Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[Bonez]

Good Morning Ladies of the KB Knitting Circle. Now remember to shave your underarms and remove your facial hair before doing your nails today. Please try not to burst your colective bubbles today, You seem to be incapible of individual thought.

And remember girls it's been reported the if soime one rides a motorcycle on a regular basis they are happier than those who don't.

Just saying....

[TheDemonLord]

So with the GOP in power, how exactly did the Dems rig the election? Go on then.

That's ok, dont bother trying to bullshit your way out of that. You're still on ignore and I can only see when you are quoted and it makes me more stupid every time I read one of your posts. At some point I will get to your level and start 'doing my own research' on conspiracy sites.

Because each State has it's own constitution and gets to decide how they conduct an election.

So whilst Trump may have been the President and the GOP may have been in the senate, if the Dems were the State Governor....

[TheDemonLord]

Except that wasn't even anything close to what they actually did

That's a matter of opinion:

For example when they openly admit to lobbying for law changes (law changes which did not go through the proper process as per the individual states constitutions) - I consider that rigging.

When they talk about collusion between tech companies to 'prevent misinformation', I consider that Rigging.

There are numerous other claims in the article which to me are tantamount to rigging.

[pritch]

Now that the Superbowl is over, this weeks entertainment is to be provided by the US Senate. It won't mean anything to a couple of you but the defence is interesting. They are not defending Trump on the basis that he's not guilty. Nobody with all their marbles believes that. They claim the impeachment is unconstitutional which is nonsense, there is even precedent.

Both sides are using a scholarly article by Professor Brian Kalt as evidence in their cases, the professor says the Democrats are quoting the article correctly. The Republican lawyers are misquoting it.

[sugilite]

So with the GOP in power, how exactly did the Dems rig the election? Go on then.


Mate, that's easy, the those bloody commie dems installed a stooge in the postal system to slow the post down, ie mail in ballots and then did shit like removing electoral drop of boxes down to 1 per county to stymie voting - scum bags! Oh, what, that was the republicans doing that? Well the postal system is leaking money, so the Dejoy changes and associated slowdowns were needed and I'm sure reducing the ballot drop off points to one was just being very efficient - or something like that :whistle:

In other news, for all the many, many posters with Bonez on ignore, he posted that he has turned over a new leaf, but the dumbarse left his fingerprints all over it and now the cops are after him.:Police: Other than that, he is still the same whining prick he he has always been :laugh:

[F5 Dave]

Ahh! Stooges huh? That's an old caper.

In fact I think they were in Black and White. :wacko:

[pritch]

There are multiple reports that the Secretary of State for Georgia has commenced an inquiry into Trump's efforts to overturn the election result in that state. He's got good evidence, starting with that hour long "mob boss" phone call to the Governor.

[mashman]

So with the GOP in power, how exactly did the Dems rig the election? Go on then.

I asked the same thing, especially as Trump had loaded the bases in various offices to ensure that outcome. How could the opposite have happened, even after the Russia bullshit and impeachment had failed. Hmmmmmmm, yeah, it's a tricky one that... especially as there wasn't enough evidence for the majority of judges, not all, of voter fraud large enough to swing an election. How can some judges find that there is enough evidence, and yet most say no. I do wonder if you can answer the same question that no one else could.

I'll give you a hint, the answer starts with Corr and ends with uption. Whichever way you look at it, one lot of judges is bent. Lemme see now... yes, it's coming to me, lord, lord, yes lord make me a channel of your sandwich, "Someone cheated, coz they had judges in their pockets. Who won?".

[pritch]

[QUOTE=mashman;1131181460
I'll give you a hint, the answer starts with Corr and ends with uption. Whichever way you look at it, one lot of judges is bent. Lemme see now... yes, it's coming to me, lord, lord, yes lord make me a channel of your sandwich, "Someone cheated, coz they had judges in their pockets. Who won?".[/QUOTE]

The Republicans loaded the federal courts with hundreds of young right-thinking judges (245 actually) who were there to push the Republican agenda for a generation. Some were even rated "unqualified" to be a judge by the body that determines such things. Yet they were still appointed.

The Republicans stacked the Supreme Court in their favour by nefarious means too.

Yet Trump appointed judges found against Trump's "elite strike force" of lawyers at all levels and the Democrats won. There may well be corrupt judges but your theory makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Kickaha]

your theory makes absolutely no sense at all.

Not much that he says does

[TheDemonLord]

The Republicans stacked the Supreme Court in their favour by nefarious means too.

You make it sound like they ordered the Assassination of RBG and her ilk....

[pritch]

You make it sound like they ordered the Assassination of RBG and her ilk....

Only to somebody lacking comprehension skills. Oh wait...

[Bonez]

You make it sound like they ordered the Assassination of RBG and her ilk....He does that. Everything was above board lol.

RGB wanted to legalise sex with 12 year olds ffs.

Term limits should be imp[osed to spread the love.

[Bonez]

Only to somebody lacking comprehension skills. Oh wait...Looking in the mirror again pritch?

Instead of providing proof of your claims you always shoot the messenger like you have been doing for over four years. Quite pathetic really.

Actually it is something you KB Knitting Circle Ladies do on quite a regular basis.

Nice wee last minute edit there pumkin :lol:

[mashman]

The Republicans loaded the federal courts with hundreds of young right-thinking judges (245 actually)

The Republicans stacked the Supreme Court in their favour by nefarious means too.

Not disagreeing in the slightest. Yet with the dice loaded, he lost. Some of those he appointed turned against him. As you say:


Yet Trump appointed judges found against Trump's "elite strike force" of lawyers at all levels and the Democrats won.


There may well be corrupt judges but your theory makes absolutely no sense at all

In your own words you have described a "fortress" of legal safety. How do you beat such things. Fortunately there was a miraculous crumbling of the fortress of loyalists, especially after having watched the BS of Russia and the Impeachment etc... and still very much supporting him, and with the improving economy pre-covid, they all of a sudden changed their minds, and rhetoric, to collude against him and give their sworn enemies the keys to the nation.

That loss of loyalty makes no sense, because there was no reason to be disloyal. Such disloyalty is usually achieved by applying some form of pressure... but hey, you don't like the notion of a Deep State, so we'll leave it at, his loyalists just changed their minds when it counted.

[pritch]

after having watched the BS of Russia and the Impeachment etc...

The Russia thing wasn't BS. Read the Mueller report. Hundreds of contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russians. Muellers wording is very precise as to why Trump wasn't impeached for that, it's often misquoted but I'm not going to add to the list. Read it and learn.

[Bonez]

The Russia thing wasn't BS. Read the Mueller report. Hundreds of contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russians. Muellers wording is very precise as to why Trump wasn't impeached for that, it's often misquoted but I'm not going to add to the list. Read it and learn.Bumbling Bobs report was a complete joke with a lot of errors and omissions pritch. And I bet you never read but lust listened to Ritchard Madcows bed time stoties. Boy that was a boring month in US history.

[Bonez]

Can you'll please remind me of what the outcome of the impeachment trials were thank you?

Aren't we still waiting for Shifts "Evidence in plain sight". How long has it been now?

[Bonez]

Sweet dreams you KB Knitting Circle Ladies. Looking foward to todays posts on this topic.

Night night:heart::heart::heart::heart:

[SaferRides]

So, this Article has been doing the rounds on various commentary sources that I watch/listen to.

I've given it a read.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

One of the Trump supporter claims is that there was a determined effort by various aligned group (even if that alignment only stretches to 'We don't like Trump') to influence the Election result, using various underhanded means.

And this article pretty much comes out and confirms everything in that particular claim. The really interesting part is the brazen nature of the Article - pretty much a condescending 'We did this for your own good' type of 'Fuck You' to half the country, and a blatant exercise in institutional power to the other: "We can rig an election, win it, then say we rigged it and nothing is going to happen to us and there's nothing you can do about it'

I admire your dedication - it's not a 5-minute read! I'm not sure how you conclude that the election was "rigged" though, but I usually have that problem with your posts.

I read a similar, although shorter, article late last year. Trump signalled long ago that he would claim mass electoral fraud if he lost in 2020, and this was a response to prevent that from happening.

Meanwhile, I have no doubt that the Republicans will redouble their voter suppression measures for the next elections, having for once been taken on at their own game. The US desperately needs an independent body to run their elections, along with reform of the electoral college and senate. But none of those are likely anytime soon.

[Bonez]

Good morning KB Knitting Circle Landies. I hope you all have a wonderful day.

Remember now girls to play nice with the other children.

[mashman]

The Russia thing wasn't BS. Read the Mueller report. Hundreds of contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russians. Muellers wording is very precise as to why Trump wasn't impeached for that, it's often misquoted but I'm not going to add to the list. Read it and learn.

OMG, contact between people and countries with some of that contact being seen as potentially dodgy by an opposing government before an election. Impossible! Who would do such a thing. They say nice things about each other before elections etc... Alas though, not enough evidence to get what they wanted i.e. succeed in a slam dunk impeachment case. How do these things keep happening. Oh yeah, Trumps loyalists prevented impeachment from succeeding just so they could fuck with him come election time. Yeah, I'll go read a 400 page report that can be translated by whoever in whatever way (coz they did) just so that I can change my mind from "He probably was guilty of some things listed, but there wasn't enough evidence" to "He probably was guilty of some things listed, but there wasn't enough evidence".

[TheDemonLord]

I admire your dedication - it's not a 5-minute read! I'm not sure how you conclude that the election was "rigged" though, but I usually have that problem with your posts.

How else would you describe a deliberate and determined effort by various anti-Trump interest groups, if not Rigging?

At the very least it's interfering with the Election process.


I read a similar, although shorter, article late last year. Trump signalled long ago that he would claim mass electoral fraud if he lost in 2020, and this was a response to prevent that from happening.

Meanwhile, I have no doubt that the Republicans will redouble their voter suppression measures for the next elections, having for once been taken on at their own game. The US desperately needs an independent body to run their elections, along with reform of the electoral college and senate. But none of those are likely anytime soon.

Certainly there are areas for improvement - however in a traditional election cycle, that function is performed by functionaries of both the Democrat and Republicans overseeing the Election process end-to-end to ensure fairness.

I've seen the claim of Voter Suppression levelled at the Republicans numerous times - however each time it's based on some tangential claim, like 'Oh, requiring ID is trying to stop minority X from Voting' - however the Republican position is clear: They want only those who are eligible to vote, to cast a Vote.

[TheDemonLord]

Only to somebody lacking comprehension skills. Oh wait...

Okay then - what, exactly, was nefarious about appointing new Justices, after the previous incumbent died or stepped down?

They didn't 'Stack the Court' - they kept the same number of Justices.

Trump DID appoint originalist and Textualist justices - but this is also not nefarious or outside the realm of normal operation.

[pritch]

Okay then - what, exactly, was nefarious about appointing new Justices, after the previous incumbent died or stepped down?

They didn't 'Stack the Court' - they kept the same number of Justices.

Trump DID appoint originalist and Textualist justices - but this is also not nefarious or outside the realm of normal operation.

None of that is fact based. The people nominated were nominated by the Federalist Society based on their political views. Some had never set foot on a courtroom.

McConnell "stacked" the Supreme Court. There's more than one way to stack a court. He refused to put Obama's nominee to a vote on the spurious grounds that it would be inappropriate in an election year. Even though it was almost a year out from the election. So much for that. He replaced RBG only days before an election.

Apart from McConnell's stacking, the system just isn't working as intended. The majority of the judges on SCOTUS were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. So much for "the will of thae people". The system is in serious need of an overhaul and it just may get it.

[Bonez]

Okay then - what, exactly, was nefarious about appointing new Justices, after the previous incumbent died or stepped down?

They didn't 'Stack the Court' - they kept the same number of Justices.

Trump DID appoint originalist and Textualist justices - but this is also not nefarious or outside the realm of normal operation.I'm sure pritch just look at his copy of the Oxford dictionary to get big words out of lol.

[Bonez]

None of that is fact based. The people nominated were nominated by the Federalist Society based on their political views. Some had never set foot on a courtroom.

McConnell "stacked" the Supreme Court. There's more than one way to stack a court. He refused to put Obama's nominee to a vote on the spurious grounds that it would be inappropriate in an election year. Even though it was almost a year out from the election. So much for that. He replaced RBG only days before an election.

Apart from McConnell's stacking, the system just isn't working as intended. The majority of the judges on SCOTUS were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. So much for "the will of thae people". The system is in serious need of an overhaul and it just may get it.In cass you haven't notice pritch the USA is a Federlist nation with Federalist laws based on the US Constitution. Do some actual reading for a change.:killingme

[pritch]

Meanwhile, I have no doubt that the Republicans will redouble their voter suppression measures for the next elections,

Oh yes. That's all the go. The state politicians in Arizona have lost it completely. They requested the ballots and the voting machines from Maricopa County (the biggest) but the officials refused because that would be illegal. So the politicians moved to jail the Maricopa officials, that lost by a single vote. They have introduced a number of voter suppression moves but things there are crazy.

The situation is ongoing so there may be more news to come.

https://trofire.com/2021/02/08/arizona-republicans-threaten-to-arrest-each-other-over-ballot-recounts/

[mashman]

Oh yes. That's all the go. The state politicians in Arizona have lost it completely. They requested the ballots and the voting machines from Maricopa County (the biggest) but the officials refused because that would be illegal. So the politicians moved to jail the Maricopa officials, that lost by a single vote. They have introduced a number of voter suppression moves but things there are crazy.

The situation is ongoing so there may be more news to come.

https://trofire.com/2021/02/08/arizona-republicans-threaten-to-arrest-each-other-over-ballot-recounts/

Why not give them the machines and let them do their thing if there's nothing to hide. It'll end the craziness.

[TheDemonLord]

None of that is fact based. The people nominated were nominated by the Federalist Society based on their political views. Some had never set foot on a courtroom.

Not outside the bounds of what is normal when it comes to the Supreme Court or Justices.

Further to that, the Nominations were based more on their views on how the Constitution is to be read (Originalist and Textualist), not their Political views per se. Although it is fair to point out the Democrat nominations tend to favour a more "living Constitution" approach, whereas Republicans favour the latter.

And not stacking the court.


McConnell "stacked" the Supreme Court. There's more than one way to stack a court. He refused to put Obama's nominee to a vote on the spurious grounds that it would be inappropriate in an election year. Even though it was almost a year out from the election. So much for that. He replaced RBG only days before an election.

McConnell is a Hypocrite - but again - not outside the bounds of Normal Operation.

The Democrats thought they would easily beat Trump in 2016 so gave ground, thinking they could replace the Justice after Hillary's ascension.

And still not Stacking the court though.


Apart from McConnell's stacking, the system just isn't working as intended. The majority of the judges on SCOTUS were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. So much for "the will of thae people". The system is in serious need of an overhaul and it just may get it.

So, I agree there are aspects of the system that are flawed - So let's agree for the moment that All sides (Republican, Democrat, Libertarian) have issues with the current system: Case in point:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMljeJ3epY

However, despite broad agreement of problems with the Supreme Court, the manner and mechanism of nomination and the range of powers it weilds - there is one thing that is made conspicuous by it's absence:

Actual stacking of the court.

[pritch]

Why not give them the machines and let them do their thing if there's nothing to hide. It'll end the craziness.

Because that would be against the law. The recounts have been done, nobody sane still believes there is anything left to hide. It seems the Arizona crazy is out of control, it's not reasonable to expect some simple solution will fix it.

[mashman]

Because that would be against the law. The recounts have been done, nobody sane still believes there is anything left to hide. It seems the Arizona crazy is out of control, it's not reasonable to expect some simple solution will fix it.

Ironic that they can't have access to machines they need for their investigation. Nothing else is protected by law that cannot be made subject to the law were just cause is found, just the machines. Handing the machines over for investigation is a simply fix.

[pritch]

Ironic that they can't have access to machines they need for their investigation. Nothing else is protected by law that cannot be made subject to the law were just cause is found, just the machines. Handing the machines over for investigation is a simply fix.

They asked for the actual ballots and the machines. Neither are legally available - end of... Or should be.

