interior SS ute I've ever seen on TM. Score. Maybe it's because I expect people to trust me online or over the phone when I'm selling them motorcycles. Maybe I was just lucky.

I think that in general, a square dealer that has done a number of square deals will tell a square or dodgy deal when they see one.

Gut feel, subtle alarm bells or whatever...

Some folk get caught out because they haven't done enough deals, others think everyone is dodgy cos they've done a dodgy deal or two themselves etc...

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=899083739

Optimistic??? Best let it go for $5 and a packet of crisps.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think that in general, a square dealer that has done a number of square deals will tell a square or dodgy deal when they see one.

Gut feel, subtle alarm bells or whatever...

Some folk get caught out because they haven't done enough deals, others think everyone is dodgy cos they've done a dodgy deal or two themselves etc...

I think you're 100% correct.

[F5 Dave]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=899083739

Optimistic??? Best let it go for $5 and a packet of crisps.
So this is what this whole thread has been the lead up to. Some self depreciatingly humour? Staunch set up for several months.:2thumbsup

[GSF]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-903332784.htm

My favourite part is how it's not even an SR400. Pay four thousand and you deserve to be shot with a ball of your own shit.
Interesting angle on the rego plate/tail light too.

[mossy1200]

So this is what this whole thread has been the lead up to. Some self depreciatingly humour? Staunch set up for several months.:2thumbsup

I really felt like some chips but it seems even a fiver and chips is OTT.
Its got to the stage I don't want to sell it again. I was selling to part fund new bike but now I have new bike. Maybe I should use it as my around town bike as the f4 hates zero to 80kph anyway.

[Tazz]

I really felt like some chips but it seems even a fiver and chips is OTT.
Its got to the stage I don't want to sell it again. I was selling to part fund new bike but now I have new bike. Maybe I should use it as my around town bike as the f4 hates zero to 80kph anyway.
You don't really have a choice if you don't want to drop the price. Fair coin for something that has uncertainty regarding getting it legal. If it was already good to go....

I reckon keep it, get it road legal, enjoy your work, change that headlight that honestly doesn't fit the tidy clean style of the rest of it, unknown step, profit.

[mossy1200]

You don't really have a choice if you don't want to drop the price. Fair coin for something that has uncertainty regarding getting it legal. If it was already good to go....

I reckon keep it, get it road legal, enjoy your work, change that headlight that honestly doesn't fit the tidy clean style of the rest of it, unknown step, profit.

There wont ever be profit. Its owing me over 5k without plate.
Might legal it soon. Ill go get the plate at some stage. Wont be an issue other than pay the 475.
Headlight. Photos don't do much for that. In the flesh everyone that has seen the light comments and likes it so if I am going to ride it ill keep it and maybe buy a second headlight to market it with both styles later.

My new rides so hard to get around town on I am either keeping the K100 or replacing it with a road legal enduro or motard now.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=904403390


Hmmmmmmm. How did it get there? Who runs it till it stops?

Fascinating.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-903332784.htm

My favourite part is how it's not even an SR400. Pay four thousand and you deserve to be shot with a ball of your own shit.
Interesting angle on the rego plate/tail light too.

I really like it but no way would I buy it especially for four grand. The actual drum brake SR400 on TM I have offered the seller their asking price for (fuck the tax man....)

[James Deuce]

I really like it but no way would I buy it especially for four grand. The actual drum brake SR400 on TM I have offered the seller their asking price for (fuck the tax man....)

That's the one I want for Distinguished Gentleman's Day you utter bastard.

[F5 Dave]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=904403390


Hmmmmmmm. How did it get there? Who runs it till it stops?

Fascinating.
The dead guy who was steering it.

[F5 Dave]

[QUOTE=GSF;1130874278]http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-903332784.htm

My favourite part is how it's not even an SR400. Pay four thousand and you deserve to be shot with a ball of your own shit.
Interesting angle on the rego plate/tail light too.[/QUOTEI'm not really,. . .or even slightly a drug type of guy, but I believe if that SR tank was stuffed full of Hooch, P and Kronic, it would be worth about $100. . . . going the other way.

[nzspokes]

Ouch

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-906599798.htm

[mossy1200]

Ouch

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-906599798.htm

Luggage is full of premium bud or owner has smoked the bud already.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I do love these (although I'd far prefer a yellow one), but not sure you'll get 12k anytime soon. No matter how nice it is...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=906610713

[F5 Dave]

That is nice, but only really to look at. I had an '80 with silver & black, std muffler & all. It was heavy and slow compared to an XR, but much cooler. Sold it for $1200. Now there's almost a coincidence. Maybe he mistyped a zero?

[Smifffy]

But it has new gaurds, and parts from UK & USA!

[Banditbandit]

I do love these (although I'd far prefer a yellow one), but not sure you'll get 12k anytime soon. No matter how nice it is...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=906610713

Yeah .. not 12 grands worth of bike there ... maybe if he waits another 50 years ...

[Tazz]

But it has new gaurds, and parts from UK & USA!

Wonder if they have an accent.

[pritch]

I do love these (although I'd far prefer a yellow one), but not sure you'll get 12k anytime soon. No matter how nice it is...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=906610713

KBer Sensei, same locality, had one similar in his collection. Haven't seen him on the road in quite a while.

[Crasherfromwayback]

KBer Sensei, same locality, had one similar in his collection. Haven't seen him on the road in quite a while.

Yeah I thought of him when I saw it. Haven't seen him on here in yonks either come to think of it.

[Banditbandit]

Wonder if they have an accent.

They drawl slowly - so you have to wait for them to catch up with the rest of the bike .

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-889448206.htm

Oh yup. Lets take a bike that goes round corners and make it so it doesnt.

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-889448206.htm

Oh yup. Lets take a bike that goes round corners and make it so it doesnt.

I would ride that. Slowly, for a fraction of the price, for short distances and with a tinted visor.:niceone:

[Drew]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-889448206.htm

Oh yup. Lets take a bike that goes round corners and make it so it doesnt.
I wanna do something similar to a gixxer thou.

[F5 Dave]

I was going to say it takes a unique mindset to do that. But they were a bit shit because of the engine anyway.

So then I considered the principle of Reversion to the mean, and then it started to make sense. Some dickhead will try to make it back into a Harley. Next owner will add chrome. Lots of it.

[mossy1200]

I was going to say it takes a unique mindset to do that. But they were a bit shit because of the engine anyway.

So then I considered the principle of Reversion to the mean, and then it started to make sense. Some dickhead will try to make it back into a Harley. Next owner will add chrome. Lots of it.

Needs the headstock angle changed and some long forks plus a banana seat to finish it off.

[Drew]

I was going to say it takes a unique mindset to do that. But they were a bit shit because of the engine anyway.

So then I considered the principle of Reversion to the mean, and then it started to make sense. Some dickhead will try to make it back into a Harley. Next owner will add chrome. Lots of it.

You afraid of different things often?

I wouldn't bother with a Buell, they're fucken heaps of shit that are good at nothing. But a bobber that will wheelie from 140kph, that's fucken cool.

[haydes55]

If you wanted a Harley engine in a bobber..... Why not just buy a Harley?

[F5 Dave]

You afraid of different things often?

