Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[peewee]

So why did trump pardonithe one of the biggest then. did you support this?, you know given your previous stance on criminals?




its difficult to like everything any president does. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i like he sent national gaurd to to crime plagued cities. hopefully he does plenty of investigation (and deports after their prison sentence)) on the somalis that defrauded legal citizens of billions of dollars. i like hes blowing up drug boats. i think we should go kick russia and chinas ass but i dont see trump doing that. so do i like everything , no. but theres alot i do like

[F5 Dave]

Really? Using the army to suppress citizens of your own country? That should be ringing alarm bells of anyone with a casual interest in history.

The police should be responsible and properly resourced for actual criminal behavior.

[pritch]

America has form here of course. The so called Banana Republics were historically raided by America whenever the people tried to get a less corrupt government and get a fair price for thier Bananas. US didn't want to pay that, so they went in, shot the place up and reinstated a figurehead that would lower the prices again.

Nasty neighbour.

Reminds me of a cartoon from way back, it may have been by Gahon Wilson. The president off a South American republic is at his desk when armed CIA operatives burst into his office. He jumps up shouting "No no, I'm CIA too."

[pritch]

its difficult to like everything any president does. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i like he sent national gaurd to to crime plagued cities. hopefully he does plenty of investigation (and deports after their prison sentence)) on the somalis that defrauded legal citizens of billions of dollars. i like hes blowing up drug boats. i think we should go kick russia and chinas ass but i dont see trump doing that. so do i like everything , no. but theres alot i do like

You seem confused, You approve of murder and blatantly illegal acts and you disapprove of things that never actually happened?

The Republicans like to talk about crime plagued cities but the highest violent crime rates are in red states. The child care fraud which involved some Somalis was shut down and prosecuted under Biden. I know child care is expensive but Billions? Really?

[peewee]

when criminals try and bring their boat loads of illegal drugs to usa , they know the price to play the game and choose to take that chance anyways. sympathise with the criminal if you want. perhaps your country welcomes illegal drugs and criminal activity to its communities but the honest hard working folks where im at are tired of the criminal never facing a consequence . that is until now

[F5 Dave]

So shoot first and ask questions later?

[F5 Dave]

i. . . i think we should go kick russia and chinas ass . ,
Um, you are aware that both have nuclear weapons right? And if losing, have so little value of other people's lives that they are very unpredictable and dangerous.

But let's assume that they don't and unpack that idea.

Russia has shown just how unprepared they are for sustained conflict. You can knock them down but no one defeats them. Just too big and ruthless. In the long game they will get back up like a gnarled boxer with nothing to lose.

In WWII Germany and Japan thought they could win with Technical superior equipment better engineering- mixed with a decisive first punch.

Britain ramped up production of armaments with a 2 for 1 policy and the Battle of Britain failed. Japan bloodied the nose of the US navy, but totally misunderstood what would happen next.

US manufacturing won the war. They were the top manufacturers in the world and no one could hold a candle to them. They just made unbeatable volumes.

That one of the reasons Obama et all, kept trying to prop up a failing auto industry. Yes blue collar jobs, but easy retooling for weapons of war if required, well that's compelling advisor whispered incentive.

But the US is no longer the biggest manufacturers of the world. That's been outsourced more and more for decades.

India, Korea, and of course, and especially China.

Careful of who you want to pick a fight with.

[peewee]

we can put a missile through a small window from 50,000' but cant determine which boats are loaded with drugs ? for decades we tried arresting these people with most of them probly just getting a slap on the hand and sent back to the front lines to pick up where they left off. at some point , enough is enough. maybe they should consider a life change. get a normal job like the rest of us. be a proctive member of society and do something to make the world better

[husaberg]

its difficult to like everything any president does. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i like he sent national gaurd to to crime plagued cities. hopefully he does plenty of investigation (and deports after their prison sentence)) on the somalis that defrauded legal citizens of billions of dollars. i like hes blowing up drug boats. i think we should go kick russia and chinas ass but i dont see trump doing that. so do i like everything , no. but theres alot i do like
Sorry if i was somehow unclear i am asking very specifically about how trump on his second day in office the pardoned of a very well known very rich criminal involved in large scale drug dealing and human trafficking . That was serving a 40 year sentence.


On February 4, 2014, Ulbricht was charged with engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, narcotics conspiracy, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and conspiracy to commit computer hacking.On August 21, 2014, a superseding indictment added three additional charges. The trial began on January 13, 2015.
prosecutors did present evidence during his sentencing that he had allegedly paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bitcoin to have several people he considered threats to his Silk Road operation killed

we can put a missile through a small window from 50,000' but cant determine which boats are loaded with drugs ? f
Yet what you are saying is not at all backed by the actually fact that 25% of the boats using the US is own figures that there were stopping contained no drugs at all so if they know they have drugs with such excellent intell to know they had drugs or not why were they stopping 25% of boats with no drugs at all.



