Stupid World [Archive] - Page 17

blue rider

12th November 2014, 19:44

Lifelong surveillance of ex prisoners.
we might can't keep them in prison, or get them to return to prison after a day out, but we sure can supervise them long after they have finished their sentence.

Don't ya all feel safer now? And freer, so much feer.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11355891

The Government wants the special orders to be extended to a broader group of offenders and for the maximum 10-year time limit to be abolished.

Attorney-General Chris Finlayson vetted the legislation and found it was inconsistent with Bill of Rights provisions which protected against retroactive penalties and double jeopardy.

His report was backed by the New Zealand Law Society, which said these rights were "fundamental constitutional safeguards" which should not be "eroded through incremental amendment".

Corrections Minister Sam Lotu-liga defended the expansion of the orders, telling the Herald the proposed changes "carefully balanced" the need to protect people from serious offending and the rights of offenders.

MPs will debate the bill when Parliament resumes this month and it is expected to get cross-party support. The Government is determined to get the bill passed this year so it can continue to closely monitor 25 high-risk paedophiles whose 10-year orders will run out next year.

Labour MP Phil Goff said he was "worried" about the human rights implications but he was confident the orders would be preventive measures and not used punitively. He knew some of the high-risk paedophiles from his time as Justice Minister and said they had low IQ and low self-control and were a significant risk to children.

and its bipartisan, how adorable

oldrider

12th November 2014, 20:04

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/virus-that-makes-humans-more-stupid-discovered-9849920.html

Would you know if you were on of the 40%?...

One of the good things about KB ... I can always rely upon you to tell me, I don't have to sweat that kind of small stuff! :no:

Brian d marge

12th November 2014, 20:19

mashman

12th November 2014, 20:30

So 25 nut jobs can force a law change . . .
What about 150 looneys in the round house in wellington look at how many children they are abusing and how much damage they are doing , . . How about ankle bracelets for them lot

Shock collars. Who owns the rights to parliament TV? coz it'd become a very popular channel very quickly... especially if the company who provides the collars also provides a mobile phone app to vote for a shocking.

Skip to 1:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuKva8GUwBk

Brian d marge

12th November 2014, 20:39

Shock collars. Who owns the rights to parliament TV? coz it'd become a very popular channel very quickly... especially if the company who provides the collars also provides a mobile phone app to vote for a shocking.

Skip to 1:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuKva8GUwBk
We have an app for that

Does the voltage increase with voter disapproval :cool:

oldrider

12th November 2014, 20:53

Is this what Steve Hanson is angling for to control the (rugby) referees? ... Have to say I am all for it! :lol:

blue rider

13th November 2014, 17:20

Akzle

13th November 2014, 17:39

and this is awesome

http://www.theoceancleanup.com/

:clap::clap::clap:

and no I don't care to know how futile it is, or unsound the technology is, or how money is involved, or any of the other stuff.

This is cool, a 20 year old who is doing it. So very fucking awesome.

i was discussing this the other day, apparently someone has actually found a use close-to-in-situ (recycling the shit)... if it weren't for the copious beverages consumed i might actually have some kind of fucken idea. i'll follow it up, because it was fucking cool, and this is one of the many things that fuck me off about humans.

Ocean1

13th November 2014, 19:10

i was discussing this the other day, apparently someone has actually found a use close-to-in-situ (recycling the shit)... if it weren't for the copious beverages consumed i might actually have some kind of fucken idea. i'll follow it up, because it was fucking cool, and this is one of the many things that fuck me off about humans.

It's not difficult to convert most of it into something very close to layers of the crude oil from which they were made. At which point the collection of it is easily paid for, just on the value of the fuel and other products created alone. Except for PVC, any trace of PVC in the feedstock and you're in trouble, makes chloride-related compounds that are quite toxic and very difficult to separate or make safe. Find a way to identify and remove PVC effectively and reliably from that collected stream of garbage and I can make you a wealthy man.

Brian d marge

13th November 2014, 19:16

Talking about plastic . . A dodge i use is baking soda and super glue

I suppose u could also use other powders . . But it goes like concrete and is brittle but u can file it . . . Handy for tool kit when . .

mashman

13th November 2014, 20:29

and this is awesome

http://www.theoceancleanup.com/

:clap::clap::clap:

and no I don't care to know how futile it is, or unsound the technology is, or how money is involved, or any of the other stuff.

This is cool, a 20 year old who is doing it. So very fucking awesome.

Perhaps this guy could help them: Billionaire aims to be broke before he dies. (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-aims-broke-dies-225705197.html).

blue rider

14th November 2014, 10:06

because clearly if you stand in the way of profit we must exterminate you

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/andes-to-the-amazon/2014/jun/29/peru-licence-to-kill-environmental-protestors

Brian d marge

14th November 2014, 23:33

because clearly if you stand in the way of profit we must exterminate you

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/andes-to-the-amazon/2014/jun/29/peru-licence-to-kill-environmental-protestors

The same in Paris , mind you the froggies love smashing things up !

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Might have to wait for me TV ,,,,, Nz being what it is an all .......

Stephen

mashman

16th November 2014, 08:24

Israel bans Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert from Gaza (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30054556) :facepalm:

Brian d marge

16th November 2014, 15:06

Shut up and pay yr Numpty tax

hahahahahahahahahahahaa

mustnt grumble eh !

Stephen

mashman

16th November 2014, 15:38

Shut up and pay yr Numpty tax

hahahahahahahahahahahaa

mustnt grumble eh !

Stephen

I called Stockholm Syndrome a while ago ;).

Brian d marge

16th November 2014, 17:21

I called Stockholm Syndrome a while ago ;).

But that is free , this way the Numptys pay tax which benefits society as a whole , we could even pay off our debt and abolish student loans

Stephen

Akzle

16th November 2014, 18:51

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11195687/Tourists-warned-of-dangers-of-bear-selfies.html

darwingasm

unstuck

16th November 2014, 19:58

darwingasm

Fuckers deserve to get eaten.:weird:

unstuck

16th November 2014, 20:04

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husaberg

16th November 2014, 20:35

banned in the US
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/21/t1larg.kinder.egg.afp.gi.jpg

mashman

17th November 2014, 07:49

G-20 leaders agree on $2 trillion boost to growth (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/g-20-leaders-agree-2-085123068.html)... idiots.

mashman

17th November 2014, 08:06

avgas

17th November 2014, 15:52

bogan

17th November 2014, 15:58

G-20 leaders agree on $2 trillion boost to growth (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/g-20-leaders-agree-2-085123068.html)... idiots.

You even bother to read it?

"We've taken a few small steps forward," he said. "Inclusive growth, which really requires the benefits to flow to jobs and to the poor and to women, is in the text, rather than flowing to profits and the top 5 percent."

Or you still thinking increasing GDP is somehow money printing :killingme

blue rider

17th November 2014, 16:00

A highlight of Chancellor Merkel’s visit will be an inspection of the NICTA research to develop secure and reliable software systems. These are designed to make the world’s increasing number of devices and computer systems safer from malicious attacks and malfunction. This will help ensure the integrity of everyday infrastructure and services such as road systems, electricity supply, health devices such as pacemakers, and emergency services. NICTA is funded and supported by Federal and State Governments and 22 university partners

http://www.nicta.com.au/media/current/nicta_welcomes_visit_from_german_chancellor_angela _merkel

you might don't know what NICTA does

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NICTA

of course this can not be

funding cuts For NICTA
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/nicta-hosts-angela-merkel-amid-funding-cuts/5895790

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/13/budget-2014-govt-chops-nicta-funds-two-years/

Brian d marge

17th November 2014, 16:11

You even bother to read it?

"We've taken a few small steps forward," he said. "Inclusive growth, which really requires the benefits to flow to jobs and to the poor and to women, is in the text, rather than flowing to profits and the top 5 percent."

Or you still thinking increasing GDP is somehow money printing :killingme

Trust me its hokum

Japan is technically is recession, Europe is bailing water to try and stave off deflation

and the dumbarses solution is to build more shit ( Japan has tried that ...) and then they let the imf loose , remember IMF means America !

So what we will have is a massive wealth transfer to , wall street ( I hesitate to say wall street )

AT the expense of the environment , sustainability ...

Fk em

Stephen

unstuck

17th November 2014, 16:14

Huh - you can collect rain water?

http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html :shifty::shifty:

Brian d marge

17th November 2014, 16:15

Huh - you can collect rain water?

No in many states in america u cant

http://www.harvesth2o.com/statues_regulations.shtml

Dont think its restricted to America , they tried it on Bolivia ( Imf again !)

Also as of last week , Ireland slapped a water tax on everyone

Stephen

mashman

17th November 2014, 16:18

bogan

17th November 2014, 16:22

I've heard the whole, "don't worry, we can get more money, it's all good bro, trust us" thing before. It's bullshit.

Glad you finally have the intellectual empathy to understand my position.

I've heard it too, then bent my back and wiped my brow; and it was all good :sunny:

I've always understood you position is based on emotions and not logic, this is why faulting it is just too easy :yes:

blue rider

17th November 2014, 16:26

ahhh the great barrier reef

who needs it anyways

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/15/great-barrier-reef-queensland-lobbies-unesco-behind-the-scenes-at-g20

Brian d marge

17th November 2014, 16:58

http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.modcult.org/mc/images/thumbs_128-spice.jpg?1254943363

New Zealand ......Wasteland of the Empire, and the most valuable country in the Universe. Because it is here and only here, where spice is found. Without the spice, there is no commerce in the empire, no civilization. Tokoroa .... Home of the Spice, most valuable treasure in the universe. And he who controls it, controls our destiny.

Stephen

mashman

17th November 2014, 17:07

I've heard it too, then bent my back and wiped my brow; and it was all good :sunny:

I've always understood you position is based on emotions and not logic, this is why faulting it is just too easy :yes:

Cool story bro. Bet the vast majority of the country are doing the exactly same thing but under slightly different circumstances to you. Good to know that you're getting on with it too.

:rofl:@emotions. I once told a lass, who apologised to me for what she perceived as an emotive tanty, I listened to what you were saying, not how you said it. You do not understand my position in the slightest... but please, by all means carry on telling me otherwise.

ahhh the great barrier reef

who needs it anyways

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/15/great-barrier-reef-queensland-lobbies-unesco-behind-the-scenes-at-g20

Hot potato hot potato. Hot potato hot potato. S'alright, we can throw money at it and pretend to do what is truly needed. In an R.B.E. the bankers could end up literally saving the world should they choose to go plastic wrangling :laugh:

bogan

17th November 2014, 17:19

Cool story bro. Bet the vast majority of the country are doing the exactly same thing but under slightly different circumstances to you. Good to know that you're getting on with it too.

:rofl:@emotions. I once told a lass, who apologised to me for what she perceived as an emotive tanty, I listened to what you were saying, not how you said it. You do not understand my position in the slightest... but please, by all means carry on telling me otherwise.

