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sugilite

22nd September 2022, 18:55

@1/32 man, As we can see, tdl just provided ample evidence of what I was saying :facepalm:
I won't quote him as now, respecting the many, many people that have him on ignore, and for me the fact he he is full magat. So I'll just do snippets lol
Notice how he says the bad shit only started coming out about him after announcing his 2016 run for president. Prior to that, he was just a successful reality tv guy that had a knack for bankrupting casinos and blasting through other peoples money. So if course running for president is going to bring a lot closer scrutiny, whereupon an avalanche of skletons fell out his closet. Now, somehow tdl feels that all this information must be fake or somthing. Most of it is not, he really is a shithead. tdl just gives permanent free passes because he likes the way trump triggers dems, who many do appear to be genuine snowflakes lol My point is, just because trump dirty laundry was aired in 2016, it does not mean it is all moot. Naughty tdl.

Since tdl has gone full magot he is heartily embracing the concept of the RINO. Now this is a trump master stroke. Any republican that had the balls to stand up for what is right knew what was coming - but did it anyway, as they were pretty much the only republicans with principles and certainly not compatible with the trump crookery brand, hence bumped out the party. So the irony is here, is that magats took over the party and had the gall to call the actual republicans that had fairly pure conservative values RINOS (republican in name only) and ejected out the party. Now all this happened on tdl's watch, but he failed to actually realize, as he was so high on "own the libs" meth. Now to join the magot club, one must support the big lie that the election was stolen to gain membership. What a fucking joke.

This stunt actually falls within the legal definition of kidnapping in the US. If you offered a girl a ride home and then took her somewhere else, that's kidnapping by inveiglement, and that's similar to what happened in this instance. The people were told they were going to Boston where there would be jobs, money, etc. They were dumped in Martha's vineyard where nobody was expecting them but the locals rallied, they fed, and housed the victims until something could be sorted.

While the current immigration chaos is very much of the dems making, what desanitis did is definitely grandstanding for the midterms. I see the immigrants which were all in the country legally at this point were definitely deceived and lied to by desantis and cronies and he is now being sued by them. This will get interesting. He may not be as clever as he thinks he is.

The classified documents thing is a hoot. Open and shut case, he should not of had them and did, no matter all the farcical posturing of the boring lord. I see the special master has already sharply rebuked trumps lawyers and told them they have to back the shit up that they are spouting. As per all those fake election fraud cases trumps lawyers put forward. The special master thing has blown up in trumps face big time lol

I see Letitia James has put forward a very strong case. Interesting to note some big name dems she has taken down in the past. I think she just hates self indulgent, self serving big mouthed white guys. I saw her speaking today and was quite taken aback by the hatred in her voice and demeanor. trump has met his match here. No jail time, but mega fines and restrictions coming his way for sure, and the rest of his crime family. About bloody time. :wings:

If Trump runs in 2024, he will lose again, even against doddery old biden. If desantis runs, the dems are toast. I think the magat party knows this. Do they have the balls to do what must be done? Judging on past performance, likely not. 2024 is going to be great spectator sport that is for sure.

TheDemonLord

22nd September 2022, 19:59

@1/32 man, As we can see, tdl just provided ample evidence of what I was saying

It's not my manner (as a general rule) to post one line response or memes.

I won't quote him as now, respecting the many, many people that have him on ignore

And yet the many many people curiously reference me, either directly or by inference....

Notice how he says the bad shit only started coming out about him after announcing his 2016 run for president. Prior to that, he was just a successful reality tv guy that had a knack for bankrupting casinos and blasting through other peoples money. So if course running for president is going to bring a lot closer scrutiny, whereupon an avalanche of skletons fell out his closet. Now, somehow tdl feels that all this information must be fake or somthing.

It's not what I said though, is it? I asked you (and others) why you didn't like Trump and the responses you gave could all be traced back to Political Hit Pieces written after his announcement to run.

Now sure, running for President demands scrutiny (unless your last name is Biden...) - the problem is that those articles, when you dig into them are filled with half-truths. I've lost count of the notable examples - the current one du jour is that Trump had classified Nuclear material that not even the President had authority to declassify at Mar-a-lago... Based on an Anonymous source.

The point was, your initial perception of Trump was already tainted, meaning each subsequent action was viewed through that lens.

tdl just gives permanent free passes because he likes the way trump triggers dems, who many do appear to be genuine snowflakes

I give the same free passes to Biden for most of the things you claimed I gave free passes to Trump. But it's more than just Triggering the Dems. It's that the current Democrat/Labour/Left-Wing (in the west) has been moved radically to the Left and has adopted a number of theories that are (in both my opinion and the documented events of history) dangerous.

For example California repealing Proposition 16 - that's the Anti-Discrimination laws - so they can put into practice so-called 'Anti-Racist' policies. Now, think on this, if you anti-discrimination law is blocking your policies, what must those policies be doing?

Finally, speaking of Free Passes - Do you remember a little incident in Charlottesville - one that many of you were indignant at?

Well, many looked the other way when someone from ANTIFA executed someone for merely wearing a MAGA hat, but now we have the case in North Dakota - where a Democrat ran over a Teenage Republican, with a car.

One might say that this bears a number of similarities to Charlottesville - I've looked in both this thread and the other political threads - yet I don't seem to be able to find the same outpouring of anger and the accusations against the Democrat rhetoric causing this and calls for Impeachment for the people that have incited this.

Perhaps you could point me in the direction of the relevant thread?

Since tdl has gone full magot he is heartily embracing the concept of the RINO. Now this is a trump master stroke. Any republican that had the balls to stand up for what is right knew what was coming - but did it anyway, as they were pretty much the only republicans with principles and certainly not compatible with the trump crookery brand, hence bumped out the party. So the irony is here, is that magats took over the party and had the gall to call the actual republicans that had fairly pure conservative values RINOS (republican in name only) and ejected out the party. Now all this happened on tdl's watch, but he failed to actually realize, as he was so high on "own the libs" meth.

Hold up your horses - RINO been around Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong before Trump - 90s I believe. Not only that, but both National in NZ and the Conservatives in the UK have been accused of effectively the same behavior.

But I'll be generous - who is your pick of something who (as you say): "had fairly pure conservative values" - and that you think are/were unfairly maligned as a RINO?

I put it to you that the malaise in the Right Wing of the Western world has been brewing ever since the fall of the Berlin war.

Nothing like being convinced you've won to make you drop your guard.

While the current immigration chaos is very much of the dems making

And very much affecting Red states who are opposed to it. Was it a bit of a Political stunt? Sure. Was there an element of timing for the Mid-Terms? Absolutely. Did it serve it's purpose to show the utter hypocrisy of the Left who lost their minds over a mere 50 people? Abso-fucking-lutely.

The classified documents thing is a hoot. Open and shut case, he should not of had them and did, no matter all the farcical posturing of the boring lord.

Well, again, hold up just a second here - we've got many aspects to consider - firstly the Memo he signed before his last day in office saying "I'm taking these boxes and declassifying them" - it's on the White House website, which I posted a link to earlier.

Next you have the problem that the FBI knew what was there and told Trump to put a better Padlock on them and await further instruction.

But perhaps most damning of all for your 'Open and Shut case' is the precedent set by the FBI in regards to one Hilary Clinton and her Email server - which I posted to a link to earlier - but I'll refresh your memory - in that instance, they concluded that setting up your own private email server did not rise to meet the level necessary for Prosecution.

I'll not tarnish your good name by suggesting you have any love for Hillary - but I will ask you this: If the FBI then said that setting up a dedicated email server did not meet the threshold for intent that is required for it to be wrong, how do you square that against what it seems to be here (given the number of boxes and the number of supposedly classified documents in) a case of bad filing?

I see Letitia James has put forward a very strong case. Interesting to note some big name dems she has taken down in the past. I think she just hates self indulgent, self serving big mouthed white guys. I saw her speaking today and was quite taken aback by the hatred in her voice and demeanor.

I have no doubt you were taken aback - perhaps you are starting to see the real racism in the Democratic Party.

Now, I want to ask you to do a thought experiment - I've not heard her speak, but I'm fairly certain I can predict a number of talking points, especially given your description - Listen to what she said again, but Imagine it was a White Man saying it about a Black Woman.

What do you think the headlines would be?

If Trump runs in 2024, he will lose again, even against doddery old biden. If desantis runs, the dems are toast. I think the magat party knows this. Do they have the balls to do what must be done? Judging on past performance, likely not. 2024 is going to be great spectator sport that is for sure.

Given how badly Biden has fucked it up, I think the Republicans could put up a Potato and Win.

If Trump runs (and I think he will) - I think he will Win. I don't see anyone currently in the Democrat party who has anything approaching broad appeal and the effects of the Biden presidency has done more than enough to convince the moderate and swing voters that Trump wasn't that bad.

F5 Dave

22nd September 2022, 20:52

Oh Sugi, there you go again picking on poor TDL who is weak of brain matter. Poor sad, fool. Have pity on him. But dont feed him. Wel. Maybe vegetables. Probably not in his diet.

pritch

23rd September 2022, 05:22

Trump went on Hannity, it should be available on YouTube. Trump was explaining how he could declassify documents with his mind. He also made reference to his ability to send documents anywhere he wished. That is taken by some to mean that he has given or sold documents.

Interesting that he is still so focussed on classification. None of the charges he is facing require the documents to be classified.

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 07:48

Oh Sugi, there you go again picking on poor TDL who is weak of brain matter. Poor sad, fool. Have pity on him. But dont feed him. Wel. Maybe vegetables. Probably not in his diet.

And yet the many many people curiously reference me, either directly or by inference....

Hook, Line, Sinker.

Grumph

23rd September 2022, 07:55

It's actually getting better. The special master has given Trump's team a deadline to say which of the seized documents the FBI planted.

And it's a pretty short timeframe too.

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 08:01

Trump went on Hannity, it should be available on YouTube. Trump was explaining how he could declassify documents with his mind. He also made reference to his ability to send documents anywhere he wished.

That is an executive power the President holds. To simply declassify a document and send it somewhere IS a power the president has.

That is taken by some to mean that he has given or sold documents.

Let me guess, the same people who believe anonymous sources who say it was totally Nuclear documents... right?

Interesting that he is still so focussed on classification. None of the charges he is facing require the documents to be classified.

The question is one of public perception - If the info was Classified, then people might view it poorly, whereas if it has been declassified, most people wouldn't give a shit.

And of course let us not forget - the standard that is required to reach prosecution has been set by the FBI in relation to Hillary. And so far, Trump is nowhere near the level required.

sugilite

23rd September 2022, 09:19

Oh Sugi, there you go again picking on poor TDL who is weak of brain matter. Poor sad, fool. Have pity on him. But dont feed him. Wel. Maybe vegetables. Probably not in his diet.

Haha, I see he has confused laughing stock for celebrity status :lol:

The special master continues to take no trump crap. I'm looking forward to seeing Trump tell the judge he can declassify documents by just thinking about it. :killingme
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2022/sep/22/trump-mar-a-lago-records-justice-department-new-york-lawsuit-joe-biden-us-politics-latest

Tough guy desantis has chickened out - predictably.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/desantis-linked-plan-fly-migrants-delaware-falls-through-report

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 09:29

Haha, I see he has confused laughing stock for celebrity status :lol:

If I were a Laughing Stock, people would just ignore me. Probably wouldn't even need the Ignore function, they'd just skip over.

And yet, despite proclaiming their piety in having me on Ignore, they cannot help but talk about me. Whether it be Fame or Infamy - there's clearly something about what I say/do that attracts their attention. And they are usually quite well read on what I post...

Tough guy desantis has chickened out - predictably.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/desantis-linked-plan-fly-migrants-delaware-falls-through-report

A plan linked to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to fly migrants from San Antonio, Texas

Now, I freely admit that Geography isn't one of my strongest suits, but I'm fairly sure that Texas isn't Florida.

sugilite

23rd September 2022, 09:33

Laughing stocks get laughed at, it is right there in the tag ;)

Clearly there is not enough migrants left in Florida to get a plane load together, cry wolf much :devil2:

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 09:40

Laughing stocks get laughed at, it is right there in the tag ;)

Exactly. Laughed at, requires (at the very least), someone to look, listen and laugh.

It's right there in the tag ;)

So when people have me on 'ignore' (yet can't help themselves to talk about me), are they looking and listening?

What is being proclaimed, does not fit. However, if I am the herald of an Uncomfortable Truth, one that makes the Reader squirm with internal conflict between what they wish to believe is right and good and what they know to be right and good - well, then you would see people bury their heads in the sand and you would see people try to ward off others.

And that explains the behaviour of certain individuals much more accurately.

I also see Bill Maher (who I know you are a fan of) has been taking some more large steps towards the inevitable. The Question is - what will be the tipping point for you?

Clearly there is not enough migrants left in Florida to get a plane load together, cry wolf much :devil2:

Probably the other Migrants realised that it's better to live amongst the nice Republicans rather than the racist Democrats ;)

sugilite

23rd September 2022, 09:47

Exactly.

What is being proclaimed, does not fit. However, if I am the herald of an Uncomfortable Truth, one that makes the Reader squirm with internal conflict between what they wish to believe is right and good and what they know to be right and good - well, then you would see people bury their heads in the sand and you would see people try to ward off others.

Most people just beat off to porn.

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 10:06

Most people just beat off to porn.

As you well know, I'm not Most People.

And the fact that you are compelled to keep coming back to this dance says something, doesn't it?

Somewhere in all the words I type and all the arguments I put forward - there is something that if not in a literal sense, then definitely in a metaphysical sense, is True and that is what calls to you (and others) to come back. Time and Time again.

And I know that you see Glimpses of it - when you say that you were "quite taken aback by the hatred in her voice and demeanor." - you know, deep down, that something isn't right.

Same too with Bill Maher - when he touches the surface of something I've been saying is rotten to the core for literal years, that's another Glimpse.

When Time, Inflation, Fuel Prices, Migrant failures etc. coalesce together, there it is again.

sugilite

23rd September 2022, 10:22

What do you mean procedure? What a pesky notion :weird:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKorGkPO6VA

TBL, I was alluding to the fact your porn material is clearly a mirror :facepalm:

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 10:36

What do you mean procedure? What a pesky notion :weird:

Again though, he's right. I'll even use a 'fact checking' site:

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/how-us-presidents-can-declassify-documents-trump-mar-a-lago-search-fact-check/536-e1961390-e7c6-438a-b9b5-671dc9c6f7ec

Yes, the president can declassify documents while in office, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.

So Trump is correct when he says that when President, he can unilaterally say 'this is now declassified' and it is. No Protocol. No Procedure. It's an Executive Power and therefore needs no authority other than the authority imbued on the individual when they become President.

TBL, I was alluding to the fact your porn material is clearly a mirror :facepalm:

Only when the Wife is standing in front of it ;)

pritch

23rd September 2022, 11:42

That appeals court decision was really rapid. Trump's lawyers submitted a 40 page appeal and it was smacked down hard the next day. Amazing speed.

If a document is declassified by the president, every copy of the document whether electronic or hard copy would need to be noted to that effect. The file management systems would also need to be noted and every reference changed. That's a lot of work, for Trump to suggest he can do that with his mind is fantasy. To believe it is idiotic.

Parts of that interview will likely appear in court as evidence because he is basically admitting guilt. I still don't know why he's banging on about classification though. None of the charges he's facing require the documents to be classified.

That comment to the effect that he could send the documents to Mar a Lago "or whereever" is a worry. The obvious inference is that he sent some somewhere else. Where?

The longer shots in Hannity's interview show that Trump must be wearing even larger nappies than he used to. Really, look at it. Hugh Jass indeed.

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 12:05

If a document is declassified by the president, every copy of the document whether electronic or hard copy would need to be noted to that effect. The file management systems would also need to be noted and every reference changed. That's a lot of work, for Trump to suggest he can do that with his mind is fantasy. To believe it is idiotic.

You are conflating two things.

It's not the job of the President to do the Administrative tasks that you've outlined. All he needs to do is say the Magic words "This is now Declassified" and *poof!* it is declassified.

The President is not required or obliged to follow any process or procedure.

That fact that this has been verified as true by left-wing 'fact checkers' shows how correct this is.

pete376403

23rd September 2022, 13:11

Not everyone agrees with that : No credible evidence has emerged that Mr. Trump issued any standing order to declassify everything he happened to take from the Oval Office, and national security legal specialists have greeted the notion with disdain. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, said the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — was “preposterous.” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/trump-classified-documents.html

sugilite

23rd September 2022, 14:14

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 15:58

The federal appeals court certainly do not share our residents magats opinions (small surprise) - 2 of the 3 judges appointed by trump btw, AND they sure gave Cannon the arse kicking she deserved. The speed of these judgements show they have trump on a fast track to the guilty chair. :woohoo:

Hold up there hoss, we are (again) talking about 2 different things.

Pritch is correct when he says that the accusation isn't dependent on the documents being Classified. However, the point I am responding to is that when you ridicule Trump for saying he doesn't need to follow a process... He doesn't. As President he can just declare something as declassified.

The problem there is one of public perception - if the Documents are declassified (and there's a Memo that says they were) - then the care factor is zero.

And, republicans have ditched any pretense at being conservatives, they are the party of fascism now. Biden was spot on with this one, check this shit out.

I mean the Lincoln Project are known Liars. However, I know of Gab - I also know that many of the alternative tech platforms who don't choose to follow Silicone Valley's edicts in regards to Censorship curiously end-up with certain accusations.

I mean, the Left would never fake hate crimes against themselves to try and make the other side look bad, would they? I mean - they wouldn't Spray Paint Swastikas on College Campuses to try claim Racial harrassment? They wouldn't pay a couple of Nigerians to put a noose around their neck and throw acid on them and claim it was some guys in Maga Hats?

I could go on, at length, listing all the faked hate crimes done by the Left. Can you point to any faked Hate crimes done by the Right? Ones that recieved national or even international attention?

Finally - as a refresher - you should see what the Intersectional and Black Supremecist movements have to say about the Jews... What was it the guy that came up with the concept of Systemic Racism said? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael#Views_on_Adolf_Hitler

I have never admired a white man, but the greatest of them, to my mind, was Hitler.

The 'Alt-Right' voted for Biden, because they want the Race War that Intersectional ideology leads to. They aren't Right Wing at all, since all their claims are collectivist in nature as opposed to Individualist.

Collectivist ideologies being rooted in Left-Wing and Marxist thought.

pritch

23rd September 2022, 16:06

You are conflating two things.

It's not the job of the President to do the Administrative tasks that you've outlined. All he needs to do is say the Magic words "This is now Declassified" and *poof!* it is declassified.

The President is not required or obliged to follow any process or procedure.

That fact that this has been verified as true by left-wing 'fact checkers' shows how correct this is.

I assure you I'm not the one who is confused. Trump said he could declassify documents in his mind. That is fantasy, to believe it is idiotic.

All of which is irrelevant. Trump had no right to the documents, they were stolen property. Depending what he did with them, and "wherever" he sent them, he may be guilty of espionage.

Grumph

23rd September 2022, 17:05

pritch

23rd September 2022, 18:40

One analysis I've read of the NYC civil case says that because Trump pled the 5th on pretty well every question, it's a lock for Letitia James. He did that they say because anything he'd said there could be used against him in the other cases pending. The lawyers representing him on this one should have agreed to a deal earlier to avoid the massive fallout which could come.
If a settlement is agreed now, aside from the sheer size it would have to be, there would be conditions on the family not doing business again in NY.
This one is going to hurt him - badly.

This is pretty much the picture. In a criminal case pleading the Fifth may not be used to presume guilt. In a civil case though it can be used to support an adverse impression of the person pleading. Trump using the Fifth over 140 times in one appearance creates a very strong impression. And it's not wrong.

TheDemonLord

23rd September 2022, 19:02

I assure you I'm not the one who is confused. Trump said he could declassify documents in his mind. That is fantasy, to believe it is idiotic.

If you listen to the full quote (which Sugilitte posted) he refers correctly that he doesn't need a process or approval, he can just declassify something, and then as a rhetorhical flourish mentions he could do it with his mind.

There is no fantasy, since the point that was being made was that he has the executive authority to merely say 'this is declassified' and have it be so.

All of which is irrelevant. Trump had no right to the documents, they were stolen property. Depending what he did with them, and "wherever" he sent them, he may be guilty of espionage.

Hillaries Emails.

Precedent has been set, by the FBI no less.

And this guilty of espionage is as much hyperbole as the Nuclear documents was. Lies built on lies told by liars.

pritch

23rd September 2022, 21:50

If you listen to the full quote (which Sugilitte posted) he refers correctly that he doesn't need a process or approval, he can just declassify something, and then as a rhetorhical flourish mentions he could do it with his mind.

There is no fantasy, since the point that was being made was that he has the executive authority to merely say 'this is declassified' and have it be so.

Rhetorical flourishes? The moron wouldn’t even know what that was. The president can decide that something be declassified but there is a lot of work then required to be done. IIRC they even have an office specifically for that. Also the presidential edict would need to be in writing. Seriously, have you never worked in an office?

