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pritch

9th November 2020, 08:42

Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I only realised tonight that the Trump campaign song that he "danced" to was YMCA.
But then the Republicans have used Born in the USA for decades without understanding the lyrics.

CCR's 'Fortunate Son' was another one they played without checking the lyrics.

Most of the artists with the rights to the songs they used without permission sent "cease and desist" letters. This prompted Trump to describe the Rolling Stones as
"un-American."

The Village People were the exception. They were amused by the Trump campaign's use of their gay anthems.

I see that the newly famous "Four Seasons" landscaping and gardening business is planning on adding a page to their website on Monday, for people who wish to buy a commemorative T shirt.

R650R

9th November 2020, 09:16

I love that Rudy (star of the recent Borat movie) thinks that elections are decided in the courts. Bollocks! The voters and the various states decide the elections. There should be no place for lawyers or courts. But $$$$$.

MAGAts can feel free to explain this scene from Borat, as long as they don't try and tell us he's adjusting his shirt. :whistle:

RUDI is a swamp creature who participated in the 911 coverup.
To think that someone of his caliber allowed himself to be drawn into such a trap is laughable.
You can feel free to explain creepy joe the lifeguard who liked kids stroking his leg in the pool.

https://youtu.be/ep6fnH9l-Ls

R650R

9th November 2020, 09:25

Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I only realised tonight that the Trump campaign song that he "danced" to was YMCA.

But then the Republicans have used Born in the USA for decades without understanding the lyrics.

Yes but YMCA is one of those musical anthems everyone loves and it’s from an era where being gay was just a slight oddity, not a social justice warrior political faction.

The funniest thing is the rainbow alphabet snowflakes(modern people not the band) had a meltdown over trump using “their” song. Apparently diversity and inclusion doesn’t intersect (sic) with straight people being allowed to like gay songs.
His Dad dancing to the tune was epic way to end rallies showed a human and humble side where as the left wanted to riot and burn more buildings about it.

https://youtu.be/Zph7YXfjMhg

TheDemonLord

9th November 2020, 09:49

The Village People were the exception. They were amused by the Trump campaign's use of their gay anthems.

Probably because he openly supported Gay Marriage before any of the current Democrat politicians...

R650R

9th November 2020, 10:40

Great comment from James Woods...

“And just like that the rioting and looting has ceased overnight. And now the half of the country that pummeled America like a battered wife is telling her to put on sunglasses, hide her black eye, be a good girl, and ‘come together as one’. Her answer? ‘Go fuck yourself’.”

SaferRides

9th November 2020, 11:16

Yes but YMCA is one of those musical anthems everyone loves and it’s from an era where being gay was just a slight oddity, not a social justice warrior political faction.

https://youtu.be/Zph7YXfjMhg
Being gay was a little more than a "slight oddity" in NZ back then!

pritch

9th November 2020, 11:29

Today I see a Republican governor using the Al Gore election ot justify a recount. That recount was because the margin was about 500 votes in one state. The margins in this election are in the tens or hundreds of thousands. There is nothing to justify a recount even if Trump could afford it.

The current situation is entirely due to Trump having the emotional maturity of a toddler. That's not my opinion, that's the qualified opinion of many professionals incuding his neice who is a psychologist. If in doubt all you have to do is take note of what's happening. It's plain to see.

F5 Dave

9th November 2020, 11:58

. . .

But then the Republicans have used Born in the USA for decades without understanding the lyrics.

I still think the Democrats were trying to lose putting up Biden (and Saunders) and were just lucky enough people wanted Trump out. They should have convinced The Boss to run. He'd have smoked Orange man. And would be smart enough to know he's not a politician and take advisors seriously, read briefs, that sort of thing.

In side news
Bohemoth officially announced they are ceasing production of - Dump the Trump,
because they don't have to any more.

Although they did say they were gonna totally take the opportunity to have a dig and take the piss in the future.

sugilite

9th November 2020, 12:32

And now the lawsuits begin
And are getting tossed very quickly - turns out bullshit rhetoric is not enough. Those pesky judges are asking for proof of evidence - how dare they!
And ahem cough, cough - your prediction of Trump winning comfortably was a little off.

So my take on it all was that if any shenanigans was going on with vote tampering, it was by the Trump campaign. I send out many packages on a near daily basis across many of the states, and my delivery reports are clearly showing a massive USPS slowdown in the so called swing states. So Trumps taking of the cripple hammer to USPS clearly had an effect in my opinion.

I believe Trump will not be held accountable for the majority of his crimes while in office - just imagine the scope of the ones not known yet.
The best way to put him in prison where he belongs is to nail him on tax avoidance as the evidence will be math and pretty much indisputable, thus more palatable to his many followers. As much as I would love to see him put in gen pop at reikers :devil2: - just put him out to pasture in one of those club med jails for the rich- however, for the love of God, take away his phone and put a permanent gag on him. He will wither and die without attention in a matter of a few short years if not sooner. Barr should also go for a skate big time as should Rudy.

Really, the hilarious debacle of the Trump campaign holding the press conference in a car park sandwiched between a porn toys store and a crematorium pretty much sums up the Trump presidency.
Trump used the dildos on the people, and many of them even liked it - but ultimately it all ended up going up in smoke at the crematorium - like many of his businesses have in the past.

Oh yes, and after the numbers come in showing the Trump rallies to be super spreader events and the number of people attending and those they infected afterwards were killed in the name of Trumps unbridled self interest - the Republican party will have a lot of apologies to issue before they can ever be considered a party for the people ever again.
But then again, many Americans seem to have inordinately short memory and attention spans - so who knows.

TheDemonLord

9th November 2020, 12:55

And are getting tossed very quickly - turns out bullshit rhetoric is not enough. Those pesky judges are asking for proof of evidence - how dare they!
And ahem cough, cough - your prediction of Trump winning comfortably was a little off.

Well, despite what the Press say, nothing has been officially declared yet.

Without getting ahead of myself, there are a number of 'irregularities' that seem (at time of writing) to only favor a particular candidate (and it's not Trump).

Some of them may have legitimate explanations, so I'm waiting to see what evidence is forthcoming.

pritch

9th November 2020, 13:08

the Republican party will have a lot of apologies to issue before they can ever be considered a party for the people ever again.

The Republicans gained seats in congress so the voters don't seem too bothered.

One of the Lincoln project guys, a former Republican policy advisor or similar, was saying that the Republicans and the Democrats select their political candidates differently. The Dems want diversity and the correct political philosophy. The Republicans select people "who can win." If they want to put a candidate in a Democrat leaning district they select a candidate who is Republican Lite and who is unlikely to offend anybody.

In the south two Democrat women candidates who made a strong showing: Amy McGrath (Kentucky) and MJ Hagar (Texas), were ultimately unsuccessful in the recent election. McGrath is a fromer US Marine fighter pilot, Hagar was a rescue helicopter pilot who was shot down in Afghanistan. The Lincoln project guy pointed out that in the south a white male with a war record like either of those may well have won. In the redneck states racial, sexual, or any other kind of diversity is unikely to be a winner. The Democrats don't yet seem to understand that.

R650R

9th November 2020, 15:18

Oh yes, and after the numbers come in showing the Trump rallies to be super spreader events and the number of people attending and those they infected afterwards were killed in the name of Trumps unbridled self interest - the Republican party will have a lot of apologies to issue before they can ever be considered a party for the people ever again.
But then again, many Americans seem to have inordinately short memory and attention spans - so who knows.

Pot, kettle, black....

https://youtu.be/rSzh6hqUkiY

HenryDorsetCase

9th November 2020, 15:41

pritch

9th November 2020, 16:53

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131175792]Well, despite what the Press say, nothing has been officially declared yet.[/QUOTE

That's not how the system works. The media call it when it is clear that the current margin in a state cannot be overtaken by the number of votes outstanding. That's entirely unofficial. The individual states don't have to officially declare their final figures until December 23 I think. That's a long wait, so everybbody uses the unofficial results supplied by the media in the meantime.

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131175792] Without getting ahead of myself, there are a number of 'irregularities'.
[/QUOTE

I've no idea what you're reading, but I've seen nothing except idiot level ranting by Trump and Giuliani none of which have had anything approaching evidence in support. Some sycophants are chiming in but so far there has been nothing substantive.

Again, there are some very good lawyers are Republicans. None of them are going anywhere near this clown show.

pete376403

9th November 2020, 17:44

Today I see a Republican governor using the Al Gore election ot justify a recount. That recount was because the margin was about 500 votes in one state. .

Then they should also be aware that using Bush/Gore as a precedent for a recount also means the Supreme Court could/would also stop the recount for the same reasons.

pritch

9th November 2020, 18:02

Here we go...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-gsa-letter-biden-transition/2020/11/08/07093acc-21e9-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.html

Dean

9th November 2020, 18:16

your prediction of Trump winning comfortably was a little off.

No surprises there.

R650R

9th November 2020, 20:57

https://youtu.be/ZG2m8kb-P0Q

pritch

9th November 2020, 20:59

Some sports have a protest or appeal system for people unhappy with their score. Serious competitors will have the appropriate amount of cash on their person. The protest fee will be required in advance and in cash. It would be too easy for the person appealing to cancel their cheque should their appeal fail. That's slightly old tech but you get the idea.

Trump told Wisconsin that he wanted a recount. Fine, they said. That'll be three million dollars. Like the sports protest fee, and for the same reason, the recount fee has to be paid up front.

And that, it seems, was the end of the Wisconsin recount.

Trump wanted recounts all over the place, but reality has intruded.

SaferRides

9th November 2020, 21:14

Here we go...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-gsa-letter-biden-transition/2020/11/08/07093acc-21e9-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.htmlLink doesn't work unless you have a subscription.

SaferRides

9th November 2020, 21:25

I expect every state knew exactly what was coming after the election and prepared accordingly, especially those with Democrat governors. It's probably one reason why the counting of postal ballots took so long, as well as the large numbers who voted that way.

pritch

9th November 2020, 21:58

Link doesn't work unless you have a subscription.

Sorry, I have a subscription to the WP so didn't notice that.

The woman Trump appointed to run the General Services Admin Dept, the dept that handles the transition arragements, is refusing to cooperate with Biden's team. They should be given offices in every department of government and over nine million dollars to fund the transition. They are currently getting nothing because Trump refuses to acknowledge that he lost and Emily is trying to please her boss.

This is getting quite a lot of coverage now, so you should be able to find it somewhere.

pritch

10th November 2020, 07:51

Another Trump temper tantrum.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300154381/trump-fires-us-defence-chief-by-tweet

sugilite

10th November 2020, 09:40

Well, despite what the Press say, nothing has been officially declared yet.

Without getting ahead of myself, there are a number of 'irregularities' that seem (at time of writing) to only favor a particular candidate (and it's not Trump).

Some of them may have legitimate explanations, so I'm waiting to see what evidence is forthcoming.

That "few" needs to be a comprehensive "many" to make a real difference. His bullshit rhetoric is not working for him thus far. I suspect there would have been low level cheating from individuals on BOTH sides.

The Republicans gained seats in congress so the voters don't seem too bothered.

I was alluding to once they have distributed the Biden vaccine (:devil2: could not resist:lol:) and the virus comes under control, there will be a lot of post mortoms on the handling of the pandemic. It will be especially clear how many needlessly died had only a solid federal backed plan had been put in place and a little patience had been exercised.

Pot, kettle, black....

And fair point, they are being over exuberant idiots.
However, imagine if I posted videos of the many, many, many Trump rallies in the last few weeks eh.

Another Trump temper tantrum.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300154381/trump-fires-us-defence-chief-by-tweet

Yep, and there will be more to come from the vindictive orange turd. You won't see many firings from Biden as he will have the experience and intelligence to pick the right people in the first place, and not fire them if they don't go down on him at every opportunity.

And this is priceless :lol:
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/trump-voter-hotline-inundated-by-prank-calls

pritch

10th November 2020, 10:30

Things are looking increasingly desperate. This is not something you would be doing if you had any actual evidence.

And just in case anybody wants to buy the T shirt... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-gardening-merchandise?CMP=twt_gu

mashman

10th November 2020, 11:05

"Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, intelligence insider Dr. Steve Pieczenik reveals the QFS Blockchain digital encryption code Sting Operation put in place by Pres. Trump." (https://www.bitchute.com/video/RskMmfUq8Dot/)... for those suffering source aversion syndrome the interview is on infowars. Light the blue touchpaper and stand back.

pritch

10th November 2020, 12:47

for those suffering source aversion syndrome the interview is on infowars. Light the blue touchpaper and stand back.

That's one for the spectacularly gullible. They don't all live in the USA, we've got them here too apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU94ILqkEko

R650R

10th November 2020, 13:59

Best quote of the day....

In four years we’ve gone from the Russians stole the election for Trump to the election can’t be stolen/cheated.... so dems which one is it?

husaberg

10th November 2020, 14:19

Best quote of the day....

In four years we’ve gone from the Russians stole the election for Trump to the election can’t be stolen/cheated.... so dems which one is it?
Sure don't let facts get in the way....
[
The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee submitted the first in their five-volume 1,313-page report in July 2019 in which they concluded that the January 2017 intelligence community assessment alleging Russian interference was "coherent and well-constructed". The first volume also concluded that the assessment was "proper", learning from analysts that there was "no politically motivated pressure to reach specific conclusions". The final and fifth volume, which was the result of three years of investigations, was released in August 2020, ending one of the United States "highest-profile congressional inquiries." The Committee report found that the Russian government had engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election in favor of Trump, which included assistance from some members of Trump's own advisers.

Trump said on Thursday that congressional negotiations over stimulus aid were held up in part because of Democratic proposals to provide $3.6bn to states to run elections and $25bn in aid to the postal service. The president, who has falsely claimed that widespread mail-in voting will lead to fraud, suggested that without the funding it would be harder to vote by mail.

“They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”

The president’s comments also come amid accusations that Louis DeJoy, the new postmaster general and a major Republican donor, is making cuts at the agency to intentionally slow down the mail. There are reports of severe mail delays in places across the country and the Washington Post and other news organizations published internal USPS documents last month saying there was a blanket ban on overtime and that workers were being told to leave mail behind if it will delay them on their routes. A USPS spokesman denied there was a blanket ban on overtime, but did not address questions about whether employees were being told to leave the mail behind.

A slower mail service could have a big impact this fall because an unprecedented number of Americans are expected to vote by mail and many states require a ballot to arrive at an election office by election day, regardless of when it was put in the mail, in order to be counted. At least 65,000 ballots were rejected during the 2020 primaries because they arrived too late.

pritch

10th November 2020, 16:02

Best quote of the day....

In four years we’ve gone from the Russians stole the election for Trump to the election can’t be stolen/cheated.... so dems which one is it?

