Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite]

Your thought for the day is confused. No surprises there. From memory California is the world's fourth biggest economy. A large chunk of their taxes goes to support the inbred Trump voters in the raggedy arsed states. They would love the federal government to give them an excuse to leave the US. California could become a province of Canada?

Love it, they could rename the new Country as Calanda :shifty:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Love it, they could rename the new Country as Calanda :shifty:

the aftermath of the upcoming civil war might look like Canada aligned with the western states (currently Washington State, Oregon, California - that gives them all of the western seaboard and borders with Canadia and Mehico... if they draw the line at (say) the top of the Rockies then they have to work out what to do with ARizona, Nevada, Utah. Colorado spans the Rockies too. Lot of nukes in bunkers in the flat bits. It is a fairly defensible land border but of course that is the least of your worries really. When California secedes from the Union, that will be the trigger.

[pritch]

There has been from time to time talk of secession. Marjorie Taylor Greene was keen on the idea of the southern states seceding. An approiately idiotic idea for her, the southern states are only kept afloat by money from the big cities which are all Democrat. The southern states on their own would be broke in weeks.

Recently I was watching a series on YouTube. A guy drives across the USA filming what he sees and citing the relevant statistics and history. In Texas many towns deliberately create an entirely false impression. The Main Street is sealed. The side streets are sealed for precisely one block. The rest is dirt roads. If you drive straight through it looks great.

Trump recently threatened to withhold federal funding from California. He must be about about as bright as MTG. The Governor of California replied that California would withhold all federal taxes. Difficult to do these days since most of the tax take is automated but hopefully he has somebody working on how it could be done.

Since I posted that previous post YouTube has served me up a Los Angeles resident passionately suggesting secession. From little acorns giant oak trees grow.

[TheDemonLord]

I feel I have found the perfect instrument for 2nd amendment aficionados.

Yes it is impracticable and not really fit for purpose, much like the second amendment itself.

The problem is that the Gun Drummer has already beaten you to it - and is far more awesome, practical and fits the purpose.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onBpdFxQz5M

[jim.cox]

Odd!

I genuinely thought

It would be the Republicans defending the Constitution

Not destroying it

I dont see a single one of them standing up to Trump - Spineless Jellyfish the lot of them

Guess it just goes to show how naive I must be

[neels]

I wonder if Trump's general dislike of things higher education related is due to him not being very good at it.

entire-fulbright-board-quits-in-mass-revolt-over-trump-assault (https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/entire-fulbright-board-quits-in-mass-revolt-over-trump-assault/ar-AA1GwLVC?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=c31ec56144a14a34d624425c92f78f64&ei=18)

[R650R]

Odd!

I genuinely thought

It would be the Republicans defending the Constitution

Not destroying it

I dont see a single one of them standing up to Trump - Spineless Jellyfish the lot of them

Guess it just goes to show how naive I must be

What part of the constitution written by patriarchal colonialist oppressors are the republicans destroying????

[pritch]

Trump has been referring to paid protestors again. There is no evidence to suggest this has ever been true but Trump has occasionally paid people to attend events.

His latest effort is paying people to attend his DC military birthday bash. Some of the language is interesting. They want people for 'space maximisation and attendance perception' as well as 'maximum perception control'. And for this the attendees get $1,000 paid in Trump's crypto currency, a lunch of fast food and a soda.

The ad particularly requires people of colour and ethnic groups who as a bonus are likely to be arrested by ICE after the conclusion of the day's events?


https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/tlg/d/washington-seat-fillers-needed-june/7857143452.html

[jim.cox]

What part of the constitution written by patriarchal colonialist oppressors

Ah. No,

Thanks for playing, but wrong answer

The American constitution came after the War of Independence, and was written by those that had thrown off the yoke of imperialism

Go to the bottom of the class

[HenryDorsetCase]

What part of the constitution written by patriarchal colonialist oppressors are the republicans destroying????

Read some history, son. It'll do you good.

Start here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States

There is a really good book I read years ago about the Constitutional congress. I cannot remember the title or author now. If I do I will send it on. Fun fact though: most of the delegates were atheists and it was really important to them that the machinery of government be free of the yoke of religion - bearing in mind they had just beaten the English who were ruled by a constitutional monarch who was apparently ordained by god to rule. Again - hazy memory but I am pretty sure Ben Franklin was a leading light.

Far cry from the christofascist theocracy now in charge, no?

[husaberg]

Ah. No,

Thanks for playing, but wrong answer

The American constitution came after the War of Independence, and was written by those that had thrown off the yoke of imperialism

Go to the bottom of the class

What is rather funny as the civil war started as the southern states wanted to leave the USA's oppression due of the to progressive and democratic rules with their too progressive and way too liberal hipster republican party...
This might be why trump thinks he's done more for the black people than any president maybe since Ab Lincoln.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbk4AQQDg9c

[sugilite]

The problem is that the Gun Drummer has already beaten you to it - and is far more awesome, practical and fits the purpose.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onBpdFxQz5M

Actually, that was bloody brilliant!
2A still sux arse though :bleh:

[sugilite]

trump to sycophant advisor "Wait, so you mean to tell me if we remove immigrants indiscriminately, somehow food does not to get to our tables????"
Queue The Village peoples hit song remixed especially for trump - "Taco, Taco man, I wanna be a Taco man" .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnhgeUmHcO0&t=81s

He will need to distract from the above, sooooooo send the troops into New York to "Protect Government Property?

I strongly advise the American people who actually value democracy - they need to give this cockwomble (and the armed forces at the same) a valuable lesson. And the best way they can achieve that is to go in their hundreds of thousands to trumps birthday parade in Washington, D.C this Saturday US time - and sit on the road "peacefully" in front of the tanks ensuring his parade goes nowhere. I think he will notice.

[pritch]

I strongly advise the American people who actually value democracy - they need to give this cockwomble (and the armed forces at the same) a valuable lesson. And the best way they can achieve that is to go in their hundreds of thousands to trumps birthday parade in Washington, D.C this Saturday US time - and sit on the road "peacefully" in front of the tanks ensuring his parade goes nowhere. I think he will notice.

They aren't doing that but there are a series of "No kings" protests all over the country. Well, in blue states anyway.

I just hope it rains on Trump's parade. The forecast did mention rain but currently the forecast is for sun and temperatures close to 100f. Nice for any troops marching.

[sugilite]

They aren't doing that but there are a series of "No kings" protests all over the country.
What a wasted opportunity. Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if the anti trump movement are as gormless as trump himself.
Maybe I should go and do a bit of promo work on some of the US News Websites comment sections.

[sugilite]

Would not have happened under Biden <_<

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360722787/israel-launches-pre-emptive-attack-iran

[pritch]

What a wasted opportunity. Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if the anti trump movement are as gormless as trump himself.


The Democrats seem to be. Top Democrat in the Senate wrote a 'stern letter' to Trump. Sending any kind of letter to a guy famous for not reading seems gormless.

One piece of good news: a federal court has restored control of the California National Guard to the governor. Governor Newsom says that tomorrow the Guard will go back to what they were doing before Trump interfered.

[Laava]

I am still hopeful that someone shoots the cunt. I cant help thinking that this israeli attack in Iran smacks of his meddling bullshit!

[Katman]

Maybe I should go and do a bit of promo work on some of the US News Websites comment sections.

Well I'm sure you couldn't do any worse than you do here.

[F5 Dave]

I'd be a bit surprised if he is above literature that doesn't have speech bubbles.

[pritch]

I'd be a bit surprised if he is above literature that doesn't have speech bubbles.

It might actually be worse than that. He doesn't take the daily presidential briefings. Last time he was in The White House they put his name in every other pragraph in an effort to keep him reading at least once or twice a week. That's not working now. One of his cabinet members wants to present the briefing in the form of a FOX News broadcast. He definitely watches those.

[F5 Dave]

How long is this four years going to take?

[husaberg]

I am still hopeful that someone shoots the cunt. I cant help thinking that this israeli attack in Iran smacks of his meddling bullshit!

30th March“If they don’t make a deal, there will be bombing,” Trump said in a telephone interview. “It will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-threatens-there-will-be-bombing-if-iran-fails-to-make-peace-deal/

Russia is openly helping Iranian exchange for drones etc

[sugilite]

Well I'm sure you couldn't do any worse than you do here.

Hey! Wassup Sourpuss?

I reckon a good catch cry to get this party started would be.... "Big protest in D.C. on <s>January 6th</s> June 14th - Be there, will be wild!" Have a big orange buffoon say it for extra omphalompa.

[Kickaha]

His latest effort is paying people to attend his DC military birthday bash. Some of the language is interesting. They want people for 'space maximisation and attendance perception' as well as 'maximum perception control'. And for this the attendees get $1,000 paid in Trump's crypto currency, a lunch of fast food and a soda.

The ad particularly requires people of colour and ethnic groups who as a bonus are likely to be arrested by ICE after the conclusion of the day's events?


https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/tlg/d/washington-seat-fillers-needed-june/7857143452.html

From everything I've seen that's been shown to be bullshit, yes the add was placed but no one seems to know by who as the company listed doesn't seem to exist

[Katman]

From everything I've seen that's been shown to be bullshit...

Since when has that ever bothered pritch?

[pritch]

From everything I've seen that's been shown to be bullshit, yes the add was placed but no one seems to know by who as the company listed doesn't seem to exist

Yes I've seen comments since. I didn't question it because although Trump often refers to "paid protestors" the only instances of people being paid to attend events that I know of has been by Trump himself. Every accusation a confession, as they say.

[husaberg]

Yes I've seen comments since. I didn't question it because although Trump often refers to "paid protestors" the only instances of people being paid to attend events that I know of has been by Trump himself. Every accusation a confession, as they say.
Narcissistic projection... like most trolls do .....
https://www.selfloverecovery.com/cdn/shop/articles/Picture1.jpg

Since when has that ever bothered pritch?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0d/85/38/0d85382bf72b332b046e3feafcd7b46b.jpg

[pritch]

Watching Trump's birthday bash. I knew the Yanks weren't great at marching but it's actually bad. They are just out for a walk. Guards regiments or French Foreign Legion they ain't.

[husaberg]

Watching Trump's birthday bash. I knew the Yanks weren't great at marching but it's actually bad. They are just out for a walk. Guards regiments or French Foreign Legion they ain't.

It seems Trump missed the bit where if you want to show you are powerful.
A gaudy show of force is not power. Just as a gaudy show of gold and flashy crap like gold taps and watches is not a sign of true wealth.
Superficial displays tend to come from very insecure personalities.
True power is shown through the use of restraint when faced with provocation and measured carefully considered response to aggressive acts.
True wealth is shown by understated class and willingness to help the less fortunate.
Maybe he's solely playing to the less sophisticated of all audiences. (Trump voters):eek:

[Katman]

True power is shown through the use of restraint when faced with provocation and measured carefully considered response to aggressive acts.

Fucking priceless!! :killingme

Kiwibiker's retarded version of Sun Tzu.

[pritch]

Well I sat right through Trump's parade waiting for the good part. It never came. First up were historic vehicles similar to any historic military vehicle gathering in this country. Then they moved on to Sherman tanks from WW2. Various Army units marched (shuffled) - in their fatigues. They didn't even get dressed for it.
Some of the crews of the armoured vehicles smiled and waved to the modest crowd. The crowd was not large, perhaps Trump should have paid out some crypto to seat fillers.
Putin will have had a good laugh.

Most appropriate comment I have seen so far? "Whoever organised this parade has never seen a parade."

Judging by their bored expressions we can assume that the wives of the dignitaries will do their best to ensure there is no more of this silliness.

[Pursang]

I've seen many, many, better ANZAC Day parades.

$US 65 (or more) million and they couldn't even grease the tracks links on the WW11 tanks.

What a Pathetic National Embarrassment!......and his birthday parade was pretty lame too!

[sugilite]

I did wonder if you guys might have just seen the left leaning medias take on the parade with carefully edited shots and pans. So I went over to fox to check out the other sides footage expecting to see something different. But OMG, Foxs footage also showed the same completely boring and uncompelling footage. The soldiers mostly looked like they did not want to be there and were just going through the motions. There were the usual maga desperadoes in the comments raving about it, but there was just no hiding the super low energy. I did not bother watching any of the no kings protest footage for comparison.
Speaking of people wanting to be treated like a king......

<iframe width="525" height="933" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NqPqdi3orzQ" title="TRUMP CAUGHT ON CAMERA: says he wants &quot;his people&quot; to obey him like in North Korea" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[pritch]

Speaking of people wanting to be treated like a king......


This has been a pattern. First go round he referred to "my generals". He also referred to 'my lawyers' and was taken aback when eventually told that the White House Counsel did not work for him but for the institution of the presidency, for the people, not the president. He had been discussing matters with the White House Counsel that he should not have.

Recently he has referred to "my army". That might seem quaint but it's actually dangerous.

As for the marching in his parade. US Army marching is always lame but one unit was particularly bad. The suggestion has been made that it was a form of protest.

The standard of drill reached by Guards regiments is extreme. This clip shows Legionaires in working kit similar to the troops in Trump's parade but the effect is just so much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4E28S64pCw


Afterthought: Just saw a comment on social media re Trump's parade - which has been mercilessly mocked in Russia and Korea apparently. A black former soldier commented that there are many black soldiers in the US Army but there was not a single black soldier in Trump's parade. Apparently the parade was strictly whites only. I didn't notice it at the time but now that it's mentioned.