According to a 2024 U.S. Coast Guard report, the agency found drugs on approximately 73% of the boats they intercepted and boarded in South American waters (meaning about 27% they found no drugs at all)

Also why arent they doing it in international waters or better still their own water?

[peewee]

ive no idea why trump let that guy out of jail. his explanation was the guy was treated unfairly but if hes a criminal he shouldnt be let out.

[husaberg]

ive no idea why trump let that guy out of jail. his explanation was the guy was treated unfairly but if hes a criminal he shouldnt be let out.
If he was a criminal?
He was a convicted criminal until trump pardoned him there is no evidence that he was unjustly convicted trump offered no such evidence either
but its like you are attempting to make excuses by suggesting ....there is any doubt by saying if he was a criminal.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/newyork/news/press-releases/ross-ulbricht-the-creator-and-owner-of-the-silk-road-website-found-guilty-in-manhattan-federal-court-on-all-counts


ROSS WILLIAM ULBRICHT, a/k/a “Dread Pirate Roberts,” a/k/a “DPR,” a/k/a “Silk Road,” was found guilty yesterday on all seven counts in connection with his operation and ownership of Silk Road, a hidden website designed to enable its users to buy and sell illegal drugs and other unlawful goods and services anonymously and beyond the reach of law enforcement, following a four-week trial before U.S. District Judge Katherine B. Forrest.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said: “As a unanimous jury has found, Ross William Ulbricht operated Silk Road—a clandestine global marketplace that offered buyers and sellers of illegal goods and services a promise of anonymity. Ulbricht built this black market bazaar to exploit the dark web and the digital currency Bitcoin to allow users to conduct illegal business beyond the reach of law enforcement. Ulbricht’s arrest and conviction—and our seizure of millions of dollars of Silk Road Bitcoins—should send a clear message to anyone else attempting to operate an online criminal enterprise. The supposed anonymity of the dark web is not a protective shield from arrest and prosecution.”


According to the Complaint, the Superseding Indictment, and the evidence presented at trial:


ULBRICHT created Silk Road in approximately January 2011, and owned and operated the underground website until it was shut down by law enforcement authorities in October 2013. Silk Road emerged as the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the Internet, serving as a sprawling black-market bazaar where unlawful goods and services, including illegal drugs of virtually all varieties, were bought and sold regularly by the site’s users. While in operation, Silk Road was used by thousands of drug dealers and other unlawful vendors to distribute hundreds of kilograms of illegal drugs and other unlawful goods and services to well over a hundred thousand buyers, and to launder hundreds of millions of dollars deriving from these unlawful transactions.


ULBRICHT deliberately operated Silk Road as an online criminal marketplace intended to enable its users to buy and sell drugs and other illegal goods and services anonymously and outside the reach of law enforcement. ULBRICHT sought to anonymize transactions on Silk Road in two principal ways. First, ULBRICHT operated Silk Road on what is known as “The Onion Router,” or “Tor” network, a special network of computers on the Internet, distributed around the world, designed to conceal the true IP addresses of the computers on the network and thereby the identities of the networks’ users. Second, ULBRICHT designed Silk Road to include a Bitcoin-based payment system that served to facilitate the illegal commerce conducted on the site, including by concealing the identities and locations of the users transmitting and receiving funds through the site.


The vast majority of items for sale on Silk Road were illegal drugs, which were openly advertised as such on the site. As of September 23, 2013, Silk Road had nearly 13,000 listings for controlled substances, listed under such categories as “Cannabis,” “Dissociatives,” “Ecstasy,” “Intoxicants,” “Opioids,” “Precursors,” “Prescription,” “Psychedelics,” and “Stimulants.” From November 2011 to September 2013, law enforcement agents made more than 60 individual undercover purchases of controlled substances from Silk Road vendors. These purchases included heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, and LSD, among other illegal drugs, and were filled by vendors believed to be located in more than ten different countries, including the United States, Germany, the Netherlands, Canada, the United Kingdom, Spain, Ireland, Italy, Austria and France.


In addition to illegal narcotics, other illicit goods and services were openly bought and sold on Silk Road as well. For example, as of September 23, 2013, there were: 159 listings under the category “Services,” most of which offered computer hacking services, such as a listing by a vendor offering to hack into social networking accounts of the customer’s choosing; 801 listings under the category “Digital goods,” including malicious software, hacked accounts at various online services, and pirated media content; and 169 listings under the category “Forgeries,” including offers to produce fake driver’s licenses, passports, Social Security cards, utility bills, credit card statements, car insurance records, and other forms of false identification documents.