Whoever said "there's no such thing as a silly question," didn't see that one coming.

pritch

10th November 2020, 16:06

R650R

10th November 2020, 16:06

https://youtu.be/4k2WZMsbQLI

Kickaha

10th November 2020, 16:42

[Propaganda Barbie spouting her usual crap]

As if anything that lying bitch says should be taken seriously

Her previous comments on Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/kayleigh-mcenany-trump-2015/index.html

sugilite

10th November 2020, 17:43

At last! Actual evidence of voter fraud. A person has been charged with Pennsylvania's first case of voter fraud in 30 years.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/-trump-supporter-arrested-voter-fraud-pennsylvania_n_5f91e43ec5b61c185f4848de?ncid=engmo dushpmg00000004

Hilarious! I mentioned to DL that there would likely be low (intelligence) level shit from both sides :lol:

https://youtu.be/4k2WZMsbQLI

Fun fact - even fox news cut away from her on that press conference within the first minute, stating no credible evidence exists of such claims.

The more Trump drags this out the bigger the spectacle at the end of his term :corn:

Grumph

10th November 2020, 18:41

Sorry, I have a subscription to the WP so didn't notice that.

The woman Trump appointed to run the General Services Admin Dept, the dept that handles the transition arragements, is refusing to cooperate with Biden's team. They should be given offices in every department of government and over nine million dollars to fund the transition. They are currently getting nothing because Trump refuses to acknowledge that he lost and Emily is trying to please her boss.

This is getting quite a lot of coverage now, so you should be able to find it somewhere.

Yep, Emily is afraid of Trump. Probably with good reason. Her job is supposed to be apolitical.

At this point it's too easy to draw a direct line from the 9/11 Commission report which concluded that the delayed transition in Bush/Gore and the incomplete information handover was in part responsible for 9/11 - and Trump sacking his Defence Secretary prior to the transition.

He's making it difficult for Biden - and bloody dangerous for everyone.

pritch

10th November 2020, 18:45

Yep, Emily is afraid of Trump. Probably with good reason. Her job is supposed to be apolitical.

At this point it's too easy to draw a direct line from the 9/11 Commission report which concluded that the delayed transition in Bush/Gore and the incomplete information handover was in part responsible for 9/11 - and Trump sacking his Defence Secretary prior to the transition.

He's making it difficult for Biden - and bloody dangerous for everyone.

There are strange things happening at the White House, the lawns are being dug up. I’m wondering if he’s stealing them.

pritch

10th November 2020, 21:13

A look at just one of the many RWNJ claims.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/08/tech/michigan-dead-voter-fact-debunking/index.html

mashman

11th November 2020, 07:11

That's one for the spectacularly gullible. They don't all live in the USA, we've got them here too apparently.

Why wouldn't people want to see it taken apart and vote accordingly where someone is saying that they intend to do that very thing? The corruption is known.

mashman

11th November 2020, 07:14

That's one for the spectacularly gullible. They don't all live in the USA, we've got them here too apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU94ILqkEko

Oh, and a vaccine has been announced hasn't it ;)

pritch

11th November 2020, 07:18

We all know (or should know) that Trump lives in an alternate reality of his own choosing. For him to deny Biden's success in the election is to be expected.
Mike Pompeo, US Secretary of State, an important figure in the US, is saying there will be an orderly transition to the next Trump presidency.

Mitch McConnell, Senate Majority Leader, an even more important figure in the US is also supporting Trump. What we have now is a full on coup attempt. In the USA.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/pompeo-promises-smooth-transition-second-184543828.html

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 08:20

Please, list these "irregularities" of which you speak.

Sure, I'll give you 3 - all based purely on Numbers.

Voter Turn out - if you look at Michigan (one of the Swing states) - it's voter turn out for the previous 3 election cycles has been consistently 62%-66% with the highest in 2008 when Saint Obama (who did have a big voter turnout) got it up to 66%, however that was a 3% increase from the previous year, however the turnout from 2016 to 2020: 62% vs 73%, over a 10% voter turnout increase.

Now, to be clear, I'm not saying that this definitively proves there has been voter fraud, only that it is highly irregular for there to be a sudden increase in voter turnout (especially when the last 4 elections have had the same voter turnout within a margin of 4%, a jump of 11% is irregular.

Benford's law on Biden's voting figures:

Original work, prior to the 2020 election about using statistical methods to detect potential electoral fraud. (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diy-election-fraud-analysis-using-benfords-law-rajat-gupta/)

Link to Github where (if you are so inclined) you can replicate the findings yourself (https://github.com/cjph8914/2020_benfords). The short version is that all the other candidates have numbers that conform to the expected law, whereas Biden has a number of statistical irregularities.

Again, this doesn't prove that there has been voter fraud, but like Michigan above, something irregular has happened.

The vote spike in Wisconsin.

This one has been 'rebutted' by 'fact-checkers', but there explanation is hollow - Here's the original picture: picture (https://www.boomlive.in/h-upload/2020/11/05/933686-2020110600-538-wi1.webp), The 'fact-check' claim is that this was a natural result of absentee ballots having a strong Biden support (which, in of itself, is interesting...), the problem comes when you look at the picture they use in their 'rebuttal':

Picture 2 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El9nFU5U4AAiSw8?format=jpg&name=small) - even when one side has a surge in votes (presumably due to a fresh batch of absentee votes being delivered by mail), the other side ALSO has a corresponding surge (although it may not be as significant) - see on the 4 different graphs that each time there is a hard vertical line for one candidate, the other also has a hard vertical line (although with a different magnitude).

This is irregular, even if we assume that the absentee vote had a hard-left swing, in the region of say 65-70%, that is still not as high a disparity as what we saw in Wisconsin (over 80%).

Again, doesn't prove voter Fraud, but it IS statistically irregular.

So that's 3 bits of evidence that whilst not Impossible are at the very least, statistically highly improbable and as such are worthy of investigation AND explanation.

There's some other sundry and circumstantial bits of evidence (like Ohio and Florida picking the winner in every election going back to the 1960s, having the strictest mail-in voter rules AND having Trump as the winner, Republicans winning the House and Senate, yet not the presidency).

Now, when we verge onto the territory of Conspiracy theory, there are some dangers - so I'll state now that if there is an investigation and it goes to the Supreme Court, I will defer to their findings, that's my standard of Evidence.

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 08:26

That's not how the system works. The media call it when it is clear that the current margin in a state cannot be overtaken by the number of votes outstanding. That's entirely unofficial. The individual states don't have to officially declare their final figures until December 23 I think. That's a long wait, so everybbody uses the unofficial results supplied by the media in the meantime.

This would be the same media that overwhelmingly despises Trump, yes? So definitely no conflict of interest there.

As I said, I'll wait for the Electoral college and any challenges to be resolved first.

I've no idea what you're reading, but I've seen nothing except idiot level ranting by Trump and Giuliani none of which have had anything approaching evidence in support. Some sycophants are chiming in but so far there has been nothing substantive.

Again, there are some very good lawyers are Republicans. None of them are going anywhere near this clown show.

See the post to HDC, there's 3 statistical anomalies that are rooted not in the 'ranting by Trump and Giuliani', but in objective numbers.

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 08:35

That "few" needs to be a comprehensive "many" to make a real difference. His bullshit rhetoric is not working for him thus far. I suspect there would have been low level cheating from individuals on BOTH sides.

I'll agree with the last part, but with a caveat - Low-level cheating has probably occurred in every Election, since the dawn of Democracy, to the point where it can be considered as 'background noise' and 'not statistically relevant'.

My primary concerns are for 3 instances which seem to be statistically relevant and not background noise.

And for the record - by my quick maths - For Trump to win, it would only take something in the region of 70,000 (or less) votes in the right location, given a total vote count of 140+ Million, that isn't a large margin of error.

Also, the voter turnout overall is statistically interesting - last 3 elections have had a total vote count of around 120-130 million and yet it looks like we might have a vote count for this election closer to 150 Million.

Again, as I mentioned to HDC - doesn't prove fraud, but it is irregular.

pritch

11th November 2020, 08:41

Discretion needed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9__8UJSc4

pritch

11th November 2020, 09:00

Voter Turn out -

I haven't got time to go into your post completely. But starting right there... Of course there was a much greater turnout. That a highly controverial president attracted huge interest shouldn't surprise anybody. We've been discussing it here for four years. Social media in the US has been on fire for four years. And you are surprised there was increased voter turnout?

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 09:20

I haven't got time to go into your post completely. But starting right there... Of course there was a much greater turnout. That a highly controverial president attracted huge interest shouldn't surprise anybody. We've been discussing it here for four years. Social media in the US has been on fire for four years. And you are surprised there was increased voter turnout?

Yes.

a few percent change, like for example Obama (who had the biggest Voter Turn-out, due to an energised voterbase), absolutely fine.

Over 10% voter turnout increase, is Irregular, especially when previously going back to 2004 (cause that's as far back as I cared to go) - the Voter turnout in that state were between the ranges of 62% and 66% - that's a 4% difference. with 66% being the highest for Obama, who until this election had the highest Vote Count.

The difference between 2016 and 2020 is 11% - that's almost 300% increase in the change of voter turnout, when compared to the previous biggest change in voter turnout (62% to 66% - a 4% difference)

Again, to be clear, I'm not saying 'Definitely fraud', I am saying that there is something irregular, that is worth of investigation and explanation.

sugilite

11th November 2020, 11:01

Yes.

a few percent change, like for example Obama (who had the biggest Voter Turn-out, due to an energised voterbase), absolutely fine.

Over 10% voter turnout increase, is Irregular, especially when previously going back to 2004 (cause that's as far back as I cared to go) - the Voter turnout in that state were between the ranges of 62% and 66% - that's a 4% difference. with 66% being the highest for Obama, who until this election had the highest Vote Count.

The difference between 2016 and 2020 is 11% - that's almost 300% increase in the change of voter turnout, when compared to the previous biggest change in voter turnout (62% to 66% - a 4% difference)

Again, to be clear, I'm not saying 'Definitely fraud', I am saying that there is something irregular, that is worth of investigation and explanation.

Trump is by far the most polarizing president of the USA ever - so if course he inspired people from both sides in a big way to vote either for him or against him. Not hard to work out.

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 11:49

Trump is by far the most polarizing president of the USA ever - so if course he inspired people from both sides in a big way to vote either for him or against him. Not hard to work out.

He was Polarizing in 2016, yet we didn't see the significant change in Voter Turn-out.

Furthermore it doesn't pan-out when you look at other states - which see a small increase in voter turnout, but not 3 times the increase of the last significant voter turn-out change.

pritch

11th November 2020, 11:53

This would be the same media that overwhelmingly despises Trump, yes? So definitely no conflict of interest there.
As I said, I'll wait for the Electoral college and any challenges to be resolved first.

Trump has a number of untreated mental disorders and he has constructed an alternate reality. He sees himself as a winner, although he has basically never succeeded at anything wthout cheating. Even then the list is small. Much smaller than his extensive list of failures.

It was Fox who called the Arizona result first, not the media you consider biased, most of whom have still not called a result there. There are still two states outstanding

Voter fraud in the US is so rare as to be almost non-existent. Anybody buying into Trump's fantasies really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

There will be more of these:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/10/99269a7c-2364-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

Oh, in case the paywall intervenes, a Pennsylvania postal worker who reported ballot irregularities, and whose claim was picked up by Republicans and has been used as the basis for Attorney General Bill Barr's involving the FBI, has admitted to investigators that he lied. Another fantasy. Of course.

Update: There is now a claim that he was paid US$130,000 to lie.

F5 Dave

11th November 2020, 12:02

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 12:07

Trump has a number of untreated mental disorders and he has constructed an alternate reality. He sees himself as a winner, although he has basically never succeeded at anything wthout cheating. Even then the list is small. Much smaller than his extensive list of failures.

It was Fox who called the Arizona result first, not the media you consider biased, most of whom have still not called a result. There are still two states outstanding

Voter fraud in the US is so rare as to be almost non-existent. Anybody buying into Trump's fantasies really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

There will be more of these:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/10/99269a7c-2364-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

Oh, in case the paywall intervenes, a Pennsylvania postal worker who reported ballot irregularities, and whose claim was picked up by Republicans and has been used as the basis for Attorney General Bill Barr's involving the FBI, has admitted to investigators that he lied. Another fantasy. Of course.

Except I've not said anything about Postal workers, I've just pointed to the raw numbers and said there are some odd instances.

pritch

11th November 2020, 12:12

Except I've not said anything about Postal workers, I've just pointed to the raw numbers and said there are some odd instances.

Not to normal people there aren't.

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 12:14

And big increases are easier when the previous voter turn out is so pathetic.

C19 has touched many over there, as it has here but to lesser extent. All of a sudden apathy not to vote becomes a pressing priority.

Further postal and early voting has made it easier for, I'm going to say 'the working class' but needs translation, to vote instead of a stupid multi hour wait on a Tuesday when you need to put bread on the table.

Not really - Look at Ohio as an example (a state with very strong mail-in ballot laws, due to the 2004 election):

2008: 67.8% (Obama was very popular)
2012: 65.1%
2016: 64.2%
2020: 68.9%

So - all the results are within about a 4% range bracket, which is what we expect (given historical info on other states) - and going from 64-68 is a big increase due to a previous low voter turnout, but that's only a 4% difference (which is in-line with other typical state changes), not 11%.

That is a Statistical anomaly.

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 12:19

Not to normal people there aren't.

That's because normal people don't enjoy Maths or doing any form of statistical analysis.

You've got one of the swing states that experienced a change in Voter Turnout that is 3 times bigger than the last big change in voter turnout.

You've got a state that wants us to believe that in a batch of mail-in ballots, over 80% of them were for Biden, whereas we know from other Mail-in Ballots, it wasn't that heavily skewed.

You've got a statistical analysis that indicates that the Biden voting numbers do not conform with a statistical analysis of the distribution of numbers, whereas every other candidate's voting numbers do.

I grant you that it COULD be due to a large voter turnout and that it COULD be massive Mail-in support for Biden in a Swing State and that it COULD be legitimate numbers.

But I put it to you that such anomalies are worth of at least a bit of skeptical interrogation.

sugilite

11th November 2020, 13:06

He was Polarizing in 2016, yet we didn't see the significant change in Voter Turn-out.

Furthermore it doesn't pan-out when you look at other states - which see a small increase in voter turnout, but not 3 times the increase of the last significant voter turn-out change.

Twaddle, most did not expect him to win, voter apathy was at situation normal. Not so after 4 years of dog whistling from both sides media etc. As I'm sure you would realize.
Also, both campaigns spend an inordinate amount of attention on voter turn out in swing states, so why would one not expect to see the resulting increase in voter turnout. Red hearings for lunch today?

SaferRides

11th November 2020, 14:08

Sure, I'll give you 3 - all based purely on Numbers.

Voter Turn out - if you look at Michigan (one of the Swing states) - it's voter turn out for the previous 3 election cycles has been consistently 62%-66% with the highest in 2008 when Saint Obama (who did have a big voter turnout) got it up to 66%, however that was a 3% increase from the previous year, however the turnout from 2016 to 2020: 62% vs 73%, over a 10% voter turnout increase.
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I think you'll find the figure for 2020 uses a different measure of turnout rate to 2016 and therefore the numbers are not comparable. I assume this is because the final data for 2020 is not yet available.

