Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

Trump had issued an executive order federalising law enforcement in DC. The mayor and the police chief were to have no say in law enforcement. Trump had appointed the head of the DEA as police commissioner. None of which is legal.

A judge has now ordered the mayor to ignore Trump and she and the Police Chief are to resume control of the police. Trump's minions are to follow the customary advice regarding sex and travel.

[Pursang]

https://i.imgur.com/4TbVBO1.jpeg

[sugilite]

Trump dazzles with his efforts to stop the wars.

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[pritch]

When Trump told Zelenskyy that before he ordered in the troops DC was the most dangerous place on earth Zelenskyy shot trump a startled look. He did recover quickly though, and Trump went back to recounting imaginary conversations.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=the%20independent

[Pursang]

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[Laava]

That is fucking awesome! 😂😂😂

[Pursang]

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[pritch]

The latest song from Jesse Welles "The List."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYbb_e6NHWU&list=RDKYbb_e6NHWU&start_radio=1

[pritch]

Gavin Newsom is taking the piss out of Trump something savage. It's about time somebody did. He is posting tweets in all caps with exclamation marks, references to "your favourite governor" and "Thank you for your attention to this matter." There are also AI images. One with prominent Trump supporters: Kid Rock, former FOX host Tucker Carlson, and the late Hulk Hogan. Another shows an image of Newsom with bulging muscles and veins holding a US flag. Trump supporters are getting upset. Democrats are calling them snowflakes.

FOX hosts are complaining. They say Newsom is a governor and he shouldn't be doing silly stuff like this, he should be governing. Funny though, the other guy that does this stuff has an even more important job but that doesn't bother them. Their hypocrisy is on full display.

[sugilite]

Woah Pritch, take it easy on the self declared war hero :rolleyes:

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[pritch]

This is like Putin giving Trump the message.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-expects-clarity-soon-on-security-guarantees-from-us-and-other-allies/ar-AA1KVyYn

[sugilite]

This is like Putin giving Trump the message.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-expects-clarity-soon-on-security-guarantees-from-us-and-other-allies/ar-AA1KVyYn

Yep, Putin is pissing on trumps back and calling it golden rain. In other words exactly what trump is doing to his maga base.

In other news, pack your shit and go bitch :laugh:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/21/new-jersey-alina-habba-trump-administration

[pritch]

And now for something completely different... (With apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus.)


https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1981132136019158

[Pursang]

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Also a case of Mobster: "Nice looking company you have there Mr Tan....Be a shame if something were to happen to it!"

Any bets on Who's Next?

[Laava]

Another blatant dictatorial act.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360800898/pentagon-fires-intelligence-agency-chief-after-iran-attack-assessment

[sugilite]

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[pritch]

Trump makes history - again. There are probably good reasons why no other president did this in the previous 111 years.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/25/business/trump-fire-fed-governor

[F5 Dave]

Some mean people might say he's a dumb cunt who is trying to run the country using his considerable experience on The Apprentice.
Others rock quietly in the corner wondering how they let this happen.

Still others think that this is an episode of reality TV.

[husaberg]

Some mean people might say he's a dumb cunt who is trying to run the country using his considerable experience on The Apprentice.
Others rock quietly in the corner wondering how they let this happen.

Still others think that this is an episode of reality TV.

i found a small typo


Some mean people might say he's a dumb cunt who is trying to ruin the country using his considerable experience on The Apprentice.

[pritch]

Trump is fed up. If other countries dare tax US tech companies Trump will retaliate by taxing - Americans. More of his 3D chess? Where D stands for dementia.

[Laava]

Trump is fed up. If other countries dare tax US tech companies Trump will retaliate by taxing - Americans. More of his 3D chess? Where D stands for dementia.
Gay…………………

[Pursang]

https://wallpapers.com/images/hd/eric-cartman-respect-my-authoritah-7popmcg2gpoab1f6.jpg

[Pursang]

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[pritch]

The stable genius in the White House has ordered the border wall to be painted black. This so that the sun will make it too hot to touch. No news yet on the measures to deter climbing at night.

[pritch]

This would do the orange man's head in.

[husaberg]

The stable genius in the White House has ordered the border wall to be painted black. This so that the sun will make it too hot to touch. No news yet on the measures to deter climbing at night.

very interesting, he claimed earlier it was easier to climb Mount Everest than to climb his wall
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-says-mount-everest-a-lot-easier-to-climb-than-border-wall-1442220611820

[Pursang]

https://youtube.com/shorts/TjR1RhJKG9w?si=4HKzVgO3P6rySePJ

[pritch]

A federal appeals court has ruled that Trump's tariffs are illegal and invalid - but we knew that. The ruling doesn't immediately change anything the case will just move on up to the next appeal.

[husaberg]

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[pete376403]

Mattis should go into politics - could appeal to both democrats and reasonable republicans ie anyone who hates trump

[pritch]

Twitter is abuzz. Trump has not been seen in public since Tuesday US time? Speculation is rife but it would be premature to get excited about that big beautiful obituary.

[husaberg]

The reapers failed again
https://www.thedailybeast.com/resizer/v2/VXPG6CB355HDVONYTCYC3QIYTY.jpg?smart=true&auth=cb65b369d722803f8019d7fcbbd6498389c9e21a4034b ccf724da09e0093d4b5&width=1600&height=900


President Donald Trump has shown signs of life after going missing for four days as evidence mounts of his declining health.

As the president’s swollen cankles, bruising on his hands, problems walking straight, and mental gaffes fuel speculation about his mortality, Trump went four days without a public appearance this week.Trump has been seen with heavy concealer on both hands in the previous month, adding to the concern generated by his swollen cankles—which are likely a result of the circulation disorder he was diagnosed with in July.

[Laava]

All that shit Coke he drinks is taking it's toll probably. That and karma

[pete376403]

Social media buzzing about trumps non appearance, lots of hopeful posts. If he does show up, like this maybe? Weekend at Donnies

[husaberg]

Long-term Adderall use can cause circulation problems by constricting blood vessels, leading to increased blood pressure, a faster heart rate, and reduced blood flow to extremities like fingers and toes...

Long-term Adderall use can be a contributing factor to the onset or worsening of Raynaud's phenomenon, a condition causing poor blood circulation in the fingers and toes. Adderall's mechanism involves catecholamine release and reuptake inhibition, which can lead to vasoconstriction. ......

[Pursang]

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[sugilite]

Awwwww, trumpy, did the cool kids not invite you to their party?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360811080/china-will-show-its-weaponry-tightly-controlled-military-parade

[Laava]

It hasn't occurred to him that it might not be about him.

[husaberg]

Awwwww, trumpy, did the cool kids not invite you to their party?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360811080/china-will-show-its-weaponry-tightly-controlled-military-parade

i know he's part German but do you thinks trumps aware that the russians started out on the Germans side in ww2?

[pritch]

It's going to take a long time to wade through the Trump news today. There's the Epstein survivors going public, bad economic indicators, more suspected fraud, and his health.

Suddenly the Epstein thing is a Democrat hoax. Apparently it has slipped what's left of his mind that it was him who stirred it up.

[pritch]

Trump has naval units off South America. One such just blew up an outboard powered skiff with eleven people on board off the coast of Venezuela. Trump claims the boat was operated by narco terrorist drug runners. Whether that's true or not, blowing up boats in international waters over 1000 miles from the US is illegal. There don't seem to be many laws that Trump considers important. Immigration laws excepted - except where they apply to someone close to him.

[pritch]

10 characters

[pritch]

Y'all will recall that the stable genius said his tariffs would bring manufacturing back to the US. He has now given the world a glimpse of what might happen if a company did decide to build a factory in the US. An ICE raid, hundreds arrested.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xe5d6103o

[pritch]

Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, if he was any further in the closet he'd be in Narnia, now says Trump was an FBI informant. This in an attempt to explain why Trump and Epstein spent so much time together. This conspiracy theory is QAnon in origin. I didn't have QAnon theories becoming official on my batshit bingo card.

[Laava]

Trump is not smart enough for that. He can't shut his fucken mouth at the best of times

[pete376403]

Stolen from FB

[Laava]

Was he transitioning?