I wouldn't bother with a Buell, they're fucken heaps of shit that are good at nothing. But a bobber that will wheelie from 140kph, that's fucken cool.
Well yes. Look at these computer things. No good will come over them, they'll take over the world and I refuse to use them. I only interface with this site through a loophole in an old telephone banking system.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I wouldn't bother with a Buell, they're fucken heaps of shit that are good at nothing. .

I beg to differ. Properly set up, they handle fucking well.

[Drew]

I beg to differ. Properly set up, they handle fucking well.

No, they can be made to handle pretty well for what they are. They still have a huge, heavy, underpowered lump in the middle, with an antiquated gearbox. Delivering drive through a suspension binding, overtaught belt that sucks further power.

Obviously I'm talking about the XB Buells. No idea what the new ones are like.

Don't get me started on the fact that the flywheel was the same item, even though the bike weighed 60 (that might be an exaggeration) kgs less than a skirtster.

Mr Buell was incredibly passionate and driven, and had no problem doing things a bit different. What he failed to do was change those different things when they were proven as less apt to a task.

[HenryDorsetCase]

No, they can be made to handle pretty well for what they are. They still have a huge, heavy, underpowered lump in the middle, with an antiquated gearbox. Delivering drive through a suspension binding, overtaught belt that sucks further power.

Obviously I'm talking about the XB Buells. No idea what the new ones are like.

Don't get me started on the fact that the flywheel was the same item, even though the bike weighed 60 (that might be an exaggeration) kgs less than a skirtster.

Mr Buell was incredibly passionate and driven, and had no problem doing things a bit different. What he failed to do was convince the board of the company which employed him that doing those things would be worth doing, so he had to persevere with a lot of "givens" that were not to his liking.



FTFY

I enjoyed the Buell that I rode. On the road and fairly gently because it was not my bike. Lot of fun I thought.

[mossy1200]

FTFY

I enjoyed the Buell that I rode. On the road and fairly gently because it was not my bike. Lot of fun I thought.

The first time I spotted one on a back road down south it made mad sounds through the valleys and seemed to change direction well. Looked like the rider was enjoying his bike.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No, they can be made to handle pretty well for what they are. They still have a huge, heavy, underpowered lump in the middle, with an antiquated gearbox. Delivering drive through a suspension binding, overtaught belt that sucks further power.

.

You're actually a fucking dreamer Drew. And probably always will be.

[Drew]

You're actually a fucking dreamer Drew. And probably always will be.

How so?

The bikes handle ok, but there are loads of bikes that handle better. So "handle fucken well" is not accurate.

[Crasherfromwayback]

How so?

The bikes handle ok, but there are loads of bikes that handle better. So "handle fucken well" is not accurate.

Because if a bike's not a GSXR 1000, it's automatically a heap of shit and useless. Open your fucking eyes man. I've ridden many many Buells as you can imagine, and I've also ridden all sorts of other bikes. A properly set up Buell, handles fucking well. And if you think you know better than me what good handling is...good for you. But I somehow doubt it. I think that makes you a dreamer. The XB12R has a dry weight of around 180kgs, and although the sporty based lump is heavy, the concentration of that weight is very low and central. On a good twisty road, where it's 100 odd HP doesn't let it down, they're a fucking quick bike to ride. As good as just about any street bike I've ridden of that weight. So to me...that qualifies it as *they handle fucking well*. You ever ridden a proper 250 GP bike Drew? If you have, you'll know they make a GSXR1000 feel like a fat heap of shit. So therefore, by your standards, I could say a GSXR1000 handles like a piece of shit. Correct? And then I'd be talking shit and sound like a dreamer. Because a GSXR1000 handles really well.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-909244525.htm

speaking of good handling.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Because if a bike's not a GSXR 1000, it's automatically a heap of shit and useless. Open your fucking eyes man. I've ridden many many Buells as you can imagine, and I've also ridden all sorts of other bikes. A properly set up Buell, handles fucking well. And if you think you know better than me what good handling is...good for you. But I somehow doubt it. I think that makes you a dreamer. The XB12R has a dry weight of around 180kgs, and although the sporty based lump is heavy, the concentration of that weight is very low and central. On a good twisty road, where it's 100 odd HP doesn't let it down, they're a fucking quick bike to ride. As good as just about any street bike I've ridden of that weight. So to me...that qualifies it as *they handle fucking well*. You ever ridden a proper 250 GP bike Drew? If you have, you'll know they make a GSXR1000 feel like a fat heap of shit. So therefore, by your standards, I could say a GSXR1000 handles like a piece of shit. Correct? And then I'd be talking shit and sound like a dreamer. Because a GSXR1000 handles really well.


I was just looking at an XB9S parked out side the local suuuuuuper market. Tiny little thing. I remember somewhere reading that Erik based his dimensions for them on a 250GP bike..

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was just looking at an XB9S parked out side the local suuuuuuper market. Tiny little thing. I remember somewhere reading that Erik based his dimensions for them on a 250GP bike..

And if you do nasty things to the engine, like we did for one of our customers, 140hp is possible. Even a GSXR1000 would have trouble keeping you sight then. Long straights aside.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've decided that handling isn't that important in a motorcycle. A road bike anyway. Too many other variables. Plus exploiting the nth degree of possibility on the road will end in tears.

Also, one of the most memorable and nicest rides on any bike Ive ever had was on a VT750 Honda. Not even the marginally cooler chain drive one. The 60hp shaft drive VT750C. Talk about handling, Bruce.... it didnt have any.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've decided that handling isn't that important in a motorcycle. A road bike anyway. Too many other variables. Plus exploiting the nth degree of possibility on the road will end in tears.

.

Exactly. I did a 5000km road trip in the States in 07 on an XB12SS. Fucked if I'd want to go any faster through the roads I travelled than I did on that thing.313152

[nzspokes]

I've decided that handling isn't that important in a motorcycle. A road bike anyway. Too many other variables. Plus exploiting the nth degree of possibility on the road will end in tears.

Also, one of the most memorable and nicest rides on any bike Ive ever had was on a VT750 Honda. Not even the marginally cooler chain drive one. The 60hp shaft drive VT750C. Talk about handling, Bruce.... it didnt have any.

Agreed. My good bike is by no means super fast or the best handling in the world. But I loves it.

Really anything above 250cc will keep up with traffic and or cost you your licence.

[Ocean1]

I was just looking at an XB9S parked out side the local suuuuuuper market. Tiny little thing. I remember somewhere reading that Erik based his dimensions for them on a 250GP bike..

Aye. Which is great for close quarters racing involving specially bred riders weighing bugger all.

As a road bike the collection of design foibles makes for a bike that changes direction very quickly, with enough feedback to do so fairly reliably. Even for big guys. There are downsides to that small chassis though.

Even so, if I came across my old XB12R I'd be awfully tempted to reacquire it, it was an absolute hoot, it's engine was particularly crisp and I doubt I've herded any bike of a similar nature as quickly through an apex.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-909244525.htm

speaking of good handling.

No sorry - despite what else you've said here "good handling" and "goldwing" do not belong in the same sentence ...

I've ridden with some fast people on a Goldwing ... the riders can certainly toss them around, but in the corners they still get in the way of the trusty 1250 .. a true sports bike would be even more "all over them"

[Trouser]

No sorry - despite what else you've said here "good handling" and "goldwing" do not belong in the same sentence ...

