Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[mashman]

Jesus fucking a homo krist! He is a fuking dreadful speaker. His lies are predictable and he gets lost mid conversation. The only thing that matters to him is to tell you how great he is. Which is fuking useless.

I can't believe you could think he was anything other than a bad joke.


Cue usual Trump defence. . But he was better than ObamClintLincon

I like that he's unrehearsed and unrefined. It is pretty comedic without question at times, but hey, if you can't manage to get passed the messenger, you're not exactly Einstein yourself and should probably stay away from green houses.

[F5 Dave]

That's "glass houses"

[Berries]

That's "glass houses"
Finally, something in the Trump thread I can contribute to.

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[pritch]

Trump has been assessed as having the communication ability of a fourth grader, a nine year old. Here is a linguistics professor discussing Trump's speaking ability - or the lack thereof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsU1vVHOQI

[Viking01]

So, while the post-election sideshow has been going on, behind the curtains:

https://sputniknews.com/us/202012041081363346-us-congresspeople-press-leaders-to-compromise-on-covid-19-relief-package/
https://www.rt.com/usa/508740-pelosi-covid19-relief-biden/

while:

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/12/house-hearing-wall-street-gets-bailed-out-by-fed-main-street-gets-sold-out/

[R650R]

Trump has been assessed as having the communication ability of a fourth grader, a nine year old. Here is a linguistics professor discussing Trump's speaking ability - or the lack thereof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsU1vVHOQI

Your constant fallback position to this point....

Only serves to show how great Trump has been at Winning.
Can you believe this people.
Can you.
They say I talk like a fourth grader.
Well what I say must be so great, so tremendous, that people have to listen.
We're winning so much, everywhere, your going to get tired of us winning.
Yes
Tired of winning so much.
That's great
We're making America great again, by winning.
We're winning so much, so many tremendous wins.
:)

[nerrrd]

Are we there yet?

[pritch]

Your constant fallback position to this point....

Only serves to show how great Trump has been at Winning.
Can you believe this people.
Can you.
They say I talk like a fourth grader.
Well what I say must be so great, so tremendous, that people have to listen.
We're winning so much, everywhere, your going to get tired of us winning.
Yes
Tired of winning so much.
That's great
We're making America great again, by winning.
We're winning so much, so many tremendous wins.
:)

Cool story bro. But he lost. He lost the popular vote - twice. He lost re-election. He lost the war against a virus, and hundreds of thousands needlessly lost their lives. So much losing. Big losing. Nobody ever saw so much losing.

[MaxPenguin]

Cool story bro. But he lost. He lost the popular vote - twice. He lost re-election. He lost the war against a virus, and hundreds of thousands needlessly lost their lives. So much losing. Big losing. Nobody ever saw so much losing.

Remember these qanon guys also think that Tom Hanks is part of a secret society that make pizzas out of children and transports them in secret underground tunnels, so for them to think that Trump actually won when he clearly didn't is one of their more conservative delusions.

[pritch]

There was recent discussion about the Flynn pardon. Here is the current state of play, and yes as at now, the case is still proceeding.

This is longsh but informative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlFCJzL8W0

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i4JxWkSYzU&t=106s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uUyiE0fzJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH8CFPXCz90

[pritch]

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1334567088657211394
Video footage from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1334573392180211716

That load of shite didn't age well dd it?

And the Trump shit show loses more cases. It's now 45 cases lost and the judges are using some scathing language. Some Congressmen (Congresspersons?) have referred Trump's "elite strike force" of lawyers to the appropriate disciplinary body. They should be disbarred.

[R650R]

Remember these qanon guys also think that Tom Hanks is part of a secret society that make pizzas out of children and transports them in secret underground tunnels, so for them to think that Trump actually won when he clearly didn't is one of their more conservative delusions.

Q anonymous is a another fake control valve run by elite just like Alex Jones. Heres a tip, anyone mentioned or acknowledged by mainstream media as even existing is a fake operation owned by the elite.
Q came out of nowhere and overnighting it was the quoteabke name for “exposing” the elite etc....

Ever tried running a blog or FB hobby page etc? You don’t get anywhere without BIG money, it’s impossible unless you get your tits out and even then instagram is overpopulated now so even whores need a secondary talent like yoga or bikes to get exposure and viewcounts.

Guys that are really hitting the mark with their material get deplatformed and blocked by big tech...
You’ll find it hard to discover their material... here’s a list of names you never will heard of....

Ps I don’t necessarily agree with all their material.
Jim Stone (USA ex NSA)
Brendon O’Connel (Aussie)
Max Igan - Crowhouse (Aussie)
Henry Makow (Jewish)
Mike Riviero whatreallyhappened
Christopher Bollyn

[R650R]

Hussie... all the things nobody knew... that is hilarious even if most is clipped out of context

[husaberg]

Hussie... all the things nobody knew... that is hilarious even if most is clipped out of context
https://images.axios.com/gmEUiTtrV2YVbA1ztL7jYfyzA_c=/fit-in/1366x1366/2020/10/12/1602533731166.pnghttps://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F 590edb6f-9ea6-4711-b600-552654ae2776_1200x700.pnghttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/e0/fa/a4e0fa537d4b047fce78796c40e75c61.png
Well Nobody expects to know more than you or trump
https://i.imgflip.com/2esvc5.jpghttps://i.pinimg.com/564x/e3/cb/18/e3cb180a13211ee61e20239bde96d6dc.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR3f95BGIiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHv0RExQsPQ

[F5 Dave]

I like that he's unrehearsed and unrefined. It is pretty comedic without question at times, but hey, if you can't manage to get passed the messenger, you're not exactly Einstein yourself and should probably stay away from green houses.
And no, of course I'm nothing like Einstein. That guy was an absolute genius.

He'd make all of us look stupid.

Whereas you just need you to make you look stupid.

We could have a vote here, to which of us was smarter, but that would be a bit meaningless as it would just be a popularity contest.

Which you would also lose, but are so socially unaware, you would be surprised I'm sure.

But you must have gotten used to that with your last venture into local politics. What on earth were you thinking?

[husaberg]

https://cdn.digg.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/04185415/Screen-Shot-2020-12-04-at-1.53.50-PM.jpg

[george formby]

I love fart humour.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-election-did-rudy-giuliani-fart-at-michigan-election-fraud-hearing/ZEJCII3PUUJ3XQNQOU4TWRUWVY/

[mashman]

And no, of course I'm nothing like Einstein. That guy was an absolute genius.

He'd make all of us look stupid.

Whereas you just need you to make you look stupid.

We could have a vote here, to which of us was smarter, but that would be a bit meaningless as it would just be a popularity contest.

Which you would also lose, but are so socially unaware, you would be surprised I'm sure.

But you must have gotten used to that with your last venture into local politics. What on earth were you thinking?

Thanks Dr Dave. I have no need to look smart. I have no need to be popular. I have no need to be successful. But please continue to introduce your projection of me to the class... some might say, please continue to introduce the inner you, but that's a way ahead of your time.

What was I thinking? Easy. The way things are set up we're all going to die. I thought I'd see if the public are aware of it yet enough to address the problems. Clearly not, still. The truth isn't popular, but it is still the well evidenced truth. Stand up or shut the fuck up would be an apt thing to say at this point, but I can see that you guys prefer living on your knees... so long as you're kneeling the the heads of others that are standing on the shoulders of others, coz then you're a smarter, a morer successful Person than others who is popular because they're smart and successful :tugger: There is a bright side, but alas, that requires the ability to get over oneself... somewhat ironically something Persons have a very hard time with for a great variety of reasons. None of them truly good reasons in the brining shite of day, but hey, the crowd needs you to say certain things so that you look smarter than them and so on... Ohhhhhhhhhhh I could write a memoir right now ;)

[sugilite]

Your constant fallback position to this point....

Only serves to show how great Trump has been at Winning.
Can you believe this people.
Can you.
They say I talk like a fourth grader.
Well what I say must be so great, so tremendous, that people have to listen.
We're winning so much, everywhere, your going to get tired of us winning.
Yes
Tired of winning so much.
That's great
We're making America great again, by winning.
We're winning so much, so many tremendous wins.
:)
A win for Trump! Oh, wait, it is yet another loss. :laugh:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-court-restores-daca-program-orders-dhs-to-begin-accepting-new-applicants

[Kickaha]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh I could write a memoir right now ;)

It'd be just as shit as the crap you spout on here

[MaxPenguin]

Thanks Dr Dave. I have no need to look smart. I have no need to be popular. I have no need to be successful. But please continue to introduce your projection of me to the class... some might say, please continue to introduce the inner you, but that's a way ahead of your time.

What was I thinking? Easy. The way things are set up we're all going to die. I thought I'd see if the public are aware of it yet enough to address the problems. Clearly not, still. The truth isn't popular, but it is still the well evidenced truth. Stand up or shut the fuck up would be an apt thing to say at this point, but I can see that you guys prefer living on your knees... so long as you're kneeling the the heads of others that are standing on the shoulders of others, coz then you're a smarter, a morer successful Person than others who is popular because they're smart and successful :tugger: There is a bright side, but alas, that requires the ability to get over oneself... somewhat ironically something Persons have a very hard time with for a great variety of reasons. None of them truly good reasons in the brining shite of day, but hey, the crowd needs you to say certain things so that you look smarter than them and so on... Ohhhhhhhhhhh I could write a memoir right now ;)

Why do you think you are better than us?

[husaberg]

It'd be just as shit as the crap you spout on here

What you need to understand with Mashy is he wants a system where everyone sits around smoking dope getting paid a full wage while others support him.
he wants a world where there is no consumerism but he still wants stuff like primo pharma grade weed and subpar KFC.
id suggest you put it on 1.5
https://www.beachfm.co.nz/podcast/episode/e1b65fcc/gordon-marshall-independant

[mashman]

It'd be just as shit as the crap you spout on here

It wouldn't be about what I've spouted, but moreover the stupidity that I've witnessed... duh... and that has been very entertaining. Thank you.

[mashman]

Why do you think you are better than us?

Is that what I think? Well that's news to me. I'd say stop thinking that I Am thinking that, because I Am not... but I hold out not great hope that any of you are capable of such a thing given the evidence of the last long time. Don't get me wrong it was fun watching people flap their gums with regards to what THEY think I mean or why THEY say I posted something, and it still is to an extent... but it did get boring, that's all. No better nor worse than any of ya, just your thinking that that's what I think that's in the way. Meh, not my problem bruv.

[F5 Dave]

Why do you think you are better than us?
Which is precisely why people dont like you mashy. Take a lesson.

[mashman]

Which is precisely why people dont like you mashy. Take a lesson.

Waaah waaah waaah people on the internet don't like me. You thinking that I think that I Am better than you is fucking ridiculous. I pointed this out to a forum member, who PM'd me with the same caring thoughts as your post there a good few years ago, that I Am not responsible for what you think Is, especially when I know the opposite to be true. Some people grasp that what I Am saying is actually true i.e. I do not consider myself better than anyone. Take a lesson, Dave.

[MaxPenguin]

Waaah waaah waaah people on the internet don't like me. You thinking that I think that I Am better than you is fucking ridiculous. I pointed this out to a forum member, who PM'd me with the same caring thoughts as your post there a good few years ago, that I Am not responsible for what you think Is, especially when I know the opposite to be true. Some people grasp that what I Am saying is actually true i.e. I do not consider myself better than anyone. Take a lesson, Dave.

Well I didn't say I didn't like you, just asked why you think you are somehow superior. Your superiority complex is strong.

[mashman]

Well I didn't say I didn't like you, just asked why you think you are somehow superior. Your superiority complex is strong.

lol... maybe I only look superior because your inferiority complex is stronger than my superiority complex ;)... unless the echo chamber decides otherwise of course.

[mashman]

Another one.

OANN: Biden and Harris Executed by Firing Squad Led by Trump (guaranteed true GOP news) (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/12/04/oann-biden-and-harris-executed-by-firing-squad-led-by-trump-guaranteed-true-gop-news/)

"The claim that President Trump is going after traitors were also confirmed this week by retired US Army Major Jeffrey Prather, founder of the Warriorschool, that since 1995, has trained the US Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard special forces, as well as most US federal law enforcement agencies such the FBI, DHS, US Marshals and Border Patrol."

"Warns that the left-wing backlash against Trump’s victory will result in bloodshed that cannot be avoided.".

[Kickaha]

he wants a system where everyone sits around smoking dope getting paid a full wage while others support him.
he wants a world where there is no consumerism but he still wants stuff like primo pharma grade weed and subpar KFC.


Substitute the KFC for BK and I'm in

[husaberg]

lol... maybe I only look superior because your inferiority complex is stronger than my superiority complex ;)... unless the echo chamber decides otherwise of course.

the public decided twice


Mana electorate 2020 MARSHALL, Gordon (IND) 119 votes Leading candidate EDMONDS, Barbara 26,122 votes

Mana electorate 2017 MARSHALL, Gordon (IND) 214 votes 0.56% Leading candidate FAAFOI, Kris 22,709 Votes

[F5 Dave]

Jesus fuk, I thought you got 300.

Fuck you are useless. And you did it a 2nd time. Surely you realised that no one likes you?

[mashman]

Jesus fuk, I thought you got 300.

Fuck you are useless. And you did it a 2nd time. Surely you realised that no one likes you?

Nope. Hence the still I used earlier that you would have missed that I can't be arsed going over again. Although I know of a few votes that were meant and were surprisingly and most gratefully received.

You're not paying attention are ya. It's not about Me.

[Kickaha]

Jesus fuk, I thought you got 300.

Fuck you are useless. And you did it a 2nd time. Surely you realised that no one likes you?

It was probably rigged by Dominion voting

[husaberg]

Jesus fuk, I thought you got 300.

Fuck you are useless. And you did it a 2nd time. Surely you realised that no one likes you?

In fairness, he did in fact get 300 votes.
<marquee behavior="scroll" direction="left"> It just took two elections that’s all.</marquee>

[F5 Dave]

He actually won by I large margin. A bigger margin than anyone before.

But it was stolen from him. Maybe if we discounted all the mail in votes:lol:

[mashman]

Pentagon blocks visits to military spy agencies by Biden transition team (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/pentagon-blocks-biden-transition-team/2020/12/04/2e7042fa-3656-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html)

"The inability to meet with the NSA was described as particularly worrisome. The agency is the largest U.S. intelligence service, and its eavesdropping capabilities have been a critical source of intelligence on threats as varied as weapons proliferation and foreign interference in U.S. elections."

"“If they were in a cooperative mood, none of this would be happening,” said another person with knowledge of the interactions.".

Go read the headline again.

