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pritch

14th June 2023, 13:41

The word unprecedented has been used a lot lately and the current situation is unprecedented. Almost.

In the early seventies the DoJ had evidence that the Governor of Maryland was corrupt. You want this contract to build a bridge? Give me 10 grand and it's yours. That type of thing. As the investigation proceeded it became evident that this had been the custom in Maryland for some time and had actually involved successive Governors. Where was the previous Governor? He was in the White House, he was Vice President Spiro T Agnew. And the investigations indicated he had taken his corrupt practices with him to the new job.

The investigation eventually culminated in some forty corruption charges against Agnew. He said it was a politically motivated witch hunt, 'my political enemies', 'corrupt DoJ', blah blah blah. All familiar today.

The matter became urgent. Watergate was coming to a head, it was looking as if Nixon would resign or be removed imminently which would promote Agnew to President, and he was likely headed to a jail cell instead of the Oval Office.

I can remember hearing the item on the local radio news. Agnew had resigned and he had pleaded guilty to a single charge of tax evasion. A deal had been done, but he was gone.

That's history, not a crystal ball, but it may be that history repeats at least partially.

husaberg

14th June 2023, 18:51

Grumph

14th June 2023, 19:31

You've got to remember that the Republicans then were largely law abiding. They were horrified by Watergate and it was party pressure which got Nixon out.
They also put pressure on Agnew.

The current crop of GOP senators and representatives are totally different. Apologists and enablers for Trump. Some even calling for armed insurrection via twitter.

He's never ever going to accept a plea deal which would take him out of politics. He hasn't yet bled his supporters completely dry. Plenty of money to be made yet.

This is going to run and run. The US is basically fucked.

pritch

14th June 2023, 20:30

That's twice now, once in New York and now in Miami, he has called the faithful to his aid and very few came. For a guy who claimed (wrongly) that his inauguration crowd was the biggest ever, that must burn. Good.

Onward and upward, another rally, another dollar...

pritch

15th June 2023, 14:00

More bad news for Trump. The judge hearing the other E Jean Carroll case in New York has approved Carroll's motion to add the remarks made by Trump the day after her five million claim was successful. He had repeated the defaming remarks at his CNN 'Town hall'. And the judge also approved the addition of another ten million dollars to her claim.

She doesn't really have to prove anything. The main question now is mainly about how much?

pritch

15th June 2023, 20:24

A new Lincoln Project ad. They sometimes have success in placing their ads where the intended audience of one will see them. This one will mess with his head if he sees it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quUWGERR3DQ

pritch

16th June 2023, 12:57

Judge Cannon who has been appointed to preside over Trumps trial was expected to recuse herself. People have been waiting for indications of how she would react. Interestingly she has issued an order. The order is not controversial at all. She has ordered counsel to get security clearances. They will need to be cleared to the appropriate level to handle the documents in this case.

Most cases in the federal court system are decided by plea deals. The judge doesn't need to spend any time in court in such cases. This means that Judge Cannon's total judicial court experience amounts to fourteen days in court. That'd be OK if Trump was charged with not paying a parking fine, but 37 charges including espionage?

We await developments with interest.

pritch

16th June 2023, 20:32

it's reported that Trump's legal team advised him to return the documents and seek a deal. Trump ignored the lawyers and took the advice of Tom Fitton who apparently counselled against the advice of the lawyers. Fitton who likes to wear shirts that are too small, and who despite the impression he tries to create, is not a lawyer.

Trump should have followed Machiavelli's advice to be well advised.

R650R

18th June 2023, 09:34

I think he all clutching at straws if we need to worry about his lawyers wardrobe choices…

This thread reminds me of the old saying a watched pot never boils… in this case the oven still switched off at the wall…

pritch

18th June 2023, 09:48

I think he all clutching at straws if we need to worry about his lawyers wardrobe choices…

If you're saying what I think you're saying, you need to work on your comprehension skills. The post clearly states Fitton is not a lawyer.

R650R

18th June 2023, 09:52

If you're saying what I think you're saying, you need to work on your comprehension skills. The post clearly states Fitton is not a lawyer.

I skim read all posts where it’s clear nothing new of material substance has arisen to effect Trumps path to jail…
We should be running a Melbourne cup style sweepstake on this pick the month and year trump goes to jail.

pritch

18th June 2023, 15:29

We should be running a Melbourne cup style sweepstake on this pick the month and year trump goes to jail.

Don't say that. You'll get me all excited. As much as I'd love to see it I don't believe it will happen.

The young Massachusetts Air Guardsman, Teixeira, who faces charges over leaking a few documents online is locked up awaiting trial.
Intelligence Analyst, Reality Winner, who leaked a single document was locked up while awaiting trial.
Trump is still flying around in his private jet with no restrictions on his movement while facing thirty seven charges.

Justice is blind? Yeah right.

george formby

18th June 2023, 16:05

Don't say that. You'll get me all excited. As much as I'd love to see it I don't believe it will happen.

The young Massachusetts Air Guardsman, Teixeira, who faces charges over leaking a few documents online is locked up awaiting trial.
Intelligence Analyst, Reality Winner, who leaked a single document was locked up while awaiting trial.
Trump is still flying around in his private jet with no restrictions on his movement while facing thirty seven charges.

Justice is blind? Yeah right.

He hasn't leaked any documents that I'm aware of but he has taken a leak with the documents..

pritch

23rd June 2023, 15:39

Following "discovery" the process by which the defence is given details of the prosecution case, Trump now knows who is giving evidence against him and basically what they will say. As you might imagine he is not handling it well.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-melts-down-doj-mar-a-lago-evidence-1234776019/

Below: some clever artwork has been added to Trump's star in Hollywood.

actungbaby

24th June 2023, 13:21

Laava

24th June 2023, 16:55

Funny .are those pizza boxs
With news paper clipings
Sets of wigs [emoji16]

Sent from my CPH1941 using Tapatalk
No they are not wigs, they are toilet paper. But I can see how that could be misconstrued in Trumps case.

pritch

30th June 2023, 15:44

Things are happening in the US. The Special Counsel's team has been talking to former Secretary of State for Georgia, Raffsenberger. "I just need 11,780 votes." The guy on that phone call.

Rudy Giuliani had a meeting with the prosecutors which leads experts to believe he is cooperating with the prosecutors. So also has Mark Meadows Trump's former Chief of Staff.

All of this leads various prominent legal experts to believe Trump is about to be indicted on another raft of charges (up to 45 more?). Likely charges are conspiracy to commit fraud against the US, or conspiracy to overthrow the US government. If found guilty of the latter Trump would be forbidden to seek any future public office but that charge would be more difficult to prove. A case could be made that because Biden had not been inaugurated there was no government to overthrow. That seems a stretch but there is a 6-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court so...

TheDemonLord

1st July 2023, 09:20

sugilite

1st July 2023, 12:24

You are a very unusual individual. On one hand you seem very concerned that Asians should have equal opportunities to get into college, and on the other hand, very accepting of dozens and dozens of school children to have their brains splatted on school walls and floors in mass shootings without an ounce of government effort to stop that shit.

Anyhoo.....
I wonder which billionaire sponsored this latest result you speak of?

Pollies in drag on the take:

1. Sonia Sotomayor, who joined the court in 2009 and has been paid millions of dollars from the publisher over the years, declined to recuse herself in all three instances.

2. Neil Gorsuch's property sale - Justice Neil Gorsuch sold a property he co-owned shortly after becoming a justice. He disclosed the sale, but omitted that the property was sold to the chief executive of Greenberg Traurig, one the country's biggest law firms. Greenberg Traurig frequently has cases before the high court. Gorsuch, who joined the court in 2017 and also has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in book deals with the publisher, declined to disqualify himself from the more recent case when it came before the court for consideration.

3. John Roberts wife's work as a legal recruiter raised ethics concerns for the chief justice. Jane Roberts was reportedly paid millions of dollars for placing lawyers at firms, including some with business before the Supreme Court.

4. Clarence Thomas has been especially busy with corruption - Harlan Crow Trips:Thomas has for years accepted trips from GOP megadonor and developer Harlan Crow, including on his private jet and superyacht, without disclosing them on financial disclosures as federal law requires.

Harlan Crow Tuition: Crow also paid two years of tuition for Thomas’ grandnephew Mark Martin, whom the justice has custody of, to attend two private schools in the 2000s, which cost $6,000 per month at one of the schools and were similarly not disclosed—even as Thomas did disclose a tuition payment a different friend made years earlier.

Harlan Crow Real Estate: Thomas and his family also sold a string of properties in Savannah, Georgia, to Crow in 2014 without disclosing that as required, ProPublica reports—including the home where his mother still lives—which Crow told the publication he purchased so he could eventually build a museum dedicated to the justice.

Ginni Thomas Conservative Activism: Thomas’ wife, Ginni Thomas, is a right-wing activist, which has raised considerable ethics concerns about overlap between her and her husband’s work—particularly as the New Yorker reported groups she’s been involved with have submitted briefs before the Supreme Court, including a group that has weighed in on the court’s pending case about affirmative action in university admissions.

Ginni Thomas Leonard Leo: Leo, a conservative judicial activist who’s spent billions on efforts to reshape the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, told then-conservative pollster Kellyanne Conway to give Ginni Thomas “another $25k” through a nonprofit group he advises—which then filed a brief with the Supreme Court—but conceal that the payment was for her, the Post reports, telling Conway, “No mention of Ginni, of course.”

Ginni Thomas 2020 Election: Thomas pushed efforts to overturn the 2020 election results as her husband was hearing cases on it, including sending text messages to then White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, which fueled calls for Thomas to resign or face impeachment over the perceived conflict of interest.

January 6: Ginni Thomas has also confirmed she briefly attended the rally on January 6 that preceded the attack on the Capitol building and publicly criticized the House January 6 Committee, and the justice has come under fire for failing to recuse himself in a case concerning former President Donald Trump’s records being turned over to the committee—in which he was the only justice to dissent and believe the records should have been withheld.

Ginni Thomas Funding: The Post reported in March that a conservative group Ginni Thomas formed in 2019 had raised nearly $600,000 from anonymous donors funneled through a right-wing think tank that filed an amicus brief at the Supreme Court during the same time, and ethics experts said Clarence Thomas should have recused himself from that case if his wife was paid by the group.

Financial Disclosures: Thomas has made a series of other “errors and omissions” on financial disclosure reports, includes reporting real estate income for decades from a company that shut down in 2006 and has in the past had to amend his financial disclosures multiple times, including after failing to report his wife’s income in the 2000s.

Sanctioned corruption wins the day in a 4 to 3 split decision by the supreme court "justices" :laugh:

TheDemonLord

1st July 2023, 17:57

You are a very unusual individual. On one hand you seem very concerned that Asians should have equal opportunities to get into college, and on the other hand, very accepting of dozens and dozens of school children to have their brains splatted on school walls and floors in mass shootings without an ounce of government effort to stop that shit.

It's almost like there's something in the Constitution about both those things. One that says 'Shall not be infringed' and one that says 'nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws'

There's nothing unusual about wanting the Government to play by it's own rules.

Speaking of though - I did see I think one of the California Democrats propose repealing 2A - we'll see what sort of support he gets for this. That'll be the real test, do the majority of Americans want change?

Anyhoo.....
I wonder which billionaire sponsored this latest result you speak of?

Pollies in drag on the take:

1. Sonia Sotomayor, who joined the court in 2009 and has been paid millions of dollars from the publisher over the years, declined to recuse herself in all three instances.

2. Neil Gorsuch's property sale - Justice Neil Gorsuch sold a property he co-owned shortly after becoming a justice. He disclosed the sale, but omitted that the property was sold to the chief executive of Greenberg Traurig, one the country's biggest law firms. Greenberg Traurig frequently has cases before the high court. Gorsuch, who joined the court in 2017 and also has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in book deals with the publisher, declined to disqualify himself from the more recent case when it came before the court for consideration.

3. John Roberts wife's work as a legal recruiter raised ethics concerns for the chief justice. Jane Roberts was reportedly paid millions of dollars for placing lawyers at firms, including some with business before the Supreme Court.

4. Clarence Thomas has been especially busy with corruption - Harlan Crow Trips:Thomas has for years accepted trips from GOP megadonor and developer Harlan Crow, including on his private jet and superyacht, without disclosing them on financial disclosures as federal law requires.

Harlan Crow Tuition: Crow also paid two years of tuition for Thomas’ grandnephew Mark Martin, whom the justice has custody of, to attend two private schools in the 2000s, which cost $6,000 per month at one of the schools and were similarly not disclosed—even as Thomas did disclose a tuition payment a different friend made years earlier.

Harlan Crow Real Estate: Thomas and his family also sold a string of properties in Savannah, Georgia, to Crow in 2014 without disclosing that as required, ProPublica reports—including the home where his mother still lives—which Crow told the publication he purchased so he could eventually build a museum dedicated to the justice.