Yup, they sure are, good to see things working out too :woohoo:

Empathy does refer to emotions you know, and I understand yours, though I also understand why they fail you. But anyway, I'll continue to be happy creating the changes I wish too see, as proof positive my position is correct, and you'll continue to ineffectually bitch about those you can't, as proof yours is incorrect.

unstuck

17th November 2014, 17:24

I'll continue to be happy creating the changes I wish too see,

:love::love::love::love: Wanna root? :blip:

bogan

17th November 2014, 17:28

:love::love::love::love: Wanna root? :blip:

Unfortunately those changes do not include a peepee up my pooper, especially since I have spent a good portion of the day on the throne after contracting something from Hamilton; one can only image what I might get from a liason with an inhabitant of gore...

mashman

17th November 2014, 17:34

Yup, they sure are, good to see things working out too :woohoo:

Empathy does refer to emotions you know, and I understand yours, though I also understand why they fail you. But anyway, I'll continue to be happy creating the changes I wish too see, as proof positive my position is correct, and you'll continue to ineffectually bitch about those you can't, as proof yours is incorrect.

Chur.

Mine aren't failing me :D.

unstuck

17th November 2014, 17:35

one can only image what I might get from a liason with an inhabitant of gore...

Educated.:moon:

bogan

17th November 2014, 17:38

Chur.

Mine aren't failing me :D.

Funny definition of success then considering how little you have created or changed...

Educated.:moon:

Haha, well there are certainly worse things to be I suppose.

mashman

17th November 2014, 17:57

Funny definition of success then considering how little you have created or changed...

Success, no. Progress.

bogan

17th November 2014, 18:04

Success, no.

My point exactly.

Brian d marge

17th November 2014, 22:52

talking about nothing changing

Snip;Speaking after the G20 meeting of world leaders, David Cameron said a "dangerous backdrop of instability" threatened Britain's recovery, and "we should stick to our long-term plan".

Bend over and dont forget the lube!!!!

Stephen

unstuck

18th November 2014, 06:27

blue rider

18th November 2014, 06:58

putin speaks

http://www.sott.net/article/288000-Paul-Craig-Roberts-Vladimir-Putin-is-the-leader-of-the-moral-world

intro by Paul Craig Roberts (another very unreliable source :) ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

but yes, lets send troops to Iraq to train troops of Iraq, because the Iraqi troops that were trained by the US Troops over the last 10 years turned out to be unreliable troops that are now the troops of ISIS.

:)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11333569
http://www.3news.co nz/politics/sas-in-iraq-unlikely---key-2014101311
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63257141/Government-could-send-SAS-to-Iraq

dear leader might not support us, be he sure does support the US

mashman

18th November 2014, 08:52

Second Global Crash Is Looming, Warns Cameron (https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/second-global-crash-looming-warns-024729789.html) :killingme... have some financial fear propaganda.

mashman

18th November 2014, 10:35

Japan slides into recession as tax hike takes toll (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/japan-says-economy-contracted-1-6-pct-july-000851820--finance.html)... I'm sure it'll all turn out fine.

New report: Child homelessness on the rise in US (http://news.yahoo.com/report-child-homelessness-rise-us-053728730.html)... Nope, homelessness and poverty is still rising.

Prosecutors troubled by extent of military fraud (http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-troubled-extent-military-fraud-091143189.html)... Corruption is normal, they should STFU and just accept it.

No safety concerns yet in trials of GSK's Ebola vaccine (http://news.yahoo.com/no-safety-concerns-yet-trials-gsks-ebola-vaccine-105057676--finance.html)... Bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa, coming to a Dr near you soon.

Missouri governor activates National Guard (http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governor-activates-national-guard-201522300.html)... Protect life? Bit fuckin late like.

blue rider

18th November 2014, 19:15

Brian d marge

18th November 2014, 20:51

Peter Schiff: "The party is coming to an end".: http://youtu.be/sGkxv2TFS7o

Here ya go . . .really
Worth a listen . . .tweedledee might evenbe fapping himself blind by the end . . .

mashman

18th November 2014, 21:52

Peter Schiff: "The party is coming to an end".: http://youtu.be/sGkxv2TFS7o

Here ya go . . .really
Worth a listen . . .tweedledee might evenbe fapping himself blind by the end . . .

It be fine. They've got disneyland n california girls. Reminds me of that imf bloke speaking of the shift from west to east.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOwZwkhFemQ

Brian d marge

18th November 2014, 22:51

Seen him before hahaahha

bogan

20th November 2014, 08:03

Bob Geldof says Band Aid 30 task was 'exhausting and embarrassing' (https://nz.entertainment.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/article/-/25527334/bob-geldof-says-band-aid-30-task-was-exhausting-and-embarrassing/)... gotta feel for the guy. 30 years and still no resolution.

Maybe if Bobbo retrained in the medical field he could do more... Or just stopped being so much of self-absorbed cunt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11236278/Why-Adele-was-right-to-ignore-Bob-Geldof-and-Band-Aid.html

mashman

20th November 2014, 08:34

London student protests turn violent, arrests made (http://www.rt.com/uk/206991-student-protest-clash-police/)... here's hoping that no group applies any strategy to their protesting, because the outcome could be very different.

oldrider

20th November 2014, 08:37

mashman

20th November 2014, 08:48

Maybe if Bobbo retrained in the medical field he could do more... Or just stopped being so much of self-absorbed cunt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11236278/Why-Adele-was-right-to-ignore-Bob-Geldof-and-Band-Aid.html

Maybe... but then who's going to raise the money to train future Doctors and Nurses? I think the idea was to raise awareness that the self-absorbed cunts reaction to the issue has resulted in a global failure. Well done for providing yourself as the evidence to back that up :niceone:

"Adele is doing nothing" etc... if you've seen the interview where he utters those words you'll find that there's an entirely different context, although that doesn't sell papers... but it does detract, and pour derision, on the fact that 30 years ago a group of musicians raised billions of $ around the world to help the starving in Africa etc... something that every single govt on the planet with all of their resources and free money have been unable to achieve EVER. Tis a media beat up.

bogan

20th November 2014, 10:14

.. True! :niceone:

Two sides and all that eh!

Maybe... but then who's going to raise the money to train future Doctors and Nurses? I think the idea was to raise awareness that the self-absorbed cunts reaction to the issue has resulted in a global failure. Well done for providing yourself as the evidence to back that up :niceone:

"Adele is doing nothing" etc... if you've seen the interview where he utters those words you'll find that there's an entirely different context, although that doesn't sell papers... but it does detract, and pour derision, on the fact that 30 years ago a group of musicians raised billions of $ around the world to help the starving in Africa etc... something that every single govt on the planet with all of their resources and free money have been unable to achieve EVER. Tis a media beat up.

The people they fix... Those who donate without having to look to musicians... How much have you donated to the cause? that is the measure of a self absorbed cunt in this context is it not, how much has Bobbo donated (net donation after discounting for tax breaks/evasion generated that is).

And lets not get started on how much or little of the donated money gets to where it should... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259061/Sorry-Bob-Geldof-Band-Aid-millions-DID-pay-guns.html

Actually the money raised by Band Aid paled in comparison to the aid received by government sources.

mashman

20th November 2014, 12:12

Why police hate the new Apple and Google smartphones (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-police-hate-apple-google-060030350.html)... :crybaby: my heart is bleeding.

mashman

20th November 2014, 12:17

The people they fix... Those who donate without having to look to musicians... How much have you donated to the cause? that is the measure of a self absorbed cunt in this context is it not, how much has Bobbo donated (net donation after discounting for tax breaks/evasion generated that is).

And lets not get started on how much or little of the donated money gets to where it should... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259061/Sorry-Bob-Geldof-Band-Aid-millions-DID-pay-guns.html

Actually the money raised by Band Aid paled in comparison to the aid received by government sources.

I don't give to charity anymore... charitable industrial complex n all.

Better than getting nothing eh.

True, over the years that is... and yet they've still not nailed the problem.

bogan

20th November 2014, 12:39

I don't give to charity anymore... charitable industrial complex n all.

Better than getting nothing eh.

True, over the years that is... and yet they've still not nailed the problem.

Figured as much.
Your view is shared by some of these folks too http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/11/bob-geldof-ebola-africa-band-aid-bono-one-direction-famin-20141113833733496.html
Who actually find the song's content somewhat offensive "According to some estimates, the Christian population in Nigeria alone is almost three times the number of Christians in England and Wales. How couldn't they know it’s Christmas? Bishop Arinze from Nigeria was at one point even in the running to be the next Pope."

May be better than nothing, but perhaps there is a better way to give, than through record moguls? something like a dedicated organisation set up not only to deal with crisis, but to actually help those in need help themselves when a headline grabbing crisis is not happening. Don't buy into the white man saviour complex so much mashy, or if you do, at the very least pay for it eh!

Maybe you should tell Bobbo that then, cos he is on to 'solving' a different problem...

mashman

20th November 2014, 13:44

Figured as much.
Your view is shared by some of these folks too http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/11/bob-geldof-ebola-africa-band-aid-bono-one-direction-famin-20141113833733496.html
Who actually find the song's content somewhat offensive "According to some estimates, the Christian population in Nigeria alone is almost three times the number of Christians in England and Wales. How couldn't they know it’s Christmas? Bishop Arinze from Nigeria was at one point even in the running to be the next Pope."

May be better than nothing, but perhaps there is a better way to give, than through record moguls? something like a dedicated organisation set up not only to deal with crisis, but to actually help those in need help themselves when a headline grabbing crisis is not happening. Don't buy into the white man saviour complex so much mashy, or if you do, at the very least pay for it eh!

Maybe you should tell Bobbo that then, cos he is on to 'solving' a different problem...

I appreciate why they'd see things that way.

I'm sure there are plenty of ways to go about addressing the issue, and that many organisations have been setup and could be created to deal with the issue with the best of intentions etc... yet I still see the same problem 30 years later. Must be those stubborn dying people not wanting to get off their arse and work their way out of their situation causing the problems eh... ungrateful shits that they must be. rofl:@buying into white man saviour complex, I did mention that I don't give to charity anymore, right?

I don't see him as trying to solve the problem, more raising awareness and getting something meaningful (money) to those who would like to act locally but don't have the funds to do it. I applaud and admire him for what he is trying to achieve, irrespective of how futile I see the action being.

oldrider

20th November 2014, 13:57

Figured as much.
Your view is shared by some of these folks too http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/11/bob-geldof-ebola-africa-band-aid-bono-one-direction-famin-20141113833733496.html
Who actually find the song's content somewhat offensive "According to some estimates, the Christian population in Nigeria alone is almost three times the number of Christians in England and Wales. How couldn't they know it’s Christmas? Bishop Arinze from Nigeria was at one point even in the running to be the next Pope."