[sugilite]

Watching the first 45 soconds of this video on the page linked below firmly lays to waste any of the words uttered by the likes of Demonlord and the like. DL makes no secret that he likes to argue, and his defend his position at all cost posts are, stuff of kb legend. But this video shows a man rarking the crowd up, giving clear instructions as to what he wants them to do. He says he will be right there beside them, but does not even have the courage to actually follow through. All this born of a ego so large he is unable to contemplate failure. He is and will always be a cowardly scum bag that at the very least deserves lengthy incarceration. DL, you can waffle on all you like about parts of this video being out of chronological order or what ever, it does not change the fact that all of that shit went down, and all your defend your and trumps position at all cost posts amount to less than the steam coming off a feshly laid cow pat on a crisp spring morning.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/124196256/watch-donald-trump-impeachment-trial-at-the-senate-begins-with-chilling-us-capitol-riot-video

[mashman]

They asked for the actual ballots and the machines. Neither are legally available - end of... Or should be.

Lots of things aren't legally available until they need to be investigated by legal authorities. Legal investigations tend to remove such legal "protections" and usually throw some form of obstruction charge into the mix when such reasonable requests are denied. Putting ballots and machines above the law is asking for elections to be rigged, because no one will be allowed to check it when ya do it. ALL votes should be publicly available, coz it removes all doubt, as well as all voting machinery be available for forensic audit afterwards. Keeping it all secret is proven to be the thing that causes the problems, to the point were entire elections can be stolen, in the eyes of some judges, and the law can do nothing about it. Bonkers.

[TheDemonLord]

Watching the first 45 soconds of this video on the page linked below firmly lays to waste any of the words uttered by the likes of Demonlord and the like. DL makes no secret that he likes to argue, and his defend his position at all cost posts are, stuff of kb legend. But this video shows a man rarking the crowd up, giving clear instructions as to what he wants them to do. He says he will be right there beside them, but does not even have the courage to actually follow through. All this born of a ego so large he is unable to contemplate failure. He is and will always be a cowardly scum bag that at the very least deserves lengthy incarceration. DL, you can waffle on all you like about parts of this video being out of chronological order or what ever, it does not change the fact that all of that shit went down, and all your defend your and trumps position at all cost posts amount to less than the steam coming off a feshly laid cow pat on a crisp spring morning.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/124196256/watch-donald-trump-impeachment-trial-at-the-senate-begins-with-chilling-us-capitol-riot-video

What an interesting choice of editing - you'll notice that the video very conveniently cuts to a shot from the Crowd, right at the moment that he says 'Peacefully'.

If the case against Trump was as iron-clad as proclaimed, why the need to deceptively edit it? Unless of course, what was actually said doesn't meet the threshold for incitement, in which case we might have to edit it and oh....

But as I've said before: If the threshold for what is needed to meet a charge of 'incitement' is met by Trump in that speech - then fair enough...

I will then expect every single Democrat who encouraged people to take part in the BLM Riots to also impeach and convict themselves for incitement. Followed by every Media commentator, CEO, Corporation etc. to also turn themselves in for Incitement.

But I digress - it's only wrong when the Republicans do it...




Also - Apparently I'm now a KB Legend.

Fuck Yeah!

[FJRider]

Also - Apparently I'm now a KB Legend.

Fuck Yeah!

If you've heard the saying ... legends never die. Don't believe it.

Legend Definition: A famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field.

Being legendary is not always good news. They usually actually believe their own bullshit.



Have a nice day ... ;)

[sugilite]

What an interesting choice of editing - you'll notice that the video very conveniently cuts to a shot from the Crowd, right at the moment that he says 'Peacefully'




Also - Apparently I'm now a KB Legend.

Fuck Yeah!

Predictably you cling on to one small aspect while ignoring the horrific facts in plain sight.
Saying the word 'peacefully' does not exonerate him in any way shape or form, he did not mean it any more than his I'll be right there beside you bullshit.

And yes, FJ summed up the other far more eloquently than I.

Now I'm off to bottle up some cow pat steam, as it really is worth more than your words in this instance.

[mashman]

Watching the first 45 soconds of this video on the page linked below firmly lays to waste any of the words uttered by the likes of Demonlord and the like. DL makes no secret that he likes to argue, and his defend his position at all cost posts are, stuff of kb legend. But this video shows a man rarking the crowd up, giving clear instructions as to what he wants them to do. He says he will be right there beside them, but does not even have the courage to actually follow through. All this born of a ego so large he is unable to contemplate failure. He is and will always be a cowardly scum bag that at the very least deserves lengthy incarceration. DL, you can waffle on all you like about parts of this video being out of chronological order or what ever, it does not change the fact that all of that shit went down, and all your defend your and trumps position at all cost posts amount to less than the steam coming off a feshly laid cow pat on a crisp spring morning.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/124196256/watch-donald-trump-impeachment-trial-at-the-senate-begins-with-chilling-us-capitol-riot-video

A man said some words that rarked up some people at the back of a crowd. The vast majority of that crowd were not incited to violence by the same words. Believing that the man incited those people is plain fucking stupid by any measure. Looks like your TDS has a new friend. Your TDLDS is a little darker though... oooooooo yeah.

[sugilite]

A man said some words that rarked up some people at the back of a crowd. The vast majority of that crowd were not incited to violence by the same words. Believing that the man incited those people is plain fucking stupid by any measure. Looks like your TDS has a new friend. Your TDLDS is a little darker though... oooooooo yeah.

So because not everyone in the crowd acted on Trumps words, nothing should be done?
And im the one with a condition?
You really are an odd ball huh.

[husaberg]

So because not everyone in the crowd acted on Trumps words, nothing should be done?
And im the one with a condition?
You really are an odd ball huh.

What he missed was the sole reason the man said the stuff that was fabricated for months on end was to incite the people.

[mashman]

So because not everyone in the crowd acted on Trumps words, nothing should be done?
And im the one with a condition?
You really are an odd ball huh.

So, 99.99% of republicans in the entire country didn't find his words inciting and instead focused on the bit were he was talking about being peaceful, yet Trump incited the violence of a tiny tiny proportion of those listening and I'm an oddball for adopting the position of captain obvious. Fucking brilliant!

[sugilite]

So, 99.99% of republicans in the entire country didn't find his words inciting and instead focused on the bit were he was talking about being peaceful, yet Trump incited the violence of a tiny tiny proportion of those listening and I'm an oddball for adopting the position of captain obvious. Fucking brilliant!
99.99 percent huh, got any references for those stats, or are facts just for people other than yourself?
If you want to get elected to an office any higher than "forum dickhead", you really need to work on your polly lies, as right now, they are left somewhat....wanting.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So, 99.99% of republicans in the entire country didn't find his words inciting and instead focused on the bit were he was talking about being peaceful, yet Trump incited the violence of a tiny tiny proportion of those listening and I'm an oddball for adopting the position of captain obvious. Fucking brilliant!

Awww come on. He wasnt trying to incite the 99.99% of goppers in the entire country. Think about context for just one second: he is stood in front of a crowd of frothing fucktards who have inhabited his bubble, listened to his lies, drunk his koolaid for more than four years. People who (to quote a famous example) had hired private planes to get to the capital to "stop the steal" that didnt and wasn't happening, who had driven cross country, who had brought a car full of fucking guns and ammo, who had used their military training to set up search and destroy squads. That's who he was fucking talking to, dolt. And that's all he needed to do - light the blue touch paper and (as is his wont, since Vietnam) stand well the fuck back. And when his insurrection failed (thankfully) stand even further back.

How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history, son?

[mashman]

lol@the green eyed monster of it all. Some names and accusations and self-admissions of facilitating such things by some guy James Clapper. Trump loyalists will say anything eh. (https://rumble.com/vdf4nn-james-clapper-interrogation-2.html)

[mashman]

99.99 percent huh, got any references for those stats, or are facts just for people other than yourself?
If you want to get elected to an office any higher than "forum dickhead", you really need to work on your polly lies, as right now, they are left somewhat....wanting.

If 1,000 republicans had have gone to the hill, it would have still been less than 99.99% of all republicans doing a naughty thing. Basic maths should have been more than enough for a clear thinking person.

:killingme... I don't want to get elected to office. What dickhead said that I did? Coz they are factually wrong (I know my own intent better than anyone), and apart from clearly not listening, are highly likely have the critical thinking capacity of the echo chamber that surrounds them and nothing else. You have an excuse though: medical exemption on account of your pretty fucking obvious syndromes.

[mashman]

Awww come on. He wasnt trying to incite the 99.99% of goppers in the entire country. Think about context for just one second: he is stood in front of a crowd of frothing fucktards who have inhabited his bubble, listened to his lies, drunk his koolaid for more than four years. People who (to quote a famous example) had hired private planes to get to the capital to "stop the steal" that didnt and wasn't happening, who had driven cross country, who had brought a car full of fucking guns and ammo, who had used their military training to set up search and destroy squads. That's who he was fucking talking to, dolt. And that's all he needed to do - light the blue touch paper and (as is his wont, since Vietnam) stand well the fuck back. And when his insurrection failed (thankfully) stand even further back.

How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history, son?

So Where were all these so called armed to the teeth private jet flying motherfuckas come game time? They were all standing there. All being incited, and yet... tumbleweed and hicks. There was no insurrection... just the fear porn of politicians who were never in any danger. Although I reckon FearPornAid must be nicer than KoolAid, coz all the lefties love that shit.

What side is the wrong side of history that I'm on Dad?

[HenryDorsetCase]

So Where were all these so called armed to the teeth private jet flying motherfuckas come game time? They were all standing there. All being incited, and yet... tumbleweed and hicks. There was no insurrection... just the fear porn of politicians who were never in any danger. Although I reckon FearPornAid must be nicer than KoolAid, coz all the lefties love that shit.

What side is the wrong side of history that I'm on Dad?

Jesus really? did you miss the part where an armed mob stormed the nation's capital? or does that not fit your narrative.

I dont know why the fuck I come to this thread and click shit from fucktards on my ignore list. I am going to give myself another gin and a stern talking to. I'm done with you, son. You're out of the Will.

[TheDemonLord]

Predictably you cling on to one small aspect while ignoring the horrific facts in plain sight.
Saying the word 'peacefully' does not exonerate him in any way shape or form, he did not mean it any more than his I'll be right there beside you bullshit.

"And your Honor, the Defence predictably cling on to one small aspect, that the accused's DNA did not match..."

I cling to it - because everything he said before that was Par for the course in US Political Rhetoric. I can post clips from Republicans and Democrats using equally fiery words.

And in the Sentence where he directed the crowd to an action (the most relevant bit for a charge of incitement), he gives a very clear and unambiguous qualifier. I'll keep clinging onto it because it happens to be the single most relevant sentence in the entire Speech.


And yes, FJ summed up the other far more eloquently than I.

Now I'm off to bottle up some cow pat steam, as it really is worth more than your words in this instance.

Famous or Infamous - To quote Captain Jack Sparrow:

"But you have heard of me"

As for the Cow Pat steam - My words are always free to whomever chooses to read them. Here's to your profitable Cow Poo business.

[TheDemonLord]

who had brought a car full of fucking guns and ammo, who had used their military training to set up search and destroy squads.

This is a very interesting line.

Because in an actual insurrection attempt in the US - this is what we would expect (from a heavily armed populace). There would be a pitched battle at key locations with large-scale gun fights and hundreds of thousands of rounds fired etc.

It's also the part that is curiously absent.

[mashman]

Jesus really? did you miss the part where an armed mob stormed the nation's capital? or does that not fit your narrative.

I dont know why the fuck I come to this thread and click shit from fucktards on my ignore list. I am going to give myself another gin and a stern talking to. I'm done with you, son. You're out of the Will.

I'm not blaming Trump for it, that's all... but by all means carry on adding other stuff to justify what you just know I must be thinking about something. Fucking tit.

Oh no. Hoisted by someone else's retard. Familiar story.

[pritch]

Lots of things aren't legally available until they need to be investigated by legal authorities. Legal investigations tend to remove such legal "protections" and usually throw some form of obstruction charge into the mix when such reasonable requests are denied. Putting ballots and machines above the law is asking for elections to be rigged, because no one will be allowed to check it when ya do it. ALL votes should be publicly available, coz it removes all doubt, as well as all voting machinery be available for forensic audit afterwards. Keeping it all secret is proven to be the thing that causes the problems, to the point were entire elections can be stolen, in the eyes of some judges, and the law can do nothing about it. Bonkers.

You are completely missing the point. They had the election. They had counts, they've had recounts. The machines were chacked and reported to be accurate. The people who insisted otherwise have been sacked, as in Lou Dodd's case, or are facing legal actions for Billions. The arseholes who want the ballots and the machines have no more right to them than you or I basically. They were going to jail their own officials. Bonkers is right.

This is too silly, I'm outa here.

[husaberg]

You are completely missing the point. They had the election. They had counts, they've had recounts. The machines were chacked and reported to be accurate. The people who insisted otherwise have been sacked, as in Lou Dodd's case, or are facing legal actions for Billions. The arseholes who want the ballots and the machines have no more right to them than you or I basically. They were going to jail their own officials. Bonkers is right.

This is too silly, I'm outa here.

It seems the trump supporters are still forever too ashamed to ever admit the emperor has no clothes.

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF-gNUdQxX4

[sugilite]

:killingme... I don't want to get elected to office. What dickhead said that I did? Coz they are factually wrong (I know my own intent better than anyone), and apart from clearly not listening, are highly likely have the critical thinking capacity of the echo chamber that surrounds them and nothing else. You have an excuse though: medical exemption on account of your pretty fucking obvious syndromes.

So you just ran for a participation trophy huh? Respect :rolleyes:

[sugilite]

"And your Honor, the Defence predictably cling on to one small aspect, that the accused's DNA did not match..."
"I want you to fight like hell, march down there and fight, peacefully." Yep, the duck dynasty mob sure took his one calming word in a speech littered with hundreds of other inflammatory words to heart. Gimmie a break, one word designed to protect his skin for what he knew was coming does not get him a jet out of jail free card, unless you are a trump lover that gives him a free pass because he triggers those commie lefties you hate so much :laugh:


I cling to it - because everything he said before that was Par for the course in US Political Rhetoric. I can post clips from Republicans and Democrats using equally fiery words.
You have piqued my interest, please post said videos, esp dem ones.


And in the Sentence where he directed the crowd to an action (the most relevant bit for a charge of incitement), he gives a very clear and unambiguous qualifier. I'll keep clinging onto.
Keep clinging and hold on tight, just know Trump loves you for it.



As for the Cow Pat steam - My words are always free to whomever chooses to read them. Here's to your profitable Cow Poo business.

It is a cow pat steam business, selling cow pats would just be silly :bleh:

Oh, so what do you think about Trumps "I'll be right there along side you" comments in the same speech, then no follow through?
Careful with your reply, there is a real minefield if you start talking about which words the crowd need to heed and which ones to ignore - when taken in context of your posts above :shifty:

[husaberg]

:killingme... I don't want to get elected to office. What dickhead said that I did? Coz they are factually wrong .
You did................oh dear.
https://www.beachfm.co.nz/podcast/episode/e1b65fcc/gordon-marshall-independant

[TheDemonLord]

"I want you to fight like hell, march down there and fight, peacefully." Yep, the duck dynasty mob sure took his one calming word in a speech littered with hundreds of other inflammatory words to heart. Gimmie a break, one word designed to protect his skin for what he knew was coming does not get him a jet out of jail free card, unless you are a trump lover that gives him a free pass because he triggers those commie lefties you hate so much :laugh:

Again - nothing outside the realm of typical Rhetorical speech in the US:

Democrats should 'fight like hell' (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/dan-pfeiffer-axe-files/index.html)

Tony Evers will 'fight like hell' (https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/amid-gop-opposition-tony-evers-says-hell-fight-like-hell-to-expand-medicaid/article_28fd85fd-a061-50d0-babf-0038b672211c.html)

Illinois Democrats vow to 'Fight like hell' (https://www.wbez.org/stories/fired-up-by-dnc-illinois-dems-vow-to-fight-like-hell-until-november/11fa001d-34ec-4bf2-84ce-bb659e32c660)

For every 'colourful' or fiery phrase that you can point to in the Speech, I am certain I will be able to find multiple instances of the Democrats and Republicans using similar terms and phrases.

However all that is Fluff because the actual line where he directs the crowd to do something, he unequivocally defines the manner in which the protest is intended.


You have piqued my interest, please post said videos, esp dem ones.

Let's start with Maxine Waters: Telling her supporters to "Form a crowd and push back on them" and to "Harrass them" (Republicans) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw) Now - Harassment is a crime, and so she's telling her supporters to commit a Crime.

