Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

Trump has just pardoned a bunch of his "co conspirators."

Putin has granted immunity to ex presidents and their families. I wonder who might benefit from that? :sherlock:

Not sure if y'all are aware how US politics work, but there are some 5,000 pages of the stimulous bill which nobody voting on it was given time to read. It doesn't just contain a provision to pay everybody $600.00. There is half a billion dollars in foreign aid to Israel, there is a clause sayng employers do not have to pay people suffering from Covid sick leave, there was another provision stipulating that employers could not be sued by employees who contracted the virus through work, and a whole host of things nobody much will even know about.

Trump has just said he wants the individual stimulous cheques increased to $2,000 and he wants other clauses removed or he will not sign.

Merry Christmas to all.

[R650R]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this (http://www.stationgossip.com/2020/12/revealed-simple-math-shows-biden-claims_21.html) and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

Well if it was in a court of law an “ eligible voter” who was not registered and some how cast a vote would find their vote ruled ineligible.
You could be of eligible age, eligible citizenship, eligible mental capacity but you can’t vote unless registered.
Wouldn’t be surprised if some democrat twitter warrior had concocted all this to explain away discrepancies like what you pointed out.
Got to love English language :)

[R650R]

Trump has just pardoned a bunch of his "co conspirators."

Putin has granted immunity to ex presidents and their families. I wonder who might benefit from that? :sherlock:

Merry Christmas to all.

All presidents do that, mere formality. Just like Obama with his drone strikes on innocent wedding parties... there’s lots of ooppps moments everywhere that on paper warrant prison time but in reality serve no purpose to prosecute

[R650R]

Oh and merry Xmas and happy new year to all

[neels]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this (http://www.stationgossip.com/2020/12/revealed-simple-math-shows-biden-claims_21.html) and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?
Around the same loop again.

The 67% turnout is of people eligible to vote, not all of them are necessarily registered to vote.

Or to put it another way - Trump can't understand how he got more votes than last time (and once again less than the other candidate) and still lost, but when the voter turnout increases by ~12% of the ~200 million eligible to vote, that's another 24 million votes for him to lose by.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. Mix and match your numbers to 'prove' your case.

[pritch]

All presidents do that, mere formality. J

We all know that. Trump's doing this off his long run up. This latest batch were relatively non-controversial, but as we count down the coming month some batches of pardons may cause rather more excitement.

His biggest problem is figuring out how to grant pardons to himself and his buddies who have not yet actually faced charges. The presidents pardon powers are very broad, but not so sweeping as to cover future crimes.

[mashman]

Elf 2 is pissed?

155,507,229(total votes) is smaller than 214,000,000 (total voters) How is that "12 million more than 100%"?

Stop looking for fraud, all of the people responsible for the election, many of them Republican, have said there was none. Certainly not eough to change an election result. Nobody with a full set of marbles is even looking now. It's only Marjorie Taylor Greene, Sidney Powell, a few other nutcases, and Trump.



"100% of eligible voters that turned out to vote"


There was a 'that' missing that I've added above. That's how it's 100% (143,380,000) + 12 million.

Actually, if you had have read the link you would have seen that someone is very much looking and approaching it correctly by providing a table that makes clear the terminology being used (Oh the english language of it all).

[mashman]

Around the same loop again.

The 67% turnout is of people eligible to vote, not all of them are necessarily registered to vote.

Or to put it another way - Trump can't understand how he got more votes than last time (and once again less than the other candidate) and still lost, but when the voter turnout increases by ~12% of the ~200 million eligible to vote, that's another 24 million votes for him to lose by.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. Mix and match your numbers to 'prove' your case.

Not quite this time. I shall explain. The table in the link uses the term registered voters as an equal term for eligible voters. As 650R points out, seeing the term used doesn't necessarily mean that those who are using the term are using it the way you want it to be used. The election numbers in the link clear this little mystery up.

With a population of 330+million, 65% of those people are eligible to vote/registered voters. That's 214+million eligible voters/registered voters (language of the link). Of that 214+million, 67% (66.2 in the article) of those guys turned up to vote. That makes 143+million people who are registered to vote. Where did the other 12 million votes come from?

[neels]

Not quite this time. I shall explain. The table in the link uses the term registered voters as an equal term for eligible voters. As 650R points out, seeing the term used doesn't necessarily mean that those who are using the term are using it the way you want it to be used. The election numbers in the link clear this little mystery up.

With a population of 330+million, 65% of those people are eligible to vote/registered voters. That's 214+million eligible voters/registered voters (language of the link). Of that 214+million, 67% (66.2 in the article) of those guys turned up to vote. That makes 143+million people who are registered to vote. Where did the other 12 million votes come from?
Nope, still the same mixing of terms to get the answer they want.

The link (http://www.stationgossip.com/2020/12/revealed-simple-math-shows-biden-claims_21.html) you posted starts with 66.2% of the voting eligible population, then gives a table of registered voters, then applies the percentage of voting eligible population to the number of registered voters to come up with the number that 'proves' their voter fraud theory.

Once sentence sums it up - "If we have 213.8 million registered voters in the US and 66.2% of all voters voted in the 2020 election" - different terms referring to different numbers meaning the conclusion is bollocks.

Perhaps they should change their page title from "Simple Math" to "Math for the Simple Minded"

[mashman]

Nope, still the same mixing of terms to get the answer they want.

The link (http://www.stationgossip.com/2020/12/revealed-simple-math-shows-biden-claims_21.html) you posted starts with 66.2% of the voting eligible population, then gives a table of registered voters, then applies the percentage of voting eligible population to the number of registered voters to come up with the number that 'proves' their voter fraud theory.

Once sentence sums it up - "If we have 213.8 million registered voters in the US and 66.2% of all voters voted in the 2020 election" - different terms referring to different numbers meaning the conclusion is bollocks.

Perhaps they should change their page title from "Simple Math" to "Math for the Simple Minded"

The table shows U.S. Population of 330ish million. That's every single man woman and child. Clearly not all 330ish million are eligible to vote, but 65% are. That 65% = 214ish million. Of that 65%, 66.2% turned up to vote. voting-eligible population is the same number as registered voters, not a different number that happens to have the same value.

[Bonez]

Your absence hasn't made you any smarter or more pleasant. No surprises there then. Ah well, starting a new ignore list takes but a minute. :bye:Oh I'm sooo heart broken you nutjob.

Still riding everywhere at 170kph? And I guess ANTIFA are still "Peaceful Protestors". And 50hp motorcycles are unfit for traveling out side of city limits. and the list goes on and on and ...

[mashman]

So, out of 40 people world wide who are 112, the U.S. is still paying support to over 6 million of them. Whilst watching someone delivering evidence in one of the court sessions, one of the analysist spoke of the databases being used to validate eligible voters. I wonder how many of that 6 million submitted an vote :shifty


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViuIvbG1cH8&feature=emb_logo

[neels]

The table shows U.S. Population of 330ish million. That's every single man woman and child. Clearly not all 330ish million are eligible to vote, but 65% are. That 65% = 214ish million. Of that 65%, 66.2% turned up to vote. voting-eligible population is the same number as registered voters, not a different number that happens to have the same value.
Yep you're right, the table shows the population of 330 million, and the number of registered voters, and what percentage of the total population that is. Not the number of eligible voters in each state, because that number wouldn't be useful to their argument.

Some even more simple maths. Total votes in 2016 = 128 million, increase in turnout in 2020 from 55% to 66%, so total number of expected votes 153 million, without accounting for the increase in total population and whatever percentage that adds.

See how the numbers just keep on adding up when you read them correctly

[mashman]

Yep you're right, the table shows the population of 330 million, and the number of registered voters, and what percentage of the total population that is. Not the number of eligible voters in each state, because that number wouldn't be useful to their argument.

Some even more simple maths. Total votes in 2016 = 128 million, increase in turnout in 2020 from 55% to 66%, so total number of expected votes 153 million, without accounting for the increase in total population and whatever percentage that adds.

See how the numbers just keep on adding up when you read them correctly

The 214ish million figure = total eligible voters as a percentage, 65%, of the total population. The author of the table has called that 214ish million people Number of Registered Voters. Not uncommon between sources. The numbers that are listed against each state in the table are the total "eligible voters in each state".

Nice extrapolation.

They do.

[neels]

The 214ish million figure = total eligible voters as a percentage, 65%, of the total population. The author of the table has called that 214ish million people Number of Registered Voters. Not uncommon between sources. The numbers that are listed against each state in the table are the total "eligible voters in each state".

I guess it depends where you get your numbers from, and whether the source is choosing to use the numbers that prove their case.

From a somewhat more reliable source, and on the reasonable assumption that the number of eligible voters hasn't decreased by 20 million in the last couple of years. Also interesting that these are the people who are quite likely to vote against the orange idiot.

According to The PEW Research Center, a nonpartisan American think tank based in Washington, DC, the number of people now eligible has grown exponentially in the last decade.

In 2000, a total of 193.4 million people could vote in the US, and by 2018 this had increased by 40.3 million to 233.7 million.

The centre encouragingly found non-white residents made up the bulk of new voters.

Their data shows Hispanic, Black and Asian voters account for more than three-quarters of the growth at 76 percent.


Nice extrapolation.
That's how maths works, if the percentage of something increases, the total number of the something increases....

Anyway, as the song goes, A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest

[mashman]

I guess it depends where you get your numbers from, and whether the source is choosing to use the numbers that prove their case.

From a somewhat more reliable source, and on the reasonable assumption that the number of eligible voters hasn't decreased by 20 million in the last couple of years. Also interesting that these are the people who are quite likely to vote against the orange idiot.

According to The PEW Research Center, a nonpartisan American think tank based in Washington, DC, the number of people now eligible has grown exponentially in the last decade.

In 2000, a total of 193.4 million people could vote in the US, and by 2018 this had increased by 40.3 million to 233.7 million.

The centre encouragingly found non-white residents made up the bulk of new voters.

Their data shows Hispanic, Black and Asian voters account for more than three-quarters of the growth at 76 percent.

The source is a link within the link. At the bottom of the page it lists the source of the statistics. Who to believe eh... especially given the proper bent nature of the current system.



That's how maths works, if the percentage of something increases, the total number of the something increases....

Anyway, as the song goes, A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest

Did you take into account Covid deaths.

No matter what the evidence says sometimes.

[R650R]

Could you imagine the media hysteria if the white racist supremistic Trump or Republican Party said this, Jesus Christ !!!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/UndergroundSilk/status/1341515238743674883

Basically Biden says by 2040 USA is doomed as whites will be a minority and blacks will have to learn to work with Mexicans who will outnumber them. Bet that's going down well with all the blacks who voted for him because " if you don't vote for me you ain't black"

Full video below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3G7n21p0kY&feature=emb_title&noapp=1

[pritch]

According to Twitter this morning, all West Wing staff at the White House have received an email advising them to clear all personal items from their office early in January. The necessary cartons and bags are their responsibility. When they depart they are to leave the office, the fridge and the microwave clean.

If any were sharing Trump's fantasy that they weren't actually leaving, that email should have burst their bubble.

[sugilite]

According to Twitter this morning, all West Wing staff at the White House have received an email advising them to clear all personal items from their office early in January. The necessary cartons and bags are their responsibility. When they depart they are to leave the office, the fridge and the microwave clean.

If any were sharing Trump's fantasy that they weren't actually leaving, that email should have burst their bubble.

Well there is a turd in their morning cornflakes.
I'm really amused by all the magas still donating to Trumps slush fund. Ultimately they are just donating to the IRS, and other federal and state departments (who they deem to be deep state) - because those departments are simply going to take all that donated cash off Trump in the form of fines once he leaves office :laugh:

[pritch]

A further observation on Trump's most recent pardons? That he pardoned a group of mercenaries who murdered fourteen people is not surprising, he's pardoned a convicted war criminal previously.

Rather more surprising is that he pardoned Papadopoulos. Trump is on record as saying he did not know Papadopoulos, he was just a guy who got the coffee.
And a pardon.

Update: A further 29 pardons today including Jared Kushner's dad and some more of Trump's buddies who were prosecuted following the Mueller investigation.

[R650R]

Trump lays out all the facts...

https://m.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/436515744393744/

[Laava]

Lol! Trump-facts!

[husaberg]

"Well, I think that I'm an honest person," "I feel I'm an honest person. And I don't mind being criticized at all by the media.
Donald Trump July 21, 2016 good morning America

[Kickaha]

Trump lays out all the facts...

Are those alternative facts or real ones ?

[pritch]

Are those alternative facts or real ones ?

Ummm I'll go with choice A. It's sad really, he's suffering from multiple untreated mental disorders and is currently completely delusional. If any of that was true his lawyers would have produced it in court. They've had sixty cases and produced nothing. Only the severely hard of thinking are still believing anything he says.

[SaferRides]

I did enjoy Trump's comments on the stimulus bill, which is an good example of everything that is wrong with US politics today.

[pritch]

When Trump saw this ad he was reported to be angry - at Pence. (Don't expect any of this to make sense.)

Pence is to confirm the Electoral College result at a joint meeting of both houses of Congress on the 6th January. Trump reportedly wants Pence to declare him as having won the election at that meeting. Pence has tried to explain that the meeting on the 6th is a formality only, Pence basically just reads out the result. There is no provision for challenging results, or any of the other insanity Trump loyalists are dreaming up.

Pence finds himself in a bind. Nothing is ever Trump's fault, there is always somebody else to blame, and the culprit of the moment is Pence. Trump's knowledge of how the government works is still not much above zero, if it was he might be worried. Apparently Trump can't fire Pence even if he wants to, although there was a rumour that he wanted to fire Pence and appoint Ivanka Vice President. Pence, on the other hand can invoke the 25th Amendment, and remove Trump. Although Pence has never looked as if he was going to do anyting much at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxBPqCHFCcc

[Laava]

Hahaha! Trump is very much like Herpes, the gift that goes on giving! Although he may scab over after the inauguration...

[pete376403]

Comment on a John Oliver YouTube - "Trump got the whole 2020 experience - got Covid, got fired, got evicted"

[R650R]

Well lookey what happened right where 4 days ago it was revealed where the dominion voting machines were being taken to be audited....

And to top it off they try blame a white supremicist in an RV...,,

And why shutdown airspace... there's something they don't want you to see.... perhaps a couple of Mk82 craters....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrivEgKQ_SE

[Bonez]

Well lookey what happened right where 4 days ago it was revealed where the dominion voting machines were being taken to be audited....

And to top it off they try blame a white supremicist in an RV...,,

And why shutdown airspace... there's something they don't want you to see.... perhaps a couple of Mk82 craters....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrivEgKQ_SE
Well the idiots believed in Shifts evidence in plain sight of Russian and Trump collaboration for three years lol.

[testastretta]

Well lookey what happened right where 4 days ago it was revealed where the dominion voting machines were being taken to be audited....

And to top it off they try blame a white supremicist in an RV...,,

And why shutdown airspace... there's something they don't want you to see.... perhaps a couple of Mk82 craters....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrivEgKQ_SE

On Friday evening, right wing social media was filled with rumors that tied the explosion to everything from a supposed series of coordinated mass shooting incidents across the country, to Chinese troops supposedly fighting in Maine, to an AT&T facility investigating Dominion voting machines. All of which is pure fantasy. However, just because there all these “theories” are themselves lies based on lies, that doesn’t mean that the bomber him, her, or themselves aren’t following some equally obscure belief.

[pritch]

On Friday evening, right wing social media was filled with rumors that tied the explosion to everything from a supposed series of coordinated mass shooting incidents across the country, to Chinese troops supposedly fighting in Maine, to an AT&T facility investigating Dominion voting machines. All of which is pure fantasy. However, just because there all these “theories” are themselves lies based on lies, that doesn’t mean that the bomber him, her, or themselves aren’t following some equally obscure belief.