May be better than nothing, but perhaps there is a better way to give, than through record moguls? something like a dedicated organisation set up not only to deal with crisis, but to actually help those in need help themselves when a headline grabbing crisis is not happening. Don't buy into the white man saviour complex so much mashy, or if you do, at the very least pay for it eh!

Maybe you should tell Bobbo that then, cos he is on to 'solving' a different problem...

Patronizing and condescending attitudes ... it's the same lame brained soft-cock attitude behind anti-antisemitism critics!

Jews are approx 3% of the world population yet are involved in about 90% of world cultural activities and political influence!

They simply do not need such arrogant demeaning platitudes expressed as sympathy pity or some other kind of lame excuse for being who they are!

They believe they are Gods chosen people and they know it even though gentile faux sympathizers do not know or understand what that means!

To explore and discuss one of the worlds most historically influential and leading people should be foremost!

Unfortunately any (presumed) negative mention or discussion of Jews becomes damned beneath something as pathetic as an "antisemitic" charge!

Like every other people on this earth Jews make mistakes and when they do they should be entitled to criticism just like every body else ... just who are the real anti-Semitics?

bogan

20th November 2014, 13:58

I appreciate why they'd see things that way.

I'm sure there are plenty of ways to go about addressing the issue, and that many organisations have been setup and could be created to deal with the issue with the best of intentions etc... yet I still see the same problem 30 years later. Must be those stubborn dying people not wanting to get off their arse and work their way out of their situation causing the problems eh... ungrateful shits that they must be. rofl:@buying into white man saviour complex, I did mention that I don't give to charity anymore, right?

I don't see him as trying to solve the problem, more raising awareness and getting something meaningful (money) to those who would like to act locally but don't have the funds to do it. I applaud and admire him for what he is trying to achieve, irrespective of how futile I see the action being.

Just as I appreciate why they know a shit-tonne more about the right way to see things than me, you, or bobbo. You might be surprised how much good can be done by those in need when just a wee leg-up is given; so don't be so quick to dismiss all charities as 'futile' like Bobbo's, unless you just want to excuse your own greed ofc, then go right ahead. I mean, try being the change you wish to see, instead of whining loudly at other's not changing on your whims.

bogan

20th November 2014, 14:01

Jews are approx 3% of the world population yet are involved in about 90% of world cultural activities and political influence!

Source? or go throw your antisemitic arse off a bridge.

The antisemitic charge is not leveled at you because you wish to discuss them, it is leveled at you because you just attempt to promote hate speech against them.

oldrider

20th November 2014, 14:08

Source? or go throw your antisemitic arse off a bridge.

The antisemitic charge is not leveled at you because you wish to discuss them, it is leveled at you because you just attempt to promote hate speech against them.

Antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder!

bogan

20th November 2014, 14:11

Antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder!

Well, that or it's in the guy saying hateful and untrue things about Jews; so yeh, pretty sure that's you.

oldrider

20th November 2014, 14:13

Well, that or it's in the guy saying hateful and untrue things about Jews; so yeh, pretty sure that's you.

Source? or go throw your anti-oldrider arse off a bridge.

bogan

20th November 2014, 14:17

Source? or go throw your anti-oldrider arse off a bridge.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anti-Semitism

anti-Semitism (plural anti-Semitisms)
(narrower sense) Prejudice, discrimination or hostility directed against ethnic or religious Jews; antijudaism; judeophobia.

Judeophobia
An irrational fear or hatred of Jews.

anti-Judaism (uncountable)
Opposition to Judaism.

Judaism (countable and uncountable, plural Judaisms)
An Abrahamic religion tracing its origin to the Hebrew people of the ancient Middle East, as documented in their religious writings, the Tanakh.

So yeh, describes you pretty damn well.

oldrider

20th November 2014, 14:52

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anti-Semitism

anti-Semitism (plural anti-Semitisms)
(narrower sense) Prejudice, discrimination or hostility directed against ethnic or religious Jews; antijudaism; judeophobia.

Judeophobia
An irrational fear or hatred of Jews.

anti-Judaism (uncountable)
Opposition to Judaism.

Judaism (countable and uncountable, plural Judaisms)
An Abrahamic religion tracing its origin to the Hebrew people of the ancient Middle East, as documented in their religious writings, the Tanakh.

So yeh, describes you pretty damn well.

Yeh yeh whatever ... would you like fries with that! :corn:

bogan

20th November 2014, 14:56

Yeh yeh whatever ... would you like fries with that! :corn:

Get rekd shitty.

http://i.imgur.com/yAyYZtH.gif

mashman

20th November 2014, 15:21

Patronizing and condescending attitudes ... it's the same lame brained soft-cock attitude behind anti-antisemitism critics!

Jews are approx 3% of the world population yet are involved in about 90% of world cultural activities and political influence!

They simply do not need such arrogant demeaning platitudes expressed as sympathy pity or some other kind of lame excuse for being who they are!

They believe they are Gods chosen people and they know it even though gentile faux sympathizers do not know or understand what that means!

To explore and discuss one of the worlds most historically influential and leading people should be foremost!

Unfortunately any (presumed) negative mention or discussion of Jews becomes damned beneath something as pathetic as an "antisemitic" charge!

Like every other people on this earth Jews make mistakes and when they do they should be entitled to criticism just like every body else ... just who are the real anti-Semitics?

Oligarchy lives and breathes in just about every country of the world and they all believe they are Gods chosen people until their empire falls and the next lot step up to take over. Focus on getting rid of the tools and the influence will wane.

mashman

20th November 2014, 15:29

Just as I appreciate why they know a shit-tonne more about the right way to see things than me, you, or bobbo. You might be surprised how much good can be done by those in need when just a wee leg-up is given; so don't be so quick to dismiss all charities as 'futile' like Bobbo's, unless you just want to excuse your own greed ofc, then go right ahead. I mean, try being the change you wish to see, instead of whining loudly at other's not changing on your whims.

I won't be surprised at all. In fact it's one of the prime drivers for my view on an R.B.E. A wee leg up. I admire those who give to charity, especially those who give their time. I wish they could all be paid $1,000,000 for their troubles after 12 years, because they will have deserved it more than most. Actually the same can be said for anyone who does a shit job. Not sure why you decided to think the contrary, coz you like my twin yeh bro. You're right, I'm not trying... and again I'm not expecting other's to change on my whims.

mashman

20th November 2014, 15:32

Antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder!

Word.

Source? or go throw your anti-oldrider arse off a bridge.

Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa

cannot spread again

bogan

20th November 2014, 15:36

I won't be surprised at all. In fact it's one of the prime drivers for my view on an R.B.E. A wee leg up. I admire those who give to charity, especially those who give their time. I wish they could all be paid $1,000,000 for their troubles after 12 years, because they will have deserved it more than most. Actually the same can be said for anyone who does a shit job. Not sure why you decided to think the contrary, coz you like my twin yeh bro.

So why not give a wee leg up without an RBE?

Bit hard to give time to a charity half a world away, then again time is money and some of us give that instead. The trick is, as with giving time, to ensure it is given wisely. Like trade-aid, or teaching programs...

You're right, I'm not trying...

Clearly, on both counts :laugh:

mashman

20th November 2014, 15:46

So why not give a wee leg up without an RBE?

Bit hard to give time to a charity half a world away, then again time is money and some of us give that instead. The trick is, as with giving time, to ensure it is given wisely. Like trade-aid, or teaching programs...

Because I prefer a solution over a band aid ;).

It is, yet plenty of volunteers do it (fuckin awesome).

They shouldn't need to rely on aid at all (remember self-determination wee leg up). They should have access to every piece of knowledge and resource that we have to offer and that they wish to make use of completely free of charge. They need it, why don't they have it.

Clearly, on both counts :laugh:

I'm doing.

bogan

20th November 2014, 15:56

Because I prefer a solution over a band aid ;).

It is, yet plenty of volunteers do it (fuckin awesome).

They shouldn't need to rely on aid at all (remember self-determination wee leg up). They should have access to every piece of knowledge and resource that we have to offer and that they wish to make use of completely free of charge. They need it, why don't they have it.

Pretty selfish thing to hold back help just cos things aren't done how you'd like them to be.

And of course I respect them for it, but it is not a viable option for all of us. Do you give time?

They shouldn't, just like our beneficiaries shouldn't either (same self determination and leg-up theory applies), yet the world is not perfect, and they do require aid to get that leg up. Resources cost, well, resources, a finite thing; you want them to have that free of charge then start giving to charity cos they make that a reality far far more than your whinging on here in pursuit of your self serving goals.

mashman

20th November 2014, 16:19

Pretty selfish thing to hold back help just cos things aren't done how you'd like them to be.

And of course I respect them for it, but it is not a viable option for all of us. Do you give time?

They shouldn't, just like our beneficiaries shouldn't either (same self determination and leg-up theory applies), yet the world is not perfect, and they do require aid to get that leg up. Resources cost, well, resources, a finite thing; you want them to have that free of charge then start giving to charity cos they make that a reality far far more than your whinging on here in pursuit of your self serving goals.

I understand why you might say that, and yes, I do realise how selfish that decision is as well as the potential ramifications that accompany my decision.

It's not, it could be, it could also be something entirely different. I have and it made a lasting impression.

:yawn: bzzzzzz, try again.

bogan

20th November 2014, 16:23

I understand why you might say that, and yes, I do realise how selfish that decision is as well as the potential ramifications that accompany my decision.

It's not, it could be, it could also be something entirely different. I have and it made a lasting impression.

:yawn: bzzzzzz, try again.

Be the change mashy, don't just make excuses.

mashman

20th November 2014, 16:23

Be the change mashy, don't just make excuses.

I am. I'm not.

bogan

20th November 2014, 16:38

I am. I'm not.

Nah, you promote giving things for free, yet do fuck all yourself. No doubt there is an excuse or some semantics you can use as a cop out again, but this bottom line remains. Be the change mashy, don't just whinge about it.

mashman

20th November 2014, 17:04

Nah, you promote giving things for free, yet do fuck all yourself. No doubt there is an excuse or some semantics you can use as a cop out again, but this bottom line remains. Be the change mashy, don't just whinge about it.

Telling me what I promote (there is no giving)? I do what I do. Nah, that's your bottom line for me bro, not my bottom line. Toldya already, I am being the change. But by all means carry on telling me what I should be thinking, or should be doing, or should be feeling etc... coz I lubz de lulz of ironing.

bogan

20th November 2014, 17:09

Telling me what I promote (there is no giving). I do what I do. Nah, that's your bottom line for me bro, not my bottom line. Toldya already, I am being the change. But by all means carry on telling me what I should be thinking, or should be doing, or should be feeling etc... coz I lubz de lulz of ironing.