The Pentagon doesn't want to let an incoming President near any intelligence tools? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Oh I'm sure it's just silly formalities and red tape, but you do gotta wonder why they're not licking Bidens arse and having parties in the halls :shifty:

[husaberg]

He actually won by I large margin. A bigger margin than anyone before.

But it was stolen from him. Maybe if we discounted all the mail in votes:lol:

Apparently, the NSA are spying on him now.

[pritch]

The Pentagon doesn't want to let an incoming President near any intelligence tools? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Oh I'm sure it's just silly formalities and red tape, but you do gotta wonder why they're not licking Bidens arse and having parties in the halls :shifty:

Trump recently placed a number of new people in top positions in the Pentagon, their main qualifications being that they are Trump loyalists.

Here's some reading.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-loyalist-pushed-out-of-white-house-now-leading-a-shakeup-at-the-pentagon-155750076.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABOaDZuZVRnS889AUej9FF2zrMK6 6PwW7P4bGF16QYZSf8TjRYusdNECrtEJqtBMe2rymfe4AZgB2z yHmmY54reG5T_NeXo8-rFKXTxfLXrHm2kAys1amIOsH51d9UoCjHvnY3X6_NxgG449SHn nG5EeQoe3CblFu-lVJqLsOvEZ

[mashman]

Trump recently placed a number of new people in top positions in the Pentagon, their main qualifications being that they are Trump loyalists.

Here's some reading.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-loyalist-pushed-out-of-white-house-now-leading-a-shakeup-at-the-pentagon-155750076.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABOaDZuZVRnS889AUej9FF2zrMK6 6PwW7P4bGF16QYZSf8TjRYusdNECrtEJqtBMe2rymfe4AZgB2z yHmmY54reG5T_NeXo8-rFKXTxfLXrHm2kAys1amIOsH51d9UoCjHvnY3X6_NxgG449SHn nG5EeQoe3CblFu-lVJqLsOvEZ

The other alternative was that "SOCOM has become a Praetorian Guard, and they don’t want to submit to anybody except Caesar". Do the job to the letter and don't ask questions. Alas, as almost all before Trump did, Biden will/is slowly changing that where he can :yawn: Tis the game... unless it isn't this time.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It was probably rigged by Dominion voting

If that doesn't work they will send some Vorta and a squadron or ten of Jem' Hadar. Then we're all fucked.

[nerrrd]

If that doesn't work they will send some Vorta and a squadron or ten of Jem' Hadar. Then we're all fucked.

Hey there’s no voting in the Dominion.

A blood test might be in order for the President, though, that could explain a lot.

[Grumph]

The other alternative was that "SOCOM has become a Praetorian Guard, and they don’t want to submit to anybody except Caesar". Do the job to the letter and don't ask questions. Alas, as almost all before Trump did, Biden will/is slowly changing that where he can :yawn: Tis the game... unless it isn't this time.

Behind the facts again. lower level meetings have already been taking place for some time. Meetings between the Biden officials and the pentagon transition team are now arranged.
The new Trump appointee made them go through a transition team rather than the channels they'd already made approaches through.
He's not there for long and his sole qualification is as a Trump loyalist - so don't expect speedy co-operation.

[mashman]

Behind the facts again. lower level meetings have already been taking place for some time. Meetings between the Biden officials and the pentagon transition team are now arranged.
The new Trump appointee made them go through a transition team rather than the channels they'd already made approaches through.
He's not there for long and his sole qualification is as a Trump loyalist - so don't expect speedy co-operation.

I know, the article I posted mentioned those things:

"While scrutiny intensifies of the transition at Defense Department intelligence agencies, officials have taken steps to advance that effort at the Pentagon itself. The first virtual meeting between the Pentagon's internal transition task force and the Biden team occurred Nov. 25. Since then, officials have taken administrative actions including granting access badges for the Biden team and completing non-disclosure agreements, Pentagon officials said.".

Still not got the keys to the castle yet.

[pritch]

On a musical note...

Various artists who had music appropriated by the Trump Campaign sent cease and desist letters to prevent their music being used. When the Rolling Stones reacted in that way Trump accused them of being "unAmerican."

The Village people did not object to the campaign using YMCA because Trump pounding out a gay anthem amused them.

His current behaviour suggests a new song might be appropriate. How about, "Burning Down the House?"

[mashman]

Another Trump Shill, no matter what he says.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrpw0rI-APU

[Laava]

Since then, officials have taken administrative actions including granting access badges for the Biden team.
At first glance I saw "grunting access badgers" and on second thought it kinda still all makes sense
also, lols at Guiliani getting the spicy cough!

[husaberg]

also, lols at Guiliani getting the spicy cough!

makes sense considering he had BBQ sauce running down his face the other day

https://i0.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/EnNWIrnWEAMdlF5.jpg

[mashman]

At first glance I saw "grunting access badgers" and on second thought it kinda still all makes sense
also, lols at Guiliani getting the spicy cough!

heh... just wait til they start asking for passwords, coz IT will be involved.
... waits for Trump applying physical gagging order meme ...

[pritch]

From Twitter this morning a thought that warmed the cockles of my heart.

Trump has mentioned holding a rally at the same time as Biden’s inauguration. He won’t be able to use Air Force One though. It will need to be at Andrews Air Force base fuelled and ready to go anywhere President Biden needs it to go.

Trump can take a bus.

[HenryDorsetCase]

makes sense considering he had BBQ sauce running down his face the other day

https://i0.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/EnNWIrnWEAMdlF5.jpg

who's the dead-eyed cunt behind him?

[pritch]

who's the dead-eyed cunt behind him?

That's Jenna Ellis, she of Trump's legal "elite strike force." She claims to be an expert in constitutional law but evidently has neither the qualifications nor the experience to support the claim. She was an assistant DA in rural Colorado and dealt with lower court matters such as traffic, assault, and theft etc.

The elite strike force has lost two more cases, that's 47 losses. Perhaps they'll go for the half century?

She doesn't seem to realise that while it's socially acceptable to talk to God, hearing his voice can get you a trip to the funny farm.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/jenna-ellis-says-jesus-wants-her-to-overturn-the-election-im-doing-the-right-thing-for-god/

[mashman]

Did that really just happen? Kemp changes his mind with regards to doing a Signature audit on some Georgia ballots, and then his, to all intents and purposes, son-in-law and office staff dies in a car crash that some are describing as an explosion with the engine being located some distance from the vehicle, less than a day later. Nah, there'll be an innocent answer like, erm, hmmmmmm, of course: Trump set the whole thing up to look that way.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Did that really just happen? Kemp changes his mind with regards to doing a Signature audit on some Georgia ballots, and then his, to all intents and purposes, son-in-law and office staff dies in a car crash that some are describing as an explosion with the engine being located some distance from the vehicle, less than a day later. Nah, there'll be an innocent answer like, erm, hmmmmmm, of course: Trump set the whole thing up to look that way.

I am a member of the Saurian/illuminati global society that is secretly controlling everything. You didnt see what you thought you saw. In fact there's nothing to see here. You need to go back and watch another episode of "Who wants to be a Millionaire" Don't miss it.

[husaberg]

Did that really just happen? Kemp changes his mind with regards to doing a Signature audit on some Georgia ballots, and then his, to all intents and purposes, son-in-law and office staff dies in a car crash that some are describing as an explosion with the engine being located some distance from the vehicle, less than a day later. Nah, there'll be an innocent answer like, erm, hmmmmmm, of course: Trump set the whole thing up to look that way.

Harrison deal was not a staff member for Kemp, he worked for Sen. Kelly Loeffler, whilst he might have been tupping one of kemps daughters, he did not work for him, nor does that prevent him from being involved in vehicle accidents
He also died in a 3 car crash. You need to stop attempting to do maths and you cant add things up.

especially given kemp never changed his mind about the dems winning Georgia



ATLANTA — During a Saturday morning phone call from President Donald Trump, Gov. Brian Kemp again refused a demand from Trump to call a special session of the Georgia Legislature to somehow overturn the November election result and decide it in the Republican’s favor, two sources confirm.

Kemp has previously declined Trump’s demands to call a special legislative session to appoint Republican electors to cast their votes for Trump, instead of the Democratic electors Kemp certified after the Georgia vote count and an audit showed that president-elect Joe Biden won Georgia by roughly 12,000 votes.

In a tweet Saturday, Kemp disclosed his conversation with the president, adding that he would like to see an audit of signatures associated with absentee ballots cast during the November election. Trump tweeted earlier in the day that Kemp is refusing a verification of absentee signatures, which is not true.

Kemp’s appearance at the rally for U.S. Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler was in doubt before the tragedy. The Republican has come under increasing attack from Trump, who has said he was “ashamed” to have endorsed him in 2018 and criticized him for refusing to obstruct the certification of Georgia’s election results.

The governor has refrained from swiping back at Trump, saying he shares the president’s “frustration” at the outcome. But he’s repeatedly noted that Georgia law blocks him from “interfering” with the election.

[pritch]

The Washington Post reports that Trump has tried to pressure the Pennsylvania Governor to turn the state's electors votes over to him. His request was declined but the idea has support among some Republican members of the state congress. This is now the third state Trump has contacted to request their electors vote for him against the will of their electorate. He says it's to prevent the Democrats stealing the election. It should be abundantly clear who is trying to steal the election.

[husaberg]

The Washington Post reports that Trump has tried to pressure the Pennsylvania Governor to turn the state's electors votes over to him. His request was declined but the idea has support among some Republican members of the state congress. This is now the third state Trump has contacted to request their electors vote for him against the will of their electorate. He says it's to prevent the Democrats stealing the election. It should be abundantly clear who is trying to steal the election.

Remember how much he admires Putin and lil Kim dong ill
Both are that popular they don't even need elections now.

[mashman]

I am a member of the Saurian/illuminati global society that is secretly controlling everything. You didnt see what you thought you saw. In fact there's nothing to see here. You need to go back and watch another episode of "Who wants to be a Millionaire" Don't miss it.

Oh. Right. Ok then. Glad you got this shit. Time for Fat Eddie.

[husaberg]

Rudis star whitness one is a convicted sex offender
The other well you be the judge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdmn7ujx1aQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMcCyvuc4cg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcTG5UmhL5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7cn4_nSq3w

[Laava]

who's the dead-eyed cunt behind him?
She's his number one fart sniffer. The fart sniffer pursuivant!

[pritch]

She's his number one fart sniffer. The fart sniffer pursuivant!

She is reportedly expanding her repertoire. She recently attended the superspreader White House staff Christmas party. A day or two thereafter told friends she had tested positive for Covid.

I have sympathy for any of the kids present who catch a dose, their parents? Not so much.

https://www.axios.com/jenna-ellis-trump-lawyer-covid-2bab2624-0b25-4f47-a532-079fd2c392da.html

[pritch]

Judge Sullivan has finally put Bill Barr out of his misery and has dismissed the charges against Flynn. Not without some criticism of Barr though.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/michael-flynn/index.html



In other legal news: the Supreme Court has rejected the Republican Party's challenge to Biden's Pennsylvania election win. Trump really had his hopes up for that, having appointed three of the justices himself. He'll be having a coniption about now.

That's their 49th loss in the courts. Currently his "elite" legal team are all laid low with Covid. They should forget their half century and retire hurt.

This morning Trump retweeted this, whatever it is. He will not be a fan of her now, following the Supreme Court killing his plan to overturn the Pennsylvania election.

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/eX_C47qVsyo

[husaberg]

holyshit he's totally lost it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBwQTghCs2A

[Stylo]

Yep. Holy Shit. Houston. We have a problem.

[pritch]

The other day I visited a gun related webste I've been a member of for years but visit only occasionally. The majority of the posters there believe Trump won the election and that the virus is a hoax. The Yanks really need to do something about their"news" media, an increasing amount of which has nothing to do with news.

The Texas application to the Supreme Court should not get a hearing. Texas does not have a dog in the fight, the legal term is "standing." Basically what the complaint is about has nothing to do with Texas. In 2020 though, who knows?

[TheDemonLord]

The Yanks really need to do something about their"news" media, an increasing amount of which has nothing to do with news.

There's a very old story - about a Boy who cried wolf.

The Media in the last 20 years have gone from mostly objective to mostly subjective.

Hell, I can read Guardian and NYT articles from the 2000s that are reasonable and with a slight (but tolerable) left-wing bias, whereas the stuff today is absolute cringe.

[R650R]

The other day I visited a gun related webste I've been a member of for years but visit only occasionally. The majority of the posters there believe Trump won the election and that the virus is a hoax. The Yanks really need to do something about their"news" media, an increasing amount of which has nothing to do with news.

?

ItÂ’s all media world wide including ours has been subverted by leftist operatives. Follow the money...
Or just look at what they publish...
TodayÂ’s media narrative is ;

All white people are racist
All white people only achieved what they did through “privilege”. (Which doesn’t exist)
People with gender dismorphya are normal (prev considered a mental illness)
The world is being destroyed by CO2, but it wonÂ’t be destroyed if you pay cash to bankers for your CO2 emmisions via offsets which is new trees planted and harvested using fossil fuels!!!!
Unvaccinated people are infected vaccinated people with viruses they were vaccinated against.
Guns are bad so we must demonise them
But keep hush about all the knife crime.
Eating meat is bad we must all go vegan
Political correctness
Multitude of option pieces interesecting all the above.

ThatÂ’s pretty much the nightly news there for you and why the Silent Majority donÂ’t watch it anymore.
I grew up with a passion for current affairs and news well before I ended up studying and having Factual articles published.

Trump may be a polarising messenger with a bit of dirty laundry like any politician but his massive support shows the silent majority agrees with his core messages.
He held multiple rallies with huge numbers repeatedly, Biden well really no one bothered to come but somehow he gets more votes????

[mashman]

The Texas application to the Supreme Court should not get a hearing. Texas does not have a dog in the fight, the legal term is "standing." Basically what the complaint is about has nothing to do with Texas. In 2020 though, who knows?

A hand full of states are claimed to have cheated in ways that are more than reasonable to accept as evidence of cheating. Same reason that some other states are joining in i.e. that cheating changed the election results and rendered all other states votes powerless. Yeah, Texas, and the other states, have no dog in the fight :scratch:

[pritch]

A hand full of states are claimed to have cheated in ways that are more than reasonable to accept as evidence of cheating. Same reason that some other states are joining in i.e. that cheating changed the election results and rendered all other states votes powerless. Yeah, Texas, and the other states, have no dog in the fight :scratch:

Ummm I'm having difficulty understanding what you're trying to say.

There has been no evidence of cheating, none, zilch, zero. Even Trump's AG, Barr, said there is no evidence of any fraud that would change an election result. When Giuliani was asked by a judge in court if he was alleging fraud, he clearly said that he was not. That's why they've lost fiffty odd cases in court, they have been unable to produce a single instance of fraud.