For bonus points - that is exactly what did happen - people (not just republicans) were surrounded by angry Mobs in public and harassed by BLM protestors. Double ironic that the one person who didn't join in the 'act of solidarity'... Was a registered Democrat

Kamala Harris (context in this one is key - after the BLM Protests had killed more than 18 people, according to Wikipedia and $2.5 Billion according to Wikipedia):

So to everyone keeping up the fight, you are doing something. You are doing something great. (https://youtu.be/Gxb5pXMYkeM?t=225) - Again and I must stress - this speech was made AFTER multiple people had been killed in the riots, and she is telling them not only to keep up 'the fight' but they are doing something Great.

There's another one which, for the life of me, I can't find the source - I think it may be Nancy Pelosi or AOC where she is telling people that the protestors should be out 'Night after night' - again this is after multiple people have been killed, billions in property damage - and they are telling the people to keep going out.

In the last 2 - I want to expand a little bit: It's one thing to give a speech to a Crowd and then the Crowd go off and do something bad. It's another when the Crowd is already doing that bad thing and you go out and explicitly encourage them.

Not only that, but unlike Trump - in the statements where they are calling for people to keep fighting, to harass people, to be out night after night - there is no qualifying statement either in the sentence itself in the speeches, no demarcation that this is to be done 'Peacefully' or with just 'Your voices heard'

So I put it to you: If Trump is guilty of incitement, based on the standards the Democrats are setting forth - then there are multiple Democrats who have exceeded that threshold and should also be impeached.


Keep clinging and hold on tight, just know Trump loves you for it.

Well, I won't hold my breath waiting for a Cheque.

Something interesting to note whilst driving around NZ however - I've seen at least 5-6 houses in different parts of the country, proudly sporting US Flags, Trump campaign flags and MAGA signs. Take a guess at how many houses display regalia in support of Biden - I'll give you a clue, it's an even number, smaller than 2.



It is a cow pat steam business, selling cow pats would just be silly :bleh:

Oh, so what do you think about Trumps "I'll be right there along side you" comments in the same speech, then no follow through?
Careful with your reply, there is a real minefield if you start talking about which words the crowd need to heed and which ones to ignore - when taken in context of your posts above :shifty:

Short answer: I have no opinion on it, because it is not a call to an action, directed at the crowd.

[mashman]

You are completely missing the point. They had the election. They had counts, they've had recounts. The machines were chacked and reported to be accurate. The people who insisted otherwise have been sacked, as in Lou Dodd's case, or are facing legal actions for Billions. The arseholes who want the ballots and the machines have no more right to them than you or I basically. They were going to jail their own officials. Bonkers is right.

This is too silly, I'm outa here.

I reckon they have every right to jail the officials. They're keeping the thing alive instead of letting the machines prove them wrong. You just don;t get it. If there is nothing to hide and you are confident that there's nothing wrong with the machines... then give them the machines and FINALLY put it all to bed. Some people are beyond partisanship. You might wanna try it someday. It would restore the confidence in democracy also, which might just be at stake give that no one can check the machines to find out for sure. That is what is bonkers. FFS ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THE ELECTORAL ROLE, but nooooooooo, protect the machines and ballots :killingme... And I'm being silly.

I getcha pritch. No point flogging what you see as a dead horse to you. For others, they'd like to know for sure... as well as to see a line drawn under the whole fucking debacle. Anyhoo.

[mashman]

So you just ran for a participation trophy huh? Respect :rolleyes:

Bonus points for actually asking. Bravo. You're possibly the first to actually ask why. But then ya lose the bonus point for putting in the question mark, coz like HDC did with his "Jesus Really? fuck I need a gin" comment, you then went on and answered it without having actually received an answer. Such fucktardery, because you don't even know that you're doing it, does put a smile on my face though. Respect.

You will note that I didn't answer your question purposefully, coz you didn't really want an answer, right. Also note lack of question mark ;)

[pete376403]

I reckon they have every right to jail the officials. They're keeping the thing alive instead of letting the machines prove them wrong. You just don;t get it. If there is nothing to hide and you are confident that there's nothing wrong with the machines... then give them the machines and FINALLY put it all to bed. Some people are beyond partisanship. You might wanna try it someday. It would restore the confidence in democracy also, which might just be at stake give that no one can check the machines to find out for sure. That is what is bonkers. FFS ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THE ELECTORAL ROLE, but nooooooooo, protect the machines and ballots :killingme... And I'm being silly.

I getcha pritch. No point flogging what you see as a dead horse to you. For others, they'd like to know for sure... as well as to see a line drawn under the whole fucking debacle. Anyhoo.

In the election you stood in, can anyone ask to inspect the actual ballots / voting papers after a result has been declared? Genuine question.

[mashman]

In the election you stood in, can anyone ask to inspect the actual ballots / voting papers after a result has been declared? Genuine question.

It's not something I've actually looked into with regards to NZ. But I'd have no issue with it given that there's no name or addresses on the ballots... and to be honest neither would I have an issue with it if names and addresses were on the ballots. If these sorts of things are publicly available, then there's less likelihood of there being a challenge in a tight or questionable race.

[pritch]

In the election you stood in, can anyone ask to inspect the actual ballots / voting papers after a result has been declared? Genuine question.

I doubt that. Some people think because they go behind a cardboard box that their vote in the election is secret. It's not. Their misunderstanding indicates a serious lack of situational awareness.

The ballots must be kept long enough to allow checks in case of alleged or suspected illegal voting and any recounts. How long they keep them I don't know.

The Arizona state politicians who want the ballots are being ridiculous. It would be illegal to give them the ballots. It would also be crazy. They think Trump won, they wanted Trump to win, if they got their hands on the ballots he would win. Whether he did or not.



Afterthought:
A quick check reveals nothing about how long NZ ballots are kept. Ohio and Washington DC both keep ballots for federal elections in secure storage for 22 months.

[F5 Dave]

So you just ran for a participation trophy huh? Respect :rolleyes:
He was just trying to gauge just how unpopular he was. It was 'Really'.

Anyway stop quoting him. I get stupider every time I read his twaddle and I dont have that much overhead. No one does.

[pritch]

If you want to know more feel free to check.

Lauren Boebert was recently elected to Congress, she's a Trumpist gun activist who wants to wear her piece in the chamber. She owns a restaurant promoting wearing of guns, but not masks apparently. The tax people were into her for $20,000 in back taxes. By a remarkable coincidence she submitted a milaege claim related to her election campaign that totalled a bit over $20,000 enabling her to clear her tax debt.

Somebody with a gift for arithmetic calculated that the mileage required to be reimbursed $20,000 is equivalent to one and a half times the earth's circumference.
The Federal Election Commission is investigating.

Will Ms Boebert be permitted to cast her votes from a jail cell?

[Bonez]

If you want to know more feel free to check.

Lauren Boebert was recently elected to Congress, she's a Trumpist gun activist who wants to wear her piece in the chamber. She owns a restaurant promoting wearing of guns, but not masks apparently. The tax people were into her for $20,000 in back taxes. By a remarkable coincidence she submitted a milaege claim related to her election campaign that totalled a bit over $20,000 enabling her to clear her tax debt.

Somebody with a gift for arithmetic calculated that the mileage required to be reimbursed $20,000 is equivalent to one and a half times the earth's circumference.
The Federal Election Commission is investigating.

Will Ms Boebert be permitted to cast her votes from a jail cell?No body in New Zealand really cares pritch. Apartfrom you KB Knitting Circle Ladys that is of obviously.. It's just pure speculation on your part as has been the case for the last four plus years.


Looks like the Wardens and Adults a funally getting kiwibiker.co.nz back at last.


Just saying

[TheDemonLord]

If you want to know more feel free to check.

Lauren Boebert was recently elected to Congress, she's a Trumpist gun activist who wants to wear her piece in the chamber. She owns a restaurant promoting wearing of guns, but not masks apparently. The tax people were into her for $20,000 in back taxes. By a remarkable coincidence she submitted a milaege claim related to her election campaign that totalled a bit over $20,000 enabling her to clear her tax debt.

Somebody with a gift for arithmetic calculated that the mileage required to be reimbursed $20,000 is equivalent to one and a half times the earth's circumference.
The Federal Election Commission is investigating.

Will Ms Boebert be permitted to cast her votes from a jail cell?

60,000 Km in a country the size of the US for vehicle mileage - that's just over 5 return trips from the east coast to the west coast. Not entirely out of the realm of possible, but certainly implausible, and given the coincident, suspicious.

[sugilite]

Let's start with Maxine Waters: Telling her supporters to "Form a crowd and push back on them" and to "Harrass them" (Republicans) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw) Now - Harassment is a crime, and so she's telling her supporters to commit a Crime.

For bonus points - that is exactly what did happen - people (not just republicans) were surrounded by angry Mobs in public and harassed by BLM protestors. Double ironic that the one person who didn't join in the 'act of solidarity'... Was a registered Democrat

Kamala Harris (context in this one is key - after the BLM Protests had killed more than 18 people, according to Wikipedia and $2.5 Billion according to Wikipedia):

So to everyone keeping up the fight, you are doing something. You are doing something great. (https://youtu.be/Gxb5pXMYkeM?t=225) - Again and I must stress - this speech was made AFTER multiple people had been killed in the riots, and she is telling them not only to keep up 'the fight' but they are doing something Great.


Not only that, but unlike Trump - in the statements where they are calling for people to keep fighting, to harass people, to be out night after night - there is no qualifying statement either in the sentence itself in the speeches, no demarcation that this is to be done 'Peacefully' or with just 'Your voices heard'

So I put it to you: If Trump is guilty of incitement, based on the standards the Democrats are setting forth - then there are multiple Democrats who have exceeded that threshold and should also be impeached.

Yes, by all means impeach or charge them for breaking the law - just make sure they are in a jail cell right along Trump. But they won't, just like the republicans won't do the right thing in terms of Trump, because lets face it, only the little people face consequences in the US. By and large, the bigwigs never pay consequences unless they pissed off the wrong people.



Short answer: I have no opinion on it, because it is not a call to an action, directed at the crowd.
That does not surprise me one bit, bit hard to defend eh.

[mashman]

Oh noes... he didn't say the things he said in the context that he said them. T'was a bunch of bullshit, conspiracy even, to suck in the soundbite generation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfJaxhA4sP8

[pritch]

Yes, by all means impeach or charge them for breaking the law - just make sure they are in a jail cell right along Trump.

Nah.

Conventional wisdom seems to dictate:
If you’ve got the facts, you pound the facts.
If you’ve got the law, you pound the law.
If you’ve got nothing, you pound the table.

If all else fails, you try whataboutism.

And TDL's got nothing but whataboutism, which means he's got nuthin'.

[pritch]

On another matter, watching the Impeachment trial hearings was utterly depressing. Not least because there are uninformed fuckwits that will believe the tripe the defence were spouting.

It was immensely uplifting to hear the announcement that Officer Goodman is to receive the Congressional Gold Medal. The highest award Congress can give.
It's not just that he was couragious, he showed an ability to think under pressure and in so doing he saved lives. Just how well he performed was not generally known until we saw the security footage from inside the Capitol building.

Well done that man.

[Bonez]

On another matter, watching the Impeachment trial hearings was utterly depressing. Not least because there are uninformed fuckwits that will believe the tripe the defence were spouting.

That is ancient history pritch. If it is eating you soooo much I suggest you seek help and FAST.

[husaberg]

In one of the early days of the hearing, Trump's defense tried to assert that as trump was no longer president impeaching him was somehow unconstitutional.
He seems to miss that one of the reasons for the impeachment was to make sure he never was in a position of power again thus preventing him to again try and subvert the US constitution.

[pritch]

In one of the early days of the hearing, Trump's defense tried to assert that as trump was no longer president impeaching him was somehow unconstitutional.

They keep regurgitating that. Trump was impeached while still in office. He could have been tried while still in office but McConnell wouldn't allow that.. So the reason the trial is now was their choice.

The lawyer for Trump (yet another new one) tried that unconstitutional crap this afternoon. The top Dem shot that down by reminding him that they had a vote on that and the matter of whether or not this is constitutional has been resolved and it has no further bearing,

[PrincessBandit]

The acquittal, which was always a foregone conclusion, opens the floodgates for future dictators, self-styled kings etc. to try their luck at gaining, then indefinitely holding onto the top job in the USA through any means they like.
I watched the trial, listening to both sides present their cases, and there was no comparison between the competency of the sides. Trump's lawyers may as well have been wearing Krusty the Klown costumes; yet despite their horrifically abysmal representation of "Trump's side of the argument", they knew they never had to worry about how shoddy or laughable they looked - their client was always going to be let off the hook by his spineless lemming Republican senators.
Trump can now have the party he was planning (even though it's not a Presidential election one).
I wait with bated breath for how long it will take a swamp monster worse than him to roll him over and make all the moves, successfully, that Trump couldn't to gain everlasting POTUS power. It will come be assured of that. Trump was an idiot on many fronts; there will have been many others watching, learning, and refining what he couldn't achieve, all safe in the knowledge that as long as they have a rabid base of supporters prepared to unite in civil disobedience and carnage they can do whatever they like as they will not be held accountable.

[husaberg]

You have to enjoy the irony that they interpret "shall" as "must"...
Also that the reason he wasn't on trial whilst he was president was Mitch delayed it.........
The only saving grace was they said he was guilty of inciting it.
Mcdonnels spech was quite damning nevertheless

[Bonez]

You have to enjoy the irony that they interpret "shall" as "must"...
Also that the reason he wasn't on trial whilst he was president was Mitch delayed it.........
The only saving grace was they said he was guilty of inciting it.
Mcdonnels spech was quite damning neverthelessShall and must are interchangable big boy. Basicly yuou are ordering a person to do a certain task.

If you had been in a supervisopy role you would know this.

[R650R]

If you want to know more feel free to check.

Lauren Boebert was recently elected to Congress, she's a Trumpist gun activist who wants to wear her piece in the chamber. She owns a restaurant promoting wearing of guns, but not masks apparently. The tax people were into her for $20,000 in back taxes. By a remarkable coincidence she submitted a milaege claim related to her election campaign that totalled a bit over $20,000 enabling her to clear her tax debt.

Somebody with a gift for arithmetic calculated that the mileage required to be reimbursed $20,000 is equivalent to one and a half times the earth's circumference.
The Federal Election Commission is investigating.

Will Ms Boebert be permitted to cast her votes from a jail cell?

A quick google shows the claim is over a seven month period, which is a bit over 5000miles a month or 1300 miles a week ( based on 37000 miles)
A Democrat from New York claimed 39000 miles in theirs....
Someone at that level prob owns multiple vehicles and has support staff....

[R650R]

Oh we gonna do this, we gonna do that, we gonna nail him with ....,

Aqquited which is even better than not guilty, EPIC.....

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[PrincessBandit]

In my opinion the trial was just as importantly for the benefit of the American public. Court of public opinion is very powerful. Everyone knew, Dems included, that trumpy would once again sleaze his way out of accountability regardless of the evidence brought against him.
Bring on the criminal court cases and let’s see him slither out of those.

[F5 Dave]

Oh we gonna do this, we gonna do that, we gonna nail him with ....,

Aqquited which is even better than not guilty, EPIC.....

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Um, hello? What bit of they need the Republicans to vote do you not understand? All they have to do is be so spineless that they cant turn on their leader even though he is poisoned the party.

Well guess what? They were too scared that they would have nothing as they were the arse kissers left and used to taking it from him. That's why he didn't bother to show up.

[pete376403]

Maybe the "aquittal" such as it was, may turn out to be a good thing. If trump goes ahead with his maga party, that would split the vote between the maggots and the repubs, leaving a clear run for the dems in both houses

[Bonez]

Um, hello? What bit of they need the Republicans to vote do you not understand? All they have to do is be so spineless that they cant turn on their leader even though he is poisoned the party.

Well guess what? They were too scared that they would have nothing as they were the arse kissers left and used to taking it from him. That's why he didn't bother to show up.

Oh look the KB Knitting Circle Ladys are crying in their PC Tips again.

[F5 Dave]

No this means he still owns the Republicans. He doesn't need to split. So he will stay with the conventional money.

He could win in 2024. Because; Stupidity.

[Laava]

He doesn't need to split.
Remains to be seen if Melania has a bit more say in that...

[F5 Dave]

He'd just go get a new one. He cares for no one except his ego.

Butt fuk is he stupid.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, by all means impeach or charge them for breaking the law - just make sure they are in a jail cell right along Trump. But they won't, just like the republicans won't do the right thing in terms of Trump, because lets face it, only the little people face consequences in the US. By and large, the bigwigs never pay consequences unless they pissed off the wrong people.

Well, Hold up your horses there a moment Bud, there's a few hurdles that we have to address first...

Let's take the first instance: Maxine Waters

If you take a literal reading of what she said - she directed people to go and commit a crime - that is clear incitement.

