Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[F5 Dave]

Sounds like responsible world stability is his first order of business.

How did A'merca stoop so low to have these mouthpieces having a voice?

[jim.cox]

How did A'merca stood so low to have these mouthpieces having a voice?

America - the best democracy money can buy!

[pritch]

As of the 19th of September US time Trump can legally sell his shares in his media empire. Prior to any sale though he is required to file documentation with the regulators. Reportedly no documents have yet been filed. He has been talking up the value of the stock which is illegal but...

Some analysts feel he may use the value of his stock holding as security against a loan. His lawyers have reported to the courts that he is unable to raise the required half billion bond payments so he needs cash.

We may not have to wait long for developments.

[Laava]

As of the 19th of September US time Trump can legally sell his shares in his media empire. Prior to any sale though he is required to file documentation with the regulators. Reportedly no documents have yet been filed. He has been talking up the value of the stock which is illegal but...

Some analysts feel he may use the value of his stock holding as security against a loan. His lawyers have reported to the courts that he is unable to raise the required half billion bond payments so he needs cash.

We may not have to wait long for developments.
Except that, as shown, everyone is too scared to do anything before the elections…
Hopefully his own reckless stupidity will be his downfall to start with…

[pete376403]

The circumstances seem a bit odd. Apparently this golf trip wasn't preplanned. it was a spur of the moment thing almost. Of course Trump still travels round in a convoy big enough to massage his ego so he could be spotted.

Wonder what they are going to charge him with? No target was in sight, he was outside the fence so not trespassing, he never fired at anything, and took off when someone started shooting at him. If owning a gun in Florida equates attempted assassination, then there must be literally millions who are guilty of that

[Grumph]

Wonder what they are going to charge him with? No target was in sight, he was outside the fence so not trespassing, he never fired at anything, and took off when someone started shooting at him. If owning a gun in Florida equates attempted assassination, then there must be literally millions who are guilty of that

They've found something in the gun laws to charge him with.

But Florida....On another - US based - forum a member was saying he carries a handgun when at home. His reasoning was that if he had it on him he wouldn't have to go to another room to get it. WHEN he needed it.

Yes, he lives in Florida. I pointed out that this summed up the difference between the US and the rest of the developed western world. Most agreed with me.

[Pursang]

They've found something in the gun laws to charge him with.

Last I heard, the charges relate to possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.
(Funnily obliterated serial numbers were the reason he got the original felony charge)

A half decent lawyer, obviously not a trump one, might be able to get him off those

[Laava]

Then he might fall out of Putins window etc…

[pritch]

More information is coming to light about the Trump crypto scheme. The two characters behind it are ummm interesting. One calls himself the dirtbag of the Internet. The other one used to earn a living telling guys how to win hot chicks. It seems the four Trump males are the marketing department.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/msnbc-host-curses-live-on-air-while-taunting-trump-s-dirtbag-crypto-partner-sorry/ar-AA1qIP9t

[jim.cox]

More information is coming to light about the Trump crypto scheme.

Klepto scheme more like it...

[R650R]

There were a few red flags about that nutter, if he wasnt worth investigating it makes you wonder just how nutty the ones they are spending their time watching are????

Guess in a population over 330 million there’s probably thousands worthy of fulltime surveillance.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350424824/ticking-time-bomb-those-who-raised-suspicions-about-trump-suspect-question-if

In other news Trump says if he doesn’t win this time he won’t bother again in 2028. He couldn’t have picked a better way to ensure 100% voter turnout of his opposition

[Pursang]

https://scontent.fbne5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/452621663_10162157904047975_2084140852755721261_n. jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=JIXJzzaq-cAQ7kNvgGILx7n&_nc_ht=scontent.fbne5-1.fna&_nc_gid=AwcaHszB0hHM5FMqEy8Gt80&oh=00_AYDsWDOg1bGptjg81jMgv2gyw5YM8IVIca5zhrovBTn_ rw&oe=66FB8C44

[TheDemonLord]

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Ah, Dee Snider.

The Man who once challenged Tipper Gore on the basis of Free speech and espoused the rights and responsibilities of the Nuclear Family.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Vyr1TylTE

[neels]

Finally being called out for telling lies, unlikely it will actually come to anything, but at least someone has bothered to challenge his bullshit claims.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/haitian-group-springfield-files-criminal-charges-trump-vance-false-pet-rcna172555

I guess a couple of page updates are in order

trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list (https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/)

In four years, President Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_11)

[pete376403]

In other news Trump says if he doesn’t win this time he won’t bother again in 2028. He couldn’t have picked a better way to ensure 100% voter turnout of his opposition

But that statement will be a lie as well

[F5 Dave]

Won't he be 100 in 2028?

[1/32 man]

I see on CNN trump promises a great deal for both sides of the Ukraine /Russian war......a great deal ferfuxsake???????

[pete376403]

I see on CNN trump promises a great deal for both sides of the Ukraine /Russian war......a great deal ferfuxsake???????
While standing next to Zelenskiy, " … and I also have a very good relationship, as you know, with President Putin,” Trump boasted.
https://newrepublic.com/post/186459/trumps-meeting-zelenskyy-went-well-youd-expect

[pritch]

But that statement will be a lie as well

He said previously that if he lost the last election we'd never see him again. Which is probably, at least in part, why he won't admit publicly that he lost.

[pritch]

Trump is now hawking a limited edition watch. How many "billionaires" sell sneakers, bibles, crypto, NFTs, silver coins, and worthless bank notes? I can't think of any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAnwu-e79M

[Laava]

He is the king of crap.

[Laava]

While standing next to Zelenskiy, " … and I also have a very good relationship, as you know, with President Putin,” Trump boasted.
https://newrepublic.com/post/186459/trumps-meeting-zelenskyy-went-well-youd-expect
Putin will just bend him over and dominate him. Within seconds.

[husaberg]

https://www.usnews.com/object/image/00000191-b93e-d648-a991-b9ffc1f30000/gma090224dapc.jpg?update-time=1725389964036&size=responsiveGallery
https://www.usnews.com/object/image/00000192-0034-dd6d-a7de-f0bd0d570000/20240916ednac-a.jpg

[husaberg]

<iframe width="681" height="383" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3BrCvZmSnKA" title="The Kiffness - Eating the Cats ft. Donald Trump (Debate Remix)" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[F5 Dave]

Fuk he really doesn't understand how useless he is at business and thinks he can make deals. What a loser.

It's like when Husi owned R666 and he puts that owning in his signature. The ironing is significant. And totally lost on the ignorant.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[F5 Dave]

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So is that Santa's little Helper and Snowball?

[husaberg]

So is that Santa's little Helper and Snowball?

Yes and a SLH is a rather lean greyhound, so its important to only lightly brown the meat for a few seconds.
pretty sure the cats you have always just traditionally stir fry them.
Trumps mate lil kim would know how to prepare the Dog, yet he never gets any shade from Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXrRy1WbQbA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOIPRfadAP8

[pritch]

Can't find it again now but earlier today there was a clip from one of Trump's recent rallies. He was saying that since the attempts on his life he has become an expert on guns. He knows all about the MK47.

If it pops up I'll post it here.

[Stylo]

Looks like the aspiring POTUS has died his hair purple now.

That'll do it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjQPj3g_okM

[Pursang]

Looks like the aspiring POTUS has died his hair purple now.

That'll do it...

Pink Rinse?.....To enhance his appeal to the vanishing female voters!

According to him, he is now their 'Protector'!

My wife (US Voter) said she threw-up a little, in her mouth!

[pete376403]

Pink Rinse?.....To enhance his appeal to the vanishing female voters!

According to him, he is now their 'Protector'!

My wife (US Voter) said she threw-up a little, in her mouth!

trump protecting women

[Pursang]

https://i.imgur.com/QwlaJRk.jpeg

[TheDemonLord]

https://i.imgur.com/QwlaJRk.jpeg

So, curiously - I decided to look at some of those claims:


The presidency of William McKinley began on March 4, 1897,


The Panic of 1893 was an economic depression in the United States that began in 1893 and ended in 1897.[1] It deeply affected every sector of the economy and produced political upheaval that led to the political realignment of 1896 and the presidency of William McKinley.

(that is from Wikipedia)

Whilst it is true that the Mckinley tariffs were championed by him, he was not president. When he was president, he introduced the Dingley Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingley_Act) - which was again, about protectionist tariffs.

[husaberg]

People have this idea that tariffs are paid by the seller, its a fallacy.
The trafiif is paid by the buyer, paying more for a product than its actual cost. The consumer loses.

Look who are trumps biggest donors
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leokamin/2024/08/14/here-are-trumps-top-billionaire-donors/

[1/32 man]

Just read where John Key favours trump over Harris as a winner in the US presidential race.
I always thought he was a money sniffing weasel.....get back to your bolt hole in Hawaii then.

[Grumph]

Just read where John Key favours trump over Harris as a winner in the US presidential race.
I always thought he was a money sniffing weasel.....get back to your bolt hole in Hawaii then.

And calling Harris "radical left" She's about as far left as our Nats.

Basically the US has one party center right and one far right.

Posting on a US forum,I'm as close to a Commie by their standards as they'll ever meet.

[pritch]

People have this idea that tariffs are paid by the seller,

I'm not sure it's "people". It's Donald J Trump.

[onearmedbandit]

Most people I know are well aware that all business costs including tariffs are covered by the customer.

[R650R]

Most people I know are well aware that all business costs including tariffs are covered by the customer.

Yep basic economics 101. Something interesting to come out of the Russia situation is that they are also of limited use. If you lock someone out long enough they find someone else to do business with.
The last several years of sanctions have turbocharged the creation of BRICS and there’s some bad side effects for us in the west.We can no longer see a clear picture of world commodity pricing which influences farmers in which crop is best to plant.
China just cancelled a 1.5$billion grain contract with Australia, and we can’t even see how much cheaper Brazil was as we are not in their system.

[R650R]

Can't find it again now but earlier today there was a clip from one of Trump's recent rallies. He was saying that since the attempts on his life he has become an expert on guns. He knows all about the MK47.

If it pops up I'll post it here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMMG_Mk47_Mutant

semi-automatic rifle chambered in 7.62×39mm, made by CMMG Inc. It can accept all types of Kalashnikov pattern magazines, including steel, polymer and drum magazines.[1]

[F5 Dave]

Most people I know are well aware that all business costs including tariffs are covered by the customer.

But we're talking about mid America where they love that Mexico will pay for the wall.
Tarrifs will stop them taking thier jobs. And eating their babies and whatnot.

[pritch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMMG_Mk47_Mutant

semi-automatic rifle chambered in 7.62×39mm, made by CMMG Inc. It can accept all types of Kalashnikov pattern magazines, including steel, polymer and drum magazines.[1]

That's not what Trump was talking about. Those things would be as rare as rocking horse shit. I looked in a search engine and all I got was AK47s. Apart from which it seems the latest nutter was armed with a Simonov SKS rather than a Kalashnikov anyway.

The US legal system is full of surprises. The now infamous Judge Canon is to preside over his prosecution. To top it off the prosecutor is a Haitian immigrant.

[onearmedbandit]

But we're talking about mid America where they love that Mexico will pay for the wall.
Tarrifs will stop them taking thier jobs. And eating their babies and whatnot.

husa wasn't specific, he just said 'people'.

[Stylo]

I didn't expect John Key would have endorsed the idiot.


https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350434743/why-sir-john-key-thinks-donald-trump-should-win-us-election

[husaberg]

husa wasn't specific, he just said 'people'.
But not all people or just people you know.
Even the basket of deplorable's are people too.


The former president and current Republican nominee asserts that tariffs — basically import taxes — will lower food prices


I am going to put tariffs on other countries coming into our country, and that has nothing to do with taxes to us. That is a tax on another country,” Trump said.


In September, he repeated the claim during an interview with Fox News: “It’s not a tax on the middle class. It’s a tax on another country.”


And he said again during a rally in Wisconsin Saturday that “it’s not going to be a cost to you, it’s going to be a cost to another country.”Vance said in late August that as a result of tariffs Trump imposed during his presidency, “prices went down for American citizens.”

“They went up for the Chinese but they went down for our people,” Vance added


Former President Donald Trump is pledging to supercharge one of his signature trade policies — tariffs — if he's re-elected this November, by imposing 10% across-the-board levies on all products imported into the U.S. from overseas. The idea, he has said, is to protect American jobs as well as raise more revenue to offset an extension of his 2017 tax cuts.



The sweeping tariffs that former President Donald J. Trump imposed on China and other American trading partners were simultaneously a political success and an economic failure, a new study suggests. That’s because the levies won over voters for the Republican Party even though they did not bring back jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHp4JLWjNw

[husaberg]

Yep basic economics 101. Something interesting to come out of the Russia situation is that they are also of limited use. If you lock someone out long enough they find someone else to do business with.
The last several years of sanctions have turbocharged the creation of BRICS and there’s some bad side effects for us in the west.We can no longer see a clear picture of world commodity pricing which influences farmers in which crop is best to plant.
China just cancelled a 1.5$billion grain contract with Australia, and we can’t even see how much cheaper Brazil was as we are not in their system.

whilst I am sure the Russians would like to lead people to believe they hare having no ill effects
They are not tariffs the are embargo's and sanctions.
Whilst they can get around some (at a significant cost using third party countries)and that is because some counties like India and china put their own need for profits in front of the rest of the worlds.
I would suggest their efforts to have them dropped tells a different story they have resulting in significant hardship for Russia to wage a war.
An invasion you suggested would never happen. Remember that?

[1/32 man]

I didn't expect John Key would have endorsed the idiot.


https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350...in-us-election

Who said that the love of money was the root of all evil? Willie Shakea spear?

Key has let his genes show themselves by doing business with the Chow brothers and now say teerump should and could win because teerump is better with money!!!!! WTF ? Doesnt he follow the comings and goings of teerumps business acumen?

Never liked snake eyes Key....er sorry, Sir John Key.

[pete376403]

Who said that the love of money was the root of all evil? Willie Shakea spear?

Key has let his genes show themselves by doing business with the Chow brothers and now say teerump should and could win because teerump is better with money!!!!! WTF ? Doesnt he follow the comings and goings of teerumps business acumen?

Never liked snake eyes Key....er sorry, Sir John Key.

Even though, in that same interview, key admits that tariffs are always paid by the middle income earners of the country that applies the tariff i.e. the US. Is this him saying that trumps supporters are economically as clueless as trump himself but thats ok because key has money and will come out ahead? And thus it has always been so, even when he was pm of NZ

[pete376403]

https://youtu.be/KHuMjIhS6t0

[F5 Dave]

I was just trying to think a day or two back of a word for being blind to other people's situations and only thinking from your perspective.

I read JK article and the question popped up again. Not a good look for a politician hoping to represent the masses. I must admit I missed that when I voted for him the first time.

The good of the people vs the good of My class of people.

[pete376403]

I was just trying to think a day or two back of a word for being blind to other people's situations and only thinking from your perspective.

I read JK article and the question popped up again. Not a good look for a politician hoping to represent the masses. I must admit I missed that when I voted for him the first time.

The good of the people vs the good of My class of people.

Egocentric could fit that description

[husaberg]

I was just trying to think a day or two back of a word for being blind to other people's situations and only thinking from your perspective.


Apathetic.....

[Pursang]

I was just trying to think a day or two back of a word for being blind to other people's situations and only thinking from your perspective........

The good of the people vs the good of My class of people.

Selfish
ignorant
narcissistic
self-centered
egocentric
egoistical
pos
ego-maniacal
hoggish
mean
mercenary
miserly
narrow-minded
out for number one
parsimonious
prejudiced
self-indulgent
self-interested
self-seeking
stingy
ungenerous
:facepalm:

[Laava]

I was just trying to think a day or two back of a word for being blind to other people's situations
C.
U.
Next
Tuesday

[pritch]

The judge in Trump's election interference case has had enough. She has produced a submission by the Prosecutor and instructed that it be released immediately thus not allowing time for yet another appeal by Trump's lawyers. This is long but there is a lot to cover. The ad can easily be slipped.

The speaker here practices law in Florida and New York.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf-1VmgXCUc

[pete376403]

Another scam, ideal for money laundering. When fake versions of this watch start to come from China they will probably be better made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAnwu-e79M&list=TLPQMDMxMDIwMjQSywvMKs_q6w&index=2

Comment from that YouTube. "Idolizing a politician is like thinking that the stripper actually likes you"

[pritch]

Another scam, ideal for money laundering. When fake versions of this watch start to come from China they will probably be better made


One grift after another. Melania has written a book. CNN contacted the publisher to request an interview with Melanie about the book. They were told an interview would cost $250,000. The book won't be getting much publicity then.


