Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite]

While some in this very thread bemoan poor ole trump does not get a fair deal and should be treated fairly.
Here in this video, the ex scumbag in chief baselessly attacks a single American citizen who is donating her time to keep democracy ticking along.
He deserves every bit of shit that lands in his lap.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt_7gi2IIn8

[TheDemonLord]

This has not occurred in any of your other posts that I have noticed.

Erm.... I've noticed it multiple times - to be fair, when it's happened, I too presumed it's due to Copy Paste, either that or it's a post made from a phone and there's some weird character shenanigans going on.

Edit:

Case in point: https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/188513-Trump?p=1131202252#post1131202252

Admittedly the original post has been edited, but in the quote, you can see the special characters.

[Laava]

He deserves every bit of shit that lands in his lap.
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It doesn't have far to fall once it dribbles out his mouth.

[pritch]

And who knows maybe a women will end up giving birth to a new Einstein or Elon musk oh bugger I forgot heÂ’s from South Africa.

Musk's no Einstein either.

[R650R]

1. Google bot spiders do not crawl and index every page on the internet - not even close.
2. The give away is where ever you copied it from, the basic ascii based editor the vbulliten forum software that KB uses could not interpret the apostrophes and such in your pasted text.
Example "In early 1900’s Eugenics societies were all so popular “ getting rid of” handicapped or defective kids was socially acceptable. Then hitler came along and over did it and made it look less rosey and that’s when American outfit changed its name to “ planned parenthood”"

This has not occurred in any of your other posts that I have noticed.

You’ll find it does work quite effectively despite what technical limitations you believe could exist. I e used it a number of times when day people quote unnamed sources and it will often deliver you to the source article.

As for those A’s that’s some random bug that only happens here. Seems mostly when I backspace and retype to over ride my phones autocirrect it has a hisdy fit about it. I’ve seen it happen to other posters on here too which is quite entertaining when they claim to be super accurate and critique my lack of attention to grammatical accuracy in some of my posts due to bourbon or not giving a damn.

[R650R]

Musk's no Einstein either.

He is a Klaus Shwab student of the world economic forum which prob warrants a thread of its own though as to where he is leading us....

[nerrrd]

You’ll find it does work quite effectively despite what technical limitations you believe could exist. I e used it a number of times when day people quote unnamed sources and it will often deliver you to the source article.

As for those A’s that’s some random bug that only happens here. Seems mostly when I backspace and retype to over ride my phones autocirrect it has a hisdy fit about it. I’ve seen it happen to other posters on here too which is quite entertaining when they claim to be super accurate and critique my lack of attention to grammatical accuracy in some of my posts due to bourbon or not giving a damn.

It happens to me when I’m using my iPad with my bluetooth keyboard – I try to avoid it by previewing the post, which then inserts all the A’s in the editor next to apostrophes or single quote marks, whereupon you can delete them before submitting the reply. But sometimes I forget to preview and have to go back and edit them myself.

So i can confirm that it’s possible for those to appear in freshly typed text. Although it didn’t for me this time, so who knows.

[pritch]

Tha Jan 6th Commission "surprise" hearing today was a doozie and there was a sting in the tail. The right are crying "hearsay" but the lawyers say it's not all hearsay and introduce hitherto unheard legal terms.

As is normal, Trump has said he doesn't know who Cassidy Hutchinson is. Funny, her office was ony a few feet along the passage from the Oval Office, her office was before the Chief of Staff and the Vice President's offices. Trump obviously wouldn't have noticed an attractive, twenty something, woman just a few feet from his door. Of course the inquiry presented multiple photos of her in the same room or on Air Force One.

It seems Trump would throw a tanty and then proceed to throw the crockery. It wasn't his after all, it belonged to the taxpayer. In one instance Hutchinson joined the valet in wiping the tomato sauce of the wall. Evidence not just of his insanity, but of his awful taste in food. Ah well...

Anyone interested should be able to find it on YouTube, either in full or highlites.

[Grumph]

Who'd have thought the draft-dodger con artist had the balls to try and override his security team and get to the Capitol on 6 Jan.

Just as well he was surrounded largely by incompetents - rightly frightened of what could occur.
A hard- line rightwing Chief of Staff could easily have finished off the already started coup.

Very easy to imagine Trump leading the chants "hang him" as the crowd led Pense out.....

[pritch]

Who'd have thought the draft-dodger con artist had the balls to try and override his security team and get to the Capitol on 6 Jan.

Just as well he was surrounded largely by incompetents - rightly frightened of what could occur.
A hard- line rightwing Chief of Staff could easily have finished off the already started coup.

Very easy to imagine Trump leading the chants "hang him" as the crowd led Pense out.....

Might not have been 'balls' might have been just another tantrum Stephanie Grisholme (sp?), famous as the Press Secretary who never held a press conference, was in an interview today and confirmed that Trump regularly threw things at staff when having a hissy fit.

[TheDemonLord]

Tha Jan 6th Commission "surprise" hearing today was a doozie and there was a sting in the tail. The right are crying "hearsay" but the lawyers say it's not all hearsay and introduce hitherto unheard legal terms.

As is normal, Trump has said he doesn't know who Cassidy Hutchinson is. Funny, her office was ony a few feet along the passage from the Oval Office, her office was before the Chief of Staff and the Vice President's offices. Trump obviously wouldn't have noticed an attractive, twenty something, woman just a few feet from his door. Of course the inquiry presented multiple photos of her in the same room or on Air Force One.

It seems Trump would throw a tanty and then proceed to throw the crockery. It wasn't his after all, it belonged to the taxpayer. In one instance Hutchinson joined the valet in wiping the tomato sauce of the wall. Evidence not just of his insanity, but of his awful taste in food. Ah well...

Anyone interested should be able to find it on YouTube, either in full or highlites.

This sounds awfully familiar - like when someone *totally* overheard Trump say bad things about Veterans or when someone *totally* on the record said that they could get all the money from Russia or any of the other umpteen times we've had 'quotes' that have turned out to be utter Hearsay.

So, you'll forgive my hesitation.

What I find interesting, however, is that one of the criticisms that was leveled against Trump and by extension, Myself - was that on Jan 6th he wasn't there with his People.

If I'd suggest back then that it was because the Secret Service wouldn't allow it - I can only imagine the furor and 'Free passes for Trump' and 'That's a monumental overreach' etc.

As an Aside - I saw a graph somewhere of a CBS poll (so not Fox...) of the issues Americans care about - at the top was things like Inflation and the Economy with a vast majority of people considering it of high importance.

At the very opposite end of the Poll, however was Jan 6th, with the smallest percent of people considering it of High Importance of any of the issues polled.

Seems the US Citizenry doesn't care for the Kangaroo Show Trial.


Edit: On Cassidy Hutchinsons Testimony - firstly, Trump taking on a secret Service agent, in order to 'Be with his people' makes him sound absolutely Bad-ass.

However - on the story - I'm fairly certain that the Passenger and Driver compartment are separated by a Bulkhead, which would make her story almost impossible, Yes there's apparently a screen that can be lowered for direct communication, but in order to get from the Passenger compartment, to the driver compartment and put a hand on the wheel, especially for someone of Trump's age and weight - you seriously buying that?

Her story reminds me more of Amber Heard's hilarious testimony than anything else - a well written story that belongs squarely in the Fiction section.

Not to mention the Secret Service agents who both say it didn't happen...

[pritch]

RWNJs are claiming Ms Hutchinson's evidence was hearsay. It wasn't. If you watched the coverage there was near the end a seemingly random set of questions asked by Liz Cheney. I knew why she was asking them but couldn't remember the legal term.

Consider Secret Service Agent #1 was the driver and SSA#2 was his mate. Ms Cheney's questions established that SSA#2 told the story to Ms Hutchinson in the presence of SSA#1, and SSA#1 did not offer any crrections or objections. That is called "adoptive admission" and is similar to SSA#1 having told the story himself.

Ms Hutchinson's testimony was under oath. Until the nay sayers are prepared to testify under oath their word is worth nothing.

[TheDemonLord]

RWNJs are claiming Ms Hutchinson's evidence was hearsay. It wasn't. If you watched the coverage there was near the end a seemingly random set of questions asked by Liz Cheney. I knew why she was asking them but couldn't remember the legal term.

Consider Secret Service Agent #1 was the driver and SSA#2 was his mate. Ms Cheney's questions established that SSA#2 told the story to Ms Hutchinson in the presence of SSA#1, and SSA#1 did not offer any crrections or objections. That is called "adoptive admission" and is similar to SSA#1 having told the story himself.

Ms Hutchinson's testimony was under oath. Until the nay sayers are prepared to testify under oath their word is worth nothing.

As was Amber Heard's - didn't stop her from Lying her Ass off.

The problem with this being Adoptive Admission is that SSA#1 is *not* the defendant, they are a witness. Either way Ms Hutchinson did not personally witness any of this (surprise Surprise).

But let's get back to the factual elements:

1: If the Vehicle that was used was the Beast (as claimed) then I'd like you to advice how Trump, an Overweight 70 year old, could get through the opening made by lowering the glass panel, to touch the Steering wheel Given how small these gaps typically are (https://www.google.com/search?q=limo+privacy+screen&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwigs_mcztP4AhXKi9gFHRCRAj8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=limo+privacy+screen&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQ6BAgjECc6BggAEB4QB1DhCFi XE2D2FGgAcAB4AIABuwGIAZMMkgEDMC45mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzL Xdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=6cS8YuCaCMqX4t4PkKKK-AM&bih=739&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d)

2: The Photo and Video evidence we have from that day shows it was not the Beast at all.

Eitherway, her Testimony is *clearly* not factually accurate and as the phrase goes:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

False in One thing, False in all things.

[R650R]

As was Amber Heard's - didn't stop her from Lying her Ass off.

The problem with this being Adoptive Admission is that SSA#1 is *not* the defendant, they are a witness. Either way Ms Hutchinson did not personally witness any of this (surprise Surprise).

But let's get back to the factual elements:

1: If the Vehicle that was used was the Beast (as claimed) then I'd like you to advice how Trump, an Overweight 70 year old, could get through the opening made by lowering the glass panel, to touch the Steering wheel Given how small these gaps typically are (https://www.google.com/search?q=limo+privacy+screen&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwigs_mcztP4AhXKi9gFHRCRAj8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=limo+privacy+screen&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQ6BAgjECc6BggAEB4QB1DhCFi XE2D2FGgAcAB4AIABuwGIAZMMkgEDMC45mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzL Xdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=6cS8YuCaCMqX4t4PkKKK-AM&bih=739&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d)

2: The Photo and Video evidence we have from that day shows it was not the Beast at all.

Eitherway, her Testimony is *clearly* not factually accurate and as the phrase goes:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

False in One thing, False in all things.

Good points. Just like conspiracy sites the left keeps rolling out new doses of hopium to gaslight their audiences into following but nothing has come of any alleged scandels yet. I see govt has added Pritchs buddies the ***** and ***** to list of official terrible organisations. The plus side of this is perhaps the next national govt will be able to add antifa and greens to the list.
I expect in coming weeks we will see some poor teenage patsy arrested for buying **** hats or T-shirt’s online and Jacinda using it for next stage of internet restrictions s....

[TheDemonLord]

Good points. Just like conspiracy sites the left keeps rolling out new doses of hopium to gaslight their audiences into following but nothing has come of any alleged scandels yet. I see govt has added Pritchs buddies the ***** and ***** to list of official terrible organisations. The plus side of this is perhaps the next national govt will be able to add antifa and greens to the list.
I expect in coming weeks we will see some poor teenage patsy arrested for buying **** hats or T-shirt’s online and Jacinda using it for next stage of internet restrictions s....

On the one hand, it would be an act of hilarious irony if a National Government did prohibit all the radical left-wing terro- I mean 'Activist' groups.

However, I have to say - I'd be opposed to that. By all means strip all government funding from them (and the University courses that fuel them) - but they should be free to assemble and to hold their views - just so long as there is no official support of them.

[R650R]

On the one hand, it would be an act of hilarious irony if a National Government did prohibit all the radical left-wing terro- I mean 'Activist' groups.

However, I have to say - I'd be opposed to that. By all means strip all government funding from them (and the University courses that fuel them) - but they should be free to assemble and to hold their views - just so long as there is no official support of them.

Yes that’s why I like Seymour he was only one during that hate speech law nonsense to say hey if there are unhappy people out there we need to hear them so we can work towards fixing problems.

[pritch]

Appropriate.

[Laava]

RWNJs are claiming Ms Hutchinson's evidence was hearsay. It wasn't. If you watched the coverage there was near the end a seemingly random set of questions asked by Liz Cheney. I knew why she was asking them but couldn't remember the legal term.

Consider Secret Service Agent #1 was the driver and SSA#2 was his mate. Ms Cheney's questions established that SSA#2 told the story to Ms Hutchinson in the presence of SSA#1, and SSA#1 did not offer any crrections or objections. That is called "adoptive admission" and is similar to SSA#1 having told the story himself.

Ms Hutchinson's testimony was under oath. Until the nay sayers are prepared to testify under oath their word is worth nothing.
I wonder if the biggest nay-sayer of all will have his day in court soon? Dragged in there kicking and screaming and digging in his bone spurs!

[R650R]

The Jan 6th commission has announced a new star witness to appear with fanning evidence. Some Sheila called Amber Heard 😂😂😂😂😢😂

[sugilite]

Oh dear, one of our residant trump/musk lovin members must be gutted about one shitting on the other!
Trump offers scathing rebuke of Elon Musk during Alaska rally with Sarah Palin: 'He’s another bull---t artist'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rebuke-elon-musk-alaska-rally-sarah-palin

See musk as predicted months ago was not serious about buying twitter. Nice troll though. He sucked in plenty :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

Oh dear, one of our residant trump/musk lovin members must be gutted about one shitting on the other!
Trump offers scathing rebuke of Elon Musk during Alaska rally with Sarah Palin: 'He’s another bull---t artist'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rebuke-elon-musk-alaska-rally-sarah-palin

See musk as predicted months ago was not serious about buying twitter. Nice troll though. He sucked in plenty :laugh:

Not really. I'm a bit bummed about the Twitter deal Not going through - the reasons why though are getting very interesting - particularly as the advertising fees Twitter are predicated on the amount of live vs bot users.

I don't think this is over.

One suggestion has been that Elon takes Twitter to court over their Bot Count and when the bottom of the share price falls out, then he buys it for a Bargain.

[R650R]

He could be playing 4D chess Trump style though (musk that is)...
Could also be a big social experiment by the elite just to see how public responds to prospect of change in major electronic institutions. Remember this all started not long after fakebook was plunging in value....
Twitter was originally started to destroy old style journalism. Getting rid of accurate researched articles with material backed up by quotes from named sources. Replaced with 140 character posts in scrolling format that quickly bury mistakes or lies.
And the thing with lies is you don’t want to say too much as eventually something contradicts.
So what’s a better way than to limit breaking news to 140 characters....
It’s job is done, mainstream media has copied the format so Twitter is kinda redundant anyway.
It’s also largely populated by the extreme left which also makes it less effective as the target audience doesn’t really use it...

[TheDemonLord]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1546344529460174849

From the Man himself.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXW4J4xXgAAXFKs?format=jpg&name=small

[sugilite]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/elon-musk-trump-criticism-age-presidency :laugh:

It will be ron desantis that eases the knife brutus stylez into trumps back as he whispers his thanks into trumps ear for making him. Looking forward to this.

[sugilite]

I've not been that impressed with the jan 6th hearings, unless it is a case of death by a thousand cuts with an unexpected decapitation at the end.
As per the video below, everyone with a brain knew this was trumps play, only the most desperate fan bois would be mumbling about election anomalies and so on :rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad0Pn9SP6yA

[TheDemonLord]

I've not been that impressed with the jan 6th hearings, unless it is a case of death by a thousand cuts with an unexpected decapitation at the end.

You mean a Kangaroo Show-Trial is nothing but Smoke and Mirrors?!?

The funny thing is that the interest for Jan 6th, among Americans is virtually non-existent.

The Democrats by continuing the Farce are just making it worse for themselves.

[R650R]

Lick a paint here, lick a paint there looks like a tidy up for 2024....

https://youtu.be/fXfmvzsaTp0

[pritch]

At least it looks to have two engines again. The donations must be coming in.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/bret-stephens-trump-voters.html

Unfortunately behind a Paywall - but the admission, by a NYT Journalist no less that the Trump-Russia Hoax is and was a Hoax - that's quite a refreshing turn of Honesty.

[Laava]

Or maybe just leave it unplugged?

[pritch]

So Trump claimed at one of his rallies that he built hundreds of miles of wall and that his wall was completed. Other Republicans claim the border is uncontrolled. Not that we should expect any of this idiocy to make sense. Even so this weeks border crossing as depicted by Itchy Boots ddn't go as I expected.

She crossed at Tecate rather than Tijuana. Tecate is a smaller crossing - much smaller. Tecate is also of interest because it's a brand of beer mentioned in country music. I haven't seen it here yet but if I do I'll try some.

Anyhoo her border crossing sequence starts at 15.50. At other border crossings there have been trucks queued for miles. Not at this Mexico/US border crossing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM7RuMk5dS8&t=1366s

[husaberg]

So Trump claimed at one of his rallies that he built hundreds of miles of wall and that his wall was completed. Other Republicans claim the border is uncontrolled. Not that we should expect any of this idiocy to make sense. Even so this weeks border crossing as depicted by Itchy Boots ddn't go as I expected.

She crossed at Tecate rather than Tijuana. Tecate is a smaller crossing - much smaller. Tecate is also of interest because it's a brand of beer mentioned in country music. I haven't seen it here yet but if I do I'll try some.

Anyhoo her border crossing sequence starts at 15.50. At other border crossings there have been trucks queued for miles. Not at this Mexico/US border crossing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM7RuMk5dS8&t=1366s

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/22/two-plead-guilty-fraud-we-build-the-wall-project-trump-bannon


he co-founder of the “We Build The Wall” project aimed at raising money for a border wall pleaded guilty Thursday to charges in a case that once included Donald Trump’s adviser Steve Bannon.
Brian Kolfage admitted to pocketing hundreds of thousands of dollars while promising all donations would pay for the wall. His plea came a month before a trial in a case that began in dramatic fashion in August 2020, when Bannon was pulled from a luxury yacht off the coast of Connecticut and arrested on allegations that he and three others ripped off donors trying to fund a southern border wall.

Bannon was pardoned by Trump just before he left office last year. Bannon had pleaded not guilty to charges he pocketed over $1m, using some of the money to secretly pay Kolfage, a 39-year-old air force veteran who lost both legs in a mortar attack in Iraq.

guilty plea on Thursday by co-defendant financier Andrew Badolato, 57, in the case during the same remotely conducted electronic hearing before US district Judge Analisa Torres in Manhattan meant that only one of the four defendants originally charged might go to trial in mid-May.

Plea agreements between the government and Kolfage and Badolato specified the defendants will not challenge sentences within an agreed-to guidelines range. For Kolfage, that range was four to five years. For Badolato, it was roughly 3.5 years to four years. Sentencing was scheduled for 6 September.