I've ridden with some fast people on a Goldwing ... the riders can certainly toss them around, but in the corners they still get in the way of the trusty 1250 .. a true sports bike would be even more "all over them"
Detecting irony not your strong point?

[russd7]

No sorry - despite what else you've said here "good handling" and "goldwing" do not belong in the same sentence ...

I've ridden with some fast people on a Goldwing ... the riders can certainly toss them around, but in the corners they still get in the way of the trusty 1250 .. a true sports bike would be even more "all over them"

true that, but there still a lot of persons on sports bikes that don't know how to keep up with a goldwing, even in the corners, just sayin

[haydes55]

true that, but there still a lot of persons on sports bikes that don't know how to keep up with a goldwing, even in the corners, just sayin

Is that due to the ability and agility of the bikes or the pilots? Was the original comment about the bikes agility, rather than the rides ability to utilise the machine to it's best abilities?

[russd7]

Is that due to the ability and agility of the bikes or the pilots? Was the original comment about the bikes agility, rather than the rides ability to utilise the machine to it's best abilities?

cruise ships aren't known for fast cornering but some are more capable than what some would have you believe, on the other hand a speed boat can be prone to running wide if the pilot happens not to know how to use the throttle.
i cant keep up with a skilled rider on a sportsbike or sports tourer when im on my wing but i can certainly corner quicker on the wing than a lot can on their sports bikes.
in answer to your question, they are more agile than they appear.

[Berries]

in answer to your question, they are more agile than they appear.
You'd have to hope so.

[jasonu]

Exactly. I did a 5000km road trip in the States in 07 on an XB12SS. Fucked if I'd want to go any faster through the roads I travelled than I did on that thing.313152

Where wass that pic taken? It looks a lot like Central Oregon, my neck of the woods.

[jasonu]

http://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/5099969187.html

About $3500 over priced.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Where wass that pic taken? It looks a lot like Central Oregon, my neck of the woods.

The road from Mammoth Mountain into Yosemite National Park. Motorcycle heaven!

[F5 Dave]

http://bend.craigslist.org/mcy/5099969187.html

About $3500 over priced.

Ohh don't be so harsh, the yellow frame and flaming skull graphics make that alone worth the entry price. :sick:

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-910303495.htm


This is cool and all, but:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-906678295.htm


A very good example of a bike not being worth what it cost you.

$5k for the café one would be good buying....

[Banditbandit]

Detecting irony not your strong point?

Yeah .. I was sort of making a joke .. just in case you missed that ...


true that, but there still a lot of persons on sports bikes that don't know how to keep up with a goldwing, even in the corners, just sayin

Yes. Lot's of people have more bike than they can handle ..



i cant keep up with a skilled rider on a sportsbike or sports tourer when im on my wing but i can certainly corner quicker on the wing than a lot can on their sports bikes.
in answer to your question, they are more agile than they appear.

Yes, they are much more agile than they appear .. especially the later model ones ... I never underestimate a wing on the road - I wait and see what the rider can really do ...

[F5 Dave]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-910303495.htm


This is cool and all, but:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-906678295.htm


A very good example of a bike not being worth what it cost you.

$5k for the café one would be good buying....

Another example of a 'Cafe' makeover gone wrong. The bike looks unbalanced.

Dirty big hulking engine,

big hulking tank. . .

- dinky other little bits added to it.

Not the lithe little racers the genre was intended to be

And fuck off for that price.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Another example of a 'Cafe' makeover gone wrong. The bike looks unbalanced.

Dirty big hulking engine,

big hulking tank. . .

- dinky other little bits added to it.

Not the lithe little racers the genre was intended to be

And fuck off for that price.

Agree. This is more like it I reckon!

http://www.bikeexif.com/yamaha-xs850

[F5 Dave]

Agreed that looks cool.

It'd sound good too with a TZ engine in it.

[Drew]

Because if a bike's not a GSXR 1000, it's automatically a heap of shit and useless. Open your fucking eyes man. I've ridden many many Buells as you can imagine, and I've also ridden all sorts of other bikes. A properly set up Buell, handles fucking well. And if you think you know better than me what good handling is...good for you. But I somehow doubt it. I think that makes you a dreamer. The XB12R has a dry weight of around 180kgs, and although the sporty based lump is heavy, the concentration of that weight is very low and central. On a good twisty road, where it's 100 odd HP doesn't let it down, they're a fucking quick bike to ride. As good as just about any street bike I've ridden of that weight. So to me...that qualifies it as *they handle fucking well*. You ever ridden a proper 250 GP bike Drew? If you have, you'll know they make a GSXR1000 feel like a fat heap of shit. So therefore, by your standards, I could say a GSXR1000 handles like a piece of shit. Correct? And then I'd be talking shit and sound like a dreamer. Because a GSXR1000 handles really well.

Don't talk shit. Want me to point out the handling faults with the Gixxer thou I last had? Sweet. Even with $4k worth of suspension in it, balancing turn in ability with mid corner stability and front grip is like tight rope walking on piano wire. Keeping the rear tall enough that it didn't wanna run wide under power meant sacrificing traction.

It went like fuck and I'm a long way off a great pilot or suspension tuner, but the geometry needed more attention than my skills were capable of.

But, there are bikes that ya get on and they do their shit nigh on perfect it seems.

So fucken sue me for not celebrating mediocrity.

[F5 Dave]

OK well here's one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-908397144.htm

Now I don't actually think the price is beyond reason. I do however think it is widely optimistic that someone would want that Vetter like fairing.

[F5 Dave]

Just because you bike is 30 yes old does not make it worth 5k

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-909470105.htm

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't talk shit. Want me to point out the handling faults with the Gixxer thou I last had? Sweet. Even with $4k worth of suspension in it, balancing turn in ability with mid corner stability and front grip is like tight rope walking on piano wire. Keeping the rear tall enough that it didn't wanna run wide under power meant sacrificing traction.

It went like fuck and I'm a long way off a great pilot or suspension tuner, but the geometry needed more attention than my skills were capable of.

But, there are bikes that ya get on and they do their shit nigh on perfect it seems.

So fucken sue me for not celebrating mediocrity.

Fuck me. You should be doing Rossi's job. How's your side car build going? No doubt we'll see every company coming after you for your design and engineering expertise. As I said Drew. You're a dreamer. You read too much, but lack the skill and results to back up your drivel. Stick to $200.00 heaps of shit with knobblies.

[Drew]

Fuck me. You should be doing Rossi's job. How's your side car build going? No doubt we'll see every company coming after you for your design and engineering expertise. As I said Drew. You're a dreamer. You read too much, but lack the skill and results to back up your drivel. Stick to $200.00 heaps of shit with knobblies.

You stated that if it aint a Gixxer, I don't think it handles well. I gave you my experience with a Gixxer and flat out said that I wasn't able to make it do what other people could.

I fail to see what you are now getting at, other than trying to get a rise out of me for saying I thought the XB Buells are heavily flawed.

The sidecar build is coming along well, thanks for asking. Lack of talent not withstanding, it should be capable of good results.

[HenryDorsetCase]

OK well here's one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-908397144.htm

Now I don't actually think the price is beyond reason. I do however think it is widely optimistic that someone would want that Vetter like fairing.

Its the less desirable model with the "standard" clocks and tail light. the firstmodel had cylinders to echo the "Rotary" theme I guess. I had a lot of fun riding one from Blenheim to Christchurch years ago. I have never been so beseiged with questions from random people about any bike I have ever ridden.