Next, let's take Kamala Harris

Again, if you take a literal reading of what she said - she told people who were Rioting, to keep fighting, not quite as clear cut as Maxine, but still very clear incitement.

In order to Convict Trump, however, there is an extra hurdle that you have to jump that you don't for the previous 2: which is the very specific and definite qualifier of 'Peacefully and make your voices heard' - in order to 'prove' incitement, based on a literal interpretation of what was said, you need to find a way around that part.

If you do that, then literally every political speech, ever given, in history could be considered Incitement.

However, I want to circle back to this - because when the Republicans were in power, none of them charged Maxine Waters or Kamala - and the key question is why? The Answer is that to anyone who is a native English speaker, given the context of what was said, it is crystal clear that none of these statements were directing people to commit crime. They were calls for Political Protest - and whilst I hold no love for the causes championed by Maxine and Kamala - the right to protest is sacrosanct.

There is a very clearly understood context and a very clearly understood intent and an ascribing of good faith that allows Politicians to make passionate speeches about issues they care about, When Kamala says to keep up the fight, the objective listener knows that she is talking about the political fight and not the acts of violence.

And even though the right-wing pundits will deplore her for encouraging rioters and looters - they do not rise to the level of trying to convict her, because of the aforementioned conventions.

This was an absolute Farce, the damage the Democrats have done to the process of Impeachment has virtually guaranteed that it will never be the effective check-and-balance that it was intended to be in the future.


That does not surprise me one bit, bit hard to defend eh.

It's entirely irrelevant to the issue.

[TheDemonLord]

Nah.

Conventional wisdom seems to dictate:
If you’ve got the facts, you simply repeat 'Peacefully and make your voices heard'
If you’ve got the law, you pound the law.
If you’ve got nothing, you pound the table.

If you're the Democrats, you digitally manipulate the evidence, because you've got less than nothing

There, I've fixed it for you.

[TheDemonLord]

No this means he still owns the Republicans. He doesn't need to split. So he will stay with the conventional money.

He could win in 2024. Because; Stupidity.

It depends on whether or not he can sort out the Neo-conservative wing of the Republicans. Those are the ones that have interests that are contrary to the Trump-style agenda.

In many ways, it's a similar schism that occurred in the UK Conservative party over Brexit: The liberal conservative wing (the JRM types), who want the least amount of government to interfere the least amount in the citizen vs the international conservative wing who see increasing co-operation with the EU and other supra-national institutions as the way forward.

And I find your last comment, since you aren't a Trump fan, interesting:

If you truly believed that Joe Biden was the most statistically popular President of all time, why would you say "He could win in 2024"....

[TheDemonLord]

In my opinion the trial was just as importantly for the benefit of the American public. Court of public opinion is very powerful. Everyone knew, Dems included, that trumpy would once again sleaze his way out of accountability regardless of the evidence brought against him.
Bring on the criminal court cases and let’s see him slither out of those.

If that was the case, why would they (the Democrats) bring digitally altered 'evidence' to the table?

It's one thing, as you say, to hold a solemn Court hearing, with evidence brought against him and see that justice is not done.
It's another thing when the prosecution has to fake the evidence because their case is non-existent.

It was an absolutely stupid move on the part of the Democrats.

[sugilite]

Well, Hold up your horses there a moment Bud, there's a few hurdles that we have to address first...

Let's take the first instance: Maxine Waters

If you take a literal reading of what she said - she directed people to go and commit a crime - that is clear incitement.

Next, let's take Kamala Harris

Again, if you take a literal reading of what she said - she told people who were Rioting, to keep fighting, not quite as clear cut as Maxine, but still very clear incitement.

In order to Convict Trump, however, there is an extra hurdle that you have to jump that you don't for the previous 2: which is the very specific and definite qualifier of 'Peacefully and make your voices heard' - in order to 'prove' incitement, based on a literal interpretation of what was said, you need to find a way around that part.

If you do that, then literally every political speech, ever given, in history could be considered Incitement.

However, I want to circle back to this - because when the Republicans were in power, none of them charged Maxine Waters or Kamala - and the key question is why? The Answer is that to anyone who is a native English speaker, given the context of what was said, it is crystal clear that none of these statements were directing people to commit crime. They were calls for Political Protest - and whilst I hold no love for the causes championed by Maxine and Kamala - the right to protest is sacrosanct.

There is a very clearly understood context and a very clearly understood intent and an ascribing of good faith that allows Politicians to make passionate speeches about issues they care about, When Kamala says to keep up the fight, the objective listener knows that she is talking about the political fight and not the acts of violence.

And even though the right-wing pundits will deploy her for encouraging rioters and looters - they do not rise to the level of trying to convict her, because of the aforementioned conventions.

My God man, even when I try to agree with you, you still find a way to keep arguing - your a sick muthfucka (I'm serious, it is a illness). Hear me backing up a dump truck and tipping the tray full of excrement on your front lawn, don't worry it is peaceful shit, so no harm done. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and as Husa pointed it out had been planned by him for a long time. I have no doubts that the "alleged" reports he was gleeful at the results were true. I believe even you know that it was planned, you just looooove to argue and that is about it. Your response above is living proof.


This was an absolute Farce, the damage the Democrats have done to the process of Impeachment has virtually guaranteed that it will never be the effective check-and-balance that it was intended to be in the future.
It was a farce right from Clinton really, who gives a fuck what pollie blew his load where. Even McConnell said Trump was at fault, it was just he felt the procedure was unconstitutional - like he really gives a fuck about the constitution, just another wanker pollie.
What I believe (and will never have proof, so maybe do some actual work today DL) happened was, while it was all fresh in the repubs minds after the invasion, they will have told the dems "he has gone to far this time, if you impeach, we will vote the same". Then they lost their spines again when they calmed down. The dim witted dems fell for their sincerity, and pressed ahead. They had trump off the front page news at long last, then the fucking idiots went and put him back up their again.. they are morons of the lowest order. Pelosi has to go, she has a really nice rack for her age and all, but yeah, she has to go.



It's entirely irrelevant to the issue.
I never said it was related - though now I think about it, it was, it was aimed at getting his thickest supporting cast of idiots to go down and do his dirty work "Wow, Trump will be right there beside me, I will go and fight with him" lol. However, I asked you directly what you thought of it, leadership? Honesty? Why did he say it? BTW, If you bring up that bullshit "New Yorker bluster" diatribe again I will puke in my cornflakes and put you on ignore.

[TheDemonLord]

My God man, even when I try to agree with you, you still find a way to keep arguing - your a sick muthfucka (I'm serious, it is a illness).

The problem was where you agreed with me.

You couldn't and more importantly would not draw a distinction between:

1: Telling people to commit a crime (go out and harass)
2: Telling people to keep rioting
3: Telling people to peacefully protest

My Objection to this whole scenario has been about the application of Rules:

The Democrats seek the most vindictive and tightest interpretation of what is 'incitement' when it comes to Trump, but they are more than happy to do much much worse when it's from their own team.

And this is even accounting for own-group preference.

You never raised, to the point of considering it illegal, any of the rhetoric that I've posted previously from the likes of Illahn Omar, AOC etc. And nor have I.

My point is that you do not extend to Trump the same courtesy that you extend to others, whereas as much as I find the aforementioned detestable, I allow them the same courtesy I extend to everyone else. Political speech is just that, now sure - I think they should shut the fuck up, I think they shouldn't be allowed to be in office if they hate the country so much, I think that anyone who espouses Marxist ideas is a genuine danger.

but I don't think they should be locked up for saying it.


Hear me backing up a dump truck and tipping the tray full of excrement on your front lawn, don't worry it is peaceful shit, so no harm done. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and as Husa pointed it out had been planned by him for a long time. I have no doubts that the "alleged" reports he was gleeful at the results were true. I believe even you know that it was planned, you just looooove to argue and that is about it. Your response above is living proof.

Would you let me off the hook, on a mere allegation?

Was it planned? I don't think so - My position on this is very clear - if it was large numbers of heavily armed people (like we saw in Michigan) that stormed the Capital and engaged in determined Firefights - then sure, at that point - I'd accept it was planned. But that didn't happen. Nothing remotely like that happened.

And considering the US, the participants of the protest and their views on the 2nd Amendment - I'm not setting an unreasonable or unrealistic threshold.

So no, I genuinely do not believe it was Planned, either as an Insurrection attempt or as something more benign.



What I believe (and will never have proof, so maybe do some actual work today DL) happened was, while it was all fresh in the repubs minds after the invasion, they will have told the dems "he has gone to far this time, if you impeach, we will vote the same". Then they lost their spines again when they calmed down. The dim witted dems fell for their sincerity, and pressed ahead. They had trump off the front page news at long last, then the fucking idiots went and put him back up their again.. they are morons of the lowest order. Pelosi has to go, she has a really nice rack for her age and all, but yeah, she has to go.

My personal belief? And you'll note I've not attacked you for your conjecture:

The Democrats know that in a normal Election cycle, there is no way in hell they can beat Trump.

I suspect that is because they know (either directly or they have heard whispers) that their functionaries 'assisted' in certain states (that rushed through mail-in ballot law changes which, did not go via said States constitutional codes) and that they know in 4 years time, with normal 'in person' voting rules (if not sooner) Karma is going to pay them a visit, Everyone that voted for Trump will likely vote for him again - I suspect that not everyone that Voted for Joe will vote for him...

This fear leads to only one option: To try and block Trump from running for President again.

That is one of my reasons for stating that the actions of the Democrats are not consistent with a group that are confident in their victory and genuinely believe it was achieved by legitimate means.

If Joe is the most popular president of all time, then what have you got to Fear from Trump? Let him go to Florida, play golf and be magnanimous in victory.
If he's not, however, then the only option is to try all the legal wrangling to stop Trump from running again - and lo and behold...


I never said it was related - though now I think about it, it was, it was aimed at getting his thickest supporting cast of idiots to go down and do his dirty work "Wow, Trump will be right there beside me, I will go and fight with him" lol. However, I asked you directly what you thought of it, leadership? Honesty? Why did he say it? BTW, If you bring up that bullshit "New Yorker bluster" diatribe again I will puke in my cornflakes and put you on ignore.

You complain that Trump runs his mouth, all the time - and then when I point out he runs his mouth - we get grand gestures of the ignore button.

It's irrelevant to the question as to whether or not he incited the crowd and whether or not that action was an insurrection attempt.

[nerrrd]

If that was the case, why would they (the Democrats) bring digitally altered 'evidence' to the table?

It's one thing, as you say, to hold a solemn Court hearing, with evidence brought against him and see that justice is not done.
It's another thing when the prosecution has to fake the evidence because their case is non-existent.

It was an absolutely stupid move on the part of the Democrats.

I'm struggling to find any reference to 'faked' or 'digitally altered' evidence beyond the addition of a twitter icon on somebody's tweet, care to elaborate?

[TheDemonLord]

I'm struggling to find any reference to 'faked' or 'digitally altered' evidence beyond the addition of a twitter icon on somebody's tweet, care to elaborate?

So, you agree then, they digitally altered the evidence they submitted.

At that point, regardless of the impact that it may or may not have, I take an absolutist view: Once you doctor/fake/alter/manipulate/perjury evidence - you're done, end of.

[pritch]

I have no doubts that the "alleged" reports he was gleeful at the results were true.

The Trump crime family had a marquee set up nearby with TVs, so they and their sycophants could watch from a safe distance in comfort. There were YouTube clips of Jr and Kimberly talking about fighting while making sure they didn't get too close to the action. At least one clip shows Trump watching the TVs. Ivanka too was present.

The Impeachment trial was lost, but that 57-43 is historic in itself. That's apparently the biggest vote against a president in an impeachment trial. Impeachment is a political process, hopefully we will now move to a judicial process. God knows there is no shortaage of crimes Trump could be charged with. There is currently a petition to get all fifty state Attorneys General to press charges over his mishandling of the Covid crisis. You will recall that he lied, he knew it was dangerous, he knew it was easily transmissible. It's not that he did nothing, it's that he repeatedly lied while knowing the truth. That will be hard to defend because he's on tape right at the onset saying how dnagerous i was.

There is a theory that he has given himself a 'pocket pardon'. If charged with a federal offence he will pull his self pardon out and wave it around. Interesting, but that won't save him from state actions that might arise from the ongoing fraud investigations in New York or the electoral investigation in Georgia arising from the "find me 11.780 votes" phone call.

Michael Cohen served time in jail for offences he committed on the instructions of Trump who was referred to in court as "unindicted coconspirator number one."
If somone was waitng for a suitable time to indict the coconspirator, now's good.

[nerrrd]

So, you agree then, they digitally altered the evidence they submitted.

At that point, regardless of the impact that it may or may not have, I take an absolutist view: Once you doctor/fake/alter/manipulate/perjury evidence - you're done, end of.

No, actually I don't agree with anything you just said.

[sugilite]

You complain that Trump runs his mouth, all the time - and then when I point out he runs his mouth - we get grand gestures of the ignore button.

It's irrelevant to the question as to whether or not he incited the crowd and whether or not that action was an insurrection attempt.

Even toad face McConnell says he did it. Your words are pure horseshit mate. Keep clinging onto that one shrewd utterance of the word peaceful and avoid the rest. No more discussion from me on this on rubbish of yours.
You seem to have no problem with a man that runs his mouth sooooo much no one knows when he is serious - not worthy of running a country. But no probs for you Trump boy.
The reason you have so very, very much to say about everything else, but strangely doing everything to avoid commenting on what clearly sums up the mans character. Par of the course for a trumper.

[TheDemonLord]

No, actually I don't agree with anything you just said.

So, you're just fine with people forging evidence, used in a trial?

[nerrrd]

So, you're just fine with people forging evidence, used in a trial?

Again, I don't agree with anything you just said.

As someone who has worked in graphic design, I can understand why material sometimes has to be reconstructed to suit a particular layout or medium. So long as the content is reproduced accurately, I'm totally OK with it. As anyone else with a modicum of sense would be.

[pritch]

So, you agree then, they digitally altered the evidence they submitted.

I take an absolutist view: Once you doctor/fake/alter/manipulate/perjury evidence - you're done, end of.



I saw this because it was quoted.

Needless to say that's a completely ridiculous position. It is, however, entirely predictable. Even the completely unprincipled Republican senators who, against their sacred oath, voted to acquit Trump on spurious constitutional grounds didn't push that point. Trump's ambulance chasing lawyer may have mentioned it in passing though. Things were getting desperate.

[R650R]

Again, I don't agree with anything you just said.

As someone who has worked in graphic design, I can understand why material sometimes has to be reconstructed to suit a particular layout or medium. So long as the content is reproduced accurately, I'm totally OK with it. As anyone else with a modicum of sense would be.

And that is why you are not a lawyer...

Even in cruisey NZ, police lost a case awhile back related to some serious offence as they had resized an image to make a licence plate easier to see...
The judge threw out that bit of evidence destroying the case.
Digitally altering anything is same as physical for courts.

Respectable news publications won’t accept photoshopped images for factual news articles.
An AP photojournalist got sacked for editing out a boys shadow in soccer photo.

But oh yeah screwing white balance to make Trump orange is allowed lol

[R650R]

Um, hello? What bit of they need the Republicans to vote do you not understand? All they have to do is be so spineless that they cant turn on their leader even though he is poisoned the party.

Well guess what? They were too scared that they would have nothing as they were the arse kissers left and used to taking it from him. That's why he didn't bother to show up.

Evidently I understand it better than the democrats lol

Well guess what they were more interested in truth and justice than a sham Salem witch burning.

[TheDemonLord]

Again, I don't agree with anything you just said.

As someone who has worked in graphic design, I can understand why material sometimes has to be reconstructed to suit a particular layout or medium. So long as the content is reproduced accurately, I'm totally OK with it. As anyone else with a modicum of sense would be.

But it wasn't reproduced accurately, was it?

Information/Content was added that wasn't in the original.

And yes, the Verification check-mark IS part of the content.

[TheDemonLord]

I saw this because it was quoted.

Needless to say that's a completely ridiculous position. It is, however, entirely predictable. Even the completely unprincipled Republican senators who, against their scared oath, voted to acquit Trump on spurious constitutional grounds didn't push that point. Trump's ambulance chasing lawyer may have mentioned it in passing though. Things were getting desperate.

It's a completely principled position.

If you have a strong case, there's no need to forge evidence.
If you earnestly believe in the case, there's no need to forge evidence.
However, if you know your case is full of shit, then you might need to forge evidence and...

