Trump - 4 more years of this at least... [Archive] - Page 19

TheDemonLord

8th November 2022, 14:57

That is 10 investigations into the exact same thing :lol:
Most of the investigations into trump are warrented, more on that later.

I'm sure if I was to look into the detail of each investigation, then we would see each one was focused on a different aspect - but let's presume that it was 10 investigations about the exact same thing:

On the base facts, what Hillary did with her email server was worse than what Trump has done at Mar-A-Lago:

1: It deliberately bypassed corporate security policy
2: When subpeoned, the data was mysteriously 'lost'

Ahem, trump taking home classified documents after getting sacked from the job?

You mean "Issuing a Memo that he's taking home a number of boxes and declassifying them as was his right as President up until the inauguration", that the FBI knew about, asked him to put a lock on the door and await for further instruction?

Bit of a different story.

A great example of your chicanery. I talk about republicans having to embrace the big lie to get an endorsement, and you pivot to what im guessing is the Republican lot that honorably voted for impeachment? You have no answer, so change the question and answer that. Very magat.

See, if the voters were as concerned as you are about it, then surely they would reject the candidates that Trump endorsed and the ones who, according to you, participated in 'the big lie'

Yet, they have not. Whether the entire Republican voterbase believes the election was outright rigged or they are merely skeptical of some of the abnormalities - the voters are clearly not as invested.

I'm pointing to the impeachment as an example of the voters making their thoughts and feelings known at the ballot box for they think of the RINOs that betrayed their party.

The dem voters are already so dissolutioned, their voting numbers are already lower than usual for the mid terms. So your assertions are already skewed. 50 failed court cases and such things as tbe magat besed arizona investigations actually finding more votes for Biden only points to your big black mark being the big arse partisan eyepatch covering not just your eye, but a large part of your brain too.

Why are they disillusioned? Surely Biden has been the best President ever?

I can tell you why they are disillusioned: The absolute failure of Biden is proving to them that Trump wasn't that bad. That their lives were better under Trump and they cannot bear to admit that to themselves.

They are disillusioned, because the ideological cows have come home to roost and the wider public is pushing back on it - they know they are about to pay for their metaphorical crimes against the country and all that power and influence is about to be yeeted away from them.

And I cannot wait.

As for the court cases - Again, I've acknowledged that I cannot meet the 'beyond all reasonable doubt' burden of proof to win a court case. As a single example - you want me to believe that Joe Biden got a greater share of the Black vote than the first Black president of the US... Seems Legit.

I mean, that would make a great Tui ad....

Now, more to all the investigations into trump. Being bought up by a white surpremisist father with no shortage of dodgyness, means trump is pretty much preprogrammed to dishonesty.

The only 'evidence' that Fred Trump was a white supremecist was him being arrested at a KKK rally... in the 1920s the details do not confirm whether he was there as part of the Klan.

Even then - the 1920s, I think there is a 'Man of the times' defence here. Not saying it's right - only that the Klan in the 1920s was much more... 'Socially acceptable' than in later years. Again, to be clear - Klan is bad and was always bad.

There's no other solid evidence that he was a White Supremacist. He even changed his Moustache style because the one he favored was worn by one Adolf...

His ex fixer lawyer detailed in depth how trump was schooled by one particular dodgy lawyer known to be one of the slipery operators ever (name escapes me now) into all the ways of disposing of dirty evidence and setting up lackies to take the fall. As per half his campaign team ending up in jail during the course of an investigation that you have been desperately trying to sell us as being a witch hunt.

Considering the impetus for the investigation was a lie, I'm more than happy to say 'Fruit of the Rotten tree' and hand waive it all away.

But since I know that won't give you satisfaction, how about this: Guilt by association.

Now before you start the inevitable wall of chicanery by stating Cohen is a liar etc, consider, that is the pedigree trump was seeking out when hiring him, and was happy enough with the quality of his work for more than a decade.
Trump absolutely is a criminal, and one day, i believe he will have the convictions to prove it.

And if that day never comes, if despite all the investigations, all the witch hunts, all the BS accusations that no conviction is forthcoming, then what?

Will you admit that you were wrong all this time - afterall - you proudly proclaim that loosing 50 court cases must mean something, so if the same is true for Trump that he's not been convicted in 50 court cases or 100 court cases or 1,000 - then what?

See - for all the accusations you levy at me - allow me to fire one back:

That last statements sounds like regardless of the evidence, regardless of acquittals, you have already decided Trump won the ele... sorry 'is a criminal'

You give me a hard time (as is only fair) when I say I have doubts about the Election, for a multitude of reasons - yet my position is far softer on that issue than your position is on Trump - so do I give you an equally hard time?

1/32 man

8th November 2022, 17:04

Quote Originally Posted by 1/32 man View Post
You better help me there...

I have seen the armed guard at the gate but you better show me some of the FBI with guns out entering the house or I am doubting you.
Do you think they took their Rifles out of the car to pose for photos in front of the gate before securely storing them back in their vehicles?

Cause that is what you would have to believe for that statement to be true....

No pictures from you, TDL.....your credibility is zero.

You know the saying," Pictures or it didnt happen"

I guess it didn't happen.

TheDemonLord

8th November 2022, 17:10

No pictures from you, TDL.....your credibility is zero.

You know the saying," Pictures or it didnt happen"

I guess it didn't happen.

So, I post a Google search, that shows multiple different pictures of armed agents outside of his home - and this somehow means that there wasn't armed Agents...

Okay....

pritch

8th November 2022, 19:22

On the base facts, what Hillary did with her email server was worse than what Trump has done at Mar-A-Lago:

2: When subpeoned, the data was mysteriously 'lost'

I can't be bothered reading your post, this is nonsense overload right there.

Stealing thousands of documents many of which were highly classified and none of which he was entitled to, is more serious than having a private email server. Don't start going on about his magic declassifying of documents by simply thinking about it. That's completely ridiculous.

Trump family and aids were using encrypted apps on their private cellphones so they are in no position to talk about Clinton.

According to the then FBI Director, zero Clinton emails were lost. The Emails Trump and others like yourself are endlessly banging on about were the emails relating to grandkids and such. The FBI had weeded them out as not being of interest.

husaberg

8th November 2022, 22:05

I can't be bothered reading your post, this is nonsense overload right there.

Ya getting there.......

1/32 man

9th November 2022, 07:19

They say you cannot argue with a trumper....even when you use facts.

armed agents outside of his home

Exactly ....."outside" when you suggested something else in your previous post, "at gun point" wasnt it?
Show me a picture of the FBI with guns drawn inside the house....not outside the boundary at the gate.....if you can?
And don't use a Sharpie to draw a gun on anyone.

Too bad, never mind, I will go and have my hamberder and covfefe at gunpoint where I will reminder bigly about how trump knows more and is more about absolutely everything ....and possibly more than that.

"Wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it. Right is right even if no one is doing it"

pritch

9th November 2022, 07:25

Big turnout in the US. Most polls and the "experts" predict Republican gains in one or both houses The final polls of some major news organisations showed different results. Some of these organisations considered their own poll an outlier and wrote that the Democrats are in trouble. Others predicted a Republican win and didn't even mention their own poll.

Problem is that in the light of all these "expert" opinions, anything but a Democrat loss is going to completely fuck with the heads of the MAGA crowd. They'll never believe the election wasn't rigged.

Of course the next couple of weeks will be interesting too. Will Trump announce he is running, or will he be indicted?

I have popcorn.

TheDemonLord

9th November 2022, 07:57

Stealing thousands of documents many of which were highly classified and none of which he was entitled to, is more serious than having a private email server.

No, it's not.

Firstly, he didn't steal anything - I've posted the Memo, he said he was taking boxes to Mar-A-Lago and declassifying them, whilst he was still in office as is his 100% right to do.

Secondly, having an insecure server that is outside of the Corporate IT Security policy that has access (even if that access is via the end-user nodes) to the secure infrastructure is the single biggest 'No No'. Especially when said server is compromised by state actors. That is far more serious, because the scope of damage is far greater than just having physical access to the documents.

Don't start going on about his magic declassifying of documents by simply thinking about it. That's completely ridiculous.

It is Ridiculous... And True. There is no process the President has to follow to declassify a document.

None.

Trump family and aids were using encrypted apps on their private cellphones so they are in no position to talk about Clinton.

So not their work phones then? Not the ones connected to the Secure network? Put the Red Herring down and move along.

According to the then FBI Director, zero Clinton emails were lost. The Emails Trump and others like yourself are endlessly banging on about were the emails relating to grandkids and such. The FBI had weeded them out as not being of interest.

The FBI does not have that right to supersede a Subpoena. That would be a task for a Judge to review and then exclude the evidence. Not the FBI.

Thanks for confirming that something criminal happened and that the FBI was playing favorites.

TheDemonLord

9th November 2022, 08:01

Exactly ....."outside" when you suggested something else in your previous post, "at gun point" wasnt it?
Show me a picture of the FBI with guns drawn inside the house....not outside the boundary at the gate.....if you can?
And don't use a Sharpie to draw a gun on anyone.

So, you want me to believe that they took their rifles out, posed for pictures, and never took them inside? Does that seem remotely logical to you?

The pictures we have are all from the street and show armed cops inside the perimeter. Unlike Pritch's claim, we can clearly see armed Agents.

TheDemonLord

9th November 2022, 08:02

R650R

9th November 2022, 08:37

Let’s hope the dems win so they don’t have to resort to “mainly peaceful protests...”

TheDemonLord

9th November 2022, 08:47

Let’s hope the dems win so they don’t have to resort to “mainly peaceful protests...”

Nah, I'm taking the Tim Poole position on this - if they want to have 'mostly peaceful protests' then hopefully an army of Kyle Rittenhouse's will be there to show them what 'find out' means.

Laava

9th November 2022, 09:18

Bit dodgy eh?

Yes. Yes he is. He is a lizard dipped in shit!

Stylo

9th November 2022, 17:23

Yes. Yes he is. He is a lizard dipped in shit!

Watching the Mid terms with interest.

husaberg

9th November 2022, 17:36

Let’s hope the dems win so they don’t have to resort to “mainly peaceful protests...”

the overwhelming majority of the more than 9.000 Black Lives Matter demonstrations that took place across the US after the killing of George Floyd have been peaceful. News reports at the height of demonstrations over Floyd’s killing cited dozens of deaths in connection with protests, but many of those turned out to be examples of deadly crimes carried out in the vicinity of protests, rather than directly related to the demonstrations themselves, the researchers concluded. ACLED’s dataset only focuses on political violence.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

Whats really ironic is most of the people killed were killed by "right wing gun enthusiasts"
but hey you never let facts get in the way of a good troll....

TheDemonLord

10th November 2022, 06:20

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

Whats really ironic is most of the people killed were killed by "right wing gun enthusiasts"
but hey you never let facts get in the way of a good troll....

The fact they can't even get the details of Kyle Rittenhouse correct tells me that the entire article is Bunk.

For reference - as per the court case (for those of us that watched it) Wisconsin has an exception for those under 18 to carry Long Guns (Rifles and Shotguns over a certain length). Long Guns legally are not 'Dangerous Weapons' and since Kyle's rifle was a full-length rifle (not an SBR), he was 100% entitled to carry it.

IIRC the Judge asked the prosecution if they'd like to measure the overall length, the prosecution declined (because they knew it was bunk) and the charge was dismissed.

And it does gloss over that some of the people that were killed, were killed by Left Wing activists specifically for their political views.

I also don't see any mention of Darryl Brookes or the Christmas Parade attack (topical given that the farce that was his trial recently ended) - I mean, the Guardian wouldn't be deliberately omitting information in order to maintain their narrative, now would they....

pritch

10th November 2022, 11:33

Is this the writing on the wall?

Laava

10th November 2022, 12:13

TDL for president! He has all the skills a trunt protege could want! Master debater! More guns for safety! Build that wall!

F5 Dave

10th November 2022, 12:23

TheDemonLord

10th November 2022, 12:29

TDL for president! He has all the skills a trunt protege could want! Master debater! More guns for safety! Build that wall!

I'd be a Terrible president.

However, Dictator for life....

pritch

10th November 2022, 12:30

US National Archives have released a list of items missing from Trump's time as President. These are not documents, these are valuables like jewellery and a gold medal from the king of Saudi Arabia among other things.

There is a federal law covering gifts to presidents from foreign nations. If a gift is of minor value ($400+ ?) the president may elect to keep it. Anything more valuable than that is the property of the nation and remains wth Archives. Except that a number of valuable items are missing. Of course.

I wonder whether it was Melania or Ivanka scored the missing diamond ear rings. Whichever, when the items are found they should be charged with receiving stolen goods.

It's way past time this career criminal was actually charged with something.

TheDemonLord

10th November 2022, 12:42

What our two resident Trump loonies don't seem to understand is that we live in the South Pacific on a collection of islands. They seem to think that American social media is reality.

I hope the GOP can put up a strong candidate as the Democrats don't seem able to. I don't particularly care who wins from this distance just as long as Trump doesn't.

We aren't Democrats. We live in New Zealand. We are affected by world politics and having a Strong US helps balance thing, for all the downsides. Having a clown in the pocket of obvious dictators does not.

We are downstream from what happens in America. Like it or not.

Bad ideas in the US become bad ideas in NZ.

Half of what Jacinda has done to this country is right out of the current Democrat playbook. One look at what California has become - the homeless, the crime etc. (which is a shame cause I remember visiting California when I was a kid and it was amazing) is a vision into what's in store for NZ.

And unlike the US, we can't simply move to a different state where there is Governance based upon a strong foundation of Natural Rights and principles.

Your hatred of Trump blinds you to the fact he lead a Strong US, that's why from 2016-2019 in NZ, despite Stalinda, things weren't too bad.

Was he Chaotic? Sure. But his chaos sided with individual freedom. And I'd take that any day over what the left has currently become.

Laava

10th November 2022, 15:12

This article kind of sums up what is happening at the moment, and it is all bad for Trunt. Not to mention all the other stuff he is involved with that is potentially going to burn his flabby orange arse.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300735707/donald-trump-livid-with-us-midterm-results-and-blaming-everyone-including-melania

pritch

10th November 2022, 15:16

TheDemonLord

10th November 2022, 16:43

One thing that has come out of the US mid term election is that developments in the way we communicate have left the pollsters behind. Almost without exception the polls were wildly inaccurate with their red wave predictions.

I don't even know how they do their polls but if they rely heavily on calling landline phones it is obsolete. Ringing cellphones won't work either, the Gen Z ers will not answer an unknown number. Even when lost in the mountains and it's rescuers trying to call them. (True story.)

The very few people who predicted a close result were using different methods to the pollsters and were laughed at for their lack of professionalism. He who laughs last...

I'm not sure if that will translate directly to NZ but our pollsters need to pay attention to what happened.

It's certainly one for the ages, I know that in the US there are some polling organizations that exclusively use Landlines and historically they have tended to give more conservative results than other polling methods.

However, in recent times, the election of Trump, the polling around Brexit etc. polling has typically had a slight left-bias, so for the polls to not only be out, but be out and skewed right is certainly something. And this was across the board.

There are some theories - such as polling data encouraging large numbers of Democrats to vote, whereas the Republicans sat on their laurels. I've seen some discussion around some states and how they conduct their election, in particular the handling of Mail-In votes, with many people pointing to what happened in Florida for the GWB election and how since then Florida really has been the benchmark - essentially asking the question: "Florida seems to have gotten it's shit sorted after the 2000 election, why are other states so bad at counting votes?"

husaberg

10th November 2022, 16:43

New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman wrote on Twitter: “Trump is indeed furious this morning, particularly about Mehmet Oz, and is blaming everyone who advised him to back Oz – including his wife, describing it as not her best decision, according to people close to him.”

About half of Mr Trump’s chosen candidates for Congress suffered losses, denting the former president’s influence as he is widely expected to formally launch another presidential bid.

An adviser told CNN the former president was “livid” and “screaming at everybody”.

A spokesman for Trump Taylor Budowich later denied the reports, saying they were “completely fake” and that the former president had “won overwhelmingly at the ballot box”.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/98/ae/89/98ae891254f229842ff6e216eef76428.jpg

sugilite

10th November 2022, 20:46

I'm sure if I was to look into the detail of each investigation, then we would see each one was focused on a different aspect - but let's presume that it was 10 investigations about the exact same thing:

On the base facts, what Hillary did with her email server was worse than what Trump has done at Mar-A-Lago:

Hilarious concept. So if it were say a murder with 10 different aspects, you would be cool with 10 separate trials? :rolleyes:
I'm sure you will join my passionate hope that somehow, someway - BOTH Trump and hillary go down for their crimes.