True. While out for dinner last night the topic cropped up and it was suggested because of the explosion occurring outside the AT&T building that it was an anti-5G nutter.
Probably as good a guess as any, and at least half right. It was definitely a nutter.

[Bonez]

On Friday evening, right wing social media was filled with rumors that tied the explosion to everything from a supposed series of coordinated mass shooting incidents across the country, to Chinese troops supposedly fighting in Maine, to an AT&T facility investigating Dominion voting machines. All of which is pure fantasy. However, just because there all these “theories” are themselves lies based on lies, that doesn’t mean that the bomber him, her, or themselves aren’t following some equally obscure belief.It's obvious it was the Russians. Retaliation for the US taking the out a Rusky power station during last winter..

Didn't that MSNBC man-girl predict this was going to happen?

[sugilite]

Turns out it was a old white guy who was a anti 5G nut job. Fox commenters saying he was a Trumper going on his facebook page, no idea if that is true. But would be par of the course for these types.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nashville-bombing-suspect-is-anthony-quinn-warner-63-police-sources-say

[sugilite]

Love seeing these modern day "profits" desperately backing their philandering grifter leader :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfDouDlHM88

[pritch]

Turns out it was a old white guy who was a anti 5G nut job.

Yeah my neighbour got it in one the other night.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/27/nashville-blast-investigators-examine-5g-paranoia

[R650R]

Turns out it was a.... .... no idea if that is true. But would be par of the course for these types.


Well if those "types" were FBI patsies which they have a habit of using... you know where they've been caught before using mentally impaired people that can't do anything and supply them with all the gear....

The swamp vs the good guys?

https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/12/brabantian-nsa-cia-war.html


Some interesting technical analysis here....

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=43827

[R650R]

In Seattle, NYC, LA, theft under $900 is no longer a crime....

Coming to NZ soon... welcome to the great reset....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw&noapp=1

[Laava]

In Seattle, NYC, LA, theft under $900 is no longer a crime....

I am pretty sure that you dont believe that. Not sure why you would even post it tbh.

[pete376403]

Turns out it was a old white guy who was a anti 5G nut job. Fox commenters saying he was a Trumper going on his facebook page, no idea if that is true. But would be par of the course for these types.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nashville-bombing-suspect-is-anthony-quinn-warner-63-police-sources-say

That article is quite straight forward (for Fox - our viewers don't expect facts - news) but, shit, the comments. There are some seriously deranged people who come across as far more dangerous than an old white guy with a grievance and a bomb

[Kickaha]

Some interesting technical analysis here....


You spelled paranoid bullshit wrong

[Viking01]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/24/unconscionable-christmas-eve-gop-blocks-2000-direct-payments-struggling-americans

Now:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/27/after-deadly-delay-trump-folds-and-signs-coronavirus-relief-bill

[pritch]

Trump really is ignorant of how government works. If in doubt read this. Not a clue.

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/bait-and-switch-did-donald-trump-just-fall/35071/

[SaferRides]

Yeah my neighbour got it in one the other night.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/27/nashville-blast-investigators-examine-5g-paranoia

My son has turned off 5g on his phone, but only because the battery lasts much longer.

[F5 Dave]

My son has turned off 5g on his phone, but only because the battery lasts much longer.
Yes that makes a lot of sense, what with the faster data rate.

Try turning off all the Gs. Or better yet power button. Save heaps of battery life.

[sugilite]

Watching the Trump team crumble and grow ever smaller is so entertaining.
Latest allies to stab him in the back is the New York Post - previously staunch Trump supporters.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/stop-the-insanity-new-york-post-slaps-down-donald-trump/UY6FQ4LOZZE4LSBHR6JZ2FRIOI/

So calling Mr Demonlord,
Surely now Biden has been confirmed and all the (barely) credible lawyering and judging has now happened - it is time to bravely state that you were wrong, Trump did not win the election comfortably - he in fact lost it comfortably. Neigh, he lost it by a landslide, since he himself deemed the same margin in 2016 as a landslide.
So come on man, the gig is up - time to concede bro - you can do it! :yes:

[husaberg]

Watching the Trump team crumble and grow ever smaller is so entertaining.
Latest allies to stab him in the back is the New York Post - previously staunch Trump supporters.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/stop-the-insanity-new-york-post-slaps-down-donald-trump/UY6FQ4LOZZE4LSBHR6JZ2FRIOI/

So calling Mr Demonlord,
Surely now Biden has been confirmed and all the (barely) credible lawyering and judging has now happened - it is time to bravely state that you were wrong, Trump did not win the election comfortably - he in fact lost it comfortably. Neigh, he lost it by a landslide, since he himself deemed the same margin in 2016 as a landslide.
So come on man, the gig is up - time to concede bro - you can do it! :yes:

You need to remember This is the guy that claimed to know more about US national security than the FBI
More about US law than the Supreme court.
More about the law than any lawyer.
Claimed stuff was in the koran but not in the bible then refused to admit he was wrong when he was shown to be.
A guy who claimed t know more about what a word means than a dictionary.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185771-Free-speech?p=1131109834#post1131109834
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185625-Tommy-Robinson?p=1131118602&highlight=supreme+court#post1131118602

A guy who claimed a law that 80% of Kiwis agreed with and that 99% of the MP voted for was undemocratic.
A guy who claimed more than once the nazis were left wing FFS

[F5 Dave]

Love seeing these modern day "profits" desperately backing their philandering grifter leader :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfDouDlHM88
Just had time to watch that.

Fuking blows me away that they, the Christian right wing, want Trump. I mean Biden is probably demonstrably more Christian than Trump. I mean Satan is more Christian than Trump.

Why on earth do they think Trump is part of the great sky pixies plan?:confused:

[pritch]

Just had time to watch that.

Fuking blows me away that they, the Christian right wing, want Trump. I mean Biden is probably demonstrably more Christian than Trump. I mean Satan is more Christian than Trump.

Why on earth do they think Trump is part of the great sky pixies plan?:confused:

Yeah, I blame Fox "News".

[husaberg]

348188
decide for yourself..........

edit And today
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[F5 Dave]

Yeah, I blame Fox "News".

I blame my beautiful love Satan. And of course Jews and Democrats.

And Democracy.

[pritch]

Voter fraud confirmed in Pennsylvania!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV-92HMNGuY

[pritch]

The hot buzz among the MAGAts is that the Nashville explosion was a missile strike on the AT&T building. The AT&T building was targeted because the Dominion voting machines had been moved there to be audited.

You can't blame these tinfoil hat wearers totally because their imbecile in chief is the worst offender.

Wot a fucked up country.

[pritch]

A longish read, perhaps too long for some. Fintan O'Toole's work is impressive.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trump-has-unfinished-business-a-republic-he-wants-to-destroy-still-stands-1.4435655

[pritch]

Short read: The UN says that Trump's pardon of four mercenaries convicted of killing 14 unarmed civilians breaches international law.

[Kickaha]

Short read: The UN says that Trump's pardon of four mercenaries convicted of killing 14 unarmed civilians breaches international law.

As if he would care about that, American Law is what counts

[pete376403]

As if he would care about that, American Law is what counts

He doesn't even seem to care too much about American law for that matter, except when it suits his requirements

[Grumph]

As if he would care about that, American Law is what counts


He doesn't even seem to care too much about American law for that matter, except when it suits his requirements

Ironically then, it's going to be American Law which will bring him down in the end.

I see the court case which aims to give Pense the power to ignore precedent and select any slate of Electors he prefers - rather than the majority vote - is stalling.
Pense doesn't seem to want a bar of it. Oh dear Donnie won't be pleased.
But at least one Senator is prepared to object so the confirmation process is going to drag out anyway.

i hadn't realised that in a couple of states at least the losing Republicans had held their Electors meeting and put forward a slate of electors for Trump - despite the state governors confirming the results.
This on the face of it gives Pense an alternative selection when he opens the Electoral College votes....

Whether Pense is brave enough to be the guy who stole the election - in plain sight - is another question entirely. One school of thought says he will go awol and leave it to a deputy.

Yep, what a fucked up country.

[pritch]

This on the face of it gives Pense an alternative selection when he opens the Electoral College votes....


It was reported that Pense had tried to make clear to Trump that his job is ceremonial, all he will do is unlock the box. Of course that's not what Trump wanted to hear, so he's telling his supporters to go to DC on the 6th.

[mashman]

Did Lin Wood just tweet that Epstein is alive :killingme... wouldn't that make things interesting.

[pete376403]

Couple of days ago, but Republican congressman-elect dies from the hoax

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/luke-letlow-us-congressman-elect-dies-of-covid-aged-41

[husaberg]

Couple of days ago, but Republican congressman-elect dies from the hoax

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/luke-letlow-us-congressman-elect-dies-of-covid-aged-41
If he was his old mate Trump could give him a pardon as well.

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,”“He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
Especially according to Old Jeff he introduced Trump to his current wife.
https://i.imgur.com/wMgTBY0.jpg

[pritch]

Did Lin Wood just tweet that Epstein is alive :killingme... wouldn't that make things interesting.

Mr Wood says a lot of things, but not many make much sense. He's telling all Christians to attend church to pray for truth - in the midst of a pandemic with the US daily death toll approaching 4,000.

He is attacking Chief Justice John Roberts. Attacking the head of the Supreme Court when you are hoping they'll hear your case seems an unusual approach. Unless he's trying to build in an excuse for why the Court wouldn't heaar his case?

Lin is an equal opportunity attacker though. Democrats are usually 'communists', but he also attacks prominent Republican politicians who are more likely to be described as traitors. He has now turned his ire on Mike Pense.

He has apparently referred to himself as Christ reborn. I can see a reference to that but not the actual tweet. Wading through his ravings is hard work.

[husaberg]

Mr Wood
He has apparently referred to himself as Christ reborn. I can see a reference to that but not the actual tweet. Wading through his ravings is hard work.
that last bloke that was reborn as Christ was in the woodworking trade as well.........

[pritch]

Further to yesterday's post about Lin Wood, there are indications he's losing the plot. He's now suggesting the Vice President should be charged with treason and implies he should be executed by firing squad. Problem is that the US has enough mental cases with guns, that there is a chance one of them might take matters into his own hands.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/l-lin-wood-pence-execution-treason_n_5fef9625c5b6fd33110de8de

[pete376403]

VP Pence appears to be slightly more rational (in this case) than trump would have hoped

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/31/politics/pence-gohmert-electoral-college-lawsuit/index.html

and now a Federal judge has dismissed the suit

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/us/politics/mike-pence-louie-gohmert-lawsuit.html

[Grumph]

Gohmert is quoted elsewhere as saying that the decision leaves no alternative "But to bring violence to the streets - like Antifa or BLM"

I think we can see where he's coming from.

The US is paying a very high price for the mistake of electing the orange haired conman to a job he couldn't do.

[SaferRides]

One plus to this is that it may become so wacko that most Republicans representatives could find themselves in a position where they can no longer support Trump. But having "sold their souls to the devil", I expect many may feel they have no choice but to continue down the rabbit hole with their Great Leader.

[pritch]

I expect many may feel they have no choice but to continue down the rabbit hole with their Great Leader.

And so it came to pass...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/02/cruz-johnson-9-other-gop-senators-say-they-will-not-vote-certify-electors-unless-audit-is-conducted/

[husaberg]

And so it came to pass...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/02/cruz-johnson-9-other-gop-senators-say-they-will-not-vote-certify-electors-unless-audit-is-conducted/

Ted Cruz a republican so unpopular that can only win in texas with a 50.9 to 48.3% margin.
Trump and cruz share a major donor a dude who also funded the push for brexit.

Robert Mercer who just so happens to co-own of Cambridge Analytica's

The New York Times and The Observer reported that the company had acquired and used personal data about Facebook users from an external researcher who had told Facebook he was collecting it for academic purposes.
Shortly afterwards, Channel 4 News aired undercover investigative videos showing Nix boasting about using prostitutes, bribery sting operations, and honey traps to discredit politicians on whom it conducted opposition research, and saying that the company "ran all of (Donald Trump's) digital campaign". In response to the media reports, the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) of the UK pursued a warrant to search the company's servers.Facebook banned Cambridge Analytica from advertising on its platform, saying that it had been deceived. On 23 March 2018, the British High Court granted the ICO a warrant to search Cambridge Analytica's London offices.As a result, Nix was suspended as CEO, and replaced by Julian Wheatland.
CA's involvement in the 2016 Republican Party presidential primaries became known in July 2015. As of December 2015, CA claimed to have collected up to 5,000 data points on over 220 million Americans. At that time Robert Mercer was a major supporter of Ted Cruz. The Mercer family funded CA directly and indirectly through several super-PACs as well as through payments via Cruz's campaign.

Cruz became an early major client of CA in the 2016 presidential campaign. Just prior to the Iowa Republican caucuses, the Cruz campaign had spent $3 million for CA's services,[151] with additional money coming from allied Super-PACs. After Cruz's win at the Iowa caucus CA was credited with having been able to identify and motivate potential voters.[152][153] Ultimately the Cruz campaign spent $5.8 million on work by CA.

Ben Carson was a second client of CA; his campaign had paid $220,000 for "data management" and "web service" as reported in October 2015.[15] Marco Rubio's campaign was supported by Optimus Consulting. Meanwhile, the third competitor, Governor John Kasich, was supported by rivalling firm Applecart.[

After Cruz dropped out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination in May 2016, Robert Mercer and his daughter Rebekah Mercer started to support Trump. In August, it became known that CA followed their allegiance and worked for Trump's presidential campaign. Trump's campaign also worked with digital firm Giles Parscale. In September, the Trump campaign spent $5 million to purchase television advertising.
The personal data of up to 87 million Facebook users were acquired via the 270,000 Facebook users who used a Facebook app called "This Is Your Digital Life." By giving this third-party app permission to acquire their data, back in 2015, this also gave the app access to information on the user's friends network; this resulted in the data of about 87 million users, the majority of whom had not explicitly given Cambridge Analytica permission to access their data, being collected. The app developer breached Facebook's terms of service by giving the data to Cambridge Analytica.

On 1 May 2018, Cambridge Analytica and its parent company filed for insolvency proceedings and closed operations

On 4 August 2017, Michael Flynn, who is under investigation by US counterintelligence for his contacts with Russian officials, amended a public financial filing to reflect that he had served in an advisory role in an agreement with CA during the 2016 Trump campaign.

n 2018, following disclosures that the company had improperly used the personal information of over 50 million Facebook users while working on Trump's presidential campaign, The Times of Israel reported that the company had used what Nix had called "intelligence gathering" from British and Israeli companies as part of their efforts to influence the election results in Trump's favor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5lxpt3T5-w

[mashman]

Mr Wood says a lot of things, but not many make much sense. He's telling all Christians to attend church to pray for truth - in the midst of a pandemic with the US daily death toll approaching 4,000.

He is attacking Chief Justice John Roberts. Attacking the head of the Supreme Court when you are hoping they'll hear your case seems an unusual approach. Unless he's trying to build in an excuse for why the Court wouldn't heaar his case?

Lin is an equal opportunity attacker though. Democrats are usually 'communists', but he also attacks prominent Republican politicians who are more likely to be described as traitors. He has now turned his ire on Mike Pense.

He has apparently referred to himself as Christ reborn. I can see a reference to that but not the actual tweet. Wading through his ravings is hard work.

Certainly some bonkers claims being made. I'm surprised someone isn't suing him for such slanderous remarks... especially in the U.S.

Anyhoo, I'm starting to warm to pelosi after she decorated her garage door in a protest for the hard working american that 2k don't make rent. Onya crinkly bottom face.