Ginni Thomas Conservative Activism: Thomas’ wife, Ginni Thomas, is a right-wing activist, which has raised considerable ethics concerns about overlap between her and her husband’s work—particularly as the New Yorker reported groups she’s been involved with have submitted briefs before the Supreme Court, including a group that has weighed in on the court’s pending case about affirmative action in university admissions.

Ginni Thomas Leonard Leo: Leo, a conservative judicial activist who’s spent billions on efforts to reshape the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, told then-conservative pollster Kellyanne Conway to give Ginni Thomas “another $25k” through a nonprofit group he advises—which then filed a brief with the Supreme Court—but conceal that the payment was for her, the Post reports, telling Conway, “No mention of Ginni, of course.”

Ginni Thomas 2020 Election: Thomas pushed efforts to overturn the 2020 election results as her husband was hearing cases on it, including sending text messages to then White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, which fueled calls for Thomas to resign or face impeachment over the perceived conflict of interest.

January 6: Ginni Thomas has also confirmed she briefly attended the rally on January 6 that preceded the attack on the Capitol building and publicly criticized the House January 6 Committee, and the justice has come under fire for failing to recuse himself in a case concerning former President Donald Trump’s records being turned over to the committee—in which he was the only justice to dissent and believe the records should have been withheld.

Ginni Thomas Funding: The Post reported in March that a conservative group Ginni Thomas formed in 2019 had raised nearly $600,000 from anonymous donors funneled through a right-wing think tank that filed an amicus brief at the Supreme Court during the same time, and ethics experts said Clarence Thomas should have recused himself from that case if his wife was paid by the group.

Financial Disclosures: Thomas has made a series of other “errors and omissions” on financial disclosure reports, includes reporting real estate income for decades from a company that shut down in 2006 and has in the past had to amend his financial disclosures multiple times, including after failing to report his wife’s income in the 2000s.

Sanctioned corruption wins the day in a 4 to 3 split decision by the supreme court "justices" :laugh:

I followed the Clarence Thomas 'corruption' claims for a while - There's a few instances where I'll agree it looks somewhat improper - but what turned it into a nothing-burger for me was that in those instances, there wasn't a case before the court where Justice Thomas and his friendship for Mr Crow (which IIRC they have been friends for nearly 30 years) has a conflict of interest.

All-in-all what I found in the reporting of it was basically a bunch of butthurt lefties attacking the most conservative judge on the court. Reading Justice Thomas' opinions - you would be hard pressed to say that he has been 'swayed' in decisions, he's been pretty consistent in his textualist positions and deferring strictly to the Constitution over his tenure as a SCOTUS Judge.

It's funny how all the talk of 'representation' goes out the window, when it's a minority that doesn't agree with leftism ;)

R650R

1st July 2023, 19:25

Speaking of the conservative SCOTUS - Bye Bye Racist Uni entrance requirements.

I've been loving the tears on the left at how upset they are that they can no longer discriminate against Asians on the basis of their race for University.

Just goes to show that the Party switch myth is a myth and the party of racism, is still the party of racism.

Thanks now I can make sense of the Babylon bee meme. They had a picture of the black judge in Supreme Court with words “ democrats go crazy after racially appointed judge bans racism”.

Back to topic Trumps about to maybe get charged with something else…. yawn wake me up when he’s FOUND guilty of something outside of being bombastic.

TheDemonLord

3rd July 2023, 12:18

Every US President had a descendant who owned slaves....

Except Trump.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Pursang

3rd July 2023, 12:44

Every US President had a descendant who owned slaves....Except Trump.

I think the term you need is "antecedent".

Though..... when the SCOTUS repeals the 'Emancipation Act', I'm sure the Trump kids will be sitting in the first row at the Auction!

Come to think of it, Harlan Crow already 'owns' Clarence Thomas.

TheDemonLord

3rd July 2023, 13:05

I think the term you need is "antecedent".

Good point, I was lazily going from Reuters.

Though..... when the SCOTUS repeals the 'Emancipation Act', I'm sure the Trump kids will be sitting in the first row at the Auction!

I think there's some confusion here.

There has been talk of amending the 14th amendment (which is the Emancipation/Equal rights Amendment) - but specifically the part that deals with US Citizenship by birth. The 'talk' has been around that if someone illegally enters the US and gives birth, their offspring (due to that Amendment) is now a US Citizen.

However, I put talk in quotation marks because no one has genuinely suggested an amendment to it, only hypothetical. Probably because if the Right touches the 14th amendment, the left will go after the first and second.

Come to think of it, Harlan Crow already 'owns' Clarence Thomas.

See above - it's a massive nothing burger.

And it's hilarious - because the moment someone who is (in accordance to leftist 'thought') 'Diverse', but holds a conservative opinion, the diversity requirements disappear in a puff of smoke.

husaberg

3rd July 2023, 14:49

TheDemonLord

3rd July 2023, 16:53

A Bunch of pictures

The fact that all the graphs conflate an Assault Rifle with a Semi-Automatic, and all from left-wing outlets tells me that the questioners probably didn't know what they were talking about and that the results are likely bunk.

However - if we take the polls as accurate, we find an interesting problem.

67% of people oppose repealing 2A - that would be the law that says 'Shall not be infringed' - and considering that same group, by 68% are wanting to infringe on those rights tells me that the people being asked probably would need a map to navigate their way from their asshole to their elbow.

R650R

3rd July 2023, 18:42

sugilite

3rd July 2023, 18:58

OK, so the 2A needs amending to reflect modern times, not repelling. Just make an AMENDMENT to insert some common sense gun laws in there that I listed elsewhere that you (tdl) agreed was sensible. Doing nothing is beyond stupid - and mind numbingly selfish.

Supreme court judges are there for life and represent the pinnacle of justice in arguably the most important democracy in the World, so they better be fucking squeaky clean. The four I listed are not - not even close.
Just the fact that Clarence has had a billionaire pay for very expensive paid holidays for years, his god child nephew or whatevas tuition paid for, and his mothers house purchased that she still lives in it stinks to high heaven. These people need to be beyond reproach. I give not one shit what colour, race, or sex or political team they belong to.

It seems to have eluded you that Crow is a businessman, and he could well be offering a judge in his pocket as a paid service to other businessmen with a vested interest in a certain outcome. If Clarence wasn't accepting shit he REALLY ethically should not be, then it would not be an issue.
Really, 90% of your diatribe could at best be (very charitably) described as flailing flatulence.

Oh and Trump does own slaves - 271 of them in fact. That is the number of gop senators and congressmen/women who were too stupid to get rid of Trump when they were given the chance in 2019, then again in 2021 :laugh:\
Looks like trump will steamroll his primary as meatballs numbers have only gone down since he declared his run officially. Your best hope is Biden runs, and going off how the mid terms went, the gop will still be toast - again.
Biden is so hard to watch now, his speech, the way he walks - looks like he will be lucky to make it to the end of next week, yet alone another 4 years. And the invisible woman VP Harris is about as popular as a soggy sandwich.
Trump and Biden = :sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::s ick::sick:

And R650R, you don't have to wait, Trump is already been found guilty of sexual abuse, and the big mouth will get a second helping thanks to his comments made in the CNN town hall :laugh:
He is far more effective at incriminating himself than defending himself, so he will eventually end up in the clink. Probs from jan 6th and or Georgia. Not the documents one though, he will get a mulligan for that shit.

pete376403

3rd July 2023, 19:04

A common line from the anti gun crowd is “why do you need guns, why do you need so many, just how many ene irs do you have????”

To which I reply “why do you fear someone else having guns? Is it because of the way you treat other people?”

History has shown us repeatedly that those who seek to disarm their populations are the first to do them great harm….

No doubt referring to the "Nazi gun control" story that is a cornerstone of anti-gun control proponents, even though it has been shown to be largely false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_argument

TheDemonLord

3rd July 2023, 19:25

No doubt referring to the "Nazi gun control" story that is a cornerstone of anti-gun control proponents, even though it has been shown to be largely false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_argument

From the Wikipedia article:

When the Nazi party gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened for Nazi party members only. The laws were tightened in other ways, such as specifically banning ownership of guns by Jews. Nazi laws systematically disarmed so-called "unreliable" persons, especially Jews while relaxing restrictions for Nazi party members. The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries.

So, which bit exactly is false?

If I look at the Criticism section, there's nothing that debunks the factual basis of the claim: The Nazis restricted access to firearms to the Jews and this helped in their persecution of them.

Some people are trying to make the claim that the Weimar republic had heavy restrictions (which doesn't disprove the point) or that it's based on a hypothetical (Do you think the Nazis would have been as successful at rounding people up to go to Death Camps if every Jewish person was armed equal to the SS?) or that they only made up a small percntage of the population that it wouldn't have made a difference. They say that Jews were 1% of the population. However, the SS (in 1939) only made up 0.3% of the population.

And let's say we don't like invoking 1930s germany - we could look at the Soviet Union, or China or Uganda.

There's a book on the subject called Lethal Laws.

TheDemonLord

3rd July 2023, 19:38

OK, so the 2A needs amending to reflect modern times, not repelling. Just make an AMENDMENT to insert some common sense gun laws in there that I listed elsewhere that you (tdl) agreed was sensible. Doing nothing is beyond stupid - and mind numbingly selfish.

I wouldn't phrase it like that, but I'm feeling charitable.

Here's the rub - look at Husa's graphs - not anything I picked - nearly 70% opposition to touching 2A. I believe there was a yougov poll that put opposition even higher at 79%.

It seems clear the majority of Americans don't want to touch the 2nd Amdendment. Therefore as it stands - 'Shall not be infringed'.

Supreme court judges are there for life and represent the pinnacle of justice in arguably the most important democracy in the World, so they better be fucking squeaky clean. The four I listed are not - not even close.
Just the fact that Clarence has had a billionaire pay for very expensive paid holidays for years, his god child nephew or whatevas tuition paid for, and his mothers house purchased that she still lives in it stinks to high heaven. These people need to be beyond reproach. I give not one shit what colour, race, or sex or political team they belong to.

It seems to have eluded you that Crow is a businessman, and he could well be offering a judge in his pocket as a paid service to other businessmen with a vested interest in a certain outcome. If Clarence wasn't accepting shit he REALLY ethically should not be, then it would not be an issue.
Really, 90% of your diatribe could at best be (very charitably) described as flailing flatulence.

Is Clarence allowed to have friends? You say 'Very expensive holidays' - to you and I, sure - to someone on nearly $300K USD a year, not so much. To a Billionaire even less so.

When it first came out - I had a look at the claims - and one thing was consistently absent - an example where Justice Thomas had ruled in case that was tangentially connected to Crow, which isn't in-line with his Textualist position.

He's probably the most consistent in his positions regarding the constitution - which makes it hard to stick the label of corruption to him.

Oh and Trump does own slaves - 271 of them in fact.

Haha, good joke. I just found it funny that even Obama had family ties to Slavery, but Trump - nope, he has none. I thought that was hilarious.

That is the number of gop senators and congressmen/women who were too stupid to get rid of Trump when they were given the chance in 2019, then again in 2021 :laugh:\
Looks like trump will steamroll his primary as meatballs numbers have only gone down since he declared his run officially. Your best hope is Biden runs, and going off how the mid terms went, the gop will still be toast - again.
Biden is so hard to watch now, his speech, the way he walks - looks like he will be lucky to make it to the end of next week, yet alone another 4 years. And the invisible woman VP Harris is about as popular as a soggy sandwich.
Trump and Biden = :sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::s ick::sick:

Serious question though: You've experienced the world under Trump and the world under Biden - which one did you prefer?

In terms of candidates, it will probably be Trump vs Desantis - Desantis though I don't think will beat Trump.

On the Democrat side - you've got RFK who is an interesting pick. Certainly has name recognition - but he's not popular with the activist wing of the Democrats (they view him as like Thulsi Ghabbard as the Dem equivalent of a RINO and have been getting their smears in already) - After that - who?

husaberg

3rd July 2023, 20:20

OK, so the 2A needs amending to reflect modern times, not repelling. Just make an AMENDMENT to insert some common sense gun laws in there that I listed elsewhere that you (tdl) agreed was sensible. Doing nothing is beyond stupid - and mind numbingly selfish.
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I don't think it needs changing The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution -- "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" -- was passed by Congress in 1789 and ratified two years later. it never mentions or alludes to, explicitly declare any right to have a semiautomatic rifle, a version of which wasn't invented until about a century later. only the right to keep and bear arms are mentioned.
The U.S. Supreme Court also has also not explicitly declared a constitutional right to semiautomatic rifles.

District of Columbia v. Heller, case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on June 26, 2008, held (5–4) that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess firearms independent of service in a state militia and to use firearms for traditionally lawful purposes, including self-defense within the home.

