Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

Aaaaand more charges arrive for Giuliani. Y'all may recall how he stated outside the courtroom that he was telling the truth about the election workers interfering with the votes. In case anyone missed that he went online in a podcast or similar and repeated it. This time Ms Moss and Ms Freeman are not seeking money, he hasn't got any. They are seeking an injunction to stop him defaming them. If they get that and Giuliani persists, as seems likely, he could find himself deservedly locked up.

[pritch]

This morning a vehicle rammed one of the SUVs in Biden’s motorcade kicking off a security alert. It seems the driver was a DUI. Be difficult to pick a worse vehicle to hit if you were pissed.

[Laava]

Lols!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/301030149/in-landmark-ruling-colorado-supreme-court-bans-donald-trump-from-running-for-president
They should go one step further and make it illegal for anyone to say his name.

[Laava]

And he will endlessly appeal, drag it out, then claim bankruptcy bla bla bla…
Lols, called it…ish…he went straight to bankruptcy!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/301031249/rudy-giuliani-files-for-bankruptcy-after-being-ordered-to-pay-us148-million-in-damages

[1/32 man]

The Mrs who reads X/twitter read out to me that Trump wears "Depends" ie nappies for incontinent adults.
This is due to a lack of bowel control due to excessive drug use (Aderol) over the years.
Sometimes there is a leak of odour and he is apparently not that nice to be near.....and sometimes he will shit himself on purpose for effect.

True? False?

[Grumph]

Remember, this is the man who complained about how small volume toilet flushes were now.

Would appear to be his specialist subject.

[husaberg]

Nice one, He put trumps idiotic speech involving airports in historical events onto biden. Then says as a result Biden is thus unfit for office then gets corrected it was Trump and says thats okay then no big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ilWxRn0_A&t=46s

[neels]

Lols, called it…ish…he went straight to bankruptcy!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/301031249/rudy-giuliani-files-for-bankruptcy-after-being-ordered-to-pay-us148-million-in-damages
The plaintiffs in the case would probably have preferred a judgement of 1 million over 148 million, at least then they might have had a chance of actually seeing some money.

[pritch]

The plaintiffs in the case would probably have preferred a judgement of 1 million over 148 million, at least then they might have had a chance of actually seeing some money.

Apparently the "malice" factor in the legal situation is such that bankruptcy will not protect Giuliani against the verdict. The women won't get 148 million but they should still get whatever he has, although the IRS too may take a chunk.

[pritch]

An unusual Christmas greeting message. Somebody is not well?

[sugilite]

Shhhhhh, stable genius at work :shifty:

[husaberg]

Shhhhhh, stable genius at work :shifty:

plenty of horse shit at the stable....

[pritch]

This is getting interesting. Two states have now barred Trump from running for President in their primary elections under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. States do have the power to run the elections held in that state but of course these rulings will be appealed to the Supreme Court.

S3 14th Amendment reads:
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

My first reaction was that Trump hadn't yet been found guilty of insurrection. You will note though there is no mention of a requirement to be found guilty of anything, only "shall have engaged". Trumps lawyers have been forced to be creative. They claim the position of President is not an office in the terms of Section 3. Even more creatively (desperately?) they claim Trump did not swear an oath to support the United States Constitution. He only swore an oath to "preserve protect and defend" the Constitution.

Just today, a new development. Justice Neil Gorsuch, one of the nine Supreme Court Justices, when he was a Federal Appeals Court Judge ruled as per the attachment.

If the Supreme Court are to rule in Trump's favour it would seem they will have to be even more creative than Trump's lawyers.

[pritch]

Unorthodox defence from one of Trump's lawyers. She raises the possibility that he is guilty of insurrection.

[Pursang]

Lots of punters and such are not happy about trump being barred from ballots.

They claim that "the US Voters should decide".

To put it in terms even a MAGA should understand... a 'football analogy'

Politics is a Game, The Constitution is the Rule Book.

Players make a promise to obey , support, protect, etc. the Rules.

trump seriously broke the Rules, the Rule Book says that he can't play again!

It really doesn't matter what his fans, the spectators or the commentators think.

[pritch]

Forty five years ago or thereabout an item was produced "God created a farmer." It has been parodied on a number of occasions but this latest takes the cake. Even some evangelical pastors think this goes too far as it refers to Trump with biblical verses describing Jesus. It should be hilarious but too many people will take it as gospel.

I couldn't find a YouTube clip, and I've waited a couple of days, this is from Marjorie Taylor Greene's Facebook page. Of course.

https://www.facebook.com/MarjorieTaylorGreene/videos/741275524207589

[Laava]

Make America Gay As.
I was waiting for the punchline.

[Grumph]

I was amused to see on another forum an American member's comment on Trump's claim of Presidential immunity.

Trump and lawyers obviously haven't thought it through. If as they suggest, he could have opposition politicians assassinated, with immunity from prosecution, what's to stop Biden from ordering Trump and his team shot immediately.

[sugilite]

I was amused to see on another forum an American member's comment on Trump's claim of Presidential immunity.

Trump and lawyers obviously haven't thought it through. If as they suggest, he could have opposition politicians assassinated, with immunity from prosecution, what's to stop Biden from ordering Trump and his team shot immediately.Make it pay for view and the American national debt would be slashed in half.

As an aside I love telling magas over at fox news comments that vice president kamala Harris is not going to certify the 24 election and now biden is president for life - which would at best be another 6 months if they really thought about it....

Sent from my CPH2499 using Tapatalk

[pritch]

It's not that Trump impressed as being bright but yesterday was special. In the New York fraud trial the judge has already found him and other officers of the Trump Organisation guilty of fraud. What is being decided now is how much it will cost him. He asked to be able to address the court during the summation. This is unusual, parties to a case do not address the court, lawyers from each side sum up their case and that's it. The judge told him that if he was to address the court he must restrict himself to the facts of the case. He was not to make a campaign speech and he was given a deadline by which to indicate his decision. The deadline passed with no response.

Yesterday though the judge gave Trump the opportunity to speak and he immediately launched into an attack on the case, on the Attorney General, and on the judge. The same judge who is currently deciding how much he should pay. The Attorney General is seeking $370 million US. The judge told Trump's lawyer to control his client then adjourned for lunch. Trump didn't return after lunch, he held a press conference.

Whatever the judge decides Trump will appeal it of course, but his legal fees must be astronomical. He has not been using his own money yet, but he might soon be running low on other people's money.

"Legal fees" is a nebulous concept. Trump has just lost the case he took against the New York Times for information they printed about his taxes. Costs and legal fees for both sides were awarded against him, the NYT side alone toalling over $392 thousand. That's just one case of many and one which he didn't need to take.

[pritch]

It's potentially confusing but the first E Jean Carroll defamation case kicked off today. Trump's Lead Counsel is Alina Haba and her experience conducting the legal affairs for her husband's parking building is on full display. In Federal Court. The theatrics that the Trump team has displayed in the recent New York fraud trial will not be tolerated in the higher Federal Court.

The judge issued a ruling, Haba started to argue. The judge told her to sit down. He pointed out that his rulings did not invite discussion, his rulings meant discussion ceased.

There is potential for entertainment in the coming days.

[Grumph]

It's supposed to only be about the amount of damages - but before it had started Trump was on truth social trying to retry the original case. And not incidentally, repeating the defamations again. Will none of his lawyers tell him what this visit to court is actually for ? Or are they scared to ?

Or in line with his standing policy does he again think that if you repeat a lie often enough, enough people will believe it ?


I was amused to see on TV3 news a Republican voter interviewed about the Primary. He said he liked Trump because he came right out with the truth - just like he did in his own life. The mind boggles.

[pritch]

It's supposed to only be about the amount of damages - but before it had started Trump was on truth social trying to retry the original case. And not incidentally, repeating the defamations again. Will none of his lawyers tell him what this visit to court is actually for ? Or are they scared to ?

Or in line with his standing policy does he again think that if you repeat a lie often enough, enough people will believe it ?

I was amused to see on TV3 news a Republican voter interviewed about the Primary. He said he liked Trump because he came right out with the truth - just like he did in his own life. The mind boggles.


While he was in court the first day he posted twenty times defaming Carroll on Truth Social. Well, he didn't post them but he had someone post them for him.

On day two one of Trump's lawyers jumped up and shouted "Objection." The judge asked him if he was a lawyer of record in the case. He was not, so the judge told him sit down. Apparently the lawyer is not even licensed to practice law in that state. This is not a crack legal team.

The MAGA voters are incredible. They post images of Trump in warrior scenes That's Trump the five time draft dodger.

The evangelicals compare him to Jesus (as does he himself). That's that guy who cheated on all of his wives, had rumpy puppy with a porn star and a Playboy bunny, who accumulated twenty six credible sexual assault claims, and who was recorded saying he just grabbed them by the pussy.

[Laava]

The evangelicals compare him to Jesus (as does he himself). That's that guy who cheated on all of his wives, had rumpy puppy with a porn star and a Playboy bunny, who accumulated twenty six credible sexual assault claims, and who was recorded saying he just grabbed them by the pussy.

Did Jesus do all that shit too? Bloody mexicans!

[R650R]

An interesting intellectual perspective

Oxford Union debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP08sIKXdLE&pp=ygUTb3hmb3JkIHVuaW9uIGRlYmF0ZQ%3D%3D

[1/32 man]

I just hope that there are enough rational people with enough intelligence in the US to vote out these looneys and we never have to hear or see anus mouth again.

What I have trouble understanding is the crazy system where the 81year old is the best the dems can come up with.

[pritch]

An interesting intellectual perspective

Oxford Union debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP08sIKXdLE&pp=ygUTb3hmb3JkIHVuaW9uIGRlYmF0ZQ%3D%3D



"intellectual?" There are claims that his doctorate is a fiction. The claims that he is a Nazi are actually credible.

Jordan, now Gorka? You admire strange people.

[R650R]

"intellectual?" There are claims that his doctorate is a fiction. The claims that he is a…..

I’ll just file that right along with all the “unnamed sources” “an anonymous White House official”

[Pursang]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEJOVKvbAAEcUU1.jpg

[pritch]

I’ll just file that right along with all the “unnamed sources” “an anonymous White House official”


Do as you wish. Godwin suspended his law when it became apparent that Trump had appointed fascists to his White House staff. Gorka being one.
https://www.thestranger.com/politics/2018/06/19/27874178/godwins-law-suspended-by-godwin

There is a photo of Gorka, who is Hungarian, wearing Hungarian Nazi insignia.

As for his doctorate. Mail order doctorates are very common in the US.

[sugilite]

I’ll just file that right along with all the “unnamed sources” “an anonymous White House official”

Speaking of questionable sources, remember when you posted up the link to that debunked 2000 mules entertainment video.
You want to see GOP hypocrisy set to max - check out this video below of republicans casting ballets...... My fucking God.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qu9IskEgKY&list=WL&index=2&t=2s&pp=gAQBiAQB

[Pursang]

Quote suglite: You want to see GOP hypocrisy set to max - check out this video below of republicans casting ballets...... My fucking God.....


And even then, (talk about useless MAGA functionaries), trump barely manages to get 51% of the vote.

[R650R]

Do as you wish. Godwin suspended his law when it became apparent that Trump had appointed fascists to his White House staff. Gorka being one.
https://www.thestranger.com/politics/2018/06/19/27874178/godwins-law-suspended-by-godwin

There is a photo of Gorka, who is Hungarian, wearing Hungarian Nazi insignia.

As for his doctorate. Mail order doctorates are very common in the US.