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/03/politics/melania-trump-book-cnn-interview/index.html

[F5 Dave]

That's how badly the entitled are out of touch with what they think their celebrity is worth :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

That's how badly the entitled are out of touch with what they think their celebrity is worth :laugh:

Considering Michelle Obamas speaking fees are $200,000-$750,000 - It seems this is well in the ball park of what is expected of a First Lady.

[husaberg]

One grift after another. Melania has written a book. CNN contacted the publisher to request an interview with Melanie about the book. They were told an interview would cost $250,000. The book won't be getting much publicity then.


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/03/politics/melania-trump-book-cnn-interview/index.html
Couldn't they just listen to Michelle Obama's old speech's, they are exactly the same speech's aren't they?

[pete376403]

Considering Michelle Obamas speaking fees are $200,000-$750,000 - It seems this is well in the ball park of what is expected of a First Lady.

But the Obamas speaking fees are paid, so some think they are worth listening to. And they also do freebies, and provide other benefits as below. Trumps largesse was more along the lines of throwing paper towels (paid for by someone else) at Puerto Ricans
“Since leaving office, President Obama has spent his time doing public and private events, both paid and unpaid, that are true to his values and his record,” Kevin Lewis, the former president’s spokesman, wrote in an email. Mr. Lewis added that the paid speeches had helped make it possible for Mr. Obama to contribute $2 million to employment and job-training programs for low-income young people in Chicago. "https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/business/obama-healthcare-speech.html

[F5 Dave]

Gesus tdl, speaking to a paying audience vs interview to promote your book.

Are you intentionally this stupid or is it by accident?

[husaberg]

Gesus tdl, speaking to a paying audience vs interview to promote your book.

Are you intentionally this stupid or is it by accident?

Not to mention one being a interesting educated articulate educated person vs earning interest from doing softcore porn and selling yourself to aging loser like trump....

[pritch]

Considering Michelle Obamas speaking fees are $200,000-$750,000 - It seems this is well in the ball park of what is expected of a First Lady.

Melania gets north of $200,000 for a speech. This was not a speech. It was to be an interview about her book which would have promoted it. That's completely different and most news organisations have rules about paying for interviews that specifically preclude that.

Yet another failed grift.

[pritch]

Now there's a headline... Wrong Peters though.

This one was a County Clerk who really believed Trumps bullshit about election fraud - she still does. She thought if the judge read the reports he too would understand, but no... He had read the "snake oil" and he was not impressed. She told him that she needs a magnetic mattress to sleep and that she can't go to prison because there are people there who committed crimes. A one point in the trial the judge laughed at another he actually did a face palm.

She had admitted MAGA operatives to the secure area containing electoral records and machinery. They copied the voter records and the software on the machines. One result of this was that several people received death threats.

The judge sentenced her to nine years. six months of which must be served in the county jail, as her crimes were against the people of county.

There's a lot about this on YouTube, this report is brief. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr75mpkm7nro

[pritch]

The wheels of justice grind slow. It has been four years since Trump's various attempts to overthrow the election result. In the 160 page document filed by the prosecution the cast of characters is referred to as P1, P2, etc, for person 1 etc. Or CC1, CC2, etc, for co conspirator 1 and so on. In the text the CCs are referred to as 'unindicted co conspirators.' Knowledgable legal pundits consider that these latter will not be unindicted for much longer.

US conspiracy law states that any group of two people or more who plan to commit one or more crimes commits a conspiracy. There is a requirement though that they must undertake one act to further the aim of the conspiracy. If a group of guys in the pub hatch a plan to overthrow the government then go home and sleep it off without doing anything that's not a prosecutable onspiracy. Once there is a conspiracy though all members of the group are equally guilty of any act committed by any member of the group.

The various unindicted co conspirators in Jack Smith's paperwork may be losing sleep about now.

[pete376403]

NAGA idiocy (on Hurricane Helene ) - Republican Congress member Marjorie Taylor Greene posted on X: "Yes they can control the weather. It's ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it can't be done.

[F5 Dave]

That would be blasphemy. Only God has the ability to kill and destroy on that kind of scale.
Just for lols.
What a prick.

[Laava]

NAGA idiocy (on Hurricane Helene ) - Republican Congress member Marjorie Taylor Greene posted on X: "Yes they can control the weather. It's ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it can't be done.
Scary to think how many, if not all, MAGA idiots will suck up this latest bullshit. Cue Thedementedlad.
Only for you guys tho, I have him on ignore.

[Pursang]

NAGA idiocy (on Hurricane Helene ) - Republican Congress member Marjorie Taylor Greene posted on X: "Yes they can control the weather. It's ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it can't be done.

Seems to me, FWIW!....That would be a really Great Reason for voters in agricultural districts to definitely Vote for the Democrats! :niceone:

[onearmedbandit]

Certain posts have been pruned from this thread. Although TDL has made it clear to the mods he doesn't worry about the comments I have made it clear that personal attacks are not welcome.

[TheDemonLord]

But the Obamas speaking fees are paid, so some think they are worth listening to. And they also do freebies, and provide other benefits as below. Trumps largesse was more along the lines of throwing paper towels (paid for by someone else) at Puerto Ricans
“Since leaving office, President Obama has spent his time doing public and private events, both paid and unpaid, that are true to his values and his record,” Kevin Lewis, the former president’s spokesman, wrote in an email. Mr. Lewis added that the paid speeches had helped make it possible for Mr. Obama to contribute $2 million to employment and job-training programs for low-income young people in Chicago. "https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/business/obama-healthcare-speech.html

And?

Promotional interview or not - the point was that this Melanias fees for an interview are not outrageous or unreasonable as some would suggest.

I am also certain that like the Obamas - Melania probably does pro bono work for causes she is interested in.

The point is: The Trump do something - everyones response is to wail and gnash at how terrible it is.
The Obamas do the exact same thing - everyone claps and barks like a circus seal at how wonderful it is.

[TheDemonLord]

Certain posts have been pruned from this thread. Although TDL has made it clear to the mods he doesn't worry about the comments I have made it clear that personal attacks are not welcome.

I thought at least one of them was hilarious.

[pritch]

And?

Promotional interview or not - the point was that this Melanias fees for an interview are not outrageous or unreasonable as some would suggest.



That a fee was requested at all is totally unreasonable. The request was withdrawn as soon as it became public.


Anyhoo - FOX is reporting that the prosecution of Trump for the events of Jan 6 and various other attempts to overthrow the lawfully elected government is illegal. They say there is a law preventing prosecutions of candidates within sixty days of an election and that this prosecution is blatant election interference. That's all bollox of course.

There is a "guideline" to that effect but this particular prosecution began years ago. The reason it is current now is because Trump's team has sought delay after delay after delay.
That - and quite possibly they have managed to piss off the judge?

[R650R]

And?

Promotional interview or not - the point was that this Melanias fees for an interview are not outrageous or unreasonable as some would suggest.

I am also certain that like the Obamas - Melania probably does pro bono work for causes she is interested in.

The point is: The Trump do something - everyones response is to wail and gnash at how terrible it is.
The Obamas do the exact same thing - everyone claps and barks like a circus seal at how wonderful it is.

The beauty of it all is the level of those fees tells you there is an audience that WANTS to hear that person speak no matter who it is. And even better is the power is confirmed by the advertising dollars that firms are will to spend to buy exposure during that time slot otherwise it would not be possible to pay.
And who endorses that even further it’s us all of us, this is us as we buy the products advertised during these shows.
People are just always envious of success. It’s like the big deal about Luxon selling a house for a profit, isn’t that the kiwi dream that when you retire that asset has increased so you can downsize, live well and help rest of your family. Some lucky people just manage to do it better than others.
I don’t see any news articles about anyone from the other side deciding to sell property at a loss at any time to help boost housing availability.

[TheDemonLord]

That a fee was requested at all is totally unreasonable. The request was withdrawn as soon as it became public.

Why?

Or does CNN think that they, and they alone, can pay in 'Exposure'.

[pritch]

The beauty of it all is the level of those fees tells you there is an audience that WANTS to hear that person speak no matter who it is.

Not really. As always with the Trumps there is likely to be a grift. The group Melania most recently spoke to was a Republican Party LBGT group. While it is common for the spouses of politicians to speak at political events they are not normally paid. There is interest in who paid the $200,000 plus, what with Lara Trump having a big say in where the RNC money goes and her father in law having a big say with her.

[pritch]

Why?


Because it should never have been made and they knew it.

[pritch]

Speaking of grifts. This guy must be chasing a seat in Trump's next cabinet. He wants to spend millions of dollars of tax payer money on Trump bibles to put one in every Oklahoma classroom. So much for the separation of church and state?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/04/politics/oklahoma-schools-bible-trump/index.html

[pete376403]

And?

I am also certain that like the Obamas - Melania probably does pro bono work for causes she is interested in.

The point is: The Trump do something - everyones response is to wail and gnash at how terrible it is.
The Obamas do the exact same thing - everyone claps and barks like a circus seal at how wonderful it is.

search on "melania trump pro bono appearances" doesn't return anything of substance, yet if she had, there would be no shortage of maga/repub pages lauding it.
Trump himself does nothing for that isn't designed to benefit himself politically or financially

[TheDemonLord]

Because it should never have been made and they knew it.

That does not answer the question.

This is about Audience and return on investment. Given CNNs typical audience, it is unlikely that a promotional interview will have any significant impact on the sale of her book. Therefore being asked to be paid for her time is entirely reasonable.

It is like the old Tradies trick of giving a ridiculous quote for work they don't want to do. And the figure quoted, when compared to other comparable people is not absurd.

[F5 Dave]

Speaking of grifts. This guy must be chasing a seat in Trump's next cabinet. He wants to spend millions of dollars of tax payer money on Trump bibles to put one in every Oklahoma classroom. So much for the separation of church and state?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/04/politics/oklahoma-schools-bible-trump/index.html

"The RFP from superintendent Ryan Walters is part of his ongoing push to put Bibles in every classroom. He has said that “every teacher, every classroom in the state will have a Bible in the classroom and will be teaching from the Bible in the classroom.”"

What? As a work of fiction?
Today children, we are going to look at how many times the Bible has been changed to suit the rulers, or ethnicity of the target 'marks' it is aimed at.

[TheDemonLord]

search on "melania trump pro bono appearances" doesn't return anything of substance

Neither does Michelle Obama Pro bono Appearances. :msn-wink:


yet if she had, there would be no shortage of maga/repub pages lauding it.
Trump himself does nothing for that isn't designed to benefit himself politically or financially

Would there - I will be honest, I care about Melania about as much as I care about Michelle Obama or Jill Biden. Which is, suffice to say, not a lot.

I would wager that most right-leaning people feel much the same way - they are not the person in the driving seat, so they are not a big consideration.

Personally, I find some of the fawning over First ladies nauseating - but that is just me. Before anyone asks - I had to google who Douglas Emhoff was - so this is not a gendered issue.

As for the last line - there is a whole host of individual anecdotes of people meeting Trump - many of which before he became President - outside of official functions or engagements - where (apparently) he is quite generous. IIRC there is an entire Reddit thread dedicated to people sharing their experiences of the Man.

And Reddit is known for having a left-wing bias.

[Dean]

This is about Audience and return on investment. Given CNNs typical audience, it is unlikely that a promotional interview will have any significant impact on the sale of her book. Therefore being asked to be paid for her time is entirely reasonable.

It is like the old Tradies trick of giving a ridiculous quote for work they don't want to do. And the figure quoted, when compared to other comparable people is not absurd.

Exactly, she is a businesswoman, high rates for jobs you don’t need or necessarily want because of the forecasted poor return.

What we’re witnessing here is the left CNN desperate for a headline on the Trump family to get clicks.

And guess what - the interview never happened…life goes on!

[pritch]

That does not answer the question.

This is about Audience and return on investment. Given CNNs typical audience, it is unlikely that a promotional interview will have any significant impact on the sale of her book. Therefore being asked to be paid for her time is entirely reasonable.

It is like the old Tradies trick of giving a ridiculous quote for work they don't want to do. And the figure quoted, when compared to other comparable people is not absurd.



CNN's typical audience? Wherever you have been you weren't paying attention. CNN is now controlled by a right wing nut job and he decided he'd like to poach audience share from FOX "News". He accordingly placed RWNJ sycophants in key positions. This happened long enough ago that one of his key appointees has since been fired. Anyway the consequence is that CNN has been shedding viewers in large numbers. CNN ain't what it used to be.

[TheDemonLord]

CNN's typical audience? Wherever you have been you weren't paying attention. CNN is now controlled by a right wing nut job and he decided he'd like to poach audience share from FOX "News". He accordingly placed RWNJ sycophants in key positions. This happened long enough ago that one of his key appointees has since been fired. Anyway the consequence is that CNN has been shedding viewers in large numbers. CNN ain't what it used to be.

Who is this supposed RWNJ... I had a quick look to see who you might be thinking of - no one had anything that stood out as particularly right wing views. Much less those needed to be RWNJ...

Although I have to ask - what *exactly* is the criteria for being considered an RWNJ - Wanting an enforced and managed Immigration system? Wanting less bureaucracy? Thinking the Taxation system is stifling economic growth and encourages government largesse?

If you wish to start that it is the the mirror image of my preferred political insult (calling Marxists as Marxists) - then fair enough - but the issue there is if you take the libertarian and individualist principal(s) to their nth degree, they aren't that crazy.

If, however, you mean someone who merely believes in a number of Conspiracy theories and has a general distrust of authority - then I do have to ask if that label is rescinded when we get confirmation that elements of said theory are true about 18 months later...

I agree CNN is not what it used to be. It went from a moderately central (albeit with a slight soft-left bias - but one well within the bounds of reasonable taste) - to full blown Guardian levels of twaddle. Hell, even the Guardian, if you look 20 years ago, has articles which although clearly written from a left-wing perspective - were factual and charitable to the opposing view(s) on an issue.

The shift of the Overton window has meant that for the average Left-winger, CNN is not Left enough and for the average Right-winger, it is too far left.

[pritch]

Although I have to ask - what *exactly* is the criteria for being considered an RWNJ - Wanting an enforced and managed Immigration system? Wanting less bureaucracy? Thinking the Taxation system is stifling economic growth and encourages government largesse?



Yep that'll do for a start. Anybody that believes Trump is going to do any of that would qualify. Trump's following is a cult so there is no point in trying to convince them.

[TheDemonLord]

Yep that'll do for a start.

I do not deny that there are people who do genuinely fit the term RWNJ - but I picked some of the most milquetoast policy positions (several of which would not be out of place on a Left-Wing party manifest of the 1990s) - and you think these are Extremist positions...


Anybody that believes Trump is going to do any of that would qualify. Trump's following is a cult so there is no point in trying to convince them.

Compare to Biden and compared to Obama, I would say in his first stint as President he did a pretty good job on those points.

Thinking that Trump will or won't achieve his stated policy goals is one things - but it does not, in-of-itself, qualify someone as a nut job.

[Kb2020dope]

The Democrats have had an alright little run over the last six weeks but as I predicted the wheels are starting to fall off. Kamala is falling apart, she can't handle speaking without a script. Walz is a joke.

It's been entertaining and I did genuinely believe Trump has some competition. I'm calling it early Trump has won this election.

Time to Make American Great Again!

[husaberg]

The Democrats have had an alright little run over the last six weeks but as I predicted the wheels are starting to fall off. Kamala is falling apart, she can't handle speaking without a script. Walz is a joke.

It's been entertaining and I did genuinely believe Trump has some competition. I'm calling it early Trump has won this election.

Time to Make American Great Again!
I see what you are saying that why she never held a press conferenece where she would have to answer unscripted questions for 2700 days whilst she was president.


oh wait I forgot that was resident trump. Weird people those trump supporters and trolls claiming to be trump supporters.


It’s been2789 days
since Donald Trump’s last press conference.
https://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505557146/president-elect-trump-breaks-with-long-history-of-press-conferences

[Stylo]

I see what you are saying that why she never held a press conferenece where she would have to answer unscripted questions for 2700 days whilst she was president.


oh wait I forgot that was resident trump. Weird people those trump supporters and trolls claiming to be trump supporters.

Anyone who supports a guy with multiple convictions and still claims he has the biggest brain in the world is instantly projected into the same box.

You need help.

[sugilite]

Before anyone asks - I had to google who Douglas Emhoff was - so this is not a gendered issue.

What I'm getting from that is you didn't Dig Dug?
As an aside, I well remember your deep concern for politically biased social media platforms swaying the 2020 election.
I've been waiting for you to write about the owner of X turning up at a recent Trump rally saying voters needed to vote in trump to save democracy. I'm sure the delay is down to the fact that you are working hard crafting your thoughts regarding that deeply concerning issue and I look forward to reading it ;)




Exactly, she is a businesswoman, high rates for jobs you don’t need or necessarily want because of the forecasted poor return.