Heller tentatively suggested a list of “presumptively lawful” regulations, including bans on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, bans on carrying firearms in “sensitive places” such as schools and government buildings, laws restricting the commercial sale of arms, bans on the concealed carry of firearms, and bans on weapons “not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes.”

United States v. Miller supported an individual-right rather than a collective-right view, contrary to the dominant 20th-century interpretation of that decision. (In Miller, the Supreme Court unanimously held that a federal law requiring the registration of sawed-off shotguns did not violate the Second Amendment because such weapons did not have a “reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia.”) Finally, the court held that, because the framers understood the right of self-defense to be “the central component” of the right to keep and bear arms, the Second Amendment implicitly protects the right “to use arms in defense of hearth and home.”
It's interesting that R65s not looking toward her hero putins gun laws.

[Russians own more than 20 million guns, under permits for hunting and sport. Weapons with magazines that have more than ten cartridges or fire bursts of bullets are already outlawed. In order to be granted a permit, citizens must obtain a mental health certificate from a medical professional

Kickaha

3rd July 2023, 20:53

that would be the law that says 'Shall not be infringed' -

We've already established certain groups of people are not allowed to own or possess firearms in the USA, Federal laws routinely "infringe" upon that right

Pursang

3rd July 2023, 21:50

A "well balanced" SCOTUS can always re-define what a "Well Regulated Militia" implies, and requires!

Don't try to play the "observance of precedent" Joker card. Already been Trump'd in the Roe v Wade reversal.

Every Goddam' Bubba with a gun, needs to rock up for weekly militia exercises, to prepare to defend the union from the imminent Xi'na threat!

TheDemonLord

4th July 2023, 07:45

I don't think it needs changing The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution -- "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" -- was passed by Congress in 1789 and ratified two years later. it never mentions or alludes to, explicitly declare any right to have a semiautomatic rifle, a version of which wasn't invented until about a century later. only the right to keep and bear arms are mentioned.
The U.S. Supreme Court also has also not explicitly declared a constitutional right to semiautomatic rifles.

Are you trying to say that a Semi-Auto Rifle is not 'Arms'?

If you *really* want to talk about what was absolutely alluded to - An individual had the full right to own every type of Weapon that was available to the Government - which would include Semi-Auto rifles and full autos.

TheDemonLord

4th July 2023, 07:47

We've already established certain groups of people are not allowed to own or possess firearms in the USA, Federal laws routinely "infringe" upon that right

I mean convicted Felons aside (as there is precedent that certain crimes have consequences past jail time, both at the time of the constitution and before) and those who aren't mentally competent (again, long history of precedent there) - I'm not sure who you mean.

But if it makes you happy - yes, I agree that several Federal laws infringe on that right...

And they should be scrapped.

Such as repealing the NFA.

TheDemonLord

4th July 2023, 07:53

A "well balanced" SCOTUS can always re-define what a "Well Regulated Militia" implies, and requires!

Allow me to talk about the infamous comma.

See, this has long been a point of contention between liberal justices who seek to redefine the constitution (a position I disagree with) and the Originalist/Textualist position (which suffice to say I do agree with).

The comma was argued about at length - it's purpose is to ensure that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is what is to be protected, not the right of the Well regulated militia.

Then, if there's any doubt - we can refer to the Federalist papers to read explicitly what the intent of the founding fathers was when drafting it.

Don't try to play the "observance of precedent" Joker card. Already been Trump'd in the Roe v Wade reversal.

I've said elsewhere - but I'm very much on the RBG train here - Roe was a bad law from the start. The Dobbs decision was, according to the law and the constitution, absolutely correct. Hopefully the SCOTUS can undo just about every act of Judicial activism that has occurred in the last 70 years.

Then, if there are issues that need to be federally protected (like being able to access contraception as an unmarried person) - then, they can actually do things properly and get an amendment to the constitution.

Every Goddam' Bubba with a gun, needs to rock up for weekly militia exercises, to prepare to defend the union from the imminent Xi'na threat!

An amusing thought, but no - the right to self-defense is not predicated on any requirement from the individual (that's why it's a right, not a privilege).

pete376403

4th July 2023, 09:00

Are you trying to say that a Semi-Auto Rifle is not 'Arms'?

If you *really* want to talk about what was absolutely alluded to - An individual had the full right to own every type of Weapon that was available to the Government - which would include Semi-Auto rifles and full autos.

WAS or IS available to the Government (at the time the amendment was written)? If "Was" then yes, you can own a black powder muzzle loader or perhaps a cannon. If "Is", them every individual should have a nuke if they want to.

pritch

4th July 2023, 09:28

WAS or IS available to the Government (at the time the amendment was written)? If "Was" then yes, you can own a black powder muzzle loader or perhaps a cannon. If "Is", them every individual should have a nuke if they want to.

The 2A advocates always overlook the "well regulated militia" part of the amendment. The 2A was never intended to include every mentally ill, knuckle dragging, redneck. Despite the objections of one hereabout it more closely describes the National Guard.

TheDemonLord

4th July 2023, 09:38

WAS or IS available to the Government (at the time the amendment was written)? If "Was" then yes, you can own a black powder muzzle loader or perhaps a cannon. If "Is", them every individual should have a nuke if they want to.

Both.

Now, to be clear - I'm not advocating for everyone having a Nuke if they wanted it.

But I am saying that this would be in-line with 2A, as written.

I've seen some arguments that the projection of strategic power (which is what a Nuclear weapon is) falls outside of 2A - but there is a lot of grey area in that argument.

TheDemonLord

4th July 2023, 09:43

The 2A advocates always overlook the "well regulated militia" part of the amendment.

There's that pesky Comma again....

The 2A was never intended to include every mentally ill, knuckle dragging, redneck.

It meant every able bodied adult.

Despite the objections of one hereabout it more closely describes the National Guard.

No, it doesn't.

And again - I get to point to the repeated SCOTUS rulings on this, the Federalist papers etc.

Like it or not, my interpretation is correct. It's correct because it's also the SCOTUS' interpretation.

The Comma clearly separates the two statements. The right to keep and bear arms belongs to the People, Not the Well Regulated Militia, not the National Guard - The People. The same 'We The People' that the US Constitution references in it's opening statement.

If the US wants to change it's gun laws at the federal level, then it must change 2A - but as per Husa - there's 60+% opposition to this.

Pursang

4th July 2023, 10:44

Hopefully the SCOTUS can undo just about every act of Judicial activism that has occurred in the last 70 years.

That will work well, for the second amendment! Takes things back to US v Miller, 1939

The Supreme Court’s most thorough consideration of the Second Amendment in the twentieth century came in United States v. Miller, a 1939 decision that seemed to tie the Second Amendment right "to keep and bear arms" to militia use. Miller involved a federal statute, the National Firearms Act, which required registration of short-barreled shotguns, among other things. After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Miller Court observed that "[w]ith obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view."The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of "civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion." It was upon this force that the states could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that "comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense," who, "when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."

(https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-3/ALDE_00013263/)

Defense of the State...nothing about the later "Personal Self Defence" interpretations. (A cut-off shotgun is great for personal self defense)

TheDemonLord

4th July 2023, 11:40

That will work well, for the second amendment! Takes things back to US v Miller, 1939

The Supreme Court’s most thorough consideration of the Second Amendment in the twentieth century came in United States v. Miller, a 1939 decision that seemed to tie the Second Amendment right "to keep and bear arms" to militia use. Miller involved a federal statute, the National Firearms Act, which required registration of short-barreled shotguns, among other things. After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Miller Court observed that "[w]ith obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view."The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of "civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion." It was upon this force that the states could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that "comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense," who, "when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."

I consider the NFA to be unconstitutional for reference.

However, what is interesting is you gloss over one of the key aspects of the decision...

"The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia."

Now - to be clear, I disagree with parts of the Miller decision - most notably that short-barrelled shotguns, AKA Trench Brooms were in use by the Military (and still are as breaching shotguns).

However, if you want a strict interpretation of the Miller decision - this line:

"when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."

Means Assault Rifles (actual, select-fire, full-auto Assault Rifles) for everyone. It also means LMGs, Grenade Launchers etc.

So, do you want the Miller decision to be strictly applied?

(https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-3/ALDE_00013263/)

Defense of the State...nothing about the later "Personal Self Defence" interpretations. (A cut-off shotgun is great for personal self defense)

Except we have the Federalist papers.

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defence, which is paramount to all positive forms of government; and which, against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success, than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power became usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions or districts, of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defence. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. "

We also have Magna Carta, cited in the Heller decision:

“The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, re-established by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta!”

Pursang

4th July 2023, 20:38

I consider the NFA to be unconstitutional for reference.

However, what is interesting is you gloss over one of the key aspects of the decision...

"The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia."

....... So, do you want the Miller decision to be strictly applied?

Of course!..That Was my point, apply it strictly to a properly organized, well regulated militia.
Not just every paranoid, delusional, conspiracy proponent.

No more input from me on #2. My wife (US Citizen) and I have no desire to return to the States.
We are sadly watching the disintergration of a former world leading nation now debased by the politics of Fear and Hate!

TheDemonLord

5th July 2023, 08:21

Of course!..That Was my point, apply it strictly to a properly organized, well regulated militia.
Not just every paranoid, delusional, conspiracy proponent.

Read it again.

The decision doesn't apply to a properly organized, well regulated militia.

It applies to the people.

And it says the People need access to "arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time." - so, Machine guns for everyone.

I'm fine with this ;)

No more input from me on #2. My wife (US Citizen) and I have no desire to return to the States.
We are sadly watching the disintergration of a former world leading nation now debased by the politics of Fear and Hate!

That's one view.

My view is that we are starting to see the pendulum swing back the other way and certain people are salty that their usurped institutional power is being taken away. There has been a long march by certain groups that share a common ideology and now that the rest of the people are seeing the results of these ideas, they are opposing it.

pete376403

5th July 2023, 13:07

Read it again.

The decision doesn't apply to a properly organized, well regulated militia.

It applies to the people.

And it says the People need access to "arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time." - so, Machine guns for everyone.

I'm fine with this ;) .

Hard to understand why you still live here and not the US. You hate the NZ government, the economy and its effect of your mortgage, the mostly mainstream acceptance of gay rights and of course the gun laws here. You could move to the US and everything would be fine in your world. Move to the right location and you'd probably get away with shooting gays who had the temerity to knock on your door. The fact that your kids might get killed in a school shooting would have to be an acceptable price to pay for the freedoms you continually espouse.

TheDemonLord

5th July 2023, 13:26

Hard to understand why you still live here and not the US. You hate the NZ government, the economy and its effect of your mortgage, the mostly mainstream acceptance of gay rights and of course the gun laws here. You could move to the US and everything would be fine in your world. Move to the right location and you'd probably get away with shooting gays who had the temerity to knock on your door. The fact that your kids might get killed in a school shooting would have to be an acceptable price to pay for the freedoms you continually espouse.

I don't hate the acceptance of Gay Rights - far from it. Between 2 (or more) consenting adults, I don't give a flying fuck what you get up to. You leave me alone to fuck who and how I want to fuck and I'll leave you alone.

What I object to is pushing radical Gender Ideology as if it's the norm. The statement that a Man, magically becomes a Women on their mere say-so. I object to people who have outright declared their intention to do so pushing Gender and sexuality into arenas it has no place being.

I object to this radical ideology being taught to impressionable children who then grow up confused, opt to mutilate themselves by cutting off bits of themselves and making themselves permanently sterile, only to realize that in 70% of cases, they weren't Trans at all, they were just Autistic and Gay.

Trying to conflate the two is a strawman at best and outright dishonest at worst.

If it weren't for Family (not just the immediate one), I would have moved to the US. I've stated that very plainly. But we don't all live our lives purely for ourselves.

That said, with the rise of ACT, it might (and I'm being an eternal optimist here) bring back a little desperately needed balance and undo some of Labour's more egregious and destructive policies - and then NZ might return to the Paradise it was before Labour fucked it all up. A Paradise, which for the most part, wasn't too bad.

We'll see.

husaberg

5th July 2023, 15:25

TheDemonLord

5th July 2023, 15:58

Nailed it.
He should also be well rewarded over there as a consultant after all he has claimed to know more than the FBI about security and more about the law than both the US Federal and the Supreme Court.
He can spend all his free time playing bang bang on a gun he never needed and have a user pays system of healthcare with crippling non subsided drugs should he ever have an accident or get sick. But it wll be worth it as he will be living under the glory of US constitution he so loves.
Someone should start a give little page to help him migrate.

Or.... I just want NZ to be put back to the way it was before Stalinda and Co fucked it all up.

Oh - and a reminder, that I did in fact know more about Death Stats than the NZ Government.