[neels]

More TACO, and it's not even Tuesday.

trump-curbs-immigration-enforcement-farms-meatpacking-plants-hotels-and-restaurants (https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360724679/trump-curbs-immigration-enforcement-farms-meatpacking-plants-hotels-and-restaurants)

[Katman]

Afterthought: Just saw a comment on social media re Trump's parade - which has been mercilessly mocked in Russia and Korea apparently. A black former soldier commented that there are many black soldiers in the US Army but there was not a single black soldier in Trump's parade. Apparently the parade was strictly whites only. I didn't notice it at the time but now that it's mentioned.

The first video I checked out had a number of black soldiers marching.

Why do you constantly latch on to such idiotic ideas? (Especially ones that are so easy to disprove).

[F5 Dave]

Boom chucka chucka boom chuck chucka.
RAZZLE DAZZLE. (Name the movie for Internet choccy fish and bragging rights).

[husaberg]

There goes that narcissistic projection again twice in a single page...

[sugilite]

Speaking of easy to prove stances.
Check out this expanded country list that trump wants to block these counties citizens from visiting the states.
Sooooooooo many countries teeming with white Christians in that list - aren't there? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Cabo Verde, Cambodia, Cameroon, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Dominica, Ethiopia, Egypt, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Kyrgyzstan, Liberia, Malawi, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Sao Tome and Principe, Senegal, South Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Tonga, Tuvalu, Uganda, Vanuatu, Zambia, and Zimbabwe

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mulls-adding-36-more-075657725.html?guccounter=1

[FLUB]

Boom chucka chucka boom chuck chucka.
RAZZLE DAZZLE. (Name the movie for Internet choccy fish and bragging rights).Stripes

Sent from my Pixel 8 using Tapatalk

[F5 Dave]

Stripes

Sent from my Pixel 8 using Tapatalk

Fishy award.:sunny:

Talking of ridiculous parades. . .

[pritch]

The first video I checked out had a number of black soldiers marching.

Why do you constantly latch on to such idiotic ideas? (Especially ones that are so easy to disprove).

You referring to idiotic ideas with your history is ironic. It was a black guy wrote that so I assumed he knew that of which he spoke. My recollection was that the parade seemed white but no, there are black soldiers in the happy throng.

[R650R]

Taking out the trash , first clip is bit average but there’s some doozies in there that are worth watching.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5tzk5zCOeA

[R650R]

Fucking priceless!! :killingme

Kiwibiker's retarded version of Sun Tzu.

Must spread rep…. That is gross insult to Tzun Su though

[TheDemonLord]

It was a black guy wrote that so I assumed he knew that of which he spoke.

Because Race Grifters have never lied about Racism in order to justify their continued Grifting.

Jussie Smollet (for example)

[sugilite]

Interesting, giving a cursory look into this notion of the white soldiers narrative. A right leaning media outlet (originally set up by Nixon) was promoting the parade. Check out their promo example photo of US troops below.

https://nationalinterest.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Military-Parade-6_12_25-ss.jpg

Source = https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/the-us-army-will-descend-on-washington-dc-on-saturday

It sure looks like some ethnic and gender based cleansing was performed due to the cross reference of soldiers that did show up on the day :no: (photo below)

https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_new_republic_521/81e1f44768faee6d99e4f29ecb13be54

Pretty sad when the parade participants out number the spectators.

[F5 Dave]

Sheesh! Not an ICBM in sight! The Ruskis and N.Koreans showed them up considerably. :lol:

[Katman]

Recently he has referred to "my army". That might seem quaint but it's actually dangerous.

Is the president not the Commander in Chief?

[sugilite]

I think I found trumps next cabinet pick, surely he is a shoe-in with those credentials?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czpVCB_Q_qM

[R650R]

Zooming in on the second pic of Sugi post there is quite a few dark skinned and slightly darker skin tones, the two formations behind the caps are obscuring most of faces.
Given the advent of mixed families these days it can be hard to judge someone’s race purely on appearance so jury’s not out on this one.

And this has all come from left scratching for dirt to throw as they are the only ones into identity politics, right wing leaning people care about meritocracyand would just assume that however was selected for the parade were the best available troops at time.

In any case does anyone seriously think that even Trump would risk a career ending own goal by putting out a directive of what race soldiers will be in the parade. Just one disgruntled whistleblower would trigger race riots and downfall of his presidency.

[R650R]

Sheesh! Not an ICBM in sight! The Ruskis and N.Koreans showed them up considerably. :lol:

Mobile ICBMs are really just a Chinese and Russia thing, yanks have never really been into them.

[pete376403]

Mobile ICBMs are really just a Chinese and Russia thing, yanks have never really been into them.

There was the "Peacekeeper Rail Garrison" was a rail mounted system, so, mobile, even if not truck-mounted as the Russian /Chinese/Nth Korean versions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeper_Rail_Garrison

[Laava]

There was the "Peacekeeper Rail Garrison" was a rail mounted system, so, mobile, even if not truck-mounted as the Russian /Chinese/Nth Korean versions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeper_Rail_Garrison
Any chance they can point it at Mar a lardo?

[pritch]

Because Race Grifters have never lied about Racism in order to justify their continued Grifting.


This was against a background of Pete Kegbreath firing black officers and female officers to enhance "lethality." Selecting military presidential audiences according to political views and weight. Renaming naval ships named after people he dislikes. With all that going on a racially selected parade was not at all unlikely.

On the basis that it's an ill wind that blows no good, that parade was so bad there is unlikely to be another Trump parade. Until he shuffles off this mortal coil.

[Katman]

With all that going on a racially selected parade was not at all unlikely.

In a previous post you stated that you watched the entire parade, and yet you still swallowed the 'strictly whites only' bullshit.

That's a new level of fucking stupid - even for you.

[TheDemonLord]

This was against a background of Pete Kegbreath firing black officers and female officers to enhance "lethality." Selecting military presidential audiences according to political views and weight. Renaming naval ships named after people he dislikes. With all that going on a racially selected parade was not at all unlikely.

So, he removes people who promote a worldview that is the polar opposite of what the USA stands for (collectivists vs individualists) and doesn't use names that the US Liberals like?

Oh No!

And yes, spending time worrying about Diversity is time that could be spent on training or better equipment. Afterall, they are already all Green.

Now we come to the last part: Was the Parade racially selected or was the source you listened to lying to you?

(given we have the photographic evidence, this should be an easy answer)

[HenryDorsetCase]

In a previous post you stated that you watched the entire parade, and yet you still swallowed the 'strictly whites only' bullshit.

That's a new level of fucking stupid - even for you.

You, Sir, are a nasty piece of work. Fuck off again will you?

[Katman]

You, Sir, are a nasty piece of work.

I've been called a lot worse.

[sugilite]

Zooming in on the second pic of Sugi post there is quite a few dark skinned and slightly darker skin tones, the two formations behind the caps are obscuring most of faces.
Given the advent of mixed families these days it can be hard to judge someone’s race purely on appearance so jury’s not out on this one.

Yep, I could see some were black and mixed race, hence the term "Some". But nonetheless, I do find it a startling difference between the two photos. I reckon the ratio of black/mixed/white is about the same as trumps cabinet picks below.

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iHA6mnTfMNQo/v0/-1x-1.webp


And this has all come from left scratching for dirt to throw as they are the only ones into identity politics, right wing leaning people care about meritocracyand would just assume that however was selected for the parade were the best available troops at time.
Is this some sort of reference to DEI? I wanna puke every time right wingers raise the DEI thing, when again, looking at trumps cabinet, barely any of them could even begin to claim they are the "best" in their position. I can show you videos of nearly all of them not being able to answer the most basic of questions pertaining to their positions - and "I mean really, really bad videos of them. This DEI rhetoric from the right is pure bullshit, they just want their mates and rich people to be in positions of power - ala trumps cabinet.


In any case does anyone seriously think that even Trump would risk a career ending own goal by putting out a directive of what race soldiers will be in the parade. Just one disgruntled whistleblower would trigger race riots and downfall of his presidency.
It would not be a public directive, more a nudge and a wink to the right people. AND my perception pretty much since 2016 is that there simply no career ending move trump could make, his base will just prop him up no matter what. In my opinion trump is craving for disorder and riots as it gives him more opportunities to put in troops and wave that magic distraction wand to get people from noticing his MANY, MANY failures.

[husaberg]

There was the "Peacekeeper Rail Garrison" was a rail mounted system, so, mobile, even if not truck-mounted as the Russian /Chinese/Nth Korean versions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeper_Rail_Garrison


There was a concept, funny enough called "the Midgetman."

[pritch]

In any case does anyone seriously think that even Trump would risk a career ending own goal by putting out a directive of what race soldiers will be in the parade. Just one disgruntled whistleblower would trigger race riots and downfall of his presidency.

That could only make sense if you were blissfully unaware that he had just visited troops and the troops on view were selected by their political views and their weight. There were to be no fat soldiers visible.

[TheDemonLord]

That could only make sense if you were blissfully unaware that he had just visited troops and the troops on view were selected by their political views and their weight. There were to be no fat soldiers visible.

Now, I don't know about their Political Views - but in regards to their weight:

USMC has the Body Composition Standard (https://www.fitness.marines.mil/BCP_Standards/)

The Army has AR600-9 (https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/r2/policydocs/r600_9.pdf)

I CBF checking Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Space Force - but I feel reasonably certain that they will have similar regulations.

If there is a Parade and a service member was not adhering to the regulations on Uniform or Appearance - would they still be allowed to partake in the Parade?

That is a far simpler and reasonable explanation than a very stretched attempt to have a dig at Trump.

[pritch]

Now, I don't know about their Political Views - but in regards to their weight:

USMC has the Body Composition Standard (https://www.fitness.marines.mil/BCP_Standards/)

The Army has AR600-9 (https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/r2/policydocs/r600_9.pdf)

I CBF checking Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Space Force - but I feel reasonably certain that they will have similar regulations.

If there is a Parade and a service member was not adhering to the regulations on Uniform or Appearance - would they still be allowed to partake in the Parade?

That is a far simpler and reasonable explanation than a very stretched attempt to have a dig at Trump.



That's all completely irrelevant. Trump is all about appearances and nothing about the clip in question suggests the information is incorrect.

[Katman]

That's all completely irrelevant. Trump is all about appearances and nothing about the clip in question suggests the information is incorrect.

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

[TheDemonLord]

That's all completely irrelevant. Trump is all about appearances and nothing about the clip in question suggests the information is incorrect.

Do you know what other organization has a long and storied history about having Uniform Appearance, Standards, Physical Fitness etc?

In all seriousness - For the sake of a Hypothetical, Remove all traces of Trump from the equation.

A Military is doing a Parade.

Do they:

A) Pick the best people who conform to the standards who give off an Aura of Physical prowess, Battle readiness, Discipline etc. or
B) A bunch of scruffy and overweight Soldiers

Trying to argue that any Military would pick anything other than Option A is wild. Hell - There is videos from the likes of Senegal - where the Soldiers can barely march in step - yet all the people they picked still have the Aesthetic we would commonly associate with a Soldier.

[Laava]

Trump has wildly flipflopped from "sometimes you have to let countries fight" to "ayatollah must surrender unconditionally"

A very stable genius.

[pritch]

Do you know what other organization has a long and storied history about having Uniform Appearance, Standards, Physical Fitness etc?

In all seriousness - For the sake of a Hypothetical, Remove all traces of Trump from the equation.

A Military is doing a Parade.

Do they:

A) Pick the best people who conform to the standards who give off an Aura of Physical prowess, Battle readiness, Discipline etc. or
B) A bunch of scruffy and overweight Soldiers

Trying to argue that any Military would pick anything other than Option A is wild. Hell - There is videos from the likes of Senegal - where the Soldiers can barely march in step - yet all the people they picked still have the Aesthetic we would commonly associate with a Soldier.


You don't have to go to Senegal to find soldiers that can barely march in step. Marching in step was clearly beyond some of the soldiers in Trump's parade. Either that or it was a form of protest?
In fairness to the troops they had no music. A big parade in the west would normally have bands at intervals. In North Korea it seems to blast out over the PA system.

This morning YouTube thought I needed to see this. It covers Trump's visit to Fort Bragg which was the event I was referring to when I mentioned political views and weight because that had been reported. Trump has long controlled who sits behind him at rallies, or who sits in the front rows if they will appear on camera..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5uazGAS0Yg&t=1s



This also appeared on my screen. Not entirely relevant but... Drill such as that performed by Guards regiments requires an inordinate amount of time. Time that some would consider could be better spent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXPoczMFTI

[TheDemonLord]

You don't have to go to Senegal to find soldiers that can barely march in step. Marching in step was clearly beyond some of the soldiers in Trump's parade. Either that or it was a form of protest?
In fairness to the troops they had no music. A big parade in the west would normally have bands at intervals. In North Korea it seems to blast out over the PA system.

