Optimistic sellers

[HenryDorsetCase]

What a shiney machine . Except it has wrong paint, guard, headlight and I'm not even an anorak.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4055264809

about every six months or so I toy with the idea of getting one. Then I remember they are kick only and I remember how old and decrepid I am.

[F5 Dave]

I had a 250XR as a skinny teen. Freedom. Until it ate its insides despite regular oil changes. Scares me now to think of riding in the wet on knobblies.

[jellywrestler]

You're confusing Hardley-world with motorcycling. People who want Hardleys dont care about motorcycles. and whether it is broken down or running matters naught when parked up outside the "biker" bar. Everything I know about this "lifestyle" (there's a clue) I learned from movies.

Top "biker" movies:

Torque (starring NZs own Martin Henderson)
Harley Davidon and the Marlboro Man - genre classic
Hot Shots (because Charlie Sheens character is called Topper Harley
Wild Hogs - never a more true representation of "biker lyf"

you can always tell a harley rider, you just can't tell em anything

[YellowDog]

maybe the value is associated with the rarity of a bike that s another 20 years older? There's a lot of people who cut their teeth on honda cervix's

Indeed they do, but unless it is something LOUD'n'PROUD, I'd go for the more modern bike every day of the week :banana:

[jellywrestler]

Indeed they do, but unless it is something LOUD'n'PROUD, I'd go for the more modern bike every day of the week :banana:

how many 'modern' bikes are parked up on hold these dyas, guys wont take it off hold cause they're going away in a few months and don't want to get out of sync with the money saving game. This is months away from being $58 all year round, will still eat up the miles safely and reliably too. There's not far of $5k to be saved on rego over a decade of ownership here.....

[F5 Dave]

Ok he's not being optimistic as it is auction from low value starr.

But cmon, knock yourself out with effort to take some pictures not where it is abandoned, or try jump start it. It might be a runner and be worth double.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4069832265

[onearmedbandit]

In one of the pics it almost is a double.

[neels]

Ok he's not being optimistic as it is auction from low value starr.

But cmon, knock yourself out with effort to take some pictures not where it is abandoned, or try jump start it. It might be a runner and be worth double.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4069832265
Was running perfectly and in mint condition, so figured the best thing to do was stuff it in a sweaty box for 5 years, then don't even bother to get it back out to take photos.

Consolation points for keeping the rego on hold though, there are many who don't bother, and thusly make their half arsed unfinished project even harder to get back on the road.

[Laava]

In one of the pics it almost is a double.
It's an Allen Milyard special!

[neels]

Price maybe not that optimistic, other than dead rego and a frame that's been hacked about that the cert man isn't going to like, was probably a perfectly functional motorcycle before that.

Would be on cheap 40+ rego now too.

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[F5 Dave]

I borrowed one to do the Brass in late 90s.

With pipe and jets drilled it took at lot of messing to solder and refilling mainjets to a workable size so it would run well enough. Hitachi jets weren't available off the shelf. See those k&n copies? Good luck making the changes to suit those as you really need air bleed jets and needles. Boo.

Despite good tyres and new swingarm bushes it was a dreadful handling bike.

[neels]

Why?

Why CAPITAL mk2 cortina diff/axle when it's got 5 studs and other stuff that's clearly not, why the trailing arms when it's got no springs, why put the battery there, why.........so many questions

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/listing/4074197474?tm=email&et=45&mt=F9EBD93A-36D0-423B-BB16-006FB3C425E7&bof=bZfqwoZV

[husaberg]

Why?

Why CAPITAL mk2 cortina diff/axle when it's got 5 studs and other stuff that's clearly not, why the trailing arms when it's got no springs, why put the battery there, why.........so many questions

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/listing/4074197474?tm=email&et=45&mt=F9EBD93A-36D0-423B-BB16-006FB3C425E7&bof=bZfqwoZV

Ford at least on the cortina figured out it was necessary to line bore the cams tunnel and use a higher grade of chocolate for the camshaft.

[F5 Dave]

What the hell are you on about? Bolts and whatnot?

[pete376403]

Why?

Why CAPITAL mk2 cortina diff/axle when it's got 5 studs and other stuff that's clearly not, why the trailing arms when it's got no springs, why put the battery there, why.........so many questions

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/listing/4074197474?tm=email&et=45&mt=F9EBD93A-36D0-423B-BB16-006FB3C425E7&bof=bZfqwoZV

Cortina Diff does not automatically mean Cortina 4 stud axles.

[husaberg]

What the hell are you on about? Bolts and whatnot?

The engine on this special Dave....tis a VF750

[F5 Dave]

Yeah I got there eventually but car diff talk was weird and unusual. Fukn trikes:sick:

[dangerous]

Yeah I got there eventually but car diff talk was weird and unusual. Fukn trikes:sick:

well... ya gota understand neels has a weird, well a few weird hobbies... but in this case a weird fasanation with the mk2 Gotinas

[F5 Dave]

Golly that is a lot of coin for a fairly uninspiring bike. The more you look the less standard it is. Would cost truckload to put it back if that is what you had a boner for.



https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4095851429

[Laava]

Golly that is a lot of coin for a fairly uninspiring bike. The more you look the less standard it is. Would cost truckload to put it back if that is what you had a boner for.



https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4095851429
Buy bike. Put trendy cafe racer or brat seat on. Get on the road. Sell on trade me cos it is horrible to ride now and you have cut original seat mounts off.

[F5 Dave]

Don't those mirrors look dreadful on it?

Never knew there was a drum brake model. Wonder if it is legit? Painted hub won't be. Everywhere you look is non std done on cheap mods. Probably wasn't worth fixing crash damage with std bits.

[F5 Dave]

Oh pleeease!
Stop now.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4001314881

[Drew]

Oh pleeease!
Stop now.


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4001314881

Honestly thought that was covered in Kawasaki bits till I googled up.

[F5 Dave]

A mate had the 400 from new, it was a bit dire. But he was going to buy an XZ400 so. . .


Mind you he took it down south early on and it started using as much oil as petrol. Turns out circlip not fitted.

But geez that one is a rust heap and Tank is shameful.

[husaberg]

is the dude wearing mismatched crox?

[F5 Dave]

And tracksuit pants. It paints a picture of bad taste sloppiness that the photographer obviously thought belonged in the same picture as the bike.

[pritch]

Oh pleeease!
Stop now.


Absurd price. Another seller who has forgotten that the reason the bike is rare is because nobody liked them when they were new.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And tracksuit pants. It paints a picture of bad taste sloppiness that the photographer obviously thought belonged in the same picture as the bike.

I like the little garden truck thing more than that bike. And I have owned a few "big" single road bikes over the years: GB400TT, SRX600, SR400. Usually they are fun to ride. I have never owned an FT500 but that one isnt the one to own if you want one.

I have seen a customised one which was a proper street tracker. Can't find it now. It involved proper (19 inch F & R) wheels, XR750 seat and tailpiece, lots of money spent on forks and shocks, and minimal compliance stuff like a tiny headlight. It was cool.

This? not so much. and it is literally two times more expensive than the last one I had on my watchlist. There was one down here three or four years ago that was mint and the guy couldnt get $3k for it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/kawasaki/listing/4100581595

Wow these photos are bad.

[F5 Dave]

Well, he sort of made an effort to lay out the dusty junk so you could see what you were getting. But by then it was late. Open garage door click click.

I mean it's a better effort than often; heres a pile in the corner, it's all there. :rolleyes:

[Grumph]

At that price and in that condition it really is a good basis for a pre 89 race bike. Still bits to buy in but that's a good start IMO.

And yeah, even I could have done better pics.

[neels]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/kawasaki/listing/4100581595

Wow these photos are bad.

I pulled it apart and then..... well that's the end of my skills, so try and unload it to someone else.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the good old 'unfinished project', but dereg that would have to be much cheaper to be even vaguely interesting.

[Kickaha]

I actually really like these and have enough bits at home to build a couple of them, first road bike I ever sent a reasonable amount of time one and did over 160kmh on back when they were only a couple of years old

XJ550
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4097570437?bof=uNOce5Ot

Might be practically brand new but not even live rego for the price, cool bike nonetheless, bought one for $400 out of the buy, sell, exchange, pre internet days, possibly not as tidy though

RD400
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4087496660?bof=uNOce5Ot

[F5 Dave]

I saw the XJ and thought of a mate who had one in the 80s. Sounded great to my teenage ears. But then again, so did The Dead Kennedys.
I think I first met you riding one of those. And Cathy.

The RD is the right model I want. Just the Euro one. That's cloud cuckoo land price. Similar one went for under 6k 3 years ago. Worth more now, but. ...

[onearmedbandit]

Someone is happy to bid nearly 30k on it.

[F5 Dave]

Jeez. That's 92 miles only! Sheesh.

[Kickaha]

I think I first met you riding one of those. And Cathy.

Yeah on a ride from Caltex Rimutuka, still have that one, it's done 100,000km, came from Jellywrestlers brother as it turned out, still have it, partially disassembled as I was thinking consuming a litre of oil per 1000km was a bit excessive, have a XJ600 motor to go in it "one day"


Someone is happy to bid nearly 30k on it.

Maybe not as optimistic as I thought then

[HenryDorsetCase]

I had no idea of the detail differences as between US and Euro/NZ models: valves in the pipes that aren't powervalves (which are fucking awesome) and points vs CDI. Plus the ridiculous handlebars it is wearing.