It looks like a difference of 8% based on the interim data for 2020.

R650R

11th November 2020, 14:56

A lot of people who voted by mail did so because they were busy doing other things. A lot of them didn’t get to see Biden’s celebration speech.
But this guy organised a gathering of some of the mail in voters and repeated part of Biden’s speech to them to make them feel included I guess, quite touching the human spirit.
Watch to the end to see the surprising size of Biden’s silent majority.

https://youtu.be/LjlLzD9ESNY

TheDemonLord

11th November 2020, 15:19

Twaddle, most did not expect him to win, voter apathy was at situation normal. Not so after 4 years of dog whistling from both sides media etc. As I'm sure you would realize.

I, again, refer to the 2008 election, which had a very high voter turnout and yet we didn't see a change as big as what we've seen.

Also, both campaigns spend an inordinate amount of attention on voter turn out in swing states, so why would one not expect to see the resulting increase in voter turnout. Red hearings for lunch today?

Every campaign, every year targets the Swing states.... Because y'know - they are swing states....

I've been quite clear that I'm not ruling out this could be legitimate, but surely you must agree that a State that has fairly stable voter turnout in the low 60% mark for the last 4 Presidential elections (including one with the most widely popular candidate - Saint Obama), to suddenly jump to the low 70% mark is irregular.

I think you'll find the figure for 2020 uses a different measure of turnout rate to 2016 and therefore the numbers are not comparable. I assume this is because the final data for 2020 is not yet available.

It looks like a difference of 8% based on the interim data for 2020.

I agree that it's an interim figure because we don't have the final count yet. However, even taking your number at face value: it is still over double the previous next biggest change in voter turnout.

sugilite

11th November 2020, 15:30

I, again, refer to the 2008 election, which had a very high voter turnout and yet we didn't see a change as big as what we've seen.

Every campaign, every year targets the Swing states.... Because y'know - they are swing states....

I've been quite clear that I'm not ruling out this could be legitimate, but surely you must agree that a State that has fairly stable voter turnout in the low 60% mark for the last 4 Presidential elections (including one with the most widely popular candidate - Saint Obama), to suddenly jump to the low 70% mark is irregular.
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You are not taking the I hate/love trump factor very seriously. Way outstrips the saint obama sentiments.

So far we have one trumper trying to vote for his dead mother and one postal worker admitting they lied - Trumps lawsuits getting swatted down left and right because of LACK of proof.

You have to admit Trump has been planning this all along. Hence his baseless anti mail in fraud rhetoric for months. You may like Trumps tasty bullshit, me not so much.

SaferRides

11th November 2020, 15:49

I agree that it's an interim figure because we don't have the final count yet. However, even taking your number at face value: it is still over double the previous next biggest change in voter turnout.
Comparing like with like, the figure for the first Obama election in 2008 is either 69 or 70%. So 73% is still a high turnout, but not an outlier.

pritch

11th November 2020, 16:36

Days ago Trump sacked people in charge of nuclear energy. Today another one resigned.

And now this From Alexander Vindman:

In the last 24 hours, the Secretary of Defense (SecDef), the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (USD-P), and the Under Secretary of Defense for Intell (OUSD-I) have been sacked. Trump loyalists now sit in the 1, 3, and 4 slots at DOD. Kash Patel is DOD Chief of Staff. Why?

Kickaha

11th November 2020, 16:43

T
Oh, in case the paywall intervenes, a Pennsylvania postal worker who reported ballot irregularities, and whose claim was picked up by Republicans and has been used as the basis for Attorney General Bill Barr's involving the FBI, has admitted to investigators that he lied.

The Postal worker claims he has not recanted his testimony and Washington Post have made that up

Watch to the end to see the surprising size of Biden’s silent majority.

Yet so far the only person charged with voter fraud is a Republican using his dead mother to vote for Trump

testastretta

11th November 2020, 16:51

Yes.

a few percent change, like for example Obama (who had the biggest Voter Turn-out, due to an energised voterbase), absolutely fine.

Over 10% voter turnout increase, is Irregular, especially when previously going back to 2004 (cause that's as far back as I cared to go) - the Voter turnout in that state were between the ranges of 62% and 66% - that's a 4% difference. with 66% being the highest for Obama, who until this election had the highest Vote Count.

The difference between 2016 and 2020 is 11% - that's almost 300% increase in the change of voter turnout, when compared to the previous biggest change in voter turnout (62% to 66% - a 4% difference)

Again, to be clear, I'm not saying 'Definitely fraud', I am saying that there is something irregular, that is worth of investigation and explanation.

How come Trump, in Florida, went from 4.6 million votes in 2016 to 5.6 Million votes in 2020. No mention of that in all your bullshit.

pritch

11th November 2020, 18:34

The Postal worker claims he has not recanted his testimony and Washington Post have made that up

The story is more complicated now, interestingly it's not "anonymous sources," people are named. Apparently he was not a happy employee having been dsciplined multiple times in recent history. I was thinking he might have changed his mind when the $130.000 was threaatened, but apparently that's no longer on offer.

I'd be surprised if the Washington Post made stuff up. Journalists get sacked for that, and newspaper jobs are in short supply. We'll see. Perhaps.

Kickaha

11th November 2020, 18:41

The story is more complicated now, interestingly it's not "anonymous sources," people are named. Apparently he was not a happy employee having been dsciplined multiple times in recent history. I was thinking he might have changed his mind when the $130.000 was threaatened, but apparently that's no longer on offer.

I'd be surprised if the Washington Post made stuff up. Journalists get sacked for that, and newspaper jobs are in short supply. We'll see. Perhaps.

The only $130000 I saw mentioned was from gofundme donations to help with the possibility of him losing his job, legal action etc, gofundme have pulled the pin on it and he hasn't received a cent

pete376403

11th November 2020, 20:42

Discretion needed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9__8UJSc4

An interesting comment on that page...
how come republicans accepted the results for the house and the senate, but they dont accept the presidental results? Which are cast on the same ballot. ?!!??!

SaferRides

12th November 2020, 05:57

There is a question which I have not even seen asked let alone answered. How would anyone carry out electoral fraud on a large scale, remembering that you would need tens of thousands of votes in states like Michigan or Pennsylvania, plus of course, you don't actually know in advance how many votes you would need?

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 06:55

You are not taking the I hate/love trump factor very seriously. Way outstrips the saint obama sentiments.

That's because I think you are downplaying just how popular Obama was and how contentious that Election is.

I'm loathe to bring up Race - but I remember distinctly the buzz and excitement around the first Black US President, Hell, I've said at the time I would have voted for Obama. You have the Black populace with a massive turnout.

Then you've got the other side, those who voted against him for that fact, and that his platform was 'Change'. You even had South Park do a hilarious episode about the polarization of the Voterbase.

So, I'm using that as a benchmark for what a fair election looks like and what the changes in Voter turnout and behaviour is like. When we look at states like Ohio, with a strict Mail-in Ballot system, the changes in turnout for this election are similar to the changes for Obamas - a bit more, but not 2-3 times more.

So far we have one trumper trying to vote for his dead mother and one postal worker admitting they lied - Trumps lawsuits getting swatted down left and right because of LACK of proof.

You have to admit Trump has been planning this all along. Hence his baseless anti mail in fraud rhetoric for months. You may like Trumps tasty bullshit, me not so much.

Except None of the examples I've posted rely on any rhetoric. It's all just a simple analysis of the Numbers and pointing to 3 instances that from a Stats point of view are outliers.

Outliers that all just-so-happen to favour one candidate. I've accepted there could be a legitimate explanation, but the point is they are worthy of some scrutiny.

Edit: and on another point - If Trump has 'been planning this all along' - you make it sound like he is some genius mastermind, playing chess on a grand scale - which is a stark contrast to your previous descriptions of him, so which is it?

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 06:57

Comparing like with like, the figure for the first Obama election in 2008 is either 69 or 70%. So 73% is still a high turnout, but not an outlier.

Even if we take your adjusted figures, that's still double the last biggest change in voter turnout.

In a Swing State.

Without strict mail-in ballot rules.

Whereas other Swing States, WITH strict Mail-in Ballot rules don't show the same shift in turnout, they show one that is comparable to the shift seen for the Obama election, so yes, I DO consider it an Outlier.

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 06:59

How come Trump, in Florida, went from 4.6 million votes in 2016 to 5.6 Million votes in 2020. No mention of that in all your bullshit.

Florida, after the 2000 election debacle, has the strictest mail-in voter rules of any state.

SaferRides

12th November 2020, 07:11

Even if we take your adjusted figures, that's still double the last biggest change in voter turnout.

In a Swing State.

Without strict mail-in ballot rules.

Whereas other Swing States, WITH strict Mail-in Ballot rules don't show the same shift in turnout, they show one that is comparable to the shift seen for the Obama election, so yes, I DO consider it an Outlier.Yes, but ALL of the figures for the previous elections use a different statistic for voter participation compared to the 2020 election, so the whole analysis is flawed in terms of showing that 2020 is an outlier.

I expect the same has been done for the other 2 states.

I am not going to speculate whether this was deliberate or a mistake, as I do not know where they sourced their data, but it's pretty clear here: http://www.electproject.org/2020g

I might even produce a graph today for Michigan.

testastretta

12th November 2020, 07:20

Florida, after the 2000 election debacle, has the strictest mail-in voter rules of any

Your argument of possible voter fraud due to a significant increase in votes doesn't hold water. Florida had one of the largest increases going from 9.1 million total votes in 2016 to 10.9 million in 2020.

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 07:47

Your argument of possible voter fraud due to a significant increase in votes doesn't hold water. Florida had one of the largest increases going from 9.1 million total votes in 2016 to 10.9 million in 2020.

Look at Florida's historic turnouts, all the way back to 2004 - it's quite consistent in the mid 60% mark, same as last year, this year shows 71% - so not a statistical outliers. It's high, but it's not double or triple the previous change in voter turn-out

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 07:49

Yes, but ALL of the figures for the previous elections use a different statistic for voter participation compared to the 2020 election, so the whole analysis is flawed in terms of showing that 2020 is an outlier.

I expect the same has been done for the other 2 states.

I am not going to speculate whether this was deliberate or a mistake, as I do not know where they sourced their data, but it's pretty clear here: http://www.electproject.org/2020g

I might even produce a graph today for Michigan.

That's the source I've been using.

I grant you that due to not having finalized figures yet, the data isn't complete.

It does seem sufficient However to raise questions that demand answers.

sugilite

12th November 2020, 07:58

That's because I think you are downplaying just how popular Obama was and how contentious that Election is.

I'm loathe to bring up Race - but I remember distinctly the buzz and excitement around the first Black US President, Hell, I've said at the time I would have voted for Obama. You have the Black populace with a massive turnout.

Then you've got the other side, those who voted against him for that fact, and that his platform was 'Change'. You even had South Park do a hilarious episode about the polarization of the Voterbase.

So, I'm using that as a benchmark for what a fair election looks like and what the changes in Voter turnout and behaviour is like. When we look at states like Ohio, with a strict Mail-in Ballot system, the changes in turnout for this election are similar to the changes for Obamas - a bit more, but not 2-3 times more.
Obama was not in the news everyday with scandal after scandal. there is no comparison. Obama did his dishonest shit stealthily like most of the intelligent presidents before him.

Except None of the examples I've posted rely on any rhetoric. It's all just a simple analysis of the Numbers and pointing to 3 instances that from a Stats point of view are outliers.

Outliers that all just-so-happen to favour one candidate. I've accepted there could be a legitimate explanation, but the point is they are worthy of some scrutiny.

Edit: and on another point - If Trump has 'been planning this all along' - you make it sound like he is some genius mastermind, playing chess on a grand scale - which is a stark contrast to your previous descriptions of him, so which is it?

Going for the second dan on your putting words in other peoples mouths black belt?
Did I say Trump or Demonlord rhetoric?

Trump planning to contest the election results due to the easily predicted mail in ballots rush due to the pandemic is hardly genius level thinking. You set an extremely low bar for what constitutes a "genius".

pritch

12th November 2020, 08:12

Your argument of possible voter fraud due to a significant increase in votes doesn't hold water. Florida had one of the largest increases going from 9.1 million total votes in 2016 to 10.9 million in 2020.

TDL claims that he's interested in the data. That is actually misleading. He starts from the position that there has been fraud. So he goes looking for fraud and by stretching a point he finds 'irregularities.' Another person, me, believes the professional's view that voter fraud is very rare in the USA so I don't go chasing non-existent rainbows and unsurprisingly I don't find any.

The Georgia "hand count' decision is a bit weird, I think that's their local rules about the winner needing over 50%. Thus their having to re-run two senate races. Recounts of any sort may vary the final total by a few hundred, the current margin is over 10,000. The result won't change. Even if it did, Biden would stll be president.

Last night I saw a quote from the report of a Republican electoral observer. He reported a voting anomaly. The votes coming in from service people overseas were in Biden's favour. He considered serving people voted conservative so there might be foul play involved. It's true service people do tend to vote conservative. (It was the same here, I assume it still is.) Perhaps not so much when a conservative president took the money intended to update their draughty, mouldy, dilapidated, housing stock to build his wall. He abandoned a US ally, the Kurds, and he surrendered a large chunk of Syria to the Russians. He then called service people suckers and losers. Yet some Republicans can still be surprised that support for Trump from the armed forces has waned.

pritch

12th November 2020, 08:59

Obama did his dishonest shit stealthily like most of the intelligent presidents before him.

Solid gold. :2thumbsup

Trump has finally achieved some things Obama never managed. He's been impeached and he lost an election.

This is interesting, a Republican election official shares some facts. TDL will not like this but he needs to see it more than anybody,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBaMbQMeEs

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 09:40

TDL claims that he's interested in the data. That is actually misleading. He starts from the position that there has been fraud. So he goes looking for fraud and by stretching a point he finds 'irregularities.' Another person, me, believes the professional's view that voter fraud is very rare in the USA so I don't go chasing non-existent rainbows and unsurprisingly I don't find any.

Actually, it started with Wisconsin, I had the live totals open and was watching, when one state jumped nearly 200,000 votes for Biden and none for Trump - and that raised my suspicion as something that is odd.

From there, the Oddities kept coming.

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 09:47

Obama was not in the news everyday with scandal after scandal. there is no comparison. Obama did his dishonest shit stealthily like most of the intelligent presidents before him.

You and I have very different recollections of the 2008 Obama campaign, he was constantly in the news, there was the Birth Cert debacle.

Whilst it may not have been scandals, he was everywhere in his 2008 campaign.

Going for the second dan on your putting words in other peoples mouths black belt?
Did I say Trump or Demonlord rhetoric?

Except neither is based on rhetoric.