This morning YouTube thought I needed to see this. It covers Trump's visit to Fort Bragg which was the event I was referring to when I mentioned political views and weight because that had been reported. Trump has long controlled who sits behind him at rallies, or who sits in the front rows if they will appear on camera..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5uazGAS0Yg&t=1s



This also appeared on my screen. Not entirely relevant but... Drill such as that performed by Guards regiments requires an inordinate amount of time. Time that some would consider could be better spent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXPoczMFTI

The American video came off as just more Trump Bashing - however, I did enjoy the British one (shock!) - but it does raise a very good point. Even as a Trump fan - the snippets of the Parade (I haven't watched the whole thing) was a shambles. The closing line 'If you are going to do it, do it well'

Although one does wonder - perhaps it was intentional. If they marched properly - everyone would be making the comparison to NK or Russia - so Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

Finally...

God I miss Field Gun.

[pritch]

The American video came off as just more Trump Bashing -

It did, however, disprove your arguments entirely. The troops were selected by weight and their political views. Additionally they were not permitted to drink water. They were to be fully hydrated, which probably meant they were all bursting for a piss by the time it was over.

The American army never looks good marching, it's like they are into energy conservation, minimal movement of arms and legs. Trump's parade though was particularly bad at times. The person who said that whoever organised this parade had never seen one had a point.

[sugilite]

Trump has wildly flipflopped from "sometimes you have to let countries fight" to "ayatollah must surrender unconditionally"

A very stable genius.

My God man, that was so 5 hours ago.
Now trump is planning to enter the war :oi-grr:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360722787/israel-iran-conflict

[sugilite]

Yikes, does tulsi not know, if she lets trumps dick fall from her mouth for even a second, it is goneburgers for her.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-blows-off-gabbard-downplaying-iran-nuke-threat-wh-still-says-president-intel-chief-sync

[TheDemonLord]

It did, however, disprove your arguments entirely. The troops were selected by weight and their political views. Additionally they were not permitted to drink water. They were to be fully hydrated, which probably meant they were all bursting for a piss by the time it was over.

Now - on the first point selected by Weight - absolutely, the Memo says "Are to be fit and not look fat" - again, I say that this is easily in line general Military Aesthetic.

Not drinking during official duties? Again, this is not uncommon - It was national news a few years ago when the then Queens Guard needed water whilst on-duty because of the British Heat wave.

But on selected based on Political position? Hold up... Let's just review exactly what was shown on the news article shall we?


If any soldiers have political views that are in opposition to the current administration and they don't want to be in the audience then they need to speak to their leadership to get swapped out. Basically they don't want soldiers in the audience rolling their eyes or shaking their heads in disagreement

That's quite a world away from what you lead us to believe. They were not 'selected' as in "Oh you are a Democrat, you can't sit behind Trump" it is: "If you don't want to be there or you are going to break Military Bearing - let us know and you don't have to go"

And I use the phrase 'Military Bearing' because there is a very long history of Soldiers not cracking a smile, laughing, looking away, being distracted etc. whilst in an official capacity.

So no - they were not selected on Political Views, they were asked if they can't maintain bearing, not to go. BIG difference.


The American army never looks good marching, it's like they are into energy conservation, minimal movement of arms and legs. Trump's parade though was particularly bad at times. The person who said that whoever organised this parade had never seen one had a point.

I dunno - the USMC silent drill teams are pretty damn impressive, Sentinels of the Tomb of the unknown warrior are fantastic.

[pritch]

Now trump is planning to enter the war


Trump has no authority to enter a war. That authority is held by Congress alone. Then again Trump did not have the authority to send the National Guard or the Marines into Los Angeles. He did not have the authority to create a Department Of Government Efficiency either. He doesn't much care for laws, especially if they constrain him.

[Laava]

At one point he was just amusing in a "holy fuck, they elected(ended up with) a fucking retard in the top job" kinda way.
But now he is running amok big time and making some catastrophic mistakes.

[Katman]

At one point he was just amusing in a "holy fuck, they elected(ended up with) a fucking retard in the top job" kinda way.
But now he is running amok big time and making some catastrophic mistakes.

And yet you fail to recognise the irony of the fact that Americans were presented with a choice between two halves of the same shit sandwich.

[husaberg]

Trump has no authority to enter a war. That authority is held by Congress alone. Then again Trump did not have the authority to send the National Guard or the Marines into Los Angeles. He did not have the authority to create a Department Of Government Efficiency either. He doesn't much care for laws, especially if they constrain him.
Classic Trump.
Goes on and blames Trudeau for his friend Putins Russia being removed from G8 and and causing the war.
Never mind the fact Trudeau was not elected until a year after Russia were thrown out of the G8 .
He also seems to miss out they were thrown out for invading the Ukraine in the first place (the original annexation of Crimea)
Not to mention G7 are democratic countries, Only a fool would believe Russia is really democratic.
What an absolute pillock. He fanbois will never call him on this bullshit.....
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Then he confuses a trade deal he supposed to have signed with the UK calling it the EU
Not to mention the blank pages
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Then for the triple "blurred score" he confuses his own country and Israel.

US President Donald Trump demands Iran’s “unconditional surrender”, saying, “We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran.”

I am picking that is Israel never gave the yanks much of a heads up, as they yanks are now franticlly rushing a carrier to the med and another carrier to the Indian ocean from Japan
All the rest apparently are in home ports?

Bonus check out the Italian PM eye roll as trump starts to speak
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[Katman]

Then for the triple "blurred score" he confuses his own country and Israel.


US President Donald Trump demands Iran’s “unconditional surrender”, saying, “We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran.”


Considering the number of US bases that surround Iran, I suspect he actually does mean that America controls the air space over Iran.

Any 'confusion' is probably yours.

No surprises there.

[Laava]

And yet you fail to recognise the irony of the fact that Americans were presented with a choice between two halves of the same shit sandwich.
You have no idea of my recognition in that case Chemtrail Queen. Go fuck yourself with the rough end of a pineapple.

[Katman]

You have no idea of my recognition in that case Chemtrail Queen. Go fuck yourself with the rough end of a pineapple.

Sounds like someone's due for their next booster.

[husaberg]

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[Laava]

Sounds like someone's due for their next booster.
Whatever Karen. *yawn*

[sugilite]

OK, so trump left the G7 after telling everyone how much he misses Putin to make a big decision on Iran in the "situation room" didn't he?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwlTxj32w5E

[Laava]

Look what this retarded cunt is up to now….
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360731511/brian-tamaki-burns-flags-and-denounces-other-religions-auckland-rally
Oh wait, it's not Trump. Easy mistake to make!…

[pritch]

Trump has raised the possibility of appointing himself Chairman of the Federal Reserve. Hopefully he will announce in due course that he was joking.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Trump has raised the possibility of appointing himself Chairman of the Federal Reserve. Hopefully he will announce in due course that he was joking.

one of the things notably lacking in a psychopath is a sense of humour. Indeed, even the ability to fake a sense of humour.

[pete376403]

Trump Says U.S. Struck Three Iran Nuclear Sites, Joining Israel - prelude to WWIII?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2025/06/21/trump-says-us-struck-three-iran-nuclear-sites-joining-israel/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=36008063

[nerrrd]

Of course he did, he can't resist being seen as a tough guy. Expertly manipulated by Israel IMHO.

Now we get to find out the unforeseen consequences.

[Katman]

Expertly manipulated by Israel IMHO.

Israel has been expertly manipulating the whole world for decades now.

[Laava]

To recap.
Israel attacks Iran, unprovoked.
US attacks Iran, unprovoked.
Trumps warns Iran there must be peace….

seems legit.

[R650R]

Of course he did, he can't resist being seen as a tough guy. Expertly manipulated by Israel IMHO.

Now we get to find out the unforeseen consequences.

And to see if the MOABS function as advertised. Many esteemed experts have questioned just how effective they might be. Apparently suitable designed concrete angled structures can deflect the projectile to some degree.
Also the weapon fuses only when stops moving so it is possible to over penetrate like a battleship round going straight through a destroyer.
Although called 30,000 pound, the warhead is approx 5000lb and rest of weapon is 25000 pound of steel mass to penetrate.

And the movies showed us in advance they were just waiting to do this albeit filmed with F18s and Paveways instead


https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=1M_ixDKwA0rdvDBn&v=nJwKAhgWHOc&feature=youtu.be

[pritch]

Of course he did, he can't resist being seen as a tough guy. Expertly manipulated by Israel IMHO.

Now we get to find out the unforeseen consequences.

It's legally interesting because he did not have the right to bomb Iran. Only Congress can declare war. Then again he had no right to introduce tariffs, form DOGE, fire all the civil servants that were fired etc etc. Meanwhile Congress remains completely supine and a mental deficient Trump does what he pleases.

[Katman]

seems legit.

Fucking zionists.

[F5 Dave]

Of course he did, he can't resist being seen as a tough guy. Expertly manipulated by Israel IMHO.

Now we get to find out the unforeseen consequences.
Unforeseen by which idiots?

Many Americans were surprised why 911 happened.

This dumb shit. Just it's on the news now.

Sorry. On the lefty woke media.

[jellywrestler]

Many Americans were surprised why 911 happened.

was that real?

[Laava]

An AI shill bot

[nerrrd]

Unforeseen by which idiots?

Many Americans were surprised why 911 happened.

This dumb shit. Just it's on the news now.

Sorry. On the lefty woke media.

The idiot-in-chief?

[husaberg]

And to see if the MOABS function as advertised. Many esteemed experts have questioned just how effective they might be. Apparently suitable designed concrete angled structures can deflect the projectile to some degree.
Also the weapon fuses only when stops moving so it is possible to over penetrate like a battleship round going straight through a destroyer.
Although called 30,000 pound, the warhead is approx 5000lb and rest of weapon is 25000 pound of steel mass to penetrate.


Well its clear you are not one of the experts
You have confused a Moab and a MOP
Moab is a massive ordnance air blast ie it Blast in mid air to maximize the damage over a large area
a MOP is a Massive Ordnance Penetrator ie (bunker buster)
ie a GBU-57 series MOP
The first versions of a MOP were created in the first desert war using howitzer barrels as a penerator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJTq9yb_Zow


There has as far as I know one use of a MOAB (in Afghanistan) it was airdropped from a C130. in a narrow valley.


I actually thought the MOAb was potentially made out of a Navual barrel but alas no. Which is a shame.

They reveal that the weapon pictured was filled with around 4,590 pounds of AFX-757 and about 752 pounds of PBXN-114 for a total of around 5,342 pounds of high-explosive filler. The markings also note the total nominal weight of the MOP as being 27,125 pounds.

https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/03/343594109_165130d66189189_1982594499723283724_n.jp g?w=768&h=431

https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/04/MOP-GBU-57.jpg?w=1440&h=810

https://www.twz.com/our-best-look-yet-at-the-massive-ordnance-penetrator-bunker-buster-bomb

From what I understand they have deployed these in pairs sio the first one create the first hole and the second one follows they are accurate enough to follow each other it seems

[pritch]

In response to Trump's bombing of Iran the latter has said they will activate terrorist sleeper cells in the US. The US will now turn to their top anti-terror official to protect them. A 22 year old with experience in gardening and selling groceries is the man of the hour. The guy has zero qualifications or experience for the position but he loves Donald Trump. This would never have happened under any other president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critics-ramp-up-scrutiny-on-the-22-year-old-former-lawn-boy-trump-put-in-charge-of-terrorism-prevention-unit-amid-iran-threats-of-retribution/ar-AA1HbQAu

[R650R]

Trump is about to claim credit for stopping the war but actually it was me.

Finally had time and money to fill the car and spare container with petrol yesterday as the threat of Hormuz straight closure loomed. Crossing wartime emergency off list of speed ticket excuse too I guess.

[sugilite]

The imagery of two brothers fighting each other tooth and nail and then standing up straight like nothing happened because they hear Dad open the front door is very apt.

We will wait to see what happens in Russia and Ukraine.




Apparently the updated time frame is 6 months - If that is hit or we see a de-escalation in that region - will you then admit that Trump is a good president for world Peace - without having to accept any other aspects about him as positive?



You wanted me to give trump six months, I said there was no need as he had already failed his much promised timeline of 24 hours.

So now 6 months has passed and the Ukraine situation is no better and the Israel/Middle East situation is now magnitudes of times worse and worsening still more by the day - are you now willing to admit that your notion of trump having the skills to bring peace to these conflicts was at best, a fanboi fueled pipe dream?

[TheDemonLord]

You wanted me to give trump six months, I said there was no need as he had already failed his much promised timeline of 24 hours.

So now 6 months has passed and the Ukraine situation is no better and the Israel/Middle East situation is now magnitudes of times worse and worsening still more by the day - are you now willing to admit that your notion of trump having the skills to bring peace to these conflicts was at best, a fanboi fueled pipe dream?

I will give two answers - the first is that it is not worse than Biden (not a high bar)

But the second: I have been somewhat disapointed here. Not so much on the Ukraine front - but more on what is happening with Iran.

It is giving me very much 2003/GWB/Iraq vibes - and I don't like it.

I am also not the only one who otherwise likes Trump but isn't happy about the current turn of events - on Polls where it is clearly for a Right-Wing audience, questions that used to get responses in the high 90%, when asked about Iran and the current events - I am seeing closer to 70-30.

[sugilite]

I will give two answers - the first is that it is not worse than Biden (not a high bar)
The issue at hand was always can trump back up his words and end the war in Ukraine. It was never about comparing biden to trump. We are not off to a good start as the correct answer is trump has completely failed to broker peace in that war. Posting "Vlad, stop!" on truth social did not work. Go figure.


But the second: I have been somewhat disapointed here. Not so much on the Ukraine front - but more on what is happening with Iran.