There are a few Kenny Roberts/Yammie speedblock RZ350's around. Thats a bike I would consider owning again. Though my favourite lately is the RZ350 in the Lambretta.

[husaberg]

I had no idea of the detail differences as between US and Euro/NZ models: valves in the pipes that aren't powervalves (which are fucking awesome) and points vs CDI. Plus the ridiculous handlebars it is wearing.

There are a few Kenny Roberts/Yammie speedblock RZ350's around. Thats a bike I would consider owning again. Though my favourite lately is the RZ350 in the Lambretta.




You're welcome. click on them 3 times then use your mouse to scroll it would not let me attach it as a PDF.

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my memory was they did the points on the us models as they needed to save $$$ on the price point with all the other add ons.

[husaberg]

The LC was available only in (i think) Canada
but the RZ was only sold in 49 states and for two years with cat convertors although it was sold for longer in canada. not sure if they had the cats.
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bust out a pic of that chrome tank Dave:innocent:

[F5 Dave]

Oh all right. Heres my RZ. . . ish.

[husaberg]

Oh all right. Heres my RZ. . . ish.

That rod on the rear set gearlever appears to be longer the the side stand.
You did paint the tank?

[F5 Dave]

That's cause the stand is pretty short. Yeah does look long, but the pegs are in fine relation to the seat etc, just a short engine. Everything is very 250 sized, you had to wind dyno adjuster to short wheelbase.

Those GSXR rearsets are only temporary on blocks to find right position that I can drill new holes in hanger plates. I based the triangle surprisingly on my 750sp but it feels quite natural, but I've ridden it no more than 10km at a time, so will hold off making new set on mill at werk.

I kinda like the tank in a 16yr old way, I'll grow out of it eventually and have a spare hanging up. It's the bodywork that needs addressing but want to find suitable full cover. Did have a lead on tyga set but failed to follow it up.

[sugilite]

Oh all right. Heres my RZ. . . ish.

RGV chassis?

[husaberg]

braced RG yamagamma with plenty some rgv by the look of it...
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i only remember the chrome tank and the engine..
Tell us Dave

[F5 Dave]

RGV wheels, forks swingarm and bodywork, ohlins, racetech, nissins, heavily braced RG frame. RZ engine, Cheetah Banshee 496 kit etc.

[dangerous]

Oh all right. Heres my RZ. . . ish.

and heres one I am liking very much...
https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/1983-yamaha-rz350/SSE-AD-13011246/?Cr=397

[F5 Dave]

That's nice. Probably puts out 70hp if done right for a 350.

Mine will be 10 to 20kg lighter and touches 100hp.

[HenryDorsetCase]

and heres one I am liking very much...
https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/1983-yamaha-rz350/SSE-AD-13011246/?Cr=397

One of my mates just shipped a bike here from Melbournium. I can ask him who he used and what it cost if you want. ........ just saying. We are still at 92 something cents too so you'd be under $25k here.

[dangerous]

One of my mates just shipped a bike here from Melbournium. I can ask him who he used and what it cost if you want. ........ just saying. We are still at 92 something cents too so you'd be under $25k here.

mate... i dont have 25 cents

[F5 Dave]

Oh c'mon, I can see you one something like this

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4066692344?rsqid=25fd6995a74849a081d3239faf3c1a2b-010

[F5 Dave]

In the wind Righteous Bro, In the Wind.

[dangerous]

Oh c'mon, I can see you one something like this

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4066692344?rsqid=25fd6995a74849a081d3239faf3c1a2b-010

not talking to me are ya davie boy...

[Laava]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4046091306
lols…

[F5 Dave]

What a complete and dangerous piece of shit with a cunt selling it. Answers to questions prove it. He knew it wasn't able to be registered without certification but didn't want to put it in the add.
Says running. Bet that hides the word Barely in sub context. That's an su carb off some old pos car.

Bet those pipes ground out if the bike was able to get any speed up.

[Laava]

Yep took a sub par bike and made it substantially worse!!

[F5 Dave]

Funny you should mention that.

F9 just did a review dropped a couple of days ago.
At least of the std bike. As usual any custom version is worse, and he explains why it shouldn't be a custom engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmIm4T12IM

[HenryDorsetCase]

What a complete and dangerous piece of shit with a cunt selling it. Answers to questions prove it. He knew it wasn't able to be registered without certification but didn't want to put it in the add.
Says running. Bet that hides the word Barely in sub context. That's an su carb off some old pos car.

Bet those pipes ground out if the bike was able to get any speed up.

The Migthy SU with 1 inch bore. As found on such stellar performers as: Morris Minor. Austin Mini, Singer Vogue, Hillman Minx, and other wonderful cars of their era. The 1950's.

[F5 Dave]

Ooh, stop it! I might have to break into a rousing chorus of Royal Britannia.

[dangerous]

Funny you should mention that.

F9 just did a review dropped a couple of days ago.
At least of the std bike. As usual any custom version is worse, and he explains why it shouldn't be a custom engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmIm4T12IM

naaaa... come on he takes the piss... it was a comuter and cool at that, I like the styling was the in thing that year... errr month, ok day Like the FT500 ascot it was a jap market town bike... besides Dave, "you meet the nicest people on a Honda"... HEY ya meet me when I rode a honda, or three

[Kickaha]

naaaa... come on he takes the piss... it was a comuter and cool at that, I like the styling was the in thing that year... errr month, ok day Like the FT500 ascot it was a jap market town bike... besides Dave, "you meet the nicest people on a Honda"... HEY ya meet me when I rode a honda, or three

You like the CX500 though so automatically your taste in bikes is shit

[HenryDorsetCase]

Coolest FT500 ever!!!

https://pipeburn.com/82-honda-ascot-ft500-motorelic/

[F5 Dave]

You're not wrong. Although those twin rectangular headlights might need some getting used to.

So onda tried two 500s in tracker guises but missed the mark considerably both time.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You're not wrong. Although those twin rectangular headlights might need some getting used to.

So onda tried two 500s in tracker guises but missed the mark considerably both time.

Yep. This is after they decided in the 80's to go after hardly ableson in Flat Track racing, and got a CX500, turned the cylinders 90 degrees, hogged it out to 750, and completely owned them.

https://www.cycleworld.com/honda-that-took-over-dirt-track-racing-in-80s/

I love all racing machinery but I have a particular soft spot for these and RSC Honda endurance racers (pre-HRC) Like that Tajima racing thing that looked like an RCB1000. Ooooh errrr missus.

[F5 Dave]

I remember reading the original articles on those machines. A mate later bought an XLV750 new which, although Dakar styled kinda reminded me.

[husaberg]

Yep. This is after they decided in the 80's to go after hardly ableson in Flat Track racing, and got a CX500, turned the cylinders 90 degrees, hogged it out to 750, and completely owned them.

https://www.cycleworld.com/honda-that-took-over-dirt-track-racing-in-80s/

I love all racing machinery but I have a particular soft spot for these and RSC Honda endurance racers (pre-HRC) Like that Tajima racing thing that looked like an RCB1000. Ooooh errrr missus.

the RS750 was a completely unrelated bike to the cx.
The first try was a cx based but it was pretty shit.

I think it won a national but probably only due to the greatness of Freddie or Bubba? googles no it was Scott Pearson.
https://scontent.fchc2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/250802818_4437451246331570_6120460118244240613_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=wNUlTvCS7mkAX8Hxf-W&_nc_ht=scontent.fchc2-1.fna&oh=00_AfAMOHLf1LGyj8LD0pd9PU6kJj7PZX79K9dNO_IrNgpF LQ&oe=6457C9C2

https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/gh1EQRVAIxZ0MKqDip_HSaZJygs=/1000x750/filters:focal(45x45:55x55)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/octane/WHMNVGQXPZG73ELWGVCRH2BW5Q.jpg

They then built a proper race engine the problem was they never supported the rs engines later when the AMA bowed to Harley and slowed the engines with restrictor plates to favour Harleys
Honda then pulled support after they had proven it a winner
That said it had an inherent crank weakness that effected all the offset crankpin Hondas
it won a BOTT Daytona in a welsh made frame though.

Some say it was based on the 45 v XLV750R or the shadow i do not think it was, i think it was a floor up race motor that looked like the other Hondas
looking at this pic i think this theory is right as the clutch cover looked very different so i looked at both parts fiche for the VT and the XLV705R

the RS is chain drive clearly the others are Gear.
maybe this was part of the process to reverse the rotation?
https://www.americanflattrack.com/storage/app/media/uploaded-files/onbench.jpeg

https://magazine.cycleworld.com/image/spread/19900201/23/2
https://magazine.cycleworld.com/image/spread/19900201/24/2

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[HenryDorsetCase]

Now that I think about it, it was fucking Bauer that bought Cycle magazine and "amalgamated" it with Cycle World (which was an inferior publication) in the 80's or 90's, and it was Bauer that owned Performance Bikes and "amalgamated" it with Impractical Sportsbikes which they have now killed off.

Fucking Bauer is the problem. Didnt they also fuck over all those NZ magazines? My better half gets an architectural magazine called "Here" which arose from the ashes of some publication fucked over by Bauer.

So they can get stuffed.