And this guilty of espionage is as much hyperbole as the Nuclear documents was. Lies built on lies told by liars.

You really haven’t been paying attention have you? One of the offences listed on the affidavit applying for the search warrant is an offence under the espionage act. If they find the evidence he’ll be charged. We can but hope. The nuclear documents may or may not be hyperbolic. If Trump had a possible buyer for nuclear secrets, or a request from Putin, he’d have the documents.

husaberg

23rd September 2022, 22:53

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TheDemonLord

24th September 2022, 07:47

The president can decide that something be declassified but there is a lot of work then required to be done.

Sure... But not by the President.

IIRC they even have an office specifically for that. Also the presidential edict would need to be in writing.

No it doesn't. I will grant that generally by convention it is done in writing, but again - as confirmed by Lefty Fact Checkers - There is no Process or Procedure that the President has to follow to declassify something

Seriously, have you never worked in an office?

Pretty much my entire professional career. And what an interesting Question - if the CEO of the Company says something, they are not obligated to follow some internal procedure to ensure it gets done. Staff may request confirmation in writing (I love a good arse-covering Email), but (Just like the President) they are not required to.

You really haven’t been paying attention have you? One of the offences listed on the affidavit applying for the search warrant is an offence under the espionage act. If they find the evidence he’ll be charged. We can but hope. The nuclear documents may or may not be hyperbolic. If Trump had a possible buyer for nuclear secrets, or a request from Putin, he’d have the documents.

If... If... If... May...

I remember quite vividly when you used to crucify me for significantly less conjecture. Funny that...

If I appear to be not paying attention, it's because a bogus investigation instigated by a corrupt FBI agent (so corrupt that he was fired), whose every leaked headline claim thus-far has not even remotely been substantiated (Cry Wolf much?), that flies in the face of previous standards set by the FBI themselves for high-profile politicians mishandling classified info and is quite clearly a last ditch attempt by the Democrats to block Trump from running again - That is - I don't listen to the lies from proven Liars.

This is quite clearly a malicious application of the rules and the fact the 'investigation' is still ongoing, when the person who started it was fired for Political Bias against Trump shows you, in a single sentence, just how partisan the FBI have become.

And this Trump and Putin nonsense, we had 4 years of Russia that turned out to be nothing more than a Hoax started by Butt-Hurt Hillary staffers, not to mention if you want me to believe that Trump was Putin's ally - you'll have to explain why when Trump was in office, Putin didn't invade the Ukraine (Like he did under Obama and Biden).

pritch

24th September 2022, 09:41

If... If... If... May...

I remember quite vividly when you used to crucify me for significantly less conjecture. Funny that...

If I appear to be not paying attention, it's because a bogus investigation instigated by a corrupt FBI agent (so corrupt that he was fired), whose every leaked headline claim thus-far has not even remotely been substantiated (Cry Wolf much?), that flies in the face of previous standards set by the FBI themselves for high-profile politicians mishandling classified info and is quite clearly a last ditch attempt by the Democrats to block Trump from running again - That is - I don't listen to the lies from proven Liars.

This is quite clearly a malicious application of the rules and the fact the 'investigation' is still ongoing, when the person who started it was fired for Political Bias against Trump shows you, in a single sentence, just how partisan the FBI have become.

And this Trump and Putin nonsense, we had 4 years of Russia that turned out to be nothing more than a Hoax started by Butt-Hurt Hillary staffers, not to mention if you want me to believe that Trump was Putin's ally - you'll have to explain why when Trump was in office, Putin didn't invade the Ukraine (Like he did under Obama and Biden).

I shouldn't ask, but who is this corrupt FBI agent of whom you speak?

Any news that Trump doesn't like is a hoax. The Russian "hoax" is probably just as real as the COVID "hoax" which he ignored while a million Americans died.

TheDemonLord

24th September 2022, 10:07

I shouldn't ask, but who is this corrupt FBI agent of whom you speak?

I've told you already, multiple times.

What is it that you say? "You haven't been paying attention".

But since you asked: Timothy Thibault

Some sources say he was fired and escorted out of the building, some say he retired after being named by a Senator as an example of Political Bias.

His lawyer says that he:

was not fired, not forced to retire, and not asked to retire.

Which, I don't know about you, but I happen to speak fluent Corporate... That's the sort of statement made just after one has fallen on their sword.

The Russian "hoax" is probably just as real as the COVID "hoax"

You mean a completely inflated issue that was blown out of proportion for the sake of a political agenda?

Well, look at that, we agree on something ;)

which he ignored while a million Americans died.

And yet, More died under Biden... Despite the Vaccine that Trump helped pay for (via Pre-sales, just in case Husa tries to sperg out)

Viking01

24th September 2022, 10:44

https://www.rt.com/news/563090-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-fraud/

husaberg

24th September 2022, 11:24

https://www.rt.com/news/563090-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-fraud/

You're quoting Russia today as proof of what? your gullibility? your willingness to spread propaganda?

Back in reality
A total of thirty-four individuals and three companies were indicted by Mueller's investigators.
13 Russians implicated in election interference: Mueller's team indicted thirteen Russian citizens, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), Concord Management and Consulting and Concord Catering with conducting social media campaigns about the U.S. elections.Twelve of the Russian defendants, who were alleged to be members of the Russian GRU cyber espionage group known as Fancy Bear, were charged in June 2018 with hacking and leaking DNC emails.

there was also a shit ton that pleaded guilty and were found guilty of charges
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

Viking01

24th September 2022, 13:26

You're quoting Russia today as proof of what? your gullibility? your willingness to spread propaganda?

Back in reality
A total of thirty-four individuals and three companies were indicted by Mueller's investigators.
13 Russians implicated in election interference: Mueller's team indicted thirteen Russian citizens, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), Concord Management and Consulting and Concord Catering with conducting social media campaigns about the U.S. elections.Twelve of the Russian defendants, who were alleged to be members of the Russian GRU cyber espionage group known as Fancy Bear, were charged in June 2018 with hacking and leaking DNC emails.

there was also a shit ton that pleaded guilty and were found guilty of charges
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

Afternoon.

Good to see that one of the watchdogs of democracy is awake and barking.

So, shifting to your reality and what you posted:

1. "A total of thirty-four individuals ...... hacking and leaking of DNC emails"
2. The TIME article about all the various FBI prosecutions,

I can see plenty of prosecutions (US and Russian individuals) for all sorts of unsavoury activities over that period, and that plea bargaining was certainly made good use of.

But what was the final outcome regarding Trump's own involvement and culpability ? I'm only really interested in the provable conclusion(s).

It was obviously not the FBI's brief to prove him innocent - but did they prove him guilty (at the end of the multi-year Mueller investigation and the Senate hearings) ?

While he was possibly not prosecuted while he was a serving President, surely there was sufficient evidence to do so after his term (assuming that the charges were so serious and the evidence existed)?

Or would taking that course of action have possibly risked shedding light on other "politically uncomfortable" past behaviour (re Hillary and the DNC) ?

Perhaps all the current nonsense over document de-classification and administration is simply a much "safer" goal to pursue ? And a much "lower bar" (one which even the FBI might be able to hurdle) ? :laugh:

pritch

24th September 2022, 14:01

The much hyped Durham investigation, which was supposed to prove Trump's paranoid claims, is now completed and substantially drew a blank.

Don't get too caught up in the declassification drama. Trump can't think documents declassified, nor can he do it "automatically". It's irrelevant anyway. The documents Trump had, whether classified or not, were stolen. Trump and to an extent his lawyers are spouting a lot of nonsense on TV and Truth Social. They will not be able to repeat that in court.

Trump went after the FBI's most successful spy catcher and then he went after the FBI's most noted expert on organised crime. These days in the US organised crime is primarily Russian not Italian. Of course there may be an innocent explanation for that, but I choose to believe the obvious explanation.

husaberg

24th September 2022, 14:06

Afternoon.

Good to see that one of the watchdogs of democracy is awake and barking.

So, shifting to your reality and what you posted:

1. "A total of thirty-four individuals ...... hacking and leaking of DNC emails"
2. The TIME article about all the various FBI prosecutions,

I can see plenty of prosecutions (US and Russian individuals) for all sorts of unsavoury activities over that period, and that plea bargaining was certainly made good use of.

But what was the final outcome regarding Trump's own involvement and culpability ? I'm only really interested in the provable conclusion(s).

It was obviously not the FBI's brief to prove him innocent - but did they prove him guilty (at the end of the multi-year Mueller investigation and the Senate hearings) ?

While he was possibly not prosecuted while he was a serving President, surely there was sufficient evidence to do so after his term (assuming that the charges were so serious and the evidence existed)?

Or would taking that course of action have possibly risked shedding light on other "politically uncomfortable" past behaviour (re Hillary and the DNC) ?

Perhaps all the current nonsense over document de-classification and administration is simply a much "safer" goal to pursue ? And a much "lower bar" (one which even the FBI might be able to hurdle) ? :laugh:

Gish galop away that will distract from the fact you continue to post Russian propaganda that has absolutely zero merit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z8rDOH6HuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkxB1Navf6o

pritch

24th September 2022, 19:37

Explain this if it's not outsize naps. The picture doesn't appear altered it's as he appears in the video clip. It might be rude to comment on his apparent infirmity but he doesn't hesitate to comment on the health of others.

Laava

24th September 2022, 20:33

He has a badly dislocated hip? (Fat hip!)

sugilite

24th September 2022, 21:40

When one is so full of shit, it has to be stored somewhere.

Grumph

25th September 2022, 06:57

He's got a hip pocket full of the documents he doesn't want to give back.....

Laava

25th September 2022, 07:16

I cant tell if Peter Griffin is based on Donald Trump or the other way round?

pritch

25th September 2022, 11:13

Trump is still banging on about the FBI planting documents. His Special Master, the one he asked for by name, has now asked which documents the FBI planted, because he doesn't need to check those. In plain English, put up or shut up.

This particular judge is proving so problematic for Trump that there are even suggestions he may ask his pet judge to cancel the special master he himself requested.

husaberg

25th September 2022, 12:39

When one is so full of shit, it has to be stored somewhere.

He's got a hip pocket full of the documents he doesn't want to give back.....

trumps tiny hands makes his nappies seem larger?

1/32 man

26th September 2022, 10:35

small hands big nappies....good one husaberg

pritch

26th September 2022, 10:58

Rick Wilson a former Republican operative now Lincoln Project founder said, "Everything Trump touches dies."

Rudy Giuliani, former US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and later Mayor of New York has lost his licence to practice law, is being sued by companies he has slandered to support Trump's paranoid deliusions, and by his ex wife. This week he was supposed to attend a court hearing into why he had failed to pay his ex wife the $250 odd thousand the court had ordered. Rudy didn't bother to attend. The judge has held him in contempt and ordered him to attend court, failing which he will be remanded in custody.

Christina Bobb went on any TV show that would have her claiming to be a member of Trump's legal team. It was she who signed a document for the FBI swearing that there were no government papers at Mar a Lago and who is now being investigated for lying to the FBI. She now claims that she wants to make it clear she was never a member of Trump's legal team in any matters relating to the events Mar a Lago. Good luck with that.

Interestingly Sidney Powell, she who was to "release the Kraken", also failed to front for a court appearance last week.

Trump's lawyers tend to need lawyers to stay out of jail as their careers wither and die.

1/32 man

27th September 2022, 07:31

"Everything Trump touches dies."

The guy must be toxic.
I find it odd that there are still people who will sell their soul to work for him....or maybe that should be donate their soul as he never pays.

pritch

28th September 2022, 09:51

Y'all will remember that recently Trump paid 3 million in advance to hire a serious lawyer. He has now sidelined his expensive new lawyer and is relying on the two women, one of whom says she doesn't work on the Mar a Lago documents case. The other one os running around the rightwing TV channels trying to get hired as a legal expert. Trump is in a spot of bother and the clock is running out.

pritch

8th October 2022, 09:36

The DoJ evidently now believes that Trump is still holding official documents. It's possible more, or all, of his properties will be searched. His new lawyer, the one he paid three million up front, counselled that he should cooperate with the DoJ. The disparate group of chancers and grifters who comprise the rest of his legal team are more gung ho and advised against that. So Trump has sidelined his best and most qualified lawyer - the only one who can be sure he will be paid.

Oh and apparently if Rudy doesn't front with the quarter million or so that he owes his wife today he goes behind bars. We'll see...

husaberg

8th October 2022, 10:28

Donald Trump bragged that he protected Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman from congressional scrutiny after the brutal assassination of the American journalist Jamal Khashoggi. That’s according to the veteran reporter Bob Woodward’s upcoming book, Rage, set to be released next Tuesday.… Woodward wrote that Trump called him on January 22 shortly after attending the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. During the conversation, Woodward pressed the president about Khashoggi’s gruesome murder. Khashoggi 59, a longtime Washington Post columnist known for his criticism of the Saudi kingdom, was assassinated and dismembered at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on October 2, 2018, after going there to get paperwork for his upcoming marriage. “The people at the Post are upset about the Khashoggi killing,” Woodward told Trump on January 22, his book says. “That is one of the most gruesome things. You yourself have said.” Yeah, but Iran is killing 36 people a day, so—” Trump began, before Woodward redirected the conversation and continued to press Trump about MBS’s role in ordering Khashoggi’s killing. “I saved his ass,” Trump had said amid the U.S. outcry following Khashoggi's murder, the book says. “I was able to get Congress to leave him alone. I was able to get them to stop.”
The White House did not offer a comment when contacted by Insider. During his January 22 conversation with Woodward, the president said: “Well, I understand what you're saying, and I've gotten involved very much. I know everything about the whole situation.” Trump added that Saudi Arabia spent billions of dollars on U.S. products.
wait for the whataboutism....

pritch

9th October 2022, 15:46

Laava

9th October 2022, 15:59

I guess she'll find a lawyer prepared to take her case - and her money.
Prob not in that order, they are all Trump-shy now so it's money up front!…

Grumph

9th October 2022, 16:23

I was interested to see that the judge who agreed to the Special Master is now trying to rein him in. Rare to find a Trump appointee who's prepared to stay bought..
Most have now rolled over.

TheDemonLord

9th October 2022, 18:57

CNN have been taken over by a person with sympathies for the right. The new boss has decided he'd like CNN to take a few thousand viewers off FOX. Conservative hosts have been promoted, liberal hosts have been demoted. I don't know how many new viewers he's gained at the expense of FOX, but anecdotally he's lost thousands.

I mean... CNN Viewership has been way down for quite some time. Going Hard Left hasn't helped their numbers, so maybe going a bit back to the centre might...

Fox has plenty of viewers to spare though ;)

Oh, and Mad Marge Taylor Green has announced that she is suing Twitter for breaching her First Amendment rights by cancelling her private acount because she was posting COVID misinformation. There's several things wrong with that, but I guess she'll find a lawyer prepared to take her case - and her money.

The problem is (that has yet to be legally resolved) is that there are inconsistent rulings on whether or not Twitter is a Public Square. This goes all the way back to Marsh V Alabama - which said that a space that operates functionally as a Public Square where Political speech is happening IS protected under 1A.

Twitter is both Public and where Political Speech is happening. So despite being privately owned (like a Company Town), there's some strong basis to consider it a Public Space.

Furthermore, there was the lawsuit where Journalists claimed their first Amendment rights were being breached when Trump blocked them on Twitter - which falls within the right to petition. Again, applying 1A protections to a private space.

My suspicion is the suit is merely a ploy to get the account unbanned once Elon the Great takes ownership.

F5 Dave

9th October 2022, 19:07

I'm assuming TDL is posting fanboy lit.

Go TDL. Trump will love to watch you die. He doesn't give a fuck about you.

husaberg

9th October 2022, 20:06

Oh, and Mad Marge Taylor Green has announced that she is suing Twitter for breaching her First Amendment rights by cancelling her private acount because she was posting COVID misinformation. There's several things wrong with that, but I guess she'll find a lawyer prepared to take her case - and her money.

free speech.... On a privately own site that own site rules were being breached
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/manipulated-media

Overview

You may not share synthetic, manipulated, or out-of-context media that may deceive or confuse people and lead to harm (“misleading media”). In addition, we may label Tweets containing misleading media to help people understand their authenticity and to provide additional context.

What is in violation of this policy

In order for content with misleading media (including images, videos, audios, gifs, and URLs hosting relevant content) to be labeled or removed under this policy, it must:

Include media that is significantly and deceptively altered, manipulated, or fabricated, or
Include media that is shared in a deceptive manner or with false context, and
Include media likely to result in widespread confusion on public issues, impact public safety, or cause serious harm
We use the following criteria as we consider Tweets and media for labeling or removal under this policy as part of our ongoing work to enforce our rules and ensure healthy and safe conversations on Twitter:

That's the same as when trump tried the same and yet still now wants to claim executive privilege.

Why was Trump banned?
Mr Trump was locked out of his account for 12 hours on Wednesday after he called the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".

Twitter warned then that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.

After being allowed back on Twitter, Mr Trump posted two tweets on Friday that the company cited as the final straws.

In one, he wrote: "The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!"

Twitter said this tweet "is being interpreted as further indication that President Trump does not plan to facilitate an 'orderly transition'".
In the next, the president tweeted: "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th."
Twitter said this was "being received by a number of his supporters as further confirmation that the election was not legitimate".
Twitter said both of these tweets were "in violation of the Glorification of Violence Policy".

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 06:42

I'm assuming TDL is posting fanboy lit.

Go TDL. Trump will love to watch you die. He doesn't give a fuck about you.

Have you ever considered... that the less a Politician cares about me, the less they are likely to make things worse for me?

Leaving me alone to live my own life sounds great.

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 06:45

free speech.... On a privately own site that own site rules were being breached
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/manipulated-media

That's the same as when trump tried the same and yet still now wants to claim executive privilege.

Again, the problem here is that the US Courts have already determined that in part, Twitter constitutes a Public Square - after it was determined that Trump blocking journos was infringing their first Amendment rights.

However - the above, sounds awfully like an Editorial policy...

Not to mention I can think of multiple things that were at least substantively true that were flagged as 'misinformation' by Twitter.

1/32 man

10th October 2022, 07:39

I had forgotten how litigous the USA is.
Billboards on the freeway advertising for business such as...."have you had a motor accident" or "have you been fired from your job" and similar.

I loved the line from Breaking Bad..."we better find a criminal lawyer"

pritch

10th October 2022, 07:50

The problem is (that has yet to be legally resolved) is that there are inconsistent rulings on whether or not Twitter is a Public Square.

You seem to be missing the point. The 1A protects the right of people, particularly of the press, to criticise the government. Marge is part of the government, however bizarre that may be, she breached Twitter's terms of service so she was out. Twitter is not the government. I believe she still has her Congressional Twitter account.

The "public square" aspect was relevant to politicians blocking people they didn't like. That's not what's happening here.

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 08:00

You seem to be missing the point. The 1A protects the right of people, particularly of the press, to criticise the government.

Was Marge, part of the People - as you said, private account, criticizing the Government? A case can be made that she was. She has a public following, like a member of the press.

Even moreso since we have had confirmation from the likes of Mark Zuckerberg that it was in fact the Government asking for certain things to be censured by the likes of Twitter and Facebook.

The "public square" aspect was relevant to politicians blocking people they didn't like. That's not what's happening here.

I agree it's not the same - but the question is unresolved - Is Twitter a Public Square or not?

In one set of case law, it is a Public Square, therefore the protections of the First Amendment apply
In others, it isn't.

My personal view is that seeing as you do not need an account to view Twitter threads, that fulfills the Public aspect of Public Square and there is definitely political debate going on.

I'm not sure she will win - although with Elon buying Twitter - I have a sly prediction that many of these cases will now be found against Twitter and the protection afforded to Twitter as a service provider will soon be up for review.

husaberg

10th October 2022, 10:24

You seem to be missing the point. The 1A protects the right of people, particularly of the press, to criticise the government. Marge is part of the government, however bizarre that may be, she breached Twitter's terms of service so she was out. Twitter is not the government. I believe she still has her Congressional Twitter account.

The "public square" aspect was relevant to politicians blocking people they didn't like. That's not what's happening here.Correct Marge was not banned for criticism that people didn't like. She was banned from the same reasons trump was, for spreading false information.
Neither can spread false information or attempt to incite violence with impunity.

i just seen this from Moscow Mitch

Last February, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell called her embrace of conspiracy theories and “loony lies” a “cancer for the Republican Party.

Facebook suspended an account of Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's for 24 hours for spreading misinformation about COVID-19, a day after Twitter permanently suspended the Republican's personal account on that platform.

On other social media platforms Monday, Greene shared a screenshot of a message from Facebook, alerting her that her account had been blocked.

"Facebook has joined Twitter in censoring me," Greene reportedly wrote in posts on the Telegram and Gettr networks. "This is beyond censorship of speech."

A day earlier, Twitter permanently suspended Greene's personal account for "repeated violations of our COVID-19 misinformation policy."