The idea of an RBE is all materials, all labor, all knowledge is given (or are you semantically arguing it is taken instead?); by the earth, the current 'owners', the people as individuals; to the people as a collective to use free of charge. The only change you're being is 'Stupid World, whiners R us division'; have you created or given something yet? Just pointing out the irony in your own 'tellings' and 'doings' (or lack thereof).

mashman

20th November 2014, 17:27

The idea of an RBE is all materials, all labor, all knowledge is given (or are you semantically arguing it is taken instead?); by the earth, the current 'owners', the people as individuals; to the people as a collective to use free of charge. The only change you're being is 'Stupid World, whiners R us division'; have you created or given something yet? Just pointing out the irony in your own 'tellings' and 'doings' (or lack thereof).

I understand what an R.B.E. is. Don't worry your pretty little head about the levels of irony you choose to point out. I am aware of it. It's not up to me to give, merely highlight for consideration... as other posters do. lol, stop worrying about the levels of how my "something" is coming along. I'm truly touched that you care so much. I have created what I have created. I have "given" what I have "given". I don't keep score.

oldrider

20th November 2014, 17:30

Get rekd shitty.

Nah not shitty, had a grandchild's needs to take care of!

I think you just use all that stuff to try and apply your own personal brand of censorship!

I think it's a form of naivety but so many men so many opinions I guess.

My wife mistakenly believes I am wrong sometimes, it doesn't mean I won't continue to love her any more! :shutup:

bogan

20th November 2014, 17:34

I understand what an R.B.E. is. Don't worry your pretty little head about the levels of irony you choose to point out. I am aware of it. It's not up to me to give, merely highlight for consideration... as other posters do. lol, stop worrying about the levels of how my "something" is coming along. I'm truly touched that you care so much. I have created what I have created. I have "given" what I have "given". I don't keep score.

An R.B.E requires some to give, primarily it requires those who wish to start the creation of one to give. Since you do not give or create, you can't be considered to be the change you wish to see; because if everyone simply highlighted said change (as you do) to everyone else, nothing would change; it is those who give and create that become they change the wish to see, like me :sunny:

bogan

20th November 2014, 17:37

Nah not shitty, had a grandchild's needs to take care of!

I think you just use all that stuff to try and apply your own personal brand of censorship!

I think it's a form of naivety but so many men so many opinions I guess.

My wife mistakenly believes I am wrong sometimes, it doesn't mean I won't continue to love her any more! :shutup:

It is censorship, but not my own personal brand, and any rational person would agree that hate speech against a race or culture should be censored.

mashman

20th November 2014, 17:59

An R.B.E requires some to give, primarily it requires those who wish to start the creation of one to give. Since you do not give or create, you can't be considered to be the change you wish to see; because if everyone simply highlighted said change (as you do) to everyone else, nothing would change; it is those who give and create that become they change the wish to see, like me :sunny:

I know what an R.B.E. is. That's why I realise that "giving" will eventually be ripped out of any dictionary that ever existed. Everyone should have access to that which they need. If there is a need, then fill it, do not ask questions or squabble over funding (coz there'll be none), just get the job done because someone needs it. It's called a functioning society. "Giving" and "Taking" will be an attitude of a dead age. An R.B.E. is much more than a system of mutual cooperation innit. :killingme@me not being the change you wish me to be.

mashman

20th November 2014, 18:01

My wife mistakenly believes I am wrong sometimes, it doesn't mean I won't continue to love her any more! :shutup:

I've got one of those. I reckon there was a faulty batch of woman somewhere along the lines :laugh: I have a T-shirts or two to prove it.

bogan

20th November 2014, 18:09

I know what an R.B.E. is. That's why I realise that "giving" will eventually be ripped out of any dictionary that ever existed. Everyone should have access to that which they need. If there is a need, then fill it, do not ask questions or squabble over funding (coz there'll be none), just get the job done because someone needs it. It's called a functioning society. "Giving" and "Taking" will be an attitude of a dead age. An R.B.E. is much more than a system of mutual cooperation innit. :killingme@me not being the change you wish me to be.

Oh look, more semantics. Giving is what it needs to start; be that change mashy. It's not you not being the change I wish you to be, I'm the change I wish to see, so why would I need to wish you to it? :scratch: My point is you are only capably of whinging about the change you wish to see, instead of being it; give us examples of things you have done which consist of more than just trading ideas with your fellow 0.01% :laugh:

mashman

20th November 2014, 18:35

Oh look, more semantics. Giving is what it needs to start; be that change mashy. It's not you not being the change I wish you to be, I'm the change I wish to see, so why would I need to wish you to it? :scratch: My point is you are only capably of whinging about the change you wish to see, instead of being it; give us examples of things you have done which consist of more than just trading ideas with your fellow 0.01% :laugh:

You don't understand. :killingme

bogan

20th November 2014, 18:40

You don't understand. :killingme

Classic mashy rebuttal.

Another shitty rekt.

http://i.imgur.com/yAyYZtH.gif

Next :yawn:

Scuba_Steve

20th November 2014, 19:35

It is censorship, but not my own personal brand, and any rational person would agree that hate speech against a race or culture should be censored.

No, as a rational person I know what is considered "hate speech" is subjective so censorship is a VERY slippery slope, just like how currently there are people who think the word 'jew' or 'holocaust' are "hate speech" regardless of context

bogan

20th November 2014, 19:40

No, as a rational person I know what is considered "hate speech" is subjective so censorship is a VERY slippery slope, just like how currently there are people who think the word 'jew' or 'holocaust' are "hate speech" regardless of context

Hence why I asked for the source of his numbers. Making misleading statements about a race/culture in a derogatory fashion is hate speech; ie, speech designed to engender hate.

Brian d marge

20th November 2014, 20:57

I hate work

oldrider

21st November 2014, 08:26

It is censorship, but not my own personal brand, and any rational person would agree that hate speech against a race or culture should be censored.

Ponder this: I am 75 years old, I have existed longer than Israel. ... I was eight years old when the state of Israel was declared.

Prior to the State of Israel being declared (Jewish homeland) Jews were scattered to the four corners of the earth in almost every country.

The 3% of world population was my own estimate plucked from the air, if you dispute it, how many do you make it and what is your source?

What actually is the definition of "Jew" how do you or they know who or what they are?

Our Prime minister declares that he is a Jew, what does that mean?

As soon as anyone mentions the name or word Jew the anti semetic leaps into action and begins to cast judgement on what is being said or insinuated.

I am not at home for the next few days and do not have access to internet except for this old computer that times out every few minutes.

My claim of 3% population for approx 90% involvement in world affairs is roughly what I imagine is the same in USA now and was in Germany pre WW2.

That is what made it so easy for Hitler to stir up his ant-semetism against the Jews .... Germans wanted to take control of their country back!

That too is only my own interpretation of events .... it is an interesting and compelling subject but try to understand does not make one a biggot.

Your accusations are (INMO) only your own reaction to something that you have been brainwashed into believing rather than thinking about it.

Too much to discuss on this computer.

bogan

21st November 2014, 09:54

My claim of 3% population for approx 90% involvement in world affairs is roughly what I imagine is the same in USA now and was in Germany pre WW2.

Ponder this, your numbers have no factual basis, and you're still an antisemitic cunt.

I have no numbers of my own because I am not concerned with using race/culture to take the measure of a man like you bigoted fuckwits do.

mashman

21st November 2014, 10:38

"Israel will cooperate with a UN investigation into Israeli attacks on UN facilities during last summer’s Gaza war and the use of UN sites by Palestinian militants to store weapons, Reuters said. Last week, Israel announced it would not cooperate with a separate UN Human Rights Council investigation into alleged war crimes committed during the July-August conflict. Israel then said its findings were predetermined and accused its chairman, Canadian academic William Schabas, of anti-Israeli bias."

Fuckin scumbags. Pathetic when "race" is used as an excuse to justify murder... and then label any accuser by calling them "anti-whatevergetoutofjailfreecard" in order to deflect away from the murders they've committed.

oldrider

21st November 2014, 10:41

Ponder this, your numbers have no factual basis, and you're still an antisemitic cunt.

I have no numbers of my own because I am not concerned with using race/culture to take the measure of a man like you bigoted fuckwits do.

8 9 10 OUT! . :kick: (you got nothin)

mashman

21st November 2014, 10:43

Dutch government refuses to reveal ‘secret deal’ into MH17 crash probe (http://www.rt.com/news/207243-netherlands-mh17-investigation-documents/)... more scumbags hiding their mates crimes.

30 states pledge $9.3bn for Green Climate Fund: "Thirty nations meeting in Berlin on Thursday pledged $9.3 billion for a fund to help developing countries cut emissions, AFP quoted German Environment Minister Gerd Mueller as saying. The South Korea-based Green Climate Fund aims to help nations invest in clean energy and green technology. Its other goals are to build up defenses against rising seas and worsening storms, floods and droughts."... bullshit lying faggots given that free solar energy is to be taxed.

Israel sends demolition notices to families of Palestinian synagogue attackers (http://www.rt.com/news/line/2014-11-20/#75175)... just underlines how nasty these scumbags are.

mashman

21st November 2014, 10:43

8 9 10 OUT! . :kick: (you got nothin)

http://www.inarascott.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/w.png

bogan

21st November 2014, 10:45

8 9 10 OUT! . :kick: (you got nothin)

Better to have nothing than huge helpings of bigotry.

You can go on my ignore list I think.

blue rider

21st November 2014, 16:45

we had our cigarettes and drinks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRBAZJ4lF0U

mashman

21st November 2014, 17:32

we had our cigarettes and drinks

cannot give to you again... Great Ad.

Brian d marge

21st November 2014, 19:46

Hater always gonna hate ....

ya still cant beat the boys ...

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and o you know , therey are all saying the same thing !!! ....Im a hatin , cos im being screwed by ..( insert name of grooup) .ACTUALLY ,,its them greedy baskets at the top......Iz a hatin

Stephen

jonbuoy

21st November 2014, 20:07

Ponder this: I am 75 years old, I have existed longer than Israel. ... I was eight years old when the state of Israel was declared.

Prior to the State of Israel being declared (Jewish homeland) Jews were scattered to the four corners of the earth in almost every country.

The 3% of world population was my own estimate plucked from the air, if you dispute it, how many do you make it and what is your source?

What actually is the definition of "Jew" how do you or they know who or what they are?

Our Prime minister declares that he is a Jew, what does that mean?

As soon as anyone mentions the name or word Jew the anti semetic leaps into action and begins to cast judgement on what is being said or insinuated.

I am not at home for the next few days and do not have access to internet except for this old computer that times out every few minutes.

My claim of 3% population for approx 90% involvement in world affairs is roughly what I imagine is the same in USA now and was in Germany pre WW2.

That is what made it so easy for Hitler to stir up his ant-semetism against the Jews .... Germans wanted to take control of their country back!

That too is only my own interpretation of events .... it is an interesting and compelling subject but try to understand does not make one a biggot.

Your accusations are (INMO) only your own reaction to something that you have been brainwashed into believing rather than thinking about it.