[pritch]

Cruz is an interesting character, but not in a good way. Born in Canada the son of a Cuban immigrant, he got himself elected in Texas as a white supremacist. Naturally when he was running to be the Republican candidate to stand against Hillary Clinton, Trump wanted his elligibilty to be president tested by the courts since he was not born in the USA. During that campaign Trump said Cruz's father was involved in the assasination of JFK. Trump also said Cruz's wife was ugly. So naturally Rafael Eduardo Cruz (call me Ted) is now a staunch Trump supporter.

He was elected to the Senate as a member of the Tea Party. The Tea Party people were for nothing, they were basically against everything. The Tea Party survivors in the Senate now refer to themselves as the Freedom Caucus.

Typically he votes against aid to areas of the US hit by a natural disaster - unless it's in Texas.

The years haven't changed much. He is still for nothing against everything, except Ted Cruz - and Donald J Trump.

[pritch]

This is truly extraordinary - and scary. In an hour long phone call Trump tries to cajole the Secretary of State for Georgia to overturn the result of November's election.
It really does seem he believes the shit he is spouting. The scary part? Even if Georgia did what he asked it wouldn't give him the election, what else has he got going on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hrN0cP58Y

That should result in the 25th Amendment being invoked but past performances suggest it won't be. Although a Trump supporter suggesting Pense should face a firing squad might have changed Pense's point of view.



PS The Washington Post has the full 1:02:04 of the call, but the short version is enough for me.

[F5 Dave]

Jesus Fuck is he deluded. I mean that is outstanding. Then talking about himself in 3rd person at the end. Dopey cunt.

[SaferRides]

The worst thing is the Republicans have caved as usual and it is estimated that at least 10 senators and over 100 representatives are going to object to the results in some states on 6 January.

I expect most of them are up for reelection in 2022 and are shit scared of Trump. But this could be a pattern for what happens after 20 January, with Trump still having a huge influence over what the Republicans do.

[sugilite]

I'm expecting the Trump turd to use the massive slush fund from the maga losers who donated to his bullshit stop the steal campaign to start his own break away party. The republicans deserve nothing less :laugh:

[george formby]

I'm expecting the Trump turd to use the massive slush fund from the maga losers who donated to his bullshit stop the steal campaign to start his own break away party. The republicans deserve nothing less :laugh:

:shifty: He does have a solid history of changing his political allegiance. Do your balls tinkle like crystal?

[F5 Dave]

I'm expecting the Trump turd to use the massive slush fund from the maga losers who donated to his bullshit stop the steal campaign to start his own break away party. The republicans deserve nothing less :laugh:
Oh I do hope so.

It would divide the votes conclusively.

[R650R]

Cruz is an interesting character, but not in a good way. Born in Canada the son of a Cuban immigrant, he got himself elected in Texas as a white supremacist. Naturally when he was running to be the Republican candidate to stand against Hillary Clinton, Trump wanted his elligibilty to be president tested by the courts since he was not born in the USA. During that campaign Trump said Cruz's father was involved in the assasination of JFK. Trump also said Cruz's wife was ugly. So naturally Rafael Eduardo Cruz (call me Ted) is now a staunch Trump supporter.

He was elected to the Senate as a member of the Tea Party. The Tea Party people were for nothing, they were basically against everything. The Tea Party survivors in the Senate now refer to themselves as the Freedom Caucus.

Typically he votes against aid to areas of the US hit by a natural disaster - unless it's in Texas.

The years haven't changed much. He is still for nothing against everything, except Ted Cruz - and Donald J Trump.

Interesting alright....

Another site says he has just sunk trump with his latest inquiry that will calm the voters until it’s too late to do anything. 14 days during which investigators with foggy glasses will find nothing, and by then Biden’s is in anyway...

[husaberg]

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
Except, y'know when he said 'DAMN RIGHT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR AR-15s!'

Which would indicate quite the distaste for the 2nd Amendment.


Or just a distaste for the public having assault weapons meant for war. They are simply designed to kill as many human beings as efficiently and as quickly as possible. The public simply do not need such weapons. End fucking of.

i never seen this post at the time
Guess who didnt say the quote TLDR said
it was actually Beto O’Rourke that said

https://www.facebook.com/betoorourke/videos/hell-yes-were-going-to-take-your-ar-15/1314479732058749/
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200314/fact-check-does-video-show-joe-biden-threatening-to-take-guns


O’Rourke called for mandatory buybacks of assault style weapons. He famously said during the Sept. 12 debate in Houston: “Hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15, your AK-47.”


the lcosest biden said, “if he wins he is coming for ‘em,’ referring to Beto Orourge when he was running for President.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsVreGRlMbk&feature=emb_logo
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200314/fact-check-does-video-show-joe-biden-threatening-to-take-guns

[F5 Dave]

You know what they say.

The only way to stop a member of your family or a neighbour, is a good guy with a gun.

Or something like that. :ar15:

[F5 Dave]

Fuck can you imagine as an up an coming Republican getting the call to play golf with the orange imbecile? What do you do? If you win against the fat old cunt: political suicide. He"d never talk to you again and forget your position. If you threw the game: loser. Never respect you. Political suicide.

Feign death?

I got better. :innocent:

[Kickaha]

Fuck can you imagine as an up an coming Republican getting the call to play golf with the orange imbecile? What do you do?

You nail him in the head with your 3 wood on your backstroke

[pritch]

Trump's "mob boss" call to the Georgia Secretary of State has caused excitement in the US. Trump supporters say that the Georgia reps broke the law by recording the conversation. There were several laws broken but that'd be the least of them. Besides which one party to a conversation taping it is reportedly legal in both DC and Georgia. Trump though has issued legal proceedings.

Apparently there were a number of people present in Georgia for the call and the SoS said he would not release the tape unless ha was attacked by Trump. Following the call Trump fired of an angry tweet about the SoS so the tape was released to the Washington Post.

[Grumph]

One commentator has described it as sheer desperation because he's facing probable bankruptcy - and possible gaol time.

Who knows what promises have been made in anticipation of a second term....and to whom. He's obviously scared.

The charges are mounting up.
That phone call was official business - his Chief of Staff and other officials were on it.
That means that under the rules the White House operates on, there should be a transcript in the official archives....

Anyone want to risk a chocolate fish on the chance there won't be ?

i reckon the whole family will wind up as exiles in Saudi Arabia. Kushner's aleready creamed millions off the dubious arms deals.

[george formby]

The only word that covers my feels. Put to music.


https://youtu.be/MuZhnNR6vzc

[mashman]

That phone call was official business - his Chief of Staff and other officials were on it.
That means that under the rules the White House operates on, there should be a transcript in the official archives....

Anyone want to risk a chocolate fish on the chance there won't be ?

The entire real actual audio is freely available on t'internet. You could read the subtitles.

[pritch]

The whole 1:02:04 is available on YouTube or multiple other sites. The written transcript is also freely available on CNN etc.

The only alteration that I’m aware of is the deletion of the name of a woman to whom Trump referred several times. (Sometimes the name is bleeped, others leave the name in.)

[Grumph]

I'm not arguing it isn't publicly available. I'm saying I doubt if a copy will make it to the official archives. Different thing entirely.

I'm also picking that towards the 20th of Jan there will be a quiet purge of documents and records in the White House. Illegal too.

Saw this today - appropriate I thought.

The devil called down to Georgia

He was looking for votes to steal

He was in a bind

Because he was way behind

And he was looking to make a deal....

[husaberg]

I'm not arguing it isn't publicly available. I'm saying I doubt if a copy will make it to the official archives. Different thing entirely.

I'm also picking that towards the 20th of Jan there will be a quiet purge of documents and records in the White House. Illegal too.

Saw this today - appropriate I thought.

The devil called down to Georgia

He was looking for votes to steal

He was in a bind

Because he was way behind

And he was looking to make a deal....

When he came across this orange man
fiddling the books with all he's got
And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump
And said, "boy let me tell you what, I guess you didn't know it but I'm a fiddler too
And if you'd care to take a dare I'll make a bet with you"

The boy said, "my name's dony
And it might be a sin
but I'll take your bet and you're gonna regret
I'm the most bent that's theres ever been"

[SaferRides]

I skimmed through the first 30 minutes of the transcript as listening to an hour of Trump would be unbearable.

I think he really believes he "won" the election and it was stolen. Whether that is because he cannot face losing as some have said, or is severely delusional is another story.

[F5 Dave]

That kinda adds up to the same thing described either as a symptom or the illness.

[pritch]

I skimmed through the first 30 minutes of the transcript as listening to an hour of Trump would be unbearable.

I think he really believes he "won" the election and it was stolen. Whether that is because he cannot face losing as some have said, or is severely delusional is another story.

I'm only half way through too. I'm wondering if he actually believes all that crap because he's seen it reported, but nobody dares tell him it's nonsense. Some of the incidents he mentions have popped up on KB 'cause his 'believers' posted them here. F'rinstance the video of the 'suitcases' being dagged out from under a table. Subsequently these spurious reports were debunked, but I'm wondering if anybody has told Trump.



I'm not arguing it isn't publicly available. I'm saying I doubt if a copy will make it to the official archives. Different thing entirely.
I'm also picking that towards the 20th of Jan there will be a quiet purge of documents and records in the White House. Illegal too.

It is generally conceded that the Trump Presidential Library will contain only colouring books - and possibly the lavatory on which he sat while composing angry tweets.

Towards the 20th? It was reported before Christmas that the shredders were working overtime.

[pritch]

About now Cleta Mitchell will be losing sleep. (Is Cleta the female equivalent of Cletus?) She was with Trump during his call to Georgia and took part, she was "not the attorney of record but has been involved". The law firm employing her has anounced that her presence on the call is of concern and is being investigated.

Interesting. It's almost as if they think she might have been walking down the hallway, tripped, and fallen into the Oval Office?



Update: The lawfirm is a large one with multiple offices and had a policy that they would not represent anybody contesting the election result. Ms Mitchell has handed in her resignation.

[R650R]

One commentator has described it as sheer desperation because he's facing probable bankruptcy - and possible gaol time.

Who knows what promises have been made in anticipation of a second term....and to whom. He's obviously scared.

The charges are mounting up.
That phone call was official business - his Chief of Staff and other officials were on it.
That means that under the rules the White House operates on, there should be a transcript in the official archives....

Anyone want to risk a chocolate fish on the chance there won't be ?

i reckon the whole family will wind up as exiles in Saudi Arabia. Kushner's aleready creamed millions off the dubious arms deals.

He’s going to Scotland, home of the brave and er freemasonry....

You have to ask why are there not clear clips of what he said... this is another he said she said the cat said heresay accusation that will go nowhere...

[pritch]

He’s going to Scotland, home of the brave and er freemasonry....

You have to ask why are there not clear clips of what he said... this is another he said she said the cat said heresay accusation that will go nowhere...

Prestwick airport has been advised to expect a US military 757. Of course if Trump turned up there now he'd be in breach of Britain's lockdown rules.

Not sure what you think was not clear. The entire 1:02:04 is clear as a bell. And yes, as sad as it may be, I've now listened to the whole thing.

This press conference is by Gabriel Sterling who is the offical responsible for elections in Georgia. He starts out talking about the imminent run-off election. He then moves on to replying to the statements made in Trumps phone call, item by item, demolishing them each in turn. Trump and his team threw a lot of iigures around, all bollocks according to Mr Sterling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLYugNRVLiQ

[R650R]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fQu7gZQ65Q&feature=emb_logo&noapp=1

[mashman]

I'm not arguing it isn't publicly available. I'm saying I doubt if a copy will make it to the official archives. Different thing entirely.

Shirely what Edward Snowden showed people pretty much guarantees that it'll end up on the record you state. He has nothing to fear from that call except the one eyed monster.

[onearmedbandit]

F'rinstance the video of the 'suitcases' being dagged out from under a table. Subsequently these spurious reports were debunked, but I'm wondering if anybody has told Trump.



A friend of mine is a Trump supporter (for whatever reasons, I try not to get into political debates with him) and he showed me that video. I replied that yes I had heard the claims but then I had also heard that it had been debunked. His reply was that of course they'll say that, that that's what they want you to believe, you don't know how far up this goes, they'll do anything to disprove Trump etc etc. No evidence would satisfy him that it's not how Trump supporters suggest it is. No evidence. None. Not even Trump himself saying he believes it to be debunked, he would argue that Trump was forced or coerced to say it, or that it's part of his plan to win the election back by blah blah blah. My point is, there is no telling some people.

Yes this guy is my friend, one of my best friends actually. Since school days. He owns a successful business, has a loving family who he works hard for, is reasonable, thoughtful, considerate. But I don't judge people on where they lie on the political spectrum (unless of course it involves extremism or violence).

[F5 Dave]

One obviously has to respect that people even friends have differing political or moral standpoints.


And then mock them mercilessly.

[F5 Dave]

He’s going to Scotland, home of the brave and er freemasonry....

You have to ask why are there not clear clips of what he said... this is another he said she said the cat said heresay accusation that will go nowhere...

Maybe he was saying good things instead of sounding like a cunt.:sunny:

[Laava]

He is waaaay past the point of not sounding like a cunt.

[husaberg]

Trump did tell one truth in his Geogia speech "I have been involved in the two largest scams in US history"

but the claim to have built 500 miles of the new wall only 15 miles of new wall.
Before he took office, there were 654 miles (just over 1,000km) of barrier along the southern border - made up of 354 miles of barricades to stop pedestrians and 300 miles of anti-vehicle fencing.
Now, according to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in its 6 October status report, the southern border has 669 miles of "primary barrier" - the first structure people heading from Mexico to the US will encounter - and 65 miles of "secondary barrier"


In his 2016 election campaign, when he pledged to build a concrete wall along the border's entire 2,000-mile length.
He later clarified that it would cover only half of that. And by the time of his State of the Union address in February this year, his pledge had been reduced to "substantially more than 500 miles" by January 2021.
Throughout his 2016 election campaign, when he described it, he talked about concrete.

But once elected, he began referring to a barrier made of steel, which would enable border agents to see through it.
And what has been built so far is mostly such steel fencing.
Specifically, much of the current wave of construction is 18-30ft (5.4-9m) reinforced bollard fencing.

Trump's pledge on the campaign trail in 2016 to get Mexico to pay for the wall, it is the US government that has spent billions of dollars to expand and reconstruct it.
Just over $5bn (£3.9bn) in funding has come via traditional means through the CBP, but Mr Trump has also ordered almost $10bn in Department of Defense.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46824649

[Grumph]

Sterling should get the Presidential Medal of Honour. He won't of course bacause if Biden gave it to him it would fuel the right....

I was in hospital pre Xmas. Got buttonholed in the ward lounge by a person who through an obviously painful broken jaw - which he'd had for a week before going for attention - then proceeded to tell me how Trump had won the election...
I'm afraid I was not polite. Cut him off in full flow and debunked most of his claims. Hospital is not the place for arguments. I simply ignored him for the rest of the time. I pointed him out to one of my nurses and said I'd talked to him....She simply rolled her eyes but didn't say anything. Very proper too.
I've got to say that appearance wise and personality wise he was exactly how I've always imagined Yokel to be.....

[pritch]

Sterling should get the Presidential Medal of Honour. He won't of course bacause if Biden gave it to him it would fuel the right....

I was in hospital pre Xmas. Got buttonholed in the ward lounge by a person who through an obviously painful broken jaw - which he'd had for a week before going for attention - then proceeded to tell me how Trump had won the election...
I'm afraid I was not polite. Cut him off in full flow and debunked most of his claims. Hospital is not the place for arguments. I simply ignored him for the rest of the time. I pointed him out to one of my nurses and said I'd talked to him....She simply rolled her eyes but didn't say anything. Very proper too.
I've got to say that appearance wise and personality wise he was exactly how I've always imagined Yokel to be.....