What we’re witnessing here is the left CNN desperate for a headline on the Trump family to get clicks.

And guess what - the interview never happened…life goes on!
Welcome back Dean, what are your thoughts on trump and his right wing cronies sowing disgusting lies regarding the hurricane support for North Carolina? I view it repulsive that they would attempt to milk votes on the backs of those poor peoples misery. What is your take on their disinformation push?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-officials-struggle-quash-hurricane-helene-conspiracy-theories-2024-10-05/


The Democrats have had an alright little run over the last six weeks but as I predicted the wheels are starting to fall off. Kamala is falling apart, she can't handle speaking without a script. Walz is a joke.

It's been entertaining and I did genuinely believe Trump has some competition. I'm calling it early Trump has won this election.

Time to Make American Great Again!
Welcome back dope. Other than optimistic articles on right leaning "news" sites, I'm not seeing reports of the wheels falling of the Harris campaign? Nor have I seen her appearing to need teleprompters or scripts. She speaks quite well off the cuff, as evidenced in the debate with your mate that could not help but take the bait.
I'm puzzled by your Walz comment too. He strikes me as a down to earth guy in politics for the right reasons that can admit when he mis-spoke, or was wrong about something - most refreshing.
What is it about Walz that you find to be a "joke"?

[TheDemonLord]

What I'm getting from that is you didn't Dig Dug?

Hahaha well played, well played.


As an aside, I well remember your deep concern for politically biased social media platforms swaying the 2020 election.
I've been waiting for you to write about the owner of X turning up at a recent Trump rally saying voters needed to vote in trump to save democracy. I'm sure the delay is down to the fact that you are working hard crafting your thoughts regarding that deeply concerning issue and I look forward to reading it ;)

And as soon as we see Elon Musk doing the following:

- Changing the Twitter ToS to explicitly uphold right-wing concepts and values
- Blacklisting prominent Left-Wing accounts
- Revoking verification status of previously verified Left-Wing accounts for Wrong-think
- Colluding with various 3-letter agencies to actively suppress legitimate news stories that are damaging to the Republican cause

Then you shall have it.

And as a wee trip down memory lane: The accusation that Twitter had demonstrable internal biases went on long before the 2020 election (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185771-Free-speech?p=1131109394#post1131109394)

Remember how certain people laughed it as mere conspiracy - until Elon bought the company and confirmed that yes, there were internal blacklists and tools for de-promoting certain accounts.

Sarah Jeong appears to still have her Twitter account.

[sugilite]

^^^He Said -
- Changing the Twitter ToS to explicitly uphold right-wing concepts and values
- Blacklisting prominent Left-Wing accounts
- Revoking verification status of previously verified Left-Wing accounts for Wrong-think
- Colluding with various 3-letter agencies to actively suppress legitimate news stories that are damaging to the Republican cause

Then you shall have it.

Sugi says....
The last bullet point is a bit rich since trump did the same, but my main takeaway from all that is you would have no problem with zuckerberg turning up at a harris rally saying that everyone needs to vote for her to save democracy?

[TheDemonLord]

^^^He Said -
- Changing the Twitter ToS to explicitly uphold right-wing concepts and values
- Blacklisting prominent Left-Wing accounts
- Revoking verification status of previously verified Left-Wing accounts for Wrong-think
- Colluding with various 3-letter agencies to actively suppress legitimate news stories that are damaging to the Republican cause

Then you shall have it.

Sugi says....
The last bullet point is a bit rich since trump did the same, but my main takeaway from all that is you would have no problem with zuckerberg turning up at a harris rally saying that everyone needs to vote for her to save democracy?

That is what Social Media companies (all of them) have effectively been doing for the last 8 years or so. Along with a large number of supposedly impartial Media companies (BBC, CNN etc.)

Along with all the other stuff I listed above.

However, to make a point - I have not raised any issue with Taylor Swift expressing her opinion. I, of course, think she is wrong - be she is allowed to state her opinion.

That is no different than Elon or Zuckerberg stating theirs.

The moment, however, that they start tilting the playing field using opaque means whilst claiming transparency - I have an issue.

I could even make the argument that if Elon *was* doing all of the above, that would merely be offsetting all the of the censorship by the other social media companies - however, I believe that strict neutrality is the best policy - so I will not.

[sugilite]

^^Ok, fair enough.

[sugilite]

Fourth grade reading level? They give him too much credit me thinks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3cVHiyx3Q

[TheDemonLord]

Fourth grade reading level? They give him too much credit me thinks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3cVHiyx3Q

The irony of having a reel of mis-spoken quotes and then the presenter making a slip up herself...

[sugilite]

oh, that completely lets trump of his near daily gibberish :bleh:

[TheDemonLord]

oh, that completely lets trump of his near daily gibberish :bleh:

I dont find it gibberish.

But then - this is from the same news outlet that tried to tell us that:


'this version of Biden' is best version of Biden

In 2024...

So you will forgive me if I decline to accept them as any sort of authority on Rambling Gibberish.

[sugilite]

The nuclear is the biggest warming problem?
Sea level raising 1/8th of an inch over 50 years?
MK47's that he knows so well?
ALL IN THE FIRST 30 SECONDS!

And if course this, a modern trump word salad classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU

The dems were smart enough to ditch their word salad merchant, while the ball-less gop stand around with bright orange chins while their senile orangutan destroys their party. And idiots applaud from the sidelines because trump owns the libs.
Quite frankly, these days, I cherish conservative values more than you do.

[1/32 man]

https://i.postimg.cc/gJQVDqLN/IMG-8906.jpg

[TheDemonLord]

The nuclear is the biggest warming problem?
Sea level raising 1/8th of an inch over 50 years?
MK47's that he knows so well?
ALL IN THE FIRST 30 SECONDS!

And if course this, a modern trump word salad classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU

So, he wants to increase taxation by raising tariffs, to stop the US government operating in a massive Deficit (which is an issue that should terrify everyone), cut wasteful government spending - all of which are major drivers of inflation - Inflation which has a knock-on effect to Child Care cost.

What is so hard to comprehend about that?


The dems were smart enough to ditch their word salad merchant, while the ball-less gop stand around with bright orange chins while their senile orangutan destroys their party.

Methinks that the debate showed the nation that the Emperor had no clothes and that they could no longer lie in chorus with one-another to say it wasn't so.



And idiots applaud from the sidelines because trump owns the libs.

I'll get to that.


Quite frankly, these days, I cherish conservative values more than you do.

Which conservative values, exactly?

Let me start with what I would consider to be the most politically neutral but conservative (small c) vision:

That Men and Women form relationships, get married, have children and raise the next generation in their own home, free to live their lives within the bounds of their Natural Rights.

I want to pause here and ask if anyone wants to disagree with that?

If we can agree with that as a Conservative Value (and I believe we can) - then 'Owning the libs' as you put it is entirely on brand:

I do apologize for this Word Salad - but it is important to know this is the ultimate vision. (https://c-sage.medium.com/abolish-the-family-build-our-communities-why-the-nuclear-family-is-unsustainable-and-how-to-127a124aef65)

A different perspective, but ultimately just different shades of Marx. (https://theconversation.com/is-equality-compatible-with-the-nuclear-family-alva-gotby-proposes-a-radical-politics-of-friendship-199420)

And Again. (https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/want-to-dismantle-capitalism-abolish-the-family/)

I could go on.

My point is - if I take the most politically neutral 'conservative' (small C) value - hell one that the traditional working class Left-wing (but not Socialist) voter would entirely be on board with - the 'Libs' are opposed to that.

Owning the Libs, therefore, IS the most cherished conservative value - because the current Libs are entirely captured by Marxist ideas of which the entire goal is to destroy the Western Capitalist Patriarchal Heteronormative White Supremecist blah blah buzzword buzzword structure (Aka British Liberalism).

[pritch]

Fourth grade reading level? They give him too much credit me thinks.



Too much indeed. Trump is not actually intellectually handicapped but neither is he much above that level. As his first Secretary of State said, he's a fuclking moron.

[pritch]

And if course this, a modern trump word salad classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU


In case there are still people who haven't realised trump is an idiot. Note that he still thinks exporting countries will pay the tariffs he plans to impose. That is not how tariffs work.

[sugilite]

lots of stuff

Ha, the troll is strong with you today, not even right wing media tried to defend that verbal diarrhea shown in the video. Your so far gone maga you just don't realize it!

And Sorry mate, trump destroyed the conservative arm of the gop. You were just too busy cheering to notice. Your support of trump invalidates your conservative principles. Once trump is finally gone, and the TDS recedes, reality will once again makes an appearance. Then those principles will once again return - possibly with a side helping of "how did I ever fall for that schmuck". :bleh:

[sugilite]

In case there are still people who haven't realised trump is an idiot. Note that he still thinks exporting countries will pay the tariffs he plans to impose. That is not how tariffs work.

Trump 100 percent knows how tariffs work, he is just appealing to the dumb fuck magas that believe every word he utters. (probably also why he speaks at grade 4 level)

[TheDemonLord]

Ha, the troll is strong with you today, not even right wing media tried to defend that verbal diarrhea shown in the video. Your so far gone maga you just don't realize it!

And Sorry mate, trump destroyed the conservative arm of the gop. You were just too busy cheering to notice. Your support of trump invalidates your conservative principles. Once trump is finally gone, and the TDS recedes, reality will once again makes an appearance. Then those principles will once again return - possibly with a side helping of "how did I ever fall for that schmuck". :bleh:

Okay - but in all sincerity: What do you consider to be Conservative Principals?

And to be charitable - I would say that for me Conservative principals start from 'The Natural Rights of the Individual is the highest value'. From this idea we get individualism, Law and Order, Small Government, Property rights etc.

Whereas the current Left Wing starts from the position of 'The interests of the worse-off Group is of the highest value' - which is where you get concerns about Class, The less fortunate etc.

There are other elements - The Conservatives tend to internalize success and failure: You didnt get ahead because you didn't try hard enough and they succeeded because they worked harder than you.

Whereas the current left-wing externalizes success and failure: They are only rich because they had rich parents and I'm poor because the entire system is rigged against me.

I could be snide and add a barb about economics and maths - but for me those are the big ones.

I don't see Trump falling foul of the conservative principles I outlined and with one exception I see him opposed to the left wing principles.

The exception is the America First doctrine - aka Nationalism.

[husaberg]

Anyone who supports a guy with multiple convictions and still claims he has the biggest brain in the world is instantly projected into the same box.

You need help.
Exactly how does this work?
I am not sure how I have ever shown anything but utter disdain for the orangutang....?

[R650R]

What could possibly go wrong

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13938625/Boris-Johnson-joined-controversial-star-awkward-Trump-connection-Channel-4s-election-coverage.html

[pritch]

Trump says he will take legal action against Harris for saying he plans to implement Project 2025. Trump claims he knows nothing about it. This despite video evidence to the contrary and the fact that he is mentioned by name in the document some 312 times.

He displays a remarkable lack of knowledge of the American legal system for someone who has used it so often. It might demonstrate though why he usually loses.

[TheDemonLord]

and the fact that he is mentioned by name in the document some 312 times.

Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch Pritch (Assume I have done this 312 times)

Does that mean you agree with what I post?

[Dean]

Oh yes it must be right if they mention his name 312 times…

I think the threshold is around 311…

[Laava]

Exactly how does this work?
I am not sure how I have ever shown anything but utter disdain for the orangutang....?
I dont think that comment was directed at you…

Trump says he will take legal action against Harris for saying he plans to implement Project 2025. Trump claims he knows nothing about it. This despite video evidence to the contrary and the fact that he is mentioned by name in the document some 312 times.

He displays a remarkable lack of knowledge of the American legal system for someone who has used it so often. It might demonstrate though why he usually loses.
He is a very experienced loser. He just has trouble understanding when he loses as he has been so incredibly entitled his whole life. That is his superpower, entitlement!
"Make way for Captain Entitlement! Covfefe!!"

[pete376403]

Does this look like "conservative values" that you would support?

trump told Musk, on air, “Well, you, you’re the greatest cutter. I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in and you just say, ‘You want to quit?’ They go on strike. I won’t mention the name of the company, but they go on strike and you say, ‘That’s okay. You’re all gone. You’re all gone. So every one of you is gone.’ And you are the greatest. You would be very good.”

It’s actually illegal to fire people for striking or even threatening to strike.

He’s told several recent rallies that “I know a lot about overtime. I’ve hated to give overtime. I hated i. I get other people — I shouldn’t say this, but I’d get other people in. I wouldn’t pay.”

He’s previously called for ending the minimum wage. And opposes raising the current minimum, which hasn’t changed since 2009.

And yet those dirt poor Republicans think he’s on their side.

Why? The best explanation I ever heard was “He hates the same people we do.” And that gives them permission to ignore the fact he would be terrible for them economically.

I’m sure someone will comment that he gave low-income workers a tax break. He did. With a sunset clause. The cuts for businesses and the rich go on forever, but the cuts for everyone else — which accounted for just 17% of the total — expire in 2025, when trump expected to be finishing a 2nd term.

He gave low-income people a bribe, paid for with taxpayer money, to buy their votes.

This time he’s not even offering the bribe.

[TheDemonLord]

Does this look like "conservative values" that you would support?

trump told Musk, on air, “Well, you, you’re the greatest cutter. I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in and you just say, ‘You want to quit?’ They go on strike. I won’t mention the name of the company, but they go on strike and you say, ‘That’s okay. You’re all gone. You’re all gone. So every one of you is gone.’ And you are the greatest. You would be very good.”

It’s actually illegal to fire people for striking or even threatening to strike.

He’s told several recent rallies that “I know a lot about overtime. I’ve hated to give overtime. I hated i. I get other people — I shouldn’t say this, but I’d get other people in. I wouldn’t pay.”

He’s previously called for ending the minimum wage. And opposes raising the current minimum, which hasn’t changed since 2009.

And yet those dirt poor Republicans think he’s on their side.

Why? The best explanation I ever heard was “He hates the same people we do.” And that gives them permission to ignore the fact he would be terrible for them economically.

I’m sure someone will comment that he gave low-income workers a tax break. He did. With a sunset clause. The cuts for businesses and the rich go on forever, but the cuts for everyone else — which accounted for just 17% of the total — expire in 2025, when trump expected to be finishing a 2nd term.

He gave low-income people a bribe, paid for with taxpayer money, to buy their votes.

This time he’s not even offering the bribe.

Interesting points.

I have tried to find the full, unedited clips for the various quotes (as often context is conveniently omitted) - but I have not (that usually makes me suspicious)

Being against Unions and strikes - I mean - Margaret Thatcher comes to mind - anyone going to argue she wasnt espousing Conservative Values...

However, on Overtime - I have to weigh that comment against a policy to not tax overtime - Suffice to say I give more credence to the policy than the comment.

Minimum wage.

This one is interesting. It depends on what you conceptualize the Minimum wage as. There is the current Left-Wing argument that Minimum Wage should be a Living wage - whereby a person can earn it and afford to own a house, a car and support a family.

I do not subscribe to that theory.

Now, if you consider to be the Minimum wage to be something that entry level positions that require little to no training or specialist skills (Pizza Delivery driver for example) and is typically done by spotty-faced teenagers as their first job - then the Minimum wage is fine.

I am more in that camp than the former. I also happen to agree that a Minimum wage prices certain jobs out of the market (that is, they do not provide sufficient value to justify their existence).

That is the Philosophical part, now is the practical part:

You have two groups - both make different promises as to how their ideas will make your life better.

Both attempt their ideas - One group increases your standard of living, the other massively increases inflation. But let us go one step further - let us assume that Trump didn't increase anyones standard of living, lets say it was neutral or even a little bit worse....

Compared to Bidenomics and what that caused - it is a no brainer NOT to vote for the Democrats - as their ideas objectively do not work and do not generate the promised outcomes.

[R650R]

Prob should be in joke section…

Request seen on an American military fan page.

“Please do not book flights to travel on November 6. We need lots of empty seats for all the celebrities and sports stars who say they’ll leave the country if Trump wins”.

Mind you a lot said that the first time round…

[husaberg]

Prob should be in joke section…

Request seen on an American military fan page.

“Please do not book flights to travel on November 6. We need lots of empty seats for all the celebrities and sports stars who say they’ll leave the country if Trump wins”.

Mind you a lot said that the first time round…
chairs bra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDcrEI45Ao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfaf0R0Folo

[Pursang]

He is a very experienced loser. He just has trouble understanding when he loses as he has been so incredibly entitled his whole life. That is his superpower, entitlement!
"Make way for Captain Entitlement! Covfefe!!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbh9SW5Cgqg

[pritch]

“Please do not book flights to travel on November 6. We need lots of empty seats for all the celebrities and sports stars who say they’ll leave the country if Trump wins”.