[husaberg]

Stolen from FB

he was a long cool woman in a dress....
https://images.teepublic.com/derived/production/designs/71563520_0/1737698196/i_p:c_000000,s_630,q_90.jpg

[pete376403]

Was he transitioning?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mike-johnson-ridiculed-claiming-trump-004042943.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABimrkorRrVWh1TVdaJzxZqdQVQw 38ZDGz3VCO4kDieHclPyXEY9d3O-5OaYP9onTIa19gJMOIPC77IpfC1FlLNgo-z2K4EZmGAnJ1a8jLn8M08ps39LSS-H36eVEwlJOkKZkCqpSZgdd4waEE-NbrRfyAVKyYNU6YWtnB4MRz8C

[pritch]

A missing detail? Trump's attendance at the US Open tennis is receiving coverage from a number of angles. The official request for any crowd disapproval to be censored, his request that the final be delayed half an hour, or that the US Attorney General was a member of his party which constitutes a major conflict of interest.

One thing I didn't see until now is that he and his party attended as guests of Rolex. That's the Rolex that is currently very concerned about the effect that the 40% tariff Trump imposed on imports from Switzerland will have on sales. It'll be interesting to see if their "generosity" has the desired effect.

[Pursang]

https://time.com/redesign/_next/image/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.time.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2025%2F09%2FTrump-Epstein-letter-split.jpg%3Fquality%3D85%26w%3D1800&w=1920&q=75

[Laava]

Donald Bush

[nerrrd]

He definitely drew that, and he’s definitely f*cking Satan.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Satan-and-Donald-Trump-On-South-Park.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1

[sugilite]

Right wing activist Charlie Kirk has just been assinated at a university in Utah. After a doge guy got car jacked in Washington DC, trump sent in troops. With Utah being a deep red state, trump has gone above and beyond by invoking republicans most powerful weapon at their disposal against gun violence - trump has 'sent in' thoughts and prayers. Awesome.

[TheDemonLord]

Which side are the Fascists?

The side that have an open mic and welcome people share their differing views?
Or the side that shoot people for doing so?

One step closer to the point when peaceful men are roused to war - and the consequences will be terrible. For everyone.

[F5 Dave]

People with a Mic rarely want to share it with others especially if thier ideas differ.

Assassination is a complete breakdown of democracy but that genie is out of the bottle.

Guns don't kill people. Bullets do.

Slight (old joke) twist on a dumb argument. But hear me out.

What if the politicians grew some balls and made it real hard to buy bullets? Yes people stockpile and smuggling continues and 3D printing metal with home made powder etc

But in 20 years you may reduce this crime by say 1/2.
Have to start sometime.
In an ideal world. Not America obviously.

[neels]

Which side are the Fascists?

The side that have an open mic and welcome people share their differing views?
Or the side that shoot people for doing so?

It's something of a stretch to ascribe political ideology. Sometimes people are sufficiently negatively impacted or frightened by the philosophies espoused by such activists to the point they are inspired to take direct action, and literally shoot the messenger, from across the political spectrum.



Guns don't kill people. Bullets do.

What if the politicians grew some balls and made it real hard to buy bullets?
It sounds like in this case it only took a couple, clearly a better shot than the would-be Trump assassin. Restricting ammunition supply probably wouldn't have helped in this situation, but could be useful in reducing casualties in the hundreds of other mass shootings every hear.

[TheDemonLord]

It's something of a stretch to ascribe political ideology.

Put the left/right dichotomy aside for a moment.

I am not making claims as to the specific political beliefs of the shooter.

I am pointing out that the side that loudly claims persecution, is also the side committing acts of terrorism.

Think what you may about Charlie Kirk, I disagreed with him on issues such as Abortion and Religion - his schtick was inviting people from the other side to ask him questions in a live setting.

I've seen lots of glorification of his Death today. Lots of cheering. Lots of justification as to why it's okay to woop for joy at a Murder.

I've also seen lots of moderate democrats who otherwise disliked Charlie Kirk been utterly dismayed by the joyous reaction by the fringe left.



Sometimes people are sufficiently negatively impacted or frightened by the philosophies espoused by such activists to the point they are inspired to take direct action, and literally shoot the messenger, from across the political spectrum.


So, if we are sufficiently scared of the Jews, it's okay to take direct action.

Feel free to replace Jew with any group of your choosing.

I do not want Political Violence, because there is almost never a revolution without extreme loss of life and horrors.

[neels]

So, if we are sufficiently scared of the Jews, it's okay to take direct action.

Feel free to replace Jew with any group of your choosing.

I do not want Political Violence, because there is almost never a revolution without extreme loss of life and horrors.
Not saying it's okay, just noting that there is cause and effect in the situation, putting your self in public promoting extremist policies might provoke an extreme reaction from someone affected by those policies.

But you are correct that starting a war is a very costly route to achieving peace.

[TheDemonLord]

Not saying it's okay, just noting that there is cause and effect in the situation, putting your self in public promoting extremist policies might provoke an extreme reaction from someone affected by those policies.

But you are correct that starting a war is a very costly route to achieving peace.

If the response to an idea is a Bullet, it's never the person speaking who is an extremist.

[pritch]

Which side are the Fascists?

The side that have an open mic and welcome people share their differing views?
Or the side that shoot people for doing so?

One step closer to the point when peaceful men are roused to war - and the consequences will be terrible. For everyone.





Some baseless assumptions there. We have no idea who or what the shooter was. I seem to recall the attempt on Trump was by a MAGA member of a Republican family?



The FBI Director announced that they had the shooter in custody. Wrong. The police have since arrested another suspect, at least this one had a rifle, but it was only a break barrel air rifle. He too has been released.

It must be close to ten years since I blocked Kirk and Posobiec on Twitter. The first people who pissed me off to that extent. I was no admirer of Kirk but I don't agree with his asassination either.

Kirk is quoted as saying words to the effect that some gun deaths are worth it to save the Second Amendment. That's all sorts of stupid and I guess it never crossed his mind that one of the deaths might be his own.

"Thoughts and prayers."




Of course this came to light although the actual year was 2023: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Bn7JnERNAaA

[TheDemonLord]

Some baseless assumptions there. We have no idea who or what the shooter was.

"I am not making claims as to the specific political beliefs of the shooter.

I am pointing out that the side that loudly claims persecution, is also the side committing acts of terrorism."

[pritch]

"I am not making claims as to the specific political beliefs of the shooter.

I am pointing out that the side that loudly claims persecution, is also the side committing acts of terrorism."

And I'm pointing out that's baseless because last time I looked we don't know who committed this act of terrorism.

[neels]

Presumably the shooter couldn't hear what was being said, and it's purely coincidence that he was shot while discussing mass shootings by transgender people.

It has also been reported that the Trump administration are trying to remove the rights of transgender people to own guns, effectively by classifying them as mentally ill, presumably if they could get that classification to stick it could then also be used for other purposes.

The NRA has responded against such proposals citing 2nd amendment rights, they probably see it as the thin end of the wedge, and wouldn't want anyone reduction to the firearm purchasing population which once the precedent has been set could be expanded by future administrations to other groups.

Interesting to see if it affects the NRA support of the republican party.

[Kickaha]

"I am not making claims as to the specific political beliefs of the shooter.

I am pointing out that the side that loudly claims persecution, is also the side committing acts of terrorism."

Given that the majority of extremist related shooters are right leaning you must be saying is it the Republican party committing acts of terrorism and claiming persecution



"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Charlie Kirk

[TheDemonLord]

And I'm pointing out that's baseless because last time I looked we don't know who committed this act of terrorism.

I am not saying who either, I'm talking about the people leaping with joy at his murder.

[Pursang]

"I am not making claims as to the specific political beliefs of the shooter.

I am pointing out that the side that loudly claims persecution, is also the side committing acts of terrorism."

I agree.
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[pritch]

I am not saying who either, I'm talking about the people leaping with joy at his murder.

There is reportedly lots of comment on X about the glee being expressed on Blue Sky. Two problems: I haven't looked at X in a long time so can't confirm anything about comments on X, I can confirm there is a lack of glee in the Blue Sky comments I've seen .

The only people talking violence are the right. And that's not only in US media, it's true on KB too.

[TheDemonLord]

There is reportedly lots of comment on X about the glee being expressed on Blue Sky. Two problems: I haven't looked at X in a long time so can't confirm anything about comments on X, I can confirm there is a lack of glee in the Blue Sky comments I've seen .

The only people taking violence are the right. And that's not only in US media, it's true on KB too.

