Stupid World

[JATZ]

How will those who want power take it? and what power will there be to take? Human behaviour changes based on it's surrounding environment. Change the environment and the behaviour will change. If there is nothing to take because everything is freely given, then where is the profit in taking and trying to wield power? PM me for "answers" iffen ye like :killingme

The power junkies will try to control the resources. Why wouldn't they ?
I think firstly you need to change the behavior, in order to change the environment, which in turn will change the behaviour. Catch 22
So if everything is freely given ? How does it work ? Mike the builder won't have time to build all the houses he has orders for and how does he decide who gets their house and who doesn't ? I'm sure he'd be flat out building for the airline pilot/police man/dentist/doctor and the solo mum from NgaiNgai who can't even be fucked getting out of her pyjamas to go to the warehouse gets nothing.
While your R.B.E. sounds like nirvana.... It's just not going to catch on.

Question: Would you prefer to live in a Resource Based Economy that is open to abuse, but has no crime, poverty, excellent education facilities and standards, A+ healthcare facilities and standards etc.

Why is there no crime ? Some people are just cunts who can't help themselves and have to rip others off or prove they're stronger by giving them a hiding. Human nature again.
Why would teachers teach ? I've heard from teachers (1 in particular) who teaches in a decile 1 school and it doesn't sound like fun. Why would you do it without reward ?
Same with doctors/nurses. WHy would they spend time in A+E on a friday night dealing with people who should know better, without reward


Would you prefer to live under the current system that is open to abuse, but has crime, poverty, ok educational facilities and standards, ok healthcare facilities and standards etc...

Same people in power grabbing the same resources etc...?
The current system is working just fine for me, at this stage.


Thanks for the luck... have a look at the Money Free Party as they're looking to represent an R.B.E. in NZ.

I'll take a look, purely out of curiosity. I have an open mind.... but it's pretty sceptical :D

[Ocean1]

:killingme

So you're saying that there will be no democracy, because I've never stated that.

Cool. As long as I can continue to earn whatever I can and spend it however the fuck I like we'll get along just fine.

Start telling my clients what they should pay me or what I should do with my earnings and I'll break out the tar an' feathers.

[mashman]

The power junkies will try to control the resources. Why wouldn't they ?
I think firstly you need to change the behavior, in order to change the environment, which in turn will change the behaviour. Catch 22
So if everything is freely given ? How does it work ? Mike the builder won't have time to build all the houses he has orders for and how does he decide who gets their house and who doesn't ? I'm sure he'd be flat out building for the airline pilot/police man/dentist/doctor and the solo mum from NgaiNgai who can't even be fucked getting out of her pyjamas to go to the warehouse gets nothing.
While your R.B.E. sounds like nirvana.... It's just not going to catch on.

Why is there no crime ? Some people are just cunts who can't help themselves and have to rip others off or prove they're stronger by giving them a hiding. Human nature again.
Why would teachers teach ? I've heard from teachers (1 in particular) who teaches in a decile 1 school and it doesn't sound like fun. Why would you do it without reward ?
Same with doctors/nurses. WHy would they spend time in A+E on a friday night dealing with people who should know better, without reward

The current system is working just fine for me, at this stage.

I'll take a look, purely out of curiosity. I have an open mind.... but it's pretty sceptical :D

Yeah it is a catch 22, however I believe that a change of environment is required in order for human beings to react with a given set of behaviours. It's like black friday. Otherwise "normal" people go apeshit over it. Environment changes i.e. cost of something, and otherwise "normal" people fo apeshit.
Are there so many people currently unhoused? Yup both systems are gonna need more houses and unfortunately they're becoming more and more expensive and out of the reach of people who would like to own. Remove the cost and the same people will be looking for a house. In regards to resourcing for building more houses under an R.B.E. Consider the number of people who work in the financial industry and wonder if they'd learn how to build in order to cater for our housing needs? Mike can choose who he wants to build for. If Mike is a smart cnut, he might even understand the need for building houses for people that he doesn't know. He may even realise that people just need to be housed and with any luck they'll reciprocate with their services where needed. It ain;t easy explaining a rather broad concept.
It's never meant to be nirvana, just better than that which we currently have... and it's already catching on, globally toooooooo.

Help themselves to that which they can get for free from the shops? No need to rip anyone off. Won't stop the violent from being violent, but should remove the need of any opportunistic crime, need to steal to sell, need to take to have, need to pay for drugs, less drug users?, and any other financially related crime that impedes the development of society. consider 1 billionnaire going broke and the effect of the lives that that has. No longer will that need to exist. But yeah, the violent will find an outlet, perhaps a little less financial pressure would help their general disposition? Who knows, we're complicated fuckers.
Why did they want to teach on the first place? Why did they want to become Doctors/Nurses etc... too? Surely it wasn't all a financial decision? Either way, we all rely on someone else to do their job so that we can all eat, drink, be clothed, drive etc... why not not financially impede any of those you rely on who are financially impeded? Maybe they enjoy the job.

Only coz you know no better like :shifty:. I've no doubt we'll all be hearing more and more about an R.B.E. over the coming years.

That's similar to what I said to myself 6ish years ago lol. Good luck

[mashman]

Cool. As long as I can continue to earn whatever I can and spend it however the fuck I like we'll get along just fine.

Start telling my clients what they should pay me or what I should do with my earnings and I'll break out the tar an' feathers.

You think that's up to you and me? Ho ho ho.

lol, as I have lived under your system, so you will live under an R.B.E. But what about the benefit to the rest of the country?

[bogan]

so you will live under an R.B.E.

But not your communist one i think. Approval ratings rising by less than 0.1% per year... Asymptote unknown...

[mashman]

But not your communist one i think. Approval ratings rising by less than 0.1% per year... Asymptote unknown...

If the people have voted for it, then you will live in whatever style R.B.E. is implemented :wari:

[bogan]

If the people have voted for it, then you will live in whatever style R.B.E. is implemented :wari:

Exactly, people will never vote it in, so I will live in one of my own making. Be the change you wish to see mashy, don't just whinge at others to do it for you.

[mashman]

Exactly, people will never vote it in, so I will live in one of my own making. Be the change you wish to see mashy, don't just whinge at others to do it for you.

Never? You're speaking for an awful lot of people... I'll let them speak for themselves as I'm nice that way. Again, I am the change :wari:

[bogan]

Never? You're speaking for an awful lot of people... I'll let them speak for themselves as I'm nice that way. Again, I am the change :wari:

Not speaking for them, just passing on the message that <0.1% approval ratings says for itself. Dude, you can't even change your own family's mind about this stuff, you have no hope of effecting significant consensus change for a democratic adoption of communism. Skip the communism step and just enjoy a capitalist R.B.E :yes:

[mashman]

Not speaking for them, just passing on the message that <0.1% approval ratings says for itself. Dude, you can't even change your own family's mind about this stuff, you have no hope of effecting significant consensus change for a democratic adoption of communism. Skip the communism step and just enjoy a capitalist R.B.E :yes:

Of course you're speaking for them, as 99% of the country have never herd of an R.B.E. It's not up to me to change the mind of anyone... and as far as my family are concerned (and most of my friends), they understand it perfectly well and will vote for it. Communism again eh, despite me proving earlier that that shoe didn't fit... well I guess if ya can't get that bit right then you know fuck all about the R.B.E. People are changing their minds and I reckon the next election will be even closer still, might even win it.

[bogan]

99% of the country have never herd of an R.B.E.

Now who is speaking for them? :laugh: And I'm pretty sure more than 99% are well aware of communism, and how it has 'worked' in the past; rebadging it will fool a few of course, but not even enough to provoke the govt into an education campaign I think.

[mashman]

Now who is speaking for them? :laugh: And I'm pretty sure more than 99% are well aware of communism, and how it has 'worked' in the past; rebadging it will fool a few of course, but not even enough to provoke the govt into an education campaign I think.

I'm not speaking for them, I'm extrapolating my own findings. :killingme@communism persistence. I realise you're desperate, but really and :killingme :killingme@provoking govt into an education campaign. They'll only become involved with an education campaign when they're losing... and it'll be along the lines of, "go home commy's/pinko's/hippy's" etc... ya know, the typical moronic stuff that gets trotted out to deny that which a person doesn't understand. Shit, you could be the poster boy for it.

[bogan]

I'm not speaking for them, I'm extrapolating my own findings. :killingme@communism persistence. I realise you're desperate, but really and :killingme :killingme@provoking govt into an education campaign. They'll only become involved with an education campaign when they're losing... and it'll be along the lines of, "go home commy's/pinko's/hippy's" etc... ya know, the typical moronic stuff that gets trotted out to deny that which a person doesn't understand. Shit, you could be the poster boy for it.

Just like I was :shit: The commie overlords are giving themselves exemptions already!

The only difference is your commie govt is formed by the people for the people. That has never been tried in communism before; oh wait, that's pretty much the same line all communist overlords trot out :killingme

We understand just fine, that is why communism has such a low approval rating in this country, mirrored by the money free party support and whatever other rebranding name you can come up with for it :sunny:

[Ocean1]

You think that's up to you and me? Ho ho ho.

lol, as I have lived under your system, so you will live under an R.B.E. But what about the benefit to the rest of the country?

No. That's up to me and my clients, and nobody else.

And not only is your moronic idea really really communism but I'll never live with it because this is still a democracy and nobody but you wants it.

[mashman]

Just like I was :shit: The commie overlords are giving themselves exemptions already!

The only difference is your commie govt is formed by the people for the people. That has never been tried in communism before; oh wait, that's pretty much the same line all communist overlords trot out :killingme

We understand just fine, that is why communism has such a low approval rating in this country, mirrored by the money free party support and whatever other rebranding name you can come up with for it :sunny:

:rofl: of course you were. Luckily there's no commies so there's no exemptions.

It's not a commie govt, ergo you haven't got a clue what you're talking about... still.

:killingme, you understand nothing given your persistence to call it communism. If you are unable to differentiate between the two, that top 10 list you posted that was debunked in a nano second, then you simply don't understand either communism or an R.B.E.

[mashman]

No. That's up to me and my clients, and nobody else.

And not only is your moronic idea really really communism but I'll never live with it because this is still a democracy and nobody but you wants it.

Except the market... which consists of billions of people.

:killingme... you'll have no choice but to live with it, because it will be implemented under democracy and it will continue to be a democratic system.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9b/9bed3f09e16fc8e601846d6040575d2d31066028363be26e67 3b778010af1962.jpg

[bogan]

:rofl: of course you were. Luckily there's no commies so there's no exemptions.