[TheDemonLord]

OK well here's one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-908397144.htm

Now I don't actually think the price is beyond reason. I do however think it is widely optimistic that someone would want that Vetter like fairing.

That fairing made me vomit

[Banditbandit]

OK well here's one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-908397144.htm

Now I don't actually think the price is beyond reason. I do however think it is widely optimistic that someone would want that Vetter like fairing.

The Windjammer fairing is completely period ... tho' the screen is taller than I remember. They look a lot better if they are painted to match the bike


. I gave you my experience with a Gixxer and flat out said that I wasn't able to make it do what other people could.



So - that would appear to say more about you than about the bike ..

[swarfie]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130879140]The Windjammer fairing is completely period ... tho' the screen is taller than I remember. QUOTE]

A mate of mine has one of those pig ugly Vetter Windjamers on a '75 Honda Lead Wing. About as ugly as they come but at least he cut his screen down and it does look better...if that's at all possible :not:
They have two round windows that can be opened up to let air through in the summer.....Had to laugh when I saw him drying his freshly wash grundies with them poked out through the portholes. :lol:

[OddDuck]

Agree. This is more like it I reckon!

http://www.bikeexif.com/yamaha-xs850

That's awesome. Inspiring work!

[Banditbandit]

A mate of mine has one of those pig ugly Vetter Windjamers on a '75 Honda Lead Wing. About as ugly as they come but at least he cut his screen down and it does look better...if that's at all possible :not:
They have two round windows that can be opened up to let air through in the summer.....Had to laugh when I saw him drying his freshly wash grundies with them poked out through the portholes. :lol:

They seemed to suit lead wings back in the day .. I dunno, back then I kinda liked them .. today I'm not so sure ..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7GjWzfmwogI/S45uXD0D-7I/AAAAAAAABAs/hsZX8A9FgVQ/s640/Honda%20GL%201000%20Windjammer.jpg

[F5 Dave]

It looks in keeping on the Wing, but they are big bikes, the RE not so much & just looks better naked. Would like to ride an RE. I kinda know what to expect but still would be cool to have tried one.

[sugilite]

OK well here's one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-908397144.htm

Now I don't actually think the price is beyond reason. I do however think it is widely optimistic that someone would want that Vetter like fairing.
Holy fuck, it looks like they ripped the front end off a space shuttle and put it on the bike!

[sugilite]

Just because you bike is 30 yes old does not make it worth 5k

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-909470105.htm

They prob cracked a woody after reading a article on VFR750's in a recent practical sportsbike issue, (great mag, but i do blame them somewhat for raising prices on some models of bike).

[F5 Dave]

meh I think that boat sailed with TM & nostalgia. Fine bike, but c'mon, there were a bunch of them & chances are it will be pretty soggy by now & most people don't understand maintenance. Worse was the VF750 Sabre thingy for about the same price. Lemon at a premium. Conversely there was a premo looing Suz GT550 and an 85 GSXR750 for similar. Strong prices but they really were classic bikes, worth the increasingly stiff prices being asked.

Haven't seen you here for a while.

[sugilite]

Hey Dave, I do post from time to time, the challange is finding a bike related thread i can add value too haha

Yeah, there were a couple of dodgy VF models for sure, but after the bad press Honda went apeshit over build quality, pretty much from that model you linked to on TM. I 100% agree with you on it not being a "classic" .

[GSF]

Another example of a 'Cafe' makeover gone wrong. The bike looks unbalanced.

Dirty big hulking engine,

big hulking tank. . .

- dinky other little bits added to it.

Not the lithe little racers the genre was intended to be

And fuck off for that price.

The fucking tape on the headlight - no. No no no no no no no. WTF are you doing.
The number boards too. Are they fucking zip-tied to the frame?

This is not how you cafe racer :(

[cynna]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-912003372.htm

very tempting

[OddDuck]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-912003372.htm

very tempting

Holy shit. That's hilarious... I'm trying to imagine a rider and a scene where that'd actually fit in and look good. The closest I've got is in full costume at Armageddon.

[TheDemonLord]

Holy shit. That's hilarious... I'm trying to imagine a rider and a scene where that'd actually fit in and look good. The closest I've got is in full costume at Armageddon.

It's expired :(

[JATZ]

It's expired :(
I'm pretty certain it'll be re listed :D
He used to have a shed full of them and they look even wierder in real life :crazy:

[wind_glider]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-917621841.htm

I have no words.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-917621841.htm

I have no words.

Wife's insisted he sell the bike so he's listed it at a price the thinks will not sell ..

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-917621841.htm

I have no words.

But Wait

"Please feel free to ask questions. NO TIME WASTERS!!! "

[EJK]

But Wait

"Please feel free to ask questions. NO TIME WASTERS!!! "

He's talking to himself.

[wind_glider]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-920691029.htm

please tell me i'm not the only one that cringes whenever these two brothers have been posting this up again and again on trademe for the past year..... when will they learn? it's not worth the money they want... not willing to budge at all and says "No swaps unless a hefty amount of cash is involved as well. No test rides without proof of funds. No rego with reserve price, will include 6 months with buy-now"

[pzkpfw]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-920691029.htm

please tell me i'm not the only one that cringes whenever these two brothers have been posting this up again and again on trademe for the past year..... when will they learn? it's not worth the money they want... not willing to budge at all and says "No swaps unless a hefty amount of cash is involved as well. No test rides without proof of funds. No rego with reserve price, will include 6 months with buy-now"

Just curious, would they have been closer to the mark in the pre-LAMS days? Or still overpriced even then?


(I'm amused it's been repainted but the fairing still has cracks. Seems they keep dropping it. Full fairings on a bike pitched as used by learners ...)

[F5 Dave]

It used to be a 23yr old bike was worth less than a 13yr old bike. Their problem is that they need to leave it till its 33yrs old & then it would start to climb again.

[bogan]

If it was a minter, and they found the right buyer, it'd be worth that or close to it. But it does look a bit rough to be asking for that money.

[imdying]

Front wheel pointed to the right is never a good sign.

[F5 Dave]

Is that like having your bananas pointing up in your shopping trolley? I'm a bit lost here. Some sort of Honda rider's superghey code?

[mossy1200]

Is that like having your bananas pointing up in your shopping trolley?

Have I missed some information? You need arrange the bananas to signal intention?

[Drew]

Have I missed some information? You need arrange the bananas to signal intention?

Nah. If they look, it's consent!

[mossy1200]

Nah. If they look, it's consent!

Na-Na means yes?

[Berries]

Na-Na means yes?
Keep your Granny out of it.

[imdying]

Oh Dave, surely you're not one of those? It's a pretty short stretch from wheel pointing to the right to you know what :crazy:

[F5 Dave]

Well I'm not sure I do 'know what?'

Maybe I am confused?

Maybe I'm BikeCurious?:shutup:

If I buy a ST1300 please shoot me.

[wind_glider]

I don't know about you guys but $15,000 for a second hand 2013 Yamaha R6 that has had no major significant upgrades since 2008 is a bit rich

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-920597605.htm

Now I'm not saying the R6 isn't desirable or anything but you can get a BRAND NEW 2014 Yamaha R6 for $15,990 or $15,995 at dealerships around the South and North Island... And that's just a grand more for 0 kms on the clock and is 1 year newer... I just cringe but still

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-554904656.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-888597343.htm

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ummmm..nah.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=924354006

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-924011253.htm

[Voltaire]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-917669784.htm

I had one of these for sale pre LAMS and struggled to get 2k.