See, if the voters were as concerned as you are about it, then surely they would reject the candidates that Trump endorsed and the ones who, according to you, participated in 'the big lie'

Yet, they have not.
Oh dear old chum, this comment has aged rather poorly in only 2 days :laugh:
Fun fact: the dastardly dems lost fewer seats in the House of Representatives than any Democratic parties first midterm election in the last 40 years.
Who knew the US could produce a turn out of voters to insert the tampon of common sense, to significantly stem the extremist MAGA mobs red wave.

A lot of Trumps nominees went down faster than your pants if you had spotted a nicker-less Tulsi, bending over wearing a mini.

If the presidential election were to run tomorrow. Trump would lose again - to Biden. No question.

they know they are about to pay for their metaphorical crimes against the country and all that power and influence is about to be yeeted away from them.

And I cannot wait.
Awwww, what a lovely MAGAT fairy tale that was.
Meanwhile, a tdl continues to wait

As for the court cases - Again, I've acknowledged that I cannot meet the 'beyond all reasonable doubt' burden of proof to win a court case. As a single example - you want me to believe that Joe Biden got a greater share of the Black vote than the first Black president of the US... Seems Legit.

I mean, that would make a great Tui ad....
Magat fairy tales never get old;)

The only 'evidence' that Fred Trump was a white supremecist was him being arrested at a KKK rally
:laugh:,:laugh:,:laugh:,:laugh:,:laugh:,:laugh:,
Full status Magat attained - black belt 7th dan!

Will you admit that you were wrong all this time - afterall - you proudly proclaim that loosing 50 court cases must mean something, so if the same is true for Trump that he's not been convicted in 50 court cases or 100 court cases or 1,000 - then what? See - for all the accusations you levy at me - allow me to fire one back:

That last statements sounds like regardless of the evidence, regardless of acquittals, you have already decided Trump won the ele... sorry 'is a criminal'
Like you, I will have to wait until the investigations have come to a conclusion. :bleh:
As far as I'm concerned, there is ample evidence now to criminally charge him, but will the powers that be be brave enough to admit they let a criminal take over the so called most powerful job in the world? I think not.

yet my position is far softer on that issue than your position is on Trump - so do I give you an equally hard time?

Well you sure like posting on pretty much everything I say :bleh:

P.S Remind me, how many percentage points did Ron santimonius win Florida by? (That new nickname is so catchy!)
Put that number beside the amount of magat canidates endorsed by Trump that crashed and burned. (the morgue was like - quite full)

Trumps Ceasar/Brutus moment might be a lot closer than I thought. Good times ahead old chap, good times ahead :devil2:

Laava

10th November 2022, 21:57

Hilarious concept. If the presidential election were to run tomorrow. Trump would lose again - to Biden. No question.
:devil2:
That truly is a hilarious concept. Biden getting voted in. he gets voted in because people don't want to vote for Trunt.
What amazes me is that a suitable candidate is nowhere to be seen. The people that are right for the job probably don't want a bar of it I guess?…

TheDemonLord

11th November 2022, 07:18

Hilarious concept. So if it were say a murder with 10 different aspects, you would be cool with 10 separate trials? :rolleyes:

A house/senate investigation is not a trial per se - so to take your argument.

Let's say a particularly egregious crime was committed and so we had an investigation to found out:

1: Why the killer was able to get into the country?
2: How the Killer was able to get a licence?
3: How the Killer was able to obtain items that should be illegal for him to possess?
4: Why community feedback that the Killer was a Risk was not actioned?
5: What the causal factors were for the Killer to do what he did?

(No points for guessing what I'm alluding to...)

There's other areas where it would appropriate for there to be an investigation into. Some of them have overlaps, some could be answered in one large over-arching investigation (AKA a Royal Commission) but they could also be separated to allow for specialization.

I'm sure you will join my passionate hope that somehow, someway - BOTH Trump and hillary go down for their crimes.

I mean, I'll take the quote Hillary committed a Crime?

Oh dear old chum, this comment has aged rather poorly in only 2 days :laugh:
Fun fact: the dastardly dems lost fewer seats in the House of Representatives than any Democratic parties first midterm election in the last 40 years.
Who knew the US could produce a turn out of voters to insert the tampon of common sense, to significantly stem the extremist MAGA mobs red wave.

It did, didn't it? Even Pritch acknowledged that almost all the polling was pointing that way. Oh well, the states that have gone deep red like Florida will continue to prove the point as to which type of governance people want.

A lot of Trumps nominees went down faster than your pants if you had spotted a nicker-less Tulsi, bending over wearing a mini.

Just two comments here:

1: Brilliant line
2: Are you saying you'd be any different?

If the presidential election were to run tomorrow. Trump would lose again - to Biden. No question.

Maybe, maybe not - there's been a lot of discussion on the Conservative side as to what happened, some more spicy than others. There has been comments about the picking of Candidates being overconfident - e.g. picking a strong candidate to go against a deep blue state, and picking someone like Dr Oz (who I have no particular feeling for) against someone with Brain Damage.

Awwww, what a lovely MAGAT fairy tale that was.
Meanwhile, a tdl continues to wait

It's a long game.

Magat fairy tales never get old;)

Well, it is a true statement and it is equally unbelievable.

Full status Magat attained - black belt 7th dan!

This has nothing to do with Maga this or Maga that - this is just an articulation of the Facts, the only thing that ties Fred to being racist is a 1920 arrest. 100 years ago. No one has claimed since he was a raised, the arrest doesn't mention that he was a Klan member and we have to look at it in the context of the times.

If you have other evidence that he was a racist (actual documented evidence) - then by all means.

Like you, I will have to wait until the investigations have come to a conclusion. :bleh:
As far as I'm concerned, there is ample evidence now to criminally charge him, but will the powers that be be brave enough to admit they let a criminal take over the so called most powerful job in the world? I think not.

The people who you are insinuating would need to 'be brave' already outright hate Trump and are doing everything they can to smear him - so this line makes zero sense.

Well you sure like posting on pretty much everything I say :bleh:

Indeed, as I've often said, the difference of opinion is interesting.

P.S Remind me, how many percentage points did Ron santimonius win Florida by? (That new nickname is so catchy!)
Put that number beside the amount of magat canidates endorsed by Trump that crashed and burned. (the morgue was like - quite full)

Trumps Ceasar/Brutus moment might be a lot closer than I thought. Good times ahead old chap, good times ahead :devil2:

I'm seeing calls for Trump to step aside and let Ron ascend - especially based on the Midterms - I'd still like a second Trump presidency, if only for the 'Fuck You' value it would provide.

1/32 man

11th November 2022, 08:22

I predict a bloodbath

What sort of a sorry statement is that TDL?

I am assuming that was a figurative use of the term 'bloodbath".... I didnt notice the dems getting "slaughtered" by the GOP gang.

Loony Dr Oz was beaten thank goodness and no guns were used.

I am starting to think TDL is not a real person but a russian troll who is on a mission to stir the stale depths of NZ social media and sow discontent and anxiety among those foolish enough to engage with him/her.

Some great posts recently by others though...keep it up chaps. You have my respect.

pritch

11th November 2022, 08:48

Y’all will remember a court case in which Alex Jones was sued by the parents of children murdered at Sandy Hook. It resulted in massive damages against Nones. That sum did not include punitive damages. The judge has now awarded punitive damages of another half a billion dollars.

TheDemonLord

11th November 2022, 08:51

What sort of a sorry statement is that TDL?

I am assuming that was a figurative use of the term 'bloodbath".... I didnt notice the dems getting "slaughtered" by the GOP gang.

No, it was definitely literal, I was fully expecting the Republicans to pull out the Halloween masks and fire up the Chainsaws... :rolleyes:

/Sarcasm

(in case it wasn't bleeding obvious)

Loony Dr Oz was beaten thank goodness and no guns were used.

This isn't something to crow about - I've got no strong opinion on Dr Oz, several commentators on the right have been very scathing of him - however Fetterman - the dude has literal brain damage from a Stroke. I don't want to shit on someone who is struggling through a medical condition - but case in point - does he support Fracking or not?

Watch the debate with Oz, you can clearly see he's not all there.

You can say that this tells you how bad Oz is as a candidate, but it also tells you that the Democrats will "Vote blue, no matter who" - they'd vote for a Puppet with a serious medical condition.

I am starting to think TDL is not a real person but a russian troll who is on a mission to stir the stale depths of NZ social media and sow discontent and anxiety among those foolish enough to engage with him/her.

Da Tovarish! Nyet Nyet!

Except I'm British. And I've met some people on here - including someone who I regularly enjoy debates with.

I mean, if that was my mission, I wouldn't be doing it on Kiwibiker.

1/32 man

11th November 2022, 09:42

TheDemonLord

11th November 2022, 10:47

mmmm well TDL maybe I will cut you a little slack.

Did you here Dr Oz say on the Daily Show..... "abortion is between a woman, her doctor and the local politicians"?
Mehmet has to be an extremist in disguise.

I heard the full debate though, that isn't what he meant and isn't the full quote.

He was very clearly advocating for local, state level governance, in opposition to federal regulation.

The idea being that if you don't like what is happening at the local level, you can vote them out at the local level.

Hardly an Extremist position.

husaberg

11th November 2022, 11:19

R650R

11th November 2022, 12:19

What our two resident Trump loonies don't seem to understand is that we live in the South Pacific on a collection of islands. They seem to think that American social media is reality.

I hope the GOP can put up a strong candidate as the Democrats don't seem able to. I don't particularly care who wins from this distance just as long as Trump doesn't.

We aren't Democrats. We live in New Zealand. We are affected by world politics and having a Strong US helps balance thing, for all the downsides. Having a clown in the pocket of obvious dictators does not.

What our resident Trump haters don't seem to understand is that we live in the South Pacific on a collection of islands. They seem to think that American social media is reality.

I hope the Dems can put up a strong candidate as the GOP don't seem able to. I don't particularly care who wins from this distance just as long as we don’t end up with “ mostly peaceful protests” if the dems lose.

We aren't Republicans. We live in New Zealand. We are affected by world politics and having a Strong US helps balance thing, for all the downsides. Having an Alzheimer’s victim in the pocket of obvious wealthy influencers does not.

george formby

11th November 2022, 14:31

in the pocket of obvious wealthy influencers.

Are you implying it's possible to elect a leader in a democratic country who would not be influenced by the wealthy?

TheDemonLord

11th November 2022, 14:41

Are you implying it's possible to elect a leader in a democratic country who would not be influenced by the wealthy?

It's possible in the same way that it's possible for me to see cake and not eat it.

There is a convoluted scientific theory that states that if a certain set of initial parameters can be achieved, then it may be possible.

Scientists are still uncertain as to what those initial parameters are or if they are even possible to get in reality.

Research is still ongoing.

george formby

11th November 2022, 16:14

It's possible in the same way that it's possible for me to see cake and not eat it.

There is a convoluted scientific theory that states that if a certain set of initial parameters can be achieved, then it may be possible.

Scientists are still uncertain as to what those initial parameters are or if they are even possible to get in reality.

Research is still ongoing.

Cake... :drool:

I was thinking about lobbyist's for industry and economics when I posted tongue in cheek.

Gummint can't run without advice and the source is often very questionable. For example, here and in the UK gov have taken best practice for sustainability in the fishing industry from the fishing industry itself, Canada, too, i think.
One simple example of how the best intentions can be screwed up.

Also makes me think of Gandhi. Allegedly he would have lovely, nekkid, young women sleep in his bed to test his ability to resist temptation.

What is it with us Poms and cake? I frequent a UK bike forum and it has a dedicated cake section.

1/32 man

11th November 2022, 16:32

that isn't what he meant

That has a familiar ring to it

husaberg

11th November 2022, 16:45

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWeBhHpX0AARIDL.jpg

Laava

11th November 2022, 17:23

makes me think of Gandhi. Allegedly he would have lovely, nekkid, young women sleep in his bed to test his ability to resist temptation
.
You're a bad influence. I just ran that by my wife.

george formby

11th November 2022, 17:49

You're a bad influence. I just ran that by my wife.

I'm guessing she doesn't swing that way?

Laava

11th November 2022, 17:53

She did swing at me thankyouverymuch!

Laava

11th November 2022, 18:03

Lols, mercans!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/dead-congressman-wins-re-election-in-pennsylvania-midterm-election/ar-AA13W3V1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9e7bff6614ec4601928394a6ffa67568

Laava

13th November 2022, 20:48

So it looks like Trump is going to go ahead with his presidential campaign!😆😆😆😆
His idiocy knows no bounds! No doubt this will be tremendous news for his retarded fanbois!😆😆😆😆

TheDemonLord

14th November 2022, 06:46

So it looks like Trump is going to go ahead with his presidential campaign!😆😆😆😆
His idiocy knows no bounds! No doubt this will be tremendous news for his retarded fanbois!😆😆😆😆

Considering practically everyone has said that he would run again, it's not exactly news.

1/32 man

14th November 2022, 08:09

Considering practically everyone has said that he would run again, it's not exactly news.

OH....poor dumb america

F5 Dave

14th November 2022, 11:22

To be fair, only a lot of it is dumb.

R650R

14th November 2022, 16:54

So it looks like Trump is going to go ahead with his presidential campaign!😆😆😆😆
His idiocy knows no bounds! No doubt this will be tremendous news for his retarded fanbois!😆😆😆😆

No not tremendous.

It will be absolutely superbly tremendous. It will be so tremendous you’ll get tired of seeing such a superbly tremdous rerun. You will never have seen anything like it before, it will be so tremendous that tremendous doesn’t even describe how tremendous it will be.
We made America great again, now it’s time to make America tremendous again
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

Let the games begin

pritch

14th November 2022, 17:37

Considering practically everyone has said that he would run again, it's not exactly news.

"Practically everyone" predicted a red tsunami too. How'd that work out?

Trump is in a bind. He announced there would be an announcement Tuesday (a sorta Trump thing). He has made many predictions about things that were to happen in "two weeks:"
His infrastructure plan,
HIs healthcare plan,
Probably also at some point the release of his tax returns,
None happened of course.

Nobody except hardened MAGAts want him to run so his advice will likely be not to run. If he doesn't announce that he's running though, he'll look like the world's biggest chicken.

For what it's worth, in an attempt to save face he may announce something minimal, something minor, of little relevance to anything much. Similar to himself now.

husaberg

14th November 2022, 17:41

No not tremendous.

It will be absolutely superbly tremendous. It will be so tremendous you’ll get tired of seeing such a superbly tremdous rerun. You will never have seen anything like it before, it will be so tremendous that tremendous doesn’t even describe how tremendous it will be.
We made America great again, now it’s time to make America tremendous again
��

Let the games begin
So trump has lost the popular vote on all Three occasions he has ran for US president.
2000, 2016, and 2020
the best the can do is ruin other republican chances....
Go for it Donnie....
if anyone here can represent the conservative Christian masses of philandering's whose had three wives, a tax and charity thief who doesn't even go to church.
https://religioninpublicblog.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/null.jpeg?w=640

Even the Rupert Murdock owned paper can't help but notice trump is poison

https://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/trumpmurdoch-1.jpg

TheDemonLord

14th November 2022, 18:14

"Practically everyone" predicted a red tsunami too. How'd that work out?

Sure, but these two things are slightly different, both in time and scope.

Trump has been conclusively thought to run in 2024 since 2021.

Trump is in a bind. He announced there would be an announcement Tuesday (a sorta Trump thing). He has made many predictions about things that were to happen in "two weeks:"
His infrastructure plan,
HIs healthcare plan,
Probably also at some point the release of his tax returns,
None happened of course.

Honestly - if I was him my pitch would be 'whatever Biden is doing, we'll do the opposite' and leave it at that.

Nobody except hardened MAGAts want him to run so his advice will likely be not to run. If he doesn't announce that he's running though, he'll look like the world's biggest chicken.

For what it's worth, in an attempt to save face he may announce something minimal, something minor, of little relevance to anything much. Similar to himself now.

From what I've seen the general attitude is that if it's between Trump and DeSantis, most would prefer DeSantis - but if it was Trump vs Biden, those same people would choose Trump.

I'm waiting for the dust to settle on the midterms to see where the polling went wrong - because remember, this prediction was made on both sides of the aisle.

pritch

14th November 2022, 21:05

TheDemonLord

15th November 2022, 06:31

How polling is done is something of a mystery to me although I did just partake in a Nielson poll.. If they still rely on landlines that's only going to access a small cohort of geriatrics. I don't know if y'all are aware but Generation Z people in the US, who voted in large numbers, will not answer a call from an unknown number. The polls were obviously totally wrong and it may be their current methods are obsolete.