It's not a commie govt, ergo you haven't got a clue what you're talking about... still.

:killingme, you understand nothing given your persistence to call it communism. If you are unable to differentiate between the two, that top 10 list you posted that was debunked in a nano second, then you simply don't understand either communism or an R.B.E.

How is saying communism won't come to pass because <0.1% approval rating not extrapolation? Is it because the number was based on an actual thing instead of pulled out of my arse like your one? Exemptions abound.

Commie system requires a commie govt, no matter how big or small that may be.

Have another go at debunking that top ten list then, cos all you did last time was go on about the 'govt' size semantics...

[mashman]

How is saying communism won't come to pass because <0.1% approval rating not extrapolation? Is it because the number was based on an actual thing instead of pulled out of my arse like your one? Exemptions abound.

Commie system requires a commie govt, no matter how big or small that may be.

Have another go at debunking that top ten list then, cos all you did last time was go on about the 'govt' size semantics...

Out of how many people aware of what an R.B.E. is?

:yawn:

So semantically, the current govt is communist. Ok, I can see where your issue is. Carry on.

[bogan]

Out of how many people aware of what an R.B.E. is?

:yawn:

So semantically, the current govt is communist. Ok, I can see where your issue is. Carry on.

Never said it was robust as fuck extrapolation; like I said before, I think most people are aware of what communism (your RBE) is.

No sleeping on the job comrade! or is gulag for you.

Current govt fulfills only one, maybe 2, on that list of 10, your commie RBE does far, far more. So no, current gov is not commie, yours (however large) would be though.

[mashman]

Never said it was robust as fuck extrapolation; like I said before, I think most people are aware of what communism (your RBE) is.

No sleeping on the job comrade! or is gulag for you.

Current govt fulfills only one, maybe 2, on that list of 10, your commie RBE does far, far more. So no, current gov is not commie, yours (however large) would be though.

:killingme... as it's not communism the outcome of your analysis is based on flawed reasoning... like most science. Turns out my analysis is by far superior to your own... guess I'll stick with mine it being factual n all.

Sorry, just having a rest that capitalist and communist economic models don't tolerate. Fascists that they are.

Oh dear, more flawed reasoning. So sad, yet so funny.

[bogan]

:killingme... as it's not communism the outcome of your analysis is based on flawed reasoning... like most science. Turns out my analysis is by far superior to your own... guess I'll stick with mine it being factual n all.

Sorry, just having a rest that capitalist and communist economic models don't tolerate. Fascists that they are.

Oh dear, more flawed reasoning. So sad, yet so funny.

You keep telling us that, but you've yet to show us.

In any case, you've had a lot of attempts at imposing your own definitions on words like; jew, old whitey muthafuckers, money printing, G.D.P, etc etc. You're just bitter that this one will stick because it is accurate :nya:

Ah, there's the mashy retreat we're so used to seeing "you're wrong somehow but I'm not <s>able</s> going to tell you why". Score another one for capitalism, and another nail in the box of you filthy commies.

[mashman]

You keep telling us that, but you've yet to show us.

In any case, you've had a lot of attempts at imposing your own definitions on words like; jew, old whitey muthafuckers, money printing, G.D.P, etc etc. You're just bitter that this one will stick because it is accurate :nya:

Ah, there's the mashy retreat we're so used to seeing "you're wrong somehow but I'm not <s>able</s> going to tell you why". Score another one for capitalism, and another nail in the box of you filthy commies.

You saw the great KB poll results. Done. Proven.

:rofl: not using my definition.

I can't help it if you can't handle your flawed reasoning.

[bogan]

You saw the great KB poll results. Done. Proven.

:rofl: not using my definition.

I can't help it if you can't handle your flawed reasoning.

Referencing neither communism or RBE.

No one gives a shit about your definition, just like when you tried to justify your antisemitic ways, just like when you tried to justify your financial ignorance. If it follows the ocmmon definition of communism (and it does, see ten thingos) then communism it is :sunny:


<s>I can't help it if you can't handle your flawed reasoning.</s>"I'm not retreating, I just really want to go in the opposite direction from those guys over there" Subtle effort mashy :killingme

[mashman]

Referencing neither communism or RBE.

No one gives a shit about your definition, just like when you tried to justify your antisemitic ways, just like when you tried to justify your financial ignorance. If it follows the ocmmon definition of communism (and it does, see ten thingos) then communism it is :sunny:

Subtle effort mashy :killingme

Which shows how perfectly ready for either that 50% of the people are irrespective of the underlying rules. Glad to see that you finally separated communism and an R.B.E., well done.

:yawn:

Thanks brave sir robin.

[bogan]

Which shows how perfectly ready for either that 50% of the people are irrespective of the underlying rules. Glad to see that you finally separated communism and an R.B.E., well done.

:yawn:

Thanks brave sir robin.

I've always separated RBE and communism; hence why I pursue a capitalist RBE, it is just your version of R.B.E that I'll correctly relabel as communism. The underlying rules are of highest importance if you don't want to be faced with the boiled cabbage or gulag choice ;) That is why I shall recast my vote as 'yes, but it will never happen' :yes:

[mashman]

I've always separated RBE and communism; hence why I pursue a capitalist RBE, it is just your version of R.B.E that I'll correctly relabel as communism. The underlying rules are of highest importance if you don't want to be faced with the boiled cabbage or gulag choice ;) That is why I shall recast my vote as 'yes, but it will never happen' :yes:

:rofl:... how little you think of your fellow man. My money is on the people accepting an R.B.E.

[Ocean1]

Except the market... which consists of billions of people.

:killingme... you'll have no choice but to live with it, because it will be implemented under democracy and it will continue to be a democratic system.

Yes. And both my clients and myself are the part of the market that decide what I get paid. Nobody else is being asked to pay me, so they don't get any say in the process. I'd suggest you take that as a lesson on how markets work but you're so enamoured of your cargo cult communism that you wouldn't recognise a relevant confounding fact if it bit you on the arse.

And I see you've still got no idea what a democracy is. You and your minuscule gaggle of idiots don't, and never will have the wherewithal to influence any election, let alone cobble up a majority vote for communism. Never happen.

[Ocean1]

My money is on the people accepting an R.B.E.

No it's not. You don't have the guts to do what you're insisting "the people" should do.

Give all your money away or stfu.

[mashman]

Yes. And both my clients and myself are the part of the market that decide what I get paid. Nobody else is being asked to pay me, so they don't get any say in the process. I'd suggest you take that as a lesson on how markets work but you're so enamoured of your cargo cult communism that you wouldn't recognise a relevant confounding fact if it bit you on the arse.

And I see you've still got no idea what a democracy is. You and your minuscule gaggle of idiots don't, and never will have the wherewithal to influence any election, let alone cobble up a majority vote for communism. Never happen.

Yeah yeah, you are an island blah blah blah...

That's coz we'll be influencing, well, educating the electorate. The election will take care of itself... and you can't tell me otherwise. Build your barricades higher whitey.

[mashman]

No it's not. You don't have the guts to do what you're insisting "the people" should do.

Give all your money away or stfu.

I do not expect the people to give their money away. You've not been paying attention have you.

[bogan]

:rofl:... how little you think of your fellow man. My money is on the people accepting an R.B.E.

Little? I'm certain my fellow people are making the right decision (capitalism and capitalist RBE over commie rubbish), and that they will continue to do so; which to me suggest I think rather well of them. You seem to think very little of them and that choice if you reckon it'll be reversed and communism happen in our lifetime :laugh:

The thing is, your money isn't on that at all, everyone elses is. If your money was, you'd use it to be the change. What have you changed mushy? a few 'minds' here and there perhaps? but what have you actually created? fuck all apart from whinging I'll bet.

[bogan]

You've not been paying attention have you.

Have you?

http://people.howstuffworks.com/communism1.htm

Marx also detailed the 10 essential tenets of communism, namely:
Central banking system -check
Government controlled education -check
Government controlled labor -check
Government ownership of transportation and communication vehicles -check
Government ownership of agricultural means and factories -check
Total abolition of private property -maybe, depends on what day you ask mashy ab
Property rights confiscation -see above
Heavy income tax on everyone -check
Elimination of rights of inheritance -check
Regional planning -check

Yup, still sounds like communism to me ol mushman.

[mashman]

Little? I'm certain my fellow people are making the right decision (capitalism and capitalist RBE over commie rubbish), and that they will continue to do so; which to me suggest I think rather well of them. You seem to think very little of them and that choice if you reckon it'll be reversed and communism happen in our lifetime :laugh:

The thing is, your money isn't on that at all, everyone elses is. If your money was, you'd use it to be the change. What have you changed mushy? a few 'minds' here and there perhaps? but what have you actually created? fuck all apart from whinging I'll bet.

Ok. It's not communism.. and what's worse, you can't prove it. Surely if it were that black and white it would have been done and dusted. Let it go bro.

My money is on it.

[bogan]

Surely if it were that black and white it would have been done and dusted.

It is, see the above list.

[mashman]

Have you?

http://people.howstuffworks.com/communism1.htm

Marx also detailed the 10 essential tenets of communism, namely:
Central banking system - capitalism has one
Government controlled education -capitalism sets the curriculum
Government controlled labor -minimum wage
Government ownership of transportation and communication vehicles - where have I ever stated that?
Government ownership of agricultural means and factories - capitalism calls them regulators
Total abolition of private property - you'll still own shit
Property rights confiscation - the govt can currently take anything off you that they choose
Heavy income tax on everyone - :killingme there will be no income tax
Elimination of rights of inheritance - :killingme where have I ever stated that?
Regional planning - well the region will have the power to do what the region wants and the govt will be nothing more than a facilitator.

Yup, still sounds like you haven't got a clue to me ol bogdan.

fixed it for ya

[bogan]

fixed it for ya

Excellent, now you're talking substance again!