Using the online moniker “Dread Pirate Roberts,” or “DPR,” ULBRICHT controlled and oversaw every aspect of Silk Road, and managed a staff of paid, online administrators and computer programmers who assisted with the day-to-day operation of the site. Through his ownership and operation of Silk Road, ULBRICHT reaped commissions worth over $13 million generated from the illicit sales conducted through the site. ULBRICHT also demonstrated a willingness to use violence to protect his criminal enterprise and the anonymity of its users. ULBRICHT even solicited six murders-for-hire in connection with operating the site, although there is no evidence that these murders were actually carried out.


* * *


ULBRICHT, 30, of San Francisco, California, was found guilty of: one count of distributing narcotics, one count of distributing narcotics by means of the Internet, and one count of conspiring to distribute narcotics, each of which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison and a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years; one count of engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison and a mandatory minimum sentence of 20 years in prison; one of count of conspiring to commit computer hacking, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison; one count of conspiring to traffic in false identity documents, which carries a maximum sentence of 15 years; and one count of conspiring to commit money laundering, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. The maximum sentences are prescribed by Congress and are provided for informational purposes only, as the sentence will be determined by the judge. ULBRICHT is scheduled to be sentenced on May 15, 2015.


Mr. Bharara praised the outstanding investigative work of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and its New York Special Operations and Cyber Division, as well as the outstanding investigative work of the DEA’s New York Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Strike Force, which comprises agents and officers of the DEA, the IRS, the New York City Police Department, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (“ICE”) Homeland Security Investigations (“HSI”), the New York State Police, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the U.S. Secret Service, the U.S. Marshals Service, Office of Foreign Assets Control, and NY Department of Taxation. Mr. Bharara also thanked the ICE-HSI Chicago-O’Hare office for its assistance and support, as well as the Department of Justice’s Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section and Office of International Affairs. Additionally, Mr. Bharara praised the foreign law enforcement partners whose contributions to the success of the investigation and prosecution have been invaluable, namely, the Reykjavik Metropolitan Police of the Republic of Iceland, and the French Republic’s Central Office for the Fight Against Crime Linked to Information Technology and Communication.


Mr. Bharara also noted that the investigation remains ongoing.


The prosecution of this case is being handled by the Office’s Complex Frauds and Cybercrime Unit. Assistant United States Attorneys Serrin Turner and Timothy Howard are in charge of the prosecution, and Assistant United States Attorney Christine Magdo is in charge of the forfeiture aspects of the case.





let all the other criminals and thugs around the world take notice



many more need to be in prison . russia might even be a great place if putin werent there.
why is it you cant give a straight answer

So why did trump pardon the one of the biggest then. did you support this?, you know given your previous stance on criminals?
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[F5 Dave]

I have no problem with blowing pirates in inflatables trying to board commercial boats. They have shown clear intention of intention.

Accidentally killing even 1% of innocent people is just plain evil.

[Kickaha]

Also why arent they doing it in international waters or better still their own water?

They couldn't do it in their own waters as the boats aren't going there

[husaberg]

This one has lots of oil $$$$ right on their doorstep.
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[F5 Dave]

And hot from press of this honerable establishment .

[husaberg]

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[peewee]

If he was a criminal?
He was a convicted criminal until trump pardoned him there is no evidence that he was unjustly convicted trump offered no such evidence either
but its like you are attempting to make excises by suggesting ....there is any doubt by saying if he was a criminal.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/newyork/news/press-releases/ross-ulbricht-the-creator-and-owner-of-the-silk-road-website-found-guilty-in-manhattan-federal-court-on-all-counts








why is it you cant give a straight answer

have i not made it clear. criminals need to be in prison. end of story. trump made a statement why he let that guy out. his words , not mine. if im president , no criminals are getting let out.

while im thinking about it , mexico may want to get their cartels under control sooner rather than later. or their time may run out as well. we're sick and tired of them pushing gang violence and drugs on to us

[husaberg]

have i not made it clear. criminals need to be in prison. end of story. trump made a statement why he let that guy out. his words , not mine. if im president , no criminals are getting let out.

while im thinking about it , mexico may want to get their cartels under control sooner rather than later. or their time may run out as well. we're sick and tired of them pushing gang violence and drugs on to us
You continue refuse to give a straight answer im not asking trumps opinion i am asking you your opinion on trumps pardon of the drug dealer, yet you even refuse to admit now he was found guilty and also seem to want to keep minimising his crimes Funny you claim you and trumpboth are tough on drug dealers but it appears neither of you are.

[peewee]

the guy was found guilty. who could deny that. trump pardoned him but thats not what i would of done if it were me. . theres other things he does.i like however. everyone involved in politics are clowns. you pick the one you dont like the least

[Kickaha]

no criminals are getting let out. Quite a lot of criminals have been let out, you're wilfully ignorant if you think otherwise

[nerrrd]

OK so it seems the idea is for the US to threaten Venezuela from a distance and hope the government and military (gangs, drug dealers, etc) get in line. Then ramp up the oil industry (with the US getting their cut), ostensibly to replace the income the locals loose from no more cocaine. Broadly.

