Trump - 4 more years of this at least... [Archive] - Page 14

husaberg

12th August 2021, 17:35

Us courts now must be "fake news" as well then:msn-wink:

https://youtu.be/VIx_nMysTUY

things look bad for Trumps Florida pal either
Accused of trafficking a minor for sex
Hes even hired trumps good friend Jeff Epstines own lawyer
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2021/07/16/matt-gaetz-spends-tons-of-money-on-jeffrey-epsteins-lawyer-roger-stone-as-sex-trafficking-scandal-looms

Things aren’t looking good for Matt Gaetz, the Florida representative who’s currently facing a federal investigation into a number of allegations of a sexual nature, including whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl a few years ago. Since the New York Times reported in late March that the Department of Justice was looking into the alleged “encounters” between Gaetz and the teenager, and whether he paid for her to travel out of state with him — which, legally, would constitute sex trafficking —

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/14/matt-gaetz-scandal-joel-greenberg-sex-trafficking

The scandal engulfing Matt Gaetz, one of Donald Trump’s brashest supporters in Congress, deepened on Friday after an associate admitted sex trafficking involving a minor and agreed to cooperate with investigators.
Joel Greenberg, a former tax collector in Florida, said he and unidentified others paid a 17-year-old girl for sex and he provided the girl with drugs, according to court papers cited by multiple media outlets.
Greenberg, 37, is expected to plead guilty to six federal charges, including financial crimes, in court in Orlando on Monday. He could be a pivotal witness if prosecutors charge Gaetz, 39, over an alleged sexual relationship with the 17-year-old girl.
Greenberg has told investigators Gaetz had sex with the girl and knew she was being paid.

Gaetz’s former girlfriend has been in talks to strike a plea deal with prosecutors who are examining an obstruction of justice charge against Gaetz, but her attorney would not comment on the status of those talks.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/matt-gaetz-is-blowing-piles-of-cash-on-scandaland-on-roger-stone

Matt Gaetz has a 9% approval rating.

pritch

14th August 2021, 11:05

Does anybody know which channel is covering Trump's reinstatement? It seems very quiet out there.

husaberg

14th August 2021, 12:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsaO3v4SvwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn4pFQgV14U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVIZyHzkYHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvDidjWWhIA

pritch

14th August 2021, 15:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0dYLpyrDW4

R650R

15th August 2021, 14:31

Does anybody know which channel is covering Trump's reinstatement? It seems very quiet out there.

Your a bit early pritch, your mates at CNN will be doing the honours in 2024 😂😂😂

Really both sides just need a cup of tea

https://youtu.be/iWA7N3hlWc0

pritch

27th August 2021, 15:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P1uh2EVx8o

F5 Dave

27th August 2021, 20:39

People dont understand what 'decimated ' means.

Not trump I'm talking about. Hes do stoopid I'm surprised he remembers to take the next breath.

husaberg

29th August 2021, 20:19

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The last one is very interesting, he hounded Kristen Stewart for a long time about her infidelity. Yeah that's right her infidelity.

TheDemonLord

29th August 2021, 21:09

The last one is very interesting, he hounded Kristen Stewart for a long time about her infidelity. Yeah that's right her infefelity.

Hmmmm, it's almost like someone is attempting to deflect from just how terrible Biden actually is....

Funny that.

pritch

30th August 2021, 09:02

Hmmmm, it's almost like someone is attempting to deflect from just how terrible Biden actually is....

Funny that.

Only the truly deluded could come up with something like that. OK, Biden fucked up the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The whole deal was already fucked up by Trump's surrender to the Taliban, but Biden bears responsibility for failing to get their Afghan allies out. He shares that with the NZ Government and others who also failed theirs.

Overnight our time Biden flew to be at the arrival home of the casualties from Kabul, he then visited the site of the hurricane. To my knowledge he didn't insult any grieving widows or parents and I've yet to see a picture of him throwing paper towels at a crowd. Almost as if he's a normal person and not a fucking idiot like Trump.

TheDemonLord

30th August 2021, 09:29

OK, Biden fucked up the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

A Bit more than Fucked up.

Let's see:

Created the 6th Largest Military in the world, belonging to a Terrorist organization.
Pissed off ALL of the major Allies by not giving them a heads up.
Pulled the Military out first, rather than the other way around.
Looks completely impotent military on the World stage.
Has Causal blame for the US Casualties in the Bombing.

That's not a mere Fuck Up.

Or perhaps to quote Sugi:

"Free pass for Biden"

The whole deal was already fucked up by Trump's surrender to the Taliban, but Biden bears responsibility for failing to get their Afghan allies out. He shares that with the NZ Government and others who also failed theirs.

Are you saying that Biden couldn't reverse the Deal that Trump did, if it was as bad as you claim?

I said in the other thread, I don't agree with the Afghan withdrawal, but I've also agreed that America has no capacity or will to build an Empire - so from that perspective, it is 'correct' that they exit.

Overnight our time Biden flew to be at the arrival home of the casualties from Kabul, he then visited the site of the hurricane. To my knowledge he didn't insult any grieving widows or parents and I've yet to see a picture of him throwing paper towels at a crowd. Almost as if he's a normal person and not a fucking idiot like Trump.

"The Talban are providing Security for us (The US Military)"

That, is quite literally, the most monumentally STUPID statement I've ever heard a President make. And I'm including George Bush's statements in that comparison.

Edit: Also - Throwing toilet paper at people and saying mean things in Tweets = No one Died.
Committing the worst Military Blunder in my living memory = Lots of people Dead.

Guess which one I think is worse...

sugilite

30th August 2021, 10:44

Committing the worst Military Blunder in my living memory = Lots of people Dead.

Guess which one I think is worse...

You were doing so well, I was agreeing with everything you were saying right up to the above point :facepalm:

He killed mega thousands more than Biden ever did with his disastrous denial of covid and subsequent bullshit response and MANY mass rallies etc.
You are the free pass king. Your idea of being hard on Trump is forgoing the massage lube while giving him a loving shoulder rub :rolleyes:

The withdraw mess is totally on Biden. He really showed his true colors with regards to just not giving a fuck. I also feel he totally was surprised just how fast the Afghan "army" folded. He figured he had more time to evacuate. What a knob.

Also, he could of expunged Trumps plans to withdraw, he had no problem doing that to most of Trumps other policies.

Other countries really need to take notice of what Americas "help" actually means. They will throw you to the wolves anytime it suits them.

TheDemonLord

30th August 2021, 11:41

You were doing so well, I was agreeing with everything you were saying right up to the above point :facepalm:

He killed mega thousands more than Biden ever did with his disastrous denial of covid and subsequent bullshit response and MANY mass rallies etc.
You are the free pass king. Your idea of being hard on Trump is forgoing the massage lube while giving him a loving shoulder rub :rolleyes:

I knew that was coming - the difference here being that Biden directly caused it.

The withdraw mess is totally on Biden. He really showed his true colors with regards to just not giving a fuck. I also feel he totally was surprised just how fast the Afghan "army" folded. He figured he had more time to evacuate. What a knob.

Also, he could of expunged Trumps plans to withdraw, he had no problem doing that to most of Trumps other policies.

Other countries really need to take notice of what Americas "help" actually means. They will throw you to the wolves anytime it suits them.

The only real 2 points of disagreement from me are about the Surprise of Collapse - Every Military source I watch/listen to said multiple times (before and after this) that the ANA were incompetent in the extreme - and I'm sure that the higher-ups relayed that to the Administration- as you say, he just doesn't give a Fuck (whether that's consciously or just y'know, the thing...)

The second point is about America's Help - MANY Americans, on both sides of the standard political are appalled at not only the failure but how their allies were treated, especially the brits and the Afghans that helped.

I don't take this as an example of 'America's Help' - I take this entirely as an example of 'the Woke Democrats Help'

sugilite

30th August 2021, 12:57

I knew that was coming - the difference here being that Biden directly caused it.
Unilke you I do not have a blind spot with either Biden or Trump. I hold Trump DIRECTLY responsible for thousands of covid deaths by first denying it, then misinformation and so on.

The only real 2 points of disagreement from me are about the Surprise of Collapse - Every Military source I watch/listen to said multiple times (before and after this) that the ANA were incompetent in the extreme - and I'm sure that the higher-ups relayed that to the Administration- as you say, he just doesn't give a Fuck (whether that's consciously or just y'know, the thing...)

The second point is about America's Help - MANY Americans, on both sides of the standard political are appalled at not only the failure but how their allies were treated, especially the brits and the Afghans that helped.

I don't take this as an example of 'America's Help' - I take this entirely as an example of 'the Woke Democrats Help'
Fair enough on point one, but back to being Sir Glossover on point 2. Trump pulling the US out of Syria and leaving the kurds to be massacred by Turkey slip your mind?

pritch

30th August 2021, 13:23

I knew that was coming - the difference here being that Biden directly caused it.
I don't take this as an example of 'America's Help' - I take this entirely as an example of 'the Woke Democrats Help'

Biden "caused" nowt. His handling of the withdrawal was lousy and that's on him, but that's all.

There is a telling speech on Twitter from a USMC battalion commander who criticised the military chiefs. The next day he was an ex battalion commander of course. The top service chiefs have been widely accused of believing their own bullshit. If they passed their bullshit on to Biden that could account for his "relaxed" approach to the onrushing debacle.

Veterans' groups had been agitating for urgent evacuation of Afghan allies for weeks but there was no action taken until far too late. Whatever the reason for the lethargy, the buck stops with Biden for that.

The New Zealand government did not even discuss assistance to NZ's allies until after the day after the Taliban had taken Bamiyan province. By then it would have been impossible to travel from Bamiyan to Kabul. They rescued some that had assisted in Kabul, but that's even worse than Biden's effort.

TheDemonLord

30th August 2021, 14:19

Unilke you I do not have a blind spot with either Biden or Trump. I hold Trump DIRECTLY responsible for thousands of covid deaths by first denying it, then misinformation and so on.

Of course, as is your want and right - I don't, just like I don't hold Boris responsible or Jacinda responsible for any deaths caused by Covid.

Fair enough on point one, but back to being Sir Glossover on point 2. Trump pulling the US out of Syria and leaving the kurds to be massacred by Turkey slip your mind?

I've got some respect for the Kurds - but I think the relationship between the US and the UK is a little bit closer and deeper. Even the Centre-Left British news outlets are condemning the buggery out of Biden for not even giving the UK a Heads Up.

TheDemonLord

30th August 2021, 14:24

Biden "caused" nowt. His handling of the withdrawal was lousy and that's on him, but that's all.

A Lousy pull out?

Try the worst Military humiliation for the US on the World stage since Vietnam.

And I'm genuinely serious about that - Compare Trump's approach:

'Here's the Deal, Oh - you've reneged on the Deal, Here's a MOAB, Now accept the Deal'

Very effective and let's everyone know that if you play nice, you will likely get a favourable outcome, don't play nice and you get the full-force of the US Military might. Not very Subtle or graceful, but it let's everyone know that Lethal Force at short notice is an option on the table if you don't comply.

Biden's approach: "We've been reduced to having the Taliban run security for us" - That statement (well, his actual statement, not my paraphrased quote), moreso than the actions was probably the most Militarily Impotent thing I've ever heard, from any president, in history.

It's told the World that the US has no Teeth. His Statement was an absolute disgrace. His Press Pantomimes, even with pre-prepared questions still made the US sound weak and incompetent.

Time will tell, but I'm putting this as the biggest failure in US foreign Policy for a long time, because I suspect every warlord in certain parts of the world who were scarred that Trump might drone strike them or drop a MOAB on them now doesn't have to worry about US Military intervention.

There is a telling speech on Twitter from a USMC battalion commander who criticised the military chiefs. The next day he was an ex battalion commander of course. The top service chiefs have been widely accused of believing their own bullshit. If they passed their bullshit on to Biden that could account for his "relaxed" approach to the onrushing debacle.

Veterans' groups had been agitating for urgent evacuation of Afghan allies for weeks but there was no action taken until far too late. Whatever the reason for the lethargy, the buck stops with Biden for that.

The New Zealand government did not even discuss assistance to NZ's allies until after the day after the Taliban had taken Bamiyan province. By then it would have been impossible to travel from Bamiyan to Kabul. They rescued some that had assisted in Kabul, but that's even worse than Biden's effort.

Seen lots of discussion about the Lt Colonel. Absolute disgrace what was done to him, Speaking out on a matter of principal and putting your career on the line is exactly the type of Virtue extolled by the USMC. Someone should recite the Boot Camp initial Speech by the DIs to the USMC senior Staff.

There's certainly an issue with Top Brass in the US at the moment - consider the Woke recruiting ad that they released recently. That Rot is coming from proximity to Washington, not the other way around.

However I cannot envisage a scenario where any semi-competent General said to Biden 'Nah, it's all good, let's pull the troops out first and not worry about the Equipment'.

And as above to Sugi - I don't buy that no General didn't want to notify their Allies.

george formby

30th August 2021, 14:45

I suspect every warlord in certain parts of the world who were scarred that Trump might drone strike them or drop a MOAB on them now doesn't have to worry about US Military intervention.

Lets hope you're wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/30/un-atomic-watchdog-says-north-korea-appears-to-have-restarted-nuclear-reactor

pritch

30th August 2021, 15:07

However I cannot envisage a scenario where any semi-competent General said to Biden 'Nah, it's all good, let's pull the troops out first and not worry about the Equipment'.

A certain lack of understanding there. For twenty years equipment had been shipped to Afghanistan, it would have taken years to ship it back. That was never an option, except in Trump's disordered mind.

The sheer magnitude of US ordinance depots is mind boggling. I have only ever seen one, seventeen miles long by twelve miles wide, full of densely packed equipment. It impressed the Hell outa me at the time, still does.

Grumph

30th August 2021, 15:29

A certain lack of understanding there. For twenty years equipment had been shipped to Afghanistan, it would have taken years to ship it back. That was never an option, except in Trump's disordered mind.

The sheer magnitude of US ordinance depots is mind boggling. I have only ever seen one, seventeen miles long by twelve miles wide, full of densely packed equipment. It impressed the Hell outa me at the time, still does.

Simply a reflection of the amount of money put into the military/industrial complex. Senators have for generations grown fat on the payoff from that.

husaberg

30th August 2021, 15:45

Only the truly deluded could come up with something like that. OK, Biden fucked up the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The whole deal was already fucked up by Trump's surrender to the Taliban, but Biden bears responsibility for failing to get their Afghan allies out. He shares that with the NZ Government and others who also failed theirs.

Overnight our time Biden flew to be at the arrival home of the casualties from Kabul, he then visited the site of the hurricane. To my knowledge he didn't insult any grieving widows or parents and I've yet to see a picture of him throwing paper towels at a crowd. Almost as if he's a normal person and not a fucking idiot like Trump.

That post of TLRD was he really trying to say should not be posting about trump in a trump thread? Then tries to turn this to a But Biden to give trump another free pass while he ....buggers the world up the ass.....
No wonder so many have him on ignore.
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TheDemonLord

30th August 2021, 15:48

A certain lack of understanding there. For twenty years equipment had been shipped to Afghanistan, it would have taken years to ship it back. That was never an option, except in Trump's disordered mind.

Years? Disagree. Days? I agree, lots to take out. Weeks? At an absolute push. Months? more likely - but that's within a reasonable time frame. But let's assume they can't remove it, then you do what Trump said: Bomb it to hell (aka sabotage it so it can't be used).

TheDemonLord

30th August 2021, 15:50

That post of TLRD was he really trying to say should not be posting about trump in a trump thread? Then tries to turn this to a But Biden.....
No wonder so many have him on ignore.

Oh, Don't mind me - I'm just reveling in how the worst accusations, taken on face value of the claimant, about Trump - by the likes of yourself - pale in comparison to the absolute Cluster-fuck that has been Afghanistan.

'Worst President Ever'

Biden: Hold my - y'know - the thing!

TheDemonLord

30th August 2021, 15:51

Lets hope you're wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/30/un-atomic-watchdog-says-north-korea-appears-to-have-restarted-nuclear-reactor

If true - let's all say it together kids:

"Didn't happen under Trump"

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

pritch

30th August 2021, 22:28

Years? Disagree. Days? I agree, lots to take out. Weeks? At an absolute push. Months? more likely - but that's within a reasonable time frame. But let's assume they can't remove it, then you do what Trump said: Bomb it to hell (aka sabotage it so it can't be used).

Never having seen anything of the type, nor having any concept of the mind boggling size, it's easy to have such boundless misplaced confidence. The Yanks have no record of destroying much of their hardware, it's normally just left behind.

Just like they handed everything to the Russians when Trump crawled out of Syria abandoning the Kurds.

Trump would've done the same again, he only came up with the bombing idea in the last week or so. He didn't say anything about that previously, he was too busy releasing Taliban from Pakistani prisons so they could overrun the country.

sugilite

31st August 2021, 07:40

Of course, as is your want and right - I don't, just like I don't hold Boris responsible or Jacinda responsible for any deaths caused by Covid.

I don't hold Barney the dinosaur responsible for covid deaths. Oddly that does not exonerate Trump from killing thousands - who knew? Pity the poor dead Trump supporter who believed their dear leader would never put his agenda before protecting the American people. They died for his lies that ultimately failed - as he lost the election he was willing to kill thousands over anyways.

Laava

31st August 2021, 08:31

Simply a reflection of the amount of money put into the military/industrial complex. Senators have for generations grown fat on the payoff from that.
It certainly goes a long way to explaining why the US is the at the top of the table proportionately for "foreign aid"

TheDemonLord

31st August 2021, 09:11

Never having seen anything of the type, nor having any concept of the mind boggling size, it's easy to have such boundless misplaced confidence.