[dangerous]

Yep. This is after they decided in the 80's to go after hardly ableson in Flat Track racing, and got a CX500, turned the cylinders 90 degrees, hogged it out to 750, and completely owned them.
well no, it was still a 500 but barrels were swaped so the carbs were out the front (side) and exhaust out the back (other side) tho Im not sure how that worked with the angle of the manifolds and it was converted to chain drive... the go all out was the 750 Vtwin and yes basicly a biger version of the FTV500 engine that F9 bagged out



You like the CX500 though so automatically your taste in bikes is shit naaa... well, yeah I spose

[F5 Dave]

As soon as you said BOTT, I thought Paul Lewis, and sure enough. Angry Ant I think was his nickname. He rode RG500s but struggled with the push starts as rotary and he was not a big guy. He might have even ridden CibaGigi carbon framed setup. But I'm channeling a very old ACMN memory in black and white.

[husaberg]

As soon as you said BOTT, I thought Paul Lewis, and sure enough. Angry Ant I think was his nickname. He rode RG500s but struggled with the push starts as rotary and he was not a big guy. He might have even ridden CibaGigi carbon framed setup. But I'm channeling a very old ACMN memory in black and white.
Yip ended up working for Garne or similar
Angry Ant looked like an accountant and won it i think two years in a row once or 2 out of three plus a second on the Norton which up until then was the only Cosworth ever not to win a major race.

edit he finished second in 86 to the Ducati 851 prototype on the Norton.
The Norton with Rodger Marshall finished second again with a sick engine.
Paul Lewis was leading on the Honda and went out with i think a crank failure.

I think Rodger Marshall won 88 on the norton.
89 Ducati beat out Lewis on the Honda
90? that might have been when he won ion the Honda?
91 Lewis raced the early Britten Britten and finished second when it had issues

94 Britten won Bott Daytona
but he was doing weellies past the Ducati so he had a bit of speed over him.
He was a bloody unlucky dude he clearly had the talent he was racing in the 90s still in BOTT.
I never considered but yes that ws the push start period
He went back to Aussie and ran the biggest Harley dealership and now makes cafe racers it seems.
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https://www.motorcyclenews.net/tag/two-stroke/


https://youtu.be/2dQDXaeQQrM

[dangerous]

As soon as you said BOTT, I thought Paul Lewis,

Lewis Vs Stroud...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnjxoBQ6TQ&t=72s

[husaberg]

Joey on the Britten when the irish did the tour in about 98
Greg i missed the other less famous John at the start first time i watched it but he has a cameo at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-aNeTHzzzc

[Grumph]

You mean of course the infamous John.....

[F5 Dave]

Oh yeah, I read about the Salt. Those mirrors are dumb. Look gumby and you have to look 4" below the handlebars .

[husaberg]

You mean of course the infamous John.....

Hi i was wrong, looking at the parts fiche for the RS750
it was indeed apparently based on the XLV750R....
It even has a old final drive modeled from the shaft of the XLV

The transmission has xlv parts as is some of the right side parts like gaskets.

353016353019

Dangerous will be stoked it has a CX650 clutch plate...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh yeah, I read about the Salt. Those mirrors are dumb. Look gumby and you have to look 4" below the handlebars .

I learned a lot from watching THE CANNONBALL RUN when I was a kid. One was that I like busty women (thank you Adrienne Barbeau) and another was "Whats-a behind me is-a not important" which was the guy in the Ferrari throwing the rear view mirror over his shoulder.

[pete376403]

I learned a lot from watching THE CANNONBALL RUN when I was a kid. One was that I like busty women (thank you Adrienne Barbeau) and another was "Whats-a behind me is-a not important" which was the guy in the Ferrari throwing the rear view mirror over his shoulder.

Totally off topic - but if you like Adrienne Barbeau, did you ever watch a TV series "Carnivale"? A travelling carny in the 1920s USA. As usual, HBO fucked it up and didn't complete the story arc, but what they did make was very cool, a bit mystical and quite compelling viewing (well I thought so)

[neels]

"Whats-a behind me is-a not important" which was the guy in the Ferrari throwing the rear view mirror over his shoulder.
I live by this. If you're fast enough, pass me. If not, suck it up and stay behind. I'm not looking to see.

Also, most people are fast enough.....

[pritch]

Fucking Bauer is the problem. Didnt they also fuck over all those NZ magazines?

I believe it was indeed. Some mags survived the upheaval, "The Listener" was one such.

[F5 Dave]

My trip over the Rimas downhill into Featherston last Sunday had me thinking: this prick doesn't even know I'm here I bet as I was graciously waving to suggest he deviated into the slow bay so I could crawl past.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Totally off topic - but if you like Adrienne Barbeau, did you ever watch a TV series "Carnivale"? A travelling carny in the 1920s USA. As usual, HBO fucked it up and didn't complete the story arc, but what they did make was very cool, a bit mystical and quite compelling viewing (well I thought so)

Agreed - I did enjoy that though it was a few years ago now. I particularly enjoyed stuff like Escape from New York and The Fog. Also Swamp Thing...

[F5 Dave]

Creepshow was what we took gurls to to try and scare them, but squealed ourselves in very unmanly fashion. Heck facial hair was not more than a wisp back then.

[dangerous]

fuck me... you guys shudered at the 500;;; heres 400 at twice the price new, and a jap import at that''' BN 6K strike me bleeding pink
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4117584593

[jim.cox]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4117584593

" some spare parts to make her even more good looking "

I shudder to imagine what that looks like.

[F5 Dave]

I think I might have said, but I have a soft spot for those. A mate had one for a courier bike in the early 90s and I borrowed it when my CBX550 ran the crank.
It was a std, it handled acceptably, it went ok for a 400 when you punished it. So it got punished all the time. I think it secretly liked it.

It saved me from the bus, and my 550 felt pretty fit after.

But about 3 times what it's worth? Nah, just another unattractive uninspiring *onda.

[Drew]

fuck me... you guys shudered at the 500;;; heres 400 at twice the price new, and a jap import at that''' BN 6K strike me bleeding pink
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4117584593
I've got a fairly tidy one in the garage.

I'll let it go for $1500

[Laava]

Check out the rear guard on this chop. It has been listed for a long time, I think he has come down on price but that rear guard is seriously on the wrong machine. It looks like a T bucket guard. It looks nicely detailed tho…
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/other/listing/4109919071?bof=S2E6Ch8I

[HenryDorsetCase]

Check out the rear guard on this chop. It has been listed for a long time, I think he has come down on price but that rear guard is seriously on the wrong machine. It looks like a T bucket guard. It looks nicely detailed tho…
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/other/listing/4109919071?bof=S2E6Ch8I

didnt it start at like $60k?

[F5 Dave]

There's a saying: No one ever went broke underestimating people's Taste. Nowhere so true as in A'merca. Septics embrace ugly-tacky as "I've made it"

Yes buddy. You sure have..

[Laava]

didnt it start at like $60k?
He might have put some more km's on it. It's up to 973.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm toying with the idea of buying a supermoto, for what I want it looks like the DRZ400SM will suit my needs so I have them on my watchlist, a cheap one is around $6500 to the nicest example starting at $10500. Then there is this 'E' model...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/suzuki/listing/4120307986

[F5 Dave]

The cams and BB kit will have cost a packet. He's just trying to recover all of it.

But use caution. Its the WIDOWMAKER!!! Probably touching 40hp now, so you can see why it's called that.

And Beware! It has the Number of the Beast marked on it. Scary stuff indeed.

[onearmedbandit]

There's others with the big bore kit priced at the lower end of the market, one at $6500, SM's with the right forks and swingarm. Maybe the devil made him do it. Good luck to him.

[Stylo]

The cams and BB kit will have cost a packet. He's just trying to recover all of it.

But use caution. Its the WIDOWMAKER!!! Probably touching 40hp now, so you can see why it's called that.

And Beware! It has the Number of the Beast marked on it. Scary stuff indeed.

I've got a KX500, they used to call them the 'Widowmaker' .

Never killed me but I have broken a few bones. They get along Ok. Never the bikes fault always my lack of judgement. Only takes a split second on any dirt bike I guess.

[JATZ]

I'm toying with the idea of buying a supermoto, for what I want it looks like the DRZ400SM will suit my needs so I have them on my watchlist, a cheap one is around $6500 to the nicest example starting at $10500. Then there is this 'E' model...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/suzuki/listing/4120307986

You'd be bored within 20 k's, probably starting to nod off too

This >> https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/ktm/listing/4111630672?bof=0sIbbUIq on the other hand ...

[onearmedbandit]

You'd be bored within 20 k's, probably starting to nod off too

This >> https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/ktm/listing/4111630672?bof=0sIbbUIq on the other hand ...

I'm keeping the GSXR for open road riding, I want a small light bike for more urban riding. I was even considering a KTM Duke 390, but I think I'd have more fun on a supermoto.

[jellywrestler]

I've got a KX500, they used to call them the 'Widowmaker' .

whose the 'They' you refer too?