On one of the points I've raised, you given an explanation, I counter that based on previous overwhelmingly popular candidates, it's still an outlier. That last part is my opinion. But there are still 2 other statistical anomalies that deserve an explanation.

Trump planning to contest the election results due to the easily predicted mail in ballots rush due to the pandemic is hardly genius level thinking. You set an extremely low bar for what constitutes a "genius".

Either he rigged the game to account for all the known outcomes (which would be very smart) or he made a very accurate prediction based on the data (also very smart).

sugilite

12th November 2020, 11:35

You and I have very different recollections of the 2008 Obama campaign, he was constantly in the news, there was the Birth Cert debacle.

Whilst it may not have been scandals, he was everywhere in his 2008 campaign.
Pfft, compared to Trumps daily scandals?

Except neither is based on rhetoric.
THIRTEEN tossed cases at lightening speeds and some very pissed judges at having their time wasted would 100% suggest otherwise

Either he rigged the game to account for all the known outcomes (which would be very smart) or he made a very accurate prediction based on the data (also very smart).

Becoming aware that in a pandemic people would like to vote by mail and attack that process as being fraudulent relates somehow to being very smart? But by all means, keep defending your posts to the hilt, no matter how silly that may look :yawn:

And in case you missed it 13 cases tossed in record time. No desperation at all from the Trump team there :laugh:

pritch

12th November 2020, 13:28

And in case you missed it 13 cases tossed in record time. No desperation at all from the Trump team there :laugh:

The rantings of Trump and Giuliani are one thing, but the courts actually require evidence.

In one case the judge got pissed off and mentioned the lawyer's membership of the state bar. He didn't threaten it, he just mentioned it. Big attitude change on the part of Trump's lawyer. He didn't want a pissed off judge thinking about his membership of the bar. If he lost that, he'd loose his right to practice law.

Now another Republican is offering a reward. The Governor of Texas is offering up to 1 milion dollars for proof of fraud. If they had any proof at all they would hardly need to do that.

There are some really insane stories getting around, I saw one this morning that was a work of science fiction. It involved "elite units of the National Guard" and lasers and a dramatic headline that Biden had the election win ripped from him. And the sender was wondering why TVNZ hadn't carried the story.

Ah well. They walk among us.

pritch

12th November 2020, 14:00

From the New York Times - after calling officials in every state...

TheDemonLord

12th November 2020, 14:30

Pfft, compared to Trumps daily scandals?

Scandals no, but daily? Absolutely.

THIRTEEN tossed cases at lightening speeds and some very pissed judges at having their time wasted would 100% suggest otherwise

And? Have I referenced any of those cases?

It could be 100 or even a 1,000 - it's not relevant to 3 statistical anomalies that I put to you are worthy of a proper investigation.

Becoming aware that in a pandemic people would like to vote by mail and attack that process as being fraudulent relates somehow to being very smart? But by all means, keep defending your posts to the hilt, no matter how silly that may look :yawn:

Yet, he didn't attack the process as it is in Florida before the election.

As I said to Pritch, it was the Wisconsin vote spike for Biden that made me suspicious.

We'll see what Georgia brings with it's recount.

pritch

12th November 2020, 14:48

This explains why Georgia is havig a recount. It's longer than it needs to be but...

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/georgias-republican-secretary-of-state-dismisses-attacks-from-gop-trump-i-have-my-job-to-do-integrity-still-matters/

This sums up Trump's court cases perfectly.

pritch

12th November 2020, 15:25

And on a lighter note:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS1-Kvb41VI

pritch

12th November 2020, 16:19

There are reports on Twitter that Arizona has called the election for Biden. He gets the eleven electoral votes. As yet I can't find a major news source to cnfirm that.

husaberg

12th November 2020, 16:54

husaberg

12th November 2020, 22:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoSTz0-2zg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwE-WIdIzz8

husaberg

12th November 2020, 22:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt_p5_Mlm1I

pritch

13th November 2020, 07:45

Pompeo's name should become a byword for pettiness.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/pompeo-state-department-blocking-biden-foreign-leaders-congratulations-messages.html

R650R

13th November 2020, 08:52

Cut n paste from elsewhere, interesting....

"Below is from a constitutional attorney:

Ok in a nutshell... This is going to the Supreme Court.

Where they will rule that the election is invalid due to fraud or mistakes on a countrywide scale.

It will go one of two ways, either they will rule that all the unconstitutional mail-in ballots will be removed and the states ordered to recount without them or they will simply rule the election is invalid due to mass voter fraud and at that point, it will be sent to the congress and senate for a vote.

This is where it gets good. The house/congress votes on who the President will be. It has nothing to do with what party has power.

Every state gets one vote and 30 States are held by Republicans and 19 by Democrats. They have to vote down party lines, they have no choice due to the 12th Amendment of the Constitution, and the Senate votes for the Vice President where a similar event will take place. This is The law.

This is why the Democrats are so mad at Nancy Pelosi. This will all happen in January. The only way President Trump won't be President is if he concedes the election and that will never happen So stop watching the fake news and don't let your heart be troubled and live your life knowing this will all work out. President Trump will remain President I have researched all of this and it is Fact!

Another fun fact, the media called Gore the President-Elect for 30 days in 2000 until the courts ruled against him and declared Bush the winner. And two people that were part of that decision were none other than new Supreme Court Justices, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.

Why do you think the Democrats tried so hard to keep them from being confirmed."

nerrrd

13th November 2020, 09:58

...I have researched all of this and it is Fact!...

Said everyone on the internet ever :lol:.

pritch

13th November 2020, 11:22

This is The law.

I have researched all of this and it is Fact!

Another fun fact, the media called Gore the President-Elect for 30 days in 2000 until the courts ruled against him and declared Bush the winner. And two people that were part of that decision were none other than new Supreme Court Justices, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.

This gives me some slight difficulty, I'm prone to telling people requesting links to use the search engine of their choice. I listen to a number of legal podcasts and none of them have described your version of the law, or the facts as determined by your "research". God knows where you got that, and it seems you aren't saying. Meanwhie I'll assume it's a site such as Infowars.

It has, however, long been apparent that Trump hoped the election would get to "his" Supreme Court, but he needs a case and thus far he does not have one. He is currently mentioning a new business venture so perhaps the message is sinking in.

The reason Kavanaugh's appointment attracted such determined opposition was that there were multiple credible rape or attempted rape allegations against him. None of us were there so we cannot know for certain, but I believe the professor was extremely lucky to have been wearing a swim suit under her clothes that day.

The opposition to Barret was mainly because of her membership of a cult - and the fact she has almost three whole years experience as a judge.

TheDemonLord

13th November 2020, 12:00

and the fact she has almost three whole years experience as a judge.

She clerked for Justice Scalia....

pritch

13th November 2020, 13:16

She clerked for Justice Scalia....

Irrelevant. A clerk is not a judge. The hint is that the words 'clerk' and 'judge' are different.

TheDemonLord

13th November 2020, 13:30

Irrelevant. A clerk is not a judge. The hint is that the words 'clerk' and 'judge' are different.

Right...

So being a protege to one of the most influential legal minds in US Supreme Court history is irrelevant.... to being appointed to the Supreme court....

Nevermind her other credentials which MORE than qualify her to be nominated...

I could go on about what a Clerk does and being a court to a sitting Supreme Court Justice is a very big deal - but if you are resorting to that level of sour grapes, there's no hope for you.

husaberg

13th November 2020, 13:36

This gives me some slight difficulty, I'm prone to telling people requesting links to use the search engine of their choice. I listen to a number of legal podcasts and none of them have described your version of the law, or the facts as determined by your "research". God knows where you got that, and it seems you aren't saying. Meanwhie I'll assume it's a site such as Infowars.

It has, however, long been apparent that Trump hoped the election would get to "his" Supreme Court, but he needs a case and thus far he does not have one. He is currently mentioning a new business venture so perhaps the message is sinking in.

The reason Kavanaugh's appointment attracted such determined opposition was that there were multiple credible rape or attempted rape allegations against him. None of us were there so we cannot know for certain, but I believe the professor was extremely lucky to have been wearing a swim suit under her clothes that day.

The opposition to Barret was mainly because of her membership of a cult - and the fact she has almost three whole years experience as a judge.

Hes got his info from here
https://shoshonenewspress.com/news/2020/nov/12/courts/
the paper is owned by a Republican property developer with an interest in gold courses....

and who wrote it, because it was basically a letter to the editor

oh this guy, who just happens to be a Canadian meth head.
https://www.thewhig.com/2017/06/28/habitual-thief-chastised-by-judge/wcm/0635fc87-a4d9-f2f8-995a-09988cab7899

Jeffrey J. Lakins, AKA Jeffrey J.Lish aka Steve Susan White 56, pleaded guilty in Kingston’s Ontario Court of Justice to seven thefts committed in October, November and January this year; four related bail violations; possession of crystal methamphetamine and soliciting for male prostitution in early November; Also failing to attend court at the end of November.
He was given enhanced credit on 127 days of pretrial custody, sentenced to a further 169 days in jail and a free-standing restitution order for $1,500 was issued against him.
What upset the judge, however, was what Lakins did in mid-November.

TheDemonLord

13th November 2020, 13:52

Hoh this guy, a Canadian meth head.
https://www.thewhig.com/2017/06/28/habitual-thief-chastised-by-judge/wcm/0635fc87-a4d9-f2f8-995a-09988cab7899

Except that's a different name....

pritch

13th November 2020, 14:47

Right...

So being a protege to one of the most influential legal minds in US Supreme Court history is irrelevant.... to being appointed to the Supreme court....

Nevermind her other credentials which MORE than qualify her to be nominated...

I could go on about what a Clerk does and being a court to a sitting Supreme Court Justice is a very big deal - but if you are resorting to that level of sour grapes, there's no hope for you.

Many people clerk for famous justices and don't even go on to be a judge themselves. Only somebody detached from reality like Trump, or you apparently, would consider three years as a judge to be a suitable qualification to be one of the nine justices of the Supreme Court. Supposedly the most distinguished jurists in the nation.

This appointment is so inappropriate that it may well lead to a complete overhaul of the system. Not before time. There are two of the current justices have been credibly accused of sexual offences, that alone is not a great look.

HenryDorsetCase

13th November 2020, 15:00

Irrelevant. A clerk is not a judge. The hint is that the words 'clerk' and 'judge' are different.

Clerk in the Supreme Court over there isn't equivalent to being a clerk here, even in our Supreme Court. (Fascinating at the moment - three decisions recently on quite important areas of law reversing the CA amd reinstating lower Court decisions - quite emphatically too. Personal faourite is the Debut Homes case).

This is a good read, if you're that way inclined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_(book)

also:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/politics/supreme-court-clerk-bonuses.html

worth having.

pritch

13th November 2020, 15:04

Hes got his info from here
https://shoshonenewspress.com/news/2020/nov/12/courts/

Amazing! Reading that it's like there's an echo in here. :innocent:

TheDemonLord

13th November 2020, 15:06

Many people clerk for famous justices and don't even go on to be a judge themselves.

Some of them Teach Law, Practice Law, Serve as an appellate Judge before going onto the Supreme Court...

Only somebody detached from reality like Trump, or you apparently, would consider three years as a judge to be a suitable qualification to be one of the nine justices of the Supreme Court. Supposedly the most distinguished jurists in the nation.

So, you think John Roberts is unsuitable
or Clarence Thomas
or Elana Kegan
Or even the legendary Justice Scalia?

mashman

13th November 2020, 15:11

husaberg

13th November 2020, 15:20

Irrelevant. A clerk is not a judge. The hint is that the words 'clerk' and 'judge' are different.

I remember the time that TDL claimed to know more about US law than the US Supreme court.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185771-Free-speech?p=1131109834#post1131109834
or the Federal court judges as well
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185625-Tommy-Robinson?p=1131118602&highlight=supreme+court#post1131118602
he probably thinks he's know more than Judge Judy as well
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/37/a2/bd37a236a5afb808f89e735660d03ee9.jpg

So if that's true why would anyone have any faith in their abilities when they don't even know as much as a pom import IT help desk dewb in NZ.

TheDemonLord

13th November 2020, 15:27

I remember the time that TDL claimed to know more about US law than the US Supreme court.
So if that's true why would anyone have any faith in their abilities when they don't even know as much as a pom import IT help desk dewb in NZ.

Except I never did so, that you repeat your own lie is telling - Does it soothe you, as it soothes a nun to clutch her Prayer Beads and recite a Hail Mary?

And I've not done helpdesk in a good number of years.

I refer you to HDCs post, given that he and I often do not see eye-to-eye on Ideiological matters, I'm sure he'd have taken great enjoyment to tear me to shreds on a subject he is professionally familiar with (and I am not), had I been wrong...

pritch

13th November 2020, 15:29

Clerk in the Supreme Court over there isn't equivalent to being a clerk here, even in our Supreme Court. (Fascinating at the moment - three decisions recently on quite important areas of law reversing the CA amd reinstating lower Court decisions - quite emphatically too. Personal faourite is the Debut Homes case).

This is a good read, if you're that way inclined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_(book)

also:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/politics/supreme-court-clerk-bonuses.html

worth having.

Thanks for that.

One legal podcast I listened to was an interview with a woman who had clerked for Merrick Garland, the name may be familiar. She went from there to the Office of Legal Council in the Justice Dept. It was the from the OLC that the opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted originated.

She was saying that prior to Trump the core OLC business was checking that new legislation did not conflict with existing legislation. Since Trump's inauguration though, most of the business of the OLC has been trying to explain why the illegal thing that Trump was currently doing was not actually illegal.

R650R

13th November 2020, 17:17

Meanwhie I'll assume it's a site such as Infowars

In the early days of 911 research (I believed the official account for several years) I used to like Jones, he does cover some interesting stuff.

But it’s well known now in conspiracy circles that he’s a gatekeeper owned by the elite.
After his Jewish wife divorced him (economic ruin stage one) and his prison planet show went tits up after YouTube “banned” him and he lost his ad revenue (stage two economic ruin) the guy is driving around protests in a damn hummer.

All the real truth sites are shoestring operations.
Listen to his radio show when he has someone important on. Every time a coconut, when the person is about to reveal some interesting info they cut to an ad break and return on different topic.

R650R

13th November 2020, 17:21

www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/why-democrats-are-turning-on-obamas-legacy/amp

HenryDorsetCase

13th November 2020, 17:56

Maybe (to stretch a metaphor I am really unqualified to comment on) you could view the US Supreme Court as like the All Blacks - or maybe like the Super rugby franchises. Some are better than others, some worse, but all are assisted by a legion of more or less unknown and unheralded people - some of whom go off to play in other (lesser) leagues, some of whom you never hear of again, some of whom who eventually get their shot with more or less success.