In an email to NPR, a spokesperson for the social media company said Twitter "had been clear that, per our strike system for this policy, we will permanently suspend accounts for repeated violations of the policy."
The Georgia Republican's official government Twitter account is still active, the company confirmed.

Greene, in a statement following her Twitter suspension, said Twitter was an "enemy to America and can't handle the truth."

"That's fine, I'll show America we don't need them and it's time to defeat our enemies,"
Twitter accounts with five or more "strikes" face a permanent suspension from the platform, according to Twitter policies.

Greene was temporarily suspended from Twitter in January 2021 for violating the company's "civic integrity" policy, which the company had used to remove thousands of QAnon-related accounts. Greene has endorsed the QAnon conspiracy theory in the past.

In May she faced criticism from her own party and beyond after comparing COVID-19 safety measures to the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust.

The House of Representatives removed Greene from her committee assignments in February. She'd been condemned for promoting racist, antisemitic and false conspiracy theories and for encouraging violence against Democratic officials before she took office.

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 10:38

Correct Marge was not banned for criticism that people didn't like. She was banned from the sae reasons trump was, for spreading false information.
Neither can spread false information or attempt to incite violence with impunity.

Just one question...

What is the difference between Criticism that people don't like and spreading false information?

On a good number of issues - Covid especially, such as the Lab Leak theory - there is a very good argument to be made that there is no difference.

pete376403

10th October 2022, 16:49

Just one question...

What is the difference between Criticism that people don't like and spreading false information?

On a good number of issues - Covid especially, such as the Lab Leak theory - there is a very good argument to be made that there is no difference.

Easy - criticism can be the truth, even if the person being criticised doesn't like it. False information, by its very name is false. Unless it is alternative facts.

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 17:21

Easy - criticism can be the truth, even if the person being criticised doesn't like it. False information, by its very name is false. Unless it is alternative facts.

I'm glad you obliged - So, how does that play with the Hunter Biden Laptop story? or the Covid Lab Leak theory?

Both of which were declared misinformation and people spreading it were yeeted off the platform.

Both were widely ridiculed as False by certain people (perhaps people who might have been criticised by such info and didn't like it?), and yet...

It's far easier to do, to just declare something as false (even if it's true) because you don't like it and then get the Government to lean on a platform like Twitter or Facebook to get them to Censor it.

Hence my question.

And for bonus points - the best Misinformation always contains an element of Truth.

husaberg

10th October 2022, 17:28

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pritch

10th October 2022, 18:12

What is the difference between Criticism that people don't like and spreading false information?

She was an oponent of mask wearing as a COVID precaution among other things. She constantly spouted dangerous nonsense. Twitter put up with her breaches for long enough and eventually gave her the heave. It's nothing to do with criticism, she was repeating information that was getting people killed.

The woman is an idiot, she has a growing list of "mis-speaks." Peach tree dishes for Petri dishes. Bill Gates is growng meat in peach tree dishes according to Marg.
The gazpacho for the Gestapo. She was referring to the Capitol police I believe.
Marg says that rights are being fragrantly violated under Democrats.

She blamed the Californian forest fires on Jewish lasers from outer space. She might have got that one from Q she was (still is?) a follower.

pete376403

10th October 2022, 18:15

I'm glad you obliged - So, how does that play with the Hunter Biden Laptop story? or the Covid Lab Leak theory?.

the Biden laptop - can you explain how the person who had the laptop, legally blind, was able to sort through thousands of e-mails to find the incriminating ones?

husaberg

10th October 2022, 18:20

She was an oponent of mask wearing as a COVID precaution among other things. She constantly spouted dangerous nonsense. Twitter put up with her breaches for long enough and eventually gave her the heave. It's nothing to do with criticism, she was repeating information that was getting people killed.

The woman is an idiot, she has a growing list of "mis-speaks." Peach tree dishes for Petri dishes. Bill Gates is growng meat in peach tree dishes according to Marg.
The gazpacho for the Gestapo. She was referring to the Capitol police I believe.
Marg says that rights are being fragrantly violated under Democrats.

She blamed the Californian forest fires on Jewish lasers from outer space. She might have got that one from Q she was (still is?) a follower.
She's a stranger to the truth

In another Facebook post, Greene promoted a conspiracy theory about Clinton, a top aide, and child murder and mutilation.

Greene has repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of mass shootings. In one such video, she suggested that the mass shooting in Las Vegas in 2017 may have been staged by gun control activists.

Connecting a series of scattershot points, Greene suggested a bank controlled by the Rothschild family, who are Jewish, a utility company responsible for the fire and then-Gov. Jerry Brown had a compelling motive to spark the blaze: clearing the path for a high speed rail project Brown wanted. She also floated the possibility that the fires could have been started by “lasers or blue beams of light” shot down from space by allies of Brown who were said to be in the solar energy industry.

“There are too many coincidences to ignore,” she wrote.

In February 2019, Greene appeared in an online video filmed at the U.S. Capitol, arguing that Democratic Reps. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan weren’t “really official” members of Congress because they didn’t take the oath of office on the Bible. Both women are Muslim.

A glance at Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s incendiary words
By BRIAN SLODYSKO
February 5, 2021
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., goes back to her office after speaking on the floor of the House Chamber on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Feb. 4, 2021. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., goes back to her office after speaking on the floor of the House Chamber on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Feb. 4, 2021.
Freshman Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, has been stripped of her committee assignments by the House Democratic majority over racist remarks, her embrace of conspiracy theories and her past endorsement of violence against leading Democratic officials.

Greene, 46, is a newcomer to politics, and previously worked for her family’s construction business in Georgia. She was labeled a “future Republican Star” by former President Donald Trump, whose political style she emulates. The House Democrats took the unusual step on Thursday.

Here’s a look at some of Greene’s past statements and social media posts, many of which were deleted after the liberal group Media Matters unearthed them online.

LAS VEGAS MASS SHOOTING
In 2017, Stephen Paddock opened fire from a hotel room window overlooking an outdoor country music festival in Las Vegas, killing 58 people. Afterward, Greene suggested that the shooting might have been staged.

“How do you get avid gun owners and people that support the Second Amendment to give up their guns and go along with anti-gun legislation?” Greene asked in an online video. “You make them scared, you make them victims and you change their mindset and then possibly you can pass anti-gun legislation. Is that what happened in Las Vegas?”

“I don’t believe (Paddock) pulled this off all by himself, and I know most of you don’t either,” Greene said.

SPACE LASERS

In 2018, a poorly maintained electrical grid sparked a California wildfire that killed 84 people. In a Facebook post in November of that year, Greene falsely speculated that darker forces were at work.

Connecting a series of scattershot points, Greene suggested a bank controlled by the Rothschild family, who are Jewish, a utility company responsible for the fire and then-Gov. Jerry Brown had a compelling motive to spark the blaze: clearing the path for a high speed rail project Brown wanted. She also floated the possibility that the fires could have been started by “lasers or blue beams of light” shot down from space by allies of Brown who were said to be in the solar energy industry.

“There are too many coincidences to ignore,” she wrote.

OMAR AND TLAIB

In February 2019, Greene appeared in an online video filmed at the U.S. Capitol, arguing that Democratic Reps. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan weren’t “really official” members of Congress because they didn’t take the oath of office on the Bible. Both women are Muslim.

“I really want to go talk to these ladies and ask them what they are thinking, and why they are serving in our American government,” Greene said. “They really should go back to the Middle East.”
Tlaib was born in Detroit. Omar was born in Somalia and came to the U.S. when she was 12, becoming a U.S. citizen five years later.

9/11 ATTACKS

In November 2018, Greene shot a video in which she talked about the 9/11 terrorist attacks, referring to a “so-called” plane that crashed into the Pentagon. She added, “It’s odd, there’s never any evidence shown for a plane in the Pentagon.”

She also “liked” a comment posted by a Facebook user in 2018 who falsely argued that 9/11 was “done by our own Gov.” Greene responded: “That is all true.”

husaberg

10th October 2022, 18:29

the Biden laptop - can you explain how the person who had the laptop, legally blind, was able to sort through thousands of e-mails to find the incriminating ones?

he will just change the subject and thrown in another hundred other gish gallops

The alleged Laptop Hunter Biden allegedly owned and allegedly dropped off and allegedly had stuff on it that the FBI has had for years with no charges no warrants no arrests as alleged doesn’t quite cut it
Mac Isaac obtained the laptop in April 2019. He asserted three years later that while he was copying individual files and folders from the laptop's hard drive to another device, he "saw some content that was disturbing and then also raised some red flags
In April 2022, The Washington Post reported that Mac Isaac said that he had seen claims about what the laptop contained that did not reflect what he had seen on the laptop: "I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop. ... And that is a major concern of mine
The Washington Post published the findings of two forensic information analysts it had retained to examine 217 gigabytes of data provided to the paper on a hard drive by Republican activist Jack Maxey, who represented that its contents came from the laptop. One of the analysts characterized the data as a "disaster" from a forensics standpoint. The analysts found that people other than Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence others had written files to the drive both before and after the October 2020 New York Post reports. In September 2020, someone created six new folders on the drive, including with the names "Biden Burisma," "Salacious Pics Package" and "Hunter. Burisma Documents." One of the analysts found evidence someone may have accessed the drive contents from a West Coast location days after The New York Post published their stories about the laptop.
According to the New York Post story, a person—who Mac Isaac could not identify because he is legally blind—left the computer at the repair shop to repair water damage, but once this was completed, the shop had no contact information for its owner, and nobody ever paid for it or came to pick it up. Criticism has been focused on Mac Isaac over inconsistencies in his accounts of how the laptop came into his possession and how he passed it on to Giuliani and the FBI. When interviewed by CBS News, Mac Isaac offered contradictory statements about his motivations. Thomas Rid, a political scientist and disinformation expert at Johns Hopkins University, noted that the emails could have been forged or that forged material could have been mixed with genuine materials, a "common feature" of disinformation operations
An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop.

pete376403

10th October 2022, 19:09

he will just change the subject thrown in another hundred other gish gallops

Yes, as an IT tech I have cloned lots of drives, copied lots of files and folders and yet I have never seen the actual content showing on screen while the cloning / copying takes place - might see a folder of file name flash up but generally the process is too fast to see whats going by. So you would have to have an email account that could open the .pst files (assuming Microsoft Outlook) and that would take an inordinate amount of time.

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 19:30

She was an oponent of mask wearing as a COVID precaution among other things.

There's plenty of reasons, including plenty of true reasons to oppose mask wearing.

Hence my point.

It's nothing to do with criticism, she was repeating information that was getting people killed.

See, that's quite the Stretch.

I could make the equally justified claim that anyone who spouts Marxist nonsense are also repeating information that was getting people killed.

The woman is an idiot, she has a growing list of "mis-speaks." Peach tree dishes for Petri dishes. Bill Gates is growng meat in peach tree dishes according to Marg.
The gazpacho for the Gestapo. She was referring to the Capitol police I believe.

Just like we have to Honor the Holocaust, right? Come on Man.

Marg says that rights are being fragrantly violated under Democrats.

And she would be correct - like for example, the Government approaching Corporations to do their dirty work (Censoring citizens)

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 19:32

the Biden laptop - can you explain how the person who had the laptop, legally blind, was able to sort through thousands of e-mails to find the incriminating ones?

You know that being Legally Blind doesn't always mean you can't see right? I have friends who are legally blind - yet can read emails (with certain screen aids) etc.

However, the question is rather a red herring - Are you trying to imply that the Laptop isn't real? IIRC the guy got curious when Hunter failed to pick it back up - then handed it over - it was the people it was handed over to that released the info.

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 19:34

he will just change the subject thrown in another hundred other gish gallops

Not at all, since I'm not actually discussing the contents of the Laptop - I'm pointing to something that is true, that was blocked as Misinformation - to prove the larger point that the difference between the two increasingly comes down to Political Affiliation.

TheDemonLord

10th October 2022, 19:49

I mean, if you are going to post logical fallacies - at least make sure they are relevant.

For example, we know Hunter Biden's laptop is his because of the countless pictures of him on it - y'know - the ones of him doing drugs, fucking hookers etc.

What you are doing is your classic Red Herring Fallacy ;)

TheDemonLord

11th October 2022, 06:52

Usual Husa-Waffle

I've also got to make the point - for someone who likes to post the definition of the ad Hominem fallacy, your post sure does contain a lot of personal attacks.

One might say this is your classic projection of all the things you are currently doing onto your opponents...

pete376403

11th October 2022, 11:36

You know that being Legally Blind doesn't always mean you can't see right? I have friends who are legally blind - yet can read emails (with certain screen aids) etc.

However, the question is rather a red herring - Are you trying to imply that the Laptop isn't real? IIRC the guy got curious when Hunter failed to pick it back up - then handed it over - it was the people it was handed over to that released the info.

I have observed a blind person using a screen reader - they are not particularly fast. And the mail archive still needs to be opened by a mail program so thats going to take a while as well, then searching the archive using key words is awkward if you don't already know what these key words are, ie what prompts a person to search for (e.g.) "ukraine" unless they have prior knowlege of what the emails are going to be about

There was a laptop that was owned by "someone", and dropped off at a repair shop by "someone, and later collected by "someone". You missed this bit (are you legally blind?)
According to the New York Post story, a person—who Mac Isaac could not identify because he is legally blind—left the computer at the repair shop to repair water damage, but once this was completed, the shop had no contact information for its owner, and nobody ever paid for it or came to pick it up. Criticism has been focused on Mac Isaac over inconsistencies in his accounts of how the laptop came into his possession and how he passed it on to Giuliani and the FBI. When interviewed by CBS News, Mac Isaac offered contradictory statements about his motivations. Thomas Rid, a political scientist and disinformation expert at Johns Hopkins University, noted that the emails could have been forged or that forged material could have been mixed with genuine materials, a "common feature" of disinformation operations
An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop.

TheDemonLord

11th October 2022, 11:58

I have observed a blind person using a screen reader - they are not particularly fast. And the mail archive still needs to be opened by a mail program so thats going to take a while as well, then searching the archive using key words is awkward if you don't already know what these key words are, ie what prompts a person to search for (e.g.) "ukraine" unless they have prior knowlege of what the emails are going to be about

I never mentioned Screen Readers - the people I'm thinking of have a thing to magnify certain items.

I'm also not entirely convinced about how long it takes to load a PST (all of 5 seconds) and then go trawling for juicy bits of gossip. Mainly because I've had to do it (on behalf of a company who owned the mail account used by an Employee) - less than half an hour to find something that confirmed the suspicions of the Employer.

There was a laptop that was owned by "someone", and dropped off at a repair shop by "someone, and later collected by "someone". You missed this bit (are you legally blind?)
According to the New York Post story, a person—who Mac Isaac could not identify because he is legally blind—left the computer at the repair shop to repair water damage, but once this was completed, the shop had no contact information for its owner, and nobody ever paid for it or came to pick it up. Criticism has been focused on Mac Isaac over inconsistencies in his accounts of how the laptop came into his possession and how he passed it on to Giuliani and the FBI. When interviewed by CBS News, Mac Isaac offered contradictory statements about his motivations.

Are you trying to say that it ISN'T Hunter Biden's Laptop? Because I'm pretty sure that this has been conclusively proven that it's his Laptop.

Owing to the multitude of Pictures of him on it - with things like Skittles on his Junk. I mean, he was an avid drug user, so the notion that They drugged him up and took multiple pictures isn't completely far-fetched.

Thomas Rid, a political scientist and disinformation expert at Johns Hopkins University, noted that the emails could have been forged or that forged material could have been mixed with genuine materials, a "common feature" of disinformation operations

So, someone who believed and helped propagate the Russian Hoax, believes it's Russia....

Riiiiiiight.

An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop.

Ah yes, another Rabid Left-wing entity (resplendent with a Pride flag in their Logo...) says it isn't True! Well I guess that settles it!

Sounds a lot like a Conspiracy.

Perhaps Russian Misinformation.

I mean - I've been hauled over the metaphorical coals for a lot lot less.

Getting back to the point - in this example - whether the Emails are 100% legit or have been fiddled with is neither here nor there - the point was - the Laptop was real, it was declared as Misinformation At the behest of an FBI who knew it made their Guy - Joe Biden look bad and Censured, which we later got confirmation that the Laptop was real.

It wasn't just that there was potentially (according to your source, whom I completely disregard as biased to the point of untrustworthy) less than 0.1% of emails had issues, it was that the entire story was fake.

The pictures of Hunter doing drugs? Fake.
Pictures of him fucking hookers? Fake.
Emails of him doing corrupt things in Ukraine? Fake.

pritch

11th October 2022, 13:43

See, that's quite the Stretch.

I could make the equally justified claim that anyone who spouts Marxist nonsense are also repeating information that was getting people killed.

FFS! Over a million people died, many of whom didn't need to. Many died because of a mental case posing as a president and their 'freedumb'.

Just like we have to Honor the Holocaust, right? Come on Man.

I have no idea what you are on about. She confused gazpacho, a chilled tomato soup, with the Gestapo. Two very different things.
Who has to Honor (sic) the Holocaust? That's a rhetorical question, you don't need to answer.

And she would be correct - like for example, the Government approaching Corporations to do their dirty work (Censoring citizens)

She is correct? You really need to brush up your reading skills.

This:
fragrant
Having a pleasant odor.
Affecting the olfactory nerves agreeably; sweet of smell; odorous; having or emitting an agreeable perfume.
Sweet-smelling; having a pleasant (usually strong) scent or fragrance.

Is not the same as this:
Flagrant
Conspicuously bad, offensive, or reprehensible.
Flaming; blazing.
Flaming; inflamed; glowing; burning; ardent.

TheDemonLord

11th October 2022, 14:09

FFS! Over a million people died, many of whom didn't need to. Many died because of a mental case posing as a president and their 'freedumb'.

What is the price of Freedom? What was it on the 6th of June? What was it on the 3rd of September? What is it every year for preventable health ailments? What is it for the Road Toll?

Let's put that number into perspective - sounds like a lot, right? 700,000 Americans die of Heart Disease every year many of whom don't need to.

However, the real question (which is the one you ignored) is what culpability should people have for spreading things that have negative consequences? Given that Communism killed between 100-200 million people in the 20th century many of whom didn't need to die is their culpability any more or less than someone who spreads their opinion about Health interventions (some of which are not as clear-cut as you make them out to be)?

Many died because of their own choices (which includes their Freedom) to be Obese - something like 50% of hospitalizations had this as a factor - and I say this as someone who struggles with weight.

Ultimately the Individual gets to pick and choose what information and what courses of action they take to protect themselves. That freedom is innate. It also means that some people are going to die as a consequence of their own stupidity.

I have no idea what you are on about. She confused gazpacho, a chilled tomato soup, with the Gestapo. Two very different things.
Who has to Honor (sic) the Holocaust? That's a rhetorical question, you don't need to answer.

It was Joe Biden. I even gave you the hint with the 'Come on Man'.

Funny how it wasn't front-page news (or at least, not on the news sites that you visit) as an example of how stupid Biden clearly is, yet everytime a Right-Winger makes a Gaffe...

She is correct? You really need to brush up your reading skills.

This:
fragrant
Having a pleasant odor.
Affecting the olfactory nerves agreeably; sweet of smell; odorous; having or emitting an agreeable perfume.
Sweet-smelling; having a pleasant (usually strong) scent or fragrance.

Is not the same as this:
Flagrant
Conspicuously bad, offensive, or reprehensible.
Flaming; blazing.
Flaming; inflamed; glowing; burning; ardent.

Yep - the Rights violations do stink under the Democrats, often with the distinct aroma of Bullshit.

pete376403

11th October 2022, 15:36

I have pictures of Valentino Rossi on my laptop.That (by your logic) proves my laptop is owned by Valentino Rossi. I can ride like him, too.

husaberg

11th October 2022, 15:48

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husaberg

11th October 2022, 15:49

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TheDemonLord

11th October 2022, 15:50

I have pictures of Valentino Rossi on my laptop.That (by your logic) proves my laptop is owned by Valentino Rossi. I can ride like him, too.

Do you have pictures of Rossi with Skittles on his Dick?

If not, I'm gonna be skeptical of the ownership.

In case you've missed it - I'm talking about Private pictures that aren't found in any other source except the Laptop

Berries

11th October 2022, 16:08

I watched a blind man playing around with a cheese grater on a bus once.

He said it was the most violent book he had ever read.

TheDemonLord

11th October 2022, 18:48

yeah seems 100% totally legit........

.

Congrats - you've both copied and pasted the same section of an article and seem to be presenting it as if it's two different discrediting opinions.

There was an image that you would often post, I believe of a WW2 Propagandist - something about lies being repeated in order to become 'truth'

Projection really does seem to suit you ;)

pete376403

11th October 2022, 19:15

husaberg

11th October 2022, 20:22

You have personally viewed these pictures? Can you provide a URL where others can also see them?

one would have to wonder what device he took the photos on......my laptop whilst capable, is a but unwieldy for taking photos.
i know for instance many Hollywood celebs had their phones and other devices hacked for photos.
As for Hunter Bidens other stuff, who cares he's not a candidate for anythink i am aware of, if he's guilty of shit, arrest him, i support throwing throwing the book at him if he broke the law. But the same rules should apply for trumps family and himself. Hunters only ever throw out as a excuse for Trumps supporters to deflect from his issues.
All the shit about his drinking hookers and coke are hardly new news. it was in his book and published already anyway from his wives ffs.