Marx also detailed the 10 essential tenets of communism, namely:
Central banking system - capitalism has one which is irrelevant unless you are trying to convince me capitalism is communism :scratch: I mean you have history of word redifinitions but that would take things a bit far
Government controlled education -capitalism sets the curriculum to a point, but secondary school you choose subjects, tertiary you choose the whole lot, and pay for it (also, see #1)
Government controlled labor -minimum wage does not control labor (also see #1)
Government ownership of transportation and communication vehicles - where have I ever stated that? you keep saying everyone is the govt, so if not govt owned then who?
Government ownership of agricultural means and factories - capitalism calls them regulators, which do not own either of those things, merely regulate them
Total abolition of private property - you'll still own shit, hmm own things but at no cost, seems like a shit idea but we can cross this one off then
Property rights confiscation - the govt can currently take anything off you that they choose, factually wrong.
Heavy income tax on everyone - there will be no income tax; actually the whole thing is tax, as it all goes to the govt (populace)
Elimination of rights of inheritance - where have I ever stated that? ok, we can cross that one off too; of course with property rights confiscation above it does eliminate the right to a fair degree
Regional planning - well the region will have the power to do what the region wants and the govt will be nothing more than a facilitator; yup, that one is still on list then.

So 8/10, verdict: filthy pinko commie system

[mashman]

Excellent, now you're talking substance again!

Not even close.

[bogan]

Not even close.

You retreating again? too much logic applied I guess...

[mashman]

You retreating again? too much logic applied I guess...

You have nothing relevant to add. Certainly not logic.

[bogan]

You have nothing relevant to add. Certainly not logic.

If that were true you could rebuff my evaluation. You can't, so it isn't. Logic, it just works, bitches :woohoo:


Marx also detailed the 10 essential tenets of communism, namely:
Central banking system - capitalism has one which is irrelevant unless you are trying to convince me capitalism is communism I mean you have history of word redifinitions but that would take things a bit far
Government controlled education -capitalism sets the curriculum to a point, but secondary school you choose subjects, tertiary you choose the whole lot, and pay for it (also, see #1)
Government controlled labor -minimum wage does not control labor (also see #1)
Government ownership of transportation and communication vehicles - where have I ever stated that? you keep saying everyone is the govt, so if not govt owned then who?
Government ownership of agricultural means and factories - capitalism calls them regulators, which do not own either of those things, merely regulate them
Total abolition of private property - you'll still own shit, hmm own things but at no cost, seems like a shit idea but we can cross this one off then
Property rights confiscation - the govt can currently take anything off you that they choose, factually wrong.
Heavy income tax on everyone - there will be no income tax; actually the whole thing is tax, as it all goes to the govt (populace)
Elimination of rights of inheritance - where have I ever stated that? ok, we can cross that one off too; of course with property rights confiscation above it does eliminate the right to a fair degree
Regional planning - well the region will have the power to do what the region wants and the govt will be nothing more than a facilitator; yup, that one is still on list then.

[mashman]

If that were true you could rebuff my evaluation.

I did. Twice.

[bogan]

I did. Twice.

You tried twice, failed twice which is why you've had to give up.

[mashman]

You tried twice, failed twice which is why you've had to give up.

I choose to give up because you have nothing else. I care not that you failed you.

[bogan]

I choose to give up

There's a refreshing bit of honesty and evaluation of the realities of the situation :2thumbsup:

[blue rider]

blah blah blah blah blah

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/14/shishmaref-alaska-climate-change-relocation_n_6296516.html

[Brian d marge]

Yes. And both my clients and myself are the part of the market that decide what I get paid. Nobody else is being asked to pay me, so they don't get any say in the process. I'd suggest you take that as a lesson on how markets work but you're so enamoured of your cargo cult communism that you wouldn't recognise a relevant confounding fact if it bit you on the arse.

And I see you've still got no idea what a democracy is. You and your minuscule gaggle of idiots don't, and never will have the wherewithal to influence any election, let alone cobble up a majority vote for communism. Never happen.
white van man on a roll .,

some have more of an idea than youwill ever concieve

ill start the ball rollin

a man was born free and everywhere is in chains .

now answer my question

negative entropy are u sure?

[Brian d marge]

Build your barricades higher whitey.
i would worry in nz

france

england

fergason maybe

nz . . , mustnt grumble

[Brian d marge]

You tried twice, failed twice which is why you've had to give up.
acouple ofthings

commieism is orshould be sharing

the fk up that russia and others got is well a fk up

where or moee importantly how did stalin rise tohis position

where did the money come from

and if you have a one fella effectively in control . . .kinda reminds me of that jerman fella . . .he called that one socialism

as for marx and capitalism . . didnt he say that capitalism would implode from the inside out

[yokel]

I choose to give up because you have nothing else. I care not that you failed you.

Bro I feel your pain

[mashman]

Bro I feel your pain

:killingme... nah, I take solace in the fact that for all of the smarts the brainy boy displays, he is still incapable of communicating with, let lone understanding, what he classes as morons :killingme :crybaby: :killingme... he just ain't smart enough (proven fact). Tis a thing of beauty really :blip:, so enjoy it :yes:

[mashman]

i would worry in nz

france

england

fergason maybe

nz . . , mustnt grumble

S'ok, when they hit the pie factories the place will go ape shit. It's number 1 on my list :shifty:

[bogan]

Bro I feel your pain


:killingme... nah, I take solace in the fact that for all of the smarts the brainy boy displays, he is still incapable of communicating with, let lone understanding, what he classes as morons :killingme :crybaby: :killingme... he just ain't smart enough (proven fact). Tis a thing of beauty really :blip:, so enjoy it :yes:

Ha, well look at you two clingons. Go on, talk amongst yourselves and come up with some really good insults, that'll teach me in a way that actually explaining thing and applying logic never will :facepalm:

[carbonhed]

acouple ofthings

commieism is orshould be sharing

the fk up that russia and others got is well a fk up

where or moee importantly how did stalin rise tohis position

where did the money come from

and if you have a one fella effectively in control . . .kinda reminds me of that jerman fella . . .he called that one socialism

as for marx and capitalism . . didnt he say that capitalism would implode from the inside out

I'd follow this cunt anywhere. The depf of his inerlek is so deep lik an prow foun.

[mashman]

Ha, well look at you two clingons. Go on, talk amongst yourselves and come up with some really good insults, that'll teach me in a way that actually explaining thing and applying logic never will :facepalm:

Oh ironing... speaking of which, where is your bum chum?

[Brian d marge]

I'd follow this cunt anywhere. The depf of his inerlek is so deep lik an prow foun.
you trying to use a phone as well

damn things are impossible to type on

but you would have known that

carbonhead is a really suitable name

[mashman]

GREENPEACE ACCUSED OF DAMAGING HISTORIC SITE (https://nz.totaltravel.yahoo.com/news/a/25773495/greenpeace-accused-of-damaging-historic-site/)... damaging? :killingme.

[mashman]

EU: Greek defiance on debt would be 'suicidal' (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-greek-defiance-debt-suicidal-173328140.html)... well it's worked out well for Iceland.

[avgas]

Climate Change takes a village.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/14/shishmaref-alaska-climate-change-relocation_n_6296516.html
and it killed my parents.
Or was that Ninja's? I always get those 2 confused.

[avgas]

GREENPEACE ACCUSED OF DAMAGING HISTORIC SITE (https://nz.totaltravel.yahoo.com/news/a/25773495/greenpeace-accused-of-damaging-historic-site/)... damaging? :killingme.
The Nazca lines should be left the fuck alone. Otherwise what is the point in eco-activism?

It's a bit like sluts on anti-rape parades really.

[mashman]

The Nazca lines should be left the fuck alone. Otherwise what is the point in eco-activism?

It's a bit like sluts on anti-rape parades really.

Eco-activism... lemmeee seeeeeeeeee. To highlight the need for the protection of the environment as no other fucker bothers? They might have an important message. As do sluts about not wanting to be raped.

[carbonhed]

Eco-activism... lemmeee seeeeeeeeee. To highlight the need for the protection of the environment as no other fucker bothers? They might have an important message. As do sluts about not wanting to be raped.

Well strangely Greenpeace has offered a grovelling apology. Perhaps because even those fuckwits know when they've overstepped the mark.

[mashman]

Well strangely Greenpeace has offered a grovelling apology. Perhaps because even those fuckwits know when they've overstepped the mark.

Or, they also understand that all they have to say is sorry and they can do what they want and get away with it too.

[Akzle]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1412/S00618/home-loan-affordabilty-drops-sharply-in-november.htm

hah. Youre not allowed to play housie, thats for old white fucks, cos they earned it.

Cue ocean.

[carbonhed]

Or, they also understand that all they have to say is sorry and they can do what they want and get away with it too.

Explaining is losing.

Maybe... and I'm going out on a limb here... blue sky thinking. Maybe... perhaps... possibly... You should start a thread on things you love. Surely you must have been somewhere, seen something, done something, at some stage in your miserable existence that you enjoyed? You can't just be a whiney scouse douche... and that's it... what would be the point?

[mashman]

Explaining is losing.

Maybe... and I'm going out on a limb here... blue sky thinking. Maybe... perhaps... possibly... You should start a thread on things you love. Surely you must have been somewhere, seen something, done something, at some stage in your miserable existence that you enjoyed? You can't just be a whiney scouse douche... and that's it... what would be the point?

Only if winning was an objective.

I think I've made my feelings towards this planet and the people on it quite clear. You seem not to think so, meh. And I can just be a whiney scouse douche should I choose to be so :bleh: Life's a long song.

[carbonhed]

Only if winning was an objective.

I think I've made my feelings towards this planet and the people on it quite clear. You seem not to think so, meh. And I can just be a whiney scouse douche should I choose to be so :bleh: Life's a long song.

Nobody chooses to be a whiney scouse douche, it's just something you're born to.

[mashman]

Nobody chooses to be a whiney scouse douche, it's just something you're born to.

OMG my whole world has just crashed down around my ears. I really didn't think it could get any worse... but you have proven me wrong as you have unveiled the true purpose of my life. It's so hard to handle. I really don't think it can get any worse. I, Must, Whine.

[Brian d marge]

Nobody chooses to be a whiney scouse douche, it's just something you're born to.
or have been ordained by a higher authority
me thinks looking in mirror might be a good idea

[Brian d marge]

have you ever noticed that the truely scared are the most vitriolic . . .run logan run

[bogan]

have you ever noticed that the truely scared are the most vitriolic . . .run logan run

Sounds like mashy and aksy to me; they even run too. The more balanced individuals tend to try and discuss things instead; ie, focus on the good and the bad, explain reasoning, etc, etc.

