Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[F5 Dave]

Make a'merca great again

[husaberg]

https://pics.me.me/have-no-russian-ties-all-my-ties-are-made-in-40919071.pnghttps://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5fdac9d2313d9f7a2da8ef59b51b492b-lq

[R650R]

I can only presume the excessive Cope is because Biden's approval ratings are in the toilet, the Runaway inflation caused by Biden is starting to impact you and the global supply chain shortage (caused in no small part due to Biden's Vaccine mandates) is stopping you from getting the things you want.

You have to love it though, nothing like that sort of display to show there is nothing to back up their side of the debate.

[TheDemonLord]

You have to love it though, nothing like that sort of display to show there is nothing to back up their side of the debate.

It's the classic 'The Lady doth protest too much'.

The harder Husa cries about how awful Trump (supposedly) was, the more we know how bad Biden actually is.


Also - for bonus Lols:

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/are-trump-2020-banners-made-in-china/

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/09/fact-check-are-maga-hats-made-in-china/113713084/

TL;DR - there may be Trump 2020 flags made in China, but they aren't official merchandise, affiliated with the Trump campaign.

And considering the leanings of 'Fact checker' sites, you can be sure that this isn't a Pro-Trump reading of facts.

Great L Husa, cry more.

[Laava]

Make a'merca great again
Yeah, who fucken cares! What have they ever done for us!

[F5 Dave]

Yeah, who fucken cares! What have they ever done for us!
Well, . . . There was the Aqueducts. :msn-wink:
and it is safer to walk around at night.

[pritch]

And considering the leanings of 'Fact checker' sites, you can be sure that this isn't a Pro-Trump reading of facts.


Therein lies a problem. There are no facts there. The "fact checker" sites just asked the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign was as unlovely a gathering of criminals, conmen, wife beaters* and dead beat dads, as you'd rather not meet. The sort of guys who might slip a girl a drug in her drink. Feel free to fact check all of that.

So the fact checkers can ask them but only the gullible would believe them. Oh, hang on.


* So I'm not sure Pascale actually hit his wife but he allegedly threatened her with a gun so...

[TheDemonLord]

Therein lies a problem. There are no facts there. The "fact checker" sites just asked the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign was as unlovely a gathering of criminals, conmen, wife beaters* and dead beat dads, as you'd rather not meet. The sort of guys who might slip a girl a drug in her drink. Feel free to fact check all of that.

So the fact checkers can ask them but only the gullible would believe them. Oh, hang on.

* So I'm not sure Pascale actually hit his wife but he allegedly threatened her with a gun so...

Now, I get the skepticism. I could very *easily* apply the same skepticism to the original claim - the problem you are left with is that even left-leaning fact checking sites concede that the meme isn't true.

It's the difference between asking a Christian for an opinion on an aspect of Christianity vs asking an Atheist. If even the Atheist agrees with the Christian...

[TheDemonLord]

Well, . . . There was the Aqueducts. :msn-wink:
and it is safer to walk around at night.

Bought Piggies!

[husaberg]

You have to love it though, nothing like that sort of display to show there is nothing to back up their side of the debate.
So which of these statements are not facts.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1011d0d982e9c1822c5d1a65476dc201-lq
go on troll put your money where ya boyfriends mouth was

[husaberg]

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c3eefb28669e2a407b2ff3699fa968bd

[TheDemonLord]

Twaddle

Y'know - One might reason that all the images you are posting stem from some sort of deep seated insecurity.

Especially since Trump isn't the President at the moment.

One might further conjecture that this is Cope on a monumental scale because Trump wasn't actually that bad, whereas Biden is worse than even his detractors thought.

One might even go so far as to say that the multiple posts are a textbook example of 'Confession through Projection'.

[R650R]

Y'know - One might reason that all the images you are posting stem from some sort of deep seated insecurity.

Especially since Trump isn't the President at the moment.

One might further conjecture that this is Cope on a monumental scale because Trump wasn't actually that bad, whereas Biden is worse than even his detractors thought.

One might even go so far as to say that the multiple posts are a textbook example of 'Confession through Projection'.

Must spread rep.... :)

[Berries]

Get a room.

[Laava]

Get a room.
With these guys...
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/blob:https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/64ebfdb3-ffc4-4dd7-9b44-d0c4366bf4f9

[husaberg]

Must spread rep.... :)
Change from your normal misinformation?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/02/11/report-trump-associated-with-461000-deaths-in-2018-others-deserve-blame-though/?sh=5db4b1772a31

Trump’s policies or lack thereof contributed to the deaths of around 461,000 Americans in 2018. In 2019, about 22,000 deaths resulted from Trump’s dismantling of environmental protection measures alone

The Commission determined that 40% of Covid-19-related deaths in the U.S. could have been prevented had the U.S. only had the same Covid-19 death rates as those of other Group of Seven (G7) nations, namely Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, and the United Kingdom.

[1/32 man]

@R650R

Biden is................................................ .................................................. .. a silly old bugger

trump is................................................ ............................................ a fucked up, mean spirited, deluded, greedy, narcissist, liar, etc etc

[R650R]

@R650R

Biden is................................................ .................................................. .. a silly old bugger

trump is................................................ ............................................ a fucked up, mean spirited, deluded, greedy, narcissist, liar, etc etc

I apply all those attribute skills to politicians as a starting point so other than not liking him it’s very hard to come up with real things hes gotten wrong going by by the posts in this thread....

Really I find it hilarious that people are so invested emotionally in running down someone who they say will ever be president anymore pretty much a has been in their eyes.., why do they feel so insecure and threatened by his existence.....

We’ve had some useless politicians here too but immediately they are forgotten about. I think the real problem is Envy. Just like John key he didn’t need the job or the money it was all about maki g the respective nation better.
Both had big business experience about bringing together a deal that works.
The left functions on the us vs them mentality and are threatened by the concept of mutually agreed deals that benefit all.
Blind loyalty is never a good thing...,

[pritch]

I apply all those attribute skills to politicians as a starting point so other than not liking him it’s very hard to come up with real things hes gotten wrong going by by the posts in this thread....

Really I find it hilarious that people are so invested emotionally in running down someone who they say will ever be president anymore pretty much a has been in their eyes.., why do they feel so insecure and threatened by his existence.....

We’ve had some useless politicians here too but immediately they are forgotten about. I think the real problem is Envy. Just like John key he didn’t need the job or the money it was all about maki g the respective nation better.
Both had big business experience about bringing together a deal that works.
The left functions on the us vs them mentality and are threatened by the concept of mutually agreed deals that benefit all.
Blind loyalty is never a good thing...,

You might say something like that if you had been paying zero attention over the last six years or so. Otherwise it's completely delusional. That makes two of you.

[TheDemonLord]

@R650R

Biden is................................................ .................................................. .. a silly old bugger

trump is................................................ ............................................ a fucked up, mean spirited, deluded, greedy, narcissist, liar, etc etc

A Silly old Bugger wouldn't be half as in incompetent as Biden. Just being a Silly old Bugger would be a certified improvement.

[husaberg]

You might say something like that if you had been paying zero attention over the last six years or so. Otherwise it's completely delusional. That makes two of you.
When people are conned like tldr or the pirate troll the last thing they ever want to admit is they were conned. There ego simply can' handle it. That's why they claim to know more than the Judges lawyers and actual experts like the FBI.
They will hold on to any possible glimmer of hope they were not conned or create all sorts of alternative truths and false narratives. All the while whilst ignoring obvious Facts.
They will make all sorts of excuses and minimisation of the conman's actions whilst claiming others have done the same or similar with no ataul evidence.

This over inflated ego combined with a massive overestimation of their own intelligence is why they are a easy mark for a conman in the first place.
i bet neither will still admit that trump lost the election in the first place.

[TheDemonLord]

When people are conned like tldr or the pirate troll the last thing they ever want to admit is they were conned. There ego simply can' handle it. That's why they claim to know more than the Judges lawyers and actual experts like the FBI.
They will hold on to any possible glimmer of hope they were not conned or create all sorts of alternative truths and false narratives. All the while whilst ignoring obvious Facts.
They will make all sorts of excuses and minimisation of the conman's actions whilst claiming others have done the same or similar with no ataul evidence.

This over inflated ego combined with a massive overestimation of their own intelligence is why they are a easy mark for a conman in the first place.
i bet neither will still admit that trump lost the election in the first place.

Okay then, let's talk about being Conned.

Russian Collusion.
Kyle Rittenhouse.
BLM killed less people than the Jan 6th Rights.

Come on Husa, let's see you stump up your admissions, based on your own standards.

But we both know you won't.

As I said earlier - Confession via Projection, Keep on sucking down that Copium.

[F5 Dave]

Time to unsubscribe from this thread I think. Those two are either willfully stupid or actually stupid but it only loses brain cells trying to argue with them. Actually good time to put Rsole666 on ignore as tdl has been for ages.

[husaberg]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/capitol-attack-committee-donald-trump-white-house-stop-biden-win
Messages between Mark Meadows and others suggest the Trump White House coordinated efforts to stop Joe Biden’s certification
The fact that the select committee has messages suggesting the Trump White House directed Republican members of Congress to execute a scheme to stop Biden’s certification is significant as it could give rise to the panel considering referrals for potential crimes
Members and counsel on the select committee are examining in the first instance whether in seeking to stop the certification, Trump and his aides violated the federal law that prohibits obstruction of a congressional proceeding – the joint session on 6 January – the sources said.
The select committee believes, the sources said, that Trump may be culpable for an obstruction charge given he failed for hours to intervene to stop the violence at the Capitol perpetrated by his supporters in his name.
But the select committee is also looking at whether Trump oversaw an unlawful conspiracy that involved coordination between the “political elements” of the White House plan communicated to Republican lawmakers and extremist groups that stormed the Capitol, the sources said.

<section data-content-section="7">Now, as the Jan. 6 committee aims for a series of public hearings in the spring — and even some members of the GOP appear to be open to some aspects of election reform — it’s worth revisiting this legislative avenue, and whether the damning revelations already unearthed by the committee’s investigation have sufficiently changed the political landscape within Congress that passing such a law might now be possible — maybe even preferable.
<aside data-content-child-index="0-9"></aside>There are actually two sections in the 14th amendment that come into play.
The first, Section 3, provides: “No person shall … hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.”


The second relevant part, Section 5, states: “The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” This is important. It gives Congress express constitutional authority to pass legislation implementing a ban on insurrectionists holding office, rather than requiring Congress to fall back on other powers — such as its power over interstate commerce — that are more general and thus less focused on the task at hand. For example, Congress’ power to gather information as part of its legislative efforts is not express but implied in the Constitution, thus opening up for debate the Jan. 6 Committee’s subpoena power. But Section 5 is crystal clear: Congress can pass legislation to keep anyone who engaged in insurrection or rebellion out of public office.
</section>

[pritch]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/capitol-attack-committee-donald-trump-white-house-stop-biden-win
Messages between Mark Meadows and others suggest the Trump White House coordinated efforts to stop Joe Biden’s certification
The fact that the select committee has messages suggesting the Trump White House directed Republican members of Congress to execute a scheme to stop Biden’s certification is significant as it could give rise to the panel considering referrals for potential crimes
Members and counsel on the select committee are examining in the first instance whether in seeking to stop the certification, Trump and his aides violated the federal law that prohibits obstruction of a congressional proceeding – the joint session on 6 January – the sources said.
The select committee believes, the sources said, that Trump may be culpable for an obstruction charge given he failed for hours to intervene to stop the violence at the Capitol perpetrated by his supporters in his name.
But the select committee is also looking at whether Trump oversaw an unlawful conspiracy that involved coordination between the “political elements” of the White House plan communicated to Republican lawmakers and extremist groups that stormed the Capitol, the sources said.

A small point, but one that bothers me. The FBI and other agencies said they were taken by surprise, they had no idea what was to happen. That's just not credible, I knew something big was coming. The RWNJs were loud on social media, Trump was saying,"Be there, it will be wild." The left were telling people to say away as it would be too dangerous to be in DC. All this and the FBI were taken by surprise? Yeah right.

[TheDemonLord]

A small point, but one that bothers me. .... Yeah right.

See, I agree with your assessment - so the next question is:

What do you, Pritch, make of it?

There's a number of lines of conjecture that I think one could extrapolate on, but before I do - what is your thoughts on that?

[husaberg]

A small point, but one that bothers me. The FBI and other agencies said they were taken by surprise, they had no idea what was to happen. That's just not credible, I knew something big was coming. The RWNJs were loud on social media, Trump was saying,"Be there, it will be wild." The left were telling people to say away as it would be too dangerous to be in DC. All this and the FBI were taken by surprise? Yeah right.
https://i.imgflip.com/5a7ljk.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3527934e293d941e03e80eb9520d0a37https://i.imgur.com/JfBIECD.jpg

From what i seen the FBI were told to butt out of it, by the DC officials
TBH the FBI had issued a warning

Tuesday, Jan. 5
The FBI Field Office in Norfolk, Va., issues an explicit warning that extremists have plans for violence the next day, as first reported by the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-intelligence/2021/01/12/30d12748-546b-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html). It releases its advisory report after FBI analysts find a roster of troubling information including specific threats against members of Congress, an exchange of maps of the tunnel system under the Capitol complex and organizational plans like setting up gathering places in Kentucky, Pennsylvania and South Carolina so extremists can meet to convoy to Washington.
FBI Norfolk officials share what they have discovered with counterparts in D.C., the Post reports. The head of the FBI's Washington Field Office, Steven D'Antuono, later says that information is shared with the FBI's "law enforcement partners" through the bureau's Joint Terrorism Task Force. That includes the U.S. Capitol Police, U.S. Park Police, D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) and other agencies.



Also the National guard guess who they at under

Washington, D.C., is known for its multitude of law enforcement agencies — a fact reflected in the agencies involved in security on Jan. 6. The Metropolitan Police Department has jurisdiction on city streets; the U.S. Park Police on the Ellipse, where Trump's rally took place; the U.S. Secret Service in the vicinity of the White House; and the U.S. Capitol Police on the Capitol complex.
And then there is the National Guard. In the 50 states and Puerto Rico, the Guard is under the command of the governor. In Washington, D.C., however, the Guard is under the command of the president (https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/)



but

Capitol Police Chief Sund said in his Feb. 23 testimony that the Jan. 5 Norfolk report was reviewed by a Capitol Police sergeant assigned to a law enforcement joint terrorism task force, who sent it to an official in the Capitol Police intelligence division — but it was not forwarded to Sund. Metropolitan Police Chief Robert Contee said his force also received the report, but that the email did not come with any sort of alert to its importance.

the DC mayor said this

Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser announces that the MPD will be the lead law enforcement agency and will coordinate with the Capitol Police, Park Police and Secret Service. "To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway," Bowser tweets (https://twitter.com/MayorBowser/status/1346530358674792466).

FBi do not control the National guard which is the internal security in case things get out of control


Bowser requests, and receives, a limited force (https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954349992/where-was-the-security-when-a-mob-stormed-the-capitol) from the D.C. National Guard. The soldiers number 340, though they are unarmed and their job is to help with traffic flow — not law enforcement — which is to be handled by D.C. police.

But to be fair to the the FBi or any other agency, who expect the US president to actively encourage a insurrection?
lastly don't fear i am sure as an innocent man Trump and his team will co-operate fully with the investigation.:killingme

I seen this wee gem today it seems Trump on record asking for protection for "his supporters" on this day

Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told a House of Representatives panel that he spoke with Trump on Jan. 3,
President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump's former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.
According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory.
Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."


Trump had fired practically anyone in the FBI that had said stuff he did not like have you ever seen a similar situation in US history.?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/white-house-counsel-s-office-warned-trump-not-fire-chris-n1250956
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/donald-trump-christopher-wray-firing
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/peter-strzok-fired-donald-trump-fbi-219355/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/us/politics/james-comey-fired-fbi.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/15/nation/fbi-official-fired-under-trump-wins-back-his-pension/
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17258230/trump-sessions-fire-fbi-officials-strzok-page-text-messages

[pritch]

What do you, Pritch, make of it?

There's a number of lines of conjecture that I think one could extrapolate on, but before I do - what is your thoughts on that?

Nah. I don't mind a rational discussion but...

[sugilite]

Is that a System issue or a problem with individual Judges?

And here's the Rub - if you can show me a Judge who has routinely shown bias against Defendants of a Certain Ethnicity, I'll be more than happy to join in the calls for them to Resign.



I love how you think there is screes of information I can round up for you on the subject when they are so adept at covering their own arses :lol:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-judges-misconduct/



There's a number of lines of conjecture that I think one could extrapolate on, but before I do - what is your thoughts on that?

Oh, Oh, Oh I know this one! The FBI knew that with Trump being such a good president and a man of the people would never put his supporters and colleagues in danger. They knew Trump would never wind up his supporters to go and march for over an hour and mentioned the word peacefully just one single time. They knew that if any trouble started Trump would be marching right along side them as they knew he would. And if the very responsible president Trump could not make good on his words of marching along side them, he would jump straight onto his powerful social media account and stop any trouble immediately. He would never sit back for 3 hours and enjoy the carnage - would he? HaHAHa, if course he would, because he is the shittest president ever in US history. Biden's just a pretender, he has not got the real chops of Trump to be the shittest.

The irony of it all, is the dems have done such a shit job since gaining power, that they essentially need Trump to run in 24 to have any chance of retaining power :killingme

[TheDemonLord]

I love how you think there is screes of information I can round up for you on the subject when they are so adept at covering their own arses :lol:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-judges-misconduct/

Interesting Article - So my thoughts on it are 2-fold.

Unless I missed it - it appears that all the information that Reuters gathered was from the internal review process(es) to guard against judicial misconduct, which implies that the method for identifying Judges that have strayed is working.

That said, I'm very much of the opinion that Judges should be held to the highest standard, since they Judge the common person, so the slap on the wrists can fuck right off. I'm more from this school of thought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisamnes


Oh, Oh, Oh I know this one! The FBI knew that with Trump being such a good president and a man of the people would never put his supporters and colleagues in danger. They knew Trump would never wind up his supporters to go and march for over an hour and mentioned the word peacefully just one single time. They knew that if any trouble started Trump would be marching right along side them as they knew he would. And if the very responsible president Trump could not make good on his words of marching along side them, he would jump straight onto his powerful social media account and stop any trouble immediately. He would never sit back for 3 hours and enjoy the carnage - would he? HaHAHa, if course he would, because he is the shittest president ever in US history. Biden's just a pretender, he has not got the real chops of Trump to be the shittest.

Certainly amusing


The irony of it all, is the dems have done such a shit job since gaining power, that they essentially need Trump to run in 24 to have any chance of retaining power :killingme

Indeed, Most popular president ever... Highest number of votes ever... Competent and experienced hand to guide the country to unity...

[TheDemonLord]

Nah. I don't mind a rational discussion but...

Well, let's start with the basics.

There's functionally two options:

They Knew about it (and so have lied)
They didn't know about it (and so are incompetent)

You've pretty much stated you don't believe the latter, so if we both agree that they knew about it and are lying, then we have to ask why.