[Kickaha]

I do like the BMW twins but the seat/subframe bit to be desired, do you need cert for a bolt on subframe mod ?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/bmw/listing/4122935219

[YellowDog]

I do like the BMW twins but the seat/subframe bit to be desired, do you need cert for a bolt on subframe mod ?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/bmw/listing/4122935219

I like that. Looks really cool :banana:

(NOT at $20k though :shit:)

[F5 Dave]

Funny, I was thinking. Jeez, that's substantially ugly. Also, R65, probably, like 40hp, maybe 60 when pushed to unreliable, and still heavy even with everything removed. Why bother?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Funny, I was thinking. Jeez, that's substantially ugly. Also, R65, probably, like 40hp, maybe 60 when pushed to unreliable, and still heavy even with everything removed. Why bother?

indeed.

I need you to buy this for me: ticks a lot of boxes for me. I would add front guard and a fork brace: maybe a slightly larger fuel tank for road use... same shape but deep enough to line up with the bottom of the seat.

https://www.sideburnmagazine.com/post/for-sale-honda-ft500-street-tracker

[onearmedbandit]

Funny, I was thinking. Jeez, that's substantially ugly. Also, R65, probably, like 40hp, maybe 60 when pushed to unreliable, and still heavy even with everything removed. Why bother?

To flex on the Distinguished Gentleman's Ride?

[george formby]

indeed.

I need you to buy this for me: ticks a lot of boxes for me. I would add front guard and a fork brace: maybe a slightly larger fuel tank for road use... same shape but deep enough to line up with the bottom of the seat.

https://www.sideburnmagazine.com/post/for-sale-honda-ft500-street-tracker

Oh! If someone else is paying....

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[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh! If someone else is paying....

353049

Oooh errr Missus.

[F5 Dave]

Oh! If someone else is paying....

353049

Now yer talking. 70+hp and 130kg plus would sound great. I was going to concede something complimentary about the FT, but this has given some perspective to what would be fun and cool.

[F5 Dave]

indeed.

I need you to buy this for me: ticks a lot of boxes for me. I would add front guard and a fork brace: maybe a slightly larger fuel tank for road use... same shape but deep enough to line up with the bottom of the seat.

https://www.sideburnmagazine.com/post/for-sale-honda-ft500-street-tracker

And I need you to buy me This
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4126488314

Check out the brochure! I could be That Guy!.

Next step would be ape hangers and highway pegs. Spare bike shows someone else had the same idea.
In the wind righteous bro!
Ringdingding.

[george formby]

I believe it's worth another pic.

https://www.advrider.com/f/attachments/1a2b110d-69a4-4edf-9337-3c2756e03c0a-jpeg.4368481/

[Grumph]

And I need you to buy me This
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4126488314

Check out the brochure! I could be That Guy!.

Next step would be ape hangers and highway pegs. Spare bike shows someone else had the same idea.
In the wind righteous bro!
Ringdingding.

Aermacchi made of course. When we were looking for the similar 125 for use as a base for a replica Macchi 125 roadracer I was told about those 2 250's.
There's another one wrecked in the SI I believe. Not really good for much at all.

[Laava]

indeed.

I need you to buy this for me: ticks a lot of boxes for me. I would add front guard and a fork brace: maybe a slightly larger fuel tank for road use... same shape but deep enough to line up with the bottom of the seat.

https://www.sideburnmagazine.com/post/for-sale-honda-ft500-street-tracker
Has he fitted a sensor light on the front? Does it only come on when someone walks in front of it?

[F5 Dave]

Aermacchi made of course. When we were looking for the similar 125 for use as a base for a replica Macchi 125 roadracer I was told about those 2 250's.
There's another one wrecked in the SI I believe. Not really good for much at all.

Except turning up to HOG meetings with said ape hangers and 15:1 premix. :bleh:

[F5 Dave]

CPI cylinders Serval or Cub. Same style manifolds as mine. Keihin Pwk carbs. Probably 35s. That would be mid 70 to 80hp depending on bore size of which there are several.

[Kickaha]

Funny, I was thinking. Jeez, that's substantially ugly. Also, R65, probably, like 40hp, maybe 60 when pushed to unreliable, and still heavy even with everything removed. Why bother?

Easy 60hp with zero reliability problems, the bottom ends are a bit over built, but it'd still be overpriced and ugly

The people in the comments talking about how much shit costs to build should know you may as well set your cash on fire because you aren't getting it back

[husaberg]

Except turning up to HOG meetings with said ape hangers and 15:1 premix. :bleh:

Years before they did these they had a bantam/dkw 125 clone called a hummer....
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The early Cagivas used the Aemacchi Harley motor. when harley sold off aemacchi
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Harley did a MX bike as well
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the 75 model limited production had rear fork shocks and a rear disc.
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https://motocrossactionmag.com/classic-motocross-iron-1975-harley-davidson-mx-250-two-stroke/
i have a Harley 175 engine under the bench its a smaller bore 250.

[Grumph]

If we could have sourced an engine, making a 125 copy would have been dead easy.
Forks are 30mm Cerianis same as road 250/350.
Very pretty little bikes. And as my customer already had 250 and 350 race replicas, it would have rounded out the collection.

[F5 Dave]

Years before they did these they had a bantam/dkw 125 clone called a hummer....
353052

The early Cagivas used the Aemacchi Harley motor. when harley sold off aemacchi
353053

Harley did a MX bike as well
353054

the 75 model limited production had rear fork shocks and a rear disc.
353055353056

https://motocrossactionmag.com/classic-motocross-iron-1975-harley-davidson-mx-250-two-stroke/
i have a Harley 175 engine under the bench its a smaller bore 250.
Ok, I thought I knew everything, but I'd never seen that dirt model. Or the crazy forks for shocks idea. Ever.

Amazing that they carried on with their Pig Iron wilderbeasts thereafter.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Doug Bradbury of Answer Manitou made an early FS mountain bike using the same principle. It was hella expensive and not very good. I vividly remember when the first of my mates paid $1000 for a pair of Manitou 1's (we were riding rigid bikes at the time) which had 25mm of elastomer goodness travel. This is very early 1990's round 1993

[F5 Dave]

Easy 60hp with zero reliability problems, the bottom ends are a bit over built, but it'd still be overpriced and ugly

The people in the comments talking about how much shit costs to build should know you may as well set your cash on fire because you aren't getting it back
Oh yeah? Did tiny search

https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/r65-exhaust-question.1208246/

Heres a local example with a pipe barely scrapes past 40 which is a fair improvement on before. Next step is big bore which means not a 65.

[Grumph]

BMW cams are more about a quiet valve train than making power.

[husaberg]

BMW cams are more about a quiet valve train than making power.

just get rid of the pushrods

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/classic-racer/20190813/281573767310504

i remember reading about this one in an early 80's Classic racer not much bmw left..

[F5 Dave]

Jeezuz

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4127141947

5 grand for a collection of parts some clearly not for this bike, no pipes, lots of corrosion, tank that looks like it has spent some time in a cement mixer.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Jeezuz

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4127141947

5 grand for a collection of parts some clearly not for this bike, no pipes, lots of corrosion, tank that looks like it has spent some time in a cement mixer.

Those RD's in Welly would be more you. Aircooled though.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah I did see. I had a 350 with the obligatory 250 stickers I put over the incriminating 350 ones.

But i didn't make an offer for the one that lived at my place for several years. Just didn't toot my flute as much as the 400G. Had one lined up but never happened. Hes still supposed to call when hes ready, but the price will have doubled by now.

Decided I should put effort into finishing my 500 rather than another project.
Problem is I'm too tired at night and like today, the choice was go out and ride the 765 or stay home doing test runs and spannering. Sun was shinning, pie was calling. , ,

[HenryDorsetCase]

Problem is I'm too tired at night and like today, the choice was go out and ride the 765 or stay home doing test runs and spannering. Sun was shinning, pie was calling. , ,

Yep. Looked at the shed and went.... time for a mountainbike ride.

[F5 Dave]

I guess I could go into the garage now, but I'm too drunk/tired from servicing the missus.

Had spare ribs, slow cooked then basted with made from scratch sauce, turn, baste, turn baste, repeat another 5 times.

Roast potatoes. Salad. Cooking beer. Wine. Yum..

[husaberg]

I guess I could go into the garage now, but I'm too drunk/tired from serving the missus.

Had spare ribs, slow cooked then basted with made from scratch sauce, turn, baste, turn baste, repeat another 5 times.

Roast potatoes. Salad. Cooking beer. Wine. Yum..

damn autocorect....

[F5 Dave]

No, no I was right the first time. Sunday afternoon is the biz.

[husaberg]

No, no I was right the first time. Sunday afternoon is the biz.

two minute noddle

[F5 Dave]

That's including the vape afterwards.

(This channel does not endorse smoking or vaping, just say no kids).

[dangerous]

(This channel does not endorse smoking or vaping, just say no kids).

fucking homos...

[F5 Dave]

Only added for comedic reasons. I dont vape and smoking only occurs when oil is mixed with the petrol.

Might be one of those homos though.

[dangerous]

Only added for comedic reasons. I dont vape and smoking only occurs when oil is mixed with the petrol.

Might be one of those homos though.
Hahaaaaa... We all are Dave

[Kickaha]

fucking homos...

I'm reporting you for hate speech you homophobe

[dangerous]

I'm reporting you for hate speech you homophobe

Homo... Homosapien "human" fuck me ya can't say shit with out someones feelings being hurt...

[F5 Dave]

This guy usually has some pretty savage pricing, that said eventually he stops listing so perhaps he gets some interest and negotiates a sale.

But jeez. Who the fuck would pay this for a whinny little 4 stroke?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4152843185

I mean, he even has a DB2 listed for less.