[nerrrd]

And that is why you are not a lawyer...

Agreed. Which is why all we should be caring about here is the content displayed on the site, not how it is displayed.

[TheDemonLord]

Agreed. Which is why all we should be caring about here is the content displayed on the site, not how it is displayed.

Firstly, the verification mark is part of the Content.

Secondly, if it's something that no one should care about, then why bother going through the effort of digitally adding it?

Clearly, someone cared enough to add the verification mark in, ergo we should care that it is there and we should care that someone made the conscious decision to forge the evidence.

[husaberg]

No, actually I don't agree with anything you just said.

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[mashman]

Again, I don't agree with anything you just said.

As someone who has worked in graphic design, I can understand why material sometimes has to be reconstructed to suit a particular layout or medium. So long as the content is reproduced accurately, I'm totally OK with it. As anyone else with a modicum of sense would be.

So you're ok with changing context to create a lie, to deprive someone of their liberty in this case, so long as that lie is created using original content? I thought they called that framing? ;)

[nerrrd]

So you're ok with changing context to create a lie, to deprive someone of their liberty in this case, so long as that lie is created using original content? I thought they called that framing? ;)

When the content from a web page is formatted completely differently depending on which device/operating system/application/theme etc etc it's being viewed on, does that make the screenshot from your device the only authentic version, and the rest a 'lie'?

I'm not exactly current on this stuff so maybe somehow in the meantime it's all become resolution independent, but in my day if you wanted to use a screenshot from a web page (especially if it's from your phone) on a large, high resolution display at any useful size it would turn into blurry, pixellated mush.

As was pointed out I'm not a lawyer, and I'm pretty sure the rules of evidence for websites are very long, detailed and would probably melt my brain, so I can't comment on the legalities here.

But there are certain practicalities with using web pages as source material that makes reformatting them a reasonable option - quite possibly the only option.

As I said before, so long as the content is reproduced accurately, I see no conspiracy to deceive here. Much more likely is the designer forgot to turn off one of the icon layers in their twitter template due to the pressures of the job.

[pete376403]

Who is watching the program on One at the moment?

[Laava]

Yep, he is still a fucking embarrassment for the USA and republicans in particular.

[TheDemonLord]

When the content from a web page is formatted completely differently depending on which device/operating system/application/theme etc etc it's being viewed on, does that make the screenshot from your device the only authentic version, and the rest a 'lie'?

I'm not exactly current on this stuff so maybe somehow in the meantime it's all become resolution independent, but in my day if you wanted to use a screenshot from a web page (especially if it's from your phone) on a large, high resolution display at any useful size it would turn into blurry, pixellated mush.

As was pointed out I'm not a lawyer, and I'm pretty sure the rules of evidence for websites are very long, detailed and would probably melt my brain, so I can't comment on the legalities here.

But there are certain practicalities with using web pages as source material that makes reformatting them a reasonable option - quite possibly the only option.

Since you aren't current with this stuff - I'll be generous: Different formatting or using compressed images isn't the problem here.

On any PC using any mainstream browser - a print screen is more than sufficient to capture the level of detail required in a tweet.


As I said before, so long as the content is reproduced accurately

a Verified Check-mark is part of the Content - it's the difference between someone tweeting out as Elon69MuskRules and his verified @elonmusk account.

Further to that, only people who are considered 'Notable' are eligible to get a Check Mark, therefore a tweet from an account that is verified has more legitimacy than one from an account without (this is happens to be rather relevant)

The reason for including the Tweet was to try and prove that 'Notable' people had planned the events - and so including a Tweet from an Unverified account could be dismissed as randoms on the Internet, but that same tweet coming from a Verified Account, now it's from a 'Notable' person.


I see no conspiracy to deceive here. Much more likely is the designer forgot to turn off one of the icon layers in their twitter template due to the pressures of the job.

And what do we call a Designer adding a layer to a template that wasn't in the original, Kids?

That's Right! It's

"Digital Manipulation!"

And given the above as to what the Blue Check Mark means, the ease and accuracy of using a regular screenshot (see Akilah Hughs v Carl Benjamin - where screenshotted tweets were used to devastating effect) - There is literally no reason to have a designer involved. Even lawyers can press 'ptr scr'....

Unless of course you were trying add weight to the evidence you were presenting by passing a Tweet off as coming from a Verified, and therefore 'Notable' account, then you might need a designer.

[husaberg]

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[pritch]

Who is watching the program on One at the moment?

Saw that advertised but having sat through hours of the impeachment hearings and trial I'm sorta full house on Trump for now. Watching cops running around shooting crap out of Miami instead.

[mashman]

When the content from a web page is formatted completely differently depending on which device/operating system/application/theme etc etc it's being viewed on, does that make the screenshot from your device the only authentic version, and the rest a 'lie'?

I'm not exactly current on this stuff so maybe somehow in the meantime it's all become resolution independent, but in my day if you wanted to use a screenshot from a web page (especially if it's from your phone) on a large, high resolution display at any useful size it would turn into blurry, pixellated mush.

As was pointed out I'm not a lawyer, and I'm pretty sure the rules of evidence for websites are very long, detailed and would probably melt my brain, so I can't comment on the legalities here.

But there are certain practicalities with using web pages as source material that makes reformatting them a reasonable option - quite possibly the only option.

As I said before, so long as the content is reproduced accurately, I see no conspiracy to deceive here. Much more likely is the designer forgot to turn off one of the icon layers in their twitter template due to the pressures of the job.

I understand the pain that 1px of difference brings and was not questioning the imagery (colour between Mac and PC was also a silly one, as was the never ending date time tomfuckery... oh the standards of it all lol). I can write the Twitter thing off as a genuine oversight/accident too, like, I dunno, expecting to turn up to a posh hotel and end up giving a conference outside a not hotel at all.

Trump was being tried on his words though, not how he looked. Culling the context was beyond childish and an exceptionally stupid thing for so called powerful people to even attempt to do... especially in such a fucked up partisan environment. But hey, the law requires there to be more than 1 version of the truth.

The conspiracy to deceive isn't a conspiracy. All the defense had to do was to leave the video running to prove that it was factually bullshit... they didn't have to change source to do that.

[nerrrd]

Since you aren't current with this stuff - I'll be generous: Different formatting or using compressed images isn't the problem here.

On any PC using any mainstream browser - a print screen is more than sufficient to capture the level of detail required in a tweet...

...Unless of course you were trying add weight to the evidence you were presenting by passing a Tweet off as coming from a Verified, and therefore 'Notable' account, then you might need a designer.

It was retweeted by the President apparently, so I guess he took note of it at any rate.


I understand the pain that 1px of difference brings and was not questioning the imagery (colour between Mac and PC was also a silly one, as was the never ending date time tomfuckery... oh the standards of it all lol). I can write the Twitter thing off as a genuine oversight/accident too, like, I dunno, expecting to turn up to a posh hotel and end up giving a conference outside a not hotel at all...

...The conspiracy to deceive isn't a conspiracy. All the defense had to do was to leave the video running to prove that it was factually bullshit... they didn't have to change source to do that.

Probably done on a Mac too, because Macs are 'wannabe cool', like Democrats. With Spielberg directing.

[pete376403]

And Clinton was impeached 23 years ago - how come these guys are still in the senate?

[TheDemonLord]

And Clinton was impeached 23 years ago - how come these guys are still in the senate?

Even though I disagree with the Clinton Impeachment, he did actually lie under oath.

[TheDemonLord]

It was retweeted by the President apparently, so I guess he took note of it at any rate.

Then the show Trump's twitter account re-tweeting it. That would at least be honest.

Again, no need for a designer or to manipulate the image: prt scr, job done.

[pritch]

Even though I disagree with the Clinton Impeachment, he did actually lie under oath.

Trump doesn't stop lying but since he declined to attend the impeachment trial he didn't actually lie under oath. Yet.

There's stil the New York tax and insurance fraud investigations, the Georgia electoral matter, and the small matter of "unindicted coconspirator number one".

The Florida officials should grow some balls and put a stop to his illegal residence at Mar A Lago. He says he can stay there because he's an employee; he greets members. Pay him a surprise visit and if he isn't living in the employee quarters chuck his shit out in the street.

[mashman]

Probably done on a Mac too, because Macs are 'wannabe cool', like Democrats. With Spielberg directing.

Heady days as the first computers rolled into homes and upgrade culture converting many of us into fanyboyz. Finally we were experts.

[pete376403]

From Facebook... "I know I have been critical of Trump, but it is only a couple things that bother me.
President Trump wasn’t that bad, other than when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans, separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy, tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church, tried to block all Muslims from entering the country, got impeached, got impeached again, had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history, pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden, fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, bragged about firing the FBI director on TV, took Vladimir Putin’s word over the US intelligence community, diverted military funding to build his wall, caused the longest government shutdown in US history, called Black Lives Matter a “symbol of hate,” lied nearly 30,000 times, banned transgender people from serving in the military, ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions, vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers, refused to release his tax returns, increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion, had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history, called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers, coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist, refused to concede the 2020 election, hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House, walked out of an interview with Lesley Stahl, called neo-Nazis “very fine people,” suggested that people should inject bleach into their bodies to fight COVID, abandoned our allies the Kurds to Turkey, pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans, incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic, withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords, withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China’s advances, insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter, pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op, failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies, called Haiti and African nations “shithole” countries, called the city of Baltimore the “worst in the nation,” claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase “Merry Christmas” even though it hadn’t gone anywhere, forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader, believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe, suggested the US should buy Greenland, colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges, repeatedly called the media “enemies of the people,” claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we’d have fewer cases, violated the emoluments clause, thought that Nambia was a country, told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public, called his exceedingly faithful vice president a “p---y” for following the Constitution, nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet, nominated a corrupt head of the EPA, nominated a corrupt head of HHS, nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department, nominated a corrupt head of the USDA, praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies, refused to allow the presidential transition to begin, insulted war hero John McCain – even after his death, spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president, falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote, called the Muslim mayor of London a “stone cold loser,” falsely claimed that he turned down being Time’s Man of the Year, considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions, mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID, locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones, used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the “China virus,” hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser, pardoned several of his shady associates, gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories, got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia(!), had a Secretary of State who called him a moron, forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history, botched the COVID vaccine rollout, tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him, charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties, constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate, claimed that COVID would “magically” disappear, called a U.S. Senator “Pocahontas,” used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka’s merchandise, opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling, got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers, claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US, ignored or didn’t even take part in daily intelligence briefings, blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining, redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle, got played by Kim Jung Un and his “love letters,” threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution, botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them, pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to “find” him votes, thought that the Virgin islands had a President, drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane, allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing, rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos, pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID, rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers, held blatant campaign rallies at the White House, tried to take away millions of Americans’ health insurance because the law was named for a Black man, refused to attend his successors’ inauguration, nominated the worst Education Secretary in history, threatened judges who didn’t do what he wanted, attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci, promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn’t), allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues, struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble, called an African-American Congresswoman “low IQ,” threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders, went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic, claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were “witch hunts,” seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution, demanded “total loyalty” from the FBI director, praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles, completely gutted the Voice of America, placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service, claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower, suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country, suggested that COVID wasn’t that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public, overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported, reduced the number of refugees the US accepts, insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames, gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address, named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who’d previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties, eliminated the White House office of pandemic response, used soldiers as campaign props, fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him, demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade, hired a shit ton of white nationalists, politicized the civil service, did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government, falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts, claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won, insulted reporters of color, insulted women reporters, insulted women reporters of color, suggested he was fine with China’s oppression of the Uighurs, attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him, summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election, spent countless hours every day watching Fox News, refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas, hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer, tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him, acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney, attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault, held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present, didn’t disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media, stopped holding press briefings for months at a time, “ordered” US companies to leave China even though he has no such power, led a political party that couldn’t even be bothered to draft a policy platform, claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers, tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course, suggested that the government nuke hurricanes, suggested that wind turbines cause cancer, said that he had a special aptitude for science, fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure, blurted out classified information to Russian officials, tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida, fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban, hired Stephen Miller, openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them, interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel, abandoned Iraqi refugees who’d helped the U.S. during the war, tried to get Russia back into the G7, held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden, seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive, lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated, falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren’t, shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies, still hasn’t come up with a healthcare plan, still hasn’t come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated “Infrastructure Weeks,” forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID, told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” fucked up the Census, withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic, did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule “President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings,” allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act, seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win, constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump, claimed Andrew Jackson could’ve stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened, said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake, claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him, claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President, created a commission to whitewash American history, retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain, claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn’t have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there, hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims, had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others, bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties, apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House, stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians, falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police, said that the head of the CDC didn’t know what he was talking about, tried to rescind protection from DREAMers, gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic, tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax, said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn’t count blue states, deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented, claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln, touted a “super-duper” secret “hydrosonic” missile which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all, retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile, forced through security clearances for his family, suggested that police officers should rough up suspects, suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs, tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender, suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher, nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy, retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called “Fuck tha Police” at a campaign event, hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags, accused Democrats of “treason” for not applauding his State of the Union address, claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were “spending too much time” on Russia, mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasey Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, obsessed over low-flow toilets, ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren’t any to release, called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek), hijacked Washington’s July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech, took advice from the MyPillow guy, claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists, said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure, never seemed to heed the advice of his wife’s “Be Best” campaign, falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent, announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest, insulted the leader of Canada, insulted the leader of France, insulted the leader of Britain, insulted the leader of Germany, insulted the leader of Sweden (Sweden!!), falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues, blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually, continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders, said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their “Sony televisions” if the US were ever attacked, left a NATO summit early in a huff, stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that, called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise, and a whole bunch of other things I can’t remember at the moment.
But other than that. . .”

[husaberg]

Trump doesn't stop lying but since he declined to attend the impeachment trial he didn't actually lie under oath. Yet.

There's stil the New York tax and insurance fraud investigations, the Georgia electoral matter, and the small matter of "unindicted coconspirator number one".

The Florida officials should grow some balls and put a stop to his illegal residence at Mar A Lago. He says he can stay there because he's an employee; he greets members. Pay him a surprise visit and if he isn't living in the employee quarters chuck his shit out in the street.

I see TDL missed that Clinton was not found guilty of Perjury by the senate.

[TheDemonLord]

From Facebook... "I know I have been critical of Trump, but it is only a couple things that bother me.
President Trump wasn’t that bad, other than when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans, separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy, tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church, tried to block all Muslims from entering the country, got impeached, got impeached again, had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history,

That is quite the wall of Text, even by my standards.

However the Policy of Separating Children - that was enacted under Obama.
Blocking all Muslims? No, just citizens from certain countries.
Worst Jobs record? No, prior to Covid he had the best unemployment figures since the post-war Boom.

I mean, I could point out the Half-truths, outright lies, fabrications, deceptive editing, differing point of view on just about every single point (and believe me when I say this - I'm rather tempted) but within the first few lines we've got such issues that I think I've proved my point.

[TheDemonLord]

I see TDL missed that Clinton was not found guilty of Perjury by the senate.

But he was held in contempt of Court for lying, under oath, in the Jones V Clinton case.

I said nothing of his Impeachment (except that I disagreed with it) - only that he objectively did do the thing he was accused of - namely lying under Oath.

[Bonez]

Hmmmm.

It has been reported that the CapiTol Police requested National Guard assistance before the roits happened. Palosi and her sargent in Arms denied the request. An hour later after the riots had started the Capitol police made another request for National Guard assistance. it was then approved.

Why an hour delay until the riots were well under way did Palosi act? I'm less injuries would have occure if she and her Sargent at Arms approved the first request.

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nob6QDVutk

[pritch]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/nyregion/trump-investigation-manhattan.html

[Kickaha]

Hmmmm.

It has been reported that the CapiTol Police requested National Guard assistance before the roits happened. Palosi and her sargent in Arms denied the request. An hour later after the riots had started the Capitol police made another request for National Guard assistance. it was then approved.

Why an hour delay until the riots were well under way did Palosi act? I'm less injuries would have occure if she and her Sargent at Arms approved the first request.

The only thing wrong with that is that Pelosi is not in charge of the Capitol police so it isn't her call

Capitol police had a also turned down help offered from the FBI prior to the event

[1/32 man]

Did Boner get his knitting needles crossed up again?

[Laava]

Did Boner get his knitting needles crossed up again?
Outta control!