Straight to character assasination… so I take it you don’t disagree with the points made in his debate then. Some interesting points he made was Trump was the first non elite/senator/military person to win presidency.And he won with 130 million votes, the highest ever for any us President.And don’t say he rigged the election with the Russians because the democrat fact checking brigade is adamant after the Biden fiasco that elections can’t be rigged or stolen in USA.
Its the first time I’ve watched the guy I just found his point of view very interesting

[Pursang]

https://youcallthatart.files.wordpress.com/2024/01/image-11.png

[pete376403]

Straight to character assasination… so I take it you don’t disagree with the points made in his debate then. Some interesting points he made was Trump was the first non elite/senator/military person to win presidency.And he won with 130 million votes, the highest ever for any us President.And don’t say he rigged the election with the Russians because the democrat fact checking brigade is adamant after the Biden fiasco that elections can’t be rigged or stolen in USA.
Its the first time I’ve watched the guy I just found his point of view very interesting

Clinton vs trump vote margin - Clinton won the popular vote by 2,868,529.
Biden vs trump vote margin - Biden won the popular vote by by 7,059,526.

trump has never won the popular vote election, and only got the 2016 electoral college vote because the electors went against the wishes of their states
Where dies the trump 130 million come from? There were only 150 million votes in total for Biden and trump

Alternative facts?? It wouldnt be character assassination with you, more like mercy killing

[Laava]

If ever a character deserved assassination it is the BFOC.

[pritch]

Straight to character assasination…

How do you assassinate the character of a Nazi?

[jim.cox]

How do you assassinate the character of a Nazi?

Bullet to the brain stem should do it

[Pursang]

.
Republican presidential aspirant STEPS DOWN!
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https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=800,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/151/805/538/original/09bf28aa5cfef804.png

[sugilite]

ahhh, so Mr never back down has in fact backed down.

[husaberg]

ahhh, so Mr never back down has in fact backed down.

be interesting to see what happens now there will be no vote splitting.
But to be fair desatantoes was actually competing for trumps target demographic.
interesting he endorsed trump seeing what has been said. maybe it was a chance to at least get the 2ic ticket to trumps campaign?

[F5 Dave]

What are the dems doing to retaliate? Surely not putting that pisspot against him. Jesus they must be able to do better. People won't come out to vote. Fukn krist. Please don't let that fukin orange moron shit for brains win through apathy.
It was bad enough the first time. Fuck he is so stupid.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://youcallthatart.files.wordpress.com/2024/01/image-11.png

I have deliberately reposted this image because it rules. Kelly and Mattis are the ones to really take notice of here, particularly Mattis. Not a political person, he served because he was called to serve by POTUS. He is a number one double hard bastard, forty years USMC, retired as a four star general. Not a bullshitter.

I recommend to all his biography "Call Sign CHAOS" by Jim Mattis and Bing West. Very good. He recommends Marcus Aurelius in his reading list, which I am about to start. My point is, when he talks, it behooves us to listen. That's him, sitting next to Potus immediately to Potus' right

[husaberg]

What are the dems doing to retaliate? Surely not putting that pisspot against him. Jesus they must be able to do better. People won't come out to vote. Fukn krist. Please don't let that fukin orange moron shit for brains win through apathy.
It was bad enough the first time. Fuck he is so stupid.

Imagine if trump lost twice to the old grampa the most boring politician in history.
He called biden the worst candidate in US history and trump lost to him by about 7 million votes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfaf0R0Folo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzT_0tQQnB0

[Pursang]

https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:640x,quality:90x75/images/a5a683da6f0f8b26b3faeb99fa1d355475d764eefbd339c25d 99136edb3eedd7_1.jpg

[R650R]

When the CEO of a $500 billion dollar company speaks, everyone listens.

In other pieces of this puzzle, Dimon describes himself as “barely a Democrat” though he donates “serious cash” to the Democrats. He once said ‘My heart is Democratic but my brain is kind of Republican’. Six months ago Dimon hinted that he might consider serving his country (as President) himself.

And once, a long long time time ago, he was asked if he was interested in being the Treasury Secretary by the 45th President himself. He said he wasn’t interested at the time. Perhaps that’s changed?

https://joannenova.com.au/2024/01/pivot-point-ceo-of-jp-morgan-says-trump-was-kinda-right-and-his-supporters-deserve-respect/

Did Wall Street just step away from the poisonous left?
The head of the largest bank in the US said the unthinkable in Davos this week. Jamie Dimon, CEO of J.P. Morgan, and perhaps the most important banker in New York and thus the US, warned the Democrats that they were making a mistake demonizing Trump supporters. He even admitted Trump got some things “kind of” right, suggested rather radically that it was time people grew up “I mean, really?” he said “Can we stop that stuff” and “treat other people with respect and listen to them a little bit?”

Normally, JP Morgan can be counted to be on the same side as the big banker WEF cabal, or to some extent, driving it. Dimon has spent the last three months talking up Nikki Haley. So he is going right off the ranch here.

“I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about MAGA,” Dimon told CNBC on Wednesday from the World Economic Forum in Davos.

“I don’t think they are voting for Trump because of his family values,” Dimon said. “Just take a step back and be honest: He was kind of right about NATO. He was kind of right about immigration. He grew the economy quite well. Tax reform worked.”

Jamie Dimon seems be aware not only that Trump might win, but that the Democrats are fueling his campaign by maligning his supporters, in much the same way Hillary did when she called half the nation “Deplorables”. Obviously, if Trump wins, Dimon doesn’t want The President as an enemy. But it’s more than that — even though he’s speaking as if he’s a Democrat fan giving them advice — really he is backing slowly away from a trainwreck.

Earlier in the same interview he was passionate about the disaster that is uncontrolled immigration. He said “if you do not control the borders you are going to destroy the country”. Those are fighting words, not the tip-toeing “kinda right” verbiage, and it’s an implicit endorsement of the Trump trademark Build the Wall policy of 2016.

It’s as if he might have realized they created a monster. Destroying the country is a dynamite phrase. Even though both sides of the political spectrum will be listening to his every word, this is not kindly advice to the Democrats. Even if Democrats promised to “build a wall,” it’s too late now. Who would believe they’d do it come inauguration day? It’s way past that.

Quite possibly there’s another event cracking the socialist facade across the West, and that’s the unspoken dark hellfire of October 7th in Israel. That lifted the veil on the crazy pro-terrorist part of the Democrats — the apologists for baby beheading. Jamie Dimon didn’t mention that, but there are plenty of Jewish folk on Wall Street, and plenty of their non-Jewish colleagues have been mortified by the glee, the jubilation of barbarism inflicted on democratic voters that was expressed by large parts of today’s Democratic Party. The activist left are calling Donald Trump an existential threat to democracy, but then cheering on invaders who rape and murder women and send their mom a video of their “great success”. And who are those people coming uninvited and unvetted over the border of the USA?

Maybe we’ve reached a point where some of those pumping for Big-Gov have glimpsed the heart of darkness inside the Trojan Socialist Horse?

If the bankers of Wall Street are stepping away from the Democrats, even cheating may not save the left in this election. (Though jail or assassination are still in the toolkit).

If the person saying this was just a wayward billionaire, the talking heads on CNN and CNBC would be outraged. But Jamie Dimon controls a company with $4 trillion dollars in assets. He eats small banks for breakfast. After 200+ years on Wall Street, JP Morgan Chase is embedded at the core of the largest financial centre of the largest economy on Earth.

[pritch]

Those DeSantis boots Pursing posted were all veery nice but I always imagined him in cowboy Crocs.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/06/crocs-to-launch-cowboy-boot-design-complete-with-spurs



The situation in the upcoming US election is interesting. Currently it appears to be Biden V Trump. Biden should win that. If Trump is unable to run, either because of his legal problems, or his mental state becomes too obvious to ignore, the Democrats will need another candidate. Biden might not perform well against younger opposition.

Although Nimrata (Nikki) Haley is the leading contender in the absence of Trump, she is thought to be unpopular with the MAGA base. No surprises there. She might perform well in the upcoming South Carolina primary though. She was Governor there.

It's possible that neither of the two people who run for president in November is currently in the race. For some time now Gavin Newsom (Governor of California) has been positioning himself as heir apparent to Biden and he looks impressive arguing the Democrat position on TV.

Time will tell.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Those DeSantis boots Pursing posted were all veery nice but I always imagined him in cowboy Crocs.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/06/crocs-to-launch-cowboy-boot-design-complete-with-spurs



The situation in the upcoming US election is interesting. Currently it appears to be Biden V Trump. Biden should win that. If Trump is unable to run, either because of his legal problems, or his mental state becomes too obvious to ignore, the Democrats will need another candidate. Biden might not perform well against younger opposition.

Although Nimrata (Nikki) Haley is the leading contender in the absence of Trump, she is thought to be unpopular with the MAGA base. No surprises there. She might perform well in the upcoming South Carolina primary though. She was Governor there.

It's possible that neither of the two people who run for president in November is currently in the race. For some time now Gavin Newsom (Governor of California) has been positioning himself as heir apparent to Biden and he looks impressive arguing the Democrat position on TV.

Time will tell.

Too soon for Mrka to have a coloured lady as President, even though she would be awesome at it. Go Kamala!

[F5 Dave]

Coloured woman for president, in America?
Forget it. Its only 2024.
I sorta don't care if a Republican gets in, as long as they are not bat shit crazy. I'm not sure if Nikki is excused on that count.

Should fall under banner of: not my country, not my problem.
But they are still the most powerful democracy, so they need to have their head screwed on right.

Usually at this stage I'd say put The Boss up for election, but apparently he's quite ill so would be hard to convince.

[pritch]

Was just watching a lawyer discuss the orange man's defamation case. Trump continues to post defamatory comments about E Jean Carroll on his Truth Social. Over twenty one day, forty two in the space of an hour another day. He must have them stored.

The lawyer feels that the jury will be made well aware of this, of his ignorant and arrogant behaviour in court, and his rudeness to the jury. Everybody stands as the jury enters or leaves the court. Not Trump. He apparently pushed in front of them as they were leaving presumably to start one of his press conferences. Well, he has form. He pushed in front of international leaders and walked in front of the queen.

Initially various pundits were guessing that the damages might be about double the five million awarded in the other trial. Now though, following his obnoxious behaviour, the sky may be the limit.

There is currently a postponement due to a juror being ill and Trump's lawyer Ms Habba having had a COVID contact. RAT tests all round and a pause in proceedings.

[HenryDorsetCase]

After leaving his post as Secretary of Defense, JIm Mattis gave a speech where he is reported to have said "I won my spurs in combat, he won his in a doctors letter". You will recall that "bone spurs" were the reason Drumpf was unable to serve in Vietnam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sG7N7pJ6g

Here's a clip. - here at 1.19

[R650R]

After leaving his post as Secretary of Defense, JIm Mattis gave a speech where he is reported to have said "I won my spurs in combat, he won his in a doctors letter". You will recall that "bone spurs" were the reason Drumpf was unable to serve in Vietnam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sG7N7pJ6g

Here's a clip. - here at 1.19

For anyone wanting to volunteer to fight in a similar guerilla warfare type battle there are currently ample vacancies in Ukraine and Israel. Not sure when next flight leaves.
The fad of young lefties posting pics on Twitter of “our last meal at restaurant before we go to fight Russia” seems to have faded now it’s evident it’s a real war that’s definitely not over before your flight lands.

Hey I just noticed since the next election is about to start Trump still isn’t in jail yet and still has t been convicted of anything substantial despite “mounting evidence” of this and “ clear indications of that…

Could it be that it’s just a pointless sideshow to distract us while our real freedom is quietly dismantled in background (petroleum powered cars/trucks/bikes)

[pritch]

Further to my earlier comment about the Trump defamation case being delayed due to Ms Habba's claimed exposure to COVID and her saying she felt unwell. Also potentially because of Trump's exposure to her. Ms Habba has now been photographed out on the campaign trail with Trump neither are masked and Trump is pressing the flesh with all and sundry.

Trump has no defence to most of the 91 charges he faces so his primary tactic is simply delay, delay, delay. The question has now been asked, did Ms Habba lie to a federal court judge?