It seems some Gen Zs would rather die than answer an unknown number.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/1049252333/lost-hiker-mount-elbert-colorado-ignored-rescuers-phone-calls

I mean all Polls have a skew, I can't remember which one it is, but there is one in the US that primarily relies on Landlines and historically that has always skewed right (as older people and people with children tend to get more conservative) - however even historically left-leaning polls were predicting the same thing.

One thing that is coming out is that apparently it was single, childless women that were a major factor in this going against the polls. I'm still waiting on the details though - too much noise.

1/32 man

15th November 2022, 06:41

One thing that is coming out is that apparently it was single, childless women that were a major factor in this going against the polls.

That sounds like piffle to me....how do they know that?
Mind you, they know a lot of stuff in the US.

TheDemonLord

15th November 2022, 07:29

That sounds like piffle to me....how do they know that?
Mind you, they know a lot of stuff in the US.

As I said, I'm still waiting for the dust to settle - but I've heard that from both right and left sources - I believe the source is exit polling.

pete376403

15th November 2022, 08:03

One thing that is coming out is that apparently it was single, childless women that were a major factor in this going against the polls. I'm still waiting on the details though - too much noise.

Given the anti-abortion stance of the republicans, is this any surprise?

1/32 man

15th November 2022, 08:12

One rule for me and another rule for you....check out Herchel Walker's abortion stance and applying it for his girlfriend/s/s

TheDemonLord

15th November 2022, 08:15

Given the anti-abortion stance of the republicans, is this any surprise?

Depends how you look at it.

Did you know that the majority of Anti-Abortion activists are Mothers?

But as above - waiting for the dust to settle.

pritch

15th November 2022, 12:25

One rule for me and another rule for you....check out Herchel Walker's abortion stance and applying it for his girlfriend/s/s

Herchel Walker was also a loud proponent of black fathers staying with their children and not just moving on. Turns out he has a number of kids he has never cared for.

That's normal for Republicans though. They have to be the most hypocritical arseholes on the planet. They are against gays - until their own kids come out. They are against abortion - until their girlfriend gets pregnant. They bang on about the sanctity of marriage but are on their third wife, and possibly having an affair on the side.
And the ones who shout loudest about family values turn out to be gay themselves.

Democrats caught doing something vaguely off colour resign from congress. If Republicans are caught doing something seriously bad you can't get them out with dynamite.

pete376403

15th November 2022, 12:36

Depends how you look at it.

Did you know that the majority of Anti-Abortion activists are Mothers?

But as above - waiting for the dust to settle.
I doubt if many non-pregnant woman actively WANT an abortion, but if and when they do, the choice should be theirs, not some politicians - least of all some politician who would deny them but send their wives / girlfriends off to get one (eg Herschel Walker, and probably others).

TheDemonLord

15th November 2022, 12:47

Herchel Walker was also a loud proponent of black fathers staying with their children and not just moving on. Turns out he has a number of kids he has never cared for.

That's normal for Republicans though. They have to be the most hypocritical arseholes on the planet. They are against gays - until their own kids come out. They are against abortion - until their girlfriend gets pregnant. They bang on about the sanctity of marriage but are on their third wife, and possibly having an affair on the side.
And the ones who shout loudest about family values turn out to be gay themselves.

Democrats caught doing something vaguely off colour resign from congress. If Republicans are caught doing something seriously bad you can't get them out with dynamite.

Oh, you mean like the Left telling everyone that fossil fuels are killing the planet, and then flying into a climate conference on their private Jet?

See, I don't disagree that both sides have their hypocrites - that's fine, I'll let you have that one.

But in turn - let's look at the advice that republicans give:

Get Married, stay married, have kids, be around for your kids.

Not a bad recipe for life, now is it? I could add other things - such as looking after yourself, being able and ready to defend yourself, be active in your local community, give to charity etc. etc. but the fundamental message doesn't stop being good even if the person saying it is an asshat.

TheDemonLord

15th November 2022, 12:54

I doubt if many non-pregnant woman actively WANT an abortion, but if and when they do, the choice should be theirs, not some politicians - least of all some politician who would deny them but send their wives / girlfriends off to get one (eg Herschel Walker, and probably others).

See, I've stated I'm fundamentally pro-choice - but let me make the Conservative argument for a second, because it's worth repeating:

The decision to not have a child starts before conception. Either don't fuck, use a Condom or use some form of Birth Control - there are a Myriad of options. And sure, young people make stupid mistakes, I've paid for a few morning-after pills when I was a younger man cause that was cheaper than 18 years of payments.

Once you've done the Crime, you should do the time.

To a Conservative (without raising the Moral arguments about the starting of life or the religious views), shirking ones responsibilities is wrong.

Not to mention that there is a Gender imbalance - there is no equivalent to an Abortion for Men to opt-out of parenthood post hoc.

Getting back to the perspective of the anti-abortion crowd, predominantly being Mothers - maybe there is something transformative, that makes you a better person, when you become a parent. Maybe there is something in terms of meaning and fulfillment in your life that cannot be measured or quantified that is so precious that these Women believe strongly that other Women shouldn't forgo it.

R650R

15th November 2022, 15:12

Herchel Walker was also a loud proponent of black fathers staying with their children and not just moving on. Turns out he has a number of kids he has never cared for.

That's normal for Republicans though. They have to be the most hypocritical arseholes on the planet. They are against gays - until their own kids come out. They are against abortion - until their girlfriend gets pregnant. They bang on about the sanctity of marriage but are on their third wife, and possibly having an affair on the side.
And the ones who shout loudest about family values turn out to be gay themselves.

Democrats caught doing something vaguely off colour resign from congress. If Republicans are caught doing something seriously bad you can't get them out with dynamite.

The left believes you are either with them or against them they don’t tolerate the middle ground. Most people that are “ anti abortion” aren’t anti the right to access. They are anti making it a mainstream easy lifestyle choice for people who make bad decisions. The worst thing about abortion is it results in dysgenics and societal distortion.
You see the original promoters Margery Sanger et al thought it would be a way to curb what Hillary calls the deplorables or useless eaters from multiplying. However the majority uptake has been intelligent successful career women chasing the next promotion.
Meanwhile sex education promotes promiscuity and in the end the lower social economic group ends up reproducing more.
The left is against poverty and starvation but restricts oil production and places burdens on businesses producing food.
Thevleft is against capitalism but invents a pyramid scheme for the rich to pay to pollute aka carbon credits with the cost of all this flooding down to the poor everyday consumer.
The left wants lower prison population but then let’s crime run wild.

husaberg

15th November 2022, 15:33

The left believes you are either with them or against them they don’t tolerate the middle ground. Most people that are “ anti abortion” aren’t anti the right to access. They are anti making it a mainstream easy lifestyle choice for people who make bad decisions. The worst thing about abortion is it results in dysgenics and societal distortion.
You see the original promoters Margery Sanger et al thought it would be a way to curb what Hillary calls the deplorables or useless eaters from multiplying. However the majority uptake has been intelligent successful career women chasing the next promotion.
Meanwhile sex education promotes promiscuity and in the end the lower social economic group ends up reproducing more.
The left is against poverty and starvation but restricts oil production and places burdens on businesses producing food.
Thevleft is against capitalism but invents a pyramid scheme for the rich to pay to pollute aka carbon credits with the cost of all this flooding down to the poor everyday consumer.
The left wants lower prison population but then let’s crime run wild.

For someone that knows so little you seem to think you know a lot about what the left wants.

Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
But why start doing that now

A nice moments of reasoned sanity there. You can bet the Russians will prob never even receive or acknowledge her comment. She’s too young to remember the NZ butter/Lada fiasco....

Russia won’t invade anyway. There troops on border are like patched gang members sitting in a car in street while the prospects go do dirty work and collect debts.
There has been substantial internal skirmishes going on for a long time by rebel groups, many think Ukraine really is still pretty much Russia absent post Cold War changes. Funny how when yanks do same with cia interfering in other countries no one says anything...,,

maybe this the red wave was more a drip
https://media.gq.com/photos/62bf3372946804349cb2cd05/master/pass/rudy.jpg

pritch

15th November 2022, 16:37

They are anti making it a mainstream easy lifestyle choice for people who make bad decisions.

Not at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law that banned abortion across the entire nation. No exceptions for rape or incest. There has already been an attempt to make a pregnant ten year old carry her own fathers' baby to term. You've been reading fake news again.

The left wants lower prison population but then let’s crime run wild.

The NZ Labour Party is regarded as left yet we are rated the second safest country on earth. Where's all this crime that's running wild? Basically it exists in the fevered imaginings of the ignorati who listen to NewstalkZB and TV news executives desperate to pump doom and gloom into our living rooms.

sugilite

15th November 2022, 16:47

Da, da trump trump trump, another one bites the dust. :laugh:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63627007

husaberg

15th November 2022, 17:23

TheDemonLord

15th November 2022, 17:36

Not at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law that banned abortion across the entire nation. No exceptions for rape or incest. There has already been an attempt to make a pregnant ten year old carry her own fathers' baby to term. You've been reading fake news again.

As it seems, have you:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/13/republicans-graham-bill-restrict-abortions-nationwide-00056404

The Protecting Pain-Capable Unborn Children from Late-Term Abortions Act prohibits abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy and provides some exceptions in cases of rape, incest

The NZ Labour Party is regarded as left yet we are rated the second safest country on earth. Where's all this crime that's running wild?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/crime-rate-statistics

See how the trend was slightly decreasing downward, since the 90s.

Then something happened in 2017...

Can't quite put my finger on it....

A 253% increase in crime...

Now - to be clear - your point is correct, compared globally, we still have very low rates of crime. But if we compare NZ before Stalinda and after Stalinda, there is a multitude of evidence that crime has increased.

Or, if you'd like another source: https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/19-07-2022/how-much-has-crime-really-increased

Crime has increased 15%

Basically it exists in the fevered imaginings of the ignorati who listen to NewstalkZB and TV news executives desperate to pump doom and gloom into our living rooms.

"Don't believe your lying eyes"

F5 Dave

15th November 2022, 19:06

So I'm reading in a quote an inference that people who make bad life choices should be forced into becoming parents.

Yeah I can see that promoting good outcomes.
:facepalm:

All because they read some old book where imaginary figures impart moral control, paraphrase: fuck women, then - Fuck women! Nice huh? <_<

pete376403

15th November 2022, 19:30

See, I've stated I'm fundamentally pro-choice - but let me make the Conservative argument for a second, because it's worth repeating:

The decision to not have a child starts before conception. Either don't fuck, use a Condom or use some form of Birth Control - there are a Myriad of options. And sure, young people make stupid mistakes, I've paid for a few morning-after pills when I was a younger man cause that was cheaper than 18 years of payments.

Once you've done the Crime, you should do the time.

To a Conservative (without raising the Moral arguments about the starting of life or the religious views), shirking ones responsibilities is wrong.

Not to mention that there is a Gender imbalance - there is no equivalent to an Abortion for Men to opt-out of parenthood post hoc.

Getting back to the perspective of the anti-abortion crowd, predominantly being Mothers - maybe there is something transformative, that makes you a better person, when you become a parent. Maybe there is something in terms of meaning and fulfillment in your life that cannot be measured or quantified that is so precious that these Women believe strongly that other Women shouldn't forgo it.

The typical conservative - "I'm fiercely independent, no-one tells me what to do, my life is my own to live as I see fit. And everyone else should do what I believe too"

R650R

15th November 2022, 20:06

Not at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law that banned abortion across the entire nation. No exceptions for rape or incest. There has already been an attempt to make a pregnant ten year old carry her own fathers' baby to term. You've been reading fake news again.

The NZ Labour Party is regarded as left yet we are rated the second safest country on earth. Where's all this crime that's running wild? Basically it exists in the fevered imaginings of the ignorati who listen to NewstalkZB and TV news executives desperate to pump doom and gloom into our living rooms.

Sadly all the good hosts have gone from ZB and my work schedule doesn’t coincide with optimum listening times now. Any how tonight I watched a bit of doom and gloom ( to hear about the new resource management act shake up to be delivered in ten years time🤣🤣🤣)
Cuddly Coster was defending polices poor response to fraud investigations with the line that they get a million 111 calls a year with the implication that the majority were domestic violence as crimes against people take priority.
So when one in five of the population on average has to make 111 call yearly for mostly violent crimes I’d say we have a problem.
And one of following story’s about the life parolee who murdered that girl, there’s so many of them that the police have have a dedicated app on the phone for the 400 or so of them on the loose... and I don’t need to remind you what level of nastiness you actually need to do in this country to actually get a life sentence.....

1/32 man

15th November 2022, 20:08

To a Conservative (without raising the Moral arguments about the starting of life or the religious views), shirking ones responsibilities is wrong.

Our mother trump is good with responsibilities isnt she? Never accepted ever being responsible for anything.....look at Covid in the US and how he handled that? Blood on his hands wouldnt you say?

Waiting for a hefty reply with more quotes and references and links.

Conservatives don't conserve anything except their own well being.

R650R

15th November 2022, 20:10

As it seems, have you:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/13/republicans-graham-bill-restrict-abortions-nationwide-00056404

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/crime-rate-statistics

See how the trend was slightly decreasing downward, since the 90s.

Then something happened in 2017...

Can't quite put my finger on it....

A 253% increase in crime...

Now - to be clear - your point is correct, compared globally, we still have very low rates of crime. But if we compare NZ before Stalinda and after Stalinda, there is a multitude of evidence that crime has increased.

Or, if you'd like another source: https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/19-07-2022/how-much-has-crime-really-increased

Crime has increased 15%

"Don't believe your lying eyes"

Was probably the decision to ban pursuits and also announcing a target of 30% prison population reduction. Even the crims who never managed school cert maths could do the numbers on how there would have to be immediate exponential drops in sentancing severity...

TheDemonLord

16th November 2022, 07:34

The typical conservative - "I'm fiercely independent, no-one tells me what to do, my life is my own to live as I see fit. And everyone else should do what I believe too"

You were correct right up until the last sentence.

Living my life as I see fit doesn't preclude you from living yours as you see fit.

TheDemonLord

16th November 2022, 07:36

Our mother trump is good with responsibilities isnt she? Never accepted ever being responsible for anything.....look at Covid in the US and how he handled that? Blood on his hands wouldnt you say?

No more or no less (literally) than Biden.

The only difference being one maintained freedoms, the other didn't. It should come as no surprise which route I prefer.

Conservatives don't conserve anything except their own well being.

Is there something more important to you than your well being? And I'll include the well being of your family in that statement?

pritch

16th November 2022, 13:27

It would seem the "stable genius" is going to announce something. There is a crowd in the ball room at Mar a Lago. I'm waiting to her what he has to say, but listening to the interviews with various RWNJs hangers on is painful.

On the news this morning it was reported that Murdoch has said he will not support Trump. He will support whoever runs against Trump, even a Democrat if that's what it takes. That would seem to be the end of Trump right there.

pete376403

16th November 2022, 13:55

You were correct right up until the last sentence.

Living my life as I see fit doesn't preclude you from living yours as you see fit.

Even though the conservatives are determined to prevent anyone else having an abortion because they (conserves) dont agree with it?

pritch

16th November 2022, 14:08

His speech is total fantasy so far. Just one brief example, "When the pandemic struck I acted decisively."

Update: He did it. He's running.

Laava

16th November 2022, 14:58

He reminds me of Andy Kaufman. Only without the underlying talent and humanity.
We watch him, although we know we shouldnt.

TheDemonLord

16th November 2022, 15:08

Even though the conservatives are determined to prevent anyone else having an abortion because they (conserves) dont agree with it?

Hold up a second there - I must have missed an amendment to the constitution making Abortion illegal?

Oh, there isn't one?

Now - to answer the question directly, if you are a Conservative, one of the cornerstones of conservatism is individual rights. The right to life, Liberty and property.

We know definitively that at some point a fetus is developed enough that it has acquired those rights. This was mentioned in the Dobbs decision, but unborn children have had inheritance and property rights going back to medieval times. If you do the thought experiment - take a baby 5 minutes after it was born and kill it - that's murder, yes? I'm assuming no one is going to argue with that. Take that same baby, 5 minutes before it is born and kill it - do you think that this is still murder? I personally do. I don't think the mere act of passing through the Vaginal canal or having a cesarean is what imbues those rights on the individual. And I doubt anyone here is going to strongly argue that it isn't.

So, from a conservative position, there is a point at which Abortion becomes wrong, not because of any thoughts about the rights or wrongs of the procedure but because it infringes on the individual rights of another.

Now, for my personal opinion - I conversely don't believe that a single fertilized egg has the same claim to individual rights as a fully developed Baby, 5 minutes before birth. So for my personal opinion, there is a window of time where Abortion does not infringe on Individual rights, because the zygote has yet to develop sufficiently to acquire those rights.

In that window of time, it may be 'acceptable' to get an Abortion from a rights point of view, however it should still be discouraged from a Moral, Family and individual growth point of view.