Are you after a BMW?

[Drew]

Ummmm..nah.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=924354006

Jesus there are fucken dreamers around. "I spent $300 on a speedo and a tail light, that shit tripled the value of my SR".

[Oscar]

Whilst we're at it - when is a fucking brand new Aeon Ace 250, a 2007 GN125 or a 2004 GN250 either classic and/or vintage?

There should be a LAMS/POS category...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Whilst we're at it - when is a fucking brand new Aeon Ace 250, a 2007 GN125 or a 2004 GN250 either classic and/or vintage?

There should be a LAMS/POS category...

they have that and it is called "Cruiser" innit

[Tazz]

Ummmm..nah.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=924354006

I see your SR with 90 odd thousand K's and raise you this:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-913615170.htm

Shame they didn't use a better bike.

[pritch]

Shame they didn't use a better bike.

He says there's only two in existence. I'm surprised there's a second one. :facepalm:

[TheDemonLord]

I see your SR with 90 odd thousand K's and raise you this:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-913615170.htm

Shame they didn't use a better bike.

a Polished turd, is still a turd.

[Banditbandit]

I see your SR with 90 odd thousand K's and raise you this:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-913615170.htm

Shame they didn't use a better bike.

I do quite like the look of that bobber - but $5grand for a GN ???

[F5 Dave]

So who's in business making these poxboxs? The GB looks non std hotch potch of 400 & 500 parts I think. And they are a pleasant plodder, nothing more. I couldn't justify over say $1200 if I were of that persuasion. Esp that hairbag of corrosion.

[mossy1200]

Really nice bike but the cost and a mono shock?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-901518365.htm

[Ocean1]

Really nice bike but the cost and a mono shock?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-901518365.htm

Mono shock I can do, It's a natural technical progression.

But they're still using bent tube perimeter frames that were crap 30 years ago.

[mossy1200]

Mono shock I can do, It's a natural technical progression.

But they're still using bent tube perimeter frames that were crap 30 years ago.

Who does that anymore?:gob:

[F5 Dave]

Actually I think its a rare example of being aesthetically near perfect. If I had a spare $57k I'd buy about 17 RZs.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-924567681.htm

Not optimistic as such just my "I would fucking love to own a Vincent" tribute.

What do we reckon it's worth peeps?

[Banditbandit]

Really nice bike but the cost and a mono shock?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-901518365.htm

Yeah .. they are NOT CHEAP !!!

[Banditbandit]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-924567681.htm

Not optimistic as such just my "I would fucking love to own a Vincent" tribute.

What do we reckon it's worth peeps?

Whatever the seller can get for it - and currently the top bid is $55,000 . so someone thinks it's worth that ... The seller will almost certainly get his reserve

[jasonu]

Actually I think its a rare example of being aesthetically near perfect. If I had a spare $57k I'd buy about 17 RZs.

If I could find 17 $3000ish RZ's I'd buy them and ship them here... Yanks like them and are prepared top pay good money for them.

[Drew]

Really nice bike but the cost and a mono shock?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-901518365.htm

That shock and swingarm looks to be a very slight variation on a Paul Smart Ducati...but not as cool.

[98tls]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-924567681.htm

Not optimistic as such just my "I would fucking love to own a Vincent" tribute.

What do we reckon it's worth peeps?

A lot more than 55k for sure if indeed it checks out,rang the old fella who owned a couple way back just to tell him to have a gander at the auction and he was telling me of a mate of his Roy... who just finished a 48 and getting it ready to be sent over to the Vincent rally in Italy until after a rego/wof etc ended up in the rear end of a car:facepalm:so wont be heading to Italy.I suggested a figure of 75k the old boy reckons without seeing the bike but if it checks out 100ks possible,will see what happens eh.

[JimO]

A lot more than 55k for sure if indeed it checks out,rang the old fella who owned a couple way back just to tell him to have a gander at the auction and he was telling me of a mate of his Roy... who just finished a 48 and getting it ready to be sent over to the Vincent rally in Italy until after a rego/wof etc ended up in the rear end of a car:facepalm:so wont be heading to Italy.I suggested a figure of 75k the old boy reckons without seeing the bike but if it checks out 100ks possible,will see what happens eh.
it may be worth that but i wouldnt pay that sort of dosh for a old bike

[98tls]

it may be worth that but i wouldnt pay that sort of dosh for a old bike

Me neither mate but.....if i had plenty of cash and that was my thing then i guess i would,not like your going to lose money buying Vincents eh.The old man has a mate up north that rides one to work every day.

[98tls]

Fwiw the old fella rang back after having a gander at the auction,all good with the Vincent and the numbers are correct,here nor there really but the "new front rim" is the wrong size...apparently.Rang his mate that currently has a couple who confirmed numbers etc etc and when asked what he thought on a fair sale price said 80k.

[BMWST?]

it may be worth that but i wouldnt pay that sort of dosh for a old bike
it would be a true investment,unless you park it in the boot of a car unitentionally

[Ocean1]

The old man has a mate up north that rides one to work every day.

On a tour last year we fell in with half a dozen other bikes for a couple of days, including two black shadows and a near identical HRD.

Can't remember what the other bikes were.

Edit: except for the DR650 that fell on it's tiny wee lady owner, breaking her ankle.

[F5 Dave]

Aww he's never gonna get that much without the proper headlight.
(Funny till he corrects typo)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-924447216.htm

[F5 Dave]

Kinda cool little foofoo trailie. Good for learner. Non std engine and how much?!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-922892969.htm

[F5 Dave]

They aren't that rare. Non std. Dull paint. Sticker kit too big and unbalanced. Doesn't even have a YZ engine fitted, and you would.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-889835222.htm

[imdying]

They aren't that rare. Non std. Dull paint. Sticker kit too big and unbalanced. Doesn't even have a YZ engine fitted, and you would.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-889835222.htm

Wonder if he'd trade an MC28?

[F5 Dave]

Not sur what yer getting at but a mate has a sweet 300 kitted one with Telifonica scheme done properly, Revalved/sprung R6 radial front end etc etc.


sorry got distracted dreaming. Must get a ride of it sometime. When I can ride a sport bike again.

[Wiki Drifter]

I've owned one of these for a few years, its definitely not a 2006 model.
I didn't have much luck trying to sell mine (tidier example) for $7K five years ago, but who knows, maybe the 'ol K4 has increased in value since?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-923095050.htm

[marmel]

I've owned one of these for a few years, its definitely not a 2006 model.
I didn't have much luck trying to sell mine (tidier example) for $7K five years ago, but who knows, maybe the 'ol K4 has increased in value since?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-923095050.htm

Carjam has it as a 2007.

[imdying]

Not sur what yer getting at but a mate has a sweet 300 kitted one with Telifonica scheme done properly, Revalved/sprung R6 radial front end etc etc.

sorry got distracted dreaming. Must get a ride of it sometime. When I can ride a sport bike again.I have an MC28 project I want to sell, and I've always wanted a YSR :D

[Banditbandit]

I've owned one of these for a few years, its definitely not a 2006 model.
I didn't have much luck trying to sell mine (tidier example) for $7K five years ago, but who knows, maybe the 'ol K4 has increased in value since?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-923095050.htm

Yeah .. and 21,000 ks in nine years? This guy is not a serious rider ... but good for whoever eventually buys it - at whatever rpice.