[Brian d marge]

hmmm go popey

Reuters) - Pope Francis said on Sunday that equating Islam with violence was wrong and called on Muslim leaders to issue a global condemnation of terrorism to help dispel the stereotype.
Francis, the leader of 1.2 billion Roman Catholics, told reporters aboard his plane returning from a visit to Turkey that he understood why Muslims were offended by many in the West who automatically equated their religion with terrorism.
Francis' predecessor, Benedict XVI, caused storms of protest throughout the Islamic world in 2006, when he made a speech that suggested to many Muslims that he believed Islam espoused violence.
Benedict said he had been misunderstood and apologized. But this year, the image of a violent religion has once more been promoted by Islamic State, who have seized swathes of Syria and Iraq, slaughtering or driving out Shi'ite Muslims, Christians and others who do not share their radical brand of Sunni Islam.

The Argentine pope, who has been trying to foster cooperation with moderate Islam in order to work for peace and protect Christians in the Middle East, said it was wrong for anyone to react to terrorism by being "enraged" against Islam.
"You just can’t say that, just as you can’t say that all Christians are fundamentalists. We have our share of them (fundamentalists). All religions have these little groups," he said.
"They (Muslims) say: ‘No, we are not this, the Koran is a book of peace, it is a prophetic book of peace'."
Francis said he had made the suggestion of a global condemnation of terrorism by Islamic leaders in talks on Friday with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan.
"I told the president that it would be beautiful if all Islamic leaders, whether they are political, religious or academic leaders, would speak out clearly and condemn this because this would help the majority of Muslim people," he said.
Francis several times condemned Islamic State's insurgents during his three-day trip. On the plane, he said some Christians had been forced to abandon everything: "They are driving us out of the Middle East."
In an address at a Mass on Sunday, he said Islamic State were committing a "profoundly grave sin against God" and called for inter-religious dialogue and action against poverty to help end the conflicts in the region.
He added that ending poverty was crucial, partly because it gave rise to "the recruitment of terrorists". Francis has in the past said that, while it is lawful for the international community to use force to stop an "unjust aggressor", lasting solutions must be found that tackle the root causes of violence.
(Additional reporting by Nick Tattersall, editing by Kevin Liffey

[Brian d marge]

Sounds like mashy and aksy to me; they even run too. The more balanced individuals tend to try and discuss things instead; ie, focus on the good and the bad, explain reasoning, etc, etc.
u probably do . .in fact i know u try to
but white van man is still avoiding
the question about negative entropy
it
so swings both ways

i see how mashies world can work
i know it can
but i dont know how . . i get hung up on the medium of trade

i prefer debt free money sticks and he perefers blondes

where as the current system is proving itself to be alive and well in the mind of the cheshire cat

just look at japan how fked up is that

absolute example of . . oh fk me

Fox news. . .shonkey. . .fk imran hosein is making more sense

as for me
i have a house in japan nearly debt free
some gold
no cash
and the use of a small farm in nz possibly i can buy . wife not to keen atn . . . .in rotherham nth canty

personally i want it to go pearshaped asap as i would like to see david carter . .dick smith and a few others . see the pain they have caused other people

honestly ive got me knitting out

[Brian d marge]

Sounds like mashy and aksy to me; they even run too. The more balanced individuals tend to try and discuss things instead; ie, focus on the good and the bad, explain reasoning, etc, etc.
Logan's Run (trailer): http://youtu.be/4WUUnc1M0TA

run logan

[mashman]

but i dont know how . . i get hung up on the medium of trade

i prefer debt free money sticks and he perefers blondes


You mean value right ;)?

Redheads.

[unstuck]

ie, focus on the good and the bad,

Mixed energies = mixed results
The better it gets, the better it gets. The worse it gets, the worse it gets.
Whatever you focus on expands, so why would you want to focus on the bad, Ed? Ooops, did I say that out loud.:msn-wink:

[yokel]

Sounds like mashy and aksy to me; they even run too. The more balanced individuals tend to try and discuss things instead; ie, focus on the good and the bad, explain reasoning, etc, etc.

We'll that means a lot coming from an unbalanced delusional individual like ya self

[mashman]

We'll that means a lot coming from an unbalanced delusional individual like ya self

You forgot bias... the dude fuckin loves the stuff.

[bogan]

u probably do . .in fact i know u try to
but white van man is still avoiding
the question about negative entropy
it
so swings both ways

i see how mashies world can work
i know it can
but i dont know how . . i get hung up on the medium of trade

i prefer debt free money sticks and he perefers blondes

where as the current system is proving itself to be alive and well in the mind of the cheshire cat

just look at japan how fked up is that

absolute example of . . oh fk me

Fox news. . .shonkey. . .fk imran hosein is making more sense

as for me
i have a house in japan nearly debt free
some gold
no cash
and the use of a small farm in nz possibly i can buy . wife not to keen atn . . . .in rotherham nth canty

personally i want it to go pearshaped asap as i would like to see david carter . .dick smith and a few others . see the pain they have caused other people

honestly ive got me knitting out

My van is yellow, maybe that is why I missed it. That and I'm not sure what you mean by negative entropy; there are a number of ways that term could be applied in this context.

You also tend to focus on the bad, life has its ups and downs, under the current system the overal trend has been upwards though. To hope it goes pearshape is not very smart, just who do you think the hardships of that will fall upon? those at the 'top' or 'bottom'?


Mixed energies = mixed results
The better it gets, the better it gets. The worse it gets, the worse it gets.
Whatever you focus on expands, so why would you want to focus on the bad, Ed? Ooops, did I say that out loud.:msn-wink:

Yeh, but baby steps are sometimes required...


We'll that means a lot coming from an unbalanced delusional individual like ya self


You forgot bias... the dude fuckin loves the stuff.

See, running and flinging.

[Scuba_Steve]

My van is yellow.

I feel sorry for ya :bleh:

[mashman]

See, running and flinging.

Coz you could never be accused of doing anything like that with yer bum chums.

[Brian d marge]

My van is yellow, maybe that is why I missed it. That and I'm not sure what you mean by negative entropy; there are a number of ways that term could be applied in this context.

You also tend to focus on the bad, life has its ups and downs, under the current system the overal trend has been upwards though. To hope it goes pearshape is not very smart, just who do you think the hardships of that will fall upon? those at the 'top' or 'bottom'?



Yeh, but baby steps are sometimes required...





See, running and flinging.

white van is aimed at another

so is the entropy

sorry didnt come across very well

you are right about focusing on the negative thats true

trouble is there is a lot of it about
japan . what can one say .

personally i want to cut back on me work . . but mr abe seems hell bent on making my life difficult

as for the poor getting the rough end . . thats always been the way
i dont like it any more than u do but

it is going to hit the fan sooner or later
the economy for some countries is more like blowing up an inflatable doll with a hole in as soon as ya stop blowing
mean while the rich fkers are transfering wealth at an alarming speed they will be fine . .

in the mean time if the us xmas sales are down which i suspect they will be then im battening down the hatches and or bailing out . . .

to which i must actually get things in order as its a bit half arsed at the mo

[Brian d marge]

You mean value right ;)?

Redheads.
the value of trade . . .no the medium which allows trade

[avgas]

Eco-activism... lemmeee seeeeeeeeee. To highlight the need for the protection of the environment as no other fucker bothers? They might have an important message. As do sluts about not wanting to be raped.
And doing it without destroying said environment is so 1988.
I eagerly await their
"Fire Burns" campaign in the Amazon. They will be able to see that one from space.
Eco-activism. Fuck Yeah!

As for sluts on an anti-rape protest. You reading that situation wrong. They are out scouting for fun.

[avgas]

My van is yellow
Free Candy?

[avgas]

Well strangely Greenpeace has offered a grovelling apology. Perhaps because even those fuckwits know when they've overstepped the mark.
It's only a 2000 year old unexplained carving.
http://io9.com/drone-footage-shows-extent-of-greenpeaces-damage-to-per-1671729403

[bogan]

Free Candy?

Nah, winch in the back and loading ramps on board; just crank up the whale mating sounds on dual subs (thanks capitalism) and start winching the heifers aboard :sick:

[mashman]

the value of trade . . .no the medium which allows trade

Same thing. The medium will no longer be a concern in day to day life. Wotcha gonna do after you get that telly?


And doing it without destroying said environment is so 1988.
I eagerly await their
"Fire Burns" campaign in the Amazon. They will be able to see that one from space.
Eco-activism. Fuck Yeah!

As for sluts on an anti-rape protest. You reading that situation wrong. They are out scouting for fun.

The u.s. has changed you :laugh:. Although :rofl:@ destroying... I'm sure they've learned how to put stones back from whence they came.
Hell, I bet there's more stones under that grass and it's a govt cover up, boom boom.
They can plant more trees ;). Isn't that how it works at the moment.

[Brian d marge]

Same thing. The medium will no longer be a concern in day to day life. Wotcha gonna do after you get that telly?



The u.s. has changed you :laugh:. Although :rofl:@ destroying... I'm sure they've learned how to put stones back from whence they came.
Hell, I bet there's more stones under that grass and it's a govt cover up, boom boom.
They can plant more trees ;). Isn't that how it works at the moment.

I have a solar panel and enough shortland street reruns to last a lifetime , worst case senario,,, home and away ....

Stephen

[mashman]

I have a solar panel and enough shortland street reruns to last a lifetime , worst case senario,,, home and away ....

Stephen

I've already seen more than enough shortland street to last a lifetime... you're a brave man. Must look into that solar panel stuff some day. Did one make one?

[yokel]

You forgot bias... the dude fuckin loves the stuff.

It's a little more than just bias haha
he's the result of the feminising of society so thinks like a women and some how thinks disagreement wins an augment.
cries like a little bitch about other peoples behaviour while doing the same thing himself.

just like how the US complains about Russia selling weaponry that has killed some folks. WTF?!?!

[mashman]

It's a little more than just bias haha
he's the result of the feminising of society so thinks like a women and some how thinks disagreement wins an augment.
cries like a little bitch about other peoples behaviour while doing the same thing himself.

just like how the US complains about Russia selling weaponry that has killed some folks. WTF?!?!

Projection as a coping mechanism underpinned by entitlement? I mean, female trait is a bit harsh, even if I do know what you mean :shifty:

All that war stuff is just silly and really needs to stop.

[Ocean1]

What limits resource availability is the production of resources. Work. Effort. Negative entropy. Unless someone produces it it don't exist. Money is simply the unit of measuring negative entropy, as valued by the majority of society.


negative u sure???


I do a very good line in widespread macro-entropic services at very reasonable prices, but I assure you the market for making good shit out of fuck all is far more in demand, and far, far more profitable.


negative entropy are u sure?


Money is simply a unit of negative entropy, as valued by the majority of society.





Deaf cunt.