I did not want children, I've never been paternal with other peoples children - having my own changed me to become a better version of myself.

And being a better individual, having a family are all things that get social goods as far as a Conservative is concerned.

You'll note in that I never once appealed to god or any belief set, only individual rights and then stated what my personal belief is.

For an extra 2c, I think you'd find that if the Democrats kept up their end of the Compromise 'Safe, Legal and Rare', then you would probably find the Republicans in less opposition to this issue. There is always going to be the Christian Conservative opposition, but the mainstream opposition IMO has come about from the insistance that Abortion be seen as a public good or as 'Health Care' - a phrase that I believe to be grossly offensive, despite being pro-choice and maintaining that it should be available if needed.

pritch

17th November 2022, 16:56

husaberg

17th November 2022, 17:38

The New York Post greeted Trump's announcement with a banner across the bottom of the front page. "Florida man makes announcement,"
Inside there was a modest item headlined, "Been there Don that.

Trump's speech was very low energy. It's almost as if he's gone off stimulants and is now hooked on tranqs. Fox cut away from his speech it was such riveting viewing.

The crowd was dwindling, to stop it becoming too embarrasing the security staff prevented people leaving. Actors is one thing, captive audiences are something else.

Fox had a discussion around which of the leading dozen or so contenders was likely to win the Republican nomination. Trump was not one of the dozen.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhN4ppDWIAExtXl?format=jpg&name=900x900
i have seen reports that Rupert and his spawn have both said to trumps team they will not be supporting him.
That loses trump not only fox, but also the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/15/murdoch-press-turns-on-donald-trump-in-favour-of-defuture-ron-desantis
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63631316

what is odd is Murdocks also happens to own billions on disney stock...its second largest shareholder

https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/27/23363693/ron-desantis-vs-disney-a-timeline
i wonder what could be in it for murdicks to support desantas

Grumph

17th November 2022, 18:23

The scenario I'd love to see is Trump not being the GOP nomination - but running as a third party candidate.

Talk about splitting the vote. If the Gop does splinter as some are suggesting you may see others running on the Trump ticket.
Which would make compulsive viewing.

pritch

17th November 2022, 19:20

i have seen reports that Rupert and his spawn have both said to trumps team they will not be supporting him.
That loses trump not only fox, but also the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post.

Plus SKY TV in Britain and Australia and multiple newspapers in both countries. I see Sky News Australia is already talking Trump down.

Also the Republican Party told Trump that if he ran they would stop paying his legal bills. That probably just means in the first instance that his many lawyers have zero chance of getting paid.

pritch

18th November 2022, 20:08

From FOX News on Trump's Truth Social.

husaberg

18th November 2022, 20:25

From FOX News on Trump's Truth Social.

It's gonna be awesome to see him form his own party, or better still destroy the reptlepubilcunts one that backed him despite his obvious criminality.

https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/sjm-69787_75275884.jpg?w=489
"Its my party and i will cry if i want to"....

sugilite

19th November 2022, 00:13

Yep, the repubs gave him a free pass when he was twice impeached - the dems gave them his head on a chopping block. Now He is going to finish destroying them lol. As Husa says, he will likely form his own party and split the vote. Repubs and trump can kiss goodbye being in government again :laugh:
They could of course continue eating trumps orange sausage, if they can get tdl off it that is, but the result will be the same - they run trump, they lose :ar15::lol:

pritch

19th November 2022, 07:48

Those GOP congressmen are really focused. With the multiple problems facing the US today they have immediately announced that they are going to investigate a private citizen.

Who would have guessed that the answers to gas prices, inflation, securing the border, drug abuse, terrorism, a dysfunctional political system, and a pandemic, were all to be found on Hunter Biden's laptop?

1/32 man

19th November 2022, 08:35

I have been away for a few days so missed some of the good news shared by others here....thank you, gentlemen.

As for your idea of freedom, TDL, "you can come into the rally but you cannot leave?" Surely your freedom is compromised. I am surprised none of the good old boys pulled out their ever present shooting irons and blasted their way out.

Biden might be a dithering old bastard but at least he can read and talk coherently off the cuff for more than a minute and stay on point.

Trump cant read and wont try....so covfefe that bigly.

husaberg

19th November 2022, 11:57

Carters of power

https://twitter.com/i/status/1592708669778673666

pritch

19th November 2022, 12:24

More bad news for a Florida retiree. The Attorney General of the USA has appointed a Special Counsel (read prosecutor). The prosecutor is flying back to the US from The Hague where he has been working. That's the International Court Of Justice at The Hague, the one that deals with war crimes. He is returning to the US to work on Trump's crimes.

The attachment mentions his relevant experience. Lawrence Tribe is a Professor Emeritus at Harvard.

pritch

19th November 2022, 13:44

At first glance this looks complicated. As Ms Navritilova says though, it works.

sugilite

23rd November 2022, 13:02

About fucking time, only took 6 years!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2022/nov/22/jan-6-conspiracy-trial-oath-keepers-biden-fauci-covid-politics-live?page=with%3Ablock-637ce5d18f08edd1a151f512

Laava

23rd November 2022, 20:04

Now all they have to do is get him to hand the returns over! Lol!

husaberg

23rd November 2022, 20:27

i am sure we will find out the real reason trump tried so hard to avoid releasing these was hes a very reserved shy person who finds talking about wealth to be vulgar.:innocent:

pritch

24th November 2022, 08:04

Now all they have to do is get him to hand the returns over! Lol!

The IRS will have copies. It would have been a surprise if the Supreme Court hadn't approved the handing over of Trump's returns. The law is very clear, what the House Ways and Means Committee wants it gets. That's not a flash name but that committee basically controls all sources of government funding. Bill Barr as head of the DoJ obstructed them, and IIRC a daughter of one of the main Republican players was in charge of the office that wouldn't hand them over.

So Congress will get the tax returns but now the Republicans control Congress.

sugilite

25th November 2022, 12:01

Ta da, trump, trump, trump another one bites the dust :laugh:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3748327-murkowski-defeats-trump-backed-challenger-in-alaska-senate-race/

1/32 man

26th November 2022, 09:00

sugilite

26th November 2022, 09:21

Ok, lets review.
An ego the size of a bus.
Prone to incoherent rants.
A low level grip on reality.
In other words, a serious GOP presidential candidate! :laugh:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/25/kanye-west-presidential-run-2024

pritch

26th November 2022, 16:45

Trump certainly has a certain taint.....a shit stain even.

Did I hear a recent tweet from Trump correctly, "give me me freedom or give me death"?

Many have suggested the latter and yes, Teerump is back tweeting, however I am not.

Yes and no to the freedom or death quote. He did write that, but it was on his Truth Social.

No to Trump back tweeting. As at 26 Nov, 1730hrs, his most recent tweet is still the one dated January 9th 2020.

Musk reinstated the banned RWNJs, and now claims he has reinstated some or all of the people who pierced his extremely thin skin.

Some or all Apple executives have left Twitter as has Apple itself. This caused speculation that Apple may remove Twitter from the App Store which would surely kill off what's left of it.
Musk has responded that if Apple remove Twitter from the App Store he will produce a cell phone.

The clown show continues...

Laava

26th November 2022, 18:07

onearmedbandit

27th November 2022, 19:14

have left Twitter as has Apple itself.

Must be something up with my account, still shows Apple as being active with over 8.7m followers. As is Apple Music and Apple TV.

husaberg

27th November 2022, 21:02

Must be something up with my account, still shows Apple as being active with over 8.7m followers. As is Apple Music and Apple TV.

I assumed he was refering to advertising.
Not sure if they have but there add agency advised them to stop.

Omnicom, one of the largest ad agencies in the world, is recommending that its clients temporarily halt advertising on the social media platform. According to the agency, the company is currently in a state of instability that will cause too much brand safety risk for its clients.

The memo, titled “Twitter - Continued Brand Safety Concerns,” tells its clients to pause advertising on the platform for the short term, but does not say exactly how long short term means. I guess that's up to Twitter and Elon Musk.

https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-ad-agency-has-told-it-to-pull-its-advertising-from-twitter

onearmedbandit

27th November 2022, 21:13

husaberg

27th November 2022, 22:49

No he quite clearly said "Some or all Apple executives have left Twitter as has Apple itself". Nothing about "Apple have stopped all advertising" (which btw it appears they still are as of 5 days ago - https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/999080/apple-and-amazon-among-firms-facing-pressure-to-halt-advertising-on-twitter-999080.html). So it would appear, either way, to be sensationalist misinformation. Again. Like saying "some or all". Well doesn't take long to see that Tim Cook is still there, along with Eddy Cue, Greg Joswiak. So there, a one minute search on twitter revealed it's not 'all'. But much more juicy to say "some or all" isn't it. Oh but he'll just accuse me of being a troll, because what else do you do but try to discredit someone when your card gets pulled. You know all about that.
I never queried what he wrote?
So the largest advertising agency in the world sending an email to its clients advising them that they believe they should stop advertising on twitter to protect their brand, do you classify that as being sensationalist misinformation?....
https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-ad-agency-has-told-it-to-pull-its-advertising-from-twitter
as for the last bit, often Fraser their appears to be is a pretty big chip on your shoulder.....it does you no credit especially as a moderator.

onearmedbandit

27th November 2022, 22:54

So the largest advertising agency in the world sending an email to its clients advising them that they believe they should stop advertising on twitter to protect their brand, do you classify as being sensationalist misinformation?....
https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-ad-agency-has-told-it-to-pull-its-advertising-from-twitter

lol that wasn't Pritch's claim dear boy...do please keep up. Go try troll someone else. Idiot.

onearmedbandit

27th November 2022, 23:19

I never queried what he wrote?

You made an assumption about what he may have meant. And even if your assumption was correct it would appear that despite suggestions they should withdraw from advertising on Twitter they haven't done so yet, so he'd still be wrong.

as for the last bit, often Fraser their appears to be is a pretty big chip on your shoulder.....it does you no credit especially as a moderator.

No chip on my shoulder, just don't think I've forgotten your past actions on here including a personal attack on me. Moderator or not, it doesn't matter.

husaberg

27th November 2022, 23:29

lol that wasn't Pritch's claim dear boy...do please keep up. Go try troll someone else. Idiot.

You made an assumption about what he may have meant. And even if your assumption was correct it would appear that despite suggestions they should withdraw from advertising on Twitter they haven't done so yet, so he'd still be wrong.

No chip on my shoulder, just don't think I've forgotten your past actions on here including a personal attack on me. Moderator or not, it doesn't matter.

again fraser you seem to be confused, i never said they had withdrawn or even iNfered they had. i was quite clear only their advertising agency, which is the largest advertising agency in the world, Had written an email advising them that they do.
Regardless ,you do seem to enjoy making the personal attacks fraser. That's both as a moderator and in your personal capacity.

There was a time when you had a sense of humour, tragically now it seems you have little sense and no humility at all.

ps Whoosh............

onearmedbandit

28th November 2022, 00:02

There was a time when you had a sense of humour, tragically now it seems you have little sense and no humility at all.

Oh I still have a sense of humour, I just don't with regards to people who attack me like you did. If you don't recall, it's when I challenged you to provide proof of allegations you were making and you were left wanting so you opted to go for a personal attack on me in the public arena. So you'll excuse me if I show total disdain for people of your type.

As for any of your other posts in here tonight you haven't shown that you are even on the same page. My accusation of 'sensationalist misinformation' was directed towards what Pritch had wrote, nothing to do with what you referred to. But then either you know that and are just trolling, or you're stupid. Which is it?

onearmedbandit

28th November 2022, 00:11

again fraser you seem to be confused, i never said they had withdrawn or ebven ibfered they had. i was quite clear only their advertising agency, which is the largest advertising agency in the world, Had written an email advising them that they do.
Regardless ,you do seem to enjoy making the personal attacks fraser. That's both as a moderator and in your personal capacity.

lol I'm the one confused? I was clearly referring to Pritch's comments about Apple having left Twitter, not to anything you said (other than you making assumptions about what Pritch meant). Maybe you should go have a read of what I posted. You'll see I refer to his claims as being 'sensationalist misinformation', I made no reference to anything you claimed about Apples current position other than to say that as of 5 days ago they were still advertising on Twitter.

Personal attacks? You mean when I called you an idiot? Wow. I'm so naughty.

TheDemonLord

28th November 2022, 06:27

Ref! He's playing the man, not the ball!

pritch

28th November 2022, 08:35

lol I'm the one confused? I was clearly referring to Pritch's comments about Apple having left Twitter,

Interesting. The Apple page itself doesn't seem active, but all the "trading" pages: music. podcasts, TV, etc etc are still there.

sugilite

28th November 2022, 08:54

Excuse me people, this is the Trump thread, please stay on topic :innocent::innocent::innocent:
Just kidding if course :laugh:

TheDemonLord

28th November 2022, 09:00

Excuse me people, this is the Trump thread, please stay on topic :innocent::innocent::innocent:
Just kidding if course :laugh:

I dunno about you - but kinda refreshing to sit in the stands and watch the game being played for once...

Fancy a beer?

onearmedbandit

28th November 2022, 09:14

Interesting. The Apple page itself doesn't seem active, but all the "trading" pages: music. podcasts, TV, etc etc are still there.

Their main account rarely if ever tweets so it appears inactive but this has been their strategy for a while now. Most promotion tweets are handled by the individual pages like Apple Music etc. So can we accept that your earlier claim regarding Apple having left Twitter were wrong? And that not all their executives have left?

husaberg

28th November 2022, 11:54

lol I'm the one confused? I was clearly referring to Pritch's comments about Apple having left Twitter, not to anything you said (other than you making assumptions about what Pritch meant). Maybe you should go have a read of what I posted. You'll see I refer to his claims as being 'sensationalist misinformation', I made no reference to anything you claimed about Apples current position other than to say that as of 5 days ago they were still advertising on Twitter.

Personal attacks? You mean when I called you an idiot? Wow. I'm so naughty.

Fraser you are a Gallus domesticus cacas ova.

pritch

28th November 2022, 16:23

So can we accept that your earlier claim regarding Apple having left Twitter were wrong? And that not all their executives have left?

Umm I wouldn't say I'd claimed it, but certainly I had seen it discussed and repeated it. At this stage it's true that the information does appear to have been wrong.

pritch

28th November 2022, 16:27

Excuse me people, this is the Trump thread, please stay on topic :innocent::innocent::innocent:
Just kidding if course :laugh:

Yeah, there was his fascist Thanksgiving lunch. Trump initially claimed that he didn't know the guys Kanye West brought with him. As if his Secret Service detail just let anybody into Mar a Lago who turns up at the gate..

onearmedbandit

28th November 2022, 17:33

Umm I wouldn't say I'd claimed it, but certainly I had seen it discussed and repeated it. At this stage it's true that the information does appear to have been wrong.

That's a matter of semantics, you made the claim on this forum. A 2 minute check would've avoided this misinformation being repeated. But anyway all good, thanks for acknowledging that the information was indeed incorrect. I know it probably won't mean much to you but I respect that.

pritch

29th November 2022, 07:38

That's a matter of semantics, you made the claim on this forum. A 2 minute check would've avoided this misinformation being repeated. But anyway all good, thanks for acknowledging that the information was indeed incorrect. I know it probably won't mean much to you but I respect that.

That's gentlemanly of you and no I'm not being sarcastic.

Very first tweets I saw this morning were as below. I don't think 'celebrities' read replies to their tweets, misapprehensions might be corrected if they did.

There are several more Musk comments in similar vein including a meme showing Musk going to war. Picking an unnecessary fight with Apple does not seem like the move of a genius.

TheDemonLord

29th November 2022, 07:44

Picking an unnecessary fight with Apple does not seem like the move of a genius.

I dunno... Have you met Mac users?

onearmedbandit

29th November 2022, 10:12

pritch

29th November 2022, 11:41

This is alleged to be a list of companies that have reduced or ceased advertising on Twitter. There are some BIG names in that list.

Interesting to see Diageo mentioned. They are not a favourite of mine and generally I will not buy anything from a brand they own. At last count they owned 29 different Scotch whisky distilleries producing about 100 different brands including Johnnie Walker. If a distillery needs updating they tend to install a computerised industrial process and get rid of as many staff as possible. That can lead to problems as with Lagavulin 16, a very popular whisky, which had problems with inconsistent batches after they'd updated the plant. Apart from my political objections, I'm not interested in paying $160 for a bottle of whisky on the basis of a 50/50 chance it might be OK. Actually I'm not normally interested in paying $160.00 anyway.

https://www.mediamatters.org/elon-musk/less-month-elon-musk-has-driven-away-half-twitters-top-100-advertisers

nerrrd

29th November 2022, 11:59

I dunno... Have you met Mac users?