Oh My Dear Pritch, you presume far too much....

You see (and you didn't know this about me) I've been on active Military bases in Europe (including those shared with the Yanks) and have seen, with my own eyes, Rows upon Rows upon Rows upon Rows of kit.

So I've got actually a very good idea of the sheer scale that we are dealing with. So please do continue with your assumptions :laugh:

The Yanks have no record of destroying much of their hardware, it's normally just left behind.

Not true, immediately I can think of the time when they pushed a bunch of Aircraft over the side of an Aircraft Carrier.

Just like they handed everything to the Russians when Trump crawled out of Syria abandoning the Kurds.

Not quite the same level that happened here, short by several billion.

Trump would've done the same again, he only came up with the bombing idea in the last week or so. He didn't say anything about that previously, he was too busy reeasing Taliban from Pakistani prisons so they could overrun the country.

You got any proof of that assertion? It's a pretty bold one - especially since Trump's line on this was quite succinct 'You didn't need to do anything Joe, just stick with the Plan that I created'.

TheDemonLord

31st August 2021, 09:18

I don't hold Barney the dinosaur responsible for covid deaths. Oddly that does not exonerate Trump from killing thousands - who knew? Pity the poor dead Trump supporter who believed their dear leader would never put his agenda before protecting the American people. They died for his lies that ultimately failed - as he lost the election he was willing to kill thousands over anyways.

They died with their Freedom maintained though.

(Okay, admittedly I'm partly saying that as an excuse to post this Meme)

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/905/371/9e2.png

But in seriousness, we've covered your thoughts on Covid/Trump before, I don't hold him responsible in the way that you do - but for the Afghanistan pull out, I hold Biden fully responsible.

And I'm enjoying the hell out of rubbing it in the faces of everyone who spouted off how bad and upresidential and incompetent at Foreign Policy Trump was - as I don't really need to do much except point to Afghanistan and post a clip of his Press Pantomime and say 'Behold, Biden!'

So you'll have to excuse my Gloating and 'You got what you wished for and now you are getting what you deserved'

pritch

31st August 2021, 09:26

Simply a reflection of the amount of money put into the military/industrial complex. Senators have for generations grown fat on the payoff from that.

That the senators grow fat on corruption is not in question. While it's not particularly relevant you did remind me of something.

Elmer Keith was a long time gun writer in the USA. His autobiography is called, "Hell, I Was There". The "there" referred to is the Wild West. When WW2 broke out he thought he would get an advisory job of some sort. He had been an outspoken critic of the M1 Garand though and that had pissed people off, so he was posted to an army ordinance depot.

After a while he noticed that there were officers who did nothing but swim, golf, or play basketball all day. Curious, he inquired as to who these people were. He was informed that they were sons of congressmen and senators who had been sent to that camp to sit out the war in safety.

The US politicians have a long record of lookingafter themselves and their own.

TheDemonLord

31st August 2021, 10:38

That the senators grow fat on corruption is not in question. While it's not particularly relevant you did remind me of something.

Elmer Keith was a long time gun writer in the USA. His autobiography is called, "Hell, I Was There". The "there" referred to is the Wild West. When WW2 broke out he thought he would get an advisory job of some sort. He had been an outspoken critic of the M1 Garand though and that had pissed people off, so he was posted to an army ordinance depot.

After a while he noticed that there were officers who did nothing but swim, golf, or play basketball all day. Curious, he inquired as to who these people were. He was informed that they were sons of congressmen and senators who had been sent to that camp to sit out the war in safety.

The US politicians have a long record of lookingafter themselves and their own.

Or for more recent examples - the Democrat Mayors/governors who want to take away Self-Defence Firearm laws, defund the police - and then hire Private body guards (at the Tax Payers expense) to protect themselves.

Although cracks aside, interesting his criticism of the Garand (Since WW2 showed it was the correct way to go)

pritch

31st August 2021, 12:01

Or for more recent examples - the Democrat Mayors/governors who want to take away Self-Defence Firearm laws, defund the police - and then hire Private body guards (at the Tax Payers expense) to protect themselves.

Although cracks aside, interesting his criticism of the Garand (Since WW2 showed it was the correct way to go)

"Defund the police" was a stupid saying the Democrats came up with. Their messaging is crap. The Republicans jumped on that and their witless sycophants repeat it. Actually the idea is good. They wanted to take some money from the law enforcement budget and put it in say mental health. In this country we have mental health crisis teams who attend incidents where somebody is experiencing a mental health crisis. They don't have that in the USA, the cops go, and too often the patient winds up dead, shot by the cops.

"Defund the Police" is one of the scary things the Republicans use to keep their base angry. Like critical race theory, sharia law, caravans, and the other bogeymen they trot out which are nonsense but are spouted by their followers who have no idea what any of it means.

It helps identify idiots though, when things like "woke" "CRT" or "Soros" are invoked, you know you are dealing with the factually challenged.

TheDemonLord

31st August 2021, 13:22

"Defund the police" was a stupid saying the Democrats came up with. Their messaging is crap. The Republicans jumped on that and their witless sycophants repeat it. Actually the idea is good. They wanted to take some money from the law enforcement budget and put it in say mental health. In this country we have mental health crisis teams who attend incidents where somebody is experiencing a mental health crisis. They don't have that in the USA, the cops go, and too often the patient winds up dead, shot by the cops.

No.

The actual radicals who run the movement, the thought leaders want to completely abolish Law Enforcement. That is their stated goal.

Now, the Wider Democrats have tried to spin this to be the above - but all you need to do is listen to what they said - they want to dismantle it, completely.

"Defund the Police" is one of the scary things the Republicans use to keep their base angry. Like critical race theory, sharia law, caravans, and the other bogeymen they trot out which are nonsense but are spouted by their followers who have no idea what any of it means.

No.

In another thread, I actually posted some quotes from the founders of the Critical Race Theory tradition - It is wholly Racist. I'm more than happy to point you to the Academic literature on the subject, so you can see for yourself.

It helps identify idiots though, when things like "woke" "CRT" or "Soros" are invoked, you know you are dealing with the factually challenged.

So, I never raise Soros, but Woke and CRT are definitely real things - going allll the way back to the early 2010s in terms of the popular usage

TheDemonLord

31st August 2021, 22:32

I think you need to post more Cope.

The Lady doth protest too much.

Edit: Interesting, it seems Husa deleted his posts, only to post the same thing after I made this post about his obvious Cope.

The harder you try at Deflection, the more desperate it shows your position to be.

husaberg

31st August 2021, 22:43

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husaberg

31st August 2021, 22:46

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sugilite

1st September 2021, 10:09

TheDemonLord

1st September 2021, 11:53

Earlyish in the pandemic, a begrudging Trump holds a press conference to announce the CDC recommendations on wearing a mask to best mitagate the deadliest event that killed the most Americans ever in history. At the end of the conference Trump says that he does not think he will be wearing one. As a result millions of Trump supporting families take the position their trusted dear leader Trump promoted. Millions more are needlessly infected, and thousands die on a bed of Trumps words. Trump is DIRECTLY responsible for spreading the virus and killing the very people he swore an oath to protect.

The interesting thing is a quote from one of Trump's most recent events - where he talked to the Crowd about the Vaccine, the crowed booed, and Trump replied with the following:

And you know what? I believe totally in your freedoms. I do. You’ve got to do what you have to do,” Trump said. “But, I recommend: take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good. Take the vaccines.

And that my Dear Sugilite is the very Crux of the issue.

If we are to accept your premise that Trump supporters will 'brainlessley follow their dear leader' - then why aren't Vaccination rates highest amongst Republicans/Trump supporters?

Trump's position is: I am going to do something for myself you are free to do what you feel is best (with the implied and accept the consequences therein).

I hold to a similar stance: That the Freedom to choose is fair and above the most important. And that includes the Freedom to choose the wrong choice.

August 2021, TDL issues the following.

Then follows that gem up with the pearler below

Is political blindness and breathtaking hypocrisy sports in the Special Olympics? Because you Mr TDL are a shoe in for a gold medal in each event - get on a plane, the games are not over yet mate!

I'm happy to rehash the argument and you know that I am - but I don't think there is any new ground for us to cover. But you know me - I'm happy to type, at length and pick apart whatever points you feel like raising - so there's no hypocrisy on my part.

pritch

1st September 2021, 12:34

Trump is DIRECTLY responsible for spreading the virus and killing the very people he swore an oath to protect.

Trump admitted he played the virus down. He said he did that so as not to panic people. While not actually just another lie, that is misleading. The only "people" he was worried about panicking were the ones involved in the stockmarket. So hundreds of thousands died to keep the stockmarket up.

A lawyer has made the case that Trump should be charged with negligent homicide. So to should Kristi Noem, Greg Abbott, and Ron DeSantis but the Justice Dept seems completely moribund.

Currently several elected representatives are actively advocating revolution. Such talk is alll over social media, and it seems is now a regular event at school board meetings. No doubt when something does happen the Justice Dept will again say they had no hint. Like January 6th though, everbody knew it was coming but them.

sugilite

1st September 2021, 12:41

If we are to accept your premise that Trump supporters will 'brainlessley follow their dear leader' - then why aren't Vaccination rates highest amongst Republicans/Trump supporters?
Many Trump supporters follow his words - stop being a dick. As for why are vaccinations not the highest among repubs, perhaps it is to do with the many senators, congress repubs and the likes of fox being anti vax riight now because it suits their political agendas. To imply that Trump supporters don't follow his words is being facetious in the extreme. You are determined to be a dick when it comes to this sort of thing.

Trump's position is: I am going to do something for myself you are free to do what you feel is best (with the implied and accept the consequences therein).

I hold to a similar stance: That the Freedom to choose is fair and above the most important. And that includes the Freedom to choose the wrong choice.
Are you the president of the USA? No? Cool, you are perfectly entitled to your wrong choices, just as well, you make many :devil2: (sorry, could not resist)
Trump on the other hand had a obligation to protect his citizens. He did not.

I'm happy to rehash the argument and you know that I am - but I don't think there is any new ground for us to cover. But you know me - I'm happy to type, at length and pick apart whatever points you feel like raising - so there's no hypocrisy on my part.
Most of your points and pickaparts only make sense in your severely politicaly tainted logic, further more, many are deflections to boot (what about Biden, what about BLM, what about what about), so taking your deflection quote earlier, you most certainly are a hypocritical deflectionest.

TheDemonLord

1st September 2021, 13:45

Many Trump supporters follow his words - stop being a dick. As for why are vaccinations not the highest among repubs, perhaps it is to do with the many senators, congress repubs and the likes of fox being anti vax riight now because it suits their political agendas. To imply that Trump supporters don't follow his words is being facetious in the extreme. You are determined to be a dick when it comes to this sort of thing.

No, I'm using a real world example to disprove your claim the Trump supporters follow his words.

I disagree that it's due to being anti-vax, I'd suggest it's more to do with a distrust of when certain groups are all in perfect lock-step with each other.

Are you the president of the USA? No? Cool, you are perfectly entitled to your wrong choices, just as well, you make many :devil2: (sorry, could not resist)
Trump on the other hand had a obligation to protect his citizens. He did not.

(I know you couldn't :P )

No. He does not.

I mean this both literally and metaphorically:

Literally:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Metaphorically:

The role of Government as expressed in the US Constitution and the surrounding theory/philosophy follows from this statement "The function of Government is solely to protect the Natural rights of it's Citizens" - it says nothing about protecting the Citizens, only protecting their Rights.

See above in the Oath of Office - it's to defend the Constitution, not the People. Now, by protecting the Constitution and defending it, the people under the auspices of the Constitution have their Liberties maintained, to do with as they wish. If that means not wearing a Mask, catching a disease and dying, then they did so exercising their Freedoms.

This may seem Callous, but that is the price of Freedom - "The Tree of Liberty..." - there's a reason why that quote is so ingrained in the American Psyche.

Most of your points and pickaparts only make sense in your severely politicaly tainted logic, further more, many are deflections to boot (what about Biden, what about BLM, what about what about), so taking your deflection quote earlier, you most certainly are a hypocritical deflectionest.

Generally I use the whatabout argument to highlight the heavy bias in the Media and to show the hypocrisy of the issue - that certain behavior is permissible of you are in the allowed, prescribed political groups and verboten if you aren't.

I contend that Behaviour is either acceptable or unacceptable based on it's own merits, regardless of the Politics in question.

But seeing as you raised my Politically Tainted Logic - Have you decided on Critical Race Theory yet?

sugilite

1st September 2021, 18:19

^^ A pandemic arrives such as the world has never seen before. New situations can and do bring up the need for new laws. I love how TDL rages against new laws/mandates that are designed to protect people and launches absurdities such as masks somehow prevent freedom :rolleyes: The masks are socialists ways to control people, whine, whine. Democrats use masks as devices of virtue signalling snivel, snivel. Right wing websites brainwash otherwise smart people - oh wait, that one is true :laugh:

Which bias are you talking about mate, the left wing media, or the right? They are pretty much as bad as each other. I've not looked into critical race theory as I'm fairly immune to fearful white repubs bleats. My admittedly extremely limited knowledge of it is it has been around for years, but the repubs have only just recently turned it into an issue.
I have however witnessed first hand the systemic racism leveled at black people every day for nearly 2 years while I was there. Trust me, the black people have an absolute rock solid case to be complaining about it.
But put the boot on the other foot for 2 minutes, and TDL is all in on that shit - give me a break. :weird:

FJRider

1st September 2021, 18:41

I hold to a similar stance: That the Freedom to choose is fair and above the most important. And that includes the Freedom to choose the wrong choice.

If that wrong choice only affects you ... or one of your family members ... no issues.

Your family ... your problem.

But ... if YOUR wrong choice affects people OUTSIDE of your family group ... you might be held responsible.

But ... I'm guessing you won't give a fuck anyway.

eldog

1st September 2021, 19:32

If that choice only...
But ... I'm guessing you won't give a fuck anyway.

are they free?

pritch

1st September 2021, 22:13

The US Republicans are beating up Critical Race Theory as some sort of threat. They say it's being taught in schools, Senator Ron Johnson R Wisconsin, has actually said it's being taught in kindergarten.

CRT is a university level subject, serious books have been written about it and no, I haven't read them. That's OK, it's very unlikely any of the Republicans have either. It's just one of the many options offered to students studying for a law degree.

Some of the southern states are banning any mention of slavery, lynchings, or any other unpleasantness in school history lessons. Those states are generally ranked bottom for educational attainment in the US so it probably won't make much difference anyway.

husaberg

1st September 2021, 22:23

Some of the southern states are banning any mention of slavery, lynchings, or any other unpleasantness in school history lessons. Those states are generally ranked bottom for educational attainment in the US so it probably won't make much difference anyway.

Odd those states are the ones that tend to go on about a cancel culture.
Maybe its okay to be an edit culture. Where you just go and edit out those bits you don't want to admit happened.

TheDemonLord

2nd September 2021, 11:13

^^ A pandemic arrives such as the world has never seen before.

Wut.

Never seen before?

Wut???

That's such a historically inaccurate statement that I'm tempted to just ignore the rest of the post.

New situations can and do bring up the need for new laws.

Viruses aren't new. Every year we get Flu season - it's even got a morbid nickname 'Old Man's Friend' - because every year Old people catch it, they may not die directly from it, but the complications arising from it are very common. There are some aspects of the policies I can agree with, the complete over-reaction, however - I cannot.

And I'll give an example - Someone I know is an essential worker, they have children and no option for childcare, they have to send them to school in L3 conditions. Their child got sent home for a snot Nose. Now they can't work.

Why? Because under L3 the MoH has zero tolerance for any displays of any illness, regardless of whether it's related to COVID in any way. I'm not sure about you - but I certainly get sniffles in Winter - I'm sure you have too.

It's the overreaction that I have an issue with - the countrywide lockdown for a single case, now with time, there are more cases - but only in Auckland and Wellington - why is the rest of the country still in Lockdown?

I love how TDL rages against new laws/mandates that are designed to protect people and launches absurdities such as masks somehow prevent freedom :rolleyes:

Perhaps I'd prefer that they stopped trying to protect me and started protecting my Freedoms. How would you feel if they stopped you from Riding a Motorbike - afterall it's a new law - designed to protect people. It's the same Logic.

Perhaps that is a better illustration of how I feel.

The masks are socialists ways to control people, whine, whine. Democrats use masks as devices of virtue signalling snivel, snivel. Right wing websites brainwash otherwise smart people - oh wait, that one is true :laugh:

Why is there such a tight correlation between the displays of Mask wearing and Political view?

When it comes to actual masks - I think it's the N95 grade - those are fine - they stop 99.99 something percent, other 'proper' masks are about 60% effective and a homemade cloth mask (remember this is advocated on the Government Website) - actually increases the risk (from memory, it's because it's porous enough to allow the droplets through, but the fibres hold onto the droplets, prolonging the exposure to the wearer).

I've got no issue with people in high-risk areas (Medical staff, Aged Care workers etc.) requiring proper PPE. I can also stretch to things like on public transport - especially flying, needing a Mask (Enclosed space, long periods of time, recirculated air).

The Wider mask mandates, I'm not a fan of. I have no issue with individual choice, but Mandates - not so much.

Which bias are you talking about mate, the left wing media, or the right? They are pretty much as bad as each other.

As a topical example: The Taliban have a Twitter Account, Trump does not.
It's not just about Media (although the Media as a whole has a left-wing slant, despite a few Right-Wing channels existing), but Social Media, The Corporate world - there has been a slow creep of intersectional ideology (which traces it's roots all the way back to Marxism)

I've not looked into critical race theory as I'm fairly immune to fearful white repubs bleats. My admittedly extremely limited knowledge of it is it has been around for years, but the repubs have only just recently turned it into an issue.
I have however witnessed first hand the systemic racism leveled at black people every day for nearly 2 years while I was there. Trust me, the black people have an absolute rock solid case to be complaining about it.