As trump had saids Mexico was going to pay for the wall. We can only assume that all the donors and the tax funders of the 10 billion dollars he funneled into it were "Mexicans"
As of late may 2020 only three miles of new fence had been constructed.
My only guess is it was hard for trump to build the wall as he has such tiny hands.

[F5 Dave]

Build a Wall. Keep those Dutchys out!


Glad to see her still going. Don't bother trying to keep up but good to watch if you have the time.

[pzkpfw]

You need more of a dyke for that.

[pritch]

Meanwhile over at Truth Social...

[TheDemonLord]

Meanwhile over at Truth Social...

That's a hilarious post.

Also, I've noticed - there seems to be a some Wall Building going on in America.

Rather quietly, without the furor and gnashing of teeth.

Interesting....

[pritch]

That's a hilarious post.

Also, I've noticed - there seems to be a some Wall Building going on in America.

Rather quietly, without the furor and gnashing of teeth.

Interesting....

'Cause Joe got the Mexicans to help pay for it perhaps?

[husaberg]

Meanwhile over at Truth Social...
That's appears to be classic narcissistic projection
Especially given trump former chief strategist has came out and said he believed trump was suffering from dementia. he even allegedly tried to have him removed. but hey trump only hires the best people Trump supporters were happy to believe Bannon when he promoted trump and when he ran breitbart its only now when he says stuff they will claim it not true.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bannon-said-trump-had-dementia-and-plotted-to-oust-him-as-president-book-2021-2
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/16/trump-dementia-claims-steve-bannon-25th-amendment



If you get the unsolicited ballots, send it in and then go, make sure it counted, and if it doesn’t tabulate, you vote. Just vote. And then if they tabulate it very late, which they shouldn’t be doing, they’ll see you voted and so it won’t count. So send it in early and then go and vote, and if it’s not tabulated, you vote, and the vote is going to count. You can’t let them take your vote away. These people are playing dirty politics—dirty politics. So if you have an absentee ballot, or as I call it a solicited ballot, you send it in, but I would check it in any event. I would go and follow it and go vote—and everyone here wants to vote—the old-fashioned way.

[pete376403]

Trumps ex Ivana has been buried near the first hole of his golf course at Bedminster. Apparently there are tax advantages in having the golf course classed as a cemetery. Pure class.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300650909/golf-course-burial-of-ivana-trump-may-help-donald-trump-get-tax-break

[TheDemonLord]

'Cause Joe got the Mexicans to help pay for it perhaps?

It might be all those Californians moving to Mexico have finally made Mexico realise why a Wall is a good thing...

[pritch]

Treason is a word often tossed about thoughtlessly in the USA, sometimes even by judges. Treason, however, is not something that happens every day, so even judges can be forgiven for being rusty on the topic.

In US law treason is tightly defined, most consider the nation needs to be at war. Mr Kirschner has an interesting alternate view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3EeNEJCCGM

[pritch]

The FBI is executing a search warrant at Mar a Lago.

[TheDemonLord]

The FBI is executing a search warrant at Mar a Lago.

Elizabeth Hubbard saw the Apparition of Sarah Good.

[TheDemonLord]

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KJpBNtk0FWA

I wonder when they are going to get a visit from the FBI? Distributing controlled Medicines to Minors - pretty sure that's a Federal Crime.

Oh - and before you argue they are just some random on the Internet - check our their Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Erlick

[pritch]

It seems to be the opinion of the various legally qualified talking heads on American TV (excepting on FOX of course) that the execution of a search warrant means criminal charges will follow. Assuming the FBI found what they were looking for. Such is the seriousness of a search warrant on the former president that it's likely the FBI had precise information as to what they were looking for and where it was.

The search warrant will contain all the relevant information but the FBI aren't saying. Trump, who has his own copy, well he ain't saying either.

Of course the RWNJs are talking of taking up arms in their new civil war.

And all this historic action on the anniversary of the day Nixon resigned.

[TheDemonLord]

It seems to be the opinion of the various legally qualified talking heads on American TV (excepting on FOX of course) that the execution of a search warrant means criminal charges will follow. Assuming the FBI found what they were looking for. Such is the seriousness of a search warrant on the former president that it's likely the FBI had precise information as to what they were looking for and where it was.

The search warrant will contain all the relevant information but the FBI aren't saying. Trump, who has his own copy, well he ain't saying either.

Of course the RWNJs are talking of taking up arms in their new civil war.

And all this historic action on the anniversary of the day Nixon resigned.

Russia Hoax part 2, here we come.

can you not smell the desperation and obvious political bias?

[Viking01]

Russia Hoax part 2, here we come.

can you not smell the desperation and obvious political bias?

Morning,
Has the January 6 Coup court case finished ? Did I miss something ? Has the whole clown show moved on ?

See that the Russians (and their "propaganda outlets") have not lost their sense of humour:

https://sputniknews.com/20220809/fbi-handovers-1099433631.html

[TheDemonLord]

Morning,
Has the January 6 Coup court case finished ? Did I miss something ? Has the whole clown show moved on ?

See that the Russians (and their "propaganda outlets") have not lost their sense of humour:

https://sputniknews.com/20220809/fbi-handovers-1099433631.html

If the Dems had their way, the Jan 6th hearing will be still going until approx. 2050.

You're right though, it is a definitely a Clown show.

[husaberg]

It seems to be the opinion of the various legally qualified talking heads on American TV (excepting on FOX of course) that the execution of a search warrant means criminal charges will follow. Assuming the FBI found what they were looking for. Such is the seriousness of a search warrant on the former president that it's likely the FBI had precise information as to what they were looking for and where it was.

The search warrant will contain all the relevant information but the FBI aren't saying. Trump, who has his own copy, well he ain't saying either.

Of course the RWNJs are talking of taking up arms in their new civil war.

And all this historic action on the anniversary of the day Nixon resigned.

but but hunter biden Hillary emails lol
just how many in Trumps "best people" have been convicted of crimes or faced criminal charges

Steve Bannon:
Trump's political advisor was charged with fraud in August 2020
Tom Barrack:
Barrack was charged on seven counts on july 21
Elliott Broidy:
Broidy, a top fundraiser for Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, pleaded guilty in October 2020 to conducted a secret lobbying campaign in exchange for millions of dollars.
Michael Cohen:
The one-time fixer for Trump, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for a series of crimes, most notably secret hush-money payments made during the final months of the 2016 presidential campaign to two women alleging affairs with Trump.
Michael Flynn:
Flynn spent a brief stint as Trump's national security adviser before being forced to resign after he failed to disclose the depth and breadth of his contacts with Russian officials during the transition. Later that year, Flynn admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his contact with Russia
Rick Gates: Gates, deputy to the campaign chairman of Trump's 2016 campaign, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting Paul Manafort in concealing $75 million in foreign bank accounts.
Paul Manafort:
Trump's campaign manager for part of the 2016 presidential campaign, Manafort pleaded guilty in 2018 to on count of conspiracy against the US and one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice due to attempts to tamper with witnesses -- and agreed to cooperate with the ongoing.
Russia probe. Manafort was sentenced to 47 months in prison in 2019.
George Nader:
An informal foreign policy adviser to Trump's 2016 campaign, Nader cooperated heavily with special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. In early 2020, he pleaded guilty to two counts of sex crimes involving minors.
George Papadopoulos:
Papadopoulos, a relatively junior adviser to Trump's campaign, was sentenced to 12 days in prison for lying to investigators about his contacts with individuals tied to Russia.
Roger Stone:
Stone spent years advising Trump although he was only formally affiliated with the 2016 campaign very briefly. He was convicted in November 2019 for lying to Congress and threatening a witness regarding his efforts for Trump's campaign.
Allen Weisselberg:
The longtime chief financial officer for the Trump Organization was charged with tax crimes tied to perks he was given in lieu of salary.

[TheDemonLord]

but but hunter biden Hillary emails lol
just how many in Trumps "best people" have been convicted of crimes or faced criminal charges

Steve Bannon:
Trump's political advisor was charged with fraud in August 2020
Tom Barrack:
Barrack was charged on seven counts on july 21
Elliott Broidy:
Broidy, a top fundraiser for Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, pleaded guilty in October 2020 to conducted a secret lobbying campaign in exchange for millions of dollars.
Michael Cohen:
The one-time fixer for Trump, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for a series of crimes, most notably secret hush-money payments made during the final months of the 2016 presidential campaign to two women alleging affairs with Trump.
Michael Flynn:
Flynn spent a brief stint as Trump's national security adviser before being forced to resign after he failed to disclose the depth and breadth of his contacts with Russian officials during the transition. Later that year, Flynn admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his contact with Russia
Rick Gates: Gates, deputy to the campaign chairman of Trump's 2016 campaign, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting Paul Manafort in concealing $75 million in foreign bank accounts.
Paul Manafort:
Trump's campaign manager for part of the 2016 presidential campaign, Manafort pleaded guilty in 2018 to on count of conspiracy against the US and one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice due to attempts to tamper with witnesses -- and agreed to cooperate with the ongoing.
Russia probe. Manafort was sentenced to 47 months in prison in 2019.
George Nader:
An informal foreign policy adviser to Trump's 2016 campaign, Nader cooperated heavily with special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. In early 2020, he pleaded guilty to two counts of sex crimes involving minors.
George Papadopoulos:
Papadopoulos, a relatively junior adviser to Trump's campaign, was sentenced to 12 days in prison for lying to investigators about his contacts with individuals tied to Russia.
Roger Stone:
Stone spent years advising Trump although he was only formally affiliated with the 2016 campaign very briefly. He was convicted in November 2019 for lying to Congress and threatening a witness regarding his efforts for Trump's campaign.
Allen Weisselberg:
The longtime chief financial officer for the Trump Organization was charged with tax crimes tied to perks he was given in lieu of salary.

I'm missing the part where Trump himself actually got convicted of something.

Huh. Funny that.

Meanwhile, if you in lock-step with the Regime, you can smoke Crack and Fuck hookers, film yourself doing it, take Money from an Adversary and not even get arrested.

Huh. Funny that.

But if you are a right winger and go for a pleasant stroll through the Capital Building, you get a show-trial of Stalinesque proportions

Huh. Funny that.

But Antifa and BLM can literally burn down cities, murder people in the streets, secede from the US, commit massive fraud for months on end and not so much as an investigation.

Huh. Funny that.

I guess the rules only apply when you are a Right Winger then. If the Dems continue this, they are going to be in for a very bad time when inevitably a Right Wing president is elected.

[pete376403]

But if you are a right winger and go for a pleasant stroll through the Capital Building, you get a show-trial of Stalinesque proportions.

Sometimes you can make quite lucid, reasonable statements. And there are times like this when you come across completely delusional. A riot where a number of people died is "a pleasant stroll"?

[TheDemonLord]

Sometimes you can make quite lucid, reasonable statements. And there are times like this when you come across completely delusional. A riot where a number of people died is "a pleasant stroll"?

What is the definition of Riot you are using?

Even if I use the strict definition - I'm not entirely sure that Jan 6th stretches to a riot.

However, we were told repeatedly and at length that despite the fire bombed buildings in the background, that wasn't a riot - it was a mostly peaceful protest. So since the Capitol building wasn't burned down - it definitely wasn't a Riot. It was an absolutely Peaceful protest.

And a number of people?

The only person that was killed directly in Jan 6th was a person shot by Security. The Majority of Protestors that entered the Capitol building were simply walking around. There was a little bit of petty vandalism and theft - but again - not a full fledged Riot.

However - getting back to your point - yes, I am being deliberately hyperbolic - in order to contrast the treatment of the groups of individuals. Perhaps if the treatment given to each was approximately equivalent, perhaps I'd be a little more charitable to the opposition and a little more scathing to 'my side' but until then - since there is absolutely nothing approaching in the way of parity of treatment - I'm not inclined to be charitable or scathing.

The only thing that is actually delusional - is the different standards.

[Kickaha]

But Antifa and BLM can literally burn down cities, murder people in the streets, secede from the US, commit massive fraud for months on end and not so much as an investigation.


Who was the President and what Government was in power when that happened and didn't act on it ?

[TheDemonLord]

Who was the President and what Government was in power when that happened and didn't act on it ?

Didn't act on it?

Do I need to pull up the hit pieces about 'Trump Stormtroopers'? The state governors did just about everything they could to prevent Trump from acting on it, screeching 'States Rights!' whilst they let their cities burn.

But even then, the presumption is that magically when the Government changes all the Governmental departments suddenly change their political views.

They don't.

Case in point, the BBC (despite the Conservatives being in power for 12 years) has become increasingly Left Wing.

Getting back to America, the weaponizing of Governmental institutions (such as the FBI, IRS, ATF etc.) is causing those institutions to be distrusted. Once you pick a team or be seen to pick a team, everything afterwards is suspect.

I think though the best example is this:

Democrats, on multiple occasions, actively supported the BLM Riots - telling people to go out into the streets and to fight even after people were getting killed by BLM Thugs - When they are hauled up and impeached and dragged before a similar kangaroo court to the likes of the January 6th pantomime - then I might change my tune.

[Kickaha]

Democrats, on multiple occasions, actively supported the BLM Riots - telling people to go out into the streets and to fight even after people were getting killed by BLM Thugs - When they are hauled up and impeached and dragged before a similar kangaroo court to the likes of the January 6th pantomime - then I might change my tune.

Irrelevant, but then you're good at that and as usual didn't answer a simple question just deflected off to making excuses

[TheDemonLord]

Irrelevant, but then you're good at that and as usual didn't answer a simple question just deflected off to making excuses

I did answer the question - Trump on multiple occassions offered assistance to the Democrat states that were rioting - only to be told to go away. When he did intervene:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=trump+stormtroopers

So to answer your question - Who was in charge: Democrat Governors in Democrat run States and Democrat Mayors in Democrat run Cities.

Before you ask - The US Army is forbidden from engaging in activities on US soil and the National Guard are under the control of the State Governors.

(that was the whole 'States Rights' comment that you seemed to have missed)

And the deflection/excuses as you call them aren't - they are making the point that it is one set of standards for the Republicans and a completely different set of standards for the Democrats.

As I said - if you can film yourself doing drugs, fucking hookers and taking money from a foreign adversary and not get a knock on the door from the FBI (Cough Hunter Cough) because you're on Team Blue then the same should apply to Team Red - and it clearly does not.

[Kickaha]

So to answer your question - Who was in charge: Democrat Governors in Democrat run States and Democrat Mayors in Democrat run Cities.

Except that wasn't my question


Before you ask - The US Army is forbidden from engaging in activities on US soil and the National Guard are under the control of the State Governors.

Somebody should have told Trump that "If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them,"

"dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel and law enforcement officers to stop the rioting, looting, vandalism, assaults and the wanton destruction of property."

So what soldiers were these going to be if the National guard is under the control of the State Governor's ?

[TheDemonLord]

Except that wasn't my question

Your question, as framed, is predicated on a series of false presuppositions.

That being that when someone is the leader of the country, they have absolute control over every single government department. Considering I can point to multiple examples of Government departments having a prevailing political bias against the government - your question, as asked, is pointless.

Furthermore - considering the issue of States Rights (something the Republicans are curiously big on) - the specific limits on Federal power against the individual states means that asking 'Who is the President' is a worthless question.

Therefore I gave you the correct answer in reference to those 2 factors.


Somebody should have told Trump that "If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them,"

"dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel and law enforcement officers to stop the rioting, looting, vandalism, assaults and the wanton destruction of property."

So what soldiers were these going to be if the National guard is under the control of the State Governor's ?

IIRC, he used border patrol and Homeland security agents - which are neither National Guard nor Army. Some might say that's abusing a loophole and not in the spirit of what was intended - and there'd be a good point to be made there....

if the Governors weren't actively shirking their duties to make their political opponent look bad.

And yes - Trump talked big - what a surprise. He didn't, however, actually send in the Military (and lord how I wished he had).

[pritch]

Trump appeared in court in the New York civil case investigating Trump Inc for tax fraud.

Prior to his appearance Trump said he would not answer questions relating to his business. It seems that he answered to his name then proceeded tp plead the Fifth in answer to every question.
"I refuse to answer on the grounds I might incriminate myself."

Interesting. In a criminal case, if someone pleads the Fifth, that can not be used to assume guilt on their part. Although Trump himself has often suggested that pleading the Fifth is evidence of guilt.

Civil cases are different, the jury can draw negative inferences from someone using the Fith amendment and thus find that person guilty.
Trump's lawyers would know that, but they may have considered that letting him open his mouth would lead to perjury charges on top of everything else.

We'll see...

[Kickaha]

Your question, as framed, is predicated on a series of false presuppositions.

That being that when someone is the leader of the country, they have absolute control over every single government department. Considering I can point to multiple examples of Government departments having a prevailing political bias against the government - your question, as asked, is pointless.

Furthermore - considering the issue of States Rights (something the Republicans are curiously big on) - the specific limits on Federal power against the individual states means that asking 'Who is the President' is a worthless question.

Therefore I gave you the correct answer in reference to those 2 factors.

No, you gave a whole lot of waffle with very little substance which is pretty much standard for you

[TheDemonLord]

No, you gave a whole lot of waffle with very little substance which is pretty much standard for you

Except for the bit about States Rights, limitations on Federal Power, prohibitions about using the US Army on domestic soil and pointing that these problems were allowed to occur in Democrat states under Democrat Governors, in Democrat Cities with Democrat Mayors.

Which renders the insinuation you were trying to make completely null and void.

[F5 Dave]

Just put him on ignore. He's just a waste of blah blah..

Dissappears like the bogeyman behind a curtain.

[husaberg]

Just put him on ignore. He's just a waste of blah blah..

Dissappears like the bogeyman behind a curtain.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/06/20/43897101-9657667-image-m-25_1623006741178.jpg
Careful he gets an erection every time you refer to him......

[TheDemonLord]

And still the people who claim to ignore me reference me at every opportunity.


Then complain when I quote them to respond.


Such integrity...

[pritch]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/06/20/43897101-9657667-image-m-25_1623006741178.jpg
Careful he gets an erection every time you refer to him......

That's not an erection though, that's his nappies.

[pritch]

Interesting. The Washington Post are reporting that some of the material that was targeted in the search of Mar a Lago related to nuclear matters. That's behind a paywall but there will be lots of coverage elsewhere. What makes it so interesting is that it opens up options for the Justice Dept. It's not just unlawful possession of documents. It could be a range of charges up to espionage depending on the nature of the material.

Presidents can declassify secret documents, but even presidents cannot declassify anything related to nuclear power or weapons.

This doesn't come entirely out of the blue. There were those who considered Jared Kushner was providing nuclear information to his buddy MBS in Saudi Arabia.

The Attorney General has applied to the court to release the details of the search warrant. Trump says he will not oppose the release of information. Then again he did say he'd release his tax returns...

[F5 Dave]

When you are compromised you are compromised.

Queue some moronic apologist posting. Please don't quote it. Makes me just a bit more stupid every time I read it.

[pzkpfw]

...