It is giving me very much 2003/GWB/Iraq vibes - and I don't like it.

I am also not the only one who otherwise likes Trump but isn't happy about the current turn of events - on Polls where it is clearly for a Right-Wing audience, questions that used to get responses in the high 90%, when asked about Iran and the current events - I am seeing closer to 70-30.

With Netanyahu banging on about Iran being near having a working nuke has been going on since 1992! trump should never have fallen for that. I agree with you, this really does feel like a 2003/GWB/Iraq do over. In trump, Netanyahu has finally found a US president he can manipulate with ease due to trumps severe character flaws.

trump seems under the illusion he can turn a middle eastern war on and off like a light switch, unfortunately this will be very unlikely indeed.

[Dean]

Heyya Dean, nice to note your concern for the middle class.
With that in mind, what do you think of trumps "Big Beautiful Bill" adding trillions in national debt to largely pay for tax cuts for the rich?
And is adding national debt what republicans nauseatingly and insistently whined about all through the last 4 years?
From where I stand I can only see it being a big beautiful bill for the rich, and a big fucking ugly tax bill for the middle class to pay for years to come.
What say you?


Excuse the late reply.

Rich people generally don’t pay tax or they significantly minimise it anyway. They pay interest and/or run at a loss etc. So I don’t see much changing with this bill.

If anything they may actually end up paying MORE tax because the reduction has brought it closer to compete with the skyrocketing interest rates.

And the time and effort for writing off etc vs reward ratio has now reduced, rich humans value their time, they may end up paying the government instead of the banks.

What I’m getting at is it’s the middle class who benefit the most - justifiable in my eyes.

[pete376403]

With Netanyahu banging on about Iran being near having a working nuke has been going on since 1992! trump should never have fallen for that. I agree with you, this really does feel like a 2003/GWB/Iraq do over. In trump, Netanyahu has finally found a US president he can manipulate with ease due to trumps severe character flaws.

trump seems under the illusion he can turn a middle eastern war on and off like a light switch, unfortunately this will be very unlikely indeed.

Israel is reported to have at least 80 nuclear weapons , which it consistently denies. If Iran did in fact develop even one, they would know that the country would be turned to glass if ever it was used, so why would they even bother? Yet Israels nukes are the elephant in the room, never spoken of, even mentioning the Dimona facility earned an 18 year prison sentence for revealing what was in there. https://www.theguardian.com/news/defence-and-security-blog/2016/may/11/nuclear-whistleblower-faces-fresh-charges-30-years-on

[nerrrd]

If Iran did in fact develop even one, they would know that the country would be turned to glass if ever it was used, so why would they even bother?

Yes, seems odd to me that a country allied with Russia, China and North Korea has taken 30+ years not to develop a nuclear weapon, even with periodic Israeli interventions.

Especially now that they’ve shown themselves sane enough not to take on Israel and the US by themselves in a conventional war.

[Pursang]

and just like that....
356373

[R650R]

and just like that....
356373

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

Now apply that thinking to most mainstream media reports and not just the ones you agree with to start seeing the bigger pictureÂ…
YouÂ’ll notice our politicians love releasing bad news on a Friday. After a weekend of booze and arguing refs rugby calls we have forgotten by Monday that weÂ’ve just been rug pulled again.

Remember all the other injustices were supposed to be worried about, the girls in busing faso, migrant babies drowning in rafts, BLM etc non of those problems ever got any betterÂ….

[R650R]

Yes, seems odd to me that a country allied with Russia, China and North Korea has taken 30+ years not to develop a nuclear weapon, even with periodic Israeli interventions.

Especially now that they’ve shown themselves sane enough not to take on Israel and the US by themselves in a conventional war.

They are actually quite Intelligent in a diplomatic sense and been quite measured in responses to various provocations. I guess the big losses in Iran-Iraq war is not forgotten either.

But in reply to Pete’s comment about glass parking lot we in the west do not truely understand their logic. Their way of thinking is that if you die in a war or battle then that’s just part of standing for whatever principles/freedoms are at stake. Triggernometry channel has done some great interviews on this recently with experts about how we don’t understand Iran or Russia and we keep making mistake of applying our way of thinking to their cultures.

On a side note the whole nucluer thing is more about restricting access to cheap energy. If the nutters in North Korea have t nuked anyone then we can pretty much trust anyone else with them. Restrictions on nucluer materials are about restriction to cheap energy.
Show me a major economic power that does not have nucluer power stations as part of its energy infrastructure.
NZ needs to get past this hang up as the future evolves around AI data centres and our entire national output could easily be consumed by one decent mega data centres of future. We need to keep up or become third world irrelevant in 50 years time.

[sugilite]

Heyya, thanks for the answer.
Your words go against every reputable economists analyses on the subject.
It will add more than 2 trillion to their national debt, and the payback is coming out of middle class income earners pockets.


Excuse the late reply.

Rich people generally don’t pay tax or they significantly minimise it anyway. They pay interest and/or run at a loss etc. So I don’t see much changing with this bill.

If anything they may actually end up paying MORE tax because the reduction has brought it closer to compete with the skyrocketing interest rates.

And the time and effort for writing off etc vs reward ratio has now reduced, rich humans value their time, they may end up paying the government instead of the banks.

What I’m getting at is it’s the middle class who benefit the most - justifiable in my eyes.

[husaberg]

On a side note the whole nucluer thing is more about restricting access to cheap energy. If the nutters in North Korea have t nuked anyone then we can pretty much trust anyone else with them. Restrictions on nucluer materials are about restriction to cheap energy.
Show me a major economic power that does not have nucluer power stations as part of its energy infrastructure.
.
Your claim makes zero sense especially as the tech for reactors was freely shared by French and the USA.
Atoms for peace......
They only restrict the tech for the fuel and the enriching of fuel to in order to try to restrict nuclear weapons proliferation.

Also claiming anything based on the thus far non use by North Korea makes no sense especially as North Korea has lacked a long range delivery system.

North Korea is also more a threat and is it seems more afraid of its its own citizens.
Aside from China, who is realistically wanting to invade it?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Aside from China, who is realistically wanting to invade it?

South Korea?

[sugilite]

If course he did - after all crims gotta stick together!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyxg272nlyo

[F5 Dave]

South Korea?

Well Japan if you want to get historical. Not that long ago really.

[husaberg]

South Korea?
I don't see it, whilst they are still at war they have not from what I seen trying to invade or threaten or posture they just seem happy to do their own thing the north seemed more intent to want to help the south become "more north like"

[sugilite]

Can you imagine if this was a democrat pulling this massive corruption.

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[TheDemonLord]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360739891/best-week-donald-trumps-presidency-just-got-even-better

So, I have not read this article, nor am I commenting on the contents of the Article...

But...

Stuff?!? Posting something positive about Trump?!?

Have I fallen into some parrallel Dimension?

Am I High?

Did someone do a classic Switcheroo whilst I wasn't looking?

[pete376403]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360739891/best-week-donald-trumps-presidency-just-got-even-better

So, I have not read this article, nor am I commenting on the contents of the Article...

But...

Stuff?!? Posting something positive about Trump?!?

Have I fallen into some parrallel Dimension?

Am I High?

Did someone do a classic Switcheroo whilst I wasn't looking?

Maybe because it came from the Sydney Morning Herald - apparently they love him over there

[pritch]

The wheels grind slow but they grind fine... Lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, generally considered the architect of Trump's false elector scheme, has been banned from practicing law in New York. He is the fourth lawyer to lose his licence to practice law for doing Trump's bidding. Next up Alina Hubba?

[pete376403]

Look like the honeymoon is officially over: BREAKING: Billionaire oligarch Elon Musk stabs Donald Trump in the back in jaw-dropping fashion and announces that he will fund primary challenges to every Republican lawmaker who votes to pass the "big, beautiful bill."
This just went off like a bomb in MAGA land...
"Every member of Congress who campaigned on reducing government spending and then immediately voted for the biggest debt increase in history should hang their head in shame! And they will lose their primary next year if it is the last thing I do on this Earth," Musk wrote on Twitter.

[Laava]

Lols! This should be fun!

[sugilite]

And the trump crime wave rolls on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=619oKirSiCM&t=743s

[pritch]

Now the orange cretin is selling fragrances (or tying to). Presidents are forbidden to conduct business, it's in the Constitution. The list of shoddy Trump tat at extortionate prices grows. A fool and his money...

[TheDemonLord]

Presidents are forbidden to conduct business, it's in the Constitution.

Does it?

I think you are referring to:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 7:


The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

or

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:


No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

This has a good breakdown of it (https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S9-C8-3/ALDE_00013206/)

TL;DR - No, the Constitution doesn't say that. This was a view that lower courts adopted and was subsequently overruled

[sugilite]

And the Qatari gift 400 million dollar jet that for all intents and purposes goes to trump after his term is finished?

[Laava]

Now the orange cretin is selling fragrances (or tying to). Presidents are forbidden to conduct business, it's in the Constitution. The list of shoddy Trump tat at extortionate prices grows. A fool and his money...
Trump can do what he likes, anyone who comes up against him gets fucked over, one way or another, with all the sycophantic hangers on doing his bidding in the hopes that some kind of recompense, money or otherwise, will trickle down to them. He gets more Putinlike by the week. I can't imagine a world now where he can live long enough to be held to account…

[Kb2020dope]

SENATE PASSES TRUMP’S BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL

It’s official — Trump’s done what no one else could.

The Senate just passed his Big Beautiful Bill… Now it’s headed to the House!

[sugilite]

What exactly is it that Trump has done that nobody else has done?
What provisions within this bill excite you the most?



SENATE PASSES TRUMP’S BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL

It’s official — Trump’s done what no one else could.

The Senate just passed his Big Beautiful Bill… Now it’s headed to the House!

[sugilite]

The most transparently corrupt administration in US history.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360741267/first-rule-trumps-washington-dont-write-anything-down

[pritch]

The thought occurs that the redneck knuckle draggers that vote for Trump are unaware of what's coming. The Democrats are warning of massive cuts to Medicaid. It seems though that Medicaid is administered by the states, each of which has its own name for the assistance. Names like Denali Care or Apple Health may not immediately be identified as Medicaid. The rednecks aren't worried about losing their healthcare - and their hospital, because they are not aware they actually receive Medicaid by another name. We'll see.

[R650R]

Those that hate on Apple will love this. I wonder if trump is aware??? Those jobs are never going home. Apples training of Chinese engineers is perhaps the greatest treason by western people in modern times…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Ib_65qd6I

[pritch]

Back in February Pam Bondi, Trump's US Attorney General, said the Epstein file was on her desk awaiting her review. Today she said there is no Epstein file.
I can't help feeling the word "now" is missing from her latest announcement.

[Katman]

I can't help feeling the word "now" is missing from her latest announcement.

Careful, someone might call you a conspiracy theorist.

[sugilite]

Looks like their "Small Government" fantasies are being drowned out by Big Bullshit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIg9iD6MOII

[nerrrd]

...Apples training of Chinese engineers is perhaps the greatest treason by western people in modern times...

That's a novel interpretation of capitalism and free trade.

[pritch]

It seems Musk wants the Epstein list in the news. He mentioned it several times yesterday. This was my pick.

[Katman]

It seems Musk wants the Epstein list in the news. He mentioned it several times yesterday.

I wonder if he'll be the next to inexplicably leap to his death from a 40th floor window.

[sugilite]

It seems Musk wants the Epstein list in the news. He mentioned it several times yesterday. This was my pick.

Trump appears on the official flight records as going to epsteins island 7 times - and he is a convicted sex predator.

It is very interesting that when musk stated trump was on the list, just a few short weeks later suddenly its "what list?" :laugh:

Trumps going to need a distraction as this is not going away, so yesterdays tariff distraction has not been enough to push the epstein gig off the headlines - bomb Iran time again? Lets see what the big distraction will be this time. :jerry:

[pritch]

The stable genius distinguished himself yet again. During a visit by a delegation from Liberia to the White House Trump congratulated the Africans on their beautiful English at some length. The official language of Liberia is English.

There is an online World Factbook published by the CIA it contains basic information about most (all?) countries. Trump doesn't read so he operates at idiot level but he hires incompetent people which compounds the problem. In any other administration the president would be briefed on the relevant details prior to the visit. Ah well, it's funny but it's scary too.

[pritch]

Trump appears on the official flight records as going to epsteins island 7 times - and he is a convicted sex predator.


Ghislane Maxwell reportedly had an address book too.

[pete376403]

Ghislane Maxwell reportedly had an address book too.

The implied threat of that being released if "something" should happen is probably the only think keeping her alive

[husaberg]

I wonder if he'll be the next to inexplicably leap to his death from a 40th floor window.

Shouldn't it be you on account of all the conspiracy knowledge you claim to have.
Surely, as you claim to be right with substantial proof, for hundreds of conspiracies would make you a high-value target for these shadowy powers.

[Laava]

Wonder how this will play out?…

[pritch]

In a show of "transparency" the Trump administration released supposedly raw footage from a camera outside Epstein's cell. Wired thinks perhaps not.

https://www.wired.com/story/metadata-shows-the-dojs-raw-jeffrey-epstein-prison-video-was-likely-modified/


This kinda fits here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WhrHH8Y4OMg

[Laava]

Mr fragile ego…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360755700/trump-says-hes-considering-taking-away-rosie-odonnells-us-citizenship

[F5 Dave]

Mr Democracy in the land of the free.