[HenryDorsetCase]

This guy usually has some pretty savage pricing, that said eventually he stops listing so perhaps he gets some interest and negotiates a sale.

But jeez. Who the fuck would pay this for a whinny little 4 stroke?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4152843185

I mean, he even has a DB2 listed for less.

He used to get his better half to dress provocatively and pout which was pic 1. Like he says: "It is often said that the world we grew up in no longer exists. This is true. But..........."

[sugilite]

Im calling bullshit on 40 hp for a 80s 250 four.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm guessing the kms are the main reason behind that pricing. Wouldn't have gone cheap in the auctions in Japan either, higher km stuff is common but low km's always brings out more bidders.

[Grumph]

Im calling bullshit on 40 hp for a 80s 250 four.

JDM model. They were limited to that at home. Price isn't too far out. They're seriously collectable.

[husaberg]

This guy usually has some pretty savage pricing, that said eventually he stops listing so perhaps he gets some interest and negotiates a sale.

But jeez. Who the fuck would pay this for a whinny little 4 stroke?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4152843185

I mean, he even has a DB2 listed for less.

Wasnt the MC17 the 300mm single disc

MC14 was half fairing
https://global-fs.webike-cdn.net/moto_img/cg/5/4592/L_cbr250four_1986.jpg
mc19 full fair smaller twin disc
i bought wheels especially from this model as it was single rotor 2.5x17 (nope it was the MC19 you dick)

Scratch that MC19 was single disc
https://global-fs.webike-cdn.net/moto_img/cg/5/4598/L_cbr250r_1988.jpg

mc17 was twin smaller disc'with the weird flower petal big centers.

mc17
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plus/1995533440.jpg

the 22 was the odd framed one.
https://www.japaneseclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/DSC_0138.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7fm4IekTNElbo8SLOESX9_qxPooA1n fdu0Kuxbd4HdJhXhvFCd9eMtbPMjwOZk3Zp6L4&usqp=CAU
bloody sexy swingarm though

[onearmedbandit]

Nope, definitely the MC17.

https://bike-lineage.org/honda/cbr250r/mc17.html

[husaberg]

Nope, definitely the MC17.

https://bike-lineage.org/honda/cbr250r/mc17.html

yeah i corrected it

[dangerous]

But jeez. Who the fuck would pay this for a whinny little 4 stroke?
I thought the same... but it is tidy and Honda was always about screaming mulities... but tis one isent the 20000rpm monster...



He used to get his better half to dress provocatively and pout which was pic 1. Like he says: "It is often said that the world we grew up in no longer exists. This is true. But..........."
LOL... yeah, but I made the comment "get that scanty tart out of the way so I can see the bike" and, well... she never came back...


Im calling bullshit on 40 hp for a 80s 250 four.
yeah... averaged between 21-26hp... but they rated them at around 9-10000rpm... they reved to 18-22000rpm... ya cant tell me they produced no more power after 10k?
IIRC the RR had 45HP @ 19000rpm, sounds right or am i thinking of the 400?

[dangerous]

Don't make these any more either, the asking price is interesting, far out.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/forrestfield/motorcycles/kawasaki-kx500-2000-26500-the-bling-machine-/1311572894

meh... id sooner have a green one...


Im calling bullshit on 40 hp for a 80s 250 four.

bugger... just googled that shit...

Honda CBR250R , manufactured or sold in 1988, (JDM) (since May)
manual 6-speed gearbox
gasoline (petrol) engine with displacement: 249.8 cm3 / 15.2 cui, advertised power: 33 kW / 44 hp / 45 PS ( JIS net ), torque: 25.5 Nm / 19 lb-ft
characteristic dimensions: outside length: 2020 mm / 79.5 in, width: 685 mm / 27 in, wheelbase: 1365 mm / 53.7 in
reference weights: base curb weight: 154 kg / 339 lbs, gross weight GVWR: 264 kg / 582 lbs
how fast is this motorbike ? top speed: 180 km/h (112 mph) (declared by factory);
accelerations: 0- 60 mph 4.6© s; 0- 100 km/h 4.8© s (simulation ©motorbikecatalog.com); 1/4 mile drag time (402 m) 13.4© s

[husaberg]

meh... id sooner have a green one...



bugger... just googled that shit...

Honda CBR250R , manufactured or sold in 1988, (JDM) (since May)
manual 6-speed gearbox
gasoline (petrol) engine with displacement: 249.8 cm3 / 15.2 cui, advertised power: 33 kW / 44 hp / 45 PS ( JIS net ), torque: 25.5 Nm / 19 lb-ft
characteristic dimensions: outside length: 2020 mm / 79.5 in, width: 685 mm / 27 in, wheelbase: 1365 mm / 53.7 in
reference weights: base curb weight: 154 kg / 339 lbs, gross weight GVWR: 264 kg / 582 lbs
how fast is this motorbike ? top speed: 180 km/h (112 mph) (declared by factory);
accelerations: 0- 60 mph 4.6© s; 0- 100 km/h 4.8© s (simulation ©motorbikecatalog.com); 1/4 mile drag time (402 m) 13.4© s

The 44hp is measured at the piston ring rather than the rear wheel. probalbly with an open airbox and exhaust and no accessories.
Its the nominal limit they cant exceed, the limit was later lowered to 40hp.
i am pretty sure they also rated the VT250 at 45 later in life and the early ones were 25 or 28hp at the rear wheel. a decent LC was about 30-35.

[roogazza]

Reading the Specs of these little bikes, I recall the humble Yamaha yds3 of 1966, can't remember the weight (heavy) but took mine to a sprint in the rapa in about 67' recorded 16.4 in the quarter mile and 94mph in the flying quarter.

I was about 17 yrs old then, how on earth do I remember those details ? lol.:lol: :lol::rolleyes:

PS Oh and they put out 26 bhp !

[husaberg]

Reading the Specs of these little bikes, I recall the humble Yamaha yds3 of 1966, can't remember the weight (heavy) but took mine to a sprint in the rapa in about 67' recorded 16.4 in the quarter mile and 94mph in the flying quarter.

I was about 17 yrs old then, how on earth do I remember those details ? lol.:lol: :lol::rolleyes:

PS Oh and they put out 26 bhp !

I have a complete YDS3 coming up for sale soon.....Just the thing for a retired Gent to restore

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4159285586


OK Kiwibiker knitting circle: what do you reckon? Optimistic or not. The same friendly and charming seller has sold a few bikes and I am fairly sure this has been on before? Or perhaps another. Personally for $32k I think it needs to be absolutely immaculate without a gark in the tank and some weirdness with the cases.

Anyway, over to the floor - your thoughts callers?

[dangerous]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4159285586


OK Kiwibiker knitting circle: what do you reckon? Optimistic or not. The same friendly and charming seller has sold a few bikes and I am fairly sure this has been on before? Or perhaps another. Personally for $32k I think it needs to be absolutely immaculate without a gark in the tank and some weirdness with the cases.

Anyway, over to the floor - your thoughts callers?

no............

[Laava]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4159285586


OK Kiwibiker knitting circle: what do you reckon? Optimistic or not. The same friendly and charming seller has sold a few bikes and I am fairly sure this has been on before? Or perhaps another. Personally for $32k I think it needs to be absolutely immaculate without a gark in the tank and some weirdness with the cases.

Anyway, over to the floor - your thoughts callers?
When you say weirdness, are you referring to what looks like a crack LH of the engine number stamping?

[dangerous]

When you say weirdness, are you referring to what looks like a crack LH of the engine number stamping?

crocked dash bothered me...

[F5 Dave]

It's over restored. Polished caliper and cam cover etc. Clearly clocked back. A real anorak would know if it were a K0 because that is always debatable. I'd bet against it just on gut feel. And it's not sandcast.

They dont float my boat . But over polished. . . I kinda like it. Looks better than new. Yeah 32k is a reasonable starting point. Maybe wrange it down a bit.

Bit risky as an investment without an expert classification.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/motorcycles/why-do-collectors-pay-double-for-a-honda-cb750-engine-cast-in-sand/

[actungbaby]

This guy usually has some pretty savage pricing, that said eventually he stops listing so perhaps he gets some interest and negotiates a sale.

But jeez. Who the fuck would pay this for a whinny little 4 stroke?


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4152843185

I mean, he even has a DB2 listed for less.The cbr 250 work art .close as we get to org 250 gp bikes.
Price is way overboard.

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[actungbaby]

Im calling bullshit on 40 hp for a 80s 250 four.Its 90s and that about right
It revs 16 k .love the sound.

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[actungbaby]

I thought the same... but it is tidy and Honda was always about screaming mulities... but tis one isent the 20000rpm monster...



LOL... yeah, but I made the comment "get that scanty tart out of the way so I can see the bike" and, well... she never came back...


yeah... averaged between 21-26hp... but they rated them at around 9-10000rpm... they reved to 18-22000rpm... ya cant tell me they produced no more power after 10k?
IIRC the RR had 45HP @ 19000rpm, sounds right or am i thinking of the 400?Nope the vfr 400 goes 60 bhp.

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[husaberg]

When you say weirdness, are you referring to what looks like a crack LH of the engine number stamping?

to me the numbers are K0
CB750K0 1969-70 CB750E- 1000001
CB750K1 1970-71 CB750E- 1044806
Although the correct sequence just dont look right here is a factory sandcast number stamping


It's fairly commonly accepted, CB750 1007414, was the last engine number to carry a set of sandcast crankcases.