The Attorney General has applied to the court to release the details of the search warrant. Trump says he will not oppose the release of information. Then again he did say he'd release his tax returns...

(What I read commented elsewhere is that ...) he will publicly say he'll not oppose it, but privately tell his lawyers to fight like hell. Seems likely.

Edit: oh, events moved way quicker than that.

[pritch]

If there are any papers pertaining to matters nuclear that makes Trump's situation more serious. The Justice Dept aren't saying yet but Trump has. Trump has posted, without eveidence of course, that Obama removed millions of documents, “How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!”

By now everybody should be aware of Trump's predeliction for projection. His accusation that Obama removed nuclear documents can be seen as an admission that some of his documents illegally in his possession are nuclear related. Possibly "lots" of them.


And on a lighter note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_HLVyEObA

[Laava]

Can't imagine the billowy orange cunt even pronouncing "nuclear".

[husaberg]

If there are any papers pertaining to matters nuclear that makes Trump's situation more serious. The Justice Dept aren't saying yet but Trump has. Trump has posted, without eveidence of course, that Obama removed millions of documents, “How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!”

By now everybody should be aware of Trump's predeliction for projection. His accusation that Obama removed nuclear documents can be seen as an admission that some of his documents illegally in his possession are nuclear related. Possibly "lots" of them.


And on a lighter note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_HLVyEObA


Can't imagine the billowy orange cunt even pronouncing "nuclear".


Those nuke documents trump stole were needed for his ground breaking research into stopping hurricanes

i predict it will all blow over......:msn-wink:

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/1127/production/_108619340_hi056250355.jpg

[R650R]

Some great comments and perspectives in this interview.... the salient fact being there are very few true secrets pertaining to nuke technology these days, even the Iranians are making their own... not to mention Stone Age nth Korea.
Apparently everything about former President is classified information once he leaves office including biscuits dinner menu. Declassifying anything is responsibility of office of national archives which is apparently undefunded and understaffed. Typically it takes 20-25 years for even mundane stuff to be opened up....


https://youtu.be/L30WzPV2QE8

[TheDemonLord]

I've yet to watch the legal analysis of this from LawTube - it's a several hours long deep dive into the publicly available info (such as the warrant etc.) however, perhaps the best point so far - since the left are jumping up and down on claiming 'Nuclear', is this:



The Government would never lie to us about WMDs

[pritch]

Some great comments and perspectives in this interview.... the salient fact being there are very few true secrets pertaining to nuke technology these days, even the Iranians are making their own... not to mention Stone Age nth Korea.
Apparently everything about former President is classified information once he leaves office including biscuits dinner menu. Declassifying anything is responsibility of office of national archives which is apparently undefunded and understaffed. Typically it takes 20-25 years for even mundane stuff to be opened up....



That's a very umm coloured piece. He is very misleading and some of what he said is just not true. Trump had receieved multiple subpoenas and ignored them all. Nobody else would have even received one, there would have just been a knock at the door. Reality Winner provided one document confrming Russian interference in the 2016 US election and she got five years jail.

Sky News is owned by Murdoch and it's very bit as reliable as FOX which he also owns. If you watch that shit it will rot your brain.

Trump has already claimed that he declassified everything as he removed it, but that's bullshit because although the president has wide powers to declassify documents, there is a process. Even the president can't declassify anything nuclear related. We can now presume he is being investigated for espionage. Sadly we can probably also safely assume no charges will eventuate.

[husaberg]

Trump has already claimed that he declassified everything as he removed it, but that's bullshit because although the president has wide powers to declassify documents, there is a process. Even the president can't declassify anything nuclear related. We can now presume he is being investigated for espionage. Sadly we can probably also safely assume no charges will eventuate.

haha
The very fact he claimed to have declassified the documents (something he clearly can't do) proves he removed classified documents,
To everyone bar the trumpers.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f4NrxEtNA0

Probably the most level breakdown, he also does a half hour look at the Search Warrant - note, nothing in the Search Warrant mentions Nuclear.

Also his initial actions of returning boxes of documents to the National Archives does somewhat fly in the face of 'Trump didn't comply'

My initial thoughts on the raid were highly skeptical - this looks more and more like a malicious application of rules.

Funny that.

[R650R]

. We can now presume he is being investigated for espionage. Sadly we can probably also safely assume no charges will eventuate.

I’m very happy that you are of enough rational though to come to that realisation so early in the latest saga of what “might” happen to Trump.

An interestingly comment elsewhere was the opinion that the search warrant was merely to try and provoke the Maga crowd into a mainly peaceful protest. Even if there was only half the amount of mainly peaceful protests as the BLM events it would be enough for Biden administration to implement martial law and go full banana republic.

[husaberg]

May 2021
An official from NARA contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House. In hopes of locating the missing items, NARA lawyer Gary Stern reaches out to someone who served in the White House counsel's office under Trump, who was the point of contact for recordkeeping matters. The missing documents include some of Trump's correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, as well as the map of Hurricane Dorian that Trump infamously altered with a sharpie pen.

January 2022
After months of discussions with Trump's team, NARA retrieves 15 boxes of Trump White House records from Mar-a-Lago. NARA says in a statement that some of the records it received at the end of Trump's administration were "torn up by former President Trump," and that White House officials had to tape them back together. Not all the torn-up documents were reconstructed, NARA says. The boxes contained some materials that were part of "special access programs," known as SAP, which is a classification that includes protocols to significantly limit who would have access to the information.

February 9, 2022
News outlets, including CNN, report that NARA asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump's handling of White House records and whether he violated the Presidential Records Act and other laws related to classified information. The Presidential Records Act requires all records created by a sitting president to be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administration.

February 18, 2022
NARA informs the Justice Department that some of the documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago included classified material. NARA also tells the department that, despite being warned it was illegal, Trump tore up documents while he was president, and that senior officials in the Trump administration did not properly preserve their social media messages, draft tweets and deleted tweets.

June 3, 2022
Four investigators, including a top Justice Department counterintelligence official, visit Mar-a-Lago seeking more information about classified material that had been taken to Florida. The four investigators meet with Trump's attorneys and look around the basement room where the documents are being stored. Trump briefly stops by the meeting to say hello to the officials, but he does not answer any questions. During the meeting, the federal officials serve a grand jury subpoena for some of the sensitive national security documents on the premises, and they take away the subpoenaed documents.

June 22, 2022
Federal investigators serve a subpoena to the Trump Organization, demanding surveillance video from Mar-a-Lago. Trump's company complies with the subpoena and turns over the footage. CNN has reported that this was part of an effort to gather information about who had access to areas at the club where government documents were stored. The subpoena was served on June 22, according to The Wall Street Journal.

August 12, 2022
Federal Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart approves the unsealing of the Mar-a-Lago search warrant and its property receipt, at the Justice Department's request and after Trump's lawyers agree to the release. The warrant reveals the Justice Department is looking into possible violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records, as part of its investigation.



On Friday evening 12th August , Trump’s camp sent a statement to Fox News elaborating on that defense.
“As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different,” the statement read.

It continued: “President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents, including classified documents, to the residence. He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them.”


FBI agents took more than 20 boxes of material along with other items labeled top secret. Some were even described as “various classified/TS/SCI documents,” using the abbreviation for “sensitive compartmented information.” Such information is supposed to be viewed in a special, secure facility called a SCIF.

[F5 Dave]

. . ..

Sky News is owned by Murdoch and it's very bit as reliable as FOX which he also owns. If you watch that shit it will rot your brain.

. . .

Don't waste your breath R666 has already rotted his brain. Probably not an impressive organ to start with. Is capable of keeping him breathing while asleep. So, you know, isn't quite as stupid as silly putty. Congratulations.

[Grumph]

There's a quote from John Kelly somewhere in one of the recent books. Security adviser and then Chief of Staff. He had his moment of revelation I think around the withholding of support for Ukraine but it's revealing anyway...."With you it all comes back to Putin, doesn't it" Quoted by one of the staff present. Kelly didn't last much longer in the job after that.

[husaberg]

John Bolton: The former national security adviser Trump administration.
"The fact is that he barely knew where Ukraine was.
He once asked John Kelly, his second chief of staff, if Finland were a part of Russia."
"Trump talked to Putin—about forming a “cybersecurity unit” with Russia to combat “election hacking”
Trump to John Kelly: “Well, Hitler did a lot of good things.”

FAF

The Trump administration is attempting to block the John Boltons book's publication, scheduled for June 23 2022, by claiming that it still contains classified information—but it’s unclear whether the Justice Department lawsuit will actually stop the book from being published.

[pritch]

Exciting goings on in Trump world. A new explanation every day for having presidential documents in his possession. The most creative might be that he considered a document was declassified when he removed it from the White House, just because he removed it. A laugh a minute.

Garland was a bit smarter than that though. None of the reasons listed for the search warrant requires the documents to be classified.

As is often the case, one of Trump's laywers now needs a lawyer. Presumably, Trump having assured her he was not holding any documents, she testified to that effect. Lying to the FBI is a crime.

Law enforcement in the US categorise people as a person of interest, a subject, or a target of an inquiry. You don't want to be a target. The criminal inquiry into the Georgia election iregularities has named Trump's personal lawyer at the time, Rudy Giuliani, as a target of the inquiry. Another Trump lawyer who now needs a lawyer.

Oh! And Trump claims the FBI stole his passports. That's interesting. Passports are usually seized to prevent someobdy fleeing the country. Another, less common reason, is that the passport could be evidence of crime. One commentator, Glen Kirschner, thinks there may be more than one search warrant in play.

[pritch]

There is now an explanation of why Rudy was told he's a target. He is shortly to appear for questioning in the Georgia criminal case. If someone is a target the prosecution has to tell them so that they are aware of the seriousness of their situation. It's about fairness basically. So Rudy will probably just keep pleading the fifth as did his former client Trump, who did that some 440 times in New York.

[husaberg]

T If Rudy will probably just keep pleading the fifth as did his former client Trump, who did that some 440 times in New York.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-i-have-friends-that-are-very-wealthy-and-i-said-do-you-get-audited-they-don-t-even-know-donald-trump-148-58-05.jpghttps://i.imgflip.com/6pk2wq.jpghttps://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-942e2d1cda2e0df79884fa679de0db0d-pjlq
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[TheDemonLord]

Firstly - considering the litany of Crimes Hunter Biden has videotaped himself committing (when is his FBI Raid going to happen?) I'd be really quiet about calling the Trump family 'Criminal'.

The comparison isn't favourable.

However - one of the CBS journalists uncovered this:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-declassification-certain-materials-related-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/

Looks like a Memo declassifying certain documents. On the date that the boxes of documents were moved to Mar-a-Lago.

Now, we don't know that the boxes of documents are all related to the above memo, but the timing suggests that this is what it relates to.

[1/32 man]

I'd be really quiet about calling the Trump family 'Criminal'.

Why? What are they going to do?

[pritch]

Firstly - considering the litany of Crimes Hunter Biden has videotaped himself committing (when is his FBI Raid going to happen?) I'd be really quiet about calling the Trump family 'Criminal'.

I shouldn't have looked but...

Litany of crimes? What crimes? The only shot I saw recently looked like a mental illness episode. Oh, and remind me please, what political office is Hunter Biden running for?




The comparison isn't favourable. .
In that you are right at least. It isn't favourable, it's laughable.


[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131205257]
Looks like a Memo declassifying certain documents. On the date that the boxes of documents were moved to Mar-a-Lago. [?QUOTE]

It does. None of the offences listed on the search warrant require the material to be classified though.
Any documents were held illegally classified or not. Trump had lied about having them and had refused several approaches to hand them over.
It's irrelevant, but if any of the papers relate to nuclear material Trump did not have the power to declassify them anyway.

So having confrimed your posts are still detached from reality I'll resist temptation for a while.

Sorry Dave.

[pritch]

A search for "Hunter Biden's crimes" provides this as the first result.

https://news.yahoo.com/voices-know-heinous-crimes-hunter-152616947.html

[TheDemonLord]

I shouldn't have looked but...

Litany of crimes? What crimes? The only shot I saw recently looked like a mental illness episode.

Illegal Drugs, Prostitution, Internet searches that would get you a visit with Chris Hansen, some pictures taken with Females in Bikinis who look rather youthful.

As just one example (the others I won't post for obvious reasons): Here's him Smoking a Crack Pipe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX0wEBAxY1o)

And that's without the dubious payments from overseas entities and '10% for the Big Guy'


Oh, and remind me please, what political office is Hunter Biden running for?

The same one Trump's Family is running for - yet that didn't stop Husa bringing it up, repeatedly, did it? The Door was opened - and now I'm walking through it.


In that you are right at least. It isn't favourable, it's laughable.

Indeed, because if anyone of Trump's family did 1/10th the things that Hunter alone has filmed himself doing - we both know what would be reported...


It does. None of the offences listed on the search warrant require the material to be classified though.
Any documents were held illegally classified or not. Trump had lied about having them and had refused several approaches to hand them over.

Is your memory working okay?


A new explanation every day for having presidential documents in his possession. The most creative might be that he considered a document was declassified when he removed it from the White House, just because he removed it.

So, now that I post up the actual Memo that seems he followed the correct process - you are now saying it doesn't matter if they were classified?!?

Trump lies about them? We have the timeline that shows when the Archives asked for things, he sent them back, Then when the FBI asked for him to add a padlock to the storage area, he complied. When they Subpoena'd the CCTV footgage, he complied - how on earth does that constitute a refusal?


It's irrelevant, but if any of the papers relate to nuclear material Trump did not have the power to declassify them anyway.

There is nothing in either the Search Warrant or the receipt from the raid that mentions Nuclear. So unless there's some actual proof, this is just more made-up lies by the MSM.


So having confrimed your posts are still detached from reality I'll resist temptation for a while.

It's funny how you pull the detached from reality card, right after I'm able to point to iron-clad proof, from a US Government website that Trump followed the correct process and used executive powers that were granted to him by his office.

I guess it's easier to point the finger than admit that the news sources you trust are clearly lieing through their teeth.

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/E1zup6iAUVs

[F5 Dave]

And the fuking dork(s) think we here are all Biden fans. No one is. Not here at least. America is a cesspool. Just Trump stood out as the most Turd ridden.

[Laava]

Yep, a senile piss stained old crony beat Trump fair and square in the election. And america is better off! 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
It's funny cos it's true!

[TheDemonLord]

And the fuking dork(s) think we here are all Biden fans. No one is. Not here at least. America is a cesspool. Just Trump stood out as the most Turd ridden.

Okay then - prove it.

Critique Biden with the same zeal that you do Trump. And lord knows, there's more than enough material to work with.

But you never do.

It's one rule for those that oppose the status quo and a different rule for those that conform to it.

[pritch]

Yep, a senile piss stained old crony beat Trump fair and square in the election. And america is better off! ��������������
It's funny cos it's true!

A battle of the old fogies it was. Trump is reputed to wear nappies, but I haven't seen any suggestion that Biden does. Be hard to ride a bike in nappies.
But yeah, 70 million Yanks literally got no idea how lucky they are.

[TheDemonLord]

is that how trump supporters account for trumps activities But but bidens son....


So, you literally post a screed of memes, including multiple ones referencing Trump's family, but the moment someone mentions Biden's Son it's somehow beyond the pail or irrelevant.

One rule for Trump, one for Biden...

[husaberg]

I shouldn't have looked but...

Litany of crimes? What crimes? The only shot I saw recently looked like a mental illness episode. Oh, and remind me please, what political office is Hunter Biden running for?


Sorry Dave.

Is that how trump supporters account for trumps activities........... But.... but....but,,,, bidens son....

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/uploads/2021/08/SwampedALL.png



Yep, a senile piss stained old crony beat Trump fair and square in the election. And america is better off! ��������������
It's funny cos it's true!

Trump called biden the worst candidate in history, yet he lost to him. this is with the religious right and the NRA and GOP's vast money behind trump. He was a sitting US pres yet he still lost. He had Free 24/7 coverage on FOX and Rupert Murdoch's other institution backing him 24/7
he inherited a booming US economy.
Image now with all of this if the US voter thought that you were that shit that you lost to Biden.;)

[pritch]

Interesting. In an ongoing case in the Southern District of New York, Allan Weiselberg has entered a guilty plea. He will receive a short prison sentence and will testify against the Trump Organisation later this year.

That's important because Weiselberg is the Chief Financial Officer of the Trump organisation. He knows all about the money. Weiselberg would be well advised to stay clear of tall buildings and railway stations for the rest of the year.

[husaberg]

Interesting. In an ongoing case in the Southern District of New York, Allan Weiselberg has entered a guilty plea. He will receive a short prison sentence and will testify against the Trump Organisation later this year.

That's important because Weiselberg is the Chief Financial Officer of the Trump organisation. He knows all about the money. Weiselberg would be well advised to stay clear of tall buildings and railway stations for the rest of the year.

As he Allan Weiselberg is pleading guilty, that kind of undercuts the Trump organizations defense to at own trial for the same charges (due to start in Oct)
Where they have claimed that no crimes were committed.:laugh:

The trump organisation faces a host of charges including falsifying business records and conspiracy.

Oh dear.

In the indictment, the Trump Organization and Weisselberg are accused of having defrauded tax authorities over 15 years by awarding “off-the-books” benefits to company executives.
Weisselberg was charged with evading $1.7 million of income, including rent for a Manhattan apartment, lease payments for two Mercedes-Benz vehicles and tuition for family members, with Trump signing checks for the tuition himself.
Donald Trump went to the Supreme Court twice, to try to block the investigation that led to these charges.

Trump called the case “political witch hunt,” has said his company’s actions were standard practice in the real estate business and in no way a crime.
Yet during the deposition Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination more than 400 times.
You know the fifth amendment protection to protect him from incriminating himself for crimes that he has committed......:niceone:

[pritch]

The Trump supporters outside Mar A Lago, demonstrating against the FBI searches, have been denied access to toilets on site. Of course.

Ivanka Trump and her husband refused to let their Secret Service protectors use any of the six toilets in their house. The Secret Service had to rent a nearby property just to access a toilet.

[Laava]

What will they do? especially when they are so full of shit!

[R650R]

The Chinese built a wall you don’t see many Mexicans there 😂😂😂😂😂😂


https://youtu.be/TsKDO-r5STc

[pritch]

Trump has been busyng himself looking for a lawyer. No serious law firm will touch him with a bargepole. Remarkably enough though, he has found one. The guy has made a name for himself defending rappers. Unlike most Trump lawyers though, he is considered effective.

[F5 Dave]

Meh, he'll fall foul of the curse of the Trump lawyer.

But this could be the first to Get a Cap in his Ass.

(no I'm not promoting this violence, just making play of the rapper association).

[TheDemonLord]

So, technically not Trump - but this is a new Governor advert from Ron DeSantis, now - put all the Politics to one side (which is really difficult considering it's Ron) - How Cool is this Ad?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwnsVTM-YA

- Fighter Jets? Check.
- Contemporary Culture reference? Check.
- Aviator Sunglasses? Check.
- Cute Kid in Bomber jacket and proud Dad? Check.