Trump said last time that if he lost we'd never hear from him again. I wish...

Meanwhile there's ongoing idiocy from the Republicans and don't be confused. This has nothing to do with Trump lies about FEMA having no funds.

Because the strorms are demonstrably becoming more frequent and more dangerous because of higher ocean temperatures the Democrats in Congress considered it prudent to increase funding to FEMA the civil defence agency. The Republicans almost unanimously voted against it. It is majority Republican states that are normally worst hit. Having the best interests of their voters at heart was never a strong point of the Republicans but really?

[pete376403]

Trump speaks the truth!!


Trump did say one thing that rang true, though: “Our biggest threat to democracy is stupid people.”


https://newrepublic.com/post/187055/donald-trump-loses-train-thought-awkward-speech?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=pushly_launch

[pritch]

The results are in. Trump supporters are actually stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goo6oCMXmVo

[onearmedbandit]

A good friend is state side on holiday with his wife. They're in Alabama currently visiting places like Barber Motorsport Museum. He saw on the highway a motorcyclist with a patch that stated he was a 'Sons of Trump - MAGA Chapter'. I laughed and he linked this. Get your order in now before it's too late!

https://bikerlifeusa.com/products/sons-of-trump-t-shirt

[Laava]

What. The. Fuck.

[R650R]

A good friend is state side on holiday with his wife. They're in Alabama currently visiting places like Barber Motorsport Museum. He saw on the highway a motorcyclist with a patch that stated he was a 'Sons of Trump - MAGA Chapter'. I laughed and he linked this. Get your order in now before it's too late!

https://bikerlifeusa.com/products/sons-of-trump-t-shirt

The merchandise scene is full send over there for sure. Seems to have a following in the Mc culture over there


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrFN_AvZtgA

[pete376403]

TNR (the new republic) had a comment where trump has not yet actually stated that he is running for the presidency. Apparently when he does, at that point all money donated MUST be assigned to the election campaign. So up to that pint, anything received for trump shoes, bibles, watches, etc goes into his personal accounts rather than to the election. Expect any donations wrt to the hurricanes will not end up with the victims.

[Pursang]

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D5622AQFwpTnR2hqnvA/feedshare-shrink_2048_1536/feedshare-shrink_2048_1536/0/1691670767993?e=1731542400&v=beta&t=3aPkAqyb3k2LFlcgJHwMDFC7JyjtPcdJi9VJzDsH-hg

[pritch]

TNR (the new republic) had a comment where trump has not yet actually stated that he is running for the presidency. Apparently when he does, at that point all money donated MUST be assigned to the election campaign. So up to that pint, anything received for trump shoes, bibles, watches, etc goes into his personal accounts rather than to the election. Expect any donations wrt to the hurricanes will not end up with the victims.

That's correct in that Trump has not filed the paperwork. Once he does file all donations to his campaign must be declared. Meantime he can be accepting donations from whoever and the money can stay dark. That's not unique, George W Bush delayed filing too.

[pete376403]

Robert Reich on the 10 worst things about the trump presidency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdstZDCCgAc

[pritch]

Trump gave a speech at Coachella. There were twenty coaches ferrying people from the car parking to the venue and after the speech three to take them back. Too far for the elderly to walk and no toilets accessible. And these clowns want to run the country? At least that'd stop the punters leaving early.

[pete376403]

Trump gave a speech at Coachella. There were twenty coaches ferrying people from the car parking to the venue and after the speech three to take them back. Too far for the elderly to walk and no toilets accessible. And these clowns want to run the country? At least that'd stop the punters leaving early.

Wasn't there a case of trump saying Harris using buses (to get people from a parking point to a speech venue) was evidence that Harris has to bus in a supporting crowd else no-one would turn up?

[R650R]

Third assassination attempt??? Sheriffs arrest Sovereign Citizen nutter with fake licence plates, multiple passports and IDs, shotgun and pistol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9FQG4vO3Z0

[Pursang]

Third assassination attempt??? Sheriffs arrest Sovereign Citizen nutter with fake licence plates, multiple passports and IDs, shotgun and pistol.

Does he post on this thread?

[1/32 man]

What I cannot figure out is that the polls are saying the race is close!!!! WTF?

Can't the majority of US voters see the reality of teerump and his bullshed?

[TheDemonLord]

What I cannot figure out is that the polls are saying the race is close!!!! WTF?

Can't the majority of US voters see the reality of teerump and his bullshed?

Or maybe they remember how good their lives were under Trump and how bad it is under Biden and Harris.

[pritch]

Or maybe they remember how good their lives were under Trump and how bad it is under Biden and Harris.

Inflation is down, employment is up, the stock market is breaking records and wages are growing faster than inflation. That is the reality. And your cretin still thinks the exporting country pays the tariffs.

The mental gymnastics you have to perform in an effort to make him look even normal are getting ridiculous.

[Grumph]

Inflation is down, employment is up, the stock market is breaking records and wages are growing faster than inflation. That is the reality. And your cretin still thinks the exporting country pays the tariffs.

The mental gymnastics you have to perform in an effort to make him look even normal are getting ridiculous.

CBS has a good article on how Trump supporters have a totally different set of beliefs.

In Trumpworld things are very bad, neither the figures nor the government can be trusted.
Current reality is denied in favor of an alternate reality pushed by Trump, Musk and others.

[Pursang]

Or maybe they remember how good their lives were under Trump and how bad it is under Biden and Harris.

“Yeah y’all think that trump economy was good… yeah cuz it was MY economy—the one I gave him after 75 straight months of job growth that I handed over or him!!!!”
— Barack Hussein Obama, 44th President of the United States of America

Then:

https://i.imgur.com/9YJPL7f.jpeg

[TheDemonLord]

Inflation is down, employment is up, the stock market is breaking records and wages are growing faster than inflation. That is the reality. And your cretin still thinks the exporting country pays the tariffs.

The mental gymnastics you have to perform in an effort to make him look even normal are getting ridiculous.

Inflation is down sure, but not to the levels it was under Trump.

Employment is up because of people taking second jobs to make ends meet.

Wages may or may not be growing faster than inflation at the moment, however, they have a lot of catching up to do due to the massive inflation during the Biden presidency.

You talk about Mental Gymnastics - Who is guilty of that more - the person who says honestly that their quality of life and standard of living was better under Trump or the person who points to a myriad of stats to say that this cant possibly be true.

This is the sort of hubris of the Left and the Media:

'Our research says you must be doing better, so why arent you happy peasant?'

[TheDemonLord]

CBS has a good article on how Trump supporters have a totally different set of beliefs.

In Trumpworld things are very bad, neither the figures nor the government can be trusted.
Current reality is denied in favor of an alternate reality pushed by Trump, Musk and others.

If only there had been a set of circumstances, circa 2020 that kinda validated that skepticism of Experts and the Government.

If only...

[TheDemonLord]

“Yeah y’all think that trump economy was good… yeah cuz it was MY economy—the one I gave him after 75 straight months of job growth that I handed over or him!!!!”
— Barack Hussein Obama, 44th President of the United States of America

Then:

Except when you look at the data, you see a slow steady growth under Obama (this is true) then the rate of growth doubles under Trump.

Not forgetting, of course, that Obama started his presidency with the 2008 financial crisis and so economic growth is easy to achieve when you start from a crash.

[Pursang]

Boat Rally for trump in Florida, Yesterday!

AskAubry 🦝
@ask_aubry
If you are at a boat parade and there is a Nazi boat there and no one tries to kick out the Nazi, you are at a Nazi parade.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZz6NBUXIAAlIIZ?format=jpg&name=large

[TheDemonLord]

Boat Rally for trump in Florida, Yesterday!

AskAubry 🦝
@ask_aubry
If you are at a boat parade and there is a Nazi boat there and no one tries to kick out the Nazi, you are at a Nazi parade.

Did you see the video where other Trump supporting boats tried to hose them down - I guess not.

So, that quote:


If you are at a boat parade and there is a Nazi boat there and people try to kick out the Nazi, you are not at a Nazi parade.

That is a little more accurate.

[Pursang]

Did you see the video where other Trump supporting boats tried to hose them down - I guess not.

Just found it. 1 boat hit them with prop spray. So, I guess..... Good people on Both Sides???

Or.....maybe, it is just not permitted, to shout the quiet part out loud!

Now post the link of trump (and/or family) denouncing the American Nazi's.

My invested and informed opinion......MAGA = NAZI.

Correction: OK! Some of them are Billionaires....and Many, many are just Morons. (Check your bank balance, if you are not sure which one you are!)


...

[pritch]

Trump turned up an hour late to one of his speeches then just stood there on stage for almost forty minutes. Just standing, not speaking. Nothing unusual there then.

I await the various creative explanations with breathless anticipation.

[TheDemonLord]

Just found it. 1 boat hit them with prop spray. So, I guess..... Good people on Both Sides???

Or.....maybe, it is just not permitted, to shout the quiet part out loud!

Now post the link of trump (and/or family) denouncing the American Nazi's.

My invested and informed opinion......MAGA = NAZI.

Correction: OK! Some of them are Billionaires....and Many, many are just Morons. (Check your bank balance, if you are not sure which one you are!)

...

Hold up - we have gone from no one stopped them, to video footage of people trying to stop them (other reports I saw on the event indicated that other boaties tried to prevent them from taking part - but there was not footage of that).

I want to pause here - the initial tweet you cited was, objectively, a Lie.

So let me ask you this: Why do you believe the side that has to lie to you?

Let us put aside for a moment what you think of MAGA and ask the simple question: If it was as bad as claimed, why the need to lie?

I will grant you a modicum of both sides lie and exaggerate all the time - but on this, I think we have exceeded the threshold of acceptable puffery.

Now onto Maga being Nazi - Interesting take.

Especially when it is the Democrats that are openly engaging in antisemitic rhetoric (although to be fair, Marx was not too fond of the Jews and all the Fascists were former Socialists so...)

[pete376403]

So let me ask you this: Why do you believe the side that has to lie to you?

Let us put aside for a moment what you think of MAGA and ask the simple question: If it was as bad as claimed, why the need to lie?

I will grant you a modicum of both sides lie and exaggerate all the time - but on this, I think we have exceeded the threshold of acceptable puffery.

Do you apply the same standard to statements by trump? There is any amount of documents evidence that he constantly lies

[TheDemonLord]

Do you apply the same standard to statements by trump? There is any amount of documents evidence that he constantly lies

Depends what you mean by Lies.

Trump Exaggerates.

He went for a walk: It was a great walk, a Great American Walk, Perhaps the greatest walk ever in this big beautiful America, I love this place - it is the greatest country in the world (etc.).

Calling these 'Lies' is overegging the pudding. When ever you see 'Fact Checkers' who 'debunk' Trump speeches - you will see a lot of this:

He said it was the greatest economy, well in 1953 the economy was better so this is FAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSEEEEE.

To be clear - I draw a distinction between Trumps use of hyperbole and exaggeration (both of which can be attributed to his New York roots) and actual lies.

Now, to answer your question, even if you accept the above distinction, Trump - as a Politician - still Lies. My own beloved David Seymour, as a politician - still lies.

The baseline is not very high.

With that established - I now want to make a comparison - When Trump lies, what is the main thrust of his lying? To sum up - I would say that his accomplishments are the best. You can make a sound argue around egotism on that point - but I think deeper than that is Trump himself believes, to a degree what he is saying - and that the lie is aspirational.

What I mean by that last part is that if you tell someone something is impossible, they won't attempt it. If they believe it is possible (e.g. you have lied to them to say it is) - History has shown many times over that self-belief can bridge that gap.

Thus telling people America is the greatest country in the world or any of the myriad of other Trumpisms - I do not consider to be as bad.

Now I want to compare to two examples:

Joe Bidens mental health and the BLM Riots.

We had multiple instances of Joe being clearly cognitively impaired, for months and months (even years) - and yet this was routinely decried as some right-wing conspiracy and we were repeatedly assured (by multiple news outlets no-less) that Joe Biden was 'As sharp as a Tack' (curious how they all used the exact same verbiage...)

Then came the debate - What we got was a muddled old man who could not think straight.

Is that lie Aspirational? Is that Lie trying to encourage people to achieve greatness that they don't think is possible - or is that Lie one designed to make you not believe the reality you can clearly see.

The BLM riots - the best example was the image of a burning building in the background whilst a reporter was trying to convince you that it was a 'mostly peaceful protest' - Again - is this Lie something that is trying to build others up or is it a Lie that is trying to stop you being angry at something clearly wrong?

To conclude: I put it to you that most of what the Media calls Trump lies are more accurate to describe as mannerisms, but even if you accept that, yes - he still lies like all politicians do. JBP had a great quote which I can never find to attribute correctly - but it goes something like: "Trumps boasting was more palatable than Hillary's deliberate deception"

And that is what it comes down to.

[Pursang]

...
Wow! The trump weave is catching on!


Depends what you mean by Lies.............And that is what it comes down to.

LIES are LIES are LIES!

Actually, In this case, It comes down to whatever You are prepared to ignore, forgive, justify, deflect, deny, etc, in order to attempt to maintain your socio/political and financial philosophies.

LIE: 'They're eating the cats...they're eating the dogs....they're eating the pets, of the people that live there!'

LIE: 'Import tariffs are paid by the "other" countries'

LIE: 'Kamala Harris is retarded, stupid, unqualified to be a US President.'

LIE 'I didn't say that!...Did I say that?'


One more LIE from his 'team': trump doing his 'wobbly dance' and muttering to himself, on stage for 38 minutes, was actually a 'love-fest'.

[TheDemonLord]

...
Wow! The trump weave is catching on!

LIES are LIES are LIES!

Are they?

Let me reference the classic joke as to what the correct response in when your spouse asks if her bum looks big in something.

If you hear a kid practicing an Instrument, they are terrible, but they are clearly trying to improve - do you tell them that they are doing great or do you tell them that they sound bad. One is clearly a Lie, one is clearly not.

And Trump saying everything is the biggest, best, greatest etc. is more his way of speaking than anything else.


LIE: 'They're eating the cats...they're eating the dogs....they're eating the pets, of the people that live there!'

This one is interesting. I have seen some anecdotal reports from those areas (Not in Newspapers, mind) of people saying that certain communities have different culinary preferences.

And I want to just focus on this for a second - In my local Park we have Ducks, Geese and Eels. All of which have various cuisine associated with them. For the sake of argument though, I am going to just talk about Ducks.

We have a Duck hunting season in NZ, yet the same people that would hunt ducks for food - would not think to go into a public park and get a Duck to eat.

Other cultures do not have such a concept of a public park or that animals in a public park are not valid food sources.

Is it so far-fetched to think that some people who are used to catching wild animals anywhere (because that is their culture) would not look at an anglosphere public park (or even pets) and think 'There is just free food lying around here!'

Then I have to ask where did this come from - it is an awfully specific accusation, not the sort of thing one would just make up on the spot - Which makes me think that people have observed odd behavior and reported it, getting frustrated no one is listening and sending it out to any and all who will listen.

I want to end this rebuttal with a transcript of a call made to the Springfield Police:


“I’m sitting here, I’m riding on the trail, I’m going to my orientation for my job today, and I see a group of Haitian people, there was about four of ’em, they all had geese in their hands,”

So, is it a Lie? It seems to me that there are elements of this that are true or at the very least - plausible and supported by anecdotal evidence.


LIE: 'Import tariffs are paid by the "other" countries'

Yeah, this one is a fair critique. I dont entirely disagree with Trumps protectionist policies (especially when other countries are not beholden to the same level of compliance costs as the US), but this one is simply economically wrong.


LIE: 'Kamala Harris is retarded, stupid, unqualified to be a US President.'

Given the last 4 years, I would say this one is absolutely true.


LIE 'I didn't say that!...Did I say that?'

Need more context.

And so of the 4 examples - One I grant you, One I disagree with, One has elements of it which are either true or plausible (supported by eye witness police reports) and one needs more information.

If I were to do the inverse now - and give you 4 Trump statements I consider to be true and factual - would you be as charitable?

[Dean]

Trump turned up an hour late to one of his speeches then just stood there on stage for almost forty minutes. Just standing, not speaking. Nothing unusual there then.

I await the various creative explanations with breathless anticipation.

Cool story.

[Laava]

This made me laugh today.

[Pursang]

Are they?...........

It comes down to whatever You are prepared to ignore, forgive, justify, deflect, deny, etc, in order to attempt to maintain your socio/political and financial philosophies.

[1/32 man]

Depends what you mean by Lies.

Trump Exaggerates.


Dont forget about the alternative facts.

I can only hope for the sake of the free and rational world that trump gets slaughtered in the election.

I believe in karma.