It can be confusing. I know a couple, both nice people, she is very smart, appears to have a good general knowledge, and has her own business. Just lately though I'm picking up the odd comment that jars. It's becoming evident that she's reading - and believing - some 'alternative' news sources.

Americans comment on social media that their family is split. Often it's the parents that have been watching FOX, have drunk the Kool Aid, and are die hard MAGAts.

I'm reminded of the research that found people who watch FOX know less than people who don't watch news at all.

Sterling has appeared in two press conference clips I've seen. He's impressive.

[husaberg]

Good people can have bad ideas or become infected with bad information from poor or misinformed sources.
Stupid people can too. a Dam sight easier and faster.
The problem is the echo chambers that are all to prevalent on the internet play on people's confirmation bias and racism sexism etc.
Once infected, their ego, as well as the dunning Kruger effect, prevents anything that doesn't suit permeating through no matter how logical or how much proof thatt hey are wrong its almost impossible to shift the bias.
it's like when you point out how trump lies, the stock return, instead of admitting this it's, so it's "no he exaggerates" or "no its the media" the closest you will ever get is "they all do it", but never with any evidence.

[Grumph]

Google's algorythms are the culprit IMO. Click on a pro trump site and they'll offer you more of the same - getting more extreme as you continue down that path.

Show by clicking that it's your preference and all your searches will be biased in that direction.

It's very easy to get so far away from the mainstream that you're in an alternate reality.

I'm on a US based forum where there are several living down that rabbit hole. When someone posts a link to MSM it's ridiculed simply because it is mainstream.

Personally I stay on centerist or center left biased sites. The only US based news site I loiok at is Politico.

[pritch]

Yesterday a Scottish news reporter revealed that Trumps golf course at Turnberry is fully booked for January. Recent activity by US military aircraft and a booking for a Boeing 757 at Prestwick airport suggested Trump was planning to travel there.

The First Minister of Scotland has announced that Scotland is in lockdown, entry is now only granted for essential business and golf is not essential business. It would seem Trump is banned.

Ireland might be nice this time of year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiTRejL7tI8

[Bonez]

Good people can have bad ideas or become infected with bad information from poor or misinformed sources.
.Oh the irony...:lol:

Just saying.

[husaberg]

Google's algorythms are the culprit IMO. Click on a pro trump site and they'll offer you more of the same - getting more extreme as you continue down that path.

Show by clicking that it's your preference and all your searches will be biased in that direction.

It's very easy to get so far away from the mainstream that you're in an alternate reality.

I'm on a US based forum where there are several living down that rabbit hole. When someone posts a link to MSM it's ridiculed simply because it is mainstream.

Personally I stay on centerist or center left biased sites. The only US based news site I loiok at is Politico.

You could say that, but if the onlineMedia sources had to be held to the same broadcasting standards like NZ and other first world countries the problem would disappear.
Funny that the conspiracy and right-wing ones get all bent out of shape about the censorship" when they talk about having to have control by private organisations to prevent the spreading of false information like alex jones when they were removed.

[Bonez]

Sterling should get the Presidential Medal of Honour. He won't of course bacause if Biden gave it to him it would fuel the right....

.When you say "the right" do you mean the extremist right, right right, middle right or left right?

Or all of the above?

One needs to be more specific before one make such generalized statements, which is the norm for most posters in this thread.

Also isn't time to start a thread about President Elect Joe Bidin? After all this thread is suppose to be about outgoing President Trump.

Just saying..

[Grumph]

When you say "the right" do you mean the extremist right, right right, middle right or left right?

Or all of the above?

One needs to be more specific instead of making such generalized statements, which is the norm for most posters in this thread.

Just saying..

Trolls who can ignore context in pursuit of the trolling I put on ignore. It's easier than red repping you several times a week.

[Bonez]

Also isn't time to start a thread about President Elect Joe Bidin? After all this thread is suppose to be about outgoing President Trump.

Just saying..

[Bonez]

Why, prey tell, didn't those evil Russians prevent Pres Elect Joe Bidens being elected as the new US president?:cool:

[Bonez]

Btw I laugh my tits off when posters on various forums call me a troll just because I have a different ponit of view than thiers. IE it doesn't effect me at all.

Anyway off for another ride to get some screws fop my latest laptop project.

I look forawrd to you'lls passionate responses.:innocent:

Luv Bonez.

[nerrrd]

Social media is now a victim of it's own success, I doubt if President Trump will be the last President to try and bring some legislative accountability to it.

But media is media, none of us can be 100% sure that the way something is reported by anyone, social, mainstream or otherwise is objectively 'accurate'. In the same way that any historical document has to be read and understood in the context of the person writing it at the time, not taken at face value.

What worries me is that the level of 'belief without question' that used to be reserved for religion seems to be being transferred onto politics, where it has the potential to be a whole lot more dangerous.

President Trump really believes that he won the election, despite not being able to prove it to any official level of satisfaction. That's really scary to me, and why we're getting Secretaries of Defence publishing letters warning him not to use the armed forces to subvert the democratic process. Yikes.

[husaberg]

Now it looks like the dems control the senate and congress, i wonder if Trump still wants to be president, is there enough time to impeach him again.......

[F5 Dave]

Trolls who can ignore context in pursuit of the trolling I put on ignore. It's easier than red repping you several times a week.

Hes been on ignore for ages. Total waste of existence. People live and die. Why are nasty people get to live past their welcome

[Bonez]

Hes been on ignore for ages. Total waste of existence. People live and die. Why are nasty people get to live past their welcomeI just :love: it when you talk dirty Dave.:violin:

Just saying..

[SaferRides]

Now it looks like the dems control the senate and congress, i wonder if Trump still wants to be president, is there enough time to impeach him again.......A black senator from Georgia. Let that sink in.

Looks like the blame game has already started.

[Laava]

Hes been on ignore for ages. Total waste of existence. People live and die. Why are nasty people get to live past their welcome
Same, it is a cyclic thing with him. He loses the plot and gets put in the naughty corner cos he can't control his childish emotional outbursts. Then he flounces off in a huff and doesn't post for weeks before poking his troll-like bonce around the door again.

[pritch]

If you are in a position to do so, turn on CNN. Trump supporters have invaded the Capitol building. The business of Congress (confirming the election result) has been stopped. The Capitol police were overwhelmed, reinforcements are arriving, but slowly. This is all unprecedented.

There is, or has just been, an armed standoff at the door to the chamber.

People like sarah Kendzior and Bill Maher consistently said that Trump would not go quietly. They knew that of which they spoke.

[Grumph]

i note the Capitol is under a lockdown due to protesters having entered the complex....

Two states Trump won confirmed then Arizona objected to - as expected.
But as an American on another site commented - Mitch McConnell is finally talking sense - and all it took was losing his job as Senate leader....

Trump's in burn it down mode. Followed IMO by walk away....

[george formby]

Mike Pence, the VP ushered quickly away. Not having a good day.

[pritch]

Anyone who hasn't got SKY can see this on Aljazeera.

Same shot as the other one different angle. Who knew that in the 21st century, intrusion defences in the nerve centre of the "greatest nation on earth," consisted of pushing furniture in front of the door?

[george formby]

Anyone who hasn't got SKY can see this on Aljazeera.

Pretty sure it's on live streams on youtube, too. CNN etc.

What happens in a couple of hours when the curfew kicks in? Bomb threats are popping up in the media.

:crazy::eek5:

[Bonez]

It's good to see the whole KB knitting circle is in full swing.:bleh:

Just saying...

[pritch]

It's good to see the whole KB knitting circle is in full swing.:bleh:

Just saying...

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post an idiotic comment and remove all doubt. :whistle:

[george formby]

It's good to see the whole KB knitting circle is in full swing.:bleh:

Just saying...

You dropped a stitch.

[sugilite]

Also isn't time to start a thread about President Elect Joe Bidin? After all this thread is suppose to be about outgoing President Trump.

Just saying..


Also isn't time to start a thread about President Elect Joe Bidin? After all this thread is suppose to be about outgoing President Trump.

Just saying..

This seems very important to you, here is a thought, why don't you start the thread yourself - the mods can come and clean up the spelling when they do their weekly purge of the majority of your posts to pd :sunny:


Why, prey tell, didn't those evil Russians prevent Pres Elect Joe Bidens being elected as the new US president?:cool:
Because the guy Trump put in charge of security of the election did a great job. Well done on that appointment president trump!


Btw I laugh my tits off when posters on various forums call me a troll just because I have a different ponit of view than thiers. IE it doesn't effect me at all.


Clearly demonstrated by your need to post how you don't care :laugh:
Oh yes, how is doctor turdley getting on with promoting "the unstoppable wave of conservatism" these days?
Conservatives lost the presidential election, lost the house, and lost the senate all under Trumps watch. Dimwitted Trump supporters missed that all Trumps life he has poisoned everything he touches.
Dems handed the republican party Trumps head on a platter by impeaching him, and the republicans were too cowardly to swing the sword for fear of a barrage of mean tweets - poor dears. Bet they regretting that now huh :lol:
Wait until Trump announces his own party splitting the conservative vote - conservatives won't see power for a long time to come. You probs better go over and give dr turdley a big hug and buy one of his sponsored survival packs while you are at it :msn-wink:


If you are in a position to do so, turn on CNN. Trump supporters have invaded the Capitol building. The business of Congress (confirming the election result) has been stopped. The Capitol police were overwhelmed, reinforcements are arriving, but slowly. This is all unprecedented.

There is, or has just been, an armed standoff at the door to the chamber.

People like sarah Kendzior and Bill Maher consistently said that Trump would not go quietly. They knew that of which they spoke.

Yep, as usual coward Trump getting others to do the dirty work while he observes the carnage, all because his mental disorders cannot let him accept loss.


Anyone who hasn't got SKY can see this on Aljazeera.

Same shot as the other one different angle. Who knew that in the 21st century, intrusion defences in nerve centre of the "greatest nation on earth," consisted of pushing furniture in front of the door?
This is probs just the start - a lot more turmoil to go me thinks.

Sooooo, hasn't Demonlord gone all quiet n shit. Comon DL you must of known when you ponied up with Trump it would inevitably come to this. The orange turd is circling the dunny bowl at an ever faster rate, the momentum is now such that clearly the backsplash to your face is unbearable to the point of prohibiting you from posting. Pieces of shit are flying off the orange one getting stuck in the teeth of the riders. Many of his closest supporters are now jumping turd, but you are hanging in their like a champ DL! Look to the left and right of you mate, you have the likes of Rudy and other crazy lawyer powell as riding mates - this is the level of intelligence you have bound yourself with. Are you going to jump off for sanity's sake? Or are you riding this one all the way past the swamp and into the sewer? :wings:

[Bonez]

Did somebody post something?

Keep those luvaly red roses acumming ladies...

Just saying.

[sugilite]

Is that a banana is his pocket, or has Trump just sent him a nude selfie? :laugh:

https://images.scribblelive.com/2021/1/6/aa4efcd7-97c1-4414-8572-de45aca8b4ef_800.jpg

[R650R]

Mike Pence, the VP ushered quickly away. Not having a good day.

That was forecast yesterday in advance via a Freudian slip....


https://www.youtube/HuwaaMRtej0

[R650R]

For the peaceful protests unfolding today Trump is equally to blame in the same amount that Biden and Democrat officials were for the peaceful protests in Democrat cities during the entirely arson and riot free BLM protest debacle.

What’s really interesting today is that the media can suddenly print large pictures of thousands of Trump supporters that they couldn’t bring themselves to do during election campaign.

I’m off to buy shares in popcorn who knows where this sideshow goes next.

Will be interesting to see if these are genuine supporters or paid Antifa provocateurs in disguise.

[Bonez]

For the peaceful protests unfolding today Trump is equally to blame in the same amount that Biden and Democrat officials were for the peaceful protests in Democrat cities during the entirely arson and riot free BLM protest debacle.

What’s really interesting today is that the media can suddenly print large pictures of thousands of Trump supporters that they couldn’t bring themselves to do during election campaign.

I’m off to buy shares in popcorn who knows where this sideshow goes next.

Will be interesting to see if these are genuine supporters or paid Antifa provocateurs in disguise.Good idea.

It comes in handy watch the KB Kniitting Circle posts in this thread as well.;)

[R650R]

Anyone who hasn't got SKY can see this on Aljazeera.

Same shot as the other one different angle. Who knew that in the 21st century, intrusion defences in nerve centre of the "greatest nation on earth," consisted of pushing furniture in front of the door?

Just like 911 when despite intercepting wayward or unresponsive civilian aircraft over sixty times in the preceding nine months the worlds foremost military airpower failed to intercept the 911 planes.
Hi chances the door were ‘accidently’ left wide open...

Problem-reaction-solution...

[pritch]

Is that a banana is his pocket, or has Trump just sent him a nude selfie? :laugh:

https://images.scribblelive.com/2021/1/6/aa4efcd7-97c1-4414-8572-de45aca8b4ef_800.jpg

Does that shirt proclaim him to be a supporter of Puerto Rico? :sherlock:

/s

[sugilite]

Does that shirt proclaim him to be a supporter of Puerto Rico? :sherlock:

/s

Well that could explain the roll of paper towels in his pants :laugh:

[R650R]

Live from CNN

The protests have ended in the Capital Building.
Trump has met their demands and ended unfair taxes on Triumph motorcycles in America designed to protect Harley Davidson.
It seems autocorrect was to blame and the Triumph protestors were dealt a short straw by a summer intern hire at local printer.
Triumph 2020 spokesman Oilly Leaksalot said they saw the error but thought no one would notice anyway. He said they having trouble with internal issues and says a sub group Ridin with Biden is behind most of the issues.
They also clashed with a pro Trump Harley group called Hardley Leaning but that ended when the other groups support vehicle and trailer was unavailable to cover the ride to DC.

[SaferRides]

Watched the ABC News, some discussion about why the Capitol wasn't better protected. A very good question.

But then maybe no one expected the president to tell his mob to stop the election count.

Also discussions about invoking the 25th amendment, although that could really start something. But they will have to keep Trump under control for the next 2 weeks somehow.

[pritch]

Twitter have removed some recent Trump tweets and locked his account. They've also stated that if other tweets are not removed the account will remain locked. A good move if four years late.

The alternate universe inhabited by the MAGAts continues. According to comments on Parler the insurgency today was a false flag operation, the rioters were Antifa in disguise. Never mind that many of them looked as if they had just walked off the set of Duck Dynasty.

Two hours after the start of the curfew the Police are clearing the insurgents away, but CNN just reported that the "patriots" say they will be back "with rifles."
In the circumstances the correct response to that would be snipers and machine guns but...

Many people now, including Republican politicians, are calling for the 25th Amendment to be invoked. Some say that could be messy and an immediate impeachmet would be cleaner. Reportedly Pense is running things now, they might as well make it official.

[Bonez]

Live from CNN

The protests have ended in the Capital Building.
Trump has met their demands and ended unfair taxes on Triumph motorcycles in America designed to protect Harley Davidson.
It seems autocorrect was to blame and the Triumph protestors were dealt a short straw by a summer intern hire at local printer.
Triumph 2020 spokesman Oilly Leaksalot said they saw the error but thought no one would notice anyway. He said they having trouble with internal issues and says a sub group Ridin with Biden is behind most of the issues.
They also clashed with a pro Trump Harley group called Hardley Leaning but that ended when the other groups support vehicle and trailer was unavailable to cover the ride to DC.Reminds me of an old joke.- 95% of Harley Davidson's are still on the road. The rest made it home...:lol:

[mashman]

What happened? I was off being less bored somewhere else. Did the people get angry? Did the representatives of the people tell the protect and serve guys to go kick the peoples' ass? Just investigate the fucking election, and when you do, make the data available for anyone to read real-time. T'Would remove the confusion for the data concerned. Maybe add in a little suggestion that someone made a while ago about a kind of town cryer who announces some level of vote information for all to see and hear etc... Investigate the damned election or rerun the fucker exceptionally transparently. How else do ya avoid the police/army etc... being told to do their job and execute someones' side pick. They've printed fuck knows how much for Covid response, despite homelessness and various other poverty issues etc..., as well as a few overseas funds to the tune of trillions of the final Bill is to be believed, yet it's a no to spending money into the economy to sort something out, like an election that's at the seat of it all, that has the potential to take the U.S. into a civil war. Not sure who's running the place, but fuckin' hell are they dumb. Do. It. Again. And. Avoid. All. Agro.