Even if you don't like him - the Ad is seriously cool.

[Laava]

Oh well, I hope all this pressure is making life miserable for the fat orange cunt. Fuck him, he needs to be accountable for his bullshit!😁😁😁

[F5 Dave]

Holding people to account for Fuckwittery is the American way.

. . . Oh, hold on. In that cesspit, Fuckwittery is often rewarded.

[1/32 man]

I likem, I could be bothered reading them coz they were short, I agree with them.

It will be a great day for the world when turrump has gone down to where bad people go.

[F5 Dave]

Palmerston North?

[husaberg]

Waimate.....or Gore
I am not sure which is worse its a shame unstuck is not here, as he was mayor of both....

[pritch]

Waimate.....or Gore
I am not sure which is worse its a shame unstuck is not here, as he was mayor of both....

Careful, you could upset Scumdog down there in the Riviera of the South. When somebody mentioned places where bad people go Huntly came to mind. Although I don't think they need to import bad people, they seem to have their own supply.

[husaberg]

Careful, you could upset Scumdog down there in the Riviera of the South. When somebody mentioned places where bad people go Huntly came to mind. Although I don't think they need to import bad people, they seem to have their own supply.

Huntly is as far as i know like a glamorous Monaco version of Westport

[F5 Dave]

Yeah whatever happened to unstuck? :eek:

[husaberg]

Yeah whatever happened to unstuck? :eek:

Moved to Nelson and became a hippy and is some sort of big wig in the Tasman gerbiling scene, so no time to talk to the common people.

[pritch]

Huntly is as far as i know like a glamorous Monaco version of Westport

It may have something in common with Westport. The new motorway bypasses Huntly.

It seems Westport is easily bypassed too. None of my circuits of the South Island took me there.

Oh, and I’ve been seeing comments that Trump’s Truth Social is in trouble. It’s reported now that they have over a million and a half dollars worth of *overdue* debt. Bankruptcy number seven coming up?

[husaberg]

It may have something in common with Westport. The new motorway bypasses Huntly.

It seems Westport is easily bypassed too. None of my circuits of the South Island took me there.

Oh, and I’ve been seeing comments that Trump’s Truth Social is in trouble. It’s reported now that they have over a million and a half dollars worth of *overdue* debt. Bankruptcy number seven coming up?

One of the best roads in the South island is the Coast road Greymouth to about 4km south of Westport
to carry on to Karamea is worth it but its a dead end. if you don't want to go to karamea the lower Buller gorge then upper buller gorge to Murchison is great.

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/kRMrW_2p1HQ

[pritch]

The heavily redacted FBI affidavit attached to the Mar a Lago search warrant has been released. It's available as a PDF download - 38 pages. It doesn't contain much of interest but it does detail the classifiactions of some of the documents found in the first fifteen boxes. It probably doesn't reveal what Trump wanted. It's thought that he didn't oppose the release because he believes there is a leaker. He was hoping there would be something that would indicate who the leaker is.

In case anyone is wondering, it's unusual for such an affidavit to be released at this stage, if only in part. It would normally be handed to the defence lawyer(s) when someone is charged.

[TheDemonLord]

The heavily redacted FBI affidavit attached to the Mar a Lago search warrant has been released. It's available as a PDF download - 38 pages. It doesn't contain much of interest but it does detail the classifiactions of some of the documents found in the first fifteen boxes. It probably doesn't reveal what Trump wanted. It's thought that he didn't oppose the release because he believes there is a leaker. He was hoping there would be something that would indicate who the leaker is.

In case anyone is wondering, it's unusual for such an affidavit to be released at this stage, if only in part. It would normally be handed to the defence lawyer(s) when someone is charged.

Any references to Nuclear Material? I mean - that was the story, right? According to some anonymous source (Totally not made up by a hostile media)?

[pritch]

Further to my earlier comment in #4114..

If you are unfamiliar with this guy's work a sarcasm warning might be appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmADwjSogjI

[pritch]

Any references to Nuclear Material? I mean - that was the story, right? According to some anonymous source (Totally not made up by a hostile media)?


The comments in the affidavit refer to the first fifteen boxes from back in January to justify the seriousness of whatever Trump was holding back in spite of multiple requests. Try and keep up.

[TheDemonLord]

The comments in the affidavit refer to the first fifteen boxes from back in January to justify the seriousness of whatever Trump was holding back in spite opf multiple requests. Try and keep up.

So that's a No then, No reference to Nuclear Material. Glad we've confirmed that little bit of Fake News is, in fact, fake.

And 'holding back' - you mean complying with both the National records and the FBI (remember - it was the FBI that asked him to add additional security measures to where the docs were stored, which was complied with).

[1/32 man]

hey Demon Lord, are you a sympathiser/supporter of the "orange cunt" or just a truth seeker?

Either way you are on shakey ground....us normal folks will never know the truth.
We just have to rely on our bullshitometer with what comes down the fibre optic cable, I guess, and anything originating form the "orange cunt" makes my bullshitometer needle flick over to maximum warning status.

[pritch]

Within the many pages of material classified as confidential, secret and top secret, there are sub classifications. These look serious enough that they would not be out of place as evidence in an espionage trial. Some of the sub classification are explained in the attachment.

[pritch]

So that's a No then, No reference to Nuclear Material. Glad we've confirmed that little bit of Fake News is, in fact, fake.

And 'holding back' - you mean complying with both the National records and the FBI (remember - it was the FBI that asked him to add additional security measures to where the docs were stored, which was complied with).

It's not a no. It's a wait and see.

There were multiple requests from the NARA and the FBI, all of which were ignored. Surveilance indicated the boxes were being moved and the FBI acted.
Nobody else would have received one request. They'd have just been locked up. As was Reality Winner who leaked a document proving Russian election interference.

[pritch]

hey Demon Lord, are you a sympathiser/supporter of the "orange cunt" or just a truth seeker?

Either way you are on shakey ground....us normal folks will never know the truth.
We just have to rely on our bullshitometer with what comes down the fibre optic cable, I guess, and anything originating form the "orange cunt" makes my bullshitometer needle flick over to maximum warning status.

Oh he is team orange. Beyond all reason.

[TheDemonLord]

hey Demon Lord, are you a sympathiser/supporter of the "orange cunt" or just a truth seeker?

Yes, I like Trump.

In addition to that, I have a particular fascination with otherwise sane and normal people who have an unreasonable hatred of Trump. Mainly because the Media has lied to them.

Now, to be clear - when I say unreasonable, I don't mean that there isn't plenty to genuinely dislike Trump on - there is.

There is also a lot positive to say about both him and his Presidency.


Either way you are on shakey ground....us normal folks will never know the truth.
We just have to rely on our bullshitometer with what comes down the fibre optic cable, I guess, and anything originating form the "orange cunt" makes my bullshitometer needle flick over to maximum warning status.

How So? I'm not the one making the Claim - What I'm relishing in, is highlighting the obvious hypocrisy:

People complain about how Trump lies all the time, yet those same people who are up-in-arms about 'Trump Lying' believe wholesale that Trump was hoarding Nuclear secrets, based on a news 'story' that was based on 'an anonymous source' - AKA they made shit up.

A story that on the face of it, doesn't make any sense. So now, I'm taking great delight as each new revelation on the story is unfurled - asking Pritch if there is any basis for the Fake News story that he not only swallowed Hook, line and sinker but propagated.

And at each Juncture when he could U-Turn and admit that the Media was lying to him - he doesn't.

[TheDemonLord]

It's not a no. It's a wait and see.

So that is a No then.

Either there is a reference to Nuclear info in the Affadavit or there isn't.

And as above - it's the double standard by which you defend something from an anonymous source for which there is no documented basis - yet if this was the reverse, you'd be crowing from the top of the tallest tower about how all Trump supporters are blind and delusional.


There were multiple requests from the NARA and the FBI, all of which were ignored.

So, in January 2022 - when he sent back 15 boxes, that was somehow ignoring a request?
And in June 2022 - when the FBI inspected the storage area and various documents were handed over, that was somehow ignoring a request?
Then again in June - when the FBI asked for a stronger lock to be placed and “be preserved in that room in their current condition until further notice.” - that's somehow ignoring a request?
Then when they were subpoenaed for Surveillance records, that request was somehow ignored?

I mean - that sounds like a whole lot of co-operation to me.


Surveilance indicated the boxes were being moved and the FBI acted.
Nobody else would have received one request. They'd have just been locked up.

Interesting point... No one else would have recieved a Request? They'd just have been locked up, right?

I mean, I dunno about you - but I'm still waiting for the Digitised versions of Obama's records to be put online - his foundation has had 5 years...


As was Reality Winner who leaked a document proving Russian election interference.

Just imagine if everyone who believed the Russian Interference Hoax was treated with as much scorn as those who said the Election was Stolen.

Imagine.

[TheDemonLord]

Oh he is team orange. Beyond all reason.

Well, I like no international wars, low inflation, booming economy, cheap fuel, secured borders.

But no, no reason at all....

[pritch]

Not getting into a long back and forth with TDL. Been there, done that.

He said The January 6 insurrection wasn't a coup attempt. It was.

He pointed out the people prosecuted were getting laughable sentences. They were when prosecutors were going after the small fry. They are working their way up the food chain, the prosecution has asked for a seventeen year sentence now. That's no laughing matter..

The suggestion that there may be nuclear documents in Trump's possession is stil live. The little information released so far relates to the first fifteen boxes received in January. Nothing has been released concerning the documents seized under the recent search warrant.

The nuclear aspect was only relevant because Trump made up a yarn that anything he took to Mar a Lago was automatically declassified. That's completely silly of course.
If there were nuclear documents, even the president cannot declassify those. Garland was more astute than that though. None of the charges listed in the search warrant require the material to be classified. Any presidential material he had was held illegally.

We await developments with interest.

[TheDemonLord]

Not getting into a long back and forth with TDL. Been there, done that.

He said The January 6 insurrection wasn't a coup attempt. It was.

Ah yes, an Insurrection... In America... By the people that love their 2nd Amendment... Who hold to the idea that private ownership of Firearms is a deterrent against Government Tyranny... An Insurrection... Where none of them bothered to bring a Gun.


He pointed out the people prosecuted were getting laughable sentences. They were when prosecutors were going after the small fry. They are working their way up the food chain, the prosecution has asked for a seventeen year sentence now. That's no laughing matter..

So - riddle me this then - why didn't they start at the top?


The suggestion that there may be nuclear documents in Trump's possession is stil live. The little information released so far relates to the first fifteen boxes received in January. Nothing has been released concerning the documents seized under the recent search warrant.

So it's a baseless accusation then.

Literally made up by the MSM - and yet you still cling to it.


The nuclear aspect was only relevant because Trump made up a yarn that anything he took to Mar a Lago was automatically declassified. That's completely silly of course.

Except I've posted the document that backs this up - where he followed the correct process.

You may as well say that Trump had documents on Roswell and the Kennedy assassination - afterall, you've got the exact same level of proof, unverifiable word from an anonymous source.


If there were nuclear documents, even the president cannot declassify those.

If there were UFO at Area 51 Documents... Same level of Proof that you don't have.


Garland was more astute than that though. None of the charges listed in the search warrant require the material to be classified. Any presidential material he had was held illegally.

We await developments with interest.

Well, if the last 7 years is anything to go by: We'll find out that it's all been one big made-up hoax to try and discredit Trump and to prevent him from becoming President again.

Also - Any word on Ol' Zuck's admission that the FBI basically requested Facebook to censure the Hunter Biden Laptop? I mean if you were a partisan organization - then actively using the might of the federal government to surpress information that made your guy look bad, then maliciously raiding your political rival would be par for the course....

Oh. Wait...

[Stylo]

Not getting into a long back and forth with TDL. Been there, done that.

He said The January 6 insurrection wasn't a coup attempt. It was.

He pointed out the people prosecuted were getting laughable sentences. They were when prosecutors were going after the small fry. They are working their way up the food chain, the prosecution has asked for a seventeen year sentence now. That's no laughing matter..

The suggestion that there may be nuclear documents in Trump's possession is stil live. The little information released so far relates to the first fifteen boxes received in January. Nothing has been released concerning the documents seized under the recent search warrant.

The nuclear aspect was only relevant because Trump made up a yarn that anything he took to Mar a Lago was automatically declassified. That's completely silly of course.
If there were nuclear documents, even the president cannot declassify those. Garland was more astute than that though. None of the charges listed in the search warrant require the material to be classified. Any presidential material he had was held illegally.

We await developments with interest.

Thanks for that. Trump is the worlds clown and looking sillier as the days go by, as are his supporters . No wonder why even the Republican party is choosing to ignore him now. The idiot is running out of friends, this is funny...

[pete376403]

You (TDL) take that stance that if you dont see it it never happened:
The affadavit - so much is redacted within those 38 pages it is impossible to say that there was no reference to nuclear material or anything else.

The insurrection "none of them bothered to bring a gun" you know this how? Was every attendee searched?
Myth 2
People involved in the Capitol riot were not "armed" because they did not have any guns.

The Facts
At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building. Other defendants are suspected of possessing guns during the riot but, like the vast majority of the estimated 800 rioters, were not searched that day.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used

[F5 Dave]

No. Its not funny.

The Republicans are not ignoring him. Many still see him as the saviour as they seem to be as incapable as the demonkrats of putting up a real living candidate.

As President apparently he didn't have to sign a security document like everyone else does. So others could take his fall. Its the American way.

Don't think there isn't a chance he won't get elected again by those stupid redneck motherfondlers.

[TheDemonLord]

You (TDL) take that stance that if you dont see it it never happened:
The affadavit - so much is redacted within those 38 pages it is impossible to say that there was no reference to nuclear material or anything else.

You miss the point. The point is that there is no evidence credible or otherwise that there was anything to do with Nuclear Material, yet certain media outlets put out stories claiming it to be such, to the point that Pritch posted and repeated the baseless claim.

Now - it's possible, as you say, that in some of the redacted info there might have been references to Nuclear Material - however as each new detail is revealed (and no reference to Nuclear material is present) it removes one such avenue for this claim to be true.

And I'm pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.


The insurrection "none of them bothered to bring a gun" you know this how? Was every attendee searched?

I know this how? That's a good question. If only there were protests in America that happened in recent times about the overreach of Government.

Like this (https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ccfd25d3aeb52516bc3048b9b0b0a73150a6c52c/0_518_3500_2101/master/3500.jpg?width=620&quality=45&fit=max&dpr=2&)

Or this (https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/virginia-1-rt-er-200120_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg)

Oh and before anyone plays the Race card that it's only Angry White People... (https://www.wvxu.org/local-news/2021-06-03/national-black-militia-leader-with-tri-state-ties-we-dont-protest-we-respond)

That is what I expect an Insurrection in the United states to look like.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"

Now - if anyone can show me evidence from the Capitol Riot that showed significant numbers of Citizens who looked like that, then I'll change my tune. Until then, as I said above - An insurrection, by the 2A loving Right-wing, against Government Tyranny who forgot to bring their Guns...

That's a Tui Ad moment right there.



Myth 2
People involved in the Capitol riot were not "armed" because they did not have any guns.

The Facts
At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building. Other defendants are suspected of possessing guns during the riot but, like the vast majority of the estimated 800 rioters, were not searched that day.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used

Oh wow 3 whole people?!? In America?!? Where there are more legally owned Firearms than People?!?

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks for that. Trump is the worlds clown and looking sillier as the days go by, as are his supporters .

Quite the Contrary - Biden is showing the world how good Trump actually was :D


No wonder why even the Republican party is choosing to ignore him now. The idiot is running out of friends, this is funny...

Is that why the majority of Trump-backed candidates are winning in their State Election?

Or do you believe Liz Cheney (Cheney! hah!) that she'll be President?

[pete376403]

Well ok but the amendment says about the right to "bear arms" - not guns per se. Arms = weapons. There were lots of weapons carried and being used.

[TheDemonLord]

No. Its not funny.

The Republicans are not ignoring him. Many still see him as the saviour as they seem to be as incapable as the demonkrats of putting up a real living candidate.

As President apparently he didn't have to sign a security document like everyone else does. So others could take his fall. Its the American way.

Don't think there isn't a chance he won't get elected again by those stupid redneck motherfondlers.

Oh it's hilarious alright, The Democrats are doing just about everything within their power to get Trump re-elected.

And given all the crap that the Biden Administration has pulled - the Republicans would be justified in a little political Revenge.

The most recent one being the Student Loan forgiveness is splitting the Democrat voterbase - on the one hand you have all the Leftist activists with useless degrees in the grievance studies complaining that Biden isn't going far enough, then you've got the more sensible Democrats (the actual left-wing types who aren't raving Marxists) pointing out that this is taxing the poor working men and women to pay for some entitled Middle-class twat - and it's not going down well.

Even the overturn of Roe (which some Democrats were hoping would boost their cause) isn't having the effect they'd hoped.

Bring on the Mid-Terms

[TheDemonLord]

Well ok but the amendment says about the right to "bear arms" - not guns per se. Arms = weapons. There were lots of weapons carried and being used.

Indeed, but Guns are the frontline weapon of choice currently.

The weapons that were carried were ones of opportunity.

And here is where my view on the matter stems:

It was definitely a Riot, there are definitely people who should be charged with Vandalism, destruction of property etc. In the same breath - it was not an Insurrection - attempted or otherwise.

Mainly because we have comparable protests where there was an element of intimidation against the government from the People - and in all of them, because of America (it's laws, values and Traditions) we see large numbers of people heavily armed.

In the abscence of that, no - it was not an Insurrection. Riot yes, insurrection no

[pritch]

The insurrection "none of them bothered to bring a gun" you know this how? Was every attendee searched?


That's sadly typical. There were people there with rifles. There were reportedly also large caches of weapons stored nearby. There are recordings of police radio comms reporting on the movements of people carrying rifles. One such had set himself up in a tree with a view of proceedings.

When Trump was told that the crowd were not entering the enclosed area in front of the speakers' platform because they were armed and there were metal detectors, he ordered the metal detectors to be removed because the crowd was not there to hurt him.

If you ignore all the evidence it wasn't a coup attempt. Even if the people who study such events professionally say it was.

[TheDemonLord]

That's sadly typical. There were people there with rifles. There were reportedly also large caches of weapons stored nearby. There are recordings of police radio comms reporting on the movements of people carrying rifles. One such had set himself up in a tree with a view of proceedings.

When Trump was told that the crowd were not entering the enclosed area in front of the speakers' platform because they were armed and there were metal detectors, he ordered the metal detectors to be removed because the crowd was not there to hurt him.

If you ignore all the evidence it wasn't a coup attempt. Even if the people who study such events professionally say it was.

Reportedly...
Reportedly...

So no actual evidence then....

Just like that Nuclear Material, eh?

[R650R]

Reportedly...
Reportedly...

So no actual evidence then....

Just like that Nuclear Material, eh?

Nice :)

And if this was a coup attempt by armed insurrection why did nobody get shot by the various security services except the young lady inside the main building... which almost could have been motivated by the idea to send the protestors over the edge but Instead they mostly behaved peacefully.