[TheDemonLord]

Dont forget about the alternative facts.

I can only hope for the sake of the free and rational world that trump gets slaughtered in the election.

I believe in karma.

Are these the Alternative facts that in ~18 months turn out to be true?

[TheDemonLord]

It comes down to whatever You are prepared to ignore, forgive, justify, deflect, deny, etc, in order to attempt to maintain your socio/political and financial philosophies.

Does that not equally apply to you then?

This started because of a single picture and a lie and an accusation - I pointed out that it omitted several key events which drastically change the interpretation.

Which you seem to ignore, forgive, justify, deflect, deny, etc, in order to attempt to maintain your belief that Trump and Maga are akin to Nazis.

[pete376403]

Does that not equally apply to you then?

This started because of a single picture and a lie and an accusation - I pointed out that it omitted several key events which drastically change the interpretation.

Which you seem to ignore, forgive, justify, deflect, deny, etc, in order to attempt to maintain your belief that Trump and Maga are akin to Nazis.

Several? There was one clip of a boat showering the nazi boat with water. Other events may or may not have occurred, but as these fit your narrative, they are now facts. Without evidence they become opinions. And so we go around again

[pritch]

Cool story.

Life must be so much more comfortable if you can just ignore reality.

[TheDemonLord]

Several? There was one clip of a boat showering the nazi boat with water. Other events may or may not have occurred, but as these fit your narrative, they are now facts. Without evidence they become opinions. And so we go around again

Yes, there was one video, sure.

There were other eye witness reports that indicated they were not allowed to be a part.

However, let us focus on the one thing we both agree on - that a boat did something to actively dissuade the Nazi boat.

The original post was that if no one stops the Nazi Boat, you are at a Nazi Rally (paraphrased).

Since we know that someone did, in fact, try to stop the Nazi Boat, the subsequent conclusion is false.

(This is the classic logical Form)

However - did Pursang walk back his view that Maga = Nazi?

People often accuse me of having a narrative and being selective with interpretation, however when they engage in the same (and to a more egregious extent) the silence is deafening.

[Pursang]

.............However - did Pursang walk back his view that Maga = Nazi?...........

Wow!.....a repost of someones memey online comment re: NAZI's attending a trump event certainly was a huge 'Trigger Point'!

TheDemonLord doth protest too much, methinks! Really? IS that All you have?
This is your best defense of your choice of the increasingly demented, medically compromised and raving, convicted criminal for US President?

You are certainly Not convincing me!

But, forget the original triggering post (if you can), my take on the incident is as follows:

If Nazis in Full Regalia think that your MAGA event is an appropriate venue to publicly demonstrate their enthusiastic support,
and following that, you don't make a public statement to denounce that movement, then MAGA = NAZI.

[TheDemonLord]

Wow!.....a repost of someones memey online comment re: NAZI's attending a trump event certainly was a huge 'Trigger Point'!

TheDemonLord doth protest too much, methinks! Really? IS that All you have?

I love a good meme - but what you posted was factually not true.


This is your best defense of your choice of the increasingly demented, medically compromised and raving, convicted criminal for US President?

It is funny how as soon as Biden was stabbed in the back, suddenly all the accusations of Dementia and Medically compromised come flooding in.

Funny indeed.


If Nazis in Full Regalia think that your MAGA event is an appropriate venue to publicly demonstrate their enthusiastic support,
and following that, you don't make a public statement to denounce that movement, then MAGA = NAZI.

And if Maga can be seen trying to repulse the Nazis, then what - that clearly shows that the wider Maga movement is not on friendly terms with Nazism.

Even if I accept your movement of the Goalposts (I do not) - your position still is incompatible with the evidence. A Public statement is unnecesary to disavow something if your supporters already chased them off.

However - It looks like there has been a public statement made to denounce it - further refuting your point. (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-responds-swastika-flags-flown-during-boat-parade-1969075)

Isnt it funny how the news sources that you follow seemed to omit that fact, like the original meme omitted that they were chased away.

Almost like you are not being given the full picture, so as to colour your perception.

[neels]

It is funny how as soon as Biden was stabbed in the back, suddenly all the accusations of Dementia and Medically compromised come flooding in.
It's funny how the accusations from republicans of dementia and being medically compromised were the reason Biden stood down, along with continually mentioning his advanced age.

But seemingly there are no such concerns with the republican candidate of almost the same age, who is showing signs of diminished metal capacity, and refuses to release any medical records to demonstrate he is in a fit state of health to serve as president.

[TheDemonLord]

It's funny how the accusations from republicans of dementia and being medically compromised were the reason Biden stood down, along with continually mentioning his advanced age.

No, the reason Biden stood down is because after the Debate it was clear to everyone in spite of the desperate attempts to claim otherwise that the Emperor had no clothes.

There was a YT montage clip of various news anchors repeating the same vebiage calling Biden as Sharp as a Tack - yet on the Debate it was clear we had a confused old man who had stayed up past his bedtime.

It is not an accusation if it is demonstrably true.


But seemingly there are no such concerns with the republican candidate of almost the same age, who is showing signs of diminished metal capacity, and refuses to release any medical records to demonstrate he is in a fit state of health to serve as president.

He did the Dementia test, after pressure from the Democrats when he was President (something with IIRC Biden never did do...)

Is Trump getting on in years - sure.
Have I noticed any appreciable difference in his clarity or speech - not really.
He is still cracking jokes and ad-libbing a lot of his talking points which shows he still has his faculties intact.

The problem is two-fold, firstly it is one of Crying Wolf - since this claim was made way back in 2017, it was patently not true then and the continued shrieks do not add to legitimacy. The second is one of hypocrisy - Joe Biden was *clearly* senile and getting worse and worse - and those same people who prominently declared Trump was in cognitive decline were somehow silent. In fact some of them said how sharp Biden was.

At which point - they showed what their true motivation was (get rid of Trump at all costs) and all subsequent bleating can safely be ignored.


who is showing signs of diminished metal capacity

Slayer disputing that... (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fherjwn9u m9m41.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D20607594a27c4269d3c7 0bce372f1dfb77b8d9ea) :lol::lol::lol:

[pritch]

But seemingly there are no such concerns with the republican candidate of almost the same age, who is showing signs of diminished metal capacity, and refuses to release any medical records to demonstrate he is in a fit state of health to serve as president.

Trump has always managed to get the medical reports he needed. Dishonestly of course. Right back to the bone spurs certificate excusing him military service. His recent certificates and dementia tests were conducted, if they are actually conducted at all, by the 'Chief Medical Advisor' he appointed. The same doctor who was subsequently demoted by the US Navy for drunkeness and harassing staff among other things. If the doctor rejoices in the nickname 'Candyman' we can safely assume he offers all manner of extra services.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson

[neels]

He did the Dementia test, after pressure from the Democrats when he was President (something with IIRC Biden never did do...)

And there's no possibility that there might have been any decline of someone in their 70's in the intervening 6 years?


Have I noticed any appreciable difference in his clarity or speech - not really.
None so blind as those who don't want to see.....


He is still cracking jokes and ad-libbing a lot of his talking points which shows he still has his faculties intact.
if by ad-libbing you mean rambling through a series of incomplete thoughts that are completely unrelated to each other, or to the question that he's been asked, then sure, he's fine.

Of course this is irrelevant when he's (sort of, weirdly) dancing to random music for 39 minutes rather than actually answering questions.

[TheDemonLord]

Trump has always managed to get the medical reports he needed. Dishonestly of course. Right back to the bone spurs certificate excusing him military service. His recent certificates and dementia tests were conducted, if they are actually conducted at all, by the 'Chief Medical Advisor' he appointed. The same doctor who was subsequently demoted by the US Navy for drunkeness and harassing staff among other things. If the doctor rejoices in the nickname 'Candyman' we can safely assume he offers all manner of extra services.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson

They were conducted by the Physician to the President - and yes, that was Ronny Jackson... Who was appointed to that role by Obama.

[TheDemonLord]

And there's no possibility that there might have been any decline of someone in their 70's in the intervening 6 years?

There is every possibility, the problem is that the evidence used to make the claim is the same then as it is now.


None so blind as those who don't want to see.....

I am still able to understand a Trump speech just fine, the jokes he tells are relevant and witty - the type of thing that tends to go with dementia and cognitive decline.

But again - every time this gets raised - I get to point at Biden and his debate performance and remark smugly about the Pot calling the crystal glassware Black.


if by ad-libbing you mean rambling through a series of incomplete thoughts that are completely unrelated to each other, or to the question that he's been asked, then sure, he's fine.

So, a politician then...

Yes, Trump always has talked around issues, it is one of the reasons why he is so much fun to parody his style of speech - he meanders and goes off on tangents before coming back. That, in of itself, is not proof of dementia, cognitive decline or any other impairment asserted by armchair physicians.

Now, if you sincerely believe it to be so - that is fair - that is your opinion (to which you are entitled to) - but I just have to ask a sincere question in return: Does that not apply to Joe Biden, who is still the President?

If the answer is Yes - then I get to ask why has someone who is clearly impaired not resigned from the Presidency
If the answer is No - then what was it you said? Ah yes...

None so blind as those who don't want to see.....

The net result is to simply point out the different standard applied to Trump as applied to Biden.

[neels]

Does that not apply to Joe Biden, who is still the President?

He seems sharp enough, making off the cuff jokes referencing things said about him, and stupid things said by Trump


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuxdu5mpV1A

[TheDemonLord]

He seems sharp enough, making off the cuff jokes referencing things said about him, and stupid things said by Trump

In that clip, during the middle of the day, sure - seems mostly all there (a few slips here and there). But let us remind us of the other end of the spectrum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq0G1TMCw4Y

The Debate was held in the evening, some might say that this was sundowning.

[Pursang]

However - It looks like there has been a public statement made to denounce it - further refuting your point. (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-responds-swastika-flags-flown-during-boat-parade-1969075)

............ Almost like you are not being given the full picture, so as to colour your perception.

DAMN LIE: The NAZI group was NOT denounced by trump or his campaign.

Trump's campaign has dismissed the display as a false flag attempt by "liberal activists."

In a statement to Newsweek, Karoline Leavitt, Trump's national press secretary, said: "Kamala's supporters are reaching all-time lows. Social media posts show that genuine Trump supporters identified these idiots as liberal activists trying to create fake news. They clearly responded accordingly."

In a statement to Newsweek, the Anti-Defamation League said: "OBS is a small neo-Nazi network primarily based in Florida that distributes propaganda and holds in-person demonstrations to spread their white supremacist ideology.
OBS was formed in early 2023 by long time affiliates of Florida's overlapping white supremacist network."

The advocacy group StopAntisemitism wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that one of the people on the boat was "known antisemite Jon Minadeo II." It added that other people present were "his cronies from the GDL (Goyim Defense League)," which the Southern Poverty Law Center classified as a neo-Nazi group.

The boat NAZI's were just in trouble for Shouting the quiet part out loud, especially so close to the election. MAGA = NAZI

[pritch]

MAGA = NAZI

"Trump is fascist to the core."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-former-joint-chiefs-chair-trump-is-fascist-to-the-core/ar-AA1seFww

[pritch]

On leopards being unable to change their spots.

MSNBC report that Demetia J Trump is trying to pay Stormy Daniels to keep quiet. Again! And there are tapes.

[Pursang]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=908280711201065

[Berries]

MILF?



mf10ch

[Pursang]

MILF?
mf10ch

Sorry, trump is a MYTH!..... I had a tooth pulled out, I have a lithp!

[pritch]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=908280711201065

Gotta spread the love. LOL

[nerrrd]

Anyone who has elderly parents or relatives around the age of Biden (and no, 80 isn't the new 70, just like 50 isn't the new 40 etc etc, we all age differently) wouldn't find his senior moments in the least bit surprising.

Yes he's mildly cognitively impaired, but it's minor and perfectly normal for someone his age. Personally it doesn't concern me that he's still president, Reagan was getting pretty dotty towards the end of his presidency as well from what I remember, there's still enough people around them to get the job done, and I've no doubt he can focus well enough when he needs to.

I'd give Trump the same leeway, he's no spring chicken either, if he has the occasional slip up, doesn't mean he's not up to the job. Pretending Trump or Biden are in their prime is yet another example of both sides 'stretching' the truth, although I imagine in both cases their egos might be somewhat involved.

[Pursang]

https://freethoughtblogs.com/singham/files/2024/10/Bolling-Qnuts.jpeg

[F5 Dave]

Anyone who has elderly parents or relatives around the age of Biden (and no, 80 isn't the new 70, just like 50 isn't the new 40 etc etc, we all age differently) wouldn't find his senior moments in the least bit surprising.

Yes he's mildly cognitively impaired, but it's minor and perfectly normal for someone his age. Personally it doesn't concern me that he's still president, Reagan was getting pretty dotty towards the end of his presidency as well from what I remember, there's still enough people around them to get the job done, and I've no doubt he can focus well enough when he needs to.

I'd give Trump the same leeway, he's no spring chicken either, if he has the occasional slip up, doesn't mean he's not up to the job. Pretending Trump or Biden are in their prime is yet another example of both sides 'stretching' the truth, although I imagine in both cases their egos might be somewhat involved.
They have 380 million people. Why accept two old fucks who should be enjoying their dotage not leading the so called free world?

[TheDemonLord]

DAMN LIE: The NAZI group was NOT denounced by trump or his campaign.

Trump's campaign has dismissed the display as a false flag attempt by "liberal activists."

In a statement to Newsweek, Karoline Leavitt, Trump's national press secretary, said: "Kamala's supporters are reaching all-time lows. Social media posts show that genuine Trump supporters identified these idiots as liberal activists trying to create fake news. They clearly responded accordingly."

In a statement to Newsweek, the Anti-Defamation League said: "OBS is a small neo-Nazi network primarily based in Florida that distributes propaganda and holds in-person demonstrations to spread their white supremacist ideology.
OBS was formed in early 2023 by long time affiliates of Florida's overlapping white supremacist network."

The advocacy group StopAntisemitism wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that one of the people on the boat was "known antisemite Jon Minadeo II." It added that other people present were "his cronies from the GDL (Goyim Defense League)," which the Southern Poverty Law Center classified as a neo-Nazi group.

The boat NAZI's were just in trouble for Shouting the quiet part out loud, especially so close to the election. MAGA = NAZI

But they were Denounced - Again, something you said did not happen.

If you scrolled further down in the article you would find this section:

(Leavitt for reference is Karoline Leavitt, Trump's national press secretary)


Leavitt said Trump himself "abhors the hatred implied in these images." She called such behavior "unacceptable" and "against everything President Trump stands for."

She also said Trump had worked to expand the Civil Rights Act to protect Americans from antisemitism, referencing a 2019 executive order.

"President Trump is steadfast in the fight against bigotry," Leavitt said, adding that Trump would "restore our nation's greatness."

So no - Not a Damn Lie.

[TheDemonLord]

They have 380 million people. Why accept two old fucks who should be enjoying their dotage not leading the so called free world?

This is one issue that *could* recieve bi-partisan support, I have seen many commentators, both Right and Left talk about this, with gerontocracy thrown around.

Both sides can agree with the idea of Term Limits - the issue is that very often there are a number of walking corpses indentured persons that such a limit would affect - and neither side can risk loosing them for fear of loosing influence.

Case in point:

A Poll by David Pakman (Democrat left-winger, but not full on Progressive or Woke) (https://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow/photos/a.307205059324513/4699285796783062/?type=3)

and

Razorfist (More right than me) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DhBrTtn2Ho)

Both sides want Term limits.... But generally only for their opposition.

[Pursang]

But they were Denounced - Again, something you said did not happen.
So no - Not a Damn Lie.


I Read It!...just 'Weasel Words'......Leavitt is still referring to the "liberal activists" she blamed for the incident.

The trump position is clearly described in this “the enemy from within” statement: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/trump-military-enemy-from-within-election-day/index.html

CNN- Former President Donald Trump suggested using the military to handle what he called “the enemy from within” on Election Day, saying that he isn’t worried about chaos from his supporters or foreign actors, but instead from “radical left lunatics.”

“I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people. Radical left lunatics,” Trump said told Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo in an interview on “Sunday Morning Futures.”

“I think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” he added. .... MAGA=NAZI

[TheDemonLord]

I Read It!...just 'Weasel Words'......Leavitt is still referring to the "liberal activists" she blamed for the incident.

But it is still a denouncement.

What was it you said - ah yes:


It comes down to whatever You are prepared to ignore, forgive, justify, deflect, deny, etc, in order to attempt to maintain your socio/political and financial philosophies.

Whether or not you believe the Trump campaign view that these individuals were liberal activists (all Fascists were former Socialists ;) ) or not - the fact is, they were denounced by both Trump and the Trump campaign - something you said did not happen.