Too much to discuss on this computer.

Have you even met a Jewish person? "Their Country" I guess you wouldn't mind if the Maori started rounding up the Honkies and started gassing them - it's their country after all. This is why they should never find a cure for aging. We need people to see life through fresh young unprejudiced eyes.

mashman

21st November 2014, 21:13

Man's greed will destroy world, Pope warns (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25572469/doomsday-pope-warns-mans-greed-will-destroy-world/). Close, but it'll be man's ignorance.

Nearly 1,000 killed during Ukraine ceasefire, UN says (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25572196/nearly-1-000-killed-during-ukraine-ceasefire-un-says/). It's not a ceasefire then. Luckily the ratio isn't as high as Israel-Palestine was.

mashman

22nd November 2014, 07:23

Jerusalem mayor: Revoke citizenship for terrorists’ families (http://rt.com/news/207659-jerusalem-citizenship-terrorists-families/) what a fuckin mess :facepalm:

‘We will hunt you down’: KKK threatens to shoot Anonymous ‘n***** lovers’ (http://rt.com/usa/207587-kkk-anonymous-threaten-shoot/) wtf :shit:

mashman

22nd November 2014, 13:39

Ultra-coin to save the day :killingme

Scuba_Steve

23rd November 2014, 08:18

The war on drugs or the war for drugs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCQeIsPJmJk

bogan

24th November 2014, 08:11

Perspective?

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8212305408/h304B149E/

blue rider

24th November 2014, 18:12

upset englishman calls for riots :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11109845/Why-arent-the-British-middle-classes-staging-a-revolution.html?fb

Brian d marge

24th November 2014, 18:38

upset englishman calls for riots :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11109845/Why-arent-the-British-middle-classes-staging-a-revolution.html?fb
Been sayingthis all along . . .and have noticed especially this year that more and more are starting to say enough
If i was in nz i would be worried only when our resident curmudgeon starts grumbling and i suspect that will only happen when beelezebud reaches for a jacket
Till then .

bogan

24th November 2014, 18:51

upset englishman calls for riots :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11109845/Why-arent-the-British-middle-classes-staging-a-revolution.html?fb

The message is too easy to get lost, the middle and lower class are not organised enough to keep the message about anti-corruption, and if it dissolves into anti money the cause is lost as the movement will splinter.

Brian d marge

24th November 2014, 18:54

The message is too easy to get lost, the middle and lower class are not organised enough to keep the message about anti-corruption, and if it dissolves into anti money the cause is lost as the movement will splinter.
Nail on the head right there

mashman

24th November 2014, 18:58

upset englishman calls for riots :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11109845/Why-arent-the-British-middle-classes-staging-a-revolution.html?fb

They don't riot, because there's nothing to replace that which they riot against. If there was :innocent:, and people knew it, I reckon that'd be a different story. Be funny if the middle class of today remember that they were the working class of the 70's/80's.

blue rider

24th November 2014, 20:14

any primary industry still left in NZ that are not sold to china?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11363542

Akzle

24th November 2014, 20:20

any primary industry still left in NZ that are not sold to china?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11363542

cannabis cultivation. :innocent:

blue rider

24th November 2014, 21:24

cannabis cultivation. :innocent:

but are you sure it is

100% pure ?

Brian d marge

24th November 2014, 21:40

but are you sure it is

100% pure ?
not if ya bought it from the Jamacains it wont be

Stephen

Brian d marge

25th November 2014, 00:06

Gerald nuts off, I reckon he has called it ...

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Stephen

mashman

25th November 2014, 07:48

Gerald nuts off, I reckon he has called it ...

I reckon war first... because murca was built on war and therefore it is a tried and tested methodology... aaaaaaaaaand it's pretty much the same people from the same mould running the show today as it was back then.

mashman

25th November 2014, 08:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUEH5lRP2hQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GItU2S_VTw

mashman

25th November 2014, 10:36

oldrider

25th November 2014, 13:57

Suggesting Israel is doing something wrong in Gaza? ... Surely he must be a racist antisemitic bigot! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtC_qzHVM4

mashman

25th November 2014, 14:56

Reports of violence follow Ferguson verdict (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25602870/grand-jury-reaches-decision-on-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson/#). :facepalm:

mashman

25th November 2014, 14:59

Suggesting Israel is doing something wrong in Gaza? ... Surely he must be a racist antisemitic bigot! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtC_qzHVM4

What would he know.

bogan

25th November 2014, 15:28

Suggesting Israel is doing something wrong in Gaza? ... Surely he must be a racist antisemitic bigot! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtC_qzHVM4

Firstly, he says Israel, as in the nation, not the culture/religion. The nation, specifically its leaders, controls the armed forces and their occupation, of which there is ample evidence. If you really can't see the difference between a reasoned argument criticising a nation for the actions of its armed forces, critizing a religion/culture based on numbers you have made up; then you're much further gone than I thought.

Brian d marge

25th November 2014, 15:45

Japan's young fret as unexpected recession hits (http://news.yahoo.com/japans-young-fret-unexpected-recession-hits-145846969--finance.html)... money money money. Well, the resources are still there waiting to be used so it can't be anything else.
Wages havent really improved. The average its 250 to 300 000 a month plus bonuses more or less
Minimum wage is 850 per hour
But the japanese are famous savers
So they went nuts just before the last cosumption tax rise then shut their wallets
A two year old could have seen that one
And it isnt that the prices have gone up capt dumbarse abe is printing money like there is no tomorrow and the money is worth less
So anyone with savings in a bank or on a pension is getting reamed
Other noticeable things are shrinkflation . .think you are buying 350 ml beer . . Not . . . 320 mate or 270
There are still many shops and companies that think we are living in the dream time . . 90 000 for a ski jacket etc
Idiots
But as for abe . . .his plans are sound good andcuning thinking batman . . Love the inflation angle hahahha
Based on a floored concept
Can only end up in tears

Just a matter of when really

Stephen

Brian d marge

25th November 2014, 15:55

Reports of violence follow Ferguson verdict (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25602870/grand-jury-reaches-decision-on-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson/#). :facepalm:
Now that is a suprise . Never saw that one coming
Now if he had shot a 12 yr old

No wait

Now if he had shot someone who hasnt been born yet ha ha. . . Then he would have been in trouble

Or from a wealthy white family

Stephen

mashman

25th November 2014, 17:11

Wages havent really improved. The average its 250 to 300 000 a month plus bonuses more or less
Minimum wage is 850 per hour
But the japanese are famous savers
So they went nuts just before the last cosumption tax rise then shut their wallets
A two year old could have seen that one
And it isnt that the prices have gone up capt dumbarse abe is printing money like there is no tomorrow and the money is worth less
So anyone with savings in a bank or on a pension is getting reamed
Other noticeable things are shrinkflation . .think you are buying 350 ml beer . . Not . . . 320 mate or 270
There are still many shops and companies that think we are living in the dream time . . 90 000 for a ski jacket etc
Idiots
But as for abe . . .his plans are sound good andcuning thinking batman . . Love the inflation angle hahahha
Based on a floored concept
Can only end up in tears

Just a matter of when really

Stephen

Guess peeps need paid in order to cooperate lol.

mashman

25th November 2014, 17:13

Now that is a suprise . Never saw that one coming
Now if he had shot a 12 yr old

No wait

Now if he had shot someone who hasnt been born yet ha ha. . . Then he would have been in trouble

Or from a wealthy white family

Stephen

Wonder how profitable a war at home would really be? New infrastructure perhaps, the need for more security, tighter laws to govern protestors and protests then leave the area to die and sell it on at a profit 15/20 years down the track or sommink.

Brian d marge

25th November 2014, 19:50

Wonder how profitable a war at home would really be? New infrastructure perhaps, the need for more security, tighter laws to govern protestors and protests then leave the area to die and sell it on at a profit 15/20 years down the track or sommink.
Cant be that profitable
Unless ur using tomahawks at 1.41 million a pop

mashman

25th November 2014, 20:02

Netanyahu warns of 'grave mistake' if France recognises Palestine (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25591239/netanyahu-warns-of-grave-mistake-if-france-recognises-palestine/)

mashman

25th November 2014, 20:03

Cant be that profitable
Unless ur using tomahawks at 1.41 million a pop

They're probably rented ;)

blue rider

25th November 2014, 20:08

interesting times

http://rt.com/usa/208531-ferguson-acquittal-protest-usa/

Brian d marge

25th November 2014, 20:18

Wonder what they will do when people start shooting back

blue rider

25th November 2014, 20:41

Wonder what they will do when people start shooting back

don't.

a police state is a police state, we have enough examples.

Brian d marge

25th November 2014, 21:11

don't.

a police state is a police state, we have enough examples.
What
We cant go pig hunting

Bugger . Just have wait for saturday night

oldrider

25th November 2014, 21:57

Netanyahu warns of 'grave mistake' if France recognises Palestine (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25591239/netanyahu-warns-of-grave-mistake-if-france-recognises-palestine/)

Israel should never have been allowed to happened but since it has it should be recognised and allowed to flourish!

The Israeli government should allow the Palestinians the same right but they will not and that is my initial problem with Israel.

The land for the State of Israel was stolen off the Palestinians and given to the Jews by the United Nations resolution 181.

The USA is over influenced by the extreme lobbying power of AIPAC and will always stand by and vote with Israel against a Palestinian state!

Israeli interpretation of 181: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-181.pdf

Arab interpretation of 181: http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_arab_countries.php

There can never be peace between Israel and the Palestinians until they accept each other as equals and get on with life ... won't happen! :no:

Unfortunately they will drag the rest of the world into oblivion with them! :facepalm:

Brian d marge

26th November 2014, 01:38

don't.

a police state is a police state, we have enough examples.
Seems like someone has gone a popo huntin

mashman

26th November 2014, 09:03

Israel should never have been allowed to happened but since it has it should be recognised and allowed to flourish!

The Israeli government should allow the Palestinians the same right but they will not and that is my initial problem with Israel.

The land for the State of Israel was stolen off the Palestinians and given to the Jews by the United Nations resolution 181.

The USA is over influenced by the extreme lobbying power of AIPAC and will always stand by and vote with Israel against a Palestinian state!

Israeli interpretation of 181: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-181.pdf

Arab interpretation of 181: http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_arab_countries.php

There can never be peace between Israel and the Palestinians until they accept each other as equals and get on with life ... won't happen! :no:

Unfortunately they will drag the rest of the world into oblivion with them! :facepalm:

They're all the same. They've been born with an identity of nation and have decided to enforce it upon those they represent. Hell they even war on our behalf... which is nice.

oldrider

26th November 2014, 10:28

Talk about a "Stupid world"! :http://drsircus.com/world-news/holy-war#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=545893d62e-Article_224&utm_medium

Russia and Japan seem to have it sorted better than the stupid USA (and us of course). :shifty:

oldrider

26th November 2014, 12:56

They're all the same. They've been born with an identity of nation and have decided to enforce it upon those they represent. Hell they even war on our behalf... which is nice.