Hmmm. didnt think that through did I - because the obvious next sentence is "All of them though are chasing the dollars......"..... Hmmmmmm

pritch

13th November 2020, 20:53

This is a statement by the Trump administration.

pritch

13th November 2020, 21:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0YTM8iO4_s

pete376403

14th November 2020, 08:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0YTM8iO4_s

He does a good rant.

sugilite

14th November 2020, 08:32

Oh dear, oh dear, yet another Trump lawsuit bites the dust.
https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/trump-campaign-drops-lawsuit-in-arizona-after-learning-margin-cant-be-overcome/75-a2f013be-e093-48f0-9b3f-826622039d9e

Then election officials release this joint statement.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/2020-election-trump-voter-conspiracies/index.html

It is a tough gig proving widespread fraud when there is none :brick:

What a sad, sad man Trump is. Though pretty sure he will concede before Demonlord does ;)

But, hey, why not one more grift for the road, and it is against his dim witted base who by now should realize Trump eventually always turns on those that support him. So if course he would see these suckers as being the best group to suck the blood out of as he exits the whitehouse door. Lucky for these idiots that Trump has small hands, because he is mounting them and going for it :laugh:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/money-donated-to-trump-effort-to-overturn-election-loss-in-court-flowing-to-slush-fund-says-campaign-finance-pro-01605189813

pritch

14th November 2020, 09:16

Over 130 Secret Service agents are currently afflicted with Corona virus following Trump's last minute electioneering tour.

The final numbers are in: Biden 306 - Trump 232. Four years ago Trump boasted 306 was a landslide, he's been very quiet this year.

There's just one lingering concern. It's assumed that the "electors" of the electoral college will vote in line with the election reults in their state. In some states that is law, in others it is not. It is known that Trump has asked the govenor of Pennsylvania, and possibly others, for their electors to give him their vote regardless of the election result.

It's thought that the governor of Pennsylvania may have been considering this, but Biden's margin is such that it wouldn't make any difference. We'll see.

R650R

14th November 2020, 16:25

234 affidavits from one county of one state. ...

https://roar-assets-auto.rbl.ms/documents/7487/3.%20EXHIBIT%201%20(affidavits)%20(compressed).pdf

Kickaha

14th November 2020, 16:50

234 affidavits from one county of one state. ...

https://roar-assets-auto.rbl.ms/documents/7487/3.%20EXHIBIT%201%20(affidavits)%20(compressed).pdf

Funny how quite a few of them use word for word the exact same paragraphs in different areas when they're all done by different individuals, you'd just about think they had a template to work off

sugilite

14th November 2020, 17:27

pritch

14th November 2020, 17:56

Oh No, keeps getting worse for for Trump. Poor fella. (article not behind paywall)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-legal-challenges/2020/11/13/c967e05e-2514-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.html

Trump reportedly can't distinguish between a public relations campaign and legal action so he has appointed Rudy Giuliani to manage it all. What could possibly go wrong?

Grumph

14th November 2020, 18:57

Trump reportedly can't distinguish between a public relations campaign and legal action so he has appointed Rudy Giuliani to manage it all. What could possibly go wrong?

Well, his hair could suddenly go grey.....

This weekend's pro-Trump marches could be interesting. If there's a conflict with anti's, remember Trump's put loyalists in the Pentagon.

Wonder if the military would actually refuse an unlawful order ?

pritch

15th November 2020, 06:51

I watched Trump’s speech yesterday. The part where he was saying the vaccine would be rolled out to everywhere except New York didn’t immediately click. He made a comment to the effect that if the mayor contacted him and requested the vaccine, supply could be arranged.

Apparently he’s up to his old quid pro quo games. If The New York AG and DA drop their investigations into his finances, NY will get the vaccine.

Just as well he’ll be history before the vaccine is available.

SaferRides

15th November 2020, 07:19

This is interesting. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/christopher-krebs-election-security-trump.html

Not sure who was responsible for establishing this agency, but it does explain why there were so few real problems. (You should be able read a couple of articles here before the paywall kicks in.)

I also read somewhere that a number of the tech billionaires paid for hundreds of millions worth of equipment for counting postal ballots after Trump blocked government funding.

pritch

15th November 2020, 08:46

mashman

15th November 2020, 09:44

OMG no. A president has lied!

sugilite

15th November 2020, 10:04

Guys, GUys, GUYS - they found one, they found one - a fraudulent vote!!!! Oh wait, Doh :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nfstgDFQSI

And thre kicker? Reading between the lines, she is a republican that voted against Trump by going for Biden.
Trump Smackdown :lol:

SaferRides

15th November 2020, 10:28

The NY Times are not obliging me. Is the general gist of teh item similar to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW1bYikBuRwYes, same story.

husaberg

15th November 2020, 10:52

Spoiler alert Trump steps down at last minute under the 25 amendment (mental incapacitation)and Pence assuming the reins issues trump a pardon for all misdeeds he is capable of, But will pense risk that fall out on this.
TDL decares democracy as the winner and then suggests the emperor has such fine clothes.
https://modernclassics.info/trump_cartoons/almost%20done.jpg
https://media0.giphy.com/media/l4EpeJSelr0HChNCg/200w.gif?cid=e1bb72ff5ae8abd54339396a55a3beb3

pritch

15th November 2020, 12:20

There are a lot of these around, including some being pushed by White House staff. It purports to show today's million moron march. The photo is not recent, it was not taken in DC, and unlike the trees in DC, the trees in the photo are green. As green as the fuckwits that believe this and other similar nonsense.

pete376403

15th November 2020, 20:33

https://www.thelocal.dk/20201112/us-ambassador-to-denmark-makes-false-twitter-claim-about-own-vote

sugilite

15th November 2020, 22:32

https://www.thelocal.dk/20201112/us-ambassador-to-denmark-makes-false-twitter-claim-about-own-vote

Aha, another Trump appointed fact free sTrumpet lol
Speaking of which, here is another one.....
" On a day when the president's supporters touted a vast array of falsehoods, his spokeswoman, Kayleigh McEnany, offered perhaps the most ludicrous.

"More than one MILLION marchers for President @realDonaldTrump descend on the swamp in support," she tweeted, exaggerating the crowd size by a factor of about 200."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300158853/thousands-of-trump-supporters-march-to-falsely-claim-he-won-us-election

And in other news, Trumps legal challenges a raging success - for proving that Trump lost the election fair and square :laugh:

"Rather than revealing widespread - or even isolated - fraud, the effort by Trump's legal team has so far done the opposite: It's affirmed the integrity of the election that Trump lost. Nearly every GOP challenge has been tossed out. Not a single vote has been overturned."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300159161/us-election-donald-trump-lost-at-the-ballot-box-his-legal-challenges-arent-going-any-better

Looks like your guy lost biggly Mr Demonlord?
I'm anticipating the rate of spin you will need to put on this would have any Fisher and Paykel washing machine engineer bristling with pride :devil2:

TheDemonLord

16th November 2020, 07:39

Looks like your guy lost biggly Mr Demonlord?
I'm anticipating the rate of spin you will need to put on this would have any Fisher and Paykel washing machine engineer bristling with pride :devil2:

There's no Spin - My position currently remains unchanged - namely, waiting for all the Legal Challenges, Recounts etc. to be completed and the Electoral College.

sugilite

16th November 2020, 07:44

There's no Spin - My position currently remains unchanged - namely, waiting for all the Legal Challenges, Recounts etc. to be completed and the Electoral College.

What do you think of the "quality" of proof the Trump lawyers have been offering up to the judges so far?

TheDemonLord

16th November 2020, 07:46

What do you think of the "quality" of proof the Trump lawyers have been offering up to the judges so far?

Absolutely nothing, since that is irrelevant to the concerns that I, Myself, have.

sugilite

16th November 2020, 07:50

Absolutely nothing, since that is irrelevant to the concerns that I, Myself, have.
So you do not have an opinion on the quality one way or the other?

Is there any court cases happening where they are looking into the concerns as you have laid them out?

I reckon Trump is dragging this out as long as possible so he can continue to fleece his supporters as much as possible with his current donations scam.

TheDemonLord

16th November 2020, 08:10

So you do not have an opinion on the quality one way or the other?

I think I've made that pretty clear in my previous posts.

Is there any court cases happening where they are looking into the concerns as you have laid them out?

If there has been any issues, then the manual recount in Georgia will likely highlight them, we'll see what that brings.

I believe in some of the states with 'contested' vote tallies, there has motions towards paying for a recount.

I reckon Trump is dragging this out as long as possible so he can continue to fleece his supporters as much as possible with his current donations scam.

Well, I've not paid a penny or a cent...

pritch

16th November 2020, 08:14

There's no Spin - My position currently remains unchanged - namely, waiting for all the Legal Challenges, Recounts etc. to be completed and the Electoral College.

Nah. That's a change, previously you said you didn't trust the media. Possibly echoing Rudy but he's sad shadow of his former self, apparently no longer compos mantis.

Which indicates a basic misunderstanding on your part. The media do not conjur the figures out of thin air, they are given the figures by the electoral officials, so the figures the media use are official figures.

The only thing suspect in your short list is the electoral college. Trump has asked some states to vote for him regardless of how their people voted. That could cause a mammorh shit show, but so far the people running the elections have been professional regardless of party affiliation.

TheDemonLord

16th November 2020, 08:44

Nah. That's a change, previously you said you didn't trust the media.

And still don't.

So no change there.

Which indicates a basic misunderstanding on your part. The media do not conjur the figures out of thin air, they are given the figures by the electoral officials, so the figures the media use are official figures.

Which isn't true.

See the 2000 election when Al Gore was president elect for 30 days, according to the media.

What the Media does is look at the official figures and then does a prediction.

In a typical election cycle, most voting is done in person and the number of ballots cast in absentia is minimal and so the tallies on the night are close enough to allow a prediction. This is (in so many ways) not a typical election cycle.

The only thing suspect in your short list is the electoral college.

"The only thing that is suspect, is the only thing that actually matters"

Glad you agree with me.

SaferRides

16th November 2020, 09:49

If there has been any issues, then the manual recount in Georgia will likely highlight them, we'll see what that brings.

I believe in some of the states with 'contested' vote tallies, there has motions towards paying for a recount.
A manual recount is just that. The voting machines print out the numbers on paper tape as they scan the voting papers, which are then recorded and added manually. It is basically a check of the systems that tally the votes, not the legitimacy of the each vote.

TheDemonLord

16th November 2020, 10:23

A manual recount is just that. The voting machines print out the numbers on paper tape as they scan the voting papers, which are then recorded and added manually. It is basically a check of the systems that tally the votes, not the legitimacy of the each vote.

My understanding is that as part of the manual recount, the chain of custody for each mail-in ballot is checked (something the machine also cannot do)

husaberg

16th November 2020, 16:49

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/11/NINTCHDBPICT000618765616-1.jpg?w=620https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/11/e2dbd44e-23c9-4316-919d-0819098cab6f.jpg?w=620

R650R

16th November 2020, 21:00

Oh the absurdity of what’s on some of those placards....
Btw with regard to the other post there is no such thing as rioting in America. According to lefty media it’s peaceful protest even when burning a car behind a live news broadcast.

So pop quiz on one of the signs there... if a black trans policeman kills a black straight man which side will the intersectional social justice warriors fight for?

And if you look at graphs of USA national debt Trump flattened the curve and would have been coasting down victorious without covid interuption

husaberg

16th November 2020, 22:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boPyHl3iptQ

Pursang

16th November 2020, 23:21

And if you look at graphs of USA national debt Trump flattened the curve and would have been coasting down victorious without covid interuption

https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/US-Gross-National-Debt-2011-2019-11-18.png

pritch

17th November 2020, 07:30

And if you look at graphs of USA national debt Trump flattened the curve and would have been coasting down victorious without covid interuption

What colour is the sky where you live. That didn't happen on this planet.

Kickaha

17th November 2020, 07:56

Btw with regard to the other post there is no such thing as rioting in America. According to lefty media it’s peaceful protest even when burning a car behind a live news broadcast.

You must be very selective in what channels you watch if think that is the case

pritch

17th November 2020, 08:33

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/trump-legal-team-cases-dropped-436492

The item is a summary of just some of Trump's court cases. The incompetence is amazing. It's not mentioned in the item but lawyers actually went to court alleging voting irregularities - in counties that Trump won. That's what you get when no respectable law firm will have anything to do with you.

The electoral observers were offered a 'walk through' familiarisation training so that they'd know what they were looking at. Most declined to take advantage of the offer, the suspicious activity they saw was all down to their not knowing what they were looking at.

One allegation of fraud involved a case where a woman parked her car in the wrong place and security made her move it. She considered this to be obvious evidence of fraud.

Trump attracts the logically challenged like moths to a flame.

sugilite

17th November 2020, 15:05

Oh dear, oh dear. More rats from the coalface jumping ship rather than presenting a judge with yet another Trump turd :laugh:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/11/us-election-more-lawyers-withdraw-from-donald-trump-s-legal-campaign-to-challenge-results.html

husaberg

17th November 2020, 15:23

https://i.insider.com/5878f26eee14b6c7148b7f96?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webphttps://i.pinimg.com/236x/25/76/66/257666f9b83a090176340b0155f1ecc5--liberal-politics-conservative-politics.jpg

pritch

17th November 2020, 15:25

Miss Lindsey may be in a spot of bother. His own election in South Carolina needs to be looked at now.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-elections-official-says-lindsey-graham-looked-for-way-to-exclude-some-legal-ballots/ar-BB1b4sp5

pritch

17th November 2020, 15:47

Trump wants a recount in Wisconsin. Fine, they said. That'll be 8 million dollars.

That would have curbed his enthusiasm.:rolleyes:

Update: The Trump campaign will pay 3 Million for a partial recount: two counties. The two counties hat voted most heavily Democrat.

husaberg

17th November 2020, 16:12

https://www.cardfool.com/cards/assets/Russian%20Ties_cover.jpghttps://www.cardfool.com/cards/assets/Russian%20Ties_inside.jpg

pritch

17th November 2020, 16:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kClVjllGUVo

R650R

17th November 2020, 17:11

You must be very selective in what channels you watch if think that is the case
Should have used sarcasm emoticon....

https://policetribune.com/cnn-calls-riot-mostly-peaceful-as-reporter-stands-in-front-of-burning-buildings/

Both sides in here prob rely on certain sites but it’s very clear what has been happening

Grumph

17th November 2020, 19:04

And if you look at graphs of USA national debt Trump flattened the curve and would have been coasting down victorious without covid interuption

One of the more memorable quotes from Trump was when he was asked about the skyrocketing national debt,

His answer was to the effect that "It's not my problem, I won't be around when it comes due"

I'm genuinely curious. Is there any media in NZ that you'd trust ?

husaberg

17th November 2020, 19:21

Should have used sarcasm emoticon....

https://policetribune.com/cnn-calls-riot-mostly-peaceful-as-reporter-stands-in-front-of-burning-buildings/

Both sides in here prob rely on certain sites but it’s very clear what has been happening

That you like to troll and misquote by leaving out words like Mostly? in order to manipulate what was said.