[pritch]

A little Trump history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioEdeghaD78


A glimpse of Trump's future:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCC3De4OJmA

[TheDemonLord]

I totally missed this post:


Even toad face McConnell says he did it. Your words are pure horseshit mate. Keep clinging onto that one shrewd utterance of the word peaceful and avoid the rest. No more discussion from me on this on rubbish of yours.

McConnell says he did it? Well, why didn't the Democrats submit that at the Impeachment trial and case closed!

Again - I'll cling to it, because it's the single line in the speech where he directs the crowd to an action. It's also clear and unambiguous.

I mean, why would someone cling to the objective evidence.....

Probably the same reason that the Democrats had to Fabricate their 'Evidence'...


You seem to have no problem with a man that runs his mouth sooooo much no one knows when he is serious - not worthy of running a country. But no probs for you Trump boy.

Anyone, with a natural understanding of the English language and an understanding of Contexts knows exactly when he's serious. Anyone who is familiar with American, and particularly New York, Mannerisms and linguistic habits can successfully parse the remaining 5% to derive the meaning.

Those who have axes to grind and ulterior motives on the other hand are quite happy to play fast and loose with editing, context removal etc.


The reason you have so very, very much to say about everything else, but strangely doing everything to avoid commenting on what clearly sums up the mans character. Par of the course for a trumper.

It's a Red Herring, which is why I'm ignoring it.

[pritch]

McConnell says he did it? Well, why didn't the Democrats submit that at the Impeachment trial and case closed!




Because McConnell stood up in the Senate and read it into the record after the Impeachment trial concluded. That was a major news item, you need to start taking an intelligent interest.
Or stop arguing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj5pvgXAgMs

[Bonez]

Because McConnell stood up in the Senate and read it into the record after the Impeachment trial concluded. That was a major news item, you need to start taking an intelligent interest.
Or stop arguing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj5pvgXAgMs
And prey tell what was the outcome of that impeachmemt trail pritch? I know you will read this. You can't help yourself..

[TheDemonLord]

Because McConnell stood up in the Senate and read it into the record after the Impeachment trial concluded. That was a major news item, you need to start taking an intelligent interest.
Or stop arguing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj5pvgXAgMs

two words:

Hear Say.

[1/32 man]

trump... the man who has people to explain what he really meant after he says something in public.

[TheDemonLord]

trump... the man who has people to explain what he really meant after he says something in public.

So, a Politician then?

[sugilite]

I totally missed this post:
That is because I have been put in the naughty corner for abuse, I think it was because of a post in reply to one of yours :lol:
I know I get fiesty, esp when people use wordplay to avoid what is clearlry going on, now who could that be referencing lol and I maybe guilty of that from time to time myself :laugh:




McConnell says he did it? Well, why didn't the Democrats submit that at the Impeachment trial and case closed!
As Pritch said, the crafty repub said it right after the "trial". Had it been a dimwitted dem, they would of pulled out a 6 shooter and pumped all 6 rounds straight into their own foot while screaming take that mofo :bleh:
I despise McConnell, but in this case with all his vast network of internal knowledge, as in there aint nothing going on in Washington he does not know about - I'll take his opinion on Trumps culpability over some IT Auckland guy with way to much time on his hands and a penchant for arguing.


Again - I'll cling to it, because it's the single line in the speech where he directs the crowd to an action. It's also clear and unambiguous.
Apparently the Duck Dynasty mob could not surgically extract that one small morsel of goodness from the rest of Trumps "Booo hooo, wahh, wahhh, wahhhh, they stole the election from me and I want you idiots to go stop the process for me" speech :msn-wink:



I mean, why would someone cling to the objective evidence.....

Probably the same reason that the Democrats had to Fabricate their 'Evidence'...
Ok, Since I've been placed in the naughty corner, I've not actually paid a lot of attention to this, but from what I skim read, some sort of "this is a legit" tweet logo or somthingarather got put on a tweet post production?
So this "trial" was for senators right? Have you seen senators asking big tech CEO's questions about tech? They are amazingly ignorant and the majority clearly do not have a clue, and are not enthusiastic about their jobs enough to learn about IT shit to become informed enough to ask pertinent educated questions. How may senators would of even noticed whether said logo was there or not? I'm guessing if you held up one hand, with one finger raised, you can guess which finger - would still be one finger to many! Clearly some over zealous dem IT freak put it there in a gross overestimate of senators give a fuckability. :facepalm:




Anyone, with a natural understanding of the English language
Stop right there, you know this is America we are talking about right?




It's a Red Herring, which is why I'm ignoring it.
Oh, no, no, no Mr Demonlord, you are incapable of ignoring anything, every point must be argued for the win, even if it means producing a wall of text to fall upon the other poor poster, crushing any will to reply - I think to your mind this translates into a technical knockout lol
No, what we have here I feel is a Trump sentence/action or lack thereof that is completely indefensible even for you - red herring indeed :laugh: :bleh:

[pritch]

two words:

Hear Say.

Obviously you have no idea what 'hear say' is. Although that hardly comes as a surprise.

That is the guy who led the vote to acquit Trump admitting Trump was as guilty as sin. He was acquited on a technicality - which may or may not exist. There is no sane argument to support your view, but that won't stop you trying.

[TheDemonLord]

Obviously you have no idea what 'hear say' is. Although that hardly comes as a surprise.

That is the guy who led the vote to acquit Trump admitting Trump was as guilty as sin. He was acquited on a technicality - which may or may not exist. There is no sane argument to support your view, but that won't stop you trying.

Person Y: "Person X Said something to me". Or in this case McConnell saying that Trump admitted to him it was planned = Hear Say.

He was acquitted cause it was blatantly clear that the charge was bogus.

And the fact the Democrats had to fabricate evidence is all the objective proof you need of this.

[pritch]

Person Y: "Person X Said something to me". Or in this case McConnell saying that Trump admitted to him it was planned = Hear Say.

He was acquitted cause it was blatantly clear that the charge was bogus.

And the fact the Democrats had to fabricate evidence is all the objective proof you need of this.



Seriously. There is no part of that connects with reality.

I've listened to lawyers discussing 'hear say', their deifiition is different to yours. McConnell quoting Trump is not hear say. Someone else quoting McConnell saying what Trump had said would be.

He was voted guilty 57-43. Apparently the charge wasn't bogus to the majority of Senators.

You might find support for your view that evidence was fabricated on some of the weirder corners of the 'Net. Otherwise you're clutching at a very small straw.

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously. There is no part of that connects with reality.

I've listened to lawyers discussing 'hear say', their deifiition is different to yours. McConnell quoting Trump is not hear say. Someone else quoting McConnell saying what Trump had said would be.

Really?


"Hearsay is a statement, other than one made by the declarant while testifying at the trial or hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted."

(Federal Rule of Evidence 801(d)(2)(a))

Oof.

In case you are wondering, McConnell would be the Declerant, and since Trump is not McConnell, that would make anything Trump says to be a Statement not made by the Declerant.

And since the statement is to prove whether or not the 'insurrection' was planned....

Perhaps you need to listen harder to your lawyers?


He was voted guilty 57-43. Apparently the charge wasn't bogus to the majority of Senators.

So, in the context of an Impeachment, that's not Guilty.


You might find support for your view that evidence was fabricated on some of the weirder corners of the 'Net. Otherwise you're clutching at a very small straw.

There are 2 bits of evidence that were manipulated.

1: The video of Trump's speech where it was deliberately cut before the part where he says 'Peacefully and make your voices heard' - Now, this is deceptive and scummy but it's not outright fabrication (but it does just go to show how piss weak the case was)

2: Digitally altering Tweets - this is where I take an absolutist approach - Once someone has been found to be doctoring evidence - they're done. End of.

[husaberg]

Seriously. There is no part of that connects with reality.

I've listened to lawyers discussing 'hear say', their deifiition is different to yours. McConnell quoting Trump is not hear say. Someone else quoting McConnell saying what Trump had said would be.

He was voted guilty 57-43. Apparently the charge wasn't bogus to the majority of Senators.

You might find support for your view that evidence was fabricated on some of the weirder corners of the 'Net. Otherwise you're clutching at a very small straw.
That gish galloping horse should be captive bolted..........
What he misses is Mitch was not making a statement as a person it was in the judgment of an impeachment proceeding.

[F5 Dave]

Its why I unsubscribed to this thread. There are such weak arguments from the trump stable it is pointless dribble.

[husaberg]

Its why I unsubscribed to this thread. There are such weak arguments from the trump stable it is pointless dribble.

The neighs have it

[TheDemonLord]

Its why I unsubscribed to this thread. There are such weak arguments from the trump stable it is pointless dribble.

Except for, y'know, 2 Acquittals, so clearly the arguments were stronger than the arguments against.

[pete376403]

More worries for trump https://www.ft.com/content/010958df-e693-423c-bbef-47341fc1f2b9

[pete376403]

Except for, y'know, 2 Acquittals, so clearly the arguments were stronger than the arguments against.

You write 'aquittals" as though these were fair trials before an impartial jury. Naked self interest was the juries over-riding consideration, rather than any desire to see justice done. But, them's the rules.

[TheDemonLord]

You write 'aquittals" as though these were fair trials before an impartial jury. Naked self interest was the juries over-riding consideration, rather than any desire to see justice done. But, them's the rules.

I completely agree, the Democrats were entirely biased.

[Viking01]

I completely agree, the Democrats were entirely biased.

And the Republicans ? ... 8-)

[pritch]

McConnell says he did it? Well, why didn't the Democrats submit that at the Impeachment trial and case closed!



You posted that. I answered your question. You started throwing out red herrings.

Forget hear say. That's bullshit.

Bogus charges? The majority of the Senate found him guilty. The others voted to acquit on the basis of a technicality. The technicality was what was bogus.

If all else fails allege doctored evidence. More bollocks.



Have you considered how are you going to adjust to reality when Trump is found guilty of one or other of his multiple crimes?

Be it one of the multiple fraud investigations conducted by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York (Manhattan). Or the investigations by the New York Attorney General. There is no pardon option for the latter.

His electoral law violations, either as "unindicted co conspirator number 1" paying off a porn star and a Playboy bunny for their silence during the election. Remember Cohen was jailed for his part in that effort and he was only complying with Trump's instructions. Then there's the hour long Georgia phone call we've all heard.

His part in the deliberate sabotage of the US Postal Service.

There's also the multiple underage sex allegations. Ghislaine Maxell doesn't have Trump or Barr to protect her now, she's probably singing like a canary.

There's his lying about a pandemic, which he knew to be deadly. Half a million dead and counting.

Finally (although probably not) there's the events of January 6. The investigation into that hasn't started yet, next time it won't be a poitical exercise, it will be in a court of law.



Then there's the Dominion voting machine company. The going rate is 1.3 Billion dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjEieXFYgs

[TheDemonLord]

You posted that. I answered your question. You started throwing out red herrings.

Forget hear say. That's bullshit.

Forget hear-say? Oh, I'm sorry - now that I've posted the correct definition, from the federal rules document you want to drop it and move on?

Poor Form. But I'll oblige, I'm charitable like that.


Bogus charges? The majority of the Senate found him guilty. The others voted to acquit on the basis of a technicality. The technicality was what was bogus.

And yet, an Impeachment requires a SuperMajority. So, unless you can produce me a SuperMajority, then no, he was not found Guilty. As I alluded to previously - the Voting was entirely Partisan, with the Republicans who crossed the floor being the spineless Neo-conservative types that were in direct ideological opposition to Trump and his brand of Conservatism.


If all else fails allege doctored evidence. More bollocks.

They literally photoshopped the evidence they submitted. I'm sorry, but this is simply a line you do not cross. Ever.

Anything after that point, as far as I am concerned is Null and void. That your hatred of Trump is able to override the doctoring of Evidence (no matter how 'small' or 'inconsequential' you may think it is) concerning.

Especially given that was no need to doctor it - simply prt scr.


Have you considered how are you going to adjust to reality when Trump is found guilty of one or other of his multiple crimes?

Be it one of the multiple fraud investigations conducted by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York (Manhattan). Or the investigations by the New York Attorney General. There is no pardon option for the latter.

His electoral law violations, either as "unindicted co conspirator number 1" paying off a porn star and a Playboy bunny for their silence during the election. Remember Cohen was jailed for his part in that effort and he was only complying with Trump's instructions. Then there's the hour long Georgia phone call we've all heard.

His part in the deliberate sabotage of the US Postal Service.

There's also the multiple underage sex allegations. Ghislaine Maxell doesn't have Trump or Barr to protect her now, she's probably singing like a canary.

There's his lying about a pandemic, which he knew to be deadly. Half a million dead and counting.

Finally (although probably not) there's the events of January 6. The investigation into that hasn't started yet, next time it won't be a poitical exercise, it will be in a court of law.

Then there's the Dominion voting machine company...

I could address each of these individually and point out where the actual facts vs the alleged 'facts' do not line up, but it'd simply be repeating:

"Here's what Trump actually said/did" vs "Here's the selectively edited version published by the Media to make Trump look bad".

I'm going to paraphrase one of my preferred sources on this - who is as much a Trump fan as I am, which sums up my opinion:


Given he's probably the most investigated President ever and the obsessive vindictive digging for dirt by the Left ever since he won the Election and his multiple years in Big Business - I'd have expected at least something criminal to show up, and yet there has been nothing that has resulted in any successful proceedings against him.

[sugilite]

They literally photoshopped the evidence they submitted. I'm sorry, but this is simply a line you do not cross. Ever.

Anything after that point, as far as I am concerned is Null and void.

Unless if course it is Trump doing it - then your "free pass for trump' kicks like a mule

https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/YLP4OFGQYUI6TJRABKIWK3L5WY.jpg

[pritch]

A few days ago a monument to Trump's success as a businessman was demolished. The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City NJ. Who else bankpupts a casino?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007609635/atlantic-city-trump-tower-demolition.html

[1/32 man]

Supreme court goes against trump and allows access to his tax records.......could be interesting.

Trumps hotel in Washington has doubled the room rate for March 4....why? are they expecting a bigly influx of people wanting to stay there.
Usual current rate of occupancy is about 1 out of five rooms....ah feels for him.

[pritch]

Supreme court goes against trump and allows access to his tax records.......could be interesting.

Trumps hotel in Washington has doubled the room rate for March 4....why? are they expecting a bigly influx of people wanting to stay there.
Usual current rate of occupancy is about 1 out of five rooms....ah feels for him.

We shouldn't expect to be able to read his tax returns too soon, as long as the Grand Jury gets them pronto though.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-22/trump-rejected-as-supreme-court-lets-prosecutor-get-tax-records

I've seen two explanations for the doubling of prices for the 3rd to 5th. According to RWNJ sites QAnon etc and media reports, the 4th March is supposed to be another coup attempt along the lines of that of 6 Jan. Or Trump will return to power by some other non-specified means. In which case he's price gouging. With hundreds from the 6 Jan facing charges, his followers may be less enthusiastic about a rerun of 6 Jan.

The other less likely explanation I've seen is that he's raised the prices to keep his followers out of the hotel. He despises them. He wants to be in with the in crowd, but the in crowd despise him. The hotel has been running on empty though, so he can't afford to be fussy.

[1/32 man]

The other less likely explanation I've seen is that he's raised the prices to keep his followers out of the hotel. He despises them. He wants to be in with the in crowd, but the in crowd despise him. The hotel has been running on empty though, so he can't afford to be fussy.

He wants the ones who hate him and doesnt want the ones who love him....thats tough.....for him.

[Bonez]

The only thing wrong with that is that Pelosi is not in charge of the Capitol police so it isn't her call

Capitol police had a also turned down help offered from the FBI prior to the eventPlease read and comprehend what I posted in future.. I never stated Palosi was in charge of the Capitol Police.

[Bonez]

Did Boner get his knitting needles crossed up again?Ah no. Lacukaracha can't understand de Engrish.

[Bonez]

trump... the man who has people to explain what he really meant after he says something in public.Trump... the man that has all you KB Knitting Circle Ladys fizzing on a daily basis each time his name is mentioned.

[1/32 man]

plus I wont be attending his fundraiser at $US10000 per ticket for two.

if he is so rich how come he needs to raise funds?

[Bonez]

plus I wont be attending his fundraiser at $US10000 per ticket for two.

if he is so rich how come he needs to raise funds?I'm sure Trump will miss you:whistle:

[pritch]

Since Jan 6 the FBI have been posting photos of people they want identified. Almost daily they, or others, have been posting photos of a guy who eye gouged a cop. Today I see he's been identified as Thomas Webster a retired New York cop. 'New York's finest' indeed.