MAR. 3, 2017
Hunter Biden’s Wife Alleges He Spent ‘Extravagantly’ on Drugs, Prostitutes, and Strip Clubs
https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/divorce-filing-claims-hunter-biden-bought-drugs-prostitutes.html

I have observed a blind person using a screen reader - they are not particularly fast. And the mail archive still needs to be opened by a mail program so thats going to take a while as well, then searching the archive using key words is awkward if you don't already know what these key words are, ie what prompts a person to search for (e.g.) "ukraine" unless they have prior knowlege of what the emails are going to be about

There was a laptop that was owned by "someone", and dropped off at a repair shop by "someone, and later collected by "someone". You missed this bit (are you legally blind?)
According to the New York Post story, a person—who Mac Isaac could not identify because he is legally blind—left the computer at the repair shop to repair water damage, but once this was completed, the shop had no contact information for its owner, and nobody ever paid for it or came to pick it up. Criticism has been focused on Mac Isaac over inconsistencies in his accounts of how the laptop came into his possession and how he passed it on to Giuliani and the FBI. When interviewed by CBS News, Mac Isaac offered contradictory statements about his motivations. Thomas Rid, a political scientist and disinformation expert at Johns Hopkins University, noted that the emails could have been forged or that forged material could have been mixed with genuine materials, a "common feature" of disinformation operations
An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop.

yeah seems 100% totally legit..:laugh:......

The alleged Laptop Hunter Biden allegedly owned and allegedly dropped off and allegedly had stuff on it that the FBI has had for years with no charges no warrants no arrests, as alleged doesn’t quite cut it
Mac Isaac obtained the laptop in April 2019. He asserted three years later that while he was copying individual files and folders from the laptop's hard drive to another device, he "saw some content that was disturbing and then also raised some red flags
In April 2022, The Washington Post reported that Mac Isaac said that he had seen claims about what the laptop contained that did not reflect what he had seen on the laptop: "I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop. ... And that is a major concern of mine
“I can’t imagine how many hands and fingers have touched that drive,” he said.

As much as he disapproved of Hunter, he said, his sense of honor compelled him to say that the child-porn rumors were untrue and that some widely circulated images attributed to the laptop were phony.
The Washington Post published the findings of two forensic information analysts it had retained to examine 217 gigabytes of data provided to the paper on a hard drive by Republican activist Jack Maxey, who represented that its contents came from the laptop. One of the analysts characterized the data as a "disaster" from a forensics standpoint. The analysts found that people other than Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence others had written files to the drive both before and after the October 2020 New York Post reports. In September 2020, someone created six new folders on the drive, including with the names "Biden Burisma," "Salacious Pics Package" and "Hunter. Burisma Documents." One of the analysts found evidence someone may have accessed the drive contents from a West Coast location days after The New York Post published their stories about the laptop.
According to the New York Post story, a person—who Mac Isaac could not identify because he is legally blind—left the computer at the repair shop to repair water damage, but once this was completed, the shop had no contact information for its owner, and nobody ever paid for it or came to pick it up. Criticism has been focused on Mac Isaac over inconsistencies in his accounts of how the laptop came into his possession and how he passed it on to Giuliani and the FBI. When interviewed by CBS News, Mac Isaac offered contradictory statements about his motivations. Thomas Rid, a political scientist and disinformation expert at Johns Hopkins University, noted that the emails could have been forged or that forged material could have been mixed with genuine materials, a "common feature" of disinformation operations
An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop.

he will keeping throwing out strawman gish gallops and other ploys, you will never get a direct answer.

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oh look

Twitter Wins Dismissal of Defamation Suit in Florida Federal Court

A Florida federal court recently dismissed a defamation lawsuit brought against social media giant Twitter in a case related to documents allegedly obtained from President Biden’s son Hunter’s laptop.1 The plaintiff, John Paul Mac Isaac, garnered national media attention as the former owner of a Delaware computer repair shop who allegedly obtained Hunter Biden’s laptop. He sued Twitter and a Florida company (Madbits LLC), claiming that Twitter allegedly defamed him through a series of public tweets.
In a sixteen-page opinion that dismissed Isaac’s complaint with prejudice and awarded Twitter its attorney’s fees and costs under Florida’s anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation) statute, Judge Beth Bloom agreed with Twitter. In dismissing the claim, the court focused on the fact that the only persons identified in Twitter’s explanations of its decision to lock the account were The New York Post, Hunter Biden, a “Ukrainian biz man” and “dad” – “not Isaac, his business, or any other descriptive information that made Isaac’s identity readily ascertainable.”
The district judge dismissed the case with prejudice, meaning Mac Isaac can't re-file it in court.

How does this compare with "thanks for offering to let me meet your dad" with Donald Trump Jr.’s and Jared Kushner’s Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents who had promised Eric Trump some “dirt on Hillary” if their dad would repeal the Magnitsky Act
The Global Magnitsky Act of 2016 authorizes the U.S. government to sanction foreign government officials worldwide who are deemed to be human rights offenders– and Trump’s subsequent, “Russia if you’re listening, [publish] Hillary’s 30,000 emails.”

TheDemonLord

12th October 2022, 07:09

You have personally viewed these pictures? Can you provide a URL where others can also see them?

Not easily. And more importantly, not Legally

Some of the pictures have Females of unknown age shall we say. Not saying they are definitely underage - just saying they look young.
Some of the pictures would fall under the revenge-porn laws.

I've seen clips where parts have been censored - Enough to get a very definitive idea of what's going on. Hunter is pretty distinctive. Unfortunately most of those compilations seem to have been yeeted from the Internet, probably under the guise of the above - but as we all know - the blade of Censorship only ever cuts one way.

This is probably the closest I can get:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/naked-hunter-biden-cavorts-with-hooker-and-illegal-gun-photos/

You get the idea - so to be clear, we've got multiple documented Federal crimes (Prostitution, Drug use, illegally obtaining a Firearm etc.

TheDemonLord

12th October 2022, 07:13

one would have to wonder what device he took the photos on......my laptop whilst capable, is a but unwieldy for taking photos.

Take pictures on phone, sync to laptop. One doesn't have to Wonder that hard or long...

As for Hunter Bidens other stuff, who cares he's not a candidate for anythink i am aware of

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooah.

Considering you and everyone else has been harping on since 2016 about Trump's family, suddenly you don't care if they aren't a Candidate? I mean if it wasn't for Double Standards, you'd have no standards at all.

if he's guilty of shit, arrest him, i support throwing throwing the book at him if he broke the law.

Cool, so why hasn't he? Maybe because his last name is Biden. If the FBI went after Hunter with 1/100th of the zeal they are going after Trump, then Hunter would be languishing in a cell for a very long time.

That he hasn't is part of the problem.

But the same rules should apply for trumps family and himself. Hunters only ever throw out as a excuse for Trumps supporters to deflect from his issues.
All the shit about his drinking hookers and coke are hardly new news. it was in his book and published already anyway from his wives ffs.

MAR. 3, 2017
Hunter Biden’s Wife Alleges He Spent ‘Extravagantly’ on Drugs, Prostitutes, and Strip Clubs
https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/divorce-filing-claims-hunter-biden-bought-drugs-prostitutes.html

So, you are confirming that Biden does drugs and fucks hookers - then when I say that there are pictures of him on his laptop doing drugs and fucking hookers - you are trying to say this is somehow Fake?

Yeah, 100% Totally Legit.

yeah seems 100% totally legit..:laugh:......

Repeating the same biased sources is not a rebuttal. It's just repeating a lie in the hopes it becomes 'true' isn't going to fly.

he will keeping throwing out strawman gish gallops and other ploys, you will never get a direct answer.

That is literally what you are doing with all the red herrings you post.

oh look

The district judge dismissed the case with prejudice, meaning Mac Isaac can't re-file it in court.

Cool, another Red Herring.

How does this compare with "thanks for offering to let me meet your dad" with Donald Trump Jr.’s and Jared Kushner’s Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents who had promised Eric Trump some “dirt on Hillary” if their dad would repeal the Magnitsky Act – and Trump’s subsequent, “Russia if you’re listening, [publish] Hillary’s 30,000 emails.”

I mean the last one is clearly said in jest.

The others - it's not as bad as hiding a meeting with the VP of the US for a little corrupt side-scheme in Ukraine.

pritch

12th October 2022, 08:40

Considering you and everyone else has been harping on since 2016 about Trump's family, suddenly you don't care if they aren't a Candidate? I mean if it wasn't for Double Standards, you'd have no standards at all.

It's not difficult. Hunter Biden is not a member of his father's administration. Kushner and Ivanka were appointed to positions in his administration by Trump, despite laws designed to prevent exactly that sort of nepotism. The Trump sons while not members of his administration campaigned continuously for their father.

Hunter Biden is a private citizen.

TheDemonLord

12th October 2022, 08:45

It's not difficult. Hunter Biden is not a member of his father's administration. Kushner and Ivanka were appointed to positions in his administration by Trump, despite laws designed to prevent exactly that sort of nepotism. The Trump sons while not members of his administration campaigned continuously for their father.

Hunter Biden is a private citizen.

One rule for Thee, another for Me.

And considering that Hunter's employment appointment(s) were solely on the basis of him being the son of and direct access to Joe Biden - yeah, I'm not sure that excuse holds water.

But hey - I'll be generous - if you want to retract every accusation against Trump's Children that you've made (Not a member of his Administrtion, Just private Citizens) - then sure, I'll do likewise.

Something tells me, however, that you won't - and so neither shall I.

sugilite

12th October 2022, 10:33

Behold the next evolution of a maga rally - the meagre rally :laugh:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/10/only-27-people-turn-up-for-pro-donald-trump-rally-at-capitol-grounds-in-washington-dc.html

TheDemonLord

12th October 2022, 10:37

sugilite

12th October 2022, 11:13

What, wait, you mean Biden was in attendance? :laugh:

TheDemonLord

12th October 2022, 11:24

What, wait, you mean Biden was in attendance? :laugh:

If that was true, the turn-out would be smaller :P

pete376403

12th October 2022, 12:20

Not easily. And more importantly, not Legally

Some of the pictures have Females of unknown age shall we say. Not saying they are definitely underage - just saying they look young.
Some of the pictures would fall under the revenge-porn laws.

I've seen clips where parts have been censored - Enough to get a very definitive idea of what's going on. Hunter is pretty distinctive. Unfortunately most of those compilations seem to have been yeeted from the Internet, probably under the guise of the above - but as we all know - the blade of Censorship only ever cuts one way.

This is probably the closest I can get:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/naked-hunter-biden-cavorts-with-hooker-and-illegal-gun-photos/

You get the idea - so to be clear, we've got multiple documented Federal crimes (Prostitution, Drug use, illegally obtaining a Firearm etc.

You didnt really answer the question have you seen photos that prove what you claim? If you have then you have a crime as by your own words "not easily and definitely not legally" and "looking young" - does this mean you have been viewing kiddie porn? The photos you link to show a torso that could be any male, other photos show the head. Somehow I doubt that would be accepted in court as definite proof. There is no evidence that proves the gun is real or a replica, even the New York News article states that. All this provided by a dodgy website Marco Polo Group (a wack conspiracy site if ever I have seen one) The internet browser history that the Marco Polo site posts could have come from anyones computer, even yours, nothing to prove it was Bidens.

TheDemonLord

12th October 2022, 14:54

You didnt really answer the question have you seen photos that prove what you claim?

I have definitely seen pictures of Hunter Biden doing drugs. Specifically, a Crack Pipe. Not a Tobacco pipe a Marijuana Pipe or another pipe that if we are stretching for absolute deniability could *potentially* have another substance in, but a Crack Pipe, whose sole purpose is to smoke Crack.

Does that answer your question?

If you have then you have a crime as by your own words "not easily and definitely not legally" and "looking young" - does this mean you have been viewing kiddie porn?

There have been questions raised about the age of some of the participants in the pictures. Those that I have seen have had anything that would be illegal blanked out - so that answers your second question.

As I said, the ones that I saw - the faces looked young.

The photos you link to show a torso that could be any male, other photos show the head. Somehow I doubt that would be accepted in court as definite proof.

It could be anyone...

Are we playing that game? Really? I mean if I pulled that level of denial for half the things alleged about Trump...

Did you scroll down where you can see his FACE, in the same room, with the same furniture, in the same state of undress, with the same wristband on his right hand?

Oh, but it could be anyone guys. Anyone at all.

There is no evidence that proves the gun is real or a replica, even the New York News article states that.

He refers to it as such - and it matches the make/model from the receipt from the Gun Store that has been verified by Politico (whose audience is moderate to Left Leaning)

All this provided by a dodgy website Marco Polo Group (a wack conspiracy site if ever I have seen one) The internet browser history that the Marco Polo site posts could have come from anyones computer, even yours, nothing to prove it was Bidens.

I didn't say anything about his Internet Browser history though, Did I? So let's put that red herring down.

When you've got his face on Camera, in a series of pictures, in the same room, with the same furniture, where he is wearing the same items and the pictures are of a contiguous nature - I think we've got to the point of beyond reasonable doubt.

Furthermore if all those pictures can trace their origin to the Laptop (meaning that they were private) - we can reasonably conclude that it was his Laptop, those are his pictures, and they show him committing crimes.

But hey - if you want to believe that someone saw a single picture with his face in and then got a body double, got the same jewelry, furniture items etc. in order to incriminate him, kinda sounds like a theory, one might say a Conspiracy theory.

husaberg

12th October 2022, 17:09

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husaberg

12th October 2022, 19:43

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pritch

13th October 2022, 21:19

There are tapes.

sugilite

14th October 2022, 06:38

Haha, saw that Pritch, this one will be really hard for herr trump to get out from under it. Happy days!

pritch

14th October 2022, 07:49

What an exit. Liz Cheney, who is almost certainly about to be voted out in the mid-term elections, moved a resolution before the Jan 6th Committee. As the hearing closed she moved that Donald J Trump be subpoenaed to appear before the committee. The vote was unanimous.

Trump is having a couple of really bad days.

Laava

14th October 2022, 09:33

This cunt needs to be made an example of for americas sake.

sugilite

14th October 2022, 09:36

I dunno Pritch, just another subpoena for trump to ignore. These subpoenas seem pretty toothless to be honest. Both sides have a history of ignoring them.

TheDemonLord

14th October 2022, 09:40

I dunno Pritch, just another subpoena for trump to ignore. These subpoenas seem pretty toothless to be honest. Both sides have a history of ignoring them.

Pretty much my thoughts entirely.

1/32 man

14th October 2022, 09:46

This cunt needs to be made an example of for americas sake.

I'd buy that for a dollar

F5 Dave

14th October 2022, 09:52

Ahh, RoboCop.

TheDemonLord

14th October 2022, 09:52

This cunt needs to be made an example of for americas sake.

Biden is doing an amazing job of making Trump an Example...

Just not the kind you are thinking of

sugilite

14th October 2022, 10:25

sugilite

14th October 2022, 11:49

Now Trump is having a bad day lol

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/supreme-court-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html

pritch

14th October 2022, 16:13

I dunno Pritch, just another subpoena for trump to ignore. These subpoenas seem pretty toothless to be honest. Both sides have a history of ignoring them.

He does ignore them and when POTUS he told others to as well. They are only toothless because of the way they have been handled. If he ignores this particular subpoena he could potentially be locked up and dragged to the hearing in irons. As unlikely as that may be. Previously Congress wasn't sure the Capitol Police would be on their side. Following Trump's failed coup attempt, which killed one off them and sent about 140 others to hospital, they might be onside now?

He has also been subpoenaed to appear in the New York fraud case. The prosecutor in that case has also applied for an immediate injunction to stop him moving assets to a new Trump company, which he is allegedly trying to do, and to stop him continuing to commit fraud, which she also alleges he is still doing. Of course.

Contempt of Congress is more of a threat to lawyers. Some states disbar a lawyer charged with contempt of Congress. When Bill Barr was threatened because he ignored a subpoena he begged them not to charge him, and the soft bastards relented.

Oh, and Trump's appeal to the Supreme Court has been denied. He's having a bad few days.

pritch

14th October 2022, 16:23

Well, when Elizabeth Warren claimed Indian blood lines, Trump labeled her pochohontas, i wonder what fun nick name he will dream up for hershall?
https://www.yahoo.com/now/herschel-walker-mom-rebuts-claim-022529018.html

Mom says he is a liar, son says he is a liar, girlfriend has receipts for the abortion he paid for and a kid to him later on. In other words, the perfect maga candidate :laugh:

He claimed he was in the FBI, he wasn't. He claimed he graduated from university with honours. He didn't graduate at all.

There are memes about all the things Walker claimed that were untrue. He can't string a sentence together. He gets really stupid ideas, even for a Republican. He doesn't need to be clever though, if elected all he needs to do is vote how he's told. He's a sad case really, too many knocks to the head?

pritch

15th October 2022, 20:26

Laava

15th October 2022, 22:19

I was looking for the tear stains

husaberg

15th October 2022, 22:44

Herewith Trump's letter to the Jan 6 Committee. He uses the word "our" despite he himself being the only signatory. He includes a number of photographs to justify his claims of crowd size. There is even the now almost mandatory mention of... Hunter Biden's laptop. He makes no mention of the subpoena though.

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/27/27b7896f-01c5-4609-93c7-742e5cb22e96/830-am-final-january-6th-committee-letter14446.pdf?utm_medium=email_hf&utm_source=ncl__&utm_campaign=20221014___sa&utm_content=__6167&_nlid=test123&_nhids=TEST

Not only that

Trump"In addition, the Unselect Committee has willfully ignored the fact that days before
January 6, 2021, I recommended and authorized thousands of troops to be deployed to ensure that there was peace, safety, and security at the Capitol and throughout Washington, D.C. on January 6th because I knew, just based on instinct and what I was hearing, that the crowd coming to listen to my speech, and variousothers, would be a very big one, far bigger than anyone thought possible."

Following my authorization, the Department of Defense was surprised to receive a wholesale refusal, in writing, from D.C. Mayor
Muriel Bowser and the Capitol Police, who do not report to me, but report to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. The law requires their authorization before any troop deployment could be utilized in Washington, D.C.

Only in reality.

There is no record of former President Donald Trump authorizing or requesting thousands of National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

Several Trump administration officials who have testified before the House select committee investigating Jan. 6 said they never heard Trump request National Guard support before or during the attack.

Congressional Democrats did not deny a request for troops. The D.C. National Guard reports only to the president. If such a request had been made, they would not have had the authority to deny it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/10/facebook-posts/no-proof-trump-asked-troops-jan-6-or-democrats-den/#sources

The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President.
https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

pritch

16th October 2022, 08:12

The D.C. National Guard reports only to the president.

That makes sense. Usually it's the state governor who controls the National Guard. Not being a state, the District of Columbia does not have a governor.

husaberg

16th October 2022, 13:06

That makes sense. Usually it's the state governor who controls the National Guard. Not being a state, the District of Columbia does not have a governor.
Yes, it even says on on the official govt website.
https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

Today’s D.C. National Guard remains strong with more than 2,700 Soldiers and Airmen available to execute its missions. D.C. National Guard Soldiers and Airmen resides within the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia, and are proud to be from the communities in which we protect and serve.
The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army. The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President.

The D.C. National Guard provides mission-ready personnel and units for active duty in the armed services in the time of war or national emergency. The D.C. National Guard also retains the mission as protector of the District of Columbia.

I wonder if its also on hunter bidens laptop.

Trump mentions his crowds in the letter
Only it turns out trump has a history of paying for crowds
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/donald-trump-campaign-offered-actors-803161/.

Donald Trump‘s big presidential announcement Tuesday was made a little bigger with help from paid actors — at $50 a pop.

New York-based Extra Mile Casting sent an email last Friday to its client list of background actors, seeking extras to beef up attendance at Trump’s event.

“We are looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement,” reads the June 12 email, obtained by The Hollywood Reporter. “We understand this is not a traditional ‘background job,’ but we believe acting comes in all forms and this is inclusive of that school of thought.”

Hi there—

We are working helping one of are [sic] associates out at Gotham GR – http://gothamgr.com/ with a big event happening on TUESDAY 6/16/15.
This is an event in support of Donald Trump and an upcoming exciting announcement he will be making at this event.
This event is called “People for a Stronger America.” The entire group is a pro-small business group that is dedicated to encouraging Donald Trump and his latest ventures. This event will be televised.
We are looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement.
We understand this is not a traditional “background job,” but we believe acting comes in all forms and this is inclusive of that school of thought.
This event is happening LIVE and will be from 8:45AM-11:30AM. LESS THAN 3 HOURS
This will take place inside / interior.
The rate for this is: $50 CASH at the end of the event.
We would love to book you if you are interested and still available.
Please let us know and we will get back to you with confirmation.

pete376403

16th October 2022, 15:11

Yes, it even says on on the official govt website.
https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

Trump mentions his crowds in the letter
Only it turns out trump has a history of paying for crowds
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/donald-trump-campaign-offered-actors-803161/.