Meanwhile here’s what a real coup looks like


https://youtu.be/NgsF4UI6nRo

[pritch]

Nice :)

but Instead they mostly behaved peacefully.



Full blown delusion.

[pritch]

For those who may not remember, and we have a couple. Jenna Ellis was one of Trump's idiot legal team. The team that lost over sixty cases and who now need lawyers themselves.

[Stylo]

For those who may not remember, and we have a couple. Jenna Ellis was one of Trump's idiot legal team. The team that lost over sixty cases and who now need lawyers themselves.

I'm interested that the Republican party en masse have been so quiet. Where are you Mitch ? Ted Cruz ?

Trump must be feeling the love but, not quite how it was

[husaberg]

https://youtu.be/3Ak463A7uEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0iUv6G36vA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw5pRSbc6Iw

[pritch]

Meanwhile here’s what a real coup looks like


Had you actually watched that clip you should have noticed that it was a military coup. A general was taking power. That is one kind of coup. The professionals divide types of coup into different categories. Unsurprisingly Trump's failed coup attempt was in a different category, but it was still an attempted coup.

[pritch]

Love it...

[F5 Dave]

Morons, Mormons, R666, TDL, just stupid people everywhere.

How do they keep remembering to breath? 'Cause fuck they are stupid.

[TheDemonLord]

Had you actually watched that clip you should have noticed that it was a military coup. A general was taking power. That is one kind of coup. The professionals divide types of coup into different categories. Unsurprisingly Trump's failed coup attempt was in a different category, but it was still an attempted coup.

And these So-Called Professionals, they wouldn't have any political Bias now would they? I mean - it's not like we've endured 2 or so years of politicized 'Experts' who claimed one thing, only for it to be shown to be at best marginal and at worst outright wrong.

If you want to call it a coup - then sure, you do you - the lack of heavily armed Militia Citizens, again in the American Context, is more than enough rebuttal that it was a serious attempt to overthrow the Government.

[TheDemonLord]

Morons, Mormons, R666, TDL, just stupid people everywhere.

How do they keep remembering to breath? 'Cause fuck they are stupid.

And yet, time has been awfully kind to my point of view...

Biden proving just how good Trump was.
Consequences of the Lockdowns/Covid Policy in general showing just how wrong they were.
The shootings in Auckland showing just how bad the new Firearm laws are.
The public finally seeing just how reprehensible and terrible Jacinda is.

Perhaps uncommon Wisdom only looks stupid on the surface...

[pritch]

Shona Laing sang that she was glad she wasn't a Kennedy. She must be ecstatic she's not a Trump.

News of the day is that the Republican Party, which has been paying Trump's many legal bills, has told Trump he's on his own with respect to any legal expenses arising from the mishandling of documents. Trump has been firing off all sorts of insane Q crap on Truth Social as might be expected, but it's whatever else he may do that is of interest.

The Republican party has been paying Trumps legal bills, which probably run to many millions. Some of the major donors are evidently nervous at how things are going and have not been forthcoming. Their war chest is depleted with electtions looming.

Trump expects absolute loyalty, the first time anyone hesitates to back him he turns on them. If he does that in this instance it could be interesting. The party is still paying his other bills, if he did anything too dramatic that could come up for review. Whatever, Trump is having a baaaaad day.

A little nostalgia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a6hu6Z7Pkg

[pritch]

Document security at Mar a Lago.

[TheDemonLord]

Document security at Mar a Lago.

I think it's time to talk about the dishonesty going on here.

You can see the little Evidence marker and the storage box - which means this is after:

1: The FBI broke the Lock they asked to be placed on the Storage Location
2: The FBI have removed the Storage box from the location
3: Have removed everything from the Storage Box
4: Have arranged it on the floor (so that all the headers are visible)

And yet somehow, despite the detail in the picture telling you that this is clearly done by the FBI, you make a post as if this is somehow a negative thing against Trump?

I often make the point at how there is an irrational hatred of Trump - And this is a perfect example of it - Despite the picture clearly being staged for evidentiary reasons by the FBI (which is their want in a situation like this) - you use it to make a dig at Trump.

[1/32 man]

I often make the point at how there is an irrational hatred of Trump

and I say there is an irrational love of trumpe.....

[TheDemonLord]

and I say there is an irrational love of trumpe.....

To be fair, Trumpets are pretty delicious...

And sure - there are some people with an irrational love of Trump.

What my observation has been is that the more ridiculous the Left Wing (Government, Media, Social Media et all) go unfairly after Trump, the more that galvanizes the support for him.

I'll be honest here - at this point, whenever there is a Negative news story about Trump, my first reaction (which is usually proved correct in time) is that it's a web of lies based on a combination of wild extrapolation of facts, 'An Anonymous source', pyramid of Citations and lies by omissions.

The topical example of this du jour is that Trump was holding Nuclear Documents.

Past examples include the Russia Hoax, telling his followers to Inject Bleach, Mexicans are Murders and Rapists, Fallen Soldiers are cowards, Trump taking the wheel and fighting off Secret Service Agents, Or doctoring Tweets in Impechment proceedings or (the list goes on and on).

[pritch]

I think it's time to talk about the dishonesty going on here.

You can see the little Evidence marker and the storage box - which means this is after:

1: The FBI broke the Lock they asked to be placed on the Storage Location
2: The FBI have removed the Storage box from the location
3: Have removed everything from the Storage Box
4: Have arranged it on the floor (so that all the headers are visible)

And yet somehow, despite the detail in the picture telling you that this is clearly done by the FBI, you make a post as if this is somehow a negative thing against Trump?

I often make the point at how there is an irrational hatred of Trump - And this is a perfect example of it - Despite the picture clearly being staged for evidentiary reasons by the FBI (which is their want in a situation like this) - you use it to make a dig at Trump.


I shouldn't do this but here goes... You seem to have missed a lot of what had been going on. The documents were not all in a locked room. Some were, others were in the drawer of Trump's desk. Some others were stored in the swimming pool 'shed.' They were in multiple unsecure places. The Washington Post is tryng to establish what room that photo was taken in. All of your points above are unfounded speculation on your part.

Trump has asked for a "Special Master" some two weeks after the search warrant was executed. That is ridiculous, the time to do that is when the warrant is produced. For those who don't know, in an instance like this there are two teams involved: the investigation team and a 'taint' team. The taint team goes through the papers first and remove anything potentially privileged. If a special master (a retired judge?) was appointed that person would decide what was priveleged and what was not. It's too late for that, that work has already been done. Whether Trump's lawyers are incompetent (highly likely) or he is just playing for time, I don't know.

The 'inexperienced' Trump appointed federal judge told the Justice Department that she was thinking of granting the request. The DoJ replied with 36 page document, almost double the length of the normal reply, incicating why that was inappropriate. To make sure the judge got the message they included illustrations such as the one I posted here.
We await the judges decision.

This morning I see that even the Fox talking heads Karl Rove and Steve Doocey are makiing the point that Trump had the documents illegally.

There is no 'irrational' hatred of Trump, he is a life long conman and should never have been allowed near high office. That's not a secret.

[TheDemonLord]

I shouldn't do this but here goes... You seem to have missed a lot of what had been going on. The documents were not all in a locked room. Some were, others were in the drawer of Trump's desk. Some others were stored in the swimming pool 'shed.' They were in multiple unsecure places. The Washington Post is tryng to establish what room that photo was taken in. All of your points above are unfounded speculation on your part.

Okay - let's take the last part first:

If the WaPo is trying to establish where that was taken, then the prudent and rational thing would be to wait. However, if you wanted to dishonestly smear them, then you'd do exactly what you did.

Furthermore - where the photo was taking proves nothing, because if I'm taking a document box out of Storage and spreading things on the floor to photograph it's contents, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that I might move it to make the job of photographing the contents easier.

As for 'Unfounded Speculation' - How on earth is this unfounded? Or are we using some special definition of Unfounded where anonymous sources mean it totally happened but the actual pictures taken by the FBI aren't pictures taken by the FBI?

Now - onto the next bit - you have Documents, in a desk drawer, in a private office. I'm going out on a limb here - but a private office is generally Locked and a Desk Drawer is generally locked.

It's also where he kept his Passports. I dunno about you, but I keep important documents my Passport, Marriage cert etc. in a Locked container in a secure location in my house. Hardly meeting the criteria of 'Unsecured'.

The Swimming Pool Shed is, again, a lie from the Washington Post (By the way - got any proof of that Nuclear Claim yet? No? Why do you still believe these lies?) - the reality is that there was a locked Storage unit near the pool. Which is not the same as 'a Swimming Pool shed'.


This morning I see that even the Fox talking heads Karl Rove and Steve Doocey are makiing the point that Trump had the documents illegally.

I don't watch Fox news - I have seen some legal analysis that essentially says 'If you are applying the strictest possible interpretation of the rules, then there could be a case against Trump' - however, many of them are saying that such an interpretation would be unprecedented and would be a massive act of bad faith.

They also point out that this reeks of Desperation because they know they are going to loose massively in the Mid-Terms and unless Biden has a Bush-Esque September 11th Moment, he is going get voted out next round - they are using ever malicious tactic to try and stop Trump from running - because they know they will loose.


There is no 'irrational' hatred of Trump, he is a life long conman and should never have been allowed near high office. That's not a secret.

And yet still did infinitely better as President than the current one.

Less Covid Deaths, Less Wars, Less Inflation, Better Economy, Less Petrol Prices, Less Supply chain issues.

That's not a secret either.

Also - a Lifelong Conman who despite the most intense, politically motivated investigation - still has not been successfully prosecuted for a Crime. Either he's the worlds greatest Conman that he can commit crimes and not get caught (and so is machiavellian enough to run for high office and has the right qualifications to be a Politician - a Liar and a Cheat) or he's innocent and you are wrong.

[pritch]

Okay - let's take the last part first:

If the WaPo is trying to establish where that was taken, then the prudent and rational thing would be to wait. However, if you wanted to dishonestly smear them, then you'd do exactly what you did.

Furthermore - where the photo was taking proves nothing, because if I'm taking a document box out of Storage and spreading things on the floor to photograph it's contents, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that I might move it to make the job of photographing the contents easier.

As for 'Unfounded Speculation' - How on earth is this unfounded? Or are we using some special definition of Unfounded where anonymous sources mean it totally happened but the actual pictures taken by the FBI aren't pictures taken by the FBI?

Now - onto the next bit - you have Documents, in a desk drawer, in a private office. I'm going out on a limb here - but a private office is generally Locked and a Desk Drawer is generally locked.

It's also where he kept his Passports. I dunno about you, but I keep important documents my Passport, Marriage cert etc. in a Locked container in a secure location in my house. Hardly meeting the criteria of 'Unsecured'.

The Swimming Pool Shed is, again, a lie from the Washington Post (By the way - got any proof of that Nuclear Claim yet? No? Why do you still believe these lies?) - the reality is that there was a locked Storage unit near the pool. Which is not the same as 'a Swimming Pool shed'.



I don't watch Fox news - I have seen some legal analysis that essentially says 'If you are applying the strictest possible interpretation of the rules, then there could be a case against Trump' - however, many of them are saying that such an interpretation would be unprecedented and would be a massive act of bad faith.

They also point out that this reeks of Desperation because they know they are going to loose massively in the Mid-Terms and unless Biden has a Bush-Esque September 11th Moment, he is going get voted out next round - they are using ever malicious tactic to try and stop Trump from running - because they know they will loose.



And yet still did infinitely better as President than the current one.

Less Covid Deaths, Less Wars, Less Inflation, Better Economy, Less Petrol Prices, Less Supply chain issues.

That's not a secret either.

Also - a Lifelong Conman who despite the most intense, politically motivated investigation - still has not been successfully prosecuted for a Crime. Either he's the worlds greatest Conman that he can commit crimes and not get caught (and so is machiavellian enough to run for high office and has the right qualifications to be a Politician - a Liar and a Cheat) or he's innocent and you are wrong.


Desperate work there. It really doesn't matter who put the documents on the floor. It also doesn't matter which room it is, as long as it is at Mar a Lago, although apparently the WP want to know. The point is that Trump - and one or more of his lawyers, said all classified documents had been surrendered. That photo is proof of a crime.

The nuclear documents were primarily of interest mainly because Trump said he'd declassified any documents he had. He hadn't, but he had no power to classify nuclear documents. That's all moot now because none of the charges listed by the FBI require the documents to be classified. The fact that he had them at all is a crime.

Nothing in the rest of your post deserves the dignity of a response. Meanwhile we wait.

[TheDemonLord]

Desperate work there. It really doesn't matter who put the documents on the floor. It also doesn't matter which room it is, as long as it is at Mar a Lago, although apparently the WP want to know. The point is that Trump - and one or more of his lawyers, said all classified documents had been surrendered. That photo is proof of a crime.

So firstly - you were the one who posted the picture and claimed it as proof that Trump was disorganized and careless, and now you are trying to walk it back by (when reality was pointed out) that it doesn't matter who put the documents on the floor nor does it matter which room?

Please.

You're missing the part where the FBI said 'Please put a lock on it and await further instruction.

Not to mention the Memo which I posted earlier, available on the White House website, signed by the President, saying he was moving and declassifying documents to Mar-a-Lago (which he does have the absolute right to do so).


The nuclear documents were primarily of interest mainly because Trump said he'd declassified any documents he had. He hadn't, but he had no power to classify nuclear documents.

What.
Nuclear.
Documents.

You keep repeating this, yet there is no evidence that has thus far been produced that there was anything Nuclear.

You may as well be saying 'Well, Trump's posession of the Ark of the Covenant from Indiana Jones is of interest, because only God has the divine power to say who has it' - There is the same level of Proof for that absurd claim as there is for your absurd claim.


That's all moot now because none of the charges listed by the FBI require the documents to be classified. The fact that he had them at all is a crime.

Welll....

Just hold up a minute there Hoss. Since you are saying the FBI are correct in all things - let's just have a read about what they have to say, shall we?

Perhaps about a similar politically contentious case, in recent times, where someone high profile and perhaps a presidential candidate might have 'mishandled' Classified Documents? Let's refresh ourselves with what the standard is for a prosecution and therefore for a 'Crime'....

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system


Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

So, to recap - as per the FBI Hillary and Co were "Extremely Careless in their handling" - so - in your opinion Pritch - You'd no-doubt agree that if everything you've copy-pasta'd from the Washington Post is true - and that it was stored in a Pool Shed - that this was constitute "Extremely Careless Handling", Yes?


From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

So, out of 30,000 emails, 110 had issues and 2,000 were retrospectively classified, so all up 2110 emails, out of 30,000.

I think we can say that this is on-par with 300 documents out of 15 boxes of documents.


Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

There we have the standard, as set out by the then director of the FBI, James Comey in regards to the handling of Classified Material.

And to refresh your memory, Clinton didn't merely remove documents, she had an entirely separate Email Server built and maintained. If that does not reach the level of Intent needed for prosecution, as per the statement of the FBI, then you've got a bit of a problem for you calling it a Crime, don't we - because the standard set-forth by the FBI is pretty clear - Mistakes happen - it's only when you are deliberately doing it or you've got such cast amount of info that it reaches the threshold for Prosecution.

And now a direct question to you Pritch - let's test your integrity:

If you genuinely believe that Trump has committed a crime, then I'd like (in reference to the above standard) for you to acknowledge that clearly Hillary also committed a Crime and that she should be subject to the same treatment as Trump.

If you genuinely believe the FBI and that Hillary didn't deserve to be prosecuted, then I'd like you to acknowledge that neither does Trump.

And before Husa or anyone else posts - My opinion on the Email Server was 'Any attempt to deliberately bypass corporate security measures is grounds for immediate termination' - I never made much of a fuss about what was or was not on the Server - only that it's mere existence was evidence of doing something wrong.


Nothing in the rest of your post deserves the dignity of a response. Meanwhile we wait.

Does the statements made by the FBI deserve the 'Dignity of a Response'?


Final point - which you may or may not be aware of - The FBI Agent who surpressed the Hunter Biden Laptop and opened this investigation into Trump has been forced out of the Organization, why?

POLITICAL.
BIAS.

[pritch]

In case any one is interested? This relates to the subpoena the DoJ issued to Trump, and which he ignored, which was part of the reason the search warrant was issued. You don't have to watch the whole thing. The relevant portion starts at 8.00 minutes and goes to about the ten minute mark. It won't take a large chunk of you life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbtNbKFC2I

[TheDemonLord]

Trump has asked for a "Special Master" some two weeks after the search warrant was executed. That is ridiculous, the time to do that is when the warrant is produced. For those who don't know, in an instance like this there are two teams involved: the investigation team and a 'taint' team. The taint team goes through the papers first and remove anything potentially privileged. If a special master (a retired judge?) was appointed that person would decide what was priveleged and what was not. It's too late for that, that work has already been done. Whether Trump's lawyers are incompetent (highly likely) or he is just playing for time, I don't know.

Ridiculous, was it? (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=trump+special+master)


Once again, Time vindicates Trump as being correct.

[1/32 man]

Ridiculous, was it?


Once again, Time vindicates Trump as being correct.

I dont think "correct" is the right word.....successful in bringing a time delay maybe, a diversion, a smoke screen, a ploy.

Let's see what happens next and who the poor chump is that gets the job.

I like those statements that compare you and me to Trumpe....ie you and I would have been locked up by now.

[TheDemonLord]

I dont think "correct" is the right word.....successful in bringing a time delay maybe, a diversion, a smoke screen, a ploy.

I mean correct in the sense that the media and legal sources that Pritch listens/watches/consumes claimed that this idea was "Ridiculous" - yet since it has been granted, it's clearly not ridiculous, it has sufficient merit for the Judge to approve it.

Hence my comment - Time proves Trump correct, yet again.


Let's see what happens next and who the poor chump is that gets the job.

There's a number of Possibilities.

If Trump gets back in, there's a good chance he will go hell-for-leather, he can't run for a 3rd term and will set about uprooting all the entrenched Left-Wing Political types who hold un-elected positions in such a way that would make McCarthy weep tears of Joy from his Grave. The Left will go bananas and make all sorts of accusations about tyranny/dictatorship behavior etc. And not without good reason, mind.
The Right will simply turn round and say 'Good for the goose, Good for the Gander". And it will be glorious to behold

He might go as far as to shut down the FBI (Nothing as permanent as a temporary Government initiative...) and basically go in and carve out some of the corruption in the US political system - with a view that afterwards, someone like Ron DeSantis comes along and tidies up afterwards.

Trump could also get back into power and essentially make a few high profile resignations happen and tell the other government Depts to pull their heads in and stop being so biased and then re-implement all of the Energy and other changes that had worked so well (that Biden screwed up). Perhaps even adding an Amendment to the Constitution about a right to Energy.

The Democrats might win, in which case the US will continue on it's long slide towards a Socialist 'paradise', right up until the shooting starts - then I've got my money on the side that loves the 2nd Amendment and does most of the Farming.

Or, you might get an actual proper Democrat who can cast out all the Extremists in the party and govern as a Centre-Left, non-Marxist party - but I'm trying to keep it in the realm of possibility here.