[pritch]

Has anybody else noticed that the strangest posts on KB are often posted after midnight near the full moon?

[Bonez]

Since Jan 6 the FBI have been posting photos of people they want identified. Almost daily they, or others, have been posting photos of a guy who eye gouged a cop. Today I see he's been identified as Thomas Webster a retired New York cop. 'New York's finest' indeed.In case you haven't noticed dear pritch he is NOT a serving cop anymore. Isn't NY a liberal ,ie Democrat, city?

Your ignore function is obviously broken deary.

And thank you for the nice flower. I haven't been anywhere pritch. You obviously haven't noticed my post over the last few weeks.

[Bonez]

Has anybody else noticed that the strangest posts on KB are often posted after midnight near the full moon?You are imagining things again pritch. Some of us KB members suffer from insomnia. What is your excuse?

[pritch]

In case you haven't noticed dear pritch he is NOT a serving cop anymore. Isn't NY a liberal ,ie Democrat, city?

I had indeed noticed. Were you smarter and almost fully literate you might have noticed the word "retired" in my post.
NY is indeed a Democrat city. The NYPD, however, is not a democratic institution. Their Union supported Trump IIRC.


thank you for the nice flower.

I don't usually dish out red rep. Looking down the list of who gave me reds it appears to be either the less smart KBers or drunks. That one was to return a favour you did me.

Now, you back on ignore and me back to a state of tranquility.

[Bonez]

I had indeed noticed. Were you smarter and almost fully literate you might have noticed the word "retired" in my post.
NY is indeed a Democrat city. The NYPD, however, is not a democratic institution. Their Union supported Trump IIRC.



I don't usually dish out red rep. Looking down the list of who gave me reds it appears to be either the less smart KBers or drunks. That one was to return a favour you did me.

Now, you back on ignore and me back to a state of tranquility.Dearest pritch your ignore function is broken AGAIN!! LOL

You really are a drama queen deary.

An absolute riot.

[FJRider]

Please read and comprehend what I posted in future.. I never stated Palosi was in charge of the Capitol Police.

According to your post (quoted below) ... it seems to indicate you believed she did have (some/final) say in the matter. If she wasn't in charge ... who made the "Denial of National Guard decision: ... ??


It has been reported that the CapiTol Police requested National Guard assistance before the roits happened. Palosi and her sargent in Arms denied the request.

Perhaps you should install spellcheck as well ... ;)

[Bonez]

According to your post (quoted below) ... it seems to indicate you believed she did have (some/final) say in the matter. If she wasn't in charge ... who made the "Denial of National Guard decision: ... ??



Perhaps you should install spellcheck as well ... ;)
No you are IMAGINING I implied Palosi was in charge of the CP.

Also it may pay to take your own advice.

Just saying.....

[pritch]

According to your post (quoted below) ... it seems to indicate you believed she did have (some/final) say in the matter. If she wasn't in charge ... who made the "Denial of National Guard decision: ... ??


Perhaps you should install spellcheck as well ... ;)

A lost cause, spell check won't help with her name and he can't even get that right.

It has for some time been crystal clear who was the problem. Trump's Secretary of Defence issued some strange orders, a copy of which is included in the attachment.
There are facts and there is propoganda, sadly some people are really crap at telling the difference.

https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

[FJRider]

No you are IMAGINING I implied Palosi was in charge of the CP.

Also it may pay to take your own advice.

Just saying.....

You Stated THEY made the decision ... who actually was in charge is irrelevant.



Just saying ... :cool:

[Bonez]

You Stated THEY made the decision ... who actually was in charge is irrelevant.



Just saying ... :cool:
I repeat you are IMAGENING things.

And thank you for quoting my posts btw.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

A lost cause, spell check won't help with her name and he can't even get that right.

It has for some time been crystal clear who was the problem. Trump's Secretary of Defence issued some strange orders, a copy of which is included in the attachment.
There are facts and there is propoganda, sadly some people are really crap at telling the difference.

https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard
You post uninformed propagada EVERY DAY pritch my ol darling.

Just saying,.,.

[FJRider]

There are facts and there is propoganda, sadly some people are really crap at telling the difference.



This is KB ... facts are irrelevant.


All you need is to believe.



And later ... just deny everything. Delete all the posts ... then change the subject.





It's the KB way ... :drinknsin

[Bonez]

This is KB ... facts are irrelevant.


All you need is to believe.



And later ... just deny everything. Delete all the posts ... then change the subject.





It's the KB way ... :drinknsinSounds EXACTLY like you KB Knitting Circle Ladys doesn't it?

[pritch]

This is KB ... facts are irrelevant.

All you need is to believe.

And later ... just deny everything. Delete all the posts ... then change the subject.

It's the KB way ... :drinknsin

For some perhaps. Not thinking of anybody. Much. :apint:

[FJRider]

I repeat you are IMAGING things.

And thank you for quoting my posts btw.

Just saying...

Read what you posted. You said it in the post. I didn't even misquote you ... which I "May" have on a previous occasion.

By the way ... Definition of IMAGING is "the process of making a visual representation of something by scanning it with a detector or electromagnetic beam".

The word you "Might" have meant was Imagining.

As I said ... Spellcheck.





Just saying .... :laugh:

[Bonez]

Read what you posted. You said it in the post. I didn't even misquote you ... which I "May" have on a previous occasion.

By the way ... Definition of IMAGING is "the process of making a visual representation of something by scanning it with a detector or electromagnetic beam".

The word you "Might" have meant was Imagining.

As I said ... Spellcheck.





Just saying .... :laugh:I did not state in any way, shape or form Palosi was in charge of the CP. It is all in your imagination.

Again follow your own advice.

Btw imitation is the sincerist form of flattery, so thank you very very much my precious.

Just saying...

[FJRider]

I did not state in any way, shape or form Palosi was in charge of the CP. It is all in your imagination.

I never said you stated it (quote the post I did) ... I simply stated ... that you posted that they denied the request for National Guard assistance. Was it (or not) .. THEIR decision to make ... ?? Or will you now claim they were not the one's that denied National Guard assistance .. ??

[neels]

Between this thread, and the Jacinda thread, my god there are some fuckwits walking among us.

Clinging to tiny strands that support an argument despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, following completely deranged conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact, and generally just an inability to be a thinking human who can weigh up evidence and realise that they might have been wrong and have the balls to admit it.

I wonder how the conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxer nutjobs are going to go if the world follows Israel's lead and opens only to people who have had vaccinations....

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/israel-is-launching-covid-immunity-passports-for-vaccinated-citizens.html

[Bonez]

For some perhaps. Not thinking of anybody. Much. :apint:You don't think at all when you post in this thread pritch. Try PG Tips, it might help.

[pritch]

I wonder how the conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxer nutjobs are going to go if the world follows Israel's lead and opens only to people who have had vaccinations....


I've been reading the comments in the press, and seeing on the news, most recently tonight, mention of passports for vaccinated people. This is perplexing. The vaccine does not stop anyone catching the virus although it may minimise the symptoms. Nor does it sterilise the nostrils. So vaccinated people can be walking around with minimal symptoms while blowing the virus at all and sundry. The scientists have pointed this out, but the politicians may not have been listening. Politicians being on the lookout, as always, for a simple solution.

[Bonez]

I've been reading the comments in the press, and seeing on the news, most recently tonight, mention of passports for vaccinated people. This is perplexing. The vaccine does not stop anyone catching the virus although it may minimise the symptoms. Nor does it sterilise the nostrils. So vaccinated people can be walking around with minimal symptoms while blowing the virus at all and sundry. The scientists have pointed this out, but the politicians may not have been listening. Politicians being on the lookout, as always, for a simple solution.
There is a dedicated thread for Covid-19 related posts deary so please don't take this thread off topic. After all it is about Trump and his minions..


Just saying...

[R650R]

I've been reading the comments in the press, and seeing on the news, most recently tonight, mention of passports for vaccinated people. This is perplexing. The vaccine does not stop anyone catching the virus although it may minimise the symptoms. Nor does it sterilise the nostrils. So vaccinated people can be walking around with minimal symptoms while blowing the virus at all and sundry. The scientists have pointed this out, but the politicians may not have been listening. Politicians being on the lookout, as always, for a simple solution.

I’m very happy that someone of intelligence on the other side of this debate can see the glaring hypocracy and failings that such a “ passport” produces.... especially given that even with known highly effective vaccines a significant number of vaccinated people are still vulnerable, the measles debate proves that and they had years to fix that issue.

Note the timeline of names, first it was the Wuhan virus, then it was SARS Corona virus 2 (cause there was already a previous SARS Corona virus but they didnÂ’t close the world over that one six to ten years ago), the SARS Cov2..... suddenly was being called Covid and covid 19, an acronym that makes zero sense grammatically or scientifically unless your talking and KNOWING about

Certificate
Of
Vaccination
Identification
D....

Why arenÂ’t new strains called covid 20 or covid 21?????
Why are there a dozen different vaccines for different regions when this virus loves to travel.
How will human body cope with multiple vaccines in short time frames for those who travel a lot?

WeÂ’ve been blasted with fear porn about super spreaders and how cleverly contagious and resistant this virus is but you wonÂ’t kill grandma if you have your papers and your 80%? effective jab. Would grandma ride in your car if the brakes worked 80% of the time?

Oh and kids arenÂ’t getting the jab as apparently they donÂ’t get or spread the virus thatÂ’s bullshit. And anyone with kids knows the lil snot nose super spreaders give everyone everything as they just donÂ’t comprehend the hole sickness and hands things at that age.
Whose always sick at work? ItÂ’s the people with kids catching bugs off their kids weÂ’ve all been able to witness that for years...,

[onearmedbandit]

Covid and covid 19, an acronym that makes zero sense grammatically or scientifically unless your talking and KNOWING about

Certificate
Of
Vaccination
Identification
D....



lol nice troll.

[Bonez]

I never said you stated it (quote the post I did) ... I simply stated ... that you posted that they denied the request for National Guard assistance. Was it (or not) .. THEIR decision to make ... ?? Or will you now claim they were not the one's that denied National Guard assistance .. ??I note precious you don't provide the whole quote. A bit like a Democrat House manager at a impeachment hearing.

In the beginning I post "It has be reported" . Which I've basicly provided someone elses take on the subject. I mean point out a single word 'they" is absolutely pathetic luvvy.

Just saying...

[FJRider]

I note precious you don't provide the whole quote. A bit like a Democrat House manager at a impeachment hearing.

In the beginning I post "It has be reported" . Which I've basicly provided someone elses take on the subject. I mean point out a single word 'they" is absolutely pathetic luvvy.

Just saying...

If you posted it ... you must have believed it to be true. And the line you used was "It has been reported ... You can't even quote yourself properly (without spellcheck) Your grammar needs work too ... ;)

If I may quote you again ...
I repeat you are IMAGENING things.

And thank you for quoting my posts btw.

Just saying...


Quoting you again (fully)

Spellcheck still not installed yet I see.



Just saying ...

[Bonez]

If you posted it ... you must have believed it to be true. And the line you used was "It has been reported ... You can't even quote yourself properly (without spellcheck) Your grammar needs work too ... ;)

If I may quote you again ...


Quoting you again (fully)

Spellcheck still not installed yet I see.



Just saying ...You are a dreamer precious

Quote the full post in future luvvy.

Just saying....

[pritch]

If you posted it ... you must have believed it to be true. And the line you used was "It has been reported ... You can't even quote yourself properly (without spellcheck) Your grammar needs work too ... ;)

If I may quote you again ...


Quoting you again (fully)

Spellcheck still not installed yet I see.



Just saying ...

His English is so bad I'm starting to wonder if he isn't actually sitting at an Internet Research Agency troll farm desk in St Petersburg, Russia.

Just saying...

[Bonez]

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/95554...lled-during-ri

The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress.

Former chief Steven Sund --who resigned his post last week after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for him to step down -- made the assertions in an interview with The Washington Post published Sunday.

Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.

Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.

Like Sund, Irving and Stenger have also since resigned their posts.



Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.

Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser also wanted a light police presence at the Capitol. She reportedly wanted to avoid a similar scenario as last summer, when federal forces responded to demonstrators opposed to police abuses who assembled near the White House.

During Wednesday's violence, Bowser requested, and received, a limited force of 340 from the D.C. National Guard. Those troops were unarmed and their job was to help with traffic flow — not law enforcement, which was meant to be handled by D.C. police.

When the mob reached the Capitol complex at about 12:40 p.m. ET on Wednesday, it took about 15 minutes for the west side perimeter of the building to be breached, he says. The Capitol Police contingent, which numbered around 1,400 that day, was quickly overrun by the estimated 8,000 rioters.

"If we would have had the National Guard we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive," he says.

Sund says during a conference call with several law enforcement officials at about 2:26 p.m., he asked the Pentagon to provide backup.



Senior Army official Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, said on the call he couldn't recommend that Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy authorize deployment, Sund and others on the call told the Post. Piatt reportedly said, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background," the Post reported.

It would be more than three hours before any National Guard troops arrived, well after the damage at the Capitol had been done.

In the interview, Sund also issued a warning to federal officials, saying "if they don't get their act together with physical security, it's going to happen again."

[pritch]

During the Senate inquiry into the events of January 6th yesterday, instead of using his allocated time to ask questions Senator Ron Johnson, R Wisconsin, made a speech. He asserted that the events were triggered by agents provocateur (read Antifa) following which the Police overreacted by attacking the peaceful Trump supporters. That's my take, it's close, but if you want 100% accuracy you can find his speech. Whatever, it was clearly a pack of lies.

Many people, probably Democrats, think he should be charged as an 'accessory after the fact'. That sounded a bit extreme so I was interested to see the actual wording of the US Code. After reading the attachment which is the operative passage y'all can decide for yourselves.

[Bonez]

Riddle me this Flatman and Bobbin- Why dfd the CP feel compelled to gas Black Lives Maters members at the beginning of those riots?

[mashman]

Between this thread, and the Jacinda thread, my god there are some fuckwits walking among us.

Clinging to tiny strands that support an argument despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, following completely deranged conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact, and generally just an inability to be a thinking human who can weigh up evidence and realise that they might have been wrong and have the balls to admit it.

I wonder how the conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxer nutjobs are going to go if the world follows Israel's lead and opens only to people who have had vaccinations....

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/israel-is-launching-covid-immunity-passports-for-vaccinated-citizens.html

Games up girl. I know who you are.

https://i.redd.it/ihi8bv28swp21.jpg

[FJRider]

His English is so bad I'm starting to wonder if he isn't actually sitting at an Internet Research Agency troll farm desk in St Petersburg, Russia.

Just saying...

Apparently ... I must spread some reputation around.


Any suggestions where ... ??

[FJRider]

You are a dreamer precious

Quote the full post in future luvvy.

Just saying....

I just do the highlights ... :motu:


Works for me ... :killingme

[FJRider]

Riddle me this Flatman and Bobbin- Why dfd the CP feel compelled to gas Black Lives Maters members at the beginning of those riots?

Perhaps ... Black lives don't matter as much to some ... as they do to others.

Would they have gassed them if there was no danger of rioting .. ???

[FJRider]

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots



Any word whom it was that denied it ... ?? ;)

[Bonez]

Perhaps ... Black lives don't matter as much to some ... as they do to others.

Would they have gassed them if there was no danger of rioting .. ???That all u cun du presious?

[Bonez]

Any word whom it was that denied it ... ?? ;)
Who is Commander and Chief and did nothing nadda, nought, zero........precious?


Just saying....

[pritch]

There are multiple reports that the Distrct Attorney for Manhattan now has Trump's financial records. "Millions of pages" seems a tad colourful but... Mazars, Trump's accounting firm, would have had them ready to go, the Supreme Court decision had been years in coming. The various US Law enforcement agencies can be confusing, there are so many of them. It would seem that the Manhattan DA has geared up for this, they have brought in a prosecutor with a stellar reputation and they have hired an expensive firm of forensic accountants.

We are told not to expect any headlines soon, there is a lot of work to be done. This being a state level investigation a presidential pardon is not an option. It is also a very expensive exercise, perhaps the city is planning on recovering some of the costs from the seizure of property?

[pritch]

Apropos of forensic accountants: I knew one briefly twenty years ago or thereabout, he had really interesting work stories. For him to be involved the figure would be at least six figures and likely involved the chief financial officer. The CFO, whatever his title, would normally be the only employee who could move such large amounts of money.