I wonder if they actually got paid.

pritch

16th October 2022, 15:50

I wonder if they actually got paid.

Reportedly payment was forthcoming, if very late.

husaberg

16th October 2022, 15:58

I wonder if they actually got paid.

it looks like they actually did....:shit:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-campaign-actors-announcement/

The report notes that while the Trump campaign denied knowing about hired actors, it did pay $12,000 to a contractor (Gotham) four months after the event took place. The report also notes that Gotham hired Extra Mile Casting as a subcontractor “to provide administrative support at Trump’s announcement.”

Both the campaign and Gotham gave vague descriptions of the services provided by Extra Mile, but the FEC report notes those services included providing “at least some” of the rally attendees:
But one year after Trump’s announcement, the story resurfaced when the Federal Election Commission (FEC) released a report detailing its findings on a complaint over allegations the Trump campaign violated election law with the alleged hiring of actors.
https://eqs.fec.gov/eqsdocsMUR/17044405316.pdf
The report fount that trumps campaign had done this but i am sure :"hunter Bidins laptop crooked Hilary. fake news left anfanta stolen election"

pritch

16th October 2022, 17:58

Amazing story in the Washington Post, sadly it’s behind a pay wall.

One of the founders of Trump’s “media empire,” Will Wilkerson, has sought whistle blower status with the Securities Exchange Commission, the body that governs the US stock market.

Some details are as follows:

As the share value of Trump’s new media company appreciated Trump called a founding director, Andy Litinsky, and instructed him to sign his shareholding over to Melania. Litinsky replied to the effect that such a gift would attract a huge tax bill, far beyond what he could pay.
“Do whatever you need to do,” said Trump.

Litinsky didn’t transfer the shares and subsequently found that he’d been removed from the board. None of the procedures normally followed in such circumstances had been applied.

Later Trump’s sons turned up asking for large stakes in the company despite having had little or no involvement.

Some of the proposals presented to meetings were considered so improper that executives thought it may have been a Government sting operation and that somebody was wearing a wire.

There are mentions of Trump ringing in a rage, and of Junior arriving and demanding money. Then Nunes was appointed and demanded staff arrive early and leave late. He then brought in people loyal to him which created friction. His salary was $750,000 to start but he had no experience working with a tech company. (In recent years. while in Congress, he’d listed his occupation as “farmer” but he had no farm.)

The share value has dropped from a peak of $175 to $18.00 Friday.

Trump has four million followers on Truth Social compared to the 88 million he had at his peak on Twitter.

There is a lot more in the article but it would seem there is even more to come.

F5 Dave

16th October 2022, 18:17

Is it at all possible that he is a cockhead loser?

Asking for a friend.

husaberg

16th October 2022, 19:43

Trump Furious at Herschel Walker: "Only a Loser Pays His Bills"

PALM BEACH (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump has angrily withdrawn his support from the U.S. Senate candidate Herschel Walker because, in the former President’s words, “only a loser pays his bills.”

Reports that Walker paid a bill in 2009 “made me very upset and, quite frankly, very mad, because it means that Herschel, who I thought was a tremendous guy and very smart, is not so smart and maybe even a big dummy,” Trump posted on his social-media platform, Truth Social.

“I have never paid a bill in my life, and I can’t support someone who has,” Trump continued. “If Herschel, who now seems like a giant loser, paid this bill, does that mean he paid his lawyer, too? His gardener? This should never be allowed to happen in this country.”

Trump said he is now demanding that all candidates he supports come forward with proof that they have never paid for anything.

unfortunately the truth is far worse
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.
When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

pritch

20th October 2022, 09:27

About the size of it.

Grumph

21st October 2022, 08:07

I was amused to read that the Congressional Comittee wishing to depose Trump's testimony couldn't find any of his lawyers authorised to accept the summonds.

I now see that he's tapped another firm of lawyers already representing witnesses, Whose principal is a senior Republican and one of those who came up with the strategy to deny the election results. I'd pick she's going to need a lawyer fairly soon too.

Laava

21st October 2022, 09:08

You know its serious when even tdl stops denying.

TheDemonLord

21st October 2022, 09:25

You know its serious when even tdl stops denying.

Not really, there's nothing of interest going on.

sugilite

21st October 2022, 10:13

When did rubio start lying wholesale? Well when Trump corrupted the american conservatives movement, that's when. They all have orange stains on their chins now, quite sad actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx0uEsqIPVw

pritch

21st October 2022, 12:04

Demings should win. Micro Rubio doesn't even turn up to vote much of the time. Then again Florida... Florida competes with Texas to have the highest number of crooked politicians.

pritch

21st October 2022, 13:02

Just on the off chance anybody was wondering... In one of Trump's many courtcases he is being sued by a woman who claims he raped her. Trump denied this, said she wasn't his type and said she was lying. The statute of limitations ruled out her charging him with rape, so she is sueing Trump for defamation, for calling her a liar.

She has the dress she wore on that occasion which she claims still contains the DNA of her rapist. All Trump has to do is give a cheek swab and, if innocent, it would clear his name. Strangely he will not agree to provide a sample.

The Justice Dept is defending Trump. His defence is that he said these things while he was president so he was acting in his official capacity. The Justice Dept don't want all and sundry taking legal actions against a sitting president so they agreed to defend Trump in this case.

The other day he finally had to give a deposition, so he went off on an unhinged rant on Truth Social. Among other things he wrote that the woman wasn't his type and accused her of lying.

Bingo! He's not the president now, he's a private citizen. Not even the resources of the US Justice Dept can save him from himself.

https://uproxx.com/viral/trump-e-jean-carroll-defamation-case-ruined-truth-social-post/

R650R

30th October 2022, 06:59

It seems like Trumps former adversary is now on his side. She is openly saying there could be election fraud next time 😂😂😂😂😂😂

https://youtu.be/xkYImjpllu4

husaberg

30th October 2022, 11:09

Last plaintiff a defense lawyer ever wants to take the stand under oath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLMr2Ck9KVo&t=876s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnVpGoyKfKU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4hM3Z-z3Rs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_lOPz55fHs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/03/trump-claims-one-of-the-great-memories-of-all-time-its-certainly-one-of-the-most-convenient/

pritch

30th October 2022, 11:21

It seems like Trumps former adversary is now on his side. She is openly saying there could be election fraud next time 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ask me, I'll openly say it too. It's taking place in full view. They failed on Jan 6th but the architects of Trump's failed coup haven't gone away, they've been working on making it better next time. Next time the people running it will be smarter than Trump. They'd have to be, they couldn't be more stupid.

husaberg

30th October 2022, 11:47

A Next time the people running it will be smarter than Trump. They'd have to be, they couldn't be more stupid.

Remember Trump does have spawn.

Donald Trump is not smart at all, a small smattering of evidence being his suggestion that Americans inject household cleaner into their veins; his bright idea to stop hurricanes by dropping nuclear bombs on them; his decision to look directly at a solar eclipse multiple times without protective eyewear; and his claim that one can get cancer from the sound of windmills.
But the children, too, are clearly dumber than a bag of bricks.
Ivanka Trump reportedly believed—and could not be convinced otherwise—that “libertarian” and “liberal” were the same thing.
Donald Trump Jr. was declared too stupid to collude by Robert Mueller. ,
Eric Trump And according to a new account of election night 2020apparently had no idea how vote counting works, in that he doesn’t understand that election officials don’t just stop counting votes when the candidate he wants to win is ahead.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/eric-trump-election-night-votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvndXb-7XtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f5zPYhAfSo

TheDemonLord

30th October 2022, 12:56

Ask me, I'll openly say it too. It's taking place in full view. They failed on Jan 6th but the architects of Trump's failed coup haven't gone away, they've been working on making it better next time. Next time the people running it will be smarter than Trump. They'd have to be, they couldn't be more stupid.

So Stupid that the 2nd Amendment loving Republicans forgot to bring their guns to overthrow the Government.

Really makes *total* sense.

onearmedbandit

30th October 2022, 13:28

The tribal trap.

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Grumph

30th October 2022, 13:32

Interesting, given the time that has elapsed, no response or statement fromTrump about the attack on the Pelosis.

Plenty of responses both good and self- serving from other Republicans though.

husaberg

30th October 2022, 13:35

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/60100332_2749513315141705_2757209849723879424_n.pn g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=61IokEEiTmYAX-yqrUn&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=00_AfDgfqpqSTskuldp79puwil-TQI2GfM79foE0LXsuLe7Fg&oe=63818FD6https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOJYC8dWoAECIE8.jpghttps://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-83af7792b73af183b6b06737813ee459-lqhttps://preview.redd.it/j39yqe1140c61.jpg?auto=webp&f1194fe6https://whyevolutionistrue.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/facebook_1501012569972.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Zdx97A63s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs6mBh2uXRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNIJH5gufaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OeeHz0uNdM&t=880s

pritch

31st October 2022, 11:24

So Stupid that the 2nd Amendment loving Republicans forgot to bring their guns to overthrow the Government.

Really makes *total* sense.

Actually it is total sense.

I don't know where you get your misinformation. They didn't forget their guns, they had them. Many in the crowd were armed, so they wouldn't go through the metal detectors where Trump was speaking. Trump wanted the detectors removed, "They're not here to hurt me."

In addition to people in the crowd being armed, there were guys with rifles in trees. The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and other groups had caches of arms nearby, they were awaiting Trump's call to arms. That's all a matter of record: Police comms transcripts and evidence from Republicans at the Jan 6 Commission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfevrjrazlc

TheDemonLord

31st October 2022, 13:03

Actually it is total sense.

I don't know where you get your misinformation. They didn't forget their guns, they had them. Many in the crowd were armed, so they wouldn't go through the metal detectors where Trump was speaking. Trump wanted the detectors removed, "They're not here to hurt me."

Okay - From a picture taken at the January 6th incident - all I want is something that looks the pictures you can see here:

https://www.google.com/search?q=michigan+militia+protest&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALiCzsbTUnCa1Ry7JvtZ8BAymg50EzrA7g:166717743 4295&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi3pv71n4n7AhUxC7cAHdu3CzUQ_AUoAnoECAIQB A&biw=1920&bih=955&dpr=1

That's my threshold.

Multiple people, Tactical gear, Rifles slung or low-ready and Pistols holstered. Those pictures are taken from a Republican anti-lockdown and anti-Gun legislation protest in Michigan.

Show me a picture of people like that, in the capitol building, from Jan 6th and I'll concede the point.

But you cannot. Because such a picture does not exist.

because if it did exist, it would be front and centre of every Left-Wing media outlet report on Jan 6th and every anti-2nd amendment opinion piece from then until eternity.

In addition to people in the crowd being armed, there were guys with rifles in trees. The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and other groups had caches of arms nearby, they were awaiting Trump's call to arms. That's all a matter of record: Police comms transcripts and evidence from Republicans at the Jan 6 Commission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfevrjrazlc

You're taking the word here, in that video, of someone whom we have objective evidence that they are at best mistaken - whose testimony makes it sound like Trump (a nearly 80 Year old) could fight off Secret Service Agents?

Seriously?

I mean guys with Rifles in Trees sounds like a Vietnam flashback... I've seen pictures alleging Oath Keepers were armed and in the trees - but all I found to support that was some really grainy pictures that didn't conclusively show a firearm.

I've seen other pictures of 'Alleged' Weapons caches, I've seen more firearms in an NZ Drug Bust - again, a world away from what we saw in Michigan and a lightyear away from what a serious attempt to overthrow the Government would look like from the 2A Loving Republicans.

pritch

31st October 2022, 21:31

I'm not getting into a detailed argument with you. I've heard police radio comms describing people in trees with rifles. They were being watched initially what happened later I don't know.

The arms caches are accepted as fact - if not by you.

Trump attacking the driver has been confirmed by police witnesses. It's easy for someone in the back seat to attack a driver. That fact that Trump was ulttimately unsuccessful makes it even more believable. Failure is his trademark.

You haven't ever accepted that trump ia a business failure and a criminal. Most of the world has now, except for some mental defectives and some chancers who are hoping for financial gain. It might be time to reconsider you position?

1/32 man

1st November 2022, 06:34

Yeah, come on TDL.....what does your gut feeling tell you about Trump?

Trumpa dump dump is a horrible human in my book of gut feelings.

We will never know the real truth so we have to go by our impressions garnered from various sources.

"The eyes are the window to the soul"......remember that one? and Trump has pig eyes.

TheDemonLord

1st November 2022, 06:49

I'm not getting into a detailed argument with you. I've heard police radio comms describing people in trees with rifles. They were being watched initially what happened later I don't know.

Oh, so 3rd party hear-say evidence? With no supporting actual evidence? Like a Photo? Or a Video?

I ask - what is more likely:

1: That these descriptions that were heard were accurate and yet despite the intense media (both social and professional) coverage, no one managed to get a single frame of someone in a tree with a Rifle or
2: The person making the description was mistaken.

The arms caches are accepted as fact - if not by you.

I didn't dispute their existence, I disputed the scale and the scope. Someone having a couple of shotguns and a couple of rifles in a Hotel room in America does not a 'Arms Cache to overthrow the Government' make. The pictures I saw looked more like what someone would take to a Range day vs trying to overthrow the Government.

Again, I've given you my standard of proof - The Michigan protest and you cannot even come close to meeting it.

Trump attacking the driver has been confirmed by police witnesses. It's easy for someone in the back seat to attack a driver. That fact that Trump was ulttimately unsuccessful makes it even more believable. Failure is his trademark.

The only witness that I've seen 'confirm' it, was repeating 3rd hand information and got several key details wrong. Which tells you just how much stock I put in their testimony.

But I mean - if you want to believe an 76 year old Man could fight off a 30 something Secret Service Agent, by all means. Kinda makes Trump sound like a bit of a Badass.

You haven't ever accepted that trump ia a business failure and a criminal.

That's because he's a Billionaire and a Worldwide name - not things usually associated with Business Failure. It really is Sour Grapes when you can call a Billionaire a Business Failure - whether his worth is 2.5 Billion, 3.2 Billion, less than 1 Billion - he's still richer than probably everyone on this forum combined.

As for Criminal - when there is a successful prosecution, perhaps then you can say that. ;)

Most of the world has now, except for some mental defectives and some chancers who are hoping for financial gain. It might be time to reconsider you position?

I dunno, Biden is doing a wonderful job of proving daily just how great a President Trump was.

And time is doing an even better job of vindicating everything else.

TheDemonLord

1st November 2022, 07:10

Yeah, come on TDL.....what does your gut feeling tell you about Trump?

Okay, serious answer time:

He's a man that has a good instincts but poor (relatively) impulse control. He has a chaotic element, which I happen to enjoy - firstly because it makes life interesting, but more specifically that unpredictability keeps those who would have nefarious motives at bay.

If you know how someone is likely to react to a given situation, it makes planning your moves much easier. Consider a Chess Grandmaster who knows the combination(s) of all possible moves 5+ moves ahead.

Trump, very much so, didn't always do what was expected.

I mean there's some of his obvious Tweets - such as goading North Korea and saying his button was bigger - Is it a risky move? Sure.
His deal with the Taliban - again, lots potentially critique here - but we did have a period of no military deaths.
Then you've got when a US drone was shot down - everyone expected the US to do a retaliatory response, Trump didn't - saying that no one had died, it was just a drone - but a retaliation strike would kill people.

When it came to things like Economy, his gut instincts were spot on. When it came to calling out the prevailing Woke agenda and it's divisiveness, he was spot on.

The biggest 'black spot' if you will against Trump would be Covid, however time is increasingly showing that Lockdowns (aside from the Immorality of them) were not an appropriate response, nor was the Vaccine Mandates.

Again - he has a good gut instinct on what works and what doesn't.

Finally, the Man was never given a fair assessment by the Media. I asked, either in this thread or another, why people didn't like Trump - and many gave their answers. All of the answers could be traced back to Media hit pieces generated after he announced his run for President. Not a single point raised could be found in Media reports that pre-dated his announcement.

Some argued that with a higher level of Public Office, a higher level of scrutiny is appropriate - and there is an argument there that has some basis. However each and every time I looked into many of the claims by the Media - such as 'he told people to inject bleach' or 'Mexicans are Murders and Rapists' or 'People killed are Losers' - We find that the reality is much less sensational than the Headline and often missing several key bits of info and context.

Perhaps the best summation of Trump was from Jordan Peterson when talking about Trump vs Hilary:

"I think the spontaneous, impulsive lies of Trump are not self-evidently worse than the planned, manipulative lies of Clinton"

Trumpa dump dump is a horrible human in my book of gut feelings.

It's funny you say that - if you only read info from the Media, that is the impression you would get - however there have been various threads on Reddit about people who have met celebrities and what they were/are like. Trump regularly pops up in those - everyone says that he's really generous to regular people and he's polite.

You even got glimpses of what I consider to be the person behind the persona - such as when he just got off a flight and was confronted about Ruth Bader Ginsberg dying - his off-the-cuff, unprepared and almost emotional statement was IMO quite genuine.

We will never know the real truth so we have to go by our impressions garnered from various sources.

Indeed - and the majority of sources have a demonstrable Bias against the Man - what would that potentially do for your impression?

"The eyes are the window to the soul"......remember that one? and Trump has pig eyes.

Better pig eyes than Sniffing little girl eyes ;)

R650R

1st November 2022, 07:41

Okay, serious answer time:

He's a man that has a good instincts but poor (relatively) impulse control. He has a chaotic element, which I happen to enjoy - firstly because it makes life interesting, but more specifically that unpredictability keeps those who would have nefarious motives at bay.

If you know how someone is likely to react to a given situation, it makes planning your moves much easier. Consider a Chess Grandmaster who knows the combination(s) of all possible moves 5+ moves ahead.

Trump, very much so, didn't always do what was expected.

I mean there's some of his obvious Tweets - such as goading North Korea and saying his button was bigger - Is it a risky move? Sure.
His deal with the Taliban - again, lots potentially critique here - but we did have a period of no military deaths.
Then you've got when a US drone was shot down - everyone expected the US to do a retaliatory response, Trump didn't - saying that no one had died, it was just a drone - but a retaliation strike would kill people.

When it came to things like Economy, his gut instincts were spot on. When it came to calling out the prevailing Woke agenda and it's divisiveness, he was spot on.

The biggest 'black spot' if you will against Trump would be Covid, however time is increasingly showing that Lockdowns (aside from the Immorality of them) were not an appropriate response, nor was the Vaccine Mandates.

Again - he has a good gut instinct on what works and what doesn't.

Finally, the Man was never given a fair assessment by the Media. I asked, either in this thread or another, why people didn't like Trump - and many gave their answers. All of the answers could be traced back to Media hit pieces generated after he announced his run for President. Not a single point raised could be found in Media reports that pre-dated his announcement.

Some argued that with a higher level of Public Office, a higher level of scrutiny is appropriate - and there is an argument there that has some basis. However each and every time I looked into many of the claims by the Media - such as 'he told people to inject bleach' or 'Mexicans are Murders and Rapists' or 'People killed are Losers' - We find that the reality is much less sensational than the Headline and often missing several key bits of info and context.

Perhaps the best summation of Trump was from Jordan Peterson when talking about Trump vs Hilary:

"I think the spontaneous, impulsive lies of Trump are not self-evidently worse than the planned, manipulative lies of Clinton"

It's funny you say that - if you only read info from the Media, that is the impression you would get - however there have been various threads on Reddit about people who have met celebrities and what they were/are like. Trump regularly pops up in those - everyone says that he's really generous to regular people and he's polite.

You even got glimpses of what I consider to be the person behind the persona - such as when he just got off a flight and was confronted about Ruth Bader Ginsberg dying - his off-the-cuff, unprepared and almost emotional statement was IMO quite genuine.

Indeed - and the majority of sources have a demonstrable Bias against the Man - what would that potentially do for your impression?

Better pig eyes than Sniffing little girl eyes ;)

Great analysis and I agree. NZ has always had an endemic amount of tall poppy syndrome, we just can’t seem to relate to super successful people. We have high expectations of ourselves with the number 8 wire myth but when expectations meet reality we are very average on the world stage. So when someone like Trump comes along who wouldnt really fit in our local culture (imagine him at the pub) people can’t help but let envy get better of them.
I challenge people to read his book (who cares if it was ghost written like every other book of that genre) as it catches the essence of his success, he’s all about bringing people and deals together in a hey how do we make this work type manner along with attention to details.
Despite a bus load of allegations nothing ever materialises into successful conviction despite being in most litigious country in world.

husaberg

1st November 2022, 15:43

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3mYHz8iybrpkhPuvkvP47vHjZ30bsh Iw_xg&usqp=CAU

husaberg

1st November 2022, 18:28

Despite a bus load of allegations nothing ever materialises into successful conviction despite being in most litigious country in world.