[SaferRides]

In case you missed it, Trump started the election fraud story before the 2016 election because he expected to lose. It's all in his head, although he has managed to convince millions of his followers that it actually happened in 2020.

No inquiry will ever change their minds unless Trump says it ain't so.

[sugilite]

What happened? I was off being less bored somewhere else. Did the people get angry? Did the representatives of the people tell the protect and serve guys to go kick the peoples' ass? Just investigate the fucking election, and when you do, make the data available for anyone to read real-time. T'Would remove the confusion for the data concerned. Maybe add in a little suggestion that someone made a while ago about a kind of town cryer who announces some level of vote information for all to see and hear etc... Investigate the damned election or rerun the fucker exceptionally transparently. How else do ya avoid the police/army etc... being told to do their job and execute someones' side pick. They've printed fuck knows how much for Covid response, despite homelessness and various other poverty issues etc..., as well as a few overseas funds to the tune of trillions of the final Bill is to be believed, yet it's a no to spending money into the economy to sort something out, like an election that's at the seat of it all, that has the potential to take the U.S. into a civil war. Not sure who's running the place, but fuckin' hell are they dumb. Do. It. Again. And. Avoid. All. Agro.
The 60 court cases thrown out, multi multi recounts showing no election fraud were not enough?
Just the word of one man baby - a serial liar and his fellow arse licking suck ups being the ones spreading the misinformation and out eight lies.
No amount of investigations or do overs will appease brainless dickhead trump supporters. So no point really eh.

[george formby]

No amount of investigations or do overs will appease brainless dickhead trump supporters. So no point really eh.


Nevertheless, he loves and is proud of his fan base. Allegedly.

:crazy: The fanbase. (https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/editors-picks/trump-supporter-yells-its-a-mass-spreader-event-after-telling-crowd-to-hug-each-other-N7SZwcuI)

[R650R]

Let’s forget this is America....

Let’s imagine we are watching news coverage from some third world country...

Cause EVERY time we have seen that the media has told us the PEOPLE are right in their claims the election was rigged... shortly after B52s would be delivering democracy via airmail....

Anyhow you all wanna know what the MAJOR takeaway from today’s drama is regardless of how real it is independant or staged.... there’s ONE major important thing....

The Trump protestors did NOT block motorways and harm innocent bystanders...
They did NOT commit ARSON and burn hard working small businesses to the ground...
They did NOT loot Nike stores as they have jobs and pay for their own stuff...
They did NOT erect a border wall....
They did NOT burn police stations....

ITV news has a pretty good unbiased clip about 7mins long with footage inside building.
Aside from the police shooting a female protestors it was all very non violent as far as political protests go, sure few broken windows and doors....

The way this is going I think the Elite are trying to start a second civil war...

[Bonez]

Let’s forget this is America....

Let’s imagine we are watching news coverage from some third world country...

Cause EVERY time we have seen that the media has told us the PEOPLE are right in their claims the election was rigged... shortly after B52s would be delivering democracy via airmail....

Anyhow you all wanna know what the MAJOR takeaway from today’s drama is regardless of how real it is independant or staged.... there’s ONE major important thing....

The Trump protestors did NOT block motorways and harm innocent bystanders...
They did NOT commit ARSON and burn hard working small businesses to the ground...
They did NOT loot Nike stores as they have jobs and pay for their own stuff...
They did NOT erect a border wall....
They did NOT burn police stations....

ITV news has a pretty good unbiased clip about 7mins long with footage inside building.
Aside from the police shooting a female protestors it was all very non violent as far as political protests go, sure few broken windows and doors....

The way this is going I think the Elite are trying to start a second civil war...I find that pesky Rusky channel RTV America to be more credible than ANY US channel.

[sugilite]

Anyhow you all wanna know what the MAJOR takeaway from today’s drama is regardless of how real it is independant or staged.... there’s ONE major important thing....

The Trump protestors did NOT block motorways and harm innocent bystanders...
They did NOT commit ARSON and burn hard working small businesses to the ground...
They did NOT loot Nike stores as they have jobs and pay for their own stuff...
They did NOT erect a border wall....
They did NOT burn police stations....


Give it time, this party is just getting started.

[pete376403]

Let’s forget this is America....

Let’s imagine we are watching news coverage from some third world country...

Cause EVERY time we have seen that the media has told us the PEOPLE are right in their claims the election was rigged... shortly after B52s would be delivering democracy via airmail....

Anyhow you all wanna know what the MAJOR takeaway from today’s drama is regardless of how real it is independant or staged.... there’s ONE major important thing....

The Trump protestors did NOT block motorways and harm innocent bystanders...
They did NOT commit ARSON and burn hard working small businesses to the ground...
They did NOT loot Nike stores as they have jobs and pay for their own stuff...
They did NOT erect a border wall....
They did NOT burn police stations....

ITV news has a pretty good unbiased clip about 7mins long with footage inside building.
Aside from the police shooting a female protestors it was all very non violent as far as political protests go, sure few broken windows and doors....

The way this is going I think the Elite are trying to start a second civil war...

A woman did get shot in the Capitol building and later died, but, meh , nothing important.

[husaberg]

Twitter have removed some recent Trump tweets and locked his account. They've also stated that if other tweets are not removed the account will remain locked. A good move if four years late.

The alternate universe inhabited by the MAGAts continues. According to comments on Parler the insurgency today was a false flag operation, the rioters were Antifa in disguise. Never mind that many of them looked as if they had just walked off the set of Duck Dynasty.

Two hours after the start of the curfew the Police are clearing the insurgents away, but CNN just reported that the "patriots" say they will be back "with rifles."
In the circumstances the correct response to that would be snipers and machine guns but...

Many people now, including Republican politicians, are calling for the 25th Amendment to be invoked. Some say that could be messy and an immediate impeachment would be cleaner. Reportedly Pense is running things now, they might as well make it official.

"Back with rifles"to Washington..... interesting in that they will be arrested if they not get shot as Washington as we all know do not allow open carry unless you are military and concealed is pretty hard as well.

Just seen this

Moments before a pro-Trump mob broke into the Capitol and forced its evacuation, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) put his foot down Wednesday on baseless claims that the election was somehow stolen from President Trump.


We’re debating a step that has never been taken in American history, whether Congress should overrule the voters and overturn a presidential election. I’ve served 36 years in the Senate. This will be the most important vote I’ve ever cast.

Trump claims the election was stolen. The assertions range from specific local allegations to constitutional arguments to sweeping conspiracy theories.

I’ve supported the president’s right to use the legal system, dozens of lawsuits, perceived hearings in courtrooms all across our country. But over and over, the courts rejected these claims — including all-star judges whom the president himself has nominated. Every election we know features some illegality and irregularity, and of course that’s unacceptable. I support strong, state-led voting reforms. Last year’s bizarre pandemic procedures must not become the new norm.
But, my colleagues, nothing before us proves illegality anywhere near the massive scale — the massive scale — that would have tipped the entire election. Nor can public doubt alone justify a radical break, when the doubt itself was incited without any evidence. The Constitution gives us here in Congress a limited role. We cannot simply declare ourselves a national board of elections on steroids.

The voters, the courts and the states have all spoken. They’ve all spoken. If we overrule them, it would damage our republic forever.

This election actually was not unusually close. Just in recent history, 1976, 2000 and 2004 were all closer than this one. The electoral college margin is almost identical to what it was in 2016. If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral. We’d never see the whole nation accept an election again. Every four years would be a scramble for power at any cost. The electoral college, which most of us on this side have been defending for years, would cease to exist, leaving many of our states with no real say at all in choosing a president. The effects would go even beyond the elections themselves.

[pritch]

A woman did get shot in the Capitol building and later died, but, meh , nothing important.

Apparently the woman was one of a number of people trying to get through a locked door within the capitol building. Tragic, but play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

There were also reports of multiple police being injured and taken to hospital.

[pritch]

Rudy Giuliani is the gift that keeps on giving. There were reports that Giuliani and Trump were calling politicians who had been expected to support Trump's call to object to the normal process of confirming the election result. This with the object of shoring up support for Trump's cause.

Rudy has a reputation for butt dials and wrong numbers. Again, intending to call Senator Tuberville, a new senator who is startlingly ignorant of the American political system, Rudy dialled a wrong number. He left a long message on the phone of another senator. The recorded message is now on Twitter in full.

With friends like Rudy...

[george formby]

Rudy Giuliani is the gift that keeps on giving. There were reports that Giuliani and Trump were calling politicians who had been expected to support Trump's call to object to the normal process of confirming the election result. This with the object of shoring up support for Trump's cause.

Rudy has a reputation for butt dials and wrong numbers. Again, intending to call Senator Tuberville, a new senator who is startlingly ignorant of the American political system, Rudy dialled a wrong number. He left a long message on the phone of another senator. The recorded message is now on Twitter in full.

With friends like Rudy...

Rudy suggested a trial by combat at a recent rally. Pay per view investor no doubt.

An article about the woman who was shot is up on the Herald at the mo.

A tragedy within a tragedy.

I have to stop watching, it's like Rome come back to life.

[F5 Dave]

The 60 court cases thrown out, multi multi recounts showing no election fraud were not enough?
Just the word of one man baby - a serial liar and his fellow arse licking suck ups being the ones spreading the misinformation and out eight lies.
No amount of investigations or do overs will appease brainless dickhead trump supporters. So no point really eh.

Fuck Mashy I couldn't have said it better. How fucking stupid are you? Trump supporter stoopid obviously.


AhhDuhh.

[F5 Dave]

Let’s forget this is America....

Let’s imagine we are watching news coverage from some third world country...

Cause EVERY time we have seen that the media has told us the PEOPLE are right in their claims the election was rigged... shortly after B52s would be delivering democracy via airmail....

Anyhow you all wanna know what the MAJOR takeaway from today’s drama is regardless of how real it is independant or staged.... there’s ONE major important thing....

The Trump protestors did NOT block motorways and harm innocent bystanders...
They did NOT commit ARSON and burn hard working small businesses to the ground...
They did NOT loot Nike stores as they have jobs and pay for their own stuff...
They did NOT erect a border wall....
They did NOT burn police stations....

ITV news has a pretty good unbiased clip about 7mins long with footage inside building.
Aside from the police shooting a female protestors it was all very non violent as far as political protests go, sure few broken windows and doors....

The way this is going I think the Elite are trying to start a second civil war...

And again. Trump or followers behave badly. Excuse? Oh but but but, look at other people.

Look we understand you didn't like Black Lives Matter. How dare they?


. . . what about me? It isnt fair. I've had enough and I want my share. (Again)
what about meee? Boohoo sniff. It isn't fair.

I'm white and superior to other races as God ordained I have dominion over the animal kingdom, so if I can just extend that to other races I'll feel better about being an insignificant stain on a bedsheet.

[husaberg]

The 60 court cases thrown out, multi multi recounts showing no election fraud were not enough?
Just the word of one man baby - a serial liar and his fellow arse licking suck ups being the ones spreading the misinformation and out eight lies.
No amount of investigations or do overs will appease brainless dickhead trump supporters. So no point really eh.
Remember only ten pages ago when mr potato head was given all the information and still decided it was fraud using "yokel math"
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/188513-Trump?p=1131178606#post1131178606

on the 25th amendemnt

In order for the 25th Amendment to be enacted, Pence would need to produce a letter co-signed by a majority of Trump's 15 cabinet secretaries that states he is unable to "discharge the powers and duties of his office", which would then be delivered to the Speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader.
At that moment, Pence would immediately become President until Trump himself delivers a letter countering the claim. If that happened, Congress would then be required to assemble within two days to vote on the matter.
If two-thirds majority of both chambers agree Trump is unfit, Pence would remain the acting president until Biden's inauguration.

[R650R]

And again. Trump or followers behave badly. Excuse? Oh but but but, look at other people.

Look we understand you didn't like Black Lives Matter. How dare they?


. . . what about me? It isnt fair. I've had enough and I want my share. (Again)
what about meee? Boohoo sniff. It isn't fair.

I'm white and superior to other races as God ordained I have dominion over the animal kingdom, so if I can just extend that to other races I'll feel better about being an insignificant stain on a bedsheet.

Not about excusing anyoneÂ’s behaviour... in facts itÂ’s sad they didnÂ’t use their collective intellect to be 100% peaceful instead of 95% to show the true difference between left and right political
Spheres, themselves just an illusion in this game of democracy our owners let us play to keep life on the plantation civil.

I LOVED blm, thereÂ’s nothing better than a display of blatant hypocracy and disrespect for others to show what a sham the whole sideshow of political correctness, equality is... Just look at their brief experiment of defund the police, blacks were still killing blacks even in their new enclave.

I already have most of what I want in life, I got it by working for it. LifeÂ’s never fair so IÂ’m never bothered by someone else having more or less, thatÂ’s just how the cookie crumbles. I even LOVE the treaty of Waitangi before you play that card too, itÂ’s way cheaper than the cost of guerilla warfare other nations have with displaced indigenous populations. I just wish theyÂ’d understand it was the Rothschild banking cartels that really robbed them, being white was just incidental in the mix.

White people are not superior in general to other races, all have their strengths and weaknesses. I think you might need to re read the bible on that other stuff, IÂ’m not a church goer so not my speciality though....

Top marks for concisely tying politics, race card and projection of your own issues into a short concise rant.

[Bonez]

Speaking of POCs and half casts where's nephew Dean at?

[F5 Dave]

. . .
White people are not superior in general to other races,

... .

Oh well, glad we cleared that up with a qualified statement.

[pritch]

Hallelujah! After all that, Congress has just certified Joe Biden as the next president of the United States. It must be nearly 4.00AM there, the politicians put in a big day one way and another.

[neels]

And it's done.

Eventually.

Thank fuck for that.

[Paul in NZ]

Let’s forget this is America....

Let’s imagine we are watching news coverage from some third world country...

Cause EVERY time we have seen that the media has told us the PEOPLE are right in their claims the election was rigged... shortly after B52s would be delivering democracy via airmail....

Anyhow you all wanna know what the MAJOR takeaway from today’s drama is regardless of how real it is independant or staged.... there’s ONE major important thing....

The Trump protestors did NOT block motorways and harm innocent bystanders...
They did NOT commit ARSON and burn hard working small businesses to the ground...
They did NOT loot Nike stores as they have jobs and pay for their own stuff...
They did NOT erect a border wall....
They did NOT burn police stations....

ITV news has a pretty good unbiased clip about 7mins long with footage inside building.
Aside from the police shooting a female protestors it was all very non violent as far as political protests go, sure few broken windows and doors....

The way this is going I think the Elite are trying to start a second civil war...

There was a huge difference in how it was managed and policed...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html

[pritch]

And Trump has issued a statement conceding victory to Joe Biden. Among other things...

It must have dawned on him that there was a straight jacket in his future.

[SaferRides]

Only 2 objections supported by senators in the end - Arizona and Pennsylvania. The woman from Georgia changed her mind after what happened.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. Most Senate Republicans have not supported Trump so impeachment is definitely an option. However, that could spark further trouble, but it would mean Trump could never run for office again.