He told of one such case he was working trying to track stolen NZ money across the Internet. The track led from one router to another until it came to an encrypted router thought to be in Russia. He sniffed around but there was nothing to be found, it was a dead end. One night after dinner there was a knock on the door.
"I'm Detective Inspector X, this is Detective Sergeant Y, we are acting for Interpol at the request of the United States Treasury Dept. What do you do for a living?"

The US Treasury were attempting to track US mob money and they were interested in anybody else who was poking around that encrypted router.

[neels]

Funny Judge Judy pic

Not entirely sure what the point is there, although a notable feature of her proceedings is that when people are talking drivel they get told to shut up, perhaps the world needs more of that.

[Bonez]

Apropos of forensic accountants: I knew one briefly twenty years ago or thereabout, he had really interesting work stories. For him to be involved the figure would be at least six figures and likely involved the chief financial officer. The CFO, whatever his title, would normally be the only employee who could move such large amounts of money.

He told of one such case he was working trying to track stolen NZ money across the Internet. The track led from one router to another until it came to an encrypted router thought to be in Russia. He sniffed around but there was nothing to be found, it was a dead end. One night after dinner there was a knock on the door.
"I'm Detective Inspector X, this is Detective Sergeant Y, we are acting for Interpol at the request of the United States Treasury Dept. What do you do for a living?"

The US Treasury were attempting to track US mob money and they were interested in anybody else who was poking around that encrypted router.
Nice moanalogue you have going there pritch. Reminds me of the Goon Show on BBC Radio.


Just saying...

[mashman]

Not entirely sure what the point is there, although a notable feature of her proceedings is that when people are talking drivel they get told to shut up, perhaps the world needs more of that.

That was pretty much it to be honest, including the humour touch. More conspiracy theorists are created by not having valid questions answered and concerns addressed. Some things, like the election, are pretty important to not simply shut down the discussion over its validity, especially given the evidence and the fact that there were judges that said that there was enough evidence of widespread voter fraud... which in itself is a can of worms that very few wish to open given that the authorities have spoken and therefore everyone should just take it.

Fortunately "They" see the covid stuff the same way as you, except this time the conspiracy theorists being censored are highly respected professionals. I've supported 2 sets of evidence during the covid thing. The first set, the official version, turned out to be bullshit... and quite chunky bullshit at that. The second set is currently being censored as conspiracy by governments and corporations who own free speech platforms. But, shhhhhhhhh. Executioner ;)

[R650R]

One of these highly regarded professionals is a Mexican doctor who just censored himself out the window on the 9th story of a building..,. But yeah nothing suspicious st all....

Just like after Kennedy where 66 key witnesses who sawxstuff they shouldn’t have all suffered early deaths in suspicious circumstances at a rate not inline with national averages for age groups....

Most people dismiss conspiracies as they don’t believe the govt can lie to them or be corrupted.... yet at least monthly the mainstream news has articles where politicians have epic failures/ misappropriation of funds/fraud/abuse etc.... and that’s just the stuff we hear about....

Even in our own jobs we do things where we don’t understand the rational or reason management has directed it be done via method x. But we do it so we get paid and not fired. It’s same for politicians police or military or health dept, orders come down for task x to be carried out in prescribed manner... classic compartmentalisation....

[husaberg]

Most people dismiss conspiracies as they don’t believe the govt can lie to them or be corrupted.... ...

No, most people dismiss conspiracy theories as those that push them can produce little or no evidence to support them.

[FJRider]

Who is Commander and Chief and did nothing nadda, nought, zero........precious?


Just saying....

So ... you don't know..



Just saying ...

[pritch]

In a video clip a woman can be heard to say "Cool" as this thing is pushed up the corridor. Personally I've never seen anything less 'cool' in my life. This golden statue of Trump wearing US flag boxers is at the CPAC mass spreader event currently being held in Florida. Most US conservatives would claim to be Christian but judging by this effort it may be some time since they consulted the good book. It would also appear to be some time since they read the flag code.

[Bonez]

So ... you don't know..



Just saying ...Do your own fucking research precious.

It's blatently obvious that all those cut and paste news reports at the time about the CP not accepting Pentagons support was pure bull shit in the highest degree.

Their boss {the Pentigons you silly silly woman} Commander in Cheif Joe [ I will sign anything } Biden Is'nt in command of anything from what I've observed over the last two months..

Just saying...

[pritch]

A news item that brought me joy. Two Georgia counties have filed lawsuits against Donald J Trump to recover the legal costs incurred in fighting off Trumps stupid voter fraud law suits. Considering that there were some seventy of these cases, none of which were substantiated, Trump must be hoping the idea doesn't catch on.

The basic idea though is entirely reasonable. Why should the Georgia tax payers be up for the costs of these completely ridiculous court actions? Trump wanted them, Trump can pay for them.

[pritch]

So ... you don't know..


He may not, but I do. It was the Pentagon. Unsurprisingly trump had installed sycophants in key positions. In so doing he was creating the "deep state" he had whinged about for years but which didn't exist.

Rather more interestingly though, General Charles Flynn, brother of confessed liar and Trump supporter General Michael Flynn, was present in the room for part of the decision making process. The US Army is evidently not quite the professional organisation they would have people believe.

[FJRider]

Biden Is'nt in command of anything from what I've observed over the last two months..

Just saying...

At your age ... your eyesight wont be that flash anyway.


Just another excuse for your continued ignorance ...



Just saying ...

[FJRider]

Do your own fucking research precious.



I knew you wouldn't know ... :killingme





Just saying ...

[pritch]

These people are a worry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsKY_C9Ygp4

[mashman]

These people are a worry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsKY_C9Ygp4

:killingme@that's who you're worried about.

[pritch]

March 4 is the big day. Trump will be inaugurated as president and presumably the arrests, courts martial, and the firing squads begin. Or not. Trump has increased the room rate in his DC hotel in preparation so he's ready. If I'd known all debts would be forgiven on March 4 I'd have bought a new bike on HP. Still got time if I'm quick. :whistle:

The fact that every other prophesy has proved to be crap seems not to not have dented the confidence of the Q believers. Trump and his sycophants are still pushing the big lie so who knows? I guess we'll all know on the fifth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkniaZtlfpg



Oh, and it seems that the judges are unimpressed when the people arrested on Jan 6 claim in court that they were acting on the orders of the president.

[mashman]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1321847827945918464

Pelosi: "We're ready. I feel very confident that Joe Biden will be elected President on Tuesday. Whatever the end count is on the election that occurs on Tuesday, he will be elected, on January 20th he will be inaugurated President.".

But the election wasn't stolen ;)

[pritch]

It's March 4th in the US of A, mid afternoon in DC, but apart from an item that the forces of law and order are on stand by, nothing much seems to be happening.

Another cognitive dissonance for the Q believers to deal with?

[TheDemonLord]

It's March 4th in the US of A, mid afternoon in DC, but apart from an item that the forces of law and order are on stand by, nothing much seems to be happening.

Another cognitive dissonance for the Q believers to deal with?

Or perhaps certain people needed a justification to keep large numbers of Military personnel in the Capitol...

[F5 Dave]

But wait. Is Trump wearing a Biden mask Scooby Doo style?

[pritch]

Some Trump supporters who had travelled to see Trump's inauguration, pictured at the Capitol security fence. I trust they travelled a vast distance at huge expense.

[pritch]

Congressman Eric Swalwell is an interesting character, not least because he has now lodged a 65 page civil claim against Trump and others for the events of Jan 6th. That'll be worth watching as it unfolds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD-wDYI9LCY&t=16s



When Trump was collecting money from his followers for his legal battles it was just another con. It may well turn out that he actually does have to spend millions on court cases though.

[pritch]

Trump has reportedly sent a cease and desist letter to the Republican Party demanding they stop using his name. A new level of 'cancel culture', self cancellation.

The MAGATs have come up with a new prediction. Trump will run for Congress, impeach Biden and Harris, he will then take over the presidency until 2024 when he will again be elected. The stupidity is beyond belief.

Oh, and it's being reported that the prosecutors in Georgia going after Trump for election fraud, have hired in an expert in racketeering. No indication yet whether that's a good sign or an indication of desperation.

[Stylo]

Trump has reportedly sent a cease and desist letter to the Republican Party demanding they stop using his name. A new level of 'cancel culture', self cancellation.

The MAGATs have come up with a new prediction. Trump will run for Congress, impeach Biden and Harris, he will then take over the presidency until 2024 when he will again be elected. The stupidity is beyond belief.

Oh, and it's being reported that the prosecutors in Georgia going after Trump for election fraud, have hired in an expert in racketeering. No indication yet whether that's a good sign or an indication of desperation.

Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and The Q'anon evidently have the next master-plan. Details ,yet to be announced but will surely be as mortally effective as the current kick back strategy currently employed.

While Donald plays golf in Florida and afterward, pushes his Big Mac's down his throat in front of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson on Fox TV. Gutfeld is another star.

Biden. Be afraid. Sleep well.

[pritch]

The attachment is a tweet by E Jean Carroll. Ms Carroll accused Trump of rape, in response he called her a liar. She is suing him for libel, to prove her case she has to prove she wasn't lying. She claims she still has the dress from the encounter, as it was at the time, complete with DNA. Trump's DNA.

It seems her tweet was sent with some feeling.

[pritch]

Now there's a surprise. Trump wants all the money.

[TheDemonLord]

Now there's a surprise. Trump wants all the money.

I personally think his reasons are entirely valid - that there are certain 'Republicans' that have repeatedly demonstrated a failure to adhere to any of the foundational conservative principles.


Not wanting those people from being able to raise revenue from Trump's Brand/Image/Likeness is entirely reasonable.

[sugilite]

I personally think his reasons are entirely valid - that there are certain 'Republicans' that have repeatedly demonstrated a failure to adhere to any of the foundational conservative principles.

You mean Trump right?
He is just so mean. He could be kind to the rhinos like this guy below.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofKn-miF_KE

[pritch]

Here he goes again. His achievements are so few and far between he has always claimed credit for the successes of others. This is his latest effort claiming craedit for the Covid 10 vaccine. The one that was invented in Germany.

[husaberg]

Here he goes again. His achievements are so few and far between he has always claimed credit for the successes of others. This is his latest effort claiming craedit for the Covid 10 vaccine. The one that was invented in Germany.

To be fair he did claim his father was German even though he clearly wasn't but his Grandfather was.
What is odd is that Trump was once an antivaxer..............

[F5 Dave]

And he has to put in a racist jab too. What a great guy.

[pritch]

News tonight on Maddow apparently, I haven't heard it yet. There is another recording of a Trump phone call to Georgia requesting voting results be changed and in this one he implicates his Chief of Staff. It also pretty much prevents him saying the other call was inadvertant and misleading.

In Georgia he is currently being investigated for racketeering, Georgia has its own racketeering law and the guy who wrote the text book on racketeering has been added to the team investigating Trump. This is in addition to any breaches of electoral law currently being investigated.

No wonder he wants all the money, his legal bills are going to run into the millions.

[onearmedbandit]

Here he goes again. His achievements are so few and far between he has always claimed credit for the successes of others. This is his latest effort claiming craedit for the Covid 10 vaccine. The one that was invented in Germany.

His level of delusion never fails to astound. It would be funny if only there wasn't those that believed every lie he's spouted.

[TheDemonLord]

Here he goes again. His achievements are so few and far between he has always claimed credit for the successes of others. This is his latest effort claiming craedit for the Covid 10 vaccine. The one that was invented in Germany.

It may have been invented in Germany, but it's fair to say that Operation Warp-speed did what it set out to do and that the $12 Billion that was invested by the US to help fund the R&D for the vaccine was a very large factor in it's success.

Not only that, but you can find NYT articles from May/April last year ridiculing Trump's claim of 'A Vaccine by the end of the year' - saying that the best case scenario would be mid 2021 before a Vaccine was ready, with others putting out even longer time-lines.

Trump has every right to Boast about the success of Warp-Speed, it did what he said it would do, in the time he said it would do it.

[husaberg]

The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.

https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/

[TheDemonLord]

https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/

No, they just recieved hundreds of millions of Dollars in pre-orders....

[sugilite]

Trump has every right to Boast about the success of Warp-Speed, it did what he said it would do, in the time he said it would do it.

And Lets not forget to credit Trump with ....
Downplaying the virus.
Politicizing wearing masks.
Holding multiple super spreader rallies - 14 alone in the last 3 days of the campaign.
Yes, Trumps Operation Warp speed to needlessly kill thousands was a raging success - for the virus.

[husaberg]

And Lets not forget to credit Trump with ....
Downplaying the virus.
Politicizing wearing masks.
Holding multiple super spreader rallies - 14 alone in the last 3 days of the campaign.
Yes, Trumps Operation Warp speed to needlessly kill thousands was a raging success - for the virus.

Or taking credit for a Vacines R@D when he had nothing to do with other than ordering some after it was developed.

[Bonez]

Here he goes again. His achievements are so few and far between he has always claimed credit for the successes of others. This is his latest effort claiming craedit for the Covid 10 vaccine. The one that was invented in Germany.
Golly gosh Pumpkin your Engrish has become terrible. And has Covid-19 been knocked off already?

[Bonez]

Trump and Co. remove the ISIS caliphate.

Biden and Co. remove 6 Dr Seuss books,

Just saying...

[pritch]

Marjorie Taylor Greene is a new Congresswoman, a Republican, a Q believer, a woman who puts herself about a bit for the devout Christian she claims to be. She has been slowing the passage of bills through Congress, some of which are not at all politically controversial. One such was a bill awarding decorations to some Capitol Police officers as a result of their actions January 6th.

The other day she made an impassioned speech opposing foreign aid. Her list of countries that should not be receiving foreign aid included Guam. Guam is an American territory, people born there are American citizens. Money to Guam is not foreign aid.

Her ignorance should embarrass her but she's not smart enough for that.

[Bonez]

Marjorie Taylor Greene is a new Congresswoman, a Republican, a Q believer, a woman who puts herself about a bit for the devout Christian she claims to be. She has been slowing the passage of bills through Congress, some of which are not at all politically controversial. One such was a bill awarding decorations to some Capitol Police officers as a result of their actions January 6th.

The other day she made an impassioned speech opposing foreign aid. Her list of countries that should not be receiving foreign aid included Guam. Guam is an American territory, people born there are American citizens. Money to Guam is not foreign aid.

Her ignorance should embarrass her but she's not smart enough for that.Your Engrish grandma is terrible Pumpkin.

Just saying...

[Laava]

Marjorie Taylor Greene is a new Congresswoman, a Republican, a Q believer, a woman who puts herself about a bit for the devout Christian she claims to be. She has been slowing the passage of bills through Congress, some of which are not at all politically controversial. One such was a bill awarding decorations to some Capitol Police officers as a result of their actions January 6th.

The other day she made an impassioned speech opposing foreign aid. Her list of countries that should not be receiving foreign aid included Guam. Guam is an American territory, people born there are American citizens. Money to Guam is not foreign aid.

Her ignorance should embarrass her but she's not smart enough for that.
But smart enough to be a republican!

[pritch]

But smart enough to be a republican!

I'm assuming the lower case r is deliberate. More than a few of the current crop of Republicans don't seem super sharp, they're only there because of blatant gerrymandering. Then there's the ones suffering from Alzheimer's, although that could apply to some Democrats too.

[pritch]

Trump has just made his' triumphal' return to Trump Tower, his first visit to New York since leaving the presidency. He may have been expecting a crowd waiting to greet him with rapt applause. He reportedly got just one single solitary supporter - and a big crowd of cops and Secret Service.

I'm reminded of the words in the Bread song "The Guitar Man".

Then the lights begin to flicker and the sound is getting dim
The voice begins to falter and the crowds are getting thin
But he never seems to notice, he's just got to find another place to play

[pritch]

This is a recent shot, the MAGAts would have you believe this is a photo of a guy in great shape. Without his orange makeup and usual hair dye job, and with his blotchy skin he really aint looking too flash.

[mashman]

This is a recent shot, the MAGAts would have you believe this is a photo of a guy in great shape. Without his orange makeup and usual hair dye job, and with his blotchy skin he really aint looking too flash.

Yeah, for a 74 year old I'm surprised he can move without being hooked up to life support. Maybe they edited his tanks out of the pic. Quick, get some tanks in there pritch and get dat scoop bro.

[Bonez]

Yeah, for a 74 year old I'm surprised he can move without being hooked up to life support. Maybe they edited his tanks out of the pic. Quick, get some tanks in there pritch and get dat scoop bro.
(In Bidens voice) Ahhhh maaaan.....