[Drew]

I've owned one of these for a few years, its definitely not a 2006 model.
I didn't have much luck trying to sell mine (tidier example) for $7K five years ago, but who knows, maybe the 'ol K4 has increased in value since?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-923095050.htm

I'd call that $5k. It's K4/5 I think.

[tigertim20]

Id have thought that all the runout specials being offered on gsxr's over the last year, that the value of second hand gsxr's would be sweet fuck all. a brand new bike for 12995, or a 5-7 year old bike thats probably been raped like an indian girl on a bus for 7k?

no brainer

[Drew]

Id have thought that all the runout specials being offered on gsxr's over the last year, that the value of second hand gsxr's would be sweet fuck all. a brand new bike for 12995, or a 5-7 year old bike thats probably been raped like an indian girl on a bus for 7k?

no brainer
The summerfest doesn't seem to make much difference.

[Ender EnZed]

Id have thought that all the runout specials being offered on gsxr's over the last year, that the value of second hand gsxr's would be sweet fuck all. a brand new bike for 12995, or a 5-7 year old bike thats probably been raped like an indian girl on a bus for 7k?

no brainer

The used values are held up at the lower end by people with (say) $7k to spend who can't/won't stretch their budget further. Doesn't really matter how much better value they'd get spending a bit more when that 7 year old GSXR is the bike they want the most that's within their budget.

[Tazz]

The used values are held up at the lower end by people with (say) $7k to spend who can't/won't stretch their budget further. Doesn't really matter how much better value they'd get spending a bit more when that 7 year old GSXR is the bike they want the most that's within their budget.

Yeah when 'a bit more' becomes pretty much double (6k extra) it's not a hard decision, financially, especially if borrowing is the only way you can stretch it.
And there is the fact that you have instantly lost money no matter what when you buy new, where as savvy secondhand buying can net you a 'break even' (on purchase price, not cost of ownership) or rarely even make a little money.

[Banditbandit]

Fwiw the old fella rang back after having a gander at the auction,all good with the Vincent and the numbers are correct,here nor there really but the "new front rim" is the wrong size...apparently.Rang his mate that currently has a couple who confirmed numbers etc etc and when asked what he thought on a fair sale price said 80k.

It's currently at $68K - and still the reserve is not met ..


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-924567681.htm

[98tls]

:corn:Yep keeping an eye on it, be interesting to see the final score.

[Banditbandit]

Umm .. this is not on tardme - but someone who has joined KBer ... looks a bit optomistic tho' .. for an 21-year-old 400

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/175672-Rare-RVF400-for-sale?p=1130888442#post1130888442

[yevjenko]

Carjam has it as a 2007.
No. Car jam has it first registered in 2007. If you look up the vin you'll see it's a 2004... Or k4 as a previous poster mentioned

[98tls]

Umm .. this is not on tardme - but someone who has joined KBer ... looks a bit optomistic tho' .. for an 21-year-old 400

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/175672-Rare-RVF400-for-sale?p=1130888442#post1130888442

Yea saw that,was going to suggest he had put it in the wrong section but.....

[Mike.Gayner]

Umm .. this is not on tardme - but someone who has joined KBer ... looks a bit optomistic tho' .. for an 21-year-old 400

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/175672-Rare-RVF400-for-sale?p=1130888442#post1130888442

Oh good it's not just me then. Sometimes people get all wanky over particular models and I wondered if this was one of them. Evidently not, it's just plain old overpriced.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh good it's not just me then. Sometimes people get all wanky over particular models and I wondered if this was one of them. Evidently not, it's just plain old overpriced.

Future classic no doubt BUT it needs to be bone stock for that. Bone stock unmolested and original: I'd pay $7k. $6k for that. Not that I want one.

[mossy1200]

Future classic no doubt BUT it needs to be bone stock for that. Bone stock unmolested and original: I'd pay $7k. $6k for that. Not that I want one.

I would be paying less because 7k plus buys a very good big bike with 3 times the power.


Its a nice bike though. Looks cool and likely is a fun ride but $4k as a non collector of bikes.

[sil3nt]

$4k? :lol:

$8k is definitely optimistic $5k-$7k dependant on condition is much more realistic.

Best LAMs bike out there and they only come up once or twice a year.

[Banditbandit]

:corn:Yep keeping an eye on it, be interesting to see the final score.

Over $70K now .. and still not met the reserve .. it closes in two days.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-924567681.htm

[jasonu]

Future classic no doubt.

I doubt it.
Nice looking bike for what it is but will never be a 'classic'.

[EJK]

I doubt it.
Nice looking bike for what it is but will never be a 'classic'.

Yep. Just a pretty replica of the full sized RC45. Other than that it's just a normal VFR400.

[yevjenko]

Best LAMs bike out there and they only come up once or twice a year.

Would need a genuine exhaust to become Lams approved again - or at least one that looks like it might have been genuine

[imdying]

Nice looking bike for what it is but will never be a 'classic'.Sure it will, here in NZ that just means 'old' :rolleyes:

Seriously though, the pinnacle of 400cc sports bikes, quite beautiful if you're into that sort of thing (and many people are), a sought after model for the last 20 years... it certainly has all the credentials required to become a legitimate classic, as does the younger brother, the NC30.

I was linked to an NSR250SP MC21 Rothmans the other day, a pretty similar bike (lightweight, JDM, sportsbike, also a Honda), and the asking was USD$14000. He'll get it too. Show that to some cruiser loving git and he'd probably wah wah wah about it, but frankly his taste (or perhaps lack of), doesn't count for diddly squat.

[mossy1200]

$4k? :lol:

$8k is definitely optimistic $5k-$7k dependant on condition is much more realistic.

Best LAMs bike out there and they only come up once or twice a year.

Yep but I have a full licence so lams means nothing to me. Someone will pay 5-7 it just wouldn't be me because 5-7 would buy me a bigger bike.

Its really needs an original exhaust or good quiet copy of it to sell to a learner market and keep the electronics upgrade Quiet.
The pipe will get the owner into trouble the first time that person is caught be naughty.

[Tazz]

Yep but I have a full licence so lams means nothing to me. Someone will pay 5-7 it just wouldn't be me because 5-7 would buy me a bigger bike.

It's not just a LAMS thing. Some people don't want/need/like bigger bikes ;)

[mossy1200]

It's not just a LAMS thing. Some people don't want/need/like bigger bikes ;)

Correct but not me so that's why my value is lower than someone else may pay. Someone will likely pay 5-7 it just wouldn't be me. Not when 5-7 would buy me a bigger cc bike. 7g to spend for me would likely be a gsxr1000 2002-2006.
Its likely a good bike but its smaller than I would buy once on a full licence. Its likely a lot (not all) riders after a sports bike on a full licence would do the same thing. Its primary market is lams if it was legal or collectors after an original un-modified vfr400 in mint condition.

[Tazz]

Correct but not me so that's why my value is lower than someone else may pay. Someone will likely pay 5-7 it just wouldn't be me. Not when 5-7 would buy me a bigger cc bike. 7g to spend for me would likely be a gsxr1000 2002-2006.
Its likely a good bike but its smaller than I would buy once on a full licence. Its likely a lot (not all) riders after a sports bike on a full licence would do the same thing. Its primary market is lams if it was legal or collectors after an original un-modified vfr400 in mint condition.