[bogan]

Ha, well look at you two clingons. Go on, talk amongst yourselves and come up with some really good insults, that'll teach me in a way that actually explaining thing and applying logic never will :facepalm:


It's a little more than just bias haha
he's the result of the feminising of society so thinks like a women and some how thinks disagreement wins an augment.
cries like a little bitch about other peoples behaviour while doing the same thing himself.

just like how the US complains about Russia selling weaponry that has killed some folks. WTF?!?!


Projection as a coping mechanism underpinned by entitlement? I mean, female trait is a bit harsh, even if I do know what you mean :shifty:

All that war stuff is just silly and really needs to stop.

Hehehehe, too predictable guys. :rolleyes: :killingme

Let me know if you want to have a discussion instead of this running/flinging. I'm still prepared to teach you about simple physics and communism, cos I'm just a good bloke like that :2thumbsup

[mashman]

Hehehehe, too predictable guys. :rolleyes: :killingme

True to form.

[yokel]

Projection as a coping mechanism underpinned by entitlement? I mean, female trait is a bit harsh, even if I do know what you mean :shifty:

All that war stuff is just silly and really needs to stop.

the truth is a harsh mistress, it hurts to hear the truth thats why people (especially women) will do any thing possible not to hear it.
and now that men are the new women this is a real problem.

It's funny how when ever the US encounters a problem the solution is to have a war on it haha

[Brian d marge]

I've already seen more than enough shortland street to last a lifetime... you're a brave man. Must look into that solar panel stuff some day. Did one make one?
mycustomer gave me a small set up for me aquaponics
just been to lazy to set it up

[Brian d marge]

Deaf cunt.
answer the question

negative are u sure

my reading is fine but me thinks u have no idea what u r talking about

[mashman]

UK police in 'VIP ring' child abuse inquiry investigate possible murders (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25814145/uk-police-in-vip-ring-child-abuse-inquiry-investigate-possible-murders/)

[Brian d marge]

UK police in 'VIP ring' child abuse inquiry investigate possible murders (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25814145/uk-police-in-vip-ring-child-abuse-inquiry-investigate-possible-murders/)
david might have been right all along . . . in those dark satanic mills

[mashman]

david might have been right all along . . . in those dark satanic mills

I missed that step. Dave whoooooo?

[husaberg]

Right, Damage control spin turn a problem into a win time
Sony has been a bit embarrassed of late re the leaked emails.
Turns out the North Koreans (booo hiss boo hiss) are behind it

So what does Sony do. it waits a little.
It then pulls the release of a movie, one that has political content, they do this in a very dramatic fashion... this creates an immediate outrage

There is an immediate public outcry...One that freedom of expression has been thwarted etc etc...Shame on Sony they have given in to blackmail and terrorist etc etc...

Now this is so bloody clever on so many levels.
It gets the heat of the material that was released.....
but also what it does is, provides huge amount's of free publicity for the Movie that was due to be released.

It of course will be, once Sony "stands up" to the Bully North Koreans.....
Epic Spin Sony epic... Hats off..........
As it turns all that negative publicity into a epic win.........

[Brian d marge]

I missed that step. Dave whoooooo?
our famous english football player and sports broadcaster

him that was on the wogan show

[mashman]

our famous english football player and sports broadcaster

him that was on the wogan show

Ya know, I've never watched any of his stuff. The odd clip here and there.

However he was a part of a crackin synchronicity I once had. Maybe I should give him a watch. Got any perticular faves?

[mashman]

the truth is a harsh mistress, it hurts to hear the truth thats why people (especially women) will do any thing possible not to hear it.
and now that men are the new women this is a real problem.

It's funny how when ever the US encounters a problem the solution is to have a war on it haha

:rofl: Interesting box. Men are from Venus and women are From Mars. Or is it the other way around.

Well there must be something really important to go to war over if a dispute can't be solved by talking things through. Coz I've been led to believe that that war thing's quite a serious business.

[Brian d marge]

Ya know, I've never watched any of his stuff. The odd clip here and there.

However he was a part of a crackin synchronicity I once had. Maybe I should give him a watch. Got any perticular faves?
hahahaha anything
old stuff off the wall toot toot

new stuff pretty close the mark

esp old prescott bush he rips into old prescott hahaa

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[mashman]

hahahaha anything
old stuff off the wall toot toot

new stuff pretty close the mark

esp old prescott bush he rips into old prescott hahaa

Minister of Transport 2 Jag egg face prescott?

Thanks for the synchronicity :2thumbsup Before I saw your post with David vid added, I started to watch well, listen to that very video last night :wari:. Bit late though and have a full day ahead so hopefully get to finish it later.

[Brian d marge]

Minister of Transport 2 Jag egg face prescott?

Thanks for the synchronicity :2thumbsup Before I saw your post with David vid added, I started to watch well, listen to that very video last night :wari:. Bit late though and have a full day ahead so hopefully get to finish it later.
prestcott bush . . georges grandfather

dodgy deals done dirt cheap

[oldrider]

David Icke?

I am really at the :rolleyes: stage with some of the things he says but he certainly does hit some of the serious questions I have asked myself! :niceone:

The other thing that gets me is how and why "he" is still alive and free to wonder around the world saying the things that he does! :eek: . (If what he claims is true!)

He can certainly hold your attention for a considerable period of time! :yes:

[husaberg]

David Icke?

I am really at the :rolleyes: stage with some of the things he says but he certainly does hit some of the serious questions I have asked myself! :niceone:

The other thing that gets me is how and why "he" is still alive and free to wonder around the world saying the things that he does! :eek: . (If what he claims is true!)

He can certainly hold your attention for a considerable period of time! :yes:


Right, Damage control spin turn a problem into a win time
Sony has been a bit embarrassed of late re the leaked emails.
Turns out the North Koreans (booo hiss boo hiss) are behind it

So what does Sony do. it waits a little.
It then pulls the release of a movie, one that has political content, they do this in a very dramatic fashion... this creates an immediate outrage

There is an immediate public outcry...One that freedom of expression has been thwarted etc etc...Shame on Sony they have given in to blackmail and terrorist etc etc...

Now this is so bloody clever on so many levels.
It gets the heat of the material that was released.....
but also what it does is, provides huge amount's of free publicity for the Movie that was due to be released.

It of course will be, once Sony "stands up" to the Bully North Koreans.....
Epic Spin Sony epic... Hats off..........
As it turns all that negative publicity into a epic win.........

go to the video at 20 minutes freaky...............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9A2IGShuk

[oldrider]

go to the video at 20 minutes freaky...............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9A2IGShuk

Case in point .. it's what they are trying to do to Russia currently ... never mind your independent BRICS bank ... it's our way (IMF etc) or the hi-way or even WW3!

Nice people :2guns: they will risk anything to maintain their domination of the world finance! ... Stay tuned it is interesting! :corn:

[husaberg]

Case in point .. it's what they are trying to do to Russia currently ... never mind your independent BRICS bank ... it's our way (IMF etc) or the hi-way or even WW3!

Nice people :2guns: they will risk anything to maintain their domination of the world finance! ... Stay tuned it is interesting! :corn:

What I was meaning is it was exactly the same tactic I had said Sony was using (a day earlier) and I had never seen the video or heard of the guy......

[Brian d marge]

David Icke?

I am really at the :rolleyes: stage with some of the things he says but he certainly does hit some of the serious questions I have asked myself! :niceone:

The other thing that gets me is how and why "he" is still alive and free to wonder around the world saying the things that he does! :eek: . (If what he claims is true!)

He can certainly hold your attention for a considerable period of time! :yes:
yes i wondered that
he actually said . .about the pedos
come on sue me
lets do this

not one

and he is still alive . .

possibly that gulliver swift thing where u write a fruit bat book which everyone thing is a nice story and though it u attack the powers that be

[Brian d marge]

go to the video at 20 minutes freaky...............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9A2IGShuk



problem , reaction, solution.......

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/64348887/president-obama-declares-us-will-retaliate-against-north-korea-for-hacking-attack-on-sony

Stephen

[yokel]

problem , reaction, solution.......

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/64348887/president-obama-declares-us-will-retaliate-against-north-korea-for-hacking-attack-on-sony

Stephen

yes, the truth is always reviled by the result and that is more government intervention and laws.

seen it on the retarded TV news telling you that it is only logical that it was North Korea, is that fucking right?
and Obama crapping on about North Korea trying to censor the US, what a fucking living misleading cunt.
he is the one that wants to do the censoring.

whats the bet that this movie is a absolutely shit house flop and this is there way of getting the idiots the watch it.

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[oldrider]

What a stupid arrogant American attitude to even contemplate such an insulting plot for a film - typical of schoolboy bully behaviour! :bash:

Then they (USA) expect to be respected on the world stage! :sick:

Hollywood is a shithole and undermines the spirit of freedom of expression! IMHO! :yes:

How many enemies does the USA need to totally screw down their national freedoms to the limit then to be followed by all their allied minions like NZ etc?

[yokel]

yes the fact that the movie plot is just fucking bad taste, disrespectful and flat out retarded never gets a mention on the muppet TV news, that tells you whats up.

[Akzle]

Hollywood is a shithole and undermines the spirit of freedom of expression! IMHO! :yes:


and owned, run and spun by je_s_ _
(no, it's not jesus!)

[Scuba_Steve]

Obama crapping on about North Korea trying to censor the US, what a fucking living misleading cunt.
he is the one that wants to do the censoring.

Just has me thinking of this
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10167927_10204197084819856_6702819641011611565_n.j pg?oh=cd70226287618a7d27fd7f05de64d8e5&oe=5546C1AB

[avgas]

The u.s. has changed you :laugh:. Although :rofl:@ destroying... I'm sure they've learned how to put stones back from whence they came.
Hell, I bet there's more stones under that grass and it's a govt cover up, boom boom.
They can plant more trees ;). Isn't that how it works at the moment.
Nah sadly Greenpeace NZ ruined it for me about 10 years ago. Back then they were "Saving the planet - by driving around in brand new turbo'd Mitsubishi, and telling us common folk to save fuel.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for saving this rock - but we need to be careful about how we do it.
You don't cut the head off the sphinx, burn the treaty of Waitangi or drive a bulldozer through the great wall of china.......to promote your message.

So as to not look stupid. Because if you try and prove a point - and look stupid, no one respects you. Case and point the moron who made No-Tree-Hill.

I mean if we were going to be honest about saving lets talk about the thing that is killing it......
http://andthenwesaved.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/the-cost-of-pregnancy.jpg

I doubt the GP Brigade would be so chirpy if we shut their pipes.