The case is scheduled to resume Thursday US time. Meanwhile Trump continues to post defamatory statements on his social media platform. All of which are being recorded by EJC's lawyers and are being communicated to the judge, who will no doubt in due course convey them to the jury.

[sugilite]

Hey I just noticed since the next election is about to start Trump still isn’t in jail yet and still has t been convicted of anything substantial despite “mounting evidence” of this and “ clear indications of that…

Could it be that it’s just a pointless sideshow to distract us while our real freedom is quietly dismantled in background (petroleum powered cars/trucks/bikes)

Because trump has had 100's of court cases experience and as such is the master of delay, the prosecutors want to get it done as fast as the glacial usa court systems will allow.
Trump is definitely a criminal. TDL used to say trump only started having all these crimes levied against him after announcing his run for presidency while rather conveniently forgetting trump university was found to be fraudulent well before 2016 and is one of the few cases trump admitted such and settled the case sweeping it under the carpet for his presidential run.
So R650, if you give the a confirmed fraudster the keys to the most powerful job in the World, do you really think the fraudster is going to turn over a new leaf and become an honest man, or scam the fuck out of the system to line his pockets with ill gotten gains? Serious question.

[pritch]

Some of the commentators I come acrsoss are expressing concern at the simple minded coverage of most newspaper and TV pundits. Some of this may be as was expressed by Paul Simon, "A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest." Some is likely just ignorance. Some will just be chasing clicks.

Trump won the New Hampshire over Nikki Hayley by 11%.
According to who you are watching or listening to:
This was a major Trump Victory.
This was a major loss for Hayley
An 11% margin is underwhelming in the circumstances.
Independents did not vote for Trump.

It's going to be a long haul from here to November...

[R650R]

Because trump has had 100's of court cases experience and as such is the master of delay, the prosecutors want to get it done as fast as the glacial usa court systems will allow.
Trump is definitely a criminal. TDL used to say trump only started having all these crimes levied against him after announcing his run for presidency while rather conveniently forgetting trump university was found to be fraudulent well before 2016 and is one of the few cases trump admitted such and settled the case sweeping it under the carpet for his presidential run.
So R650, if you give the a confirmed fraudster the keys to the most powerful job in the World, do you really think the fraudster is going to turn over a new leaf and become an honest man, or scam the fuck out of the system to line his pockets with ill gotten gains? Serious question.

We have ample evidence of politicians lying across the whole political spectrum worldwide, so much you’d think it was on the job description.
Trump is a brand, his greatest riches will come from making America great again much more than any baubles of office or shady deals.
Did he defraud the American people out of anything in his four year term. ????
I’d say most CEO and big business owners sail pretty close to the wind when it comes to bending rules for profit it’s part of doing business in modern world. It’s not quite like he’s an Amalda Marcos with 2000 pairs of shoes on the tab.

[neels]

Trump is a brand, his greatest riches will come from making America great again much more than any baubles of office or shady deals.

Trump is a massive egotist who can't accept that he lost as demonstrated by his ongoing claims that the election was stolen, because previously in his life when he fucked up other people had vested interests to protect so dug him out of the shit to save themselves.

In this case he got elected, demonstrated that he was completely ineffective, and was dumped. Most people would gracefully Homer into the hedge, but he won't because his personality disorders won't let him accept the fact that he was no longer wanted.

It is true that he is a brand that people will blindly follow to the point of dismissing reality, it's a disturbing commentary on America that he's the best that the republicans can come up with as a candidate, and equally disturbing that the best the democrats can put up against him is Biden. One day they might catch up with the progress the rest of the world has made, and elect someone actually relevant and competent as their president.

[Pursang]

Should fall under banner of: not my country, not my problem.
But they are still the most powerful democracy, so they need to have their head screwed on right.

If trump takes America 'down his garden path' prepare to be 'Grabbed by the Pussy'. The World and our personal lives will not change for the better.

Besides dumping NATO, Ukraine and Europe to the ravages of a dementedly marauding pootin. (In exchange for 'Trump' branded Towers in Moscow & Saint Petersburg),
trump will allow just about any concession to Xi for trump branded hotels in Beijing, Hong Kong, etc.

Screw Japan, Philippines, South Korea, China will take control of the South China Sea. Shipping traffic through this zone will require payment of a "Security and safety Levy"

As an Aussie , our prosperity relies on shipments of coal, gas & iron ore, in exchange for cheap crap! the profitability and viability of that trade will be dependent on Xi's levy.

If we object, there will no longer be a united international resistance to Xina coming and taking control of whatever they want. Just blocking Fuel shipments from Singapore will shut us down in about a Month.

If trump is allowed to win....we Will be assaulted and raped.

[F5 Dave]

Nice Boat you have there. . . Be a shame if it got broken huh Frankie? Yeah boss, be a shame if somthin were to 'happen' to it. (Change dialect as required by location).

[R650R]

If trump takes America 'down his garden path' prepare to be 'Grabbed by the Pussy'. The World and our personal lives will not change for the better.

Besides dumping NATO, Ukraine and Europe to the ravages of a dementedly marauding pootin. (In exchange for 'Trump' branded Towers in Moscow & Saint Petersburg),
trump will allow just about any concession to Xi for trump branded hotels in Beijing, Hong Kong, etc.

Screw Japan, Philippines, South Korea, China will take control of the South China Sea. Shipping traffic through this zone will require payment of a "Security and safety Levy"

As an Aussie , our prosperity relies on shipments of coal, gas & iron ore, in exchange for cheap crap! the profitability and viability of that trade will be dependent on Xi's levy.

If we object, there will no longer be a united international resistance to Xina coming and taking control of whatever they want. Just blocking Fuel shipments from Singapore will shut us down in about a Month.

If trump is allowed to win....we Will be assaulted and raped.

Dumping NATO would bring greatest peace to the world and save America billions of dollars. All the great world wars were triggered by other countries having to join in on small conflicts due to treaty obligations.
The whole reason we are on the verge of WWIII right now is because USA wanted to base weapon systems in Ukraine on Russia’s border, just like how America got upset at the Cuba middle crisis.
Trump destroyed ISIS and got North Korea to pull its head in.
Russia and China are all about doing business, they are not expansionist colonial powers.They are watching America replicate the Roman folly of overextending oneself with expensive military bases fitted around the world while millions flood their unprotected borders.

[pritch]

It's reported from multiple sources including Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell (just so we are not quoting unnamed sources) that Trump has instructed the Republicans to do nothing to solve the problems at the border so that he can use the issue to attack Biden.

The Republicans are quite happily selling Ukraine out to Putin by continuing to block funding.

There is some bright news though. Trump White House official Peter Navarro who assisted with the plot to keep Trump in power and even wrote of his plan for a "Green Bay Sweep." He who was outraged when he was actually put in cuffs when arrested, has been sentenced to four months in the big house for ignoring a congressional subpoena to give evidence to the Jan 6 Inquiry.

Navarro speaks outdoors when he gives press conferences and the first time there was a heroic lone woman standing right behind him with a placard saying something like "lock him up." Next time she also had a referees whistle which made his life difficult. This time she had support, another woman with signs and there was someone with a cowbell. Ah well, at least there'll be no whistles or cow bells in prison.

[jim.cox]

has been sentenced to four years in the big house for ignoring a congressional subpoena to give evidence to the Jan 6 Inquiry.


That's four Months, not Years.

Unlucky for him if actually serves any of it, what with parole, time of for good behaviour, etc etc

[pritch]

That's four Months, not Years.

Unlucky for him if actually serves any of it, what with parole, time of for good behaviour, etc etc

You are right of course. My sense of schadenfreude overwhelmed me.

He will appeal of course - if he has enough money left. He was whinging about his financial state. I don't know how much time they get off for good behaviour in the US. In the corporate owned prisons it can be difficult to get the time off. The prisoners are inventory and the company needs to keep them there. An empty prison is a financial disaster to them and in the past they have asked for more people to be imprisoned.

In other news, Shawn Fein (how's that for an interesting name?) of the United Auto Workers Union has made an angry speech during which he called Trump a scab and announced the Union is endorsing Biden. This goes back to when the union was on strike. Biden visited a car plant. Trump visited a non-union component manufacturer but pretended he was at a union shop.

[Pursang]

Trump destroyed ISIS and got North Korea to pull its head in.


Just to pull One False Claim from that smelly pile.

354289
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/cns-north-korea-missile-test-database/

By my count:
1985-2015 Pre-trump.........55 missile launches
2016-2019 trump years......71 missile launches
2020-2024 Post-trump.......99 missile launches

So trump sure got his 'Little Rocket Man' to pull his head in!

'MAGA brains' will then exclaim... that trumps numbers are so much, way, better than Bidens. FFS!

[Laava]

Its a beautiful number, a perfect number….

[F5 Dave]

Jesus fuk I'm glad I blocked R666. What a fyking moron.

How the fuck do you think bowing down to those clowns was pulling them in?

I can't comprehend what world view you must have. You can't use the words 5pastic or 8etarded anymore but Jesus you are both those and an Egg.

Jesus wants to Bum you.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Dumping NATO would bring greatest peace to the world and save America billions of dollars. All the great world wars were triggered by other countries having to join in on small conflicts due to treaty obligations.
The whole reason we are on the verge of WWIII right now is because USA wanted to base weapon systems in Ukraine on Russia’s border, just like how America got upset at the Cuba middle crisis.
Trump destroyed ISIS and got North Korea to pull its head in.
Russia and China are all about doing business, they are not expansionist colonial powers.They are watching America replicate the Roman folly of overextending oneself with expensive military bases fitted around the world while millions flood their unprotected borders.

Have you read any history at all? Any? I mean properly read, i.e. studied and thought about. From credible sources - not from the fucking internet.

Honest question.

[pritch]

You can't use the words 5pastic or 8etarded anymore but Jesus you are both those and an Egg.



The most egregious insult there is the word egg.

I read a book by the retired Police inspector who used to front that Auckland crime show, Police Ten 7?

In the book he described a court scene in which a gang member nutted off at the prosecutor. The judge told the gang member he could not talk to the prosecutor like that. "Sorry sir but the cunt's an egg."

[pritch]

The jury is back in the E Jean Carroll defamation case. A political pundit I follow had observed that the Trump team's closing arguments were so inept, and Trump's behaviour in court so disrespectful, that the jury would be very quick in reaching their decision. They were, even quicker than in the other case apparently, and they were thinking big. US$83.3 million big. That's quite a jump from the 5 million in the other case.

Ms Carroll better not spend any of it, it will doubtless be appealed and by then Trump may well be broke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A1KjGTT7R8

[Laava]

I bet it will be another court case to get him to part with any money…

[R650R]

Just to pull One False Claim from that smelly pile.

354289
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/cns-north-korea-missile-test-database/

By my count:
1985-2015 Pre-trump.........55 missile launches
2016-2019 trump years......71 missile launches
2020-2024 Post-trump.......99 missile launches

So trump sure got his 'Little Rocket Man' to pull his head in!

'MAGA brains' will then exclaim... that trumps numbers are so much, way, better than Bidens. FFS!

You just posted numbers showing more launches in Biden’s time. Not that launch numbers matter really as technology in that nation is still evolving so it’s natural they will be lots of test fires no matter what’s happening diplomatically.
Kim had developed range to reach USA and Trump said our buttons bigger then initiated proper dialogue.
Trump was first president to step into Nth Korea and talk face to face. Although talks later broke down it was some sense of progress.

[R650R]

Have you read any history at all? Any? I mean properly read, i.e. studied and thought about. From credible sources - not from the fucking internet.

Honest question.