And I suspect that your smart enough to know exactly where that line of conjecture leads and it isn't flattering to your position, which is why you decline.

[sugilite]

Interesting Article - So my thoughts on it are 2-fold.

Unless I missed it - it appears that all the information that Reuters gathered was from the internal review process(es) to guard against judicial misconduct, which implies that the method for identifying Judges that have strayed is working.

That said, I'm very much of the opinion that Judges should be held to the highest standard, since they Judge the common person, so the slap on the wrists can fuck right off. I'm more from this school of thought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisamnes
Oh yes, they have no problem identifying thousands of them, accountability? Non existent = SYSTEM FAILURE



Indeed, Most popular president ever... Highest number of votes ever... Competent and experienced hand to guide the country to unity...
Highest number of votes ever being Biden. Hell I had no idea you held him in such glowing regard ;)

[TheDemonLord]

Oh yes, they have no problem identifying thousands of them, accountability? Non existent = SYSTEM FAILURE

I can't go as far as System Failure. Definitely something that needs to be addressed - no doubt. I look forward to Biden championing this issue....

But sarcastic jabs aside - for me to get to a system failure, I'd need to see that there was a significant proportion of judges that were seriously breaching the rules, specifically at sentencing.

For example, as improper as it is, railing an intern in your chambers is not as grievous a sin (as a Judge) as improperly sentencing someone.

However I'll agree that this raises a serious issue that Judges who misbehave are not subject to the same level of sanctions that they dish out and this is an affront to the moral principle about those who we elect to judge, should have to adhere to the highest of standards.


Highest number of votes ever being Biden. Hell I had no idea you held him in such glowing regard ;)

That's what the numbers (supposedly) say.

For one so *wildly* popular as to be the *most elected person ever* - something, quite simply, does not add up.

[pritch]

I love how you think there is screes of information I can round up for you on the subject when they are so adept at covering their own arses [


Fuck! Did he seriously ask that. If he read news, instead of whatever he reads instead, he'd see it. It's really stark.

A Mexican immigrant voted. She had a green card which made her "legal" and honestly thought that entitled her to vote. But no, she needed to be a citizen. She got four years jail. A white guy voted for Trump and the GOP in his dead mothers name. Deliberate voter fraud. He got four years probation.

A white guy defrauded people of billions. He got three and a half years jail. A black guy stole $100, he got twenty years.

Towns like Ferguson, I use that example because it's extensively documeted, use the courts as a major source of funding. No black person there would own a car, they'd go broke from incessant bullshit traffic violations. The Mayor, the Judge and the Police were working together to fill the coffers.

Judges in the US are often elected. In some states there is no requirement that a judge is a lawyer, or even that they went to university. The educatonal qualification is that they must have graduated high school.

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck! Did he seriously ask that. If he read news, instead of whatever he reads instead, he'd see it. It's really stark.

A Mexican immigrant voted. She had a green card which made her "legal" and honestly thought that entitled her to vote. But no, she needed to be a citizen. She got four years jail. A white guy voted for Trump and the GOP in his dead mothers name. Deliberate voter fraud. He got four years probation.

A white guy defrauded people of billions. He got three and a half years jail. A black guy stole $100, he got twenty years.

Towns like Ferguson, I use that example because it's extensively documeted, use the courts as a major source of funding. No black person there would own a car, they'd go broke from incessant bullshit traffic violations. The Mayor, the Judge and the Police were working together to fill the coffers.

Judges in the US are often elected. In some states there is no requirement that a judge is a lawyer, or even that they went to university. The educatonal qualification is that they must have graduated high school.

So, from a single town, you're extrapolating that the entire country has issues?

And in regards of Ferguson, the resolution came from the DoJ... Under Trump... Seems to me like the Checks and Balances that are there to correct these issues are working (maybe not promptly enough)

[pritch]

They Knew about it (and so have lied)
They didn't know about it (and so are incompetent)


That's too simple. The FBI issued a statement saying they were unaware of the preparations for Jan 6th. However it was worded. We may know the truth one day, but not while Christopher Wray is FBI Director.

I've read both books by former FBI heads James Comey and Andrew McCabe. (The latter is the better read.) The FBI's reputation was not great for a number of reasons, ironically it was Trump's treatment of Comey and McCabe that garnered a degree of public sympathy for the FBI.

Actually Trump's methodology in these firings was typical of his small minded nastiness. He fired Comey while Comey was in California. Trump was presumably giggling to himself about Comey having to find his way back to DC at his own expense. The FBI Director does not travel alone, he has a staff and a security team, and they all fly in an FBI jet. Trump was rpeortedly enraged when he found out that Comey flew home in the FBI jet.

He fired Andrew McCabe a matter of hours before he was due to retire at the end of his twenty years so that McCabe's pension would be reduced dramatically. McCabe took legal action against the Justice Dapartment and won back his full pension.

Both Comey and McCabe were fired because they would not swear loyalty to Trump personally. Wray was appointed by Trump and kept his job, so I have to believe he did kiss the ring. The FBI Director is not supposed to be a political appointment, but under Trump it absolutely was. Biden may be making a mistake by leaving Wray in the job. Biden is presumably trying to return the FBI to traditional methods of operation, but it might have been better to request Wray's resignation first.

[pritch]

So, from a single town, you're extrapolating that the entire country has issues?


It's not a single town, there are others similar. The issues vary but yes, the whole country has issues. Just because you are blissfully unaware of them doesn't mean the problems don't exist. Basically the whole US judicial system is rotten from the top down now that the Supreme Court has been corrupted.

[TheDemonLord]

That's too simple. The FBI issued a statement saying they were unaware of the preparations for Jan 6th. However it was worded. We may know the truth one day, but not while Christopher Wray is FBI Director.

Agreed that it's simplified - but it does represent the Binary choice - they either knew or they didn't.

Both of us suspect that they knew but are opting to say otherwise.


I've read both books by former FBI heads James Comey and Andrew McCabe. (The latter is the better read.) The FBI's reputation was not great for a number of reasons, ironically it was Trump's treatment of Comey and McCabe that garnered a degree of public sympathy for the FBI.

Before we proceed - why was the FBIs reputation in the toilet? I'm gonna start with the obvious - that before Trump - the FBI has had a history of acting politically, all the way back to it's foundation and Mr Hoover keeping files on everyone.

There was a video (that has since been yeeted from Youtube, funny that...) of one of the FBI people getting grilled over a series of Text Messages he sent about Trump, Text messages that seriously called into question his ability to be impartial. IIRC, you took the position that it didn't prove bias.

Other opinions on the dislike of the FBI range from - Far too cozy with other Government Agencies, Various Scandals, their original purpose (tackling prohibition gangs) is out of date etc.

Point is - The following criticisms that you are going to level at the FBI - existed in one form or another well before Trump (and likely well after).


Both Comey and McCabe were fired because they would not swear loyalty to Trump personally. Wray was appointed by Trump and kept his job, so I have to believe he did kiss the ring. The FBI Director is not supposed to be a political appointment, but under Trump it absolutely was. Biden may be making a mistake by leaving Wray in the job. Biden is presumably trying to return the FBI to traditional methods of operation, but it might have been better to request Wray's resignation first.

Again, I have to point out that the FBI has been acting politically for quite some time. Putting this all at the feet of Trump is both historically absurd, but more importantly - it dodges what sparked this discussion:

What motive would the FBI have to deny that they knew about it?

If you assume that the entire FBI are Right-Wing Extremists (as you semi-infer) then clearly the only answer is because they wanted it to succeed.
If you assume the inverse (which given some of the evidence we did have, seems more likely) then the answer is because they wanted it to happen.

[TheDemonLord]

It's not a single town, there are others similar. The issues vary but yes, the whole country has issues. Just because you are blissfully unaware of them doesn't mean the problems don't exist. Basically the whole US judicial system is rotten from the top down now that the Supreme Court has been corrupted.

I don't doubt that there are other individual towns, which have individual issues.

The claim, however, is a Systemic one. And for that, the Evidence is weak.

Firstly, in both the examples provided, there is one hurdle which the Systemic claim fails at: That all the instances where identified and corrected by the internal checks and balances.

If the Checks and Balances are identifying a problem and correcting it, then there is (by definition) not a systemic issue.

Secondly, The Evidence is almost always compared against some hypothetical - for example, the high rates of Incarceration of Black People - the Claim is that in a perfect society, rates of offending would perfectly align with the ratios of groups within society. That makes a number of assumptions, most notable that in a perfectly free system, all people would make the same choice(s) - a notion that is not only absurd on it's face value, but furthermore is actually disproved by real-world data. In addition, such claims ignore contradicting evidence - as an example, earlier I pointed to the massive over representation of African Americans in the Murder stats (both as perpetrator and Victim). Before we can assert that it's the system that is biased, we have to account for that data point.

Thirdly, the theory of Systemic oppression is based on a load of Marxist Waffle - I know you'll ignore this part, but it bears repeating - The philosophical lineage of these concepts can be traced back to Marx, they are not ideas that were statistically derived, but merely tools conjured up to try and usher in the Glorious Revolution.

And as if I've not proved this umpteen times - the person to first come up with the idea of 'Institutional Racism' - one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael - and surprise surprise he wanted 'Revolutionary Socialism' - and a quick bonus point - he was quite fond of Hitler... Calling him a Genius multiple times...

Let's further add in the statements of one of Stokely's contemporaries in the Black Power Movement (y'know, that thing, with the Marxist Fist - which BLM took heavy inspiration from) - one Bobby Seale:


In our view it is a class struggle between the massive proletarian working class and the small, minority ruling class. Working-class people of all colors must unite against the exploitative, oppressive ruling class. So let me emphasize again—we believe our fight is a class struggle and not a race struggle.

Class Struggle?
Proletariate?
Workers of the world Unite?

Sound familiar at all?

[husaberg]

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[pritch]

Agreed that it's simplified - but it does represent the Binary choice - they either knew or they didn't.

Both of us suspect that they knew but are opting to say otherwise.



Before we proceed - why was the FBIs reputation in the toilet? I'm gonna start with the obvious - that before Trump - the FBI has had a history of acting politically, all the way back to it's foundation and Mr Hoover keeping files on everyone.

There was a video (that has since been yeeted from Youtube, funny that...) of one of the FBI people getting grilled over a series of Text Messages he sent about Trump, Text messages that seriously called into question his ability to be impartial. IIRC, you took the position that it didn't prove bias.

Other opinions on the dislike of the FBI range from - Far too cozy with other Government Agencies, Various Scandals, their original purpose (tackling prohibition gangs) is out of date etc.

Point is - The following criticisms that you are going to level at the FBI - existed in one form or another well before Trump (and likely well after).



Again, I have to point out that the FBI has been acting politically for quite some time. Putting this all at the feet of Trump is both historically absurd, but more importantly - it dodges what sparked this discussion:

What motive would the FBI have to deny that they knew about it?

If you assume that the entire FBI are Right-Wing Extremists (as you semi-infer) then clearly the only answer is because they wanted it to succeed.
If you assume the inverse (which given some of the evidence we did have, seems more likely) then the answer is because they wanted it to happen.

What a load of bollocks. I'm not going to disect that, the level of delusion is just too high. You live in a weird fantasy world and you're welcome to it, but I'm not going to join you there.

[TheDemonLord]

What a load of bollocks. I'm not going to disect that, the level of delusion is just too high. You live in a weird fantasy world and you're welcome to it, but I'm not going to join you there.

Ah yes, when I'm mostly agreeing with you - it's a load of Bollocks...

The only part that I disagree with you, is that many of the issues you raised, existed before Trump (and will exist after).

[husaberg]

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[husaberg]

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[1/32 man]

Nice one Husaberg.....

I likee and agreee

[husaberg]

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[husaberg]

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[TheDemonLord]

The more Cope you post, the more you reveal the absolute failure that is Biden.

[husaberg]

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[R650R]

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[husaberg]

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[pritch]

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[husaberg]

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[sugilite]

If course he did. He just carried his questionable business practices over to his ill fated presidency :lol:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300511945/he-never-stopped-ripping-things-up-inside-donald-trumps-document-destruction

[husaberg]

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[husaberg]

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[Stylo]

If course he did. He just carried his questionable business practices over to his ill fated presidency :lol:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300511945/he-never-stopped-ripping-things-up-inside-donald-trumps-document-destruction

A lot of his supporters are sitting outside the Beehive as I tap this out.

What are the army doing tonight ? This reeks of the Jan 6 insurrection. Just saying..

[sugilite]

Alas, for them they do not have any RWNJ representatives like Taylor green, Matt gaetes or even a trump to represent their views in nz :lol:
They need a leader like TDL to step up and fight like they never fought before, it will be the biggest most beautiful protest then!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127725802/covid19-the-protest-that-mps-deliberately-ignored

[TheDemonLord]

Alas, for them they do not have any RWNJ representatives like Taylor green, Matt gaetes or even a trump to represent their views in nz :lol:
They need a leader like TDL to step up and fight like they never fought before, it will be the biggest most beautiful protest then!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127725802/covid19-the-protest-that-mps-deliberately-ignored

Awww, I'm flattered in your faith in me.

I'm far too cantankerous and argumentative to be a Democratic Leader.

Absolute Dictator on the other hand....

[husaberg]

Alas, for them they do not have any RWNJ representatives like Taylor green, Matt gaetes or even a trump to represent their views in nz :lol:
They need a leader like TDL to step up and fight like they never fought before, it will be the biggest most beautiful protest then!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127725802/covid19-the-protest-that-mps-deliberately-ignored

If only multi quotes were actual votes......

[husaberg]

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[sugilite]

Well, something to look forward to is Trumps new Social Media platform "Truth Social".
Trumpeting Trump says it will be free of big tech interference and free speech will be respected and encouraged, well free speech as it is not criticizing Trump :lol:

Erm, one small problem for turd social, is it is in fact an app that will need to be distributed via, drum roll please - Big tech in the form of the Apple store and Google play. I predict it will take mere days or weeks for turd social to break the app stores terms and conditions and be yanked. Oh dear, that fucks apple users right off the bat and only semi savvy android users that know how to side load apps will be able to get it. Naturally this will VASTLY reduce subscription numbers. So my prediction - Turd Social will be dead on arrival, if it ever arrives in the first place :laugh:.
Not to worry, Trump has vast experience with losing :woohoo:

[TheDemonLord]

Well, something to look forward to is Trumps new Social Media platform "Truth Social".
Trumpeting Trump says it will be free of big tech interference and free speech will be respected and encouraged, well free speech as it is not criticizing Trump :lol:

Erm, one small problem for turd social, is it is in fact an app that will need to be distributed via, drum roll please - Big tech in the form of the Apple store and Google play. I predict it will take mere days or weeks for turd social to break the app stores terms and conditions and be yanked. Oh dear, that fucks apple users right off the bat and only semi savvy android users that know how to side load apps will be able to get it. Naturally this will VASTLY reduce subscription numbers. So my prediction - Turd Social will be dead on arrival, if it ever arrives in the first place :laugh:.
Not to worry, Trump has vast experience with losing :woohoo:

I dunno, Parler and Gettr are still on there.

It will be interesting to see what happens - the key will be whether or not Trump can get any high-profile users (other than himself) to join.

[pritch]

Well, something to look forward to is Trumps new Social Media platform "Truth Social".
Trumpeting Trump says it will be free of big tech interference and free speech will be respected and encouraged, well free speech as it is not criticizing Trump :lol:

Erm, one small problem for turd social, is it is in fact an app that will need to be distributed via, drum roll please - Big tech in the form of the Apple store and Google play. I predict it will take mere days or weeks for turd social to break the app stores terms and conditions and be yanked. Oh dear, that fucks apple users right off the bat and only semi savvy android users that know how to side load apps will be able to get it. Naturally this will VASTLY reduce subscription numbers. So my prediction - Turd Social will be dead on arrival, if it ever arrives in the first place :laugh:.
Not to worry, Trump has vast experience with losing :woohoo:

Was watching a discussion about this on the Interweb thingy. Nunes is the former Congressman who used to run to Trump with reports after Congressional committee meetings. He is from a Californian farming district, his bio stated he was a farmer - but he had no farm. He also tried unsuccessfully to sue an imaginary cow and his "mother", among others. So Trump made Nunes CEO of Truth.

The trial launch was typically a fuckup. Trolls got on and registered all the obvious names like Trump, Pence, McConnell and Nunes etc. The people responsible hadn't bothered to do that before it went on line. The share price has taken a hit following the latest announcement that the launch has again been delayed. This time until 30th March. Ist of April might have been more appropriate but...

Most MAGAts that sign up will value the "free speech" aspect. If it's going to be on the App Store though it needs to be moderated, and that will limit the freedom to spread hate speech. That's bound ot lead to yet more disappointment. But hey! It's a Trump business, what could possibly go wrong?

[husaberg]

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[sugilite]

I dunno, Parler and Gettr are still on there.


They are still there because Trump is not in charge grindr'ng them into the ground. Turd social on the other hand......


Was watching a discussion about this on the Interweb thingy. Nunes is the former Congressman who used to run to Trump with reports after Congressional committee meetings. He is from a Californian farming district, his bio stated he was a farmer - but he had no farm. He also tried unsuccessfully to sue an imaginary cow and his "mother", among others. So Trump made Nunes CEO of Truth.

The trial launch was typically a fuckup. Trolls got on and registered all the obvious names like Trump, Pence, McConnell and Nunes etc. The people responsible hadn't bothered to do that before it went on line. The share price has taken a hit following the latest announcement that the launch has again been delayed. This time until 30th March. Ist of April might have been more appropriate but...

Most MAGAts that sign up will value the "free speech" aspect. If it's going to be on the App Store though it needs to be moderated, and that will limit the freedom to spread hate speech. That's bound ot lead to yet more disappointment. But hey! It's a Trump business, what could possibly go wrong?
Lets not forget that turd social took open source software to use as it's background and immediately (and I mean immediately) started to violate the license stipulations.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/trumps-truth-social-beta-site-violates-open-source-license/

what else could possibly go wrong - well with Trump in charge, everything :laugh:

[husaberg]

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[TheDemonLord]

If it's going to be on the App Store though it needs to be moderated, and that will limit the freedom to spread hate speech. That's bound ot lead to yet more disappointment. But hey! It's a Trump business, what could possibly go wrong?

Moderated in terms of removing Illegal content and outright Abuse is sufficient.

From my perspective, so long as the moderation is consistent, then it's fine. The objections come when the sword of Moderation only cuts in a single direction.

[TheDemonLord]

They are still there because Trump is not in charge grindr'ng them into the ground. Turd social on the other hand......

Both of them are ostensibly 'Free Speech' platforms, with very little in terms of moderation on political content (I think both censor Adult Content, which people have criticised as being against their stated aims of being 'Free Speech' - but both gave their reasons)

[FJRider]

Both of them are ostensibly 'Free Speech' platforms, with very little in terms of moderation on political content (I think both censor Adult Content, which people have criticised as being against their stated aims of being 'Free Speech' - but both gave their reasons)

Free speech is the ability to say what you want and nobody is offended by it ... :shifty:

[sugilite]

Both of them are ostensibly 'Free Speech' platforms, with very little in terms of moderation on political content (I think both censor Adult Content, which people have criticised as being against their stated aims of being 'Free Speech' - but both gave their reasons)

You are completely missing my point. Truth Social will fail because....Trump. Mark my words, he will find a variety of ways to fuck it.