Texas (or one politician from Texas?) is trying ot bring a case in the Supreme Court saying that the "battleground states," which Trump lost, had changed their rules to permit absentee voting. He considers their change of rules unconstitutional. The states involved are Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia. You will note that Texas is not one of the states mentioned, Trump won Texas. Texas has no standing, none of what happened in the four states mentioned is any business of Texas. The Supreme Court should show him the fickle finger of fuck off.
:finger:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/texas-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-biden-win-in-last-ditch-election-lawsuit/?sh=2e7e839d34e6

[TheDemonLord]

Ummm I'm having difficulty understanding what you're trying to say.

There has been no evidence of cheating, none, zilch, zero. Even Trump's AG, Barr, said there is no evidence of any fraud that would change an election result. When Giuliani was asked by a judge in court if he was alleging fraud, he clearly said that he was not. That's why they've lost fiffty odd cases in court, they have been unable to produce a single instance of fraud.

Texas (or one politician from Texas?) is trying ot bring a case in the Supreme Court saying that the "battleground states," which Trump lost, had changed their rules to permit absentee voting. He considers their change of rules unconstitutional. The states involved are Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia. You will note that Texas is not one of the states mentioned, Trump won Texas. Texas has no standing, none of what happened in the four states mentioned is any business of Texas. The Supreme Court should show him the fickle finger of fuck off.
:finger:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/texas-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-biden-win-in-last-ditch-election-lawsuit/?sh=2e7e839d34e6

Texas once again showing why it's Texas.

[mashman]

Ummm I'm having difficulty understanding what you're trying to say.

There has been no evidence of cheating, none, zilch, zero. Even Trump's AG, Barr, said there is no evidence of any fraud that would change an election result. When Giuliani was asked by a judge in court if he was alleging fraud, he clearly said that he was not. That's why they've lost fiffty odd cases in court, they have been unable to produce a single instance of fraud.

Texas (or one politician from Texas?) is trying ot bring a case in the Supreme Court saying that the "battleground states," which Trump lost, had changed their rules to permit absentee voting. He considers their change of rules unconstitutional. The states involved are Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia. You will note that Texas is not one of the states mentioned, Trump won Texas. Texas has no standing, none of what happened in the four states mentioned is any business of Texas. The Supreme Court should show him the fickle finger of fuck off.
:finger:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/texas-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-biden-win-in-last-ditch-election-lawsuit/?sh=2e7e839d34e6

There's plenty of evidence. By all means choose not to see it.

Texas gets support from 17 states in bid to help Trump undo election loss (https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-idUSKBN28J1VJ)

"Election law experts have said the Texas lawsuit stands little chance of success and lacks legal merit.".

Elections undecided by midnight are void & preempted by federal law – Foster v Love (1997; 9-0 Decision) (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-07-undecided-election-are-void-and-preempted.html)

Your brain might melt if you actually read and understand this one, but hey, I'm willing to take that chance.

"Consider all of the above in light of the results of the 2020 presidential elections; in Pennsylvania today, two weeks after Election Day, 8000 votes suddenly appeared, and the initial count is still not complete; Arizona has tens of thousands of ballots left to count in the initial canvass; Georgia discovered over 2600 missing votes yesterday, and the entire State is conducting a recount; Wisconsin just announced the details and costs of a forthcoming recount; Michigan is buried in litigation supported by many sworn affidavits alleging irregularities. None of these states consummated their elections on November 3rd. The elections have failed, as a matter of law. The results should be voided."

[pritch]

There's plenty of evidence.


Well, you would think that Trump's "elite strike force" would have thought to have mentioned those things in at least one of the fifty odd court cases that they have lost. They didn't though, and they continued to lose. Which, if you think about it, should tell you something.

[mashman]

Well, you would think that Trump's "elite strike force" would have thought to have mentioned those things in at least one of the fifty odd court cases that they have lost. They didn't though, and they continued to lose. Which, if you think about it, should tell you something.

It tells me many things. One of them being that he wants to Drain the Swamp. Something that is exceptionally popular with tens of millions of people around the world for some odd reason. Which, if you think about it, should tell you something.

[pritch]

It tells me many things. One of them being that he wants to Drain the Swamp. Something that is exceptionally popular with tens of millions of people around the world for some odd reason. Which, if you think about it, should tell you something.

That definitely tells me something, but not about Trump.



On a more sane note this is interesting background on who is bringing the 'insane' Texas court case. The clip featuring George Conway is intereesting.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/opinions/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-election-lawsuit-moore/index.html

[mashman]

On a more sane note this is interesting background on who is bringing the 'insane' Texas court case. The clip featuring George Conway is intereesting.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/opinions/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-election-lawsuit-moore/index.html

"Oltmann claimed he had infiltrated local antifa groups in Colorado, and in September 2020 took part in a telephone conference call. He said during that conversation, he heard a man named Eric speak, and another caller referred to him as “Eric, the Dominion guy.” According to Oltmann, another participant in the call asked “What are we going to do if fucking Trump wins,” to which, according to Oltmann, “Eric” replied “Don’t worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made fucking sure of that. Hahaha.".

They're all bent you silly tit. This is either another big show, the most probable scenario, or it's going to unfold in a way that yuo really aren't going to be comfortable with. Either way I Am sweet... but would much prefer the latter for a change.

[pritch]

"Oltmann claimed he had infiltrated local antifa groups in Colorado, and in September 2020 took part in a telephone conference call. He said during that conversation, he heard a man named Eric speak, and another caller referred to him as “Eric, the Dominion guy.” According to Oltmann, another participant in the call asked “What are we going to do if fucking Trump wins,” to which, according to Oltmann, “Eric” replied “Don’t worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made fucking sure of that. Hahaha.".


That ranks about with the woman who was sure there was corruption becaause the security people would not let her park where she wanted to. They must have been up to no good. Which is only marginally sillier than the Republican observer who thought he saw fraud because "the ballot papers were too clean."

Seventeen states have joined Texas in their court case. None of them have standing either. All seventeen were won by Trump, some by using the same voting system as the four that Biden won.

We'll see...

[TheDemonLord]

Seventeen states have joined Texas in their court case. None of them have standing either.

The States are part of the United States, therefore they have an interest in the outcome of the election. If one state is breaking it's own rules when it comes to Voting, then it disenfranchises all the other states.

[mashman]

That ranks about with the woman who was sure there was corruption becaause the security people would not let her park where she wanted to. They must have been up to no good. Which is only marginally sillier than the Republican observer who thought he saw fraud because "the ballot papers were too clean."

Seventeen states have joined Texas in their court case. None of them have standing either. All seventeen were won by Trump, some by using the same voting system as the four that Biden won.

We'll see...

Well, snopes couldn't prove or disprove it. The CNN tapes that are being released would certainly give credibility to the levels of hatred that would drive some to, say, rig an election if it was withing their capability to do so... but as you say, we'll see.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The States are part of the United States, therefore they have an interest in the outcome of the election. If one state is breaking it's own rules when it comes to Voting, then it disenfranchises all the other states.

what an interesting series of facts

[husaberg]

Well, snopes couldn't prove or disprove it. The CNN tapes that are being released would certainly give credibility to the levels of hatred that would drive some to, say, rig an election if it was withing their capability to do so... but as you say, we'll see.

this is something conspiracy theorists like you constantly struggle to grasp. to have credability.
You actually have to prove something logically within reasonable doubt happened, rather than it was impossible to 100% disprove that it didn't.


what an interesting series of facts

Odd it looked like a gish gallop that avoided the fact that some of these states in which Trump used the same system as they were saying was somehow tampered with.

[TheDemonLord]

Odd it looked like a gish gallop that avoided the fact that some of these states in which Trump used the same system as they were saying was somehow tampered with.

1: It's not a Gish Gallop
2: The allegation being made by the Texas attorney General is that the validation rules as defined by each implicated state's constitutions were abrogated by the Governor, without following the correct legal process.

It's not about the machines.

Texas makes the claim that if other states are allowed to not conform to their own rules as to how they handle their elections, then that unfairly impacts Texas at the Federal level.

As it's part of the united states and is subject to Federal Law, Texas definitely has an interest.

I don't know the strength of the claim being made, that's for the SCOTUS to determine. But as I said in the opening remark - Once again, Texas being Texas.

[testastretta]

"Oltmann claimed he had infiltrated local antifa groups in Colorado, and in September 2020 took part in a telephone conference call. He said during that conversation, he heard a man named Eric speak, and another caller referred to him as “Eric, the Dominion guy.” According to Oltmann, another participant in the call asked “What are we going to do if fucking Trump wins,” to which, according to Oltmann, “Eric” replied “Don’t worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made fucking sure of that. Hahaha.".

They're all bent you silly tit. This is either another big show, the most probable scenario, or it's going to unfold in a way that yuo really aren't going to be comfortable with. Either way I Am sweet... but would much prefer the latter for a change.

There must have been a lot of voters in your electorate with Parkinsons.

[mashman]

There must have been a lot of voters in your electorate with Parkinsons.

What dickhead through yonda winda breaks... Some people know how to separate personality from information.

[testastretta]

What dickhead through yonda winda breaks... Some people know how to separate personality from information.

You mean YOUR disinformation.
Maybe if you run you in the next election you should point prospective votes to the utter shit you post on here.

[mashman]

You mean YOUR disinformation.
Maybe if you run you in the next election you should point prospective votes to the utter shit you post on here.

Disinformation? What, me expecting you to make you're own mind up based on what's taking place against ALL of the evidence available? Fuck off one eyed Jack, you ain't got jack!

[testastretta]

Disinformation? What, me expecting you to make you're own mind up based on what's taking place against ALL of the evidence available? Fuck off one eyed Jack, you ain't got jack!

"your"
Shit for brains.

[pritch]

As it's part of the united states and is subject to Federal Law, Texas definitely has an interest.



There is a Twitter account, 'Bad legal takes.' You could feature regularly.

The US Constitution gives each state sole power over their own elections. There is normally no role for the federal government at all. Similarly, the courts are normally reluctant to intervene. F'rinstance the 9-0, one sentence fuck off, the last approach to SCOTUS got, a day or so ago.

Logically speaking this Texan idiocy should get the same treatment. Texas AG Paxton is probably only fishing for a pardon from Trump anyway. Paxton has his own problems with the law.

Anyhoo Trump has now announced he wants to join "the big one". The more the merrier. All aboard the Trump train to nowhere. (Fingers crossed.)

[mashman]

"your"
Shit for brains.

So you've got nothing but picking out bad grandma eh. There's probably a fallacy, more like phalluscy, to describe you're approach for having nothing.

[testastretta]

So you've got nothing but picking out bad grandma eh. There's probably a fallacy, more like phalluscy, to describe you're approach for having nothing.

Ok. I admit it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist nut job who thinks that lots of random bullshit stories of election fraud is equal to something.
I hate the far left as much as I hate the far right. But the stupidity of Trump supporters who believe the election was rigged do so only because the fat orange cunt has been brainwashing them about it for years.

[mashman]

Ok. I admit it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist nut job who thinks that lots of random bullshit stories of election fraud is equal to something.
I hate the far left as much as I hate the far right. But the stupidity of Trump supporters who believe the election was rigged do so only because the fat orange cunt has been brainwashing them about it for years.

Not a conspiracy theorist eh. Nooooo, ya don't say. There is more than enough evidence for fraud to be investigated. The Will, for a great many reasons (not good ones), isn't.
Only? I reckon yer sellin' some folks short there pard... but hey, I love broad brush strokes.

[testastretta]

Not a conspiracy theorist eh. Nooooo, ya don't say. There is more than enough evidence for fraud to be investigated. The Will, for a great many reasons (not good ones), isn't.
Only? I reckon yer sellin' some folks short there pard... but hey, I love broad brush strokes.

Show me one bit of evidence of fraud substantial enough that it would have changed the outcome of the election. And dont include that last 2 week old link you posted (blah blah blah Sidney Powell blah blah Dominion vote switching China Venezuela wank wank.

[husaberg]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WiltedHauntingBluefintuna-max-14mb.gif

[mashman]

Show me one bit of evidence of fraud substantial enough that it would have changed the outcome of the election. And dont include that last 2 week old link you posted (blah blah blah Sidney Powell blah blah Dominion vote switching China Venezuela wank wank.

Substantial enough to have changed the outcome. No one bit, no. Taking the affidavits of officials who were there and were being prevented from witnessing what was taking place around a software system that could easily be changed sure lands a feckin' huge question mark over the validity of some results though. Alas, it's going to the big big caught for a judgement... then we can all go home for tea.

[testastretta]

Substantial enough to have changed the outcome. No one bit, no. Taking the affidavits of officials who were there and were being prevented from witnessing what was taking place around a software system that could easily be changed sure lands a feckin' huge question mark over the validity of some results though. Alas, it's going to the big big caught for a judgement... then we can all go home for tea.

Yeah thought so. You ain't got jack. Jack!
Rudy's waiting for your call. He may sound a bit "croaky" but.

[F5 Dave]

Just accept that a higher power is able to look over us and decide the outcome for us all.

Our thoughts and prayers will overcome the devilish Democrats and their baby eating lust of the flesh.

DJT will ascend to the heavens to replace Jesus as the almighties right hand.

Woe and betide the non believers.

[mashman]

Yeah thought so. You ain't got jack. Jack!
Rudy's waiting for your call. He may sound a bit "croaky" but.

Actually I posted reference to sworn testimony of obstruction. You posted jack.
Too much commy cock.

[mashman]

Just accept that a higher power is able to look over us and decide the outcome for us all.

Our thoughts and prayers will overcome the devilish Democrats and their baby eating lust of the flesh.

DJT will ascend to the heavens to replace Jesus as the almighties right hand.

Woe and betide the non believers.

The concept of Free Will states otherwise... somewhat ironically, a creation of the Creation.

Yeah, ya see Trumps point is that it isn't just the Democrats.

That would be an interesting change of management.

Why would the Creation hurt itself by punishing people for something that is, in the grand scale of the Creation, all but irrelevant?... obviously that supposes that very little exists outside of our little blue ball, but hey, even that evidence gets past joe public. Bring on the aliens!

[husaberg]

Actually I posted reference to sworn testimony of obstruction. You posted jack.
Too much commy cock.

yeah all those affidavits....we have seen them before.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michigan--poll-watcher-affidavits/2020/11/11/4d073d7a-2447-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html


Instead, the campaign produced 238 pages of affidavits from Republican poll watchers across Michigan containing no evidence of significant fraud but rather allegations about ballot-counting procedures that state workers have already debunked — and in some cases, complaints about rude behavior or unpleasant looks from poll workers or Democratic poll watchers.