F5 Dave

5th July 2023, 19:43

husaberg

5th July 2023, 21:32

If only he would just fuck off and stop being a stereotype whinging pom.

Most I know aren't, but some just can't stop themselves being misery guts.

Stop trying to bring everything down TDL (tediously depressing loser?). You drain the oxygen out of every conversation.

A guy i had the misfortune to have worked with once after i like all the others left was finally sacked on account of a gross misconduct (videoed and all)
He later found a job at another local company on some sort of work scheme from whoever did the dole then.
When he applied for another job the potential new employer rung up his then current employer who simply and aptly described him as a "Oxygen thief." hilariously in spite of the very honest and accurate appraisal, he actually still got the new job.

george formby

9th July 2023, 10:30

Couple of quotes from Trumps Iowa rally, via The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-speech-gaffe-communists-markers-b2371812.html).

"Speaking about immigration, Mr Trump was relaying a campaign promise to deny entry to leftist ideologues when he accidentally referred to them as “communists and markers” rather than Marxists."

My fav.

-Seeming to regain his rhythm, the former president then returned to his original point about immigration by saying he would “deny them access to our cunny”.-

Can't have them goddamn markers getting their fingers into our cunny!

R650R

9th July 2023, 13:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro6_o2Fw7hA&pp=ygUcVHJ1bXAgdGFrZXMgcXVlc3Rpb25zIGZvcmJlcw%3D%3 D

husaberg

9th July 2023, 17:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOowX1CKf-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH0DOzBglVg
https://youtu.be/QarbiSzGgAc
https://youtu.be/uwT_E5PyNDM
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/399181-reporters-rip-trump-for-taking-no-questions-after-promising-news-conference/

TheDemonLord

10th July 2023, 09:24

pritch

10th July 2023, 09:35

It should have ended right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

husaberg

10th July 2023, 10:11

https://youtu.be/KSFzgmzkq8w
https://youtu.be/edU4xQLnyUw
https://youtu.be/cmVLyafRlMU

husaberg

10th July 2023, 20:42

sugilite

12th July 2023, 12:57

Never mind the GOP paid the so called whistle blowers from last month, now there is an arrest warrant out for one of the "whistleblowers" for being a Chinese spy! You cannot make this shit up :laugh:
What a bunch of miscreants the gop have turned into under trump. sad.

Comer "credible Witness" :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHyVJwTuqMc

Laava

12th July 2023, 13:17

I'm sure Tdles will be along soon to defer blame to Biden etc etc ad nauseum.

pritch

12th July 2023, 14:12

Literally at the eleventh hour Trump's lawyers filed a motion to indefinitely delay the documents case until after the election. The plan is presumably that Trump having won the election he can then instruct the DoJ to drop the case.

People have been wondering what unusual moves Trump's pet judge Aileen Cannon would make to protect Trump. She is beginning to answer the questions. The case was prosecuted in the southern district of Florida because of "venue". That's where the documents were held illegally. That as opposed to holding the trial in DC, the place the documents were removed from. In the light of that it is interesting that the judge has just moved the trial to a different part of Florida. A part of Florida where the majority of people are Trump voters.

We await the DoJ response to these developments..

pritch

12th July 2023, 14:58

Hot off the press. The Justice Dept has withdrawn its support of Trump in the remaining E Jean Carrol case.

Because Trump was president at the time of the original case he had claimed that if he had committed slander against Ms Carroll it had been in the course of his duties as president. His AG, Bill Barr, had instructed the DoJ to defend the case on that basis. Now that the DoJ has withdrawn, Trump loses any immunity he had as president and the ongoing case is entirely at his expense.

There goes another ten million bucks plus plus...

pete376403

12th July 2023, 16:41

Seems as good a place as any to post this:

Pursang

12th July 2023, 20:17

Seems as good a place as any to post this:

Laughing and Crying at the same time. Funny... but it's True!

(Reputation Star - not permitted But pete, please accept!)

Pursang

12th July 2023, 20:32

There goes another ten million bucks plus plus...

I would be very surprised if PAC donations are not subject to Tax when they are diverted from campaigning costs and are, instead, used for "personal expenses" (such as in Civil court cases, settlements and appeals). (Perhaps I need to ask George Santos how that works)

Hopefully all these transactions are properly declared and submitted to IRS, as required.

pritch

13th July 2023, 18:18

I would be very surprised if PAC donations are not subject to Tax when they are diverted from campaigning costs and are, instead, used for "personal expenses" (such as in Civil court cases, settlements and appeals). (Perhaps I need to ask George Santos how that works)

Hopefully all these transactions are properly declared and submitted to IRS, as required.

The FEC too. The Yanks love three letter alphabet soup agencies.

Pursang

13th July 2023, 21:04

https://media.makeameme.org/created/no-soup-for-5b86a4.jpg

husaberg

13th July 2023, 21:08

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/funny-covfefe-reactions-donald-trump-fb6__700-png.jpghttps://observer.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/05/highyellabella.png?w=635&quality=80&striphttps://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/funny-covfefe-reactions-donald-trump-09-5930179890585__700.gifhttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSp2eXBdm4QAkAI7IqQriCU-wcqskPzhC1a5tQRbiLbWvBDlV-sDAVJr7P81NpBJiV-lMY&usqp=CAU
godwin 2x

Laava

14th July 2023, 19:17

https://youtu.be/DOybo4RswHs
looking forward to the fallout from this… is it too early to say "good fucking job you fat cunt"

sorry I didn't see Pritchs post from “2 days back about the same deal…

pritch

18th July 2023, 09:28

Trump may have let slip some interesting information. In one of his angry "Truths" he bemoaned his current situation but included a comment that Biden had not been charged under the Insurrection Act. That message was taken down and replaced by another which replaced Insurrection Act with Espionage Act.

Somebody commented on Twitter that it was unwise to post on social media with your target letter from The FBI open on the desk.

Whatever, it does seem to raise the possibility that Trump is to face charges under the Insurrection Act. If found guilty he would be banned from running for any public office.

They are being too nice to Trump, he should at least be under house arrest. Reality Winner who leaked one document confirming Russian interference in the 2016 election was locked up immediately there was enough evidence and not released until near the end of her five year sentence. Teixeira the Air Guardsman who leaked secret documents online was arrested by armed presonnel in full tactical kit and taken away in an armoured personnel carrier and remains incarcerated awaiting trial. Trump, who is suspected of far worse, is still free to fly around spreading his dangerous lunacy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-politics/ap-citing-trump-case-pentagon-leak-suspect-teixeira-urges-judge-to-release-him-while-he-awaits-trial/

pritch

19th July 2023, 05:49

It is being reported on Twitter that Trump has indeed received a target letter from the FBI relating to his Jan 6 coup attempt. The charges would be heard in Federal Court in DC.

Update: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/18/donald-trump-target-jan-6-jack-smith/70423895007/

1/32 man

19th July 2023, 08:40

meh, only a letter.
I was hoping he received something like a bullet to the knee or straighjacket or handcuffs or muzzle or a problem with his Adderall supply.

pritch

19th July 2023, 12:51

The first charges have been brought against Trump's fake electors. The first two minutes or so of this is the announcement by the Michigan Attorney General but what follows is also interesting. It shows the fake electors trying to present their forged documents. It's not only dumb kids who film themselves committing crimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjU1LS0bOh4

pritch

28th July 2023, 10:20

husaberg

28th July 2023, 11:34

It has been like waiting for the other shoe to drop but it seems we are getting there. Trump received a "target letter" from the FBI in respect of the insurrection of Jan 6. Target letters are a courtesy, not everybody gets one. The target letter advises the recipient of likely charges and invites them to appear before the Grand Jury. Trump did not avail himself of the opportunity to appear.

Trump's legal team has just met with the Special Counsel. Previously that led to an indictment very shortly thereafter. Here's hoping.

Justice moves very slow for the rich..

Trump hit with new charges in classified documents case, third defendant added...
Donald Trump was hit with new criminal charges in addition to the ones he already faced related to his retaining classified documents at his Florida residence after leaving the White House.
Trump is accused in a new superseding indictment with his valet, Walt Nauta, of an attempt to delete video surveillance footage at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida during the summer of 2022.
A third defendant, Mar-a-Lago maintenance chief Carlos de Oliveira, was added to the case in federal court.
Donald Trump was hit with new criminal charges in addition to the ones he already faced related to his retaining classified documents at his Florida residence after leaving the White House.
Trump is accused in a new superseding indictment with his valet, Walt Nauta, of an attempt to delete video surveillance footage at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida during the summer of 2022.
A third defendant, Mar-a-Lago maintenance chief Carlos de Oliveira, was added to the case in federal court.
The new charges against Trump include an additional count of willful retention of national defense information and two new counts of obstruction against both him and Nauta.

With the new charges, Trump now faces 40 criminal counts in the case, which was first lodged in early June by Department of Justice special counsel Jack Smith.
De Oliveira, 56, was charged Thursday with conspiracy to obstruct justice, altering destroying, mutilating a document, and false statements.

The false statements charge relates to the voluntary interview De Oliveira gave FBI agents in January.

Pursang

29th July 2023, 22:07

The US justice system grinds very slowly.....but it really GRINDS!!

husaberg

31st July 2023, 11:44

In case anyone forgot what a freak show he was.

https://youtu.be/2dX1ILg0Oro

Moscow Mitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLALBP1O5c

pete376403

2nd August 2023, 10:18

Wheels of justice might be turning slowly, but they are turning: Former President Trump has been indicted as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, which culminated in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4129477-trump-indictment-watch-live-updates/

pritch

2nd August 2023, 10:34

The other shoe has dropped. We now await Fani Willis the Fulton County, Georgia, DA, to indict Trump for election interference resulting from his "perfect" phone call. "I just need you to find 11,780 votes."

sugilite

2nd August 2023, 10:43

Yep, this is one of the big ones, and as we have seen in the past, Jack smith will almost certainly roll out an amended charges list. My gut feeling is there will be a lot more charges.
And the last arraignment, Smith intently stared at trump the whole time, and not once did coward trump meet his gaze.

For now, trump will get yet another polling bump among the maga morons. Meatball Ron must be so over this shit helping trump lol
The GOP will keep desperately framing it as a Jack Smith deranged witch hunt against the right, conveniently forgetting Smith has successfully prosecuted high ranking democrats in the past.
And to that end, expect a ramping up of the Hunter Biden rubbish by the GOP. Just yesterday they had the big meeting with hunters business partner. The GOP are trying to suppress the transcripts so they can control the narrative, while the one democrat that was in attendance was calling for the transcript to be released in it's entirety. That alone tells one all they need to know - it was yet another gop fueled nothing burger.

Eventually a lot of these magas are finally going to realize that they in fact do belong to a cult.

The conservative movement in the USA has been completely gutted by trump, and that is actually a shame. A strong conservative right is necessary to ward off the worst leanings of the more extreme left. Unfortunately all we have left is a bunch of trump cock suckers that care not one bit for true conservative values. trump has harmed the movement so much, that many republican state parties are in effect bankrupt, and many of those are in swing states. Oh dear.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-quiet-collapse-of-four-key-state-republican-parties/

pritch

2nd August 2023, 10:48

And to that end, expect a ramping up of the Hunter Biden rubbish by the GOP.

It has already been reported that the MAGA element in Congress had their Trump defence ready. It's " BUT HUNTER BIDEN"!!!

pritch

2nd August 2023, 12:42

"Dances with indictments."

pritch

2nd August 2023, 13:56

Trump lucked out this time. The judge is a black woman appointed by Obama and passed by the Senate 95 to 0.

We await the first hysterical attack 3 2 1...

Afterthought:

This morning I heard some comments about this judge's record. She has consistently been dishing out some of the longest sentences to Jan 6 insurrectionists. Nineteen times she has awarded sentences at, or longer, than what the prosecution asked for. She commented on the irony of the crowd shouting USA USA while they tried to overthrow the lawfully elected government. She has made a number of other similar statements all of which bring me joy.

So Trump has asked Congress to impeach Biden. What for he didn't say. Their hearings, despite all their announcements about whistleblowers who turned out not to be whistle blowers, and smoking guns which weren't, have produced nothing.

Laava

2nd August 2023, 13:59

I see that TiDLes hasnt been on here for a bit, not that I see his posts but I can see how much space it takes up!
maybe he's reskinning his drum!

Berries

2nd August 2023, 15:38

Phnaar phnaar.

husaberg

2nd August 2023, 17:53

Eventually a lot of these magas are finally going to realize that they in fact do belong to a cult.

'It's Easier to Fool People, Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled'

Stylo

2nd August 2023, 19:30

'It's Easier to Fool People, Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled'

And Trump is the master at fooling the people.

The weak minded and, the stupid.

Pursang

2nd August 2023, 20:40

And Trump is the master at fooling the people.