I would own a v400 over a 1000 easy. There are advantages to a bigger bike for sure, but there are just as many for a smaller one too.

The way your mind is working, even classics (not collectors, just classics) that are under 650cc and LAMS legit should be useless and not bought by anyone but a learner. Is that the case?

But yes, if your main value is engine size, then that is why you see no value in a smaller bike.

[mossy1200]

I would own a v400 over a 1000 easy. There are advantages to a bigger bike for sure, but there are just as many for a smaller one too.

The way your mind is working, even classics (not collectors, just classics) that are under 650cc and LAMS legit should be useless and not bought by anyone but a learner. Is that the case?

The last line in the post already answers that.

Its not lams legal and its not original either.
I never claimed ALL riders with full licence would buy bigger sports bike but I would say most would in the 5-7grand price bracket.

I would own an original r65 or rg500 or nsr250 and others under 660 but I would not spend up to 7g on that bike and idd buy a bigger bike if it was to be my only bike.

[imdying]

You really should ride one if you've not, they're a doddle to ride (unless you're approaching 6 foot). That has the factory subframe and fairing with it, and it wouldn't be impossible to find a pipe. Seems unlikely you'd ever lose money on it.

[Pumba]

Got to be honest if I had the disposable free income I would be tempted by the RVF, but for me the RVF400 would be right up there in the top 3 of my dream garage.

His price is a little optimistic,but if it is as good as it looks then he might just find someone stupid enough to pay it.

[mossy1200]

You really should ride one if you've not, they're a doddle to ride (unless you're approaching 6 foot). That has the factory subframe and fairing with it, and it wouldn't be impossible to find a pipe. Seems unlikely you'd ever lose money on it.

Im 6 foot 4 and 100kg and have already owned a vfr400.
The point is MOST people wanting a 5-7grand sports bike who have a full licence wont buy it as their only bike.
Makes it primary market LAMS but its not legal or collectors so make it original.

Asking price is $8.5 grand. Pay that and it very likely you will lose money.

I never said there wont be a 5-7 buyer it just wouldn't be me.

[FJRider]

It's not just a LAMS thing. Some people don't want/need/like bigger bikes ;)

Untill they ride a bigger bike ... Horse power rules ...


If you have it ... you'll use it ...




If you don't have it ... you just wish you DID ..

[FJRider]

.. then he might just find someone stupid enough to pay it.

AND ... He may even meet another honda rider ... :shifty:

[Tazz]

Untill they ride a bigger bike ... Horse power rules ...


If you have it ... you'll use it ...




If you don't have it ... you just wish you DID ..

Riding a 'slow' bike fast over riding a fast bike slow any day for me.

[Kickaha]

Untill they ride a bigger bike ... Horse power rules ...


If you have it ... you'll use it ...




If you don't have it ... you just wish you DID ..


Bullshit...

[Ender EnZed]

Why kind of boring git wants to ride a bike that can do 300k, and the first 200 of that in 2, maybe even 1 gear around 50k and 100k zones with the odd squirt when they hope the fuzz aren't looking? And even then, it'll never corner as well as something lighter, and then you pay through the nose (by comparison) to run this monster at 1/10th its potential for 90% of the time you're on it. Farking cool yes, as the marketers have also pushed, but ultimately pointless.

I take it you've yet to have a decent ride on a 100+hp bike?

[mossy1200]

I take it you've yet to have a decent ride on a 100+hp bike?

Reminds me there is some facebook photos of a welly 14r that lost it fairings at speed.
Not sure I have seen the bike before. Its got a muzzy exhaust system.
Think its on the Wellington Riders facebook site.

[mossy1200]

Riding a 'slow' bike fast over riding a fast bike slow any day for me.

Everyone is free to ride what they like. I had fun on a low hp t100 bonnie for a year due to the feeling of riding hard without going fast.
The fact still remains most riders reaching a full licence search a larger bike than a sports 400 unless they have another bike and want a screaming play machine for less dollars than 7grand up.

There is always going to be exceptions but this bike as shown is neither original or lams legal so has a limited market audience in the price bracket.

Tell me why I couldn't have the same fun on this bike for a fraction of the price.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-892930843.htm

[mynemesis]

+1 here for that argument.

bought a running, registered VFR400 nc30 for $300, just to scratch once my full licence kicks in. But no way thats ever gonna be my primary bike!

Wonder if I'll manage to get $3000 for it too once I've restored it?

[mossy1200]

+1 here for that argument.

bought a running, registered VFR400 nc30 for $300, just to scratch once my full licence kicks in. But no way thats ever gonna be my primary bike!

Wonder if I'll manage to get $3000 for it too once I've restored it?

I think they are good bikes. Be great fun on the hill and in the twisty back roads but on the motorway and getting to the good roads im all for a bigger sports bike. To me there is a lack of about 40 extra hp for exiting corners also.

[husaberg]

NC30's and 35's are already cult bikes.
Shame on all of you.
I wonder how many said the CB400f was just a small CB750

[jasonu]

NC30's and 35's are already cult bikes.
Shame on all of you.
I wonder how many said the CB400f was just a small 750


Classic all the way!!!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391214465764?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[imdying]

Back in the day I rated the looks of the RC45 over the 916... and looking back at the two, I fucking stand by that :2thumbsup

[husaberg]

Back in the day I rated the looks of the RC45 over the 916... and looking back at the two, I fucking stand by that :2thumbsup

I would never go that far though.
The 916s and Supermonos were always sexy beasts.


Classic all the way!!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/391214465764?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Funny enough the CB400F was replaced with the silly 400 twin only because the Americans didn't like it, The euro's loved it.

The original new VFR400R only sold in the UK new for one or two years and was a poor seller. Yet as a second hand grey import they sold like hotcakes.
I can't imagine that Honda made much money on them anyway compared to the CBR400R.

[jasonu]

Back in the day I rated the looks of the RC45 over the 916... and looking back at the two, I fucking stand by that :2thumbsup

The RC30 is by far the best looking of that bunch.

[imdying]

Not for me... that black tail with the white writing, the black wheels, that's the one I like. RC30s are pretty enough though.

[husaberg]

Not for me... that black tail with the white writing, the black wheels, that's the one I like. RC30s are pretty enough though.

Anyone remember the Tony Scott tuned RC30 that was in Performance bikes years ago.
As much as I like RC30 I think the Ducati 916 wins on looks.
Tamburini was a genius.


Untill they ride a bigger bike ... Horse power rules ...

If you have it ... you'll use it ...

If you don't have it ... you just wish you DID ..

I am picking a decent gorge ride with a FJ1200 vs a NC30 would find the porky wallowing Yamaha lacking, twice the hp or not.

[FJRider]

Bullshit...

Your sig suggests differently ...

[Banditbandit]

Untill they ride a bigger bike ... Horse power rules ...


If you have it ... you'll use it ...




If you don't have it ... you just wish you DID ..


Yeah .. that's me ... I thought I'd stay with smaller bikes .. until I rode a big one


Riding a 'slow' bike fast over riding a fast bike slow any day for me.


yeah .... I get that - I ued to ride smaller bikes fast .. and yes, with disposable income I might be tempted by that VFR400 ... but nothing beats the power of big IL4s ...