[pritch]

Taking the affidavits of officials who were there and were being prevented from witnessing what was taking place around a software system that could easily be changed sure lands a feckin' huge question mark over the validity of some results though.

That is basically shite for the brainwashed MAGAts. It just didn't happen. If Rudy & Co could substantiate any of that they would have produced it as evidence in court. They didn't. They have hundreds or thousands of afidavits, all of which add up to a big fat zero.

The Republican observers were offered a walk through of the various facilities to show them how they functioned prior to the election. Very few availed themselves of the oportunity. So there they were "observing" something they knew nothing about, but being there to spot anomolies they spotted them. Whether they were there or not. Sorta like TDL does.

Thus we get absurdities like the suitcases being hauled out from under a desk and being counted after the observers were told to leave. Anybody who was sucked in by that is a few sheep short in the top paddock. Sadly we do have them here on KB.

[testastretta]

Actually I posted reference to sworn testimony of obstruction. You posted jack.
Too much commy cock.

You want me to post proof of Bidens' win? Ok. All 50 States will have certified their States election results and next week the electoral college will name Biden as the 46th President.
Of course all these sworn affidavits and testimonies are from fine upstanding non-partisan people with no hidden agenda who would never lie under oath.
Commy(sp) cock. Farking funny!
Not saying that I am against them but how does this sit with you?
https://time.com/5918994/federal-executions-trump-adminstration/

[F5 Dave]

If the Democrats had that much power and control despite at election time not being in power: why the fuck did they not choose to win the last time?

Answer that fuckheads.

[1/32 man]

So the Dems rigged the election but let Mitch McConnell win?

Come on !

[mashman]

That is basically shite for the brainwashed MAGAts. It just didn't happen. If Rudy & Co could substantiate any of that they would have produced it as evidence in court. They didn't. They have hundreds or thousands of afidavits all of which add up to a big fat zero.

The Republican observers were offered a walk through of the various facilities to show them how they functioned prior to the election. Very few availed themselves of the oportunity. So there they were "observing" something they kew nothing about, but being there to spot anomolies they spotted them. Whether they were there or not. Sorta like TDL does.

Thus we get absurdities like the suitcases being hauled out from under a desk and being counted after the observers were told to leave. Anybody who was sucked in by that is a few sheep short in the top paddock. Sadly we do have them here on KB.

Yup, sworn testimony ignored, just coz it doesn't highlight the potential that fraud was taking place. Seems pretty fucking odd to me, but hey.

You can miss the "walk through" and still know the rules. Some bullshit is just that. They were also accosted, removed illegally, had their views blocked from what was taking place whilst they were the approved distance away, and various other little ditties that the courts don't seem to think matter enough to show that something was amiss. Could have simply been a partisan crowd getting a little pissy, although those who knew the rules and had their view blocked etc... tut tut.

I can definitely accept that there's a legit purpose for the boxes being stashed under the table... but I can also accept that the ballots in those "cases" were dodgy given the parties involved. Anyone who has to take one side over the other it truly rubbing themselves too much.

[R650R]

If the Democrats had that much power and control despite at election time not being in power: why the fuck did they not choose to win the last time?

Answer that fuckheads.

Hubris, that’s why...

Hillary shot herself in foot with her deplorables comment and I’ll health at times.
Hillary has nothing g to sell.
Donald had a great deal going on a low mileage American Dream sitting on his lot, and he took the time to talk to every day people not just the rich...

[pritch]

I can definitely accept that there's a legit purpose for the boxes being stashed under the table... but I can also accept that the ballots in those "cases" were dodgy given the parties involved. Anyone who has to take one side over the other it truly rubbing themselves too much.

Somebody posted that on here as a smoking gun. It turned out to be total bullshit of course. They weren't suitcases, they were the normal container they used. They were not being counted, they had already been counted, they were being scanned. According to the officials the observers had left of their own volition, they had not been told to leave. There was nothig shady it was just business as usual. It gave somebody a moments excitement though.

[mashman]

You want me to post proof of Bidens' win? Ok. All 50 States will have certified their States election results and next week the electoral college will name Biden as the 46th President.
Of course all these sworn affidavits and testimonies are from fine upstanding non-partisan people with no hidden agenda who would never lie under oath.
Commy(sp) cock. Farking funny!
Not saying that I am against them but how does this sit with you?
https://time.com/5918994/federal-executions-trump-adminstration/

And therein lies the rub. Where they lying, partisan or otherwise, or did the courts realise the gravity of the accusations being made and fold like a rice-paper tent in a monsoon simply to prevent having to face that gravity?
The reds under the bed rhetoric is what sets off little alarm bells in my rainbow pony world... coz it garners support from those who aren't really trying to present an argument but ride someone else's gravy train.
I was expecting something else... but that does seem a little illegal.

[mashman]

Somebody posted that on here as a smoking gun. It turned out to be total bullshit of course. They weren't suitcases, they were the normal container they used. They were not being counted, they had already been counted, they were being scanned. According to the officials the observers had left of their own volition, they had not been told to leave. There was nothig shady it was just business as usual. It gave somebody a moments excitement though.

I already pointed out that they were ballot boxes. You have said those things before. It's still a smoking gun. Always will be given the lies and deceit taking place.

[pritch]

You have said those things before.

They don't seem to be sinking in.

[mashman]

Somebody posted that on here as a smoking gun. It turned out to be total bullshit of course. They weren't suitcases, they were the normal container they used. They were not being counted, they had already been counted, they were being scanned. According to the officials the observers had left of their own volition, they had not been told to leave. There was nothig shady it was just business as usual. It gave somebody a moments excitement though.

The version I saw was that they had been opened and but counted, and then dragged out and scanned as if they had been counted. An honest mistake that an investigation would have found. However the one question I can't find an answer for is: IF they were scanned and not counted, would 4 "cases" of opened but uncounted ballots potentially have an effect on the tally's reported as per Miss Feistypants testimony?

[mashman]

They don't seem to be sinking in.

There's still something smoking that I cannae find an answer for... but hey, no one saw any wrong doing and so has investigated no further. No wrong doing if the count was adjusted accordingly. If not, then not so much.

[TheDemonLord]

There is a Twitter account, 'Bad legal takes.' You could feature regularly.

The US Constitution gives each state sole power over their own elections. There is normally no role for the federal government at all.

Yes, but also No.

Yes that each state has a large degree of autonomy to conduct elections how it sees fit.

No that each state can't infringe upon an individuals right to vote (15th amendment).

Hence each state has it's own constitution which defines how Voting will take place and it's here that Texas alleges the other States didn't follow their own rules, in doing so they are infringing on everyone elses voting rights (by making it an uneven playing field).

We'll see what the outcome is - as I said, Texas being Texas.

[nerrrd]

Texas being only one of 50 states, despite how they may see themselves.

I’m really starting to think a managed break up of the United States might be the best solution here.

[TheDemonLord]

Texas being only one of 50 states, despite how they may see themselves.

I’m really starting to think a managed break up of the United States might be the best solution here.

The Great State of Texas doesn't disagree...

[pritch]

Rush Limbaugh is suggesting that the red states should secede from the union. That's not super smart. The red states are all welfare queens, it's only the money from the blue states than keeps them afloat. On their own they'd probaly last about a week?

Another batch of court cases have failed bringing the total to 55. So much losing.

[Banditbandit]

So the Dems rigged the election but let Mitch McConnell win?

Come on !

Yes - that's basically the claim ...

Moscow Mitch controls the Senate - and with him controlling the senate Biden will have a hard job getting anything done.

If the dems really could rig the election why did they let Moscow Mitch win? A small job - in a state - to change that election and get him voted out ..

But none of Trump's supporters will acknowledge that - let alone respond.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes - that's basically the claim ...

Moscow Mitch controls the Senate - and with him controlling the senate Biden will have a hard job getting anything done.

If the dems really could rig the election why did they let Moscow Mitch win? A small job - in a state - to change that election and get him voted out ..

But none of Trump's supporters will acknowledge that - let alone respond.

Unless your only focus was to ensure a Biden victory and didn't care about anything else...

[pritch]

Moscow Mitch controls the Senate - and with him controlling the senate Biden will have a hard job getting anything done.


True. Unless The Democrats can win both of the Georgia Senate seats, then they'll control it.

There has been some interesting discussion about Senate rules of late. Nobody much has been paying attention to these, but because of the current situation there is keen interest in some quarters.

The US Vice President is the president of the Senate. Apparently the rules say something along the lines "If the Vice president is not available" the majority leader takes over. If the Vice Predsident was to make herself available she would control the house. Apparently the current arrangement where the majority leader runs proceedings has been in operation since 1937, but it is not written in stone.

The Democrats are seemingly not very good at politics, and their current leadership is positively ancient. Both Feinstein and Pelosi must be clocking ninety, Biden is 78, they really need more active and aggressive people running things.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Unless your only focus was to ensure a Biden victory and didn't care about anything else...

are we not giving way to much credit to the ability of any group to control the outcome of an election involving 150+ million voters?

The Republicans are trying very hard to overturn things, (I actually have no issue with the concept of legally challenging election results) but those efforts very much remind me of the phrase that talks about piss ups and breweries. They just cannot get their shit sorted.
Conspiracy on the scale they are ranting about is simply not possible, if for no other reason than it involves human beings.

Slight tangent but I am fascinated by the USA's system, the founding fathers were so concerned with putting checks and balances in place they have designed a system whereby precisely nothing happens, unless you have money and lots of it of course.

[mashman]

True. Unless The Democrats can win both of the Georgia Senate seats, then they'll control it.

There has been some interesting discussion about Senate rules of late. Nobody much has been paying attention to these, but because of the current situation there is keen interest in some quarters.

The US Vice President is the president of the Senate. Apparently the rules say something along the lines "If the Vice president is not available" the majority leader takes over. If the Vice Predsident was to make herself available she would control the house. Apparently the current arrangement where the majority leader runs proceedings has been in operation since 1937, but it is not written in stone.

The Democrats are seemingly not very good at politics, and their current leadership is positively ancient. Both Feinstein and Pelosi must be clocking ninety, Biden is 78, they really need more active and aggressive people running things.

"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President,"

All Pence has to do is give his interpretation of the result... coz Pence is the President of the Senate. And if the Supreme Court isn't interested in election fraud, having only recently set a precedent, so there will be no change in President at the very least. Spectacular fun and games.

[pritch]

And if the Supreme Court isn't interested in election fraud, having only recently set a precedent, .

With the exception of "original jurisdiction," and I have only a vague idea what that even means, and no understandng of how it applies in this instance, SCOTUS does not usually get involved in disputes between states.

The exceptions under original jurisdiction usually relate to border disputes or water rights. Say one state wanted to dam a river upstream of another state that needs the water for irrigation or whatever.

Most lawyers commenting say the Court will not even hear this case because it is truly absurd.

This is George Conway a lawyer, husband of Kellyanne Conway senior advisor to Trump, she of the "alternate facts". He is normally a conservative Republican but he is no fan of Trump.
The whole clip is interesting, but if you just want to see what he has to say about the Texas case it kicks off just after the 5.00 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXJrjPwuBEk

[Kickaha]

I’m really starting to think a managed break up of the United States might be the best solution here.


Rush Limbaugh is suggesting that the red states should secede from the union.

How well did that go last time they tried anything like it ?

[husaberg]

How well did that go last time they tried anything like it ?

that might be why trump wanted a southern wall to stop Mexico from attacking texas as well at the same time.

[pritch]

There is a website which has available the various submissions to the Supreme Court. I was funny, this morning there were six entries, by dinner the number had doubled.

The lawyer representing Trump is a birtherism type. No, not Obama. He tried to say Kamala Harris was not born in the USA. He was shemed into obscurity until emerging now to represent Trump.

A lawyer commenting on the various papers observed that the opening paragraphs of Pennsylvania's reponse "sing". The writer does make his point well..



PRELIMINARY STATEMENT

Since Election Day, State and Federal courts throughout the country have been flooded with frivolous lawsuits aimed at disenfranchising large swaths of voters and undermining the legitimacy of the election. The State of Texas has now added its voice to the cacophony of bogus claims. Texas seeks to invalidate elections in four states for yielding results with which it disagrees. Its request for this Court to exercise its original jurisdiction and then anoint Texas’s preferred candidate for President is legally indefensible and is an afront to principles of constitutional democracy.

What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts. It attempts to exploit this Court’s sparingly used original jurisdiction to relitigate those matters. But Texas obviously lacks standing to bring such claims, which, in any event, are barred by laches, and are moot, meritless, and dangerous. Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections. Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court. Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.




Anyhoo, if you want to read more, fill yer boots.

https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/texas-scotus-decertification-challenge/

[husaberg]

judging by the results of the last few elections the Democrats will take Texas in the next election

2020
GOP
DONALD TRUMP
52%
5,890,347

DEM
JOE BIDEN
46.5%
5,259,126



2016
REP
TRUMP
52.5%
4,685,047

DEM
CLINTON
43.5%
3,877,868



2012
REP
ROMNEY
57.2%
4,569,843

DEM
OBAMA
41.4%
3,308,124

Texas covid cases 1.390,000 case this far.

23,754 deaths 1,245 deaths this last week.

[pritch]

We had already raised the possibility that Paxton might be fishing for a pardon. Rachel Maddow seems to think so too.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

[pritch]

Reuters are reporting that the US Supreme Court has rejected the Texas/Trump action challenging Biden's win in the four states.

That really should be the end for Trump. Unless he calls for armed insurrection of course. He's crazy enough.

[husaberg]

Bahahahaha


The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections,” the Court wrote. “All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.”

No justice publicly dissented from that conclusion.
The Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority and three justices he appointed. The third of those appointees, Amy Coney Barrett, was rushed through the Senate confirmation process with Trump saying her vote would be needed to resolve any election disputes.

Trump and Republicans in seven states have so far filed nearly 60 lawsuits to challenge election procedures, but not a single outcome was changed.
December 8 was the deadline for states to resolve election disputes and certify it's election results before the Electoral College meets Monday.

[pritch]

Interesting that it was denied because Texas lacked 'standing'. Almost everybody (except TDL) understood that. Texas were basically appealing to the court because they didn't like the election result in four other states. None of their business. And that was what the court decided.

All those legal filings must have been like a Lotto win for some lawyers. Not Trump's, he often doesn't pay.

I trust Texas Attorney General Paxton dined well at the White house last night. It's unlikely he'll be invited back. If he didn't arrange a pardon while he was there, his chances of getting one just diminished drastically.

Trump said this was "the big one" his plan right from the start had been to go to 'his' Supreme Court if he lost the election. He has tried twice, and twice he failed.

He should just fuck off to Mar A Lardo, it'd give them time to decontaminate the White House before the Bidens move in.