The weak minded and, the stupid.

He makes them feel strong minded and smart!.....

.....Of course, any comparison with Trump makes the most basic people seem strong minded and smart!

husaberg

2nd August 2023, 21:03

https://mediaproxy.snopes.com/width/1200/https://media.snopes.com/2022/06/trump-fox-ukraine-biden-meme.jpg

pritch

2nd August 2023, 21:17

Here we go with the grifting, it didn't take long. I'm reminded of that meme that said, if you're donating money for legal fees to a guy who owns a private jet, you're probably a fucking moron.

Laava

3rd August 2023, 23:45

I dont really know what kind of relief this would bring, honestly…
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/home-living/bathroom/other/listing/4257038417?bof=QmmJWaUV

pritch

4th August 2023, 12:16

Reading the indictment is interesting. It doesn't leave Trump many defence options. It seems the most likely defence will be "Eastman made me do it."

Republicans complain the whole thing is a Democrat stitch up. The evidence though is all from Republicans some of whom adhered to their oath of office rather than Trump's requests.

For me the most impressive quote is from a Republican operative who was complaining about a lack of evidence for Trump's claims. All he had was, "conspiracy shit beamed down from the motor ship."

Co conspirator 1 is Rudy Giuliani
Co conspirator 2 is Eastman who devised the whole plan re fake electors and Pence not certifying the votes.
3 is Sydney Powell the crazy woman
4 is Jeffrey Clark an environmental lawyer or similar appointed by Trump as Acting Attorney General.
5 is Chesebro
6 is uncertain but possibly Epshtyn

OK it's 45 pages but most is double spaced.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2023/08/politics/annotated-text-copy-trump-indictment-dg/

pritch

5th August 2023, 14:17

Interesting. At his most recent hearing the judge gave Trump detailed rules about communicating or attempting to communicate with witnesses. He was warned a breach would result in his being locked up. There are some 86 witnesses in this latest case apparently.

Trump was warned specifically not to communicate, attempt to intimidate, influence, threaten, bribe, or retaliate against any witness. After due consideration Trump has responded by posting the following message on his Troth Senshul. All caps...

"IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!"

Whether or not that resembles an attempt to influence, intimidate, or is a threat to retaliate, is up to the judge. It's way past time somebody gave Trump a serious slap.

Laava

9th August 2023, 20:33

You would be forgiven for watching this and thinking it might be all over for Trump.
he seems to just slip slide around in the bottom of the bowl.

https://youtu.be/u9jGKzky0Jg

sugilite

10th August 2023, 18:27

For sure Laava, though my gut tells me he is finally, finally shit out of luck.
I do wonder if he will still be alive once the court cases are all said and done. He could well slip out the back door of death and avoid the prison time considering the US Justice system makes a glacier look pretty racy.

I thought this was interesting below. Meatball Desantis would also tick all those boxes to be in the fascist club. the GOP could not survive by pushing it's brand of conservatism, so say hellllooooo to fascism to smash and grab their way to power and cling desperately to it no matter the cost. Those that paint themselves as poster boys for conservatism will be in massive denial about this - but for all intents and purposes, the conservative movement in the USA is deader than a dead thing. As in...like.....dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTJNy_OrjE&list=WL&index=2

Pursang

10th August 2023, 23:50

he seems to just slip slide around in the bottom of the bowl.

Jack Smith is pulling the chain. The flushing of Trump is imminent.

It will still take a long time to clean up the GOP, MAGA, SCOTUS and all other the toxic politics, racism, authoritarianism, fear, lies, corruption etc. that Trump's reign encouraged and let out of the box.

sugilite

11th August 2023, 11:26

The prosecution has requested a Jan 2nd 2024 start for the trial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN2sHr68Y50

Happy New Year Trump :banana::clap::woohoo::corn:

Oh, and yeah, Trump the crook sure likes hiring other crooks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a4uDKv6mug

Laava

11th August 2023, 19:40

Bad sportsmanship at best, but nothing surprising here? Trump getting ready to toss his toys again…:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-republican-loyalty-pledge-gop-debate-a3d63a73ef60a2afb1f7aaec68a6d585

pete376403

12th August 2023, 14:04

What has become of our resident trump apologist and constitutional expert? Would like an "informed" opinion on this:

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/

Pursang

12th August 2023, 21:01

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights - Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Not an informed opinion from me...But, it seems that the Disqualification is AUTOMATIC! Congress may only remove the disqualification (disability) with a 2/3 majority, in each house!

Trump has certainly "given comfort" to persons convicted of seditious conspiracy including collaborating in a song with convicted felons and promising them pardons.

Unfortunately the dodgy SCOTUS can probably rule that a seditious conspiracy is not an 'actual' insurrection...but it definitely was a rebellion!.

Need some top US constitutional experts to see if this has wings!

pzkpfw

13th August 2023, 11:50

What has become of our resident trump apologist and constitutional expert? Would like an "informed" opinion on this:
...

The federalists might help. Noted this elsewhere today: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14139877&postcount=430

sugilite

13th August 2023, 16:18

Pursang

13th August 2023, 21:22

Another opinion on Trump and the 14th Amendment, by a couple of Republican lawyers.

Short story...He did it and it applies and just takes an Govt official to apply it.

Longer Story.....Political Dynamite!

Upshot! .....the Trump problem is very hard to solve through the law alone.

https://www.vox.com/23828477/trump-2024-14th-amendment-banned

ellipsis

13th August 2023, 21:59

M.a.g.a. ...

pritch

14th August 2023, 08:41

@Pritch, You were concerned that the gop traitors would be able to get Georgia DA and her cases dismissed. Well they struck out in spectacular form! 9 - NINE! republican appointed supreme court judges swatted it down. So the trump[ lawyers tried one last avenue and th

Thanks for that. I do see Mr Popok but had missed that one and was wondering what was happening with the Georgia politicians. That cheered me up. There could be an indictment this week, said he hopefully.

The comments by the two law professors about Trump being disqualified under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment were interesting but it seems like a long shot.
They are members of the Federalist Society though and that has a lot of pull. I did once hear an interview with a lawyer who said that some of her colleagues who were not notably right wing had joined the society as it could conceivably give their career a boost. It worked for Judge Aileen Cannon ffs. Fourteen days court experience and she's in charge of Trump's document case. For now...

Pursang

14th August 2023, 09:42

M.a.g.a. ...

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys?

Megalomaniac Asshole Gets Analised

Must All Grovel About

Manipulate Another Grievous Attack

Making Americans Get Angry

ellipsis

14th August 2023, 21:55

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys?

Megalomaniac Asshole Gets Analised

Must All Grovel About

Manipulate Another Grievous Attack

Making Americans Get Angry

:baby::sleep::moon::finger::wavey:

pritch

15th August 2023, 13:56

It seems the Georgia Grand Jury has voted. Court is in session. Things have started to move but there is a process to go through. The wait is almost over.

pete376403

15th August 2023, 14:28

It seems the Georgia Grand Jury has voted. Court is in session. Things have started to move but there is a process to go through. The wait is almost over.

Getting closer, but they do like to draw things out - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-fulton-county-georgia-election-investigation/

pritch

15th August 2023, 16:12

That list of names is interesting. All of the names we'd expect to see are included, but there are some new ones I've never heard of. They must be local Georgia people.

People have been working overtime this arrived about midnight US East Coast time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmAx3M0eiL4

pritch

16th August 2023, 09:38

We now know who most of the nineteen accused are.

In addition to the names we already knew there is the strange case of the woman who met with Ruby Freeman in a police station. Ruby Freeman is one of the election workers who was accused of mishandling votes, and of passing USB sticks which were in fact lollies. Subsequently she and her daughter had to move house because of death threats. At the meeting the woman acted as if she was a friend and was advising Freeman that it would be best if she admitted to fraud. That woman is one of the nineteen.

There is a whole group of people we hadn't previously heard of who illegally entered the State election offices and copied the hard drives of the voting machines in their search for evidence of fraud. The charges relating to computer crime result from that event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4zSCCcYFo

Interestingly some of these charges carry a mandatory minimum five years prison.

Jenna Ellis, she of the side eye when Rudy farted next to her in a hearing, posted on Twitter overnight that she is praying to the Lord. Someone responded that praying to the Lord might keep her out of Hell. It won't keep her out of prison.

sugilite

17th August 2023, 11:08

Wow Pritch, what a cesspool of law breaking vipers these republicans have become under trump.

Just today....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/16/george-santos-kevin-mccarthy-aide-impersonated-chief-of-staff

george formby

18th August 2023, 10:35

My word. Things are getting interesting.

Mugshot and prints (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/17/trump-jail-mugshot-georgia)

A fair trial... (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/17/georgia-grand-jurors-information-posted-rightwing-websites)

pritch

18th August 2023, 20:44

Trump says he will use the movie '2000 Mules' as defence in his Georgia trial. That movie was produced by Dinesh D'Souza a Trumpist felon convicted of electoral fraud, subsequently pardoned by Trump. The movie proves nothing except the gullibility of those who would part with good money to see it.

Laava

18th August 2023, 22:55

pritch

19th August 2023, 08:58

Was it any good?

😆😆😆

From memory it cost about US$14 to watch it, so while tempted I resisted and just went by the reviews.

pete376403

19th August 2023, 09:19

Was it any good?

😆😆😆

Wiki doesnt have much good to say about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Mules

Available on torrents if you want to waste the time and bandwidth https://iptorrents.com/torrent.php?id=5361965

pritch

19th August 2023, 14:35

@Pritch, You were concerned that the gop traitors would be able to get Georgia DA and her cases dismissed.

They haven't given up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO436Q6_S18

pritch

23rd August 2023, 12:41

It's possible Trump is playing four dimensional chess. Either that or he really is an idiot. Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, two members of his "elite strike force" that lost sixty odd court cases, are complaining that he will not cover their legal fees. It's not even as if it's his money, he's using one or other of his PACs. Presumably one that is not currently under investigation for fraud. Giuliani has property for sale to raise money to cover some his legal expenses.

These legal actions are expensive. One guy that was involved in a case, as a witness, had to pay $300,000 in legal fees. The likes of Giuliani and Ellis are not witnesses they are defendants. If Trump doesn't make money available they will be under huge pressure to flip and give evidence against him. And Giuliani knows where all the bodies are buried.

I liked Michael Cohens comment. There are three people you don't stiff: your lawyer, your doctor, and your mechanic. Otherwise when you get to the bottom of the hill you may have no brakes.

Afterthought: This is the facility that Trump and his 18 co-defendants have to report to by noon Friday, failing which a warrant for their arrest will be issued at 12.30PM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceV2C5pPjXA

Pursang

24th August 2023, 01:06

"Trump Employee #4" in the documents case (the IT guy) has swapped his Trump supplied attorney for another and immediately let Jack Smith know that his original testimony might have been somewhat 'incorrect'.

The revised information offered will now make him an important witness for the prosecution.:clap:

pritch

24th August 2023, 09:36

It's reported that Rudy Giuliani arrived in Georgia to surrender for his arrest. He claims to be bankrupt and that he is selling property to pay his legal fees, but he arrived in Georgia in a private jet.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/08/23/rudy-giuliani-plane-arrives-georgia-vpx.cnn

onearmedbandit

24th August 2023, 12:20

neels

24th August 2023, 12:56

Who owns the plane?
Owned by Luxury Aircraft Solutions.....probably a long way down a rabbit hole to find the individual people involved.

But clearly not that hard up if he can afford a private charter jet.
353629

onearmedbandit

24th August 2023, 14:00

Owned by Luxury Aircraft Solutions.....probably a long way down a rabbit hole to find the individual people involved.

But clearly not that hard up if he can afford a private charter jet.
353629

Only playing the devil's advocate here but we don't know who paid for it, could be a well-heeled friend for example. I guess it's easier to jump to conclusions though. For the record (before anyone jumps to conclusions...) I think he's a slime-ball based off what I've read and heard of him.

neels

24th August 2023, 15:06

Only playing the devil's advocate here but we don't know who paid for it, could be a well-heeled friend for example. I guess it's easier to jump to conclusions though.
Indeed, or highly possible he has earned a few favours through work he's done in the past, once upon a time he was well respected.

For the record (before anyone jumps to conclusions...) I think he's a slime-ball based off what I've read and heard of him.
It looks very much like a case of needing to be careful in the choices you make, as you will in part be judged by the company you keep.

You're also likely to be judged harshly if you hold a press conference in the gravel car park of a landscaping company.

https://whyy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/fourseasonstotallandscaping-trumpgiuliani-768x432.jpg

pritch

24th August 2023, 15:48

Only playing the devil's advocate here but we don't know who paid for it, could be a well-heeled friend for example. I guess it's easier to jump to conclusions though. For the record (before anyone jumps to conclusions...) I think he's a slime-ball based off what I've read and heard of him.