Although Trump has said that he "never" settles legal claims, Trump and his businesses have settled with plaintiffs in at least 100 cases
with settlements ranging as high as hundreds of thousands of U.S. dollars and as high as tens of millions of dollars
the Trump University litigation, three legal actions were brought alleging fraud, one by the New York State attorney general and the others by class action plaintiffs. Donald Trump was found to have defrauded students, and was forced to pay $25 million in restitution.

On at least 36 occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes.

Trump to Pay $2 Million in Damages for Illegal Activity During 2016 Election
The Trump Foundation was in fact found to have committed fraud and misappropriated funds, and was ordered to be shut down then pay 2 million dollars in damages for improperly using charitable assets to intervene in the 2016 presidential primaries and further his own political interests. The Trump Foundation has shut down, funds that were illegally misused are being restored, the president will be subject to ongoing supervision by my office, and the Trump children had to undergo compulsory training to ensure this type of illegal activity never takes place again, In her decision ordering Mr. Trump to pay $2 million, Justice Saliann Scarpulla said, "…Mr. Trump breached his fiduciary duty to the Foundation and that waste occurred to the Foundation. Mr. TrumpÂs fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser and distribution of the Funds to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”

Mr. Trump and the Foundation have admitted key facts about their illegal political coordination with the Trump campaign, including that a purported Foundation fundraiser in January 2016 was in fact a campaign event, and that Foundation gave the Trump campaign complete control over the timing, amounts, and recipients of the $2.8 million raised through that event. Mr. Trump further admits that he and his campaign took credit for the grants that the Foundation made with funds that had been raised from the public. Justice Scarpulla noted in her decision that “Mr. Trumps campaign, rather than the Foundation:

1/32 man

1st November 2022, 18:53

Thanks for the hefty reply there TDL......most of it I don't agree with.

people can’t help but let envy get better of them. oh dear me, envious of Trump?

Capitalism.....Gods way of determining who is decent and who is an arsehole.

I remember seeing on a television debate Trump saying with utmost conviction, " I dont pay taxes and that makes me smart"

Laava

1st November 2022, 19:51

Thanks for the hefty reply there TDL......most of it I don't agree with.

oh dear me, envious of Trump?

Capitalism.....Gods way of determining who is decent and who is an arsehole.

I remember seeing on a television debate Trump saying with utmost conviction, " I dont pay taxes and that makes me smart"
Fuxache! Someone has disgust mixed up with envy, LOL!
The most despicable human of the century.

TheDemonLord

1st November 2022, 20:02

Fuxache! Someone has disgust mixed up with envy, LOL!
The most despicable human of the century.

If it was disgust, there would be no need to belittle his wealth. That's the giveaway that it's envy.

TheDemonLord

2nd November 2022, 06:30

Thanks for the hefty reply there TDL......most of it I don't agree with.

As is your want and right.

I remember seeing on a television debate Trump saying with utmost conviction, " I dont pay taxes and that makes me smart"

Indeed, he's talking about Tax Avoidance.

I'm pretty sure in that same debate he pointed out that Hilary takes advantage of the same tax loopholes that he does and her complaining about him doing it makes her a Hypocrit.

1/32 man

2nd November 2022, 06:50

So tax avoidance is OK?

Trump said he was smart because he paid no tax....what a man!

TheDemonLord

2nd November 2022, 07:46

So tax avoidance is OK?

Depends.

Legally? Absolutely.
Morally? Well, that's a bit more interesting.

There's the obvious answer of "Wah! Rich people getting away with not paying tax, Tax the Evil Rich people" - which although there is an element of merit in, I am not persuaded by that argument. Firstly because I don't think anyone is entitled to the fruits of others labour, but more importantly it never works in practice. See what happened in Venezuala for example - when the Government say they are going to Tax the Rich, the Rich just take their money elsewhere and the Government ends up taxing the Middle Class and doesn't have the investment needed to fund growth in the economy (see below)

I can't remember who it was or what the exact quote is - but my personal view is akin to:

"It is the Individuals responsibility to ensure they pay the smallest amount of Tax, legally" - that is to say, as a bulwark against government encroachments on both your rights and your property, it is your obligation to ensure they do not take more than they are 'entitled' to. This is closest to what I feel is my personal view on this.

But there is another facet of this conversation - the Super Wealthy often don't pay tax... Because they don't earn income. Do you think all the Silicon Valley Execs when there was the $1 a year annual salary were doing it purely out of the goodness of their hearts? Of course not! That may be a factor for some, but the economics of a $1 PA Salary are almost entirely rooted in Tax Law.

The Super Wealthy have their money invested in stocks/shares/etc. and so their net-wealth increases, but they don't 'earn' any income. So they don't pay tax, they cover their living expenses by loans financed at rates that you and I can only dream of. And as we all know, a Loan isn't income.

Then at some point, they may liquidate some of their assets to cash - they then pay a tax on that transaction - Elon Musk and his 'biggest Tax bill in US history' is a prominent example.

however, on the flipside - we have to account for what that money that is invested is doing - and the answer is money that is invested wisely (that is, increases Money Velocity) results in higher overall tax revenue, as each transaction that it undergoes is taxed.

If you invest $1 in a company, when that company spends that Dollar, it's Taxed. When the company that received that Dollar spends it, it's Taxed and so-on and so-forth.

Is that better for the country than having that same Dollar sit in an offshore bank account?

Edit:

And let us not forget - in the US at least, although the Republicans are for low State and Federal Taxation, they regularly (according to multiple sources) donate significantly more to Charity. Which is inline with the US ethos - you are free to make decisions about your Money, it's not for the Government to decide which issues you should care about, but for you.

Trump said he was smart because he paid no tax....what man!

See, I don't begrudge him this. There's plenty of people - including Democrats, who act in the exact same manner. They might not be so brazen or up-front about it, but they do the same thing. Are you as equally upset at them as you are at Trump?

Or is it because Trump said it that you are upset?

pritch

2nd November 2022, 07:58

There's plenty of people - including Democrats, who act in the exact same manner. They might not be so brazen or up-front about it, but they do the same thing.

Not at all. Trump (allegedly) evaded tax by criminal means, consistently and continually for many decades. Which is why he's facing court actions for the same.

Hopefully in the near future we can drop the "allegedly".

For the record, I disagree with almost everything else in your recent posts but that's not surprising.

TheDemonLord

2nd November 2022, 08:44

Not at all. Trump (allegedly) evaded tax by criminal means, consistently and continually for many decades. Which is why he's facing court actions for the same.

Hopefully in the near future we can drop the "allegedly".

Until then, that 'Allegedly' is doing a rather large amount of heavy lifting.

And something tells me that all the corrupt democrat prosecutors who are the ones maliciously going after Trump, they might find themselves subject to the same standards they so gleefully set for Trump.

For the record, I disagree with almost everything else in your recent posts but that's not surprising.

Indeed - but here we are, again.

1/32 man

2nd November 2022, 09:36

Or is it because Trump said it that you are upset?

See, that statement puts your credibility in doubt, TDL.

Who said I was upset?

Trump triggers my "blowarse" radar and if you dont see it then you dont see it.

TheDemonLord

2nd November 2022, 09:47

See, that statement puts your credibility in doubt, TDL.

Who said I was upset?

Trump triggers my "blowarse" radar and if you dont see it then you dont see it.

I had a mental bet that my usage of the word 'upset' would cause this type of response - which is partly why I chose it :D

But upset, irritated, Irked, 'Triggered', concerned - whichever you feel is closest - my point remains the same.

sugilite

2nd November 2022, 12:47

And something tells me that all the corrupt democrat prosecutors who are the ones maliciously going after Trump, they might find themselves subject to the same standards they so gleefully set for Trump.

Ahhh, singing from your favourite song sheet again.
I well remember your delight at Trumps announcement of the Durham probe. Those dastardly dems will surely be caught red handed in the russian hoax investigation as you called it.
So after several years, he has secured just one low level conviction - oh dear....

"Alexandria, Virginia(CNN)Igor Danchenko, the primary source for the infamous Trump-Russia dossier, was acquitted Tuesday of four counts of lying to the FBI in an embarrassing defeat for special counsel John Durham.

Durham has taken two cases to trial, and both have ended in acquittals. After more than three years looking for misconduct in the FBI's Trump-Russia probe, Durham has only secured one conviction: the guilty plea of a low-level FBI lawyer, who got probation."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/18/politics/durham-investigation-igor-danchenko-trial/index.html

TheDemonLord

2nd November 2022, 14:47

Ahhh, singing from your favourite song sheet again.

Well... Just hold on there Bud.

It's not my Favourite Songsheet... It's Letitia James' Song sheet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1yj0NKSsuU

This is 4 years ago, so before Jan 6th, before Covid.

I mean, we've got Election denial (only a problem if you are a republican I guess...) "This Illegitimate President"

And then she outright says it - she's gonna join forces with other (Democrat) AGs across the country to remove this President from office. Which in the current context is no great extrapolation to suggest she might be vindictively trying to prosecute him for anything and everything to try and block him from running again.

I don't know how you can say I'm singing from my favourite song sheet when all I'm doing is essentially repeating what they (the partisan Democrat hacks) have outright told us.

I well remember your delight at Trumps announcement of the Durham probe. Those dastardly dems will surely be caught red handed in the russian hoax investigation as you called it.
So after several years, he has secured just one low level conviction - oh dear....

"Alexandria, Virginia(CNN)Igor Danchenko, the primary source for the infamous Trump-Russia dossier, was acquitted Tuesday of four counts of lying to the FBI in an embarrassing defeat for special counsel John Durham.

Durham has taken two cases to trial, and both have ended in acquittals. After more than three years looking for misconduct in the FBI's Trump-Russia probe, Durham has only secured one conviction: the guilty plea of a low-level FBI lawyer, who got probation."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/18/politics/durham-investigation-igor-danchenko-trial/index.html

From the same CNN article:

The verdict means jurors weren’t persuaded by Durham’s allegations that Danchenko lied to the FBI about his contacts with a Belarusian-American businessman who was a possible source for the dossier. The largely discredited dossier was a collection of unverified and salacious allegations compiled by retired British spy Christopher Steele, whose dirt-digging was indirectly funded by Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2016.

That admission, from CNN (of all places), is more of a win than a conviction.

I mean sure, Convictions would be nice - but given the company that was kept and the strings attached, such a conviction was unlikely.

1/32 man

2nd November 2022, 15:53

So lets take a voting poll here....before I go off triggered and upset.

Would you vote for Trump?

It's a nope from me.

TheDemonLord

2nd November 2022, 15:56

So lets take a voting poll here....before I go off triggered and upset.

Would you vote for Trump?

It's a nope from me.

Obviously.

And a resounding 'absolutely' from me.

pete376403

2nd November 2022, 21:04

Obviously, no from me

sugilite

2nd November 2022, 22:17

Well... Just hold on there Bud.

It's not my Favourite Songsheet... It's Letitia James' Song sheet

There is very little with that video that i disagree with. In this woman, i feel slippery trump has met his match. She is an unrelenting force that i believe will ultimately finally take trump down.

From the same CNN article:

That admission, from CNN (of all places), is more of a win than a conviction.

I mean sure, Convictions would be nice.
You have a very strange idea of what a win constitutes. Shock horror, a political party paying money to dig up dirt on the other team? Give me a break :laugh:

TheDemonLord

3rd November 2022, 06:28

There is very little with that video that i disagree with. In this woman, i feel slippery trump has met his match. She is an unrelenting force that i believe will ultimately finally take trump down.

We'll see, you see an Unrelenting force - I see Activist and Malicious prosecution.

And no comment about the Election Denial? Thanks for confirming - it's only wrong when the right does it ;)

You have a very strange idea of what a win constitutes. Shock horror, a political party paying money to dig up dirt on the other team? Give me a break :laugh:

Sure, Dirt Digging, although I find it personally distasteful, is a fact.

However it's this line, specifically:

the largely discredited dossier was a collection of unverified and salacious allegations

And I happen to think that when you've run a Hoax, for 4 years, against a sitting President, that no doubt influenced the election that is based on what you now have to admit was "the largely discredited dossier was a collection of unverified and salacious allegations" (they couldn't quite bring themselves to say Hoax...) - that acknowledgement is pretty vindicating.

As I said - Convictions would be nice, but are unlikely.

1/32 man

3rd November 2022, 07:14

Obviously.

And a resounding 'absolutely' from me.

Well so far that is two no's and one voided vote as there is no "absolutely" box to tick.

No=2
Yes=0
Invalid=1

Anyone else care to post their voting preference for Trump?

TheDemonLord

3rd November 2022, 08:22

Well so far that is two no's and one voided vote as there is no "absolutely" box to tick.

No=2
Yes=0
Invalid=1

Anyone else care to post their voting preference for Trump?

"Everyone knows the World is Flat"
"Everyone knows that Slavery is the way of things"

Yeah, Argumentum Ad Populum isn't gonna fly.

sugilite

3rd November 2022, 09:00

Well... Just hold on there Bud.

It's not my Favourite Songsheet... It's Letitia James' Song sheet:

It depends on what her definition of an illegitimate president is when it pertains to trump? Did she say he was elected fraudulently? Or was the illegitimacy because he was completely devoid of any meaningful experience to become president? I sure agree with the latter.

Overall I feel she wants to take down powerful individuals that abuse their positions of power, such as when she torpedoed the very left leaning Cuomo.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/letitia-james-new-york-attorney-general-andrew-cuomo-donald-trump-governor-1234865051/

I mean, we've got Election denial (only a problem if you are a republican I guess...) "This Illegitimate President"

Hell yeah, I well remember the dems launching more than 50 failed court cases after the 2016 election, then now at the mid terms all the dems running seeking Bidens endorsement all had to first embrace the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen - oh wait, that's right, it was ALL the Trump led republicans :laugh:

From the same CNN article: The largely discredited dossier was a collection of unverified and salacious allegations compiled by retired British spy Christopher Steele, whose dirt-digging was indirectly funded by Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2016.

That admission, from CNN (of all places), is more of a win than a conviction.

I mean sure, Convictions would be nice - but given the company that was kept and the strings attached, such a conviction was unlikely.
I'm not sure what the issue is here, a dossier put together by foreign spy needed investigation, it subsequently was found to be primarily bullshit and even the left leaning media are reporting it as such. What more do you want? Trumps big lie on the other hand......

And since you seem to like convictions, you should jump from team loser Duram to team winner Mueller where upon you can bask in the winning ratio of multiple convictions - just look at them all!
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

Sure, Dirt Digging, although I find it personally distasteful, is a fact.

However it's this line, specifically:
So, Trumps "perfect" phone call where he threatened to withhold aid unless Zelensky handed Trump some dirt on Hunter Biden did not cross your line?
Or do you just break out the tissues, xanax and smelling salts when the dems dig dirt?

sugilite

3rd November 2022, 09:06

So lets take a voting poll here....before I go off triggered and upset.

Would you vote for Trump?

It's a nope from me.

It is a no from me.

(which does not = a yes for Biden)

1/32 man

3rd November 2022, 09:35

"Everyone knows the World is Flat"
"Everyone knows that Slavery is the way of things"

Yeah, Argumentum Ad Populum isn't gonna fly.

and don't forget, "illegitmi non carborundum" keep on trying TDL. I like your style although not your view point.

So if I give TDL a yes vote (no triggering please)

we have ....

Yes=1
No=3

anyone else care to add a simple yes or no?

pritch

3rd November 2022, 09:46

Well so far that is two no's and one voided vote as there is no "absolutely" box to tick.

No=2
Yes=0
Invalid=1

Anyone else care to post their voting preference for Trump?

That'd be a no from me, much to the surprise of nobody at all.

Saw this yesterday and thought it was sexcellent. If the Democrat party were only half as good at making ads as some of the independent groups...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw9OQ8s5dZ8

TheDemonLord

3rd November 2022, 09:59

It depends on what her definition of an illegitimate president is when it pertains to trump? Did she say he was elected fraudulently? Or was the illegitimacy because he was completely devoid of any meaningful experience to become president? I sure agree with the latter.

Hell yeah, I well remember the dems launching more than 50 failed court cases after the 2016 election, then now at the mid terms all the dems running seeking Bidens endorsement all had to first embrace the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen - oh wait, that's right, it was ALL the Trump led republicans :laugh:

Maybe not the court cases, but I certainly remember a good number of Democrats denying the Election result. Most famously there was the montage played at the (failed) impeachment trial for Trump.

Overall I feel she wants to take down powerful individuals that abuse their positions of power, such as when she torpedoed the very left leaning Cuomo.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/letitia-james-new-york-attorney-general-andrew-cuomo-donald-trump-governor-1234865051/

That is one possibility, another is removing a rival from her political ambitions.

I'm not sure what the issue is here, a dossier put together by foreign spy needed investigation, it subsequently was found to be primarily bullshit and even the left leaning media are reporting it as such. What more do you want?

What more do I want? Well, a full blown retraction would be nice, an acknowledgement that the lie that had been perpetuated for 4 years influ... I mean 'Fortified' the Election, and an apology for all the times us Trump supporters were smeared with the 'Russia Russia Russia' Hoax.

And since you seem to like convictions, you should jump from team loser Duram to team winner Mueller where upon you can bask in the winning ratio of multiple convictions - just look at them all!
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

Er? I said convictions weren't what I'm after. All that does is show how much more 'effective' the FBI is at going after Republicans than Democrats - which is what I would expect from an organization that has gone Partisan.

So, Trumps "perfect" phone call where he threatened to withhold aid unless Zelensky handed Trump some dirt on Hunter Biden did not cross your line?
Or do you just break out the tissues, xanax and smelling salts when the dems dig dirt?

Now, if our positions on this point had been reversed, you'd be accusing me of putting words in your mouth.

To be clear - I find dirt digging distasteful. But it is a reality. I didn't cry that Hilary's team sort to dig up dirt - that's fine, what I 'cried' over was a 4 year long hoax that was based on a fabrication. Not Dirt, Fabrication.

You are oft fond of pointing to Trump's dubious relationship with the Truth (even if most of what is pointed to is just mere linguistic flourishes) - how does that sit with you?

In terms of the Ukraine/Hunter scenario, I personally believe that there is more factual basis for some form of investigation. I think the furthest I've gone is to point to the treatment of Trump by the Dems and say that based on their standards of behavior, Biden should be impeached (Goose/Gander)

TheDemonLord

3rd November 2022, 10:01

and don't forget, "illegitmi non carborundum" keep on trying TDL. I like your style although not your view point.

Oh I've been here for a while and had many Dance Partners.

And as I say - Time has been wonderfully kind of late.

1/32 man

3rd November 2022, 11:38

Great, thanks Pritch

No=4
Yes=1

Once again, TDL I admire your persistence and your stand alone position. That may change though.

Come one, come all and cast a vote .....Yay or nay for Trump.

See how democratic we are here? you actually can say just about anything and you are still allowed a vote.....and it is transparent.

mashman

3rd November 2022, 11:52

No. plus chars.

Laava

3rd November 2022, 12:01

Def a no from me!

1/32 man

3rd November 2022, 12:02

Thanks mashman and Laava

No=6
Yes=1

TheDemonLord

3rd November 2022, 12:17

Thanks mashman and Laava

No=6
Yes=1

Tell you what - I'll make it easy for you:

Let's go with

No=23,228
Yes=2

(I'm pretty sure R650 will vote Yes)

Still doesn't add any more or less weight to any point being made.

Laava

3rd November 2022, 19:01

So if you vote Trump, does that automatically qualify you for membership of the proud boys?

TheDemonLord

3rd November 2022, 19:14

So if you vote Trump, does that automatically qualify you for membership of the proud boys?

Depends...

Does voting Democrat automatically make you part of Antifa?

1/32 man

3rd November 2022, 19:40

I thought antifa was against fascism.....so I am for that.
Trump is a quasi faux wanna be fascist so naturally I am against him.
Proud boys ? again wanna be's,.....mostly over weight too so couldn't cope in the field of action.

So TDL you can keep arguing the points you want to make but I haven't got time or inclination to read them.
I sort of feel you support Trump because he is a spanner in the works of the establisment which is pretty rotten in the US as well as elsewhere.
Am I close?

I wouldn't mind seeing a shake up to those career ploticians too but Trump is not the man to do it....he is too dumb, too greedy, too narcissistic.....too criminal.

TheDemonLord

3rd November 2022, 21:27

I thought antifa was against fascism.....so I am for that.

That's the Tag line, the reality is that they are a bunch of Revolutionary Communists.

Are you for a Communist Revolution?

I'm certainly not.

Trump is a quasi faux wanna be fascist so naturally I am against him.

Was he? I've heard this accusation - yet when we look at the actual political history of Fascism, calling Trump even a faux Fascist wannabe is to make a mockery of the term.

As a simple demonstration - You cannot get Fascism without believing in the Collectivist world view of Marxism. All the original Italian Fascists, including Gentile were Marxists.