This follows the same pattern as the tweet you posted in the opening exchange: Someone posts something and says Trump or Maga or Republicans dont oppose it, therefore Nazis.

I then post up the very opposition that was claimed not to exist - thus refuting the premise and therefore the conclusion - yet you still hold the same conclusion.


The trump position is clearly described in this “the enemy from within” statement: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/trump-military-enemy-from-within-election-day/index.html

CNN- Former President Donald Trump suggested using the military to handle what he called “the enemy from within” on Election Day, saying that he isn’t worried about chaos from his supporters or foreign actors, but instead from “radical left lunatics.”

“I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people. Radical left lunatics,” Trump said told Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo in an interview on “Sunday Morning Futures.”

“I think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” he added. .... MAGA=NAZI

2 assassination attempts on Trump.
0 on Kamala.

I think that alone is justification and proof of which side is the bigger threat.

[pete376403]

Another "weave" lie:

“John Deere … announced about a year ago they’re gonna build big plants outside of the United States. Right? They’re going to build them in Mexico,” Trump told the Economic Club of Chicago Tuesday. “I said, ‘If John Deere builds those plants, they’re not selling anything into the United States.’ They just announced yesterday they’re probably not going to build the plants, OK? I kept the jobs here.”

But the company had made no such announcement, CNN reported Wednesday, finding nothing in any media reports or John Deere’s corporate releases. A spokesperson for the company confirmed to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that they hadn’t made any such announcements or changed their plans to shift some of their production.

https://newrepublic.com/post/187235/trump-john-deere-story-tariffs-fact-check

[TheDemonLord]

Another "weave" lie:

“John Deere … announced about a year ago they’re gonna build big plants outside of the United States. Right? They’re going to build them in Mexico,” Trump told the Economic Club of Chicago Tuesday. “I said, ‘If John Deere builds those plants, they’re not selling anything into the United States.’ They just announced yesterday they’re probably not going to build the plants, OK? I kept the jobs here.”

But the company had made no such announcement, CNN reported Wednesday, finding nothing in any media reports or John Deere’s corporate releases. A spokesperson for the company confirmed to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that they hadn’t made any such announcements or changed their plans to shift some of their production.

https://newrepublic.com/post/187235/trump-john-deere-story-tariffs-fact-check

Is it?

Sept. 25, 2024 - Trump threatens Deere with 200% tariffs if it shifts manufacturing to Mexico (https://www.agriculturedive.com/news/trump-deere-tariffs-mexico-manufacturing-election/728059/)

then

Sep. 26, 2024 - John Deere: ‘We are not moving production to Mexico’ (https://www.thegazette.com/business/john-deere-we-are-not-moving-production-to-mexico/)

Those two news stories (neither of which appear to be from a particularly partisan source) could easily be read as supporting Trumps claim.

This one where each claim can be true, depending on a certain viewpoint.

[neels]

Another "weave" lie:

“John Deere … announced about a year ago they’re gonna build big plants outside of the United States. Right? They’re going to build them in Mexico,” Trump told the Economic Club of Chicago Tuesday. “I said, ‘If John Deere builds those plants, they’re not selling anything into the United States.’ They just announced yesterday they’re probably not going to build the plants, OK? I kept the jobs here.”

But the company had made no such announcement, CNN reported Wednesday, finding nothing in any media reports or John Deere’s corporate releases. A spokesperson for the company confirmed to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that they hadn’t made any such announcements or changed their plans to shift some of their production.

https://newrepublic.com/post/187235/trump-john-deere-story-tariffs-fact-check

It seems to be fairly widely reported elsewhere that some manufacturing is being moved to Mexico.

So the statement by Trump that they are planning to build plants outside the US is true, and old news, but that they are now not going to do this because of what he said is bollocks.

Oddly, the article reporting the response to Trump's statements, that John Deere are not moving production to Mexico, states that they are moving some production to Mexico.....:weird:

It appears that Trump and John Deere management are equally confused, and equally ok with making statements that aren't true.


Deere is not “moving production to Mexico as continues to be reported, instead, we’ve strategically leveraged our footprint in Mexico for cab production.”

That announcement was made in 2022, affecting approximately 250 jobs at the Waterloo plant. Deere announced the work would be moved to Ramos Component Works in Mexico. That transition will be completed this year. By 2026, Deere will do the same for mid-size skid steers and CTLS.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13968449/john-deere-backlash-layoffs-production-shift-mexico.html

https://www.thegazette.com/business/john-deere-we-are-not-moving-production-to-mexico/

[TheDemonLord]

It seems to be fairly widely reported elsewhere that some manufacturing is being moved to Mexico.

So the statement by Trump that they are planning to build plants outside the US is true, and old news, but that they are now not going to do this because of what he said is bollocks.

Oddly, the article reporting the response to Trump's statements, that John Deere are not moving production to Mexico, states that they are moving some production to Mexico.....:weird:

It appears that Trump and John Deere management are equally confused, and equally ok with making statements that aren't true.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13968449/john-deere-backlash-layoffs-production-shift-mexico.html

https://www.thegazette.com/business/john-deere-we-are-not-moving-production-to-mexico/

I disagree with the part about him saying it being bollocks (obviously) - because there is a perspective that there is an element of truth to it (as per the headline).

I would imagine though the proof will be what John Deere does (not necessarily says) after the election, if Trump wins and we curiously see no scaling up of Manufacturing in Mexico, then I think we can safely infer that there is a nugget of truth to Trumps side of the story.

I think in all reality, John Deere are trying to say just enough that it can be interpreted by either side as supporting their view - as they neither want to piss off their primary customers (who are most likely Trump fans) or their Investors (The biggest being Bill Gates).

With a sufficient shade of grey, both sides can claim it as black or white.

[husaberg]

Another "weave" lie:

“John Deere … announced about a year ago they’re gonna build big plants outside of the United States. Right? They’re going to build them in Mexico,” Trump told the Economic Club of Chicago Tuesday. “I said, ‘If John Deere builds those plants, they’re not selling anything into the United States.’ They just announced yesterday they’re probably not going to build the plants, OK? I kept the jobs here.”

But the company had made no such announcement, CNN reported Wednesday, finding nothing in any media reports or John Deere’s corporate releases. A spokesperson for the company confirmed to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that they hadn’t made any such announcements or changed their plans to shift some of their production.

https://newrepublic.com/post/187235/trump-john-deere-story-tariffs-fact-check

You have to laugh
He makes a claim that isn't true then claims they changed the mind about it and it was because of him. claiming the lie being caught out as a win.

Almost like how he can cherry pick his claims about being responsible for things that happened after his defeat and then then deny responsibility for what happened that was bad during and after his term. This is not even including the hundreds the false claims he makes.

What is pathetic is his supporters are stupid enough not to see through this.
Then again I guess it should be expected .As they are stupid enough to support him.:wacko:

[Dean]

You have to laugh
He makes a claim that isn't true then claims they changed the mind about it and it was because of him. claiming the lie being caught out as a win.

Almost like how he can cherry pick his claims about being responsible for things that happened after his defeat and then then deny responsibility for what happened that was bad during and after his term. This is not even including the hundreds the false claims he makes.

What is pathetic is his supporters are stupid enough not to see through this.
Then again I guess it should be expected .As they are stupid enough to support him.:wacko:

Heres a simple explanation for you:

Trump said: no don’t build a full manufacture plant in Mexico!

Full manufacture = lots of parts made together to make a tractor!

Current JD full manufacture plants in Mexico: 0!

Future full manufacture plants in Mexico: Spokesperson confirms 0!

[husaberg]

Heres a simple explanation for you:

Trump said: no don’t build a full manufacture plant in Mexico!

Full manufacture = lots of parts made together to make a tractor!

Current JD full manufacture plants in Mexico: 0!

Future full manufacture plants in Mexico: Spokesperson confirms 0!

Please read the post you quote before offering an opinion to my what my posts say, As you are currently actively proving the last two sentences to be correct. Cheers.

[Dean]

Please read the post you quote before offering an opinion to my what my post say, As you are currently actively proving the last two sentences to be correct. Cheers.

Firstly, please spell check and review your posts before responding.
“To my what my post say” - doesn’t make sense.
Also make sure to use full stops instead of commas.

Now onto Trump supporters - you were saying?

Cheers.

[Kb2020dope]

Two and a half weeks out from election day. I can't wait for Trump to reclaim his spot as leader of the free world!

I have one small request for you left leaning folk in this group. When the results come in I would like to see you accept the loss in a respectful manner. I'm sick of reading your outrageous conspiracy theories and fear when Trump wins the entire thread will turn into a complete joke.

Thanks team.

[Pursang]

2 assassination attempts on Trump.
0 on Kamala.

I think that alone is justification and proof of which side is the bigger threat.


Well, well, TheDL, I certainly Agree with that Statement.

Only a toxically severe, national and constitutional threat would be expected to cause former registered GOP voters to wish to remove their 'Dear Leader'.

[Pursang]

Appearing at a town hall hosted by Univision, Trump was confronted by a self-identified Republican named Ramiro González who cast Trump’s actions surrounding Jan. 6 as a dealbreaker for him.
González challenged Trump to win his support.

But Trump made no apologies for that day. What he instead did was actually link himself to the rioters — stronger than he ever has before.

“There were no guns down there; we didn’t have guns,” Trump said, before repeating: “The others had guns, but we didn’t have guns.”

The first thing to note is that’s false; Trump supporters did have guns and many other weapons. But also consider what Trump has done rhetorically. He cast the insurrectionists as a “we.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/17/trump-jan-6-insurrection/

In a further Demented Super Blooper he also stated "Ashli Babbitt died...Nobody died!", resulting in a visible shocked recoil from some attendees.

(Fact Check: Ashli Babbitt Did die. A bipartisan Senate report found that at least seven people had lost their lives in connection with the Jan. 6 attack.)

[Pursang]

https://image.upilink.in/ib/uAjodfWnIp4Xavz_1729215546.jpg

[pete376403]

Two and a half weeks out from election day. I can't wait for Trump to reclaim his spot as leader of the free world!

I have one small request for you left leaning folk in this group. When the results come in I would like to see you accept the loss in a respectful manner. I'm sick of reading your outrageous conspiracy theories and fear when Trump wins the entire thread will turn into a complete joke.

Thanks team.

So you don't think they (left leaning folk) should all assemble at the congress on jan 6th, riot and attack the House to prevent the result being declared? No that would be appalling, almost an attempt at a coup, wouldn't it

[TheDemonLord]

Well, well, TheDL, I certainly Agree with that Statement.

Only a toxically severe, national and constitutional threat would be expected to cause former registered GOP voters to wish to remove their 'Dear Leader'.

Yes - registered GOP voters - who donated to Radical Left Wing causes repeatedly. You have a clear history of left-wing activism, then someone registers as a Republican around the time to try and vote against Trump in the Primaries - and you sincerely believe that they were an actual republican...

Do you think a Republican would have missed that shot...

[TheDemonLord]

The first thing to note is that’s false; Trump supporters did have guns and many other weapons. But also consider what Trump has done rhetorically. He cast the insurrectionists as a “we.”

If you go back several dozen pages in this thread, you will see this argument played out (IIRC between myself, Pritch, Sugillite and a few others) - In all the footage and video of Jan 6th that I have seen - I have not seen any picture of any sizeable number of people with Long Guns (Rifles).

When we consider the US context and this was republicans - Yeah, they really didnt have Guns.

[TheDemonLord]

So you don't think they (left leaning folk) should all assemble at the congress on jan 6th, riot and attack the House to prevent the result being declared? No that would be appalling, almost an attempt at a coup, wouldn't it

I think that all the Left Leaning folk who are so inclined should absolutely assemble and absolutely protest.

And if the Police want to take them on guided tours and open doors for them, I think they should be free to do so.

Maybe smoking weed in the Senate Office is a bit of a stretch - but so long as they peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard, I am fine with it.

I mean - lets be honest - it would be a stop up in decorum from the BLM riots if they were to simply do the same as last time.

[TheDemonLord]

One thing I am quite looking forward to for this election cycle is to see what the Voting Stats look like. Now, I will grant that since Joe was stabbed in the back and ousted, it is not a perfect like-for-like comparison - but in there are a number of things that I am interested to see what they look like.

For example

- What the total Vote count is. If you look at the last ~20 years of elections, the total vote count has been reasonably consistent for both sides around the 60 Million mark - with notable exceptions being Barack Obamas first election in 2008 (but he was wildly popular then) - but that was only 69 Million - an Increase, but within +/- 10% of other vote tallies. Then you have Biden whose vote tally is 81 Million! Nearly 30% higher than the previous highest vote tally.

- What the split is in certain states. If you look at Georgia between 2020 and 2016, we see Trump with a small increase in his previous tally in that state - everyone that voted for him last time voted again for him this time and a few more. But we see nearly a million extra votes for Biden, that is a 25% increase - whereas if we compare to Obama, we see although he lost that state, his numbers (and again, wildly popular candidate in 2008) are within +/- 10% of previous numbers.

Suffice to say - I am highly interested in what the numbers say.

Now - to be clear, if the numbers settle back down to be in-line with previous election cycles, it does not mean that there was or was not any form of fraud or election cheating or anything. And certainly it is not evidence enough to stand in front of a Judge and deliver a convincing argument.

But, to my dear friends who frequent these arguments - should that come to pass, would you be willing to say that the 2020 election results were disproportionately unusual?

[R650R]

Now - to be clear, if the numbers settle back down to be in-line with previous election cycles, it does not mean that there was or was not any form of fraud or election cheating or anything. And certainly it is not evidence enough to stand in front of a Judge and deliver a convincing argument.

But, to my dear friends who frequent these arguments - should that come to pass, would you be willing to say that the 2020 election results were disproportionately unusual?

They will have to agree on a few things first, I note with amusement the thread title has been updated. The allegations far…

Trump stole his first election with corrupt influence by a foreign enemy superpower namely Russia.

Biden fairly won the next election has USA elections cannot not possibly be subject to fraud or outside election due to great integrity of the process.

Trump will steal the next election via fraud despite not being in power and being under constant surveillance by the FBI et al amongst a plethora of various fraud and criminal investigations

Trump is broke and a complete business failure but will use the great wealth he doesn’t have to unfairly gain an advantage.

On a side note a business article that caught my eye showed the big money businesses of the world positioning themselves for a trump win. Eg they were heavily investing in oil/gas sector and other places that will benefit under his rule. And it was significant amounts.

Oh well let the train wreck continue the various comedians I follow need some new material, Tyler Fischer does great impressions of all sides in the game.

[Berries]

I note with amusement the thread title has been updated.
Was not me and I cannot edit it. If I could it would be 'Trump. Laughing stock.'

[Laava]

Bit dodgy tho.

[Berries]

I mean, how people see him as presidential material is just beyond me. Out of all those people in the USA surely they could come up with someone who appears honest enough you would be willing to buy a car off them.

Trump? Fuck off. Dodgy as. Whole country is a laughing stock for simply having him on the ballot paper.



No offence.

[1/32 man]

Thanks Berries for starting the thread. It has become a bit of a morning focus for me.


I mean, how people see him as presidential material is just beyond me. Out of all those people in the USA surely they could come up with someone who appears honest enough you would be willing to buy a car off them.

Trump? Fuck off. Dodgy as. Whole country is a laughing stock for simply having him on the ballot paper.

Totally agree and am reminded of that quote, "America is not a country, it is a business"

[Laava]

, "America is not a country, it is a business"
Starting to wonder if in fact Elon is going to be the president with Trunt just giving the orders. That's if Trunt doesnt accidentally disappear up Elons arse before the election!
Cannot imagine any other explanation for Elon wanting to hang around with him…

[Grumph]

Starting to wonder if in fact Elon is going to be the president with Trunt just giving the orders. That's if Trunt doesnt accidentally disappear up Elons arse before the election!
Cannot imagine any other explanation for Elon wanting to hang around with him…

I can. IMO quite a lot of Elon's history both business and private life is dodgy.

A Presidential Pardon is a very useful thing.

[husaberg]

Starting to wonder if in fact Elon is going to be the president with Trunt just giving the orders. That's if Trunt doesnt accidentally disappear up Elons arse before the election!
Cannot imagine any other explanation for Elon wanting to hang around with him…
As well as power Musks business relies strongly on US GOVT money in orders and subsidies.
He can then leverage these contracts and subsidies to further enrich himself, much like the starlink network.
This power over its users allows him to changes the course of the war in Ukraine to help Putin and other rich dicks.