That is very likely. Apparently Giuliani already owes about a million in legal fees and Trump is refusing to cover his costs. Trump reportedly told a number of people he would support them but it seems the support is not forthcoming. Trump's own mammoth legal fees are still being paid by small donors. Odd for a 'billionaire' but...

Giuliani needs to do some serious thinking as do some of the others. Jenna Ellis has a Go Fund Me type thing going. She is seeking half a million, last I saw she had $5,000 odd. It would seem that Trump is forcing them to go to the DA and seek a deal. They'd best be quick, first to flip gets the best deal.

Stylo

24th August 2023, 19:39

Giuliani needs to do some serious thinking as do some of the others. Jenna Ellis has a Go Fund Me type thing going. She is seeking half a million, last I saw she had $5,000 odd. It would seem that Trump is forcing them to go to the DA and seek a deal. They'd best be quick, first to flip gets the best deal.

I'm wondering.. Where are Eric Trump and Donald Jr when Donald needs them most ?

Very quiet. They used to be his most vocal supporters. Funny.

Laava

24th August 2023, 21:04

And Melanomio? What's she up to?

pete376403

24th August 2023, 21:13

And Melanomio? What's she up to?

Getting as far removed as she can without breaking the terms of the pre-nup. trump wouldn't be concerned -he fancied Ivanka more, anyway

pritch

25th August 2023, 09:09

It seems none of the nineteen defendants in the Georgia case are working together. Trump and a couple of the others are trying to move their cases to a Federal court. Basically that would move the case to another courthouse, not much else would change but they might get a more sympathetic jury. Trump's standard ploy is delay delay delay. Mr Chesebro though has requested an early trial under Georgia's speedy trial laws. Perhaps he was trying to embarrass the DA? If so it didn't work, she has set a trial date for late October, just two months away.

HenryDorsetCase

25th August 2023, 10:50

HenryDorsetCase

25th August 2023, 10:53

That is very likely. Apparently Giuliani already owes about a million in legal fees and Trump is refusing to cover his costs. Trump reportedly told a number of people he would support them but it seems the support is not forthcoming. Trump's own mammoth legal fees are still being paid by small donors. Odd for a 'billionaire' but...

Giuliani needs to do some serious thinking as do some of the others. Jenna Ellis has a Go Fund Me type thing going. She is seeking half a million, last I saw she had $5,000 odd. It would seem that Trump is forcing them to go to the DA and seek a deal. They'd best be quick, first to flip gets the best deal.

$5 says the first to roll is Guiliani. if he gets bail he might have to hitchhike home because the jet might not be available. He might have to do witpro.

He should find a garden centre and have a press conference. That was peak Rudy.

sugilite

25th August 2023, 13:01

And here is his latest mugshot, looking every inch the rico crim that he is.

https://cdn.tickaroo.com/api/mediaproxy/v1/external-image/ThumbnailatorCropResizeCenterFillFilter/w1280dp-h720dp?url=imageservice%3A%2F%2Fmedia%2Forganizati on%2F63c9a9f25d2a2a96383bc60a%2Fliveblog%2FgmUBWbP 94v8J4LwLVVnN%2FemUGuMDx336R2uicAXm7%2FmmUGvC4d336 R2uicAXmA

frogfeaturesFZR

25th August 2023, 18:33

husaberg

25th August 2023, 18:34

Another First for Resident Trump. The first ever mugshot of a ex or current US President

pete376403

25th August 2023, 21:22

https://scontent-akl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/370537585_10211163703443953_5331224250762041076_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Dr_6UFWGlggAX__VzNh&_nc_ht=scontent-akl1-1.xx&oh=00_AfBOm-rXp1SqgZsDqhMmeWddH5AoOw193VKVEr-zvYcnaA&oe=64ED61DF

At the peak of ... derangement indeed

pritch

26th August 2023, 09:13

Trump has posted a tweet (an X?) for the first time since Jan 2021. "Never surrender" quoth he having just surrendered to law enforcement for the fourth time - and counting.

And that motorcade. That's a lot of vehicles for a defendant, his lawyer, and a couple of Secret Service agents. Apparently there was no room for his wife or other family members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaNCBsU33c8

pete376403

26th August 2023, 10:48

pritch

27th August 2023, 09:23

There was a report yesterday that Trump has "sold" Mar A Lago to Junior to stop it being seized as part of a penalty for his crimes if found guilty. This would be considered a fraudulent transaction, but fraud never stopped him before.

R650R

27th August 2023, 10:43

Only playing the devil's advocate here but we don't know who paid for it, could be a well-heeled friend for example. I guess it's easier to jump to conclusions though. For the record (before anyone jumps to conclusions...) I think he's a slime-ball based off what I've read and heard of him.

Some good points there. We forget how things work in bigger countries, it’s prob not that expensive compared to what we would pay here in a smaller market.
A British chap I follow who runs a small to medium size construction outfit recently took private helicopter charter to see some new trucks for sale. His time is valuable and it saved a four hour each way road trip.
Plus it might have been headed that way for a service or another client.
Just like knowing people in trucking you can get things moved free or on the cheap saving $$$$
In HB I’ve certainly noticed an uptick in small private jets and choppers as our population grows and more movers and shakers settle here despite the economic damage our young country is naturally growing fast.

1/32 man

28th August 2023, 08:51

I just wanna hear the door slam on him and that beautiful silence you get when he shuts up.

pritch

29th August 2023, 10:07

Trump said he had never heard on mug shots until he was required to have one. They never taught him about that at Wharton. Evidently they didn't teach him English either.

pete376403

29th August 2023, 10:16

I just wanna hear the door slam on him and that beautiful silence you get when he shuts up.

But he wont shut up

Laava

29th August 2023, 14:02

Hahaha, funny cos it's true!

pritch

29th August 2023, 14:50

This ad is made by Republicans. The party that Trump wants to represent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJfGEIUSwz4

husaberg

29th August 2023, 18:03

Some good points there. We forget how things work in bigger countries, it’s prob not that expensive compared to what we would pay here in a smaller market.

Yet the cost would still work out relative to the non-private options in the same country...
using you own economies of scale explanation...

Pursang

31st August 2023, 00:05

"I THOUGHT...." (A Positional Adjustment)

https://i.redd.it/mxd10myzj8lb1.jpg

You have to really wonder what it will take to snap the deluded idiots from their Trump fetish!

pritch

31st August 2023, 09:00

Rudy Giuliani has had a bad day in the Freeman/Moss trial. He had consistently refused to hand over his financial records to the court offering a whole range of what he must have thought were creative excuses. He also pleaded "no contest" to the charges then went on every talk show that would have him and said he hadn't pleaded guilty. The judge has had enough. She has found him guilty. She is also annoyed that he hasn't paid Freeman/Moss's lawyers expenses as ordered.

The next court date will be around the end of the year when a jury will meet to decide damages. The judge says she will instruct the jury that Giuliani has been trying to deceive the court as to his worth in an attempt to lower any penalty. That alone should put the price up. He really may end up bankrupt.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/judge-finds-giuliani-liable-defamation/675185/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20230830&utm_term=The+Atlantic+Daily

pete376403

4th September 2023, 17:15

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-mug-shot-georgia-t-shirt-cash-grab-rcna102825

trumps mugshot merchandise may be breaching copyright owned by Fulton county sheriffs department.

pritch

5th September 2023, 13:05

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-mug-shot-georgia-t-shirt-cash-grab-rcna102825

trumps mugshot merchandise may be breaching copyright owned by Fulton county sheriffs department.

Yeah I love it. He would have to pay some seven million at the current rate, of course he would appeal the matter as far as is possible.

If his Troth Senshall network doesn't comply with rupcoming egulatory requirements he will have to repay 300 million to investors. There's probably zero chance of him doing that either, so we could be looking at bankruptcy number seven.

Laava

5th September 2023, 16:50

Yeah I love it. He would have to pay some seven million at the current rate, of course he would appeal the matter as far as is possible.

If his Troth Senshall network doesn't comply with rupcoming egulatory requirements he will have to repay 300 million to investors. There's probably zero chance of him doing that either, so we could be looking at bankruptcy number seven.
All of which is a win for him! Yay, go the tards!

sugilite

7th September 2023, 17:59

In other gop-fucktard news, they knew how bad santos was right from the get go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4p0SHAYBfQ

These weekly releases below are often quite funny, this is one of the better ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3QTwEeIVKU

Grumph

9th September 2023, 10:40

An interesting sidelight. In an interview with Trump discussing tariffs, he seems to think Indian motorcycles are made in India. He complains that Harley imports to India are high tariff items but Indians sold in the US are tariff free.

Wonderful grasp of history and economics. Wonder if it'll lose him some of the biker vote.

Berries

9th September 2023, 11:05

I imagine that 99% of Indian motorcycles are built in India.

He won't have a clue that there is actually a brand of the same name.

sugilite

9th September 2023, 12:32

Vivek proves he is a lying piece of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_TDSLjb3kM

What is it about gop presidential nominees just love to have trumps orange nuts on their chin?

Berries

9th September 2023, 13:35

A solution to the Indian problem could be just around the corner - https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300966407/india-or-bharat-the-dinner-invite-that-sparked-frenzied-speculation-of-a-name-change

husaberg

9th September 2023, 21:24

I imagine that 99% of Indian motorcycles are built in India.

He won't have a clue that there is actually a brand of the same name.

Ironically i am Pretty sure all the under 883 harleys are built in India...........or asia

Grumph

10th September 2023, 07:15

Harley build some in Asia and some in South America in order to get favoured nation status for sales in those regions. Pretty sure the HD seen here are all built in Thailand, No idea why HD's are high tariff items in India except it may have been Trump talking about US made versions.They do still build in the US for the home market mainly.

All Indian brand motorcycles are built in the US.

pritch

10th September 2023, 09:26

Ironically i am Pretty sure all the under 883 harleys are built in India...........or asia

The duty on imported bikes in India is huge. Realistically a company wishing to sell in India builds in India, usually in partnership with an Indian company.. KTM, Harley, and now Triumph, all build (or in the case of Harley built?) their smaller models in India.

I believe the little Harleys sold in the US were made in the US. Everybody else got Indian built.

Grumph

10th September 2023, 10:52

How far back are you going with the "little Harleys" ?

The twostrokes and the 250/350 Sprints were Aermacchis made in Italy.

onearmedbandit

10th September 2023, 14:25

The duty on imported bikes in India is huge. Realistically a company wishing to sell in India builds in India, usually in partnership with an Indian company.. KTM, Harley, and now Triumph, all build (or in the case of Harley built?) their smaller models in India.

I believe the little Harleys sold in the US were made in the US. Everybody else got Indian built.

That makes sense why the new Aprilia RS457 is being built in India.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2024-aprilia-rs457/

Laava

10th September 2023, 16:36

How far back are you going with the "little Harleys" ?

The twostrokes and the 250/350 Sprints were Aermacchis made in Italy.

Looks like the new ones are made in china?
https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-preview/2023-harley-davidson-x-350-revealed-for-china.html

pritch

11th September 2023, 10:41

How far back are you going with the "little Harleys" ?

The twostrokes and the 250/350 Sprints were Aermacchis made in Italy.

Not that far, just c2015 and the Street 500.

sugilite

15th September 2023, 15:38

Well, I don't know what will flush tdl out of hiding if a AOC video showing her giving the corrupt supreme court judges a justified kicking doesn't do the job......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1emyzjsym4Q

I remember the days if a video like this was released, it would be front page news for many weeks - now it is just Friday in America.

Laava

15th September 2023, 22:55

sugilite

22nd September 2023, 16:03

Rupert could give Trumpy an "Epstein" send off once he gets to prison!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/300976049/rupert-murdoch-often-wishes-donald-trump-was-dead

Grumph

22nd September 2023, 17:00

Rupert could give Trumpy an "Epstein" send off once he gets to prison!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/300976049/rupert-murdoch-often-wishes-donald-trump-was-dead

I'd doubt if Murdoch has the loyal knights that Henry !! had - "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest" But it would be useful if he had.

I see Comey equated Trump asking for someone to stop his enquiry to Henry !!'s appeal - and took it as a threat. Correctly IMO.

pete376403

22nd September 2023, 17:06

I'd doubt if Murdoch has the loyal knights that Henry !! had - "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest" But it would be useful if he had.

I see Comey equated Trump asking for someone to stop his enquiry to Henry !!'s appeal - and took it as a threat. Correctly IMO.