Hey! Not many of us left these days, I would have thought, pick on someone your own size!

Don't lump us in with the iOS crowd.

TheDemonLord

29th November 2022, 12:02

Don't lump us in with the iOS crowd.

I don't discriminate, I hate all users of all Apple products equally :D

pritch

29th November 2022, 15:00

I dunno... Have you met Mac users?

Watching TV I get the impression that almost everybody uses Apple. Or should I say 'everybody else'?

If Musk pisses Apple off enough they could drop Twitter from the App Store and that would probably kill it off. He should avoid a legal squabble with Apple they have reportedly got a huge fighting fund stashed away.

TheDemonLord

29th November 2022, 15:06

Watching TV I get the impression that almost everybody uses Apple. Or should I say 'everybody else'?

If Musk pisses Apple off enough they could drop Twitter from the App Store and that would probably kill it off. He should avoid a legal squabble with Apple they have reportedly got a huge fighting fund stashed away.

The only place they have any claim to dominance really is the Smart phone market - but even then, they are pretty much tied with Samsung (it's fractions of a percent between the two companies).

It would be a good marketing ploy from Google to point out they have Twitter...

husaberg

29th November 2022, 17:33

Very first tweets I saw this morning were as below. I don't think 'celebrities' read replies to their tweets, misapprehensions might be corrected if they did.

There are several more Musk comments in similar vein including a meme showing Musk going to war. Picking an unnecessary fight with Apple does not seem like the move of a genius.

Not just Apple..

Musk has made his own shots at Apple and Google, criticising the “duopoly” last week.

“App store fees are obviously too high due to the iOS/Android duopoly,” he said.

“It is a hidden 30 per cent tax on the internet.”

Musk told Wheeler that he would build his own phone if Twitter got banned from Apple and Google’s app stores, the official gateways to iPhone and Android devices across the globe.
“I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone,” Musk tweeted.

Both Apple and Google have policies that ban apps in its stores from containing hate or discriminatory speech, bullying, harassment, and sexually explicit content. In the aftermath of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, Apple and Google kicked Parler off their app stores for its role in helping rioters plan the event, although it was allowed back after making changes. Kanye West, who legally changed his name to Ye, is reportedly in talks to buy Parler.

Former Twitter head of trust and safety, Yoel Roth, said that the social media giant risks being expelled from Apple and Google's app stores if they fail to adhere to guidelines.

Speaking to the New York Times, Mr Roth said, "Failure to adhere to Apple's and Google's guidelines would be catastrophic, risking Twitter's expulsion from their app stores and making it more difficult for billions of potential users to get Twitter's services. This gives Apple and Google enormous power to shape the decisions Twitter makes."

this is an odd thing to do if a few months ago

Google announced that its cloud unit has won a deal to supply computing and networking resources to Elon Musk’s SpaceX to help deliver internet service through the latter’s Starlink satellites.
The Starlink satellite internet will rely on Google’s private fiber-optic network to quickly make connections to cloud services as part of a deal that could last seven years

unless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcnXkGNVUOg
However, industry insiders expect the company to launch its first smartphone late next year or in early 2024.
which translates to about 5 human years i guess
I say this as the tesla semi is at least 5 years overdue.

On the Semi musk said that the windshield would be "explosion-proof."
remember the bullet proof cyber truck screen
That cyber truck is currenty 2 years at least late

george formby

30th November 2022, 11:47

Seditious conspiracy conviction.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63802649

pritch

30th November 2022, 13:04

Trump has yet another problem. The Inspector General of the IRS is investigating whether he instructed the IRS to audit James Comey and Andrew McCabe both former heads of the FBI. (He apparently did, and General John Kelly his former Chief of Staff says he has proof.) There is a specific law against a president either ordering the IRS to start an audit or to stop one. Penalty up to five years in the big house.

pritch

2nd December 2022, 08:49

In more bad news for Trump some of the "tourists" and "peaceful demonstrators" have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy. Conspiring to overthrow the government. Those convicted could face serious time, up to sixty years? And there are more to come as the government works their way up a long list.

Seditious conspiracy is apparently a difficult charge to make stick. The guilty verdicts in this case do make it slightly easier to nail the accused in the following cases.

Next up the Proud Boys? "Stand back and stand by."

1/32 man

2nd December 2022, 09:33

"Stand back and stand by."

I'll sit down, thanks.....watching and waiting and hoping

george formby

2nd December 2022, 09:41

Laava

2nd December 2022, 12:14

Next up the Proud Boys? "Stand back and stand by."

Getting a bit boring now tho isnt it? Waiting for all these dumbarse american rednecks to get their comeuppence.
Stupid cunts just didnt think.it through did they?

Berries

2nd December 2022, 14:32

Article on Stewart Rhodes family.
Jesus.

Now Duran Duran are involved?

husaberg

2nd December 2022, 17:51

1/32 man

2nd December 2022, 19:14

It's a witch hunt or should it be a which hunt?

Where is TDL these days?

TheDemonLord

2nd December 2022, 19:33

It's a witch hunt or should it be a which hunt?

Where is TDL these days?

Speak of the Demon Lord, and he shall appear.

At the moment, with the exception of Twitter, nothing much of interest is going on. When there is the inevitable correction for what has happened, then it will get exceedingly interesting.

pritch

3rd December 2022, 08:31

I'll sit down, thanks.....watching and waiting and hoping

That quote, "Stand back and stand by" was Donald J Trump on TV addressing the Proud Boys. When the case gets to court in the nearish future part of their defence will likely be that they thought they were acting in accordance with the Presiden't wishes on Jan 6th. At about that point I would expect Trump's quote to make an appearance as evidence.

pritch

3rd December 2022, 09:01

At the moment, with the exception of Twitter, nothing much of interest is going on.

As all will be aware Musk has been trumpeting "free speech" and reinstating people who had previously been banned. Among them Kanye West who then commenced ranting about liking Nazis, Hitler, and expressing anti Jewish sentiments. Musk decided to temporarily suspend West who reacted by insulting Musk personally, thereby earning himself a new permanent ban.

Musk's concept of "free speech" has its limitations.

TheDemonLord

3rd December 2022, 09:17

As all will be aware Musk has been trumpeting "free speech" and reinstating people who had previously been banned. Among them Kanye West who then commenced ranting about liking Nazis, Hitler, and expressing anti Jewish sentiments.

I've not heard the Nazi and Hitler parts - I have heard him talking about The Jews and being in control of certain media entities, an entirely Anti-Jewish sentiment.. Which, for the record, I find completely intolerable. But I have not heard the Nazi and Hitler parts.

Interestingly enough, Kanye seems to have adopted the Black Israelite position on the Jews (and I remember when they were a protected group...)

Musk decided to temporarily suspend West who reacted by insulting Musk personally, thereby earning himself a new permanent ban.

Musk's concept of "free speech" has its limitations.

Well, So far, he's done a sterling job of cleaning up various 'known' methods of sharing CP on Twitter (one wonders, how the Twitter board of Safety could determine violent intent of someone referring to a Biological Male, yet struggled to stop Pedophiles... One Wonders...), He's been banning Antifa accounts and other accounts that have been 'allowed' on Twitter (because they hold the same political leanings as the prior Masters), despite objectively breaching Twitter's rules. His policy seems to be (for the most part):

"So long as it's not illegal, you can say it"

There's a good argument to be made that what Kanye has been doing has fallen afoul of that.

I'm enjoying this corrective period.

pritch

3rd December 2022, 11:00

I've not heard the Nazi and Hitler parts

F'rinstance he was on Alex Jone's channel. Jones laughed and tried to stop him but he carried on. Jones cut to a break. When you are going too far for Jones you are definitely out there.

yet struggled to stop Pedophiles... One Wonders...), He's been banning Antifa accounts and other accounts that have been 'allowed' on Twitter (because they hold the same political leanings as the prior Masters), despite objectively breaching Twitter's rules. His policy seems to be (for the most part):

The pedophile thing is pure fiction. Twitter would be a silly place for pedos to gather, it makes no sense at all.

That the former masters were lefties isn't much better. Jack taking a holiday in Myanmar which is under a military dictatorship and was engaged in ethnic cleansing at the time is hardly indicative of left wing leanings.

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 11:02

I've not heard the Nazi and Hitler parts - I have heard him talking about The Jews and being in control of certain media entities, an entirely Anti-Jewish sentiment.. Which, for the record, I find completely intolerable. But I have not heard the Nazi and Hitler parts.

Interestingly enough, Kanye seems to have adopted the Black Israelite position on the Jews (and I remember when they were a protected group...)

It's been pretty big talk the past 24hrs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ye-kanye-west-infowars-alex-jones-video-interview-elon-musk-rcna59693
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kanye-west-alex-jones-i-like-hitler-1234639617/

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 11:05

The pedophile thing is pure fiction. Twitter would be a silly place for pedos to gather, it makes no sense at all.

Is that your opinion or fact?

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 11:11

The reason I ask is I remember many many years ago a pedophile ring being busted that was operating in plain sight under the guise of a 'fishing club'. They had terms for child abuse that used fishing terminology and no one was the wiser until a member of the ring's computer was in for repairs and the discovery was made.

TheDemonLord

3rd December 2022, 11:30

F'rinstance he was on Alex Jone's channel. Jones laughed and tried to stop him but he carried on. Jones cut to a break. When you are going too far for Jones you are definitely out there.

Ironically, after I posted that, I saw the clip...

I mean I've gone on record to say I don't care for Alex Jones, so no wonder I was a bit late on that one.

My Bad.

The clip I saw was interesting though - cause Kanye was saying that all people have good qualities, even Hitler. It seemed to me that Kanye was taking the redemptive christian viewpoint of no one is beyond saving...

But holy fuck was it clumsy - and you're dead right on the last point, when Alex Jones is going 'Phew this is a bit Spicy'...

The pedophile thing is pure fiction. Twitter would be a silly place for pedos to gather, it makes no sense at all.

"Hidden in plain sight"

As OAB indicated, there have been verified Pedo rings busted on Twitter, create a bunch of terms that are ambiguous enough so as to not draw suspicion of the casual passer-by, but have a specific meaning known to those who are your target audience.

That the former masters were lefties isn't much better. Jack taking a holiday in Myanmar which is under a military dictatorship and was engaged in ethnic cleansing at the time is hardly indicative of left wing leanings.

Au Contraire, that's end-point of every far-left Government....

pritch

3rd December 2022, 16:05

Is that your opinion or fact?

Opinion only, based on how Twitter works. It's totally public, they are more likely using Tor. The Republicans bang on endlessly about child abuse, but you should consider that almost all politicians that turn out to be deviants are Republicans. And it's not a short list.

R650R

3rd December 2022, 17:47

F'rinstance he was on Alex Jone's channel. Jones laughed and tried to stop him but he carried on. Jones cut to a break. When you are going too far for Jones you are definitely out there.

.

As said before Jones is controlled opposition a gatekeeper for the truth. He ALWAYS cuts to a break when someone is about to reveal something juicy.
If I had a dollar for everytime one of Jones guests announced they a bout to reveal a secret and whams he plays intro music hold that thought and cuts to a break.....
Nothing ‘revealed’ on the Jones show is not already public info with a bit of reading other sources....

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 17:55

Opinion only, based on how Twitter works. It's totally public, they are more likely using Tor. The Republicans bang on endlessly about child abuse, but you should consider that almost all politicians that turn out to be deviants are Republicans. And it's not a short list.

So unlikely but not completely out of the question. It takes all sorts to make this world run, and that extends to criminals. Some of whom get off in almost flaunting their activity, feeling they can act with impunity, right in front of the authorities at times. And if you were to question the mind and motivations of someone like that, you'd need to also question the mind of someone who would abuse a child in the first place. In my opinion, and this is not meant to be a criticism of you, to think that it is 'pure fiction' is on the verge of being naive.

I'm not making any statement on politicians so I don't need to consider anything. I don't care if you're left, right, straight, gay, black, white, whatever. No one group is exempt from committing atrocities. But as you raised the subject here is the first result of a google search. I haven't fact checked every case but it seems to be a pretty even spread. (Post was from 3yrs ago)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/77861810

Federal political sexual scandals also seem to be pretty spread too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_Unit ed_States

sugilite

3rd December 2022, 18:19

Speak of the Demon Lord, and he shall appear.

At the moment, with the exception of Twitter, nothing much of interest is going on. When there is the inevitable correction for what has happened, then it will get exceedingly interesting.

Translation - trump is having his arse handed to him so often, TDL is taking a break :lol:
I never get tired of Trump losing, it has been an all you can eat buffet of late!

TheDemonLord

3rd December 2022, 18:19

Opinion only, based on how Twitter works. It's totally public, they are more likely using Tor.

If I had to hazard a guess... I would say that the actual illegal stuff is off Twitter, however the Organizing, networking, sending of links etc. would all be very easy to do via Twitter, especially if it was 'encoded' with words that didn't trigger any filters.

The Republicans bang on endlessly about child abuse, but you should consider that almost all politicians that turn out to be deviants are Republicans. And it's not a short list.

I don't doubt that there are Republican deviants, however, Openness as a character trait is closely associated with the Left Wing, and guess which character trait would lead one to want to discover new experiences?

Not to mention the Communist activist roots of organizations such as NAMBLA...
Or Drag Queen Story hour...
Or Books in school libraries with graphic depictions of two people blowing each other...

That said, as per OAB, it seems a fairly even split, perhaps it's more that the News Media you consume has a Left Wing bias to it and so skip over when their guys do something wrong - but loudly proclaim when it's someone on the right?

TheDemonLord

3rd December 2022, 18:21

Translation - trump is having his arse handed to him so often, TDL is taking a break :lol:
I never get tired of Trump losing, it has been an all you can eat buffet of late!

All I'm seeing is a continuation of the Kangaroo Court that has been gunning for Trump since 2016.

sugilite

3rd December 2022, 18:36

All I'm seeing is a continuation of the Kangaroo Court that has been gunning for Trump since 2016.

Ill say, the latest kangaroo court judge being Cannon having her credibility ripped apart by the ultra conservative appeals court. Byebye special master. :laugh:
And that was just today's action :laugh:
Or are you still stuck in 2016?

TheDemonLord

3rd December 2022, 18:55

Ill say, the latest kangaroo court judge being Cannon having her credibility ripped apart by the ultra conservative appeals court. Byebye special master. :laugh:
And that was just today's action :laugh:
Or are you still stuck in 2016?

More like, I'm looking forward to approximately 2025 (at current rates) when all the collusion is revealed and show it was one big hoax concocted by the Democrat party and partisan functionaries.

husaberg

3rd December 2022, 19:48

Federal political sexual scandals also seem to be pretty spread too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_Unit ed_States

Since 1990 42 rep vs 15 Dem.

Its almost 3 times higher rate for reptilicunts
considering they are pretty evenly numbered as officials almost three times higher is statistically significant.

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 20:07

Since 1990 42 rep vs 15 Dem.

Its almost 3 times higher rate for reptilicunts
considering they are pretty evenly numbered as officials almost three times higher is statistically significant.

Very good point. And from 1900-79 it was 13 in favour of the democrats against 3 republicans, now if my math is correct that is over 4 times higher. Considering they are pretty evenly numbered as officials over four times higher is statistically significant.

Seems there is good and bad on both sides. Wow who'da thunk it....

husaberg

3rd December 2022, 20:30

Very good point. And from 1900-79 it was 13 in favour of the democrats against 3 republicans, now if my math is correct that is over 4 times higher. Considering they are pretty evenly numbered as officials over four times higher is statistically significant.

Seems there is good and bad on both sides. Wow who'da thunk it....

Only that doesn't even it up, as its only 16 entries

as that would be 28 dem vs 45 rep
If you look at the accusations having affairs or alleged affairs' is a large number of Dem's entries.
there is also a lot of notable omissions
Jack Ryan springs to mind who liked to take his wife (Jeri Ryan od star trek fame ) to sex clubs
https://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/22/ryan.divorce/
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5386298

But whatever....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_ crimes
75 rep convictions vs 52 dems 1900 to now

TheDemonLord

3rd December 2022, 20:32

as that would be 28 vs 45
If you look at the accusations having affairs or alleged affairs' is a large number of Dem's entries.

Well, The Democrats told us that we must believe all women, so....

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 20:46

Only that doesn't even it up, as its only 16 entries

as that would be 28 dem vs 45 rep
If you look at the accusations having affairs or alleged affairs' is a large number of Dem's entries.
there is also a lot of notable omissions
Jack Ryan springs to mind who liked to take his wife (Jeri Ryan od star trek fame ) to sex clubs
https://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/22/ryan.divorce/
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5386298

But whatever....