I like those statements that compare you and me to Trumpe....ie you and I would have been locked up by now.

I mean, there's a fair amount of truth to that, people in positions of power have discretion and advantages most don't. Same applies to the other side as well.

[pete376403]

I mean correct in the sense that the media and legal sources that Pritch listens/watches/consumes claimed that this idea was "Ridiculous" - yet since it has been granted, it's clearly not ridiculous, it has sufficient merit for the Judge to approve it..
"the judge" - you mean "A judge", All of whom are political appointees, regardless of the fact that they are supposed to uphold "the law"
Trumps legal team found a judge that agrees with them, that doesn't mean the the FBI won't find a superior court judge who can over-ride that on appeal. Trumps supporters might have deep pockets, but the Governments are deeper. If the Governments action against trump is successful, "the judge" may well find himself running a court in Buttfuck, Nebraska.

[TheDemonLord]

"the judge" - you mean "A judge", All of whom are political appointees, regardless of the fact that they are supposed to uphold "the law"
Trumps legal team found a judge that agrees with them, that doesn't mean the the FBI won't find a superior court judge who can over-ride that on appeal. Trumps supporters might have deep pockets, but the Governments are deeper. If the Governments action against trump is successful, "the judge" may well find himself running a court in Buttfuck, Nebraska.

Even a Biased judge (if we are going with that), still has to make an argument with a Legal basis.

The point was - the request wasn't, on face value, ridiculous.

I doubt they'd try a superior court, because they run the risk of Trump and his Team making it a constitutional rights issue and taking it to the Supreme Court - which I dare say would not look upon this whole farce favourably.

[husaberg]

351664..........
what is interesting about the Special master ruling is it limits sererly Trumps teasm rights of appeal as they cant claim with any degree of plausibility oh i was unfairly treated.
What's interesting is when it trumps team found guilty, its a conspiracy..... when they make any decision that might advantage him it oh look its law.....

[Grumph]

"the judge" - you mean "A judge", All of whom are political appointees, regardless of the fact that they are supposed to uphold "the law"
Trumps legal team found a judge that agrees with them, that doesn't mean the the FBI won't find a superior court judge who can over-ride that on appeal. Trumps supporters might have deep pockets, but the Governments are deeper. If the Governments action against trump is successful, "the judge" may well find himself running a court in Buttfuck, Nebraska.

As i read it, the (female) judge saw two grounds. Priveliged communications lawyer - client. And a ridiculous one - priveliged communication as President with the Executive branch of the govt. Who are represented by the DoJ and FBI. Striking out on uncharted ground on that one. DoJ may well get a ruling on appeal to have the Master's duties severely limited.

[pritch]

"the judge" - you mean "A judge", All of whom are political appointees, regardless of the fact that they are supposed to uphold "the law"
Trumps legal team found a judge that agrees with them, that doesn't mean the the FBI won't find a superior court judge who can over-ride that on appeal. Trumps supporters might have deep pockets, but the Governments are deeper. If the Governments action against trump is successful, "the judge" may well find himself running a court in Buttfuck, Nebraska.

A judge, who was rated by the US Bar Association as 'unqualified' and who at best is considered 'inexperienced', (that latter a major understatement), has ordered the Attorney General of the US to stop an investigation. The Attorney General is the top lawyer in the country, the president's right hand man on legal matters, but OK.
She is blazing a unique judicial trail. She is only 41 now but if she never does anything else she has a place in history. Not one she'd particularly want but...

Her ruling, which is legally "unconventional", contains a landmine or two so we await developments. Developments there should be.

Anyone, well almost anyone, who wants to know why her ruling is odd can check YouTube. Legal opinions from qualified people are available, suggested starting points might be the reactions of Harry Littman and Glen Kirschner.

[TheDemonLord]

As i read it, the (female) judge saw two grounds. Priveliged communications lawyer - client. And a ridiculous one - priveliged communication as President with the Executive branch of the govt. Who are represented by the DoJ and FBI. Striking out on uncharted ground on that one. DoJ may well get a ruling on appeal to have the Master's duties severely limited.

When it comes to Privilege (in the legal sense) - my understanding is that the courts always lean heavily towards protecting it. Even in the most stretched and tenuous circumstances. As such, the second one may not be ridiculous as it seems.

[TheDemonLord]

351664..........
what is interesting about the Special master ruling is it limits sererly Trumps teasm rights of appeal as they cant claim with any degree of plausibility oh i was unfairly treated.
What's interesting is when it trumps team found guilty, its a conspiracy..... when they make any decision that might advantage him it oh look its law.....

But Trump hasn't been found Guilty.

Of anything thus far.

Most investigated and most acquitted President in history.

[TheDemonLord]

A judge, who was rated by the US Bar Association as 'unqualified' and who at best is considered 'inexperienced', (that latter a major understatement), has ordered the Attorney General of the US to stop an investigation.

So, kinda like filing a motion to dismiss a case that has absolutely no hope in going through, but is still filed anyway on the off-chance it might work? Not exactly unheard...


The Attorney General is the top lawyer in the country, the president's right hand man on legal matters, but OK.

And the same guy that accused Parents of Children as being akin to Domestic Terrorists for not wanting their children taught Marxist garbage.

And the same President who essentially accused half of the country of being terrorists, that right hand man?

But OK.


She is blazing a unique judicial trail. She is only 41 now but if she never does anything else she has a place in history. Not one she'd particularly want but...

Her ruling, which is legally "unconventional", contains a landmine or two so we await developments. Developments there should be.

Well, we'll see. She could be Unconventional and brilliant, she could be Unconventional and crap.

The point remains - the request was not ridiculous.


Anyone, well almost anyone, who wants to know why her ruling is odd can check YouTube. Legal opinions from qualified people are available, suggested starting points might be the reactions of Harry Littman and Glen Kirschner.

I mean, one is a registered Democrat and the other has called for a Grand Jury on Trump for Covid deaths (Yet, try as I might, I could not find a similar call for the same for Biden - despite there being more deaths under Biden than Trump.....)

Could you pick anyone who are more blatantly partisan hacks?

I tend towards the legal analysis of Nick Rekiata, NateTheLawyer and LegalBytes.

[1/32 man]

I dont care what the legal opinions are...Trumpe is the biggest waste of space out there, a malicious mean spirited human who never was in the job to serve the people but to grift, grift, grift the night away.

I am fixated on the journey he is taking the US through, though.... and wonder if I will out live the "orange cunt" and laugh and cheer when he goes down.

[pete376403]

- despite there being more deaths under Biden than Trump.....).

Some would disagree on that https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-more-americans-died-covid-under-joe-biden-donald-trump-1661528

Besides, trump claims he is really still the president, so all the deaths are on him

[TheDemonLord]

Some would disagree on that https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-more-americans-died-covid-under-joe-biden-donald-trump-1661528

Y'know that the above Article is almost a year old? So by now, the Statement is definitely true.

However a quick read of it reveals some interesting Stats work - The Tweets that are being fact checked both put the Trump tally at just under 400,000 (392,000 and 396,000).

They then use some data from the CDC to confirm that it was definitely worse under Trump - the problem is we have things like this: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210119/u-s-surpasses-400-thousand-covid-19-deaths

Which you'll notice is quite close to the figure cited by the tweets in question. John Hopkins University put, on the date of the Inauguration, the number as 400,000. 400,000 vs 392,000 vs 396,000. All in the same ballpark, with +/- 1% error margin

Whereas the CDC managed to find an extra 30,000 to 70,000 (they don't seem to be sure...) - which is quite the jump when the daily death rate in that time period was around 1,400 a day.

That's a jump of 10-20%.

So, on the one hand - you have different people using different sources but all coming to a set of numbers that are within 1% of each other (and given the nature and scale of stats - more than acceptable margin of error).

Then you have a politically biased organization post-hoc who comes out with figure that's 20% higher than everyone else, because it makes their guy look bad.

Do you see why people might have doubt?


Besides, trump claims he is really still the president, so all the deaths are on him

If he really was, we wouldn't have half of the problems we currently do....

[pritch]

This is an oldie but...

[TheDemonLord]

This is an oldie but...

I mean - when you've got various institutions that come right out and say it, hardly counts as a Conspiracy Theory, does it?

[pritch]

The Washington Post is reporting that a document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence last month.

What possible reason could an ordinary citizen have for keeping that at home?

He should be under house arrest already.

[TheDemonLord]

The Washington Post is reporting that a document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence last month.

What possible reason could an ordinary citizen have for keeping that at home?

He should be under house arrest already.

Maybe he's an avid player of War Thunder... (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=war+thunder+classified+documents)

Okay Jokes aside - Firstly - why are we trusting the Washington Post? They've already had one story that was false and based upon an anonymous source - so what reason do we have to believe that this has any truth to it?

There's no evidence that Trump had any US Nuclear documents, so why should I believe the same liars when they say that he has Foreign Nuclear Documents?

And that's without addressing the Elephant in the room if it is true:

Who Cares if he has information from Foreign Countries?

Why would it be morally wrong to be in possession of another nations classified information? I had a look - there's potentially some concerns due to an Obama executive order - however when it comes to dealing with foreign classified info, it's a lot more grey - the rules seem to only cover info that is shared on the basis of co-operation.

Not to mention the memo that says he's taking stuff home and declassifying it (as is his executive privilege)

If Trump had the entire breakdown of North Koreas armed forces - do you think the average American would give care one iota?

[pete376403]

Who Cares if he has information from Foreign Countries?

Why would it be morally wrong to be in possession of another nations classified information? I had a look - there's potentially some concerns due to an Obama executive order - however when it comes to dealing with foreign classified info, it's a lot more grey - the rules seem to only cover info that is shared on the basis of co-operation.

Not to mention the memo that says he's taking stuff home and declassifying it (as is his executive privilege)

If Trump had the entire breakdown of North Koreas armed forces - do you think the average American would give care one iota?
America has allies with nuclear capability as well as "not-allies". What if the info was about Israel? (even though they completely deny any nukes). There are quite a few countries that would like to know more about that, and that could upset a few people.

[TheDemonLord]

America has allies with nuclear capability as well as "not-allies". What if the info was about Israel? (even though they completely deny any nukes). There are quite a few countries that would like to know more about that, and that could upset a few people.

What If, Could, Would etc.

Those words are doing a lot of heavy lifting. We don't know and the WaPo doesn't reveal it's source, so we've got no way of verifying if the person supplying the info is credible - and given their track record, especially in regards to Trump, we have little to no reason to believe it.

[husaberg]

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The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deals
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge. He was sentenced to 45 days in prison and 3 years of probation.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story. He was convicted on all counts after a November 2019 trial.

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

[TheDemonLord]

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I mean, Russia was a Hoax.
They said Hunter Biden's laptop was fake, when it wasn't.
I don't remember Hillary's home getting raided at Gun Point (and remember - I've quoted the standard for prosecution, as set out by the FBI...)
And the Senior FBI person who got dismissed from the FBI for Political Bias.

Not to mention the various Text Messages that came out earlier (I think the Mueller Investigation) where it showed they were deeply partisan and hostile to Trump.


At this point - when you've got the different standards of behavior of the FBI towards Trump Vs Hillary, You've got FBI Staff dismissed for Bias, You've got fake ongoing investigations and covered-up real ones.

What more evidence do you need of there being bias against Trump?

[pritch]

America has allies with nuclear capability as well as "not-allies". What if the info was about Israel? (even though they completely deny any nukes). There are quite a few countries that would like to know more about that, and that could upset a few people.

The country is reported to be an ally. Trump already gave out super secret Israeli information live on TV early in his presidency. His idiocy knows no bounds.

He has confessed to having classified documents at Mar a Lago on multiple occasions. He likes to think he's the smartest guy in the room, but the only time that's likely to happen is when he's with his admirers.

His lawyers must be banging their heads against a wall. They tell him not to say anything, and he promptly fires of an angry 'Truth' containing yet another confession.

The DoJ have all the evidence, they should indict him and place him under house arrest.

[Berries]

What more evidence do you need of there being bias against Trump?
Of course there is. You cannot honestly believe he was ever presidential material, ever?

Don't bring Biden into this, or Bush. A failed businessman and then a TV host does not make a president. The country that is supposed to be representative of the free world is a laughing stock to the free world and Trump is partly to blame for that.

And the coffin dodger Biden, I hold no allegiance to useless twats.

[1/32 man]

He likes to think he's the smartest guy in the room

Dunning Kruger is a perfect fit, a beautiful fit, a uge fit, bigly even.

[TheDemonLord]

Of course there is. You cannot honestly believe he was ever presidential material, ever?

Okay - let's take that at face value.

Being a 'Bad' President, does not warrant the degree of demonstrable bias against him from the FBI:

Outright hostility, cover-ups, vindictive and malicious investigations etc. etc. And I must stress - the FBI recently had to fire a senior staffer for bias against Trump (the person who squashed the Hunter Laptop investigation and opened the Documents investigation).

But now let's go one step further: Was the world a better place during Trump than it is now? No Wars, no Energy shortages, no supply chain issues - the list goes on.

And then if you want to say he isn't Presidential Material - compared to what? His contemporaries give a rather poor showing. I mean compared to say Washington or Lincoln or Reagan - perhaps - but most Presidents fall short compared to them.

To give you as honest answer as I can: He was certainly unconventional - and there are many (including die-hard Republicans) who were critical of his use of Twitter (for example) - I personally liked that aspect. Does that unconventionality preclude him from being presidential? The answer for me lies in the outcome - what he did wasn't business as usual, but it was effective. His unpredictability kept other nations in-line.


A failed businessman and then a TV host does not make a president.

Failed is quite the stretch (I'm tempted to call this an oft-repeated lie) - but to answer the question, I'm going to Quote a little MegaDave:

"What d'ya mean I couldn't be the President, of the United States of America? Tell me something, it's still 'We, The People' Right?"

Reagan was an Actor, he did pretty well. Washington was a Surveyor.

Exactly what does make a President? I mean - if you say extensive experience at high level politics - you know exactly who I'm going to compare him to and I'm trying hard not to do so.

I'd go one step further - recent politics has shown that it isn't clear what makes a good political Leader.


The country that is supposed to be representative of the free world is a laughing stock to the free world and Trump is partly to blame for that.

No. And here's why: I remember when the EU laughed at Trump for saying their dependence on Russian Gas was a strategic Blunder.

Are they laughing now? I'm not sure - it might just be the chattering of teeth from the fact that they are Cold.

'Intellectuals' who have been protected from the stupidity of their ideas laughed at him, but now they managed to get their ideas implemented - they aren't laughing now.

The biggest reason for the loss of face from the US is, however, entirely on the shoulders of Biden (Afghanistan withdrawal).


And the coffin dodger Biden, I hold no allegiance to useless twats.

Do you hold the same hatred for Biden that you do for Trump? If not, why not?

[nerrrd]

President Trump has actively cultivated the bias against him (which existed largely I would say due to his perceived unsuitability for the job prior to becoming President) right from the beginning.

It's a big part of his appeal to his supporters, and he plays on it all the time. I don't see any mysterious agenda to it, it's a natural result of his daily interactions with the media during his Presidency.

Journalists have always had a political bias, it's most obvious I would say in real time on the radio, but it's always been there in the background in every other medium (despite all the advertising about being 'fair' and 'balanced').

Wherever there are people involved, there will be bias.

[TheDemonLord]

President Trump has actively cultivated the bias against him (which existed largely I would say due to his perceived unsuitability for the job prior to becoming President) right from the beginning.

'Perceived Unsuitability for the Job' - based on what? Remember when I challenged people to cite why they didn't like Trump - the reasons given were all traced back to media hit pieces written after he announced his intent to run. Prior to the existence of those articles - there was no perceived unsuitability.

Only that he wasn't Team Democrat and therefore must be evil.

That all said - I will grant you that he embraced his outsider status.


It's a big part of his appeal to his supporters, and he plays on it all the time.

Definitely agree.


I don't see any mysterious agenda to it, it's a natural result of his daily interactions with the media during his Presidency.

When they've fired a top guy for Bias, I don't think we can call it a Mysterious Agenda anymore - more like confirmed fact.


Journalists have always had a political bias, it's most obvious I would say in real time on the radio, but it's always been there in the background in every other medium (despite all the advertising about being 'fair' and 'balanced').

Wherever there are people involved, there will be bias.

When it comes to the Media - there's certain things I can live with. On a given issue - I can accept the Guardian and CNN will always give the Left Wing perspective on it. That's fine.

Where I draw the line is things like the Russia Hoax - completely made up. Or the Coverage of Covid - under Trump you had 24/7 news cycles with daily Death Meters etc. Which all curiously disappeared with Biden. Or the Infamous 'Mostly Peaceful Protest' said in front of a burning Building. Or Hunter Biden. Or the multiple instances where the Media has been shown to be lying about Trump.

That goes beyond just Bias.

[pritch]

President Trump has actively cultivated the bias against him .

Aaah but if it's true it's not bias. Trump's ramblings were so insane at times that if the press printed what he said they'd be accused of deliberately making him look like an idiot. So the press cleaned up his word salads so that they didn't appear as incomprehensible as they were. Yes there was bias but it was in his favour.

Currently there is speculation among the Twitterati that the ally mentioned in the nuclear documents drama is Israel. That's interesting. It's thought that the Saudi's wanted nukes. We know that MBS said he has Kushner in his pocket. We know the Saudis gave Kushner $2Billion. We know now that Trump had Nuclear documentation. We know that anything Trump has is for sale. All of which adds up to nothing. Yet.

[TheDemonLord]

Aaah but if it's true it's not bias.

Except all those times that they made shit up about him.


Trump's ramblings were so insane at times that if the press printed what he said they'd be accused of deliberately making him look like an idiot. So the press cleaned up his word salads so that they didn't appear as incomprehensible as they were. Yes there was bias but it was in his favour.

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooow.

You seriously trying to say that the Media who actively hated Trump, were biased in his favour?
And that all they did was clean up his Wording?

This is levels of delusion that I never expected from you Pritch.

Just a single example to disprove how wrong you are on this:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=trump+mexicans+murderers+and+rapists

Multiple articles - all saying that Trump thinks all Mexicans are Murderers and Rapists.

The actual Quote? Well, he's talking about notorious Cartel MS-13 (who are Murderers and Rapists).

Funny how the Media - who, in your words, were merely 'tidying up his language' - forgot to add that context in. It's almost as if it was deliberately omitted, Some might say intentionally.


Currently there is speculation among the Twitterati that the ally mentioned in the nuclear documents drama is Israel. That's interesting. It's thought that the Saudi's wanted nukes. We know that MBS said he has Kushner in his pocket. We know the Saudis gave Kushner $2Billion. We know now that Trump had Nuclear documentation. We know that anything Trump has is for sale. All of which adds up to nothing. Yet.

Kushner... Not Trump.

And let's not forget - The Democrats have the likes of Ilhan Omar in their ranks - she's got some awfully spicy views on the Jews...

[pritch]

It should never have got past this.

[pzkpfw]

It should never have got past this.

Yes.