I think the US is bluffing. If the Venezuelans call them on their bluff, are ready this time for any US action and bloody President Trump's nose, that'll be it, I don't believe he's up for any seriously costly military action.

Or the Venezuelans could just tell him what he wants to hear, pay the tribute (oil) and carry on doing what they've been doing all along in the background (and frankly, so long as the first two happen, I don't think President Trump will care about anything else).

[peewee]

politics is a messy can of worms . nobody is ever happy all at the same time

[pritch]

Quite a lot of criminals have been let out, you're wilfully ignorant if you think otherwise

1500 in one hit. Trump openly has pardons for sale. He may have been too keen though. He pardoned some people to ensure their loyalty in upcoming court actions. When advised of the intention to prosecute, their lawyers said they would plead the Fifth and not testify. Problem. If a person has been pardoned they cannot be charged with that crime again. Consequently they do not have the right to plead the Fifth. While they can't be charged with the same crime, they can be charged with obstruction or perjury if they refuse to answer or they lie under oath.

[pete376403]

OK so it seems the idea is for the US to threaten Venezuela from a distance and hope the government and military (gangs, drug dealers, etc) get in line. Then ramp up the oil industry (with the US getting their cut), ostensibly to replace the income the locals loose from no more cocaine. Broadly.

I think the US is bluffing. If the Venezuelans call them on their bluff, are ready this time for any US action and bloody President Trump's nose, that'll be it, I don't believe he's up for any seriously costly military action.

Or the Venezuelans could just tell him what he wants to hear, pay the tribute (oil) and carry on doing what they've been doing all along in the background (and frankly, so long as the first two happen, I don't think President Trump will care about anything else).

What I have read is the Venezuelan oil industry is so run down that massive investment will be required and the big US oil cos are not so keen on that. China is not going to be pleased to lose one of their major suppliers

[Katman]

Quite a lot of criminals have been let out, you're wilfully ignorant if you think otherwise

Read his post again.

It clearly says "if I'm president, no criminals are getting let out".

[pete376403]

Big oil doesn't share trumps dream of making Venezuelan oil great again
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/583339/big-oil-doesn-t-share-trump-s-dream-of-making-venezuelan-oil-great-again?fbclid=IwY2xjawPKZYJleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETE 3MXY0RWZTM2ZJTlNtanRZc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4O DIwMDg5MgABHjieysLs-IIJ2Y6j7EK-awegxzZmz6INi5exIfIdvYHKM_kyOVnzeHKhJSYg_aem_H4d9X YoxuAuQFvnz6fhLTg

[peewee]

you guys are fine with maduro gone but not ok with the method used. is that the problem you have ?

[pete376403]

you guys are fine with maduro gone but not ok with the method used. is that the problem you have ?

Cant speak for others but I dont like at all the idea that the US can enforce Pax Americana at the whim of a lunatic. If the people of Venezuela don't like maduro it is up to them to change things, and trumps reasons for kidnapping him have nothing to do with the human rights in that country and everything to do with the potential oil wealth

[F5 Dave]

As I said, US has form here and greed has been the reasons they have invaded South America so many times before. You can Google that.

[peewee]

Cant speak for others but I dont like at all the idea that the US can enforce Pax Americana at the whim of a lunatic. If the people of Venezuela don't like maduro it is up to them to change things, and trumps reasons for kidnapping him have nothing to do with the human rights in that country and everything to do with the potential oil wealth


its been reported 8million venezuelas fled the country (not sure the span of years). that seems to be 1/4-1/3 the total population. i wonder how many more would of fled but didnt have the meens to do so. clearly it wasnt a very good place to be in these recent years. do you think the people still there had even the smallest of chance to upheave maduro on their own ? if not , who else would of gave any assistance ?

[husaberg]

the guy was found guilty. who could deny that. trump pardoned him but thats not what i would of done if it were me. . theres other things he does.i like however. everyone involved in politics are clowns. you pick the one you dont like the least
So again do you support trump releasing a drug dealer from prison,

Note you claim you are both tough on drug dealers. You previously claimed admiration for his tough stance on shooting suspected drug dealers in other countries.
what i find funny is trump supporter will never admit their great saviour trump has ever done something totally wrong, its almost as if they whole world will implode if they admit oh year he hes a lying sack of shit. They constantly misdirect and seek to minimise his shit.