[TheDemonLord]

You are completely missing my point. Truth Social will fail because....Trump. Mark my words, he will find a variety of ways to fuck it.

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe I'll get an account just to prove you wrong or maybe my aversion to Social Media will continue and I won't...

Who knows?

[husaberg]

If course he did. He just carried his questionable business practices over to his ill fated presidency :lol:
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[pritch]

Trump's previous book is already in the bargain bin and this latest will follow it in record time no doubt. This effort raises a question though, has anybody else ever had so many books published in their name without ever writing one?

The latest effort is a collection of Trump speeches. All held in the official record at the tax payers' expense. Presumably heavily edited to remove gems like the revolutionary army taking the airports and ramming the ramparts.

His first effort as TFG was a book of photographs taken by the official government photographer at the tax payers' expense.

Anything previously published in his name was written by a ghost writer. One publisher, when asked how much Trump had written replied, "He didn't even write us a Christmas card."

A grifter's gonna grift but what fucking idiot would actually pay for any of his crap?

[TheDemonLord]

Trump's previous book is already in the bargain bin and this latest will follow it in record time no doubt. This effort raises a question though, has anybody else ever had so many books published in their name without ever writing one?

The latest effort is a collection of Trump speeches. All held in the official record at the tax payers' expense. Presumably heavily edited to remove gems like the revolutionary army taking the airports and ramming the ramparts.

His first effort as TFG was a book of photographs taken by the official government photographer at the tax payers' expense.

Anything previously published in his name was written by a ghost writer. One publisher, when asked how much Trump had written replied, "He didn't even write us a Christmas card."

A grifter's gonna grift but what fucking idiot would actually pay for any of his crap?

I mean... that describes probably about 90% of Politicians books...

[pritch]

Melanie Trump must be the only member of the crime family permitted to be involved with a charity. She is advertising a charity event to raise money, a portion of which, will go to a couple of worthy sounding children's charities.

A slight problem, when journalists checked with the Florida state body that controls charities it seems neither charity actually exists. Also Melanie is less than forthcoming about what happens to the cash raised apart from the portion which goes to the two non-existent charities.

Grifters gonna grift.

[TheDemonLord]

Melanie Trump must be the only member of the crime family permitted to be involved with a charity. She is advertising a charity event to raise money, a portion of which, will go to a couple of worthy sounding children's charities.

A slight problem, when journalists checked with the Florida state body that controls charities it seems neither charity actually exists. Also Melanie is less than forthcoming about what happens to the cash raised apart from the portion which goes to the two non-existent charities.

Grifters gonna grift.

If you want to talk about Charities and questionable activities, we can always bring up BLM...

[F5 Dave]

I can't see what tdl reply is, but I imagine it is something like this.

Well I've bought the book and drank the cool-aid and you have to admire how successful he is at making deals because he says he is and I have a chubby for him.

Also look over there, a Democrat got a parking ticket, BLM and Snoopy was a misogynist.

[pritch]

Well I've bought the book and drank the cool-aid and you have to admire how successful he is at making deals because he says he is and I have a chubby for him.



Interesting news today. The New York Attorney General has filed court papers with respect to Donald J Trump, 45th President of the United Staes of America. The papers include a letter from Mazars, Trumps accounting firm, stating that a decade worth of Trump's financial information cannot be relied upon.

I'm not up with the subtleties, but I guess that's Mazars covering their arse so they don't get charged with conspiracy to defraud or similar.

[pritch]

If you want to talk about Charities and questionable activities, we can always bring up BLM...

You could, but it would be irrelevant. Is BLM a charity or a non-profit? Big difference. You probably still haven't got past thinking BLM was a Marxist lesbian plot.

Trump's own charity was shut down for acting illegally. Eric allegedly stole from a charity for blind kids. Trump's spawn were forbidden by the court to be involved with a charity until they had undertaken training. Only the best people...

[pritch]

Random afterthought. Funny how we've gone from Trump funding his own campaign, to the Republican Party funding his multiple legal defences.

[husaberg]

Trump's previous book is already in the bargain bin and this latest will follow it in record time no doubt. This effort raises a question though, has anybody else ever had so many books published in their name without ever writing one?



God or Jesus....springs to mind........

[TheDemonLord]

You could, but it would be irrelevant. Is BLM a charity or a non-profit? Big difference. You probably still haven't got past thinking BLM was a Marxist lesbian plot.

I never said Lesbian, but the evidence is crystal clear that BLM is Marxist to the core. From the founders saying it is, to the symbol being the marxist fist, to the philosophical traditions it follows, all the way to the leaders stealing all the money and living in luxury like every African Marxist Kleptocracy. Marxist from start to finish.

And the best bit is, I don't even need to infer the Marxism - they outright state it, yet still you refuse to acknowledge this fact.

A Non-profit or Charity is also irrelevent.

The bit I find interesting is that California (that most Left-wing of Left-wing states) has told BLM it needs to account for $60 million or risk further action. So it's not like you can hand-waive that away as being the work of the eeeeevil republicans...

The whole thing has been a giant rort.


Trump's own charity was shut down for acting illegally. Eric allegedly stole from a charity for blind kids. Trump's spawn were forbidden by the court to be involved with a charity until they had undertaken training. Only the best people...

So, I'm *certain* that the alleged claim won't be... trumped up... (sorry, couldn't resist) but seeing as we are talking about dubious Charity activity - what about Lisa Simpson? Her son was killed by Police - BLM showed up, invoking her Sons name to drive donations etc. She never saw a Dime to help her, either with burying her Son or the grief she has suffered. Talk about Standing on the Graves of Children.

[F5 Dave]

You could, but it would be irrelevant. Is BLM a charity or a non-profit? Big difference. You probably still haven't got past thinking BLM was a Marxist lesbian plot.

Trump's own charity was shut down for acting illegally. Eric allegedly stole from a charity for blind kids. Trump's spawn were forbidden by the court to be involved with a charity until they had undertaken training. Only the best people...

Haha fuk me, TDL did employ look over there BLM did he?

Jeez so predictable. So lame.

[TheDemonLord]

Haha fuk me, TDL did employ look over there BLM did he?

Jeez so predictable. So lame.

The funny thing is, the amount of shit that Biden and Co get up to, that I let slide because I think it's stupid when it was done to Trump and therefore stupid when done to Biden is Massive.

BLM on the other hand, when they are the gift that keeps on giving (well, unless you are a Black American, then it's taking - 4 mansions and counting...)

[pete376403]

The funny thing is, the amount of shit that Biden and Co get up to, that I let slide because I think it's stupid when it was done to Trump and therefore stupid when done to Biden is Massive.

BLM on the other hand, when they are the gift that keeps on giving (well, unless you are a Black American, then it's taking - 4 mansions and counting...)

You referring to this? I thought you only dealt in facts.

"our research revealed no evidence that Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation funds were used to purchase property."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/19/fact-check-misleading-claim-blm-co-founders-real-estate/7241450002/

[TheDemonLord]

You referring to this? I thought you only dealt in facts.

"our research revealed no evidence that Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation funds were used to purchase property."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/19/fact-check-misleading-claim-blm-co-founders-real-estate/7241450002/

Let's first put forward the empirical claim:

Someone who was not a Property owner, did not come from wealth, did not have a job, did not win the Lottery - in short did not have means starts a charity and *miraculously* suddenly acquires a Housing portfolio worth Millions.

From whence did the Capital to become a Property Magnate come from?

But that article was from last year, and unfortunately, new info has come to light.

It seems that here's how the Scam works:

Step 1: Collect donations for BLM (all above board)
Step 2: Use BLM donations to pay for 'consultancy' and 'art services' which just so happen to be to people close to the BLM Leadership or owned by the BLM Leadership. Consulting and Art being two services that are very difficult to quantify the value of, so large sums can be paid without it being odd.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit (or in this case - become a Property Tycoon like every Kleptocratic African Marxist)
Step 5: Step down from Leadership as you've made you money from your obvious rort.

And then you add in the various Black Communities (and especially Black Mothers) who curiously say the same thing:

- We had a Tragedy
- BLM showed up to collect Donations
- We haven't heard from them since nor have we received a dime

[pete376403]

Let's first put forward the empirical claim:

Someone who was not a Property owner, did not come from wealth, did not have a job, did not win the Lottery - in short did not have means starts a charity and *miraculously* suddenly acquires a Housing portfolio worth Millions.

From whence did the Capital to become a Property Magnate come from?

But that article was from last year, and unfortunately, new info has come to light.

It seems that here's how the Scam works:

Step 1: Collect donations for BLM (all above board)
Step 2: Use BLM donations to pay for 'consultancy' and 'art services' which just so happen to be to people close to the BLM Leadership or owned by the BLM Leadership. Consulting and Art being two services that are very difficult to quantify the value of, so large sums can be paid without it being odd.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit (or in this case - become a Property Tycoon like every Kleptocratic African Marxist)
Step 5: Step down from Leadership as you've made you money from your obvious rort.

And then you add in the various Black Communities (and especially Black Mothers) who curiously say the same thing:

- We had a Tragedy
- BLM showed up to collect Donations
- We haven't heard from them since nor have we received a dime

That the "property portfolio" lists house prices of a couple of million does not necessarily mean thats how much cash changed hands. They could be mortgaged to the eyeballs, using capital gain of the first, modestly priced ($510k and $590K isn't that much) houses to leverage the later purchases. She DOES have an income, the Warner TV deal among them. You (and I) just don't know, but you are determined to paint things in the worst possible light, because you don't agree with her politics. Bias versus facts.

[TheDemonLord]

That the "property portfolio" lists house prices of a couple of million does not necessarily mean thats how much cash changed hands. They could be mortgaged to the eyeballs, using capital gain of the first, modestly priced ($510k and $590K isn't that much) houses to leverage the later purchases. She DOES have an income, the Warner TV deal among them. You (and I) just don't know, but you are determined to paint things in the worst possible light, because you don't agree with her politics. Bias versus facts.

Capital Gains? in less than 5 years? With US house prices (which are a hell of a lot more stable than NZ on average)? On Multiple houses?

There's implausible but possible and then there's downright impossible. This is definitely the latter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10457275/BLM-transferred-millions-Canadian-charity-run-wife-founder-Toronto-mansion.html

Oh god, you can't even make this up - and bonus point for Pritch - yeah, BLM totally not Marxist at all, no reason why they are buying the former headquarters of the Communist Party in Canada :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

It is and always was a massive Rort. They got rich off their Scam and then left.

[pritch]

I thought you only dealt in facts.



Good one. :rofl:

BLM has been explained to TDL previously but he clearly doesn't want to understand. There is BLM, the movement. That's the original BLM. These are black activists who undertake the activities you would associalte with the name. Although not the activities TDL associates with them, those activities exist mainly in the fevered imaginings of RWNJ Trump supporters.

Then there is BLM the organisation, set up by an oportunistic group of gay black women one of whom claimed to be a Marxist. They undertake very little, if any, activism. They collect money. They actually claim the people who do the activist things are not part of the movement. They are leeches, but they are clever leeches. They pulled a stunning move by registering the name BLM which means if the government hands money to black causes, they get it.

[TheDemonLord]

Good one. :rofl:

BLM has been explained to TDL previously but he clearly doesn't want to understand. There is BLM, the movement. That's the original BLM. These are balck activists who undertake the activities you would associalte with the name. Although not the activities TDL associates with them, those activities exist mainly in the fevered imaginings of RWNJ Trump supporters.

Then there is BLM the organisation, set up by an oportunistic group of gay black women one of whom claimed to be a Marxist. They undertake very little, if any, activism. They collect money. They actually claim the people who do the activist things are not part of the movement. They are leeches, but they are clever leeches. They pulled a stunning move by registering the name BLM which means if the government hands money to black causes, they get it.

See, you are correct about BLM the Organization - glad to see you've finally admitted it.

The problem here, is guess who were the people who came up with and popularized the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' - that would be the same group of Marxists who run BLM the Organization.

They started it. It is the original BLM:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Black-Lives-Matter


BLM was cofounded in 2013 as an online movement (using the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter on social media) by three Black community organizers—Patrisse Khan-Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi.

But maybe you think that Britannica is some form of Right Wing Nut Job organization, the problem is - we have the Internet and we have History and wouldn't you know it, the first recorded use of the Hashtag #blacklivesmatter was in July 2013, by Alicia Garza, on Facebook in a post entitled "a love letter to black people."

No amount of post-hoc retconning of history will change that they are the original BLM.

You may have 'explained' it to me, but you are demonstrably and factually wrong. It's not me who doesn't want to understand.

But even if I were to accept your distinction between the organization and the movement (I do not). The problem is that the Iconography is Marxist, the philosophical underpinnings are Marxist (Identity politics is rooted in Marxist and neo-marxist critiques), The claims of structural inequality is a Marxist claim.

Now, does that mean everyone who supports BLM is a Marxist? Of course not, but the Marxists had a term for these sorts of people: 'Useful Idiots'.

[pritch]

Apparently it's now possible to join a list to be invited to join Trump's "Free Social" rip off of Twitter. Screen shots show that it looks almost identical to Twitter.

You can reserve a user name - if you make a donation. Once you've joined it's reported that it will cost US$4.99 per week.

Free speech isn't free apparently.

[TheDemonLord]

Apparently it's now possible to join a list to be invited to join Trump's "Free Social" rip off of Twitter. Screen shots show that it looks almost identical to Twitter.

You can reserve a user name - if you make a donation. Once you've joined it's reported that it will cost US$4.99 per week.

Free speech isn't free apparently.

https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1494059287747829760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1494059287747829760%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhillreporter.com%2Fcommentar y-free-speech-for-5-a-week-trumps-truth-social-grift-gets-ready-to-launch-124990

Oof.

The only reason I bothered to look that up is reserving a username, I could see that requiring a fee, I could even see a monthly premium tier of Membership, but Weekly just sounded wrong.

Oh Pritch, how quickly your hatred of Trump blinds you.

[sugilite]

Oh Pritch, how quickly your hatred of Trump blinds you.

Trumps own accounting firm dropped him as a client and said the last 10 years records could not be relied upon. Hardly a good look. You may want to be sparing with those oooofs for now. :msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Trumps own accounting firm dropped him as a client and said the last 10 years records could not be relied upon. Hardly a good look. You may want to be sparing with those oooofs for now. :msn-wink:

I'm waiting on the outcome of the current charges in regards to spying on the Trump campaign/administration...

[sugilite]

Haha, the spying thing will be a wee wet fart, but Trumps accountancy firm doing their darnedest to put distance between them and him....now that is a full blown code brown at mar a lago :lol:

[TheDemonLord]

Haha, the spying thing will be a wee wet fart,

And if it isn't? The bit that has convinced me that it's more than Political Puff is that the 'missing link' was a Lawyer's billable hours.

And as someone with Lawyer friends, they never miss an opportunity to Bill...

So that part of the claim seems legit.

The other part of the claim is that they were snooping DNS requests and this was the basis for the Russia Hoax.


but Trumps accountancy firm doing their darnedest to put distance between them and him....now that is a full blown code brown at mar a lago :lol:

It's the timing of this that makes me suspicious - they are saying they've had duff data for 10 years, why now? With Biden doing worse than even his most prominent detractors thought he could - it would be awfully convenient to try and poison Trump in anyway they can, lest he run again...

[sugilite]

It's the timing of this that makes me suspicious - they are saying they've had duff data for 10 years, why now? With Biden doing worse than even his most prominent detractors thought he could - it would be awfully convenient to try and poison Trump in anyway they can, lest he run again...

Nope, even the dimwitted dems must know they need Trump to run to have any chance of succeeding. Nope, this is the accountancy firm knowing proven grifter Trump is about to be nailed. :Police:

[TheDemonLord]

Nope, even the dimwitted dems must know they need Trump to run to have any chance of succeeding.


Nope, this is the accountancy firm knowing proven grifter Trump is about to be nailed. :Police:

These two statement are mutually exclusive.

Either the Democrats need Trump to be running
Or
Trump is going to be Nailed

Which one Sugi?

[sugilite]

These two statement are mutually exclusive.

Either the Democrats need Trump to be running
Or
Trump is going to be Nailed

Which one Sugi?

The Dems need Trump to run to win.
Trump is going to be nailed for fraud, so obvious to his accounting firm, they are doing a runner - nothing to do with dems.

[TheDemonLord]

The Dems need Trump to run to win.
Trump is going to be nailed for fraud, so obvious to his accounting firm, they are doing a runner - nothing to do with dems.

Nailed for fraud, by Whom?

I'll wait...

[sugilite]

Nailed for fraud, by Whom?

I'll wait...

The law TDL, looks like it is finally going to catch up with him. His accountants see it coming so clearly they are jumping ship.
He has broken US laws, not dem laws or repub laws - US laws.

[TheDemonLord]

The law TDL, looks like it is finally going to catch up with him. His accountants see it coming so clearly they are jumping ship.
He has broken US laws, not dem laws or repub laws - US laws.

The Law? Who is applying the Law? Is it being applied fairly and without Bias?

We had 4 years of Russia Russia Russia, so you'll forgive my skepticism that this is completely above board and doesn't in anyway have any political undertones or motivations.

These continued attacks on Trump are nothing more than a failing regime trying to take out their biggest threat, and it couldn't be more transparent.

[sugilite]

The Law? Who is applying the Law? Is it being applied fairly and without Bias?

It is the same US Law system you defended with so much passion in our systemic racism debate, so I'm sure you will be feeling more than confidant that all the checks and balances will prevail :niceone:

[TheDemonLord]

It is the same US Law system you defended with so much passion in our systemic racism debate, so I'm sure you will be feeling more than confidant that all the checks and balances will prevail :niceone:

I'm confident that once again, the investigation will be shown to be a complete political farce once it has to go to court and a Judge will preside over it (if it gets that far).

The bit I'm talking about is the investigation that leads to it becoming a case.

[sugilite]

I'm confident that once again, the investigation will be shown to be a complete political farce once it has to go to court and a Judge will preside over it (if it gets that far).

The bit I'm talking about is the investigation that leads to it becoming a case.

Interesting you place such faith in a judge, except the 50 or more Judges that told trump to fuck right off with his baseless election fraud claims?

trump as good as admitted he inflated or deflated property values to suit which ever cause required it, and that will be just the tip of the iceberg for president grifter. Trump university, Charities he ran and plundered along with family members to the point they are banned from running another. Not like there is any doubt he is a grifter. One used to getting away with everything. Accountants now doing a runner - looks serious this time. And if course - I'm loving it :lol:

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting you place such faith in a judge, except the 50 or more Judges that told trump to fuck right off with his baseless election fraud claims?

The Judges are bound by the standard of proof being 'beyond all reasonable doubt', Statistical anomolies, no matter how suggestive - don't meet that standard of proof.