[TheDemonLord]

Something I have noticed that I find interesting on this subject.

Now - for the record, I have no particularly strong feelings on the Epstein Case, the list etc. but there are many that do.

There are many popular Right-wing commentary sites (not just small/niche ones) that have been excoriating the Trump administration over this.

"That is not particularly interesting" I hear you say.

Well, the interesting part is the comparison to Left-Wing commentary sites when Biden the president - the amount of Wagon Circling from the Left vs the amount of disagreement happening within the Right.

I mean - the highest profile instance atm is Elon.

Why do I raise this - well, people often accuse the Right/MAGA of being a Cult - and yet, there is more open disagreement about Policy happening publicly (with all the replete mud slinging) than I have ever seen from the Left.

Now, I will grant, there are Fringe left-wing commentators whose entire spiel could be summed up as 'We aren't in a Cashless, Stateless, Classless society (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society)' - but amongst the main Left-wing commentary, there is not the amount of spirited disagreement that I have seen.

I find this comparison interesting.

[pritch]

"That is not particularly interesting".




The comparison that you find interesting is largely imaginary.

The cult believes in the scenario that had Hillary Clinton indulging in child sex and cannibalism in a basement under a pizza place They have continuously been sold fantasies of Democrats committing child sex crimes and they were expecting the Epstein list, or his 'home movies', to feature many Democrat politicians. Trump and Epstein were besties for fifteen years and Trump will surely star in any records. Most Democrat supporters that I've seen comment have said that anybody listed should be prosecuted regardless of party.

Spirited disagreement? Perhaps not. Some seventy million people voted for a criminal conman who got elected because ninety million people thought Kamala Harris was not quite good enough to be president and didn't vote at all.

[R650R]

Spirited disagreement? Perhaps not. Some seventy million people voted for a criminal conman who got elected because ninety million people thought Kamala Harris was not quite good enough to be president and didn't vote at all.

It’s nice to see people have moved on from the conspiracy theory that the election was rigged and aided by Russia to get Trumps win and now respect the result of the legitimate elections

[pritch]

It’s nice to see people have moved on from the conspiracy theory that the election was rigged and aided by Russia to get Trumps win and now respect the result of the legitimate elections

It was never just a conspiracy. There was election rigging by the Republicans, (gerrymandering are us). There was and is documented Russian interference.

Interestingly a Democrat Congressman has just moved that a vote be held on releasing the Epstein files. The votes against would tell a tale. So much so that I can't believe the Republican Speaker will permit the vote. Which will also tell a tale.

[R650R]

It was never just a conspiracy. There was election rigging by the Republicans, (gerrymandering are us). There was and is documented Russian interference.

Interestingly a Democrat Congressman has just moved that a vote be held on releasing the Epstein files. The votes against would tell a tale. So much so that I can't believe the Republican Speaker will permit the vote. Which will also tell a tale.

With all the money in Washington politics you can bet it’s not just politicians that might be on that list. Will be interesting to see what happens. Really it should be left with police/fbi to investigate properly. As I understand so far the list is just who might have visited the island it does t mean anyone from either side was there at a time of wrong doing or had knowledge.

[TheDemonLord]

Most Democrat supporters that I've seen comment have said that anybody listed should be prosecuted regardless of party.

So, if that is the case - where was the calls, from the left, to release the Epstein files over the last 5 years? The silence was deafening.

Suddenly, there is division in the Right Wing camp - suddenly the Democrats are calling for release? That is political theatre.

[sugilite]

A trump apologist invoking the term "political theatre" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Cheers for that mate, I needed a laugh this morning. Trump runs the show exactly as a bad reality tv show! Half his cabinet are tv personalities for fucks sake :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The dems may be calling for it, but will be secretly praying it does not get released. I would go as far as to say this could possibly be the only bipartisan thing the 2 sides agree on (behind closed doors) as there will be grubs from both sides of the isle on that list, and a fair few celebs too I would assume.

What makes me nervous is what distraction is the orange vomit bag going to come up with to get people off the epstein list? The tariffs replay has not done the trick, bomb some other country instead maybe? What will it be???!!!!

[pritch]

So, if that is the case - where was the calls, from the left, to release the Epstein files over the last 5 years? The silence was deafening.

Suddenly, there is division in the Right Wing camp - suddenly the Democrats are calling for release? That is political theatre.

Only in the extreme right wing press that you peruse. It has popped up from time to time but the left probably considered that there was not too much point as Trump would not want the details public. Just as has transpired. Today I saw a clip (undated) of trump Jr almost hysterical about wanting the release of the list. I thought that odd as his pop is sure to feature large after seven flights on the Lolita Express. That blonde kid that Prince Andrew didn't have sex with but paid a couple of million quid anyway. Out if the goodness of his heart presumably. She was recruited by Ghislaine Maxell from a club called Mar A Lago. You may have heard of it?

[pritch]

Originally Twitter only permitted 120 characters in a tweet. We look back on that now with nostalgia. This rambling "Truth" from Trump was badly ratiod by MAGA, that's a first on his own social media empire.

[pritch]

There is an interesting story, at once unbelievable but then again perhaps not. The gold trophy awarded to Chelsea for their win at the World's was reportedly a replica. The original is in the Oval Office. Trump took a liking to it?

If that seems totally far fetched, a story describing how the FIFA president had to drag Trump away from the stage at the presentation might seem over the odds too, but it's true.

[sugilite]

Originally Twitter only permitted 120 characters in a tweet. We look back on that now with nostalgia. This rambling "Truth" from Trump was badly ratiod by MAGA, that's a first on his own social media empire.

As per usual in the US, if you want the actual "news" you have to watch a few comedian shows. This explains rather nicely why trump is desperate for this to go away - he is neck deep in it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPGBi6_G6i4

Unfortunately, I do not think it will ultimately dent the "tribe before truth" maga world for very long, once the master of distraction starts finding his footing again.

[sugilite]

Trump fires a prosecutor that was heavily involved in the epstein and giswall cases - not suspicious at all :laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aESuh3i4eJ4

[husaberg]

Trump in 2023


NEW YORK (AP) — As his supporters erupt over the Justice Department’s failure to release much-hyped records in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking investigation, President Donald Trump’s strategy has been to downplay the issue.
The political crisis is especially challenging for Trump because it’s one of his own making. The president has spent years stoking dark theories and embracing QAnon-tinged propaganda that casts him as the only savior who can demolish the “deep state."

Now that he's running the federal government, the community he helped build is coming back to haunt him. It's demanding answers he either isn’t able to or doesn't want to provide.“I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is,” Trump told reporters Tuesday.

Last week, Trump quickly defended Attorney General Pam Bondi and chided a reporter for daring to ask about the documents.

The online reaction was swift, with followers calling the Republican president “out of touch” and demanding transparency.


“I don’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody.” Trump said.

Over the weekend, Trump used his Truth Social platform to attempt to call supporters off the Epstein trail amid reports of infighting between Bondi and FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino over the issue. He suggested the turmoil was undermining his administration — “all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein.”

Asked Tuesday whether Bondi had told him his name was in the Epstein files, Trump said no. He praised her handling of the case and said she should release “whatever she thinks is credible." But he also claimed there were credibility issues with the documents, suggesting without citing evidence they were “made up” by former FBI Director James Comey and former Presidents Barack Obama and Joe Biden, both Democrats. Bondi declined to discuss the Epstein files Tuesday during a press briefing about drug trafficking.

“The faulty assumption Trump and others make is they can peddle conspiracy theories without any blowback,” said Matt Dallek, a political scientist at George Washington University. “The Epstein case is a neat encapsulation that it is hard to put the genie back in the bottle.”

A problem that’s not going away
Last week’s two-page statement from the Justice Department and the FBI saying they had concluded Epstein didn't possess a client list roiled Trump’s supporters, who pointed to past statements from several administration officials that the list ought to be revealed.

Bondi had suggested in February such a document was sitting on her desk waiting for review.
Conservative influencers have since demanded to see all the files related to Epstein’s crimes, even as Trump has tried to put the issue to bed.

[pritch]

Trump fires a prosecutor that was heavily involved in the epstein and giswall cases - not suspicious at all :laugh:


That seems counter intuitive. If she's on the staff they can control her to an extent. As a free agent she can talk.

Update: I don't realise it at the time but it is mentioned. The lawyer in question is Maureen Comey, daughter of James Comey, former head of the FBI. Trump has instructed the DoJ to investigate James Comey. Not in the expectation of finding anything but just to bugger him about and cause him to spend potentially large sums on lawyers.



Currently many DoJ lawyers are resigning. Nobody wants to defend Trump. Representing Trump in court usually proves expensive for his legal counsel. It definitely doesn't eanhance career prospects.

[neels]

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[pritch]

Is Trump losing it? Not that he has much to lose.

Trump claimed his uncle, the MIT professor, taught the Unabomber. The Unabomber did not go to MIT and his uncle died years before the identity of the Unabomber was known. (Google Unabomber if needed.)

Trump is considering firing the Chair of the Federal Reserve. He says it was a terrible appointment. Trump appointed him.

Similarly he recently made derogatory remarks about Chris Wray, until recently head of the FBI. Wray too was appointed by Trump.

The latter two were performing at a far higher level than any of his current clown show cabinet.

[neels]

Is Trump losing it? Not that he has much to lose.

Trump claimed his uncle, the MIT professor, taught the Unabomber. The Unabomber did not go to MIT and his uncle died years before the identity of the Unabomber was known. (Google Unabomber if needed.)

Trump is considering firing the Chair of the Federal Reserve. He says it was a terrible appointment. Trump appointed him.

Similarly he recently made derogatory remarks about Chris Wray, until recently head of the FBI. Wray too was appointed by Trump.

The latter two were performing at a far higher level than any of his current clown show cabinet.
Perhaps not enough blood getting to his brain?

trump-diagnosed-heres-what-know-about-chronic-venous-insufficiency (https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360762381/trump-diagnosed-heres-what-know-about-chronic-venous-insufficiency)

[pritch]

Perhaps not enough blood getting to his brain?

trump-diagnosed-heres-what-know-about-chronic-venous-insufficiency (https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360762381/trump-diagnosed-heres-what-know-about-chronic-venous-insufficiency)

That made me smile. It occurs in pregnant women for the same reason. Too much weight in the abdomen putting pressure on the veins.

[sugilite]

Try telling president cankles that, he seems to think raising tariffs on a sovereign country in order to get it to drop charges to his fellow criminal is the done thing. :facepalm:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/17/americas/trump-not-emperor-world-lula-intl

[pritch]

Almost uniquely I find myself in complete agreement with Trump. He said his supporters are stupid for believing him. Exactly.

[Laava]

Almost uniquely I find myself in complete agreement with Trump. He said his supporters are stupid for believing him. Exactly.
Wow, that's a terrible position to be in. Are you OK?

[Laava]

Try telling president cankles that, he seems to think raising tariffs on a sovereign country in order to get it to drop charges to his fellow criminal is the done thing. :facepalm:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/17/americas/trump-not-emperor-world-lula-intl
He has spent his entire life so wrapped up with his own self that he just does not understand what it is to be a regular human being.

[F5 Dave]

No no.

He is fighting the good fight ordained by Jezus.
Even though not from his own country he is on the side of the oppressed like KuntMan and
Total
Damn
Loser.

[pete376403]

and sometimes you find yourself agreeing with Musk

[Laava]

Lolz that is a gem!

[Pursang]

Looks like elon finally got himself some decent content writers!
Or,.... perhaps it's just the 'enough monkeys' theorem in action.

[neels]

Criticising the terrible job Jerome Powell is doing as chair of the fed, and who appointed him :facepalm:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMeqQ7Z2cp4

[husaberg]

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great............

[sugilite]

It would appear that trump has ordered the release of the epstein evidence curiously from the point of view it is specifically the grand jury evidence. Well, curious no more. I will let Brian and Glen explain that particular evidence will never be released due to special protections grand jury evidence gets, but allows trump to say "but I tried".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvKHA-pz4lE&t=109s

The dems should be shouting this from every vantage point - watch them fail to do so miserably because they are an incompetent rabble of halfwits.

And if course, under the heading of "Not suspicious at all" Trump orders 1000 FBI agents to scrub his name from the epstein files.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-qBykfiCTQ

In reality I have no idea why this particular issue is the only one in 12 years of "issues" that is dragging the orange vomit bag down, but it just keeps going!

[Laava]

Will there be a whistleblower?

[pritch]

The people at Paramount apparently thought that if you give the school bully your lunch money he'll go away and never bother you again. When Trump sued them in a bullshit case they settled for $16 million. Paramount need government approval for a proposed merger so evidently they figured the $16 million was just a business expense. If you give your lunch money to the school bully he doesn't go away he comes back. CBS have announced the end of the Stephen Colbert late night show. The business expenses are rising. Colbert will be fine, he probably never needs to work another day in his life. The writers and producers though, not so much.

Obama didn't like Fox, with good reason. He never tried to control their content though. This latest Trump move is not very authoritarian. Much.

[nerrrd]

The people at Paramount apparently thought that if you give the school bully your lunch money he'll go away and never bother you again. When Trump sued them in a bullshit case they settled for $16 million. Paramount need government approval for a proposed merger so evidently they figured the $16 million was just a business expense. If you give your lunch money to the school bully he doesn't go away he comes back. CBS have announced the end of the Stephen Colbert late night show. The business expenses are rising. Colbert will be fine, he probably never needs to work another day in his life. The writers and producers though, not so much.