I'll give republican representatives appear on that list 53 times over 38 for the democrats. Still not 'almost all'. But that wasn't even addressing Pritch's claim of "but you should consider that almost all politicians that turn out to be deviants are Republicans", as by the list both on Wiki and the other link in my post prove that to be a wild exaggeration.

Surely you can admit there are bad people on each side? And good people too?

husaberg

3rd December 2022, 21:03

I'll give republican representatives appear on that list 53 times over 38 for the democrats. Still not 'almost all'. But that wasn't even addressing Pritch's claim of "but you should consider that almost all politicians that turn out to be deviants are Republicans", as by the list both on Wiki and the other link in my post prove that to be a wild exaggeration.

Surely you can admit there are bad people on each side? And good people too?

for your chosen age range it was 45 vs 28..

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 21:14

for your chosen age range it was 45 vs 28..

Are you sure that was my chosen range? Because I seem to recall I chose 1900-1979. I mean you even quoted it.

onearmedbandit

3rd December 2022, 21:16

But anyway this is moving away from my original point, in which I used those two sites to illustrate Pritch's claim was incorrect. That's all. Nothing more. And you know that.

sugilite

4th December 2022, 06:47

More like, I'm looking forward to approximately 2025 (at current rates) when all the collusion is revealed and show it was one big hoax concocted by the Democrat party and partisan functionaries.

While you wait for 2025, i just need wait until tomorrow for another trump disaster :lol:
Just this last week, the dems got his tax returns, he waved goodbye to his special master, his trump org cfo got convicted, and that is just the highlights :laugh:

But by all means, do enjoy your wait until 2025 :yes:

TheDemonLord

4th December 2022, 06:53

While you wait for 2025, i just need wait until tomorrow for another trump disaster :lol:
Just this last week, the dems got his tax returns, he waved goodbye to his special master, his trump org cfo got convicted, and that is just the highlights :laugh:

But by all means, do enjoy your wait until 2025 :yes:

Oh, I will - still no conviction for Trump though ;)

sugilite

4th December 2022, 07:15

Oh, I will - still no conviction for Trump though ;)

It is almost as if you have written a script to alert you the second i post of late. :bleh:

Look, no one likes a serial baddy in a movie to take a clean shot to the head for an unjust quick death. A slow tortuous exceedingly painful death is a vastly more satisfying and just end. And that is what is happening here with trump.
Never trumpers like myself get to paddle with delight in the near daily puddles of trumps tears.

I bet when you jumped on the trump train those few short years ago - sure in the knowledge of hours of guaranteed trolling would await, that in doing so you would also have to endure a never ending avalanche of crushing loss after loss after loss with accompanying grinding of ones teeth that also came with being a blind trump supporter. I mean, do you have any teeth left, or are you onto carbon fibre reinforced dentures now?

TheDemonLord

4th December 2022, 08:07

It is almost as if you have written a script to alert you the second i post of late. :bleh:

Nah, I'm chilling at home on my laptop and periodically check KB.

Look, no one likes a serial baddy in a movie to take a clean shot to the head for an unjust quick death. A slow tortuous exceedingly painful death is a vastly more satisfying and just end. And that is what is happening here with trump.
Never trumpers like myself get to paddle with delight in the near daily puddles of trumps tears.

I'll grant you it's torturous... but not in the way you think.

What you think is Justice, I see as flagrant corruption and abuse of power - and I'm certain that such actions will, eventually, get their comeuppance. And when that happens, those responsible will cry out in terror for Mercy, only to be damned by the standards that they enforced on others.

And it will be Glorious.

Just like when the Atlantic published an article pleading for a Covid Amnesty that was widely ridiculed and refuted.

Just like Elon and Twitter - we are seeing validation and vindication of what people like myself have been saying for years - that in major institutions (both private and public) there is a dominant Left Wing bias that has been tilting the playing field.

Just like the creeping realization amongst the parents of Children seeing the degree of indoctrination happening in public schools by activist 'teachers'.

And in the same vein, I'm certain at this point (based on the pattern of events) that all the charges being thrown at Trump personally won't stick, there will be some people who will get tangential convictions (although even those, I would consider fruit of the poisoned tree), Trump will emerge free from conviction, I'll make a point of everytime you call him a Criminal, to post your own quote about how ever many lost lawsuits it was and then there will be some major change and we will get a release of records that will show there has been (at best) improper collusion/corruption between the Democrat party and various Government institutions that were predicated on false or dubious information.

I bet when you jumped on the trump train those few short years ago - sure in the knowledge of hours of guaranteed trolling would await, that in doing so you would also have to endure a never ending avalanche of crushing loss after loss after loss with accompanying grinding of ones teeth that also came with being a blind trump supporter. I mean, do you have any teeth left, or are you onto carbon fibre reinforced dentures now?

It was easy to endure the low Petrol prices, the growing economy, the decrease in global conflict etc. ;)

And Biden has shown just how good a President (if not person) that Trump was. It took Biden all over about 6 months to fuck everything up, and he's been making it worse ever since.

I will grant you though, my initial enjoyment of Trump was seeing someone who said exactly what he thought and gave zero fucks. Very much similar to the Dave Chappelle position on Trump.

However, what earned my hardened support of him was seeing the effects his policies were having. Trolling is one thing, making the world a better place is another.

husaberg

4th December 2022, 09:48

But anyway this is moving away from my original point, in which I used those two sites to illustrate Pritch's claim was incorrect. That's all. Nothing more. And you know that.

The point i commented on was your post suggesting it was even number, only it isn't and was not even at all....
if i wanted to reply to Pritchs post i would have.

You then attempted to even it up with some fuzzy math's using figure from over a century ago.
% from one era vs another instead of actual numbers.
Even if you use your hand picked century old info it is still not even
So when we include your dates with what i posted Which are 1900 to now. its 51 vs 24 thats not even. Nor is it close to even.

sugilite

4th December 2022, 09:54

Nah, I'm chilling at home on my laptop and periodically check KB.

I'll grant you it's torturous... but not in the way you think.

What you think is Justice, I see as flagrant corruption and abuse of power - and I'm certain that such actions will, eventually, get their comeuppance. And when that happens, those responsible will cry out in terror for Mercy, only to be damned by the standards that they enforced on others.

And it will be Glorious.

Just like when the Atlantic published an article pleading for a Covid Amnesty that was widely ridiculed and refuted.

Just like Elon and Twitter - we are seeing validation and vindication of what people like myself have been saying for years - that in major institutions (both private and public) there is a dominant Left Wing bias that has been tilting the playing field.

Just like the creeping realization amongst the parents of Children seeing the degree of indoctrination happening in public schools by activist 'teachers'.

And in the same vein, I'm certain at this point (based on the pattern of events) that all the charges being thrown at Trump personally won't stick, there will be some people who will get tangential convictions (although even those, I would consider fruit of the poisoned tree), Trump will emerge free from conviction, I'll make a point of everytime you call him a Criminal, to post your own quote about how ever many lost lawsuits it was and then there will be some major change and we will get a release of records that will show there has been (at best) improper collusion/corruption between the Democrat party and various Government institutions that were predicated on false or dubious information.

It was easy to endure the low Petrol prices, the growing economy, the decrease in global conflict etc. ;)

And Biden has shown just how good a President (if not person) that Trump was. It took Biden all over about 6 months to fuck everything up, and he's been making it worse ever since.

I will grant you though, my initial enjoyment of Trump was seeing someone who said exactly what he thought and gave zero fucks. Very much similar to the Dave Chappelle position on Trump.

However, what earned my hardened support of him was seeing the effects his policies were having. Trolling is one thing, making the world a better place is another.

And im sure you will fully support his latest statement that the constitution can be bypassed in cases of unsubstantiated election fraud?

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/12/03/trumps-pre-runoff-message-terminate-the-constitution-00072059

That is one of the few things i like about Trump, is whilst you are desperately trying to defend him, he is simultaneously busy lighting the latest dumpster fire. The life of a trump apologist such as yourself is just so darned busy :lol:

Btw, depending on your current talking point, you can both say the US justice system works well, or is hopelessly corrupt, we do notice shit like that. :laugh:

onearmedbandit

4th December 2022, 10:12

The point i commented on was your post suggesting it was even number, only it isn't and was not even at all....
if i wanted to reply to Pritchs post i would have.

You then attempted to even it up with some fuzzy maths using figure from over a century ago.
% from one era vs another instead of actual numbers.
Even if you use your hand picked century old info it is still not even
So when we include you dates wit what i posted Which are 1900 to now. its 51 vs 24 thats not even. Nor is it close to even.

Ooooo wow so I said 'pretty even spread', my bad. You'll note I did not say an 'even number'. So where is your retort to Pritch saying 'that almost all politicians that turn out to be deviants are Republicans'? Your bias is showing troll...

onearmedbandit

4th December 2022, 10:24

The point i commented on was your post suggesting it was even number, only it isn't and was not even at all....
if i wanted to reply to Pritchs post i would have.

You then attempted to even it up with some fuzzy maths using figure from over a century ago.
% from one era vs another instead of actual numbers.
Even if you use your hand picked century old info it is still not even
So when we include you dates wit what i posted Which are 1900 to now. its 51 vs 24 thats not even. Nor is it close to even.

But lets elevate this huh. I noticed you mentioned nothing of the other link, hmmmm I'm curious about that why you haven't mentioned that one. Oh would you look at that, democrats appear on that list more than republicans.....

Nothing but a troll. Well actually you're more than as troll, but I have no desire to earn an infraction....

onearmedbandit

4th December 2022, 10:39

And to reiterate, since comprehension is obviously very challenging for you, my point is there are bad on both sides, End of story. I have no further interest in discussing this with a troll.

husaberg

4th December 2022, 10:41

But lets elevate this huh. I noticed you mentioned nothing of the other link, hmmmm I'm curious about that why you haven't mentioned that one. Oh would you look at that, democrats appear on that list more than republicans.....

Nothing but a troll. Well actually you're more than as troll, but I have no desire to earn an infraction....

What other list do you refer to egg?
Gish gallop away..... you have already tried at least 5 of those in the last few posts. So why stop now...

onearmedbandit

4th December 2022, 10:45

What other list do you refer to egg?
Gish gallop away..... you have already tried at least 5 of those in the last few posts. So why stop now...

lol open your eyes. My god you are thick.

husaberg

4th December 2022, 10:48

lol open your eyes. My god you are thick.

I remember getting an infraction from you for using almost those exact words...
kind of ironic aye fraser.

Ooooo wow so I said 'pretty even spread', my bad. You'll note I did not say an 'even number'. So where is your retort to Pritch saying 'that almost all politicians that turn out to be deviants are Republicans'? Your bias is showing troll...
Again i replied to your post....So why do you keep trying to insist i should address another issue or post.

I have no further interest in discussing this with a troll.
your posts show otherwise.....

onearmedbandit

4th December 2022, 10:55

I remember getting an infraction from you for using almost those exact words...
kind of ironic aye fraser.

Please provide proof of your claim. I checked the infractions I have given you and there are none that are close to what you are claiming that I can see. Regardless, if you have a problem with me calling you thick then report me

Again i replied to your post....So why do you keep trying to insist i should address another issue or post.

your posts show otherwise.....

Because it is more relevant to the point I was making. Just because it doesn't support your slant doesn't mean it isn't worthy. Democrats feature more on that list of sexual deviancy than republicans. Thick.

pritch

4th December 2022, 10:57

Saw this today. Amazing. Trump wants to be reinstated as president and all laws including the constitution to be suspended to facilitate this.
No, he's not crazy at all.

husaberg

4th December 2022, 11:19

Please provide proof of your claim. I checked the infractions I have given you and there are none that are close to what you are claiming that I can see. Regardless, if you have a problem with me calling you thick then report me

Unreserved apologies you are correct, it was in fact gremlin that infracted me for calling someone thick (pretty sure the exact word i used was stupid)
but it is odd that the last 7 infraction's i have had have all been from you wouldn't you say..
just as well that KB has such vigorous rules that these rules apply evenly to everyone including moderators.
'For the record I have no problem with you calling me thick, only the hypocrisy of you doing so and the reasoning and motivations that make you need to resort to personal attacks, whilst at the same time vilifying others.

Because it is more relevant to the point I was making. Just because it doesn't support your slant doesn't mean it isn't worthy. Democrats feature more on that list of sexual deviancy than republicans. Thick.

again the list you linked which i replied to does not suggest what you are again claiming.
1900 to now.sex scandal's its 51 rep vs 24 dem.

Again if you case is so strong why do you need to use personal insults and refer to points i never made with endless gish gallops rather than address the point the ones i did which showed your post was misleading.
you can't claim the moral high ground Fraser if you are not even parked in the vicinity....

TheDemonLord

4th December 2022, 11:32

And im sure you will fully support his latest statement that the constitution can be bypassed in cases of unsubstantiated election fraud?

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/12/03/trumps-pre-runoff-message-terminate-the-constitution-00072059

That is one of the few things i like about Trump, is whilst you are desperately trying to defend him, he is simultaneously busy lighting the latest dumpster fire. The life of a trump apologist such as yourself is just so darned busy :lol:

Given the context of what he's responding to (namely the collusion/corruption between the Democrats and Silicon Valley), his point of 'If they aren't going to play by the rules, then neither should we' is not as incendiary as you would like it to be.

To quote Rambo:

"They drew First Blood Sir, not me"

There is a coming reckoning, an equal reaction to the action(s) of the last decade.

Btw, depending on your current talking point, you can both say the US justice system works well, or is hopelessly corrupt, we do notice shit like that. :laugh:

Well... Can you find a post from me ridiculing the US Justice system based on the Election results cases? I'm fairly certain my position has always been "I do not have enough evidence to meet the threshold of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'".

In terms of the US justice system working well or being hopelessly corrupt - I mean, I can think of a number of very high profile cases recently where the Left has screeched about it being hopelessly corrupt, whilst trumpeting all the cases being bought (pun intended) against Trump...

For my actual perspective - it seems clear to me that there are a number of people in positions of power who have a personal vendetta against Trump, the NYC AG as a textbook example and they are using their position and influence to launch bogus investigations into Trump.

Just look at the Jan 6th pantomime - no one cares. The viewership ratings are abysmal, all bar one of the Republicans that crossed the floor got Voted out or 'retired' (Jumped instead of pushed) - that's not to say that some people shouldn't be convicted of Vandalism, Criminal damage etc. but the sedition convictions (for example) are naught but Political persecution.

So there is some corruption and if I give you the most charitable version, there is a baseline of corruption that exists in all systems, where people of overlapping spheres of power and influence interact.

It is my view that what we are seeing is an ideologically driven leveraging of that corruption to the point where it exceeds what is 'acceptable'. And that there will be consequences.

onearmedbandit

4th December 2022, 11:58

Unreserved apologies you are correct, it was in fact gremlin that infracted me for calling someone thick (pretty sure the exact word i used was stupid)
but it is odd that the last 7 infraction's i have had have all been from you wouldn't you say..
just as well that KB has such vigorous rules that these rules apply evenly to everyone including moderators.

If you have issue with the way I've moderated posts here then please take it to the site admin. See what their opinion is. I'll be very surprised if they feel I've acted with bias or malicious intent.

'For the record I have no problem with you calling me thick, only the hypocrisy of your reasoning and motivations tuotehat make you need to resort to personal attacks, whilst at the same time vilifying others.

On a personal level I make no bones about the fact that I do not like you due to the way you have behaved on the forum in the past. Being a moderator doesn't not exclude me from thinking this. And I'm careful to make sure that I moderate with no bias. But lets be honest here, you have deserved every infraction given by myself and any other moderator. Once again if you feel this isn't so take it up with a site admin for clarification.

again the list you linked which i replied to does not suggest what you are again claiming.
1900 to now.sex scandal's its 51 rep vs 24 dem.

Look closer at my post, you will see there are two links there. Look at them both. They both indicate that Pritch was indeed wrong in his claim. But seeing as this is obviously too much to ask of you I'll link it again. Once more, I was purely using this to illustrate that Pritch was wrong with his claim.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/77861810

Again if you case is so strong why do you need to use personal insults

Because I tire easily of your bullshit. And I don't have a high opinion of you.

This is pointless however, you and I will never see eye to eye. I should've kept to my word earlier and stopped entertaining your posts. Now I will. Feel free to have the last word.

TheDemonLord

4th December 2022, 12:05

If you have issue with the way I've moderated posts here then please take it to the site admin. See what their opinion is. I'll be very surprised if they feel I've acted with bias or malicious intent.

On a personal level I make no bones about the fact that I do not like you due to the way you have behaved on the forum in the past. Being a moderator doesn't not exclude me from thinking this. And I'm careful to make sure that I moderate with no bias. But lets be honest here, you have deserved every infraction given by myself and any other moderator. Once again if you feel this isn't so take it up with a site admin for clarification.