I can admit my suspicions don't meet the standard required for a Lawsuit, doesn't mean that they aren't rooted in some very suspicious sets of numbers.


trump as good as admitted he inflated or deflated property values to suit which ever cause required it, and that will be just the tip of the iceberg for president grifter. Trump university, Charities he ran and plundered along with family members to the point they are banned from running another. Not like there is any doubt he is a grifter. One used to getting away with everything. Accountants now doing a runner - looks serious this time. And if course - I'm loving it :lol:

It looked Serious with Russia.
It looked Serious with Impeachment.
It looked Serious with Insurrection.

Somehow though, my money is on it being one big political hit-job with Smoke and mirrors.

[husaberg]

https://i.redd.it/0m7wi5p4qv541.jpg

[pritch]

Nailed for fraud, by Whom?

I'll wait...


Because of Mazars throwing Trump under the bus the way they did, the NY AG now has a nuclear option if she wishes to use it. I think it's called the Martin Act?
Whatever, because the accountants have taken their leave in the circumstances that they did, she can now liquidate the Trump organisation virtually at will.
At this stage it seems she is still on plan A though.

[TheDemonLord]

https://i.redd.it/0m7wi5p4qv541.jpg

You want to know what the biggest joke in that picture is?

The T-Shirt slogans are exactly the same ;)

[pritch]

The Judges are bound by the standard of proof being 'beyond all reasonable doubt', Statistical anomolies, no matter how suggestive - don't meet that standard of proof.


Wrong.

The case being brought by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York is a criminal case and that does require proof beyond reasonable doubt.

The case being brought by the NY AG is a civil action where the standard of proof is lower. Different rules too. If Trump pleads the Fifth Amendment in the criminal case, that can be taken as evidence of wrong doing in the civil case.

[TheDemonLord]

Wrong.

The case being brought by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York is a criminal case and that does require proof beyond reasonable doubt.

The case being brought by the NY AG is a civil action where the standard of proof is lower. Different rules too. If Trump pleads the Fifth Amendment in the criminal case, that can be taken as evidence of wrong doing in the civil case.

I was talking specifically about the Election court cases, not the ongoing witch hunt.

[husaberg]

Wrong.

The case being brought by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York is a criminal case and that does require proof beyond reasonable doubt.

The case being brought by the NY AG is a civil action where the standard of proof is lower. Different rules too. If Trump pleads the Fifth Amendment in the criminal case, that can be taken as evidence of wrong doing in the civil case.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/FcJ1c.jpghttps://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/cpsprodpb/BDC8/production/_106148584_trump_rusia_investigation_v5_640_2x-nc.png

https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1_mueller_graphic_final-1.png

http://videos.usatoday.net/Brightcove3/29906170001/201705/3487/29906170001_5439515137001_5439509610001-vs.jpg?pubId=29906170001

Looks like they found plenty of whitches

[sugilite]

It looked Serious with Russia.
It looked Serious with Impeachment.
It looked Serious with Insurrection.

I refer to the Mueller congress interviews, and I saw a serious man that knows his shit (More than any well read IT guy in NZ could possibly know about russian senanigans) and he was genuinely concerned.
Impeachment, never serious, the repub party was always going to swat it down
Same deal with the Insurrection, nice to see you acknowledge it was an insurrection though :bleh:


I was talking specifically about the Election court cases, not the ongoing witch hunt.
And 50+ court cases with zero evidence is not a witch hunt? :laugh:
As I KEEP saying these clown political parties in the US are absolutely as bad as each other. As much as you will never admit a conservative party to be a clown show. The Repubs are not even a conservative parties arsehole at this point. They are a Trumpisym party.

[TheDemonLord]

I refer to the Mueller congress interviews, and I saw a serious man that knows his shit (More than any well read IT guy in NZ could possibly know about russian senanigans) and he was genuinely concerned.

Is it reasonable to be concerned about Russia? I mean the history of the 20th century would certainly concur.

However, with the ongoing lawsuit, it appears the supposed 'Russian connection' was not only illegally obtained (Unauthorized network access is a Federal crime), but according to the lawyers billed hours, was paid for by the Clinton campaign.

So the 'Serious Concern' was based on a lie that was based on illegal activity.

You'll forgive me if I don't place a whole lot of faith in it.

But more to that, let's look at the empirical evidence - remember the claim was that Trump was the Russian pick for President and that 'Trump was Putin's Puppet'. The Crimea annexation - that was in 2014, and the current Ukraine situation is now.

Both happened under Democrat Presidents, neither happened under Trump.


Impeachment, never serious, the repub party was always going to swat it down
Same deal with the Insurrection, nice to see you acknowledge it was an insurrection though :bleh:

You miss the wood for the trees - all of these things are propped up as 'serious' and in the light of day are shown to be little more than smoke and mirrors.



And 50+ court cases with zero evidence is not a witch hunt? :laugh:
As I KEEP saying these clown political parties in the US are absolutely as bad as each other. As much as you will never admit a conservative party to be a clown show. The Repubs are not even a conservative parties arsehole at this point. They are a Trumpisym party.

There's one key difference between the Democrats and the Republicans though - the Republicans don't want to destroy what the US is foundationally, whereas the Democrats have been swallowed by Woke ideology which traces it's lineage all the way back to Marx. Those ideas are in direct opposition to what the US was founded on.

And that difference happens to be key - I'll accept, for the sake of the argument, every critique and criticism you can make about the Republicans - and I'll even (just this once) concede every single one as being 100% true. Even if I make that concession, they are still not as bad as the current Democrats.

In regards to your last point:

What do you think the difference is between Trumpism and Conservatism? And I'm talking actual policies, not his Tweeting or his bombastic style.

[1/32 man]

You miss the wood for the trees - all of these things are propped up as 'serious' and in the light of day are shown to be little more than smoke and mirrors.





Even June sixth ?

[TheDemonLord]

Even June sixth ?

Definitely.

[Viking01]

https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-launches-new-social-media-app-everything-you-need-to-know/

https://www.rt.com/russia/550312-trump-putin-savvy-donbass/

[Stylo]

Definitely.

Clarification please. Your answer and why you're from another country typing your non-sensical diatribe about why things are so bad here why'll you're still taking the benefit in our country, not yours.

The only people that want you here are the other anti New Zealanders in the protest, sh***ing in their hands and throwing it at the Police.

Trump would approve of of your actions. If you can't argue with logic, stop bleeding off the people that pay your benefit . You piss me off.

Pack your bags and go. Take your family with you. Where-ever you came from.

I would offer to drive you to the airport but your smell would make me gag. Just go.

[Berries]

You need to get over this before you blow a gasket.

[TheDemonLord]

Clarification please. Your answer and why you're from another country typing your non-sensical diatribe about why things are so bad here why'll you're still taking the benefit in our country, not yours.

The only people that want you here are the other anti New Zealanders in the protest, sh***ing in their hands and throwing it at the Police.

Trump would approve of of your actions. If you can't argue with logic, stop bleeding off the people that pay your benefit . You piss me off.

Pack your bags and go. Take your family with you. Where-ever you came from.

I would offer to drive you to the airport but your smell would make me gag. Just go.

Benefit?

You do realise that I've been on a 6 figure income for the last 3-4 years?

I've been a net tax-payer for the last 15.

I'm literally the person who pays for other people to bleed off of.

I mean if you don't enjoy the Hospitals, Roads, Public services that people like me provide, then sure - I could go elsewhere - maybe somewhere that might appreciate someone who pays more into the Government system than they take out.

So before you start with your xenophobic vitriolic bullshit, you might want to get your facts right Sunny Jim.

[Stylo]

Benefit?

You do realise that I've been on a 6 figure income for the last 3-4 years?

I've been a net tax-payer for the last 15.

I'm literally the person who pays for other people to bleed off of.

I mean if you don't enjoy the Hospitals, Roads, Public services that people like me provide, then sure - I could go elsewhere - maybe somewhere that might appreciate someone who pays more into the Government system than they take out.

So before you start with your xenophobic vitriolic bullshit, you might want to get your facts right Sunny Jim.

I'm not Sunny Jim. However...

I work at the Port , bringing all the supplies in to keep the country running. it's my job. Six figure salary for a while too.

Keep calm. I'm good.

[R650R]

I'm not Sunny Jim. Watch your mouth. Please.

I work at the Port , bringing all the supplies in to keep the country running. it's my job. Six figure salary for a while too.

Keep calm. I'm good.

Some not all.....

[Stylo]

Some not all.....

And I don't think it's going to get better any time soon.

[R650R]

You need to get over this before you blow a gasket.

I’m confused whose blowing on the casket

Climb over and blow this no

No blow at gas creek

She’s blowing at sass peak tonight

Someone need a snow blower

Your lawn mower blew a gasket

She offered a blow to fix her lawn mower

The rower cheated it was a fix up

Tits up and a blow

Where do we go

[husaberg]

https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/upload/f_auto,t_content-image-mobile@1/v1644419929/CjonesRGB02112022.jpg


this one is brilliant
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8967907840/h755B1188/funny-political-image-clever-letter-to-the-editor-parodies-donald-trumps-speaking-style

trumps grades finally released
350722

[sugilite]

What do you think the difference is between Trumpism and Conservatism? And I'm talking actual policies, not his Tweeting or his bombastic style.
I simply don't have time to combat the rest of your post of not serious at all blah, blah. Your arguments in my opinion are always based on your love and fears. Love for conservative politics, largely a mirage in modern day politics, you are clinging on to a set of values VERY few conservatives now hold onto, no shortage of paying lip service though. and your fear that marxists are on the precipice of taking over.

Trumpisym is case in point, any republican that ever goes against any word that trump says, is instantly labeled a rhino and attacked into submission - hardly democratic or upholding conservative values. Trumps republicans did not even bother putting out a new platform for the 2020 election, why? Because the simply don't give a fuck about moving the conservative platform on, it is all Trump for Trump and Republicans for Trump. If you think Trump somehow follows and upholds conservative values quietly in the background, you are even further gone than I thought. By all means though, keep living in your fluffy white cloud world where you think the republican party are fighting the good conservative fight. I personally wish they were, it is better than them all sucking trump dick, which is precisely what they are all doing now.

So I will say it again, the dems and republicans are just as bad as each other, just in different ways.

[TheDemonLord]

I simply don't have time to combat the rest of your post of not serious at all blah, blah. Your arguments in my opinion are always based on your love and fears. Love for conservative politics, largely a mirage in modern day politics, you are clinging on to a set of values VERY few conservatives now hold onto, no shortage of paying lip service though. and your fear that marxists are on the precipice of taking over.

Trumpisym is case in point, any republican that ever goes against any word that trump says, is instantly labeled a rhino and attacked into submission - hardly democratic or upholding conservative values. Trumps republicans did not even bother putting out a new platform for the 2020 election, why? Because the simply don't give a fuck about moving the conservative platform on, it is all Trump for Trump and Republicans for Trump. If you think Trump somehow follows and upholds conservative values quietly in the background, you are even further gone than I thought. By all means though, keep living in your fluffy white cloud world where you think the republican party are fighting the good conservative fight. I personally wish they were, it is better than them all sucking trump dick, which is precisely what they are all doing now.

So I will say it again, the dems and republicans are just as bad as each other, just in different ways.

A nice reply - but one that doesn't answer the actual question posed:

On Policy, what is the difference between what you term 'Trumpism' and what would be termed traditional Conservatism?

In order to address anything you've said, we need to start there.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not Sunny Jim. However...

I work at the Port , bringing all the supplies in to keep the country running. it's my job. Six figure salary for a while too.

Keep calm. I'm good.

I'm sure there's a comment in there about working at the ports and your thoughts on Foreigners...

[sugilite]

A nice reply - but one that doesn't answer the actual question posed:

On Policy, what is the difference between what you term 'Trumpism' and what would be termed traditional Conservatism?

In order to address anything you've said, we need to start there.

My point is, Trump is not a true conservative and only pays lip service to any actual conservative policy. To spell it out further, he simply does not follow policy. I have seen you list so called policies of the republicans, Trump barely pays any regard to those at all. If course your premise that I did not answer your question nicely sidesteps the repubs being ruled by a dictatorial Trump, too scared to get out of step lest be labeled a Rino. A sad state of affairs really - and I really mean that. America deserves better conservative polis than Trumps spineless mob. Imagine if the Repubs actually honored conservative values and the dems hauled themselves to a more central position and the two parties actually met somewhere in the middle and serviced the American people with honor. LOL as if that will ever happen.

[sugilite]

Meanwhile, Republicans focusing on conservative values.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWLbI9KUZKs

[Stylo]

Meanwhile, Republicans focusing on conservative values.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWLbI9KUZKs

Trump claims he's a Patriot. He's anything but that. he only cares about his ego. A Patriot is anyone who vigorously supports his country and it's way of life. That's not Donald Trump. His ego, like Putins, is all that matters to make for their manly short falls.

Trump is a traitor. And a failed dictator. He pretended to be a President but his people soon became tired of his lies. Apart from the sector of people who can't think for themselves and need someone to do it for them. His base.

Look at the Trump '24 flags at the protests today. Incapable of making their own call so, Social media it is so..., let's follow Donald.

That's why he's supporting the small man Dictator Putin and his invasion of a peaceful country. They're both as weak as each other.

[TheDemonLord]

My point is, Trump is not a true conservative and only pays lip service to any actual conservative policy. To spell it out further, he simply does not follow policy. I have seen you list so called policies of the republicans, Trump barely pays any regard to those at all. If course your premise that I did not answer your question nicely sidesteps the repubs being ruled by a dictatorial Trump, too scared to get out of step lest be labeled a Rino. A sad state of affairs really - and I really mean that. America deserves better conservative polis than Trumps spineless mob. Imagine if the Repubs actually honored conservative values and the dems hauled themselves to a more central position and the two parties actually met somewhere in the middle and serviced the American people with honor. LOL as if that will ever happen.

Another sidestep - I have to press you on this:

What is it that you perceive as a difference?

And to give you an easy out - there's a few things I can think of, off the top of my head that would differentiate Trump's style of Conservatism to a more traditional style.

I'll even be generous - I'll let you keep all of those critiques about the current republicans for free - just a differentiation on policies, if you please.

[TheDemonLord]

Meanwhile, Republicans focusing on conservative values.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWLbI9KUZKs

Two can play at that game:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBbjkoY6EW8

[sugilite]

Two can play at that game:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBbjkoY6EW8

Thank You for highlighting the absurdity of both parties, no contesting on the one I published I note. :shifty:

[sugilite]

Another sidestep - I have to press you on this:

What is it that you perceive as a difference?

And to give you an easy out - there's a few things I can think of, off the top of my head that would differentiate Trump's style of Conservatism to a more traditional style.

I'll even be generous - I'll let you keep all of those critiques about the current republicans for free - just a differentiation on policies, if you please.

ARRRG - Trump does not follow policy, why debate what he does not follow. He is a conservative Charleton. I'm sorry TDL, Trump needling the left and giving you happy feet does not count.
Right now half the repubs are supporting and cheering on Putin, no red flags there for you?

[sugilite]

Trump and the US repubs are supporting Putin in his war, these brave russians are shown here fighting the good fight :no:

https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6298857666001

[Stylo]

ARRRG - Trump does not follow policy, why debate what he does not follow. He is a conservative Charleton. I'm sorry TDL, Trump needling the left and giving you happy feet does not count.
Right now half the repubs are supporting and cheering on Putin, no red flags there for you?

You can't argue with stupid mate.

Let the TDL continue to rant his non-sensical alt-right BS. We all know it has no foundation as he/she refuses to clarify or provide proof to any statements he makes or quotes he gives. Asked for it, never given.

Don't get angry with him. We have a mental health issue here. Small person, lots to say ( too much to say ), unemployed and so angry at his place in the world that he gives him self ( or her self )the title of Demon...something.

Small people do that, I guess..

[Stylo]

Trump and the US repubs are supporting Putin in his war, these brave russians are shown here fighting the good fight :no:

https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6298857666001

Total act of aggression from the Russian tank driver towards an innocent person.

He should be jailed for life for attempted murder. Trump would approve.

[Kickaha]

Total act of aggression from the Russian tank driver towards an innocent person.

He should be jailed for life for attempted murder. Trump would approve.

Given he said “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, ok? It’s, like, incredible.”, he probably would

[TheDemonLord]

Thank You for highlighting the absurdity of both parties, no contesting on the one I published I note. :shifty:

Except there's a difference.

See, as bad as the Republicans are (remembering, I'm giving carte blanche on every criticism you can level at them) they believe in the American Ideal.

That's why appeals to personal Freedom (in the clips you gave) and attacks on what are 'Foreign ideals' (Marxist derived theories) are met with such thunderous applause in the Video you posted.


ARRRG - Trump does not follow policy, why debate what he does not follow. He is a conservative Charleton. I'm sorry TDL, Trump needling the left and giving you happy feet does not count.

Then you can't call it Trumpism. The funny thing is - I gave you several outs to differentiate the two (The biggest for me would probably be his prote - if you want to call something Trumpism, then you have to define it.


Right now half the repubs are supporting and cheering on Putin, no red flags there for you?

The only support and cheering I've seen from the Republicans is because everything that is happening now is a perfect microcosm of the absolute failure of the Biden Administration.

I've seen a lot of commentary saying the Putin is very smart (he is), that he's like a grand chess master in his ability to achieve his end-game.

I don't know whether you consider that support and cheering, I see it as acknowledging a worthy adversary.

And you can't deny that what Putin has done (if you consider it in terms of Putin getting what he wants) was exceptionally smart - obvious caveat, I don't agree with it nor do I think it's good - but like the Machiavellian Judo Master that he is, he's positioned himself carefully and then he's achieving his objective, knowing that Biden is no threat to him.

I put it to you that one of the reasons this didn't happen under Trump was because Trump had an air of unpredictability. You never knew when he was going to turn the other cheek (like when the drone was shot down) or assassinate you (like the ISIS leader) after a Twitter spat. Putin didn't try anything under Trump because (and yes, this is pure speculation) Putin didn't know how Trump would react - would he have gone with a full-scale military response? Possibly or would he have stuck to his non-interventionist policies? Also Possible. That uncertainty kept the world safe, whereas with Biden - Putin read them like a book.

[TheDemonLord]

You can't argue with stupid mate.

Let the TDL continue to rant his non-sensical alt-right BS. We all know it has no foundation as he/she refuses to clarify or provide proof to any statements he makes or quotes he gives. Asked for it, never given.

Don't get angry with him. We have a mental health issue here. Small person, lots to say ( too much to say ), unemployed and so angry at his place in the world that he gives him self ( or her self )the title of Demon...something.

Small people do that, I guess..

Do you even know what the Alt-Right is? I've never said anything Alt-Right. In case you're wondering - it's advocating for a Racial segregationist society, Kinda like saying 'Foreigners should go home'...