Surely Murdoch knows people who know people...

pritch

27th September 2023, 08:31

In recent days Trump has said he defeated Obama and Jeb Bush in elections and that Biden was in danger of starting WW2. He also said that he wanted to buy a gun.
If he did, that would be the same crime Hunter Biden has been charged with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwwZ5InWho

sugilite

27th September 2023, 09:32

The GOP are just so fried! They are hurtling towards a shut down, yet all they want to talk about is cutting money for childrens services, health care, assistance programs like head start which are showing a $10 gain for every $1 spent. But outrageous cost over runs at the pentagon gets no attention at all :facepalm:

F5 Dave

27th September 2023, 11:30

You wanted a successful business man?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300978305/donald-trump-fraudulently-inflated-his-wealth-by-billions-judge-rules

pritch

27th September 2023, 14:03

You wanted a successful business man?

The verdict is in - guilty. The pundits say that the Trump Organisation will be out of business. Nobody involved will be permitted to own a business in New York.
The judge will decide the penalties. There is no jury in this case because Trump's genius legal team failed to file the application for a jury trial within the given time frame.

There have been stories that the Trump Org has been moving assets out of New York. There is a court appointed watchdog monitoring all financial transactions though, so that may not work.

Grumph

27th September 2023, 15:46

Doubt if he'd get much of a welcome in Florida either. DeSantis isn't in a mood to be helpful, lol.

sugilite

27th September 2023, 16:34

Letitia James - She be coming for his money

https://www.blackpast.org/wp-content/uploads/New_York_Attorney_General_Letitia_James_Official_p hoto_by_William_Alatriste.jpg

Fani Willis - She be coming for his liberty.

https://msmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/District-Attorney-Fani-Willis-Holds-Trump-Accountable-and-Refuses-to-Back-Down-to-Racist-Trolls.jpg

And they say trump is not popular with black woman. :innocent:

Pursang

28th September 2023, 00:15

And they say trump is not popular with black woman. :innocent:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/JudgeChutkan.jpg

Don't forget Federal Judge Chutkan.... He's been doing a lot of Fucking around, Soon he gets to Find out!!!

sugilite

28th September 2023, 08:54

Great point, my apologies to Judge Chutcan!
Looks like trump has a mean 3some lined up. :shutup:

pritch

4th October 2023, 09:49

Finally! The judge in the New York fraud trial has slapped a gag order on Trump. Trump had posted on Troth Senshal about the Judge's law clerk "palling around with Chuck Schumer", and in the process he named her, included her photo, and her Instagram account details. Trump stated that this was proof that all charges against him should be dismissed immediately - of course.

Trump and his lawyers were instructed to attend the judge in his chambers, following which the offending post was removed and a gag order issued.

Should we run a sweep taking bets on how long it will take him to breach the order? Or give a speech about his First Amendment rights being violated?

Grumph

4th October 2023, 11:47

You would hope someone in the Secret Service has asked for guidance on protocol when Trump gets a week in the slammer for contempt of court.
From published remarks he must be getting bloody close to it now.

Pursang

4th October 2023, 14:08

It is apparently possible for the Republican Congress to nominate and elect Trump as the house speaker.

The Senate and the Executive will be able to prevent Trump 'legislation' getting out of there, but there will be So Many impeachment 'investigations'.

Wait for the Crazy Clown Show!!!

* Edit - Crazier Clown Show!!!!

pritch

4th October 2023, 16:00

It is apparently possible for the Republican Congress to nominate and elect Trump as the house speaker.

True, the Speaker doesn't have to be a member of Congress. The Speaker's main function is to organise votes. If Trump was made Speaker it could put on display just how intellectually limited he is.

Laava

4th October 2023, 17:17

I dont think this photo is a deep fake…

R650R

4th October 2023, 21:24

For your entertainment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuL1dl_melk&pp=ygURZm9yYmVzIG5ld3MgdG9kYXk%3D

Pursang

5th October 2023, 01:09

I dont think this photo is a deep fake…

Finally.... a Gag Order that might do some good!!

pritch

5th October 2023, 07:20

For your entertainment

That was funny. If he actually believed that it must've come as a shock when he found out it was bollox.

pritch

5th October 2023, 14:55

Grumph

5th October 2023, 15:20

Oh dear, shot in the foot by his own lawyers.

Pursang

5th October 2023, 15:57

I have no way of knowing if this is genuine but it looks OK. Trump is whining that his being denied a jury trial in NY is unconstitutional.
Anyhoo, I thought the trial part was over the Trump Org has already been found guilty. The action now is to sort out how much that'll cost him and what other penalties apply. ....

The last thing Trump ever wanted was a Jury of NYC citizens determining 'costs' against him. They have known him forever...and hate his guts!!

That does not stop him from whining to his base about how 'unfair' (political, racist, liberal, elitist, LGBT, etc.) it all is! AND begging them to donate "Even just a dollar"

pzkpfw

5th October 2023, 16:39

I've seen claims that it's so he can call for re-trial based on incompetent representation, or something.

(Delay delay delay)

sugilite

5th October 2023, 16:55

I have no way of knowing if this is genuine but it looks OK. Trump is whining that his being denied a jury trial in NY is unconstitutional.

It is true, fox has not reported it, so his base just see waaaaah, waaaaaah I should have a jury and think he is being hard done by.

The current situation with the pedo gates expel the speaker bullshit is because they all know damn well trump is going to jail. These stunts are just the audition to become maga boss once trump gets to where he so richly belongs.
there was no red wave at the midterms. The independent voters shunned the gop with abandon. And maga has only gone spectacularly downhill from there.

In other gop news, desantis is now polling behind haley in new hampshire - despite fox desperately trying to prop up his campaign saying he won the clown/shit show debate and was now on the rise. Hilarious shit. Note: in January, meatball was number one in new hampshire, even ahead of the convict.

pritch

7th October 2023, 08:25

I've seen claims that it's so he can call for re-trial based on incompetent representation, or something.

(Delay delay delay)

Apparently that's not something that can be appealed. That makes sense because an appeal can't be based on evidence that has already been heard. The appeal should be based on new evidence, or points of law, eg something the judge did wrong. A tick in the wrong box would be a new one. Incompetent representation is apparently not an option in a civil action.

Chris Kise, he who demanded three million up front to work for Trump, is regarded as a serious lawyer. The rest are pretty much a clown show. Trump's plan is probably to appeal everything to the Supreme Court. When that three million runs out though he'll need a good lawyer and he may be short of cash.

pritch

7th October 2023, 08:35

The current situation with the pedo gates expel the speaker bullshit is because they all know damn well trump is going to jail. These stunts are just the audition to become maga boss once trump gets to where he so richly belongs.

Maybe a year ago I read that Gaetz' real interest was Florida. More recently I read that DeSantis is term limited and can't run again for Governor. Gaetz might be burning bridges in Congress but he doesn't give shit. He wants to be Governor of Florida.

pritch

7th October 2023, 10:03

Today brings yet more news of failed Trump legal actions. Trump had taken an action against his former lawyer and "fixer" Michael Cohen for $500,000. Cohen had appeared for his deposition and done whatever else he was required to do. Trump had failed to attend a whole series of appointments and the judge had given him one last date: the ninth of October. Trump's lawyers have advised the court that they are withdrawing the action. Michael Cohen will now be filing for massive sanctions against Trump.

In what commentators thought a bizarre legal move, Trump had filed an action against the judge in his NY civil fraud case. That too is now withdrawn. Suing a judge who is deciding what penalties you will face is not normally considered a wise move.

Alena Hubba one of Trump's legal team in the NY case went on TV and said that day four was a good day for Trump. The judge has already found Trump guilty, that was last week. The case is now about determining what the penalties will be.

sugilite

7th October 2023, 14:31

pritch

9th October 2023, 14:59

In the Georgia electoral fraud case Sydney Powell has accused the prosecutors of corruptly concealing evidence. She was one of Trump's crack legal team along with Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis that lost sixty odd cases. You may recall that it was Ms Powell who was going to release the kraken.

You have to admire her "logic". She claims the prosecutors are withholding evidence. She says she is innocent. The fact that the prosecution has not produced any evidence that she is innocent, proves they are corruptly concealing evidence.

That she is/was a lawyer boggles the mind.

Grumph

9th October 2023, 15:35

A concerning amount of magas still have no idea trump is done and that case has already been ruled as fraud hence the ridiculous sight of seeing trumps lawyer say they have had a great 4th day like they have a say in proceedings :weird:

And as for dropping Cohns case, trump would have us believe he canned it "for now" because he has a rally to organize - convincing only if you are a brain washed maga cultist. :rolleyes:

Cohen says it's dropped because Trump would have to answer questions under oath. Which if he did - rather than plead the 5th - would incriminate him further in the fraud case.
Didn't think it through did he.

Pursang

9th October 2023, 23:47

Cohen says it's dropped because Trump would have to answer questions under oath. Which if he did - rather than plead the 5th - would incriminate him further in the fraud case.
Didn't think it through did he.

Pleading the 5th in a US civil case (rather than criminal) does not forbid 'adverse inferences' i.e. that telling the Truth will actually incriminate you.

This is 'Not Good' for your case, especially if you are the complainant.:laugh:

Source: Thanks to trump, I now have a degree in 'armchair law'!

pritch

10th October 2023, 08:32

Thanks to trump, I now have a degree in 'armchair law'!

Indeed, having been listening to various US legal podcasts since Trump began his run for the presidency, I probably "know" more about US law than NZ law.
Lately rather than podcasts it's Youtube clips.

Having been doing this for six years or thereabout it's amazing at the crap some US lawyers come up with. Legal theories from way out in left field from law professors even. Alan Dershowitz, emeritus professor at Harvard Law, f'instance. He who kept his undies on while getting a massage from one of Epsteins underage girls. Yeah right.

Former professor John Eastman, one of the architects of Trump's coup attempt. Allegedly. With Trump he is one of the accused in the Georgia electoral fraud case.

husaberg

10th October 2023, 17:24

Indeed, having been listening to various US legal podcasts since Trump began his run for the presidency, I probably "know" more about US law than NZ law.
Lately rather than podcasts it's Youtube clips.

Having been doing this for six years or thereabout it's amazing at the crap some US lawyers come up with. Legal theories from way out in left field from law professors even. Alan Dershowitz, emeritus professor at Harvard Law, f'instance. He who kept his undies on while getting a massage from one of Epsteins underage girls. Yeah right.

Former professor John Eastman, one of the architects of Trump's coup attempt. Allegedly. With Trump he is one of the accused in the Georgia electoral fraud case.

https://youtu.be/_GlK8dr6MP0?t=112

R650R

13th October 2023, 09:55

A bit more entertainment and Trump throws Netanyahu under the bus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy8ZtI85N9M&pp=ygUfZm9yYmVzIG5ld3MgdG9kYXkgdHJ1bXAgaXNyYWVsIA% 3D%3D

pritch

13th October 2023, 18:15

A bit more entertainment and Trump throws Netanyahu under the bus

For once Trump is not wrong. In The Hague facing charges of crimes against humanity is where Netanyahu should be. The US will probably prevent that though, and not just because the US is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court.

pritch

17th October 2023, 19:06

US political ads tend to play hardball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjwzT6M73pM

pritch

19th October 2023, 13:14

Trump generally doesn't attract the best lawyers. Not surprising really, most lawyers expect to get paid.

Trump said he was going to appeal his gag order and in fact he has. His lawyer has now received a reply from the court advising him that he is not a member of the bar in that district and he can't practice law there. They also advised him where he could get information as to the documentation and fees required to apply for membership.

That seems a basic error?

Pursang

20th October 2023, 08:59

[B]Former Trump attorney Sidney Powell pleaded guilty Thursday morning in the Georgia election interference case on the eve of her trial.[B]

Let the FLIPPING begin! :msn-wink:

Pursang

21st October 2023, 09:43

Let the FLIPPING begin! :msn-wink:

Ken Cheseboro just plead Guilty and took a plea deal!:niceone:

Pursang

25th October 2023, 09:13

Let the FLIPPING begin! :msn-wink:

Former trump lawyer Jenna Ellis pleads Guilty in Georgia!

pritch

25th October 2023, 10:36

Nineteen defendants was probably too many for one trial and the prosecution would probably prefer to get it all over in one trial. With the flippers it's down to fourteen now. That's still probably a bit high but they're getting there.

pritch

25th October 2023, 11:27

ABC is reporting that Mark Meadows, Trump's Chief of Staff (well, one of them...) has flipped.

pzkpfw

25th October 2023, 11:48

Former Trump attorney Sidney Powell pleaded guilty Thursday morning in the Georgia election interference case on the eve of her trial.

Let the FLIPPING begin! :msn-wink:

And now: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sidney-powell-pushes-claims-that-2020-election-was-rigged-and-prosecutors-extorted-her-after-she-pleaded-guilty-to-election-interference/ar-AA1iMAnY?cvid=ff5d2d03bf094a26912ae32c27793be4&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=4

Sidney Powell pleaded guilty to election interference in Georgia's criminal case last week.

On social media, she has continued to push claims that the 2020 election was rigged and prosecutors target conservatives.