According to lefty media it’s peaceful protest even when burning a car behind a live news broadcast.

CNN Calls Riot ‘"Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As Reporter Stands In Front Of Burning Buildings.

Jimenez reported that the daylight protests "were largely peaceful," but the situation quickly changed at night.
"What you are seeing now, these images, came and come in stark contrast to what we saw over the course of the daytime hours in Kenosha and into the early evening, which were largely peaceful demonstrations in the face of law enforcement,” Jimenez said.

R650R

17th November 2020, 19:27

One of the more memorable quotes from Trump was when he was asked about the skyrocketing national debt,

His answer was to the effect that "It's not my problem, I won't be around when it comes due"

I'm genuinely curious. Is there any media in NZ that you'd trust ?

Radio NZ is good for breaking news, they often get eye witnesses phone in when something happens. And due to limited time slot they can’t pollute a news article with unsubstantiated opinion.
Dominion Post is our last real newspaper but it’s slowly being infected by Stuffs ownership.

I’ll trust any news where the reporter/journalist reports the classic who, what, when, where, why, how, (many fail at these basics) with as the core of their material with no slant or opinion. And also names sources except in critical things where a crime witness or victim might be identified.

We are only where we are today because a clearly left bent media in nz and worldwide has been in hysterical trauma over Trump winning so much and none of the carpet bombing slander and scandal has stuck.

A reporter is supposed to report the facts. If they want to perhaps say trump is a lunatic, they need to interview someone who holds that opinion.

pritch

17th November 2020, 21:05

Radio NZ is good for breaking news, they often get eye witnesses phone in when something happens. And due to limited time slot they can’t pollute a news article with unsubstantiated opinion.
Dominion Post is our last real newspaper but it’s slowly being infected by Stuffs ownership.

I’ll trust any news where the reporter/journalist reports the classic who, what, when, where, why, how, (many fail at these basics) with as the core of their material with no slant or opinion. And also names sources except in critical things where a crime witness or victim might be identified.

We are only where we are today because a clearly left bent media in nz and worldwide has been in hysterical trauma over Trump winning so much and none of the carpet bombing slander and scandal has stuck.

A reporter is supposed to report the facts. If they want to perhaps say trump is a lunatic, they need to interview someone who holds that opinion.

Reporting 101. If one person says it's raining and another person says it's not. The reporter's job is not to report both sides of the story. Their job is to look out the window and report what they see.

NZ journalists have not always covered themselves in glory. Muldoon was loud and proud about what he was going to tell Malcom Fraser, the Australian PM, during the latters visit. Muldoon was going to drag him kicking and screaming into the 20th century. His words. The subject was to be economics.

After the meetng Muldoon announced a new defence agreement. If any journalist asked what happened to the new economic agreement I didn't see it. All the news was about the new defence agreement. Which, when people got a chance to see it, wasn't as good as the old defence agreement.

Shortly thereafter an NZ journo commented to the Russian ambassador about censorship in the Soviet Union as it was then. The repy was along the lines,
"With a press as stupid as yours and politicians who know how to use it, we'd rather have what you've got."

husaberg

17th November 2020, 21:18

Trump makes history the first ever US president, who has only served one term, who has been impeached and who has lost the popular vote not once, let alone twice.
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SaferRides

18th November 2020, 06:13

A manual recount is just that. The voting machines print out the numbers on paper tape as they scan the voting papers, which are then recorded and added manually. It is basically a check of the systems that tally the votes, not the legitimacy of the each vote.Looks like it is a full, manual recount. So far, they have found 2,500 votes that were not counted at all.

It will be interesting to see the difference.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300160656/us-election-hand-tally-in-georgia-discovers-more-than-2500-uncounted-ballots

mashman

18th November 2020, 06:39

Such complicated software to simply collect votes. For my money, there should be no network connectivity hardware in voting machines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-K62zQogLQ

Kickaha

18th November 2020, 07:53

Such complicated software to simply collect votes. For my money, there should be no network connectivity hardware in voting machines.

Why the fascination with Smartmatic with these people when the company was not involved in the 2020 election, they have no tie in with Dominion and are competing companies

mashman

18th November 2020, 08:46

Why the fascination with Smartmatic with these people when the company was not involved in the 2020 election, they have no tie in with Dominion and are competing companies

There's a history that questions such impartiality.

pritch

18th November 2020, 08:53

Why the fascination with Smartmatic with these people when the company was not involved in the 2020 election, they have no tie in with Dominion and are competing companies

It was reported that this "story" was posted by an anonymous user on an insignificant forum, got picked up by conspiracy theorists, was reported by OAN, thence to Trump's attention.

Rudy Giuliani is to appear in court for the Trump campaign. He may be a bit rusty, he hasn't appeared in a courtroom since 1992. He is reportedly charging the campaign US$20,000 a day for his services.

Trump has announced the withdrawal of thousands of troops from Afghanistan by January 16. Thus leaving the remaining American forces exposed. Four days before Biden takes office.

He has also reportedly been asking the Pentagon for options to attack Iran. Apparently he can't make up his mind whether he wants to end a war or atart one.

R650R

18th November 2020, 09:46

Reporting 101. If one person says it's raining and another person says it's not. The reporter's job is not to report both sides of the story. Their job is to look out the window and report what they see.

NZ journalists have not always covered themselves in glory.
Shortly thereafter an NZ journo commented to the Russian ambassador about censorship in the Soviet Union as it was then. The repy was along the lines,
"With a press as stupid as yours and politicians who know how to use it, we'd rather have what you've got."

OMG do you write for stuff nation or CNN.

A good reporter IS supposed to get quotes from the two peoples different observations about the weather. Otherwise they might have looked out the window too late and missed the weather event.
Reporters are that , report what others say and observe. A reporter should NEVER be part of the story, but sadly we've made mini celebrities out of some and Opinion pieces creep into the news.
Eg Tv one and the Paul Holmes show were always two distinctly clear items.

Camera angles were also never manipulated to lie about crowd sizes or hide that there were no crowds.

Btw you don't put something in quote marks that is paraphrased and from an unnamed source.

R650R

18th November 2020, 09:49

Prob a little late in timeline of things but exposes media lies nicely about the proper process and the reason why Biden wasn't getting transition money yet.

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/hice-gsa-administrator-must-adhere-to-constitution-past-precedent-in-determining-president-elect/

TheDemonLord

18th November 2020, 09:52

Such complicated software to simply collect votes. For my money, there should be no network connectivity hardware in voting machines.

100%.

Even the argument of 'oh, so it can update the count online' doesn't wash with me.

TheDemonLord

18th November 2020, 11:51

I'm genuinely curious. Is there any media in NZ that you'd trust ?

I know this wasn't asked of me - but I think it poses an interesting question.

The short answer is 'no', but the longer answer is where I think it's interesting - No one should trust 'The Media' - that includes Centrist, Left-wing, right-wing, Libertarian, Authoritarian etc. sources.

Firstly because all of them are run by People, and People are inherently fallible, but secondly (and I think this is the more important part) - we have a duty of care to ensure that what we are reading is correct - going back to the source, looking at the Context.

Trump and the reporting on him is a masterclass in this. There are many things (Injecting Bleach, Bad people on both sides, They are rapists and murderers etc.) where quotes have been taken out of Context and presented in a particular light.

There are other examples, earlier in this thread I did a breakdown on a claim. I should also be clear, this is not a One-Way street - Right wing outlets and even libertarian outlets are guilty of this too.

There is news Media that I watch because I enjoy the delivery, but even for those sources, there are times when I will have a look at what they are referencing and see how closely what they say it is matches what it is. The outlets I regularly watch tend to be very faithful for the source.

TL;DR - We shouldn't trust the Media, we should consume it with healthy Skepticism.

onearmedbandit

18th November 2020, 12:41

Not only that, but people fill in the gaps themselves. When we had the earthquakes here in CHCH I had friends from overseas seeing the devastation in the media and telling me that our entire city was destroyed. No it wasn't I told them, most of the city was still fine. But the media didn't show that (obviously), so people took what they saw and applied it to the whole city. I guess you just can't trust people fullstop.

pritch

18th November 2020, 13:10

Rudy had his day in court in Pennsylvania. Rather than actually behave like a lawyer though, he just reiterated the same evidence-free conspiracy theories he has been filling Trump's ear with. Hopefully he was at least sober for the occasion. The judge reserved his decision.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/17/philadelphia-donald-trump-us-elections-2020-joe-biden

Update:

I'm still wondering how the judge will react to Rudy's bullshit. A judge would not tolerate such a performance from a junior lawyer. It seems though that Rudy may have committed perjury before he even got into the court room. In his application to appear in Pennsylvania he states he is in good standing in all of the courts he lists. Not so, he has apparently been suspended by the DC bar for non payment of dues. I hope somebody lets teh judge know.

mulletman

18th November 2020, 13:30

This should not come as a surprise, the mad king has spoken. Umm the mad king has tweeted?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-fires-dhs-election-official/2020/11/17/97d3fa5c-251c-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html

Link says 'continue to sign in to keep reading' it has backround of the newspaper

Banditbandit

18th November 2020, 14:19

OMG do you write for stuff nation or CNN.

A good reporter IS supposed to get quotes from the two peoples different observations about the weather.

Not true - been a NZ journalist - one quote, properly attributed is enough.

If they are wrong then it is not the journalist's fault - they only reported what the idiot said.

Reporters are that , report what others say and observe. A reporter should NEVER be part of the story, but sadly we've made mini celebrities out of some and Opinion pieces creep into the news.
Eg Tv one and the Paul Holmes show were always two distinctly clear items.

Yes - and journalists have developed the bad habit of interviewing each other - or the News Front person interviews the journalist - and these journalists are NOT competent in the field they are pontificating about.

pritch

18th November 2020, 15:07

Link says 'continue to sign in to keep reading' it has backround of the newspaper

I beg your pardon, that's a recent development and I forget. Same story, different paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/17/chris-krebs-trump-fired-cybersecurity-voter-fraud-claims

husaberg

18th November 2020, 16:08

Not true - been a NZ journalist - one quote, properly attributed is enough.
If they are wrong then it is not the journalist's fault - they only reported what the idiot said.

Hes only trolling otherwise he would not be misquoting people himself.

According to lefty media it’s peaceful protest even when burning a car behind a live news broadcast.

https://policetribune.com/cnn-calls-riot-mostly-peaceful-as-reporter-stands-in-front-of-burning-buildings/

Reality rather the R650R
CNN Calls Riot ‘"Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As Reporter Stands In Front Of Burning Buildings.

Jimenez reported that the daylight protests "were largely peaceful," but the situation quickly changed at night.
"What you are seeing now, these images, came and come in stark contrast to what we saw over the course of the daytime hours in Kenosha and into the early evening, which were largely peaceful demonstrations in the face of law enforcement,” Jimenez said.

PrincessBandit

18th November 2020, 16:10

Spoiler alert Trump steps down at last minute under the 25 amendment (mental incapacitation)and Pence assuming the reins issues trump a pardon for all misdeeds he is capable of,

While the very thought of what you have written makes me want to puke, I'm absolutely convinced that the orange pumpkin will be determined to either pardon himself (he has already stated that he has "absolute power" to do whatever he wants to do as prez) or get his hand puppet to do it for him.

Should have added absolute power in his own mind, in his own reality

husaberg

18th November 2020, 17:35

While the very thought of what you have written makes me want to puke, I'm absolutely convinced that the orange pumpkin will be determined to either pardon himself (he has already stated that he has "absolute power" to do whatever he wants to do as prez) or get his hand puppet to do it for him.

Should have added absolute power in his own mind, in his own reality

I hope I am wrong but even if he did total and utter absolute abuse of power, I suspect there will be support for this on this thread.
Part of me hopes Trump will try one last abuse of power, that way his party will feel the feedback for the next 50 years.
Anyone that hasn't watched "you have been trumped "should watch it if only for how he works.
it's available on TVNZ on demand

Trump "I happen to be a very truthful person" "I speak honestly"
Its not power and money its principals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUQhmCtQdHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xty0Pv3EHGc

R650R

18th November 2020, 17:40

Some juicy stuff in here about the workings and background of dominion vote systems.
Gets good few minutes in....

https://youtu.be/zMDtOtGFrYg

R650R

18th November 2020, 17:46

Trump makes history the first ever US president, who has only served one term, who has been impeached and who has lost the popular vote not once, let alone twice.
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He was acquitted of impeachment, acquitted means better than not guilty, that there’s no evidence of the charge and you can’t be charged again!
Cracks me up that such an epically fail ever get so mentioned by the anti trumps at all lol, they must be so embarrassed at the biggest fail ever.

Also lest we forget the dems refused to allow evidence to be presented as the whole dirty laubdry of the Biden Ukraine fiasco would have been on public record. God that must have tormented them...

PrincessBandit

18th November 2020, 17:50

He was acquitted of impeachment, acquitted means better than not guilty, that there’s no evidence of the charge and you can’t be charged again!

Yeah, and we all know how that happened. Hint: it wasn't for lack of evidence

Kickaha

18th November 2020, 18:12

Some juicy stuff in here about the workings and background of dominion vote systems.
Gets good few minutes in....

Chavez was elected in 1999, Dominion voting wasn't founded until 2003, I wonder what else she got wrong

pritch

18th November 2020, 18:53

He was acquitted of impeachment, acquitted means better than not guilty, that there’s no evidence of the charge and you can’t be charged again!
Cracks me up that such an epically fail ever get so mentioned by the anti trumps at all lol, they must be so embarrassed at the biggest fail ever.

Also lest we forget the dems refused to allow evidence to be presented as the whole dirty laubdry of the Biden Ukraine fiasco would have been on public record. God that must have tormented them...

A) Your English skills need work.

B) Trump was, and will be forever, impeached.

C) Trump was clearly as guilty as sin.

The Republican senators all took a sacred oath to do their duty, which they had no intention of keeping. That should come back to haunt every single one of the fake Christian arseholes.

husaberg

18th November 2020, 19:47

After weeks of discussions among legislators, the House of Representatives voted to impeach the 45th President, Donald Trump, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress on December 18, 2019. The vote fell largely along party lines: 230 in favor, 197 against and 1 present. Trump became only the third president ever to be impeached joining Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton,

According to lefty media it’s peaceful protest even when burning a car behind a live news broadcast.

https://policetribune.com/cnn-calls-riot-mostly-peaceful-as-reporter-stands-in-front-of-burning-buildings/

Reality rather than R650R
CNN Calls Riot ‘"Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As Reporter Stands In Front Of Burning Buildings.

Jimenez reported that the daylight protests "were largely peaceful," but the situation quickly changed at night.
"What you are seeing now, these images, came and come in stark contrast to what we saw over the course of the daytime hours in Kenosha and into the early evening, which were largely peaceful demonstrations in the face of law enforcement,” Jimenez said.