The funny thing is, I've met Sugilite, and despite regularly winding him up over my support of Trump, You'll never catch me saying a bad word about him. Somedays Sugi will even say a nice thing or two about me (depending on how much I've pissed him off)

[1/32 man]

But the US is not run by its figure head ie president where Putin is the only one who makes decisions....no man is an island and all that.

He is obviously becoming paranoid with stuff like "my gun is bigger than your gun" talk.

And now mentioning the nuke thing.....the guy is insane and dangerous.

[sugilite]

Then you can't call it Trumpism. The funny thing is - I gave you several outs to differentiate the two (The biggest for me would probably be his prote - if you want to call something Trumpism, then you have to define it.

Here is a snippet, on Jan 6th House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy condemned Trump and said he would be censured. Several other republicans said similar, all that did not walk those statements back to Trumps satisfaction got primaried. All through his presidency he ruled through fear and a lot of republicans feared for their career. Anyone that went against Trumps word got fucked over royally. This is not a party that is free and open and democratic anymore, it is ruled by a very dictatorial Trump. Trumpisym. Oh, and no way in hell does Trump respect conservative values, well - only when and if it suits him. More Trumpisym.


The only support and cheering I've seen from the Republicans is because everything that is happening now is a perfect microcosm of the absolute failure of the Biden Administration.
Watch fox - holy shit


I put it to you that one of the reasons this didn't happen under Trump was because Trump had an air of unpredictability. You never knew when he was going to turn the other cheek (like when the drone was shot down) or assassinate you (like the ISIS leader) after a Twitter spat. Putin didn't try anything under Trump because (and yes, this is pure speculation) Putin didn't know how Trump would react - would he have gone with a full-scale military response? Possibly or would he have stuck to his non-interventionist policies? Also Possible. That uncertainty kept the world safe, whereas with Biden - Putin read them like a book.
Well, we can only speculate. Trumps unpredictability may have had an impact. However, Putin does not strike me as someone that scares easy. I think it will be a whole raft of factors as to why Putin made his move, not just Biden is president.

[husaberg]

Well, we can only speculate. Trumps unpredictability may have had an impact. However, Putin does not strike me as someone that scares easy. I think it will be a whole raft of factors as to why Putin made his move, not just Biden is president.

The simplest one was Trump wasn't going to let Ukraine into Nato, thereby doing what Putin wanted and generally being his sycophant.


But the US is not run by its figure head ie president where Putin is the only one who makes decisions....no man is an island and all that.

He is obviously becoming paranoid with stuff like "my gun is bigger than your gun" talk.

And now mentioning the nuke thing.....the guy is insane and dangerous.

I dont like the guy i think he should be executed, but where were you when Trump said the exact same things?

[TheDemonLord]

Here is a snippet, on Jan 6th House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy condemned Trump and said he would be censured. Several other republicans said similar, all that did not walk those statements back to Trumps satisfaction got primaried. All through his presidency he ruled through fear and a lot of republicans feared for their career. Anyone that went against Trumps word got fucked over royally. This is not a party that is free and open and democratic anymore, it is ruled by a very dictatorial Trump. Trumpisym. Oh, and no way in hell does Trump respect conservative values, well - only when and if it suits him. More Trumpisym.

See, I have a different opinion on what you've described - firstly RINO has a long history that preceedes Trump - so when Trump says 'Do this or you aren't a real Republican' - rather than calling it a Dictatorship - we have to look at the issues that caused the division in the first place.

Things like being opposed to the woke agenda - that IS a republican value (Individual Freedom and Liberty vs Collectivist ideology)
Things like being opposed to Federal/Government intervention - that IS a republican value (Individual freedom again)

In my personal estimation, even looking at the likes of National here and the Conservatives in the UK, the number of actual Conservatives is probably around 10-20% of the party. By Conservatives, I mean people that actually understand the underlying core ideals. Too many Conservative Politicians think that Conservatism is just doing the same thing that we've always done because we are conserving it. Case in point - Nationals leadership over the last few years - not one of them has thus-far articulated what the Conservative vision is for the Individual, the Community and the Country.

Getting back to Trump - he knew that a house divided would fall, so yeah he made sure everyone was onboard with the plan - is that Dictatorial or good leadership? Probably a bit of both to be fair...

But getting back to the values - what did Trump want?

Lower taxes
Less regulation
reduction in illegal immigration
No more interventionist wars (this is one you could argue falls outside of Conservative thought)
Trade tariffs with countries that don't share the same safety standards as the US (Another non-conservative view)
fighting against Marxist derived theories and nonsense
Investing in Infrastructure (This one you could argue that a strict republican would see this as the purview of the state and private sector)

There's probably a few more I'm missing - but the key parts are in line with the Republican small government, individualist, British Liberal tradition.

If someone like Ron De Santis was to take over the Republican party - that wouldn't be (as far as policy goes) a massive departure from Trump and nor would be against Conservative Ideals (Individual Choice, Individual Liberty)


Watch fox - holy shit

I actually avoid Fox, for much the same reason I avoid CNN. What I have seen from right wing media is people saying that Putin has played the West, Biden is incompetent, Biden's afghanistan failure indicate to Russia the US was no longer a threat, Putin is a Mastermind etc. etc.


Well, we can only speculate. Trumps unpredictability may have had an impact. However, Putin does not strike me as someone that scares easy. I think it will be a whole raft of factors as to why Putin made his move, not just Biden is president.

Putin is a Judo master and an ex-KGB officer - it's not a case of being scared, but I think it's a case of he doesn't pick a battle where he hasn't predicted the outcome. He knows exactly what the Democrats/NATO/UN will do. Whereas Trump - who knew what Trump would do?

But the fact is - Crimea happened under Obama and Ukraine happened under Biden - and whilst I agree that there are many other factors - you cannot deny those two.

[TheDemonLord]

The simplest one was Trump want going to let Ukraine into Nato thereby doing what Putin wanted and generally being his sycophant.

So, let me get this straight.

You want us to believe that Putin wanted Ukraine in NATO, so he could invade Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO?

Not only that - this didn't happen under Trump's watch, it happened under Biden - so by your own logic, Biden is the one doing what Putin wanted and is his Sycophant.

[pete376403]

So, let me get this straight.

You want us to believe that Putin wanted Ukraine in NATO, so he could invade Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO?

No, Putin didnt want Ukraine in NATO. Trump did as he was told and didn't let Ukraine into NATO. But it was more than just Trump or Biden. "NATO has also made clear that having “unresolved external territorial disputes” weighs against being admitted, a consideration that gives Putin an edge, since Russian forces occupy internationally recognized parts of Georgia (Abkhazia and South Ossetia) and Ukraine (Crimea). ... Officially, NATO stands by its 2008 pledge to admit Georgia and Ukraine once they meet the criteria, with no consensus on when that might be. Some NATO members, including Poland and Baltic states Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, would sign up Ukraine tomorrow if they could. But Germany and France in particular insist that as long as Russian troops are in Ukraine, membership is not going to happen.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/how-a-country-joins-nato-and-why-putin-cares-quicktake

[husaberg]

No, Putin didnt want Ukraine in NATO. Trump did as he was told and didn't let Ukraine into NATO. But it was more than just Trump or Biden. "NATO has also made clear that having “unresolved external territorial disputes” weighs against being admitted, a consideration that gives Putin an edge, since Russian forces occupy internationally recognized parts of Georgia (Abkhazia and South Ossetia) and Ukraine (Crimea). ... Officially, NATO stands by its 2008 pledge to admit Georgia and Ukraine once they meet the criteria, with no consensus on when that might be. Some NATO members, including Poland and Baltic states Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, would sign up Ukraine tomorrow if they could. But Germany and France in particular insist that as long as Russian troops are in Ukraine, membership is not going to happen.
Yip the last thing in the Worls Putin wants is the baltic state the Ukraine and Georgia in Nato.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/how-a-country-joins-nato-and-why-putin-cares-quicktake

Trump even wanted to leave NATO


Donald Trump expressed interest in withdrawing from the organization during his 2016 presidential campaign. The New York Times reported in 2019 that a year earlier, he had already mentioned several times privately that he wanted the United States to leave NATO. Such concerns led the House of Representatives in January 2019, to pass the NATO Support Act (H.R. 676) (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/676), confirming Congress' support for NATO and prohibiting Trump from potentially withdrawing from NATO. On December 11, 2019, the Senate's Foreign Relations Committee passed a bill to be put in front of Congress which would require Congressional approval for American withdrawal from NATO.

Nato let the Ukraine down

ince the spring of 2008, the United States and the rest of NATO have promised publicly to bring Ukraine, as well as the smaller and even more remote country of Georgia, into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. By this pledge, we would have the same obligation to defend faraway lands in eastern Europe and western Asia as to defend Germany, Canada or our own territory from hypothetical attack.

Trump lifted sanctions against Putin's supporters




The House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to block the Trump administration from lifting sanctions on a Russian oligarch with deep ties to Vladimir Putin.

The effort, a joint resolution of disapproval, would overturn the Treasury Department’s December decision to ease sanctions on companies tied to Oleg Deripaska, who was sanctioned last year as part of a broader congressional push to punish Moscow for interfering in the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/17/house-rebukes-trump-russia-sanctions-1108939



The Trump administration has lifted sanctions on three firms linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, an ally of President Vladimir Putin.
Curbs on aluminium giant US Rusal, En+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo were lifted after Mr Deripaska ceded control.
The oligarch has been linked to the probe into alleged Russian interference in US elections, and Democrats wanted the sanctions to continue.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47023004


Trump instead of helping the Ukraine tried to bully them into pursuing his vendetta against the Bidens.
Remember how he threatened them with withdrawing assistance leading to his first impeachment.

Zelensky asks Trump for an increase in military aid — specifically, to purchase more Javelin anti-tank missiles, useful in Ukraine’s ongoing conflict with Russian-backed separatists in its east.
Trump responds by saying, “I would like you to do us a favor though.”
The favor turns out to be about two investigations Trump would like Ukraine to conduct: one about a bizarre and unfounded theory about Ukrainian possession of a Democratic email server, the other about the Biden family’s allegedly corrupt dealings with a Ukrainian prosecuton
he context for the call is important too. According to a Washington Post report, a week before phoning Zelensky, who had just assumed office, Trump ordered chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to suspend $400 million worth of US military aid to Ukraine (the aid was unlocked in September). So you have a new leader of a country locked in conflict with much more powerful Russia speaking to one of its principal international benefactors, which has recently suspended military aid.

After a few pleasantries early in the call, Trump brings up this military aid unprompted. He goes out of his way to compare US assistance to EU aid to Ukraine. “I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time,” he tells Zelensky. “Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are.”



Biden and Nato let the ukraine down by not admitting the Ukrine under urgency to NATO

[TheDemonLord]

Trump even wanted to leave NATO

This is like one half of one third of one quarter of the actual truth.

Trump said (on numerous occassions) that he was tired of the US footing the NATO bill, with other countries not honoring their defence spend commitments as per their NATO agreements.

In particular he saw other countries spending less on their defence budget because they were allied with the US and should anything happen to them, they would expect the US to come and 'rescue' them (sound familiar in NZ? No Combat air force?)

It's like you're a member of a Country Club, you always pay your membership, other people are also members, but they aren't up-to-date with their dues and somehow, you still get lumped with the bar tab. You might eventually decide to leave the Country Club rather than subsidising everyone else's socialising.

Or at least - threaten to leave if the other members don't start paying their membership fees.

[TheDemonLord]

No, Putin didnt want Ukraine in NATO. Trump did as he was told and didn't let Ukraine into NATO. But it was more than just Trump or Biden. "NATO has also made clear that having “unresolved external territorial disputes” weighs against being admitted, a consideration that gives Putin an edge, since Russian forces occupy internationally recognized parts of Georgia (Abkhazia and South Ossetia) and Ukraine (Crimea). ... Officially, NATO stands by its 2008 pledge to admit Georgia and Ukraine once they meet the criteria, with no consensus on when that might be. Some NATO members, including Poland and Baltic states Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, would sign up Ukraine tomorrow if they could. But Germany and France in particular insist that as long as Russian troops are in Ukraine, membership is not going to happen.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/how-a-country-joins-nato-and-why-putin-cares-quicktake

Okay - Let me take everything on face value:

Trump did what Putin wanted and simply didn't allow Ukraine into NATO = No Russian invasion and no rise in Russian aggression.
Biden, supposedly 'going toe-to-toe with Putin' (Biden quote, and in a physical fight, Putin would destroy most world leaders) and 'Standing up to Putin' still doesn't allow Ukraine into NATO but does allow a Russian invasion and an increase in Russian aggression.

Even if everything you say is true - Trump looks like someone attempting to keep world peace, prevent WW3 and stop unnecessary bloodshed and Biden looks about as competent a Military Leader as he did during the Afghanistan withdrawal.

[pete376403]

Okay - Let me take everything on face value:

Trump did what Putin wanted and simply didn't allow Ukraine into NATO = No Russian invasion and no rise in Russian aggression.
Biden, supposedly 'going toe-to-toe with Putin' (Biden quote, and in a physical fight, Putin would destroy most world leaders) and 'Standing up to Putin' still doesn't allow Ukraine into NATO but does allow a Russian invasion and an increase in Russian aggression.

Even if everything you say is true - Trump looks like someone attempting to keep world peace, prevent WW3 and stop unnecessary bloodshed and Biden looks about as competent a Military Leader as he did during the Afghanistan withdrawal.


Putin got what he wanted, Ukraine is not in NATO and Putin still invades? Almost like 1938 again, Germany claims and gets, Sudetenland, Chamberlain (Peace in our time) accedes, Germany takes that as "we can do what we like" and invades Poland, WWII happens. Putin has raised the stakes a lot higher by putting nuclear forces on high alert. Would not be surprised to see wiser heads in Russia prevail and Putin gets removed

[TheDemonLord]

Putin got what he wanted, Ukraine is not in NATO and Putin still invades? Almost like 1938 again, Germany claims and gets, Sudetenland, Chamberlain (Peace in our time) accedes, Germany takes that as "we can do what we like" and invades Poland, WWII happens. Putin has raised the stakes a lot higher by putting nuclear forces on high alert. Would not be surprised to see wiser heads in Russia prevail and Putin gets removed

Sure, but Who in your scenario is Chamberlain?

Biden or Trump? In order for it to be Trump, there would have had to have been Military action by Russia during his presidency. Biden on the other hand...

[pritch]

Impeachment, never serious, the repub party was always going to swat it down



Impeachment was still serious. Trump is forever disgraced as the only president ever to be impeached twice. If he gets elected again in 2024 he could even rack up a few more. There's a new crime every day.

[pritch]

That's why appeals to personal Freedom (in the clips you gave) and attacks on what are 'Foreign ideals' (Marxist derived theories) are met with such thunderous applause in the Video you posted.


Right wing nutjobs banging on about freedom is pure propaganda. The "land of the free" has the biggest imprisoned population on the planet, many have not been found guilty of any crime.

Considering the amount of noise they make about freedom the US doesn't even rate that high. In the 2022 International Freedom Index USA ranks fifteenth. They aren't even top 10.

[sugilite]

TDL Gloss over job
The last lot of Rino calls came from some repubs calling out trrump for inspiring the march/riots of people trying to stop the certification process - disrupting democratic elections on the approved conservitive values list is it?
I've seen some of the latest CPAC footage of sooooooooo many repubs saying Trump was cheated out of the election despite no evidence - undermining fair and free elections also approved conservative values?



I actually avoid Fox, for much the same reason I avoid CNN. What I have seen from right wing media is people saying that Putin has played the West, Biden is incompetent, Biden's afghanistan failure indicate to Russia the US was no longer a threat, Putin is a Mastermind etc. etc.
I do look at fox for the comedy of the comments section. The left wing comment sections are also comedy, especially when the supporters are saying exactly the same things about the other side. I cancelled my last subscription to the left wing media just the other day. Coincidentally, over the last 24 hours, fox has actually read the room in terms of how much sympathy the Ukraine is getting, and are now resuming their more traditional "Russians bad" dialog. Their advertising intake must have started taking a hit.




Putin is a Judo master and an ex-KGB officer - it's not a case of being scared, but I think it's a case of he doesn't pick a battle where he hasn't predicted the outcome. He knows exactly what the Democrats/NATO/UN will do. Whereas Trump - who knew what Trump would do?

But the fact is - Crimea happened under Obama and Ukraine happened under Biden - and whilst I agree that there are many other factors - you cannot deny those two.

I'm not entirely sure Putin is getting the win he had calculated, time will tell I guess. I feel Putin actually left USA largely alone in the Trump years, as Trump himself was spectacularly successful in sowing the seeds of discontent and hatred far better than putin could do himself. Case in point, the thought of protestors marching on the capital to stop the election results being certified would of been unthinkable in any other modernish presidency, yet under trump, hardly surprising.

[TheDemonLord]

The last lot of Rino calls came from some repubs calling out trrump for inspiring the march/riots of people trying to stop the certification process - disrupting democratic elections on the approved conservitive values list is it?

Here's the thing - if there hadn't been a major change in the well-established Voting procedures in a number of States (and especially ones which may have violated the State constitution) then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And it isn't like we haven't got a precedent for Mail-In voting being a cause for concern (Cough GWB Election and the Florida results Cough).


I've seen some of the latest CPAC footage of sooooooooo many repubs saying Trump was cheated out of the election despite no evidence - undermining fair and free elections also approved conservative values?

I've said it before - there's a LOT of statistical anomalies. That's not 'No Evidence'. It's just not high enough to meet the standard of 'Beyond all reasonable doubt'.


I do look at fox for the comedy of the comments section. The left wing comment sections are also comedy, especially when the supporters are saying exactly the same things about the other side. I cancelled my last subscription to the left wing media just the other day. Coincidentally, over the last 24 hours, fox has actually read the room in terms of how much sympathy the Ukraine is getting, and are now resuming their more traditional "Russians bad" dialog. Their advertising intake must have started taking a hit.

Fox is as Fox does - congrats on the subscription cancellation :)


I'm not entirely sure Putin is getting the win he had calculated, time will tell I guess. I feel Putin actually left USA largely alone in the Trump years, as Trump himself was spectacularly successful in sowing the seeds of discontent and hatred far better than putin could do himself. Case in point, the thought of protestors marching on the capital to stop the election results being certified would of been unthinkable in any other modernish presidency, yet under trump, hardly surprising.

Sure the Trump presidency was unusual, but at least half the blame has to come from the Media and the Democrats with their continued Russian Hoax and other assorted attacks. If the Media hadn't acted like a Jilted crazy ex-GF, then perhaps the division wouldn't have been so bad.

I agree Putin left Trump alone - whether that's because you think that Putin saw what was happening and decided to 'never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake' or because you agree with my perspective that Trump is/was an Unknown and his unpredictability meant that Putin wasn't confident in the outcome he would achieve to make a move or you subscribe to some other theory - I still get to sit here and gloat 'Didn't happen under Trump'.

As for the first part - It's a fair call, at the moment - things are all up in the air - one thing I am certain of, when things go back to normal, Putin will have gotten something that he wanted.

[TheDemonLord]

Right wing nutjobs banging on about freedom is pure propaganda. The "land of the free" has the biggest imprisoned population on the planet, many have not been found guilty of any crime.