Obama didn't like Fox, with good reason. He never tried to control their content though. This latest Trump move is not very authoritarian. Much.

Yeah not sure I’d agree this is politically motivated, although pleasing the President might be seen as a bonus, it’s hard to see much of a future in existing linear television formats. Plus Colbert’s salary is bound to represent a significant saving all by itself, he’ll probably end up with a podcast on Youtube. Hopefully the staff haven’t spent a lifetime learning and developing skills which AI can easily mimic…oh wait.

I know it’s small beer by comparison, but Stuff recently stopped publishing 15 Community Newspapers in Auckland, which makes me sad also. The world is moving on and frankly I’m not so sure I want to go with it.

[husaberg]

Yeah not sure I’d agree this is politically motivated, although pleasing the President might be seen as a bonus, it’s hard to see much of a future in existing linear television formats. Plus Colbert’s salary is bound to represent a significant saving all by itself, he’ll probably end up with a podcast on Youtube. Hopefully the staff haven’t spent a lifetime learning and developing skills which AI can easily mimic…oh wait.

I know it’s small beer by comparison, but Stuff recently stopped publishing 15 Community Newspapers in Auckland, which makes me sad also. The world is moving on and frankly I’m not so sure I want to go with it.


But when you consider what else is at stake.

But Shari Redstone, the chair and controlling shareholder of Paramount, told her board that she favored exploring a settlement with Mr. Trump. Some executives at the company viewed the president’s lawsuit as a potential hurdle to completing a multibillion-dollar sale of the company to the Hollywood studio Skydance, which requires the Trump administration’s approval.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/media/david-ellison-fcc-chairman-paramount-deal-cbs-rcna219687





David Ellison, Skydance’s CEO, met with Federal Communications Chairman Brendan Carr to seek approval for his firm’s long-in-the-making merger with Paramount, according to a letter from a Skydance lawyer included in a federal filing. The transaction has roiled Paramount subsidiary CBS News and its longtime crown jewel, “60 Minutes,” amid fights over its editorial independence. Ellison is the son of tech billionaire Larry Ellison, a major supporter of President Donald Trump.

[pritch]

Trump deciding to sue the Wall Street Journal seemed odd. It's owned by the Murdochs who own FOX which supports Trump beyond reason. I just noticed that the amount is $10 billion. That should be enough to piss the Murdochs off. If FOX declares war on Trump he will be in serious trouble.

:corn:

[sugilite]

Yeah, imagine if fox started telling the truth about how shit trump is really doing at near every aspect of the job.

[R650R]

How Trump could repeat a previous presidents move to tackle debt that would really screw us over in NZ.

What if I told you that the US government has a secret plan to revalue gold at $15,000 an ounce and it will wipe out the current year's deficit and reduce the US government debt and it won't cost you a single penny.
We're talking about a potential revaluation of the US government's gold holdings from the statutory price of $42 to $15,000 an ounce
. Today, I'm going to break down how this could happen, who gets rich, why the whispers about this plan are getting louder in the highest circles of power, and how you can know when it's about to happen and prepare yourself.Let's start with a simple fact.
The United States government owns a lot of gold. It's about 261 12 million ounces to be exact. But here's the crazy part. On the official books of the government, this gold is valued at just $42 an ounce. That's the statutory price of gold set in 1972. The gold thus has a book value of only 11 billion US. But at today's market price of about $3,300, that same gold is actually worth over $862 billion. And if gold were to be revalued to $15,000 an ounce, that gold would be worth over four or nearly $4 trillion.
But let's go back in history a little bit. Where did this gold come from in the first place? Currently, it's held by the US Treasury, which is a branch of the US government. But it wasn't always theirs. Back in 1934, in the middle of the Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Gold Reserve Act. This law forced the Federal Reserve, who held the gold, to hand over all of its physical gold to the US Treasury. And in return, the Federal Reserve got a piece of paper, an IOU called a gold certificate. If you look at the Fed's balance sheet today, it's the very first asset listed on the balance sheet. It's called gold certificate account and it's valued at that same $11 billion. But it's just an accounting receipt. It's not a claim to get their gold back ever
. The Federal Reserve cannot and may not convert that certificate into gold. And it's and it has no right to ask for redemption of the certificate. So the only way it can be redeemed is if the Treasury so decides and if they redeem it, they'll redeem it at the statutory price of gold, i.e. at $4222 an ounce, uh, which is 11 billion. So that gold certificate is on the books as 11 billion. It's only worth 11 billion and it never will be worth anymore and it can't even be cashed in, at least not at the holders be behest. So we go back to 1934. All that gold was transferred from the Federal Reserve to the Treasury as a result of the Gold Reserve Act.
But Roosevelt wasn't done on that day. The next day, he devalued the US dollar by over 40%. He did this by changing the official price of gold from $20.67 an ounce to $35 an ounce. Or more precisely, as it was worded um in his proclamation, he reduced the gold weight of the dollar from 25.8 8 grains of gold, 9/10 fine, to 15.715 grains of gold, 9/10 fine. Obviously, we know it today as an increase in the price of gold from 20 to to $35. Now, this move, this genius move at the time created a 2.8 billion paper profit out of thin air. And Roosevelt made absolutely sure that that profit went straight to the Treasury, not to the Fed. He said, and I quote, "We believe that all profits should revert to the Treasury of the United States for the benefit of the country as a whole." And with that, the Fed was left with a bit of paper and nothing more. Obviously, their real gold was now gone.
The move shocked bankers in London, Paris, and Zurich. The mighty US dollar that they held had suddenly lost 41% of its value overnight. Foreign bankers saw it as an aggressive, unfair trade tactic. It was a clear signal that the old rules of money no longer applied. So why am I talking about something which happened 90 years ago? Because today the USA is facing a similar crisis. The national debt is spiraling out of control. The interest payments alone are becoming one of the biggest expenses of the entire federal budget. and worse is to come. The government has to refinance about 9 trillion of its debt over the next four years. That's roughly one/ird of its debt. This debt was issued when interest rates were low about 1 and a.5% to 2%. Today, interest rates or yields on bonds are closer to 5%. That refinancing cost, which is coming over the next few years, is going to cause the government's interest costs to explode. Something has to be done. And that's where the 1934 playbook comes into focus. The idea gaining traction is to repeat Roosevelt's move, but on a much grander scale. A revaluation of gold to $15,000 would generate $3.9 trillion of windfall for the Treasury. It would wipe out the entire budget deficit for 2025 or 2026 when they do it. and it would allow the government to pay down a huge chunk of the national debt. So, how would this work technically? Because it's a kind of monetary slight of hand, but it can be done in four simple steps which I'm going to outline and I'm not asking for any Nobel Prize for explaining this. First, the Treasury would buy back the gold certificates held by the Fed, paying the value, $11 billion. Secondly, the president would issue an order raising the official statutory price of gold to $15,000 an ounce. Thirdly, the Treasury now sell all of its gold to the Federal Reserve at the new price, the new statutory price, receiving in exchange $3.9 trillion of newly created digital cash. And finally, the government would repeat the 1934 trick, which is to pass a new law, forcing the Federal Reserve to hand over that gold back to the Treasury in exchange for, you've guessed it, another gold certificate. The end result, the Treasuryy's got its gold back. Plus, it's got $3.9 trillion in cash created out of thin air. $3.9 trillion in cash created out of thin air by the Fed. And since the gold certificates aren't counted as government debt, the national debt could be drastically reduced. And of course in the current year there would be a huge profit made by the Treasury uh resulting in a budget surplus instead of the huge deficit that everyone's expecting. So who wins in this scenario and who loses? Well, the biggest winner by far is the US government. But the other beneficiaries would be anyone who owns gold or anything related to gold such as gold mining stocks. Central banks in countries like Russia and China would see their assets sore. Individuals who own gold coins or bars would see their wealth multiply. And of course, gold mining companies would become incredibly profitable overnight. Now, probably you're thinking this just benefits the rich and at first you're absolutely right. I mean, let's consider Scott Bessant. He's the Secretary to the Treasury, one of the most important positions in the country. He has a say in what will happen. But before he was secretary of the treasure treasury, he was the founder of a major hedge fund called Keys Square Group, which had exposure to gold mining stocks. And before that, uh, he was part of George Soros's team, the man who broke the Bank of England by betting against the pound. So taking big bets is something that he will know all about. Now whilst he's probably divested himself of these private interests probably as a requirement of becoming uh taking office uh of as secretary of the treasury. His public statements are what are most interesting and this is where I get the information to say that remonetization of gold probably at $15,000 is under consideration as I speak. So what Scott Bessett has said, he has talked about the need to monetize and I using words he used monetize the asset side of the US balance sheet. Now if you're a financial insider, you know that's a clear code phrase for revaluing gold. Whilst he didn't use the exact phrase revalue gold in the context of the US balance sheet, the single most undervalued and readily monetizable asset on the balance sheet is the nation's gold reserve. It's crystal clear that when he says monetize the treasury's assets, he must be talking about gold. There is nothing else that can be monetized. about an insider. And perhaps today we have insiders who will be finding a way to secretly trade on the back of information they know is coming and you don't. And that's why I think before we have this move to $15,000 gold, you'll see the price moving up rapidly. you'll see the dollar moving down rapidly and that will be your warning sign that it's imminent. So, will gold be revalued to $15,000? We don't have any official confirmation of that, at least not yet. It could be more. It could be less. I think that would be a sensible price to move it to. All we know is that Scott Bessant has advocated monetizing the Treasury's balance sheet. And as far as I can see, the only asset and the obvious asset which could be monetized is the gold. So the only questions I've got are when and at what price. I think $15,000 makes sense, but maybe he'll pick another one. We'll see. If we have such a revaluation, it will send shock waves through the global economy. It could trigger a massive surge in the prices of other assets like stocks or Bitcoin as trillions of dollars of that new wealth in gold looks for a home.

[F5 Dave]

Let me guess.

Oh but wot about the dems.

Oh and the left wing media.

They just don't. Um something. Um. . Do I live in America?. .I forget as I read thier social media/drivel.

Did I get it right?

[husaberg]

Let me guess.

Oh but wot about the dems.

Oh and the left wing media.

They just don't. Um something. Um. . Do I live in America?. .I forget as I read thier social media/drivel.

Did I get it right?



He ripped off this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUDJn1NQU9k

[pritch]

By now y'all will be aware of the brouhaha surrounding Trump's lbirthday letter to Epstein containing a sketch. Trump has said he doesn't draw or "write" pictures.
Of course there are a number of Trump sketches appear as if by magic. While not great art they do have a certain charm.

The letter also contained the word 'enigma'. Trump and his zombie army say that's not a word he would use. As always, there are tapes.

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1128845295738791

[pete376403]

Not quite the same wall of text as R666 but I'm getting there.

“I watched in disbelief as businessmen voted for a repeat bankrupt, laborers for a boss infamous for stiffing his workers, evangelicals for a serial adulterer, women for an admitted sexual assaulter, patriots for a draft dodger who would sell his country’s secrets for trivial gain, educated men for an ignoramus. But they did so with fierce gladness in their hearts. Because what their chosen one had done was open Pandora’s box—yes, the old one, filled with the ancient calamities of race hatred and rage and cruelty and bloodlust and infinite greed—and tell them that these things were the remedy for all their grievances, that all their anger was justified, and most important: None of what ailed them was their own fault—or ever had been.”
― Greg Iles, Southern Man

and another , although his prediction was out - just hope it doesn't go all the way

“My vision. In 2027, Israel’s leader will become convinced that Iran is fielding its nuclear arsenal. Israel will ask us to destroy that arsenal for them, using our submarines and ASW aircraft. If we refuse, Israel will attempt to do it alone. There our scenario becomes a true three-body problem. China—wishing to be seen as taking the moral high ground—announces that if we attack Iran, it will seize and hold Taiwan, arguing that Iran has just as much right to self-defense as the Israelis. At that point, the best predictions of our experts are that, if we fulfill the Israelis’ wish, we will set ourselves on the road to global nuclear war. At the very least, the U.S. president will have to disappoint our closest ally and religious cousin in the Middle East—Israel—while at worst, we might actually have to attack Israel to prevent them initiating Armageddon out of paranoia.”
― Greg Iles, Southern Man

[pritch]

Was listening to a US media commentator. He was discussing the ending of Colbert's contract. He didn't think it was entirely motivated by Trump's desire for vengeance. Although he did think that might well be a factor. The various US late shows are competing for the under 40s market but the viewer numbers are way down. The under 40s don't watch as much TV these days. That Colbert is payed some US$15 million pa to perform for a diminishing audience is likely also a factor.

Next year when Colbert finishes, the other shows may get a temporary boost from a share of his audience numbers but long term the situation is likely to deteriorate.

[pritch]

Evidence suggests the best lawyers are not queueing to represent Trump in court. His $10 billion case against the Wall Street Journal has been filed in Miami Florida. Judge Gayles is an Obama appointee who has presided over one of Trump's defamation cases previously. Until when Trump would have had to appear in court in person at which point he folded. Taco.