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[peewee]

So again do you support trump releasing a drug dealer from prison,

Note you claim you are both tough on drug dealers. You previously claimed admiration for his tough stance on shooting suspected drug dealers in other countries.
what i find funny is trump supporter will never admit their great saviour trump has ever done something totally wrong, its almost as if they whole world will implode if they admit oh year he hes a lying sack of shit. They constantly misdirect and seek to minimise his shit.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaXnnOUCoIBBXe7bWzec-Olx1P1yj59QuJTQyh6BlsiB0JrIE6
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no i dont support him letting out a drug dealer. he also let out those clowns that stormed the capitoal which some have went on to more crimes. hes a idiot for that type of stuff. politicians are all crooked to some degree. you vote for the one you hate the least or just dont vote at all which ive done before

[husaberg]

no i dont support him letting out a drug dealer. he also let out those clowns that stormed the capitoal which some have went on to more crimes. hes a idiot for that type of stuff. politicians are all crooked to some degree. you vote for the one you hate the least or just dont vote at all which ive done before

You might want to read that meme and see how it reflects on what you wrote in your last 5 or so responses...
cliche.....

[Katman]

I suspect the CIA has funneled more drugs into America than Maduro ever has.

[nerrrd]

I guess the problem I have is they’ve spent a lot of money and killed quite a few people to remove a foreign head of state without (so far) addressing the undoubtedly corrupt government and military framework that supported him — until that changes, nothing is going to change for the average Venezuelan. Again, until they can show some evidence of that happening, I don’t see the point.

Also on the boats they keep blowing up, don’t forget there is no practical land route from South to North America (Darien gap), the only routes available are by air or by sea. This applies as much to all the Venezuelans trying to flee the country as it does to the drug trade.

[peewee]

You might want to read that meme and see how it reflects on what you wrote in your last 5 or so responses...
cliche.....

if you polled a million people , probly not a single one of them would say they agree with every action and idea of the person they voted for. i like some of what trump is doing but not all of it. i surely wasnt voting for his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in , soaking up free welfare money off the backs of honest tax payers and taking up jobs with stolen identities. not to mention chinese and russian spies slipping in ,along with radical terrorists eager to light off bombs every chance they get.

[husaberg]

if you polled a million people , probly not a single one of them would say they agree with every action and idea of the person they voted for. i like some of what trump is doing but not all of it. i surely wasnt voting for his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in , soaking up free welfare money off the backs of honest tax payers and taking up jobs with stolen identities. not to mention chinese and russian spies slipping in ,along with radical terrorists eager to light off bombs every chance they get.
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I am just asking simple questions and you keep ducking them and hiding throwing out stuff that is not part of the questions like a excuse wall . Logicaly the the reason you are trying to avoid them as it make you have to rationalise your support for trump...

Seeing as you are doubling down on the he didn't say that and if he did he didn't mean it and if he did you didn't understand it and if you did its not a big deal and if its is other others done worse....


. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i

his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in ,
As you have claimed now multiple times this figure about his rival letting another ten million illegals in as part of the..... well if he did others have done worse part how about you produce some backing for the claim of the ten million illegals biden/harris let in.....?
I will look forward to you sourcing that one with verifiable figures .......

[Stylo]

I have no doubt that the ICE Gladiator who shot the woman three times in the head in Minneapoliis while she was trying to get away from the dark force called ICE will get a full pardon from Trump.

Trump the warrior. The only living President who evaded the draft with a letter from his Doctor. Captain Bone spurs.

She had a bunch of soft toys in her glovebox. RIP





https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/583488/us-immigration-officer-fatally-shoots-woman-in-minneapolis

[BMWST?]

its been reported 8million venezuelas fled the country (not sure the span of years). that seems to be 1/4-1/3 the total population. i wonder how many more would of fled but didnt have the meens to do so. clearly it wasnt a very good place to be in these recent years. do you think the people still there had even the smallest of chance to upheave maduro on their own ? if not , who else would of gave any assistance ?
Are you aware that Maduro lost an election to a legitimate opposition?. That being said The US has absolutely no mandate to do what they have done here(and many times before). ILLEGAL .They have absolutely no right to try maduro in a US court . Its all about the OIL
They are destroying themselves now. The whole world is starting to see how the US operates,its just so much more blatant with this fellow. The russian oil tanker may be a step too far for Putin.

[husaberg]

I have no doubt that the ICE Gladiator who shot the woman three times in the head in Minneapoliis while she was trying to get away from the dark force called ICE will get a full pardon from Trump.

Trump the warrior. The only living President who evaded the draft with a letter from his Doctor. Captain Bone spurs.

She had a bunch of soft toys in her glovebox. RIP





https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/583488/us-immigration-officer-fatally-shoots-woman-in-minneapolis

Whilst a bit early to give an opinion as there is no doubt other video angles and body cams but its telling even fox is struggling to offer defence on this one. protesting is a first amendment right we hear all the time ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3RwpbrKGHQ

[husaberg]

I have no doubt that the ICE Gladiator who shot the woman three times in the head in Minneapoliis while she was trying to get away from the dark force called ICE will get a full pardon from Trump.

Trump the warrior. The only living President who evaded the draft with a letter from his Doctor. Captain Bone spurs.