Proud boys ? again wanna be's,.....mostly over weight too so couldn't cope in the field of action.

See, I never bring them up - I have no particular allegiance or love for them - yet they have become this boogieman figure to the Left/Media - A White Supremacist organization that's headed by a Latino...

They are accused of everything under the sun, yet anything more than a mere casual glance shows the accusations to be false.

So TDL you can keep arguing the points you want to make but I haven't got time or inclination to read them.
I sort of feel you support Trump because he is a spanner in the works of the establisment which is pretty rotten in the US as well as elsewhere.
Am I close?

That is one aspect.

His position against the creeping intersectional ideology that has poisoned many an institution is another, as was his macro-economic policies, his foreign policy, his energy policy, his immigration policy.

All of which all I have to do is point to Biden and the catastrophes that he ushered in that didn't happen under Trump.

I wouldn't mind seeing a shake up to those career ploticians too but Trump is not the man to do it....he is too dumb, too greedy, too narcissistic.....too criminal.

Too Dumb? I mean the man has had multiple successful careers in multiple domains - it's hard for someone to reach the top of any hierarchy. To reach the top of multiple ones shows he has to at least have some means of intelligence about him.

Too Greedy? Depends on how you define Greed really. I'd much rather the 'greed' of Trump, than the 'greed' of Biden and Pelosi et al.

Too Narcissistic? Trump's been diagnosed with more disorders by armchair Psychiatrists (in breach of rules of Ethics) than I care for, those same armchair Psychiatrists are curiously silent on the likes of Bumbling Biden and Fettermen - which tells me their 'diagnosis' are little more than political attacks. I'll grant you that he has a larger-than-life persona.

Too Criminal? And yet... No Conviction. Despite every effort made. Most Acquitted President of all time.

husaberg

3rd November 2022, 21:57

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1/32 man

4th November 2022, 06:32

Cant argue with that Husaberg.

I am off for a hamberder and a covfefe......whatever that is.

TheDemonLord

4th November 2022, 06:43

Cant argue with that Husaberg.

I mean, you really can.

I am off for a hamberder and a covfefe......whatever that is.

Sounds like the Breakfast of Champions.

sugilite

4th November 2022, 06:53

Now, if our positions on this point had been reversed, you'd be accusing me of putting words in your mouth.

Ok, ignoring the fact that it would be impossible to put words in your mouth as it is already fully occupied by trumps todger, how on earth can you possibly classify a question as having words put in your mouth? :shutup:

pritch

4th November 2022, 08:03

There has been lots of chat on Twitter about accounts being deleted. Apparently Twitter has been clearing bots, troll farms, - and spies. It turns out Trump followers are highly suggestible and can't tell shite from sugar. Who'd have guessed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSAoaetnFRE&t=247s

TheDemonLord

4th November 2022, 08:12

How on earth can you possibly classify a question as having words put in your mouth? :shutup:

Come now - it's the framing of the question and you know it - I said I find dirt digging distasteful, nothing more nothing less.

I'm not upset by it - it's a fact of life.

This is one of those 'Free pass for Trump' moments that you always accuse me of, whilst ignoring that I grant the exact same free pass to the Left/Biden/Hilary.

My issue was not that they went digging for dirt, nor that they aired their made-up dirt in public, my issue was the 4 year long slog of hit pieces and 'investigation' that resulted from said made-up dirt. Especially when it was undoubtedly a factor come election time.

What's the word that they use again? For when one side makes something up? In order to influence Election results?

I'm sure I remember the Left going on and on and on and on and on about it....

sugilite

4th November 2022, 08:52

You seem upset that I framed the question in such a way that shows the staggering hypocrisy of your arguments. Lets play a fun game, lets post YouTube videos showing polles doing election result denials. Ill do Repubs, you do the dems. Im picking i will easily exceed a 10 to one ratio.
you often defend the indefensible, dont blame me for pointing it out in the form of 'framed questions'. :laugh:

TheDemonLord

4th November 2022, 09:52

You seem upset that I framed the question in such a way that shows the staggering hypocrisy of your arguments.

Except there is no Hypocrisy.

Again, my position is quite clear - I find the act of dirt digging distasteful. I don't get upset about, I just would prefer it not be a factor in politics.

So, I don't get bent out of shape with Trump's Zelensky call like I wouldn't get bent out of shape over the accusation of Russian Collusion.

But that isn't where it stopped, is it? When you can perpetuate a lie for 4 years, with countless media hit pieces etc. etc. and influence an election based on a lie - I think that's something to point out.

And you are always quick to say that the reason you don't like Trump is his use of hyperbole and his 'lies'.

I dunno about you, but I think someone saying 'This is going to be the greatest policy, perhaps of all policies, ever' is less of an issue than 4 years of malicious prosecution and election interference.

Lets play a fun game, lets post YouTube videos showing polles doing election result denials. Ill do Repubs, you do the dems. Im picking i will easily exceed a 10 to one ratio.

It was never about how many participated, the point was always that it was acceptable for 4 years for Democrat Congress people, Senators, AGs and alike got to claim that the election was stolen, Trump was illegitimate etc. etc. without being censured off of Twitter, Facebook and having criminal proceedings and impeachments raised against them.

But when the Republicans do it - suddenly it's the end of Democracy.

When the Activist wing of the Democrats burn down cities, murder over 50 people - it's a mostly peaceful protest, yet when Republicans go for a stroll, let in by security guards through the Capitol Building, it's the end of all Democracy.

There's a myriad of examples I could bring up - from Vaccine Denial ("I aint taking no Trump Vaccine" vs "If you don't get vaccinated you're an evil person), Twitter ("It's a private company, build your own" vs "We need to control the spread of misinformation") etc. etc.

If it's good for the Goose, it's good for the Gander. And it doesn't matter if it's 1, 100 or 1,000,000 to one - it's the double standard that has always concerned me.

you often defend the indefensible, dont blame me for pointing it out in the form of 'framed questions'. :laugh:

I'm just using your own standards that you hold for me.

Last time I used a framed question to make a point you were somewhat irked or possibly irritated or perhaps indignant or mildly perturbed at the word choice used... ;)

sugilite

4th November 2022, 10:04

Haha, i love how you make out it is the time things have been going on, rather than the sheer numbers that is more important. Like im going to swallow that turd. How long has the duram probe been going on btw?

Good news here... About time!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/03/donald-trump-manhattan-judge-independent-monitor-company

TheDemonLord

4th November 2022, 10:41

Haha, i love how you make out it is the time things have been going on, rather than the sheer numbers that is more important.

Once it's more than a few fringe lunatics, the numbers argument becomes moot.

As I said, it was numerous mainstream Democrats doing it - and none of them have faced the sanctions that the Republicans have.

Time is a factor for sure, but more than that it's the difference in treatment. So long as the treatment is the same for both parties, I'm fine with it - that is objectively not the case.

Like im going to swallow that turd. How long has the duram probe been going on btw?

The point as far as I'm concerned has already been proved - the Trump/Russia Collusion was a lie based on a fabrication. There are still people here who believe it to be partially or substantially true...

Good news here... About time!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/03/donald-trump-manhattan-judge-independent-monitor-company

Oh Look! a ruling in New York - that wouldn't be a Democratic stronghold would it.... Wouldn't be any political ulterior motives would there? Wouldn't be under the auspices of someone who vowed they would destroy Trump would it?

I'm just waiting when the winds of Karma blow in the opposite direction, if the Screeching from Elon buying Twitter is anything to go by, it's going to be biblical.

1/32 man

5th November 2022, 06:46

@TDL.....please can you refresh my memory about why you support trump?

Maybe just your top five points .....if you have time that is.

TIA

sugilite

5th November 2022, 07:51

I must say it is very refreshing to see tdl admitting that the election deniers are all fringe lunatics, which is currently at least 80 percent plus of the republican party :yes:

pritch

5th November 2022, 11:49

One of Trump's many legal actions came to an unsuccessful conclusion yesterday after only seven years. Back then there were some protestors at Trump Tower. Whether on Trump's instructions or not, his personal security staff went down and roughed up the protestors who subsequently initiated a civil action for assault.

The case finally made it to court. After challenging prospective jurors to the maximum number permitted, it became apparent to Trump's legal team that the jurors did not like Trump. At all. They were in deep shit and sinking fast. After some presumably panicked discussion they decided to make the plaintiffs an offer so generous they couldn't refuse. The offer was immediately accepted, so it must have been good.

Another batch of Trump begging emails is probably already in the in-boxes of the gullible.

husaberg

5th November 2022, 11:58

pete376403

5th November 2022, 13:01

husaberg

5th November 2022, 16:13

WASHINGTON — Washington, D.C., and former President Donald Trump reached a settlement Tuesday in a lawsuit the city brought accusing his business and inaugural committee of improperly spending nonprofit funds.

The eight-page filing in D.C. Superior Court says Trump has agreed to pay the city government $750,000.

The city government alleged that Trump's presidential inaugural committee misused funds by "overpaying for events at the Trump Hotel to the private benefit of the Trump Hotel and Trump Organization" and by "paying for a hotel room contract at the Loews Madison Hotel

The settlement offer is one thing. Whether it is actually paid out is quite another

That would be more believable. "I never settle my bills"

Throughout his White House tenure, President Donald Trump and his family repeatedly directed taxpayer funds toward his hospitality business. But until now, we didn’t know just how bad it really was. By repeatedly charging the Secret Service as much as five times the allowable government rate to protect his family at Trump properties, Trump twisted the Secret Service’s protective mission into a personal cash cow — all while apparently lying about it to taxpayers.

Thanks to this week’s release by the House Oversight and Reform Committee, we have those forms unredacted. And we see that, for example, on a night in November 2017, when the government rate set by the GSA for a hotel room in Washington was supposed to be capped at $201, the Trump hotel charged agents $1,185 per room for Donald Trump Jr.’s visit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-hotel-secret-service-corrupt-family-affair-rcna52859?cid=referral_taboolafeed

https://twitter.com/i/status/1582422526017167361

F5 Dave

5th November 2022, 19:54

I wonder how much tdl has patrioned?

Go on. The more you pay, the more we pray . Dig deep for your leader.

pritch

6th November 2022, 08:34

husaberg

6th November 2022, 10:36

As always Trump is playing out the clock. He has been claiming privileges that don't exist but each requires another court hearing and then an appeal. He has been claiming that no actions against him can be conducted prior to the election. It's now thought he will announce his candidacy for president a week or two after the election because he says a presidential candidate can't be prosecuted. That's a new one. Normally candidates delay announcing as long as they can because once they announce they are running, tighter rules around money come in to play.

It is true though that he could run from prison.

The Justice department has hired two new prosecutors. One has experise in prosecuting espionage. The other has experience in prosecuting organised crime and in working with cooperating witnesses.

CNN reported these changes along the lines of in case they were required. It's unlikely the Justice Dept hires partners in big name law firms just in case.

It's thought that there will be developments following the election. I hope so they've been dithering long enough.

Hes also banking on some of those congressional hearings being dissolved if the republican's get control of the house.
he's also still spouting conspiracy theories to deflect blame about the politically motivated hammer attack on the Pelosi's husband.

“weird things going on in that household,” and repeated the unfounded idea that a window in the Pelosi home was “broken from the inside to the out. It wasn’t a break-in, it was a break-out.”

Conspiracy theories and mockery of the attack on Pelosi were heavily promoted by prominent conservative pundits, including Donald Trump Jr., Rep. Clay Higgins, and the hosts of Fox News’ Fox & Friends. The hashtag “PelosiGayLover” trended after newly christened Twitter owner Elon Musk posted a link to an article from the Santa Monica Observer, a notorious right-wing rag known for peddling false information, claiming the attacker was actually Pelosi’s same-sex lover.

Grumph

6th November 2022, 11:36

Hes also banking on some of those congressional hearings being dissolved if the republican's get control of the house.
he's also still spouting conspiracy theories to deflect blame about the politically motivated hammer attack on the Pelosi's husband.

I saw somewhere that his run was conditional on the GOP getting the House back. Hence choosing the announcement date matters.

I know it's not the same system but like John Key he won't work as a politician if he or his party is not in power.

1/32 man

6th November 2022, 16:45

I hope so they've been dithering long enough.

You can say that again...the media chatter is almost unbearable....especially in my house where there resides a North American woman.

F5 Dave

6th November 2022, 18:44

sugilite

7th November 2022, 06:46

The gloves are off, but Trump is seriously misreading the magat room lol

He has coined a nickname for ron desatan, that being ron sanctimonious.
check out the comments at fox. Trumps run to tbe Republican presidential run may not be as cut and dried as he thinks.
naturally what i find funny, is one of the rare times he actually tells the truth, the magats pound on him for it :laugh:

"Trump mocks DeSantis at Pennsylvania rally: 'Ron DeSanctimonious'"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-mocks-desantis-pennsylvania-rally-ron-desanctimonious

Desatan is going to gut trump like a fish lol

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 07:32

@TDL.....please can you refresh my memory about why you support trump?

Maybe just your top five points .....if you have time that is.

TIA

1: His Economic Policy
2: His Border Security Policy
3: His Energy Policy
4: His opposition to Wokeness
5: His Foreign Policy/First US president in my Lifetime not to have started a new war.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 07:33

I must say it is very refreshing to see tdl admitting that the election deniers are all fringe lunatics, which is currently at least 80 percent plus of the republican party :yes:

I did no such thing. If you are going to try and put words in my mouth, have I taught you nothing?

D-

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 07:34

I wonder how much tdl has patrioned?

Go on. The more you pay, the more we pray . Dig deep for your leader.

I can tell you exactly: $0.

As a general rule, I don't pay money to things like Youtubers, livestreamers, Pornstars and Politicians.

And yes, there is a reason I have grouped all of those together, it's most likely exactly what you think.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 07:35

Good thing she is over here. Women actually do not have the same rights as men in the Free world.

FFS! Half the population of the entire Fucking World are Women. Anyone oppressing them should be eradicated without delay.

Quite the Genocidal statement....

Of course, if I'd make a hyperbolic statement calling for an entire group of people to be 'eradicated'....

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 07:37

sugilite

7th November 2022, 08:17

I did no such thing. If you are going to try and put words in my mouth, have I taught you nothing?

D-

au contraire
We were discussing election deniers, and you posted this gem
"Once it's more than a few fringe lunatics, the numbers argument becomes moot."
And as you know the Republican party are the party of election deniers, sooooooo.....

sugilite

7th November 2022, 08:32

But here's the thing - I like both Trump and DeSantis and a mildly amusing nickname is not going to get my panties in a twist.

You're so vain, i bet you think that post was about you, don't you, don't you, don't you? Lol
Clearly you did not read the article comments posted largely by American voters. My post was not about whether you would get your panties in a bunch - just to be clear. :rolleyes:

If course you like Desaten, when i posted a video of him belittling children, you said your respect for him went up even more. You do you and thats ok. Fringe looney magas can be fun, glad we have our very own one right here on the forum. :bleh:

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 08:46

au contraire
We were discussing election deniers, and you posted this gem
"Once it's more than a few fringe lunatics, the numbers argument becomes moot."

"More than"

Meaning that for any election there is always some Fringe Lunatics that deny the election, but once it exceeds that - such as both the Democrats and Republican Senators, Congressmen and AGs, then it's something.

And as you know the Republican party are the party of election deniers, sooooooo.....

As are the Democrats, based on Video evidence.

And that's without bringing up the election of GWB.

Goose/Gander - yet only one of them every gets censured for it.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 08:50

You're so vain, i bet you think that post was about you, don't you, don't you, don't you? Lol

Are you saying there wasn't a tangential barb attached?

Clearly you did not read the article comments posted largely by American voters. My post was not about whether you would get your panties in a bunch - just to be clear. :rolleyes:

I don't doubt it - again, Ben Shapiro has been making this prediction for months as to why DeSantis shouldn't go against Trump.

If course you like Desaten, when i posted a video of him belittling children, you said your respect for him went up even more. You do you and thats ok. Fringe looney magas can be fun, glad we have our very own one right here on the forum. :bleh:

I did - especially when the data about the Effects of Covid policy on Children came out that showing DeSantis was right all along.

Masks are useless in Children, as is the Vaccine and closing schools (Shock! Horror!) had a significant negative impact on childrens' learning!

george formby

7th November 2022, 11:37

Some opinions on where the US maybe heading, admittedly from The Guardian. Be interesting to read some other perspectives on whether the current situation will lead to increased violence or even civil war.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/06/how-close-is-the-us-to-civil-war-barbara-f-walter-stephen-march-christopher-parker

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 13:05

pritch

7th November 2022, 16:31

1: His Economic Policy
2: His Border Security Policy
3: His Energy Policy
4: His opposition to Wokeness
5: His Foreign Policy/First US president in my Lifetime not to have started a new war.

As always most of those are fictional. He had no policies in the normal sense of that word.
A couple of miles of border wall isn't much of a border security policy. And the Mexicans didn't pay for it.
He wouldn't even be able to tell you what "wokeness" was.
His foreign policy? Throwing candy at the German Chancellor and stating, "Don't say I never give you anything." Doing whatever Putin told him to.
His energy policy would have been a war crime.
His only economic policy was to give himself a tax cut, a COVID "loan," and to have the Fed spend trillions keeping the share market afloat.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 16:44

As always most of those are fictional. He had no policies in the normal sense of that word.
A couple of miles of border wall isn't much of a border security policy. And the Mexicans didn't pay for it.
He wouldn't even be able to tell you what "wokeness" was.
His foreign policy? Throwing candy at the German Chancellor and stating, "Don't say I never give you anything." Doing whatever Putin told him to.
His energy policy would have been a war crime.
His only economic policy was to give himself a tax cut, a COVID "loan," and to have the Fed spend trillions keeping the share market afloat.

And here we have Denialism.

From the same persons who insists that we have to give the NZ Labour Government credit for screwing us over slightly less than most of the world screwed themselves over...

So, on the Economic front - the best economy since the post war boom (prior to Covid, obviously). That's from the left-leaning 'fact checkers' - even if it wasn't 'the greatest ever' as Trump said, his policy worked, right up until Covid.

Border Security Policy - it was more than 'a couple of miles' - but let's defer to the BBC, another left-leaning institute:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/164A4/production/_125700319_optimised-us_migrants-nc.png

Now, with the exception of a spike in 2019, Trump had consistently low illegal migration to the US. Wall or no Wall. After the Election, you can see it start to ramp up again until the flood gates opened with Biden.

Edit: And let's not forget what the Migrants themselves said - 'Biden told us to come, so we are coming'

Foreign Policy - Funny, I said nothing about Ze Germans. I actually cited what I think is his biggest success - not starting any new stupid wars. In addition, he signed peace deals in the Middle East, made North Korea behave themselves for a bit, kept Putin in check (again, Putin invaded Ukraine first under Obama, then under Biden - he didn't do shit whilst Trump was president) and was pushing back against China.

Energy Policy was a War Crime? I expected denial, but this sounds borderline Conspiratorial - pray tell Pritch, how does making the US a net exporter of Energy constitute a War Crime?

Could he tell me exactly what Wokeness is? Probably not. I doubt he's read the Academic works that comprise the modern intersectional world view that is broadly referred to as 'Woke', however he has correctly pointed out that it is anti-American and he's pushed back on it. Which is good enough for me.

pete376403

7th November 2022, 17:26

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 17:57

America NEEDS the migrants, legal or otherwise.You may recall after the crackdown on illegals, fields of vegetables rotting because there was no-one to pick them

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-farmers-depend-on-illegal-immigrants-100541644/162082.html

Sounds awfully similar to the line:

"If there are no slaves, who will pick the Cotton?"

You'll note that the article was written in 2010.

I mean, I have a very simple solution - if there are many jobs, but no one wants to work them - then those people who are otherwise unemployed clearly have another source of income - so you take away benefits until those positions are filled...

husaberg

7th November 2022, 18:04

Jobs — The economy has added nearly 2.2 million jobs in the most recent 12 months. It has gained jobs for 75 straight months – the longest streak on record.

President Barack Obama was not so fortunate. When he took office, the economy had already lost 4.4 million jobs in the preceding 12 months.

During Obama’s first 13 months, the economy continued to shed another 4.3 million jobs. But as Trump enters office, employers are eager to hire millions more. The number of job openings continues to hold at near record levels.

The most recent figures show that as of the last business day in November, there were more than 5.5 million unfilled job openings — double the number in the month Obama took office in 2009.

The highest ever recorded in the nearly 16 years the Bureau of Labor Statistics has tracked this figure was in April 2016, when job openings topped 5.8 million. The figure has now been above 5 million every month for 22 months in a row.

Unemployment — Obama also leaves Trump an unemployment rate that is well below the historical norm.

Currently it stands at 4.7 percent. In all the months since 1948 the median jobless rate was 5.6 percent.

Thus Trump has been dealt a far better hand than Obama, who took office when the jobless rate was 7.8 percent and rising. It hit a peak of 10 percent in October of Obama’s first year.