[mossy1200]

I am picking a decent gorge ride with a FJ1200 vs a NC30 would find the Yamaha lacking twice the hp or not

That's comparing 2 different style bike.

Put a rvf400 for 7k value against and equal value gsxr1000 which would be around 2005 model and it would need be a very tight gorge and traveling downhill assuming both riders have equal skills.

[husaberg]

That's comparing 2 different style bike.

Put a rvf400 for 7k value against and equal value gsxr1000 which would be around 2005 model and it would need be a very tight gorge and traveling downhill assuming both riders have equal skills.

Mossy Have a look at the post I quoted and the owners actual bike. they are both same era bikes. the Suzuki gizzr of that era was a pig also
Then follow through with the pics..............:corn:

[mossy1200]

Mossy Have a look at the post I quoted and the owners actual bike.
Then follow through with the pics..............:corn:

Yes but historically we go back to rvf400 bike with 8.5k as a sales price which is what fuelled the value for money, cc, hp discussion.

Cant take photos tonight. The wife is home and her sister is visiting.
You are welcome to camp out on my deck if you like as long as your quiet and don't leave stains.

[husaberg]

Yes but historically we go back to rvf400 bike with 8.5k as a sales price which is what fuelled the value for money, cc, hp discussion.

Cant take photos tonight. The wife is home and her sister is visiting.
You are welcome to camp out on my deck if you like as long as your quiet and don't leave stains.

I guarantee nothing............ Yes the price was pretty steep but they are nice bikes.

[mossy1200]

I guarantee nothing............ Yes the price was pretty steep but they are nice bikes.

I agree. They are nice bikes. Suited to a small rider that spends time on twisty roads. Not quite big enough to compete with a larger modern bike for most riders that could spend the same money on a newer bike at the same value.

But if you owned a cruiser or touring bike and wanted a play bike for the odd corner play then at 3k a vfr400 would be ideal.

8.5k is the investors or enthusiast price range and you would expect a very good original one.
I would buy one for collection if I had a large budget and a lot of other bikes.
There is a few late 80s or early 90s bikes I would like. owo1,rg500 and zx7rr would be nice but I lack the coins.

[F5 Dave]

What you all need is some time on an LS400 as your only transport. Not because it would be some character building foundation, but more because I'm not a very nice person and the thought of you all suffering and coming here to bitch and moan and complain makes me smile.

Ahh.:D

Actually I`ll let Mossy off as he mentioned RG500 in his last post.

[FJRider]

... I am picking a decent gorge ride with a FJ1200 vs a NC30 would find the porky wallowing Yamaha lacking, twice the hp or not.

It was built to go long distance into a head wind ... a "decent" gorge ride can be done. But it is hard on the rider ... more than the bike. Especially if the suspension hasn't been upgraded.

I climb on the FJ and head for Picton for coffee ... then go home (up one coast and down the other). Try THAT on a VFR400 and see how you feel at the end of it ... ;)

[husaberg]

I agree. They are nice bikes. Suited to a small rider that spends time on twisty roads. Not quite big enough to compete with a larger modern bike for most riders that could spend the same money on a newer bike at the same value.

But if you owned a cruiser or touring bike and wanted a play bike for the odd corner play then at 3k a vfr400 would be ideal.

8.5k is the investors or enthusiast price range and you would expect a very good original one.
I would buy one for collection if I had a large budget and a lot of other bikes.
There is a few late 80s or early 90s bikes I would like. owo1,rg500 and zx7rr would be nice but I lack the coins.

Yeah granted there was a 748 on trademe the other week for the same price.

[TheDemonLord]

yeah .... I get that - I ued to ride smaller bikes fast .. and yes, with disposable income I might be tempted by that VFR400 ... but nothing beats the power of big IL4s ...

In my ideal Garage I would have a small light bike specifically for thrashing round a track - but I agree:

Give us this day our In Line 4's and lead us not into V Twins,
For thine is the Horsepower, the smoothness and the Torque.

Amen

[bogan]

In my ideal Garage I would have a small light bike specifically for thrashing round a track - but I agree:

Give us this day our In Line 4's and lead us not into V Twins,
For thine is the Horsepower, the smoothness and the Torque.

Amen

Blasphemer, do not be tempted by the trappings of 'power', those gods are false idols.

If it is not a V, it should not be.

[TheDemonLord]

Blasphemer, do not be tempted by the trappings of 'power', those gods are false idols.

If it is not a V, it should not be.

I cannot hear you over the sound of 13,000 RPM

[SVboy]

It was built to go long distance into a head wind ... a "decent" gorge ride can be done. But it is hard on the rider ... more than the bike. Especially if the suspension hasn't been upgraded.

I climb on the FJ and head for Picton for coffee ... then go home (up one coast and down the other). Try THAT on a VFR400 and see how you feel at the end of it ... ;)

If I owned one, I would go to Akaroa on my RVF for a coffee....then go home with a smile pasted all over my face....try THAT on a FJ and see how how you feel at the end of it.....

[bogan]

I cannot hear you over the sound of 13,000 RPM

Is that all? That'sactuallyfuckall,I'vehad25yearoltwinsthatwoul drevthathigh,theRVFasdiscussedgoeswayhigher

That's a really poor showing and if you really think 13k is a worthy rpm, you need to cast down your beige idols.

[bogan]

If I owned one, I would go to Akaroa on my RVF for a coffee....then go home with a smile pasted all over my face....try THAT on a FJ and see how how you feel at the end of it.....

Forget the coffee, and you could get another 10k in. Perhaps FJs are for people more about the destination than the ride?

[Ender EnZed]

That'sactuallyfuckall,I'vehad25yearoltwinsthatwoul drevthathigh,theRVFasdiscussedgoeswayhigher

You missed a d.

[Ender EnZed]

If I owned one, I would go to Akaroa on my RVF for a coffee....then go home with a smile pasted all over my face....try THAT on a FJ and see how how you feel at the end of it.....

You'd probably feel quite good, having just ridden a motorcycle to Akaroa and back.

[mossy1200]

If I owned one, I would go to Akaroa on my RVF for a coffee....then go home with a smile pasted all over my face.

Are you doing the French girl at the café?

[Ender EnZed]

Are you doing the French girl at the café?

I heard she has a thing for small, early 90s V4s.

[husaberg]

You missed a d.

But he may have wanted the d.............

[SVboy]

You'd probably feel quite good, having just ridden a motorcycle to Akaroa and back.

Sports bike vs straight line super tanker, one will be more fun than the other.......oh your sig shows you have a Hayabusa, you know what I am saying then!

[F5 Dave]

It was built to go long distance into a head wind... a "decent" gorge ride can one. But it is hard on the rider ... more than the bike. Especially if the suspension hasn't been upgraded.

I climb on the FJ and head for Picton for coffee ... then go home (up one coast and down the other). Try THAT on a VFR400 and see how you feel at the end of it ... ;)
And you need some time on a GP125. At least it will sound good. Then we`ll move you up to an RZ350 and you will find they tour in comfort, but handle better than a behemoth. and sound better and have a fun power delivery but still enough midrange.

[imdying]

but nothing beats the power of big IL4s ...I guess that's where we part ways. They're super fun, but they're miles away from being unbeatable in the enjoyment stakes.