[Brian d marge]

Rollin Rollin Rollin ........



those were the days ......

Stephen306874

[blue rider]

Nah sadly Greenpeace NZ ruined it for me about 10 years ago. Back then they were "Saving the planet - by driving around in brand new turbo'd Mitsubishi, and telling us common folk to save fuel.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for saving this rock - but we need to be careful about how we do it.
You don't cut the head off the sphinx, burn the treaty of Waitangi or drive a bulldozer through the great wall of china.......to promote your message.

So as to not look stupid. Because if you try and prove a point - and look stupid, no one respects you. Case and point the moron who made No-Tree-Hill.

I mean if we were going to be honest about saving lets talk about the thing that is killing it......


I doubt the GP Brigade would be so chirpy if we shut their pipes.



i agree.....free vasectomies for all men of reproductive age :) (once they have proven to be reliable, accountable for the shit they do and rich enough to support their sprogs it can be reversed, they get one shot and then it gets sewn up again :) )
I am all for population controll, i am just really over making it a female problem. It takes two to tango.

[mashman]

Nah sadly Greenpeace NZ ruined it for me about 10 years ago. Back then they were "Saving the planet - by driving around in brand new turbo'd Mitsubishi, and telling us common folk to save fuel.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for saving this rock - but we need to be careful about how we do it.
You don't cut the head off the sphinx, burn the treaty of Waitangi or drive a bulldozer through the great wall of china.......to promote your message.

So as to not look stupid. Because if you try and prove a point - and look stupid, no one respects you. Case and point the moron who made No-Tree-Hill.

I mean if we were going to be honest about saving lets talk about the thing that is killing it......

I doubt the GP Brigade would be so chirpy if we shut their pipes.

:rofl: you stopped backing those who are wanting to save the planet because they're using stuff that isn't good for the planet? Shit mate, it's only hypocrisy :laugh:.
Totally with you in regards to being careful about how we go about it... but it's gonna take modern day shit in order to do it... so crying hypocrisy is really cutting one's nose off to spite one's face given that the tech we have is allowing us to become more efficient. Not that it makes quality of life any better.

:killingme... stupid is as stupid doesn't understand and therefore stupid positions are defended by truly stupid people, ya know, like anyone who defends the financial system as the best we can do.

[mashman]

i agree.....free vasectomies for all men of reproductive age :) (once they have proven to be reliable, accountable for the shit they do and rich enough to support their sprogs it can be reversed, they get one shot and then it gets sewn up again :) )
I am all for population controll, i am just really over making it a female problem. It takes two to tango.

Rules depicting who'll be allowed to breed eh :killingme, that's already cumming. I guess if ya ain't gonna educate kids properly, they ain't gonna learn that respect for themselves and others that would have them consider their actions before spitting out sprogs. It'd be a shame, and a failure imho, to have to resort to turning sperm on and off.

[Akzle]

I am all for population controll, i am just really over making it a female problem. It takes two to tango.

up the bum: no babies!

[avgas]

i agree.....free vasectomies for all men of reproductive age :) (once they have proven to be reliable, accountable for the shit they do and rich enough to support their sprogs it can be reversed, they get one shot and then it gets sewn up again :) )
I am all for population controll, i am just really over making it a female problem. It takes two to tango.
Nah you don't want that. If you think women with birth control turn into sluts you ain't seen nothing with men who can't get women pregnant. Walk of shame would become a conveyor belt.

[Brian d marge]

Nah you don't want that. If you think women with birth control turn into sluts you ain't seen nothing with men who can't get women pregnant. Walk of shame would become a conveyor belt.
how does one walk this road

[bogan]

how does one walk this road

With a jaunty swagger I would think...

[yokel]

stop fucking!

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[mashman]

Mischief makers making mischief (http://rt.com/news/216511-wikileaks-cia-travel-advice/) :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

With a jaunty swagger I would think...
i can do jaunty dapper . . me swagger only appears after a bottle of me homebrew

[Brian d marge]

stop fucking!

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at my age . . .that is a very real posssibility

[yokel]

at my age . . .that is a very real posssibility

well this might upset some people, I'm actually intentional planning to have kids.

[Akzle]

I'm actually intentional planning to have kids.

fortunately, you're male, so it is not up to you.



unfortunately, wimmenz love the cock, so you're quite likely to find one that will let you.

[Brian d marge]

well this might upset some people, I'm actually intentional planning to have kids.
trust me expensive

i have 2 boys . . .and this year
xmas

2 fk off bat syt crazy rc cars

cheap . ,200 each incl controller

see how long they last . .i reckon 6 month tops then one will be broken . ,
and of course the obligatory game software

if it wasnt for me . . china would be bankrupt

[yokel]

fortunately, you're male, so it is not up to you.

unfortunately, wimmenz love the cock, so you're quite likely to find one that will let you.

No you are the male, you get the women knocked up, so it is up to you.

Wimmenz dont love cock, they need cock!


trust me expensive

i have 2 boys . . .and this year
xmas

2 fk off bat syt crazy rc cars

cheap . ,200 each incl controller

see how long they last . .i reckon 6 month tops then one will be broken . ,
and of course the obligatory game software

if it wasnt for me . . china would be bankrupt

The way I see it if you have something to complain about you're doing something wrong.

this ebook has helped shed light as to why I could never have a proper relationship with a female woman.
it's very un PC so you know its good.

http://manhood101.com/ebook.html

http://youtu.be/Jfgx51AQTUE

[Akzle]

this ebook has helped shed light as to why I could never have a proper relationship with a female woman.
it's very un PC so you know its good.

http://manhood101.com/ebook.html

http://youtu.be/Jfgx51AQTUE

you'd get a tickle out of

menarebetterthanwomen.com

[yokel]

you'd get a tickle out of

menarebetterthanwomen.com

cool site, it's funny how truth is stranger than fiction these days haha

I just had no idea that a man is meant to be in control over a woman.

from that site

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[Brian d marge]

Sir Smoke-a-lot reckons it isnt him;....

Our own work (much of which is summarized in
Caragata 1998a and 1998b) and that of several other authors from oth-
er countries supports the view that the chief causes of underground ac-
tivity and tax-evasion include high and rising tax burdens, inflation,
rising real disposable incomes, and declines in ethical standards.

[blue rider]

blah blah blah


• Thanks to the trillion or so spent on the war effort, the 1.5 million Iraqi casualties, and the 5,000 dead US soldiers, there is no longer any al Qaeda in Iraq now (just like there was under Saddam Hussein) and the country is free and democratic.
• Thanks to many years of continuous effort which cost well over half a trillion dollars and the lives of 3500 or so coalition soldiers, the Taleban in Afghanistan have been vanquished and the country is now at peace.
• The Syrian regime has been overthrown and Syria is now peaceful and democratic, and not at all a war-torn basket case that has produced over a million refugees, a large part of it ruled by Islamic militants that are too radical even for al Qaeda.
• Overall, the problem of Islamic extremism has been dealt with once for all, and George W. Bush's “Islamofascists” (remember that term?) are but a vague memory. ISIS or ISIL or the Islamic State are something else entirely, plus us bombing them sporadically at great expense has “degraded” them a tiny bit... maybe.
• Thanks to a perfectly legal and very necessary US-managed coup, Ukraine is on its way to being a stable and prosperous member of the EU and NATO, and the freedom-loving Ukrainians are no longer at all dependent on Russian gas, coal and nuclear fuel for being able to merely survive the winter of 2014-15, or on Russian good will to send in humanitarian relief convoys, house and feed the refugees from their civil war, or broker their peace agreements with each other.
• In accordance with our grand geopolitical strategy for eternal world domination, we successfully kicked Russia out of Crimea and are busy building a huge NATO military base there to make sure that Russia never becomes a great world power again but is forced to comply with our every whim.
• Thanks to our relentless diplomatic efforts, Russia is now completely isolated, which is why it can't be constantly signing gigantic trade agreements with countries around the world or championing the cause of non-western nations who don't like being pushed around by the west and have no desire to westernize.
• Our sanctions have really hurt Russia, and not at all the EU which didn't lose a huge export market and is not at all at risk of losing access to Russia's natural gas which it doesn't need anyway. Nor did they provide any sort of a huge protectionist benefit to Russia's domestic producers, or a big new export market to our economic rivals.
• Regime change in Moscow is a white ribbon's throw away, and our expensively nurtured political pets inside Russia are more popular than ever and are feeling all sorts of love from the Russian people. After all, fewer than 90% of Russians respect and support Putin for the great things he has achieved for them, so our stooges like Khodorkovsky or Kasparov should have no problem getting at least 1% in the next presidential elections, sending them straight into the Kremlin.
• Thanks to our relentless political pressure, Putin is now a chastised man, ready to be reasonable and bend to our will, and not at all saying things like “This will never happen!” in an internationally televised annual address to his nation's elected leaders. In any case, nobody listens to his speeches because our national media doesn't need cover them because they are so long and boring.


http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/defeat-is-victory.html

[blue rider]

http://i.imgur.com/uW3XOgW.jpg


nuff said

[SPman]

and as Japan slides further into the abyss.....does this mean Jap bikes might get cheaper.......


When about a month ago it was revealed that Japan's shadow economic advisor is none other than Paul Krugman (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-21/and-person-responsible-japans-economic-endgame-paul-krugman), we said it was only a matter of time before the Japanese economy implodes. Terminally. We didn't have long to wait and last night the barrage of Japanese economic data pretty much assured Japan's transition into failed Keynesian state status.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-26/game-over-japan-real-wages-crash-most-21st-century-savings-rate-turns-negative

[Ocean1]

and as Japan slides further into the abyss...

Bit of light reading:

http://blog.minitab.com/blog/data-analysis-and-quality-improvement-and-stuff/it-was-the-best-of-times-it-was-the-end-of-times

And a little less light...

http://www.amazon.com/The-End-Of-The-World-Delusion-Doomsayers-Endanger/dp/1475913540

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/

[yokel]

and as Japan slides further into the abyss.....does this mean Jap bikes might get cheaper.......



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-26/game-over-japan-real-wages-crash-most-21st-century-savings-rate-turns-negative

with a birth rate of 1.4 they are fucked

[mashman]

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/

Resources will last forever? Te dude has no depth of thought.

[carbonhed]

Resources will last forever? Te dude has no depth of thought.

Got a link to the place where he said that?

[mashman]

Got a link to the place where he said that?

You got the link.