Yes and it’s a pity many dont

[pritch]

I bet it will be another court case to get him to part with any money…

This is interesting. He will appeal but apparently he has to post a bond for this and the other big findings against him. He is unlikely to have however many hundred million in cash just lying around. He will have to sell property. He can't try that trick of asking a stupid price then complain nobody wants to buy it either. There is a court appointed manager supervising his business dealings and she has to approve the deal, whatever it is, and she may not want to wait. She is legally entitled to let it go at fire sale prices if it comes to that.

[Laava]

This is interesting. He will appeal but apparently he has to post a bond for this and the other big findings against him. He is unlikely to have however many hundred million in cash just lying around. He will have to sell property. He can't try that trick of asking a stupid price then complain nobody wants to buy it either. There is a court appointed manager supervising his business dealings and she has to approve the deal, whatever it is, and she may not want to wait. She is legally entitled to let it go at fire sale prices if it comes to that.
Yeah but that wont happen. They are already too scared to chastise or punish him for his boorish behaviour in the courtroom and online. Contempt of court should see you remanded in the cells for the duration of the days case.

[F5 Dave]

But if it were Joe Everyman , say the swill sucking truck driver in 'merca he'd be in the cells before you knew it with him protesting "but I voted for trump because I thought he was on my side."

Bwahahahaha.

Poor sap.

[Grumph]

I bet it will be another court case to get him to part with any money…

In the "only around Trump" files, it is reported that Giuliani is considering suing Trump for unpaid legal fees. Giuliani is facing bankruptcy so it may not be him that sues. It may be up to the Bankruptcy court to sue for the unpaid fees.

And of course if his PAC stops paying his legal fees as they have been, but are rumoured to be about to stop, suddenly there's a lot of money owing.

[F5 Dave]

Hahaha ha. Another poor sap that thought that Scammer Trump wouldn't leave him in the learch. Can you imagine, if you will, a despondent truck driver expecting to get paid for services. But no. Who cares about you?
Not trumpet, that's for sure. :laugh:
Vote for me. :weird:

[pritch]

Yes and it’s a pity many dont

Of course it's quite possible HDC did.

[Laava]

So anyway, here is another guy who should make a good candidate for the presidency. He has similar qualifications!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350160383/wwe-founder-resigns-after-claims-he-defecated-female-colleagues-head

[pete376403]

Trump ordered to pay E Jean Carroll $83 million in damages. The chances of her collecting anything at all are next to nothing (but it's the thought that counts)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/01/26/donald-trump-e-jean-carroll-83m-damages/?WT.mc_id=e_DM268871&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Brk_New&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Brk_New20240126&utm_campaign=DM268871

[sugilite]

Kim had developed range to reach USA and Trump said our buttons bigger then initiated proper dialogue.
Trump was first president to step into Nth Korea and talk face to face. Although talks later broke down it was some sense of progress.

There is a reason why other presidents never engaged in direct dialogue with kim
For many years Kim starved his population in order to pour money into his nuclear program. He told his people it would give them worldwide legitimacy.
And by meeting and negotiating with him, Trump did exactly that.
Trump also showed admiration for yet another dictator.
Trump went against all recommendations and got precisely nothing, like really - nothing in return for the USA out of it! All to stoke his own ego.
The stable genius and his supporters were even too stupid to realize than Kim trolled trump by sending that enormous envelope in reference to trumps tiny hands. How I laughed at trumps ego and naive stupidity.

https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/kim-yong-chol-trump-ht-02-jpo-180602_hpMain_16x9_1600.jpg

As for the jean carroll case, i would say the jurors got the fine just about right - as that evening when trump got on the oxymoron labeled "truth Social" he went on a rant - but you know what he did not rant about or mention? Yep, Jean Carroll.

I mean, who knew that turning up for just the money part of the equation court case with a 5th tier lawyer, aggressively eyeing up the potential jurors as his "lawyer" asked them questions about their families etc then loudly disparaging the victim in front of said jurors, along with defaming the victim online over and over again throughout the trial would end badly for trump :killingme

[pritch]

Trump ordered to pay E Jean Carroll $83 million in damages. The chances of her collecting anything at all are next to nothing (but it's the thought that counts)


That 83.3 million is in addition to the five million. already awarded to her. Judge Arthur Engoron has said that he will release his verdict in the NY fraud trial before the end of the month. The prosecutor is seeking 370 million in that case.

Ive seen the suggestion that Trump will seek to raise the 88.3 million from his cult. People are pointing out on social media that any donation to Trump is now a donation to
E Jean Carroll. That might cool their ardor.

[Pursang]

The 83.3M judgment for defamation is a DJT personal expense (not business / not political). If he withdraws that from a business unit or uses PAC money he should be liable for personal income tax... on 83.3M.

His NYC businesses are currently monitored...soon to be under receivers/administrators (No trump business licenses & No trump control) to ensure the assets/resources are available to payout the NY fraud judgments.

I think it will be 'very difficult' for him to provide the cash or security required to even allow any appeals. The 'value of his brand' ain't gonna do it!

The receivers might even be legally obligated to pay out any trump 'court judgment debts' before distributing any funds left over after the property selloffs required to pay the NY penalties, fines and disgorgement!
Particularly if trump tries to declare himself personally bankrupt.

Sucks to be trump! and it will only get worse! Couldn't happen to a more deserving POS!

[pritch]

The 'value of his brand' ain't gonna do it!



Yeah. That ain't what it was.

Where these court imposed penalties rank in bankruptcy proceedings is a mystery but I did see a lawyer comment about the Ruby Freeman/Rudy Giuliani case. He said In New York their claim ranked above all others. (Except possibly the tax man?)

Speaking of which, since August Giuliani has a had a fund raising campaign to raise the 146 million he has incurred in legal expenses. So far he has raised $727,000. Considering he was once widely respected as "America's mayor" that isn't much.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Of course it's quite possible HDC did.

one dabbles.... I'm a dilettante really. Or to put it another way, a "casual"..

[F5 Dave]

I think other factions consider listening to a Joe Rogan show is ,'Studying history '

[R650R]

I think other factions consider listening to a Joe Rogan show is ,'Studying history '

Not a fan. Somehow he has a huge following, I think it’s because he never explores anything in great depth (therefore not overwhelming average viewer) despite getting some interesting guests that have done great interviews in other places. Watching JR is like finding the most interesting book in the library, reading the dust jacket and putting it back on shelf.

He’s a controlled opposition outlet as much as Alex Jones’s is.

Now give me a genuine hard copy encyclopedia Brittanica circa 60’s to 80’s before the censors started rewriting science and we have a date ;p

[HenryDorsetCase]

Now give me a genuine hard copy encyclopedia Brittanica circa 60’s to 80’s before the censors started rewriting science and we have a date ;p

Huh? in what way? Like, science is progress and as long as we use the scientific method (key word there being method) then wouldn't we expect things to change as our* knowledge expanded?

*"our" in the "sum total of human knowledge, some of it known to only a very few, very intelligent individuals" sense, not "yours and mine" sense.

[pritch]

Sometimes you just have to laugh. Trump continues to bemoan how badly he is treated: rigged elections. rigged juries, crooked judges, etc etc.
He has now taken to saying he is treated worse than Lincoln. That's Abraham Lincoln - who was assassinated.

[1/32 man]

that is up there with taking over the airfields in 1786

[sugilite]

Sometimes you just have to laugh. Trump continues to bemoan how badly he is treated: rigged elections. rigged juries, crooked judges, etc etc.
He has now taken to saying he is treated worse than Lincoln. That's Abraham Lincoln - who was assassinated.With a little luck, he will get equal treatment.

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[pritch]

On recent happenings in New York. Rudy Giuliani reportedly wants to appeal the massive award against him in favour of Ruby Freeman and her daughter. To do so he has to post a US$148 million bond. He can't do it. He hasn't paid his lawyers either so they won't fancy their chances of getting paid if they handle an appeal.

Similarly if Trump wants to appeal the $88.3 million he owes E Jean Carrol he will have to put up $88.3 million but the legal pundits are saying he has no grounds to appeal. Some people are pointing to inadequate representation meaning that his lawyer was useless. She was, but inadequate representation is not an option in civil cases.

Alina Habba keeps banging on about not being allowed to present evidence. The evidence and the witnesses she wanted to present were to argue that Trump did not assault EJC. The judge would not permit that. The courts have already found that he did commit the assault. This case was solely about how much it would cost Trump.

There is some evidence Trump only pays lawyers who win. If Trump keeps Habba on it's either because he's getting fringe benefits, or he can't get anybody else.

[Laava]

With a little luck, he will get equal treatment.

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Will a bullet work in mousse?

[Pursang]

Some people are pointing to inadequate representation meaning that his lawyer was useless. She was, but inadequate representation is not an option in civil cases.

Over time, trump has instigated something like 3500 Civil Court actions. Very hard (legally) for him to suggest he is an 'unsophisticated' employer of Legal Services, who could be duped by his legal representatives.

He got exactly what he wanted....except for the results!

[1/32 man]

I think any lawyer who works for Drumpf these days is stupid or trying to win notoriety...or maybe both.

Didn't Habba say she would rather be pretty than smart?

[sugilite]

Didn't Habba say she would rather be pretty than smart?
Yet both qualities have passed her by. How long until she is in jail I wonder?



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[pritch]

I think any lawyer who works for Drumpf these days is stupid or trying to win notoriety...or maybe both.

Didn't Habba say she would rather be pretty than smart?

Right on both counts. Habba said she'd rather be pretty because she could always act smart. Not so.

Apparently when Rudy was running around filing sixty odd court cases trying to overturn the election result and claiming Trump was paying him $20,000 per hour, Trump was telling people Rudy would only be paid if he won.

Habba just cost Trump over $88 million. She shouldn't spend any of the money she billed Trump for her work just yet...

It looks from a Trump post on Troth Senshal that Trump is looking for a lawyer. Stupidity or a desire to seek notoriety essential.

[pritch]

Roberta Kaplan, E Jean Carroll's lawyer, is reported as saying if Trump is going to appeal he has two options. He has to deposit the entire amount in a trust which will be forfeited if he loses the appeal, or he can pay a deposit and post the rest as a bond paying interest on the balance. Similar to how bail operates in the US. Kaplan also states that in the event he does neither she will commence collection action immediately.

Meanwhile it seems Trump doesn't have a lwyer.

[pritch]

It's reported that Trump paid private investigators nearly US$250,000 to keep an eye on what his lawyers were up to. That detail will no doubt be of interest to any law firm currently considering working for Trump. Should there actually be a law firm considering working for Trump.

Oh, and the RWNJ wing of the Republican Party have decided that Alina Habba is an undercover operative planted on Trump by the deep state.

Which is about up there with their new assertion that Taylor Swift is a "psy op".

[pritch]

Biggish story in the US today. It seems that Digital World Aquisitions the company that was going to finance Trump's 'media empire' Truth Social, is under serious investigation for money laundering. The initial funding was apparently from Russia. The investigation does not involve Trump directly but will likely hold up the $300 million he would have used to fund his app prior to the election.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/03/trump-social-dwac-investigation/

[Stylo]

Biggish story in the US today. It seems that Digital World Aquisions the company that was going to finance Trump's 'media empire' Truth Social, is under serious investigation for money laundering. The initial funding was apparently from Russia. The investigation does not involve Trump directly but will likely hold up the $300 million he would have used to fund his app prior to the election.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/03/trump-social-dwac-investigation/

Aquisitions. I need some clarity on this, just saying.

I'm not a Trump supporter. I don't do stupid. Couldn't read the post as it blocked me.

[pritch]

Aquisitions. I need some clarity on this, just saying.

I'm not a Trump supporter. I don't do stupid. Couldn't read the post as it blocked me.

Interesting. When I saw that it was the Washington Post I expected to be blocked but wasn't. I used to be a subscriber but am not now.