So we need to separate 2 things:

No one is denying that there are Racists and there is Racism. When you say 'Systemic' - what System, what specifically?

Then you have to ask, if this is the case, why are Asian Americans outperforming everyone in the US? Is the supposedly white-supremecist structural racist system benefitting Asians (and let's remember the hangovers of the persecutions of the American Japanese during WW2, and the animosity towards Asians due to Vietnam)

However CRT - you should look into - because you aren't immune to it, under that world view - you are inherently racist - I know you aren't Racist, you might say you aren't racist - but under the Auspices of CRT, you are.

But put the boot on the other foot for 2 minutes, and TDL is all in on that shit - give me a break. :weird:

TheDemonLord

2nd September 2021, 11:16

sugilite

2nd September 2021, 16:04

Wut.

Never seen before?

Wut???

That's such a historically inaccurate statement that I'm tempted to just ignore the rest of the post.
Kind of a shame you didn't. The first virus in modern times to spread across the World effecting pretty much every country. Did not think I had to spell it out, but there you go.

It's the overreaction that I have an issue with - the countrywide lockdown for a single case, now with time, there are more cases - but only in Auckland and Wellington - why is the rest of the country still in Lockdown?
You acknowledge one case became many. Delta has kicked every other countries arse that had previously had a successful elimination strategy. And now you want the rest of the country opened up. In this case are being a complete wally. I'm good with the current status of the lockdown.

Perhaps I'd prefer that they stopped trying to protect me and started protecting my Freedoms. How would you feel if they stopped you from Riding a Motorbike - afterall it's a new law - designed to protect people. It's the same Logic.

With your views - "Why is the rest of NZ still in lockdown?" Wallies need protecting from themselves and from them harming others.

Why is there such a tight correlation between the displays of Mask wearing and Political view?
Because wallies are so wound up in politics that they cannot separate politics from a public health issue. As you would know.

As a topical example: The Taliban have a Twitter Account, Trump does not.
He simply could not behave eh. He was warned, he continually ignored and pushed on, then got pushed out. I have no problem with that. Not being a twitter kind of guy, I've not looked at the Taliban feed, but I can only assume they are behaving better than Trump. Not hard.

No one is denying that there are Racists and there is Racism. When you say 'Systemic' - what System, what specifically?
I should of read the definition for that. I simply meant widespread/ingrained. I saw it first hand. It was so ingrained, the majority of the white people were oblivious to what they were doing. For instance the large mural in the local post office depicting slaves working in the fields. I could not believe it when I saw that. Most of the postal workers in the branch were black. I talked to several of them about it - it was illuminating listening to their response.

Then you have to ask, if this is the case, why are Asian Americans outperforming everyone in the US?
I would say determination DESPITE the widespread racialism leveled against them. Do you get much feedback from Asians on the right wing leaning forums and news sites you visit?

However CRT - you should look into - because you aren't immune to it, under that world view - you are inherently racist - I know you aren't Racist, you might say you aren't racist - but under the Auspices of CRT, you are.
Actually I'm open to myself having some racist leanings, I think just about everyone on the planet does, whether intentional or not. Certain things are ingrained in us that would absolutely be perceived as being racist by other cultures. I get told off by my kids quite often. I think they are being too sensitive, but are they?

pritch

3rd September 2021, 09:00

Wut.

1) And I'll give an example - Someone I know is an essential worker, they have children and no option for childcare, they have to send them to school in L3 conditions. Their child got sent home for a snot Nose. Now they can't work.

2) How would you feel if they stopped you from Riding a Motorbike -

3) As a topical example: The Taliban have a Twitter Account, Trump does not.

So much nonsense in one post but just three examples:

1) So the kid gets a test, if negative it goes back to school - no problem. Unless you want to create one?

2) They did. A minor piss off. Life goes on. Today is a lovely day, I'll go for a walk instead.

3) An absurdity. Trump consistently breached Twitter's terms of service. His account was allowed to continue because he was the president and because of the public interest in his 'official' utterings. He was told that when no longer president he would need to comply, he did not. He's gone. FGJ.

F5 Dave

3rd September 2021, 13:55

pritch

3rd September 2021, 14:29

all designed to frustrate the reader.

It works. :whistle:

Laava

3rd September 2021, 14:42

pritch

3rd September 2021, 19:56

Like when a school separated students by Race, because of the ideas present in CRT.
Like School Teachers having 'Racial Pride' flags.

Nah. Now your just making shit up. Again. And again, most teachers would know nothing about CRT it's a law school subject.

Just one more thing to keep the deplorables, theirs and ours, worked up.

husaberg

3rd September 2021, 21:47

TDL can string a sentence together quite well. Hes clearly not as stupid as he makes out he is.

He's just trolling, pretending to be a complete fuckwit to try get a rise.

That's why hes been on ignore. I can only see when he is quoted, and it follows the same pattern.

Feigned ignorance, logic fallacy, support of pariahs, general stupidity all designed to frustrate the reader.

Yep, agree.
If he was anywhere near as accomplished as he sets himself up to be, you can 100% be sure he wouldn't be posting his bullshit prolifically on a motorbike forum!

TDLR is a internet troll?, Never really considered it, but its a plausible theory as to why he posts the twaddle he does.
Although most trolls do not post such text walls he sems to spend a extrordinary amount of time posting his responses.
There was a news item on Fox the other day suggesting internet trolls have poor sexual performance and are smaller than average peckers it all seem to add up. Fox does know republicans.

sugilite

9th September 2021, 17:36

Trump is coming back - really!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8BLmC6QBWk

pritch

12th September 2021, 20:10

Today was the twentieth anniversary of 9/11, you may have noticed. It did seem a little odd that neither of the finalists in the US Open tennis today was even born then.

Anyhoo, all of the living US presidents attended a commemoration somewhere in the US. Well, all except one. Your guess which one.

TheDemonLord

14th September 2021, 07:37

Anyhoo, all of the living US presidents attended a commemoration somewhere in the US. Well, all except one. Your guess which one.

Does spending time with the New York Fire and Police departments, in recognition for their heroism on that day, somehow not count as commemorating the event?

sugilite

14th September 2021, 08:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nsesc-ouLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSefxUxE_50

pritch

14th September 2021, 08:50

Does spending time with the New York Fire and Police departments, in recognition for their heroism on that day, somehow not count as commemorating the event?

Only to the hard of thinking. Having not attended any of the organised events, and realised he was taking criticism for same, he visted some first responders and made a rambling, incoherent, self pitying, speech. And yes, I have seen it.

That is not the same thing as attending the official functions. Not close.

TheDemonLord

14th September 2021, 18:44

Only to the hard of thinking. Having not attended any of the organised events, and realised he was taking criticism for same, he visted some first responders and made a rambling, incoherent, self pitying, speech. And yes, I have seen it.

That is not the same thing as attending the official functions. Not close.

You're right, it's not - it's spending time with the Commoners - the actual heroes, as opposed to naval gazing in an Ivory tower.

Have you seen the bits where the Police and Firefighters are bantering with him? They (the First responders) had quite a few interesting things to say about Biden...

husaberg

14th September 2021, 19:37

“Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his job as president?”
Among college graduates, a mere 30% approved of Trump’s job performance, and 67% disapproved.
Even among non-graduates, only 42% approved of Trump, and 52% disapproved.

"Leading the nation in times of crisis."
College graduates preferred Biden as a leader during a national crisis by a margin of 66% to 32%. Non-college graduates also preferred Biden over Trump, but by a much closer (49% to 46%) margin.

pritch

14th September 2021, 21:46

Y
Have you seen the bits where the Police and Firefighters are bantering with him? They (the First responders) had quite a few interesting things to say about Biden...

Yes I already said so. Sadly though, those bits are probably only of interest to the cognitively challenged.

sugilite

15th September 2021, 11:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5DNPW1UvEs

pritch

15th September 2021, 11:32

Just imagine...

Viking01

15th September 2021, 12:16

Just imagine...

I'm not defending Trump, but it rather begs the question as to which US politician you would suggest as being admirable (or capable of doing a good job) - in the interests of the majority (and not the minority).

pritch

15th September 2021, 12:56

I'm not defending Trump, but it rather begs the question as to which US politician you would suggest as being admirable (or capable of doing a good job) - in the interests of the majority (and not the minority).

South Park summed it up when they pointed out that in US presidential elections there is only ever a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. This is not how it was designed to be, but the two main parties have worked to make it that way. Independents and third parties have zero chance at present.

None of the Republican crop come close to "admirable". They have bowed at the feet of their false idol and are consequently corrupted. The answer therefore needs to be a Democrat. History in the USA would suggest the choice needs to be male and white, although there may well be outstanding candidates who don't fit either category or both thereof.

Historically candidates have been chosen from the ranks of governors, senators, or mayors of major cities, people perceived to have a history of leadership. It might be interesting to look through those ranks to find a likely candidate. None of those sufficiently prominent to spring to mind right now seem viable, but I'm not up with the minor players who could break through. The US may have already had its last " free and fair" election anyway. Even allowing that US elections have never been particularly free or fair.

F5 Dave

15th September 2021, 12:56

Viking01

15th September 2021, 13:31

South Park summed it up when they pointed out that in US presidential elections there is only ever a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. This is not how it was designed to be, but the two main parties have worked to make it that way. Independents and third parties have zero chance at present.

None of the Republican crop come close to "admirable". They have bowed at the feet of their false idol and are consequently corrupted. The answer therefore needs to be a Democrat. History in the USA would suggest the choice needs to be male and white, although there may well be outstanding candidates who don't fit either category or both thereof.

Historically candidates have been chosen from the ranks of governors, senators, or mayors of major cities, people perceived to have a history of leadership. It might be interesting to look through those ranks to find a likely candidate. None of those sufficiently prominent to spring to mind right now seem viable, but I'm not up with the minor players who could break through. The US may have already had its last " free and fair" election anyway. Even allowing that US elections have never been particularly free or fair.

Pritch,
Thanks for your reply. Well covered.
I'm not so sure I personally agree that the answer needs to be a Democrat, but I understand the logic of your reply.
Cheers, Viking

pritch

15th September 2021, 16:44

I'm not so sure I personally agree that the answer needs to be a Democrat, but I understand the logic of your reply.

Unless the Democrats wake the Hell up it likely won't be a Democrat. Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley would likely be as authoritarian as Trump but, unlike Trump, they are actually considered competent. Even if Hawley, with his expensive ivy league education, uses words like "irregardless". Front runner other than Trump is DeSantis, which is astounding considering he made Florida the world epicentre of the pandemic.

sugilite

16th September 2021, 10:13

So much to admire.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lppotL_0ijs

pritch

16th September 2021, 10:49

So much to admire.....

An excellent clip.

Last night I listened to Rachel Maddow talking about Woodward and Costa's new book "Peril". We knew that after Trump's presidency we would learn of even more insane things that happened under his watch. It seems the time is right.

Following the events of Jan 6th the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Milley, called his opposite number in China to reassure him. The Chinese were worried that Trump might launch a strike against China to boost his chances of staying in power.

Trumps behaviours had become so erratic that Milley called a meeting of the Joint Chiefs and sought their assurance that should an order be issued for a strike no action would be taken immediately.

If this all seems unreal you need to consider though that Nixon, drunk, ordered a nuclear strike against Russia then went to bed. The staff, after discussion, decided to wait until morning before checking to see if Nixon still wanted the strike to proceed. He didn't. The world had a lucky escape.

Yet Trump, although clearly having lost touch with reality, could again be elected president.

Viking01

16th September 2021, 11:53

An excellent clip.

Last night I listened to Rachel Maddow talking about Woodward and Costa's new book "Peril". We knew that after Trump's presidency we would learn of even more insane things that happened under his watch. It seems the time is right.

Following the events of Jan 6th the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Milley, called his opposite number in China to reassure him. The Chinese were worried that Trump might launch a strike against China to boost his chances of staying in power.

Trumps behaviours had become so erratic that Milley called a meeting of the Joint Chiefs and sought their assurance that should an order be issued for a strike no action would be taken immediately.

If this all seems unreal you need to consider though that Nixon, drunk, ordered a nuclear strike against Russia then went to bed. The staff, after discussion, decided to wait until morning before checking to see if Nixon still wanted the strike to proceed. He didn't. The world had a lucky escape.

Yet Trump, although clearly having lost touch with reality, could again be elected president.

Pritch,
Instead of watching Rachel Maddow, couldn't you have watched a movie on NetFlix like the rest of us ? You'd have still gotten your daily dose of fiction. :msn-wink:

On the subject of nuclear weapons, it seems that Scotty has decided that Australia should join the nuclear club as well.

First, we had the France / UK / US grouping (with its unfortunate acronym), and now we have AUKUS (which doesn't rhyme quite nearly as well).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814

France will not be impressed, given the heave-ho:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628

Guess that Scotty also wanted to show that Australia wasn't in the pockets of the fossil fuel (oil, gas and coal) industries, and that Australia was a country using nuclear technology. Possibly another unfortunate acronym.

sugilite

16th September 2021, 13:12

Unless the Democrats wake the Hell up it likely won't be a Democrat. Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley would likely be as authoritarian as Trump but, unlike Trump, they are actually considered competent. Even if Hawley, with his expensive ivy league education, uses words like "irregardless". Front runner other than Trump is DeSantis, which is astounding considering he made Florida the world epicentre of the pandemic.

I cannot think of any republicans that would do a good job, they are too busy brown nosing Trump. The only dem I can think of that I would consider to do a good job is Katie Porter, but I doubt the dems would run her as their big corp mates would put the kibosh on that for fear they might be dragged into paying fair wages and taxes - perish the thought.

I can only assume the giant douche and turd sandwich options that their political system throws up is by design, who's design is anybodies guess.

R650R

16th September 2021, 16:35

On the subject of nuclear weapons, it seems that Scotty has decided that Australia should join the nuclear club as well.

First, we had the France / UK / US grouping (with its unfortunate acronym), and now we have AUKUS (which doesn't rhyme quite nearly as well).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814

France will not be impressed, given the heave-ho:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628

Guess that Scotty also wanted to show that Australia wasn't in the pockets of the fossil fuel (oil, gas and coal) industries, and that Australia was a country using nuclear technology. Possibly another unfortunate acronym.

There have been some great mini docos on Aussie news channels about the French sub deal. Massive cost over runs, not fit for purpose and they keep getting delayed. Forget the numbers but the $$$$ already blown we’re big and nasty exit clauses I think....

Haven’t read Cindy’s predictable reasons why we not in the deal but missed opportunity to get big $$ to offer a facility for RnR coupled with food resupply. You’d be naive to think that thing won’t be patrolling in our waters anyway....

The boys in the new P8 Poseidon’s will be thinking twice before they drop depth charges out back door lol

Viking01

17th September 2021, 09:30

No surprise, especially given yesterday's AUKUS announcement:

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/9/16/china-applies-to-join-trade-deal-abanoned-by-trump

pritch

17th September 2021, 10:21

I can only assume the giant douche and turd sandwich options that their political system throws up is by design, who's design is anybodies guess.

The Kochs were prominent, and there are other names that keep surfacing. Then there are the organisations representing interest groups: the NRA, the Jewish lobby, big pharma, and the insurance industry for openers. Somebody suggested that politicians should have their sponsors logos on their suits like racing drivers. Then we could all see who they are actually working for.

R650R

17th September 2021, 21:00

https://youtu.be/Byd_G2shoVc

Laava

17th September 2021, 22:47

Really? Still pushing the Trump barrow?
You should be aware that under the top layer of fruit, everything else has rotted from the bottom up.

pritch

18th September 2021, 18:34

Pritch,
Instead of watching Rachel Maddow, couldn't you have watched a movie on NetFlix like the rest of us ? You'd have still gotten your daily dose of fiction. :msn-wink:

I do watch movies on Netflix. Sometimes I haven't already seen them before. The BBC or Maddow are later, no video, sound only.

F5 Dave

18th September 2021, 21:04

Really? Still pushing the Trump barrow?
You should be aware that under the top layer of fruit, everything else has rotted from the bottom up.
Cult of Trump. Cult of Christ and his demons.

pritch

19th September 2021, 21:17

It seems that a crowd of tens of people turned out for the big demo in support of Trump's January 6th insurrectionists. More portaloos than people?

I see a Boogaloo Boi is looking at fifty years in the big house for threatening to kill cops. He didn't actually attempt it, but he's been charged as if it was a hate crime which ups the penalty. Crazy.

It's something of a conflict that "the land of the free" has more people imprisoned than any other country on the planet. Thousands of them have been found guilty of nothing, they are there simply because they can't make bail.

It can't really be called "the home of the brave" anymore either. Electing a five time draft dodging coward to the presidency put a dent in that.

TheDemonLord

20th September 2021, 09:17

There have been some great mini docos on Aussie news channels about the French sub deal. Massive cost over runs, not fit for purpose and they keep getting delayed. Forget the numbers but the $$$$ already blown we’re big and nasty exit clauses I think....

Haven’t read Cindy’s predictable reasons why we not in the deal but missed opportunity to get big $$ to offer a facility for RnR coupled with food resupply. You’d be naive to think that thing won’t be patrolling in our waters anyway....