Some Snippets that I have seen:

"Good Morning everyone, especially the person that shot Charlie Kirk"

"We don't mourn Fascists in this house"

"I'm gonna celebrate his Death"

"Charlie Kirk was shot dead in the street like the dog he is"

There are more odious and hate filled ones that I saw - but they have seen been moderated/deleted on various platforms.

There are already compilation clips of people shrieking with Joy on Tik Tok/YouTube.

What I did notice, which was interesting, was the difference in attitude between the old-school left and the current left. I did see many sentiments of:

"I did not like the man, or any of his ideas - but Political violence is never the solution" - followed by a gaggle of radicals screeching about how killing Nazis is always justified, lick the boot some more, he had no empathy so I have none etc.

It would be ironic, if Charlie Kirk's death was what radicalized the moderate left to shift right-wards.

[pritch]

Some Snippets that I have seen:

"Good Morning everyone, especially the person that shot Charlie Kirk"

"We don't mourn Fascists in this house"

"I'm gonna celebrate his Death"

"Charlie Kirk was shot dead in the street like the dog he is"

There are more odious and hate filled ones that I saw - but they have seen been moderated/deleted on various platforms.

There are already compilation clips of people shrieking with Joy on Tik Tok/YouTube.

What I did notice, which was interesting, was the difference in attitude between the old-school left and the current left. I did see many sentiments of:

"I did not like the man, or any of his ideas - but Political violence is never the solution" - followed by a gaggle of radicals screeching about how killing Nazis is always justified, lick the boot some more, he had no empathy so I have none etc.

It would be ironic, if Charlie Kirk's death was what radicalized the moderate left to shift right-wards.

I have long suspected your reading material tended weird.

A Democrat politician, her husband, and their dog were murdered in June. A state senator and his wife were also shot multiple times but survived. There was a school shooting the same day that Kirk was shot. Kirks death was just another day in the USA.

The Director of the FBI is making the most of his opportunities to show what an amateur he is. Meanwhile some minimal information is becoming available. The shooter was on the roof of a parking building with another big open car park right behind him. If he had a car handy there is an airport a few minutes down the road immediately adjacent to the university.

The photograph released by police as a person of interest shows him wearing a "disabled veteran's" T shirt. Which may or may not mean something.




Update: The shooter dropped from the roof which seems a relatively high risk strategy. He then passed up on all the vehicles and left on foot. As per the clip released by the FBI.

[Katman]

Cry, 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.

[TheDemonLord]

I have long suspected your reading material tended weird.

Yes, I agree - as I actually read what the Rabid and Radical left says, and you are right - they *are* weird.

The point is, however, that there is a lot of happiness from one particular element of the Political spectrum at a political assassination.

That you say 'Well, I didn't see it on X or Blue Sky' - I can only summize that you haven't found the activist section.

I would, however, like to note that I saw a video from Cenk Uygur - who normally I significantly disagree with on just about every topic - that was sincere in it's condemnation of the assassination. So credit where credit is due.

On a continuation from what I last wrote - I have observed a growing sense of 'Oh God, these people are awful' coming from Moderate Democrats on seeing the reaction of the activist wing. Seeing the Moderate Democrats pause and go 'No, killing someone for speech is a step too far' is good. Maybe this might be something unify people again.

[F5 Dave]

Jesus fuking krist.

Stop making this all a left vs right political party. Strawman strawman let's all set him on fire.

And just to remind everyone. We
Do
not
Live in
America.





Thankfully.

Because they
Are

Useless

Cunts.

[TheDemonLord]

Stop making this all a left vs right political party.

Would it surprise you thaf half of the examples I posted were from people in NZ? Green and TPM Voters?

Whilst I'd love to not make it Right vs Left, that would be dishonest.

There is a cohort of radicals in the left that believe words are violence, that *genuinely* want a revolution and believe that Charlie was a Nazi/Fascist and therefore killing him was not merely justified - but a moral virtuous act that is to be celebrated.

Now, sure - there are Radicals on the Right... the difference though is that they arent in the TMZ news room, they aren't professors at a University, they aren't anchors on LBC or MSNBC, they aren't protesting in the streets with foreign flags, chanting terrorist slogans.

[nerrrd]

Maybe we could use the numbers who vote Green and TPM (or ACT and NZ first) as an indication that the radicals are by far in the minority, I'd venture that many of the voters among those are more concerned about single issues than said radical political ideology.

I'd never heard of Charlie Kirk before this happened.

[Kickaha]

22 year old, white straight male from a conservative family arrested for the shooting of Charlie Kirk, I wonder how the right will spin this

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/09/12/who-is-tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooter-22-was-turned-in-by-father-after-he-confessed-the-murder.html

[Pursang]

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US CIVIL WAR POSTPONED

Kirk killer 'demographically inconvenient'.

[pritch]

22 year old, white straight male from a conservative family arrested for the shooting of Charlie Kirk, I wonder how the right will spin this


Does that mean all the crap about the nasty left, including what was written here, was bullshit? Yes, I'm afraid it does.

The shooter seems a bit loose mentally as he told his dad what he'd done. Dad consulted his religious leaders and then followed their advice and dobbed the young feller in.

The shooter is fom a Republican family. He does seem to have spent too much time online, the words inscribed on his ammunition are thought to reference the Helldivers game.

'Ka$h' Patel is claiming credit for the FBI and for himself which is a bit odd since they had no role in solving the crime.

And since they can't blame the left it seems the right have largely reverted to their customary "thoughts and prayers."

[Katman]

I wonder how the right will spin this

The pro-transgender and anti-fascist engraving on the ammunition might be a clue.

[pete376403]

Would it surprise you thaf half of the examples I posted were from people in NZ? Green and TPM Voters?

Whilst I'd love to not make it Right vs Left, that would be dishonest.

There is a cohort of radicals in the left that believe words are violence, that *genuinely* want a revolution and believe that Charlie was a Nazi/Fascist and therefore killing him was not merely justified - but a moral virtuous act that is to be celebrated.

Now, sure - there are Radicals on the Right... the difference though is that they arent in the TMZ news room, they aren't professors at a University, they aren't anchors on LBC or MSNBC, they aren't protesting in the streets with foreign flags, chanting terrorist slogans.
Are you going to get equally upset about the assassination of the Minnesota Democratic state rep Melissa Hortman and her husband? Because Trump certainly didnt.

[Kickaha]

The pro-transgender and anti-fascist engraving on the ammunition might be a clue.

Or it could just be to deflect suspicion

[pritch]

The engraved Helldivers quotes on his ammunition have led to him being described as an edgelord. I had to look that up.
One other titbit: he donated to Trump's election campaign. That should kill off any remaining doubt about his political leanings.

[pritch]

The pro-transgender and anti-fascist engraving on the ammunition might be a clue.

It may have been a clue if it existed but it didn't. The Wall Street Journal printed an item reporting trans and fascist engravings but the comments have since been retracted. Unsurprisingly not every journalist knows every Internet meme.

[TheDemonLord]

22 year old, white straight male from a conservative family arrested for the shooting of Charlie Kirk, I wonder how the right will spin this

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/09/12/who-is-tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooter-22-was-turned-in-by-father-after-he-confessed-the-murder.html

Every Left-Leaning outlet I have seen as said he is from a Conservative Family, which is interesting - because I am from a religious family, yet I am not religious.

I have seen some sources proporting to show a picture of him wearing a Pride and Transgender patch.

However, there is too much dust in the air at the moment for his specific motivations.

The outpouring of Glee from the Radical left jumping for joy on this, however - that is not up for debate.

[TheDemonLord]

Are you going to get equally upset about the assassination of the Minnesota Democratic state rep Melissa Hortman and her husband? Because Trump certainly didnt.

I'm going to answer this separately - because I feel it is interesting.

Someone talked about why this is different vs other Political assassinations - and I am going to paraphrase it. I don't agree with all of it, but I feel it is an interesting point:

In the US context - Public Officials have had a long history of being targets for political violence - there have been a number of Presidents assassinated, as well as numerous failed attempts (some more high profile than others) - the point being that public officials, who have law making powers have been (as ghoulish as this sounds) 'legitimate targets' in the US context.

However, Charlie was not a politician, he did not have any real policy making power - he went to places and offered an open mic for debate - disagreeing with people.

In the US Context - killing a political figure who has the power of the state behind them to enact and enforce laws detrimental to you, whilst considered extreme, has a long precedent of it occuring.