WHAT WAS THE LAST SANDCAST FRAME NUMBER ?

Would assume the last frame could possibly have a number higher than 7414.

Our latest example is 7319/7375. Only 95 numbers away.....

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cmuU_Fn0yPs/hqdefault.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjn0v5Si71PYyNC66AsuEwPVC7T6A0H khyCQ&usqp=CAU

vs what they have in the pics.

So its not a sandcast (which i am pretty sure are really non pressure diecast rather than really sandcast.)

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plus/1984860996.jpg
What was common was the chain used to brake and destroy the cases , from what i read the replacement new cases were delivered unstamped.
this could be one of them or maybe Honda were not lining up the stamps and dis odd looking 9's?
oi am not into this sorti shit i only like counting rivets...

[F5 Dave]

The cbr 250 work art .close as we get to org 250 gp bikes.
Price is way overboard.

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Eh? 250 GP bikes were 2 stroke V twins. And before that parallel.

The TZR250 3XV roadbike crankcase could actually be used on the TZ250B, which in turn was borne of the YZR250 raced by Kosinski etc.

They were clearly the closest thing to a 250 GP bike. The CBR250 was about as close as a Goldwing. Not even close. Sheesh.

[Grumph]

Eh? 250 GP bikes were 2 stroke V twins. And before that parallel.

The TZR250 3XV roadbike crankcase could actually be used on the TZ250B, which in turn was borne of the YZR250 raced by Kosinski etc.

They were clearly the closest thing to a 250 GP bike. The CBR250 was about as close as a Goldwing. Not even close. Sheesh.


Clearly you're not old enough Dave. The reference is to the Honda multis of the 60's. 250 4's, 125 5's.

[jellywrestler]

Eh? 250 GP bikes were 2 stroke V twins. And before that parallel.



and originally 250 singles

[F5 Dave]

And none were watercooled cookie cutter roadbikes. So I reject that comparison.

[husaberg]

Clearly you're not old enough Dave. The reference is to the Honda multis of the 60's. 250 4's, 125 5's.

I went through the parts fiches and i cant find any parts in common with ythe rc163 and the mc14 17 19 or 21:bleh:
Rest assured Mike and youdid the right thing bandsawing up those FZR250's. tis was for the greater good.

[F5 Dave]

It's like the old joke, how do you make a dog go Meow?
Freeze it and put it through a bandsaw.

How do you make a 4 stroke. . . Well you get the point.

[dangerous]

Clearly you're not old enough Dave. The reference is to the Honda multis of the 60's. 250 4's, 125 5's.

yeah fuck... even I got that...

[F5 Dave]

Bet you it wasn't what he was thinking about. I've read enough 600 tests where they claim it flicks like a 250. <_<

[dangerous]

Bet you it wasn't what he was thinking about. I've read enough 600 tests where they claim it flicks like a 250. <_<

ya what?

we are talking about tiny valves and high reves... only thing worth flicking round here is the missus bean...

[husaberg]

ya what?

we are talking about tiny valves and high reves... only thing worth flicking round here is the missus bean...

i am not sure that's what she meant, she said, the way you have bean performing in bed, she should give you the flick....

[dangerous]

CBR 250RR 20,000rpm 45HP... thats a valve opening 167 times per SECOND At 10,000RPM 60KPH good for 200,000KM... thats two bilion revolutions

that... is what span Soichiro Hondas wheels...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0ZjDSn2jD0

[F5 Dave]

Anyway back on track

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4112565885

Imagine what else you can get for 6k?

Even the numberplate isn't straight.

[F5 Dave]

And here's its evil uglier twin. Needs a van to take it away! Pics aren't current.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4163196071

Only four Thousand dollars!?!!

[F5 Dave]

Museum exhibit they say.

Lots of these were sold in Europe in the 80s as they were real cheap as they were dreadful in the way only communism could Foster.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/other/listing/4157546217

Starting at 9 and a half? Fuck right off!

[F5 Dave]

Cmon Darryl, you know you want to.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4157378022

[dangerous]

Cmon Darryl, you know you want to.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4157378022

FFS Dave... enough with the hondas LOL...

[F5 Dave]

Here's your cbr250 by comparison

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4150384606

[F5 Dave]

FFS Dave... enough with the hondas LOL...

Ok maybe you like the Gootseeies?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/moto-guzzi/listing/4150896698

Fuck that is ugly. Go on. Defend it.

[F5 Dave]

Foe fuk sake its onda bashing time tonight.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4144589618

I mean this is fuked. There's nothing here you would want.

But comedy. Look at the shock absorbers. 😲

[F5 Dave]

Hhahaha! TONIGHT COMEDY https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4098100146

[F5 Dave]

Hahahar

What sort of homo would ride this?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4152580469

[dangerous]

Hahahar

What sort of homo would ride this?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4152580469

well... I was gona say "i will" but then i opened ya link... yeah im not even that homo Dave LOL

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hhahaha! TONIGHT COMEDY https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4098100146

...............and now we know why they're called ape hangers.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hahahar

What sort of homo would ride this?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4152580469

I see that poor knackered old thing but in my head I see this Mule street tracker.... which I would ride

[Laava]

Hhahaha! TONIGHT COMEDY https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4098100146
I think that footbrake operates on the front wheel as well just rubbing on the tyre kinda Fred Flintstone styles!

[Drew]

Hahahar

What sort of homo would ride this?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/harley-davidson/listing/4152580469

Yep, I would.

[Kickaha]

Imagine what else you can get for 6k?

.

Something that is LAMs approved instead of something he's lying about, as soon as they make any mod that alters power to weight it is no longer LAMs approved

Same as all these bikes that really need cert for frame mods and front end swaps before they are WOF eligible that the sellers forget to mention

[jellywrestler]

...............and now we know why they're called ape hangers.

thalidomide bars

[Oakie]

Im calling bullshit on 40 hp for a 80s 250 four.

Wouldn't be far out. Mrs Oakie had a 1991 Honda 250 four that put out 40hp.

[Racing Dave]

And here's its evil uglier twin. Needs a van to take it away! Pics aren't current.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4163196071

Only four Thousand dollars!?!!

...but at least the number plate is straight!

[F5 Dave]

Wouldn't be far out. Mrs Oakie had a 1991 Honda 250 four that put out 40hp.
Dyno chart or it didn't happen anywhere other than the sales brochure.

[Racing Dave]

Ok maybe you like the Gootseeies?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/moto-guzzi/listing/4150896698

Fuck that is ugly. Go on. Defend it.

It defends itself! "More like a sports bike around corners than a cruiser".

[HenryDorsetCase]

It defends itself! "More like a sports bike around corners than a cruiser".
I know someone who had one and really liked it. did a lot of miles on it too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/niu/listing/4163742191

The fuck? Six grand ? That sound you hear is Bruce McLaren spinning in his grave. Unless its made by the people who make McLaren prams. But still.

[actungbaby]

to me the numbers are K0
CB750K01969-70CB750E- 1000001
CB750K11970-71CB750E- 1044806
Although the correct sequence just dont look right here is a factory sandcast number stamping



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cmuU_Fn0yPs/hqdefault.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjn0v5Si71PYyNC66AsuEwPVC7T6A0H khyCQ&usqp=CAU

vs what they have in the pics.

So its not a sandcast (which i am pretty sure are really non pressure diecast rather than really sandcast.)

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plus/1984860996.jpg
What was common was the chain used to brake and destroy the cases , from what i read the replacement new cases were delivered unstamped.
this could be one of them or maybe Honda were not lining up the stamps and dis odd looking 9's?
oi am not into this sorti shit i only like counting rivets...My xl 100 1977 is k2 athough people said its a SL 100 .

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[Drew]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/niu/listing/4163742191

The fuck? Six grand ? That sound you hear is Bruce McLaren spinning in his grave. Unless its made by the people who make McLaren prams. But still.

I'd love to think they're high, for thinking adding badges to an E scooter was gonna get sales.

Alas, people are fucking dumb cunts.

[dangerous]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/niu/listing/4163742191

The fuck? Six grand ? That sound you hear is Bruce McLaren spinning in his grave. Unless its made by the people who make McLaren prams. But still.

chink shit...



Something that is LAMs approved instead of something he's lying about, as soon as they make any mod that alters power to weight it is no longer LAMs approved

have a ninja 650 here at the mo, twin LAMs bike... looked into de restricting it, unplug a plug and remove a bit of steel stopping the throtle from opening all the way... guess what already done...

[F5 Dave]

Geezuz mother flipping Krust.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/aprilia/listing/4165058201

A few years ago this would have got the 250 version. Those days have gone sadly.

But cuteness aside this will be a hard sell. The 125 maybe. . .

Bear in mind I'm something of a 50cc zealot as my screen name implies. But realism of what something is going to generate. As a show piece they aren't special the more you look the more steel and cheap fittings you see.
A laugh to ride. But only for a short while. Bear in mind I rode my RG50 Wellington to Cold Kiwi 6 times, .

[HenryDorsetCase]

this is the basis of a cool rider and an easy enough project (provided it has compression and a leakdown is OK) Plus it might stop a bit better than stock.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4168880812


And whats not to love about blue metalflake?