That's the same Trump who tweeted (whatever it's called on his loser platform) last week: "Why are people so mean?".

[pritch]

Richard Michetti has been sentenced to nine months jail and two years supervision for his part in the Jan 6 coup attempt. He was turned in by his ex after he called her a moron for not believing the election was stolen.

He’s got time now to figure out who the moron teally is.

[husaberg]

Richard Michetti has been sentenced to nine months jail and two years supervision for his part in the Jan 6 coup attempt. He was turned in by his ex after he called her a moron for not believing the election was stolen.

He’s got time now to figure out who the moron teally is.

Note what he pleaded guilty to carries a max prison term of 20 years its not for staging a unruly protest.
despite what others will claim.

our client understands that a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2), (2).
carries a maximum sentence of 20 years of imprisonment; a fine of $250,000, pursuant to 18
U.S.C. § 3571(b)(3); a term of supervised release of not more than 3 years, pursuant to 18 U.S.C.
§ 3583(b)(2); and an obligation to pay any applicable interest or penalties on fines and restitution
not timely made.

[Berries]

Do you hold the same hatred for Biden that you do for Trump? If not, why not?
Never met either of them so hate is a bit strong. I would not even say I dislike them for much the same reason. Having seen Trump prior to him being President I just can't understand how he got voted in to the job. Pretty good on The Apprentice at times but not a statesman in any way, shape or form unlike most of the ones I recall, excluding Bush obviously.

Biden? I don't know. He never had a TV show so I know nothing about him other than he looked like he should have been in a rest home when he got the job. When he is on the news I switch off and don't tend to read anything about him in the paper or online. Guess I don't really have an opinion on him other than him being too old and doddery for what should be an important job but which has been whittled down to a circus act due to certain predecessors.

As I said before, I am happy living my life without worrying too much about what those people are doing. I still have to go to work in the morning so they are kind of irrelevant to me. The same goes for all politicians.

[F5 Dave]

They say you aren't given respect. You have to earn it.

Biden hasn't earned hatred.

Trump on the other hand is a narcissist lying cunt. Easy to hate.

You, TDL I just feel sorry for.

[TheDemonLord]

Biden hasn't earned hatred.

He absolutely has.

- Inflation
- Afghanistan
- Fuel shortages
- Immigration
- Failure as World Police
- Supply chain issues
- Embracing of Intersectional axioms

And that's without bringing up any of the personal/family stuff (I mean, who calls their Dad 'Pedo Peter', even in jest?)

He has, objectively, made the lives of a significant portion of Americans worse. The repurcussions of those policies have made MY life worse.

That, alone, earns him Hatred.


Trump on the other hand is a narcissist lying cunt. Easy to hate.

Even Easier to hate when you've been sold on a bunch of Misquotes, half-truths and outright lies.


You, TDL I just feel sorry for.

Why?

Time has been exceedingly vindicating to me.

Every day of Biden's shit-show proves just how good a President Trump was. The evidence of how little Lockdowns actually work vs the economic and societal damage that they have done is starting to come in droves, to the point, where even those who were for those abominations are admitting it.

[1/32 man]

The Determined lord......I cannot believe you are defending a person such as trump.

I cannot be botthered reading the long winded defenses of the guy that you write.

I guess you would employ a person based on the statements in their CV rather than your instincts when you meet them face to face?

Been there done that, failed.

[TheDemonLord]

Never met either of them so hate is a bit strong. I would not even say I dislike them for much the same reason. Having seen Trump prior to him being President I just can't understand how he got voted in to the job. Pretty good on The Apprentice at times but not a statesman in any way, shape or form unlike most of the ones I recall, excluding Bush obviously.

The best way I can articulate it, is that Trump followed in a very long tradition of American 'Fuck you' attitude. You are right, he wasn't a statesman - he was very much an outsider and he talked about many of the things that a significant part of the Country were frustrated about:

- Immigration
- Status Quo and entrenched Bureaucrats
- Revivifying American Exceptionalism
- Endless Wars
- His opposition to the current brand of radical Leftism (AKA Woke/Intersectional/Neo-Marxist ideals)

He didn't talk like a Statesman, which is part of his appeal.


Biden? I don't know. He never had a TV show so I know nothing about him other than he looked like he should have been in a rest home when he got the job. When he is on the news I switch off and don't tend to read anything about him in the paper or online.

Indeed - all the hallmarks of the Most Popular President in US History :lol::lol::lol::lol:


Guess I don't really have an opinion on him other than him being too old and doddery for what should be an important job but which has been whittled down to a circus act due to certain predecessors.

If he had done nothing in Office, Literally Nothing, not repealed any of Trumps successful policies that was fuelling (pun intended) American Prosperity and growth - then sure, I'd have no reason to hate on him.

However, the policies that his has introduced have actively hurt not just Americans, but everyone around the Globe.

It's one thing to do nothing and have bad things happened - like a Firefighter standing by a Burning Building and not helping - and we could armchair general and argue what ought to have been done.

It's another thing to actively engage in the bad things - like that same Firefighter pouring petrol all over the building next to a building on fire.

And if that is not sufficient, the disparity in treatment between Trump and Biden is also a source of annoyance. Biden has done, on many fronts, objectively worse than Trump - where are the 4 year long Hoax investigations into Biden? There's plenty of Material that could justify a real Investigation (10% for the big guy).

Where is the same Outrage against Biden for things that Trump was crucified for in the Media?


As I said before, I am happy living my life without worrying too much about what those people are doing. I still have to go to work in the morning so they are kind of irrelevant to me. The same goes for all politicians.

Not a bad outlook TBH - it's only when what the Politicians do has an impact on what I'm doing that I get annoyed. And between Jacinda and Biden - they have had a large impact on my life in the negative sense.

[TheDemonLord]

The Determined lord......I cannot believe you are defending a person such as trump.

Why?

Even the courts allow for the most depraved and guilty people a Defence. Fact is - under Trump, Life was good. Under Biden, it's worse.


I cannot be botthered reading the long winded defenses of the guy that you write.

Scared you might learn something?


I guess you would employ a person based on the statements in their CV rather than your instincts when you meet them face to face?

Been there done that, failed.

Do you know what the Irony of that Statement is?

Let's write an Imaginary CV for a US President for both Trump and Biden - on Paper, at least, Biden would be the clear candidate (multiple years experience).

It's my Gut instinct on what they did that told me which one to back - and as above - everyday of the Biden Trainwreck is proof of just how good Trump was.

[Berries]

Where is the same Outrage against Biden for things that Trump was crucified for in the Media?
I don't know. Our local paper is more concerned with sheep rustling.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't know. Our local paper is more concerned with sheep rustling.

Have they tried oiling the sheep so that they don't make so much noise?

[pritch]

One concern I had about the judge's ruling that a mutually acceptable special master be appointed was that nobody would be acceptable to Trump. He would just keep playing for time.

The DoJ have now responded to the judge's ruling saying that while some of the documents could be shown to a special master with the appropriate security clearances, some of the material is so secret that showing it to anybody would harm National Security.

That's some super secret shit the orange idiot had squirelled away at his club/resort.

One amusing aspect of all this is that Trump is complaining that the details being released by the DoJ to the court are making him look bad. It was Trump who announced there had been a search warrant executed, not the DoJ. It was Trump's lawyers who filed a series of papers in court each of which required a response by the DoJ containing details that otherwise would not have been realeased until someone was charged. He caused his problems but is now crying that he's the victim.

Oh, and I loved the clip of Bannon's perp walk in cuffs. "I have not yet begun to fight," says he, just prior to pleading guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1d6RXhc54s

[husaberg]

I don't know. Our local paper is more concerned with sheep rustling.
Thats because they treat that as sex trafficking down your way........:wari:

[pritch]

So tfg has had a rant n Truth Social. Well another rant. He'd best get in quick before his media empire finally goes belly up.

He's upset about "leakers." Most of the leaks come from him and his lawyers. One of the latter had best be having a chat with the DoJ about assisting them with their enquiry though, since she has been caught lying to the FBI in a sworn statement.

"A brilliant and courageous judge" who has now received a very polite filing from the DoJ offering her options, and an oportunity to correct her mistake.
The brilliant judge who had never tried a single case as a prosecutor or a defence counsel prior to her appointment by a president who had already lost his reelection bid. She stated in her ruling that the material was still subject to executive privilege as Biden had not removed the privilege. This despite the fact that the papers submitted to the court by the DoJ iinformed her that Biden had removed any executive privilege. The brilliant judge can't even read.

There is a nuclear option as well. This judge has only very dodgy jurisdiction. The case coud be whipped out from under her and tranferred to DC where it should have been anyway.

[husaberg]

Trump a man so innocent that he cant answer any questions under oath as he fears he will implicate himself in crimes....


Donald Trump reportedly invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 400 times in a deposition on Wednesday, he put himself in familiar company. This was part of a more than three-year civil investigation into whether the Trump Organization misled lenders, insurers and tax authorities by providing them misleading financial statements.........


Attorney John Eastman — who allegedly conspired with Trump to try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election — pleaded the Fifth in response to 146 separate questions, according to court filings.
Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official who Trump considered naming acting attorney general in order to advance plans to overturn the electoral results, pleaded the Fifth more than 125 times, according to Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.).

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded the Fifth in response to multiple questions from the committee.

Former Trump adviser Roger Stone also pleaded the Fifth in response to questions from the committee.

Conspiracy theorist and Infowars host Alex Jones said he pleaded the Fifth “almost 100 times” in responding to the committee.

Videotaped depositions before the Jan. 6 committee show witnesses have used the Fifth Amendment to avoid even the most basic questions.
Flynn pleaded the Fifth in response to questions about whether the violence on Jan. 6, 2021, was morally or legally justified and whether he believes in the peaceful transition of power.

And in a previously unreported, unlisted video on the Jan. 6 committee’s YouTube page identified by Grid, Clark is seen pleading the Fifth in response to whether he was a Justice Department official on Jan. 6, 2021, and whether he knows Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa. — the congressman who, according to other testimony offered to the Jan. 6 committee and a separate Senate investigation, introduced him to Trump.

[1/32 man]

Fact is - under Trump, Life was good. Under Biden, it's worse.

Not from what I have read.

[pritch]

Not from what I have read.

LOL. You and everybody else - except the MAGA cult.

[pritch]

Another Trump lawsuit bites the dust. Trump had instigated a legal action against 30 odd people, including Hillary Clinton, who he said had damaged him by propogating the "Russian hoax". The case was intended to come before Judge Cannon. It didn't. Trump then tried to get it moved to her but failed. The case as presented to the court was basically a succession of Trump tweets. It's all too complicated to reproduce here but Trump only succeeded in annoying the judge.

The case has been dismissed "with prejudice." That means it can't be brought again. The judge ruled that there are likely to be sanctions against Trump's lawyers for bringing such a frivolous case and he has reserved that right to himself. The 30 people mentioned in the suit can now sue Trump.

Hillary Clinton may not be interested in an action against Trump but the people who lost their jobs through Trump's vendetta might well be.

This is all self inflicted but yet again Trump will probably cry victim.

[pritch]

This may or may not be genuine, but it's funny either way. It's the sort of deluded nonsense that the orange idiot would say.

[husaberg]

This may or may not be genuine, but it's funny either way. It's the sort of deluded nonsense that the orange idiot would say.
That would be truer than most of trumps tweets
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[TheDemonLord]

Not from what I have read.

And what about what you have experienced?

Fuel Prices, Inflation, Supply shortages - do those not have an impact on your life?

[husaberg]

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[pritch]

Meanwhile back at the funny farm…. Trump wanted a special master, an ‘unqualified inexperienced’ and some say corrupt judge, granted him one. The billionaire has asked the DoJ to share the cost. The DoJ have declined his request. Basically he wanted it, he can pay for it.

[sugilite]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DpUdZ11p9EQ

Also needing to be flushed, multiple walls of text from our resident magat :laugh:

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DpUdZ11p9EQ

Also needing to be flushed, multiple walls of text from our resident magat :laugh:

Trump used to rip up official documents that he didn't like. The White House staff then spent time taping them back together. Historians will come across this in the records and will instantly realise what some today will not accept. TFG is a fucking nutcase.

[husaberg]

Trump used to rip up official documents that he didn't like. The White House staff then spent time taping them back together. Historians will come across this in the records and will instantly realise what some today will not accept. TFG is a fucking nutcase.

Not to mention the blocked toilets
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/08/donald-trump-blocked-toilets-photographs-documents-book


Claims that Donald Trump periodically blocked up White House and other drains with wads of paper appear to be borne out in photographs leaked ahead of the publication of a new account of the 45th presidency. The House panel asked the National Archives to turn over a description of materials in boxes of records retrieved from Trump’s residence in Mar-a-Lago last month. US House to investigate whether Trump broke law in handling of documents Read more On Monday, Axios published photos of folded-up paper, marked with Trump’s telltale handwriting, using his favored pen, a Sharpie, submerged at the bottom of various toilet bowls. The photographs were released in advance of the publication of Confidence Man, a book by the Trump White House correspondent for the New York Times, Maggie Haberman, set for October. Trump, described by Axios as “a notorious destroyer of Oval Office documents”, was the alleged flusher. But photographs of presidential White House toilet document dumps are possible evidence of a violation of the Presidential Records Act.

but but bidins sons alleged laptop with alleged stuff that the fBi has has for years........

[pritch]

I may have just seen the tweet of the day and it’s only 5.30AM.

‘The Russian generals are losing so badly that Republicans are thinking of erecting statues of them in the south.’

[TheDemonLord]

All these words:

"Suspected", "Alleged", "Anonymous Source" etc.

Yet curiously lacking is the actual proof.

[pritch]

Yesterday our time there was what was claimed to be a video of Trump arriving in Washington DC. The video is rather lacking cripsness but it's thought be Trump and he appears to be wearing golf shoes. This has caused considerable speculation. The footwear suggests an unplanned trip. The cause of such a journey might be medical, although he wouldn't normall need to visit Walter Reed VA hospital specifically. There is a woman in the sort of casual gear a nurse might wear for work. Or the cause might be legal. I was hoping to find the answer this morning but apparently not yet.

Trump has posted that he arrived in DC for work. That is generally considered unconvincing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRryJxVoxjs

[Laava]

He is storming the capital!😁😁😁

[TheDemonLord]

claimed


thought


appears


suggests

Once again....

[pritch]

Once again....

Of course, nobody knows anything for certain yet. Patience Grasshopper.

[TheDemonLord]

Of course, nobody knows anything for certain yet. Patience Grasshopper.

If they know nothing for certain, then they really shouldn't be reporting it as 'News'.

And given the track record of Smoking Guns and 'This will be the thing that topples Trump' (Most Acquitted President, ever) and everything else that either failed to pan out or was found to be based on lies - you'll forgive the skepticism.

[husaberg]

Of course, nobody knows anything for certain yet. Patience Grasshopper.

But but Bidens laptop

The alleged Laptop Hunter Biden allegedly owned and allegedly dropped off and allegedly had stuff on it that the FBI has had for years with no charges no warrants no arrests as alleged doesn’t quite cut it
Mac Isaac obtained the laptop in April 2019. He asserted three years later that while he was copying individual files and folders from the laptop's hard drive to another device, he "saw some content that was disturbing and then also raised some red flags
In April 2022, The Washington Post reported that Mac Isaac said that he had seen claims about what the laptop contained that did not reflect what he had seen on the laptop: "I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop. ... And that is a major concern of mine
The Washington Post published the findings of two forensic information analysts it had retained to examine 217 gigabytes of data provided to the paper on a hard drive by Republican activist Jack Maxey, who represented that its contents came from the laptop. One of the analysts characterized the data as a "disaster" from a forensics standpoint. The analysts found that people other than Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence others had written files to the drive both before and after the October 2020 New York Post reports. In September 2020, someone created six new folders on the drive, including with the names "Biden Burisma," "Salacious Pics Package" and "Hunter. Burisma Documents." One of the analysts found evidence someone may have accessed the drive contents from a West Coast location days after The New York Post published their stories about the laptop.
According to the New York Post story, a person—who Mac Isaac could not identify because he is legally blind—left the computer at the repair shop to repair water damage, but once this was completed, the shop had no contact information for its owner, and nobody ever paid for it or came to pick it up. Criticism has been focused on Mac Isaac over inconsistencies in his accounts of how the laptop came into his possession and how he passed it on to Giuliani and the FBI. When interviewed by CBS News, Mac Isaac offered contradictory statements about his motivations. Thomas Rid, a political scientist and disinformation expert at Johns Hopkins University, noted that the emails could have been forged or that forged material could have been mixed with genuine materials, a "common feature" of disinformation operations
An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop.

[TheDemonLord]

But but Bidens laptop

Oh, So we are going on the Washington Post says, are we?

Let's have a look at the actual Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/

Funny that your blurb omits when the new folders were created - according to the WaPo WHILE THE LAPTOP WAS IN THE FBIs POSSESSION.

Even Funnier is that, again - according to the WaPo, the Security experts did authenticate the emails between Hunter and Burisma - the ones where they thank Hunter for giving them an opportunity to Meet and spend time with Hunter's Father (Aka VP Joe Biden) - a Meeting the Biden went on record as never having.

Now - actually reading the Foresnics analysis (as printed) what they are talking about is that they aren't working from a Forensic Image of the Drive, rather a regular imagine, they aren't wrong.

Additionally, they talk that whilst they can't conclusively verify everything they could not prove it was hacked/altered by foreign interests either.

At one point they float the possibility of hacking both the corporate email and DNS of Burisma to alter the DKIM records (A signing technique for emails that uses a DNS TXT record with a Public key to authenticate emails as coming from an authorised source) - which tells me something about the political leanings of the analysts - If you are even going to float the idea that both the Laptop was hacked, Burisma was hacked, their DNS was hacked - sounds a bit like a Conspiracy.

I did like the line where they begrudgingly acknowledged that to hack Google and steal their DKIM private key would be a bit difficult even for state-level hackers...


So let's recap shall we? The FBI did dodgy shit. The same FBI that told social media to censor it and the same FBI who had to fire the person that did this for 'Political Bias'. The Experts verified some emails, including the one where the Ukrainians confirm they met with Joe Biden (a meeting that wasn't recorded for the VP and has been denied, at length), they couldn't prove any of the material was actually hacked/placed there by foreign powers - and they floated the suggestion that it's possible for everything in the world to be hacked, rather than admit the obvious: Biden and Co have been up to some really Dodgy shit.

[1/32 man]

I have to admire "The determined Lord" for his powers of analysis but really.....how can anyone know what is really going on?

Unless you are some high ranking dude in the "Special Department of Special People" then you dont.

I base my opinions on snippets I glean here and there......and the snippets say Trump is a skunk and Biden is old and dithery but mostly straight up and dithery.

[TheDemonLord]

I have to admire "The determined Lord" for his powers of analysis but really.....how can anyone know what is really going on?

Unless you are some high ranking dude in the "Special Department of Special People" then you dont.

Which must, by definition, include the Journalists, yes?