[husaberg]

And Trump has issued a statement conceding victory to Joe Biden. Among other things...

It must have dawned on him that there was a straight jacket in his future.

i cant find that i can only find this

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th," Trump said in the statement
"I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again."



Lindsay Graham
Count me out, enough is enough.
i dont buy this enough is enough.
it's over he won Biden is the legitment president of the united states.

[pritch]

So a good time was had by all. A real riot you might say. The police are examining the TV coverage but some clowns don't seem to think ahead much.


Guy the first has scored this for his man cave perhaps. Guy the second is reclining in a seat in the office of the House Speaker. Both photos are all over social media, these dudes should be expecting a knock on the door anytime.

[Grumph]

So a good time was had by all. A real riot you might say. The police are examining the TV coverage but some clowns don't seem to think ahead much.


Guy the first has scored this for his man cave perhaps. Guy the second is reclining in a seat in the office of the House Speaker. Both photos are all over social media, these dudes should be expecting a knock on the door anytime.

I'm confident everyone who got inside will be identified. There are a shitload of CCTV cameras in those buildings.

But knock on the door ? No, they're not black. They'll be scooped up eventually when they come out of their trailers.

[pritch]

I'm confident everyone who got inside will be identified. There are a shitload of CCTV cameras in those buildings.

But knock on the door ? No, they're not black. They'll be scooped up eventually when they come out of their trailers.


Both those guys have now been identified by name on Twitter. The reclining dude has a business in Arkansas that received a cheque in the first stimulous payout.
The authorities have asked people who have photos to post them on social media. There was a Brit ITV crew inside with the rioters and there is a good footage.
There are photos of a couple of dudes in full "military/leo" kit, armed, each carrying a bunch of nylon 'handcuffs'. They were there to take prisoners.

Pelosi wants the cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment, Shumer wants Trump impeached. The Democrats need to get their fucking ducks in a row.
Other reports say that both the House and the Senate have adjourned until after the inauguration. That really would be crazy.

Impeachment would be the better option, Trump would be banned from holding any public office, If the dithering, do nothing politicians got their act together, Trump could be gone by day's end.

Trump has been banned from Facebook and Instagram. To his reported chagrin, his Twitter account is still suspended. He is not considered fit to have access to social media accounts but still has the nuclear codes?

Overnight our time the National Guard arrived. Better late then never. Maybe they should stick around until after the inauguration.

Oh, and the term TDS is dead.

[pete376403]

Can't help but imagine the body count if the "protestors" (rioters) had been black/brown

[sugilite]

Oh, and the term TDS is dead.
I said from the early outset of the term TDS being coined, that it would ultimately be applied to trumps followers. That is well on the way to coming to be.

[mashman]

Fuck Mashy I couldn't have said it better.

You're right, you couldn't and there are a great many reasons for that that are inherently irrelevant.


Trump supporter stoopid obviously.

Nope.


How fucking stupid are you?

Not as stupid as you obviously.


AhhDuhh.

AhhDuhh.

[mashman]

So no point really eh.

True. Let the corruption continue as it really wasn't that bad eh.

[sugilite]

True. Let the corruption continue as it really wasn't that bad eh.
Yes, despite probably the highest levels of scrutiny ever placed on a US election, no meaningful voter fraud was found.
Only Trump supporters with bad cases of TDS think there was any fraud. That is simply because they are to weak of character to actually look outside their own tiny bubbles to see the truth.

[pritch]

i cant find that i can only find this

That's it. "Nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on the 20th," is as close as he could get to a gracious concession.

That same morning he had said, "We will never concede." Then again, that morning he also said he would march with the idiots to the Capitol. The gullible shitheads cheered. He doesn't walk anywhere, let alone march, and of course he promptly hopped in his car and fucked off back to the White House.

Since then he has moved to Camp David. Maybe he's putting some distance between himself and the psychiatrists.


One unintended consequence for the deluded fuckups that marched, or supported the putsch on social media. When their boss sees the evidence, they become unemployed.

[george formby]

Like the guy wearing his work ID badge to storm the Capitol? :wacko:

[mashman]

Yes, despite probably the highest levels of scrutiny ever placed on a US election, no meaningful voter fraud was found.
Only Trump supporters with bad cases of TDS think there was any fraud. That is simply because they are to weak of character to actually look outside their own tiny bubbles to see the truth.

Of course there was fraud. What was disputed was whether the levels found were enough to justify preventing certification. The caughts said not enough. Hard to get these things correct with your TDS displays.

[R650R]

Oh well, glad we cleared that up with a qualified statement.

Cheers thanks for quoting that out of contex.....

[R650R]

Can't help but imagine the body count if the "protestors" (rioters) had been black/brown

The media would have been forced to call it a peaceful protest, black people don't riot.
The police would have been ordered to stand down and the protestors would establish an autonomous zone like a breakaway republic, perhaps they could call it the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone if they established it nearby on a grassy knoll..... man all that sounds familiar....
And despite everyone being regarded as free and equal you'd have to set up a border wall and demand ID. You'd prob want a warlord type chap to keep order in between killing people from his own race.... Man why does that all sound so familiar......

[HenryDorsetCase]

I read something this morning comparing the BLM protests (that picture of the National Guard on the steps of the capitol, shoulder to shoulder sending a very clear "dont fuck with us" message to the utter lack of preparedness and presence yesterday. The message was that yesterdays attempted coup could not have occurred without complicity from the DC police. This isnt the exact article but is interesting nonetheless

https://www.fastcompany.com/90591789/who-is-in-charge-of-capitol-building-security-anyway-a-primer

[R650R]

Twitter have removed some recent Trump tweets and locked his account. They've also stated that if other tweets are not removed the account will remain locked. A good move if four years late.

The alternate universe inhabited the circumstances the correct response to tht would be snipers and machine guns but...
.

Conspiracy theorists having been saying for about last 20 years that a technocratic dictatorship is set to take over the world.....

And here we have it, a couple of private company's with a virtual monopoly via their market share and influence level in partnership with the privately owned mainstream media disable the easiest form of communication f the most powerful man in the world while he his still officially in office...

No matter which side your on that should really ring alarm bells...

The silver lining of communism though is who they will first come for.....

Whether it's the Chinese or the Bolsheviks (no ones quite sure whose really the top dog) one thing communists HATE and disrespect is those who commit betrayal or are not loyal to the leader. They will see you anti trumpets as a great threat.... cause eventually under proper communism people realise it's not great and start to rebell.... and now they know who is not loyal to the ELECTED leader of the country....

And when you speak of shooting people, does it not occur that those above higher up the food chain might think the same. People should never encourage that in any political sphere.... but it seems a paradoxical feature of the left, they don't like guns but they like using them on their opponents...

[R650R]

So a good time was had by all. A real riot you might say. The police are examining the TV coverage but some clowns don't seem to think ahead much.


Guy the first has scored this for his man cave perhaps. Guy the second is reclining in a seat in the office of the House Speaker. Both photos are all over social media, these dudes should be expecting a knock on the door anytime.

Yes indeed, very typical of Anitifa operations, you see a few of the leaders fully masked up but the rest of the unemployed chasing a George Soros pay check are to dumb to care and prob lied to and told they'll be safe....

The best photo shows the leader Michael Vos, who was let in by police and just happens to be Nancy Pelosis son in law.... you can pick your friends but you can't choose your relatives eh.....

There's a tweet in stuff news article and someone high up in the justice area does a good rant on how all these people will be brought to justice.... but he keeps calling them ACTORS, never calls them criminal or protestors or rioters.... the elite will never outright lie in media and love to expose them selves in plain sight, some kind of weird spiritual self absolvment complex....

[sugilite]

Of course there was fraud. What was disputed was whether the levels found were enough to justify preventing certification. The caughts said not enough. Hard to get these things correct with your TDS displays.
You mean the only dead people found to be voting was on the republican ticket? The courts deemed that level of fraud to be not worth pursuing, even the Trump appointed judges. if course, if you know better......
If they want to investigate actual corruption, why not start with the corporate lobbyists essentially owning politicians arses - from both sides. Now that is something that would be worth meaningful investigation and appropriate action to be taken.
You seem to be hell bent on having an election investigated further that 60 judges have deemed to be a pointless exercise. Kinda like your posts in this matter - pointless.
If you want to give a dead duck mouth to mouth, just get on with it. Just don't expect us to agree that the effort is worth it.

[mashman]

You mean the only dead people found to be voting was on the republican ticket? The courts deemed that level of fraud to be not worth pursuing, even the Trump appointed judges. if course, if you know better......
If they want to investigate actual corruption, why not start with the corporate lobbyists essentially owning politicians arses - from both sides. Now that is something that would be worth meaningful investigation and appropriate action to be taken.
You seem to be hell bent on having an election investigated further that 60 judges have deemed to be a pointless exercise. Kinda like your posts in this matter - pointless.
If you want to give a dead duck mouth to mouth, just get on with it. Just don't expect us to agree that the effort is worth it.

If I know better. I can offer proof of knowing differently, but I know that you will not accept that proof... and I'm pretty sure I've already posted it in one of the videos i.e. they found enough dead people, that when combined with other forms of voter fraud, could indeed affect the ouctome of the election. But hey, so few could get close enough to verify ballots in many places, and with voter registration verification databases being somewhat out of date (one of them has 6 million 112 year olds as being known as alive and well), and so on, the options for coordinated, corrupt, fraud is more than simply plausible.

Because the lobbyists don't make the final decision... and why would you shoot the messenger and not the CEO's and think tanks that send the lobbyists in the first place? Typically short sighted, and the reason that you don't care about fraud being found that could have swung the election as being a thing that exists... despite the several thousands of affidavits that exist to the contrary. They're all just dead duck liars eh. Nice one.

[sugilite]

If I know better. I can offer proof of knowing differently, but I know that you will not accept that proof... and I'm pretty sure I've already posted it in one of the videos i.e. they found enough dead people, that when combined with other forms of voter fraud, could indeed affect the ouctome of the election. But hey, so few could get close enough to verify ballots in many places, and with voter registration verification databases being somewhat out of date (one of them has 6 million 112 year olds as being known as alive and well), and so on, the options for coordinated, corrupt, fraud is more than simply plausible.

Because the lobbyists don't make the final decision... and why would you shoot the messenger and not the CEO's and think tanks that send the lobbyists in the first place? Typically short sighted, and the reason that you don't care about fraud being found that could have swung the election as being a thing that exists... despite the several thousands of affidavits that exist to the contrary. They're all just dead duck liars eh. Nice one.

60 judges totally disagree with you on the election front. No such fraud as you mention was presented, likely because the evidence and particularly the affidavits were not reliable, yet alone credible.
As for short sighted, I did not specify any of the scenario you laid out. I was being very broad, investigate it and take steps to fix it. You are the one throwing bullshit words into my mouth. You and TDL got to be related.

[mashman]

60 judges totally disagree with you on the election front. No such fraud as you mention was presented, likely because the evidence and particularly the affidavits were not reliable, yet alone credible.
As for short sighted, I did not specify any of the scenario you laid out. I was being very broad, investigate it and take steps to fix it. You are the one throwing bullshit words into my mouth. You and TDL got to be related.

They did, and many used exceptionally trite reasoning. As with the suitcases, there was an explanation for a great many things and likely most of those cases were tossed on those merits. However those that are based on the data have not been clarified, not even remotely. The numbers didn't add up, something that was never denied, only ignored. Kind of important in many ways, but hey, not inconvenient enough to bring democracy to a halt (make no mistake, many a bottle went on that road for that reason)? As you say, and as I have already stated, the caughts, accused of corruption, said no... a corruption that we all know exists, but somehow "half" of us choose to conveniently ignore in this case coz TDS. Poetic in ways.

"If they want to investigate actual corruption, why not start with the corporate lobbyists essentially owning politicians arses" = shooting the messenger. No TDL action... just a straight up matter of fact. You do seem hell bent on not holding back on ye olde TDL action yerself: Oh I meant it very broadly, wah wah wah, stop putting words in my mouth wah wah wah... well, I didn't, they were your words, you simply translated what I had written poorly... but that is par for the course. Love your projection, keep it coming, you feel like you're making a breakthrough :killingme

[pritch]

Of course there was fraud. What was disputed was whether the levels found were enough to justify preventing certification. The caughts said not enough. Hard to get these things correct with your TDS displays.

Bollocks!

Pennsylvania confirmed dead people had voted. Three of them, and they all voted for Trump.

IIRC Georgia found that a couple of people had voted twice - for Trump.

There is a difference between fantasy and reality. You really should try and figure it out.

By the way, you seem to have missed the memo. TDS is dead. We were right all along, the MAGAts were full of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV-92HMNGuY&t=96s

[sugilite]

They did, and many used exceptionally trite reasoning. As with the suitcases, there was an explanation for a great many things and likely most of those cases were tossed on those merits. However those that are based on the data have not been clarified, not even remotely. The numbers didn't add up, something that was never denied, only ignored. Kind of important in many ways, but hey, not inconvenient enough to bring democracy to a halt (make no mistake, many a bottle went on that road for that reason)? As you say, and as I have already stated, the caughts, accused of corruption, said no... a corruption that we all know exists, but somehow "half" of us choose to conveniently ignore in this case coz TDS. Poetic in ways.

"If they want to investigate actual corruption, why not start with the corporate lobbyists essentially owning politicians arses" = shooting the messenger. No TDL action... just a straight up matter of fact. You do seem hell bent on not holding back on ye olde TDL action yerself: Oh I meant it very broadly, wah wah wah, stop putting words in my mouth wah wah wah... well, I didn't, they were your words, you simply translated what I had written poorly... but that is par for the course. Love your projection, keep it coming, you feel like you're making a breakthrough :killingme
Meh, I won't continue to waste my time on a failed small time polly from NZ who is balls deep in conspiracy theories. Keep trying to resuscitate that dead duck dickhead.

[pritch]

Man! He's been smoking some heavy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFADopBnb_U

[SaferRides]

If I know better. I can offer proof of knowing differently, but I know that you will not accept that proof... and I'm pretty sure I've already posted it in one of the videos i.e. they found enough dead people, that when combined with other forms of voter fraud, could indeed affect the ouctome of the election. But hey, so few could get close enough to verify ballots in many places, and with voter registration verification databases being somewhat out of date (one of them has 6 million 112 year olds as being known as alive and well), and so on, the options for coordinated, corrupt, fraud is more than simply plausible.
.
It's all BS and has been refuted. Even the states with Republican governments and officials couldn't find anything. Georgia did 3 recounts, and eventually found a way to check signature verification. They found nothing, because there was nothing to find. Have a look at their election procedures, and tell us how you could fake or alter tens of thousands of votes and no one would notice.

And then there was Arizona, who made postal voting so difficult it could be considered vote suppression.

Apparently that Gabriel guy from Georgia made a video refuting every point that Trump made in his phone call to Rafensperger. Might be worth a look.

[SaferRides]

Man! He's been smoking some heavy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFADopBnb_USomeone else wrote that!

I expect it's been strongly suggested that he pull his head in unless he wants to move to Mar-a-Lago before the 20th.

[george formby]

Man! He's been smoking some heavy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFADopBnb_U

Are my glasses dirty or is he trying really hard not to squirm?

[pete376403]

Life imitates art. Simpson Halloween episode screened November 1st, 2020

[R650R]

Life imitates art. Simpson Halloween episode screened November 1st, 2020

There’s a heap of videos out there where Simpson’s clearly display insider knowledge of future conspiracy’s

[R650R]

In this video about 1m30 in two side by side crystal clear pics of a blm antifa protestor who was at the capital protest...,

Then clear video of a cop waving antifa in towards the building....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlKl_-bk1E&feature=youtu.be

[pritch]

In this video about 1m30 in two side by side crystal clear pics of a blm antifa protestor who was at the capital protest...,


That clip should have started, "Once upon a time..." It's a total fairy tale. Take some deep state add a BLM throw in a bit of Antifa and nekminit you've got a YouTube conspiracy clip for the hard of thinking.