[pritch]

So how is the news affecting MAGAts? They are sooooo fucking stupid.

[husaberg]

Interesting that it was denied because Texas lacked 'standing'. Almost everybody (except TDL) understood that. .

Pritch you are forgetting that TDLR already has claimed to know more than the US supreme court as well as the US federal courts.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185771-Free-speech?p=1131109834#post1131109834
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185625-Tommy-Robinson?p=1131118602&highlight=supreme+court#post1131118602

[pritch]

Guess who is packing a sad?

[husaberg]

https://i.imgur.com/zz1MZV5.gif

no fear blame your own attorney general...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DFfMLTMfg

[mashman]

With the exception of "original jurisdiction," and I have only a vague idea what that even means, and no understandng of how it applies in this instance, SCOTUS does not usually get involved in disputes between states.

The exceptions under original jurisdiction usually relate to border disputes or water rights. Say one state wanted to dam a river upstream of another state that needs the water for irrigation or whatever.

Most lawyers commenting say the Court will not even hear this case because it is truly absurd.

This is George Conway a lawyer, husband of Kellyanne Conway senior advisor to Trump, she of the "alternate facts". He is normally a conservative Republican but he is no fan of Trump.
The whole clip is interesting, but if you just want to see what he has to say about the Texas case it kicks off just after the 5.00 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXJrjPwuBEk

I think the fella in the vid alluded to "original jurisdiction" as being anything non-federal? Either way they're testing the constitution, and that requires a court of law to defend it.

Yeah the insurrection shit gives me the willies for a few reasons, and Trump ain't alone in that shout. I have mixed feelings about such being applied, but if the Supreme Court won't hear constitutional issues, no matter how churlish they may seem, then what other option is there?... especially were rolling over isn't an option. There's a lot at stake on all sides, but as they say, the first casualty of war is the truth... and were they're all as dodgy as feck to begin with, errr. Where's Wonder Woman and her lasoo when ya need it. And whatever happened to using a polygraph.

[Stylo]

I think the fella in the vid alluded to "original jurisdiction" as being anything non-federal? Either way they're testing the constitution, and that requires a court of law to defend it.

Yeah the insurrection shit gives me the willies for a few reasons, and Trump ain't alone in that shout. I have mixed feelings about such being applied, but if the Supreme Court won't hear constitutional issues, no matter how churlish they may seem, then what other option is there?... especially were rolling over isn't an option. There's a lot at stake on all sides, but as they say, the first casualty of war is the truth... and were they're all as dodgy as feck to begin with, errr. Where's Wonder Woman and her lasoo when ya need it. And whatever happened to using a polygraph.

Pack your bags Donald.... If Fox reports it first, it can't be good for you..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0dVoT0BqC8&t=427s

[pritch]

if the Supreme Court won't hear constitutional issues, no matter how churlish they may seem, then what other option is there?...

You seem to have missed the point. The Supreme Court deals with the law. The inane babblings of idiots, or of people with an interest in overthrowing the duly elected government, with no basis in law, are more the province of mental institutions. Which, by a remarkable coincidence, is where Trump (and a significant percentage of his supporters) may well end up.

[pritch]

This makes sense.

[pritch]

Biden and Harris won TIME person of the year. That probably pissed Trump off, he would have liked that to go with his (imaginary) "Noble" prizes.

He did win one though, he won Loser of the Year from Europes biggest magazine. I guess you can't lose sixty odd court cases, and counting, without somebody noticing.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/der-spiegel-trump-loser-of-the-year_n_5fd3f66cc5b663c37596977a

[mashman]

You seem to have missed the point. The Supreme Court deals with the law. The inane babblings of idiots, or of people with an interest in overthrowing the duly elected government, with no basis in law, are more the province of mental institutions. Which, by a remarkable coincidence, is where Trump (and a significant percentage of his supporters) may well end up.

Constitutional Law is a thing man.

[husaberg]

Biden and Harris won TIME person of the year. That probably pissed Trump off, he would have liked that to go with his (imaginary) "Noble" prizes.

He did win one though, he won Loser of the Year from Europes biggest magazine. I guess you can't lose sixty odd court cases, and counting, without somebody noticing.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/der-spiegel-trump-loser-of-the-year_n_5fd3f66cc5b663c37596977a
“Could you imagine if I lose? My whole life, what am I going to do? I’m going to say, ‘I lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics.’ I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTAT6MqEnj0

[SaferRides]

The real worry is how many Republicans supported the Texas lawsuit. It is difficult to believe that anyone could think the legal action had any chance of succeeding.

We could well be looking at the end of democracy in the US in the next 4 years if the Republican leadership continues to support Trump and do whatever it takes to get him "reelected".

[nerrrd]

How well did that go last time they tried anything like it ?

I’m not suggesting they should have another civil war. More along the lines of “if you love someone, let them go”. Who knows, after a decade or two under the Great Leader they might want to come back.

President Trump and his supporters though have painted themselves into a corner. I don’t understand it from way over here, but if they truly believe what they’re saying they won’t be able to back down, despite what the courts say. If they are, in fact, operating purely on the basis of self interest and expediency, then it’s all good, they will back down, it’s the best option now.

On a side note, witches everwhere will be relieved the “everybody knows...” argument is still a discredited legal strategy in most modern courts.

[pritch]

Constitutional Law is a thing man.

Absolutely, and if there had been a constitutional law issue the court would have at least heard it. There wasn't, there was nothing.

Trump is mistaken in that clip of husaberg's. He is not running against the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics. Hillary Clinton did that.

Another Trump comment in that clip was Trump accusing Biden of enriching himself while in office. That's the same Trump who has raised over 200 million "to assist with his legal fight".
Although if you read the small print a different picture emerges. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQECJXji7Ys

Parler, the new right wing alternative to Twitter, is full of batshit crazy reaction to the courts finding. I'm thinking of joining just to have a laugh. I see that some Democrat politicians are visiting, probably a good idea. There are calls for "Marshall law" to the extent that it's trending. Most MAGAts can't spell the word 'you're' so 'martial' is definitely going to be too tough.

[mashman]

Absolutely, and if there had been a constitutional law issue the court would have at least heard it. There wasn't, there was nothing.

Trump is mistaken in that clip of husaberg's. He is not running against the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics. Hillary Clinton did that.

Another Trump comment in that clip was Trump accusing Biden of enriching himself while in office. That's the same Trump who has raised over 200 million "to assist with his legal fight".
Although if you read the small print a different picture emerges. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQECJXji7Ys

Parler, the new right wing alternative to Twitter, is full of batshit crazy reaction to the courts finding. I'm thinking of joining just to have a laugh. I see that some Democrat politicians are visiting, probably a good idea. There are calls for "Marshall law" to the extent that it's trending. Most MAGAts can't spell the word 'you're' so 'martial' is definitely going to be too tough.

And indeed that is what the court decided.

I haven't read anything that berkboy has posted for years.

They've all done it and will do it until it stops... or to be more accurate, until it is stopped.

I've yet to have a wee trawl with regards to what those who think the constitution has been ignored are spitting feathers over. It's a lovely part of the day when I do though, because they aren't falling over themselves to bag the supporters of their preferred villain, just the villains. Then I come here (t'other way around today) and lmao at some of the shit you dipshits post that's ground in the derision of supporters and the glorification of Trump not getting in. The court thinks that the President of the United States is taking the piss. He may well be doing that very thing, but as the Supreme Court didn't throw a charge of Treason at Trump (he's fucking with the entire country, and the Dems merely wanted impeachment coz unproven Russians and fuck we got 4 year story out of that) at the same time as they dismissed what was being put before them (trite legal bollocks don't count), so I see the Court as highly likely being a part of the Swamp that needs draining. Anyhoo... off to find the great and average minds.

[SaferRides]

I've been on a US motorbike forum for over 10 years and they do seem like a great bunch of guys. The mods keep a tight lid on political discussions, but every now and something slips through and it's obvious that most of them do believe what they hear on Fox News.

I'd say what Trump has done is validate what many people already believed, e.g. that the communists are taking over the cities. But the claims about stealing the election have taken it to a whole new and dangerous level.

I doubt Trump has the attention span to wait for the next election and may have some major personal issues to deal with anyway. But who knows where all of this could end - he has a lot of support.

[husaberg]

Constitutional Law is a thing man.

funny because Law requires evidence of wrongdoing.........

[TheDemonLord]

are we not giving way to much credit to the ability of any group to control the outcome of an election involving 150+ million voters?

Not really, with the way the US electoral college is structured, you only need a small number of votes (relative to the overall total) in certain key states to change the outcome.


The Republicans are trying very hard to overturn things, (I actually have no issue with the concept of legally challenging election results) but those efforts very much remind me of the phrase that talks about piss ups and breweries. They just cannot get their shit sorted.
Conspiracy on the scale they are ranting about is simply not possible, if for no other reason than it involves human beings.

Slight tangent but I am fascinated by the USA's system, the founding fathers were so concerned with putting checks and balances in place they have designed a system whereby precisely nothing happens, unless you have money and lots of it of course.

There's a balance there (and I'll hear anyone that wants to raise the argument that the balance is heavily skewed atm), that if you wish to mount a challenge, you have to have a vested interest in both winning and loosing. Imagine a system where anyone could lodge a protest or a case without any requirement for an input on their part, people would do just that. So certainly having some barrier to entry of 'If you are so sure of your legal position, pony up the cash and be prepared to loose it' seems on one sense reasonable.

on the other hand (as I intimated above) - The US system has skewed too hard IMO towards those who do have the cash - to the point where Lawsuits can be dragged out until the opposite party runs out of funds to continue.

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting that it was denied because Texas lacked 'standing'. Almost everybody (except TDL) understood that. Texas were basically appealing to the court because they didn't like the election result in four other states. None of their business. And that was what the court decided.

So what do you do about the evidence that Texas raised, regardless of standing, that the other states didn't follow their own Constitutions.

The best thing to do would be to hear that evidence and if it isn't true, provide a sound rebuttal.

By refusing to hear what was raised, on what many would consider a technicality (or worse a differing opinion), that may have consequences.

[TheDemonLord]

Biden and Harris won TIME person of the year.

For what accomplishment?










but I digress, Time's person of the year has been a farce and irrelevancy for many years now.

[pritch]

So what do you do about the evidence that Texas raised, regardless of standing, that the other states didn't follow their own Constitutions.

The best thing to do would be to hear that evidence and if it isn't true, provide a sound rebuttal.

By refusing to hear what was raised, on what many would consider a technicality (or worse a differing opinion), that may have consequences.


Regardless of standing? That's like saying regardless of reality. The Supreme court decided 7-2 against hearing the case.
Do you consider you know more than than the seven Justices who voted against? The seven included all three of Trumps appointees IIRC.

Also, you are using the word "evidence" very loosely.

[TheDemonLord]

Regardless of standing? That's like saying regardless of reality. The Supreme court decided 7-2 against hearing the case.
Do you consider you know more than than the seven Justices who voted against? The seven included all three of Trumps appointees IIRC.

Also, you are using the word "evidence" very loosely.

From a Legal Standpoint, they've made their decision and I've said that I'll defer to it.

but I'm not talking about the Legal standpoint here - I'm talking about people who will see this and follow this line of logic:

- We tried at the Soap Box and were censured
- We tried at the Ballot Box and were cheated
- We tried at the Jury Box and were dismissed
- That leaves us with just the Ammo Box left

Whereas, if the court heard the case, heard the evidence and published the strong rebuttal, not a dismissal - but showed why the claim wasn't correct, people referenced above might not feel that they have only a single course of action left.

[pritch]

From a Legal Standpoint, they've made their decision and I've said that I'll defer to it.

but I'm not talking about the Legal standpoint here - I'm talking about people who will see this and follow this line of logic:

- We tried at the Soap Box and were censured
- We tried at the Ballot Box and were cheated
- We tried at the Jury Box and were dismissed
- That leaves us with just the Ammo Box left

Whereas, if the court heard the case, heard the evidence and published the strong rebuttal, not a dismissal - but showed why the claim wasn't correct, people referenced above might not feel that they have only a single course of action left.

OK that's fair enough as far as it goes but... The people of whom you write have been brainwashed. And no, i'm not using that word loosely.

They only trust their sources, Fox, OAN, Newsmax and Sinclair. They will only consider evidence from trusted sources and currently even Fox is somewhat on the outer. They have already decided, and are being told by the White House press secretary, that the Supreme Court is corrupt.

These people need to be deprogrammed, but as soon as a trusted source tries, they wil no longer be a trusted source. It's a serious problem, I'm not sure anybody has the answer.

There was a US law said news coverage had to be fair, but Reagan repealed that. A first step would be to bring that law back and stop the insane nonsense that currently poses as news being broadcast. Closing Trump's Twitter account would be a small but useful step too, but currently it brings in too much money.

[TheDemonLord]

OK that's fair enough as far as it goes but... The people of whom you write have been brainwashed. And no, i'm not using that word loosely.

They only trust their sources, Fox, OAN, Newsmax and Sinclair. They will only consider evidence from trusted sources and currently even Fox is somewhat on the outer. They have already decided, and are being told by the White House press secretary, that the Supreme Court is corrupt.

These people need to be deprogrammed, but as soon as a trusted source tries, they wil no longer be a trusted source. It's a serious problem, I'm not sure anybody has the answer.

There was a US law said news coverage had to be fair, but Reagan repealed that. A first step would be to bring that law back and stop the insane nonsense that currently poses as news being broadcast. Closing Trump's Twitter account would be a small but useful step too, but currently it brings in too much money.

The solution is actually quite simple:

Stop the censuring and 'fact checking' on Social Media.

Each platform states that they believe that the integrity of the System is strong enough to withstand any critique and so it will support open discussion, without limits.

The institution(s) need to stop dismissing people's concerns about this election and engage with them seriously. I still have a number of issues for which the explanation is weak or otherwise not convincing.

The Evidence needs to be heard publicly and the rebuttals heard publicly.

If an Election is to be open and honest, then every part of it needs to be open and honest - telling people there's no cause for concern and to shut-up and accept the result you bigots is never going to work.

[husaberg]

There was a US law said news coverage had to be fair, but Reagan repealed that. A first step would be to bring that law back and stop the insane nonsense that currently poses as news being broadcast. Closing Trump's Twitter account would be a small but useful step too, but currently it brings in too much money.

For sure The US media is not as tightly controlled as almost any other place in regards to having to prove what they say is actually factual nor not made up crap, but social media has no such limits.
that's why crap like alex jones and the other televangelists peddling stupid religions were able to flourish unfettered when it's so easily debunked
Fox and Russia today are ridiculous. Yet even Fox is now close to being not right enough for Trump supporters.
For anyone to suggest that anyone should be able to knowingly distribute false information on any media source is frankly idiotic.
especially when the social media companies have the right to decide to censure or remove what is posted on the sites they own.