Shooting people for talking - much less so.

To be clear - I don't agree with this line of reasoning, but I find it interesting nonetheless.

Getting back to Melissa Hortman - it appears the primary motivation was Abortion rights - from the killers perspective, if you sincerely believe Abortion to be Murder, then there is an internally consistent thread of logic that would justify force to stop it.

For the sake of clarity, her Muder was absolutely abhorrent and should not have happened either.

[neels]

In the US Context - killing a political figure who has the power of the state behind them to enact and enforce laws detrimental to you, whilst considered extreme, has a long precedent of it occurring.

Shooting people for talking - much less so.
Martin Luther King?

I think there's a precedent there.

[Kickaha]

I have seen some sources proporting to show a picture of him wearing a Pride and Transgender patch.



Yeah fucking sure he was, no doubt about the pics of him of him wearing a Trump Halloween costume though





Getting back to Melissa Hortman - it appears the primary motivation was Abortion rights - from the killers perspective, if you sincerely believe Abortion to be Murder, then there is an internally consistent thread of logic that would justify force to stop it.

She was one of four people shot by the same person, just another right wing shooting as so many are

[pritch]

Every Left-Leaning outlet I have seen as said he is from a Conservative Family, which is interesting - because I am from a religious family, yet I am not religious.

I have seen some sources proporting to show a picture of him wearing a Pride and Transgender patch.

However, there is too much dust in the air at the moment for his specific motivations.

The outpouring of Glee from the Radical left jumping for joy on this, however - that is not up for debate.


As you say we have to await his actual motivation. Most likely explantion I've seen is that he's a groyper - there is a pattern. Nick Fuentes and Kirk were having a public spat. As a groyper the shooter was with Team Fuentes.

I've still seen zero evidence of an outpouring of glee. and no, I've not been searching weird corners of the Internet. TPM? WTF? I have noticed the sudden switch from blaming trannies to thoughts and prayers though. Pathetic.

A particular oddity was Patel, brought up Hindu, saying that he would meet up with Kirk, Christian?, in Valhalla, pagan. Neither seems remotely qualified to enter Valhalla.

[pritch]

So I have just seen my very first gleeful response to Kirk's death. The bad taste comments were made by the Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society no less. The gleeful comments were in a clip posted by another Oxford member who wants the chair elect removed from the position because of the comments. There is actually another clip of this twat "debating" Kirk at Oxford dressed in slippers,sweat pants and T with dreads. How he got elected is a mystery. DEI?

[husaberg]

So I have just seen my very first gleeful response to Kirk's death. The bad taste comments were made by the Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society no less. The gleeful comments were in a clip posted by another Oxford member who wants the chair elect removed from the position because of the comments. There is actually another clip of this twat "debating" Kirk at Oxford dressed in slippers,sweat pants and T with dreads. How he got elected is a mystery. DEI?

Does anyone remember what trump said after the hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband that left him with a fractured skull....

[jellywrestler]

Martin Luther King?

I think there's a precedent there.

one swallow doesn't make a summer

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah fucking sure he was, no doubt about the pics of him of him wearing a Trump Halloween costume though

Ah yes, because Halloween costumes clearly denote someone's political allegiance...

[TheDemonLord]

So I have just seen my very first gleeful response to Kirk's death. The bad taste comments were made by the Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society no less. The gleeful comments were in a clip posted by another Oxford member who wants the chair elect removed from the position because of the comments. There is actually another clip of this twat "debating" Kirk at Oxford dressed in slippers,sweat pants and T with dreads. How he got elected is a mystery. DEI?

Okay Pritch - Humour me for a second.

I've said that I've seen many instances of joy and glee at this assassination - you say you haven't seen it.

Consider this: The position of Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society is one that has a certain degree of preeminence. It's not some 14 year old in their basement on 4Chan.

It is a position that I believe could reasonably be inferred to have some degree of weight to it and be representative of at least a substantial viewpoint, Yes?

In which case - if someone in that position is openly celebrating, do you not believe it is reasonable that people in less public positions are also equally celebrating?

Here is another clip - TMZ Staff, on their Livestream - the time stamp is 4 hours, 17 minutes and 10 seconds. You can tell the moment that Trump confirmed Charlie was dead by the cheers, applause and very audible 'WOOHOO'! by the background staff

Again - not some internet troll in their basement, 'Professional Journalists'.


https://youtu.be/CC1FZ378XfU?t=15412

Another quote I saw today "All Fascists should see the inside of a body bag".

[TheDemonLord]

I'm going to end on another quote I saw on this - which I think sums up the current situation nicely:

"Some of you are so busy being Left or Right that you failed to see you stopped being a decent human being years ago"

[sugilite]

22 year old, white straight male from a conservative family arrested for the shooting of Charlie Kirk, I wonder how the right will spin this

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/09/12/who-is-tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooter-22-was-turned-in-by-father-after-he-confessed-the-murder.html
Trump stopped wanting to talk about Charlie after that, I had the distinct impression trump was jealous of the lime light Kirk was hogging - I wish I was joking on that last point, but I'm not.


Which side are the Fascists?

The side that have an open mic and welcome people share their differing views?
Or the side that shoot people for doing so?

If the right side where all exactly like Charlie Kirk, you would have a point - but they are not. The right are every bit as bad as the left with the old "Free speech for me but not for thee".


"I am not making claims as to the specific political beliefs of the shooter.

I am pointing out that the side that loudly claims persecution, is also the side committing acts of terrorism."
Ahh, I can only guess the terrorist group you are referring is the lawless trump maga mob murdering a boat load of Venezuela fishermen last week - hint - drug boats don't need 11 people on board, they like to keep under the radar.


Some Snippets that I have seen:

"Good Morning everyone, especially the person that shot Charlie Kirk"

"We don't mourn Fascists in this house"

"I'm gonna celebrate his Death"

"Charlie Kirk was shot dead in the street like the dog he is etc etc

Clearly you do not do the same amount of analysis on your own side. When Pelosis husband got done over the head with a hammer, even magas in the house and senate were uttering shit like you posted above, yet alone the people commenting on news site comment sections and such. When Biden announced his cancer, you should of seen what they were saying about that.
This type of sentiment has become a lot more prevalent since trump came along. There is a heck of a lot of this kind of talk from trump himself that you choose to casually write off as "trump is just being bombastic".


What I did notice, which was interesting, was the difference in attitude between the old-school left and the current left. I did see many sentiments of:

"I did not like the man, or any of his ideas - but Political violence is never the solution"


There used to be Republicans in government that also had the attitude you mention above - do you know what happened top them? Your orange guy labelled them RINOS and ran them out of town leading to the low rent right wing mob we see today.




Seeing the Moderate Democrats pause and go 'No, killing someone for speech is a step too far' is good. Maybe this might be something unify people again.
trump has no interest in ever letting the energy of unification take hold. If only you could see that. He is the great divider - it is literally his brand. Don't believe me, a quote from trump himself the other day "Donald Trump has declined to call for the US to come together as a way of fixing the country’s divisions in the wake of the assassination of his close associate, the rightwing activist Charlie Kirk, preferring to cast “vicious and horrible” radicals on the left of US politics as the sole problem."


Would it surprise you thaf half of the examples I posted were from people in NZ? Green and TPM Voters?
If you want to see right wing nzers doing that kind of shit, just look at the liokes of tim from whangarei youtube comment section.


Now, sure - there are Radicals on the Right... the difference though is that they arent in the TMZ news room, they aren't professors at a University, they aren't anchors on LBC or MSNBC, they aren't protesting in the streets with foreign flags, chanting terrorist slogans.
My god, get your head out your tribes arse, wipe the shit out your eyes and look around. The radicals on the right are in the fox, newsmax and other right wing media, they are billionaires, and some are even supreme court justices.





The outpouring of Glee from the Radical left jumping for joy on this, however - that is not up for debate.
This jogged my memory when you came in the trump thread and were lamenting that you felt trumps assassination attempt did not get enough news space. Take of your right eye patch and watch these two shorts below - see if you can pick up on why trump did not get the sympathy press you thought he deserved, even from the right wing news agencies. Hint, it is because he is a callous uncaring cunt.