She had a bunch of soft toys in her glovebox. RIP

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/583488/us-immigration-officer-fatally-shoots-woman-in-minneapolis

Whilst a bit early to give an informed opinion, as there is no doubt other video angles and body cams footage etc but its telling even fox is struggling to offer defence on this one. As protesting is a first amendment rights we hear all the time ......about 6th jan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3RwpbrKGHQ


“On this day in history in 2021, thousands of peaceful grandmothers and others gathered in Washington DC to take a self-guided, albeit unauthorized, tour of the US Capitol building,” Republican congressman Mike Collins wrote on X.

He went on to inaccurately claim that the president’s “supporters walked to the Capitol to exercise their First Amendment right about the irregularities of the 2020 election. During this time, some individuals entered the Capitol, took photos, and explored the building before leaving.”


Yet trump pay's out a family of a person rioting in the 6th insurrection and give them full military honours.....



Last year, the Trump administration agreed to a nearly $5m payout to her family, and to give Babbitt, an air force and air national guard vet, military honors. Ashli Babbitt, a rioter who was fatally shot by a Capitol police officer as she attempted to breach a barricaded door during the insurrection.


the white house is calling it ''domestic terrorism'' yet attacking congress was a peaceful protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXTG3N87jxM

[pritch]

It's not generally mentioned in our news but apparently the victim had "legal observer" status. Legal observers are not generally supposed to be shot.

[peewee]

its unfortunate that lady was killed. sounds like she may have been a professional agitator of ice. not sure yet if she was funded by any organization.
the job of ice is to enforce immigration law. apprehend and remove illegals. some of which are robbers ,thiefs, fraudsters , rapists , child moleters ,murderers. even with no previous crminal record , theyre here illegally which is a crime in itself.
why dont they go back home and return to usa legally the proper way ? well some of them likely will make the correct decision , leave and return the proper way.
many wont leave because they have zero chance of getting back in legally as theyre criminals from other countries or simply want to take advantage of our generosity and get a free ride in life.
saddest part , likely not a single legal american would object to them arriving in a legal proper way . but no, so many of them decided to sneak under the fence illegally and disrupt our communities

[F5 Dave]

Dude. You can label people anything to try justify something. If she stepped out waving an M16, then shoot her.


But that aside please don't try to justify murder by some political defamation.

[pritch]

sounds like she may have been a professional agitator of ice.

Not sure what you're listening to but your suggestion is the only one I've seen. Apart from which that would be unlikely if she was a legal observer as has been reported.




even with no previous crminal record , theyre here illegally which is a crime in itself.

That's is something the mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, MAGA like to spout - but it's wrong. Illegal entry to the US is a civil offence not a criminal offence.



likely not a single legal american would object to them arriving in a legal proper way .

Only if they changed their colour. The real problem is not that they are illegal, it's that they are brown.

[husaberg]

if you polled a million people , probly not a single one of them would say they agree with every action and idea of the person they voted for. i like some of what trump is doing but not all of it. i surely wasnt voting for his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in , soaking up free welfare money off the backs of honest tax payers and taking up jobs with stolen identities. not to mention chinese and russian spies slipping in ,along with radical terrorists eager to light off bombs every chance they get.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaXnnOUCoIBBXe7bWzec-Olx1P1yj59QuJTQyh6BlsiB0JrIE6
I am just asking simple questions and you keep ducking them and hiding throwing out stuff that is not part of the questions like a excuse wall . Logicaly the the reason you are trying to avoid them as it make you have to rationalise your support for trump...

Seeing as you are doubling down on the he didn't say that and if he did he didn't mean it and if he did you didn't understand it and if you did its not a big deal and if its is other others done worse....


. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i

his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in ,
As you have claimed now multiple times this figure about his rival letting another ten million illegals in as part of the.....

well if he did others have done worse part how about you produce some backing for the claim of the ten million illegals biden/harris let in.....?
I will look forward to you sourcing that one with verifiable figures .......

[jellywrestler]

Only if they changed their colour. The real problem is not that they are illegal, it's that they are brown.

Had to laugh at this Maduro and his wife thing, doesn't he not want immigrants to come in? And here he is importing foreigners......

[BMWST?]

Had to laugh at this Maduro and his wife thing, doesn't he not want immigrants to come in? And here he is importing foreigners......
forcibly even

[F5 Dave]

This came up on my feed. Worth looking at, it's a short.


https://youtube.com/shorts/KIL6PVgDRyE?si=7mE9eZSfkvy0GZBR

[peewee]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VP740juUURo?si=8kdM8MNZunWl441s

lets hear from the people of venezuela if maduro should be in prison. i think this lady sums it up

[husaberg]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VP740juUURo?si=8kdM8MNZunWl441s

lets hear from the people of venezuela if maduro should be in prison. i think this lady sums it up


how about the people of the US
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/trump-sentencing-prison-how-many-americans-think-survey
or