Note the only people that tend to object to the media having to have to back up what they say as being factual, are the right wing parties..........
Anyone would think they want to use $$$$$$ to spread lies or something........

[pritch]

The solution is actually quite simple:

Stop the censuring and 'fact checking' on Social Media.

Each platform states that they believe that the integrity of the System is strong enough to withstand any critique and so it will support open discussion, without limits.

The institution(s) need to stop dismissing people's concerns about this election and engage with them seriously. I still have a number of issues for which the explanation is weak or otherwise not convincing.

The Evidence needs to be heard publicly and the rebuttals heard publicly.

If an Election is to be open and honest, then every part of it needs to be open and honest - telling people there's no cause for concern and to shut-up and accept the result you bigots is never going to work.


Sorry that's all complete nonsense! No sane person has much in the way of concerns, voter fraud in the USA is so rare as to be almost non-existent.

Nobody needs to listen to the inane rambings of imbeciles (or to people fishing for a pardon).

May I respectfully suggest you report for deprogramming? :doctor:

[Viking01]

Did I happen to miss something today ? Did the Electoral College vote today, and in a wild card decision, elect Bill (instead of Joe) ? :blink:

https://www.rt.com/usa/509561-bill-gates-covid19/

[husaberg]

https://youtu.be/wzSBbruU2CA?t=51
Worth a watch.

Democracy comes first
You can claim to love America and hate democracy.
The people chose Joe Biden. It wasn't even close.
You can be angry trump lost, but there is no evidence of voter fraud.
you cant throw out votes because you don't like when you lose.
What matters most in this country is what the voters chose.

[TheDemonLord]

Sorry that's all complete nonsense! No sane person has much in the way of concerns, voter fraud in the USA is so rare as to be almost non-existent.

Nobody needs to listen to the inane rambings of imbeciles (or to people fishing for a pardon).

May I respectfully suggest you report for deprogramming? :doctor:

'The more you try and tighten your grip, the more will slip through your fingers'

The only way through is to have open dialogue. If you try and censure it, the people affected will be unconditionally convinced that you are trying to hide something.


Let the Imbeciles and the people fishing speak, then let the responses be heard also. Either all they have is baseless, unfounded accusations - at which point it should be easy to refute, or there is a kernel of truth that needs to be dug out and seriously addressed.

In either case, it is the ONLY way.

[pritch]

Did I happen to miss something today ? Did the Electoral College vote today, and in a wild card decision, elect Bill (instead of Joe) ? :blink:

https://www.rt.com/usa/509561-bill-gates-covid19/

Yes. Today is TDL's big day. Of course when it doesn't turn out as he expected, I fully expect he will come up with a new event of critical significance.

Normally in the US the Electoral College is not a news event at all, today is different with news organisations offering live updates. One Republican politician in Michigan broadcast threats of physical violence on radio. He has been disciplined, but nothing too drastic.

Stephen Miller, Senior advisor to the president , has said some states will submit 'alternate electors'. That fits with this administration's 'alternate facts'. Miller is a vary rare employee in Trump's administration, he is one of very few remaining that were there at the beginning.

Meanwhile, we can but watch and wait.

[pritch]

As the Electoral College voting works its way from east to west across the time zones the process seems to be working as it should. The states where Trump has been trying anything and everything to get the will of the people overturned: Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Georgia, have all voted Biden/Harris.

There may be some angry tweets later in the day.

[Boob Johnson]

Gidday Pritch! Long time no see! Hope you are doing well!

I've been following this closely and can honestly say I totally get where you are coming from, however, Demond Lord is 100% correct. No matter what the outcome is the process, at least to me & many millions of others, appears to be pushing the country toward civil war as they just aren't listening & won't hear anything. Main stream media is nothing short of propaganda & while you make a strong case on one side it totally discounts looking at ones self in the mirror & questioning if a strawman is being argued.

There is no doubt this election has been a set up. A judge has ordered the release of Dominion voting machines report saying machines intentionally flipped votes. Now on top of this you have Big Tech & MSM, along with the DOJ squashing the Biden families activities until after the election. That is some serious foul play!

Here is my website, we have many sources of our info & happily share them www.planetb-media.com

ps: interestingly the odds on Betshare's site have not only slipped from mid 30's:1 for a Trump win but bets have just been suspended!

DUN DUN DUN......watch this space :-)

[F5 Dave]

There's hope for Judith yet. There are reports- on this very website, heck - in this very next sentence; specially trained left leaning rats broke into the nz ballot boxed and changed the Judith votes to Jacinda.

These same rats have been responsible for spreading a harmless flu virus all around the world so government commies would gain control of a compliant population and inject brain controlling microchips to make people even more stupid.

So far that is proving unnecessary or even possible and still retain the ability to breath.

[pritch]

Gidday Pritch! Long time no see! Hope you are doing well!


Funny, I just thought about you yesterday. In conversation there was mention of somebody staying in temporary accommodation near Bell Street, and I wondered if it was the one with which you had a connection.

[Viking01]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/14/will-american-people-official-electoral-college-vote-finalizes-biden-won-and-trump

[husaberg]

There's hope for Judith yet. There are reports- on this very website, heck - in this very next sentence; specially trained left leaning rats broke into the nz ballot boxed and changed the Judith votes to Jacinda.

These same rats have been responsible for spreading a harmless flu virus all around the world so government commies would gain control of a compliant population and inject brain controlling microchips to make people even more stupid.

So far that is proving unnecessary or even possible and still retain the ability to breath.

How far back should we go are we certain that Bridges lost the vote to Muller that could of been a left wing plot on account of what first class dude Simwen berwiches twas.
Did that sexy minx Maggie Thatcher really lose the leadership of the conservative party to that dreary John Major........

these are serious questions the public needs to know.
with Trump seriously how could clearly such an unpopular and completely stupid President ever get voted out by Americans?
Especially when he's been on a reality TV show and is so honest and has such an amazing vocabulary.
Surely such a man as presidential as trump should be president for life?
I think it's time we needed to face the alternate facts, Every vote that there ever was now was clearly rigged no matter what the evidence it was as long as a trump supporter doesn't like the outcome.
Plus it seems that if TDL doesn't like the result he should be able to overide the US supreme court because he's a pom that worked on a IT Help desk. so clearly he knows more and US, supreme court judge.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lYWzz2zBw

Trump press sec, well even if it's not real the threat might be....
The US security of state calls trump "a fucking moron"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnDAl5kxTGE&t=38s

[pritch]

The message might be sinking in. Finally.

US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, invited 900 people to his Christmas bunfight. About 70 people attended.
We can but hope they let the caterers know.

[R650R]

The message might be sinking in. Finally.

US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, invited 900 people to his Christmas bunfight. About 70 people attended.
We can but hope they let the caterers know.

I notice you like Twitter a lot for various news quotes....

Trump 80 million ish followers, close enough to his number of votes....

Joe Biden 21 million..... Hhhhmmmmm

[pete376403]

I notice you like Twitter a lot for various news quotes....

Trump 80 million ish followers, close enough to his number of votes....

Joe Biden 21 million..... Hhhhmmmmm

Twitter seems to be even more of a circle jerk than facebook.
Maybe Biden prefers to communicate policy via official channels

[Laava]

I wonder if it is coincidental, the rise of twitter vs the demise of the US?

[Kickaha]

Trump 80 million ish followers

75 million are there just to see what dumb shit he tweets next

[husaberg]

I notice you like Twitter a lot for various news quotes....

Trump 80 million ish followers, close enough to his number of votes....

Joe Biden 21 million..... Hhhhmmmmm

Yet Obama has 40 million more followers than trump still
Trump in 2015 wasn't even in the top 50 for twitter.

[mashman]

2020 Election Investigative Documentary: Who’s Stealing America? (https://www.theepochtimes.com/2020-election-investigation-who-is-stealing-america_3617562.html)... the commy chineesees did it.

Capital flight from West to East was predicted a long time ago. Wonder if this is the theater that goes with it. Place yer bets.

[F5 Dave]

I notice you like Twitter a lot for various news quotes....

Trump 80 million ish followers, close enough to his number of votes....

Joe Biden 21 million..... Hhhhmmmmm
Well it just seems a terrible damn shame the us president isn't chosen on Twitter Instagram Tumbler and Grinder.

I feel a lawsuit coming on to include followers as legal votes to be counted if we cant stop real votes.

[pritch]

About twenty million of Trump's followers are bots. Every now and then they have a clean out of bots and Trump screams that he's being censored.

Shortly after 20/1/2021 his account should be cancelled. Twitter have said if he continues to break their ToS after he loses his special "international" status they will cancel his account.

[F5 Dave]

He's FIRED.:clap:

[mashman]

Drain the swamp.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR60-2MaJxc

[SaferRides]

This is funny although it might be fake news

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300185382/donald-trumps-maralago-neighbours-tell-him-to-spend-his-postpresidency-days-elsewhere

[husaberg]

i was thinking what a waste he now has secret service agent protection for the rest of his life.
Then I realised he can't do any dodgy shit now without government agents watching documenting and being able to testify to all his deeds.



A federal judge ruled that Secret Service agents assigned to protect President Bill Clinton had to testify before a grand jury investigating the Monica Lewinsky scandal
So trumpy better behave
note those that were attempting to link Clinton with trumps old pal Epstein might want to get the secret service to back up the stories they spread, as they would have gone with Clinton is he ever went with him.

[onearmedbandit]

i was thinking what a waste he now has secret service agent protection for the rest of his life.
Then I realised he can't do any dodgy shit now without government agents watching documenting and being able to testify to all his deeds.



So trumpy better behave


Haha that's brilliant.

[mashman]

Is Shaye Moss gonna flip? I've seen a few state that she's in protective custody after coming clean about what she was a part of in Georgia.

Why did the guy who was investigating the Deal crash suicide himself?

[husaberg]

Is Shaye Moss gonna flip? I've seen a few state that she's in protective custody after coming clean about what she was a part of in Georgia.

Why did the guy who was investigating the Deal crash suicide himself?

News just in massive voter fraud reveled in NZ election Mana Eleotorate (https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2020/10/election-2020-results-live/)
it turnut of the 119 votes cast for Gordon Marshall 118 of them were from a small golden spaniel called Daniel

[husaberg]

Rudis star witless claims


"I wasn't drunk," Carone told Inside Edition. "I would swear under oath that I wasn't drunk. That's my personality."
In an interview with SarahPalin.com published Tuesday, she reiterated that point, saying: "This is what they do to Trump. It's not going to work with me. I won't back down because I am very religious and I know God is watching over me. This started with COVID."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-ezgAJaBQ

[Boob Johnson]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/14/will-american-people-official-electoral-college-vote-finalizes-biden-won-and-trump
Not a very balanced view. Just more leftist propaganda. Here's what is really going on. Main stream media will have you thinking it's all over.........not yet it's not!

https://planetb-media.com/2020/12/18/the-fly-in-the-ointment/

[pritch]

Nah, Senator Johnson had his say and was fairly conclusively shut down. He did a whinge on Twitter about the Dems using Russian disinformation and denying his own involvement with a Russian. Curiously his tweet was liked and forwarded by the very same Russian he was accused of having dealings with. Johnson is one of the seven who answered Putin's call to travel to Moscow a year or three ago.

Basically the Trumpists have got nothing. Sixty something court cases thrown out. Two more about the Georgia Senate rerun were tossed out just today.

Their favourite ‘billionaire’ is still begging for $5.00 donations from people who can’t afford it.

Soon I’ll be quoting Scumdog. "Life is tough..."

[Laava]

Not a very balanced view. Just more leftist propaganda. Here's what is really going on. Main stream media will have you thinking it's all over.........not yet it's not!

https://planetb-media.com/2020/12/18/the-fly-in-the-ointment/
Wakeup and smell the coffee.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Rudis star witless claims



are her tits available for perusal on the internet? I'd like her better if so - honest living and all that.

[husaberg]

are her tits available for perusal on the internet? I'd like her better if so - honest living and all that.

Well, she sent a few sex videos to her boyfriend's ex-wife
so I would suggest there would be.

Edit she was it seems previously a hooters waitresshttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNfOiD-tJqN3fTXF5lJHt81c4ll8-GnoYTeA&usqp=CAU and according to some a stripper so it could be more than possible.https://i0.wp.com/turtleboysports.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/29261129_556165951430993_3731693781217443840_n.jpg ?resize=574%2C1020&ssl=1https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2279398480/image_400x400.jpg

[F5 Dave]

Jesus arse fuking Krist. Just admit you've lost. Instead of shit that's going to get people hurt or dead.

[pritch]

Yesterday people were wondering why Trump is struggling to hold on to a job he has no intention of doing. That he is manifestly incapable of doing it is another matter.

Some state politicians complained that supplies of the vaccine were held up due to problems with manufacture. States were then advised by the government that their allocations had been reduced. Then Pfizer issued a statement that there were no production problems, their warehouse was filling rapidly because they had not received instructions as to where the vaccine should be sent. Something about pissups and breweries comes to mind.

Multiple sources are reporting today that Jared Kushner set up a shell company which has siphoned hundreds of millions of dollars from the Trump campaign to Trump family members. There are laws governing how campaign funds are used and people do get jailed for breaching them. Trump is probably too busy organising pardons for himself and his family to be bothered about vaccines. Or the Russians hacking most critical US computer infrastructure, or a Russian bounty on allied servicemen in Afghanistan or...

[SaferRides]

Not much in the news about the elections recently, apart from a couple of officials in Georgia being fired after raising concerns. Georgia is still pushing ahead with auditing signature verifications, but that's probably a waste of time now.

Still another month before inauguration...

[pete376403]

Flynn wants trump to declare martial law and redo the election:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-martial-law-new-election_n_5fc7d3e6c5b6f3fe59724a45

but politifact says he can't do it:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/18/facebook-posts/president-united-states-cant-unilaterally-impose-m/

[husaberg]

Not much in the news about the elections recently, apart from a couple of officials in Georgia being fired after raising concerns. Georgia is still pushing ahead with auditing signature verifications, but that's probably a waste of time now.

Still another month before inauguration...

Do you have a source for this?
As what has been in the news the most was election officials that were raising concern about trump spreading false ausations and attempting to be inciting riots.
there were two poll managers who raised concerns only about the security of votes and not fraud.
These were not fired but seeing as they only work at the election day and a few days either side every 4 years its a bit early to suggest they were fired.....

[SaferRides]

Do you have a source for this?
As what has been in the news the most was election officials that were raising concern about trump spreading false ausations and attempting to be inciting riots.
there were two poll managers who raised concerns only about the security of votes and not fraud.
These were not fired but seeing as they only work at the election day and a few days either side every 4 years its a bit early to suggest they were fired.....