I don't think Trump would like an Iraqi jail.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/world/iraq-arrest-warrant-trump-al-muhandis-intl/index.html

[george formby]

Boxing gloves?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-capitol-riots-footage-of-the-trumps-celebrating-at-rally-before-riots/WDTEATXIWNCCAQ52YPXGMHFMPI/


It's like seeing titties on the beach, I can't look away.

[pritch]

It's like seeing titties on the beach, I can't look away.

Excellent. I've been seeing that on Twitter but couldn't find it on YouTube to post it here. Right at the end several references to fighting. But now it's, Oh we didn't want violence.

Still, nice to have a catered marquee to watch the rioting from doncha think?


Did find this though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpIlOGbLO8

[pritch]

Things are happening quickly now. Following the resignation of cabinet member Elaine Chao (Mrs Mitch McConnell) earlier, Betsy DeVoss Secretary of Education, has just resigned from Cabinet. They were both appointed to cabinet at the beginning of Trump's 'reign'.

[F5 Dave]

You're right, you couldn't and there are a great many reasons for that that are inherently irrelevant.



Nope.



Not as stupid as you obviously.



AhhDuhh.
Are you 10? Thats the equivalent to

Well no You are
No You are
Am not. You are.


Anyway I'm bored of your totally dopey posts. Time for Ignore Mashy.

[F5 Dave]

Cheers thanks for quoting that out of contex.....

There isn't a context that makes it any less telling.

Homework: Go ahead, write any other words before or after and use that phrase somewhere but try make it sound like a reasonable statement.

[R650R]

There isn't a context that makes it any less telling.

Homework: Go ahead, write any other words before or after and use that phrase somewhere but try make it sound like a reasonable statement.

Well we started off wrong, the word superior is an obvious trigger and people will interpret so many things that arenÂ’t there just from the word...

Each race is different due to where they first originated and what circumstances they evolved under.
Eg people of English decent might have an INherent t better ability with written language as they e been around it generations longer. This has obvious flow on effects in education and perhaps understanding of rules and laws.
Maori in general might have better hand eye coordination as very recently in their history the ability to hunt animals with bare hands really was a matter of life a d death.
A teacher in Gisborne tailored his English classes around a physical game instead of traditional teaching methods and his kids excelled from it.
In America the blacks dominate basketball because the slave traders only bought fit strong workers filtering out the weak.
Circumstances of history have conspired to make us all different and have different strengths and weaknesses. Although the left dreams of a melting pot utopia where we are all equal in everything itÂ’s just not natural.
As Jordan Peterson expertly says, if you canÂ’t have equality in the family unit how do you expect to have equality of outcome in society. On this point he articulates the first born child gets more attention and education, nutrition from parents and in a very higher percentage outperforms the other siblings. The case in point is nearly all the NASA astronauts were first born children, and that has to be one of the toughest selection criteriaÂ’s anyone has been tested against...

[husaberg]

As Jordan Peterson expertly says, ..

Is that the same Jordan Petterson who his supporters hold him up as a leading right wing proponent of free speech.
Yet in June 2018 he filed a $1.5-million dollar lawsuit against Wilfrid Laurier University, arguing that three staff members of the university had maliciously defamed him by making negative comments about him behind closed doors.

The same dude who in 2016 described Trump as a moderate?
the same dude who didn't want laws passed that would no longer allow people to be discriminated against based on gender race or sexuality?
That same person who endorse women being forced to remain married to people.
the same dude that sounds remarkably like kermit the frog.

[HenryDorsetCase]

As Jordan Peterson expertly says

there's your problem you fascist apologist. Seeing it yet?

How about now?

Now?

[sugilite]

Sheesh, this is tough, all the prick Hawley did was try to cancel democracy :laugh:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/josh-hawley-simon-shuster-woke-mob-tyranny-of-big-tech

Oh dear, looks like the turd might have realized he finally went to far - back pedal warp speed captain! :niceone:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-drops-georgia-lawsuit-overturn-biden-win

Some crafty bastard has been hiding Pompeos foreign newspaper reports :lol:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pompeo-says-capitol-riots-have-not-turned-u-s-into-banana-republic

At Trumps "fuck democracy" rally - he told his supporters to march to the capitol buildings, stating he would be right there with them. Guess his bonez spurs must have kicked in again. Or he played his supporters for the patsies they are. :yes:

Rumor has it that TDL was found hunkering in trumps bunker :devil2:

[pritch]

Eg people of English decent might have an INherent t better ability with written language as they e been around it generations longer. This has obvious flow on effects in education and perhaps understanding of rules and laws.

People of English descent, having the benefit of this "obvious flow on effect" should at least be able to spell 'descent' decently.:whistle: Among other things...



Maori in general might have better hand eye coordination as very recently in their history the ability to hunt animals with bare hands really was a matter of life a d death.


That'll be why there are so many world famous Maori badminton, squash, tennis, table tennis, and cricket players. Or perhaps not?



In America the blacks dominate basketball because the slave traders only bought fit strong workers filtering out the weak.

The fact that they have more fast twitch muscle fibres, and the few that make it in the NBL tend to be seven feet tall is irrelevant of course.



As Jordan Peterson expertly says,

Jordan Peterson's early supporters have withdrawn their premature support. His expertise is ummm tarnished.



Why don't you tell us about your motorbike? It's just possible you may know something about that. No guarantees of course.

[F5 Dave]

Well we started off wrong, the word superior is an obvious trigger and people will interpret so many things that arenÂ’t there just from the word...

Each race is different due to where they first originated and what circumstances they evolved under.
Eg people of English decent might have an INherent t better ability with written language as they e been around it generations longer. This has obvious flow on effects in education and perhaps understanding of rules and laws.
Maori in general might have better hand eye coordination as very recently in their history the ability to hunt animals with bare hands really was a matter of life a d death.
A teacher in Gisborne tailored his English classes around a physical game instead of traditional teaching methods and his kids excelled from it.
In America the blacks dominate basketball because the slave traders only bought fit strong workers filtering out the weak.
Circumstances of history have conspired to make us all different and have different strengths and weaknesses. Although the left dreams of a melting pot utopia where we are all equal in everything itÂ’s just not natural.
As Jordan Peterson expertly says, if you canÂ’t have equality in the family unit how do you expect to have equality of outcome in society. On this point he articulates the first born child gets more attention and education, nutrition from parents and in a very higher percentage outperforms the other siblings. The case in point is nearly all the NASA astronauts were first born children, and that has to be one of the toughest selection criteriaÂ’s anyone has been tested against...
Ok so I don't know who Preston is but maybe that is a more measured response than I was expecting. I don't agree with everything you have said, but I think that maybe we all need to understand rather than react.

As I've got older I've got more opinionated but then tried to wind that back to try actually see things from other people's eyes. And I am no lefty believe me.

[R650R]

Trump signs deal with HBO for new reality TV show.

Unnamed sources today leaked a desk about Trumps exit strategy that ties in his 2024 re-election bid.
“VOTED” will actively involve the audience in a follow on to the highly acclaimed apprentice tv series. Trumps main impetus in devolving the show was to establish a new fraud proof electronic phone based voting system.
Audience members would register online with suitable ID then electronically vote on every episode.
But the significant game changer of this series is it no longer promotes business ideas.
Each episode will pitch Democrat, Republican and Independant platform aspiring politicians against each other in a hardcore battle of the minds and ideology.
Every week the show will test the pulse of the nation in real time to current political issues.
The blockbuster first episode will see Arnold Swarzneggar, Ellen Degenerate and Rudy Giuliani go head to head in an epic showdown of morals vision and courage.
Rockstar fast talking political expert Kaley McKaneny will MC each episode while Trump will act as moderator and mentor to the shows guests.
As well as political debate skills the show will also feature a real world survivor island aspect where contestants will participate in real world survival activities such as hunting, food prep, car repair and diy construction skills. There was going to be a fire lighting aspect but it was felt Democrat candidates would have an unfair advantage.
Also of significance is a feature called Cold Call. A buzzer will randomly ring and candidates will have to perform a five minute speech without an auto que device.

[R650R]

Ok so I don't know who Preston is but maybe that is a more measured response than I was expecting. I don't agree with everything you have said, but I think that maybe we all need to understand rather than react.

As I've got older I've got more opinionated but then tried to wind that back to try actually see things from other people's eyes. And I am no lefty believe me.

Fair enough. Google his name on YouTube. There’s plenty of short versions of his vids where he breaks down some of the constructs we are fed. He’s got a pretty good handle on the basics of human nature and interaction. It’s not all political just that’s been easy material in recent times.

Yes there’s a lot of reaction happening alright, but that’s part of the whole controlled left-right paradigm where people invest themselves emotionally and never accept the other side might have a good idea or two...

[SaferRides]

Well we started off wrong, the word superior is an obvious trigger and people will interpret so many things that arenÂ’t there just from the word...

Each race is different due to where they first originated and what circumstances they evolved under.
Eg people of English decent might have an INherent t better ability with written language as they e been around it generations longer. This has obvious flow on effects in education and perhaps understanding of rules and laws.
Maori in general might have better hand eye coordination as very recently in their history the ability to hunt animals with bare hands really was a matter of life a d death.
A teacher in Gisborne tailored his English classes around a physical game instead of traditional teaching methods and his kids excelled from it.
In America the blacks dominate basketball because the slave traders only bought fit strong workers filtering out the weak.
Circumstances of history have conspired to make us all different and have different strengths and weaknesses. Although the left dreams of a melting pot utopia where we are all equal in everything itÂ’s just not natural.
As Jordan Peterson expertly says, if you canÂ’t have equality in the family unit how do you expect to have equality of outcome in society. On this point he articulates the first born child gets more attention and education, nutrition from parents and in a very higher percentage outperforms the other siblings. The case in point is nearly all the NASA astronauts were first born children, and that has to be one of the toughest selection criteriaÂ’s anyone has been tested against...Surely you're just trying to wind us up? You don't really believe any of that, do you?

[mashman]

Are you 10? Thats the equivalent to

Anyway I'm bored of your totally dopey posts. Time for Ignore Mashy.

Nope. But you clearly read me as if I Am. I'd say there's your problem, but I realise that the problem's all mine. Thanks for pointing it out.

[mashman]

Meh, I won't continue to waste my time on a failed small time polly from NZ who is balls deep in conspiracy theories. Keep trying to resuscitate that dead duck dickhead.

lol... I haven't been trying to resuscitate anything. You are welcome to your TDS bruv.

[mashman]

It's all BS and has been refuted. Even the states with Republican governments and officials couldn't find anything. Georgia did 3 recounts, and eventually found a way to check signature verification. They found nothing, because there was nothing to find. Have a look at their election procedures, and tell us how you could fake or alter tens of thousands of votes and no one would notice.

And then there was Arizona, who made postal voting so difficult it could be considered vote suppression.

Apparently that Gabriel guy from Georgia made a video refuting every point that Trump made in his phone call to Rafensperger. Might be worth a look.

Yes, most of it was, I have stated that in a few places along the way. However, they did find fraud, just not enough to please the caughts. As such, not ALL of that BS was heard and investigated appropriately. Barr stated it himself, paraphrased, but he stated that fraud does and has taken place at some level in every election (partisans do the strangest things). To date though, clearly not enough, in any U.S. election, to justify turning the country upside down for. And fair enough... but not everyone is going to be happy with, election changing level, fraud attached to a Deep State being allowed to continue as the norm. Meh.

[SaferRides]

... but not everyone is going to be happy with, election changing level, fraud attached to a Deep State being allowed to continue as the norm. Meh.
Yes, and that is the problem. If you look at the potential for fraud rationally, then it would be very difficult to carry it out on the scale required. But if you believe in the Deep State or QAnon, then that overcomes the how problem because you don't have to think about it.

I don't see where the US goes from here. Although some senior Republicans have now pushed back on Trumpism, tens of millions of True Believers will continue to follow him. There could still be worse to come.

[pritch]

The gent pictured reclining in a chair with his feet up on the desk in Pelosi’s office has made it home to Arkansas from his trip away to DC. CNN have just reported that he has been arrested.

[mashman]

Yes, and that is the problem. If you look at the potential for fraud rationally, then it would be very difficult to carry it out on the scale required. But if you believe in the Deep State or QAnon, then that overcomes the how problem because you don't have to think about it.

I don't see where the US goes from here. Although some senior Republicans have now pushed back on Trumpism, tens of millions of True Believers will continue to follow him. There could still be worse to come.

Of course you have to think about it... unless someone on the internet tells you that you haven't. And conversely, people won't hear a bar of anything where one does not accept that a Deep State exists despite the evidence strewn across history to the contrary.

Support for draining the Swamp is a very very old thing, coz people have been fed up with it across centuries. Is Biden a 'Great Reset' fan?... if so, we might all be in for change that some would consider worse.

[SaferRides]

The gent pictured reclining in a chair with his feet up on the desk in Pelosi’s office has made it home to Arkansas from his trip away to DC. CNN have just reported that he has been arrested.Quite a few have been told not to come back to work. From their occupations, including lawyers and a Republican politician, they're not exactly a "bunch of thugs".

[sugilite]

lol... I haven't been trying to resuscitate anything.
Barring your failed political career :sunny:

[pritch]

Quite a few have been told not to come back to work. From their occupations, including lawyers and a Republican politician, they're not exactly a "bunch of thugs".

They were behaving like thugs and the courts should treat them appropriately. The Republican politician has been charged.

There were reportedly also police and military among the rioters, taking an active part. The initial law enforcment resonse seemed very slow, but things are cranking up massively now.

The Justice Dept have stated that there is no evidence of Antifa involvement. (As if...)

One of the injured Capitol cops has died of his injuries which will ramp up the seriousness of events. When people were toppling statues of confederate generals a year or two back, Trump signed an executive order making damage to public property (however that was worded) punishable by a mandatory ten years jail. That could bite these turkeys on the arse.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/west-virginia-lawmaker-charged-capitol-riots-derrick-evans_n_5ff8a2e8c5b6567198856eaf

[nerrrd]

While a nationwide review of the electoral process probably wouldn’t hurt, good luck getting all 50 individual states to agree to giving away the right to run their own.

And any federal oversight organisation they might create will just be dismissed as another organ of the ‘Deep State’, whatever that is.

There is no perfect system, demanding there be no margin for error in anything done by humans is unrealistic.

And frankly, however transparent any election might be made to be, I’m not convinced President Trump would accept any result that wasn’t a win for him.

[pritch]

Sidney needs a real lawyer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dominion-sues-pro-trump-lawyer-sidney-powell-seeking-more-than-13-billion/2021/01/08/ebe5dbe0-5106-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html

[pritch]

Several sources report the Democrats are drafting articles of impeachment. It seems Trump may well create history, if not exactly how he intended: First president to be impeached twice.

[mashman]

Barring your failed political career :sunny:

Yeah, I was robbed, I didn't fail :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

Sen. Kelly Loeffler GA
Loeffler rescinded her objection to the certification of electors after protestors interrupted debate, saying "the events that have transpired today have forced me to reconsider, and I cannot now in good conscience object to the certification of these electors."

[F5 Dave]

Bit dodgy eh?
Look what you started?

[pritch]

Twitter have announced the permanent ban of a number of accounts which have consistently been promoting false information. General Flynn and Sidney Powell as well as some prominent followers of QAnon, but the most notable account to be banned is that of Donald J Trump.

The official White House account is still open but there's been nothing posted since the 7th.