Considering the amount of noise they make about freedom the US doesn't even rate that high. In the 2022 International Freedom Index USA ranks fifteenth. They aren't even top 10.

To be honest though, I'd take a Constitution and a limitation of Government powers any day of the week at this point. It's good to see that our High Court found some principles (and some Balls) to say that the Government mandate was illegal.

Sadly, I don't think I will ever live to see the day when the Government suffers even remotely comparable consequences for breaking the Law as the Citizenry does.

I don't know how or if the Freedom index takes that into account - but I'm going on a hunch that it doesn't.

[husaberg]

I'm not entirely sure Putin is getting the win he had calculated, time will tell I guess. I feel Putin actually left USA largely alone in the Trump years, as Trump himself was spectacularly successful in sowing the seeds of discontent and hatred far better than putin could do himself. Case in point, the thought of protestors marching on the capital to stop the election results being certified would of been unthinkable in any other modernish presidency, yet under trump, hardly surprising.

some other facts
https://doctorparadox.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/National-Debt-to-GDP-zFacts.jpeg

https://doctorparadox.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/fed-debt-data-trump-annotated.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMtXXqGXEAA6TGC?format=jpg&name=900x900

[sugilite]

What I have seen from right wing media is people saying that Putin has played the West, Biden is incompetent, Biden's afghanistan failure indicate to Russia the US was no longer a threat, Putin is a Mastermind etc. etc.


A catch up for you on fox and other conservative pollies fawning over putin....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9d6h8ZwPU

[TheDemonLord]

A catch up for you on fox and other conservative pollies fawning over putin....

I mean, they aren't wrong in either sense....

[sugilite]

I mean, they aren't wrong in either sense....

So why are many of them now back peddling their statements post haste? :lol:

[Stylo]

I mean, they aren't wrong in either sense....

Then you're giving a tick to both Trump and Putin.

Please spread your alt right opinions somewhere else. You won't say whe're you're from rather than not here.

You're a Traitor. Go to the airport and book a ticket. Your posts are non-sensical.

[TheDemonLord]

Then you're giving a tick to both Trump and Putin.

Please spread your alt right opinions somewhere else. You won't say whe're you're from rather than not here.

You're a Traitor. Go to the airport and book a ticket. Your posts are non-sensical.

You call me Alt-right, yet Ironically - your last sentence is something that someone who was actually Alt-right would post.

I've given many a tick to Trump, and will continue to do so. Everyday of Biden's presidency is a ringing endorsement of just how good Trump was.

Putin on the other hand - I can objectively say that He's Clever, that he is a Statesman, that he's a master strategist. Does that mean I like him or support him? Hell no! He's also someone who assassinates people he doesn't like in other countries - he's not a Good Guy. Just because I don't say he's insane or Stupid, doesn't mean I'm giving him a Tick. It means I'm taking him seriously and think he shouldn't be underestimated.

And I've said numerous times on here where I was Born.

[TheDemonLord]

So why are many of them now back peddling their statements post haste? :lol:

Probably because most people can't tell the difference between respecting your adversary and endorsing your adversary.

In that clip you posted, I don't see a contradiction between the two points of view.

[husaberg]

Then you're giving a tick to both Trump and Putin.

Please spread your alt right opinions somewhere else. You won't say whe're you're from rather than not here.

You're a Traitor. Go to the airport and book a ticket. Your posts are non-sensical.

You're arguing with a guy that claims that a decision voting on and in agreement by 99 percent of the MP was undemocratic....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBtsNNXjBPw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJYAcFeoSM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l71HR9F5Hoc

[sugilite]

More dumb right wing putinisyms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJoKpR6O8tM

And this from a patriot so honest, Trump had the need to fire him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4j1Fr8gWA

[TheDemonLord]

More dumb right wing putinisyms

See, the issue is - not many of those I disagree with.

Some of them seem absurd on face value (The link between Greta and Putin), however, since I've got a pretty good idea of the wider point that he's likely to be making (that is, the full context) then it's not as silly as it first seems.

Same goes for all the comments about Russia not being Woke.

Then you've got the hyperbole of 'Yes I want russia to invade Ukraine to show how crap Biden is' - perhaps a touch insensitive, but you can't deny there's a whole lot of truth in that.

Finally you've got the non-interventionist line - Not a line I agree with personally, but given the amount of Global Conflicts that have had crappy US foreign policy all over them in recent memory - maybe a *bit* of non-interventionism isn't a bad thing (or at lease, is an understandable position).

[pritch]

I've given many a tick to Trump, and will continue to do so. Everyday of Biden's presidency is a ringing endorsement of just how good Trump was.


LOL. That is just completely absurd. Completely detached from reality. Even if Joe is past his best, at least he's sane and has the USA first in his priorities and not Russia's. Unlike Trump.

Look at this photo from Helsinki where no staff were allowed in their meeting except for an interpreter, and the interpreter's notes were never released. The body language says it all.

[pritch]

Then you've got the hyperbole of 'Yes I want russia to invade Ukraine to show how crap Biden is' - perhaps a touch insensitive, but you can't deny there's a whole lot of truth in that.



Seriously, if you are so far divorced from reality you should seek professional help. Your ccondition would appear to be deteriorating.

[Laava]

As bad as Biden is, he still got more votes than even trumps election rigging could counter. Says more about how fucked up "democracy" is in the states, than anything else.

[pritch]

As bad as Biden is, he still got more votes than even trumps election rigging could counter. Says more about how fucked up "democracy" is in the states, than anything else.

It's deliberate, the Republicans know they can't win a fair election and probably never will again, so they are making sure there are no fair elections where they control them.

Interesting comment from Fiona Hill about Putin's nuclear threat. She says Putin warned Trump, but Trump didn't understand the warning.

[TheDemonLord]

LOL. That is just completely absurd. Completely detached from reality. Even if Joe is past his best, at least he's sane and has the USA first in his priorities and not Russia's. Unlike Trump.

Look at this photo from Helsinki where no staff were allowed in their meeting except for an interpreter, and the interpreter's notes were never released. The body language says it all.

Joe has the USA first in his priorities?

That's a funnier joke than Biden's presidency.

Is he Sane? I don't know - but I do know that the Left were screeching for Trump to take a test, which Trump did (and passed), yet Joe has curiously not done the same...

And here's the real kicker - I can just point to Joe's approval ratings (lower than Trumps) and say 'not even Americans think he has them first in his priorities'.

The only Detachment from Reality is that you can't bring yourself to admit that objectively Biden is a worse president in just a single year than Trump was for an entire presidency.

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously, if you are so far divorced from reality you should seek professional help. Your ccondition would appear to be deteriorating.

Au Contraire, Afghanistan 'withdrawal' happened under Biden and was the biggest US military embarrassment in my living memory (I didn't witness the fall of Saigon). And Putin has shown Biden to be utterly incompetent, again.

Yeah, it wasn't a nice thing to say - but it is what has happened.

And when even the Guardian is forced to begrudgingly admit that most people think this wouldn't have happened under Trump...

[sugilite]

Joe has the USA first in his priorities?

That's a funnier joke than Biden's presidency.

Is he Sane? I don't know - but I do know that the Left were screeching for Trump to take a test, which Trump did (and passed), yet Joe has curiously not done the same...

You fail to mention the test was exceedingly easy. It was not even one designed as an iq test, but rather detect the early signs of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. The question is why did Trump and his handlers set such a low bar? They certainly had no faith in his cognitive performance. I mean. if you were going for a job interview TDL, would you be pulling that test out your briefcase to display to them your cognitive prowess? And this is the presidency of the united states we are talking about.

Note how the article says both sides of the political divide misinterpreted the results. Hardly a shock with Americas current batch of shitty pollies on BOTH sides.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-doctor-behind-a-cognitive-test-trump-took-says-its-supposed-to-be-easy-for-people-with-no-cognitive-impairment-2020-07-20



And here's the real kicker - I can just point to Joe's approval ratings (lower than Trumps) and say 'not even Americans think he has them first in his priorities'.
Oh really? Though some of the numbers are quite close, but when these stats are taken in their entirety, Biden is significantly ahead of Trump. Your kicker is more of an own goal - as it is based on incorrect facts.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_Polling_Index:_Comparison_of_opini on_polling_during_the_Trump_and_Biden_administrati ons

[TheDemonLord]

You fail to mention the test was exceedingly easy. It was not even one designed as an iq test, but rather detect the early signs of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. The question is why did Trump and his handlers set such a low bar? They certainly had no faith in his cognitive performance. I mean. if you were going for a job interview TDL, would you be pulling that test out your briefcase to display to them your cognitive prowess? And this is the presidency of the united states we are talking about.

Doesn't matter how hard or difficult the test is, Precedent has been set - so each time Biden dodges the calls for the test, He (and the Democrats) are hypocrites.


Oh really? Though some of the numbers are quite close, but when these stats are taken in their entirety, Biden is significantly ahead of Trump. Your kicker is more of an own goal - as it is based on incorrect facts.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_Polling_Index:_Comparison_of_opini on_polling_during_the_Trump_and_Biden_administrati ons

Not really, Trump was pilloried at every opportunity by the Media, whereas Biden's farts smell of Roses and his footsteps make the grass grows.

And his approval is still below Trump. Despite having the metaphorical deck stacked in your favour, the fact you still manage to fold on the flop...

[pritch]

You fail to mention the test was exceedingly easy.

Everyone resitting their drivers licence at 80yo in NZ has to pass the same test. So even if he passed, and we don't know that, he might be judged fit to drive a car.

[TheDemonLord]

Everyone resitting their drivers licence at 80yo in NZ has to pass the same test. So even if he passed, and we don't know that, he might be judged fit to drive a car.

It was confirmed by the White house physician and the info was passed to the Democrats who (presumably because they shut up about it) accepted it.

[F5 Dave]

Biden is a plonker

Trump is a loser

TDL is . . . well, make your mind up what he is, but he can't work out that his deflection argument technique doesn't work when none of us care for Biden. And he cant work out Trump is an imbecile, a liar, a fraud, a traitor and a useless businessman dwindling away his father's not inconsiderable fortune.

[TheDemonLord]

Biden is a plonker

Trump is a loser

TDL is . . . well, make your mind up what he is, but he can't work out that his deflection argument technique doesn't work when none of us care for Biden. And he cant work out Trump is an imbecile, a liar, a fraud, a traitor and a useless businessman dwindling away his father's not inconsiderable fortune.

When you start treating Biden with the same vitriol that you treated Trump, then I'll accept that you don't care for Biden.

But even in your little blurb - you've got 'Plonker' vs 'imbecile, a liar, a fraud, a traitor and a useless businessman dwindling away his father's not inconsiderable fortune.'

Until then, I get to point to every single fuck-up by Biden and gleefully remark 'Didn't happen under Trump/Was better under Trump'

[husaberg]

Biden is a plonker

Trump is a loser

TDL is . . . well, make your mind up what he is, but he can't work out that his deflection argument technique doesn't work when none of us care for Biden. And he cant work out Trump is an imbecile, a liar, a fraud, a traitor and a useless businessman dwindling away his father's not inconsiderable fortune.

Yip.............

[pritch]

Biden is a plonker

Trump is a loser

Trump is an imbecile, a liar, a fraud, a traitor and a useless businessman dwindling away his father's not inconsiderable fortune.

Trump already disposed of daddy's fortune long since. He's been laundering Russian rubles for years. He could be in serious shit when they want payback. The Russian mafia are not known for their forgivng nature. Debts coming due and none of his businesses making money? Interesting.

Of course, right now the oligarchs have their own financial problems.

[sugilite]

Doesn't matter how hard or difficult the test is, Precedent has been set - so each time Biden dodges the calls for the test, He (and the Democrats) are hypocrites.



Not really, Trump was pilloried at every opportunity by the Media, whereas Biden's farts smell of Roses and his footsteps make the grass grows.

And his approval is still below Trump. Despite having the metaphorical deck stacked in your favour, the fact you still manage to fold on the flop...

Hold it, hmmmm So a blatant fib that the difficulty of a test does not matter, then it is onto repeating false claims despite having been shown proof that facts say otherwise - OMG! I hope I don't get banned for this, as I know doxing is frowned upon. But I just realized who TDL really is - Folks, I present to you..... Rudolph William Louis Giuliani! :laugh:

https://i.insider.com/5fbc2bc532f2170011f70c54?auto=webp&enable=upscale&fit=crop&format=jpeg&quality=85&width=832&height=624

[TheDemonLord]

Hold it, hmmmm So a blatant fib that the difficulty of a test does not matter, then it is onto repeating false claims despite having been shown proof that facts say otherwise - OMG! I hope I don't get banned for this, as I know doxing is frowned upon. But I just realized who TDL really is - Folks, I present to you..... Rudolph William Louis Giuliani! :laugh:

Lol - :laugh::laugh::laugh:

But again, where did I mention the difficulty of the test? All I said was the precedent had been set - watching snippets of the State of the Union, Biden's public speaking is (and I'm being charitable here) sub-optimal.

And not in the way that Trump was un-statesman like 'It's going to be big, it's going to be the biggest AND the Best in all the world, not just America, the world, because I'm Trump and I do Big and Best', but in a doddery old man who isn't all there kinda way.

Tripping over his words, loosing his flow, struggling to pronounce things.

[pritch]

It was confirmed by the White house physician and the info was passed to the Democrats who (presumably because they shut up about it) accepted it.

The White House physician at the time was a drunk who dispensed medications so freely his nickname was the candy man. He faced an inquiry into sexual improprieties and creating a hostile work environment. I wouldn't believe a word he said, but OK you do you..

[sugilite]

Lol - :laugh::laugh::laugh:

But again, where did I mention the difficulty of the test?
Right here
Doesn't matter how hard or difficult the test is


All I said was the precedent had been set - watching snippets of the State of the Union, Biden's public speaking is (and I'm being charitable here) sub-optimal.
Clearly you forgot the earlier snippet in your same post. Cognitive difficulty? I know an easy test for that :lol:


But in a doddery old man who isn't all there kinda way.
You know there is much Trump material out there showing the same things?


I know you find it tough when people agree with you, but we all agree with you that Biden is a doddery old man ill equipped to be in power, sorry I cannot help you with your maga blind spot ;)

It is always a laugh when you defend trump with the good ole gloss over of he is a typical new yorker bravado, best biggest blah, blah. But really mate - the real term is LYING.

Example, in the clip below, we see trump struggling down a ramp, could be for all sorts of reasons, likely a temporary injury. But he comes out and tells us it was wet, slippery and he ran down the last 10 feet or what ever. In your world, bravado? In most peoples world, after watching the video - simply a blatant lie. Furthermore, lets flip it, lets swap out trump for biden, you would be dining out on that clip for weeks and denouncing Biden as a liar and fraud for saying he "ran" the last part. So much of the criticism of Trump is absolutely bought upon himself - with needless lies, opps sorry - bravado.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tszIXno2Q8

[TheDemonLord]

The White House physician at the time was a drunk who dispensed medications so freely his nickname was the candy man. He faced an inquiry into sexual improprieties and creating a hostile work environment. I wouldn't believe a word he said, but OK you do you..

So, a fully qualified American Doctor then?

:laugh::laugh:

Although wasn't he appointed by Obama?

[sugilite]

So, a fully qualified American Doctor then?

:laugh::laugh:

Although wasn't he appointed by Obama?

Crikey Rudy, I see you are having a fact free Friday!
"Ronny Lynn Jackson (born May 4, 1967) is an American physician, Republican politician, and retired United States Navy rear admiral who is the U.S. representative for Texas's 13th congressional district.

Jackson joined the White House Medical Unit in the mid-2000s under George W. Bush"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson

[TheDemonLord]

Right here

Clearly you forgot the earlier snippet in your same post. Cognitive difficulty? I know an easy test for that :lol:

No, because I'm clearly not making a comment based on the test being easy or difficult - that's irrelevant to me, I didn't raise the difficulty as point of contention - only that the test had been done, and based on the standards the Democrats set for Trump, it's now appropriate for Biden to take the same test, for the same reasons

but he avoids this question.


You know there is much Trump material out there showing the same things?

I've listened to full Trump speeches, I've listened to full Biden speeches. Trump never sounds as muddled as Biden is, He's quick witted and he reacts to the Crowd. Sure he might trip on the occassional word (who doesn't) but nowhere near as bad as Biden was in the State of the Union.


I know you find it tough when people agree with you, but we all agree with you that Biden is a doddery old man ill equipped to be in power, sorry I cannot help you with your maga blind spot ;)

And when you all treat Biden with the same vitriol you treated Trump for 4 years, maybe I'll agree with you.


It is always a laugh when you defend trump with the good ole gloss over of he is a typical new yorker bravado, best biggest blah, blah. But really mate - the real term is LYING.

I've always liked this quote from Jordan Peterson on this:


I think the spontaneous, impulsive lies of Trump are not self-evidently worse than the planned, manipulative lies of Clinton.

Trump says it's gonna be the biggest, best, greatest - whatever - Sure - it's a lie - does it in anyway seriously alter what he means?


Example, in the clip below, we see trump struggling down a ramp, could be for all sorts of reasons, likely a temporary injury. But he comes out and tells us it was wet, slippery and he ran down the last 10 feet or what ever. In your world, bravado? In most peoples world, after watching the video - simply a blatant lie. Furthermore, lets flip it, lets swap out trump for biden, you would be dining out on that clip for weeks and denouncing Biden as a liar and fraud for saying he "ran" the last part. So much of the criticism of Trump is absolutely bought upon himself - with needless lies, opps sorry - bravado.

Actually, I wouldn't.

I could post every little faux pas, Hair-Sniffing, Creepy Old Man, mispoke of Biden's (like you all do with Trump), but I don't.

Case in point - remember how everyone (The Media, Pritch, Husa etc.) were mocking Trump for saying 'Airport' in regards to the Revolutionary War? Whereas to anyone with any knowledge would have known that he meant 'Port'? (and probably just out of habit called it an Airport instead of just port)?

I could have posted up Biden's quote of 'We've assembled the greatest Electoral Fraud Team' and prattled on about that (like everyone does with Trump...) - but I don't.

Because clearly Biden meant Anti-Fraud team. See, I'm willing to grant Biden a lot of leeway on some issues (the minor ones), his recent State of the Union though - in places he sounded borderline Drunk in terms of how bad his speech was. That's something I've never heard from any Trump speech.

And again - the precedent has been set by the Democrats insisting Trump took a test (which he did) so now there is every reason to insist Biden takes the same test.

[TheDemonLord]

Crikey Rudy, I see you are having a fact free Friday!
"Ronny Lynn Jackson (born May 4, 1967) is an American physician, Republican politician, and retired United States Navy rear admiral who is the U.S. representative for Texas's 13th congressional district.

Jackson joined the White House Medical Unit in the mid-2000s under George W. Bush"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson

Oh Dear, Oh Dear.

One should scroll a little:


Physician to the President
In office
July 25, 2013 – March 28, 2018
President Barack Obama
Donald Trump

[sugilite]

Oh Dear, Oh Dear.