<iframe width="528" height="938" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6oWkU1DxP4w" title="Trump brags about White House ballroom when asked about Charlie Kirk’s assassination." frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="528" height="938" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yLv66DnMoQA" title="Trump’s Cold Take on Charlie Kirk" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>



I'm going to end on another quote I saw on this - which I think sums up the current situation nicely:

"Some of you are so busy being Left or Right that you failed to see you stopped being a decent human being years ago"

Here is a quote from a youtube commenter with a reference to Kirks 2nd amendment comments - indeed you have shared similar sentiments right here in this forum - Kirks quote "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

The youtubers quote "I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but Charlie Kirk supported what happened to him."

[sugilite]

This "respectful" upstanding right wing commentator has a solution for those pesky mentally ill homeless people. Kill them by lethal injection. What a guy.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360823112/american-political-commentator-advocates-killing-homeless-people-lethal-injection

[TheDemonLord]

If the right side where all exactly like Charlie Kirk, you would have a point - but they are not. The right are every bit as bad as the left with the old "Free speech for me but not for thee".

I am not sure I agree. Perhaps the most famous example was Joe Rogan, he got Trump on, he invited Kamala on. Kamala did not want to come on. Time and time again I see from various sources that I read/watch/listen to - that the Right wants to get the Left to come on and debate and wants to talk through issues.

Sure, some of them might have ulteriour motives of 'Owning the Libs' - but I don't see the same hesitation happening in the inverse.


Clearly you do not do the same amount of analysis on your own side. When Pelosis husband got done over the head with a hammer, even magas in the house and senate were uttering shit like you posted above, yet alone the people commenting on news site comment sections and such. When Biden announced his cancer, you should of seen what they were saying about that.
This type of sentiment has become a lot more prevalent since trump came along. There is a heck of a lot of this kind of talk from trump himself that you choose to casually write off as "trump is just being bombastic".

Okay - can you post a clip of say Fox News or similar cheering and going 'Woohoo!' at any of the events you mentioned, in the same way that TMZ did?

How about the equivalent of the Oxford Debate Society chair?


trump has no interest in ever letting the energy of unification take hold. If only you could see that. He is the great divider - it is literally his brand. Don't believe me, a quote from trump himself the other day "Donald Trump has declined to call for the US to come together as a way of fixing the country’s divisions in the wake of the assassination of his close associate, the rightwing activist Charlie Kirk, preferring to cast “vicious and horrible” radicals on the left of US politics as the sole problem."

Yes, it appears a bridge has been crossed. One side has continually called the other Nazi and Fascist etc. and has manufactured a moral justification for assassination.

Would you negotiate with a group that believed you to be an existential threat to them and who wanted you dead?


If you want to see right wing nzers doing that kind of shit, just look at the liokes of tim from whangarei youtube comment section.

And how many of those, are doing so from a Newsroom? or from a Debate Chair? Or from the Teachers Desk? or Lecturers lecturn?

That's the difference.


My god, get your head out your tribes arse, wipe the shit out your eyes and look around. The radicals on the right are in the fox, newsmax and other right wing media, they are billionaires, and some are even supreme court justices.

Are they Radicals? Are they advocating tearing down all of western society?

I'll be charitable for a moment - some of the more 'Spicy' Right wing sources that I keep tabs on, I see opinions on:

- Israel, Jews and their influence on American Politics (in much the same vein as OldRider used to post)
- Pointing to per-capita Demographic stats on things like Crime, Fatherlessness etc.
- Anti-Assimilation rhetorhic (aka 'Send them back home' - and not referring to illegal migrants)
- Anti-Abortion stances (This is more specifically from the Christian leaning sources)
- All Alphabet people are mentally ill and should be in Asylums

These views are what I would consider on the radical side. If you take the worst of them (the one about Asylums) - that is not advocating Death.

The people who hold them are not working in TMZ or being invited onto MSNBC or holding positions in Oxford.


Here is a quote from a youtube commenter with a reference to Kirks 2nd amendment comments - indeed you have shared similar sentiments right here in this forum - Kirks quote "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

The youtubers quote "I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but Charlie Kirk supported what happened to him."

I've seen that quote a number of times, often with wild expressions of happiness.

No doubt the next quote will be from Charlie about Empathy.

[pete376403]

More Charlie quotes, from these we can obviously see a reasonable and fair commentator who sees both sides:

[Kickaha]

Here is a quote from a youtube commenter with a reference to Kirks 2nd amendment comments - indeed you have shared similar sentiments right here in this forum - Kirks quote "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

The youtubers quote "I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but Charlie Kirk supported what happened to him."

As much as I think Charlie was a prize cunt the full discussion around that quote provides a lot better context

[TheDemonLord]

More Charlie quotes, from these we can obviously see a reasonable and fair commentator who sees both sides:

Yes, if we strip out all Context...

So, some examples:

MLK not being a good person - I believe there is an FBI recording of him having relations with a women where consent is dubious - and the guy was a known womanizer.

On Black Pilots - he's saying if the standard of competence is lowered under the guise of DEI, then people would be scared of an underqualified pilot.

On Gays being stoned to death - if you look at the full clip, he is responding to a Gay Youtuber, Rachel - who quotes Scripture as a justification. His reply is essentially "If you cite the Bible as an authority, then you also have to contend with the chapter before that says to stone Gay people to death"

British Colonialism outlawed the practice of Slavery, Head Hunting, Cannibalism and various other practices that everyone would agree are barbaric.

I could fact check all of them - but when even Kickaha admits:

"As much as I think Charlie was a prize cunt the full discussion around that quote provides a lot better context"

I trust that proves that the lists like that are half-truths abstracted from a larger discussion.

[pritch]

Yes, it appears a bridge has been crossed. One side has continually called the other Nazi and Fascist etc. and has manufactured a moral justification for assassination.



Using the normal metrics one side is fascist. Godwin suspended his law during Trump 45 because there were fascists in the White House.
Executing the homeless? Is that not extreme enough for you?

[TheDemonLord]

Using the normal metrics one side is fascist.

This, Right here, is the problem.

Not even close. Not philosophically, not legally, not theoretically.

Continuing to say this is continuing one step closer to a civil war.

And I do not think it will be contained just within the US.


Executing the homeless? Is that not extreme enough for you?

What was the context of that comment? Was it all Homeless people? Or was it the mentally ill ones that commit violent crimes, with multiple convictions and yet are released by judges?

Was the comment in bad taste and too far? Sure. But it was not Fascist.

[pritch]

We had flags at half mast for Kirk which was highly unusual but it just gets weirder. Kirk's body has been carried to where he is presumably to be Interred on Air Force 2 the Vice President's aircraft. He is being given full military honours despite never having served in the military.

The town drunk and Secretary of Defence has asked the Pentagon to take action against service members who posted critical comments about Kirk. This is considered irregular as Kirk has no military connection. It would be different of he was in the chain of command but he is not and never was.

Kirk is being made more important in death than he ever was in life - and it's not that he was unimportant alive.

[pritch]

This, Right here, is the problem.

Not even close. Not philosophically, not legally, not theoretically.

Continuing to say this is continuing one step closer to a civil war.

And I do not think it will be contained just within the US.



What was the context of that comment? Was it all Homeless people? Or was it the mentally ill ones that commit violent crimes, with multiple convictions and yet are released by judges?

Was the comment in bad taste and too far? Sure. But it was not Fascist.

The comment was specific homeless people should be given involuntary fatal injections. "Just kill them." Not much room to move there.

According to your logic there is no such thing as fascism. There is and it is alive and well in the White House. There are clear indicators, well, clear for everybody else if not for you.
The indicators are listed here and almost all are happening right now.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

[TheDemonLord]

The comment was specific homelsss people should be given involuntary fatal injections. "Just kill them." Not much room to move there.

Which Specific ones? The ones that commit violent crimes...


According to your logic there is no such thing as fascism. There is and it is alive and well in the White House. There are clear indicators, well, clear for everybody else if not for you.
The indicators are listed here and almost all are happening right now.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Someone wrote things down! It must be true!

I had a look to see what the credentials of Lawrence Britt were - curiously enough, I couldn't find them...

It's not that there is no such thing as Fascism, it's the redefinition of everything that is not psuedo-communist progressivism as 'Fascism' is not only wrong intellectual - but as recent events have shown, it is dangerous.

The clear indicators for me are:

"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing agaisnt the state"

Tell me, how does inviting the opposition to come and speak and share their ideas align with 'Nothing against the state'? That was Charlie's entire thing. That is not something a Fascist does.