The boys in the new P8 Poseidon’s will be thinking twice before they drop depth charges out back door lol

In case anyone is interested in all things Submarine:

I Highly recommend Aaron Amick from Sub Brief: https://www.youtube.com/c/SubBrief

He's an ex-sonarman from a 688 Los Angeles class Sub, he started off playing a Sub Sim (Cold Waters) but has changed into more of a Naval/Military News outlet, he also does long-form lecture series about different historical Submarine classes (although these are first released on his Patreon, before being gifted to us mere plebs)

He's done 3-4 videos on the Australian Sub debacle - and the TL;DW is - he's really excited to see Australia join the Nuclear fleet.

R650R

20th September 2021, 10:25

It seems that a crowd of tens of people turned out for the big demo in support of Trump's January 6th insurrectionists. More portaloos than people?

.

An interesting comment on another channel.... “mainstream media gave free exposure to the upcoming event which they rarely do for fringe groups, hence the only people there were FBI agents and their patsy for their organised event”

Why on earth would any legitimate protestors turn up to celebrate a failed event that ended in bad publicity. Has the ever been any recorded celebrations of previous protest marches on any subject in world let alone a failed one? Just doesn’t make sense...

R650R

20th September 2021, 10:30

In case anyone is interested in all things Submarine:

I Highly recommend Aaron Amick from Sub Brief: https://www.youtube.com/c/SubBrief

He's an ex-sonarman from a 688 Los Angeles class Sub, he started off playing a Sub Sim (Cold Waters) but has changed into more of a Naval/Military News outlet, he also does long-form lecture series about different historical Submarine classes (although these are first released on his Patreon, before being gifted to us mere plebs)

He's done 3-4 videos on the Australian Sub debacle - and the TL;DW is - he's really excited to see Australia join the Nuclear fleet.

I thought he was just some chubby Internet blogger. Waffles too much for me...
You and others here might like Building Integrity, proper licensed engineer done great analysis of the champagne towers collapse in Florida. If you frequent parking garages or live in apartment complex he has great info on earning signs of structural failures and also things that fatigue/age concrete structures.

pritch

20th September 2021, 12:12

An interesting comment on another channel.... “mainstream media gave free exposure to the upcoming event which they rarely do for fringe groups, hence the only people there were FBI agents and their patsy for their organised event”

The RWNJ social media suddenly decided that the whole thing could be a have. Apparently the paranoid right were too paranoid to attend their own protest.

I used to keep an eye on Parler to see what the nutters were up to, but since that died I can't be bothered signing up to any of the others. They have been plagued with problems, be it infighting between funders, technical difficulties, or major security lapses. They can keep their delusions to themselves - and the FBI who have their own problems now.

husaberg

20th September 2021, 17:25

Why on earth would any legitimate protestors turn up to celebrate a failed event that ended in bad publicity. Has the ever been any recorded celebrations of previous protest marches on any subject in world let alone a failed one? Just doesn’t make sense...
whatever...........
Especially funny considering Trumpor organised the protest and march that lead to the attempted insurrection as a result of the protest of him losing the election.

Our hearts and minds are with the people being persecuted so unfairly relating to the January 6th protest concerning the Rigged Presidential Election,” Trump said in a statement on Thursday. “In addition to everything else, it has proven conclusively that we are a two-tiered system of justice. In the end, however, JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL!”
Former President Donald Trump on Thursday called Saturday’s ‘Justice for J6’
Trump said in an interview with the Federalist. “If people don’t show up they’ll say, ‘Oh, it’s a lack of spirit.’ And if people do show up they’ll be harassed.”
Saturday’s rally has reignited concerns about another wave of violence on Capitol Hill as law enforcement prepares for the event. It’s being planned by “Look Ahead America,” a nonprofit led by a former Trump campaign staffer

Hundreds of Trump’s supporters, emboldened by his baseless claims that the 2020 election was stolen, charged law enforcement and stormed the Capitol on January 6 in a failed effort to stop members of Congress from certifying President Joe Biden’s election victory.

1,000. That’s how many assaults on law enforcement officers during the January 6 attack were captured by police body camera footage, federal prosecutors said in a court filing earlier this month. Nearly 200 people have been charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding officers.

pritch

23rd September 2021, 15:19

One could be forgiven for thinking Trump had enough legal problems but no, he's heading to court to sue his neice and the NY Times for 100 million. It's mildly surprising that he found a lawyer to take the case: his lawyers don't always get paid, his recent lawyers are facing being struck off.

The bar for suing public figures is higher than for peasantry like thee and me. Trump has to prove "actual malice" so the court papers allege this. For a newspaper to print a story that it already knew was false could amount to actual malice, but that doesn't appear to have happened in this case. The wording of the court papers suggest Mary Trump "smuggled" the papers out of her lawyers office, but she was entitled to one copy of everything involved in Fred Trump's will.

The general feeling of legal commentators is that this boat won't float. We may never know, it may just slowly sink from view.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300413648/trump-sues-estranged-niece-ny-times-over-records-behind-2018-tax-story

pzkpfw

24th September 2021, 09:27

... The general feeling of legal commentators is that this boat won't float. We may never know, it may just slowly sink from view. ...

Release the <strike>kraken</strike> bung!

R650R

24th September 2021, 10:07

This is what Trumps border wall would have stopped. Now Biden’s softness and political correctness has created a crisis, 10,000 super spreaders trying to bust in just 8 days after he cancelled deportation flights....
They tried to cover it up with a FAA ban on Fox News drone flights who’ve been their filming for two weeks then they realised that made them look worse

https://youtu.be/XrBrIc4FIDc

pritch

24th September 2021, 12:54

This is what Trumps border wall would have stopped.

Trump's border wall, such as it is, is there. At least the parts that didn't blow over in the wind are still there. It isn't working, it never was.
Can you not believe the evidence of your own eyes?

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - George Orwell

TheDemonLord

24th September 2021, 14:30

Can you not believe the evidence of your own eyes?

Didn't happen under Trump.
Happened under Biden.

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - George Orwell

Indeed...

george formby

24th September 2021, 14:38

BBC photo article from Tejas.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58654351

US Haiti envoy has quit. Beeb again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58667660

sugilite

25th September 2021, 03:34

Bwah haahaa, this is priceless, the controversial Arizona "recount" found even more votes for Biden. You just can't make this shit up :laugh:
Trump loses again :killingme

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/24/republican-audit-arizona-bigger-lead-biden

pritch

25th September 2021, 09:03

Bwah haahaa, this is priceless, the controversial Arizona "recount" found even more votes for Biden. You just can't make this shit up :laugh:
Trump loses again :killingme

Surely no politician ever did more losing than Trump. I'm not getting my hopes up too much about that Arizona fraudit yet. Those figures came from a draft copy of the report. These people being who they are, the final version due today(?) might say anything.

Meanwhile Trump has had Governor Abbott agree to recounts in Texas. Trump won Texas!

Then not to be outdone, Lauren Boebert has published her impeachment papers. She wants to impeach Biden. Or something.

Laava

25th September 2021, 11:11

Fucken hell, american politics is such a clown show! They should take a leaf out of russias book and only have one candidate and then everyone can vote for him.

pritch

25th September 2021, 11:27

Fucken hell, american politics is such a clown show! They should take a leaf out of russias book and only have one candidate and then everyone can vote for him.

Trump was sorta working on that. He even mentioned it several times. He wanted extra terms, or to be made prssident for life. He was Russia's man in the White House after all.

Listening to some US podcasts it's becomng clear what a bunch of crooks and kooks had access to the White House during Trump's tenure. It explains announcements made at various times by Trump and Pence. The announcements seemed odd at the time, now we are learning where the ideas came from.

R650R

26th September 2021, 10:09

Trump was sorta working on that. He even mentioned it several times. He wanted extra terms, or to be made prssident for life. He was Russia's man in the White House after all.
.

The same was said by both sides about Bush junior and Obama that if they kicked off WW4 with Iran during their second terms that could occur.

R650R

26th September 2021, 10:17

Trump's border wall, such as it is, is there. At least the parts that didn't blow over in the wind are still there. ll

Love to see evidence of this, thanks in advance :)

All I can see is one brief clip of a very small section Incomplete or perhaps a test element. Any major infrastructure construction is vulnerable in its early stages.

pritch

26th September 2021, 10:31

The same was said by both sides about Bush junior and Obama that if they kicked off WW4 with Iran during their second terms that could occur.

That was never said by anybody sane. Trump himself floated various versions of the idea of extended terms. He used that technique to gauge public opinion, if the idea didn't create outrage it became a possibility. He mentioned extended terms on a number of occasions, so presumably the backlash was insufficient to disuade him.

He's still banging on that he won the election even in the face of repeated humiliation. I see the daffy cow Republican politician who came up with the the Arizona fraudit wants another one now.

pritch

26th September 2021, 21:03

Love to see evidence of this, thanks in advance :)

All I can see is one brief clip of a very small section Incomplete or perhaps a test element. Any major infrastructure construction is vulnerable in its early stages.

A "very small section" would be significant because there was ony a vary small amount of new wall built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL40lQNIVNc

husaberg

27th September 2021, 17:23

off a feed just posted by sugalitei think
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAN2kcvVEAUpvFg?format=jpg&name=small
About what you expect from propaganda Barbie

pete376403

27th September 2021, 18:11

Pesky alternative facts again.

sugilite

27th September 2021, 18:38

Stand by for more Losing trump :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZzVfxst8g4

pritch

29th September 2021, 09:07

Visited my Gmail page today, a rare event, and find it's full of stuff like this. Obviously they've got the wrong guy 'cause I ain't Jose. No way Jose.
If I'm one of Trump's most loyal supporters he's in worse trouble than I thought.

There are other exciting options, such as an offer to buy a signed copy of Josh Hawley's book. Yeah right!

🚨 IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED 🚨

Dear Jose, are you really going to pass up the opportunity to become a Trump Life Member?

We’ve sent you several emails and have never heard back. You’ve always been one of President Trump’s most loyal supporters, so we thought there must be some mistake.

We’ve decided to give you one FINAL chance to activate your Trump Life Membership, but you’ll have to hurry. This offer expires at 11:59 PM TONIGHT! After that, it’s gone.

Please contribute $5 or more by 11:59 PM TONIGHT to activate your Trump Life Membership & help your Party retake Congress in 2022. >>

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Thank you,

sugilite

29th September 2021, 16:55

Loses to a Woman, a black woman no less.
Yet another turd in the orange fuckers cornflakes. He will be biting his pillow in anguish tonight :laugh:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-loses-case-against-omarosa-who-wrote-tell-all-white-n1280277

sugilite

30th September 2021, 07:29

The Dems are so stupid.
Just leak the calls and say oppps and deprive the prick a platform - Job done.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/29/first-thing-trump-plans-to-sue-to-keep-capitol-attack-records-secret

pritch

30th September 2021, 07:42

[QUOTE=sugilite;1131191423]The Dems are so stupid.
Just leak the calls and say oppps and deprive the prick a platform - Job done.

It's just the normal Trump playbook, delay, obfuscate, delay some more. If he loses he'll appeal. Same ol' same ol'.

When he was president he defied all subpoenas and instructed his minions to do likewise. The Democrats didn't push back. This time at the first sign of obstruction they should slap back hard but...

Apparently last time round they weren't sure of the loyalty of the congressional police. Subsequent events show they had good reason. This time they should be hardline, any police who don't like it should be out on their arse.

Easy for me, I've got no skin in the game.

R650R

1st October 2021, 09:08

https://youtu.be/ysNHE17cxCo

husaberg

3rd October 2021, 17:36

https://youtu.be/v1d7UvKWh6M
17 months of a study reveal what we all thought.

pritch

4th October 2021, 08:00

It's reported that Kraken releasing lawyer Sidney Powell has been banned from all Trump buildings. She must have wanted to be paid?

husaberg

4th October 2021, 17:38

It's reported that Kraken releasing lawyer Sidney Powell has been banned from all Trump buildings. She must have wanted to be paid?

One of Trumps other stars.
349744
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/mellissa-carone-campaign-kick-off-tickets-183839949237

if she doesn't look familiar here she is a little worse for wear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-ezgAJaBQ

pritch

5th October 2021, 08:47

husaberg

5th October 2021, 19:51

Jenna Ellis now claims to be a constitutional law expert. She worked in a low level rural court handling the usual traffic violations, thefts and assaults.

Another Trump lawyer, Lin Wood, has apparently stated that the World Trade Centre towers were not brought down by Al Qaeda, the aircraft were CGI. He thinks the Pentagon was hit by a missile.

Trump said his legal team was making him look stupid. He got that right.

"Only the best people"

In fairness i m not totally convinced anyone could make him look smart.
why else would he not want his School records released.

After all Barack Obama Graduating from Columbia University in 1983, where he majored in political science with a specialty in international relations and in English literature He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1983 and a 3.7 GPAIn 1988, he enrolled in Harvard Law School, where he was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. After graduating, Magna Cum Laude from the Law School in 1991 he became a civil rights attorney and an academic, teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004.

or we have Bill Clinton
With the aid of scholarships, Clinton attended the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., receiving a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service degree in 1968. Upon graduating from Georgetown in 1968, Clinton won a Rhodes Scholarship to University College, Oxford, where he initially read for a B.Phil. in philosophy, politics, and economics but transferred to a B.Litt. in politics and, ultimately, a B.Phil. in politics. Clinton also received an offer to study at Yale Law School, Yale University. After Oxford, Clinton attended Yale Law School and earned a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree in 1973 After graduating from Yale Law School, Clinton returned to Arkansas and became a law professor at the University of Arkansas.

Trump claimed to have graduated at the top of his class, unfortunately, we know this is a complete and total fabrication, not an exaggeration, a total fabrication he never even made the deans list he wasnt cume Laude or Magna cum laude and certainly wasn't Suma Cum laude.

pritch

6th October 2021, 06:16

Random unrelated recent reports:

Trump Tower, Fifth Avenue, NY, has been placed on a credit watch by the banks because of low occupancy.

Forbes Magazine has removed Trump from their top 400 rich list.

The FBI has raided the offices of the NYPD union.

pritch

6th October 2021, 15:39

Further detail on that raid on an NYPD Union office (and the home of the union head). The mayor will be whistling while he works.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10063319/Firebrand-head-one-NYPDs-biggest-unions-steps-FBI-raid-office-home.html

pritch

12th October 2021, 08:59

This is eight minutes long but even if you don't like Bill Maher it's worth a look. He is pretty much right on with his description on what has been happening with changes to the electoral system in various states. Even if all of his predictions don't happen as he says, there is enough for the Yanks to be genuinely concerned about. The Democrats though are just carrying on as if nothing has changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cR4fXcsu9w

pritch

13th October 2021, 19:41

There's a pattern developing. Trumps former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, has been banned from Trump properties. I'm guessing he too has asked to be paid.

An aspiring Trumpist poitician reportedly has the answer to the problem of rising sea levels. He says if they take all of the boats out of the sea the level will drop.

pritch

16th October 2021, 10:34

So much winning? Trump Tower Vancouver has closed and is boarded up. The Mayor of New York has announced that the company that runs NY's homeless shelters has taken over management of Trump's Ferry Point golf course.

Trump is not happy with the NY mayor, or the upcoming George Staphanopoulis interview with Christopher Steele. Steele is a former British intelligence operative and was author of the report linking Trump to kompromat. Trump has taken to blurting out, unasked, that he doesn't like golden showers.

husaberg

16th October 2021, 11:18

So much winning? . Trump has taken to blurting out, unasked, that he doesn't like golden showers.

I wouldn't believe a thing that came out of his mouth let alone the dribbles of urine.:whistle:

pritch

18th October 2021, 07:49

Saw one the other day.

What's the difference between a chick pea and a garbanzo bean?

Trump hasn't had a garbanzo bean on his face.

pritch

18th October 2021, 19:06

So this guy suddenly wants to convince us he's not into golden showers?

pritch

20th October 2021, 13:49

With all of the grace and style to which we have become accustomed. Which is to say none. Trump's comments on the death of Colin Powell. And an appeal for cash.

Laava

20th October 2021, 15:41

Yes, he has managed to showcase, unwittingly, all his faults in one paragraph. spite, greed and megalomania.
What a grade A arsehole. Oops, maybe I shouldn't be mean about Jason-au,s man crush?

F5 Dave

20th October 2021, 19:00

Hopefully his wish to be treated like that comes sooner rather than later.

husaberg

20th October 2021, 19:41

Fareed Zakaria, asked Mr. Powell if Republican Party members “realize that in a sense they caused, that they encouraged at least this wildness to grow and grow,” referring to Mr. Trump’s chaotic governance, which culminated in the violence last week.
Mr. Powell, 83 and a longtime Republican Party member, replied, “They did, and that’s why I can no longer call myself a fellow Republican.”
Mr. Powell, a retired four-star general who served in President George W. Bush’s White House and twice endorsed Barack Obama’s successful presidential bids, said he was not looking at recent events through a lens of partisan politics.Mr. Powell said. “I’m just a citizen who has voted Republican, voted Democrat, throughout my entire career, and right now I’m just watching my country and not concerned with parties.”
He added that Republican officials, “should have known better” than to support Mr. Trump, “none of them wanted to put themselves at political risk” by speaking out against him.
“We need people that will speak the truth,” Mr. Powell added.

Trump like Kim Kardashian is all ass no class.

pritch

22nd October 2021, 08:08

Trump's new Twitter replacement project "Truth Social" is reportedly financed by a Chinese businessman, from Wuhan of all places. There have been some initial difficulties, names like Donald Trump and Mike Pence have been registered by people other than those. It was hacked almost immediately, has crashed, and had a security breech. The kids have been amusing themselves immensely.

The site uses Mastodon (sp?) software but is in breach of the licencing conditions. Mastodon have already contacted their lawyers. Like Trump needs another court action.