American/Israel unquestioned attachment and support is probably the biggest catalyst in the growing hatred of America (and the West) by Islamic nations!

That undying association is propagated by AIPAC : http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-israeli-lobby-works-in-the-united-states/5313557

Until AIPAC releases it's stranglehold on America, American influence in the world is destined to continue to deteriorate forever .... Armageddon anyone? :wait:

mashman

26th November 2014, 13:00

American/Israel unquestioned attachment and support is probably the biggest catalyst in the growing hatred of America (and the West) by Islamic nations!

That undying association is propagated by AIPAC : http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-israeli-lobby-works-in-the-united-states/5313557

Until AIPAC releases it's stranglehold on America, American influence in the world is destined to continue to deteriorate forever .... Armageddon anyone? :wait:

The peeps will save murca... just a case of when and how.

oldrider

26th November 2014, 22:04

The peeps will save murca... just a case of when and how.

By the time they wake up it might be way too late! (for all of us!) :bash:

mashman

27th November 2014, 06:57

By the time they wake up it might be way too late! (for all of us!) :bash:

lol, that thought has crossed my mind. If only it were just the u.s. that needed to pop their head above the horizon in order to become aware of what is happening. Meh, best leave them fuckers sleeping and wake those one can :yes:.

mashman

27th November 2014, 06:58

Greens want donation rule change (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25625095/greens-want-donation-rule-change/)... remove the limit entirely and display the details of every donation. Problem solved. Useless politicians.

bogan

27th November 2014, 07:52

Oh, shit....

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/okhmrjBuYnc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

oldrider

27th November 2014, 09:07

Oh, shit....

:corn: Not too long bit of a giggle. :yes:

blue rider

27th November 2014, 11:50

an interview with an old geezer

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/24/harry-leslie-smith-nhs-great-depression-ed-miliband-advice?CMP=fb_gu

Banditbandit

27th November 2014, 12:02

The peeps will save murca... just a case of when and how.

By the time they wake up it might be way too late! (for all of us!) :bash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7JEtGmRPlU

blue rider

27th November 2014, 12:05

water, who needs it.

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2014/11/california-droughtleaveseastportervillewithoutwater.html

oldrider

27th November 2014, 12:55

water, who needs it.

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2014/11/california-droughtleaveseastportervillewithoutwater.html

Perhaps USA needs to spend it's tax money on it's "own people's needs" rather than on Israel and questionable wars all over the globe!

Unbelievable?: http://www.wrmea.org/congress-u.s.-aid-to-israel/u.s.-financial-aid-to-israel-figures-facts-and-impact.html

puddytat

27th November 2014, 20:28

No one will guide you......

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mashman

28th November 2014, 07:16

Pensioners storm banks, sue president as economic blockade enforced on E.Ukraine (http://www.rt.com/news/209283-banks-cash-east-ukraine/) ... of all the cunt moves available to pull :facepalm:

oldrider

28th November 2014, 08:16

Meanwhile here is an interesting interview with Putin. :http://www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-president-vladimir-putin-the-crisis-in-east-ukraine-the-sanctions-regime-russian-german-relations/5416638

blue rider

28th November 2014, 08:34

its spring time in OZ

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-27/severe-storm-batters-south-east-queensland/5923302

blue rider

28th November 2014, 15:45

http://images.dailykos.com/images/117673/lightbox/Kos-justice.jpg?1417028686

from here

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Comics/

blue rider

28th November 2014, 19:15

this

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/28/opinion/civil-liberties-in-peril-down-under.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Brian d marge

28th November 2014, 20:33

this

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/28/opinion/civil-liberties-in-peril-down-under.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

not saying nuttin ....

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/iEz5fQ_Pm-g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

hahahahahahaaa

Stephen

Brian d marge

30th November 2014, 01:44

bugga cant use me samick

might have to resort to non compliance

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/6Q6ikiisRtc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Stephen

Sophe , ...great jugs

Akzle

30th November 2014, 08:06

harrr.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11257215/Parliament-is-not-a-pub-MPs-and-judges-in-Australia-to-face-random-alcohol-breath-tests.html

blue rider

30th November 2014, 19:58

http://vimeo.com/112681885

stupid world indeed

oldrider

30th November 2014, 21:50

stupid world indeed

Indeed but that was CCCP is to days Russian Federation and Putin really tarred with the same old brush or is Putin the real deal for the Russians? :confused:

If only we could trust our media to deliver the truth for a change! :oi-grr:

Brian d marge

1st December 2014, 00:29

hmmmm

Now who in wellington would fit the bill......* fast forward to 35 if you need the quick and dirty

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Stephen

Brian d marge

1st December 2014, 04:07

waaaaheeeey

gotta get trained .....

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf

the silent war !

Stephen

mashman

1st December 2014, 10:36

waaaaheeeey

gotta get trained .....

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf

the silent war !

Stephen

Nah, you gotta get money... and even then you won't be able to play in the sandpit. I've gone through several hypocrisy and irony meters reading that and :rofl:@the outcome that has filtered through and is consistently displayed on KB by the entitlement complex brigade and other assorted weak minded folk. Fuckin idiots.

Like I've said, remove their toys and we'll advance at a seriously rapid rate.

bogan

1st December 2014, 10:42

waaaaheeeey

gotta get trained .....

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf

the silent war !

Stephen

Good bias test that...

Banditbandit

1st December 2014, 13:57

hmmmm

Now who in wellington would fit the bill......* fast forward to 35 if you need the quick and dirty

Katherine Knight video

Stephen

She was one fucked up lady - crazier than any psycho that Criminal Minds has ever come up with ..

unstuck

1st December 2014, 14:22

If only we could trust our media to deliver the truth for a change! :oi-grr:

:lol::lol::lol::lol: That line should be in the jokes and humor thread.:killingme:killingme

mashman

1st December 2014, 14:57

hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wrong thread.

Brian d marge

2nd December 2014, 00:38

what we need is a . . . well listen for youeself

gold

http://dannews.co.nz/2014/11/06/audio-this-will-be-the-best-thing-you-hear-all-week-talkback/?fb_action_ids=10152827790912110&fb_action_types=og.comments&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B619528858173218%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.comments%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
stephen

oldrider

2nd December 2014, 06:19

That cat should get danger money living at her place! :bash:

mashman

2nd December 2014, 09:09

Action urged to tackle child poverty (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25659478/one-in-four-kids-grow-up-in-poverty-study/)

"Children's Commissioner Russell Wills said the results from the latest Child Poverty Monitor were encouraging and urged for more to be done to free three in five children from a life of entrenched disadvantage."... What's wrong with freeing 5 out of 5? If yer gonna aim low, WTF do you expect the outcome is going to be.

yokel

2nd December 2014, 12:11

mashman

2nd December 2014, 12:27

What a load of Fuckin shit!
It's child neglect not poverty.
Feed your own dam kids not the pokies.

It is child neglect... but given that the parents have failed in their duty, who's going to look after the kids?

bogan

2nd December 2014, 12:58

mashman

2nd December 2014, 13:20

The other 2 might be gingas, or poms... better to just old yeller that shit.

Likely ginga poms then. It's much easier to deal with when it's stuck under the carpet.

avgas

2nd December 2014, 13:46

It is child neglect... but given that the parents have failed in their duty, who's going to look after the kids?
I thought there was an app for that?

mashman

2nd December 2014, 15:04

I thought there was an app for that?

Not getting confused with kidnap?

yokel

2nd December 2014, 15:23

It is child neglect... but given that the parents have failed in their duty, who's going to look after the kids?

A start would be calling it what it actually is!
As long as theses people rely government help they will always be at a disadvantage.

Poor people make poor choices.

And I'm sure a small handful of people are going to make a fuck load of money out of this child poverty nonsense

Brian d marge

2nd December 2014, 15:32

What a load of Fuckin shit!
It's child neglect not poverty.
Feed your own dam kids not the pokies.
if ya think it normal . .its normal

some people think they will only be in the shop for a few min and young rastus will be ok in the car . . ,

uneducated will always make poor choices

stephen

mashman

2nd December 2014, 16:50

A start would be calling it what it actually is!
As long as theses people rely government help they will always be at a disadvantage.

Poor people make poor choices.

And I'm sure a small handful of people are going to make a fuck load of money out of this child poverty nonsense

Very true.
Bullshit.

Everyone does.

More than likely.

uneducated will always make poor choices

:killingme according to what's normal, right?

mashman

2nd December 2014, 18:04

TTIP under pressure... wonder if the same will happen to the TPPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh0InepmCwQ&feature=youtu.be

oldrider

2nd December 2014, 18:50

TTIP under pressure... wonder if the same will happen to the TPPA

Vive la difference (not) so bland one set of rules fits all! ... may as well have one government! ... NWO in the making? ... Now why didn't we think of that???? :whistle:

Brian d marge

2nd December 2014, 19:45

Very true.
Bullshit.

Everyone does.

More than likely.

:killingme according to what's normal, right?
guess what i concider myself normal

there . . . . may . . . . .be some evidence to the contrary but ill use the shonkey technique on that one

stephen

Brian d marge

2nd December 2014, 20:12

what did i say about the drop in consumer spending

wheres the lifeboats . . .

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-30283768

stephen

mashman

2nd December 2014, 20:15

Vive la difference (not) so bland one set of rules fits all! ... may as well have one government! ... NWO in the making? ... Now why didn't we think of that???? :whistle:

So if it's not going to happen, what really is going on behind those closed doors? Perhaps they're updating the Silent War handbook.

guess what i concider myself normal

there . . . . may . . . . .be some evidence to the contrary but ill use the shonkey technique on that one

stephen

If that's the case then we're all fooked :shifty:

Brian d marge

2nd December 2014, 20:19

So

If that's the case then we're all fooked :shifty:

i did say maybe there was some evidence

but dont worry it trickles down

mashman

2nd December 2014, 20:51

what did i say about the drop in consumer spending

wheres the lifeboats . . .

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-30283768

stephen

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa

"A strengthening economy that changes consumers' reliance on deep discounts, a highly competitive environment, early promotions and the ability to shop 24/7 online all contributed to the shift witnessed this weekend," said NRF president and chief executive Matthew Shay in a statement."

It has nothing to do with people not having any money or indeed not wanting to waste what they have on shite. That'd be contrary to the reports that state otherwise.

i did say maybe there was some evidence

but dont worry it trickles down

lol... thank fuck you ain't normal as I remember it to be a rather nasty state to be in.

We know it trickles down the back of yer throat. Here's hoping what's trickling down doesn't get any saltier.