See - One of my big over-arching points is that the there is a demonstrably difference in treatment between the Right and the Left. The Left is given the constant benefit of doubt, whereas with Trump - we had that he was holding US Nuclear material, then it was Nuclear material on a foreign power, no doubt as more things are revealed it will be walked back again to something approaching the truth.

In the news articles that are mentioned - we see the constant use of vague terms - basically pure speculation, but speculation that is treated with some special status - instead of being discarded.

Portraying fiction as fact is the height of journalistic dishonesty.


I base my opinions on snippets I glean here and there......and the snippets say Trump is a skunk and Biden is old and dithery but mostly straight up and dithery.

That's because the Snippets you see will be largely from a left-wing biased media who actively hate Trump.

Now, is Biden straight up? I'm going to invoke the Sugilitte position here with 'He's a Politician so therefore has some baseline level of corruption' - I doubt many people would outright disagree with that, yes?

There's a few things about Joe that cast some serious doubt (His Ukraine dealings, Payments from the CCP, being called 'Pedo Peter' by his Son, the allegation of his daughter that he used to shower with her) on his straight-up-ness. But let's be charitable (and charitable in a way that no one would grant Trump....) and put those things aside - let's focus on just his job as US president.

You'll remember the screeching that the Left had over Trump's cognitive ability and they demanded Trump take a test, yes? Well they have been curiously silent when the Right pointed to Joe's mumbling of his words and called for the same test, for the same foundational reason.

Then we've got his handling of Afghanistan, then we have his handling of illegal immigration (if you can even call it 'handling'), then we have his Energy Policy and it's knock-on effects, Then we have his COVID Policies and it's knock-on effects.

And to top it all off, he does a speech calling half the country terrorists, bathed in Black and Red, with a Reichsta... I mean 'Eagle' behind him - to the point where even the Left-wing types were like 'Holy crap this looks bad'.

What he has done has gone far beyond the reaches of just Dithery.

[1/32 man]

Some good rebuffs there, TDL.

I don't include journalists in the Special People Department...
Most only want to drum beat some BS and make a dollar doing so rather than try to inform or educate.

I agree with you about politicians being automatically tainted with "corruption/truth bender" tendencies though.
Putin controls the media and therefore the narrative in Roosia but that would never happen in New Zealand or even the USA.......would it?

[pritch]

Of course, nobody knows anything for certain yet. Patience Grasshopper.

OK, it seems we may have a bit more information. The meeting out in the open, away from prying eyes and any liklihood of being recorded, is possibly just a meeting of golf course staff. That has given rise to the suggestion that Trump is to host another round of the Saudi golf circus.

Patience is still the order of the day.

[pritch]

I agree with you about politicians being automatically tainted with "corruption/truth bender" tendencies though.
Putin controls the media and therefore the narrative in Roosia but that would never happen in New Zealand or even the USA.......would it?

I'm reminded of the Russian Ambassador to NZ who, when asked about censorship replied, With a press as stupid as yours and politicians who know how to use it, we'd rather have what you've got.

[pritch]

The great businessman Trump is famous for not paying his bills. Be they a loan with Deutchbank or one of his many legal bills. This latter particularly means he can normally only attract idiot or incompetent lawyers. He now has a new lawyer who is apparently regarded as competent, even if he is registered as a foreign agent acting for a Venezualan politician. The new lawyer insisted on, and received, US$ 3 million up front before he starts work. Trump has paid, not from his own money of course, but from his Save America Political Action Committee. All the simple minded fuckwits who coughed up their hard earned to "stop the steal" must be thrilled.

[TheDemonLord]

Very good. Agree totally. The truth hurts . Trump doesn't know the meaning of the word. He promised his voters hundreds of times he would build the wall. He promised it would happen hundreds of times to his faithful followers.

Of course it was never going to happen. He was only taking the piss . I can't argue with stupid, I'm surprised there are so many followers of the idiot still. Give me a break.

Illegal Migrant numbers under Trump vs Illegal Migrant numbers under Biden.

Someone is definitely taking the piss... And it's not Trump...

Kinda Ironic... (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=biden+building+the+wall)

[pete376403]

Illegal Migrant numbers under Trump vs Illegal Migrant numbers under Biden.

Someone is definitely taking the piss... And it's not Trump...

Kinda Ironic... (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=biden+building+the+wall)

Well it must be trumps fault for not building the wall like he promised. If the wall had been built, then all those illegal immigrants wouldn't be getting across the border, would they?

[Stylo]

Well it must be trumps fault for not building the wall like he promised. If the wall had been built, then all those illegal immigrants wouldn't be getting across the border, would they?

That's what boats and tunnels are for.

[TheDemonLord]

Well it must be trumps fault for not building the wall like he promised. If the wall had been built, then all those illegal immigrants wouldn't be getting across the border, would they?

Or.... The Democrat controlled Senate/House impeded as much as possible the progress...

[pete376403]

Or.... The Democrat controlled Senate/House impeded as much as possible the progress...

Repubs had the senate majority which is why the impeachments failed.

November 8, 2016: Donald Trump and Mike Pence elected as president and vice-president in presidential elections, while the Republicans retain majority at both Senate and House of Representatives.
Dems regained control of house in 2018 midterm but repubs still controlled senate

[TheDemonLord]

Repubs had the senate majority which is why the impeachments failed.

November 8, 2016: Donald Trump and Mike Pence elected as president and vice-president in presidential elections, while the Republicans retain majority at both Senate and House of Representatives.
Dems regained control of house in 2018 midterm but repubs still controlled senate

To be fair - I couldn't remember which one it was - but one of the major issues was opposition from the House.

Then Biden happened...

[sugilite]

Some good rebuffs there, TDL.


Don't give him too much credit, if you do a little digging on his rebuffs, a lot of them start crumbling real fast. He relies a lot of the sheer wall of text rebuffs that it is just too time consuming to check on it all.
Trump is totally the reprobate you think he is. The president that tear gasses peaceful protesters to walk across the road for a photo op holding the bible outside a church he never attended services at. The same president that sat there and did nothing to stop jan6 riots for many hours.
Case in point, tdl is currently blaming the dastardly dems for stopping trumps ill considered wall, while conveniently forgetting it was in fact the repubs that sunk the wall while they had both the house and senate.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/senate-votes-to-block-trump-national-emergency-over-border-wall.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/15/republicans-spent-two-years-resisting-trumps-border-wall-what-changed/
The only way you really know you have tdl on the ropes in when he feigns disinterest in a subject. If something changes within that subject later, then all of a sudden, that disinterest turns to laser like focus - for the exact same subject :laugh:

The whole left right thing is such a bullshitty facade. In bad news for Pritch, trump will never do a day in jail. That would require the establishment have to admit they let an outright fraudster into the top job at the white house - never going to happen.

When I lived in the US, an old miner told me that in the 80's, hippies came to their small town and started stealing crystals from the mines at night. It became a real issue. The local sheriff got the miners together at a meeting and told them that they would investigate the ever increasing reports of hippies going "missing" by only digging precisely 8 foot down with an excavator to look for bodies. If course the tacit meaning was, bury the bodies deeper than 8 feet and you will have no worries. And similar is going on over in the US politics scene now, lots of big noting investigations, must be seeing to show no one is above the law. the reality? Just last week the DOJ subpoenaed 30 phones. What a fucking joke, they have had a couple of years to scrub/replace their phones now, and after the maralago search, only the dumbest cunt polis won't of done that by now.

As mentioned in earlier posts, Desantis will be the end of Trump, as he wins the nomination for 2024, he will gracefully slip the knife into trumps heart all the while whispering his thanks into trumps ear for helping make him, and it now time for an eminently more handsome and articulate republican leader to take over the alter of bullshit.

Ahhhh, Desanatis, a much more marketable shyster to ladle on the bullshit. Case in point, his sudden desire to cut taxes for the little people. Check this article out. I'm sure all this tax relief being rolled out just before midterm elections benefiting woman of child bearing age - the very same being the most pissed of demographic regarding the republicans anti abortion policies is just sheer coincidence - right? :laugh: Normal service will be set to resume. We can go back to normal sleazy self serving politics instead of the shitty orange buffoons in your face 24/7 brand.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/weeks-before-election-desantis-proposes-slew-family-friendly-tax-breaks-slamming-dems-inflation
"We’re going to do no tax on school books, kids' books. We’re going to do no tax on athletic equipment for kids. We’re going to do no tax on toys for 12 and under, We want families to do well," DeSantis said.
And the suckers continue to lap it up, and foolish conservatives that think the Republicans are still a conservative movement are firmly in that suckers camp too. A special shout out to TDL here :bleh:

[pritch]

The art of the steal...

New York Attorney General, Letitia James, announces her $250 million civil case against Trump Inc.
Be interesting to see who lines up to act for Trump, and how much they want in advance.
This is a civil case, it does not have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. There is a lower standard in civil cases.

There is more but this is the 'guts' of it.

[sugilite]

The art of the steal...

New York Attorney General, Letitia James, announces her $250 million civil case against Trump Inc.
Be interesting to see who lines up to act for Trump, and how much they want in advance.
This is a civil case, it does not have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. There is a lower standard in civil cases.

There is more but this is the 'guts' of it.
Yeah, this one will go the way of the 100% fraudulent "Trump University" and the Trump family dipping into their "charity" fund. They get found guilty, pay a small (by their standards) fine and boom - justice is done to US standards of only throwing little people in jail.
The only satisfaction to be gained from it is trump will do a bit of teeth mashing, but will still profit way more than what he loses in another inevitable round of begging donations to his magat supporters. Wash, rinse and repeat. :rolleyes:

[TheDemonLord]

Don't give him too much credit, if you do a little digging on his rebuffs, a lot of them start crumbling real fast. He relies a lot of the sheer wall of text rebuffs that it is just too time consuming to check on it all.

Crumbling? My Dear Sugi - every day that the world is suffering under the Sabotage from Biden and the Dems reinforces the foundation my point(s) rest on.

I mean, I do post at length, but then most of these issues have many facets, aspects that are interesting and need to be addressed. As per below:


Trump is totally the reprobate you think he is. The president that tear gasses peaceful protesters to walk across the road for a photo op holding the bible outside a church he never attended services at. The same president that sat there and did nothing to stop jan6 riots for many hours.

Well, that depends on who you believe - The Democrats would have me believe that he overpowered the Secret Service Agents in order to be with his people...

I also get to point out that I proved that people only think he is a reprobate after the Political hit pieces came out when he announced his intent to run for Office. That tainted your view from the beginning - I know his subsequent actions have only affirmed your views - I still get to point that the well was poisoned.


Case in point, tdl is currently blaming the dastardly dems for stopping trumps ill considered wall, while conveniently forgetting it was in fact the repubs that sunk the wall while they had both the house and senate.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/senate-votes-to-block-trump-national-emergency-over-border-wall.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/15/republicans-spent-two-years-resisting-trumps-border-wall-what-changed/

I'll admit I've not clicked on the links yet - so this statement is made blind, but I have a sneaky suspicion it will be vindicated...

"RINOs being RINOs"


The only way you really know you have tdl on the ropes in when he feigns disinterest in a subject. If something changes within that subject later, then all of a sudden, that disinterest turns to laser like focus - for the exact same subject :laugh:

A Little uncharitable on the first part - since often the subject is one that you bring up - however, I do want to address the second statement - because there is a big element of Truth in that - when something changes it can attract my attention.

It is not the Subject that is of interest, but the Change - case in point - I never cared about the Democrats claim of Trump's cognitive decline - it was very clear that this was another tactic to try and unseat Trump. And so Trump did a test, in accordance with the Dems complaints - passed the test.

Your point (IIRC) is that the Test was easy and has no bearing - my later point - is that I cared not for the original claim or the test, but I do care when the precedent has been set and Biden (Y'know - Mr Shake-hands with no one and well, come on man - you know - the thing) doesn't follow the example set by Trump.

It is the Hypocrisy that attracts my attention. So it's not a case of you beating me with a superior point, it's that the point you are often trying to make is incidental to the one I'm interested in.


The whole left right thing is such a bullshitty facade. In bad news for Pritch, trump will never do a day in jail. That would require the establishment have to admit they let an outright fraudster into the top job at the white house - never going to happen.

Or maybe he won't do a day in Jail cause he's done nothing wrong ;)


And similar is going on over in the US politics scene now, lots of big noting investigations, must be seeing to show no one is above the law. the reality? Just last week the DOJ subpoenaed 30 phones. What a fucking joke, they have had a couple of years to scrub/replace their phones now, and after the maralago search, only the dumbest cunt polis won't of done that by now.

I agree they are big nothing investigations - but I disagree that they are to show no one is above the Law. They look more like the exercise of raw power of the regime against a Political opponent.


As mentioned in earlier posts, Desantis will be the end of Trump, as he wins the nomination for 2024, he will gracefully slip the knife into trumps heart all the while whispering his thanks into trumps ear for helping make him, and it now time for an eminently more handsome and articulate republican leader to take over the alter of bullshit.

So, considering I watch a lot of Libertarian leaning content - I've seen a lot of discussion on this topic. Desantis will definitely be the successor to Trump - the question is whether that's in 2024 or in 2028.

And these range from the likes of Ben Shapiro, JBP, Carl Benjamin and others.

Some of them (such as JBP) think it should be Desantis, pointing to Trump's many flaws (again - a common critique is that the Right never says anything bad about Trump...) and in particular JBP made the point that to contest the election result was a mistake philosophically "It was off-brand for Trump, Trump's brand is all about being a Winner. Winners don't let losers steal their victory" (Paraphrased) and also pointing that whilst in terms of Policy Trump and Desantis are similar, Desantis doesn't yet have the unreasonable hatred that Trump had (although if he announces, the hit pieces will come).

Others such as Ben Shapiro think that the Republican voterbase still supports Trump and that should it be Trump vs Desantis for the candidacy, Trump will steam-roll Desantis and that will hurt his future prospect a being a President.

Then there are those that look at it from a Story/Narrative Arc - that it should be Trump to effectively 'get redemption' (and perhaps a little revenge).

Me? I'd be happy with either - but I'll be honest, the more shenanigens the Democrats pull against Trump in a clear attempt to get something to stick to him to prevent him from running, the more I want him to win and "Now that the shoe is on the other foot".


Ahhhh, Desanatis, a much more marketable shyster to ladle on the bullshit. Case in point, his sudden desire to cut taxes for the little people. Check this article out. I'm sure all this tax relief being rolled out just before midterm elections benefiting woman of child bearing age - the very same being the most pissed of demographic regarding the republicans anti abortion policies is just sheer coincidence - right? :laugh: Normal service will be set to resume. We can go back to normal sleazy self serving politics instead of the shitty orange buffoons in your face 24/7 brand.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/weeks-before-election-desantis-proposes-slew-family-friendly-tax-breaks-slamming-dems-inflation
"We’re going to do no tax on school books, kids' books. We’re going to do no tax on athletic equipment for kids. We’re going to do no tax on toys for 12 and under, We want families to do well," DeSantis said.
And the suckers continue to lap it up, and foolish conservatives that think the Republicans are still a conservative movement are firmly in that suckers camp too. A special shout out to TDL here :bleh:

I mean - a Republican voting for less Taxes - Not sure how this is news worthy....

Also, you do know that the majority of the Pro-Life movement, are made up of Women right? It's almost like Women who have Children believe that there is something special about being pregnant and seek to protect it... Who Knew...

And what's more - a Republican who brands himself as defending Children and the Family from Wokeness is doing Policy to benefit children and the Family - Truly a Mastermind of Machiavellian evil!

As for the last line - it depends on what you mean by Conservative and Republican. Both parties have their philosophical basis in the Primacy of the Individual, Natural Rights, The Rule of Law and Small, Local Government. There are some difference the two to be fair - but these differences are not relevant here.

I see nothing in Desantis' flavour of Republicanism that goes against that. If there's something you think that goes against those values - then I'm interested in the what and the why?

[TheDemonLord]

The art of the steal...

New York Attorney General, Letitia James, announces her $250 million civil case against Trump Inc.
Be interesting to see who lines up to act for Trump, and how much they want in advance.
This is a civil case, it does not have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. There is a lower standard in civil cases.

There is more but this is the 'guts' of it.

So, they are lowering the Bar... I can smell the desperation from here.

[Grumph]

Not quite. The state case has also been referred to federal prosecutors. If he's fiddled state taxes, he's also fiddled federal ones.
The old classic Tax evasion charge might yet see him down.

I also note that an appeal court has allowed the DoJ to continue using the seized documents even while the special master looks them over.
I'd also point out the 3 judges were 2 Trump appointees and one Obama.....And they were critical of the judge who first heard the case too.

Generally it hasn't been a good day for Trump.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

[husaberg]

Don't give him too much credit, if you do a little digging on his rebuffs, a lot of them start crumbling real fast. He relies a lot of the sheer wall of text rebuffs that it is just too time consuming to check on it all.
A special shout out to TDL here :bleh:

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[pete376403]

To be fair - I couldn't remember which one it was - but one of the major issues was opposition from the House.

Then Biden happened...

Ok so explain how, for two years trump had both the house and the senate yet didnt manage to implement one of his key election platforms. Or was that Bidens fault, too?

[pritch]

Things are beginning to happen very fast. Trump went judge shopping for a compliant judge in South Florida, one that he had appointed, and got one who made a succession of "unusual" rulings.

The DoJ appealed, and just a few days later the appeals court: two Trump appointed judges and an Obama appointee, have upheld the appeal. They also awarded a variety of costs against Trump. This is getting very expensive and the Republican Party are not assisting with this.

The DoJ may now continue to investigate the 100 or so classified documents without delay. If Trump wants to play for time he can appeal to a sitting of the full court, all eleven judges or whatever. At the current rate of progress that might delay things a week or two.

So much winning.

[TheDemonLord]

Ok so explain how, for two years trump had both the house and the senate yet didnt manage to implement one of his key election platforms. Or was that Bidens fault, too?

In a word:

"RINOs"

[R650R]

Time for an encore performance you all still anticipating what’s don gonna do today 😂😂😂😂


https://youtu.be/TsKDO-r5STc

[pritch]

In bad news for Pritch, trump will never do a day in jail. That would require the establishment have to admit they let an outright fraudster into the top job at the white house - never going to happen.




I have seen how this works. I remember Jo Bilke Petersen, former Premier of Queensland. When he got to court his memory had failed, he just couldn't remember anything. Top politicians don't want Trump jailed. That would indicate it could happen to them. They don't like that idea. We can dream though...

DeSantis may have outsmarted himself. He sent fifty asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard 'to own the libs'. At a cost of twelve million dollars...
Martha's Vineyard is an expensive area presumably having Democrat sympathies. People with money live there. People like lawyers. Several lawyers have offered their services free of charge to the immigrants in cases against DeSantis. He has also being investigated by a sheriff for crimes.

This stunt actually falls within the legal definition of kidnapping in the US. If you offered a girl a ride home and then took her somewhere else, that's kidnapping by inveiglement, and that's similar to what happened in this instance. The people were told they were going to Boston where there would be jobs, money, etc. They were dumped in Martha's vineyard where nobody was expecting them but the locals rallied, they fed, and housed the victims until something could be sorted.