I'm tempted to join but nah. I'd have to queue behind all the FBI agents.

R650R

22nd October 2021, 16:53

husaberg

22nd October 2021, 17:08

https://www.psypost.org/2021/06/study-indicates-donald-trump-was-the-main-anti-vaccination-influencer-on-twitter-in-2020-61032
Study indicates Donald Trump was the main anti-vaccination influencer on Twitter in 2020

yet

Donald Trump has revealed for the first time that he received the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine before he left the White House.

“Well, I got the Pfizer and I would have been very happy with any of them,” the former president told Yahoo Finance Live.

Then guess what another Trump wet fish flipflop

"People are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don't trust his Administration, they don't trust the Election results, and they certainly don't trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth."

F5 Dave

22nd October 2021, 17:37

husaberg

22nd October 2021, 17:49

He doesn't care if you live or die. He's a true sociopath. Yet people thought that he was one of them not the establishment.

Bwahahahaha.

No. He's a cock. And he hates people just like us. And you .

But maybe not me. I have good bladder control and I'd happily take a piss on him.

I am not 100 convinced he is socialised enough to be a sociopath. More malignant narcissist or psychopath.
Its rather telling that he was able to rise to be president.
the lack of guilt or empathy and morals might help short term but they are pretty easy to see through in the long term.
maybe his dads many loans of 100's of millions of dollars helped smooth over such flaws

sugilite

22nd October 2021, 17:54

Trumps new social network is off to a great start :laugh:

The company announced grand ambitions to “unify” the conservative media market and compete with tech and media giants as varied as Facebook and Disney. But in the short term, the company’s product was less than impressive: Its social network, called Truth Social, was defaced by pranksters within hours of its launch. Visitors saw a video of a pig defecating, supposedly posted by “donaldjtrump.”

F5 Dave

22nd October 2021, 17:57

So, 3rd time lucky with a big platform competitor,? 8th time?

Maybe he should employ a 12yr old hacker. And not pay him.

Oh looksee? Seems you are still vulnerable.

LOSER.

pritch

22nd October 2021, 19:49

Why would they join when they already have CIA controlled Facebook to play with?

Because the kind of fuckwits who turned up to do Trump's bidding on January 6th will join this new "free speech" platform.

pritch

23rd October 2021, 10:25

Trump's legal bills must be reaching astronomical levels. He's facing no less than ten civil court actions. Additionally there are criminal investigations by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, the New York Attorney General, and an election interference investigation in Georgia. "Just find me 11,780 votes."

NY State has taken over management of a golf course from the Trump Organisation, and now there's Westchester County. Trump owns another golf course in Westchester County NY. To ascertain local property taxes the county sends an assessor. Trump objected that the assessment was too high. Ten times too much. He claimed the golf course was only worth 1.4 million dollars. That is interesting because on the statement of assets he filed with the government he put the value of that same golf course at 'over fifty million dollars'. Big difference. Too big to go unnoticed? The District Attorney of Westchester County has opened a criminal tax fraud investigation.

F5 Dave

23rd October 2021, 19:27

He must be running out of money to borrow. Creditors aren't stupid when they realise that he can't pay it back.

pritch

24th October 2021, 11:22

He must be running out of money to borrow. Creditors aren't stupid when they realise that he can't pay it back.

That's why every "Statement by Donald J Trump 45th President of the United States of America" carries a link to enable a donation. And why they have inundated sites like GMail with appeals/threats seeking donations.

An email from Donald J What'shisname

Jose,

Joe Biden is a complete and total disaster. He doesn’t even know where he is most of the time.

Because of him, we have gone from America First to America Last with Americans stranded in Afghanistan, the Southern Border out of control, and prices on the rise.

Everything is on the line right now, and I need your help if we’re going to have a huge win in the midterms and put a stop to Joe’s destructive America LAST agenda.

Please contribute ANY AMOUNT in the NEXT HOUR to stand with me in the fight against Joe Biden’s America LAST agenda. >>

DONOR FILE
SUPPORTER: Jose Jiminez
MEMBER ID: 60043950 - 2021
CONTRIBUTION STATUS: $0

CONTRIBUTE NOW >>

CONTRIBUTE $20

CONTRIBUTE $15

CONTRIBUTE $10

CONTRIBUTE $5

CONTRIBUTE ANY AMOUNT

As one of my most loyal supporters, I need you to step up before it’s too late and join your Party and me in the fight for our shared America First principles.

Jose, don’t wait until it’s too late.

Contribute ANY AMOUNT RIGHT NOW to help fight back against Joe Biden’s America LAST agenda.

Thank you,

Donald J. Trump

And no I'm fucking definitely not Jose.

F5 Dave

24th October 2021, 17:16

No way, something something

R650R

25th October 2021, 09:01

Because the kind of fuckwits who turned up to do Trump's bidding on January 6th will join this new "free speech" platform.

You do realise intelligence agencies don’t need to ‘belong’ to any site to read what’s going on. The only time they ‘join’ a site is to befriend and setup a mentally ill patsy as latest scapegoat.
Quite funny seeing all the local crims slowly being rounded up after using “encrypted” communication apps for several years 😂😂😂😂

husaberg

25th October 2021, 15:04

https://i.imgur.com/wZ3hapW.jpg

husaberg

25th October 2021, 15:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7FvR8hkr6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXZXT3D0UE

pritch

25th October 2021, 17:16

QUOTE=R650R;1131192270] You do realise intelligence agencies don’t need to ‘belong’ to any site to read what’s going on. The only time they ‘join’ a site is to befriend and setup a mentally ill patsy as latest scapegoat.[/QUOTE]

The NSA are the people who read everybody's mail as a prime task. If the FBI want to keep an eye on what the idiots are up to they will join too. They will also write national security letters but we aren't allowed to know about those. It's almost a requirement that the people who join TRUTH will be mentally challenged.

. Quite funny seeing all the local crims slowly being rounded up after using “encrypted” communication apps for several years

Are you referring to this? The gift that keeps on giving.

https://au.pcmag.com/security/87584/fbi-sold-criminals-fake-encrypted-phones-that-actually-copied-their-messages

sugilite

20th November 2021, 13:58

Ahhh, the serious Trump loving republican congresswoman :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68SGehy0J3I

husaberg

21st November 2021, 11:34

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-53ea549e4bce03a34e9799d79ac98c36-lqhttps://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-27bfa983b7f6eef3e545dfa328043b6c-lq

TheDemonLord

21st November 2021, 19:41

Cope

I don't really need to add anything more...

husaberg

21st November 2021, 21:02

https://media.okmagazine.com/brand-img/66EYqGINN/2160x1456/2020/10/donald-trump-introduces-kids-ivanka-eric-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-photo-em-01-1024x690.jpg

husaberg

4th December 2021, 11:01

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4a45ac8d8c6a38d67f33f0381863729d-lq

pritch

6th December 2021, 15:31

Trump has written a book. No, let me rephrase that, there is a new Trump book. In a way it's very Trump, it's a picture book. The pictures were reportedly taken by official photographers or otherwise obtained at the tax payer's expense. At least it's not a colouring book.

R650R

6th December 2021, 23:13

You all laughed st the Space Force But..,,

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/12/the-shadow-war-in-space-every-day-russia-china-use-lasers-jammers-dangerous-stunts/

sugilite

7th December 2021, 06:18

You all laughed st the Space Force But..,,

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/12/the-shadow-war-in-space-every-day-russia-china-use-lasers-jammers-dangerous-stunts/

How can we take an article seriously when at the top left of it are the words "Fauci appoints himself God of Science".
When a mod fixing a link for you somehow turns into "censorship" don't you think it might be time to consider you have a problem with what is real and what is not?

pritch

7th December 2021, 07:14

How can we take an article seriously when at the top left of it are the words "Fauci appoints himself God of Science".
When a mod fixing a link for you somehow turns into "censorship" don't you think it might be time to consider you have a problem with what is real and what is not?

Mad Marge wants Fauci arrested and charged. She neglected to menton what for.

pritch

7th December 2021, 07:19

This is all over Twitter. It's is the official Trump Christmas card. If you think it resembles an ejaculating penis you are not alone. It's so bad it must be sabotage surely.
The look on his face suggests he missed the bit about the season of goodwill.

TheDemonLord

7th December 2021, 08:09

Mad Marge wants Fauci arrested and charged. She neglected to menton what for.

Lying to Congress I believe.

There's been quite a bit of debate about the whole Gain of Function research. From what I've read, Fauci appears to be using a technical loophole to say it's not Gain of Function, namely that if the addition of a particular protein to an existing virus isn't know to increase it's potency, then it's technically not gain of function.

Others (particularly Rand Paul) have been grilling Fauci over this, claiming he lied to Congress as the modification of an existing Virus is gain of function.

If I take the most neutral position - it seems very clear that Fauci and co were operating in a grey area, both in the legal sense and the Moral.

As for the God of Science meme - I think the actual statement bears scrutiny:

So it’s easy to criticize, but they’re really criticizing science because I represent science.

That's an interesting phrase, something that a Prophet or Cult Leader might say...:

So it’s easy to criticize, but they’re really criticizing God because I represent God.

pritch

7th December 2021, 12:07

Lying to Congress I believe.

There's been quite a bit of debate about the whole Gain of Function research. From what I've read, Fauci appears to be using a technical loophole to say it's not Gain of Function, namely that if the addition of a particular protein to an existing virus isn't know to increase it's potency, then it's technically not gain of function.

Others (particularly Rand Paul) have been grilling Fauci over this, claiming he lied to Congress as the modification of an existing Virus is gain of function.

If I take the most neutral position - it seems very clear that Fauci and co were operating in a grey area, both in the legal sense and the Moral.

As for the God of Science meme - I think the actual statement bears scrutiny:

That's an interesting phrase, something that a Prophet or Cult Leader might say...:

I did watch the exchanges between Fauci and Rand Paul and It did seem Fauci was performing a delicate dance. Rand Paul though is a charlatan, every time he appears I think it’s time his neighbour had another chat.

Meanwhile it seems the SEC is investigating the financing of Trumps new media operation.

TheDemonLord

7th December 2021, 12:25

I did watch the exchanges between Fauci and Rand Paul and It did seem Fauci was performing a delicate dance. Rand Paul though is a charlatan, every time he appears I think it’s time his neighbour had another chat.

I've got very little opinion on Rand Paul - however putting aside the Charlatan claim, he is/was a Doctor and his grilling of Fauci did come across as being well understood on the subject matter.

Delicate Dance is being far more charitable than I think is warranted.

Meanwhile it seems the SEC is investigating the financing of Trumps new media operation.

Of course they are... Nothing suspicious there, whatsoever.

pritch

7th December 2021, 15:03

I've got very little opinion on Rand Paul - however putting aside the Charlatan claim, he is/was a Doctor and his grilling of Fauci did come across as being well understood on the subject matter.

Delicate Dance is being far more charitable than I think is warranted.

Don't put the charlatan claim aside, it's relevant. Rand Paul qualified as an eye doctor, an ophthalmologist I believe. To practice as such it is required that he join the appropriate national body. He didn't do that, he set up his own alternate organisation run by himself and his wife - or some very similar arangement to that.

You might consult Rand Paul about an eye problem, I wouldn't. He certainly has no qualifications as an epidemiologist.

F5 Dave

7th December 2021, 18:32

TDL has such a bad case of Confirmation bias that he claims who he likes as an expert..

husaberg

7th December 2021, 19:18

TDL has such a bad case of Confirmation bias that he claims who he likes as an expert..
Not only that, he picks and choses the times he believes people like quoting the US supreme court one minute, then claiming he knows better then them later on....
https://www.simplypsychology.org/confirmation-bias.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs:512x270/rscb30/ng:webp/ngcb30
https://web.colby.edu/cogblog/files/2020/11/6a01156e439be2970c01bb09b71225970d.jpg

TheDemonLord

8th December 2021, 06:29

Don't put the charlatan claim aside, it's relevant. Rand Paul qualified as an eye doctor, an ophthalmologist I believe. To practice as such it is required that he join the appropriate national body. He didn't do that, he set up his own alternate organisation run by himself and his wife - or some very similar arangement to that.

You might consult Rand Paul about an eye problem, I wouldn't. He certainly has no qualifications as an epidemiologist.

So, according to you, he's qualified as an Eye Doctor.

What does one have to do to become qualified as an Eye Doctor? Well, from my understanding you need to do some form of 'entry level' Bachelor of medical science or bachelor of Surgery or equivalent, which covers some of the fundamentals about how Viruses work.

I believe both Epidemiologists and Opthamologists both go through the same initial degree before specializing.

This would give Rand (by your own admission) enough professional knowledge to have a well-informed opinion on the subject.

But let's even put that aside - Let's analyze the interaction that we've both seen on the assumption that Rand Paul doesn't have any professional or medical knowledge on the issue: Why did Fauci have to dance around the Question? Surely Fauci would have been able to give a definite answer as to why what they acknowledge they were doing wasn't gain-of-function.

This is why your Charlatan claim is completely irrelevant.

TheDemonLord

8th December 2021, 06:39

TDL has such a bad case of Confirmation bias that he claims who he likes as an expert..

Except I didn't...

If you are going to read what I post, then you might want to read it more carefully.

See, I've not said I favour Rand or Fauci - I'm saying that based on (and I'll use Pritch's description here) "Fauci was performing a delicate dance", From that Fauci appears at worst to be outright lying and at best seems to be muddying the water.

If Fauci is correct and it wasn't gain-of-function, then that appears to be on a technicality. Whether or not you give this technicality credence is up to you - given Fauci's evasion and avoidance, I'm inclined not to.

And I'll re-iterate, this is not due to any like or dislike of their respective expertise, but purely on the basis of how they handled the questioning.

If Rand is correct and it was Gain-of-function, then Fauci has lied in front of congress.

TheDemonLord

8th December 2021, 06:39

Not only that, he picks and choses the times he believes people lie quoting the US supreme court one minute then claiming he knows better then the later on....

Lies built on lies built on misunderstanding.

husaberg

11th December 2021, 21:32

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pritch

12th December 2021, 07:29

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-923af533211570d110e8f893dcaec284-lq

husaberg

12th December 2021, 10:23

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fe9da98f3fc8b9702d2f70a34853c874-lq

pritch

12th December 2021, 13:09

TheDemonLord

12th December 2021, 13:38

Paul is lucky Biden, unlike Trump, offers assistence to any state not just those that voted for him.

I seem to remember Trump offering to send in Federal Assistance during the BLM riots, only for the Democrat Governors to decline...

Those same Democrat Governors then graciously accepted the assistance from Biden.

So, if I take the article at face value, it's par for the course.

pritch

12th December 2021, 14:27

I seem to remember Trump offering to send in Federal Assistance during the BLM riots, only for the Democrat Governors to decline...

Those same Democrat Governors then graciously accepted the assistance from Biden.

So, if I take the article at face value, it's par for the course.

The federal assistance Trump offered was unidentified people, plain clothes, in unmarked vehicles, kidnapping people off the street. Nothing legal about, that but not unusual for Trump.

husaberg

12th December 2021, 18:10

The federal assistance Trump offered was unidentified people, plain clothes, in unmarked vehicles, kidnapping people off the street. Nothing legal about, that but not unusual for Trump.

Isnt it odd that in al these protest for BLm that numbers at 2000 separate mostly peaceful protests over the whole of the US how many police officers were killed yet one trump endorsed storming of the congress leads to police dying.
It's a bit of a uncomfortable truth. But the right doesn't like the storming of the capital encouraged by trump being mentioned.

TheDemonLord

12th December 2021, 19:46

Isnt it odd that in al these protest for BLm that numbers at 2000 separate mostly peaceful protests over the whole of the US how many police officers were killed yet one trump endorsed storming of the congress leads to police dying.
It's a bit of a uncomfortable truth. But the right doesn't like the storming of the capital encouraged by trump being mentioned.

You may wish to refresh your memory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers)

TheDemonLord

12th December 2021, 19:54

The federal assistance Trump offered was unidentified people, plain clothes, in unmarked vehicles, kidnapping people off the street. Nothing legal about, that but not unusual for Trump.

Er, I'm talking about the time he extended the offer to Chicago, and was declined. Same with Kenosha (although in fairness, that was accepted after initially being declined).

And just so we are clear (and for Husa's benefit) the Death Toll due to the BLM riots is at least 25 (some put it higher at closer to 50)

F5 Dave

12th December 2021, 20:00

I cant read the above. But I'll make a punt.

Blah blah, willfully stupid, blah, prejudice, blah, plain nonsensical interpretation of events.

How did I score out of 10?

husaberg

12th December 2021, 20:05

I cant read the above. But I'll make a punt.

Blah blah, willfully stupid, blah, prejudice, blah, plain nonsensical interpretation of events.

How did I score out of 10?
i don't read him either but i am picking you scored far more with that post than the incel scored in the last 10 years

pritch

12th December 2021, 20:49

Er, I'm talking about the time he extended the offer to Chicago, and was declined. Same with Kenosha (although in fairness, that was accepted after initially being declined).

I was talking about Portland but he also had a Gestapo like ad hoc focre in DC.

pritch

12th December 2021, 21:18

Someone mentioned BLM protests?

https://t.co/BYoTPzXebR

R650R

12th December 2021, 21:32

Some may not grasp what arseholes some of these US politicians are. Rand Paul, well known charlatan, has made a career of taking dubious positions. He has a history of voting no on disaster relief, that's the job of charities. Now that it's his state that's hit he has written to the President requesting assistance. He's not alone, Cruz voted against assistance for New York after a hurricane but, he voted yes on assistance for Texas.