[neels]

There is and it is alive and well in the White House. There are clear indicators, well, clear for everybody else if not for you.
The indicators are listed here and almost all are happening right now.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
I had to go back to that article to see if it was produced based on the current administration, it just seemed to coincidental that they are ticking pretty much every box.

[pritch]

Which Specific ones? The ones that commit violent crimes...



Here you go, nothing about criminals. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7YSF4ZgyeOc

You can go back on ignore you are just too wilfully obtuse. People are dying, your bullshit is offensive.

[TheDemonLord]

Here you go, nothing about criminals. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7YSF4ZgyeOc

You can go back on ignore you are just too wilfully obtuse. People are dying, your bullshit is offensive.

Hold up - let's get the full clip, shall we? Because all the Left-wing channels are using a clip that convieniently omit the preceeding statements and remove the chiron from the bottom.

To give the proper context - it was a discussion about the Murder of Iryna Zarutska.

It seems that the full clip has dissapeared - fortunately, we have that most famous of Right Wing sources...

Stuff (https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360823112/american-political-commentator-advocates-killing-homeless-people-lethal-injection)

And let's add in the bit right before the clipped section


"we shouldn’t have to live in fear.”

“Put him in a mental institution, put him in a jail, and you guys figure it out. But people having to duck and dive on the trains and the buses, walking through the street, this is one case, but this is happening all across the country, and it's not a money issue.”

Seems very clear to me given the above comment that it's not killing all homeless people, but rather - the ones that have 14 arrests for violent behavior and stab random refugees on a train.

But hey - I agree, it was in bad taste, shouldn't have been made.

Still not TMZ cheering though, is it?

The only people being willfully obtuse is the Media.

[sugilite]

As much as I think Charlie was a prize cunt the full discussion around that quote provides a lot better context

My position on Charlie pre murder was kinda neutral, in the fact that I would see his talking points dismantled with hard facts, and he would pretend that had not just happened and go straight back to his talking points. So I largely ignored him. When learning of what he said regarding his feelings that a number of deaths is acceptable to protect 2nd amendment rights - same as TDL has said. Well, I strongly feel If people that say such things are not prepared to suffer the realities and consequences of what they are putting forward upon their own selves, then they have no right to be saying it in the first place. That was the point I was making.

If anyone is interested in how the likes of Kirk and very much tdl like to deliberately muddy the waters and constantly move goalposts, I recommend watching this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7y50cNb7c

[sugilite]

Okay - can you post a clip of say Fox News or similar cheering and going 'Woohoo!' at any of the events you mentioned, in the same way that TMZ did?


I do not watch TMZ, and the reason will be that I deemed them to be to be far left nut jobs. So by my measurement you found a far left radical youtube channel saying shitty things about conservatives. Big whoop, plenty of far right do the same things.

What I found most telling in your rebuttals, is not one of them addressed my multiple trump references of his failures and bullshit. Which if course is why you have been scarce around this thread of late and only want to discuss the kirk situation while very obviously avoiding anything related to trump.

You disagree? Lets put it to the test. When trump took power again, you breathlessly came in to this thread attributing some meaningless Israel palestinian "progress" to big daddy trump coming in and knocking those squabbling "brothers" heads together. When I mentioned he had failed in his election promise of ending the ukraine war in 24 hours, you said wait 6 months. So in the last week or so, we have Isreal attacking targets in quatar, of which government "gave" trump a plane and is thus a trump "allay" without telling trump their plans and we had trump literally layout the red carpet for a russian war criminal, whereupon putin arrived, walked the luscious red carpet, took the microphone spouted his propaganda, turned around and fucked off leaving trump holding his dick in his hand. Even the republican toadies said that was a super bad move on trumps part. Both leaders of these countries clearly used trumps deep narcissistic flaws against him. Confronted by these developments well after your self awarded 6 months for trump to sort these out - are you now willing to admit that trump is really bad at this form of foreign policy and has been totally played by both Russia and Israel?
Any use of whataboutisyms, or moving of goal posts will be viewed as capitulation.

[TheDemonLord]

I do not watch TMZ, and the reason will be that I deemed them to be to be far left nut jobs. So by my measurement you found a far left radical youtube channel saying shitty things about conservatives. Big whoop, plenty of far right do the same things.

Hold up - TMZ aren't just a radical youtube channel. They are a full on media organization. 232nd most visited website in the US. 80 million mobile app views in a month.

What about Medhi Hassan and Ilhan Omar smiling with joy discussing Charlie's Assassination? Would that suffice?


What I found most telling in your rebuttals, is not one of them addressed my multiple trump

Correct, cause at the moment this isn't about Trump.

I'll respond to the rest of your critique in a separate post - but not now. I'll give you the TL;DR version though - Not been that impressed with the Second Term so far.

[sugilite]

Hold up - TMZ aren't just a radical youtube channel. They are a full on media organization. 232nd most visited website in the US. 80 million mobile app views in a month.
I don't know much about them, just the same type of thing you say to me about fox, who are a right wing media giant.


What about Medhi Hassan and Ilhan Omar smiling with joy discussing Charlie's Assassination? Would that suffice?

Correct, cause at the moment this isn't about Trump.

I'll respond to the rest of your critique in a separate post - but not now. I'll give you the TL;DR version though - Not been that impressed with the Second Term so far.

The trump references I gave were directly related to kirk.
Medhi Hassan - the same guy kirk said should be deported right? Same with Omar yes? Gee I wonder why they were not kirk fans.
Oh, video link of Medhi please, I saw him saying sensible well considered things, I did not see him smiling about it.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't know much about them, just the same type of thing you say to me about fox, who are a right wing media giant.

Different scenario - often it is implied that I am following whatever Fox says - I do not watch Fox. I do not deny they have influence - only that they are not a source I use.

I don't doubt that you don't watch TMZ - I don't either. The point was whether you can find an equivalent established Media brand on the right wing actively cheering for an opponents assassination?

If you cannot, then I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between the Right and Left wings in how common-place/acceptable it is to use Political Violence.


The trump references I gave were directly related to kirk.
Medhi Hassan - the same guy kirk said should be deported right? Same with Omar yes? Gee I wonder why they were not kirk fans.
Oh, video link of Medhi please, I saw him saying sensible well considered things, I did not see him smiling about it.

Deported =/= Murdered.


https://youtu.be/wFN8bCT2XJ4?t=540

Time stamp 9:00 - She starts off saying how Mortifying it was... If you watch for about 30 seconds - Look at her facial expression - Does she Mortified to you? Or does she seem like she is suppressing a smile? Listen to her vocal up-ticks, usually associated with Happiness. Look at her big smile when she talks about Malcolm X.

I will say that Medhi was more sombre, I saw a different clip where he was smiling (which I cannot find now) - but happy to retract on Medhi.

[sugilite]

Different scenario - often it is implied that I am following whatever Fox says - I do not watch Fox. I do not deny they have influence - only that they are not a source I use.

I don't doubt that you don't watch TMZ - I don't either. The point was whether you can find an equivalent established Media brand on the right wing actively cheering for an opponents assassination?

If you cannot, then I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between the Right and Left wings in how common-place/acceptable it is to use Political Violence.
I have absolutely seen that sort of stuff from the right on podcasts and youtube channels with subscribers in the millions. I'm mopping up after trumps tariff disaster affecting my business, and don't have much time as I would like to go looking for it all again. My final word on it is, I have seen at least as much if not more more right wing hatred of the left fueled by trump and co, than what I have seen from the left. However, I feel the truth is they are as bad as each other, just in different ways. You won't ever convince me the right are any better than the left, i seen waaaay too much shit.




https://youtu.be/wFN8bCT2XJ4?t=540

Time stamp 9:00 - She starts off saying how Mortifying it was... If you watch for about 30 seconds - Look at her facial expression - Does she Mortified to you? Or does she seem like she is suppressing a smile? Listen to her vocal up-ticks, usually associated with Happiness. Look at her big smile when she talks about Malcolm X.

I will say that Medhi was more sombre, I saw a different clip where he was smiling (which I cannot find now) - but happy to retract on Medhi.

I watched it, first with sound off, then on. She was also smiling later in the video when describing issues she faced that were less than optimal for herself. So a bit meh. I personally would not of offered up that video as any sort of gotcha moment.