[george formby]

https://pics.me.me/thumb_l-no-longer-craziest-leader-lol-20-brutally-hilarious-memes-51202383.png


Chortle, brutal.

[Viking01]

It's been interesting reading accounts from various news sources about the raid on the US Capitol building in Washington, DC.

But I can't help feeling that this was all a "staged event", in respect that certain actors from within the US political / business / military environments allowed Don just enough rope for him to not only politically "hang himself" (figuratively speaking) - but to justify further legislative change.

Knowing that Don could not resist initiating such an event, and that some of his followers would be only too willing to respond and participate. A little collateral damage to the Capitol building could be easily repaired. I mean, this whole episode was hardly at the level of say the Oklahoma bombing.

What did intrigue me was Biden's choice of the words "domestic terrorists" in his address that followed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

After 911, barely six weeks later, the 300+ page Patriot Act (which involved the granting of new administrative legal powers in respect of actions by foreign actors) came into being. Amazing not only that it was written in such a short time frame, but that it also successfully navigated all the Houses and came into law within that period as well.

Some have even said that the Patriot Act had already been written, and was just awaiting the right trigger (event) to justify its coming into being. An argument that I'm not really interested in debating.

But I do now wait with interest to see if a corresponding "Domestic Terrorist" Act (Patriot Act 2 ?) now comes into being, and within a similarly short time-frame.

Why ? Because after doing several quick Google searches (in response to Biden's words), the words "domestic terrorist" turned up several recent articles seemingly calling out the "apparent need" for such a Bill.

Not only stated by Biden himself (as recently as November 2020):

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-urged-to-take-fresh-look-at-domestic-terrorism-11605279834

But also by a range of various online publications e.g. Washington Post, Vox, Mother Jones, just to name a few that I noted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/01/07/domestic-terrorism-capitol-mob/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22219233/us-capitol-attack-domestic-terrorism-definition
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/biden-wants-to-fight-domestic-terrorism-heres-how-he-can-do-it/

Even the CFR got involved: https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/domestic-terrorism-strikes-us-capitol-and-democracy

I would have thought that the challenges of (i) Covid infection (ii) Vaccine production and national distribution (iii) economic recovery (iv) housing and employment situation would have been more than sufficient to keep the new Democrat administration busy for the next 12 months at least.

But I will watch and wait the possible appearance of a "Domestic Terrorism" Bill.

As for the Democrats choosing to (i) pursue impeachment (again) (ii) invoke the 25th Amendment (since they now control the Senate) - all while Don has only two weeks left to serve, well, I'm still laughing at the suggestions.

[R650R]

https://pics.me.me/thumb_l-no-longer-craziest-leader-lol-20-brutally-hilarious-memes-51202383.png


Chortle, brutal.

That is funny but ironic too that now in the west we have Nth Korean style censorship... but what’s worse is it’s a private entity...
Funny how the left despises this the free market and capitalism but it embraces a mega giant platform like twitter to do its dirty work...
Oh well I guess the ends justified the means if the end goal is a Chinese style social media rating to determine your access to society...

[husaberg]

That is funny but ironic too that now in the west we have Nth Korean style censorship... but what’s worse is it’s a private entity...
Funny how the left despises this the free market and capitalism but it embraces a mega giant platform like twitter to do its dirty work...
Oh well I guess the ends justified the means if the end goal is a Chinese style social media rating to determine your access to society...

Really north Korea and russia and China journalists are prevented from posting true factual information
Trump and his supporters are being currently prevented from posting demonstrably false and misleading information.
Its rather telling that you can't tell the difference.

Private entities such as Twitter and Facebook can decide what is on their platforms as they are privately owned that their right.
what's odd is do you criticize the Russian media and election system.

[R650R]

Breaking news

Reports are coming in of major civil unrest in Bananastan.
Many people in Bananastan felt there were problems with recent elections and a small group of protestors stormed a govt building.
The building is no stranger to invasion having been site of major protest at the appointment of a court judge Kavanah who was subject to false rape allegations. A time the time national media even
Encouraged the protests.
The current sitting president of Bananastan has had his electronic communications severed by a biased private company.
President Biden says Merica.cant stand by while democracy is threatened and has deployed the USS Nimitz carrier battle group to the region to restore democracy.
Bananastan has significant military capability but Biden says they will carpet bomb with ZB52 bombers and paratroop will land and secure control until fresh elections can be held.
Biden promises to Build Bananastan back better after its all over and promises not to seize Bananastans significant oil reserves.
Satellite images show caravans of political refugees fleeing already across wide open borders to mexistan and canadastan.
ItÂ’s expected the president of Banastan will flee to a much safer freer country like China.

[pritch]

That is funny but ironic too that now in the west we have Nth Korean style censorship... but what’s worse is it’s a private entity...
Funny how the left despises this the free market and capitalism but it embraces a mega giant platform like twitter to do its dirty work...
Oh well I guess the ends justified the means if the end goal is a Chinese style social media rating to determine your access to society...

Anybody can say anything they like - within reason. Nobody has to listen, nobody has to provide a soap box.

In this instance some people have not stayed "within reason." Recent events indicate their consistent misinformation is dangerous.
The owner took his soap box back. No problem.

[husaberg]

Anybody can say anything they like - within reason. Nobody has to listen, nobody has to provide a soap box.

In this instance some people have not stayed "within reason." Recent events indicate their consistent misinformation is dangerous.
The owner took his soap box back. No problem.

Not only that as the President of the usa he can hold a press conference and the reporters will film what he says and report it to word for word
Of course he doesn't want to do that, as he would also be asked questions that he doesn't want to answer.
The US president is a coward.

[Laava]

That is funny but ironic too that now in the west we have Nth Korean style censorship... but what’s worse is it’s a private entity...
Funny how the left despises this the free market and capitalism but it embraces a mega giant platform like twitter to do its dirty work...
Oh well I guess the ends justified the means if the end goal is a Chinese style social media rating to determine your access to society...
You seem like a smart guy but how have you misunderstood this situation so badly? Twitter is merely a school chalkboard for someones thoughts. In no way is it a news platform or a place to post factual information political or otherwise. In Trumps case, it has been used by the general population of the world to see what a fucked up cunt he really is. That has now culminated in his ban from the class chalkboard for swearing too much. He has been sent to the headmaster. Hope he gets six of the best!

[R650R]

You seem like a smart guy but how have you misunderstood this situation so badly? Twitter is merely a school chalkboard for someones thoughts. In no way is it a news platform or a place to post factual information political or otherwise. In Trumps case, it has been used by the general population of the world to see what a fucked up cunt he really is. That has now culminated in his ban from the class chalkboard for swearing too much. He has been sent to the headmaster. Hope he gets six of the best!

I agree with what you and pritch are saying...

The problem is despite twitter not being used by much of the general population the mainstream media presents twitter as the medium of expression for what’s happening right now that’s important.
For someone whose operations have communication with general public as a core need as vital as water or electricity it’s bit right to cut off the fastest tool available.
Yes he can do press conferences but the media often cherry pick those to distort...

Just imagine if in the heydays of John Key if twitter had blanked out Jacinda mania from twitter and said oh no she’s nonsense.

What happened to the lefts idealism of equality for all or is that just a selective illusion?

[Laava]

Re the Jacinda thing, I am unaware of that as I do not follow social media for anything important in fact restricted to immediate family. So I only see the shitstorms brewing on the news or on forums. TBH, Twitter has done the world a favour banning this clown and should have done it a long time ago. For no other reason than to stop people relying on twitter for forming their opinions.

[husaberg]

Re the Jacinda thing, I am unaware of that as I do not follow social media for anything important in fact restricted to immediate family. So I only see the shitstorms brewing on the news or on forums. TBH, Twitter has done the world a favour banning this clown and should have done it a long time ago. For no other reason than to stop people relying on twitter for forming their opinions.
The point he is trying to make is what if they had of banned her from twitter.... well the real point that he misses is why would have? she wasn't inciting violence or spreading lies, they would need a reason the reason to ban her based on theor own rules they didnt ban her or others as they had no reason to. In the case of Trump as you said, they had ample reasons to ban him.

[pritch]

I
Yes he can do press conferences but the media often cherry pick those to distort...


Some would say that's the opposite of what happened. Some journalists complained that if the press printed everything Trump said, it would quickly become apparent that he is a mental case, but the press would be accused of bias. So the press left out the weirdest stuff with the result Trump looked almost sane. A misleading impression. The press conference when he babbled about disinfectant and strong light curing Covid should have been a hint for anyone who hadn't already guessed, he's as dumb as a box of rocks. And no I'm not confusing ignorance with mental conditions, they are not mutually exclusive.

A lot of the current problems with coverage in the US can be attributed to President Reagan. There was a law requiring fairness in broadcasting but Reagan repealed it. Subsequently FOX, and more recently OAN, NewsMax, Sinclair, and all, can and do, broadcast all manner of fiction as fact. Maybe Biden should bring back whatever law Reagan ditched.

[Grumph]

Some would say that's the opposite of what happened. Some journalists complained that if the press printed everything Trump said, it would quickly become apparent that he is a mental case, but the press would be accused of bias. So the press left out the weirdest stuff with the result Trump looked almost sane. A misleading impression. The press conference when he babbled about disinfectant and strong light curing Covid should have been a hint for anyone who hadn't already guessed, he's as dumb as a box of rocks. And no I'm not confusing ignorance with mental conditions, they are not mutually exclusive.
.

There's a very good Aussie political journo called Katherine Murphy who works for the Guardian Oz. Couple of years back she was in the entourage when ScoMo met Trump.
She wrote a very good piece on watching the stream of conciousness babble that came out of Trump - and the media's problems boiling it down to something which made sense and was publishable...
Her comment was basically as you say - if the press told the truth they'd have been attacked.

[F5 Dave]

It's been interesting reading accounts from various news sources about the raid on the US Capitol building in Washington, DC.

But I can't help feeling that this was all a "staged event", in respect that certain actors from within the US political / business / military environments allowed Don just enough rope for him to not only politically "hang himself" (figuratively speaking) - but to justify further legislative change.

Knowing that Don could not resist initiating such an event, and that some of his followers would be only too willing to respond and participate. A little collateral damage to the Capitol building could be easily repaired. I mean, this whole episode was hardly at the level of say the Oklahoma bombing.

What did intrigue me was Biden's choice of the words "domestic terrorists" in his address that followed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

After 911, barely six weeks later, the 300+ page Patriot Act (which involved the granting of new administrative legal powers in respect of actions by foreign actors) came into being. Amazing not only that it was written in such a short time frame, but that it also successfully navigated all the Houses and came into law within that period as well.

Some have even said that the Patriot Act had already been written, and was just awaiting the right trigger (event) to justify its coming into being. An argument that I'm not really interested in debating.

But I do now wait with interest to see if a corresponding "Domestic Terrorist" Act (Patriot Act 2 ?) now comes into being, and within a similarly short time-frame.

Why ? Because after doing several quick Google searches (in response to Biden's words), the words "domestic terrorist" turned up several recent articles seemingly calling out the "apparent need" for such a Bill.

Not only stated by Biden himself (as recently as November 2020):

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-urged-to-take-fresh-look-at-domestic-terrorism-11605279834

But also by a range of various online publications e.g. Washington Post, Vox, Mother Jones, just to name a few that I noted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/01/07/domestic-terrorism-capitol-mob/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22219233/us-capitol-attack-domestic-terrorism-definition
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/biden-wants-to-fight-domestic-terrorism-heres-how-he-can-do-it/

Even the CFR got involved: https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/domestic-terrorism-strikes-us-capitol-and-democracy

I would have thought that the challenges of (i) Covid infection (ii) Vaccine production and national distribution (iii) economic recovery (iv) housing and employment situation would have been more than sufficient to keep the new Democrat administration busy for the next 12 months at least.

But I will watch and wait the possible appearance of a "Domestic Terrorism" Bill.

As for the Democrats choosing to (i) pursue impeachment (again) (ii) invoke the 25th Amendment (since they now control the Senate) - all while Don has only two weeks left to serve, well, I'm still laughing at the suggestions.

Jesus titty fucking christ. Who do you think is staging this?!?. Do you realise that the Democrats are not in power? What fucking crazy world does your head live in?


Ok I'll type this slowly.

Trump and whatever is left of the Republican party after he routed it have been in power for the last 4 years. Does that register?

There are no Jews or shape shifting lizard people who are really pulling the strings.

[ Edit] although that would be a favourable position.

[pritch]

I haven't had a proper look yet today but there are arrests happening across the USA. These arseholes don't look anywhere near as cocky in their mugshots. The guy carrying the plastic handcuffs would have been difficult to identify, he was also wearing a mask. I thought it likely he was law inforcement as his gear was good and was worn correctly. He had no official insignia but he did wear a badge, a map of Pannsylvania with a thin blue line through the middle which hinted at police from that state. But no, he's a barman and an air force veteran.

His gear is all too good actually; too top end to be common. His clothes are in an unusual colour, and that with their 'exclusivity' is what resulted in his identification and arrest.

Buffalo man has been busted too. Clever pic.

[george formby]

I'm reading that some of those arrested are claiming that they only did what the President told them too, in defense. Fair call, really.

Kinda opens up an interesting can of legal worms.

[sugilite]

I cannot help thinking that they may of been better to hold off naming and arresting them for two weeks in case one or two of them are flush enough to buy a pardon from Trump.

[husaberg]

I cannot help thinking that they may of been better to hold off naming and arresting them for two weeks in case one or two of them are flush enough to buy a pardon from Trump.

Even by the own low Standards his supporters and excuse-makers hold Trump accountable to. It might not be the best call for a republican leader to pardon a mob of people that broke into a govt building past barriers and bludgeoned a policeman to death.
We are the replication party law and order, but it's okay to beat a policeman to death. This doesn't seem like a statement that will get people elected.

[pritch]

The death toll from Trump's attempted coup stands at five. That's more than at the embassy at Benghazi which lead to tens of millions worth of multiple congressional inquiries and Secretary Clinton being grilled for eleven hours.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the Republicans to demand hearings into this fiasco.

[R650R]

Being grilled for 11 hours in an office environment was prob lot nicer than being under fire for 13 hours... Maybe if she hadn’t deleted all those emails stored on private servers....

It seems one of the heroes on the ground disagrees with you and he’s prob constrained in what he really can reveal...

https://youtu.be/hyD2yxzJIhg

Highly recommend the movie btw it’s great

[husaberg]

Being grilled for 11 hours in an office environment was prob lot nicer than being under fire for 13 hours... Maybe if she hadn’t deleted all those emails stored on private servers....

It seems one of the heroes on the ground disagrees with you and he’s prob constrained in what he really can reveal...

https://youtu.be/hyD2yxzJIhg

Highly recommend the movie btw it’s great

Trumps team has been investigated and found to be guilty. Despite him refusing to cooperate and interfering with the process
Clinton was investigated and found to be not guilty and co-operated fully with the investigations
Can you not tell the difference. Or is the truth of the matter inconvenient for your latest conspiracy.

I havent seen this posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwLSKU0cz5o

[pritch]

It seems one of the heroes on the ground disagrees with you and he’s prob constrained in what he really can reveal...


Ummm, I watched your link, I don't think he disagrees with anything I wrote.

I note they mentioned McFaul in that interview. Shortly after Trump became president Putin asked him to hand over the former US Ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul. Trump was seriously considering obliging Putin - of course. The various professionals educated him about that. Nobody hands over ambassadors to foreign governments.

McFaul is active on social media and I sometimes quote him to Twitter trolls. "полная ерунда."

[SaferRides]

So Trump sends a mob to break into the Capitol, and while that's going on, Giuliani is calling Republican senators to get them to object to election results!

It's not hard to see why some Republican politicians have gone off Trump.