This item does not relate to the current money laundering investigation, it's from 2021. It explains who is who. The Yanks are big on acronyms and there are plenty in this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-new-media-company-federal-regulators-investigating-2021-12?op=1

[pritch]

After some delay Trump's appeal regarding presidential immunity has been denied. Doubtless he will appeal that - if he can get a lawyer. In case you are wondering there is no such thing as presidential immunity. That's just something he dreamed up. If nothing else it will delay proceedings, and in the absence of any other defence Trump seeks delay after delay.

[pritch]

There is so much Trump news these days something has to stand out to be worth mentioning. A judge in New York presiding over the hush money payment to Stormy Daniels has apparently scheduled Trump's trial for March. It's difficult to see how Trump can logically escape jail for this. His co defendant Michael Cohen has already done time for his part in the offence. Logic though, does not always seem to apply.

[roogazza]

There is so much Trump news these days something has to stand out to be worth mentioning. A judge in New York presiding over the hush money payment to Stormy Daniels has apparently scheduled Trump's trial for March. It's difficult to see how Trump can logically escape jail for this. His co defendant Michael Cohen has already done time for his part in the offence. Logic though, does not always seem to apply.

who's brave enough to put money on america not being great again pritch ?? I wouldn't . lol xxx

[pritch]

The decision on the Trump fraud trial is in. He is fined US$364 million. He will appeal, but under New York law he has to post a bond of $364 million either from his own funds or by borrowing it - if he can find someone prepared to loan him the necessary.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/trump-ordered-to-pay-364-million-in-civil-fraud-case-as-judge-finds-ex-president-knowingly-committed-fraud/ar-BB1ioIRP

[Laava]

GFJ, is all I have to say about that. GFJ!

[pritch]

A Go Fund Me account has been set up to raise $350 million for Trump. The number is so big that most people have no real concept of how much that actually is. Last report the account had raised $28,000.

This is interesting because some pundits feel Trump supporters have been milked hard for six years and they really don't have much more to give. We'll see.



Update: In addition to his many other products including Trump Vodka, Trump Airlines, and Trump Urine Tests (yes, that was a thing apparently), Trump has now launched Trump Sneakers. Even at just over NZ$650 per pair he'll need to sell a lot of them to raise US$350 million.

[F5 Dave]

Ohh. I've been punished.

Let's see if we can get poor people pay for it.

I mean I don't want to use my own, probably largely imaginary, money.

[neels]

It's entertaining how many people are willing to pay $5 to post their opinion of the situation.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement

[onearmedbandit]

Even coming from our locals too...

[1/32 man]

Wow, they here in NZ too!!!!

How big is $355,000,000?.......it's very bigly.

Donate now....

Thank you from your recently promoted shoe salesman.

[neels]

How big is $355,000,000?.......it's very bigly.

They're doing ok, in 2 days they've raised $292k, so if donations continue at that rate it'll only take a couple of years to raise the required $355 million.

[pritch]

They're doing ok, in 2 days they've raised $292k, so if donations continue at that rate it'll only take a couple of years to raise the required $355 million.

At the rate it's coming in, it might just about cover the interest.

[pete376403]

Even coming from our locals too...

Explains a lot
https://www.facebook.com/nathanmitchellofficial/

[R650R]

Upon reading the fluff article I had a gander at the shoe site.
Hell it was like a trip back to the 70’s. Those gaudy gold things could only be worn by a pimp in Bronx at night!!!
I found it amusing trump is so lazy only 10 out of the 1000 limited addition will be randomly autographed.
Also there’s an interesting link to a guy Williams article that sneaker collecting is a thing…

$400k in sales for someone like trump is something that can be multiplied quick. That’s a 10% deposit on small project, financed, completed then leverage up next level with sale of that once completed. It’s how people work at his level whether we like it or not.

[pritch]

It seems buyers can save US$379 if they can do without the letter T on their gauche gold shoes.

[pritch]

During the back and forth detail paperwork preparing for the seizure of Trump assets, Trump came up with a cunning plan worthy of Baldrick. He advised the change of address of a number of Trump businesses to Florida. This did not escape the notice of the New York Attorney General.

The change to Florida would have meant that before the NY AG could seize any Trump assets she would have to commence court action in Florida which could take months or years. Her response was to point out to the judge that the registered office of the various entities is Trump Tower, New York.

We await the outcome.

[Pursang]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHBnyNtWcAAucCu.jpg:rofl:

[1/32 man]

He said some time back that he had the bikers.....looks like three anyway.

[Laava]

Those are the guys out of Pulp Fiction.

[Pursang]

Those are the guys out of Pulp Fiction.

https://i.imgflip.com/2m2wma.jpg

[Laava]

Nice one Pursang!

[R650R]

They not even claiming any territory lol

You guys may have missed it but apparently truth social is to merge with a slightly bigger platform. Somehow this gives trump $4billion in share value and for some reason it’s outside scope of current legal claims.
How successful or accurate this turns out remains to be seen but good example of how these guys make money whether we like it or not.

[husaberg]

They not even claiming any territory lol

You guys may have missed it but apparently truth social is to merge with a slightly bigger platform. Somehow this gives trump $4billion in share value and for some reason it’s outside scope of current legal claims.
How successful or accurate this turns out remains to be seen but good example of how these guys make money whether we like it or not.

you might want to actually read how it works.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2024/02/truth-social-could-still-make-trump-billions-if-he-wins.html

[pritch]

We have a link to the Trump Go Fund Me in this thread. That has now raised about 1.25 million.

Somebody has set up a debt counter which is adding interest in real time. https://trumpdebtcounter.com



Update: Trump has filed a notice of appeal in both the E Jean Carroll defamation case and the NY fraud case. Neither was accompanied by the required bond for the full amount awarded against him.

Trump has thirty days in each case to stump up the cash either in settlement or as a bond for his appeal. The timing is tight in the EJC case because that's only days away from her lawyer being able to request a list of Trump's assets that she can liquidate to realse the near ninety million cash.

[pritch]

Officials involved in Trump's New York fraud trial are receiving envelopes containing white powder. Donald Trump Jr is jealous he has to pay for his. :devil2:

[pritch]

To appeal the finding in his New York fraud case Trump was required to post a bond for the entire amount of the fine, plus interest. The sum approaching half a billion dollars is required to be paid if an appeal is filed, failing which the Attorney General could start liquidating his assets after thirty days from the date of the verdict.

He has filed a notice of intention to appeal with a request that the court halt proceedings and accept his offer of $100,000, 000instead of the near $500,000. The court declined his offer.

[F5 Dave]

I think you are missing some zeros there.

[pete376403]

Supreme court is going to hear trumps presidential immunity claim. With any sort of luck they will find Presidents (current but not former) DO have immunity, so Biden can send Seal team 6 or whoever to take care of the trump crime family. Sorted.

[F5 Dave]

Only in a'mercca can this clown show continue.

Fukin hell it surprises me how stupid people can be.

[Pursang]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71LUqPqNpqL._AC_UY350_.jpg

[pritch]

I think you are missing some zeros there.


Thank you. I'm not used to so many zeros in my finances.

[Pursang]

Thank you. I'm not used to so many zeros in my finances.

There are lot's of zeros in my finances.
https://media.istockphoto.com/id/185860898/vector/your-balance-is-zero.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=ZQnAtCgAB-kHgl2aAl54xXLaAxcnLVRznXEkc_535Mw=

[pritch]

On the off chance anyone hereabout wants to understand the nature of Trump's current financial situation and you have a lazy twenty minutes or so.
This guy is a lawyer who practices in New York and in Florida and he knows how it works. There is an ad in the middle but you can just scroll past that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qockyrZcLR8

[pritch]

Almost as if specially to piss Trump off. Nikki Haley beat him in the Washington DC Republican primary - and it wasn't close. She got all the delegates.

[husaberg]

Almost as if specially to piss Trump off. Nikki Haley beat him in the Washington DC Republican primary - and it wasn't close. She got all the delegates.
not a great day for the orange-etan

Court denies Donald Trump's bid to pause $454m penalty in civil fraud Donald Trump must post a bond to cover the full $454m penalty while he appeals against the judgment in his New York civil fraud trial, a court has ruled.
The penalty will keep accruing interest by at least $112,000 per day if he refuses to pay.


Ms James had asked the appeals court to deny Mr Trump's request.


"There is no merit to defendants' contention that a full bond or deposit is unnecessary because they are willing to post a partial undertaking of less than a quarter of the judgment amount," the attorney general's office said in a filing.


"Defendants all but concede that Mr Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment: defendants would need 'to raise capital' to do so. These are precisely the circumstances for which a full bond or deposit is necessary."


Last week, Ms James told ABC News: "If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his assets."

[husaberg]

We have a link to the Trump Go Fund Me in this thread. That has now raised about 1.25 million.

Somebody has set up a debt counter which is adding interest in real time. https://trumpdebtcounter.com



Update: Trump has filed a notice of appeal in both the E Jean Carroll defamation case and the NY fraud case. Neither was accompanied by the required bond for the full amount awarded against him.

Trump has thirty days in each case to stump up the cash either in settlement or as a bond for his appeal. The timing is tight in the EJC case because that's only days away from her lawyer being able to request a list of Trump's assets that she can liquidate to realse the near ninety million cash.

A week later its only 1.32 million

[R650R]

Oh this is gonna hurt for some

https://joannenova.com.au/2024/03/breaking-us-supreme-court-decides-jury-of-150-million-can-rule-on-trump/#more-96026

In a democracy the Court of Public Opinion is (still) the highest court
Donald Trump’s name can stay on the ballots.

US Flag, Flying.
It’s one of those rare moments in 2024 when something makes sense. All nine justices of the US Supreme Court have decided that the largest jury in the world should be allowed to judge for themselves who they want to have as President.

The Colorado Supreme Court had decided that Donald Trump was too naughty for people to vote for, even though he hadn’t been charged or convicted of leading an insurrection of horned people (or any one else) to overthrow the US government. The votes of a few state officials would therefore overrule the votes of millions potentially. And the whole idea of being innocent until proven guilty was tossed out the window.

The Court of Public Opinion is the only one that matters in a democracy. If there was free speech and a free media, crimes will be investigated, and the evidence put on display

[pritch]

The Colorado Supreme Court had decided that Donald Trump was too naughty for people to vote for, even though he hadn’t been charged or convicted of leading an insurrection

You worded that appropriately. It is a very childlike point of view.

Despite your previously having difficulty with legal writing, here is Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution, the disqualification clause:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If you read that carefully you will note that it mentions neither charge nor conviction. Nor did Trump have to lead an insurrection, that he simply "engaged in" is sufficient.

[pete376403]

You worded that appropriately. It is a very childlike point of view.

That and infantilisng the deaths of several people.

[pete376403]

The Court of Public Opinion is the only one that matters in a democracy.

But when the Court of Public Opinion (the voters) decided overwhelmingly in favour of Hilary Clinton, their votes were overriden by a small selected group. And then when the Court of public opinion decided overwhelmingly in favour of Joe Biden, the minorty tried (and failed) to override that. So, does democracy only count when you agree with the outcome?

[pritch]

Aspects of the decision are quite complicated but the main part was straight forward and unanimous. The justices decided that in cases involving federal appointments such as president, Congress holds the power, not the states. States presumably still have the power to remove from the ballot a state politician they deem to have engaged in insurrection.

The court did not find Trump innocent of insurrection. I only mention it because Trump had requested that and will probably claim they did.

[sugilite]

Oh this is gonna hurt for some

I doubt for anyone here. Interestingly, the scotus did not strike down the appeals court assertion that trump did commit insurrection.

My view is I want trump on the ballot, as in my opinion the gop do not deserve to govern, especially the ones in congress. They have literally passed no laws of note since they got the gavel. Pathetic.
Trump near guarantees they lose the 2024 election. So by all means keep him on the ballot :yes:

[Laava]

Trump near guarantees they lose the 2024 election. So by all means keep him on the ballot :yes:
But, but, but, Biden!