You have my interest regarding your pending trump comments. Lets start with my earlier question regarding trumps efforts at "Peacemaker" first and try to keep it on one issue at a time.

You are right about the fox host waffling on about lethal injections, specifically for criminally insane types. Which is still really, really bad, as most are criminals because their sickness has not been treated by the terrible US health system. His sorry not sorry speech was particularly pathetic, especially the 2 massive side eye glances as he told 2 big lies.

[husaberg]

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[Kickaha]

If you cannot, then I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between the Right and Left wings in how common-place/acceptable it is to use Political Violence.


Yes there is and the right commit more of it, there's multiple studies that show that

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[TheDemonLord]

Yes there is and the right commit more of it, there's multiple studies that show that

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So, I had a look - because my first thought was 'I bet that includes the Oklahoma city bombing' - and lo and behold it did.

I am not sure you could call Timothy McVeigh 'Right Wing' per se, He was more anti-government (regardless of it's flavour)

But when I went looking - I found how they classified right wing and left wing.


Right (involuntarily celibate ideology, anti-abortion, white supremacist, etc.),

Left (communism, animal rights, environmentalism, anti-white, etc.),

Incel is not a Right Wing philosophy, Anti-Abortion - in the US Context, maybe - but I would counter that usually it is more Religiously motivated, White Supremacy is also not a Right Wing Philosophy (as much as the Left tries to claim it is)

At least with the Left - they've got some actual political philosophies in there.

In short - I think that graph is bunk at best. At worst, I would say it uses a very dubious definition of Right Wing in order to pad the stats to make a point.

Additionally, when I looked for sources of incidents that they used, I was not able to find a full break down - so we could actually look and see who they classified as Right/Left and whether or not their classification was accurate.

[TheDemonLord]

I have absolutely seen that sort of stuff from the right on podcasts and youtube channels with subscribers in the millions.

Suppose I take your word for it (for the moment), I am trying to think of the larger YouTube and Podcast shows that are on the Right - I have seen them express joy at the downfall of prominent figures on the Left (especially when they were hoisted by their own petard) - but not over Deaths. The difference, though, is scale.

A Youtuber, even a professional one that has a team behind them - is not a Media company like TMZ.

I bet if you could be a fly in the wall at say the BBC or the Guardian offices, you'd hear/see the same joy expressed.


I watched it, first with sound off, then on. She was also smiling later in the video when describing issues she faced that were less than optimal for herself. So a bit meh. I personally would not of offered up that video as any sort of gotcha moment.

There was another clip I saw - but I can't find it - but okay, fair you found it Meh.


You have my interest regarding your pending trump comments. Lets start with my earlier question regarding trumps efforts at "Peacemaker" first and try to keep it on one issue at a time.

It's been a bit of a bust on that front, much weaker than I'd hoped. There did seem to be a period where he was getting on top of the Gaza conflict, but then the ceasefire was broken. But I'll expand later.


You are right about the fox host waffling on about lethal injections, specifically for criminally insane types. Which is still really, really bad, as most are criminals because their sickness has not been treated by the terrible US health system. His sorry not sorry speech was particularly pathetic, especially the 2 massive side eye glances as he told 2 big lies.

So, I am going to take a different line on this - we all agree it is in bad taste and it was wrong to say. I want to interrogate why it was said - because I feel that is the more interesting question.

Firstly, whilst that was in the US Context, I see similar sentiments and scenarios happening in the UK, which has a Socialized Health system - so I don't think you can blame Health Care (or lack thereof) for it.

But secondly is the pattern that we see repeated: Someone who objectively should either be in Prison or in a Psych ward has been released back into the Population and committed some grievous act of violence.

And people are tired of this happening.

Most people, right and left want to be compassionate, we want to give people the benefit of the doubt, we want to believe that if we can just show the right amount of kindness that some people will change their ways and become productive members of society.

Everytime that blows up in the collective face, people inch a little bit more towards 'There is no point helping them, they will just do it anyway' - which, if you run that line of thinking to it's ultimate conclusion - you get to the point that the Fox News host said out-loud: "Just kill them"

To be clear - I am not advocating for that position.

[sugilite]

Suppose I take your word for it (for the moment), I am trying to think of the larger YouTube and Podcast shows that are on the Right - I have seen them express joy at the downfall of prominent figures on the Left (especially when they were hoisted by their own petard) - but not over Deaths. The difference, though, is scale.

A Youtuber, even a professional one that has a team behind them - is not a Media company like TMZ.

I bet if you could be a fly in the wall at say the BBC or the Guardian offices, you'd hear/see the same joy expressed.
As would the Right Wing ones. I would likely place more importance on your words if you criticized the never ending hateful rhetoric coming from trump himself on a daily basis. Because of that, it is hard for me not to view your writings on this subject as partisan whining.


It's been a bit of a bust on that front, much weaker than I'd hoped. There did seem to be a period where he was getting on top of the Gaza conflict, but then the ceasefire was broken. But I'll expand later.
bibi and putin have been running rings around trump from the start of this term.



So, I am going to take a different line on this - we all agree it is in bad taste and it was wrong to say. I want to interrogate why it was said - because I feel that is the more interesting question.

Firstly, whilst that was in the US Context, I see similar sentiments and scenarios happening in the UK, which has a Socialized Health system - so I don't think you can blame Health Care (or lack thereof) for it.
I'm going to assume that the NHS has been defunding mental health in a similar way to both political parties here, so I do not agree with your view of the health system has no blame.


To be clear - I am not advocating for that position.
It sure looks like you are building a case for that position!

[Kickaha]

Blah blah blah blah

I looked at four different studies, although the percentages were slightly different they all said the same thing

I thought a picture might be better for those who struggle with words

[TheDemonLord]

I looked at four different studies, although the percentages were slightly different they all said the same thing

I thought a picture might be better for those who struggle with words

Okay - humour me for a second - exactly how is an Incel "Right Wing"?

Start from there.

[Katman]

What if Charlie Kirk was actually taken out by a foreign power?

He was certainly becoming increasingly more vocal in his support of a non-interventionist stance in Middle East politics.

[TheDemonLord]

As would the Right Wing ones. I would likely place more importance on your words if you criticized the never ending hateful rhetoric coming from trump himself on a daily basis. Because of that, it is hard for me not to view your writings on this subject as partisan whining.

So, now that the dust has settled a bit - there is a point going around the internet (I've seen it expressed on multiple sources) that I think is now relevant:

How many Riots did the Assassination of Charlie Kirk cause? How many cities burned? How many mostly peaceful protests?

Therein lies the difference - and I don't think it is mere partisan allegiance.

And yes, there have been rumblings of Civil War - and unless there can be something that allows the Left and Right to re-unite (and maybe this is it, I don't know) those rumblings will grow louder and louder.


I'm going to assume that the NHS has been defunding mental health in a similar way to both political parties here, so I do not agree with your view of the health system has no blame.

The issue I have, is after say the 4th conviction for Violent offences, It's no longer in the realm of Mental Health, is it?


It sure looks like you are building a case for that position!

More like - understanding the problem. And it is very much a problem and unless something addresses it, it is going to get worse as a problem.

There is a certain type of person, in a position of power who is divorced from the consequences of their own compassion. So they go in, do something that makes themselves feel good, pat themselves on the back for being such a good and virtuous person - whilst everyone else suffers for their decision.

"mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent"

[pritch]

The president is supposed to seperate himself from his business interests; they made President Carter sell his peanut farm. Trump though has turned the presidency into a money maker.

The latest is that he plans to sue the Department of Justice for the document searches at Mar a Lago for $115 million. I don't know why he stopped $115 million, as president he can just order the DOJ to pay up and settle. Nice work if you can get it.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-plans-file-100-million-lawsuit-justice-department-mar-lago-searc-rcna166208

[sugilite]

So, now that the dust has settled a bit - there is a point going around the internet (I've seen it expressed on multiple sources) that I think is now relevant:

How many Riots did the Assassination of Charlie Kirk cause? How many cities burned? How many mostly peaceful protests?
This argument you are putting up is exactly as useless as your "would not have happened under trump twaddle". Do better mate. And you AGAIN did not address my point regarding trumps daily hate rhetoric.



The issue I have, is after say the 4th conviction for Violent offences, It's no longer in the realm of Mental Health, is it?
That purely depends if the person got the correct treatment or not.