Paul is lucky Biden, unlike Trump, offers assistence to any state not just those that voted for him.

https://www.rawstory.com/rand-paul-2655999297/

Looks like Biden’s dark winter just arrived with directed energy weapon weather modification. Largest ever on ground tornado for 200km. Roads surprisingly been clear of debris, debri vacumned up to airliner transit altitudes and deposited 9km away....

R650R

12th December 2021, 21:33

You may wish to refresh your memory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers)

Nice.... 🤣💯😉😂😀😆😁😄😃

Laava

12th December 2021, 22:47

Looks like Biden’s dark winter just arrived with directed energy weapon weather modification. Largest ever on ground tornado for 200km. Roads surprisingly been clear of debris, debri vacumned up to airliner transit altitudes and deposited 9km away....
Best you get buildin yerself a bunker then! Or just some tin foil on your bonce oughta do it!
Also find it hilarious that the link you have on your sig line for Trump donations is as dead as your ldols brain!

pete376403

12th December 2021, 22:48

Looks like Biden’s dark winter just arrived with directed energy weapon weather modification. Largest ever on ground tornado for 200km. Roads surprisingly been clear of debris, debri vacumned up to airliner transit altitudes and deposited 9km away....

"directed energy weapon weather modification" - fuck you really are batshit crazy. Of course the US Military (who else) would develop this weapon and try it out on - Kentucky?
As punishment for voting for Trump perhaps?

TheDemonLord

13th December 2021, 07:14

I was talking about Portland but he also had a Gestapo like ad hoc focre in DC.

Okay, let's put aside your claims of illegality for the moment - what is your comment on the Mayor of Portland (a Massive Lefty) allowing rioting and lawlessness?

There's an abdication of responsibility that caused the initial events, If the Mayor had done their Job, No Federal assistance would have been needed.

So, yeah - what say you?

R650R

13th December 2021, 07:17

Best you get buildin yerself a bunker then! Or just some tin foil on your bonce oughta do it!
Also find it hilarious that the link you have on your sig line for Trump donations is as dead as your ldols brain!

I find it hilarious that someone who thinks their smarter actually clicked on it at all LMFAO.

It’s a supersize combo of clickbsit trigger for the stalkers/lurkers/echos in here that contribute nothing to a debate except hatred and out of context quotes. I’ll have to get a new one now you stepped on it lol
Trump is not my idol, his style his more entertaining and watchable than the slow motion train wreck of captain Alzheimer’s Biden....
ALL politicians are packs of under performing liars and robbers of public money. Just some are more preferable flavours than others much like alcohol and cigars we know are bad for us too...,
Mentioning trump though is like kryptonite against any lefty snowflakes in a hundred mile radius and like moths drawn to a flame you all can’t stay away.

Look at the Biden thread, most of pro trump posters put a few things in there or entertainment value but it’s dead by comparison to here in Trump thread. It’s a metaphor for the whole left paradigm of politics. One photoshopped meme of hatred after another cause that’s all the left knows ....

TheDemonLord

13th December 2021, 07:17

I cant read the above. But I'll make a punt.

Blah blah, willfully stupid, blah, prejudice, blah, plain nonsensical interpretation of events.

How did I score out of 10?

That would be a Zero - all I needed to do was point to real world events where a BLM activist shot 5 police because they were police which, by even Husa's Terrible logic - puts the tally at 5:1 against BLM when it comes to Dead Police Officers.

And thus making BLM 5 times worse than Trump.

i don't read him either but i am picking you scored far more with that post than the incel scored in the last 10 years

This obsession with me and my Sexuality is very telling - but if you are going to pick an insult, you should pick one that is factually accurate, I have Children - therefore that negates me from being an Incel, by the very definition of the word.

F5 Dave

13th December 2021, 11:53

I find it hilarious that someone who thinks their smarter actually clicked on it at all LMFAO.

It’s a supersize combo of clickbsit trigger for the stalkers/lurkers/echos in here that contribute nothing to a debate except hatred and out of context quotes. I’ll have to get a new one now you stepped on it lol
Trump is not my idol, his style his more entertaining and watchable than the slow motion train wreck of captain Alzheimer’s Biden....
ALL politicians are packs of under performing liars and robbers of public money. Just some are more preferable flavours than others much like alcohol and cigars we know are bad for us too...,
Mentioning trump though is like kryptonite against any lefty snowflakes in a hundred mile radius and like moths drawn to a flame you all can’t stay away.

Look at the Biden thread, most of pro trump posters put a few things in there or entertainment value but it’s dead by comparison to here in Trump thread. It’s a metaphor for the whole left paradigm of politics. One photoshopped meme of hatred after another cause that’s all the left knows ....

In other words your link in signature is synonymous with your posts: misinformation with nothing behind it.

Why do you post here? You can't think anyone takes you seriously as more than a deluded windbag.

husaberg

13th December 2021, 16:22

I find it hilarious that someone who thinks their smarter actually clicked on it at all LMFAO.

It’s a supersize combo of clickbsit trigger for the stalkers/lurkers/echos in here that contribute nothing to a debate except hatred and out of context quotes. I’ll have to get a new one now you stepped on it lol
Trump is not my idol, his style his more entertaining and watchable than the slow motion train wreck of captain Alzheimer’s Biden....
ALL politicians are packs of under performing liars and robbers of public money. Just some are more preferable flavours than others much like alcohol and cigars we know are bad for us too...,
Mentioning trump though is like kryptonite against any lefty snowflakes in a hundred mile radius and like moths drawn to a flame you all can’t stay away.

Look at the Biden thread, most of pro trump posters put a few things in there or entertainment value but it’s dead by comparison to here in Trump thread. It’s a metaphor for the whole left paradigm of politics. One photoshopped meme of hatred after another cause that’s all the left knows ....
You are only fooling yourself
The fact that you are a constant troll on KB yet post zero motor cycle content means you have some serious psychological problems
Maybe time you face up to why you are needing the negative attention.

Laava

13th December 2021, 16:32

I find it hilarious that someone who thinks their smarter actually clicked on it at all LMFAO.

It’s a supersize combo of clickbsit trigger for the stalkers/lurkers/echos in here that contribute nothing to a debate except hatred and out of context quotes. I’ll have to get a new one now you stepped on it lol
Trump is not my idol, his style his more entertaining and watchable than the slow motion train wreck of captain Alzheimer’s Biden....
ALL politicians are packs of under performing liars and robbers of public money. Just some are more preferable flavours than others much like alcohol and cigars we know are bad for us too...,
Mentioning trump though is like kryptonite against any lefty snowflakes in a hundred mile radius and like moths drawn to a flame you all can’t stay away.

Look at the Biden thread, most of pro trump posters put a few things in there or entertainment value but it’s dead by comparison to here in Trump thread. It’s a metaphor for the whole left paradigm of politics. One photoshopped meme of hatred after another cause that’s all the left knows ....
Trollolol. By the way, nobody actually likes Biden, there is very little he could do wrong to plummet to the level of the former clown tho. Why the fuck do you post here if not for us to sneer at?

TheDemonLord

13th December 2021, 18:54

there is very little he could do wrong to plummet to the level of the former clown tho.

And yet, he's managing to do all of it, and more - in spectacular fashion.

R650R

14th December 2021, 11:26

Trollolol. By the way, nobody actually likes Biden, there is very little he could do wrong to plummet to the level of the former clown tho. Why the fuck do you post here if not for us to sneer at?

Ho ho ho you all abandoning your messiah now it obvious he’s in decline..... how typical for commies to cast aside someone once they’ve served their purpose....
Allegedly 84million voters liked him.....,

F5 Dave

14th December 2021, 11:58

We all said Biden was a slug before the election. Find one post where someone here sung his praises.

It's just that he was set to beat the orange crook as his best achievement.

By the way. We didn't vote in the US elections.

You really have a skewed perception of reality.

pete376403

14th December 2021, 12:06

e....
Allegedly 84million voters liked him.....,
Allegedly 88 million voters didn't

husaberg

14th December 2021, 16:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfaf0R0Folo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTAT6MqEnj0

husaberg

14th December 2021, 16:57

Ho ho ho you all abandoning your messiah now it obvious he’s in decline..... how typical for commies to cast aside someone once they’ve served their purpose....
Allegedly 84million voters liked him.....,
No one really gives a shit about biden but hes 20X the guy trump is
But how do you account for Bidens approval rating being nearly 10% ahead of trumps at the same stage of the presidency?
You know facts like real stats. don't favour trump neither did the votes

Laava

14th December 2021, 17:17

FJRider

14th December 2021, 19:45

Allegedly 88 million voters didn't

Irrelevant now ... he has the job.

Will he be just a one term president or not .. ???

Laava

15th December 2021, 13:39

Irrelevant now ... he has the job.

Will he be just a one term president or not .. ???
Lols, lets see if murica can come up with a better candidate than him!
:laugh::laugh::killingme:killingme:killingme

TheDemonLord

15th December 2021, 14:38

Lols, lets see if murica can come up with a better candidate than him!
:laugh::laugh::killingme:killingme:killingme

Unlikely, there aren't any real centrist Left Wingers anymore, and those that are get called Right Wing (see Tulsi Gabbard).

Just like Labour in the UK, the party base has been captured by the Corbynites/Corbynistas/Intersectional types.

Hell, most of Trump's policies wouldn't look out of place on the Democrat ticket of the 90s, yet he's considered 'Far Right'.

pritch

18th December 2021, 11:56

Unlikely, there aren't any real centrist Left Wingers anymore, and those that are get called Right Wing (see Tulsi Gabbard).

Hell, most of Trump's policies wouldn't look out of place on the Democrat ticket of the 90s, yet he's considered 'Far Right'.

The whole US political spectrum was skewed right. Biden would be right of centre in most western countries. Tulsi Gabbard has ties to Hindu extremists and was constantly on Fox, she is way right. Certainly her voters thought so and she got the arse. Now the GOP has gone full authoritarian.

I'm not sure what Trump policies you refer to. He didn't have many, all he considered was whether something would help him be reelected. The attachment is a recent "policy statement" from Trump. There are no policies it's basically just a list of lies. No changes there then.

F5 Dave

18th December 2021, 13:28

To be fair hydroxychloroquine does work for malaria. Not so common around these parts, or likely merca, but who knows these days.

What a fuking useless cunt. I cant believe anyone would not think he was any more than a conman. You'd have to be a very special kind of stupid to still think he was worth oxygen even if you were taken in at the start.

TheDemonLord

18th December 2021, 15:16

The whole US political spectrum was skewed right.

I've heard this before - perhaps in the 90s and 2000s, not now. One look at the policies advocated by the likes of the Squad shows how far LEFT the Democrats have shifted.

Biden would be right of centre in most western countries.

Biden himself? I could (if I was being extremely charitable) possible see that, but the apparatus of the Democrats? They've gone full retard Left.

Tulsi Gabbard has ties to Hindu extremists and was constantly on Fox, she is way right.

The only 'Extremists' I found, is Hindu groups that are opposed to Islamic Terrorists in India, not sure that counts as Extreme...

And she was on Fox?!? She must be Right Wing! The moment anyone appears on Fox, they instantly get deified as Right Wing...

Or it could be that Fox invites people on, and only the reasonable Left Wingers agree to go...

Certainly her voters thought so and she got the arse. Now the GOP has gone full authoritarian.

So the GOP has campaigned on Vaccine Mandates, Lockdowns and other restrictions of individual Freedoms?

No?

Not very Authoritarian then, whereas....

I'm not sure what Trump policies you refer to.

Okay - His Immigration policy - would be right up the alley of any 90s democrat.

His opposition to foreign interventions - I could go on, but you'll just dismiss all of them out of hand...

He didn't have many, all he considered was whether something would help him be reelected.

I mean... That's what Politicians do.... Enact Policy that will help them get re-elected...

The attachment is a recent "policy statement" from Trump. There are no policies it's basically just a list of lies. No changes there then.

I mean, compared to Biden, they look like 100% gospel truths....

pritch

18th December 2021, 15:25

I've heard this before - perhaps in the 90s and 2000s, not now. One look at the policies advocated by the likes of the Squad shows how far LEFT the Democrats have shifted.

Biden himself? I could (if I was being extremely charitable) possible see that, but the apparatus of the Democrats? They've gone full retard Left.

The only 'Extremists' I found, is Hindu groups that are opposed to Islamic Terrorists in India, not sure that counts as Extreme...

And she was on Fox?!? She must be Right Wing! The moment anyone appears on Fox, they instantly get deified as Right Wing...

Or it could be that Fox invites people on, and only the reasonable Left Wingers agree to go...

So the GOP has campaigned on Vaccine Mandates, Lockdowns and other restrictions of individual Freedoms?

No?

Not very Authoritarian then, whereas....

Okay - His Immigration policy - would be right up the alley of any 90s democrat.

His opposition to foreign interventions - I could go on, but you'll just dismiss all of them out of hand...

I mean... That's what Politicians do.... Enact Policy that will help them get re-elected...

I mean, compared to Biden, they look like 100% gospel truths....

None of that is worth arguing with. You've totally bought the propoganda. That's basically why you were on ignore. And probably why you'll go back there.

R650R

18th December 2021, 18:40

Irrelevant now ... he has the job.

Will he be just a one term president or not .. ???

Let’s just see if he manages to complete one first. Poor old bugger is in serious decline, even Sky News showed sympathy for the public horror show of his obvious poor health

F5 Dave

18th December 2021, 19:44

Yes hes a dick. No one likes Biden.

Butt fuk Trump is a complete fuking muppet. Evangelical Christians sold their souls to Satan because he supported anti abortion . And clearly that is more important than being Satan.

Pledge your love to Satan.

FJRider

18th December 2021, 19:44

Let’s just see if he manages to complete one first. Poor old bugger is in serious decline, even Sky News showed sympathy for the public horror show of his obvious poor health

On his salary ... he'll manage.

Presidential health care is pretty good.

TheDemonLord

18th December 2021, 20:51

None of that is worth arguing with. You've totally bought the propoganda. That's basically why you were on ignore. And probably why you'll go back there.

"MY PROPAGANDA IS TRUE! YOUR PROPAGANDA IS FALSE!"
-Pritch

Have you decided on what your standard of proof that CRT is one big Marxist lie yet? We could settle this point once and for all - but I suspect you'll decline once again because to set a standard opens up the possibility that I could be right (and then that would leave all sorts of quagmires as to other areas I might be right).

sugilite

19th December 2021, 20:12

TheDemonLord

20th December 2021, 06:18

I'm sure you are right TDL, Racism in the USA is a marxist hoax :laugh: Or is it because there are marxist leaders in BLM, it somehow justifies sweeping all the shit white people inflicted on them in the past under the carrpet? Nice save for the white people, whew!

No one says Individual Racists and Racism doesn't exist. That's a Strawman.

It's the claims of Structural Racism that is the Marxist Lie. In another thread I pointed out that one of the claims that the Legal System was a tool of White Supremacy was absurd, given that English Common Law predated the existence of 'Black People' in England by about 250 years.

We could look even further - the highest performing racial group of People in the US aren't White - Indian and Asians are at the top of the ladder in terms of average salary, academic achievement etc.

And it's not that 'there are Marxist leaders IN BLM', it's that 'Trained Marxists FOUNDED BLM', and then they stated their goals of taking down the 'Capitalist Patriarchal West', you know that the it's a Marxist organisation both in Conception and philosophy.

I'll grant you that not everyone who follows BLM is a Marxist - in fact, we have a name for them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot.

pritch

20th December 2021, 07:18

It's the claims of Structural Racism that is the Marxist Lie. .

QED

The delusion is strong in this one.

TheDemonLord

20th December 2021, 08:08

QED

The delusion is strong in this one.

Not really...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959354399093004

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03085147800000009

I could go on - but the Structural Oppression narrative (Structural Racism, Structural Sexism, Structural Homophobia, Structural Inequality, Structural Classism etc. etc.) all have their roots in Marxist Critique.

pritch

20th December 2021, 12:35

Not really...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959354399093004

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03085147800000009

I could go on - but the Structural Oppression narrative (Structural Racism, Structural Sexism, Structural Homophobia, Structural Inequality, Structural Classism etc. etc.) all have their roots in Marxist Critique.

Publishing nonsense proves nothing. Only an idiot, or a racist, would suggest structural racism doesn't exist in the US. Just as there are doctors who don't believe in vaccines, there are likely academics who blame everything on Marxism. After all, "One in five of us is mad."

Anyhoo, I'm not wasting any more time on idiocy.

FJRider

20th December 2021, 13:37

... It's the claims of Structural Racism that is the Marxist Lie. In another thread I pointed out that one of the claims that the Legal System was a tool of White Supremacy was absurd, given that English Common Law predated the existence of 'Black People' in England by about 250 years.

So ... you can ONLY be racist against BLACK people ... ??? :killingme

Does "English Common Law" predate the Irish/Scottish/Welsh existence in this period ... ??

Racism isn't dependent on skin colour. And many a battle was fought (in HATRED) between the English and the other three.

And ... a few groups of people on the other side of the channel as well.

Racial hatred would have been around in the times of the Roman presence in the area.

TheDemonLord

20th December 2021, 14:23

Publishing nonsense proves nothing.

Oh, I quite agree....

Except you believe the nonsense, so....

Only an idiot, or a racist, would suggest structural racism doesn't exist in the US. Just as there are doctors who don't believe in vaccines, there are likely academics who blame everything on Marxism. After all, "One in five of us is mad."

Anyhoo, I'm not wasting any more time on idiocy.

Has there been structural Racism? Sure - Segregation would be a prime example (also a bonus point - the first Essay in this (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/344652.Critical_Race_Theory) argues against Integration...)