Trump's official residence is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC. The WSJ address is presumably in New York. All of which would suggest the case be heard in DC or NY. There are rules governing a change of venue and apparently these were not followed so proceedings are already off to a shaky start. All things considered there is potential for entertainment for us and serious damage to Trump should he piss off the Murdochs.

[pritch]

You may remember Alina Habba. She brought the full weight of her experience working for her husband's parking building company to Trump's service in multiple court cases. All of which she promptly lost. Trump subsequently appointed her interim Attorney General of New Jersey. As the temporary period was expiring she needed Senate confirmation. The Democrats stalled that. In such circumstances the New Jersey judges get to vote should she stay or should she go. They voted no thanks.

No doubt Trump will find her a new position. Meanwhile she is not a drain on the long suffering tax payer.

[sugilite]

The trump legal arm, opps I mean the department of justice has already sacked the replacement the judges put in.
And Mike "protect the pedos" Johnson has just put the house in recess until September to avoid a epstein vote. Nothing suspicions there huh. :rolleyes:

[Hairymcsweary]

Apparently JD Vance met with Murdoch prior to the WSJ birthday card story release. Today WSJ have shared a new story about the DOJ telling Trump he was mentioned in the Epstein files back in May.
I reckon they are going to let Trump destroy himself over Epstein, JD will slide into the main seat as planned and Project 2025 will continue because they just needed Trump for his supporters votes.

[sugilite]

Apparently JD Vance met with Murdoch prior to the WSJ birthday card story release. Today WSJ have shared a new story about the DOJ telling Trump he was mentioned in the Epstein files back in May.
I reckon they are going to let Trump destroy himself over Epstein, JD will slide into the main seat as planned and Project 2025 will continue because they just needed Trump for his supporters votes.

Great post, and more than likely spot on.

[pritch]

I reckon they are going to let Trump destroy himself over Epstein, JD will slide into the main seat as planned and Project 2025 will continue because they just needed Trump for his supporters votes.

The author of project 2025 has recently shuffled off this mortal coil - probably to somewhere much warmer. Unfortunately the project will not have died with him.

[neels]

Meanwhile it's come to light that the FBI put significant resources into reviewing the Epstein documents, and 'flag' anything where Trump is mentioned. Is it then possible that any such documents might subsequently 'kill themselves'?

The anger from Trump at comedians taking the piss is somewhat ironic, given that he himself is the reason they have material to work with. If he could just resist his attention whore urges and not do something illegal, immoral or just downright stupid on a daily basis, there'd be nothing for them to work with.

The latest nonsense is dragging up supposed election interference by Obama, it probably still irks the Don that he lost the popular vote in 2016, and that polls at the time clearly indicated if Obama had been able to stand he would have won.

[R650R]

The author of project 2025 has recently shuffled off this mortal coil - probably to somewhere much warmer. Unfortunately the project will not have died with him.

Do remind us again what was supposed to happen in 2025 project cause it’s not long til 2026 now?

[sugilite]

Do remind us again what was supposed to happen in 2025 project cause it’s not long til 2026 now?

You may of wanted to do a quick search first eh ;)
Because......They are already 46% through their agenda, so if they keep tracking the way they are - they will be at near 100% by 20th February next year. They are not wasting any time and have dispensed with the lube while joyfully fucking the middle class in the arse.

https://www.project2025.observer/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-project-2025-first-100-days/

[pete376403]

On trumps immigration stance...

[sugilite]

I do not expect people to watch all these videos, it is more a snapshot of just how bad things get when a people are conned into electing a straight out criminal as president. It is going to take the USA many years to recover from this nightmare - if at all.

Well, if course trump is in the epstein files. No surprise there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDaXahV0zwY

This has just been found too, and is really, really bad for trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbzn5vPFpx8

Also no surprise, traiter gabbard is running cover for trump by bringing back the 9 year old russia, russia, russia obama nonsense with no "new" evidense :oi-grr:
Clearly she was in such a rush to get to the whitehouse presser she did not have time to wash trumps jizz out her hair after servicing her orange crime boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eNiJNx1NmA

fox lawyer letting everyone know how absurd gabbard is being.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdXBJj-f-jU&t=456s

[sugilite]

It is widely believed trumps extortion plan to approve a merger for paramount involved canceling the colbert show. The comedians are fighting back. Payback is a bitch huh trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ZR4hkktk8


Hot off the press, trumps latest lies for this hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkLH8Dq4brs

Kegs breath implicates trump and shows he committed perjury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfDmAuajxBM&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1VU9IHCQnHCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

Final one - Mr Art of the deal" gets played and the Japan deal is exposed as being a stinker for the American people - because if course it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL03MiTHhfQ

[pete376403]

More in the way of humorous trump pics...

[pritch]

Trump tries to shame Powell - and fails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkLH8Dq4brs

[Laava]

Trump tries to shame Powell - and fails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkLH8Dq4brs
What a fucking desperate cunt.

[pritch]

You may have read that the deputy Attorney General of the US, Todd Blanche, has been meeting with Ms Maxwell. Apparently this constitutes a major breach of legal ethics.

Blanche was Trump's defence lawyer in the New York fraud trial which resulted in 34 fraud convictions for Trump. As such lawyer/client privilege existed between Trump and Blanche - and still does. It's permanent. Blanche who has that legal relationship with Trump should not be speaking with Maxwell about the Epstein case under any circumstances. That comprises a major conflict of interest since she could say something that implicates trump.

Trump has never been one to worry about ethics. It seems that Blanche isn't much bothered either.

[husaberg]

You may have read that the deputy Attorney General of the US, Todd Blanche, has been meeting with Ms Maxwell. Apparently this constitutes a major breach of legal ethics.

Blanche was Trump's defence lawyer in the New York fraud trial which resulted in 34 fraud convictions for Trump. As such lawyer/client privilege existed between Trump and Blanche - and still does. It's permanent. Blanche who has that legal relationship with Trump should not be speaking with Maxwell about the Epstein case under any circumstances. That comprises a major conflict of interest since she could say something that implicates trump.

Trump has never been one to worry about ethics. It seems that Blanche isn't much bothered either.

.

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Guess who was Epstines lawyer and also part of the trump defence team on impeachment someone who also had allegations made that as Epstein's friend teens were also trafficked to him
Alan Dershowitz.

Multimillionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein will receive a bail decision on Thursday over allegations that he sexually exploited and abused dozens of minor girls. Over a decade ago, Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz represented Epstein when he was fighting similar charges in Palm Beach County, Fla.

Dershowitz helped negotiate the sweetheart plea deal that allowed him a work release provision throughout his 13 months in Palm Beach County Jail.

Epstein accusers Sarah Ransome, Maria Farmer and Virginia Giuffre have also leveled allegations against Dershowitz in court filings and defamation lawsuits. Dershowitz denies the accusations.


January 2020, Dershowitz joined President Donald Trump's legal team as Trump was being tried on impeachment charges in the Senate.[44] Dershowitz's addition to the team was notable

He was also harvey weinsteines laywer

[pritch]

It really is difficult to understand. Yesterday though I was listening to a MAGA woman talking to a political podcaster. She was claiming that there were 200 million illegal immigrants in the US. That's a big number. The population is only about 330 million. The host asked her what she thought the population was. She replied, "Billions."

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1088685439378171

[F5 Dave]

Emulating her leaders nonsense numbers. Be very specific and confident when you don't know/too stupid.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360772062/trumps-imaginary-numbers-199-gas-1500-price-cuts

[sugilite]

The guy cannot even play a round of golf without cheating like fuck :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

<iframe width="525" height="933" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/flihVJu9850" title="Trump caught CHEATING at golf in Scotland" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[neels]

It has been widely reported that he cheats at golf, mysteriously winning tournaments at his golf resorts, sometimes without even playing.

Guess cheating at golf goes well with cheating on taxes, cheating on his wife, commander in cheat is quite the apt nickname.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/2023/02/03/trump-and-golf-fancy-resorts-a-list-partners-cheating-at-highest-level/69857594007/

[sugilite]

trump should change his surname to Sewer, as every time he opens his mouth - a turd pops out. The London mayor seems to have upset trump - most likely by being brown.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360773425/watch-trump-says-london-mayor-nasty-person-front-british-pm-who-counters-hes-friend-mine

[Laava]

This is quite apt…

[sugilite]

trumps list of epstein distractions this week have a common theme - see if you can spot it. He wants Obama done for treason (ridiculous), he wants Kamala, Beyonce and Opara done for election fraud and he wants tv pundit Al Shipton done as well. I'm sure the fact that they are all black is purely a coincidence as our resident trump apologist swears trump is not racist :laugh:

It is a similar theme with the list of countries whose citizens are barred entry to the WSA, opps I mean USA. Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad, Congo-Brazzaville, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, Burundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, Togo, Turkmenistan and Venezuela and that hot bed of crime - Tonga :rolleyes:
Once again, the fact that none these countries are full of white people is just another coincidence from the orange cockwomble.

The orange vomit bag has admitted that epstein stole his staff consisting of underage girls from trumps maralargo "spa" .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR0mE3mAV_w&t

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360774444/trump-knew-epstein-stole-young-women-including-virginia-giuffre-mar-lago

And he would have us believe he never had the "privilege" of visiting epsteins island :laugh:

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[pritch]

Project 2029. https://www.facebook.com/reel/3894113737400833

[Laava]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360777748/virginia-giuffres-family-expresses-shock-over-trump-saying-epstein-stole-her
So does this infer that Trump thought he owned her? I mean, I am not surprised by that but really?

[pritch]

Trump is planning to build a $200 million ball room at the White House. Another monument to tastelessness. During his first sojourn in the White House Melania (remember her?) had tennis courts and a pavillion constructed. Melania also had Jackie Kennedy's rose garden removed and replaced it with something more appropriate to a funeral home. Last photo I saw made it look as if the site of the former rose garden was disappearing under cement. Maybe that's where the ball room is to be built?

[Pursang]

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Associates of trump and their sex crimes

•Tevfik Arif - Sex trafficking of minors - Trump Business Partner

•John Casablancas - sex with minors - owner of Elite Modeling Agency and Trumps friend - faced repeated accusations of sexual relationships with 14- and 15-year-old models, and a 2002 civil suit alleging he impregnated a 15-year-old

•Ralph Shortey - Child Sex Trafficking - Trumps Oklahoma campaign chairman

•Roy Cohn - Child Sex trafficker and blackmailer - Trumps Mentor

•George Nader - Sexual molestation of minors and possession of child porn and bringing a child into the US for sex- Trump advisor arrested with child porn on his way to Mara Lago

•Jeffrey Epstein - Child sex trafficking and molestation. Trump Friend

•Leon Black - Long-time donor - U.S. Virgin Islands revealed that Black bankrolled Epstein. Black paid the territory $62.5 million to end any claims from its three-year sex-trafficking investigation. A July 2023 lawsuit contends Black raped a 16-year-old girl with Down Syndrome in Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse.

•Justin David Eichorn - Minnesota state senator who tried to make TDS a mental illness and crime - charged via federal criminal complaint with attempted coercion and enticement of a minor

•Ghislaine Maxwell - Child Sex Trafficking and molestation. Trump friend

•Roy Moore - Pedophile backed by trump.

•Rudy Giuliani - Attempted sex with a 15 year old.

•Matt Gaetz - Child sex trafficking.

•Ruben Verastegui - former ads designer for Donald Trump also GOP and senate staffer - child pornography

• Scott Soucek - Wisconsin trump delegate - child pornography

•Anton Lazzaro - Child Sex Trafficking

•Tim Nolan - former chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Campbell County, Kentucky - 19 counts of child sex trafficking and human trafficking

•Robert Morris - Texas megachurch pastor, former trump adviser - Indicted for child sex crimes - accused of sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl

•Ted Nugent - trump endorser, musician - Courtney Love claimed, on The Howard Stern Show in 2013, that she performed oral sex on Nugent when she was 14, and that there was a line of young girls waiting to engage in sexual acts.

•P. Diddy, Combs - friends - guilty on two counts of “transportation to engage in prostitution”

•Vince McMahon - donor, friend - lawsuit filed by ex-employee alleges sexual harassment and trafficking. Says McMahon dangled her job in exchange for sex, greeting her in his underwear, groping her...

•Linda McMahon - Multiple WWE staffers sexually assaulted underage boys in the 1980s and 1990s. The lawsuit claims that the McMahons created a work culture that allowed such sexual misconduct. These claims — referred to as the “ring boys scandal”

•Lawrence Taylor - Former NFL star, Registered sex offender Trump invited to Whitehouse - Sexual misconduct Trafficking 16 year old girl

•Pete Hegseth - A staff member of the California Federation of Republican Women accused Hegseth of sexually assaulting her in 2017 after he spoke at a conference "may have been drugged and raped". Hegseth paid an undisclosed amount to the woman as part of a nondisclosure agreement

RFK Jr. - Eliza Cooney, a woman Kennedy hired decades ago to babysit his children, accused Kennedy of sexually assaulting her in the late 1990s

•Elon musk - Exposed himself to flight attendant paid off $250k, 8 employees accusing him of sexual harassment

[pritch]

Economists and others have been questioning the statistics provided by the US government. The data does not seem to match what is happening in reality and the presumption is that the figures are being 'massaged'.

In case anyone doubts that could happen, the latest job numbers are disappointing and in response Trump has just fired the person in charge of labour statistics. I guess the numbers will be more cheerful in future.