Look closer at my post, you will see there are two links there. Look at them both. They both indicate that Pritch was indeed wrong in his claim. But seeing as this is obviously too much to ask of you I'll link it again. Once more, I was purely using this to illustrate that Pritch was wrong with his claim.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/77861810

Because I tire easily of your bullshit. And I don't have a high opinion of you.

This is pointless however, you and I will never see eye to eye. I should've kept to my word earlier and stopped entertaining your posts. Now I will. Feel free to have the last word.

All I'm going to say is this:

When Husa is loosing the argument, he makes a jab at you personally or your status as a moderator and you take the bait.

Don't be tempted to play the Man.

onearmedbandit

4th December 2022, 12:09

All I'm going to say is this:

When Husa is loosing the argument, he makes a jab at you personally or your status as a moderator and you take the bait.

Don't be tempted to play the Man.

Yeah you're right. Cheers.

husaberg

4th December 2022, 12:42

. And I'm careful to make sure that I moderate with no bias. .

interesting

Everyone's biased. Every. Single. Person.

I'll be very surprised if they feel I've acted with bias or malicious intent.
As would i, but for entirely different reasons as groups that investigate themselves hardly ever find fault with their own peoples actions.
That is why people are expected to declare conflicts of interest and excuse themselves in such situations when there would be a potential conflict of interest . You are of course above such actions of course....
You can claim what you want, but you constantly attempt to claim a claim moral high ground and then openly abuse people on the forum. This is the high point of hypocrisy. But as has been said before it Ashley's site not a democracy.

Look closer at my post, you will see there are two links there. Look at them both. They both indicate that Pritch was indeed wrong in his claim. But seeing as this is obviously too much to ask of you I'll link it again. Once more, I was purely using this to illustrate that Pritch was wrong with his claim.

So when i posted your link was wrong, as its wasn't a even distribution with over the last 40 years was almost a 3 to one repubican number compared to the dems and over 120 years it was 2 -1 and i repeatedly linked the post gave the numbers to show what you had posted did not support your argument.
You now wish to claim that even i never even identified alluded to, or mentioned, or read the link that i never replied to.
That makes everything i have shown that i have replied to in the clear numbers i have shown in your link that did not support what you posted is somehow invalid.
So I was wrong (in your mind) to suggest that the clearly identified link (that you linked), that i clearly responded too, did not anyway support your own argument. ....Wow that's an interesting thought pattern to say the least.

.Because I tire easily of your bullshit. And I don't have a high opinion of you.

This is pointless however, you and I will never see eye to eye. I should've kept to my word earlier and stopped entertaining your posts. Now I will. Feel free to have the last word.

You are an egg Fraser

pritch

7th December 2022, 11:20

First nail in the coffin?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/06/trump-organization-guilty-verdict-tax-fraud

And for those who don't like the Guardian:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/12/06/trump-organization-found-guilty-of-tax-fraud-at-trial/?sh=708c706c7e73

pritch

7th December 2022, 20:45

Warnock retains his senate seat. Biden becomes the first president since 1934 to not lose a single seat held by his own party.
Biden is a winner. Trump is the world's biggest loser.

husaberg

7th December 2022, 20:57

Warnock retains his senate seat. Biden becomes the first president since 1934 to not lose a single seat held by his own party.
Biden is a winner. Trump is the world's biggest loser.

Considering Biden is as old as methuselah
As boring as batshit
plus has about as much charisma as a bowl of mash potato's
Just how shit does that make trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzT_0tQQnB0

Hoonicorn

7th December 2022, 22:17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3M4br46s7A

pritch

9th December 2022, 09:44

South Park summed it up, to quote from memory, "You only ever get a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich."

sugilite

9th December 2022, 11:39

Given the context of what he's responding to (namely the collusion/corruption between the Democrats and Silicon Valley), his point of 'If they aren't going to play by the rules, then neither should we' is not as incendiary as you would like it to be.
So you are ok with dropping the constitution into the toilet because someone not running for president was a naughty boy is justified.
Noted for future reference ;)

To quote Rambo:

"They drew First Blood Sir, not me"

There is a coming reckoning, an equal reaction to the action(s) of the last decade.
OK, so 2 wrongs make a right.....wing nutjob. Noted.
Lets put that reckoning on your wait tab shall we?

Well... Can you find a post from me ridiculing the US Justice system based on the Election results cases? I'm fairly certain my position has always been "I do not have enough evidence to meet the threshold of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'".

In terms of the US justice system working well or being hopelessly corrupt - I mean, I can think of a number of very high profile cases recently where the Left has screeched about it being hopelessly corrupt, whilst trumpeting all the cases being bought (pun intended) against Trump...
Actually I' was talking about you being able to explain away the 90% jailing of black people for drug offenses over white people due to no baby daddies, and you brushing of the shit ton of corrupt judges. Oh yes, according to you the US justice system is all hunky dory, until it does not suit your argument :laugh:

For my actual perspective - it seems clear to me that there are a number of people in positions of power who have a personal vendetta against Trump, the NYC AG as a textbook example and they are using their position and influence to launch bogus investigations into Trump.
So Trump can publicly say that overvaluing or devaluing company assets is the done thing, and the New York AG should ignore it? Pffft

Just look at the Jan 6th pantomime - no one cares. The viewership ratings are abysmal, all bar one of the Republicans that crossed the floor got Voted out or 'retired' (Jumped instead of pushed) - that's not to say that some people shouldn't be convicted of Vandalism, Criminal damage etc. but the sedition convictions (for example) are naught but Political persecution.

18 million for the final episode, hardly nobody - despite the right wing newsgroups pretending it was not happening, but media suppression is only an issue for TDL when it is the left doing it :bleh:
www.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2022-07-22%2Fabout-18-million-people-tuned-in-to-finale-of-jan-6-hearings&

So there is some corruption and if I give you the most charitable version, there is a baseline of corruption that exists in all systems, where people of overlapping spheres of power and influence interact.

It is my view that what we are seeing is an ideologically driven leveraging of that corruption to the point where it exceeds what is 'acceptable'. And that there will be consequences.
Quite, hence the Trump organization being found guilty on all 12 charges :laugh:

sugilite

9th December 2022, 12:18

I mean, I'll take the quote Hillary committed a Crime?
I believe so yes - she should be held accountable, but in my opinion the US justice system failed, as they have for trumps crimes many times.

It did, didn't it? Even Pritch acknowledged that almost all the polling was pointing that way. Oh well, the states that have gone deep red like Florida will continue to prove the point as to which type of governance people want.
Yep, not the Trump kind - I mean the first government not to lose a senate seat since the 1930's despite inflation, high gas prices and all the other dem and Biden issues you love to spout. That goes to show just how deep in the toilet trump has dragged the GOP. As mentioned, the dems gave them trumps head on a chopping block with impeachment, and they were too cowardly to swing the sword. Now those gutless fuckers are paying the price. Your waiting for dem comeuppance ironically depends on Trump losing the gop nomination for president - aint that hilarious! :bleh:

And as for polls, yeah they got me again. I was adding on 5 to 7 percentage points to gop nominees due to the 2018 midterm and 2020 polling fuckups. At this point, who would be stupid enough to pay any attention to polls - certainly not me anymore.

Just two comments here:

1: Brilliant line
2: Are you saying you'd be any different?
She would not be my first choice, but probs not ;-)

Maybe, maybe not - there's been a lot of discussion on the Conservative side as to what happened, some more spicy than others. There has been comments about the picking of Candidates being overconfident - e.g. picking a strong candidate to go against a deep blue state, and picking someone like Dr Oz (who I have no particular feeling for) against someone with Brain Damage.
Trump picked a bunch of largely unqualified wackadoodles (to quote one of my American wife's eloquent terms) and paid the price.

This has nothing to do with Maga this or Maga that - this is just an articulation of the Facts, the only thing that ties Fred to being racist is a 1920 arrest. 100 years ago. No one has claimed since he was a raised, the arrest doesn't mention that he was a Klan member and we have to look at it in the context of the times.

If you have other evidence that he was a racist (actual documented evidence) - then by all means.
Fred being trumps father certainly helped shape trumps maga bullshit. Your premise is hilarious, so what - Fred Trump was arrested at a kkk rally he attended after hearing they had a mean as hot cross bun recipe? What you are basically saying is the only reason the boy was accused of getting his hand caught in the cookie jar, was the boys hand being caught in the cookie jar :laugh:
As for more evidence, there is this....
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

And Trump himself lunching with well known anti-Semites was not a great look :facepalm:

The people who you are insinuating would need to 'be brave' already outright hate Trump and are doing everything they can to smear him - so this line makes zero sense.
The point you consistently miss, is trumps wounds are pretty much 99% self inflicted. What did that top republican donor say? Thats right, trump is needlessly inflammatory".

I'm seeing calls for Trump to step aside and let Ron ascend - especially based on the Midterms - I'd still like a second Trump presidency, if only for the 'Fuck You' value it would provide.
I've since changed my mind after seeing an article saying desanctimonius is not up to taking on trump, and I agreed with the premise. Desanctimonious has a glass jaw as witnessed by him goldfishing for near 20 seconds when asked in a mid term debate if he would see out the governorship term since he was obviously preparing to run for president. One of the few things trump is good at is smacking back immediately, usually with an outlandish lie lol but snap back he does. The fact that sanctimonious did not anticipate that question is gob smacking to my mind. I now believe Trump will down Desantimonious, and go on to lose very, very badly in 24. You should of seen the highest rated fox news user comments on trumps constitution comment, he cleaved off yet another large chunk of independent and maga voters with that clanger. As mentioned, trumps ability for self harm know no bounds.

TheDemonLord

9th December 2022, 13:40

So you are ok with dropping the constitution into the toilet because someone not running for president was a naughty boy is justified.
Noted for future reference ;)

Well... What happened at Twitter? Again, allow me to point to the Democrat Congressman saying 'Wait a minute...'

OK, so 2 wrongs make a right.....wing nutjob. Noted.
Lets put that reckoning on your wait tab shall we?

Think of it more like Formula 1 - The other side is cheating already...

Actually I' was talking about you being able to explain away the 90% jailing of black people for drug offenses over white people due to no baby daddies, and you brushing of the shit ton of corrupt judges. Oh yes, according to you the US justice system is all hunky dory, until it does not suit your argument :laugh:

That's an interesting Stat.

Unfortunately I've heard a different take on it....

Namely Black community leaders, seeing the devastation being wrought in Black Communities by certain types of Drug offending predominant in their community called for tougher sentences. Which the Laws were written for and the Judges adhere to.

So Trump can publicly say that overvaluing or devaluing company assets is the done thing, and the New York AG should ignore it? Pffft

Before I answer this - I have a question:

Do you think he is wrong?

18 million for the final episode, hardly nobody - despite the right wing newsgroups pretending it was not happening, but media suppression is only an issue for TDL when it is the left doing it :bleh:
www.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2022-07-22%2Fabout-18-million-people-tuned-in-to-finale-of-jan-6-hearings&

If I look at Youtube (which is a Global audience) the Jan 6th Live streams have around 1-1.5 Million views - Contrast this with say the Johnny Depp trial, where just the highlights has 13 Million views, just on Youtube.

Bloomberg is behind a paywall, so I can't see how they came to that figure, but what I could see strongly suggests that the 18 million figure is including news segments in primetime news that ran stories on it.

1 vs 13 - and you wonder why I say 'no one cared' - 1 million vs a country of 330 Million.

Quite, hence the Trump organization being found guilty on all 12 charges :laugh:

But not Trump himself. And what I've read of the charges - suffice to say I'm dubious.

TheDemonLord

9th December 2022, 13:56

I believe so yes - she should be held accountable, but in my opinion the US justice system failed, as they have for trumps crimes many times.

Fair

Yep, not the Trump kind - I mean the first government not to lose a senate seat since the 1930's despite inflation, high gas prices and all the other dem and Biden issues you love to spout. That goes to show just how deep in the toilet trump has dragged the GOP. As mentioned, the dems gave them trumps head on a chopping block with impeachment, and they were too cowardly to swing the sword. Now those gutless fuckers are paying the price. Your waiting for dem comeuppance ironically depends on Trump losing the gop nomination for president - aint that hilarious! :bleh:

And as for polls, yeah they got me again. I was adding on 5 to 7 percentage points to gop nominees due to the 2018 midterm and 2020 polling fuckups. At this point, who would be stupid enough to pay any attention to polls - certainly not me anymore.

I mean, the Polls have been interesting of late - this one was a big surprise admittedly - but I mean case in point - the Oz vs Fettermen race - I have no love for Dr Oz, I think I've made that clear. Fettermen however was clearly mentally compromised from his Stroke. This is not me hating on him, it's admirable for him to try and pull through - however does he support Fracking or not? He's given contradictory answers even if I allow for some translation - but he's an example of 'Vote Blue no matter who'

She would not be my first choice, but probs not ;-)

Exactly.

Trump picked a bunch of largely unqualified wackadoodles (to quote one of my American wife's eloquent terms) and paid the price.

Something that a lot of people have pointed out - Ben Shapiro in particular was very scathing of this.

Fred being trumps father certainly helped shape trumps maga bullshit. Your premise is hilarious, so what - Fred Trump was arrested at a kkk rally he attended after hearing they had a mean as hot cross bun recipe? What you are basically saying is the only reason the boy was accused of getting his hand caught in the cookie jar, was the boys hand being caught in the cookie jar :laugh:
As for more evidence, there is this....
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

Okay - in his entire life, we only have a singular instance that links Fred with any racial supremecists organizations. The evidence we have does not confirm if he was a part of the Rally, only that he was there. And again, we have to look at that in the context of the 1930s when the Klan was much more socially acceptable. To the point where regular people wouldn't be averse to being in close proximity.

If he was the raging Racist that is being implied - a little more evidence is required.

And Trump himself lunching with well known anti-Semites was not a great look :facepalm:

Yeah... That was Dumb.

The point you consistently miss, is trumps wounds are pretty much 99% self inflicted. What did that top republican donor say? Thats right, trump is needlessly inflammatory".

This is literally the Ben Shapiro position.

I've since changed my mind after seeing an article saying desanctimonius is not up to taking on trump, and I agreed with the premise. Desanctimonious has a glass jaw as witnessed by him goldfishing for near 20 seconds when asked in a mid term debate if he would see out the governorship term since he was obviously preparing to run for president. One of the few things trump is good at is smacking back immediately, usually with an outlandish lie lol but snap back he does. The fact that sanctimonious did not anticipate that question is gob smacking to my mind. I now believe Trump will down Desantimonious, and go on to lose very, very badly in 24. You should of seen the highest rated fox news user comments on trumps constitution comment, he cleaved off yet another large chunk of independent and maga voters with that clanger. As mentioned, trumps ability for self harm know no bounds.

As the details about Twitter are coming to light though - seeing collusion between the Government and Private institutions that violate their own policies is equally galling.

sugilite

9th December 2022, 14:36

Fancy a beer?
Yep, though I live 1.5 hours further north now in the city that must not be named - the shame! One bonus is i literally live on one of the very few good roads in the area as the sound of motorbikes going by every few minutes on the weekends atests. So if you do, bring the riding gear with you, the RSV awaits in the garage. Ill take the wife's limited edition zx6r as I'm the only one she will let ride it. Which is very kind of her since she sees how fast the stack of dead tyres grows beside the RSV :lol:

pritch

9th December 2022, 17:39

TVNZ pissed me off again tonight. Nothing unusual there. The report on the prisoner swap that resulted in the return of Brittney Griner then went on to mention the Republican line that former US Marine Paul Whelan is still imprisoned in Russia. That's true. But Whelan was imprisoned in 2018 during Trump's term. Trump had as about as much time to bring him home as Biden has so far. With the same result.

Laava

9th December 2022, 20:22

TheDemonLord

10th December 2022, 09:03

Yep, though I live 1.5 hours further north now in the city that must not be named - the shame! One bonus is i literally live on one of the very few good roads in the area as the sound of motorbikes going by every few minutes on the weekends atests. So if you do, bring the riding gear with you, the RSV awaits in the garage. Ill take the wife's limited edition zx6r as I'm the only one she will let ride it. Which is very kind of her since she sees how fast the stack of dead tyres grows beside the RSV :lol:

It's funny you mention that, I was thinking about it the other day... Then I accidentally went into the local Bike Shop. They have a 1250FA that I can't afford at the moment on sale.

I may have asked for a Test Ride, but the Weather has been shithouse, so I've been unable to.

1/32 man

10th December 2022, 09:47

Then I accidentally went into the local Bike Shop

What, where, who is your local?

TheDemonLord

10th December 2022, 10:18

What, where, who is your local?