Brian d marge

2nd December 2014, 21:01

na not so bad cheap white wine . . . have to go back to work in 30 min at the Central London Hatchery and Conditioning Centre.

and we dont want any fked up gammas now do we

mashman

2nd December 2014, 21:33

na not so bad cheap white wine . . . have to go back to work in 30 min at the Central London Hatchery and Conditioning Centre.

and we dont want any fked up gammas now do we

Cheap is always good. Cool. I'm winning the lottery tomorrow.

Free will's a dangerous thing. (might read that, chur).

mashman

2nd December 2014, 22:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPTEGISNIII

:killingme... no, really, there's lots cheating going on... say it ain't so.

yokel

2nd December 2014, 22:31

if ya think it normal . .its normal

some people think they will only be in the shop for a few min and young rastus will be ok in the car . . ,

uneducated will always make poor choices

stephen

the best education I ever got didnt come from any dumb arse brain washing skool

oldrider

3rd December 2014, 08:09

the best education I ever got didnt come from any dumb arse brain washing skool

That's called the "school of hard knocks" ... highest school roll in the world and the longest list of "high achievers"! :niceone:

Unfortunately it probably has the longest fail list as well. :doh:

blue rider

3rd December 2014, 09:01

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_63.pdf

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OHkigo0EGxE/VHysvPkO8cI/AAAAAAAAWAI/wSGopLCozPs/s1600/dod-belligerent.jpg

Unprivileged enemy belligerents are belligerents who do not qualify for the
distinct privileges of combatant status (e.g., combatant immunity). Examples of
unprivileged belligerents are:

(a) Individuals who have forfeited the protections of civilian status by joining
or substantially supporting an enemy non-state armed group in the conduct of hostilities, and

(b) Combatants who have forfeited the privileges of combatant status by
engaging in spying, sabotage, or other similar acts behind enemy lines.

“A purely military emergency could give no excuse for disregarding International
Law. Because victory is endangered, victory must not be pursued by breaking the
law on the grounds of necessity, because the laws of warfare are supposed to rule
over this conflict which is always connected with need and want.”
Trial of German War Criminals, Nuremberg, 1946

oldrider

3rd December 2014, 09:15

"Rules of war" ... FFS! ... That has to be the stupidest statement ever uttered. :scratch: Just do away with war now that we know better! :rolleyes:

mashman

3rd December 2014, 18:08

We brand Russell Brand a hypocrite (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6146320/russell-brand-rent-tax-dodger-landlord-the-sun-exclusive-investigation.html).

Amusing. What was he doing there? Oh yeah, he was helping to hand in a petition from 300,000 people that are protesting being kicked out of their houses so that an American company can build nicer houses and up the rents.

Playing the man... scared old white muthafuckas desperately clinging on to their influence over the public :bye:

bogan

3rd December 2014, 18:17

Ocean1

3rd December 2014, 18:24

Amusing. What was he doing there? Oh yeah, he was helping to hand in a petition from 300,000 people that are protesting being kicked out of their houses so that an American company can build nicer houses and up the rents.

Having not even bothered watching the clip I'm pretty sure the protesters in question didn't own "their" houses, right?

In which case they should up their game or stfu.

Same as that fuckwit brand.

mashman

3rd December 2014, 18:39

Having not even bothered watching the clip I'm pretty sure the protesters in question didn't own "their" houses, right?

In which case they should up their game or stfu.

Same as that fuckwit brand.

There was no clip. T'was merely a Brand bash of less than 2 lines. :killingme... I'd say they have every right in the world to the house given that some have lived in them for over 20 years, and by default own it. Some of 'em were done up right nice too.

They are upping their game, and had the support of the New York City mayor who had also had a run in with the same company.

Coz he stands alone? :yawn:

You sound scared? Are you white?

bogan

3rd December 2014, 19:04

There was no clip. T'was merely a Brand bash of less than 2 lines. :killingme... I'd say they have every right in the world to the house given that some have lived in them for over 20 years, and by default own it. Some of 'em were done up right nice too.

They are upping their game, and had the support of the New York City mayor who had also had a run in with the same company.

Coz he stands alone? :yawn:

You sound scared? Are you white?

It was actually a teaser to a Sun exclusive article about RB's tax dodging ways; nothing was mentioned in reference to the housing evictions. I mean being rich and advocating socialism without doing much charity is one thing, but being rich as well as avoiding paying social taxes and advocating socialism is an entire level of arseholery above.

mashman

3rd December 2014, 19:11

It was actually a teaser to a Sun exclusive article about RB's tax dodging ways; nothing was mentioned in reference to the housing evictions. I mean being rich and advocating socialism without doing much charity is one thing, but being rich as well as avoiding paying social taxes and advocating socialism is an entire level of arseholery above.

Tis the landlord they're calling a tax-avoider innit. Having said that, he may well have had a good accountant once upon a many moons ago... but that was many moons ago.

jonbuoy

3rd December 2014, 19:48

It was actually a teaser to a Sun exclusive article about RB's tax dodging ways; nothing was mentioned in reference to the housing evictions. I mean being rich and advocating socialism without doing much charity is one thing, but being rich as well as avoiding paying social taxes and advocating socialism is an entire level of arseholery above.

Champagne socialist. Somehow I don't think the pay disparity between himself and the cleaner on set keeps him awake at night.

Ocean1

3rd December 2014, 19:49

I'd say they have every right in the world to the house given that some have lived in them for over 20 years, and by default own it.

That's 'cause you're an idiot. Any loser can live in someone else's house, owning one requires you to pay for it in roughly 100% of the world.

mashman

3rd December 2014, 19:59

That's 'cause you're an idiot. Any loser can live in someone else's house, owning one requires you to pay for it in roughly 100% of the world.

You're white, arenchoo. You merely owe no money against the property you've just rented or paid off... but you don't never own it. They're all unemployed huh? Oh dear. In your world I would have thought that some of them should have more of a right to the property than others? Coz they're not all unemployed.

Ocean1

3rd December 2014, 20:18

You're white, arenchoo.

Culturally Kiwi, Racially mixed, same as every other fucker.

You merely owe no money against the property you've just rented or paid off... but you don't never own it.

Wrong.

They're all unemployed huh? Oh dear. In your world I would have thought that some of them should have more of a right to the property than others? Coz they're not all unemployed.

I don't give a fuck whether they're employed or not, the only way you have the right to any property is by purchasing it.

Brian d marge

3rd December 2014, 20:23

Having not even bothered watching the clip I'm pretty sure the protesters in question didn't own "their" houses, right?

In which case they should up their game or stfu.

Same as that fuckwit brand.
have you even been to london

what you are saying is that everyone in east london should have a disposable income of around 100k

but then its the persons fault . . individual responsibility and all that

bogan

3rd December 2014, 20:23

Tis the landlord they're calling a tax-avoider innit. Having said that, he may well have had a good accountant once upon a many moons ago... but that was many moons ago.

Yeh and I'm sure brand was copmpletely aware of his landlord's and accountant's trnasgressions :facepalm: Jimmy Carr did it better mate.

Champagne socialist. Somehow I don't think the pay disparity between himself and the cleaner on set keeps him awake at night.

Yeh, reckon it is more of the messiah type complex; he has a right to all of those luxuries in a socialist utopia because he is its proponent, he is the saviour. And the stupid worlders just lap it up cos he says things that they like.

Brian d marge

3rd December 2014, 20:25

He is a massive hypocrite though. If the man does not take his own message on board, how good can it be?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2483929/Russell-Brands-unsocialist-15m-business-empire.html
so someone with the means is helpng some other without

and the problem is ????

ya dont see wesbrooke or cameron standing up for the average joe

labor is running behing the band wagon as they sniff at a chance

bogan

3rd December 2014, 20:29

so someone with the means is helpng some other without

and the problem is ????

ya dont see wesbrooke or cameron standing up for the average joe

labor is running behing the band wagon as they sniff at a chance

No problem with that part of it, its the bit where he says socialism is the way to go, but continues to enjoy capitalist luxury which would be unattainable for him under a socialist system due to redistribution of his wealth; why does he not charitably redistribute his wealth now to start the ball rolling? to provide a little help those who need it? that is the hypocrisy I see.

Ocean1

3rd December 2014, 20:31

have you even been to london

what you are saying is that everyone in east london should have a disposable income of around 100k

but then its the persons fault . . individual responsibility and all that

I lived in London for several years.

And what I'm saying is that you own something when you've paid for it.

If you had the basics of English you'd have picked up on that straight away.

Brian d marge

3rd December 2014, 20:43

No problem with that part of it, its the bit where he says socialism is the way to go, but continues to enjoy capitalist luxury which would be unattainable for him under a socialist system due to redistribution of his wealth; why does he not charitably redistribute his wealth now to start the ball rolling? to provide a little help those who need it? that is the hypocrisy I see.
he does look at where the proceeds of the latest book are going to

you are going to see a lot more muck raking . ,if ya go head to head with murdock this is what happens

at the end of the day he is front and centre helping some people live in the community they are entitled to

i was born and bred 1/2 mile up the road from hoxton and a few mates live on that estate

theyfor the most part are good honest hard working people . . they fix the tube trains at night , drive cabs , work on the markets

sooo according to some its ok for an american preditory company to buy up your house . . or even the area around your own house, the one you paid for when thatcher allowed ya to buy them
The slap market rent . . and all the associated tax effectively forcing you out

and people think this is ok ???

kama will be such a byatch

stephen

mashman

3rd December 2014, 20:45

Culturally Kiwi, Racially mixed, same as every other fucker.

Wrong.

I don't give a fuck whether they're employed or not, the only way you have the right to any property is by purchasing it.

Ok, blue white then.

mashman

3rd December 2014, 20:47

Max and Stacey havin a larf and an interesting interview with Halligan about Japan. (http://www.maxkeiser.com/)

Brian d marge

3rd December 2014, 20:48

I lived in London for several years.

And what I'm saying is that you own something when you've paid for it.

If you had the basics of English you'd have picked up on that straight away.
if you had been outside off earls court for any length of time . . .you would see that statement is possible the single dumbest thing . . .man . . and i include adam in this

has ever said

the market rates for those houses are dictated by threadneedle st and the markets and only accessable to those nearest the zero interest money

but then u would know that

mashman

3rd December 2014, 20:51

Yeh and I'm sure brand was copmpletely aware of his landlord's and accountant's trnasgressions :facepalm: Jimmy Carr did it better mate.

Yeah, but only one of them is fighting for the homes of others. I reckon that should meet with a little financial leeway and common decency. Play the man.

bogan

3rd December 2014, 20:52

he does look at where the proceeds of the latest book are going to

you are going to see a lot more muck raking . ,if ya go head to head with murdock this is what happens

at the end of the day he is front and centre helping some people live in the community they are entitled to

i was born and bred 1/2 mile up the road from hoxton and a few mates live on that estate

theyfor the most part are good honest hard working people . . they fix the tube trains at night , drive cabs , work on the markets

sooo according to some its ok for an american preditory company to buy up your house . . or even the area around your own house, the one you paid for when thatcher allowed ya to buy them
The slap market rent . . and all the associated tax effectively forcing you out

and people think this is ok ???

kama will be such a byatch

stephen

Yet he still live a life of luxury only made possible by the capitalist system.