[Grumph]

But, but, but, Biden!

The American electorate metaphorically held it's collective nose and voted Biden last time.

Lets hope they can do it again - otherwise the US and every organisation it now supports is fucked.

[husaberg]

That and infantilisng the deaths of several people.Reading the ruling it reads to me that they only that they decided it wasn't the individual states job to rule him ineligible it was congress's job instead.

[pete376403]

Reading the ruling it reads to me that they only that they decided it wasn't the individual states job to rule him ineligible it was congress's job instead.

I was referring to R666s way of writing

[pritch]

Trump's layers submitted some "requests" of the judge in the E Jean Carroll case. Basically Trump wants to appeal without posting the required $100 million bond, he wants the amount awarded against him reduced, he wants the jury disqualified and a new trial ordered and on and on. The judge didn't keep him waiting, he basically said no.

Trump's sense of urgency is justified even if his efforts are misplaced. On Thursday (their time) E Jean Carroll's lawyers can come for Trump property to recover the $83.3 Million debt.

[husaberg]

I was referring to R666s way of writing
Yes I understood.
Pretty sure He cut and pasted it directly from the conspiracy website he linked.
which is a "news" set up of a religious organisation.
You can be sure of its quality. It was his primary source for COVID misinformation that turned out to be incredibly wrong.

[husaberg]

Trump's layers submitted some "requests" of the judge in the E Jean Carroll case. Basically Trump wants to appeal without posting the required $100 million bond, he wants the amount awarded against him reduced, he wants the jury disqualified and a new trial ordered and on and on. The judge didn't keep him waiting, he basically said no.

Trump's sense of urgency is justified even if his efforts are misplaced. On Thursday (their time) E Jean Carroll's lawyers can come for Trump property to recover the $83.3 Million debt.

His go fund me seems to have stalled 1.32million
https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement
and the debt keeps on growing. Almost 466 million and rising.
https://trumpdebtcounter.com/

[pritch]

I'd forgotten how weird the US primary elections can be. In big places it probably resembles something we would recognise. In really small places there may just be a meeting at someone's house apparently. Those who want to vote for Trump walk to one side of the room, those who want to vote for Haley go to the other. This process often takes place in halls. There are reportedly instances currently of people preferring to vote for Haley being instructed to form a line, they were then abused and threatened by the Trump supporters until people were in tears.

Just as well it's not a cult. :whistle:

[pritch]

Was listening to Michael Cohen overnight. He was explaining Trump's financial position. Cohen confirmed Trump is a billionaire but it's all in property, he doesn't have lots of cash. He has to sell or raise loans against his New York properties to pay the bonds. If he sells property he will have to pay city and state taxes on the proceeds, which means to raise half a billion he'll need to sell nearly a billion worth of property.

Cohen doesn't think Mar A Lago will be a target because that is not in New York and thus would involve another lengthy court case.

Trump does have a very serious money problem. It has been reported that Trump and Elon Musk are to meet. Trump is to meet the world's second richest man. I wonder what they will talk about?

[neels]

Trump losing the plot?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/04/trump-confuses-obama-for-biden-in-latest-gaffe/

Looking more and more like the US election will be a contest between two equally senile old men.

[nerrrd]

It's so hard to watch, even from this distance.

[onearmedbandit]

Trump losing the plot?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/04/trump-confuses-obama-for-biden-in-latest-gaffe/

Looking more and more like the US election will be a contest between two equally senile old men.

it's a fucking shamble huh.

[R650R]

Was listening to Michael Cohen overnight. He was explaining Trump's financial position. Cohen confirmed Trump is a billionaire but it's all in property, he doesn't have lots of cash. He has to sell or raise loans against his New York properties to pay the bonds. If he sells property he will have to pay city and state taxes on the proceeds, which means to raise half a billion he'll need to sell nearly a billion worth of property.

Cohen doesn't think Mar A Lago will be a target because that is not in New York and thus would involve another lengthy court case.

Trump does have a very serious money problem. It has been reported that Trump and Elon Musk are to meet. Trump is to meet the world's second richest man. I wonder what they will talk about?

This is how smart successful people operate. You only ever keep enough cash to service immediate or pending obligations. Surplus cash is used as a deposit to secure more loans to buy assets.
Unfortunately as average people are taught debt is a burden you are maki g the mega bank rich buy using them etc…
Even most successful NZ companies use overdraft facility to pay wages every week.
Every day that you have cash sitting in a bank account is bleeding value through the floorboards at whatever the current rate of inflation is.

[pete376403]

This is how smart successful people operate. You only ever keep enough cash to service immediate or pending obligations. Surplus cash is used as a deposit to secure more loans to buy assets.
Unfortunately as average people are taught debt is a burden you are maki g the mega bank rich buy using them etc…
Even most successful NZ companies use overdraft facility to pay wages every week.
Every day that you have cash sitting in a bank account is bleeding value through the floorboards at whatever the current rate of inflation is.

Right upp to the point the bank feel their money is at risk or could be earning more elsewhere. Is your own house mortgage free? If so, then by you own words, you are not smart, If not, better hope that you continue to have a job.

[R650R]

Right upp to the point the bank feel their money is at risk or could be earning more elsewhere. Is your own house mortgage free? If so, then by you own words, you are not smart, If not, better hope that you continue to have a job.

A house mortgage is one of the few sensible financial decisions us average joes make in nz. Mines cheaper than equivalent rent so I stress not if things go tits up.
We live in a country free from the strife and threats other nations face.
There are no shortages of jobs or opportunity in this nation only not enough people seeking it.

But back to Trump, read his book look at his successes and fails.
He doesn’t get hung up on it he just moves to next opportunity in life. That’s the attitude successful people have. They don’t get angry or waste time worrying about what advantages or greater wealth others have, they just seek the tools and opportunity to outdo others.
It’s the greatest tragedy of our time that we are currently teaching an ethic of guilt for being successful instead of replicating nature survival of the fittest.

[neels]

This is how smart successful people operate. You only ever keep enough cash to service immediate or pending obligations. Surplus cash is used as a deposit to secure more loans to buy assets.
Unfortunately as average people are taught debt is a burden you are maki g the mega bank rich buy using them etc…

Debt to buy income producing assets is acceptable if you are in business (unless it's a residential rental in which case you are evil) and having cash on hand adds no value.

Your average person is not in business, so debt produces no income (and is not tax deductible) so only serves to provide income for the banks, whereas cash does produce income.

Of course Trump doesn't have the money, that's part of the point of the trial, that he inflated the value of assets to obtain loans which likely exceeded the real value of the security. In terms of asset value less debt his actual net worth may be bugger all.


But back to Trump, read his book look at his successes and fails.
He doesn’t get hung up on it he just moves to next opportunity in life. That’s the attitude successful people have.

It's a great example of sociopathic behaviour, as long as your business failure only hurts others and not yourself it's all good, and move on to the next thing.

[F5 Dave]

It's virtually impossible to argue with R666. His messiah could shoot him in main street and he would hit the floor still not understanding that he's the chump that's been sacrificed.

And so it was rite. Amen.

[sugilite]

This is how smart successful people operate. You only ever keep enough cash to service immediate or pending obligations. Surplus cash is used as a deposit to secure more loans to buy assets.
Unfortunately as average people are taught debt is a burden you are maki g the mega bank rich buy using them etc…
Even most successful NZ companies use overdraft facility to pay wages every week.
Every day that you have cash sitting in a bank account is bleeding value through the floorboards at whatever the current rate of inflation is.

So the cunt needs to sell an asset or two, boo freaking hoo.
Mark my words, even if he could put up the money, he won't because the evidence is so damming, it is why they did not try to rebut any of it. He just turned the trial into a campaign op. You may not have noticed that his lawyer did not actually put up any evidence to counter the charges as there is no evidence to the contrary. He is guilty as fuck - end off.

The thing I find most amazing is the turd tells everyone what he is doing, such as "When you are famous you can grab any woman by the pussy etc". Then when he actually gets called on it, his cult followers are all like "Nooooo he did not do that thing he told us he would do".
Pitiful and pathetic.

[pritch]

But back to Trump, read his book look at his successes and fails.


You still haven't got the joke? Trump has never written a book. When one publisher was asked how much of the book Trump wrote the reply was,
"He never even wrote us a Christmas card."

He sued the author of one of "his" books for saying he wasn't a billionaire - and lost.

[husaberg]

The thing I find most amazing is the turd tells everyone what he is doing, such as "When you are famous you can grab any woman by the pussy etc". Then when he actually gets called on it, his cult followers are all like "Nooooo he did not do that thing he told us he would do".
Pitiful and pathetic.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkngMUVXEAEzS-A?format=jpg&name=900x900

[pritch]

As of now E Jean Carroll can start seizing Trump assets to the value 83.3 million dollars. His lawyer has just written to the judge asking for a three day delay. That's the same Judge that Trump has repeatedly called corrupt (well, one of them). That's the same Trump that his lawyer claims has billions and billions and billions of dollars.

Following his meeting with Trump, Musk posted on X that he will not be donating to either presidential candidate. That leaves many options though. He may donate to a PAC, he could pay legal fees, he might act as guarantor for a loan, etc etc.

Trump seems to have confused the legal process with a negotiation. That's not how it's supposed to work.


Update: The judge has denied Trump's request for a stay. The judge states Trump's problems are caused by his own dilatory behaviour. In English, he's too effing slow.

Update2: Trump has borrowed the $91.6 million bond to enable him to appeal.

[1/32 man]

The Mrs showed me a short video clip on TwitX

Trump was railling on in his usual manner and then started to speak softly mumbling a word salad that made less than usual sense and stared slightly upwards.
This went for about five seconds before he came back to the moment.

I have heard of brain farts before but this looked like a brain dump...something is wrong, very wrong, bigly wrong even.

I look forward to the next episode.

[pritch]

Trump has lost another court case. One he didn't even need to take. It was an action against former MI6 officer Christopher Steele. It seems Trump was after Steele for spreading stories about pee tapes and such. The case failed for two reasons: Steele did not spread the word about Trump. It was his document but he did not publish it or make it public. The leak happened in 2016 and the judge said Trump had left it too long.

He has to pay Steele's legal team about US$300,000 plus whatever his own legal geniuses charge.

[husaberg]

Trump has lost another court case. One he didn't even need to take. It was an action against former MI6 officer Christopher Steele. It seems Trump was after Steele for spreading stories about pee tapes and such. The case failed for two reasons: Steele did not spread the word about Trump. It was his document but he did not publish it or make it public. The leak happened in 2016 and the judge said Trump had left it too long.

He has to pay Steele's legal team about US$300,000 plus whatever his own legal geniuses charge.

So Trump was ultimately held responsible for the leak.:shifty:

[F5 Dave]

That's OK re his own legal team. I can't imagine they would expect payment. No one could after his continuous leaving people in the lurch.

[husaberg]

I read something today that Trumps daughter in law is now the co chair of the republican party.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-trump-backed-republican-party-leadership-pushes-out-officials-politico-2024-03-11/

[pete376403]

I read something today that Trumps daughter in law is now the co chair of the republican party.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-trump-backed-republican-party-leadership-pushes-out-officials-politico-2024-03-11/

And saying every dollar donated or raised will go to trump.Which kinda starves the rest of the GOPfor election funds

[R650R]

Apparently some lefty influencer made a vid that denounced all things he didn’t like about Trump policies.
Turns out he/it/whatever accidently made a free campaign ad as it list all the things his voters like about him, hilarious.

Just remember folks this is all a sideshow to distract us from what really matters in the world

[jim.cox]

this is all a sideshow to distract us from what really matters in the world

@R650R - more of a shitshow, really

[pritch]

I read something today that Trumps daughter in law is now the co chair of the republican party.


The staff numbers have been reduced, initially by 60, and possibly another 30 since. What's left of the office is moving from Washington DC to Palm Beach Florida. If Trump is to get all the money the office might as well be handy.