Yes, their employment status wasn't mentioned. https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-secretary-state-criticizes-firing-poll-workers

[husaberg]

Yes, their employment status wasn't mentioned. https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-secretary-state-criticizes-firing-poll-workers

It raises questions on how people can claim to be fired when they were not actually employed now doesn't' it..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofFjdL6q_18

[pritch]

Mr Wood is one of the few lawyers remaining who will undertake Trump's fantasy lawsuits. This from Twitter:

[PrincessBandit]

Flynn wants trump to declare martial law and redo the election:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-martial-law-new-election_n_5fc7d3e6c5b6f3fe59724a45

but politifact says he can't do it:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/18/facebook-posts/president-united-states-cant-unilaterally-impose-m/

Well he does have a loyal armed looneys waiting for the word to rise up and revolt - scary thought.
I honestly cannot understand how he doesn’t get that, while a record number of people voted for him as an incumbent, 7 million MORE people voted for Biden, and that would certainly have impacted on the results despite their weird electoral college system.

His loyal followers are totally blinkered and it’s worrisome how many say there is absolutely nothing that the orange pumpkin could do wrong that would change their support for him.

[F5 Dave]

Kennedy did some stupid things. None moreso than Robert McNamara as secretary of defense. Ok maybe that was a shooting offense. But Jesus how has Trump survived?

[pritch]

His loyal followers are totally blinkered and it’s worrisome how many say there is absolutely nothing that the orange pumpkin could do wrong that would change their support for him.

I take an occasional peek at Parler, the right wing alternative to Twitter. The RWNJs can say anything and not be banned. It's best to keep visits short because the crazy is strong there. Talk of "ballots or bullets", and open discussion if mass killings of Democrats. The FBI should be all over it like a rash, but are probably still trying to infiltrate BLM or to find Antifa HQ.

Law enforcement tend to be right thinking people. Our spooks were totally focussed on a percieved threat from Islamist terrorists. It never even crossed their tiny minds that there could be a threat to Muslims in this country.

Those of you who go back far enough may remember the SIS guy who lost his brief case. It contained ID, a copy of Playboy, and a pie. That didn't exactly boost their prestige at the time.

There's a doozy Q Anon thing I saw earlier this morning but can't find it now. Trump is going to go up in AF1 and will declare Martial Law. Not just in the USA, but in the whole world. You read it here first. :rofl:

[nerrrd]

Can't wait to see how the whole 'martial law to rerun the election' idea goes, they even mentioned that on the radio this morning.

[mashman]

His loyal followers are totally blinkered and it’s worrisome how many say there is absolutely nothing that the orange pumpkin could do wrong that would change their support for him.

Totally blinkered? You think that Flynn, former National Security Advisor that was banged up for doing exactly the same thing that Biden is doing now, is Blinkered? I'll give you an option C. It's not about Flynn or Trump, but about exposing, and most importantly of all dealing with, the corruption that we all know takes place. Somewhat ironically, focusing on the individuals and their supposed state of mind instead of considering that they might actually be 'totally blinkered' for very good reason means that we'll never get to find out for sure... to the point where martial law may well be implemented to force that issue, because it is a rather important issue.

[husaberg]

Totally blinkered? You think that Flynn, former National Security Advisor that was banged up for doing exactly the same thing that Biden is doing now, is Blinkered? I'll give you an option C. It's not about Flynn or Trump, but about exposing, and most importantly of all dealing with, the corruption that we all know takes place. Somewhat ironically, focusing on the individuals and their supposed state of mind instead of considering that they might actually be 'totally blinkered' for very good reason means that we'll never get to find out for sure... to the point where martial law may well be implemented to force that issue, because it is a rather important issue.

Really was Biden fired and convicted of lying under oath to the FBI?


When asked about the plea at the time, Mr. Trump said, “I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the vice president and the F.B.I.”

That was true, of course. Mr. Flynn did lie, as he admitted to under oath in a court of law — twice. He told investigators, falsely, that he had not communicated with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, about possible changes to American foreign policy toward Russia even before Mr. Trump took office.

Andrew McCabe, FBI chief in 2017 said the FBI "received incontrovertible evidence" Flynn spoke to the ambassador multiple times and tried to influence the actions of Russian officials.

[pritch]

Found it. What gets me about these Q Anon prophesies is that although none have come to fruition, the brain washed followers keep believing each subsequent utterance.
Well, that's one of the things about them that get me. Another is that there is a follower of Q has been elected in the US, so the madness is actually in Congress.

And this really is madness. I hope.:rolleyes:

[Viking01]

.... though still to agree on the final words and get the votes to support it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/vote-900bn-stimulus-package-soon-today-after-senators-reach-deal-fed-powers

[Edit]

Some of the other (more creative) destinations where a portion of those funds are due to be deployed:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pork-city-here-are-most-ridiculous-pet-projects-900-billion-spending-package

[R650R]

Found it. What gets me about these Q Anon prophesies is that although none have come to fruition, the brain washed followers keep believing each subsequent utterance.
Well, that's one of the things about them that get me. Another is that there is a follower of Q has been elected in the US, so the madness is actually in Congress.

And this really is madness. I hope.:rolleyes:

This was discussed in depth earlier. Q anon is fake, govt controlled entity like Alex Jones and other big conspiracy names.
Even the Roman’s were known to plant controlled fake opposition dissenters...
Anyone that rises to fore front of international discussion at a vital rate is owned by an international intelligence agency at some level.
Just look at Greta Thugberg, how did the voice of an autistic 16y/o rise above all the other thousands of junior Karen’s in schools around the world bleating about the climate...
It wouldn’t be surprising to find Billy TK was a controlled op here so Intel could flush out any extremists. He’s gone suspiciously quiet now his job is done...

[R650R]

Well he does have a loyal armed looneys waiting for the word to rise up and revolt - scary thought.
I honestly cannot understand how he doesn’t get that, while a record number of people voted for him as an incumbent, 7 million MORE people voted for Biden, and that would certainly have impacted on the results despite their weird electoral college system.

His loyal followers are totally blinkered and it’s worrisome how many say there is absolutely nothing that the orange pumpkin could do wrong that would change their support for him.

You have a unique situation in USA where armed militias are legal. They are only concerned about the constitution being upheld along with its processes.
There will be no uprising as modern dictators follow the frog boiling in the pot principle....

[PrincessBandit]

Totally blinkered? You think that Flynn, former National Security Advisor that was banged up for doing exactly the same thing that Biden is doing now, is Blinkered? I'll give you an option C. It's not about Flynn or Trump, but about exposing, and most importantly of all dealing with, the corruption that we all know takes place. Somewhat ironically, focusing on the individuals and their supposed state of mind instead of considering that they might actually be 'totally blinkered' for very good reason means that we'll never get to find out for sure... to the point where martial law may well be implemented to force that issue, because it is a rather important issue.

To me it's more about the fact that they are up front about the fact that he could do anything at all he wants - illegal, immoral/amoral, criminal, anti-democracy etc. etc. etc. and they still would swear fealty to him.

[pzkpfw]

Found it. What gets me about these Q Anon prophesies is that although none have come to fruition, the brain washed followers keep believing each subsequent utterance. ...

I think there's a Venn diagramish overlap with the people in the U.S. who believe some televangelist saying the World will end on some date, and when it doesn't, they just go ahead and believe him again when he comes up with the next date.

This type of person wants to believe. Doesn't matter much what.

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/h_bBYBZypE0

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/TcesQ7-M1i0

[mashman]

To me it's more about the fact that they are up front about the fact that he could do anything at all he wants - illegal, immoral/amoral, criminal, anti-democracy etc. etc. etc. and they still would swear fealty to him.

And fair enough given the image of him that is portrayed and that he plays in to. For some reason that sounds vaguely familiar, but anyhoo... Yes, absolutely, he has the potential to do, well, continue to do exactly what he wants......... Just as those before him did by abusing the same tools Trump has access to (not to be understimated by a long shot... and potentially why Biden is being given the runaround by the Pentagon) yet they fabricated war and sent human beings sent to die for an agenda that was not as portrayed.

On the flip side, there's the Snowdens, Mannings, Assanges of the world all trying to get away from a Government that they know is up to no good. Bush and Blair, them war on terror guys, lied the world into a war that continues today to further some fucked up agenda that none of us can really grasp. Trump, currently, is doing the opposite (MIC won't like that at all). That he may well be enriching himself makes him no better or worse than any President before him. As such, that he "lacks" presidential smarm and smiles and pomp really doesn't matter so long as he drains the swamp.

His allies seem to be from the intelligence agencies, people who had top level access to whatever they needed in a chain of command that simply does as it's told. NOW there's a danger. Rightly or wrongly an order is an order... and some people have been abusing those orders for a very long time. I Am hoping that Trump is here to drain the swamp and unleash intelligence that exposes some of the horrors being undertaken by the "Deep State".

There is a war going on. I do not profess to know everything about it by any stretch of the imagination. If that war does not exist (it is evidenced to exist), then we are well and truly fucked.

[PrincessBandit]

Found it. What gets me about these Q Anon prophesies is that although none have come to fruition, the brain washed followers keep believing each subsequent utterance.
Well, that's one of the things about them that get me. Another is that there is a follower of Q has been elected in the US, so the madness is actually in Congress.

And this really is madness. I hope.:rolleyes:

Ooooh, I just read the attachment in your post. Hey, did it happen? Did I miss it? Am I living in an alternate reality because I don't recall it happening?


When I read some posts by a few people in this thread (can't be arsed quoting them), sure I understand corruption in governments - people are people, and people in power like to abuse it; nothing new there. BUT what if the US election wasn't actually rigged! What if the "sleeping giant" of disinterested American voters simply woke from the wreckage of the last four years and said enough is enough. It could actually be a possibility!! Conspiracy theorists will continue to have their wet dreams in their echo chambers regardless I guess.

[PrincessBandit]

And fair enough given the image of him that is portrayed and that he plays in to... Trump ... may well be enriching himself makes him no better or worse than any President before him. As such, that he "lacks" presidential smarm and smiles and pomp really doesn't matter so long as he drains the swamp.

There is a war going on. I do not profess to know everything about it by any stretch of the imagination. If that war does not exist (it is evidenced to exist), then we are well and truly fucked.

Trump certainly doesn't have a palatable coating; I understand that other presidents, prime ministers etc. who are more appealing (??) can still do hideous things while people just look at the sheep's clothing over the wolf. However Trump does come across more as the main swamp monster creating a new swamp, one that is more to his liking.

I reckon your last sentence is pretty accurate sadly :weep:

[pritch]

https://youtu.be/TcesQ7-M1i0

A usual, Keighley isn't McEnany sense.

[mashman]

Trump certainly doesn't have a palatable coating; I understand that other presidents, prime ministers etc. who are more appealing (??) can still do hideous things while people just look at the sheep's clothing over the wolf. However Trump does come across more as the main swamp monster creating a new swamp, one that is more to his liking.

I reckon your last sentence is pretty accurate sadly :weep:

Begs the question how he became President, let alone how he became selected as the best candidate for the job. Almost as if he was asked by someone. Either way yeah, he does seem very much like a swamp monster that's pointing at other swamp monsters and calling them swamp monsters. As such, send a maniac to catch a manic seems to join the dots better than most explanations to date... that and it's outright bullshit and the Dems will be along to put the smarm back into fucking everyone over.

[Kickaha]

As such, that he "lacks" presidential smarm and smiles and pomp really doesn't matter so long as he drains the swamp.

I Am hoping that Trump is here to drain the swamp and unleash intelligence that exposes some of the horrors being undertaken by the "Deep State".

There is a war going on. I do not profess to know everything about it by any stretch of the imagination. If that war does not exist (it is evidenced to exist), then we are well and truly fucked.

He has done zero swamp draining he has just added to it with his nepotism and sycophantic followers

What horrors of the "Deep state"

There's as much evidence of your war as there was of WMDs


Begs the question how he became President, let alone how he became selected as the best candidate for the job.
Because they didn't want Hillary, they voted against her not for Trump

[mashman]

He has done zero swamp draining he has just added to it with his nepotism and sycophantic followers

What horrors of the "Deep state"

There's as much evidence of your war as there was of WMDs


Because they didn't want Hillary, they voted against her not for Trump

You're right. So far there has been no swamp draining. There's a little time left.

Murder, extortion, corruption, sabotage, espionage etc...

The same people that faked WMD evidence to take us to war isn't evidence of a Deep State?

What? Clinton is a Democrat and nothing to do with the Republicans giving Trump the nomination to run for President in 2016... and lol@the people not wanting Clinton and therefore ending up with Trump despite him being a traitor with Russian connections. Go on, slather some more.

[Kickaha]

You're right. So far there has been no swamp draining. There's a little time left.
He's had four fucking years, how much time does he need


Murder, extortion, corruption, sabotage, espionage etc...
So just normal daily activities around the world then ?


The same people that faked WMD evidence to take us to war isn't evidence of a Deep State?
No, actually it isn't


and lol@the people not wanting Clinton and therefore ending up with Trump
Yet that is exactly what happened, the same way people voted for Biden not because they want Biden in but because they want Trump out

[husaberg]

What? Clinton is a Democrat and nothing to do with the Republicans giving Trump the nomination to run for President in 2016... and lol@the people not wanting Clinton and therefore ending up with Trump despite him being a traitor with Russian connections. Go on, slather some more.

You A dude who can't even get 0.5% of the vote, claims to know what voters want FAF....


Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast.
He is the first U.S. presidential candidate to have won more than 80 million votes.
Trump won 74,222,957 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast.

So did Biden win comfortably?
Yes, if you go by the popular vote. In the past six presidential elections, only Barack Obama in 2008 won by a larger total vote margin than the 7,060,141-vote margin that Biden piled up.
Likewise, Biden’s 4.5 percentage point lead is the largest win in the past six elections other than Obama’s seven-point win in 2008.

More than 159 million Americans voted in 2020: 159,633,396 to be exact. That’s the largest total voter turnout in U.S. history and the first time more than 140 million people voted. Voter turnout in 2020 was the highest in 120 years when measured as a percentage of the voting-eligible population: 66.7 percent.

• More young voters, more moderates, and more suburban voters chose Biden than chose 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, helping him best President Donald Trump.
In both the 2016 and 2020 elections, Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton won nearly 3 million more votes than he did, and Biden is on track to win nearly 6 million more votes than Trump.