"Yet, bizarrely, however much things improve from the way they were before, people still cling to the belief that the future will be nothing but disastrous. In this original, optimistic book, Matt Ridley puts forward his surprisingly simple answer to how humans progress, arguing that we progress when we trade and we only really trade productively when we trust each other. ".

Wait until we trust each other :killingme... why not, we've got time and unlimited resources eh.

[Brian d marge]

with a birth rate of 1.4 they are fucked
hey im doing my bit

i should go on piece work

[carbonhed]

You got the link.



The link to the website?

Not talking shit again are you Mushie?

[oldrider]

Russia doesn't want Obama's war - the puppet president's backers do! - That simply means by hook or by crook it will happen it's just a matter of when? :facepalm:

Gorbachev has released a book: http://rt.com/news/217931-gorbachev-putin-saved-russia/

Gorbachev suggests USA needs restructuring! - Have to agree: http://rt.com/news/214367-us-needs-perestroika-gorbachev/

[mashman]

The link to the website?

Not talking shit again are you Mushie?

lol, yes.

Probably.

[blue rider]

this
must
be
good
for
us


some where, surely, it is.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-12/c-cf-mil122214.php

[blue rider]

nothing to see here, move along


"I went two years without selling to a black family, and that wasn't for lack of trying," says Alston, whose business is concentrated in inner-city neighborhoods where the majority of residents are African American and Hispanic. Instead, all his buyers—every last one of them—were besuited businessmen. And weirder yet, they were all paying in cash.

Between 2005 and 2009, the mortgage crisis, fueled by racially discriminatory lending practices, destroyed 53% of African American wealth and 66% of Hispanic wealth, figures that stagger the imagination. As a result, it's safe to say that few blacks or Hispanics today are buying homes outright, in cash. Blackstone, on the other hand, doesn't have a problem fronting the money, given its $3.6 billion credit line arranged by Deutsche Bank. This money has allowed it to outbid families who have to secure traditional financing. It's also paved the way for the company to purchase a lot of homes very quickly, shocking local markets and driving prices up in a way that pushes even more families out of the game.


snip


"It's just like a residential mortgage-backed security," said one hedge-fund investor whose company does business with Blackstone. When asked why the public should expect these securities to be safe, given the fact that risky mortgage-backed securities caused the 2008 collapse, he responded, "Trust me."

For Blackstone, at least, the logic is simple. The company wants money upfront to purchase more cheap, foreclosed homes before prices rise. So it's joined forces with JP Morgan, Credit Suisse, and Deutsche Bank to bundle the rental payments of 3,207 single-family houses and sell this bond to investors with mortgages on the underlying houses offered as collateral. This is, of course, just a test case for what could become a whole new industry of rental-backed securities.



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/wall-street-buying-foreclosed-homes

[Brian d marge]

wealth transfer i told u so . .same happened in that sausage loving country back in the day

[Ocean1]

Between 2005 and 2009, the mortgage crisis, fueled by racially discriminatory lending practices, destroyed 53% of African American wealth and 66% of Hispanic wealth, figures that stagger the imagination.

Staggers belief actually. Probably because it's utter crap. In fact the discrimination had nothing to do with race, did it? The discrimination was against those who didn't pay their mortgage instalments, wasn't it? The same group govt policy changes insisted banks lent money to in the first place, regardless of the risk such loans represented, wasn't it?


As a result, it's safe to say that few blacks or Hispanics today are buying homes outright, in cash. Blackstone, on the other hand, doesn't have a problem fronting the money

Of course not, there's fuck all risk of them failing to repay the loan. Which, for rational people is in fact the lesson from the US mortgage crisis: lend money to those not likely to pay it back and you'll completely fuck the whole market, and the one's that will hurt the most are those geared highest.

You can blame people who do repay loans if it makes you feel better. But you're going to get laughed at a lot.

[Ocean1]

wealth transfer

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Brian d marge]

i dont care
just dont cry me a river when it all goes pear shaped
lets see have some saving in the bank
bail in will deal to that
have a private pension
sure hope its inflation adjusted
not relying on a state pension??? oh no

oh and try not to get sick . .thats becoming a tad dear

[husaberg]

Staggers belief actually. Probably because it's utter crap. In fact the discrimination had nothing to do with race, did it? The discrimination was against those who didn't pay their mortgage instalments, wasn't it? The same group govt policy changes insisted banks lent money to in the first place, regardless of the risk such loans represented, wasn't it?



Of course not, there's fuck all risk of them failing to repay the loan. Which, for rational people is in fact the lesson from the US mortgage crisis: lend money to those not likely to pay it back and you'll completely fuck the whole market, and the one's that will hurt the most are those geared highest.

You can blame people who do repay loans if it makes you feel better. But you're going to get laughed at a lot.

The blame lies with the lenders that lent far to much money (that was created out of thin air) to those that could not afford to pay it back. (With real money.)
The money lenders then said the finance markets and becomes were bailed out by the many(Ie taxpayers) likely with a loan made by the same money lenders.
Why because the world was convinced (by the same money lenders) that the world end with out then.
The same financial institutions them rewarded themselves with huge bonuses...........
while the tax payers were left to pick up the cheque and will be bursened witht he debt that they will never escape.
As was mentioned "Wealth Transfer"

[mashman]

WTF? Reckon the vote is representative of the u.s. or australian people? I'm betting it isn't.

UN security council rejects Palestinian statehood bid (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/30/un-security-council-rejects-palestinian-statehood-bid)

[Ocean1]

The blame lies with the lenders that lent far to much money (that was created out of thin air) to those that could not afford to pay it back. (With real money.)
The money lenders then said the finance markets and becomes were bailed out by the many(Ie taxpayers) likely with a loan made by the same money lenders.
Why because the world was convinced (by the same money lenders) that the world end with out then.
The same financial institutions them rewarded themselves with huge bonuses...........
while the tax payers were left to pick up the cheque and will be bursened witht he debt that they will never escape.
As was mentioned "Wealth Transfer"

We've done it before, dude. The money "pulled out of thin air" paid for the house, didn't it? It represented the ability of the borrower to buy the house first and earn it afterwards. Who's fault is it if the second part of that agreement fails?

The banks were trundling along perfectly happy to not lend money to borrowers that weren't likely to pay it back. Until the US govt of the day became convinced such behaviour was discriminatory against poor people, and introduced policy that essentially made them mend their evel ways.

Threatened with a suddenly toxic and ultimately un-survivable environment are you surprised they sought guarantees from govt that would spread those risks as far and as much as possible?

So rather than blame the banks for behaving prudently let's put the blame where it really lies: Governments driven by populist pressure for votes that fuck with markets for short term political gain. And those that vote themselves tidy wee hand-outs from other taxpayers in exchange for promises they never keep.

So, fuck all to do with "wealth transfer" and a lot to do with incompetence and greed.

[mashman]

We've done it before, dude. The money "pulled out of thin air" paid for the house, didn't it? It represented the ability of the borrower to buy the house first and earn it afterwards. Who's fault is it if the second part of that agreement fails?

The banks were trundling along perfectly happy to not lend money to borrowers that weren't likely to pay it back. Until the US govt of the day became convinced such behaviour was discriminatory against poor people, and introduced policy that essentially made them mend their evel ways.

Threatened with a suddenly toxic and ultimately un-survivable environment are you surprised they sought guarantees from govt that would spread those risks as far and as much as possible?

So rather than blame the banks for behaving prudently let's put the blame where it really lies: Governments driven by populist pressure for votes that fuck with markets for short term political gain. And those that vote themselves tidy wee hand-outs from other taxpayers in exchange for promises they never keep.

So, fuck all to do with "wealth transfer" and a lot to do with incompetence and greed.

You sound like an advert for the banks that lobby govts to change rules and then you blame it on the govts :killingme... pass the delusional bias on the left hand side.

Happy new year to you und family.

[husaberg]

We've done it before, dude. The money "pulled out of thin air" paid for the house, didn't it? It represented the ability of the borrower to buy the house first and earn it afterwards. Who's fault is it if the second part of that agreement fails?

The banks were trundling along perfectly happy to not lend money to borrowers that weren't likely to pay it back. Until the US govt of the day became convinced such behaviour was discriminatory against poor people, and introduced policy that essentially made them mend their evel ways.

Threatened with a suddenly toxic and ultimately un-survivable environment are you surprised they sought guarantees from govt that would spread those risks as far and as much as possible?

So rather than blame the banks for behaving prudently let's put the blame where it really lies: Governments driven by populist pressure for votes that fuck with markets for short term political gain. And those that vote themselves tidy wee hand-outs from other taxpayers in exchange for promises they never keep.

So, fuck all to do with "wealth transfer" and a lot to do with incompetence and greed.

We have done it before that part is correct. The rest is not...........other than the greed. My post was in response to your assertion.


Staggers belief actually. Probably because it's utter crap. In fact the discrimination had nothing to do with race, did it? The discrimination was against those who didn't pay their mortgage instalments, wasn't it? The same group govt policy changes insisted banks lent money to in the first place, regardless of the risk such loans represented, wasn't it?



Of course not, there's fuck all risk of them failing to repay the loan. Which, for rational people is in fact the lesson from the US mortgage crisis: lend money to those not likely to pay it back and you'll completely fuck the whole market, and the one's that will hurt the most are those geared highest.

You can blame people who do repay loans if it makes you feel better. But you're going to get laughed at a lot.

[Ocean1]

You sound like an advert for the banks that lobby govts to change rules and then you blame it on the govts :killingme... pass the delusional bias on the left hand side.

Happy new year to you und family.

I hate the whole concept of "lobby groups". To start with if they've got time to try to convince govt to bend rules in their favour they're certainly not providing their clients with as much value as those that just get on with their job.

And secondly, any activity that attempts to interfere with what should be a freely negotiated deal between a provider and a client is essentially theft. And if you look around you'll find that most such interference stems from government.

[mashman]

I hate the whole concept of "lobby groups". To start with if they've got time to try to convince govt to bend rules in their favour they're certainly not providing their clients with as much value as those that just get on with their job.

And secondly, any activity that attempts to interfere with what should be a freely negotiated deal between a provider and a client is essentially theft. And if you look around you'll find that most such interference stems from government.

lol, client value.

What, the govt isn't the most diverse organisation in the country? It's to be expected that they interfere on behalf of those who have voted them in surely... and given the want for right whinge centralisation it's an absolute necessity. Aaaaaaaand given that you voted for it, assuming you voted, you have sanctioned those practices.

[Ocean1]

lol, client value.