Her organization's newsletter urged her followers to read an article arguing the DA "extorted a guilty plea from Powell."

Hopefully there's a jail cell ready and waiting for her.

Pursang

25th October 2023, 22:04

And now: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sidney-powell-pushes-claims-that-2020-election-was-rigged-and-prosecutors-extorted-her-after-she-pleaded-guilty-to-election-interference/ar-AA1iMAnY?cvid=ff5d2d03bf094a26912ae32c27793be4&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=4
Hopefully there's a jail cell ready and waiting for her.

She got a really Great Deal, silly to put that at risk! (Not impossible with the trumpish mindset)
lPerhaps, like Ceeseburger's lawyer has done, they are trying to downplay the 'FLIP' to reduce the chance of being taken out by MAGAts with assault rifles, before they must testify against defendant trump in court!

Laava

25th October 2023, 22:55

Yep, ol' Trumpie will have a lot of people to dish out pardons to when he gets back into power.
If'n he can remember them.

neels

26th October 2023, 07:45

Watch out donald, they're coming for you.....

https://i.gifer.com/GM3i.gif

pritch

26th October 2023, 12:48

Yep, ol' Trumpie will have a lot of people to dish out pardons to when he gets back into power.
If'n he can remember them.

Dunno how many will have the two million bucks he and Rudy were flogging pardons for previously.

pritch

26th October 2023, 15:03

Ka ching $$$. That'll be another $10,000 fine for attacking the judges law clerk. Just as well Trump's a billionaire...

Grumph

26th October 2023, 18:17

Ka ching $$$. That'll be another $10,000 fine for attacking the judges law clerk. Just as well Trump's a billionaire...

I'd give you good odds on Trump spending a night in jail before this trial is over.

He simply can not resist the urge to escalate everything. From property values to inflammatory comments.

pzkpfw

27th October 2023, 13:37

Macron, nice guy, he’s for France – I’m for us.
You know, you spell us right? You spell us U-S. I just picked that up. Has anyone ever thought of that? A couple of days [ago) I’m reading and it said us. And I said, you know, if you think about it, us equals U-S.
Now if we say something genius, they’ll never say it, you know, we get 25, 30, 40, 50, 80,000, 100,000 people to the speeches. They’ve never said Trump’s a great speaker. I’ve never heard it… I said to my people, do you think they’ll ever acknowledge [it]… I must be doing okay. Except I’m a very handsome person. So I guess a lot of you want… They want to sit look like a beauty pageant. It’s amazing.

How do even stupid people listen to that knob and think he's smart?

Grumph

27th October 2023, 14:29

How do even stupid people listen to that knob and think he's smart?

Simple maths tells us that 50% of the US population are below average intelligence.

husaberg

27th October 2023, 17:21

Simple maths tells us that 50% of the US population are below average intelligence.

They prefer to be called republicans.

pritch

29th October 2023, 09:35

This program could prove to be something of a headline generator - and a source of perjury charges.

pritch

31st October 2023, 14:53

Grumph

31st October 2023, 18:17

This week another Trump trial kicks off in Colorado. This trial involves Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution. Briefly, any office holder who has sworn to "support the Constitution" and thereafter indulges in insurrection will be banned from holding any future public office.

Trump will not appear, his defence so far is that he did not take an oath to support the Constitution. He took an oath to defend it.

The outcome will not affect his ability to run for office in other states, this relates specifically to Colorado. Unless other states initiate their own proceedings?

There are two trials to watch here. Colorado and one other are well funded and not likely to cease until it gets to the Supreme Court.
If it is decided at that level he can't stand then it becomes something applicable to all states.
Until then he can certainly run in the Primaries.

It'd have to be 50/50 as to whether the Republicans would actually nominate him as the Presidential candidate. There's a lot of shuffling going on in the background.

husaberg

9th November 2023, 17:41

I missed this ruling in the civil case prior to the trial starting.

A New York judge ruled on Tuesday that Donald J. Trump persistently committed fraud by inflating the value of his assets, and stripped the former president of control over some of his signature New York properties.

Ms. James has argued that Mr. Trump inflated the value of his properties by as much as $2.2 billion and is seeking a penalty of about $250 million in a trial scheduled to begin as early as Monday.

Justice Engoron wrote that the annual financial statements that Mr. Trump submitted to banks and insurance companies “clearly contain fraudulent valuations that defendants used in business.”

While the trial will determine the size of the penalty, Justice Engoron’s ruling granted one of the biggest punishments Ms. James sought: the cancellation of business certificates that allow some of Mr. Trump’s New York properties to operate, a move that could have major repercussions for the Trump family business.

pritch

10th November 2023, 08:23

I missed this ruling in the civil case prior to the trial starting.

A lot pf people seem to have missed that including Trump and Alena Habba.
Technically that was part of the "trial". It's a civil action there are no guilty or not guilty verdicts. IIRC it's liable or not liable.
Now though it's just about how much it will cost him.

Pursang

10th November 2023, 09:15

A lot pf people seem to have missed that including Trump and Alena Habba..:yes:

Especially Trump and Alena Habba!

Grumph

10th November 2023, 14:50

Kickaha

10th November 2023, 16:23

Bear in mind they're talking to an ignorant audience who will believe anything they say - because much of the media which reports this won't explain why it's wrong. Such is the influence of the right wing media in the US.

I had a minor go at a colossal fucknut who reckoned Trump had the gag order against him to prevent him defending himself, where do they come up with this shit

husaberg

10th November 2023, 18:48

A lot pf people seem to have missed that including Trump and Alena Habba.
Technically that was part of the "trial". It's a civil action there are no guilty or not guilty verdicts. IIRC it's liable or not liable.
Now though it's just about how much it will cost him.

Bad choice of words
It looks like none of the trumps did themselves any favours in their testimony.
Its seems that taking the 5th can be seen as an admission of guilt in a civil case.

Grumph

10th November 2023, 19:28

Which would seem to be why they all failed to remember things rather than decline to answer.

husaberg

10th November 2023, 20:07

Which would seem to be why they all failed to remember things rather than decline to answer.

That would make sense to do that, but trump Junior seemed to say that yeah i did sign these forms saying it was a true statement about the value of the assets but don't you know everyone does that so what.....
Trump just couldn't help himself by keeping on upping the size of his apartment like it wasn't a pivotal part of the case.

sugilite

11th November 2023, 08:38

I had a minor go at a colossal fucknut who reckoned Trump had the gag order against him to prevent him defending himself, where do they come up with this shit

In a right wing media vacuum is where they get it. Right from the outset, trump set this eco system up with his fake news mantra. All these saps look at is fox news, or even right of that like newsmax for their news. Most magas still think this trial is to see if he is guilty, not that he has already been found guilty and this is just to work out damages. They also think trump was denied a jury as fox and newsmax have never explained even once that trumps incompetent lawyer failed to tick the box on the very basic form to request one. This will become the first civil war born of greed for advertising revenue.

Both the left and right media do "forget" to report on news inconvenient to their political ideologies followed. However the right leaning ones would do it twofold over the left leaning media outlets from my basic observations.

pritch

14th November 2023, 20:21

Offered without comment.

Pursang

15th November 2023, 01:33

Tritler or Trumpler?

pritch

16th November 2023, 09:27

Y'all may have seen a clip that is circulating of Jenna Ellis, a former Trump lawyer now facing charges, recounting a discussion in the White House about Trump's plan not to concede and to remain in office. This was from her plea deal discussions with the Justice Dept. There was speculation as to who had released the material. Overnight our time one of the defence lawyers in the Georgia Rico case confessed it was him.

F5 Dave

16th November 2023, 11:46

Laava

16th November 2023, 12:53

If that was actually discussed, that's democracy out the window right there.
Parallels to several current dictators.
You dont say!
https://images.app.goo.gl/iXZQQdxyDHj18XZK7

pritch

17th November 2023, 07:39

If that was actually discussed, that's democracy out the window right there.
Parallels to several current dictators.

This clip has Ms Ellis interspersed with Trump clips. This is from the leaked material. She is speaking during her meeting with the prosecutors to arrange a plea deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyLZV7kgL04

pritch

17th November 2023, 07:52

Doncha just love it!

Giuliani made several trips to Ukraine to dig for dirt on Biden. The US Secretary of State at the time referred to these suspect efforts as "drug deals". Giuliani managed to find several people willing to share information.

Four of those people have now been charged with treason in Ukraine. Allegedly they were Russian military intelligence operatives. It seems Giuliani's "evidence" was Russian misinformation.

pritch

27th November 2023, 12:10

Freudian slip?

In one of his recent rallies Trump brought up the subject of golden showers. As you would... All somewhat salacious, but of particular interest to observers was his mention of four prostitutes. Apparently there has been no mention of any specific number of prostitutes in any material including the original Steele dossier.
Suddenly, out of the blue, Trump mentions four prostitutes.

Interesting.

Pursang

27th November 2023, 16:08

Trump's mind seems to be regressing to the past rather than accept the present or face his future.

Continual references in his speeches/rants to President Obama rather than Biden are an obvious example.

OR....perhaps Putin is putting some pressure on trump to pull his socks up and fulfill previous promises/commitments/financial obligations.
The topic of a video of Hookers and Golden Showers might have arisen!

OR....might just be a nostalgic reminisce of a time when he could do 'whatever' he wanted!

pritch

30th November 2023, 14:25

Trump still doesn't get it. Or it may be that he doesn't just want to get it.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-breaks-court-ruling-moving-232443293.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC1MbplDss6-DU8_F5x3n3iDslCFfgUys1xWp0RUFCq4fNH4mc2hZYzJnn_2L7 EkAjWmJVmeq7jrSMlT_QFNW63IeauRHyMsTowcoyjweiuUoPDv kk48Ovukoes9i7icrVEQKithv1dhWmIt0y1sHfNySLdEvET1NC QY_2tX4Nsy

husaberg

30th November 2023, 18:47

1/32 man

1st December 2023, 09:31

I think Musk has just had a case of that.....explainers explaining "Go fuck yourselves" and what it really means.

pritch

1st December 2023, 11:33

I think Musk has just had a case of that.....explainers explaining "Go fuck yourselves" and what it really means.

He can't really claim it was accidental. He said the advertisers who had withdrawn because of his antisemitic comment could do as you say. He then repeated it just in case anybody missed it the first time. Then he said "GFY". Strike three.

The boy is not well.

F5 Dave

1st December 2023, 11:43

He can't really claim it was accidental. He said the advertisers who had withdrawn because of his antisemitic comment could do as you say. He then repeated it just in case anybody missed it the first time. Then he said "GFY". Strike three.

The boy is not well.

When he bought twit he made a business decision to renege on the rent figuring that legal ramifications and contra negotiations with owners would save him money over paying the agreed rent.

i.e. lying. Put him in the same company as Trumpet. Some call it strong business. Those people would quickly change that to Cheating and Defraud if it were them on the receiving side of the equation.

pritch

13th December 2023, 10:08

Trump's legal expenses are thought to have reached around fifty million dollars, this according to records released by his political action committee. Trump himself isn't picking up the tab. Funds may be running low, here's the latest grift. If you spend nearly $4,700 he'll send you a card and a piece of cloth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTKLQHBHmQE

1/32 man

14th December 2023, 06:53

In all things in life seek balance and harmony......Ommmmmmmmmmmmm.

Less you become an unbalanced and unharmonious prick who has to talk up their own mana like these two (Drumph/Muskox) are doing.

pritch

16th December 2023, 10:17

The jury in Rudy Giuliani's defamation action has returned a verdict on how much his comments re the mother and daughter election workers should cost him. Total damages $148 million!

Giuliani's lawyer was optimistic when he claimed that the two didn't really need a big settlement because they had been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Still, they'd better not spend it yet because it's unlikely he has anything like that much.

Laava

16th December 2023, 14:33

And he will endlessly appeal, drag it out, then claim bankruptcy bla bla bla…

pritch

17th December 2023, 08:20

And he will endlessly appeal, drag it out, then claim bankruptcy bla bla bla…

True, and it's likely he has barely half that sum, but apparently the women can slap liens on his properties. He has released a clip saying Jesus guided his actions, and there I was thinking it was Johnnie Walker was guiding his actions.

Laava

17th December 2023, 18:34

Well it wasn't jonnie walker leaking out from under his toupeē. Maybe it was jesus juice?

pritch

18th December 2023, 12:30

Something I was wondering about during Guliani's case: There are still huge defamation actions coming from Dominion Voting Machines and from Smartmatic as well as an action from Hunter Biden. They will all realise that the cupboard is bare but could still be seeking a retraction as part of a settlement. Although Giuliani did himself no favours by repeating his defamation outside the courthouse while the jury were inside listening to arguments about how big the penalties should be.

If he continues the non compliance that he demonstrated during disclosure in this recent case, jail is not out of the question.