SpaceX is, after all, primarily a government contractor, racking up $15.3 billion in awarded contracts between 2003-2023
Moreover, SpaceX’s business model has been working with NASA to develop space vehicles like the Falcon 9 and Dragon that it can then offer to private customers.
They aren’t the result of an entrepreneur acting alone.
SpaceX sought and is still seeking $885 million in government funding to support broadband access in rural communities.
Tesla, on the other hand, has actually benefitted from a number of outright subsidies created by the US government to encourage the development of electric vehicles to reduce carbon emissions. Notably, the auto company received a $465 million preferential loan from the US Department of Energy in 2010, which it paid off in 2013.


Through 2020, the company benefited significantly from tax credits given to consumers who buy electric cars, which have reduced the cost of Tesla vehicles by $4,000 to $7,500. One attempt to track all these subsidies, including state and local incentives to support manufacturing facilities, estimates the total benefits at nearly $3 billion.

[R650R]

I can. IMO quite a lot of Elon's history both business and private life is dodgy.

A Presidential Pardon is a very useful thing.

If you compare his promises to shareholders vs what he delivers he’s very close or perhaps worse than Elizabeth Theranos who went to jail for her multi billion scam.

Founded in 2003 by then 19-year-old Elizabeth Holmes, Theranos raised more than US$700 million from venture capitalists and private investors, resulting in a $10 billion valuation at its peak in 2013 and 2014. The company claimed that it had devised blood tests that required very small amounts of blood and that could be performed rapidly and accurately, all using compact automated devices that the company had developed. These claims were proven to be false.

[Pursang]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/466000/story_image/Goebbels-Miller.png?1509228202

Steven Goebbels addressed a MAGA meeting in Arizona accusing the 'Govment' of putting Illegal Immigrants into busses and moving them across the country.

If I recall, it was Republican State Governors, particularly Abbot in Texas, doing just that!

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/24/greg-abbott-eric-adams-migrant-busing-new-york/

MAGA = NAZI

[Laava]

Maga=putin

[pritch]

That new thread title may be prophetic. Hopefully after Jan 20th we can forget him, apart from the ongoing prosecutions, but the historians and psychiatrists will be just starting work. Working on him and the people who believed a self-confessed sexual abuser, adjudicated rapist, convicted fraudster, traitor, and conman.

In the words of an aide Trump is "broken". That is an understatement. He has been cancelling most interviews, those he does attend are unhinged. At a recent rally the PA didn't work so he just paced back and forth for nearly fifteen minutes, not even swaying to the music this time. He didn't even attempt to speak the old fashioned way.

The material he chooses to talk about has always been weird: electric boats won't float because the batteries would be too heavy. He'd rather die of an electric shock from the battery than be attacked by a shark. Which indicates that he understands neither boats nor electricity. Hannibal Lecter? Now he's talking about the size of Arnold Palmer's dick.

His latest was a visit to McDonalds where he had the opportunity to demonstrate that he didn't understand fryers. This was an attempted dig at Harris who Trump claimed never worked at MdDonalds because it's not on her CV.

When challenged about the people eating pets he said he didn't know whether that was true or not but asked, "What about the geese?" Geese were indeed shot but the shooter was not a Haitian, it was a white guy.

The followers will require to be getting ever more creative to excuse his demonstrated failings - and their own gulliibility.

[pritch]

And as is so often the case with Drumpf his visit to Maccas was a stunt. The place was closed.

[onearmedbandit]

And as is so often the case with Drumpf his visit to Maccas was a stunt. The place was closed.

You'd have to check every car going through the drive thru for weapons hahaha

[pritch]

You'd have to check every car going through the drive thru for weapons hahaha

Yeah. They had snipers on the surrounding buildings, but he has walked into fast food outlets previously.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah. They had snipers on the surrounding buildings.

Of course, my comment was more about the pics taken of him serving the drive thru (to employees) rather than just the general public rolling up. I know if I made the mistake of going to McD's I wouldn't be expecting a search of both myself and my car. So I guess it makes sense to have it closed.

[R650R]

And as is so often the case with Drumpf his visit to Maccas was a stunt. The place was closed.

Par for course for most high level politicians including our own at times. Various workplaces I’ve worked have had MPs visit at times. They are always guided by management to a pathway that eliminates the chances of hard questions from Joe blogs blue collar worker.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-mcdonalds-2024-presidential-election-pennsylvania-73e55c8c1db4adc2a547b62bd5142be3

I reckon this thread will go past 500 pages no worries. People just can’t let go. The memes will carry on and it’s an easy virtual voodoo doll for people to vent life’s frustrations til someone worse shows up. If he wins this will romp past a thousand pages….


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T76bCZwnF4Q&pp=ygUUZm9yYmVzIGJyZWFraW5nIG5ld3M%3D

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[pritch]

Of course, my comment was more about the pics taken of him serving the drive thru (to employees) rather than just the general public rolling up. I know if I made the mistake of going to McD's I wouldn't be expecting a search of both myself and my car. So I guess it makes sense to have it closed.

Security would probably have been even worse if Trump was president. Some years back then President Obama visited Marc Maron at his house to appear on the WTF podcast. At first Maron's neighbours were excited at the news. Days prior to the interview the SS started checking everybody in and out of the street. By the time Obama actually arrived the novelty had worn off. The SS erected a tent from the street to Maron's door so that the VIP visitor would not be visible to any would be assassin as he walked from the car to the house. There were the usual snipers etc but that tent particularly impressed me.

[TheDemonLord]

So, who had on their 2024 bingo card Trump doing the Podcast circuit (he seems to be doing long-form interviews left, right and centre) - but of all the most unexpected:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9lXnwuZ2qs

The Undertaker and Trump

[Pursang]

....
Pro Wrestling is the Perfect Analogy for trump.

Noisy, ugly, flashy, rude, classless and totally removed from reality. Perfect appeal to his base.

In case you missed it ..here is Dave Bautista's take on trump as a "Whiny Little Bitch"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGxwn_N9DtE

[TheDemonLord]

....
Pro Wrestling is the Perfect Analogy for trump.

Noisy, ugly, flashy, rude, classless and totally removed from reality. Perfect appeal to his base.

In case you missed it ..here is Dave Bautista's take on trump as a "Whiny Little Bitch"

I like Dave, he works primarily in Hollywood now - and likely knows what opinions will further or hinder his career.

[pritch]

Decades ago now there was a brutal rape and murder in Central Park. Five black kids were arrested. They were denied lawyers or family, were brow beaten and possibly beaten until they confessed. Trump took out a full page ad in the NY Times demanding their execution. They received long jail sentences but decades later were released and paid millions. IIRC there is a movie about these events.

During his debate with Harris Trump decided to dredge this up again. He has now received a letter from lawyers representing the five that they are initiating defamation action.

The action might well succeed but whether Trump can pay up or not is in doubt. He is having difficulty raising the money he needs for bonds now. By the time this gets to court he might be broke

[Stylo]

I like Dave, he works primarily in Hollywood now - and likely knows what opinions will further or hinder his career.

I work with a guy who's a staunch Trump supporter. White, in his late 40's, intellegent but very quiet. Lives on his own, no wife. Nothing will sway him from believing Trump is the man for the job however, despite Trump being a convicted criminal, a serial liar, a promise breaker and a proven sexual offender. Like the Demon Lord he is obviously a cult member too. But my mate 'Tom' is actually a nice guy too On the surface.

I've read many things about cults and how brain washed their members are. Nothing will convince these people anything but what they believe in. If Trump said he wants to be a fascist Dictator for the duration of his term, his followers will bow down to his words. That must be the way to go. Logic goes out the window.

Ever the faithfull to the Cult leader. The highest order. Blindness to reality always takes second place to the order of the cult.

You will never win an argument with ' Tom ' or the Demon Lord .

Try as you might. They've been brain washed, you're wasting your time.

I've tried it with the Guy at work. Evidently Kamala is behind some conspiracy or another one.

Give me a fucking break.

[sugilite]

Two and a half weeks out from election day. I can't wait for Trump to reclaim his spot as leader of the free world!

I have one small request for you left leaning folk in this group. When the results come in I would like to see you accept the loss in a respectful manner. I'm sick of reading your outrageous conspiracy theories and fear when Trump wins the entire thread will turn into a complete joke.

Thanks team.
Mate still making out you have the mana to make requests in the thread huh. It is an election for the USA, not the "free World". This thread has always been a joke - thanks to the subject matter. I'm sure you won't have a problem with anti trumpers being as gracious as trump was from 2020 to date - yes?


I work with a guy who's a staunch Trump supporter. White, in his late 40's, intellegent but very quiet. Lives on his own, no wife. Nothing will sway him from believing Trump is the man for the job however, despite Trump being a convicted criminal, a serial liar, a promise breaker and a proven sexual offender. Like the Demon Lord he is obviously a cult member too. But my mate 'Tom' is actually a nice guy too On the surface.

Yep, my long time mate from the USA is a trump voter, I deliberately do not talk trump, but the other day he did a bit of a rant on saying the evil dems had stopped hurricane aid ala despicable trump lie. There is heaps of videos showing gop governors praising the gubberment response. I asked my mate if he he knew that trump LIE (tdl will characterize as an exaggeration :facepalm:) had been debunked? To which he replied "Dunno, I just believe what the media tells me". And there it is in a nutshell as to how the trump cult exists with seemingly smart people getting sucked in. All it takes is a bit of thoughtless laziness. Though I have come to realize there is also a large subset of magas that know trump is a out and out criminal and they just don't care. These people can hand their conservative principles in at the door of the maga cult HQ because they are traitors to the conservative cause and are just tribe before truth cultists now.

[TheDemonLord]

I work with a guy who's a staunch Trump supporter. White, in his late 40's, intellegent but very quiet. Lives on his own, no wife. Nothing will sway him from believing Trump is the man for the job however, despite Trump being a convicted criminal, a serial liar, a promise breaker and a proven sexual offender. Like the Demon Lord he is obviously a cult member too. But my mate 'Tom' is actually a nice guy too On the surface.

I've read many things about cults and how brain washed their members are. Nothing will convince these people anything but what they believe in. If Trump said he wants to be a fascist Dictator for the duration of his term, his followers will bow down to his words. That must be the way to go. Logic goes out the window.

Ever the faithfull to the Cult leader. The highest order. Blindness to reality always takes second place to the order of the cult.

You will never win an argument with ' Tom ' or the Demon Lord .

Try as you might. They've been brain washed, you're wasting your time.

I've tried it with the Guy at work. Evidently Kamala is behind some conspiracy or another one.

Give me a fucking break.

Okay - Honest question: Have you every asked your friend Tom why he thinks the way he does?

I am willing to bet he has his reasons and I am further willing to bet that none of them are indication of Cult-like thinking.

Here is the thing from the pro-Trump side, nearly everything you have said in your rebuttal has context.

You say he is a convicted Criminal - I say they had to massively overeach a misdemenor to a felony and the charges were... laughable.
You say he is a serial liar - I have expanded on this numerous times, most of what are regarded as Trump lies are not - and the rest that are - are well within the bounds of any normal politician.
You say he is a promise breaker - Again, Politician. And the key promises that I care about, he seems to have kept.
You say he is a proven sexual offender - I say civil cases have a lower standard of proof, Groupies exist and curiously these allegations didnt come out until it was politically conveiniant.

Now - you are probably rolling your eyes and muttering about brainwashed this and that - but let me share with you something sincere - If the mainstream media was to release a story about Trump tomorrow, my first inclination is that it would either be a Lie or would be extremely selective with the Truth.

I can cite a dozen different examples off the top of my head where this has occurred. The most recent exchange in this thread about a Boat that was accepted as part of the rally (it was actively chased off) and that there was no denouncement (there was multiple denouncements) is one such example.

Call it confirmation bias if you like - but my first instinct when I read a negative story is to go off and find what actually happened and what they are lying about - and 99 times out of a 100 - I find the same tactics of omitting certain facts, lying, deceptive editorializing.

As just one example - with the whole working at McDonalds thing - Trump says Kamala never worked at McDonalds - the Headline will loudly proclaim something about Trump lying.... Then half-way through the article concede that McDonalds have said they dont have any evidence of her working there and in a copy of her Resume from the 80s she does not list McDonalds as work experience. Does that mean Kamala didnt work at McDonalds - maybe, maybe not - but to call it as a lie, when at the very least there is sufficient evidence to cast doubt on Kamalas claim is dishonest.

I am loathe to use this term - TDS - but the simple fact is that there are an entire cohort of Media that used to love Trump and the minute he ran for President turned on him and portrayed him out to be the next Dictator. I have seen too many co-ordinated smear attempts and too many overeaches of governmental power and so from my sincere and honest position - whatever the next scandal that breaks is - I simply dont care, because the likelihood is that if I dig into it with any degree of depth - I will find the same over-blown Trumped up (pun intended) and malicious actions that I have found on every other occassion.

If you think that is Cult-like thinking, you do you. However, I am willing to bet your friend Tom, if you show him this, will likely nod in agreement - perhaps not on all things - but on the overarching sentiment that the Media has cried Wolf too many times.

[sugilite]

Trumps defense at his trials - "I'm the president, I should not be tried" and VERY LITTLE else.
Says he will take the stand every trial - then doesn't.
Delay, delay, delay - are not the actions of a person wanting to prove they are innocent.

A corrupt Florida judge dismisses the documents trial on false pretenses with zero case law precedents on the un asked for advice from the corruptest supreme court judge ever - all on the day of the GOP convention. Too cute by far. This is the case even Bill Barr labeled as condemning.
Trump is a criminal through and through. If the dems get back in, they need to sack soft cock Garland and put a pitbull in that will administer swift trials and justice. Get the prick in jail before he dies of old age FFS.

[Stylo]

Okay - Honest question: Have you every asked your friend Tom why he thinks the way he does?

I am willing to bet he has his reasons and I am further willing to bet that none of them are indication of Cult-like thinking.

Here is the thing from the pro-Trump side, nearly everything you have said in your rebuttal has context.

You say he is a convicted Criminal - I say they had to massively overeach a misdemenor to a felony and the charges were... laughable.
You say he is a serial liar - I have expanded on this numerous times, most of what are regarded as Trump lies are not - and the rest that are - are well within the bounds of any normal politician.
You say he is a promise breaker - Again, Politician. And the key promises that I care about, he seems to have kept.
You say he is a proven sexual offender - I say civil cases have a lower standard of proof, Groupies exist and curiously these allegations didnt come out until it was politically conveiniant.

Now - you are probably rolling your eyes and muttering about brainwashed this and that - but let me share with you something sincere - If the mainstream media was to release a story about Trump tomorrow, my first inclination is that it would either be a Lie or would be extremely selective with the Truth.

I can cite a dozen different examples off the top of my head where this has occurred. The most recent exchange in this thread about a Boat that was accepted as part of the rally (it was actively chased off) and that there was no denouncement (there was multiple denouncements) is one such example.

Call it confirmation bias if you like - but my first instinct when I read a negative story is to go off and find what actually happened and what they are lying about - and 99 times out of a 100 - I find the same tactics of omitting certain facts, lying, deceptive editorializing.

As just one example - with the whole working at McDonalds thing - Trump says Kamala never worked at McDonalds - the Headline will loudly proclaim something about Trump lying.... Then half-way through the article concede that McDonalds have said they dont have any evidence of her working there and in a copy of her Resume from the 80s she does not list McDonalds as work experience. Does that mean Kamala didnt work at McDonalds - maybe, maybe not - but to call it as a lie, when at the very least there is sufficient evidence to cast doubt on Kamalas claim is dishonest.

I am loathe to use this term - TDS - but the simple fact is that there are an entire cohort of Media that used to love Trump and the minute he ran for President turned on him and portrayed him out to be the next Dictator. I have seen too many co-ordinated smear attempts and too many overeaches of governmental power and so from my sincere and honest position - whatever the next scandal that breaks is - I simply dont care, because the likelihood is that if I dig into it with any degree of depth - I will find the same over-blown Trumped up (pun intended) and malicious actions that I have found on every other occassion.

If you think that is Cult-like thinking, you do you. However, I am willing to bet your friend Tom, if you show him this, will likely nod in agreement - perhaps not on all things - but on the overarching sentiment that the Media has cried Wolf too many times.

This is funny. I can't argue with stupid. Struggling here

Trump recently said he was the father of IVF. Fact. He said it.

Please clarify and prove this . We're all waiting.

Trump once said he has the biggest brain in the world. Look it up. Your Trump. Your Cult leader .

Please expand on this, in medical terms. What does that mean ? He said it, so, it must be true.

Donald Trump promised everyone that he would build the wall back in 2016 hundreds of times and Mexico would pay for it. He lied. The wall was never finished and Mexico did'nt pay a cent.

He is a multiple convicted felon and a proven sexual offender. Fact.

Don't blame the media, fact are facts mate. Yo've been watching too much Fox news.