[neels]

this is the basis of a cool rider and an easy enough project (provided it has compression and a leakdown is OK) Plus it might stop a bit better than stock.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4168880812


And whats not to love about blue metalflake?
I was trying to figure out why it looked weird, then realised the hunched look is from having the forks shoved miles through the clamps.

Just another unfinished project, pulled it apart and went shopping for bits, then realised it takes some skill to put it back together and lost interest. Probably at worst a day's work to put that back together and get it running to sell, unless of course there's other things wrong with it......

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was trying to figure out why it looked weird, then realised the hunched look is from having the forks shoved miles through the clamps.

Just another unfinished project, pulled it apart and went shopping for bits, then realised it takes some skill to put it back together and lost interest. Probably at worst a day's work to put that back together and get it running to sell, unless of course there's other things wrong with it......

I really dislike that smashed in dash where the key used to go. Even I could ghetto something better than that.

[F5 Dave]

And what's going on with the handlebar clamps? Some sort of aliexpress gangster tat?

[F5 Dave]

Ahh this lass is selling her beloved bike. . . . After leaving it in a leaky shed to corrode to death for a decade or so.

But still wants the fully restored price for it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/4163821274

Plus how many people remember these from their past? I love 70s Suzuki trailies. The 250 and maybe the 400 are iconic. The 185 and 125 were popular, perhaps the 100s.

I knew there were 90s, but this is the first one I've seen.

[Hoonicorn]

Doesn't look too bad, could do with a wash and new coat of paint.

[husaberg]

Ahh this lass is selling her beloved bike. . . . After leaving it in a leaky shed to corrode to death for a decade or so.

But still wants the fully restored price for it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/4163821274

Plus how many people remember these from their past? I love 70s Suzuki trailies. The 250 and maybe the 400 are iconic. The 185 and 125 were popular, perhaps the 100s.

I knew there were 90s, but this is the first one I've seen.

Growing up the kid over the road from us had one it was cooler than My XL100S but slower i suspect it was like a 80s pop star.
All coked up.... the kid of the other side of me had a lateish YZ80. Still cool stuff pre-puberty

[dangerous]

Ahh this lass is selling her beloved bike. . . .
"Sadly I am listing this very Special TS90 . This bike is in excellent condition" fuck me dead foreskin fred... ohhhh its special all right but to say excellent condition the seller needs there head read aye... where the fuck is it anywere near excellent condition... naaa its the seller thats special not the bike

[F5 Dave]

Doesn't look too bad, could do with a wash and new coat of paint.
Aside from a clean, all the chrome is fucked, shocks, both guards, bars, headlight shroud. [ edit. Feet levers, kicker, right hand fork leg , points cover, heat sheild]

Yes it is all there which is nice, but chroming is very laborious and expensive. That's not just a few hundred dollars these days.

If it's not still seized, and it will be, if its had that much moisture, the crank will need a rebuild because they always fail when corrosion gets on the rod plated surface.
Pipe looks like it needs a fair bit of attention.

I'd hate to see what she thinks Average condition is like. Probably like Rusty my Stinger started out before I stupidly emarked on a resto.

[Laava]

And what's going on with the handlebar clamps? Some sort of aliexpress gangster tat?
Goldwing mate. You want one now I bet!…

[F5 Dave]

A mate had an early model one pass through his business, but I passed it over for religious reasons :oi-grr:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Aside from a clean, all the chrome is fucked, shocks, both guards, bars, headlight shroud. [ edit. Feet levers, kicker, right hand fork leg , points cover, heat sheild]

Yes it is all there which is nice, but chroming is very laborious and expensive. That's not just a few hundred dollars these days.

If it's not still seized, and it will be, if its had that much moisture, the crank will need a rebuild because they always fail when corrosion gets on the rod plated surface.
Pipe looks like it needs a fair bit of attention.

I'd hate to see what she thinks Average condition is like. Probably like Rusty my Stinger started out before I stupidly emarked on a resto.

buy this for me and you could have $1500 in change

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4163368511

You know it makes sense!

[HenryDorsetCase]

A mate had an early model one pass through his business, but I passed it over for religious reasons :oi-grr:

Tidy early ones used to be $5k. Now they're ridiculous. My favourite one lately is the one Jason on here built.

[F5 Dave]

buy this for me and you could have $1500 in change

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4163368511

You know it makes sense!
Pah! A dirty foulstroke. :oi-grr:

[Stylo]

Ahh this lass is selling her beloved bike. . . . After leaving it in a leaky shed to corrode to death for a decade or so.

But still wants the fully restored price for it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/4163821274

Plus how many people remember these from their past? I love 70s Suzuki trailies. The 250 and maybe the 400 are iconic. The 185 and 125 were popular, perhaps the 100s.

I knew there were 90s, but this is the first one I've seen.

Advertised as a TS 90 Hustler too. That's wrong. The Hustler was the 250 twin road bike from the same era.

The TS 90 was a Honcho. In New Zealand.

The TS 50 was the Gaucho then the TS 125 Duster, 185 Sierra . The 250 was the Savage and the 400 was the Apache. Loved the way Suzuki had names for every model along the engine size scale. Kawasaki called their 350 the Bighorn too.

Took a lime green one for a ride a few times back in the day . My mates brother had one, I was 16 years old.

I wish her luck at that price. Even restored it won't be worth the cost of restoration. It's one of those 'in between' bikes.

[F5 Dave]

Oddly, suzuki weren't overly concerned with reusing the same name in different markets for different bikes.

https://www.suzukicycles.org/TS-TC-series/TS90.shtml#gsc.tab=0

[husaberg]

A1 Samurai 250
A7 Avenger 350

F21M Green Streak
F3 Bushwhacker 175cc
F4 Sidewinder 250cc
F5 Bighorn 350cc
F8 Bison 250cc
F81M "Green Streak" 250cc

[Hoonicorn]

A1 Samurai 250
A7 Avenger 350

F21M Green Streak
F3 Bushwhacker 175cc
F4 Sidewinder 250cc
F5 Bighorn 350cc
F8 Bison 250cc
F81M "Green Streak" 250cc

Those old bikes had cool names, now they're like product codes, all GSXR-RR9T and KLR890-MT09. When people ask what you ride and you say "I have a 250 Samurai" it just sounds cooler than "the X8" ya know? Bring back proper bike names!

[Grumph]

Guy who worked at Tommy's in ChCh had a 90 he used for everything incl riding it at Wigram. Pretty sure it had a kit fitted - imported via Colemans and Tommy
I only remember him as "Crow" - all the workshop staff had nicknames. It was unfeasibly fast as i remember it and he rode it like there was no tomorrow.

[Stylo]

Oddly, suzuki weren't overly concerned with reusing the same name in different markets

https://www.suzukicycles.org/TS-TC-series/TS90.shtml#gsc.tab=0

But, there will only be one Hayabusa. The ZX14 has a generic 'Ninja' title too which is a pity.

First 250 I rode was Honda XL250 'Motosport' . Magic.

[Kickaha]

I know the names for some of them but don't really remember them ever being used here, I always thought it was more of an American Market thing

[HenryDorsetCase]

Those old bikes had cool names, now they're like product codes, all GSXR-RR9T and KLR890-MT09. When people ask what you ride and you say "I have a 250 Samurai" it just sounds cooler than "the X8" ya know? Bring back proper bike names!

The worst offender is Hardly Ableson. FXDXKLRZZWTF, etc.

Unless you're one of the cool kids ("Harley guy" not "motorbike person") then you dont care to be bothered learning the shit.

I do want this "Harley" Aermacchi 350 though.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/listing/4150499282?archive=1&bof=2i7eR32z

[pritch]

I quite liked the Elsinore. The name stayed the same whichever engine size IIRC.

[husaberg]

The original t500 was the Cobra

[Grumph]

The worst offender is Hardly Ableson. FXDXKLRZZWTF, etc.

Unless you're one of the cool kids ("Harley guy" not "motorbike person") then you dont care to be bothered learning the shit.

I do want this "Harley" Aermacchi 350 though.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/listing/4150499282?archive=1&bof=2i7eR32z

That is nice. Italian home market maybe. I'd thought that all the 350's badged HD went into the porky HD frame. I'd wonder if it's a 350 in a 250 frame.
Despite the GN250 ignition - which was one of my trademarks - I'm not the marque specialist who built the engine.

[roogazza]

Mate had a Honko or Honcho 90 , when i had a turtle chaser Honda SL125......

Many ,many Moons ago..... :laugh:

[F5 Dave]

But, there will only be one Hayabusa. . .
Don't worry, it will be reused on an electric scooter soon enough. There were Katana scooters in the 90s.

[F5 Dave]

Hodaka which was the next in line in Japanese trail bikes had the wonderfully named Combat Wombat. Now there's a cool name for down the pub to make you sound dangerous.

[husaberg]

Hodaka which was the next in line in Japanese trail bikes had the wonderfully named Combat Wombat. Now there's a cool name for down the pub to make you sound dangerous.

i had forgot about them the had the
Super rat
353308

Then the super combat
Then the fastest combat wombat.

okay never heard of this one the dirt squirt
353310

Years ago my father had a Hodaka 100cc engine in bits from a 100cc Indian 2 stroke reboot from the 70's
Everything was tiny.