Same would happen under a socialist system, just under a different guise.

bogan

3rd December 2014, 20:54

Yeah, but only one of them is fighting for the homes of others. I reckon that should meet with a little financial leeway and common decency. Play the man.

And the other one manned up and sincerely apologised for his errors, and continues to bring joy to many. What is your point? Soapboxing absolves all sin if you can find enough plebs to agree with the cause?

mashman

3rd December 2014, 21:09

And the other one manned up and sincerely apologised for his errors, and continues to bring joy to many. What is your point? Soapboxing absolves all sin if you can find enough plebs to agree with the cause?

You brought Carr into it and inferred that him and Brand had avoiding taxes when brand hasn't been accused of such.

Perhaps he's paid his taxes like a normal joe. And as you say, even if he hasn't, all he has to do is apologise and then he can get on with the job of using his wealth to make people laugh whilst helping them directly. That and he's also stated that if he decides to sue Murdoch and succeeds, again, the money will go elsewhere.

Ocean1

3rd December 2014, 21:23

if you had been outside off earls court for any length of time . . .you would see that statement is possible the single dumbest thing . . .man . . and i include adam in this

has ever said

the market rates for those houses are dictated by threadneedle st and the markets and only accessable to those nearest the zero interest money

but then u would know that

Yeah yeah, same old shit; "It can't be fair 'cause I can't afford it".

So buy something you can afford. Or not. Nobody really cares. Just don't fucking whine interminably about how unfair it is that you can't keep up with the Smiths.

bogan

3rd December 2014, 21:27

You brought Carr into it and inferred that him and Brand had avoiding taxes when brand hasn't been accused of such.

Perhaps he's paid his taxes like a normal joe. And as you say, even if he hasn't, all he has to do is apologise and then he can get on with the job of using his wealth to make people laugh whilst helping them directly. That and he's also stated that if he decides to sue Murdoch and succeeds, again, the money will go elsewhere.

Not in a criminal sense but certainly accused of using tax loopholes to pay less; not a very socialist action imo.

Your point? That you can be a rich guy advocating socialism as long as you help others? Who better to extol the virtues of socialism than a rich capitalist eh :facepalm: your cause is fucked mate, jimmy carr is a better bet

Ocean1

3rd December 2014, 21:34

What is your point? Soapboxing absolves all sin if you can find enough plebs to agree with the cause?

Don't have to absolve anything, how many "celebrities" are really worthy of praise? All it takes is telling losers it's someone else's fault they're losers. And as there's no shortage of losers it's a sure fire circle-jerk to stardom. And not a jot of sense or even coherence required, let alone cash contributions.

Brian d marge

3rd December 2014, 21:34

Yeah yeah, same old shit; "It can't be fair 'cause I can't afford it".

So buy something you can afford. Or not. Nobody really cares. Just don't fucking whine interminably about how unfair it is that you can't keep up with the Smiths.
no u aint that stupid nice try

we aint talking a few sheckles here
the average wage

average as in most of london is on around 40 k . . the market rents in new era would mean u need to earn 100k

nice try batman u make a lousy troll

Ocean1

3rd December 2014, 21:43

no u aint that stupid nice try

we aint talking a few sheckles here
the average wage

average as in most of london is on around 40 k . . the market rents in new era would mean u need to earn 100k

nice try batman u make a lousy troll

So what? You're talking drivel, you figure you've got a right to live in the most expensive piece of real estate on the planet 'cause what? You have a job?

Fuck me I worked two minutes from London Bridge, I didn't whine because I had to live in Greenwich, NOBODY expected to be able to live in London's commercial centre, not even the genuine Cockneys I worked with.

Again: if you can't afford it it's nobody else's fault. Deal with it.

mashman

3rd December 2014, 22:13

Not in a criminal sense but certainly accused of using tax loopholes to pay less; not a very socialist action imo.

Your point? That you can be a rich guy advocating socialism as long as you help others? Who better to extol the virtues of socialism than a rich capitalist eh :facepalm: your cause is fucked mate, jimmy carr is a better bet

Is he a socialist? He sounds very much like a capitalist to me, acts very much like a capitalist, but seems to realise that things ain't going too well for the people and the planet. Not judging the guy for being a capitalist scum pig, but at least he's helping in any way he can. Be better value than Boris anyway.

:rofl:@my cause. He ain't my cause. The issues he's highlighting are and that makes him a good cunt in my book. More so than Jimmy Carr, but hey, that's my bias.

Brian d marge

3rd December 2014, 23:35

So what? You're talking drivel, you figure you've got a right to live in the most expensive piece of real estate on the planet 'cause what? You have a job?

Fuck me I worked two minutes from London Bridge, I didn't whine because I had to live in Greenwich, NOBODY expected to be able to live in London's commercial centre, not even the genuine Cockneys I worked with.

Again: if you can't afford it it's nobody else's fault. Deal with it.
nice try

if i was born and bred and my family and friend for may generations lived and died in that place then yes . . .i have a right

im a cockney born and bred within bow bells and know what its is to be from that area
the community is a special part of being from the east end
my family i can trace back to the new houses in west ham early 1800

imagine if you were forced to move from your home because some people deemed that area special eg.
the lesser spotted giant earth worm was found on your property . .choice sell up for what u could get or live with it . . .

or the highway 61 mob henchmen move in next door and your resale value drops through the floor

you would complain would you , . after all thats market forces

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/03/d76c7703f487643c9211a36986204821.jpg

mashman

4th December 2014, 09:22

Grand jury doesn’t indict NYPD officer accused in chokehold death - reports (http://rt.com/usa/211203-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-decision/) :facepalm:.

oldrider

4th December 2014, 16:23

Grand jury doesn’t indict NYPD officer accused in chokehold death - reports (http://rt.com/usa/211203-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-decision/) :facepalm:.

No wonder that they have got all these problems ... that was simply gross incompetence IMHO. :facepalm:

yokel

4th December 2014, 18:51

Bill Cosby, this is what a soft assassination by the main stream media looks like.

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it is possible in part because of this

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Brian d marge

4th December 2014, 18:56

and i see the bbc is also having a go at rb

Ocean1

4th December 2014, 18:57

nice try

if i was born and bred and my family and friend for may generations lived and died in that place then yes . . .i have a right

im a cockney born and bred within bow bells and know what its is to be from that area
the community is a special part of being from the east end
my family i can trace back to the new houses in west ham early 1800

So what sort of Cockneys were they? The sort that bought their hovels and improved 'em? their grandkids perhaps selling them for a very tidy sum later on? Or the sort of hereditary serfs that lived in someone else's house generation after generation, owning nothing?

imagine if you were forced to move from your home because some people deemed that area special eg.
the lesser spotted giant earth worm was found on your property . .choice sell up for what u could get or live with it . . .

or the highway 61 mob henchmen move in next door and your resale value drops through the floor

you would complain would you , . after all thats market forces

No. Not being a fucking idiot I'd not be blaming every other fucker for my own lack of foresight, effort or luck.

Brian d marge

4th December 2014, 19:03

So what sort of Cockneys were they? The sort that bought their hovels and improved 'em? their grandkids perhaps selling them for a very tidy sum later on? Or the sort of hereditary serfs that lived in someone else's house generation after generation, owning nothing?

No. Not being a fucking idiot I'd not be blaming every other fucker for my own lack of foresight, effort or luck.
how the hell does one answer that

you know the answer in your own heart

doesnt change the original fact that the bully boys are asking for pocket money

our family were moved from hoxton to west ham when the slum clearances occured we rented then bought and lived in the same houses ever since . . .

blue rider

5th December 2014, 07:10

brutha can you spare a dime

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-12/russell-napier-declares-november-16-2014-day-money-dies

http://barnabyisright.com/2013/08/08/australian-banks-demand-protection-from-derivatives-losses-under-bailin-plan/

Enter the Financial Stability Board. In her blog post "New G20 Rules:Cyprus-Style Bail-Ins to Hit Depositors and Pensioners" http://ellenbrown.com/... Ellen Brown explains:

The Financial Stability Board (FSB) that now regulates banking globally began as a group of G7 finance ministers and central bank governors organized in a merely advisory capacity after the Asian crisis of the late 1990s. Although not official, its mandates effectively acquired the force of law after the 2008 crisis, when the G20 leaders were brought together to endorse its rules. This ritual now happens annually, with the G20 leaders rubberstamping rules aimed at maintaining the stability of the private banking system, usually at public expense.
At the G20 meeting last month in Australia, the FSB presented and received approval for their latest plan for conducting the "resolution proceeding", i.e. bankruptcy, for a troubled TBTF bank. Cutting to the chase, the pertinent part for my dear readers is that instead of their tax money going to bail out the banks, it will potentially be their bank deposit money! The FSB recommended that governments make statutory the confiscation of depositors' money (also known as unsecured debt) if the assets of the bank plus all secured debt is insufficient to keep them afloat. This has come to be known as a bail-in.

At the G20 meeting last month in Australia, the FSB presented and received approval for their latest plan for conducting the "resolution proceeding", i.e. bankruptcy, for a troubled TBTF bank. Cutting to the chase, the pertinent part for my dear readers is that instead of their tax money going to bail out the banks, it will potentially be their bank deposit money! The FSB recommended that governments make statutory the confiscation of depositors' money (also known as unsecured debt) if the assets of the bank plus all secured debt is insufficient to keep them afloat. This has come to be known as a bail-in.

Further, the FSB has put our pension funds at risk as well. They require banks to hold a buffer of securities to be liquidated to prevent insolvency ahead of resorting to deposits. Among other instruments in these buffers are bonds in which pension funds are invested.

Let's suppose you have a good amount of cash in a Wells Fargo savings account. Furthermore, your pension fund is invested in bonds which WF owns in their emergency buffer account. The next financial crash occuor insolvency, bank regulators force WF to liquidate its assets and it's secured debt to raise cash. If that is insufficient the buffer securities will be sold off next. There goes a chunk of your pension fund's money. And if THAT is insufficient the regulators will go after the cash in large deposit accounts first, then, perhaps, get to yours.
rs. The TBTF banks, now with greater risk exposure than ever, start tumbling. Heading for insolvency, bank regulators force WF to liquidate its assets and it's secured debt to raise cash.
The bottom line is, the government is preparing to legitimize the theft of our savings in order to prop up irresponsible and unscrupulous bankers.

ahhh I feel so much better knowing that Dear Leader is a free market, no regulations ever kind a no nonsense currency trader banker type o guy. Imagine what he could/would do if he were a pimko commie purple wearing dirty fucking hippie kind a guy....what would the world come too. We are so lucky to have Dear Leader look after our interests.

also the fact that I have my cash buried underneath the willow tree, that helps too.