One should scroll a little:

I knew that, but he was originally appointed by Bush - Ooofff

[sugilite]

No, because I'm clearly not making a comment based on the test being easy or difficult - that's irrelevant to me, I didn't raise the difficulty as point of contention - only that the test had been done, and based on the standards the Democrats set for Trump, it's now appropriate for Biden to take the same test, for the same reasons
If course whether the test is easy or not is relevant, it is simply rather that it is inconvenient to your Trump is a really smart guy narrative. Do you think I do not notice that is pretty much the case every time you roll out the good ole "that is irrelevant to me". An easy test is barely a test. The fact Trump and team chose such an easy test speaks volumes, despite you saying it does not. Further, Trump did not take it because the dems asked him too, it is because he and his team became alarmed at how many people were starting to notice how bad Trump actually is. I mean, come on, since when did Trump EVER do something just because the dems asked him to?



I've listened to full Trump speeches, I've listened to full Biden speeches. Trump never sounds as muddled as Biden is, He's quick witted and he reacts to the Crowd. Sure he might trip on the occassional word (who doesn't) but nowhere near as bad as Biden was in the State of the Union.
So you are saying what? Trying to confirm what everyone else in this thread has been saying all along, that Biden is too old and doddery to do the job? You just cannot seem to grasp that we all agree with you :lol:




And when you all treat Biden with the same vitriol you treated Trump for 4 years, maybe I'll agree with you.
If you bothered to think about it, you would realize I've barely ever said anything positive about Biden. Simply put, Trump just gives me sooooo much more material to work with.




I've always liked this quote from Jordan Peterson on this:
Just a standard TDL what aboutism - You know full well I credit pollies with being lying pieces of shit. I'm referencing directly your words that trump is all bravado etc, but in actual fact, as you well know - they are simply lies.




Trump says it's gonna be the biggest, best, greatest - whatever - Sure - it's a lie - does it in anyway seriously alter what he means?
If course it does, when he said his father was born in Germany, he meant - his father was born in Germany. Was his father born in Germany - No. Did he need to lie? No, Why did he lie? Only he really knows, but I suspect it was to grow an affinity with the Germans - but under false pretenses. Did that lie matter. Yes, if course it did. Are the US presidents words important? Is it important that the presidents words be taken at face value? If course - except for people that have trumps nuts firmly on their chin.




Actually, I wouldn't.

I could post every little faux pas, Hair-Sniffing, Creepy Old Man, mispoke of Biden's (like you all do with Trump), but I don't.
And neither did I, I simply could not have kept up with Trumps daily dribble, oh sorry, Bravado.



Case in point - remember how everyone (The Media, Pritch, Husa etc.) were mocking Trump for saying 'Airport' in regards to the Revolutionary War? Whereas to anyone with any knowledge would have known that he meant 'Port'? (and probably just out of habit called it an Airport instead of just port)?
Did you talk to Trump personally about that did you? He must have got over his paper thin skin and actually admitted to you he made a mistake :lol:


I could have posted up Biden's quote of 'We've assembled the greatest Electoral Fraud Team' and prattled on about that (like everyone does with Trump...) - but I don't.

Because clearly Biden meant Anti-Fraud team. See, I'm willing to grant Biden a lot of leeway on some issues (the minor ones), his recent State of the Union though - in places he sounded borderline Drunk in terms of how bad his speech was. That's something I've never heard from any Trump speech.
Both connotations work for me, but I see where you are going with that. I have absolutely seen speeches where trump appears to be very incoherent, so is Biden. Douche vs Turd sandwich - welcome to USA modern politics.



And again - the precedent has been set by the Democrats insisting Trump took a test (which he did) so now there is every reason to insist Biden takes the same test.
OK, sure why not. Biden should do a test designed for 5 year olds, because the difficulty of the test is not relevant according to you - right?

[F5 Dave]

All of which why TDL is on ignore. I'm thinking his login is a Bot with a very simple algorithm that is in need of an update to be even slightly convincing.

[TheDemonLord]

If course whether the test is easy or not is relevant, it is simply rather that it is inconvenient to your Trump is a really smart guy narrative. Do you think I do not notice that is pretty much the case every time you roll out the good ole "that is irrelevant to me". An easy test is barely a test. The fact Trump and team chose such an easy test speaks volumes, despite you saying it does not. Further, Trump did not take it because the dems asked him too, it is because he and his team became alarmed at how many people were starting to notice how bad Trump actually is. I mean, come on, since when did Trump EVER do something just because the dems asked him to?

I base my 'Trump is Smart' narrative on his Accomplishments. He's reached the top in multiple disciplines. Very few people reach the top in any one discipline, he's done it in several.

You keep trying to make this about whether the test is easy or not - never been a contention of mine, on this issue. All I've said is - Precedent has been set, I expect Biden to follow suit, if he refuses, then I get to infer that it's because he can't.

As for why Trump did it: To make the Democrats look petty and foolish.


So you are saying what? Trying to confirm what everyone else in this thread has been saying all along, that Biden is too old and doddery to do the job? You just cannot seem to grasp that we all agree with you :lol:

If you bothered to think about it, you would realize I've barely ever said anything positive about Biden. Simply put, Trump just gives me sooooo much more material to work with.

As I said, when you treat Biden with the same contempt you've treated Trump for the past 4 years, I'll agree.

Until then, If Trump did half the things Biden has done, you'd be clamouring at me like a pack of screeching Sirens.


Just a standard TDL what aboutism - You know full well I credit pollies with being lying pieces of shit. I'm referencing directly your words that trump is all bravado etc, but in actual fact, as you well know - they are simply lies.

Let me put it this way:

If a Politician said they did a 10 Km run in the morning, but we found out it was just a 2 km walk, that's much less egregious to me than a Politician saying that they've reduced the number of people on Unemployment Benefits, when in actual fact - they've just reclassified a large proportion as Disabled Benefits.

Should all Politicians be fully truthful in everything they say and do? Sure.

Does that mean that all lies are equal? Certainly not. Most of the things you and others point to Trump lying about are in the former category as far as I'm concerned - I know you disagree with this answer and don't really accept it - but that's my honest opinion (and yes, I'm well aware of the Irony in that statement).

If you let all of those ones slide and only drilled him on the times he's actually lied (and yes, he has, even as a Trump fan, like me and Ben Shapiro - we can happily say Trump has done bad things), you might get a little more charity from me.


If course it does, when he said his father was born in Germany, he meant - his father was born in Germany. Was his father born in Germany - No. Did he need to lie? No, Why did he lie? Only he really knows, but I suspect it was to grow an affinity with the Germans - but under false pretenses. Did that lie matter. Yes, if course it did. Are the US presidents words important? Is it important that the presidents words be taken at face value? If course - except for people that have trumps nuts firmly on their chin.

See above - I can agree with you that all Lies are bad, does this Lie affect Policy or is it misleading the voters on a voter issue?


And neither did I, I simply could not have kept up with Trumps daily dribble, oh sorry, Bravado.

You did it far more for Trump than I could for Biden.


Did you talk to Trump personally about that did you? He must have got over his paper thin skin and actually admitted to you he made a mistake :lol:

The historical event he was talking about was the capturing of a Port. In the speech he said Airport, I think it's not the greatest leap of Logic to infer what has happened.



Both connotations work for me, but I see where you are going with that. I have absolutely seen speeches where trump appears to be very incoherent, so is Biden. Douche vs Turd sandwich - welcome to USA modern politics.

Trump does like to go off on Tangents - but that's different from getting lost.


OK, sure why not. Biden should do a test designed for 5 year olds, because the difficulty of the test is not relevant according to you - right?

So long as it's the same one, absolutely fine by me. If Biden continues to avoid doing it - then I will continue to infer...

[sugilite]

I base my 'Trump is Smart' narrative on his Accomplishments. He's reached the top in multiple disciplines. Very few people reach the top in any one discipline, he's done it in several.
What, most casinos bankrupted?
Most million lost in one financial year?
Most draft notices dodged?



As for why Trump did it: To make the Democrats look petty and foolish.
By chossing such an easy test, he made himself look foolish - as he is prone to do.




As I said, when you treat Biden with the same contempt you've treated Trump for the past 4 years, I'll agree.

Until then, If Trump did half the things Biden has done, you'd be clamouring at me like a pack of screeching Sirens.
Give it time, it has not been much longer than a year. Up to now, Biden simply does not do the sheer volume of stupid shit that trump did. Cannot be plainer than that.




Let me put it this way:

If a Politician said they did a 10 Km run in the morning, but we found out it was just a 2 km walk, that's much less egregious to me than a Politician saying that they've reduced the number of people on Unemployment Benefits, when in actual fact - they've just reclassified a large proportion as Disabled Benefits.

Should all Politicians be fully truthful in everything they say and do? Sure.

Does that mean that all lies are equal? Certainly not. Most of the things you and others point to Trump lying about are in the former category as far as I'm concerned - I know you disagree with this answer and don't really accept it - but that's my honest opinion (and yes, I'm well aware of the Irony in that statement).

If you let all of those ones slide and only drilled him on the times he's actually lied (and yes, he has, even as a Trump fan, like me and Ben Shapiro - we can happily say Trump has done bad things), you might get a little more charity from me.
Herein lies the problem, when someone lies near every time they open their mouth, when can they ever be taken at their word? What you call his "style" is still a bunch of lies. We are way beyond boy crying wolf here. If you have to question if a president is being serious, over exaggerating or just outright lying on near every thing he utters - what ever way you try to cut it, that is a major problem.



See above - I can agree with you that all Lies are bad, does this Lie affect Policy or is it misleading the voters on a voter issue?
He lied to an entire nation. That is not good under any terms.




You did it far more for Trump than I could for Biden.
And I have explained why several times.




The historical event he was talking about was the capturing of a Port. In the speech he said Airport, I think it's not the greatest leap of Logic to infer what has happened.
Says the guy that asked me for clearly confidential US, Government emails as a way of proof. I've mentioned several times about your propensity to set incredibly low bars as proof of your own argument, but nose bleed high ones for anything that goes against your arguments.






Trump does like to go off on Tangents - but that's different from getting lost.
saw him many time go of on a tangent and never make it back - that is quite lost in my book.





So long as it's the same one, absolutely fine by me. If Biden continues to avoid doing it - then I will continue to infer...

Nope, as you have strongly stated, it does not matter how hard the test is, so why does Biden have to do the same one if it is not important in the first place?

For the record, I did not give a shit whether trump did one or not, but choosing the low bar he did, did not cast him in a good light for me. I genuinely do not care if Biden takes one or not, and even if he did and failed, it just backs up what I have been saying. He is ill suited to being president - just like the last guy, and the one before that, and so on. Because all the US system can come up with is seriously crappy candidates.

Here is a video of the possible next one being a cunt to some school age kids. (Hardly upholding conservative freedom of choice values eh)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUs8yjhN2vk

Let the gloss over begin....

[F5 Dave]

Jesus fuck. This is like watching fish being shot in a barrel with a machine gun.

Actually it's like an election political debate between Bridges and Ardern.

TDL is obviously Bridges and Sugi is giving him such a comprehensive kicking its a bit cruel to watch. Take pity on the poor minded fool.

[husaberg]

Jesus fuck. This is like watching fish being shot in a barrel with a machine gun.

Actually it's like an election political debate between Bridges and Ardern.

TDL is obviously Bridges and Sugi is giving him such a comprehensive kicking its a bit cruel to watch. Take pity on the poor minded fool.

TBH TLDR is more Gerry Brownlee
All the charisma of a wet teatowel

[Kickaha]

Case in point - remember how everyone (The Media, Pritch, Husa etc.) were mocking Trump for saying 'Airport' in regards to the Revolutionary War? Whereas to anyone with any knowledge would have known that he meant 'Port'? (and probably just out of habit called it an Airport instead of just port)?



Do you think you'll ever stop being an apologist for Trump?

[pritch]

I base my 'Trump is Smart' narrative on his Accomplishments. He's reached the top in multiple disciplines. Very few people reach the top in any one discipline, he's done it in several.

You keep trying to make this about whether the test is easy or not - never been a contention of mine, on this issue. All I've said is - Precedent has been set, I expect Biden to follow suit, if he refuses, then I get to infer that it's because he can't.





I'm not reading the whole post, this was enough.

Trump reached the top in multiple disciplines? Bollocks. He has never succeeded at anything except possibly being a conman. He certainly conned you. The only impressive thing about him is the list of failed businesses. He blew through a billion dollars including the genius move of actually bankrupting casinos. He was broke until the Russians rode to the rescue.

Now you are worried about precedent? What about presidents releasing tax returns?

Trump is a crook but it seems Biden is worried about the reputation of the office of president, and Trump may skate away yet again. Doesn't mean he's innocent.

[TheDemonLord]

Do you think you'll ever stop being an apologist for Trump?

Maybe when he gets treated fairly...

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not reading the whole post, this was enough.

Trump reached the top in multiple disciplines? Bollocks. He has never succeeded at anything except possibly being a conman. He certainly conned you. The only impressive thing about him is the list of failed businesses. He blew through a billion dollars including the genius move of actually bankrupting casinos. He was broke until the Russians rode to the rescue.

He is/was a Property Magnate - not many people get to do that.
He is/was a Billionaire - even less people get to do that.
He is/was the host of a world-wide popular TV Show - Of those that achieved the first 2, even less achieve this.
Finally, he was the President of the US.

Let's say for the sake of argument that he Conned his way into the top of all of those disciplines - are you trying to say that doesn't demonstrate a high degree of Intelligence? Conning one person in one specialist area is hard. Conning multiple people across multiple specialist disciplines is even harder.

So even IF he's a Conman, it still means he's clever.


Now you are worried about precedent? What about presidents releasing tax returns?

I've never given one iota about any President's tax returns. However, doing something voluntarily is not the same as it being demanded by one political faction. The Democrats demanded a test, Trump did one.

Now the Republicans, under the same pretext, are demanding Biden take the same test and....

Crickets and Avoidance.


Trump is a crook but it seems Biden is worried about the reputation of the office of president, and Trump may skate away yet again. Doesn't mean he's innocent.

You serious? Biden has pissed away more prestige with just the Afghanistan failure than Trump did in 4 years.

This is a perfect example of the point I'm making: You've got massively different standards for Trump than for Biden.

[Berries]

I thought he was quite good on the Apprentice.




That's the TV show by the way, not the 22yo Epstein introduced him to.

Allegedly.

[Laava]

I thought he was quite good on the Apprentice.
He would have been good on Judge Judy too...

[F5 Dave]

I would have liked to see him on one of those 80s Japanese survival shows.

[Kickaha]

You serious? Biden has pissed away more prestige with just the Afghanistan failure than Trump did in 4 years.

You mean for completing a withdrawal for an agreement made under Trump with the Taliban with no Afghan Government involvement ? you mean that failure ?

[husaberg]

You mean for completing a withdrawal for an agreement made under Trump with the Taliban with no Afghan Government involvement ? you mean that failure ?

Not to mention the 5000 fighters he released form prison

[TheDemonLord]

You mean for completing a withdrawal for an agreement made under Trump with the Taliban with no Afghan Government involvement ? you mean that failure ?

No, I mean the one where Biden moved the date, withdraw the Military first and caused the biggest loss of US Military prestige since the fall of Saigon.

That Failure.

[Laava]

You mean for completing a withdrawal for an agreement made under Trump with the Taliban with no Afghan Government involvement ? you mean that failure ?
Hahaha, slapped down like a dunny lid! 😄😄😄👍

[TheDemonLord]

What, most casinos bankrupted?
Most million lost in one financial year?
Most draft notices dodged?

See the post to Pritch - To do any one of those things is difficult, complex and requires a great deal of competency.


By chossing such an easy test, he made himself look foolish - as he is prone to do.

The claim was that he had cognitive decline, so he took a test proving he didn't...


Give it time, it has not been much longer than a year. Up to now, Biden simply does not do the sheer volume of stupid shit that trump did. Cannot be plainer than that.

Yeah, Nah.

Biden has done plenty of Stupid Shit, but most of it isn't blown out of proportion or deceptively edited by a complicit media.


Herein lies the problem, when someone lies near every time they open their mouth, when can they ever be taken at their word? What you call his "style" is still a bunch of lies. We are way beyond boy crying wolf here. If you have to question if a president is being serious, over exaggerating or just outright lying on near every thing he utters - what ever way you try to cut it, that is a major problem.

This is a good point in there, but I take issue with the absolutist nature of it. Do you mean to say a Politician is never allowed to use Hyperbole or figures of speech or any other rhetorical devices?

At some point (and we can argue as to where that point is), there are flourishes of speech that to a native english speaker are clearly that - Flourishes. I don't think they can be included in the category of 'lies'.

Now, if you exclude all of those, there are still some Trump whoppers to work with - and on those you'll find conservative commentators (like Ben Shapiro as a good example) more than happy to criticize Trump - and on those, the critique is fair. The problem is that if it's just limited to those, the mythos and narrative of 'Trump biggest liar ever' isn't half as convincing.


He lied to an entire nation. That is not good under any terms.

Sure - Is it lying about having an Affair? or spying on your political opponents? or that Iraq had WMDs? From a pragmatic view - what damage did this do to America and the American pubic?

But if it makes you happy, yes - he shouldn't have done it.



And I have explained why several times.

You may have explained, but the explanation has a number of holes in it.


Says the guy that asked me for clearly confidential US, Government emails as a way of proof. I've mentioned several times about your propensity to set incredibly low bars as proof of your own argument, but nose bleed high ones for anything that goes against your arguments.

I never *actually* asked you specifically for that, I only asked a Rhetorical knowing you didn't have the proof to back it up ;)

I usually try to source the proof for my Arguments using sources that go against their own Biases - such as The Guardian saying something positive about Trump.


saw him many time go of on a tangent and never make it back - that is quite lost in my book.

Can't say I agree, I've heard him move on, heard him react to the crowd.

This may be because he's not much of a Teleprompter type speaker and prefers to just wing it, but Biden's state of the Union... There are some clips in that where he sounds Drunk he's muddling his words that badly.


Nope, as you have strongly stated, it does not matter how hard the test is, so why does Biden have to do the same one if it is not important in the first place?

The difficulty isn't the issue. Biden's refusal to take the test is. Now - I'll grant you, that he could take the test, pass and it would be a big nothing-burger - that isn't my issue either. The issue is that Democrats/Biden see themselves as beyond reproach:

We can call others Senile and demand they prove they aren't, but we know we aren't senile and don't have to prove anything to anyone.



For the record, I did not give a shit whether trump did one or not, but choosing the low bar he did, did not cast him in a good light for me. I genuinely do not care if Biden takes one or not, and even if he did and failed, it just backs up what I have been saying. He is ill suited to being president - just like the last guy, and the one before that, and so on. Because all the US system can come up with is seriously crappy candidates.

Getting warmer, a bit more irrational hatred of Biden and I will consider you giving both Presidents equal amounts of grief ;)


Here is a video of the possible next one being a cunt to some school age kids. (Hardly upholding conservative freedom of choice values eh)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUs8yjhN2vk

Let the gloss over begin....