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pete376403

7th November 2022, 18:08

Sounds awfully similar to the line:

"If there are no slaves, who will pick the Cotton?"

You'll note that the article was written in 2010.

I mean, I have a very simple solution - if there are many jobs, but no one wants to work them - then those people who are otherwise unemployed clearly have another source of income - so you take away benefits until those positions are filled...

Love to see how that would fly, regardless of which government tried it. The unemployed may not have much but they have their guns.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 18:15

Love to see how that would fly, regardless of which government tried it. The unemployed may not have much but they have their guns.

If they can afford Guns (and especially Ammunition at todays prices...) then they definitely have an alternate source of Income...

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 18:16

Images

I love the fact that you are posting something that confirms my point - everything was going fine until Covid.

And the Lockdowns were wrong.

sugilite

7th November 2022, 19:20

Are you saying there wasn't a tangential barb attached?

I don't doubt it - again, Ben Shapiro has been making this prediction for months as to why DeSantis shouldn't go against Trump.

I did - especially when the data about the Effects of Covid policy on Children came out that showing DeSantis was right all along.

Masks are useless in Children, as is the Vaccine and closing schools (Shock! Horror!) had a significant negative impact on childrens' learning!
My post was not designed to be about you and your opinion, hence that song reference.

Clearly you still have not read the article i linked to comments section. I suggest that you do so, sort the comments by most popular and also be sure to check out the upvotes. Stand by for a shock on just how wrong shapiro is.

Well after reading your comments regarding children and covid, clearly those kids deserved the belittling and very public dressing down they received from the most powerful man in the state. Clearly those kids had it coming :rolleyes:

pete376403

7th November 2022, 19:20

If they can afford Guns (and especially Ammunition at todays prices...) then they definitely have an alternate source of Income...

A gun stolen, inherited, or bought 10-20 years ago when times were better, is just as lethal as one bought yesterday. Without looking too hard, 9mm is $0.25 / round in USA. Not much really

sugilite

7th November 2022, 19:43

As are the Democrats, based on Video evidence

Goose/Gander - yet only one of them every gets censured for it.
Its the video reference that bought about your pickle when i said ok, lets share videos of election deniers, upon you realising that the repubs videos would out strip the dems by a very, VERY substantial margin, you resorted to some misdirection chicanery. So i say again, want to start the sharing election denial videos? I know i can expect more chicanery from you as it will rather crap all over your poor repubs premise.
They are the party of how many benghazi investigations again?
It is not like it is their first rodeo at obsessive investigations.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 20:07

A gun stolen, inherited, or bought 10-20 years ago when times were better, is just as lethal as one bought yesterday. Without looking too hard, 9mm is $0.25 / round in USA. Not much really

And yet, everywhere I follow that is related to Firearms news/reviews/opinions in the US, the comments are full of people bemoaning the price of Ammunition (Especially 9mm...) in the US.

Even in NZ, I see limits on .22lr at Hunting and Fishing.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 20:25

My post was not designed to be about you and your opinion, hence that song reference.

Clearly you still have not read the article i linked to comments section. I suggest that you do so, sort the comments by most popular and also be sure to check out the upvotes. Stand by for a shock on just how wrong shapiro is.

"I voted for Trump twice and would vote for him again, but DeSantis would be the better choice/less polarizing/more unifying/less baggage than Trump and I don't think Trump should call him names"

That's kinda the meta-post that I read, lots of very similar posts expressing mild disapproval.

Kinda like "I like both Trump and DeSantis and a mildly amusing nickname is not going to get my panties in a twist."

As for the Shapiro point, you miss the intent of the comment.

Shapiro's full quote is something like this:

"Trump is a wrecking ball, anyone who goes against him in a primary is going to get destroyed like they did in 2016 and loose any Political capital they had. So if Trump decides to run and I think he will, it would be better for the likes of Ron to not oppose him, but to let him run in 2024"

If Ron decides to run against Trump, it's likely Trump will go full-on attack mode against DeSantis, something that IMO would harm both of their prospects, whereas the tactical decision is to let Trump run in 2024 without opposition (because Biden has been doing an excellent job for Trump's re-election campaign...) and then have DeSantis run in 2028.

Trump making an off-the-cuff jibe at DeSantis is probably part warning shot across the bow and part Trump being Trump.

Well after reading your comments regarding children and covid, clearly those kids deserved the belittling and very public dressing down they received from the most powerful man in the state. Clearly those kids had it coming :rolleyes:

I think you over-egg the remark, hardly a dressing down - a single line of rebuke is perhaps more accurate.

But here's the kicker sometimes as a Parent, you have to do what is best for a Child in the Longterm, which might mean a dressing down in the short term.

And Florida's educational scored that came out in October vs other states that had more restrictive policies shows that DeSantis's ethic of 'We need to teach the kids to Read and Write, not teach them to be scared' was the best long-term outcome.

sugilite

7th November 2022, 20:25

Yeah, the price of killing school kids in the US just keeps going up, its a fucking travesty :(

sugilite

7th November 2022, 20:29

Ron should of left it to the parents to sort out then. And it was more than one sentence sport.

If Trump runs, repubs are going to lose plain and simple. If desatan runs, they will win by a landslide.
Lets see if the repubs self preservation kicks in and they dump heir bully.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 20:33

Its the video reference that bought about your pickle when i said ok, lets share videos of election deniers, upon you realising that the repubs videos would out strip the dems by a very, VERY substantial margin, you resorted to some misdirection chicanery. So i say again, want to start the sharing election denial videos? I know i can expect more chicanery from you as it will rather crap all over your poor repubs premise.
They are the party of how many benghazi investigations again?
It is not like it is their first rodeo at obsessive investigations.

I never denied you could post more videos of Republicans doing it - I said that there is enough videos of Democrats doing the same thing - Senators, Congress people, Attorney Generals etc. that when the Democrats did it, it cannot be waived off as 'Mere Fringe Lunatics'.

And yet, only the Republicans got censured for doing it.

This is not Chicanery.

It is pointing to a differing standard that the likes of Twitter et al applied to those who lean Left vs those who lean Right.

The left can burn down cities, kill 50+ people, cause Billions of dollars in Damage, declare areas of the country seceded from the Union and be supported by every Mega-Corp and Democrat politician and....

Nothing. Silence. The Chirping of Crickets.

The Republicans are let into the Capitol building, unarmed, have one person shot dead by the Police and suddenly it's the end of Democracy and we must have a Witch-hunt trial to secure our democracy, people must be banned from Twatter and Farcebook.

And then the Dems wonder why no one gives a flying fuck about the Jan 6th hearing.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 20:39

Yeah, the price of killing school kids in the US just keeps going up, its a fucking travesty :(

Also the price of stopping Pedophiles and Wife Beaters.
And stopping crimes. Let's remember the 4,000,000 crimes stopped a year by armed citizen intervention.

Ron should of left it to the parents to sort out then. And it was more than one sentence sport.

The whole interaction, IIRC correctly was he walks in and is exasperated at the theatre before him, tells them to stop being silly and take them off, then walks it back by saying they can do what they want, but they look silly.

The actual rebuke was one, maybe two sentences (depending on how you punctuated it).

Real stern stuff.

sugilite

7th November 2022, 20:44

Boom, max chicanery implemented with a healthy dollop of hypocrisy as is the demonlord way.
no mention of all the many benghazi investigations.
no mention that every republican must embrace trumps election lie or be labelled rinos.
your chicanery is hilarious, especially when you deny it, while putfing in motogp levels of skill in implementing it :laugh:

husaberg

7th November 2022, 20:51

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sugilite

7th November 2022, 20:52

Also the price of stopping Pedophiles and Wife Beaters.
And stopping crimes. Let's remember the 4,000,000 crimes stopped a year by armed citizen intervention.

The whole interaction, IIRC correctly was he walks in and is exasperated at the theatre before him, tells them to stop being silly and take them off, then walks it back by saying they can do what they want, but they look silly.

The actual rebuke was one, maybe two sentences (depending on how you punctuated it).

Real stern stuff.
4 million good guys with guns and bazillion bad guys with guns, and hundreds upon hundreds of murdered school children by sick cunts with guns. If only there was a common denominator that could be addressed? <_<

If Jacinda belittled your child in a massively public way, you would be outraged. Replace Jacinda with a Conservative, and maximum dick suck with alcalades would ensue :laugh:

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 21:00

If Trump runs, repubs are going to lose plain and simple. If desatan runs, they will win by a landslide.
Lets see if the repubs self preservation kicks in and they dump heir bully.

Gah! Stop editing, it makes it harder to keep up.

Okay - We'll see after the Mid-Terms, but all poll results are looking like it will be a bloodbath against the Dems.

If Trump runs, who in the Dems can run against him?

Biden? Fuck no.
Harris? You're having a laugh.
AOC? I mean, I'd love to see it for the Memes.
Cuomo? He's got the blood of the NY elderly on his hands.
Buttigieg? "I'm going to take your ARs" - openly advocating to breach the Constitution, not a vote winner.

Who?

All Trump has to do is this:

"Remember how good you had it when I was president? You remember how Prices were low, Gas was affordable, the shelves weren't empty, we weren't fighting pointless foreign wars, Immigration was under control?"

End.

Those that voted against Trump as a protest vote due to Covid are going to be less likely to do so in the next election because their lives have been fucked by Biden.

Quick fun aside - I have a friend, who is pretty much a modern-day Nomad. Travels the world, going to Hippy festivals etc. He recently came back from Burning Man and some other events in the states, bearing in mind he's most definitely on the Left, Very Left - here is what he had to say:

"The whole place just seemed depressed, it's not like the last time I was able to go over there (pre-Covid), people aren't excited and they just seem really down"

That's a United States under the 'leadership' of Biden. When even the Lefty-Hippies are depressed because he's made their lives worse.

Not to mention that the next election is unlikely to have a high number of Mail-in votes, it will be very interesting to see what the numbers say. Very interesting.

Now, I agree, if DeSantis gets the Nomination and Trump stands aside, DeSantis doesn't have the polarizing Baggage that Trump does, he is running on nearly the exact same agenda, just without the Trump factor (both good and bad). Ron will absolutely Crush it.

No doubt, however I think it would better for Trump to get in:

He's only got a single Term, can't be re-elected - that places him in the perfect position to basically force through a lot of unpopular (but some might argue necessary) legislation. I can't remember which President it was, one of the ones from the 1800s I think that said they only needed a single term in office to do all that they needed to do - something like that.

It would also be glorious for the Meme value, and well... I love a good meme.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 21:06

4 million good guys with guns and bazillion bad guys with guns, and hundreds upon hundreds of murdered school children by sick cunts with guns. If only there was a common denominator that could be addressed? <_<

Indeed. Lack of fathers in the home create angry young men who will do anything to get recognition and attention.

"The child who is shunned by the village will burn it down just to feel it's Warmth"

Add in a dose of public policy that incentivizes single motherhood, Policing policy that allows gang activity (just like in NZ currently...) and several other factors.

If Jacinda belittled your child in a massively public way, you would be outraged. Replace Jacinda with a Conservative, and maximum dick suck with alcalades would ensue :laugh:

I would be outraged for that Toxic cunt to be within speaking distance of my Child, regardless of what lies came out of her wretched mouth.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2022, 21:11

Boom, max chicanery implemented with a healthy dollop of hypocrisy as is the demonlord way.
no mention of all the many benghazi investigations.

I've stated my opinion on Benghazi - that anyone who did what Hilary did on a pure IT security policy level would be fired immediately on the spot. That she wasn't tells me many things.

Interesting that you bring it up though - afterall the FBI told us that deliberately setting up your own private email server was not grounds for being charged with mishandling classified documents.

Yet, I don't seem to recall Hilary's house getting raided at Gun Point.

One rule for the Republicans, another for Democrats, yet again.

no mention that every republican must embrace trumps election lie or be labelled rinos.

The problem here is that nearly everyone who was labelled a RINO by Trump.... Has been called a RINO previously.

There is a long and storied history of people being called RINOs for various reasons - most of which with the passage of time have been proved correct.

But the biggest joke is that ultimately it's the people who decide - and of the 10 people that crossed the aisle against Trump, almost all of them have been summarily ousted by the Voters.

Is it the Party of Trump or is it the Party of the Electorate?

sugilite

7th November 2022, 21:11

Im on the picton ferry with shit Internet on my phone, so suck the edits up.
A Republican mega doner does not share your sentiments
Republican mega-donor Ken Griffin says it's time to 'move on' from Trump, backs DeSantis for 2024

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-mega-donor-ken-griffin-says-time-move-from-trump-backs-desantis-2024

His comment that trump is needlessly divisive pretty much sums it up.

They run trump, they will lose.... Again.

sugilite

7th November 2022, 21:17

I've stated my opinion on Benghazi - that anyone who did what Hilary did on a pure IT security policy level would be fired immediately on the spot. That she wasn't tells me many things.

Interesting that you bring it up though - afterall the FBI told us that deliberately setting up your own private email server was not grounds for being charged with mishandling classified documents.

Yet, I don't seem to recall Hilary's house getting raided at Gun Point.

One rule for the Republicans, another for Democrats, yet again.

The problem here is that nearly everyone who was labelled a RINO by Trump.... Has been called a RINO previously.

There is a long and storied history of people being called RINOs for various reasons - most of which with the passage of time have been proved correct.

But the biggest joke is that ultimately it's the people who decide - and of the 10 people that crossed the aisle against Trump, almost all of them have been summarily ousted by the Voters.

Is it the Party of Trump or is it the Party of the Electorate?
Im sorry, how many benghazi investigations was it?
And yet more chicanery, any canidate wanting trumps endorsement had to ebrace trumps big lie. And it absolutely was a big lie with more than 50 failed court cases.

sugilite

7th November 2022, 21:34

I would be outraged for that Toxic cunt to be within speaking distance of my Child, regardless of what lies came out of her wretched mouth.

And yet if it were ron desatan emotionally harming your children, you would be all "ohh ron, i so admire your conservitive child abuse values, im willing to compromise my own morals and fatherly duties" :love:

1/32 man

8th November 2022, 07:01

Yet, I don't seem to recall Hilary's house getting raided at Gun Point.

Are you suggesting the FBI raided Marilego with drawn guns when they knocked on the door?

Lucky for them trump was in New York coz he would have challenged them to fight and won bigly.

TheDemonLord

8th November 2022, 07:28

Are you suggesting the FBI raided Marilego with drawn guns when they knocked on the door?

I mean, the pictures speak for themselves. (https://www.google.com/search?q=fbi+mar+a+lago&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALiCzsY9xMuSfl85cnYtS8Kus4HIjVMkug:166784924 4840&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja9pvO5pz7AhUU7zgGHQpyA4gQ_AUoAnoECAIQB A&biw=1920&bih=955&dpr=1)

TheDemonLord

8th November 2022, 07:35

Im sorry, how many benghazi investigations was it?

10.

How many spurious investigations into Trump has there been?

I mean, with Benghazi, there was at least some degree of wrong-doing there that warranted investigation.

As I said, If Hilary had done what she did in any corporate entity that I've worked at - she would be out the door within the hour.

And yet more chicanery, any canidate wanting trumps endorsement had to ebrace trumps big lie.

Then surely, the Voters (who they are ultimately beholden to) would have lovingly embraced these Brave and Noble candidates who stood on their own principles, right?

Oh dear, they voted those turncoats out as fast as they could.

And it absolutely was a big lie with more than 50 failed court cases.

We'll see next Election, if Trump runs, my prediction is that the number of votes he's going to get will be on par with the number of votes in the last election, but the number of votes the Dems are going to get are going to be mysteriously lower, by a suspicious amount.

Does that conclusively, beyond all reasonable doubt, prove that the 2020 election had interference? No. But combined with all the other irregularities and first in 200 year events, it certain does have the faint waft of Eu du Bovine.

This is without raising the info that we now know (thanks to Elon) about the Federal interference with the public square and the censoring of information that was damaging to one side and one side only.

Whilst that doesn't mean the Vote tallies were rigged, it's certainly a big black mark against the claim it was a free and fair election.

TheDemonLord

8th November 2022, 07:40

And yet if it were ron desatan emotionally harming your children, you would be all "ohh ron, i so admire your conservitive child abuse values, im willing to compromise my own morals and fatherly duties" :love:

If DeSantis had subjected my Children to the same issues that Stalinda has done, then maybe (and this is the most charitable Maybe I've ever given you), you would have a point.

And I feel the need to remind you, the Children he 'dressed down' were all Teenagers, not exactly in the single digit age, some of whom were taller than Ron...

Bit of a difference.

I've given far worse dressing downs to some wayward youths who had parked in my driveway and looked to be up-to-no-good.

The biggest problem you have, however, is that the data speaks for itself:

More people (especially people with children) are migrating from the likes of California and New York to the likes of Florida. Because they recognize that Freedom and Education are important. The Academic results of Florida compared to other states that instituted harsher lockdown restrictions is a testament to which strategy was correct.

Laava

8th November 2022, 08:54

Are you suggesting the FBI raided Marilego with drawn guns when they knocked on the door?

Lucky for them trump was in New York coz he would have challenged them to fight and won bigly.

Hells yeah, lethal bone spurs!

pritch

8th November 2022, 09:36

Energy Policy was a War Crime? I expected denial, but this sounds borderline Conspiratorial - pray tell Pritch, how does making the US a net exporter of Energy constitute a War Crime?

His "policy" was to take oil off Arab states, initially Syria. He was specifically not going to buy it. He was going to put a US company in to take it. It had to be explained to him that would constitute a war crime.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/28/774053444/fact-check-president-trumps-plans-for-syrian-oil

TheDemonLord

8th November 2022, 10:33

His "policy" was to take oil off Arab states, initially Syria. He was specifically not going to buy it. He was going to put a US company in to take it. It had to be explained to him that would constitute a war crime.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/28/774053444/fact-check-president-trumps-plans-for-syrian-oil

So, the article is attributing a quote from Trump in 2011 as evidence that he would commit a War Crime in 2019.

And you wonder why I'm just a teensy bit Skeptical.

However, I never said anything about Syrian Oil, so this is a complete Red Herring - my exact point was making the US a net Exporter of Energy, which was due to his internal energy policy.

1/32 man

8th November 2022, 11:36

Quote Originally Posted by 1/32 man View Post
Are you suggesting the FBI raided Marilego with drawn guns when they knocked on the door?
I mean, the pictures speak for themselves.

You better help me there...

I have seen the armed guard at the gate but you better show me some of the FBI with guns out entering the house or I am doubting you.

TheDemonLord

8th November 2022, 11:59

You better help me there...

I have seen the armed guard at the gate but you better show me some of the FBI with guns out entering the house or I am doubting you.

Do you think they took their Rifles out of the car to pose for photos in front of the gate before securely storing them back in their vehicles?

Cause that is what you would have to believe for that statement to be true....

sugilite

8th November 2022, 14:21

10.

How many spurious investigations into Trump has there been?

I mean, with Benghazi, there was at least some degree of wrong-doing there that warranted investigation..
That is 10 investigations into the exact same thing :lol:
Most of the investigations into trump are warrented, more on that later.

As I said, If Hilary had done what she did in any corporate entity that I've worked at - she would be out the door within the hour..
Ahem, trump taking home classified documents after getting sacked from the job?

Then surely, the Voters (who they are ultimately beholden to) would have lovingly embraced these Brave and Noble candidates who stood on their own principles, right?

Oh dear, they voted those turncoats out as fast as they could..
A great example of your chicanery. I talk about republicans having to embrace the big lie to get an endorsement, and you pivot to what im guessing is the Republican lot that honorably voted for impeachment? You have no answer, so change the question and answer that. Very magat.

We'll see next Election, if Trump runs, my prediction is that the number of votes he's going to get will be on par with the number of votes in the last election, but the number of votes the Dems are going to get are going to be mysteriously lower, by a suspicious amount.

Whilst that doesn't mean the Vote tallies were rigged, it's certainly a big black mark against the claim it was a free and fair election.
The dem voters are already so dissolutioned, their voting numbers are already lower than usual for the mid terms. So your assertions are already skewed. 50 failed court cases and such things as tbe magat besed arizona investigations actually finding more votes for Biden only points to your big black mark being the big arse partisan eyepatch covering not just your eye, but a large part of your brain too.

Now, more to all the investigations into trump. Being bought up by a white surpremisist father with no shortage of dodgyness, means trump is pretty much preprogrammed to dishonesty.
His ex fixer lawyer detailed in depth how trump was schooled by one particular dodgy lawyer known to be one of the slipery operators ever (name escapes me now) into all the ways of disposing of dirty evidence and setting up lackies to take the fall. As per half his campaign team ending up in jail during the course of an investigation that you have been desperately trying to sell us as being a witch hunt. Now before you start the inevitable wall of chicanery by stating Cohen is a liar etc, consider, that is the pedigree trump was seeking out when hiring him, and was happy enough with the quality of his work for more than a decade.
Trump absolutely is a criminal, and one day, i believe he will have the convictions to prove it.