You'll need to Subscribe to my OnlyBikes to find out.

1/32 man

10th December 2022, 19:00

Oh, I thought maybe it was my old Bandit so no biggie.

TheDemonLord

10th December 2022, 19:44

Probably not - since I'm not in Napier - but all good.

F5 Dave

10th December 2022, 20:22

So week before on our loop we stayed at Pukekohe. So I popped in to see my sister in Tits.

Geez dockland is such a fucking shithole except worse. How is that possible?

I've done enough race meetings there over the decades but Jezus fuking him up the arse krist it is somehow worse.

Fukd if I'd ever live there, so glad I never did when looking for employment.

Use lube. He is the son of God, but that kahn is vindictive with his whole burn your soul for eternity.

Think he's jealous. Wants a bit of rough action himself.

As does tdl.

TheDemonLord

11th December 2022, 05:15

As does tdl.

Well, I mean... Who doesn't?

R650R

11th December 2022, 07:25

pritch

11th December 2022, 07:35

Not liking flying to Auckland the day of a connecting overseas flight, I usually flew up the day prior. On one occasion I stayed overnight in a motel in South Auckland. It was a shock. It was like another country: everything was tagged, the only shops were curry shops and bottle stores. Admittedly the curry was good, but what a fucking dump.

1/32 man

11th December 2022, 08:21

Probably not - since I'm not in Napier - but all good.

Bike shops here are a bit naff, I did my transaction in Aucksland.

pritch

11th December 2022, 17:54

Lawyers were supposed to be smart. Judges in the US are evidently sick of stupid challenges to election outcomes and are fining lawyers who bring them. Giuliani, who was party to some sixty challenges to Biden's election win, has had his licence to practice suspended. He is currently facing a hearing to have his licence permanently revoked.

Kari Lake, a Trump wannabe, is using the Trump playbook and has initiated a legal action aimed at overturning her loss in the Arizona gubernatorial election. The lawsuit was filed even before the election was held. I was wondering how she managed to get lawyers to take her case but she found some chancers. The judge reportedly expressed the thought that he'd like to fine Ms Lake for bringing the action, but unfortunately that was not possible. He went on to say he could sanction the lawyers though and apparently he did.

pritch

15th December 2022, 10:08

Trump is making legal history. He has initiated legal action against the Pulitzer Prize Board for awarding prizes to journalists who wrote about the Russian connections of his campaign. The action is not against the journalists, it's against the Pulitzer Prize Board which he claims defamed him by awarding prizes to the journalists.

What's next? An action against the Nobel Peace Prize committee for not awarding him a peace prize?

Laava

15th December 2022, 11:12

His retardation knows no bounds!
Worst president ever!

pritch

16th December 2022, 08:30

The other day Trump posted that he was about to make a major announcement. Given that he already announced he is running for president his post excited speculation.

Now that the announcement has been made it is prompting ridicule. As the digital world suffers setbacks he has released a series of Trump NFT collector cards for only US99.00 each. Below we have a sample, there is also a western sheriff character. It's hard to imagine people queueing to buy this tat but "a fool and his money" and all that.

Laava

16th December 2022, 09:47

Holy fuck that is poor taste! Poor americans, how embarrasing!

sugilite

16th December 2022, 13:38

Hahaha, this Trump demise just keeps getting better and better. Fox are so embarrassed they are not even reporting it :laugh:

Hoonicorn

16th December 2022, 16:00

Trump water, Trump steaks, Trump University, Trump President, Trump NFTs, Trump cashing in on a new trend about 12 months too late. What next, Trump toilet paper?

sugilite

16th December 2022, 16:01

Get ready to cringe folks :laughs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrlf62_bdg

Finally found this on fox, had to search hard for it :lol:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-roasted-after-major-announcement-turns-out-digital-trading-cards

1/32 man

16th December 2022, 19:23

Sorry, I cannot watch that.

For a starter that shitty white polo shirt and the dumb hat....cringeworthy alright.

pritch

16th December 2022, 20:07

If anybody actually forks out the equivalent of $155.78 for a jpeg of Trump, it's only because there's one born every minute.

sugilite

17th December 2022, 03:28

Sorry, I cannot watch that.

For a starter that shitty white polo shirt and the dumb hat....cringeworthy alright.
At the very least he should be impeached for fashion crimes against humanity.

If anybody actually forks out the equivalent of $155.78 for a jpeg of Trump, it's only because there's one born every minute.

I suspect a small number of kb'ers have already purchased and printed them out to hang up... , oh wait that thats the mike pence nft, rather i mean post up on their bedroom walls - framed if course ;)

pzkpfw

17th December 2022, 09:45

If anybody actually forks out the equivalent of $155.78 for a jpeg of Trump, it's only because there's one born every minute.

They are already re-selling for more on NFT exchanges.

Small print on the things somehow makes ten% of any resale go to Trump, too.

There's one born every minute for sure, and their parents are too closely related.

I note Trump starts with T and ends with P, so does "Tulip".

pzkpfw

17th December 2022, 09:45

At the very least he should be impeached for fashion crimes against humanity.

Remember when the GQP went nuts because Obama wore a tan suit?

TheDemonLord

17th December 2022, 18:37

I suspect a small number of kb'ers have already purchased and printed them out to hang up... , oh wait that thats the mike pence nft, rather i mean post up on their bedroom walls - framed if course ;)

So, no, I've not bought one....

But the style of the images does amuse me greatly...

pritch

17th December 2022, 19:24

R650R

17th December 2022, 19:43

The Trump collector cards were a licensing arrangement. Apparently they sold out, but then so did Melania's NFT. She bought them all herself.
There is a family history. Jr's New York Times best selling book was accompanied by a warning of unusual buying behaviour. The GOP bought the books in bulk.

Somewhat of a mystery. Do we have mammoth sales, something shonky, or fools and their money? Does anybody care?

In 1973 the CIA bought all 5000 copies of Colonel L Fletcher Prouty’s book The Secret Team so terrified were they that the govt was too slow in blocking it’s publication.
You can now freely obtain it, it’s a great read.
One great part is where the author is in Christchurch on way back from supervising Nuke reactor instal at Antartica base where he pics up a kiwi newspaper with Oswald’s mugshot and the JFK assasination story. Trouble was with technology available at the time they couldn’t have gotten what they had in the official timeline. He was smart enough to keep quiet about that....

husaberg

17th December 2022, 20:03

In 1973 the CIA bought all 5000 copies of Colonel L Fletcher Prouty’s book The Secret Team so terrified were they that the govt was too slow in blocking it’s publication.
You can now freely obtain it, it’s a great read.
One great part is where the author is in Christchurch on way back from supervising Nuke reactor instal at Antartica base where he pics up a kiwi newspaper with Oswald’s mugshot and the JFK assasination story. Trouble was with technology available at the time they couldn’t have gotten what they had in the official timeline. He was smart enough to keep quiet about that....

You're not that bright, wire photos were common since the 1950's information was broadcast and telexed.
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/the-christchurch-star-23-november-1963/

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/photos-telephone-history-guide-wirephotos/

he Star’s reporting of the assassination
Bob Cotton, Chief Reporter of The Christchurch Star, says that following the release of JFK, The Star received numerous requests from investigative writers, journalists and authors in the United States for copies of the pages of the November 1963 issue. Some conspiracy theorists have made special trips to Christchurch to interview him and there have even been suggestions that The Christchurch Star company was involved. These theories, however, are based on inaccurate assumptions about The Star newspaper’s production.

Bob Cotton was a reporter at the paper at the time and can recall clearly the events of November 1963. He says that even in 1963 global communication was fast and effective, and an assassination of an American President meant that everything and everyone on The Star worked doubly quick. News then came by AAP and various wire services which would have been competing to get the news out to their subscribers.

Photographs were usually wired to Australia, then to Auckland and then to Christchurch. This time, to get the photographs early, some of the geographical links were bypassed through technical ingenuity at The Star. Even so, the paper would not have been published until 1:30 pm or 2:15 — 2:30 pm depending on the edition.

Bob Cotton says that The Star was never published in the morning during his time on the newspaper (from 1958). The JFK character Mr X is not even shown with a genuine Christchurch Star newspaper. He buys a thin-width broadsheet whereas The Christchurch Star was always produced as a full-width broadsheet.

Bob Cotton also explains that every newspaper has a large store of biographical material, and says that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a stranger to the media. Information on him would have been readily available in American newspapers and media offices and would have been sent out quickly. In 1959 there had been much coverage in newspapers about young men defecting to the Soviet Union and Oswald’s defection had been covered in detail in The Washington Post, The Washington Evening Star and The New York Times.

Again it was widely reported when Oswald, now with a Russian wife and child, returned to the United States in 1962. The portrait of him in The Christchurch Star had appeared in The Fort Worth Press on 16 November 1963.

https://christchurchcitylibraries.com/Heritage/Newspapers/Star23Nov1963/PDF/ChristchurchStar23Nov1963-page03.pdf

Nukey Poo. the tiny reactor at mcmurdo wasn't a success.

sugilite

19th December 2022, 11:09

So, no, I've not bought one....

But the style of the images does amuse me greatly...

The important question is - did you test ride that suzuki?

TheDemonLord

19th December 2022, 12:39

The important question is - did you test ride that suzuki?

Every time I had a window of time, the weather is/was poos and wees.

However, I do have the next 2-3 weeks off, so hopefully will get my leg over for a ride soon.

F5 Dave

19th December 2022, 16:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9wMH62h7I

The problem.

Grumph

20th December 2022, 06:13

pritch

20th December 2022, 06:52

And just to make it more like his normal pattern, it's being reported that most if not all the images used on the NFT cards are copyright and probably used without permission. The sources are pretty varied = from Reuters to a clothing chain.
If as seems possible they sue, the whole enterprise may wind up costing him money.

Is anyone surprised ?

No surprises. He must have enough cease and desist letters from music copyright holders to paper a wall.

This was a licensing deal I believe. Trump gets 10%.

At first I suspected it was a money laundering operation. (Another one?) That was reinforced when it was reported that the maximum buy was $9,900. At $10,000 banks have to report the transaction.

The card I found most amusing was the one of him in evening dress. A slim and trim Trump in the same outfit the bloated tub of lard wore to dinner with the Queen.

sugilite

20th December 2022, 13:09

Yeah, considering the locations where some of the nft images were "harvested", I would be surprised if Trump gets sued. The thing that strikes me is the sheer laziness of the Trump team that put this thing together. I mean how much does it cost to hire a young and upcoming talented digital artist looking for a big break to produce some really classy original art for said nft. What a bunch of shysters - seriously.

I see the Jan 6th is putting Trumps name forward for criminal charges to the DOJ, though I'm betting they don't really want him to be convicted - considering pretty much their only chance of winning the next general election is if Trump is running. So I would say the DOJ will have been told to take their time. :rolleyes:

1/32 man

20th December 2022, 13:54

“Troth sensual....”
He is finally going to get scorched....surely?

sugilite

20th December 2022, 13:58

Actually scratch that, turns out any crim can run the States :brick:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300770038/if-donald-trump-is-convicted-will-he-still-be-able-to-run-in-2024

The one show stopper is being found guilty of insurrection, and I do not reckon they would get that charge across the finish line. What a shame the secret service refused to let him march with the idiots. :rolleyes:

F5 Dave

20th December 2022, 15:09

What a fucking shithole country.

R650R

20th December 2022, 16:04

And just to make it more like his normal pattern, it's being reported that most if not all the images used on the NFT cards are copyright and probably used without permission. The sources are pretty varied = from Reuters to a clothing chain.
If as seems possible they sue, the whole enterprise may wind up costing him money.

Is anyone surprised ?

That may well be the case. However proving copyright theft is expensive and difficult especially with such a generically common image like the superman style body.
Also many artists these days foolishly publish their works on fakebook, Instagram etc. If you read the fine print on the terms and services you actually allow them to onsell in certain circumstances...
Not defending him in any way as several times I’ve been a victim of intellectual property theft but it’s one of those things that prob won’t go anywhere.

pritch

21st December 2022, 08:35

That may well be the case. However proving copyright theft is expensive and difficult especially with such a generically common image like the superman style body.

The astronaut one was lifted from the NASA site. All they did was paste his face into the helmet.

The one of him in the tux is very trimmed down compared to the one in a similar tux when he was embarrassing the Queen.

pritch

23rd December 2022, 08:14

This won't happen but it's mildly amusing.

https://politizoom.com/melania-could-face-prison-over-fraudulent-taxes-filed-jointly/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Laava

3rd January 2023, 22:46

So Trump does have a redeeming point…

https://youtu.be/nSuregWhlWk

R650R

5th January 2023, 12:56

Apparently Trumps tax records turned up nothing of interest. An interesting precedent is now set that govt can demand tax records and make them public.
With rep control of the house now it could be interesting times as to why people from pelosi to Liz Cheney etc have increased wealth significantly out of proportion to their income while in office.....
While Trump left office poorer than he went in....

pzkpfw

5th January 2023, 15:22

Nothing of interest.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363692

(Much of that discussion about whether they should have been made public, but much info regardless.)

mashman

5th January 2023, 17:53

So the Jan 6 committee have let Trump go lol.

husaberg

5th January 2023, 18:28

So the Jan 6 committee have let Trump go lol.

realty differs They never had any legal standing to prosecute but they have recommended prosecution.

In the end, the panel came to a unanimous conclusion that Trump coordinated a “conspiracy” on multiple levels, pressuring states, federal officials and lawmakers to try to overturn his defeat, and inspired a violent mob of supporters to attack the Capitol and interrupt the certification of President Joe Biden’s win. The panel recommended that the Justice Department prosecute Trump on four crimes, including aiding an insurrection.While a so-called criminal referral has no real legal standing, it is a forceful statement by the committee and adds to political pressure already on Attorney General Merrick Garland and special counsel Jack Smith, who is conducting an investigation into Jan. 6 and Trump’s actions.

Laava

17th January 2023, 08:52

Is this anyone here?

george formby

17th January 2023, 09:56

Is it that dude from Whangas with the Magna, Axel?

pritch

20th January 2023, 17:51

It will likely have no effect, but Trump and his lawyer, have just been fined a million dollars US for bringing a frivolous racketeering lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, Uncle Tom Cobley, and all.
A million must smart, but he probably still hasn't got the message. He's a moron but we could be forgiven for thinking the lawyer might have a clue.

Update: Hillary Clinton's legal costs, some $170,000 were also awarded against Trump. Apparently Trump has other cases before this same judge.

pritch

29th January 2023, 08:20

TheDemonLord

29th January 2023, 09:10

There's a glorious little clip of Trump on Twitter that isn't available on YouTube yet. He is informing the world that the Taliban are good fighters, but they can't fight at night because they haven't got binoculars. And this is the guy that said he knew more than the generals...

Well, to be fair, thanks to Biden and his Generals - the Taliban have now got all the Binoculars and Nods and other equipment they could want...

pritch

29th January 2023, 11:42

Well, to be fair, thanks to Biden and his Generals - the Taliban have now got all the Binoculars and Nods and other equipment they could want...

I've been ignoring you and that has been working well for me. Still, I remain an optimist but alas my optimism again goes unrewarded. The gent who let 5,000 Taliban prisoners out prematurely Shirley deserves some credit. It might have been a better idea to let them out after the withdrawal/retreat but again, Trump knows more than the generals. He said so.

TheDemonLord

29th January 2023, 12:45

husaberg

29th January 2023, 15:12

I've been ignoring you and that has been working well for me. Still, I remain an optimist but alas my optimism again goes unrewarded. The gent who let 5,000 Taliban prisoners out prematurely Shirley deserves some credit. It might have been a better idea to let them out after the withdrawal/retreat but again, Trump knows more than the generals. He said so.

He also appoved prisoner swaps with Taliban leaders for average ameicans and an Aussie.
Announcing the release of King and Weeks, Trump praised then-Afghan President Ashraf Ghani “for his courageous support” and added, “Proud of my team!” The Washington Post reported that Ghani had earlier “announced the prisoner swap on live television.”
Trump touted White’s release on Twitter, stating, “I will never stop working to secure the release of all Americans held hostage overseas!”

A statement from then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the Taliban described the release of the two men as “a goodwill gesture.” The statement also notes the Taliban’s impending release of 10 Afghan prisoners and the Afghan government’s release of three Taliban prisoners.

Freed in the exchange were three senior commanders of the Haqqani network, which was added to the State Department list of foreign terrorist organizations in September 2012 and is closely allied with the Taliban. One of the men was a younger brother of the Taliban’s deputy leader and son of the Haqqani network’s founder, the Washington Post reported.

According to the Washington Post, the Haqqani network “has been active in kidnapping foreigners and is believed to have seized King and Weeks.”