R650R

18th November 2020, 20:49

Chavez was elected in 1999, Dominion voting wasn't founded until 2003, I wonder what else she got wrong

And then reelected d many times ;)

R650R

18th November 2020, 20:56

https://youtu.be/6rV8z1rA0q0
After weeks of discussions among legislators, the House of Representatives voted to impeach the 45th President, Donald Trump, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress on December 18, 2019. The vote fell largely along party lines: 230 in favor, 197 against and 1 present. Trump became only the third president ever to be impeached joining Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton,

Reality rather than R650R
CNN Calls Riot ‘"Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As Reporter Stands In Front Of Burning Buildings.

Jimenez reported that the daylight protests "were largely peaceful," but the situation quickly changed at night.
"What you are seeing now, these images, came and come in stark contrast to what we saw over the course of the daytime hours in Kenosha and into the early evening, which were largely peaceful demonstrations in the face of law enforcement,” Jimenez said.

husaberg

18th November 2020, 22:14

youtube video

Interesting that instead of replying to how you clearly misquoted someone in an attempt to create a further false narrative, you instead just troll away again.
Good work sport you are clearly showing me up there.
Maybe if you continue totally ignore how you are refusing to admit what you posted was false, whilst at the same time making out others are spreading false accusations, no one will notice, or maybe you should just post another troll.
# hint trolling works best if you can anger the person you are trying to troll, you instead are just making people feel sympathetic to your general lack of intelligence and high levels of hypocrisy.

According to lefty media it’s peaceful protest even when burning a car behind a live news broadcast.

https://policetribune.com/cnn-calls-riot-mostly-peaceful-as-reporter-stands-in-front-of-burning-buildings/

Reality rather than R650R
CNN Calls Riot ‘"Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As Reporter Stands In Front Of Burning Buildings.

Jimenez reported that the daylight protests "were largely peaceful," but the situation quickly changed at night.
"What you are seeing now, these images, came and come in stark contrast to what we saw over the course of the daytime hours in Kenosha and into the early evening, which were largely peaceful demonstrations in the face of law enforcement,” Jimenez said.

pritch

19th November 2020, 08:00

Should have added absolute power in his own mind, in his own reality

Actually just prior to the election this was a major concern for some people. It's highly classified and not usually mentioned, except that Trump tweeted reference to it as soon as he was briefed - of course. The president has huge "emergency powers," pretty much no limits. There was the worry that he would declare such an emergency prior to the election with the intention of stopping it.

TheDemonLord

19th November 2020, 10:21

Actually just prior to the election this was a major concern for some people. It's highly classified and not usually mentioned, except that Trump tweeted reference to it as soon as he was briefed - of course. The president has huge "emergency powers," pretty much no limits. There was the worry that he would declare such an emergency prior to the election with the intention of stopping it.

What an Interesting post, Pritch...

That the president whom 'everyone' was worried would be a Dictator, would seize powers for himself, manufacture an Emergency etc. when faced with a global emergency that world leaders were falling over themselves to strip citizens of their rights and grant themselves 'emergency powers'...

Trump didn't.

And don't you find that interesting, that all the 'experts' that had 'diagnosed' Trump and determined his 'Character flaws', were utterly wrong in their predictions?

pritch

19th November 2020, 10:31

What an Interesting post, Pritch...

That the president whom 'everyone' was worried would be a Dictator, would seize powers for himself, manufacture an Emergency etc. when faced with a global emergency that world leaders were falling over themselves to strip citizens of their rights and grant themselves 'emergency powers'...

Trump didn't.

And don't you find that interesting, that all the 'experts' that had 'diagnosed' Trump and determined his 'Character flaws', were utterly wrong in their predictions?

Utterly wrong in their predictions? He is hiding in the White House unable to process his loss, behaving exactly like the three year old toddler he has been assessed to be.
Your argument is about as convincing as saying that he's OK because he hasn't actually nuked anybody yet. He's still got until noon 20 January.

Purely a guess on my part, but the reason for his reluctance "to strip citizens of their rights" was simply because that might panic the stock market.

TheDemonLord

19th November 2020, 10:52

Utterly wrong in their predictions? He is hiding in the White House unable to process his loss, behaving exactly like the three year old toddler he has been assessed to be.

Oh? Has the Electoral college cast it's vote yet? I must have missed that?

Oh, they haven't? So he's not lost anything yet? And his behaviour is entirely rational?

Your argument is about as convincing as saying that he's OK because he hasn't actually nuked anybody yet. He's still got until noon 20 January.

Which puts him in better moral standing than every president in my lifetime (that is, not starting a new War, not nuking)

Purely a guess on my part, but the reason for his reluctance "to strip citizens of their rights" was simply because that might panic the stock market.

So, he takes a libertarian, free market and federalist approach to things, and then you wonder why I like him.

But to re-iterate it - there's a certain Irony that must even resonate with you, that the Man that everyone called a wannabe dictator, fascist etc. has acted in a less authoritarian manner than his Peers.

pritch

19th November 2020, 11:21

Oh? Has the Electoral college cast it's vote yet? I must have missed that?

Oh, they haven't? So he's not lost anything yet? And his behaviour is entirely rational?

The electoral college does not dictate the timing of the transition. There have been several instances of presidential elections being in dispute, but I've not read of another where the incumbant lost and just refused to accept reality. In Trump's own words 306 to 232 is a landslide.

I'd be concerned for anybody who considered his behaviour rational, their grip on reality would appear tenuous.

TheDemonLord

19th November 2020, 12:04

The electoral college does not dictate the timing of the transition. There have been several instances of presidential elections being in dispute, but I've not read of another where the incumbant lost and just refused to accept reality. In Trump's own words 306 to 232 is a landslide.

But he hasn't lost.

Not until the Electoral College actually vote.

Until all the Lawsuits, disputes etc. are settled and that process happens, no one has won or lost anything.

And I think it's time to bring up again Bush V Gore - where Al Gore was declared by the media the winner, and referred to as the President Elect for 30? days, only for Bush to win once the actual process completed

I'd be concerned for anybody who considered his behaviour rational, their grip on reality would appear tenuous.

It's really simple - The Media doesn't get to call an Election, once you recognize that fact, his behavior is entirely rational.

Kickaha

19th November 2020, 14:31

his behavior is entirely rational.

Really? you cant have been paying much attention to the claims he has made

TheDemonLord

19th November 2020, 14:31

I'm not sure if everyone has been following the Georgia re-count.

The abridged version is that 2 counties have had instances where vote tallys that are stored on the Machine (on a USB Memory stick or similar) were not transferred and uploaded.

In each case, it was ~2,500 votes not counted (so about 5,000 total votes).

In each case, The vote tally favoured Trump - which has cut the deficit to Biden from over 14,000, to ~12,900. A decrease in Biden's lead by almost 10%.

Now, to be clear, it's not like this is making a huge difference to the overall count, but considering how small the margin is (relative to the size of the US), it's interesting - but the really interesting point is this:

Assume for the moment that there is a set margin of error for an election - and that this margin of error has a 50/50 chance of favouring one candidate over the other. From a pure stats point of view - in each case where anomalies have been picked up as part of the recount, the errors only seem to favour Biden (Not just in Georgia).

To any reasonable person, seeing cases of Human error in an Election is understandable. Seeing those errors approximately evenly affected each candidate is understandable.

Seeing errors that only go in one direction, however, is grounds to ask whether they are the result of random errors and despite a 50/50 chance, that they all swing one way, or whether there was a helping hand.

TheDemonLord

19th November 2020, 14:42

Really? you cant have been paying much attention to the claims he has made

We'll see, He'll either be vindicated or vilified.

husaberg

19th November 2020, 15:39

Utterly wrong in their predictions? He is hiding in the White House unable to process his loss, behaving exactly like the three year old toddler he has been assessed to be.
Your argument is about as convincing as saying that he's OK because he hasn't actually nuked anybody yet. He's still got until noon 20 January.

Purely a guess on my part, but the reason for his reluctance "to strip citizens of their rights" was simply because that might panic the stock market.

Declaring a countrywide state of emergency to circumvent a lack of support for the funding of his wall.

R650R

19th November 2020, 16:05

R650R

19th November 2020, 16:12

....,

To any reasonable person, seeing cases of Human error in an Election is understandable. Seeing those errors approximately evenly affected each candidate is understandable.

Seeing errors that only go in one direction, however, is grounds to ask whether they are the result of random errors and despite a 50/50 chance, that they all swing one way, or whether there was a helping hand.

Word on the street is that Trump was watching the election computer machines live through the backdoors that the CIA has for when they run “other” elections.
But because that’s high classified systems he can’t even mention it...
Apparently there’s a few vids around but YouTube is deleting them fast where major news networks were having tally’s jump backwards on LIVE broadcast, but blink and you miss the software hijack hi jinks hokerybpokery witchcraft...

I don’t know if many nz viewers picked up on it but different news channels and news websites were showing different electoral vote tally’s in early stage, how can this be???

Kickaha

19th November 2020, 16:35

Word on the street is that Trump was watching the election computer machines live through the backdoors that the CIA has for when they run “other” elections.

Word on the street?, WTF kind of crackhead would believe that ? fuck these cunts are getting desperate making shit like that up, if the CIA had those backdoors and he could access those machines then he could rig it in his favour

1/32 man

19th November 2020, 16:45

The Mrs has dual citizenship, Canada and USA.
I have watched a lot, listened to a lot and now am thoroughly fucked off with the US situation and most of the Trump regime people and the GOP...

So what do I do?

Where’s the remote and what channel is CNN?

Nah, basically I have stopped paying attention to protect my state of mind.

MaxPenguin

19th November 2020, 17:39

mashman

19th November 2020, 19:07

Yes he could have, but that wouldn't be a good conspiracy theory.

That's why you add votes to the other side and guarantee that fraud is found.

Grumph

19th November 2020, 19:19

And I think it's time to bring up again Bush V Gore - where Al Gore was declared by the media the winner, and referred to as the President Elect for 30? days, only for Bush to win once the actual process completed
.

If you must bring that up. Gore was the presumptive winner on election night figures. But it was close enough that the Clinton administration - of which Gore was the VP, remember - allowed Bush to receive the presidential briefings.
And I believe, the GSA allowed him the transition budget too. But the holdup in the courts did delay the completion of the transition - which led to the opportunity for 9/11 indirectly.

What we have here isn't even close. To win Trump has to flip four states. Which is highly unlikely. But Trump won't allow Biden access to anything. Which even the GOP is saying is dangerous.
Let alone managing the Covid response. At Trump's current rate of progress he should be charged with the deaths of probably 5000 plus US citizens between now and Jan 20.

But hey, the US is the land of the free - and the dumb. If they follow him off the cliff it's their funeral.

husaberg

19th November 2020, 19:29

If you must bring that up. Gore was the presumptive winner on election night figures. But it was close enough that the Clinton administration - of which Gore was the VP, remember - allowed Bush to receive the presidential briefings.
And I believe, the GSA allowed him the transition budget too. But the holdup in the courts did delay the completion of the transition - which led to the opportunity for 9/11 indirectly.

What we have here isn't even close. To win Trump has to flip four states. Which is highly unlikely. But Trump won't allow Biden access to anything. Which even the GOP is saying is dangerous.
Let alone managing the Covid response. At Trump's current rate of progress he should be charged with the deaths of probably 5000 plus US citizens between now and Jan 20.

But hey, the US is the land of the free - and the dumb. If they follow him off the cliff it's their funeral.

lets have a look at that Bush gore election
347741

pritch

19th November 2020, 19:48

Trump's neice Mary warned that he would react badly to losing. The - if I'm going down you're all coming with me - type of thing. There are currently reports of Trump making moves that will complicate the Biden presidency. Overseas this includes upsetting existing power balances with major arms sales. In the USA he is actually creating the "deep state" that he raved about, but which did not previously exist.

Even such a staunch Trump supporter as Moscow Mitch McConnell has spoken against major policy changes before Jan 20th.

Biden will have a big enough problem with the pandemic without all the mental case stuff Trump is dreaming up.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/11/18/white-house-admits-trump-is-intentionally-sabotaging-us-foreign-policy-so-biden-will-fail.html

R650R

19th November 2020, 20:16

Word on the street?, WTF kind of crackhead would believe that ? fuck these cunts are getting desperate making shit like that up, if the CIA had those backdoors and he could access those machines then he could rig it in his favour

When I post something or part thereof, it does not mean I believe or support a view 100%.
It’s merely hey some folks might find this interesting, some maybe not.
Bit like going to a boutique craft beer brewery and throwing down $20 to see if you and a mate share tastes on an unknown beverage.
You might swallow or you might spit it out, depends on your past experiences I guess.

husaberg

19th November 2020, 20:24

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Yet
Sen. Graham rammed through nominee Amy Coney Barrett as fast as possible, trying to confirm her right before an election in record time. He claimed that he and President Donald Trump have a mandate from the voters, despite the facts and while Americans are already voting.

TheDemonLord

19th November 2020, 20:29

lets have a look at that Bush gore election

Indeed...

In a single State (which implement strict rules for mail-in ballots afterwards), the total number of rejected votes was around 12,500, Considering how close some swing states are/were - not outside the realms of possibility.

R650R

19th November 2020, 21:25

Used to really like this guy, own couple of his earlier books. He exposed lot of corruption during bush era... but he’s become very left leaning.
Has written LOTS of articles about USA election fraud despite the lefties here saying it doesn’t happen....
He’s jumped the shark though with “how trump stole 2020” lmao

https://www.gregpalast.com/the-uncounted-americas-ghost-voters/

Kickaha

19th November 2020, 22:00

Has written LOTS of articles about USA election fraud despite the lefties here saying it doesn’t happen....

You wouldn't have a fucking clue about most people on here and their political leaning, you're just pulling assumptions out of your arse

Laava

20th November 2020, 06:32

https://twitter.com/richardhrbenyon/status/1329082454200631297?s=21

pete376403

20th November 2020, 07:29

lets have a look at that Bush gore election
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Not to overlook the fact that a recount was started, but NOT COMPLETED - the supreme court stopped the recount, so it was never established that bush did in fact get more votes in total, only that he had more votes at the point the recount was stopped. Coup d'etat by the supreme court. What trump is planning on happening again.

pritch

20th November 2020, 08:05

Coup d'etat by the supreme court. What trump is planning on happening again.

Pretty much. He makes a point of broadcasting everything beforehand. But first the electoral college...

Like TDL Trump is hanging his hat on the electoral college. Trump hopes to corrupt the process in favour of himself. That should be laughable, and there are plenty who find it funny, but some think it should be taken seriously. He would need three states to join him in his plan for it to succeed.

For anyone interested:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/19/how-electoral-college-works-437749

TheDemonLord

20th November 2020, 08:27

Like TDL Trump is hanging his hat on the electoral college.

Except, I'm not hanging my hat on it, I'm only deferring to it - since it is the institution that actually determines the Election result, not the media.

Big difference.

pritch

20th November 2020, 09:02

Except, I'm not hanging my hat on it, I'm only deferring to it - since it is the institution that actually determines the Election result, not the media.