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3877 Majority Of Americans Say Trump Should Be Prosecuted On Federal Criminal Charges Linked To 2020 Election, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds say Donald Trump of attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, Americans 54 - 42 percent think Trump should be prosecuted on criminal charges
or

Forty-nine percent of respondents — including 25 percent of Republicans — said that they believe Trump is guilty in the pending federal prosecution, which alleges that he willfully retained sensitive government documents after leaving office and obstructed a subsequent federal investigation. A nearly identical 48 percent of respondents — including 24 percent of Republicans — believe that Trump is guilty in the Manhattan DA’s pending prosecution, which alleges that Trump falsified business records in connection with a payment to the porn star Stormy Daniels in the run-up to the 2016 election in order to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual relationship between the two.


but hey how are you getting on with the verifiable source for for your repeated 10 million claim?

if you polled a million people , probly not a single one of them would say they agree with every action and idea of the person they voted for. i like some of what trump is doing but not all of it. i surely wasnt voting for his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in , soaking up free welfare money off the backs of honest tax payers and taking up jobs with stolen identities. not to mention chinese and russian spies slipping in ,along with radical terrorists eager to light off bombs every chance they get.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaXnnOUCoIBBXe7bWzec-Olx1P1yj59QuJTQyh6BlsiB0JrIE6
I am just asking simple questions and you keep ducking them and hiding throwing out stuff that is not part of the questions like a excuse wall . Logicaly the the reason you are trying to avoid them as it make you have to rationalise your support for trump...

Seeing as you are doubling down on the he didn't say that and if he did he didn't mean it and if he did you didn't understand it and if you did its not a big deal and if its is other others done worse....


. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i

his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in ,
As you have claimed now multiple times this figure about his rival letting another ten million illegals in as part of the.....

well if he did others have done worse part how about you produce some backing for the claim of the ten million illegals biden/harris let in.....?
I will look forward to you sourcing that one with verifiable figures .......

[caseye]

Hey! pee wee, do not come onto forums in countries other than the USA and start spewing your I love Rump BS!.
That poor woman was Executed! There is no other word for it.
If you can't admit that what you and the rest of the world has seen was MURDER then you may as well, close your eyes, ears and mouth and quietly die in the corner,.
The way Rump and his whole BS pysho's will, soon!
If you continue to post in this vein I will make sure you can't do it here, ever again. Do You Understand?
Here in NZ and many other countries (excluding the US, NOW!) generations fought and died for the right of their fellow citizens to be able to live their lives unmolested by fools idiots and Criminals with power.
Yes you can say what you want here, but, I can do what I can to mitigate your bs, you have been warned!
There are consequences for everything we do , say or how we act, I am letting you know in advance, if it costs me my position here in KB, I will gladly make sure you and your Ilk never have a platform here. :angry:

[pritch]

i surely wasnt voting for his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in , soaking up free welfare money off the backs of honest tax payers and taking up jobs with stolen identities.

Where do you get this stuff?

Illegal immigrants can not access welfare. Ever. They do however tend to pay billions in tax to the benefit of the rest of the population.



not to mention chinese and russian spies slipping in

That's a good one. The only Chinese spy to make the news in recent history gained access through Mar a Lago. The Russian spy caught would also have connections there but I seem to recall she'd gained access through the NRA.

[Katman]

Hey! pee wee, do not come onto forums in countries other than the USA and start spewing your I love Rump BS!.
That poor woman was Executed! There is no other word for it.
If you can't admit that what you and the rest of the world has seen was MURDER then you may as well, close your eyes, ears and mouth and quietly die in the corner,.
The way Rump and his whole BS pysho's will, soon!
If you continue to post in this vein I will make sure you can't do it here, ever again. Do You Understand?
Here in NZ and many other countries (excluding the US, NOW!) generations fought and died for the right of their fellow citizens to be able to live their lives unmolested by fools idiots and Criminals with power.
Yes you can say what you want here, but, I can do what I can to mitigate your bs, you have been warned!
There are consequences for everything we do , say or how we act, I am letting you know in advance, if it costs me my position here in KB, I will gladly make sure you and your Ilk never have a platform here. :angry:

I see the standard of moderating hasn't improved here at all. :facepalm:

[husaberg]

I see the standard of moderating hasn't improved here at all. :facepalm:
Oh, truly? That's a delightful piece of self-congratulatory self delusion. I am sure others might have a slightly different take as the moderators finally booting you out for a few years was like a breath of fresh air for the forum. Since your grand return, your antics have been neutered. Perhaps it's time for another one of your famous self-polls? You know, just to keep the tradition alive… or alive again… or again, again!

[BMWST?]