There is a certain type of person, in a position of power who is divorced from the consequences of their own compassion. So they go in, do something that makes themselves feel good, pat themselves on the back for being such a good and virtuous person - whilst everyone else suffers for their decision.

"mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent"
Replace the single word "Compassion" for hubris and you have just described trump to a "T".

And I see the party you swore black and blue did not indulge in the culture of cancel are now on a big cancel culture run. And Bannon and co are desperately trying to frame this as a group of leftest terrorists that bought about kirks death, not the actions of a single shooter which all the evidence points towards. Republicans will do all they can to ramp up the hate against the left (especially when they know a mid term hiding is coming.)
Check out what the Kimmel show just got cancelled over - watch the video from the link below. I just happened to watch that episode after not watching kimmel for months. He did not say anything else in that episode that should of bought his shows sacking.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360827879/what-jimmy-kimmel-said-about-charlie-kirk-got-him-taken-air

[Laava]

This argument you are putting up is exactly as useless as your "would not have happened under trump twaddle". Do better mate. And you AGAIN did not address my point regarding trumps daily hate rhetoric.



That purely depends if the person got the correct treatment or not.



Replace the single word "Compassion" for hubris and you have just described trump to a "T".

And I see the party you swore black and blue did not indulge in the culture of cancel are now on a big cancel culture run. And Bannon and co are desperately trying to frame this as a group of leftest terrorists that bought about kirks death, not the actions of a single shooter which all the evidence points towards. Republicans will do all they can to ramp up the hate against the left (especially when they know a mid term hiding is coming.)
Check out what the Kimmel show just got cancelled over - watch the video from the link below. I just happened to watch that episode after not watching kimmel for months. He did not say anything else in that episode that should of bought his shows sacking.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360827879/what-jimmy-kimmel-said-about-charlie-kirk-got-him-taken-air
That seems like a vendetta move. Straight outta Putins playbook…

[neels]

That seems like a vendetta move. Straight outta Putins playbook…
Not at all the actions of a dictator

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360828429/abc-blocked-uk-press-conference-after-clash-trump

[Laava]

Can't decide if this is serious or not?

[F5 Dave]

Hahaha

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360829506/theyre-not-allowed-do-trump-threatens-tv-licences-over-coverage-him

Go on. Try explain why this is not cancel culture.

Repression of media by threatening to close them down. Jesus with a big one sticking out his arse this is what dictatators start with. FFS how can anyone still defend this fat orange cunt?

[sugilite]

trump wants to take America back into Afghanistan - I know a certain someone that will be stoked to hear that :innocent::laugh:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360828906/trump-says-putin-let-me-down-suggests-us-could-return-military-base-afghanistan

[Laava]

Top 5 things…

https://youtube.com/shorts/Qnv8LAzhHk8?si=hWuOJ7zDfTjAD8FT

[pritch]

Repression of media by threatening to close them down. Jesus with a big one sticking out his arse this is what dictatators start with. FFS how can anyone still defend this fat orange cunt?

Some will find a way to defend the indefensible.

In a recent reported comment somebody mentioned the First Amendment which guarantees free speech and Trump replied that he wasn't sure about that.

Many Americans think free speech gives them the right to say anything they like. That's not quite true, at a basic level it gives the press the right to criticise the government. Or it did until now. There are exceptions like shouting fire in a crowded theatre, "fighting words" promoting immediate violence, and defamation.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-first-amendment-rights_n_68c8d36ae4b00ea6483a2acd?origin=home-latest-news-unit

[pritch]

This lady handled presidential pardons until Trump replaced her. This is worth a watch, the corruption has no limits.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ktyjH0ff4hI

[pritch]

Seems about right.

[R650R]

While Trump and others worry about bullets in Zambia 79% believe in witchcraft being legit.

Two men jailed for assaination attempt via witch craft

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr57rr9598o

[sugilite]

Coincidentally, trump loves himself a good witch hunt.

[husaberg]

LOL nothing to see here its normal to accept big bags of cash as bribes......
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/20/us/politics/tom-homan-fbi-trump.html

[sugilite]

No one from the right showed more disrespect towards Charlie Kirk than trump himself.

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[pritch]

The attendees at Kirk's memorial crashed the Grindr site again. The "again" is appropriate because it happened twice at the Republican National Conference. These family values types must have big closets.

[neels]

Is this the best illustration yet what a petty, small minded, insecure little man trump really is?

trump-unveils-presidential-walk-fame-white-house-biden-gets-autopen-portrait (https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360834622/trump-unveils-presidential-walk-fame-white-house-biden-gets-autopen-portrait)

Must be frustrating when people still don't like you despite all your efforts to prove how successful and clever you are, while there are others that people just like even if they don't necessarily agree with them because they are just likeable.

[Stylo]

Houston. We have a problem....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRREsyFgO6w

[Laava]

What a petty cunt.

[pritch]

Cartman knows.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1320327579447753

[pritch]

Currently there is just one more signature needed to force a Congressional vote on releasing the Epstein files. A newly elected Democrat has said she will sign. All that is required is that she be sworn in. Speaker of the House Johnson will not swear her in. It's almost as if he's trying to hide something?

[F5 Dave]

There are some good people over there.

Maybe someone can commit the self sacrifice and pull the plug out.

[Pursang]

.........
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[F5 Dave]

Well it's not wrong

[Pursang]

..........
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[pritch]

Weird doings in the Eastern District of Virginia. Trump wanted the US Attorney there to charge James Comey former head of the FBI. The man in question said there was no charge that could be laid and resigned, although Trump says he fired him. Trump appointed a former beauty queen contestant, Lindsay Halligan, with almost zero court experience, she'd worked in insurance, to the position and she signed the necessary court papers. Hers was the only signature.

The president can make an interim appointment but it should be a person already approved by a Senate hearing. She was not Senate approved so her signature on the charging document is invalid. She's not even licensed to practice law in Virginia. Normally these details would be critical but under Trump not so much.

So we have an interesting situation. The charging document contained just one signature. That signature was invalid. The statute of limitations has expired now so the charges can't be relaid. The case should be thrown out but that would still take a degree of courage on the part of the judge. We await developments with interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjBuSuieJKE

[Laava]

https://www.ducati.community/attachments/img_6948-webp.147839/This picture kinda sums up the motivation in this and many other instances. Again, what a petty cunt.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/blob:https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/9c46604d-5130-4454-abaa-283bc7e29dd9
https://www.ducati.community/attachments/img_6948-webp.147839/

[pritch]

Trump flew out of DC on Marine 1 Tuesday and has not been seen since. Helicopters are big fat juicy targets so Marine 1 is actually three helicopters. You only see one on TV normally but there are three identical helicopters which makes hitting the right one a much more difficult task.

There has been activity on his social media since Tuesday but that doesn't need to be him. Walter Reid?

[Pursang]

Hiding from the Shutdown blowback......In his Bunker!
https://brooklynculturejammers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/trumpgolf-fat-3.jpg?w=848

[R650R]

Trump flew out of DC on Marine 1 Tuesday and has not been seen since. Helicopters are big fat juicy targets so Marine 1 is actually three helicopters. You only see one on TV normally but there are three identical helicopters which makes hitting the right one a much more difficult task.

There has been activity on his social media since Tuesday but that doesn't need to be him. Walter Reid?

These kind of wild conspiracy theories are what gives conspiracy theories a bad name ;)

[F5 Dave]

I can't get over two things.

1. How the everyman thinks he is on their side.

2. Why they think he was a successful business man.

He bankrupt at least 2 casino. Here's how they work: people walk in . Give you all thier money and often borrowed funds. Then they walk away until they can find something else to hock and repeat the process. You have no manufacturing expenses. No high paid staff. Sometimes machines shake the buckets to collect cash with flashing lights and a mathematical algorithm.

How the fuck does even a cretin crash one of those???

[pritch]

These kind of wild conspiracy theories are what gives conspiracy theories a bad name ;)

Which bit is the wild conspiracy theory?

[Laava]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360846509/trump-says-hell-look-possible-maxwell-pardon

[pritch]

Trump disappeared for five days - again. On his return he said, "It will be very unfair in the future when they don't have Trump to fight for them."
It doesn't seem a wild conspiracy theory to infer that while Trump has been missing in action he has had cause to contemplate his own mortality.

[pritch]

As the man says, you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P902FDQGK0s

[F5 Dave]

Yeah. But not in a row.
I mean, except on the card. . .