In 2016, younger voters favoured Clinton, while older Americans voted for Trump. This year, more younger voters chose Biden and older voters were split between the two candidates.

https://i.insider.com/5fb54fa2a3dc6100120058f6
https://i.insider.com/5fb54fb4a3dc6100120058f7
https://i.insider.com/5fb54fcb7b94e80011de9ba8
https://i.insider.com/5fb54fdda3dc6100120058f9
https://i.insider.com/5fb550be7b94e80011de9baf
https://i.insider.com/5fb550237b94e80011de9bab


While he racdicalised the right he lost the middle moderates he lost the small cities and rural he lost the middle aged vote, simply the less educated you were the more likely they were to vote tump.

[SaferRides]

Dominion and Smartmatic are looking at legal action. That could get very expensive for some people...

[husaberg]

Dominion and Smartmatic are looking at legal action. That could get very expensive for some people...

So if you tweeted

TRUMP: “REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.”
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-tweets-tall-tale-votes-13c104367924b8192b4fcecf334f7806

you might get sued.....

[mashman]

He's had four fucking years, how much time does he need

So just normal daily activities around the world then ?

No, actually it isn't

Yet that is exactly what happened, the same way people voted for Biden not because they want Biden in but because they want Trump out

Slowly slowly catchy monkey, is the story that goes with that.

"Normal", no, but such events certainly take place.

A series of unfortunate events it is.

Questionable given the evidence to date, but hey.

[SaferRides]

So if you tweeted

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-tweets-tall-tale-votes-13c104367924b8192b4fcecf334f7806

you might get sued.....Some lawyers and right-wing media also.

[Kickaha]

Questionable given the evidence to date, but hey.

Evidence of what? If you're still wanking on about widespread voter fraud then maybe produce some solid evidence because no one else has

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article246929942.html

https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-poll-against-3afb9853-427c-4c85-8673-ed64d6a0a5f5.html

https://news.vcu.edu/article/Biden_voters_more_likely_to_be_voting_against_Trum p_than_for

[F5 Dave]

I think the hard of thinking assume that just saying the word 'evidence' several times makes it appear magically true.

[R650R]

I think the hard of thinking assume that just saying the word 'evidence' several times makes it appear magically true.

Well it works for the Police, they call stuff evidence all the time ;) ....

Evidence is interesting stuff, it can be hard or circumstantial....

In this country we've twice convicted people of murder on circumstantial evidence with no body or one body missing....

Modern conspiracy theories are great examples of circumstantial evidence, a grouping of evidential items, statements or occurrences pointing to a likely probability of X.

Then of course there's evidence that we like because it agrees with our thoughts, sometimes we don't like evidence because it confronts our safe assumptions... well all side try to dispel evidence we don't like because it threatens what one thinks is the truth, so we fight and argue...

But truth is elf evident and needs no protection, truth speaks for itself....

[mashman]

Evidence of what? If you're still wanking on about widespread voter fraud then maybe produce some solid evidence because no one else has

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article246929942.html

https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-poll-against-3afb9853-427c-4c85-8673-ed64d6a0a5f5.html

https://news.vcu.edu/article/Biden_voters_more_likely_to_be_voting_against_Trum p_than_for

The vote spikes and associated forensics should have been enough. The software, well, seriously, errors? About 20 years ago I wrote a little bit of software to digitise approximately 100 legal pages per minute. Barely had any issues (German OCR engine). Since then science has produced optics that can read an entire book without opening it. Yet some of the simplest software in the world, the company also having a history that includes producing the finest optics, was breaking under the strain of counting a little piece of paper/card with minimal markings on it, to the point where human intervention was required to fix the numbers of votes being invalidated/incorrectly processed. Perhaps I expect too much from systems that cost tens of millions of $ to count votes.

After that there's the thousands of affidavits of people who were at these place watching (lol) and watching these things take place for them to consider the action unlawful enough to stand up and be put through the ringer by dispshits that everyone accepts is corrupt (you called it normal behavior eh)

[mashman]

Well it works for the Police, they call stuff evidence all the time ;) ....

Evidence is interesting stuff, it can be hard or circumstantial....

In this country we've twice convicted people of murder on circumstantial evidence with no body or one body missing....

Modern conspiracy theories are great examples of circumstantial evidence, a grouping of evidential items, statements or occurrences pointing to a likely probability of X.

Then of course there's evidence that we like because it agrees with our thoughts, sometimes we don't like evidence because it confronts our safe assumptions... well all side try to dispel evidence we don't like because it threatens what one thinks is the truth, so we fight and argue...

But truth is elf evident and needs no protection, truth speaks for itself....

Elf 1

Total registered voters in the US as of 2018: 153,100,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 102,577,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 50,523,000 who did not vote.

Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
153,100,000 - 155,507,229 = -2,407,229 did not vote.

Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 2 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

[pritch]

Haven't actually decided whether the problem is that Trump supporters are really dim, or if it's that the people who feed them their misinformation think that they're spectacular dim. Or possibly it's both.

The RWNJs are posting maps and graphs of the US showing the counties won by Trump and the much lower number of counties won by Biden. This apparently proves, in their disordered minds, that Trump won the election. Many of those counties will have more livestock than people but let's not worry about that.

Anyhoo someone, presumably a democrat, has produced his own map in response to the Trump counties map.

Was listenng last night to someone making the case that Puerto Rico should be a state. (Washington DC and Puerto Rico are both seekng statehood.) The population of the Island is over three million which gives it a greater population than both Dakotas, Wyoming and Idaho(?) combined. Residents of Puerto Rico have no national political representation which to a large extent explains the dire state of the place.

DC has no governor which is how Barr and Trump filled it with Justice Dept "troops" some months back. Of course the Republicans hate this and describe it as "socialism'. It has nothing to do with socialism but the low information types in Trump's base react to that word like Pavlov's dogs, even though they have no idea what t means.

[neels]

Elf 1

Total registered voters in the US as of 2018: 153,100,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 102,577,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 50,523,000 who did not vote.

Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
153,100,000 - 155,507,229 = -2,407,229 did not vote.

Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 2 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

Some obvious points to ponder further:

The recorded voter turnout is 67% of eligible voters, not registered voters

Total votes cast in 2016 - Clinton 65,853,625, Trump 62,985,106 = 128,838,731.

Voter turnout in 2016 is recorded as 55.4%, therefore the number of eligible voters = 234,252,224

Using the 67% above of eligible voters you end up with 156,948,990, which is pretty damn close to the total number of votes cast in 2020

See how mixing your stats lead you to a distorted/deranged conclusion.....

[mashman]

Some obvious points to ponder further:

The recorded voter turnout is 67% of eligible voters, not registered voters

Total votes cast in 2016 - Clinton 65,853,625, Trump 62,985,106 = 128,838,731.

Voter turnout in 2016 is recorded as 55.4%, therefore the number of eligible voters = 234,252,224

Using the 67% above of eligible voters you end up with 156,948,990, which is pretty damn close to the total number of votes cast in 2020

See how mixing your stats lead you to a distorted/deranged conclusion.....

My bad. I did indeed mix up the registered and eligible numbers.

[F5 Dave]

Well it works for the Police, they call stuff evidence all the time ;) ....

Evidence is interesting stuff, it can be hard or circumstantial....

In this country we've twice convicted people of murder on circumstantial evidence with no body or one body missing....

Modern conspiracy theories are great examples of circumstantial evidence, a grouping of evidential items, statements or occurrences pointing to a likely probability of X.

Then of course there's evidence that we like because it agrees with our thoughts, sometimes we don't like evidence because it confronts our safe assumptions... well all side try to dispel evidence we don't like because it threatens what one thinks is the truth, so we fight and argue...

But truth is elf evident and needs no protection, truth speaks for itself....

The police have a sticky position. They are trying to gather facts when people are deliberately trying to hide them. Must be frustrating as hell. Add to that, confirmation bias and you can get imperfect results.

And I think you will find that is more than twice. I don't know the stats. Hiding a body is very inconvenient.

Trump just lies like fuck and cares for no Truth. But thats not self evident to his followers.

The elves probably don't have a clue either.

[pritch]

Modern conspiracy theories are great examples of circumstantial evidence, a grouping of evidential items, statements or occurrences pointing to a likely probability of X.



Nah. Conspiracy theories usually point to an exceedingly unlikely possibility of X.

From today's news, signalling the end of a beautiful friendship?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/barr-voting-machines-seize-trump-theories-b1777212.html

[neels]

My bad. I did indeed mix up the registered and eligible numbers.
Mistakes happen, particularly when there are humans involved.

The disturbing bit is that there is a percentage of the population who would take that as fact, because it supports the view that they hold, and then absolutely reject any argument that it isn't true regardless of how factual that argument is.

Of course, there will also be occasions when these people are deliberately fed distorted facts to further reinforce their misguided beliefs.


Nah. Conspiracy theories usually point to an exceedingly unlikely possibility of X.
Generally a bunch of tenuously linked facts or events, that if you try really hard can sort of prove that your bizarre hypothesis may possibly be true. Therefore proof.

[husaberg]

My bad. I did indeed mix up the registered and eligible numbers.

Which means your whole premise is actually incorrect, yet you have not withdrawn your allegations....

[pritch]

Which means your whole premise is actually incorrect, yet you have not withdrawn your allegations....

Speaking of withdrawing allegations...

The companies responsible for the much mligned voting machines have finally got pissed off and initiated legal action against OAN, Newsmax, and Fox. The latter might be able to afford it, the others more recently arrived on the scene, not so much. The letters have also been sent to some individuals, Sidney Powell has one. If there is a God the newly elected Q Anon believer congresswoman should also have received one.

This list of retractions is long but seems comprehensive. It's basically everything that has been trumpeted by the unhinged and sucked up by the undiscerning. Sadly it's probably too long for the attention span of anybody who believed any of this nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Ol2OJPZYY

[pritch]

This former Marine colonel thinks Flynn should be recalled into the military and court martialled for incitement to insurrection. That might have to wait until Biden's inauguration though, Trump has his sycophants installed, but the clock is ticking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xARYtEal-g

[husaberg]

This former Marine colonel thinks Flynn should be recalled into the military and court martialled for incitement to insurrection. That might have to wait until Biden's inauguration though, Trump has his sycophants installed, but the clock is ticking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xARYtEal-g

Funny enough people forget Flynn was also fired by Obama as well as trump
Obama even warned trump
But as we know trump only hires the best people.........

Trump "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies."


Former President Obama warned President Donald Trump against hiring Mike Flynn as his national security adviser, three former Obama administration officials tell NBC News.
The warning, which has not been previously reported, came less than 48 hours after the November election when the two sat down for a 90-minute conversation in the Oval Office.


The Obama administration fired Flynn in 2014 from his position as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, largely because of mismanagement and temperament issues.
Obama’s warning pre-dated the concerns inside the government about Flynn’s contacts with the Russian ambassador, one of the officials said. Obama passed along a general caution that he believed Flynn was not suitable for such a high level post, the official added.

[mashman]

Mistakes happen, particularly when there are humans involved.

The disturbing bit is that there is a percentage of the population who would take that as fact, because it supports the view that they hold, and then absolutely reject any argument that it isn't true regardless of how factual that argument is.

Of course, there will also be occasions when these people are deliberately fed distorted facts to further reinforce their misguided beliefs.


Aye. When you posted your different numbers something rang a few alarm bells. Turns out I read "registered eligible voters" as eligible voters. Mystery solved. Chur... and fortunately the internet never got a hold of that one and made it fact enough to start civil war over ;).

[husaberg]

Aye. When you posted your different numbers something rang a few alarm bells. Turns out I read "registered eligible voters" as eligible voters. Mystery solved. Chur... and fortunately the internet never got a hold of that one and made it fact enough to start civil war over ;).

Its not a mystery it's been well documented for over a month yet you claim to be educated enough to offer an opinion.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-table-voter-registration-st-idUSKBN27L2Y8
it even been pointed out here previously.




Questionable given the evidence to date, but hey.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa-mailin-votes-ballots/

Clear enough?

[pritch]

MSNBC are reporting that Rudy Giuliani is the subject of an active criminal investigation by federal prosecutors from the Southern District of New York.

That's interesting for all sorts of reasons, not least because before he was Mayor, Giuliani used to be in charge of the office at the SDNY. That he is a lawyer makes things complicated because of lawyer/client privilege. There are additional complications because his client is Donald J Trump.

There is a definite potential for some entertainment in all of this. For us, if not for Giuliani.

[SaferRides]

My bad. I did indeed mix up the registered and eligible numbers.You're not alone; some of the "experts" who analysed voting patterns in Michigan did something similar to show there had been fraud.

[mashman]

You're not alone; some of the "experts" who analysed voting patterns in Michigan did something similar to show there had been fraud.

heh heh heh... some miscalculations certainly took place.

I did just read a story about a Republican that has been arrested for voting for his dead mother and trying to register his dead mother-in-law. Ooops. With a couple of thousand having been investigated and found across Pennsylvania, there'll be a few peeps shakin' in their boots.

[R650R]

Aye. When you posted your different numbers something rang a few alarm bells. Turns out I read "registered eligible voters" as eligible voters. Mystery solved. Chur... and fortunately the internet never got a hold of that one and made it fact enough to start civil war over ;).

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

[husaberg]

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

The stats the Trump supporters used were months and in some cases years out of date
not to mention some states allow you to register on the day.
Maybe before offering your opinion you might do a little research first...........
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-table-voter-registration-st-idUSKBN27L2Y8

[mashman]

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

heh... There are 2 categories of eligible voter. Registered and Non-Registered. You have to be over 18 and fit certain criteria before you can be considered to be eligible to become a registered voter. Being registered is not one of those criteria. You have to be a Registered eligible voter to be allowed to vote and therefore have you're vote counted, with the emphasis on Registered given that you cannot register unless your eligible.

[mashman]

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this (http://www.stationgossip.com/2020/12/revealed-simple-math-shows-biden-claims_21.html) and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

[pritch]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this (http://www.stationgossip.com/2020/12/revealed-simple-math-shows-biden-claims_21.html) and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?




Elf 2 is pissed?

155,507,229(total votes) is smaller than 214,000,000 (total voters) How is that "12 million more than 100%"?

Stop looking for fraud, all of the people responsible for the election, many of them Republican, have said there was none. Certainly not eough to change an election result. Nobody with a full set of marbles is even looking now. It's only Marjorie Taylor Greene, Sidney Powell, a few other nutcases, and Trump.

[pritch]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this (http://www.stationgossip.com/2020/12/revealed-simple-math-shows-biden-claims_21.html) and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?




Elf 2 is pissed?

155,507,229(total votes) is smaller than 214,000,000 (total voters) How is that "12 million more than 100%"?

Stop looking for fraud, all of the people responsible, many of them Republican, have said there was none. Certainly not enough to change an election result. Nobody with a full set of marbles is even looking now. It's only Marjorie Taylor Greene, Sidney Powell, a few other nutcases - and Trump.