[pritch]

The politicians on the hill are not up with the play it seems. They are voting on whether to ban TikTok. Apparently they are unaware that a billionaire associated with TikTok has made a sizeable donation to Trump. TikTok will be OK.

Similarly Don Jr just said nice things about Bud light which has upset the MAGAts. Apparently they are unaware the Trump Sr has received a contribution from Anheuser Busch. Bud Light is AOK.

[F5 Dave]

How has no one just pulled the plug hole from that country and sunk it like Atlantis?

[pritch]

If Trump wants to appeal the 350 odd million fine in the NY civil fraud case the law requires that he post a bond approaching half a billion, with interest, which would be forfeit if he loses the appeal.

Recently his lawyer Alina Habba went on TV and said Trump would have no difficulty paying the bond as he has "billions and billions and billions." Trump has now written to the NY Appellate Court asking them to waive the bond as he has found it impossible to raise the money. That would normally mean that the NY Attorney General can immediately start seizing his properties to recover the fine, but this is not normal, this is Trump.

We await developments.

[Laava]

How has no one just pulled the plug hole from that country and sunk it like Atlantis?
Because no one wants to listen to the horrendous gurgling noise as the dregs (those on top) get pulled under!

[Pursang]

Because no one wants to listen to the horrendous gurgling noise as the dregs (those on top) get pulled under!

Years ago, I did some instrument installation work in a large sewerage plant.
The two most relevant technical things you need to know are: "Sludge always Sinks to the Bottom" and "Scum always Floats to the Top"!
And...the other thing you quickly learn is: "Remember to wash your hands before eating Lunch"!

[Laava]

Haha, nice one!

[pritch]

Y
And...the other thing you quickly learn is: "Remember to wash your hands before eating Lunch"!

Having been a bus driver for a time I'm familiar with the concept of eating out of a bag without touching the food.

[pritch]

There is a growing list of lawyers who have faced criminal charges or who have lost their licence to practice law as a result of their association with Trump. The latest in trouble is Stephanie Lambert who was appearing in a court case in Washington DC. At the conclusion of the case the judge asked Ms Lambert to stay behind when everybody else left. She was then arrested by US Marshalls and taken to Michigan to face charges related to interfering with voting machines.

[F5 Dave]

Can you imagine studying so long,- incurring US university type debt,then losing your livelihood because you got dizzy in the head and confused your messiah with your moral code and the desire to please him at all (to be revealed later but binding to yourself) costs?

[1/32 man]

So Trump wriggles through another tight spot....When will he face some real consequences? Very soon I hope.

[sugilite]

So Trump wriggles through another tight spot....When will he face some real consequences? Very soon I hope.

It will take a while, there is definitely powers that be that do not want the court cases to go through as they will show they let a second rate criminal get the keys to the white house that is normally reserved for first rate criminals :rolleyes:

[pete376403]

So Trump wriggles through another tight spot....When will he face some real consequences? Very soon I hope.
Referring to the Appeals court dropping the bond to $175m? It certainly looks like money has changed hands somewhere in the system

[1/32 man]

Referring to the Appeals court dropping the bond to $175m?

Yes that was my focus

[pritch]

There is so much Trump news currently but this sorta stands out. In addition to his gold sneakers and sundry other tasteless tat, he is now hawking a "God Bless The USA" Bible. A King James Version, it also includes, among other things, a copy of the US Constitution. So much for the seperation of church and state. Still, Trump would have no more idea about what's in the Constitution than he has about what's in the Bible, but they are both out of copyright.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-god-bless-usa-bible-greenwood-2713fda3efdfa297d0f024efb1ca3003

[1/32 man]

I saw that too and wondered if you had to wait for delivery like the golden boots he is selling....pay now and receive your goods(maybe) in three months time?

Bit of an oxymoron....trump selling bibles.

[pritch]

Bit of an oxymoron....trump selling bibles.

Yep. That's the guy who just wished everybody a happy holy week. He obviously has zero idea of what Easter is supposed to be about. There was also the time he was quizzed about his religious beliefs, his favourite bible verse, etc. He said that was personal and he didn't like to discuss it. He was then asked whether he preferred the Old Testament or the New. He said he liked them equally. If you were, you know, a Christian, you could be expected to have a preference for the New Testament. He didn't even know that.

[R650R]

If Trump wants to appeal the 350 odd million fine in the NY civil fraud case the law requires that he post a bond approaching half a billion, with interest, which would be forfeit if he loses the appeal.

Recently his lawyer Alina Habba went on TV and said Trump would have no difficulty paying the bond as he has "billions and billions and billions." Trump has now written to the NY Appellate Court asking them to waive the bond as he has found it impossible to raise the money. That would normally mean that the NY Attorney General can immediately start seizing his properties to recover the fine, but this is not normal, this is Trump.

We await developments.

Your development has arrived

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350229659/trump-media-adds-14-billion-value-after-nasdaq-debut

Btw looks like editors got tired of adjusting white balance (technical photography tool) to make him look orange….

[pete376403]

Your development has arrived

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350229659/trump-media-adds-14-billion-value-after-nasdaq-debut

Btw looks like editors got tired of adjusting white balance (technical photography tool) to make him look orange….

Trump cant sell the stock for six months. So not going to see any cash any time soon.

[Grumph]

Trump cant sell the stock for six months. So not going to see any cash any time soon.

You know how he works. He can probably borrow against it. Whether the stock is still worth anything in 6 months, who knows.

[Laava]

Yep. That's the guy who just wished everybody a happy holy week. He obviously has zero idea of what Easter is supposed to be about. There was also the time he was quizzed about his religious beliefs, his favourite bible verse, etc. He said that was personal and he didn't like to discuss it. He was then asked whether he preferred the Old Testament or the New. He said he liked them equally. If you were, you know, a Christian, you could be expected to have a preference for the New Testament. He didn't even know that.
It's hilarious, he is too dumb to actually read it but dumb enough to believe it! Lols!

[pete376403]

You know how he works. He can probably borrow against it. Whether the stock is still worth anything in 6 months, who knows.

And that what a lender woould be wary of. Be like trying to get a bank loan using a lotto ticket as collateral. Especially as the biggest drawcard of the trusth social stock is that it's trumps own, and once he dumps his 58% then, there goes the raison d'etre

[pritch]

The share float developments are hard to understand. Truth Social is basically failing, it has been losing about fifty million a year. It's not a competitor for Twitter/X, it basically just functions as a megaphone for Trump. The institutional investors won't touch this float with a barge pole, so it must be MAGAts investing their hard earned cash. That part of it which they haven't already donated to Trump or spent on his sundry worthless tat.
And the share value soars - for the present at least.

The 'God Bless The USA Bible' has been around for a few years at $49.99. Now that Trump has endorsed it the price is $59.99. Previously there were complaints that the pages stick together and that delivery was subject to lengthy delays.

[nerrrd]

But it must be worth that because the (share)market is always right, right?

Surely there's an element of fraud here (it's Trump, so QED), there must be somebody sensible left in the US looking into this??

[pritch]

An interesting read about the Trump media share float. If you make it to near the end the comments re cults are interesting.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/02/opinions/trump-media-stock-cult-filipovic/index.html

[F5 Dave]

Well I don't feel like reading extensively on the guy , but as a future Cult leader (precluded to in some of my other posts) I've studied the Playbook and it seems that first you need to make people suspicious of any groups but this one. Then get then to cut ties .
Then emotional invest. Then financially invest.

Then there's the deprivation of sex. That bit will be interesting. Then double down on everything as you are way too far to pull out now.

Did I get Housie?

[pritch]

Did I get Housie?

Sorta. The first rule of cult club is that there is no cult.

[pete376403]

But it must be worth that because the (share)market is always right, right?

Surely there's an element of fraud here (it's Trump, so QED), there must be somebody sensible left in the US looking into this??

The sensible ones are those who saw the float for what it was, bought up large initially then cashed out before the reported losses ie pump and dump

[pritch]

Sundry items of Trump news - short version.

Y'all may remember Christopher Steel the former British intelligence officer who gave us news of the pee tapes. Trump sued his company in British courts and lost. Trump appealed, of course, and now he has lost the appeal too.

His $175 million bond in New York has been rejected by the court. This doesn't mean the AG will be coming for his property just yet. It means the company supplying the bond, not their normal line of business, failed to give all the required financial information. The court basically wants to know they have the resources to cover the bond.

The co-founders of Truth Social, Litinsky and Moss, have taken legal action in a Delaware Court against Trump reducing the value of their shareholding. Trump had earlier asked them to sign their shareholdings over to Melania but they had declined his kind offer. Trump assured the judge in Delaware that he would not take action to reduce the value of their shareholding meantime. Then went straight back to Florida and commenced a legal action against them in a Florida court. I have mixed feelings about this. He is obviously trying to shaft them but they sorta deserve that just for going into business with him. It's not as if they didn't know what he was.

[Pursang]

It's not as if they didn't know what he was.

https://www.laprogressive.com/.image/ar_16:9%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_fa ces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_620/MTg2OTE2MDE1OTkyMDIyNTIw/scorpion-and-frog-720.jpg

[Laava]

Haha, classic!

[pritch]

Was just watching some discussion about Trump's 'social media empire'. A deep dive into the small print reveals that the company operates under Argentinian law.
Totally normal for a US company of course...

:weird:

[F5 Dave]

M.A.G.A

A being Argentina of course.

[pritch]

The Trump/Stormy Daniels trial is getting close. Daily Trump's lawyers have posted appeals to dismiss, motions to delay, or change the venue, etc etc. About ten in all. As creative as they are they must be running out of ideas. In the next week or so they might have to play the Joker. Trump will be rushed to hospital with a mysterious illness and can't attend court.

Unlike his previous civil actions where it didn't make any difference whether he attended or not. This is a criminal trial, he is required to be present in court.

[pritch]

Oops!

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-bond-new-york-civil-fraud-case-manhattan-letitia-james-arthur-engoron-1888410

[neels]

And another oops, probably good practice as a lawyer to check you're sending stuff to the right person

About as competent as organising a press conference at the wrong 4 seasons....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hush-money-trial-jeremy-rosenberg-subpoena-b2526304.html

[husaberg]

The Trump/Stormy Daniels trial is getting close. Daily Trump's lawyers have posted appeals to dismiss, motions to delay, or change the venue, etc etc. About ten in all. As creative as they are they must be running out of ideas. In the next week or so they might have to play the Joker. Trump will be rushed to hospital with a mysterious illness and can't attend court.

Unlike his previous civil actions where it didn't make any difference whether he attended or not. This is a criminal trial, he is required to be present in court.

A hospital trip wouldn't play out well being he's selling himself on being healthier than the other octogenarian.
So maybe his wife or kids would need to take another for the team......My moneys on Tiffany ....
That Daniels case is not going to be good for the marriage.

Trumps go fund me has raised 2 million
only issue is his rulings now are over 470 million

https://trumpdebtcounter.com/
https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement

[Grumph]

That Daniels case is not going to be good for the marriage.


What marriage ? It's strictly a business arrangement. She recently renegotiated the prenup.
I suspect any appearances on the campaign trail are bought and paid for.

[pritch]

Trump's financial troubles may be worsening. He is being sued by the guys who set up Truth Social and is counter suing them. He is being sued by the guy who set up the Special Purpose Acquisition Company that bought Truth Social in preparation for the float and is counter suing him.

He is apparently making moves to increase the number of shares available which will dilute everybody else's shareholding but increase his. I was wondering where the Securities and Exchange Commision were while all this is taking place.

There is a class of lawyers who represent shareholders in class actions against companies when they feel their rights have been breached. Some of these are reportedly already inviting contact from interested parties. The sharks are circling.