Big difference.

You seem to be having a lot of trouble understanding that the media don't claim to determine the result. They report wnhat the election officials give them. The media are just the messengers.

TheDemonLord

20th November 2020, 09:16

You seem to be having a lot of trouble understanding that the media don't claim to determine the result. They report wnhat the election officials give them. The media are just the messengers.

Oh, so the Electoral college have declared Biden the President Elect?

No?

Seems I'm not the one who has 'trouble understanding'

pritch

20th November 2020, 14:28

Oh, so the Electoral college have declared Biden the President Elect?

No?

Seems I'm not the one who has 'trouble understanding'

I beg to differ. The electoral college do not declare the president elect. By law the head of the GSA does that, and it's done from the information passed by the electoral officials to the media. And it should have been done by now.

In other news. The Georgia recount is complete and Biden was the winner. Again.

TheDemonLord

20th November 2020, 14:47

I beg to differ. The electoral college do not declare the president elect. By law the head of the GSA does that, and it's done from the information passed by the electoral officials to the media. And it should have been done by now.

Indeed, passed TO the media.

Not FROM the media.

In other news. The Georgia recount is complete and Biden was the winner. Again.

I generally don't like to comment on breaking news, however on this occasion, I'll nibble - don't you find it interesting that his lead of 14,000 dropped to 12,000 - where there are 'errors' they only seem to favour Biden...

husaberg

20th November 2020, 15:09

Not to overlook the fact that a recount was started, but NOT COMPLETED - the supreme court stopped the recount, so it was never established that bush did in fact get more votes in total, only that he had more votes at the point the recount was stopped. Coup d'etat by the supreme court. What trump is planning on happening again.

Not only that they kept on excluding and throwing out votes until Bush won.
trumps tried his best and he's still losing.

pritch

20th November 2020, 15:39

Indeed, passed TO the media.

Not FROM the media.

The GSA get it from the media who get it from the officials. Same as we do, that's how it works.

The electoral college puts a rubber stamp on it normally. As is usually the case with Trump though, nothing is normal.

pritch

20th November 2020, 15:41

Not only that they kept on excluding and throwing out votes until Bush won.
trumps tried his best and he's still losing.

It all came down to Florida and as soon as I knew the governor of Florida was Bush's brother I could see how that was going to end.

R650R

20th November 2020, 16:00

It all came down to Florida and as soon as I knew the governor of Florida was Bush's brother I could see how that was going to end.

Jeb Bush was also head of the company that had the “security” contract for the twin towers leading up to 911.... hour convenient was that...

mashman

20th November 2020, 16:52

It starts about 56-58 mins. Got 30 mins in so far, but there's more answers to your questions than a stick can be shaked, shooken, at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSDWQQ

R650R

20th November 2020, 17:13

HEres a shorter vid Mash, with the juicy stuff in last three mins
https://youtu.be/MQMqHaR9N5k

husaberg

20th November 2020, 17:43

Rudi claims to have evidence yet again produces zero evidence..........
Wow that's some hard hitting evidence there............<marquee behavior="scroll" direction="left" scrollamount="2">of trump suporter stupidity</marquee>

sugilite

20th November 2020, 17:50

HEres a shorter vid Mash, with the juicy stuff in last three mins
https://youtu.be/MQMqHaR9N5k

And yet Trump has lost 29/1 in the courts, many are federal conservative judges. 29 to 1!!!!
The case in that very interview when the judge mentioned there was no mention of fraud in the case Rudi was presenting, rudy goes ahh yeah, this case is not about fraud.
Why? Because there is no evidence of any of the bullshit he is talking about.

I guess one persons "juicy stuff" is anthers steaming turd.

husaberg

20th November 2020, 18:33

https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/trumpnuketweetmain.jpg

pritch

20th November 2020, 19:09

Why? Because there is no evidence of any of the bullshit he is talking about.
I guess one persons "juicy stuff" is anthers steaming turd.

Exactly. Before the election there was talk of the "red mirage." It was assumed, for a number of reasons, that the early results would favour Republicans. The first results to come in are from rural electorates which are smaller and favour the Republicans. Similar to here. Votes from the big population centres come later and tend to favour Democrats. Again, similar to here. Some states had held back the postal votes, which favoured Democrats, until Election Day. So the early Republican lead was misleading. That was understood, the question was whether the early Republican lead would be big enough? It wasn't.

There is no mystery. Except for those for whom everyday life is a mystery.

mashman

20th November 2020, 20:57

HEres a shorter vid Mash, with the juicy stuff in last three mins

Chur. Fortunately I have the attention span to watch the whole thing. It is important after all, and the scolding of the media was makin' me giggle. I found there to be more than 10 minutes worth of watch in the first 15 minutes so endeavoured to have the fuller picture painted instead of allowing soundbites paint the picture. It is important.

mashman

20th November 2020, 21:01

The case in that very interview when the judge mentioned there was no mention of fraud in the case Rudi was presenting, rudy goes ahh yeah, this case is not about fraud.
Why? Because there is no evidence of any of the bullshit he is talking about.

Is that the case were the 2 Republican board members had suddenly changed their minds with regards to certifying the results in Michigan?

sugilite

20th November 2020, 21:19

Is that the case were the 2 Republican board members had suddenly changed their minds with regards to certifying the results in Michigan?

Or maybe the dickheads realized throwing their professional and personal lives away for an out going 1 term president may just not be worth it.

Updated count now 32 failed court cases to 1.

mashman

20th November 2020, 22:03

Or maybe the dickheads realized throwing their professional and personal lives away for an out going 1 term president may just not be worth it.

Is that a yes or no? Hard to tell through the slather.

sugilite

21st November 2020, 06:42

Is that a yes or no? Hard to tell through the slather.
Were they part of a court case?

And slather? You are promoting the video showing the rantings of the guy below that went on for over an hour? The ravings that have been rejected 32 to 1 in the courts? In some cases by Trump appointed judges. And you call my response slather? :laugh:

https://compote.slate.com/images/74c81fb9-21d7-47b6-ab68-3048923eec21.jpeg

Did you tun in the latest election? If so - how did you go?

nerrrd

21st November 2020, 06:56

You know what would be really annoying? If you’d fixed one election successfully, then had another, subsequent election which you also fixed using the same scams that worked for you the last time...and lost.

Might be really frustrating. And difficult to prove.

Of course I might be just making that up, with no evidence whatsoever other than my own prejudices.

pritch

21st November 2020, 07:59

mashman

21st November 2020, 08:53

Were they part of a court case?

And slather? You are promoting the video showing the rantings of the guy below that went on for over an hour? The ravings that have been rejected 32 to 1 in the courts? In some cases by Trump appointed judges. And you call my response slather? :laugh:

I asked you a simple question with regards to a particular case regarding certification. You chose to go all TDL by reading something into something that simply wasn't there. Also, I promoted nothing of the sort. Yes, slather. You have no evidence for why I posted the video and did exactly what you accuse the Rudeboy and team of doing. The projected satire of it all is giving me a woody though, chur.

pritch

21st November 2020, 15:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkuzLFjO1yU

Trump has met with the Michigan politicians and they have issued a statement,
“As legislative leaders, we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors, just as we have said throughout this election,”

It now remains to be seen if they actually do what they say.

What a sad travesty Rudy Giuliani has become. He was for a time US Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Staff at the time said he wasn't always in the office as he was constantly jumping in front of microphones and TV cameras in an effort to get himself elected as mayor.

I was listening to a podcast this morning and a person who used to work with Giuliani said there was always good Rudy and bad Rudi. If an NYPD cop was killed on duty Rudy would be at the hospital, at whatever hour of the night, to comfort the family.

Following the 9/11 attack he showed enough leadership to be considered "America's Mayor." Now he's holding a series of insane press conferences, like the one at the "Four Seasons Total Landscaping" which was meant to be at the Four Seasons Hotel but they fucked up the booking. That was the one next to the porno movie place.

Then the latest sweaty effort with the hair dye running down both sides of his face as he spouted nonsense conspiracy theories which he would not dare repeat in court. When asked by a judge recently if he was alleging fraud he repiied that he was not. There are penalties for lawyers who lie to the judge.

Now his team have filed a case in Michigan which was meant to be filed in Minnesota.

He is providing ammunition to the hosts of the late night shows, but it's sad really, he has destroyed his reputation. He may not even get paid. Trump is not famous for paying his bills.

husaberg

21st November 2020, 15:13

Even Fox news isnt buying Rudi and Trumps latest crapfest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDAohtlJDKI

husaberg

21st November 2020, 15:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoYrw1N4Tj4

SaferRides

22nd November 2020, 07:25

The real worry is what Trump will do next month after he's run out of options to overturn the election. That could get very ugly.

R650R

22nd November 2020, 08:08

The real worry is what Trump will do next month after he's run out of options to overturn the election. That could get very ugly.

No it won’t. Trump is a business man and his name is his brand. Once legal avenues dry up he will leave if that eventuates. That’s why he pullingvtroops out, he knows silly wars are economic disaster for USA. He wiped out Isis then pulled the troops out of Syria saving lives and money, no more need to be there.

The left are projecting what they would do....
If it doesn’t work out Trump will be like meh what’s next. Just look at his past he’s picked himself up after massive business fails then gone onwards to success again somewhere else. This is how people at that level function, they don’t do the tantrum game cause it makes no money.

pritch

22nd November 2020, 08:56

No it won’t. Trump is a business man and his name is his brand. Once legal avenues dry up he will leave if that eventuates. That’s why he pullingvtroops out, he knows silly wars are economic disaster for USA. He wiped out Isis then pulled the troops out of Syria saving lives and money, no more need to be there.

The left are projecting what they would do....
If it doesn’t work out Trump will be like meh what’s next. Just look at his past he’s picked himself up after massive business fails then gone onwards to success again somewhere else. This is how people at that level function, they don’t do the tantrum game cause it makes no money.

That's a strange alternate reality you inhabit.

Trump is a failed businessman. Many times over.

He pulled the troops out of part of Syria which let the Turks attack America's allies, the Kurds, and the Russians promptly moved into the area taking it over from the US. Trump did this in response to a phone call from Erdogan, that's documented. My suggestion would be that Erdogan leaned on Trump by threatening the two Trump propeerties in Turkey.

It's not the left who are projecting, that's Trump's thing. Had you been paying attention you might have noticed that virtually everything he has accused somebody else of doing is something he was doing himself.

That miraculous business recovery will probably turn out ot be a Russian money laundering operation. His sons used to boast about the money they were getting from Russia. No American bank will have anything to do with him, and haven't for years.

Trump does tantrums, he has been assessed by professionals as having the emotional development of a three year old.

pritch

22nd November 2020, 09:01

Today's news. The G20 are having a virtual summit conference. The topic for today is the pandemic. Trump is on the golf course.

R650R

22nd November 2020, 09:58

https://youtube.com/watch?noapp=1&v=jx9cMuMb2pk
That's a strange alternate reality you inhabit.

Trump is a failed businessman. Many times over.

He pulled the troops out of part of Syria which let the Turks attack America's allies, the Kurds, and the Russians promptly moved into the area taking it over from the US. Trump did this in response to a phone call from Erdogan, that's documented. My suggestion would be that Erdogan leaned on Trump by threatening the two Trump propeerties in Turkey.

Trump does tantrums, he has been assessed by professionals as having the emotional development of a three year old.

2004-2017 one of the MOST popular tv shows, people wanted to be successful like trump. Trump speaks near end of trailer. Notice no fake orange man manipulation of colour temps.

Turkey as zero leverage on USA its the other way around. They have a NATO base there with American F16 and AMERICAN nucleaur weapons stored there. If USA pulled out of Turkey they would have to start being nice to their neighbours, very nice.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?noapp=1&v=jx9cMuMb2pk

R650R

22nd November 2020, 10:02

Today's news. The G20 are having a virtual summit conference. The topic for today is the pandemic. Trump is on the golf course.

Im sure one of his aids will have an iPad.... LMAO

GOLF is not a leisure activity for high level people. GOLF was a sport invented so elite people could communicate sensitive material in an area that can't be bugged effectively and you can control whose nearby. All American presidents spent significant time at golf courses.

HenryDorsetCase

22nd November 2020, 10:02

Trumps legal "elite strike force" (their own description) filed a case in the wrong state. They wanted to bring a case in Minnesota but filed it in Michigan. They got their MI mixed up with their MN. Law degrees must be easy to get in the US, these peope are not what you would call competent.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/giuliani-michigan-minnesota-voter-fraud-mistake_n_5fb84237c5b680f7c38baebc

I read somewhere that the large/elite/competent firms have noped the fuck out of acting for cunttard so they are in fact scraping the bottom of the barrel. As demonstrated by Rudy Guiliani last week. Also they would want their retainer up front and cunttard is broke - again.

We have of course seen that pattern before where he had competent advisers, staff and Cabinet members who he fired or who quit and they were replaced with sycophants, toadies and victims of creepy incest.

I am looking forward to DC Police rolling into the White House and putting all his tacky shit (including all the frozen Melania body doubles) into trucks and trucking it to the river and dumping it on a garbage barge on 19 January. Thats some political theatre.

R650R

22nd November 2020, 10:25

Also they would want their retainer up front and cunttard is broke - again.

.

Everyone is upset at not seeing Trumps tax records, they worried he not paying his fair share....
But everyone says Trump a business failure and is broke....
When your broke and or your business fails you usually don't pay taxes, if you have a decent accountant you actually get a refund well in no anyway lol

So which one is it ? Broke or taxes to pay cause it can't be both....

husaberg

22nd November 2020, 10:49

Trump holds press conference refuses to answer questions.
claims all big business were against him, odd considering he's a republican ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFqeao4trU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl9yqX4PkIw
Propaganda Barbie has first white house press briefing since Oct 1st only answers basically from pro-trump reporters.
wining...........

pritch

22nd November 2020, 11:02

I read somewhere that the large/elite/competent firms have noped the fuck out of acting for cunttard so they are in fact scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Surprisingly there were perhaps three serious firms hanging in there, but when he started all this crazy shit post election they bailed.

pritch

22nd November 2020, 11:18

Everyone is upset at not seeing Trumps tax records, they worried he not paying his fair share....
But everyone says Trump a business failure and is broke....
When your broke and or your business fails you usually don't pay taxes, if you have a decent accountant you actually get a refund well in no anyway lol

So which one is it ? Broke or taxes to pay cause it can't be both....

You start off with a wrong assumption. We know now how much federal tax he has paid, US$750.00 last year. (A bit less than the $795.00 he charges for a bottle of Dom Perignon in his NY hotel.) IIRC he paid no federal tax for eight of the last twenty years.

What they really want is to see is the values he has assigned various assets in his tax records. They'd then check those against the values stated in his bank records and his insurance records. Significant variations would make him liable for fraud charges. There are already witnesses say he does this, but the prosecutors need to see the paper work. All of it.