Hey! pee wee, do not come onto forums in countries other than the USA and start spewing your I love Rump BS!.
That poor woman was Executed! There is no other word for it.
If you can't admit that what you and the rest of the world has seen was MURDER then you may as well, close your eyes, ears and mouth and quietly die in the corner,.
The way Rump and his whole BS pysho's will, soon!
If you continue to post in this vein I will make sure you can't do it here, ever again. Do You Understand?
Here in NZ and many other countries (excluding the US, NOW!) generations fought and died for the right of their fellow citizens to be able to live their lives unmolested by fools idiots and Criminals with power.
Yes you can say what you want here, but, I can do what I can to mitigate your bs, you have been warned!
There are consequences for everything we do , say or how we act, I am letting you know in advance, if it costs me my position here in KB, I will gladly make sure you and your Ilk never have a platform here. :angry:

give your fellow KB ers some credit caseye. I think we all can see the misinformaion our selves.

[Katman]

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[peewee]

this was last night not far from me. why not just obey the agents commands ?? if youve commited no crime you can go on about your day in a matter of minutes.
you dont have the right to fight the law just because you dont like the law

https://katu.com/news/local/homeland-security-identifies-venezuelan-couple-shot-by-border-agent-in-portland-incident-dhs-cpb-tren-de-aragua-gang-prostitution-ring-luis-david-nico-moncada-yorlenys-betzabeth-zambrano-contreras

[husaberg]

this was last night not far from me. why not just obey the agents commands ?? if youve commited no crime you can go on about your day in a matter of minutes.
you dont have the right to fight the law just because you dont like the law

https://katu.com/news/local/homeland-security-identifies-venezuelan-couple-shot-by-border-agent-in-portland-incident-dhs-cpb-tren-de-aragua-gang-prostitution-ring-luis-david-nico-moncada-yorlenys-betzabeth-zambrano-contreras
This must be why you cant produce any evidence to back up your 10 million claim you have made multiple times
unless of coarse you have only now figured out you were spouting total horseshit.

. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i

his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in ,
As you have claimed now multiple times this figure about his rival letting another ten million illegals in as part of the.....


how about you produce some backing for the claim of the ten million illegals biden/harris let in.....?
I will look forward to you sourcing that one with verifiable figures .......

[peewee]

This must be why you cant produce any evidence to back up your 10 million claim you have made multiple times
unless of coarse you have only now figured out you were spouting total horseshit.


As you have claimed now multiple times this figure about his rival letting another ten million illegals in as part of the.....


how about you produce some backing for the claim of the ten million illegals biden/harris let in.....?
I will look forward to you sourcing that one with verifiable figures .......





https://youtu.be/bKCIYWOAdpc?si=e8KzJx__GgSRA-me

[husaberg]

So i ask for any evidence to back up your 10 million claim you have made multiple times



. i like that he shut the border and trying to deport the 10million illegals biden let it. i

his rival that certainly would of allowed another 10million illegals in ,
As you have claimed now multiple times this figure about his rival letting another ten million illegals in as part of the.....


how about you produce some backing for the claim of the ten million illegals biden/harris let in.....?
I will look forward to you sourcing that one with verifiable figures .......




https://youtu.be/bKCIYWOAdpc?si=e8KzJx__GgSRA-me

Wow that's damming evidence ........ but only for your own stupidity in posting it:first:

You claim this is evidence to back up your repeated claims that biden let in 10 million on the border?
Yet he says 6 million people were caught at the border and then claims 2 million were trafficked into the US and got away....

They comes from US border report where 6 million were caught ie interdicted at the border under Biden's regime and turned back you imbecile.
If trump never its seems caught as many on the border doesn't it mean biden was far better at keeping out illegals than trump was?...
and that was after trump built his wall that would solve all the problems. odd did it not solve all the problems as this was after the wall trump said he built.

What actually is real is as of late 2024, there were over 10.8 million total nationwide '' interdiction's'' recorded since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021.
Of this number, about 8.7 million were at the Southwest land border.
The number of individuals who have entered and remained in the U.S. illegally (known as "known gotaways" or those processed and released) is a separate, much lower figure, though still historically high. DHS estimated there were roughly 2 million "known gotaways" between FY 2021 and late 2024.
Therefore, the claim that 10 million "illegal aliens" have been let in or allowed in the U.S. under the Biden administration is as was and will aways be demonstratively false.
Not only that you posted a video that didnt even say 10 million :tugger:
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in the next sentence he clearly adds 2 million ''gotaways'' so even though hes trying to misdirect even he knows the difference.
So you are a 5 x loser


BTW this 6 million total includes
Repeat Crossings: The "encounters" data includes individuals who attempt to cross the border multiple times and are caught each time. Government and independent analyses have estimated that repeat offenders can account for a quarter to more than half of all encounters.

Expulsions/deportations: A large percentage of these individuals were processed for expulsion under Title 42 or were deported under Title 8 authority.
They did not necessarily remain in the U.S.

Lawful Pathways: The total encounter number also includes individuals who presented themselves at official ports of entry to seek asylum or used new legal pathways like the CBP One app, which are lawful processes, not "illegal" entries.

oh look
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/