This is all such a raging success that Trump is now talking setting up a streaming service. :whistle:

[Stylo]

It's noticeable that he's very much on his own now too. Where did your 'people' go Donald ?

'Everyone knows this a witch hunt ! ' The petulant idiot still thinks he's above any gag orders. This is magic, the gift that keeps on giving.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSvP8IAdvxA

[F5 Dave]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bbQC14NtIzU&pp=ygUWZmx5bGVhZiBzZXQgbWUgb24gZmlyZQ%3D%3DI love lacey.

Turn it up. She's amazing. Or with an s

[pritch]

It's reported that the US Secret Service is in talks with the various authorities on the logistics of incarcerating Trump. The report is in the NY Times behind a paywall.

Trump has breached the gag order requiring him not to threaten witnesses or jurors up to thirteen times depending who you ask. Anyone else would have been locked up long since. If Trump does get locked up, he will need to be accompanied by his Secret Service detail. Special authority would need to be granted for them to be armed in a jail or prison. Presumably he would need to be kept seperate from the rest of the prison population.

Still, it's interesting that the possibility is great enough that the discussions are taking place.

[F5 Dave]

Well, he's closer to prison than Hillary ever was, despite his leading the chant. . . Now, how did it go?

[onearmedbandit]

Well, he's closer to prison than Hillary ever was, despite his leading the chant. . . Now, how did it go?

"Grab 'em by the pu...". Whoops no, not that one.

[onearmedbandit]

This does raise an interesting scenario.

https://accessiblenews.xyz/article/BYFxAcGcC4HpYO5IHQDsBewCmAnAhgDYAmyAxgPZrqLk7GwUCu xAtEeaoUSyDowLbgWAc3I8x4HAEtIHFlIBmLbG3JZIPFZCykcW EC204AblNJYRajSHLlYADQBMAOQCaAFgBaAcQBijgDUAEQBWAC EAeQBVAAUAQVcAGQBmAHUAaVdnN1ggA

[F5 Dave]

Imagine the poor secret service staff that has been assigned to guard him, in gaol or otherwise.

The best of the best, and I'm babysitting a pensioner, grumble. And my CV will reflect that. Everyone from now will assume it was a punishment. OK there was that one diplomat I accidentally tasered. But that could have happened to anyone.

[Laava]

Behaviour modification? Is to be encouraged…

[husaberg]

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bzjqJdsDWgc" title="Trump Violates Gag Order AGAIN, Fox News Can’t Believe the Injustice &amp; No Crowds Show Up for Trial" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>some gold later in this...

[Grumph]

Imagine the poor secret service staff that has been assigned to guard him, in gaol or otherwise.

The best of the best, and I'm babysitting a pensioner, grumble. And my CV will reflect that. Everyone from now will assume it was a punishment. OK there was that one diplomat I accidentally tasered. But that could have happened to anyone.

I've read somewhere that there's been some filtering done in the secret service. Biden was worried enough when he got to the White House that they moved the MAGA Trump loyalists in the service over to Trump's guard. Biden got a fresh lot with no Trump affiliations.
I suspect if he goes to jail, the crew looking after him may have to be watched fairly closely. A run to Russia could be on. And the guard could well help.

[sugilite]

Trump was moaning that there would not be a fair jury pool to draw from in his assault of a porn star with a soft 3 inch instrument trial. Yet I saw he had a mega load of 10 magas protesting outside the court house today. That impressive support crowd could just about fill the 12 required juror spots!

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[Pursang]

https://i.redd.it/dba87slt34ra1.png

[husaberg]

https://i.redd.it/dba87slt34ra1.png
what I found rather funny is he just been fined for talking about a court case against a gag order in a case where he tried to pay off a paper to kill stories to prevent multiple people from talking about him....Yet all the while he screams free speech...poor me

[pritch]

Update on Trump Media - should you feel tempted to invest. The Securities Exchange Commission has permanently disqualified the auditor of Trump Media and ordered them to pay US$14 million.

You might have expected the Trump Media enterprise to retain a major accounting firm based in Manhattan but no. The photo below shows the world headquarters of the firm in Colorado.

[Pursang]

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=354659&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1714771474

Looks like the Public Toilet Block at an edge of town park!

[husaberg]

Well, he's closer to prison than Hillary ever was, despite his leading the chant. . . Now, how did it go?



Update on Trump Media - should you feel tempted to invest. The Securities Exchange Commission has permanently disqualified the auditor of Trump Media and ordered them to pay US$14 million.

You might have expected the Trump Media enterprise to retain a major accounting firm based in Manhattan but no. The photo below shows the world headquarters of the firm in Colorado.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkArjqnVsAAPfrw?format=jpg&name=small

[Kickaha]

I'd like Trump to win just to see what kind of shit show he would cause

[R650R]

https://i.redd.it/dba87slt34ra1.png

That is kinda funny.

We’ll have to wait and see how this plays out. Stormy Daniel’s has publicly denied signing at least one of letter. Then she doubled down in tv interview later and mentioned non disclosure agreement.
In any case it’s likely trumps lawyer prob handled all this, they will need to prove trump ordered directly and hush money etc
People at this level know how the system works and are smart enough to insulate the man at top.

It’s a bit like say an overloaded speeding truck running someone over. It’s easy for cops to nail the driver and maybe the despatcher but hard to assign liability/fines to manager/owner.

Let’s not forget all this is a scripted sideshow to distract us from other stuff.

[husaberg]

People at this level know how the system works and are smart enough to insulate the man at top.

It’s a bit like say an overloaded speeding truck running someone over. It’s easy for cops to nail the driver and maybe the despatcher but hard to assign liability/fines to manager/owner.
.
yeah right.......

Ron Salter pleaded guilty to a range of health and safety charges after a contractor died at his South Auckland business. Two years later police turned up claiming his health and safety failings meant his business was operating outside the law and it was taking a “proceeds of crime” case against the business owner. David Fisher reports on the latest turn in the courts - and how much money police are seeking.


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/beverly-hills-businessman-pleads-guilty-tax-evasion (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/beverly-hills-businessman-pleads-guilty-tax-evasion/QUOTE])


Auckland cafe owner mum sent to jail for tax evasion, claiming benefits in $420k scam


Business owner convicted over $63,000 tax evasionA North Otago business owner racked up more than $63,000 in unpaid taxes and became involved in an incident with an ex-All Black in the meantime.


Ten businesses or organisations were charged by WorkSafe with seven convicted for failing to meet their duties. This includes the business with management and control of the island, Whakaari Management Limited and five commercial tour providers as well as a Crown Research Institute.


Teen rubbish truck worker's death: Council, companies charged.
Three companies charged in connection with the death of a teenage rubbish truck worker have been sentenced to pay $255,000 in reparations and fines.
Jane Devonshire was killed in August 2015 on Auckland's North Shore when the truck she was working on slid down a bank after its brakes failed.
The truck careened 120 metres down the road before falling over the edge. Ms Devonshire, who was standing on the left hand side of the truck, was thrown from the vehicle and crushed after it landed on top of her. The truck's driver, who survived the crash, had to be cut from the vehicle.
The court heard the truck was overdue for servicing, and despite its brake issues being identified nothing was done to fix it.
Auckland Council, Veolia Environmental Services and N P Dobbe Maintenance all have been ordered to pay $120,000 to Ms Devonshire's family, and $15,000 to the truck's driver.
As well as the reparations, all three parties have been ordered to pay a combined total of $120,000 in fines. Auckland Council: $33,000, Veolia: $65,000, and N P Dobbe: $22,000

[pete376403]

yeah right.......


One likes to think that the justice system in NZ is better than, perhaps la little less corrupt, than that in the USA. But then again...

[pritch]

On a lighter note...
The lawyer Trump appointed to be in charge of 'election integrity', Christina Bobb, has been charged with crimes related to the Arizona fake elector scheme.

[nerrrd]

That is kinda funny.

WeÂ’ll have to wait and see how this plays out. Stormy DanielÂ’s has publicly denied signing at least one of letter. Then she doubled down in tv interview later and mentioned non disclosure agreement.
In any case itÂ’s likely trumps lawyer prob handled all this, they will need to prove trump ordered directly and hush money etc
People at this level know how the system works and are smart enough to insulate the man at top.

ItÂ’s a bit like say an overloaded speeding truck running someone over. ItÂ’s easy for cops to nail the driver and maybe the despatcher but hard to assign liability/fines to manager/owner.

LetÂ’s not forget all this is a scripted sideshow to distract us from other stuff.

He's not very good at covering his tracks so far, his whole operation seems somewhat, ummm, rudimentary compared to previous presidents.

[sugilite]

I've noticed in the past how much fox omits to report on (cnn, msnbc etc quilty of this too) but man oh man fox is taking it to a new level with reporting on this trial! Clearly after reading the comments section, fox have magas believing the case is on the cusp of being tossed.
They are in for a big shock when the likely quilty verdicts come in. It is all engineered to give the look that this is a kangaroo court etc. Clearly angry triggered magas are good for businesses over at fox.

At what point does a news channel become liable of inciting likely violence through blatant lying.

On a side note, Hunter Biden is suing fox and they are already taking shit down. Too late fox! Possibly poetic justice on the way?

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[1/32 man]

Fox channel has described itself as an entertainment channel not a news channel....so there is a possible out for them.

I would have thought someone would have had a shot at trumpfs legs with 38 or a 45 by now. The 45 being more appropriate.

[Grumph]

Fox channel has described itself as an entertainment channel not a news channel....so there is a possible out for them.

I would have thought someone would have had a shot at trumpfs legs with 38 or a 45 by now. The 45 being more appropriate.

i look at the US news each morning in the hope of reading that someone's put a bullet in him.

Still optimistic it could happen.

[Laava]

I imagine there would be a big "floop" noise as the billet passes thru and then entry and exit wounds would just meld back together like a hot marshmallow

[1/32 man]

I imagine there would be a big "floop" noise as the billet passes thru and then entry and exit wounds would just meld back together like a hot marshmallow

That made me laugh...I think what you decribe is what would happen to the orange turd.

[Laava]

That made me laugh...I think what you decribe is what would happen to the orange turd.
Yep, no damage done, nothing inside to be damaged, kinda like Gumby but with no personality.

[neels]

Would having the consistency of a marshmallow make him easier to eat?

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-hannibal-lecter-new-jersey-rally-b2543749.html

[pete376403]

Adding to trumps woes, will need another givealittle page
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trump-could-owe-over-100-million-in-taxes-if-he-loses-audit-case-report-5643813

[husaberg]

Adding to trumps woes, will need another givealittle page
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trump-could-owe-over-100-million-in-taxes-if-he-loses-audit-case-report-5643813

I hadn't seen that one, hilarious.

[pritch]

This morning I went to the local village for a coffee and found myself parked facing this. The enemy is *that* close. A Trump and Q Anon supporter.

[1/32 man]

They are here alright but just a few losers dumb enough to latch onto something, anything.

What does the second set of letters refer too?

[pete376403]

They are here alright but just a few losers dumb enough to latch onto something, anything.

What does the second set of letters refer too?


(US politics) Initialism of Where we go one, we go all. (QAnon believers supporting each other or having unquestioning loyalty.)

[Laava]

Funny cos its true!

[F5 Dave]

Hahaha :lol:

[pritch]

This is interesting on a number of levels. Although the ethics expert mentioned says this is not illegal, inquiries have been initiated in both Houses of Congress.

Trump promised the oil companies an executive order on day one. Somewhat worryingly the companies are composing the appropriate executive order themselves. They don't believe Trump will have anybody in his next administration capable of doing so. In the latter days of his last administration legal documents were written by people who appeared to lack legal training. The concern seems justified.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131

[Stylo]

i look at the US news each morning in the hope of reading that someone's put a bullet in him.

Still optimistic it could happen.

If by chance he does get elected, that might be sooner rather than later.

The fan is spinning now. Something is about to hit it...