But is there Structural Racism now? That is something that is yet to be proven, people point to unequal outcomes, but unequal outcomes are the result of a Free Society. Given that Asians and Indians are leading the way, it seems to suggest that the biggest determining factor is Cultural - rather than Structural.

TheDemonLord

20th December 2021, 14:37

So ... you can ONLY be racist against BLACK people ... ??? :killingme

No shit, that's essentially what the CRT/Intersectional types believe. Because they've redefined Racism to include Power Structures and therefore you can't be racist towards White People.

Does "English Common Law" predate the Irish/Scottish/Welsh existence in this period ... ??

Racism isn't dependent on skin colour. And many a battle was fought (in HATRED) between the English and the other three.

The problem here is when the Racism is phrased as 'White Supremacy' - And whilst we can all agree it's okay to hate the Gingers, in terms of Colour palette, the English, Welsh, Irish and Scots are all whitest of the white.

And ... a few groups of people on the other side of the channel as well.

Good point, it's okay to hate the French/Germans and anything Continental as well... (afterall - Marx, Engels, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida...)

Racial hatred would have been around in the times of the Roman presence in the area.

I can't wait for my reparations from Italy...

But again the problem is with the modern framing of Race to do with Skin Colour - and given that when most of the systems were developed (Modern Parliamentary Democracy, Common Law, Policing, Public Education - all English creations) there either was no people other than those who were white or such miniscule numbers that it would have in no way influenced the conceptualization of those systems.

In fact, there's a lovely bit of Archival Footage that I think really helps exemplify this:

https://youtu.be/ltVtnCzg9xw?t=1511

It's a training video, for WW2 American Soldiers on how to behave in the UK - and at around the 25 Minute Mark, it touches on Race Relations (again, this is from a 1940s American Perspective - before the Civil Rights movement) - The American gives the American view (which is very much 'of its time' and difficult to watch), but it then points out how the English perceive and interact with Race (in so much as we don't).

FJRider

20th December 2021, 16:36

No shit, that's essentially what the CRT/Intersectional types believe. Because they've redefined Racism to include Power Structures and therefore you can't be racist towards White People.

So ... Racism is about everything EXCEPT skin colour .. ???

I just thought it was about a dislike of someones Race.

The problem here is when the Racism is phrased as 'White Supremacy' - And whilst we can all agree it's okay to hate the Gingers, in terms of Colour palette, the English, Welsh, Irish and Scots are all whitest of the white.

I like used to like a ginger now and then. I'm married now ... so that's off the table ... :lol:

The Irish, welsh and scots were ok ... if you put something in their mouth to stop them talking ... :devil2:

As for the pom's ... I found they manage to talk even WITH their mouth full.

Good point, it's okay to hate the French/Germans and anything Continental as well... (afterall - Marx, Engels, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida...)

French girls ... :drool:

I can't wait for my reparations from Italy...

Good luck with that ... :yes:

But again the problem is with the modern framing of Race to do with Skin Colour - and given that when most of the systems were developed (Modern Parliamentary Democracy, Common Law, Policing, Public Education - all English creations) there either was no people other than those who were white or such miniscule numbers that it would have in no way influenced the conceptualization of those systems.

So ... the slave trade could be the base cause for the spread of racism.

In fact, there's a lovely bit of Archival Footage that I think really helps exemplify this:

I'm ex Army. I've seen similar movies ... I didn't watch your one though.

TheDemonLord

20th December 2021, 17:06

So ... Racism is about everything EXCEPT skin colour .. ???

I just thought it was about a dislike of someones Race.

That's what I thought too, in fact, that's what everyone who hasn't been indoctrinated with the Intersectional viewpoint thinks that...

But since the redefinition of Racism to include Power/Privilege... (https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism)

But don't worry, Pritch will be along in a minute to say that CRT isn't real and it doesn't mean what they say it means...

So ... the slave trade could be the base cause for the spread of racism.

In a strictly American Context, Maybe. In a wider Context - absolutely not.

I'm ex Army. I've seen similar movies ... I didn't watch your one though.

As is your want - I feel it paints a very clear picture of what actual racists (or if we are being charitable 'People of their time') viewed the English non-view on Race.

FJRider

20th December 2021, 19:54

That's what I thought too, in fact, that's what everyone who hasn't been indoctrinated with the Intersectional viewpoint thinks that...

So ... it's Not racism if one person hates another person because they are black (or white).

But it is racism if you hate another person because they are black (or white) ... and they have more power than you do ... ?

In a strictly American Context, Maybe. In a wider Context - absolutely not.

Not ALL slaves were from Africa.

Not ALL African slaves went to (what is now) America.

At the end of slavery ... the freedom to travel was also given. From all points where slavery was the norm. And those that had the chance to do so ... usually did.

Only the ignorant believe slavery was only in (what is now) America.

As is your want - I feel it paints a very clear picture of what actual racists (or if we are being charitable 'People of their time') viewed the English non-view on Race.

I have been a number of places where a whiteskin was very much NOT the local norm. How you talk to people ... how you treat them ... can not only make life easier for yourself ... but your very survival may depend on it.

I cannot claim to have changed a countries public opinion of whiteskins ... but I did change the perception of whiteskins ... that was held by a few with a brown skin. And I am happy with that.

However ... MY opinion of fat useless Islamophobic pricks will not change.

FJRider

20th December 2021, 20:25

... Segregation would be a prime example (also a bonus point - the first Essay in this argues against Integration...)

Would Living in the suburb of Otara ... be an example of Segregation or Integration ... ???

But is there Structural Racism now? That is something that is yet to be proven, people point to unequal outcomes, but unequal outcomes are the result of a Free Society. Given that Asians and Indians are leading the way, it seems to suggest that the biggest determining factor is Cultural - rather than Structural.[/QUOTE]

There is no “official” definition of structural racism ... nor is there of the similar concept of systemic and institutional racism ... although many definitions have been given.

As such ... as with the various "Definitions" of what is racist ... it is purely dependent on whom is giving the definition.

Usually ... by one that sees themselves as being as being at a political or personal disadvantage. A disadvantage "Obviously" due to their own skin color or race.

TheDemonLord

20th December 2021, 20:42

So ... it's Not racism if one person hates another person because they are black (or white).

But it is racism if you hate another person because they are black (or white) ... and they have more power than you do ... ?

Welcome to the Wacky World of Intersectionality, where when words are inconvenient, new definitions are created to suit their needs.

Not ALL slaves were from Africa.

Not ALL African slaves went to (what is now) America.

At the end of slavery ... the freedom to travel was also given. From all points where slavery was the norm. And those that had the chance to do so ... usually did.

Only the ignorant believe slavery was only in (what is now) America.

Sure, but that was never my claim - what makes the US a particularly interesting case study is how it rose to be a Global Super power and also how it went through a period of Civil Rights issues within recent memory.

But I stand by my earlier claim - Racism is/was a Human Universal, you can't blame Slavery for spreading Racism around the world.

Would Living in the suburb of Otara ... be an example of Segregation or Integration ... ???

Is it by choice or by Government Fiat?

There is no “official” definition of structural racism ... nor is there of the similar concept of systemic and institutional racism ... although many definitions have been given.

See above about the Intersectional/CRT types changing Definitions to words (especially ones they created) when it suits their need....

As such ... as with the various "Definitions" of what is racist ... it is purely dependent on whom is giving the definition.

Usually ... by one that sees themselves as being as being at a political or personal disadvantage. A disadvantage "Obviously" due to their own skin color or race.

See, I believe there is an objective definition of Racism: Treating people different, based on their Race. It's simple, concise and it covers everything.

The problem for the Intersectional types is that if you want to push, oh - I dunno, a Diversity Quota, that requires you to treat people based on their race, so a new definition is required where they can excuse themselves.

FJRider

20th December 2021, 21:50

Welcome to the Wacky World of Intersectionality, where when words are inconvenient, new definitions are created to suit their needs.

And those with the greater "Inconvenience" ... creating them. That can work both ways ... but it depends on ... to which point of view it is convenient. If it's the "Other" side ... it must be wrong.

... But I stand by my earlier claim - Racism is/was a Human Universal, you can't blame Slavery for spreading Racism around the world.

Racism is an unfair bias against another race. Purely based on on perceptions of that race ... usually instilled in a person by another family member. Or an attitude taught by the people you associate with.

Is it by choice or by Government Fiat?

It is by choice they leave it as soon as they possibly can. And their greatest claim of achievement is being able to leave the place.

See above about the Intersectional/CRT types changing Definitions to words (especially ones they created) when it suits their need....

And who gives the power to those "Made Up" words .. ?? those speaking or listening ... ??

See, I believe there is an objective definition of Racism: Treating people different, based on their Race. It's simple, concise and it covers everything.

It doesn't cover "Everything" ... the demand to be given more because they have less ... and making it a race issue when simple effort (read work) by themselves will help them achieve it.

The problem for the Intersectional types is that if you want to push, oh - I dunno, a Diversity Quota, that requires you to treat people based on their race, so a new definition is required where they can excuse themselves.

Sometimes people just need to work for what they want. There's no quota on that.

TheDemonLord

21st December 2021, 07:04

And those with the greater "Inconvenience" ... creating them. That can work both ways ... but it depends on ... to which point of view it is convenient. If it's the "Other" side ... it must be wrong.

Based on below, I'm fairly certain which definition you agree with, and it's not the Intersectional one...

Racism is an unfair bias against another race. Purely based on on perceptions of that race ... usually instilled in a person by another family member. Or an attitude taught by the people you associate with.

I have two issues with this statement - firstly the phrase 'Unfair', I don't think it's intentional per-se, but even if there was a fair Bias (let's go with Dutch people tend to be tall), treating them differently based purely on their heritage would still be wrong.

Secondly - there's some very strong evidence to suggest that In-group/Out-group preference is an Evolutionary Hang over, so to say it's 'Instilled', I don't agree entirely with that

It is by choice they leave it as soon as they possibly can. And their greatest claim of achievement is being able to leave the place.

Then that's the result of a Free society, where people have choices to make.

No problem with that.

And who gives the power to those "Made Up" words .. ?? those speaking or listening ... ??

It's a Chain: It starts in the Universities, then gets taught to Students, who go out into the real world and disseminate it, which then reinforces the claims by the Universities, who teach it to more students.

And eventually, it will come for something you enjoy....

It doesn't cover "Everything" ... the demand to be given more because they have less ... and making it a race issue when simple effort (read work) by themselves will help them achieve it.

Sometimes people just need to work for what they want. There's no quota on that.

Sounds like you're advocating for a Meritocracy... Welcome to the Freedom Club, unfortunately - that means that in the framing of Intersectionality, you are just as much a White Supremecist as you think I'm an Islamaphobe.

sugilite

21st December 2021, 07:09

It's the claims of Structural Racism that is the Marxist Lie. In another thread I pointed out that one of the claims that the Legal System was a tool of White Supremacy was absurd, given that English Common Law predated the existence of 'Black People' in England by about 250 years.

We could look even further - the highest performing racial group of People in the US aren't White - Indian and Asians are at the top of the ladder in terms of average salary, academic achievement etc.

ahhh, it comes back to the people implementing the system. Thousands upon thousands of black people are put into prison and denied freedoms because of white judges running roughshod over the "system".

And in your white privileged World, being able to point at the career success of Asians somehow overlooking the fact they often get verbally attacked, assaulted and spat upon on their daily commute to work. Your smugness in your points just highlights how systemic racism is so baked into society you are simply blind to the fact you are a large part of the problem. Talk about implementing a good ole "white-wash" over racism :rolleyes: Back to digging sand out your ears emu.

TheDemonLord

21st December 2021, 12:58

ahhh, it comes back to the people implementing the system. Thousands upon thousands of black people are put into prison and denied freedoms because of white judges running roughshod over the "system".

Is that a System issue or a problem with individual Judges?

And here's the Rub - if you can show me a Judge who has routinely shown bias against Defendants of a Certain Ethnicity, I'll be more than happy to join in the calls for them to Resign.

At this point though, If I were to be charitable in the calls of 'Systemic issues' - I'd say that Prosecuting DAs with aspirations of a Political Career would be my first call for a review.

And in your white privileged World, being able to point at the career success of Asians somehow overlooking the fact they often get verbally attacked, assaulted and spat upon on their daily commute to work.

By Whom?

Is it Hood Wearing White Supremecists?
Or is it people of a somewhat darker disposition?

The rooftop Koreans weren't shooting at White People...

Your smugness in your points just highlights how systemic racism is so baked into society you are simply blind to the fact you are a large part of the problem. Talk about implementing a good ole "white-wash" over racism :rolleyes: Back to digging sand out your ears emu.

Okay then, since we are talking about White Privilege and Systemic Racism - let's quote some examples from Peggy Macintosh who came up with it:

I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented

I guess she never heard of Rap, Hip Hop, RnB, Soul, Jazz, Gospel, Reggae etc. There's obviously just Classical Music, Rock and Metal \m/ (we don't talk about Folk or Country...)

I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

That's totally absurd - Every Parent has that ability, and this nothing to do with race.

If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area that I can afford and in which I would want to live.

Literally nothing to do with Race, everything to do with Economics.

I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race

If anyone can show me School Materials that say black people don't exist, I'll grant this one, but if not...

I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having coworkers on the job suspect that I got it because of race

You mean that when you break the Meritocratic principle, people are suspicious that you didn't get there on Merit?!? Shock! Horror! It's almost like Hiring Quotas create the problem...

But let's pick a few more, that specifically deal with Race:

I can, if I wish, arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

Is this a Racial privilege or is it a Majority privilege? Does this mean that in (say) Saudi Arabia, White Privilege (by the definition of the essay) doesn't exist?

When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

History of a country is a thing, there are plenty of countries that don't have White People who made it what they are...

I can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.

I dunno, I attribute bad morals to Hipsters who were second hand clothes all the time - and they are Whiter than White.... And let's at this point raise 'Rednecks' and 'Trailer Trash', do these criticisms not also apply to them, and again - they are white....

If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.

Probably will be singled out because you are a Conservative and the IRS has become politicized... But jokes aside - Cops tend to pull people over because they are looking for signs that someone might be doing something illegal. I don't like Profiling - but I can assure you, when I was a Young Man, driving a Boy Racer car, I got pulled over a lot more than when I grew up and got a family vehicle - this is not to do with Race.

I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, or feared.

Is this a Racial issue or a Majority Issue? And I know from Peggy's other writings she does feel this when she's been around Men all day, which shows it's not a Race issue.

Now, you can read the full thing here: https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness and there used to be a little infographic, that has mysteriously disappeared, but thankfully - I remember and the Internet doesn't forget.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec90PqvXgAc2z16?format=png&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec90PpjWAAE61s2?format=png&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec90PoOX0AAV-lL?format=png&name=large

So, let's flick through some of them, shall we?

- Self Reliance
- Independance and Autonomu
- Emphasis on the Scientific Method
- Protestant Work Ethic
- Follow rigid Time Schedules
- Delayed Gratification

I could go on - but here's the question - how many of those have to do with Race?

Zero.

And this is where and why I raised Asians and Indians - because what they are attributing to 'Whiteness', are a set of ideals and principles that anyone and any culture can adhere to, and be successful.

Hell, those evil White Supremecist Men even took the time to write down 'Hey, here's what we did to be successful - so that maybe you can too!' and they even made those publicly available! Those Bastards! it's almost like they want everyone to be successful!

There are plenty of Famous Black people who got to where they were, by following those ideals. If my memory serves, the first African American Senators and representatives were all Republicans - which again shows - it's not the colour of your Skin.

This is where the Rubber finally hits the Road - see, if I replace 'Race' with 'Culture' then suddenly, a lot of those start to make a whoooooooooole lot of sense. It also explains why Japanese Culture (which has a very high emphasis on the Individual and a Work Ethic that makes Protestants look like lazy gobshites) is beating ol' whitey in America. Same with Indians.

That also happens to be why it's framed as a Racial issue - see, if it's Cultural, it can be criticized and the individual has self-determination to make better choices, whereas if you frame it Racial, then you get a free pass.

R650R

21st December 2021, 15:08

ahhh, it comes back to the people implementing the system. Thousands upon thousands of black people are put into prison and denied freedoms because of white judges running roughshod over the "system".

And in your white privileged World, being able to point at the career success of Asians somehow overlooking the fact they often get verbally attacked, assaulted and spat upon on their daily commute to work. Your smugness in your points just highlights how systemic racism is so baked into society you are simply blind to the fact you are a large part of the problem. Talk about implementing a good ole "white-wash" over racism :rolleyes: Back to digging sand out your ears emu.

Absolute rubbish. Court judgements would have to be one of the most super accurate public records available. If what you are saying is anything close to true it would be EASILY provable and a substantial amount of judges would be sanctioned.
Don’t know what goes on in your new neighbourhoid but in mine asians walk about freely and relaxed.
White privileged is a myth, there are plenty of white “trailer trash” types that have failed in life through poor education, bad choices or substances abuse but they don’t get to blame their choices on anyone else.

sugilite

22nd December 2021, 08:07

Absolute rubbish. Court judgements would have to be one of the most super accurate public records available. If what you are saying is anything close to true it would be EASILY provable and a substantial amount of judges would be sanctioned.
Don’t know what goes on in your new neighbourhoid but in mine asians walk about freely and relaxed.
White privileged is a myth, there are plenty of white “trailer trash” types that have failed in life through poor education, bad choices or substances abuse but they don’t get to blame their choices on anyone else.

Look at the title of the thread, it gives a hint as to the country im referring to. Hint, it is not my neighbourhood :pinch:

TDL, your trolling is much more obvious than your usual stealthy work. Getting twitchy?