[husaberg]

That is nice. Italian home market maybe. I'd thought that all the 350's badged HD went into the porky HD frame. I'd wonder if it's a 350 in a 250 frame.
Despite the GN250 ignition - which was one of my trademarks - I'm not the marque specialist who built the engine.

What suprised me most was it was 4 spreed were only the street harley framed ones from 72ish on 5 Speed?
353311
Was the ugly egg engine only used in the States?
Years ago i had access to a book that had all the models sold in the states from all the manufacturers from the early to the lates 60's.
The number of models produced from HD Aermacchi was mind-blowing.

[Grumph]

To the best of my knowledge the electric start models are all 5 speed. Never seen a road kickstart engine with 5 speeds - but it's possible.
Again the ashpan head versions I've only ever seen 4 speed. The yanks hated that head but there's nothing wrong with it from a performance view.
Don't think it's an ugly egg....

[husaberg]

To the best of my knowledge the electric start models are all 5 speed. Never seen a road kickstart engine with 5 speeds - but it's possible.
Again the ashpan head versions I've only ever seen 4 speed. The yanks hated that head but there's nothing wrong with it from a performance view.
Out of interest do the cylinder barrels swap between either of them?

i have had a look through i can only see 73 on with 5 speed so all "knuckle" headed electric start
The only reason I dont like the egg heads or as you say ashpan as they dont look like the real Ala D'oro.
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[Racing Dave]

Hodaka which was the next in line in Japanese trail bikes had the wonderfully named Combat Wombat. Now there's a cool name for down the pub to make you sound dangerous.

...and the street version was the Road Toad.

[Grumph]

Out of interest do the cylinder barrels swap between either of them?

i have had a look through i can only see 73 on with 5 speed so all "knuckle" headed electric start
The only reason I dont like the egg heads or as you say ashpan as they dont look like the real Ala D'oro.


Yeah, top end swaps are easy. Bike in my pic is 4 speed cases with 5 speed grafted in. Which is only possible due to carbide lathe tips. 4 speed layshaft bearings are smaller than 5 speed and you can't change them. Yanks haven't woken up to that so 4 speed cases - which are stronger - are unwanted thus cheap.
There's actually an oil sprayer inside the big lid on the ashpan heads. The large surface area of the lid acts as an oil cooler.

[Dak S83]

I'll have whatever drugs this guy is on, just cause you were an idiot and got ripped off and spent that much on it doesn't mean its worth it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4172951210?bof=Rggwrvsw

[F5 Dave]

Look I don't think it is fair to say he was ripped off. Resto takes a long time and if you ask a bike shop to do it all they have to charge every hour of research etc or they are losing money they could have otherwise earned.

But you would be mad to think you would get that money back.

Heck that would be a great heavy tourer. You'd struggle to ask much more than 15k I'd say compared to what else you could get.

So. Drugs. Yeah that's probably a fair slur.

[Drew]

The original t500 was the Cobra

Only ever known them as the Titan. That's what mine were anyway.

[F5 Dave]

Only ever known them as the Titan. That's what mine were anyway.

Refer comment 15459

[husaberg]

Only ever known them as the Titan. That's what mine were anyway.

First model was Cobra it had bigger carbs 34mm it was a higher performance probably a bit racier porting, but was a bit thirsty, also a faction less oil in the transmission they used to blow 5th as they didn't get enough oil. Different styling more like a T20 super 6.
https://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/IMG_2759.JPG

Reading the net now it seems that there was a model before the cobra called the T500/5. Thats a new one on me. I never heard of that?
The T500/Five, which was introduced in 1968.
Later ones were of course rebranded as GT500 also and styled like them.

Here is an original road test for the Cobra
i always thought the t500 had the longer swingarm not the Cobra?
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_t500%2068.htm

Edit thet T500 was made possible with decent pistons and the vibes were able to be keep down with the overlapping twisted transfers like the GT750 with was similar design same bore stroke etc.

[F5 Dave]

God that is gorgeous.

I knew someone who restored one but was sadly disappointed in the end result.
Well. . . .

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'll have whatever drugs this guy is on, just cause you were an idiot and got ripped off and spent that much on it doesn't mean its worth it.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/yamaha/listing/4172951210?bof=Rggwrvsw

Presumably it comes with that crappy Vee Dub for thirty five grand?

[Stylo]

God that is gorgeous.

I knew someone who restored one but was sadly disappointed in the end result.
Well. . . .

Only the seat lets it down ...

[husaberg]

https://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Suzuki-Ad.jpg

https://waimakclassiccars.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/5d39762be099f-1.jpg

https://waimakclassiccars.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1968a-752x1024-1.jpg

https://images2.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2008-03/26/7625004-30-1.jpg&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q4BCtBhZ83Y/YF0xTBaZ8oI/AAAAAAAA2dc/y8AuP5wc0nMv34hREdpPSL9OYtg-OoBLgCLcBGAsYHQ/w551-h732/t500-cycle.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QafWfCvFN3s/YF3YX5asRRI/AAAAAAAA2eI/2AEo_FJ9igoUp1iojQre3GZ3Eb0YoqlbgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h410/T-500-blog.jpg

[husaberg]

Thanks Husaberg,

I thought I knew more than I do. I was wrong.

Nice reply, my bad. Appreciate the pictures ...

i was only trying to figure out what was wrong:yes:
Like i said i knew of the Cobra but not the T500/5.
i once rode a Titan one with open carbs and open expansion chambers, The induction was far louder than the exhaust.
Nice bike to ride but the steering was a bit ponderous.
i heard of people putting t250 swingarms back in them for racing
plus i think longer ones back in t250 which is kind of odd...

[F5 Dave]

Heres one of my perennial favorites. The multi bike sale

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4185467027


At least I think hes selling them all as an auction. It's not very clear. But who wants or has space to buy 4 clapped out small cc trail bikes? Not everyone has a business yard to store things in for 15 years.

[F5 Dave]

Awesome patina apparently.

Yes, yes. It is covered in patina.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/4176457039

And some difficult bits are missing. Airbox, seat and Iconic high pipe. How much?

[husaberg]

Awesome patina apparently.

Yes, yes. It is covered in patina.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/4176457039

And some difficult bits are missing. Airbox, seat and Iconic high pipe. How much?

I was not familiar with that model/year styling but its pretty cool. Other than the seat.
Shame as A50s had decent lookin seats
353347353348353349

So did this model fizzie
353350

[F5 Dave]

What an abortion this is,
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4174810508

I mean, just, . .

[Grumph]

What an abortion this is,
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/honda/listing/4174810508

I mean, just, . .


That actually made me feel queasy.

Part it out. And the (sic) constructor.

[husaberg]

Thats bloody expensive....

[F5 Dave]

Lord help us all. Love the obvious question.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/4174746500

[neels]

Lord help us all. Love the obvious question.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/suzuki/listing/4174746500
Clearly has not been run since the exhaust was poked through the plastic side cover and the brand shiny new rear shocks were put on.

If you can't do it properly and aren't going to get it finished to a working condition, leave the bloody thing alone.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/kawasaki/listing/4186005911


I might have a punt at this. Depends what it goes for. I never owned one back in the day - I had GSX 750's and GPz750 then one of those 500cc Kawa twins.

[F5 Dave]

Clearly has not been run since the exhaust was poked through the plastic side cover and the brand shiny new rear shocks were put on.

If you can't do it properly and aren't going to get it finished to a working condition, leave the bloody thing alone.

"Is it supposed to look like a chopper?" Some wag asks. Then disturbingly now I think about it , apparently it is two sets of forks mungded together. If whoever did that didn't consider that they were too long did they consider how much overlap there should be? A spacer under the damper rods may fix both problems but I'd be pretty scared riding it considering the other 'engineering' that has gone on.

Yes the muffler exit is original. Its surprising you don't see that more often. . . No. . . Wait. . It isn't. No airbox on a dirtbike, that's always a hiding to nothing.

I did go look at one in the early 80s. Didn't buy it.

[pritch]

I was not familiar with that model/year styling but its pretty cool.


His market is pretty much restricted to technically competent guys who just happened to own one of these when they were sixteen.

[F5 Dave]

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/kawasaki/listing/4186005911


I might have a punt at this. Depends what it goes for. I never owned one back in the day - I had GSX 750's and GPz750 then one of those 500cc Kawa twins.

It might be worth a go, but you'd want to go see it before you truly understood what is missing and needs replacing.

Is that a Jap import in those colours perhaps? Check tank sticker. Restriction? Sad story no doubt.

Might be best condition starting point around these days.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It might be worth a go, but you'd want to go see it before you truly understood what is missing and needs replacing.

Is that a Jap import in those colours perhaps? Check tank sticker. Restriction? Sad story no doubt.

Might be best condition starting point around these days.

I hate yellow but I do like those "Go faster" stickers. For as hard as it would get ridden (not hard) the 16 inch tyres available would be OK. I remember the Cycle World spread on them when it was a new bike. I lusted after one then. But its got to be the Maverick colours .... Say I own it for $5k. Up from Qtown say another $500. I reckon you'd budget $5k (more if painting) to go thru it and get to a point you were happy - less if you were lucky and the bits in the boxes were good and fit the thing etc. stock Exhausts used to last three years. I said no more four cylinder four strokes because you have to buy fucking four of everything.

Heres a plan. You buy it and do all the work and I will take it for a hoon.