I mean... this makes me like Ron more and more. It's hardly being a Cunt - but the key takeaway is this: 'This is silly - you can wear it if you want to, but you shouldn't do it' - and most of the kids smiled and took it off is telling.

You ever see a kid smiling when someone is bullying them to do something they don't wanna do?

Me neither.

The fact that this is being posted as some form of 'Gotcha' is even funnier.

Edit: Even the Babylon Bee is getting on the band-wagon of this 'own': https://babylonbee.com/news/ron-desantis-bullies-kids-into-doing-whatever-they-want

[husaberg]

Hahaha, slapped down like a dunny lid! 😄😄😄👍

Careful he may start to multiquote you....

[Laava]

What does that look like when you have the person/bot on ignore?
I only see his dumb shit when people quote it.
Someone should give him a motorbike/job.

[husaberg]

What does that look like when you have the person/bot on ignore?

Same as if he doesn't thankfully.:laugh:
you also have to turn off quote notifications as even on ignore, it will still fill up your notifications.
what I was meaning is the endless multi quote assault is his answer for stuff he clearly can't sanely disagree with....


https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/putin-trump-helsinki-meeting-funny-reactions-22-5b4f274dc57f2__700.jpg

[pete376403]

No, I mean the one where Biden moved the date, withdraw the Military first and caused the biggest loss of US Military prestige since the fall of Saigon.

That Failure.

If you are a soldier who didn't die because he was withdrawn home from the battlefield you probably couldn't give one tiny shit about military prestige.
"the tumult and the shouting dies, the captains and the king depart" - those who care most about prestige are usually those who don't get killed providing said prestige. TDL - ever been in the military? And I would guess - if you were, your rank was REMF.

[husaberg]

If you are a soldier who didn't die because he was withdrawn home from the battlefield you probably couldn't give one tiny shit about military prestige.
"the tumult and the shouting dies, the captains and the king depart" - those who care most about prestige are usually those who don't get killed providing said prestige. TDL - ever been in the military? And I would guess - if you were, your rank was REMF.
you have to wonder what these comments did for American military prestige?
The same person who was impeached for withholding nearly $400 million in military aid from Ukraine.
Also said

Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’ Donald Trump


According to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.



In a 2018 White House planning meeting for such an event, Trump asked his staff not to include wounded veterans, on grounds that spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees.



On at least two occasions since becoming president, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his views, Trump referred to former President George H. W. Bush as a “loser” for being shot down by the Japanese as a Navy pilot in World War II.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/03/jan-6-panel-sees-evidence-of-trump-criminal-conspiracy.html

[TheDemonLord]

If you are a soldier who didn't die because he was withdrawn home from the battlefield you probably couldn't give one tiny shit about military prestige.

Oh, you went there?

How about there were more US Soldiers killed in and due to Biden's terrible withdrawal than there were in the last 18 months of Trump's presidency?
Shall I post up all the comments by Veterens who were embarassed by the failure of the Withdrawal - They definitely give a shit about Military Prestige - because they know that a perception of a Strong US Military acts as a deterrent to what is happening in the Ukraine right now.


Okay - How about zero
"the tumult and the shouting dies, the captains and the king depart" - those who care most about prestige are usually those who don't get killed providing said prestige. TDL - ever been in the military? And I would guess - if you were, your rank was REMF.

I've stated I never served - did want to be an RAF pilot when I grew up, but the lack of a Combat Air wing in NZ kinda thwarted that idea.

[pritch]

Shall I post up all the comments by Veterens who were embarassed by the failure of the Withdrawal - They definitely give a shit about Military Prestige - because they know that a perception of a Strong US Military acts as a deterrent to what is happening in the Ukraine right now.



The veterans i see didn't post anything like that. Many of them think that FOX should be taken off the TVs on military bases. I agree. They used to get just the AFRTS, I guess now they get whatever is on cable TV.

[TheDemonLord]

The veterans i see didn't post anything like that.

I saw many, across places such as YouTube, TikTok, LinkedIn etc. etc. making comments about how annoyed they were at the withdrawal and how it made the US look weak and therefore increased the likelyhood of further aggresson.


Many of them think that FOX should be taken off the TVs on military bases. I agree. They used to get just the AFRTS, I guess now they get whatever is on cable TV.

Most of the ones I'm listening to/talking to don't mention Fox either.

[pete376403]

I've stated I never served - did want to be an RAF pilot when I grew up, but the lack of a Combat Air wing in NZ kinda thwarted that idea.

This is a bit odd - you were born and raised in the UK, wanted to be in the RAF. OK understood no doubt lots of kids wanted the same thing. OK so how does RNZAFs lack of a combat wing stymie that? If you got into the RAF surely they would have had planes you could fly there.

[F5 Dave]

I wanted to be a billionaire, but someone had already taken all the money. :wacko:

[Kickaha]

I wanted to be a billionaire, but someone had already taken all the money. :wacko:

What a pack of cunts

[TheDemonLord]

This is a bit odd - you were born and raised in the UK, wanted to be in the RAF. OK understood no doubt lots of kids wanted the same thing. OK so how does RNZAFs lack of a combat wing stymie that? If you got into the RAF surely they would have had planes you could fly there.

Only ever wanted to fly fast jets - Tornados, Jaguars or even the Eurofighter.

Flying a C-130 or a Huey or even a P8 just doesn't do it for me.

[nerrrd]

Only ever wanted to fly fast jets - Tornados, Jaguars or even the Eurofighter.

Flying a C-130 or a Huey or even a P8 just doesn't do it for me.

Had a friend at school who joined the RNZAF, he had his pilot’s licence long before that though. He was kind enough to take me up once and only once thanks to my almost instantaneous need for the supplied sick bag. He ended up flying helicopters I think, must have been the Iroquois back then.

[Viking01]

Don,
You make a proposal, and yet they still continue to scorn you.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese

Seems a man can't get a decent (court) hearing these days.

[pritch]

Just checked my GMail account, I don't normally use it. Nothing there but about fifty begging letters from Trump including a couple of special offers to join Truth Social as a founding member.

I'm seeing comments that Trump is very unhappy at how his new social media project is going. Or actually, how it's not going. I can't imagine why he's surprised, every business he has ever had has failed.

The main interest now is guessing who will sue who. Will Nunes sue Trump, or will Trump sue Nunes? Both have a reputation as being litigious but Nunes has been more creative, having tried to sue an imaginary cow and tried to sue his 'mother' among others.

[pritch]

Despite owning one jet he can’t afford to operate, ‘billionaire’ Trump is begging the gullible to give him funds to buy a private jet. Should his con be successful the new acquisition will be dubbed “Trump Force One.” Almost as if he was President - but isn’t.

[sugilite]

The claim was that he had cognitive decline, so he took a test proving he didn't...
Or to put it in a more truthful light, he took an easy test proving he did not have the onset of alzheimer's.




Yeah, Nah.

Biden has done plenty of Stupid Shit, but most of it isn't blown out of proportion or deceptively edited by a complicit media.
The right leaning media would never do the same? Cry me a river.





This is a good point in there, but I take issue with the absolutist nature of it. Do you mean to say a Politician is never allowed to use Hyperbole or figures of speech or any other rhetorical devices?

At some point (and we can argue as to where that point is), there are flourishes of speech that to a native english speaker are clearly that - Flourishes. I don't think they can be included in the category of 'lies'.

Now, if you exclude all of those, there are still some Trump whoppers to work with - and on those you'll find conservative commentators (like Ben Shapiro as a good example) more than happy to criticize Trump - and on those, the critique is fair. The problem is that if it's just limited to those, the mythos and narrative of 'Trump biggest liar ever' isn't half as convincing.
Hyperbole or figures of speech used judicially is fine, near every time the mouth is opened, ala Trump is a major problem. Nit pick it all you like, but a leader that requires one to constantly question is this truth, hyperbole or lies is in no way a good thing.



Sure - Is it lying about having an Affair? or spying on your political opponents? or that Iraq had WMDs? From a pragmatic view - what damage did this do to America and the American pubic?

Screwing stormy daniels whilst melania is carrying their son around is quite poor form yes? I'm sure all the pollies all spy on each other, likely paying swamp like creatures to do it. And lies, lies and more lies undermines democracy (they all do it, trump just took it to dizzy new heights).




Can't say I agree, I've heard him move on, heard him react to the crowd.

This may be because he's not much of a Teleprompter type speaker and prefers to just wing it
You likely missed him not getting back on track because you were on a trump hyperbole high Weeeeeeeeeeee.


but Biden's state of the Union... There are some clips in that where he sounds Drunk he's muddling his words that badly.
I simply took you at your word on this, then I saw the video below. Please tell me it was more than that, because if you are rounding on Biden over that inconsequential damp squib lot, then your tears over trump being mistreated and maligned are crocodile tears and most, or maybe you really are just a total trump fan boi and are genuinely upset.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9GIG0KIadw






I mean... this makes me like Ron more and more. It's hardly being a Cunt - but the key takeaway is this: 'This is silly - you can wear it if you want to, but you shouldn't do it' - and most of the kids smiled and took it off is telling.

You ever see a kid smiling when someone is bullying them to do something they don't wanna do?

Actually yes, I have seen a kid smiling while being bullied, well I would of if I had a mirror at the time because it was me.

I've debated about sharing this painful part of my past, but under the guise of this stuff should be talked about more, I have decided to share. At least it is buried in a multi quote to you, so not many will see it. Believe it or not, this is a nutshell version.
At 12, I made friends with 2 of the most popular boys at the school, I was the comedian of the group. One of them had a very generous (so I thought) grandmother who gave him $10 everyday - a fortune at the time. So my mate spent up large on us at the local dairy - awesome. Until the dairy owner reported this strangeness to the school principle. The only one the dairy owner knew was me, he knew my father. So I got hauled in first. Turns out my mates grandmother had sold her house, moved in with them and kept the money under her bed, which he helped himself too. Because I was first, I was labeled a nark. Queue many beatings over the next few months until my parents moved me to another city.
Things went swimmingly well there for 6 months, before a bored influential group of kids blamed me for something I had nothing to do with. Queue more beatings, much worse this time. Anyone dared to be my friend was beaten too to keep me isolated. I had to go past 12 and more of them just to get to and from the school bus. I found a series of storm water drains to wriggle through to avoid them. Fun. I was so stressed out, anxiety panicked the whole works that I never slept until dawn. So 2 hours sleep max. About that time, my older sisters army mate offered to take me palmy on weekends to get away from it all. This translated to sexually abusing me, and he was not the only pedo that took advantage of my situation. Left school with zero qualifications. Discovered motorcycles, they were wonderful devices that took me away from humans. I do not think it is an over exaggeration to say motorcycles literally saved my life. In a cruel twist of fate, I weirdly slowly grew until I was 24. I could of done with that 2 meter height a lot sooner.

So, yeah, often when I would get belittled and bullied, I would smile, embarrassed, earned me many more punches to the face for being a smart prick, would of been nice to of learned to control my facial expressions. When I look at that video, I see their eyes, and their embarrassed smiles. They have just been belittled by a very powerful man in front of many, many people. They were given the illusion of choice by being told you can wear a mask but this is ridiculous - coming from a powerfull leader is that really a choice? Fuck no. The later satirical article you posted, will just heap more misery on these boys who will now almost certainly be bullied by their peers.

All desantos cared about is the optics. A good man would of said nothing, a great man would of made the boys day by saying something nice to them. A weak man belittles them all in the name of optics that at that point, did not even really matter.
Watching the video again, I see the suited goon to desantos left. The smug look on that cunts face made me wanna puke. He was loving the boys getting humiliated, he likely went home and had a wank over it.
Anyhoo, that will show those leftie wankers eh TDL, Yeah lets bully some young impressionable boys to trigger the lefties. What does the fact you like him even more now say to your character TDL?
So yeah with my history, I recognize bullies like desantos, and trump. They don't give a flying fuck about your precious conservative values, they were likely born into power, gained more and are just interested in keeping hold of it, no matter the cost to human decency - that does not even come into it with these low life shit heads. You may cheer them on because they trigger your much hated left. I do not cut them any slack what so ever. They could choose to be great - however they choose to be arseholes - and they are well practiced at it.

[pritch]

Another week another con...

[sugilite]

Truth Social near dead on arrival - to late for the defibrillator paddles?

https://medium.com/politics-mostly/7-reasons-why-trumps-truth-social-is-failing-spectacularly-341ab0043e38
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/05/truth-social-emptiness-donald-trump-00014355
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/09/trumps-truth-social-fails-to-make-a-splash-in-maga-world-00015427

Check out the growth curve on the graph for the apps Category Ranking History. Par of the course for a Trump business :sunny:
https://app.sensortower.com/ios/us/t-media-tech-llc/app/truth-social/1586018825/overview

Even Trump has no faith in it, he does not even post in his own app :facepalm:

[Laava]

I bet there are a couple of feverish posters from Kiwibiker there!

[pritch]

Check out the growth curve on the graph for the apps Category Ranking History. Par of the course for a Trump business :sunny:


Was just reminded that Truth Social was just supposed to be part of a Trump media empire. There was going to be a Trump TV network too. I guess when Truth Social goes tits up, like all the other Trump businesses, that'll be the end of Trump TV too.

[Berries]

that'll be the end of Trump TV too.
He may not be the President anymore but not sure you can talk about his wife like that.

[sugilite]

Trump really lays into the dictators here, as in lays down and gives them a darn good cuddle :laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U53nZOLs-2Y

[Stylo]

Trump really lays into the dictators here, as in lays down and gives them a darn good cuddle :laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U53nZOLs-2Y

Trump makes no more sense now than he ever did. He's making it worse.

The legion of stupid however still hang on to his every statement. Even if it contrasts with his last one. Fox 'News' should be taken off the network. Hannity and his co-horts should be barred for the simple reason that they are anti - American and anti democracy.

[pritch]

This was an interview Trump did recently with some MMA fighters who have a podcast. He rambles on a lot but he's asked how he sees the situation developing in Ukraine and launches into his standard spiel on wind turbines.

If you don't have spare time or a strong stomach start at the 2.55 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt66kzvaXRs

[sugilite]

Duh, he cannot criticize putin because of all the russian money he owes. I've seen some posters state US Presidents should not have to disclose tax records. I say it is hyper critical to know that a person in possession of such vast power needs to prove they are not beholden to outside pressures. I think they should not just have to release tax records, but all financial business dealings. Tough shit if it is sensitive. Want the top job? Be prepared to sacrifice. Simple.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERsFVMJSJg

[sugilite]

Ahhh, the old "do you know who I am? Not Trump related, but yet another pollie thinking they are above the law in the US. He knew he was being filmed, but must have thought a phone call to the local sheriff would bury the footage. Think again you self entitled arsehole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SunGGUktKok

[onearmedbandit]

Fucking douchebag.

[R650R]

This was an interview Trump did recently with some MMA fighters who have a podcast. He rambles on a lot but he's asked how he sees the situation developing in Ukraine and launches into his standard spiel on wind turbines.

If you don't have spare time or a strong stomach start at the 2.55 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt66kzvaXRs

That was actually quite a good clip. Super slick when he did the windmill bit that’s how politicians roll.... but it was relevant in terms of energy security and what we now know about Russian money funding green protest groups to get the west to cripple itself.
Could be silver lining of the overall tragedy is that we are going to see who really fronts these environment outfits once Russian money is blocked long term.....


https://youtu.be/bU4JKV9Opt0

[R650R]

Cheers Pritch, yourbposts/AI have sent fresh entertainerment....

In the comments people mention a much longer interview that was taken down aka fact checked I guess....
Of note is the MMA guys appear to be drinking some cheap beer called Happy Dad????

Anyhow here’s the Don on Korea...


https://youtu.be/XchfBR7uc0k

[husaberg]

Ahhh, the old "do you know who I am? Not Trump related, but yet another pollie thinking they are above the law in the US. He knew he was being filmed, but must have thought a phone call to the local sheriff would bury the footage. Think again you self entitled arsehole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SunGGUktKok


Fucking douchebag.

Just when you think i couldnt get worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j16CnvJEElc

[sugilite]

Just when you think i couldnt get worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j16CnvJEElc

My god, did he just threaten that reporter that he would wear his swimsuit? Lock him up, lock him up! :laugh:

[pritch]

Trump has responded to the news that he was seeking donations to buy a new executive jet. The story is reported in 'The Hill' and most of what I read from that source is not really credible. This is no different.

Trump says he's getting his Boeing serviced and it will be ready in ninety days. Consider that his "beautiful new health care plan" was always coming in two weeks but has still yet to arrive. I suspect this ninety days is on the same time scale, I won't be holding my breath.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/598166-trump-i-am-not-using-campaign-funds-for-new-plane

[R650R]

Trump has responded to the news that he was seeking donations to buy a new executive jet. The story is reported in 'The Hill' and most of what I read from that source is not really credible. This is no different.

Trump says he's getting his Boeing serviced and it will be ready in ninety days. Consider that his "beautiful new health care plan" was always coming in two weeks but has still yet to arrive. I suspect this ninety days is on the same time scale, I won't be holding my breath.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/598166-trump-i-am-not-using-campaign-funds-for-new-plane


The Russia sanctions have seen some big airbus and Boeing orders cancelled so might be some going cheap

[pritch]

The Russia sanctions have seen some big airbus and Boeing orders cancelled so might be some going cheap

Umm what are you basing that on? Russia usually uses its own fine products.

[pete376403]

Umm what are you basing that on? Russia usually uses its own fine products.

Not for the flights that matter. Leasing companies are not getting their planes back. I wouldn't think Russian airlines would be leasing Illyushin or Tupolevs - more like they have to buy them whether they like it or not

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/12/business/russia-airlines-planes.html

[R650R]

Umm what are you basing that on? Russia usually uses its own fine products.

Just the facts sir, from accredited mainstream media... AP Associated Press via fluff news...

“Sanctions are also affecting the world’s two leading aircraft manufacturers, US-based Boeing and Europe’s Airbus. According to JPMorgan, Boeing has 35 of its 737 Max and 777 cargo planes on order by Russian airlines, including 30 that were scheduled to be delivered this year, and Airbus has orders for 27 planes from Russian airlines, with seven expected to be delivered this year.

AP”

[husaberg]

I wanted to be a billionaire, but someone had already taken all the money. :wacko:

If only you had had a loan of a 100m dollars

[pritch]

Just the facts sir, from accredited mainstream media... AP Associated Press via fluff news...

“Sanctions are also affecting the world’s two leading aircraft manufacturers, US-based Boeing and Europe’s Airbus. According to JPMorgan, Boeing has 35 of its 737 Max and 777 cargo planes on order by Russian airlines, including 30 that were scheduled to be delivered this year, and Airbus has orders for 27 planes from Russian airlines, with seven expected to be delivered this year.

AP”

Thanks for that. Now if you had attached that the first time...

[husaberg]

My god, did he just threaten that reporter that he would wear his swimsuit? Lock him up, lock him up! :laugh:

Republican party candidate surprise...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTORxzyg-Kw