Oh, and it's reported that Ghislaine Maxwell is not currently in prison. She would be well advised to avoid stairs.

Update: Maxwell is still in prison, a different prison. A "Club Fed" prison with tennis courts and a putting green? Whatever, it's the cozyest prison possible for a woman in the US.
There may be people who think this is all entirely coincidental and that a deal hasn't been done. Those people are worthy of your sympathy.

[Laava]

So does that mean Trump is no longer on the Epstein list? Whew!

[pritch]

As our Trade Minister packs his bags to head to the US to talk a trade deal I hope he realises that these deals are not "deals" in the usual sense of the word. They are subject to change on a Trump whim. Brazil are prosecuting a former leader for fomenting an insurrection. Trump is uncomfortable with former leaders being prosecuted for fomenting insurrection so he increased tariffs on goods originating in Brazil to 50%.

The US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick (Nutlick?) says that the US will not now be able to have a trade deal with Canada because the Canadian Government has recognised Palestine. It'll be interesting to see whether this US stance alters NZs position on Palestine. We currently support recognition.

Trump is using tariffs to achieve political ends. Of course if we give Trump a gift of say half a billion US dollars, which seems to be the going rate, the path to lower tariffs may be smoothed.

The current US tariff system is legally doubtful, the power to set tariffs resides with Congress not the president. Currently the challenges are working their way up through the courts, with this Supreme Court though anything is possible.

[pritch]

In instances such as this schadenfreude is absolutely permitted. This guy, the Superintendent of Schools in Oklahoma, wants a bible in every classroom. Specifically a Trump bible no less. A real Christian apparently. Then during a meeting it's alleged that nudes appeared on a screen from his computer. Porn on a work computer? Obviously he's a genius as well as a Christian.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/oklahoma-porn-investigation-school-bibles-b2796857.html

[pritch]

Sorry but they just keep coming.

Trump wants to reinstate the Presidential Fitness Programme for youth. He has selected a team of sports representatives to guide the young people of the nation as to health and fitness. The team includes this guy. You'd think somebody would've told him.

[pete376403]

Trump describing Karoline Leavitt just fucking creepy - "those liiips..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrDAO96Pkj4

[Pursang]

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[Pursang]

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[pritch]

Trump has announced that he's causing US drug prices to drop 1400 or 1500 %. There are rather remarkably still some people who think he's got all his marbles.
If he is playing 4D chess the D stands for dementia.

[husaberg]

Trump has announced that he's causing US drug prices to drop 1400 or 1500 %. There are rather remarkably still some people who think he's got all his marbles.
If he is playing 4D chess the D stands for dementia.

Cambodia has done what he always wished and longed for, they have and nominated him for Noble peace prize....
Well compared, to Pol pot, he would be a benevolent dictator.

Experts only attribute 180000 deaths in a year directly to trumps mishandling of Covid.
Pol pots regime killed 7 times that many over many more years
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy

He himself, called that an A plus performance.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/21/trump-says-he-deserves-an-a-for-his-handling-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

[pritch]

Cambodia has done what he always wished and longed for, they have and nominated him for Noble peace prize....
Well compared, to Pol pot, he would be a benevolent dictator.


He also claimed that he invented a new word "equalise'. Trump may spell it with a z but either way he invented nothing.

If the fat fuckwit wins the noble prize I'll be so pissed off I'll have to drown my sorrows.

Oh, and I see today that he has been caught on video cheating at golf - again.

[pritch]

Trump's Media and Technology Group has released their figures for the second quarter. A twenty million dollar operating loss and revenue of $883,000.
Obviously a business genius at work.

[Laava]

Or is that a deliberate loss in the name of claiming tax relief, rebates, benefits, money for Trump.

[pritch]

This lady in India has definite views on current affairs. Here she rates Trump's case for a 'Noble Peace Prize'. Hot Lips Leavitt stated the arguments for the award.

This is hours long but Ms Sharma makes a compelling case against the award in the first twenty minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJEymfeqxIk

[husaberg]

Trump's Media and Technology Group has released their figures for the second quarter. A twenty million dollar operating loss and revenue of $883,000.
Obviously a business genius at work.

Well he seems so legit... but but hunter biden...

On May 27, 2025, TMTG announced it would create a "bitcoin Treasury" by selling company stock and convertible bonds and buying $2.5 billion of bitcoin. If TMTG's purchase were to go through, TMTG would become the third-largest corporate holder of bitcoin. Two months earlier, Trump had signed an executive order for the United States to create a strategic bitcoin reserve.

The Guardian reported in March 2023 that in 2022 the SDNY expanded its criminal investigation to include whether TMTG engaged in money laundering. Beginning in December 2021, when the company was in danger of collapsing because its merger with DWAC had been delayed, it received a loan in two payments totaling $8 million. This included $2 million from Paxum Bank, which is part-owned by Anton Postolnikov, a relation of Aleksandr Smirnov, a former Russian government official who now runs the Russian maritime company Rosmorport.


In February 2024, United Atlantic Ventures (UAV), the partnership of TMTG co-founders Andy Litinsky and Wes Moss, sued TMTG for attempting to dilute their ownership stake by increasing the authorized stock from 120 million to 1 billion shares, thus lowering the value of UAV's shares from 8.6 percent to less than 1 percent. The lawsuit mentions that Trump attempted to pressure Litinsky into giving his shares to Melania Trump and then, when he refused, tried to oust Litinsky. The next day, Arc Capital sued the DWAC for trying to strip them of their shares. The judge granted summary judgment to Atlantic Ventures LLC

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[pritch]

Devin Nunes, CEO of Trump Media, had undertaken a defamation action against MSNBC host Rachel Maddow and her employers. The judge just threw it out. Devin Nunes has initiated a number of legal actions, including one against a non-existent cow, the others were about as successful as this.

A few years back there was a storm in a tea cup when it was discovered that then Congressman Nunes had listed his occupation as farmer. He had no farm. One dude on Twitter started an account "Devin Nunes' Cow." Nunes wanted to sue him sooo bad. He tried defamation actions against Twitter and the "cow." He lost both.

He also tried to sue the account known as "Devin Nunes Mum." She had said the Devin would have liked to join the Proud Boys but he didn't like their no masturbation rule. He lost that one too.

[sugilite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esh-Kpj1oEk

[Pursang]

*****
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[pritch]

A judge only trial has commenced in the US. California is charging the federal government with breaching the law relating to deploying troops on US soil. This is timely as Trump has just done it again in DC on equally bogus grounds.

[Laava]

A judge only trial has commenced in the US. California is charging the federal government with breaching the law relating to deploying troops on US soil. This is timely as Trump has just done it again in DC on equally bogus grounds.
Yeah, but nothing will happen except wasting a bunch of tax/rate payers money. And then Trump will spend a shitload more to retaliate in retribution. Cos he is a fucktard manchild. In nappies.

[F5 Dave]

Sadly I feel you are right. No justice will likely occur. A bully in power usual behaviour.

[pritch]

In a recent press conference Trump's deteriorating mental condition was on display. He called his "nurse" on to the stage to tell the world, and himself, which executive orders he had just signed to put troops on the streets of DC. At least twice he referred to his upcoming meeting with Putin - in Russia. The meeting is in Alaska although it could now be moved to Russia in an effort to make it appear he isn't suffering from demetia.

[caseye]

Fuck Trump he's a C U N Tuesday, anybody here seen this?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-woman-sarah-shaw-and-six-year-old-son-detained-by-us-immigration/JWE6CAZ2KFG5FPISN57XGSVAX4/
I've seen this story in several pod casts and web sites outside of NZ.
It has happened a Kiwi woman and her son are in detention in the US, whats the NZ Govt done about it?
Well, they've been in detention for at least 4-6 weeks with no contact from our shithouse govt, this sucks, Luxon, tell your mate trump to give her back and make the US a No Go for NZ'ers.
Barstard's!
:ar15: This time don't miss!

[pritch]

Fuck Trump he's a C U N Tuesday, anybody here seen this?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-woman-sarah-shaw-and-six-year-old-son-detained-by-us-immigration/JWE6CAZ2KFG5FPISN57XGSVAX4/
I've seen this story in several pod casts and web sites outside of NZ.
It has happened a Kiwi woman and her son are in detention in the US, whats the NZ Govt done about it?
Well, they've been in detention for at least 4-6 weeks with no contact from our shithouse govt, this sucks, Luxon, tell your mate trump to give her back and make the US a No Go for NZ'ers.
Barstard's!
:ar15: This time don't miss!

Yeah. The fuckwits Trump appoints guarantee unprecedented levels of incompetence. British and German visitors to the US have been deported for dumb reasons. An Australian woman married to a serving US Army officer was stopped at the airport and deported, she is banned from returning to the US.

[pritch]

Trump has mentioned that he would like to visit Moscow again. He has fond memories of previous visits? Putin may yet regret visiting trump in Alaska as there is the risk that when he returns to Moscow there may be a new leader. Historically Russia is not kind to former leaders.

Anyhoo I think it likely that Putin will be confused. https://www.facebook.com/reel/700077649679966.

[pritch]

Trump's new MAGA appointment to the Bureau of Labour Statistics has announced that monthly reports will be suspended. Surprise!

In case you were wondering why Trump invariably appoints incompetents here is the explanation.

[R650R]

Trump has mentioned that he would like to visit Moscow again. He has fond memories of previous visits? Putin may yet regret visiting trump in Alaska as there is the risk that when he returns to Moscow there may be a new leader. Historically Russia is not kind to former leaders.

Anyhoo I think it likely that Putin will be confused. https://www.facebook.com/reel/700077649679966.

I’ll have to try find the link but watched a vid awhile ago about why ruthless strong leaders like Putin survive in Russia. Short story is every time in history they they had a nice or weak leader it ended in revolution or being over run by another nation.
Unlike the west they have a respect for lessons of history even if they are hundreds of years old.Where as in west we base our judgements on last couple of three year election cycles.

[husaberg]

I’ll have to try find the link but watched a vid awhile ago about why ruthless strong leaders like Putin survive in Russia. Short story is every time in history they they had a nice or weak leader it ended in revolution or being over run by another nation.
Unlike the west they have a respect for lessons of history even if they are hundreds of years old.Where as in west we base our judgements on last couple of three year election cycles.

Your'e so full of crap....

Well we all should have seen this coming...

While western media has championed international mercenaries going to fight for Ukraine it seems Russia is going to play that card too... we all know what they will be called...
Quite ironic that western security will be threatened by a mechanism they helped build....
The resulting lawless bloodbath will prob see Russia welcomed in as peacekeepers...
After all this blows over Eastern Europe will end up as a haven for unemployed terrorists like Afghanistan.... maybe Putin has done his homework after all...4Dchess????
The plot thickens....





Many people don't understand the Russian military doctrine. They are very smart and don't play the same gameplan as the west.

is all about defence, they have seen the economic and military disaster that the Americans have created for themselves, heaps of expensive overseas bases with resupply issues.

will never invade anyone, they will provide very rapid support for chosen allies in a massive no nonsense manner.
They have spent over 400 billion in last ten years modernising their armed forces. Stories of decay are same propaganda plants as the ones about usa F35 being a lemon etc.....
Watch ISIS turn and run, no CIA paycheck is big enough for them to face the Russian war machine, they will quickly fall apart with out American resupply. Guess they'll be a whole lot of Toyota hilux's going cheap soon....


Well we all should have seen this coming...

While western media has championed international mercenaries going to fight for Ukraine it seems Russia is going to play that card too... we all know what they will be called...

ironic that western security will be threatened by a mechanism they helped build....
The resulting lawless bloodbath will prob see Russia welcomed in as peacekeepers...
After all this blows over Eastern Europe will end up as a haven for unemployed terrorists like Afghanistan.... maybe Putin has done his homework after all...4Dchess????
The plot thickens....




Many people don't understand the Russian military doctrine. They are very smart and don't play the same gameplan as the west.
Russia is all about defence, they have seen the economic and military disaster that the Americans have created for themselves, heaps of expensive overseas bases with resupply issues.
will never invade anyone, they will provide very rapid support for chosen allies in a massive no nonsense manner.
They have spent over 400 billion in last ten years modernising their armed forces.
Stories of decay are same propaganda plants
no CIA paycheck is big enough for them to face the Russian war machine, they will quickly fall apart with out American resupply. ]

[pritch]

That was a fairly massive demolition job. I particularly like this,
"Many people don't understand the Russian military doctrine. They are very smart and don't play the same gameplan as the west."

Many people do understand Russian military doctrine and how mistaken it is. Ukraine understood and ditched the Russian system for the system used by the west. In Russia a general issues the orders and nobody can change that order. If the situation changes and the plan isn't working the general has to go right to where the action is to see for himself before he changes his plan. Right to where a sniper can see him. Which explains the high casualty rate among Russian generals in Ukraine in the early days of the war. In the west leaders at all levels are taught to adapt to changing circumstances.

Anyhoo we can all see how smart the Russians are with over a million casualties and counting. With that and an economy on the brink there are a lot of unhappy Russians who would be happy to see major change.

[sugilite]

Newsom is right - Wake up magas, you are ushering in authoritarianism.
Trump sent ICE to intimidate people attending Newsoms speech. just as he sent in federal forces to Washington DC to intimidate the bureaucrats despite crime dropping in DC. Big thug government in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ku08PQqrvs

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