TheDemonLord

22nd December 2021, 09:02

TDL, your trolling is much more obvious than your usual stealthy work. Getting twitchy?

I mean, if you want me to actually Troll, more than happy to - and appreciate that it's difficult to tell the difference because Intersectionality/CRT is actually that Batshit crazy, but seriously - those are all legit examples from people who spearheaded the movement.

sugilite

23rd December 2021, 07:56

By Whom?

Is it Hood Wearing White Supremecists?
Or is it people of a somewhat darker disposition?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/21/one-third-of-asian-americans-fear-threats-physical-attacks-and-most-say-violence-against-them-is-rising/

sugilite

23rd December 2021, 11:50

Is that a System issue or a problem with individual Judges?

And here's the Rub - if you can show me a Judge who has routinely shown bias against Defendants of a Certain Ethnicity, I'll be more than happy to join in the calls for them to Resign.

Obviously I do not have access to Individual judges bias as you would well know - ie smug trolling.
However, check this video out below. A study showing drug use is about the same between blacks and whites in the USA, yet somehow blacks are jailed at an average rate of 10.1 x more blacks are jailed for drug offenses than whites - 10 to 1!!!
But by all means, keep your ill informed rhetoric of no systemic racism rolling along :shutup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY

F5 Dave

23rd December 2021, 13:56

Don't worry R666 will be along soon to reinforce it , along with a chorus of "Poor little white boy me" as evidence. :tugger:

husaberg

23rd December 2021, 15:02

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R650R

23rd December 2021, 15:47

Obviously I do not have access to Individual judges bias as you would well know - ie smug trolling.
However, check this video out below. A study showing drug use is about the same between blacks and whites in the USA, yet somehow blacks are jailed at an average rate of 10.1 x more blacks are jailed for drug offenses than whites - 10 to 1!!!
But by all means, keep your....... o]

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Pop quiz.....

Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Drug sales equal big money and turf wars so you need a good gang to stay in charge, who makes up majority of that demographic....????

What’s the imprisonment rate for Muslim, Asian, Mexican and Jewish drug users?

george formby

23rd December 2021, 16:26

Ima gonna report Husaberg for hurting my eyes.:spanking:

husaberg

23rd December 2021, 16:53

Ima gonna report Husaberg for hurting my eyes.:spanking:
I read a report the other day that showed Trump has statistically the ugliest voters and supporters ever.:msn-wink:

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Pop quiz.....

Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Drug sales equal big money and turf wars so you need a good gang to stay in charge, who makes up majority of that demographic....????

What’s the imprisonment rate for Muslim, Asian, Mexican and Jewish drug users?

PS you really should not ask for stats R101R they make your augments look like the pulled out of your ass excrement that they are.

Our research shows that blacks comprise 62.7 percent and whites 36.7 percent of all drug offenders admitted to state prison, even though federal surveys and other data detailed in this report show clearly that this racial disparity bears scant relation to racial differences in drug offending. There are, for example, five times more white drug users than black. Relative to population, black men are admitted to state prison on drug charges at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than that of white men. In large part because of the extraordinary racial disparities in incarceration for drug offenses, blacks are incarcerated for all offenses at 8.2 times the rate of whites. One in every 20 black men over the age of 18 in the United States is in state or federal prison, compared to one in 180 white men.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/color-of-justice-racial-and-ethnic-disparity-in-state-prisons/
https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Uneven-Justice-State-Rates-of-Incarceration-by-Race-and-Ethnicity.pdf
https://www.jewishpublicaffairs.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/09/There%E2%80%99s-racial-bias-in-our-police-systems.-Here%E2%80%99s-the-overwhelming-proof.-Washington-Post.pdf
https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1345&context=flr

george formby

23rd December 2021, 17:10

Pertinent to the stats being bandied about.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/22/us-army-vet-fbi-kkk

F5 Dave

23rd December 2021, 17:18

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Pop quiz.....

Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Drug sales equal big money and turf wars so you need a good gang to stay in charge, who makes up majority of that demographic....????

What’s the imprisonment rate for Muslim, Asian, Mexican and Jewish drug users?
Pop quiz.

What does it say about your prejudice that you expect the same from others?.

TheDemonLord

23rd December 2021, 18:39

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/21/one-third-of-asian-americans-fear-threats-physical-attacks-and-most-say-violence-against-them-is-rising/

Interesting Article - but the thing it doesn't mention is that the although the majority is perpetrated by White People (70% IIRC), the rest was perpetrated by Black People, considering that Black people are ~12% of the population - that means the rate at which Black People are abusing Asians is double that of White People.

Now, I'm not excusing any Racism, it's all bad - but if the Claim is that Trump is the reason, one would expect that the majority of perpetrators would be the average Trump supporter...

And yet.. The Pew Research (with it's small sample size) does not mention the racial breakdown of the perpetrators once.

We might further infer that were it the case that MAGA hat Wearing people were going around committing Hate Crimes (Just like Jussie Smollet...), that it would be front page news... and so the abscence of the 'Who' that's doing it is suspicious...

Obviously I do not have access to Individual judges bias as you would well know - ie smug trolling.
However, check this video out below. A study showing drug use is about the same between blacks and whites in the USA, yet somehow blacks are jailed at an average rate of 10.1 x more blacks are jailed for drug offenses than whites - 10 to 1!!!
But by all means, keep your ill informed rhetoric of no systemic racism rolling along :shutup:

Before I do a Rebuttal - I want to make an observation - you may not realise this, but you are essentially making the Marxist Tabula Rasa argument: All People are born equal, therefore any difference in outcomes must be due to societal effects e.g. discrimination. I point this out to highlight just how deeply inbedded into the culture this sort of thinking has gone. Obviously, I don't believe all people are born equal - a look at say the 100m Sprint over the course of my Lifetime should be grounds enough to say that for some things, there are Genetic factors. Genetic factors doesn't mean we can't be treated equally before the law (obviously)... But the form of the Argument is:

X and Y are roughly equal, yet X has a different outcome than Y, therefore discrimination. There's variants of it such as 'Women only make up X percent of Industry, therefore discrimination', however when we go past the univariate analysis, almost always, there are other factors - and we end up with a form of 'God of the Gaps' e.g. 'Yes we've proved these factors account for this percentage, but there's a missing percentage and therefore Racism/Sexism/Discrimination.'

Observation over now the for rest:

I've heard this claim before or variants of it (2.7 times more likely) - and on the face of it, it's a very interesting statistic.

First question first - Are these Crimes being committed? I know it's an obvious question, but if people are doing the crimes...

So then we have to ask when and where are people consuming Drugs - and this is where it gets very interesting:

https://archives.drugabuse.gov/sites/default/files/minorities03_1.pdf

It's a big long read - but I want to reference page 51.

There's some interesting patterns - for all illegal drugs - we see a big spike around University Age 18-25 - no surprises there. But then look at the rate between Black/White as they get older - for example, with Cocaine - for the older age brackets - they are consuming it at nearly 3 times more than whites for 26-35 and nearly 4 times more for 35+.

So, getting back to your 10:1, if White people have a rate of drug use that's equivalent to black people, but over a significantly shorter period of time (mainly just confined to University), then that accounts for nearly half of your disparity. The other categories show similar (although not as pronounced) disparities across the age group.

Then we have to discuss some Tropes (because as unscientific as they are, Tropes exist because of a reason) - You've got the White Collar weekend warrior in a high paying job, goes out to a club gets shit faced - but with that exception, they pay their taxes, they keep their car licensed, insured and well-maintained, they are unlikely to engage in public violence.

Compare that to another trope - the Addict who either is in a Gang or has Gang connections - may or may not be gainfully employed, May have issues with their Car, may be in proximity to Violence etc.

This is where we have to discuss the other elephant in the room: Police go to where the Crime is visible. Let's pull one Statistic, despite being only 12% of the population, Black people are both responsible for and the victims of over half the murders in the US.

How many of those murders do you think had a Gang/Drug element to it?

And let's dig even further - Murder, unlike most Drug charges, is not a Crime where arrest is as a result of an Officer instigated action. That is to say, Police don't pull someone over for having a busted tail light and then Bang! there's a Murder. Normally it's a case of a Body is found or Shots are fired and then the Police come to investigate.

Is that the fault of the Justice System that Black people are killing each other at nearly 5 times than what their population should suggest? Is it Racist Police officers that are causing Black people to kill each other? Or Racist Judges?

So let's assume for the moment that the rates are the same, the combination of just 2 factors:

Length of Time of offending (mostly restricted to University vs longer exposure) and
Proximity to other sources of visible crime

- That explains almost all of the disparity in the Arrest/incarceration rates - no Racist system/judges/Police need apply.

I want to, however, take it one step further: I think there is one stat, above all, that explains why there's a disproportionate outcome: The rate of Fatherlessness in the African American community vs White people.

24% for Whites
64% for Blacks

The majority of Black kids don't have a Father. And what's worse - if there's a small number of kids without dads in a community where most of the kids have dads - the effects of Fatherlessness aren't as pronounced - however at 64%....

And what does Fatherlessness lead to: https://www.all4kids.org/news/blog/a-fathers-impact-on-child-development/

Increased youth offending (85% of youth offenders have no Dad), higher rates of Drug use, Behavioral problems.

So, here's my theory (and feel free to disagree with it) - If Black Kids had Black Dads, they'd do less drugs and less crime. If they did less visible crime, the Police would go to the next most public sources of Crime (most likely Native Americans, based on the data) - then they would be free to do drugs at Uni, like all the Cool White Kids, without going to prison.

All without a single drop of Racism in the System.

Edit:

Just something to add - not only because it's a lovely heart warming story (and 'tis the season...) but to highlight what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdPaqt6RY_Q

Before Dads - Mass Fights, multiple arrests of School kids
After Dads - Peace.

Now, if we accounted for and better yet, fixed. The other issues first and we found there was still a massive disparity - then yeah - maybe at that point we could investigate is it structurally racist - but Imma go out on a Limb here, we'd probably find the rates dropping to be closer to the makeup of society.

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23rd December 2021, 21:04

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pritch

24th December 2021, 07:27

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police?

White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

Coupla things. Pick a photo of US Olympic sprinters, any photo taken since WW2 should do it. The photos would suggest the opposite. Most photos of US police don't suggest much ability as sprinters. Many would have zero chance of passing fitness or agility tests.

Oh, and anecdotally, white kids caught with drugs get told to go home. Black kids get locked up. Your doubts may be misplaced.

QUOTE=R650R;1131194939]Pop quiz.....
Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?
[/QUOTE]

The only suspected tinnie house I'm aware of was in a predominantly white neighbourhood, no state houses. No gangs, no turf wars, just a somewhat mob handed police raid one morning.

Lots of cars and the occasional bike would make brief visits, engine running. A woman was telling me her son, visiting from Australia, was convinced it was a tinnie house. I thought he'd know a bloody lot more about that than I would.

sugilite

24th December 2021, 09:14

So what does that statistic really mean? Blacks aren’t good at running from the police? White people gets let off scot free frequently by police.... I doubt it.....

OK, so what is your explanation for that stat then?

And as for you TDL, You have truly outdone yourself to condone and sweep under the carpet the systemic racism in the USA. Well done.
PS, don't let the marxist boogie man get you. Your ability to bring that into near every conversation we have is to be applauded.

FJRider

24th December 2021, 09:58

Coupla things. Pick a photo of US Olympic sprinters, any photo taken since WW2 should do it. The photos would suggest the opposite. Most photos of US police don't suggest much ability as sprinters. Many would have zero chance of passing fitness or agility tests.

Those athletes quite possibly are using drugs ... just not the same ones that are available in the tinny houses.

Bullets fly faster than they can run. One round in a perp's leg slows them down. Fitness is overrated.

Oh, and anecdotally, white kids caught with drugs get told to go home. Black kids get locked up. Your doubts may be misplaced.

I lived in Queenstown in the "80's ... regular drug busts in some of the VERY high priced parts of town. And very much a white sort of town.

Only the minions were charged ... proof of whom was actually running it was never found. They knew ... just couldn't prove it.

Pop quiz.....
Tinnie house who willingly be running it and in what neighbourhood?

Whichever neighborhood that has people that have the money to buy ...

The only suspected tinnie house I'm aware of was in a predominantly white neighbourhood, no state houses. No gangs, no turf wars, just a somewhat mob handed police raid one morning.

Sometimes even the Police get lucky.

Lots of cars and the occasional bike would make brief visits, engine running. A woman was telling me her son, visiting from Australia, was convinced it was a tinnie house. I thought he'd know a bloody lot more about that than I would.

Hidden in plain sight. The best hiding place ever.

Berries

24th December 2021, 22:05

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TheDemonLord

28th December 2021, 06:43

PS, don't let the marxist boogie man get you. Your ability to bring that into near every conversation we have is to be applauded.

So, I'm going to answer this in reverse, but before I do:

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - I'm sure 2022 will bring lots of insanity (especially from Brandon...) for us to argue over :lol::lol::lol: and as you can guess from my silence on here - I had a lovely Christmas break.

'Don't let the Marxist boogie man get you':

I'm fairly certain that it was you that first raised the issue of Systemic Racism and White Privilege.

Both of these are concepts that have a direct ideological lineage to Marxism. I've even cited the original works, given you direct quotes, referred you to the philosophers whose works is primarily responsible, linked University course descriptions that outright state the links - and yet you still think it's some form of conspiracy on my part.

At what point is the evidence sufficient for you to accept that these concepts and words that you use are merely tools designed to undermine society, so that it collapses and the glorious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror)communist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Fields)revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine)can occur.

I keep calling out the Marxism, because you keep unknowingly make Marxist arguments - these concepts have no hard statistical evidence nor were they derived from experimental data. Take White Privilege for example, I listed some of the absurd things that Peggy McIntosh claims as white privilege - what you probably didn't know is that she literally just made it up. She didn't do any form of analysis, experiment, statistical investigation - no, she just said 'these are things I think I can do, therefore they are white privilege'. Most of them could be better conceptualized as 'Majority privilege' and 'Economic Privilege' - an argument that I would still dispute but would at least have a little more basis in reality.

So in short - each time you raise an idea that I know to be rooted in various Marxist academic fields, I'm going to bring it up - maybe one day you'll see just how far and how invasive the rot has spread, maybe not.

And as for you TDL, You have truly outdone yourself to condone and sweep under the carpet the systemic racism in the USA. Well done.

Have I though?

See, I can agree that at periods in history - the US was systemically racist.
I can agree that even today there are probably racists in positions of Power and Authority.
There are probably even small areas where there is what you would call 'Systemic Racism'.

But the claim the US as a whole, today, is Systemically Racist - should be rejected as laughable on it's face value. I mean just one single datapoint: President Obama - in any other systemically racist system - Did a Jew rise to become the leader of the Nazi party? Did a Black man rise to lead South Africa under Apartheid?

A Structure that was systemic wouldn't allow this.

Further to that, if we look at the 2 highest performing groups - Asians and Indians - and wouldn't you know it:

Even back in 1998, some people realised where this racial bigotry was headed... (https://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/asian.htm)

One might call the claim in 1998 prophetic... (https://www.kuow.org/stories/whitewashing-of-asian-students-and-the-report-that-launched-a-reckoning)

When I provided those image links to what the Marxists considered to by aspects of 'Whiteness': Hard work, self reliance, punctuality, family etc. It should become clear that this is not a skin colour issue, but a social group issue - if you adopt the 'Aspects of Whiteness', you'll succeed. If you take the word Whiteness out of it - I'm guessing your Dad (like mine) would have told you something similar:

'Son, if you work hard and do your best, you'll do well in life' - And I'm not sure if you went to school with Asian students, I certainly did - I can personally attest to their hard working nature, there's even a Meme of Asian Parents/parenting styles - and guess who propagates it the most?

Asians.

And I should be clear, this isn't even a gripe against them - they work hard, they reap the benefits and society reaps the benefits. Long may they continue to succeed and exceed.

Getting back to the Systemic issue - I can explain without racism why there's a disparity between Black and White people in Drug offending:

- Longer drug use over the course of a lifetime.
- Proximity to visible crime.

If you add in the Fatherlessness in Black Communities and all the associated issues that causes - that will account for almost all of your disparity.

This is just like the old Feminist Wage Gap argument - where you aggregate all the wages between Men and women and find that women earn '77c to the dollar', but when you actually account for all the factors that might affect pay: Education, Experience, Position, time in continuous employment etc. That gap shrinks to something like '97c to the dollar', so that must be where the Sexism is, right? But if you look at industries where Pay negotiation is more common, you see the gap expands whereas industries where pay negotiation isn't common - it disappears.

The point is: The issue raised is a complex problem, it's absolute insanity to assert that such a complex problem could have a single cause an a single solution. Is Racism a component? Possibly - but there are other factors that have a far greater effect than just Race. Just like the Wage gap argument, there are other factors that have a far greater effect than just Sex.

Both of these theories are drawn from the same ideological presuppositions (Marxist) and which is why they take the same form and it's also why they both have the same inherent flaws in their argumentation.

I'll end with this: If you can show definitively a situation where Racism was the sole or at least, the most significant factor in an issue - I'm happy to champion it. I happen to be quite opposed to any form of discrimination (see my stance on Vaccine passports and my long history on this forum of speaking up for people I either have disagreed with or am currently disagreeing with on a topic) - The issue is that most of the claims of racism, when investigated a little bit further have either nothing to do with Race or the implied Racism only exists in an ideological framing that I reject.

Just look at the left-wing media Coverage of the Kyle Rittenhouse case, regardless of what you personally think of him - the objective facts of the case show that there was no racial component, but prominent Media outlets were more than happy to first circulate the story of 'White Racist shoots black people'...