Here's more ....



https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/10/politics/fact-check-trump-pennsylvania-speeches/index.html

[husaberg]

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Trump“We have checked with McDonald’s, and they say, definitively, that there is no record of Lyin’ Kamala Harris ever having worked there,” he wrote Sunday afternoon. “In other words, she never worked there, and has lied about this ‘job’ for years.”


[Notice the rhetorical jump there: from “no record of working” to “never worked.” It’s like saying that, if America’s collective memory and documentation of its history suddenly evaporated, we could prove that Trump was never president, since no record of his having done so exists.IN 1983 was in the pre-digital-data era, and employment records for short-term workers at franchised fast-food chains from that period were almost certainly not considered essential documents to retain

[pritch]

A corrupt Florida judge dismisses the documents trial on false pretenses with zero case law precedents

Believe it or not that may be the least corrupt thing Cannon has done. If she had dismissed the case once the trial was underway that would have been final. The Justice Department could not appeal because of the double jeopardy laws. Because the trial had not started the Justice Department can appeal. Of course it may go all the way to the Supreme Court which may, or may not, still be corrupt depending on the outcome of the election.

[Pursang]

I like Dave, he works primarily in Hollywood now - and likely knows what opinions will further or hinder his career.

So? that's an acknowledgment that trump is unlikely to regain the presidency again..again?

[Pursang]

Here's a timeline of what will likely go down!

Substitute Democrats / Liberal lunatics / foreign ancestry, etc. for the Jews (but not completely)

https://thecycle.substack.com/p/what-really-happens-if-trump-wins

MAGA =NAZI

Now, granted, trump is likely to be 'sectioned', ASAP, and replaced by vance and his Heritage foundation handlers under amendment 25.

The NAZI things are likely to be far better managed and controlled without trumps random lunacy! Expect "Well regulated militias"!

trump will be 'pardoned' and allowed to play Golf, if he behaves (yeh! good luck with that).

Don't be afraid....Be Very Afraid!

[TheDemonLord]

So? that's an acknowledgment that trump is unlikely to regain the presidency again..again?

I mean, Hollywood represents a very small voting block in one state that is heavily blue.

So, No....

[pritch]

Wot no hair net?

[Laava]

Wot no hair net?
And this, sir, is the face-dunk basket.

[TheDemonLord]

This is funny. I can't argue with stupid. Struggling here

Trump recently said he was the father of IVF. Fact. He said it.

Please clarify and prove this . We're all waiting.

- Watches the heavily edited clip on CNN
- Watches the full, in context Clip elsewhere.
- Notes the laughing either side of it clearly indicating he is cracking a Joke.

Now - what was it I said earlier?


but my first instinct when I read a negative story is to go off and find what actually happened and what they are lying about - and 99 times out of a 100 - I find the same tactics of omitting certain facts, lying, deceptive editorializing.

You just proved my point, yet again.


Donald Trump promised everyone that he would build the wall back in 2016 hundreds of times and Mexico would pay for it. He lied. The wall was never finished and Mexico did'nt pay a cent.

He sure did, and the Democrats did everything to stop the wall being built. Now - I want to ask this - we had 4 years of illegal Migration stats under Trump and 4 years of illegal Migration stats under Biden - which set looks better - go on.


He is a multiple convicted felon and a proven sexual offender. Fact.

Convicted Felon - On a misdemeanor that had expired the statute of limitations that they used a convoluted (and never tried before...) means to upgrade to a Felony
Proven Sexual offender - Only with the much lower standard of Civil court - the preponderance of evidence as opposed to beyond all reasonable doubt.


Don't blame the media, fact are facts mate. Yo've been watching too much Fox news.

Here's more ....

Everyone always says that - but I can honest say I do not watch Fox news, ever. The facts that you state are subject to a lot of interpretation - case in point - your IVF statement - Blaming the media for dishonestly clipping a joke and making it out to be a statement of fact (for example) is a perfect example.


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/10/politics/fact-check-trump-pennsylvania-speeches/index.html

I looked at the first few - and again we have lies and more lies from CNN, even when they concede that there is a factual basis for what Trump said - they still brand it a Lie.

Case in point Trump says Harris doesnt do interviews. To any native speaker and anyone paying attention to this election cycle - it is pretty clear what he meant - she has done maybe 1 or 2 - the most recent one being terrible. Trump has done a myriad (including all the Podcast circuit). CNN then go on to acknowledge this but then call it a Lie anyway because she has done 1. It is completely dishonest on the part of CNN.

[TheDemonLord]

Here's a timeline of what will likely go down!

Substitute Democrats / Liberal lunatics / foreign ancestry, etc. for the Jews (but not completely)

https://thecycle.substack.com/p/what-really-happens-if-trump-wins

MAGA =NAZI

Now, granted, trump is likely to be 'sectioned', ASAP, and replaced by vance and his Heritage foundation handlers under amendment 25.

The NAZI things are likely to be far better managed and controlled without trumps random lunacy! Expect "Well regulated militias"!

trump will be 'pardoned' and allowed to play Golf, if he behaves (yeh! good luck with that).

Don't be afraid....Be Very Afraid!

I am curious - I read the entire article - and for someone who has studied Fascism for 4 whole years - she never actually talks about the Fascist ideology or explains *exactly* why Trump is a Fascist.

She just asserts it.

Clearly, a very well read and learned 4 whole years of studying...

[Pursang]

I am curious - I read the entire article - and for someone who has studied Fascism for 4 whole years - she never actually talks about the Fascist ideology or explains *exactly* why Trump is a Fascist.

She just asserts it. Clearly, a very well read and learned 4 whole years of studying...



How about another renowned Historian? - Ruth Ben-Ghiat Oct 17, 2024... https://lucid.substack.com/p/is-trump-a-fascist (https://lucid.substack.com/p/is-trump-a-fascist)

"I stand by what I wrote in 2021: in some ways, the label of Fascism is too reductive for Trump, who praises Communist dictators as much as he praises the Fascistic leaders Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orban. More recently, with his suggestion that the U.S. military could be used on “the enemy within,” i.e. for domestic repression, Trump channels Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet more than Adolf Hitler or Benito Mussolini, who had their blackshirt and brownshirt militias and paramilitaries and secret police for domestic operations".

"Yet it is beyond doubt that Trump has provided a new stage and a new context for Fascist ideologies and practices, many of which have roots in American extremist traditions and histories as well".

"The similarities are myriad, and it was my knowledge of the history of Fascism that allowed me to see how dangerous Trump was from the start. It is telling that those who know the most about the threats Trump represents, because of their access to intelligence and national security information, are now speaking out and labeling Trump as “fascist to the core.”

That is a quote from Gen. Mark Milley, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as cited in a new book by Bob Woodward, to consider alongside former Secretary of State, Senator, and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s labeling of Trump’s recent rhetoric about immigrants and other “enemies” as “blatantly fascist.”

Trump is what a Fascist demagogue looks like in 2024 America, and Trumpism aims to defeat our democracy and establish a form of governance that would have strong similarities with Fascism as well as other experiences of authoritarianism. Those are the stakes of this election."

[TheDemonLord]

How about another renowned Historian? - Ruth Ben-Ghiat Oct 17, 2024... https://lucid.substack.com/p/is-trump-a-fascist (https://lucid.substack.com/p/is-trump-a-fascist)

"I stand by what I wrote in 2021: in some ways, the label of Fascism is too reductive for Trump, who praises Communist dictators as much as he praises the Fascistic leaders Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orban. More recently, with his suggestion that the U.S. military could be used on “the enemy within,” i.e. for domestic repression, Trump channels Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet more than Adolf Hitler or Benito Mussolini, who had their blackshirt and brownshirt militias and paramilitaries and secret police for domestic operations".

"Yet it is beyond doubt that Trump has provided a new stage and a new context for Fascist ideologies and practices, many of which have roots in American extremist traditions and histories as well".

"The similarities are myriad, and it was my knowledge of the history of Fascism that allowed me to see how dangerous Trump was from the start. It is telling that those who know the most about the threats Trump represents, because of their access to intelligence and national security information, are now speaking out and labeling Trump as “fascist to the core.”

That is a quote from Gen. Mark Milley, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as cited in a new book by Bob Woodward, to consider alongside former Secretary of State, Senator, and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s labeling of Trump’s recent rhetoric about immigrants and other “enemies” as “blatantly fascist.”

Trump is what a Fascist demagogue looks like in 2024 America, and Trumpism aims to defeat our democracy and establish a form of governance that would have strong similarities with Fascism as well as other experiences of authoritarianism. Those are the stakes of this election."

Yes... An Authoritarian whose key campaign promise is to shrink the size of the Federal government and limit the power and scope of Government Agencies. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

*Deep Breath*

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

But even if we put that part to the side (which is a pretty massive part to excuse) - She says things like:

Drain the swamp is borrowed from Il Duce (Mussilini) and provides a link to another blog post of hers - Her Evidence? Mussilini tried to hide Italian problems from tourists and drained some swamps.

Not that he used the phrase, not that it was a campaign promise, not that the Phrase 'Drain the Swamp' as used by Trump has any philosophical lineage to any of Mussilinis speeches or policies.

For the record - I cannot stand Vox - but looking at the experts they contacted - Roger Griffin in particular - as a far more cited expert than Ruth - none of them agree that Trump is a Fascist... but the best bit is... it is including Ruth Ben-Ghiat saying he is not a Fascist.... (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21521958/what-is-fascism-signs-donald-trump)

And all of them are hostile towards Trump, what is interesting is the common theme - he is an Individualist, not a collectivist (see the above part about shrinking the size of the government - yknow - that Classic Fascist move....)

Ruth is entitled to her opinion - but I think the problem she is, is that she is now hysterical that Trump is going to win and is trying to throw out every accusation against Trump she can to try and prevent him winning.

[Pursang]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GagsSyXWMAAmlHN?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Pursang]

Maga = nazi

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[sugilite]

Trumps abject corruption for the one judge he has ever said anything nice about, before she even rendered her completely corrupt decision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK14YIfCEAk

And to settle the nazi discussion, lets hear it from his former chief of staff. He knows trump personally if course and has seen the criminals actions first hand. This puts that discussion to bed.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/23/g-s1-29490/trump-john-kelly-fascist-dictator

[TheDemonLord]

Trumps abject corruption for the one judge he has ever said anything nice about, before she even rendered her completely corrupt decision.

And to settle the nazi discussion, lets hear it from his former chief of staff. He knows trump personally if course and has seen the criminals actions first hand. This puts that discussion to bed.

Ah, the John Kelly claims - the ones that are disputed by multiple people saying that the quotes are false.

[sugilite]

^Your previous posts in this thread in breathless defense of near all things trump render your comments as essentially being propaganda. You need new material. When ever I have chosen to dig deep into your posts and be relentless at digging for more actual facts from you, your "points" most often evaporate into big nothings - ala your barbershop blues and I'm still waiting for you to show me a larger right wing media organization than fox in the USA. Hint, there is not one.
Just as in this case. Kelly said it in an interview mate. took me 10 seconds to find that out.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kelly-former-white-house-chief-staff-on-trump/

The fall of TDL is sad, once a fairly serious debater, now just a propagandist for a criminal.
I hope you make it back to true conservatism one day - the world democracies needs the balance of it. Supporting the criminal facist who is burning it to the ground is just mind boggling.

[pete376403]

TDL loves trump in all things and probably wishes we had a similar PM / dictator here. Sometimes i wish the same, especially the bit about sending immigrants, both legal and non legal, back to their home countries. I'm sure TDL would love to be back in UK under Starmer

[TheDemonLord]

^Your previous posts in this thread in breathless defense of near all things trump render your comments as essentially being propaganda. You need new material. When ever I have chosen to dig deep into your posts and be relentless at digging for more actual facts from you, your "points" most often evaporate into big nothings - ala your barbershop blues and I'm still waiting for you to show me a larger right wing media organization than fox in the USA. Hint, there is not one.

Larger - in what sense - I do not know where this obsession with me and Fox news comes from - I do not subscribe to Fox news, I do not watch Fox news in any regular capacity - the only exception is when they have things like full coverage of a Debate - and even then - if CNN has the same coverage of the thing I want to watch and comes up higher in the search results - I am just as likely to watch it via CNN.

In terms of outright size - yes, Fox is probably the largest - but when we factor in size vs reach, it gets more murky.

For example - on YouTube - Fox News has 12 million Subscribers, they put out videos nearly every hour. most getting tens of thousands of views.

Then you compare to say Ben Shapiros YouTube channel - 7 million subscribers, less content, but much higher engagement.

If you look at Trump doing the Podcast interview circuit - I have seen him on the Shawn Ryan show (Ex Navy Seal, CIA Contractor), The Undertakers podcast (WWE Hall of Famer), Theo Von (not sure how you would classify him) Valuetainment etc.

These long-form interviews where people of different backgrounds get to ask Trump about issues they are passionate about and allow Trump to speak at length on them.

I will note as well that at least one of them (Shawn Ryan) has made an explicit and public offer to Harris to do the same. And FWIW - I would probably listen to that. I remember when Bernie Sanders was on Joe Rogan, I didnt agree with much that Bernie said - but I found it interesting to listen to his point of view.

These smaller (in terms of outright size) that are less 30 second soundbites, but longer discussions are IMO what is driving the Right Wing conversation in the Anglosphere (and to be fair, there are equivalent Left-Wing sources)

Fox news for me represents a background noise - lots of low-quality videos that are generally not worth it. At least when Tucker was working for them, it was occassionally interesting (there is much I dont agree with Tucker on), same too with Megyn Kelly.

Is Fox news driving debate or discussion or policy - I do not think so to any meaningful extent. Often they are behind the ball on any cultural issues - case in point - LibsofTikTok simply reposting what certain people are freely posting on the internet, but to a Conservative audience to make them aware of what they are saying and doing.

To end - it is not a defense of all things Trump, I am going to reference again Ben Shapiro - who I enjoy listening to, despite disagreeing a lot with him on various issues (mainly the issues where he has an opinion informed by his Jewish faith) - Ben has been very critical on Trump on certain issues - and despite disagreeing with Ben on some of these critiques, I find them to be fair critiques. For example, Ben takes issue with Trumps tweeting (I personally like it) and his beavior around Women. Both of which are completely valid from a certain perspective.

What Ben is not doing is taking Trump cracking a joke or engaging in his over-the-top New Yorker-esque hyperbole (everything is the biggest, greatest, best etc.) and claiming every little thing is a lie or deception or proof of whatever the claim du joure is.

If the Mainstream left-wing media was to fairly criticise Trump, you might find that they get more mileage with the undecided swing voter - but as I said elsewhere - they have cried wolf too many times.

And the result - well, I look at Real Clear Politics for their aggregated polls - and across all the Swing states - Trump is ahead (and we have to remember that Polling consistently underestimated Trump in the last 2 election cycles)


Just as in this case. Kelly said it in an interview mate. took me 10 seconds to find that out.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kelly-former-white-house-chief-staff-on-trump/

The comment attributed to Trump, praising Geman generals - as claimed by Kelly is disputed by multiple other people. I do not deny Kelly has said things.


The fall of TDL is sad, once a fairly serious debater, now just a propagandist for a criminal.
I hope you make it back to true conservatism one day - the world democracies needs the balance of it. Supporting the criminal facist who is burning it to the ground is just mind boggling.

That presupposes I think him a Criminal - I do no not - I have given my reasons and I know we disagree on this point.

I stand by the notion that Conservatism at the moment exists on the axis of Individualism - Less regulation, smaller government, more personal rights and responsibilities. Is Trump perfect - No, but when I look at say the abject failure of the UK Conservatives, He looks pretty damn good - his push back against the university educated, soft-left managerial mid-level beaurocrat is something that I see as necessary. To quote that infamous conservative comedian George Carlin: You dont need a formal conspiracy, these people went to the same schools, studying the same things, are in the same social circles and have the same interests.

[TheDemonLord]

TDL loves trump in all things and probably wishes we had a similar PM / dictator here. Sometimes i wish the same, especially the bit about sending immigrants, both legal and non legal, back to their home countries. I'm sure TDL would love to be back in UK under Starmer

Yes, I wish Luxton was more Trumpish - that said, National have been a pleasant surprise and seem to be doing what they said they would be doing - so long as it continues, I can live with it.

Yes, Trump wants to deport Illegal Migrants - as should every other sane Politician in every country - the fact that this is even a debate is wild to me - when 20 years ago, this was an uncontested point between Left and Right.

As for sending Legal Migrants back - I think this refers to refugees - and that is a more complex question - which is contingent on whether or not you think the refugees are legitimate and whether or not they are having a negative impact. The UK is famously struggling with that question.

However, since I am neither Refugee nor here Illegally - Even in Trumps most fevered of fever dreams, I would be staying put.

But yes - Keir Starmer is a joke, but then to be fair - the Conservatives were hadly any better.