Work twice as long as you should for anything and then see how hard you laugh.


What, the govt isn't the most diverse organisation in the country?

What's that got to do with anything?


It's to be expected that they interfere on behalf of those who have voted them in surely...

Exactly. Which is why votes should be restricted to those who positively contribute. Why should parasites get to sell their vote to anyone promising them a larger share of the results of someone else's effort?


... and given the want for right whinge centralisation it's an absolute necessity.

Centralisation is a socialist wet dream, dude, not something most capitalists would want.


Aaaaaaaand given that you voted for it, assuming you voted, you have sanctioned those practices.

Wrong. Like most of the country I voted for whatever was required to prevent socialists damaging the country any more than they already have. Quite frankly that could have involved far more sacrifices than it has and have still been well worth the trouble.

[mashman]

Work twice as long as you should for anything and then see how hard you laugh. (I have. I'm still laughing.)

What's that got to do with anything? (More likely to be vilified by whining business. Theft indeed.)

Exactly. Which is why votes should be restricted to those who positively contribute. Why should parasites get to sell their vote to anyone promising them a larger share of the results of someone else's effort? (bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... so lobby groups are ok so long as they're doing your bidding eh... ironing)

Centralisation is a socialist wet dream, dude, not something most capitalists would want. (Yup, both fucked in the heed.)

Wrong. Like most of the country I voted for whatever was required to prevent socialists damaging the country any more than they already have. Quite frankly that could have involved far more sacrifices than it has and have still been well worth the trouble. (:killingme You gave your consent to maintain the current practice.)

Answers in green as there just ain't been a lot of green around lately.

[Ocean1]

Answers in green as there just ain't been a lot of green around lately.

Congratulations, that's got to be the most pathetically incoherent nonsense posted in ages.

[mashman]

Congratulations, that's got to be the most pathetically incoherent nonsense posted in ages.

I've stated before that your lack of understanding is not my problem. You've a brain, I suggest you try to use it.

[Ocean1]

I've stated before that your lack of understanding is not my problem. You've a brain, I suggest you try to use it.

Right. As usual it's everyone else's fault they can't understand your drivel.

[mashman]

Right. As usual it's everyone else's fault they can't understand your drivel.

Well it sure as hell ain't my eyes, ears, brain etc... reading the page and drawing nothing more than a blank. No fault, you're just not equipped to see things in a way different to your own. C'est la vie.

[Ocean1]

Well it sure as hell ain't my eyes, ears, brain etc... reading the page and drawing nothing more than a blank. No fault, you're just not equipped to see things in a way different to your own. C'est la vie.

I'm not an idiot, correct.

[mashman]

I'm not an idiot, correct.

Yet another misunderstanding.

[Brian d marge]

Yet another misunderstanding.
i would agree

I'm not an idiot, correct.
no you are not an idiot . . . ur in denial

all that stuff you have been told . . turned out to built on sand

oh well sux to be u

[mashman]

Central Banks trading in futures and rigging markets. Wonder how long that's been going on for? One reason the market is being propped up... or as the guy on telly put it "there are no markets anymore, just central bank interventions".

[oldrider]

Central Banks trading in futures and rigging markets. Wonder how long that's been going on for? One reason the market is being propped up... or as the guy on telly put it "there are no markets anymore, just central bank interventions".

Wars booms or busts - banks always not only survive but flourish! ... Moral of the story - be a banker and win! :first: (The little people/taxpayers will bail you out!)

[unstuck]

Wars booms or busts - banks always not only survive but flourish! ... Moral of the story - be a banker and win! :first: (The little people/taxpayers will bail you out!)

Know a bank manager from a rural banking outfit down here who has just resigned. Basically he is an honest guy and he is disgusted with the dishonesty and corruption Inherent within the industry.
Especially within the dairy side of things apparently.

[Brian d marge]

Wars booms or busts - banks always not only survive but flourish! ... Moral of the story - be a banker and win! :first: (The little people/taxpayers will bail you out!)
they are doing bail ins now
so if you did have any money in the bank

[oldrider]

Know a bank manager from a rural banking outfit down here who has just resigned. Basically he is an honest guy and he is disgusted with the dishonesty and corruption Inherent within the industry.
Especially within the dairy side of things apparently.

Don't know about your everyday run of the mill bank manager being corrupt? :confused: . :no:

Those at the core of the "banking industry" are either very stupid - totally corrupt - or both - pick any one and you will probably be on the money! :niceone:

[unstuck]

Don't know about your everyday run of the mill bank manager being corrupt? :confused: . :no:

Those at the core of the "banking industry" are either very stupid - totally corrupt - or both - pick any one and you will probably be on the money! :niceone:

No idea really, as they are not really the circles that I mix with. But I know him well and he is a decent sort, and I have no reason to doubt his word.
Nothing surprises me where there are large sums of money at stake, on the legit side or the criminal side, greed does strange things to people, that I do know.:scratch:

[oldrider]

No idea really, as they are not really the circles that I mix with. But I know him well and he is a decent sort, and I have no reason to doubt his word.
Nothing surprises me where there are large sums of money at stake, on the legit side or the criminal side, greed does strange things to people, that I do know.:scratch:

True! You should observe people when they first look into a dish full of raw gold - remarkable to say the least! :weird: (Gold fever no less!) :wacko:

[Akzle]

jews (israel) taxes palestinians.... Does not provide services.

Most days of the week this is called theft.

Oh yeah, its cos teh jews dont want to be held to account under international lore.

Lulz!

[unstuck]

True! You should observe people when they first look into a dish full of raw gold - remarkable to say the least! :weird: (Gold fever no less!) :wacko:

Met a fella that was working a small gold dredge between The nevis and Nokomai on friday, he was looking really paranoid that we were after his gold. He was shocked that there was anyone else in the area obviously(pretty remote and hard to get in to). And he was an Aussie too, should have gone back and claimed it all for Ngati pakeha.:shifty:

[mashman]

Netanyahu: Israel 'won't let its soldiers be dragged' to ICC (http://www.rt.com/news/219735-israel-soldiers-icc-netanyahu/)... so, fuck off world.

[oldrider]

jews (israel) taxes palestinians.... Does not provide services.

Most days of the week this is called theft.

Oh yeah, its cos teh jews dont want to be held to account under international lore.

Lulz!

Oh Yeah, how did New Zealand vote on "that" UN resolution?

Along with the Israel and USA (AIPAC http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/celebrates-dramatically-strengthen ) automatically I suppose! :sick:

Read and look at the link and understand why I refer to "THE UNITED STATES OF ISRAEL"! - Israel is the tail that wags the USA dog! :shifty: People don't know that! :shutup:

In the UN John Key will be prioritising and serving New Zealand needs first as is his government's want! (or will it be Israel and America's want?) :corn:

[avgas]

In the UN John Key will be prioritising and serving New Zealand needs first as is his government's want! (or will it be Israel and America's want?) :corn:
Not that NZ can escape that fate. Who is it that currently has very good standing to be head of UN??????
If you are lucky Mr Key will go against anything she proposes.......because she used to be the opposition.

But I doubt it. His nose is as brown as hers.

[oldrider]

Not that NZ can escape that fate. Who is it that currently has very good standing to be head of UN??????
If you are lucky Mr Key will go against anything she proposes.......because she used to be the opposition.

But I doubt it. His nose is as brown as hers.

TRUE! - But who did he consult with immediately after his party "became"* the government? - They were like a couple of dogs circling in the street! (UN actually)

* There was an election to see who would be "involved" but then there were meetings (of politicians only) to decide who "became" the government!

Subtle difference between elected by the people and selected among your peers but there is a difference IMHO! - Loyal to each other not the voters! :kick:

[Brian d marge]

TRUE! - But who did he consult with immediately after his party "became"* the government? - They were like a couple of dogs circling in the street! (UN actually)

* There was an election to see who would be "involved" but then there were meetings (of politicians only) to decide who "became" the government!

Subtle difference between elected by the people and selected among your peers but there is a difference IMHO! - Loyal to each other not the voters! :kick:
got to protect that position of power . .cant let actual ideals get in the way

[mashman]

How the NHS silenced a whistleblowing doctor (http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9407312/the-curious-case-of-meirion-thomas/)

[Ocean1]

How the NHS silenced a whistleblowing doctor (http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9407312/the-curious-case-of-meirion-thomas/)

It might come as a shock to you, but doctors aren't entirely disinterested in how health dollars are spent. In many cases that more or less disqualifies them from holding a credible opinion on the topic.

He's on the money about foreign nationals spending up large on local taxpayers heath budgets though, health "holidays" are endemic here too.

[mashman]

It might come as a shock to you, but doctors aren't entirely disinterested in how health dollars are spent. In many cases that more or less disqualifies them from holding a credible opinion on the topic.

He's on the money about foreign nationals spending up large on local taxpayers heath budgets though, health "holidays" are endemic here too.

lol, no shock in the slightest. I deplore the treatment that Thomas received, the last 2 paragraphs summing it up pretty well. Not sure why you say that all but disqualifies doctors from having a credible opinion?

No doubt, but how else are people supposed to get treated when it's cheaper to travel to the u.k. to receive treatment than it is to seek treatment in their own country? Something slightly wrong there and I know what it is :yes:

[Ocean1]

lol, no shock in the slightest. I deplore the treatment that Thomas received, the last 2 paragraphs summing it up pretty well. Not sure why you say that all but disqualifies doctors from having a credible opinion?

What makes their opinions about health funding and management ever so slightly dodgy is their tendency, given half a chance to spend it on doctors wages. I know several consultants, for example who are paid by a health board for a full time position, and yet they have a consultancy earning more than their full time wages. Spot the discrepancy.


No doubt, but how else are people supposed to get treated when it's cheaper to travel to the u.k. to receive treatment than it is to seek treatment in their own country? Something slightly wrong there and I know what it is :yes:

Indeed. They failed to earn enough to pay for their own care at home. And by bludging off those that did earn enough they're denying them the treatment they bought and paid for. Fuckem.

[oldrider]

Bush out Obama in - Oh look another Bush (Jeb) is approaching!

Obama? http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9403672/barack-obama-anatomy-of-a-failure/ :confused: NO - He didn't do anything! :killingme

[mashman]

What makes their opinions about health funding and management ever so slightly dodgy is their tendency, given half a chance to spend it on doctors wages. I know several consultants, for example who are paid by a health board for a full time position, and yet they have a consultancy earning more than their full time wages. Spot the discrepancy.

Indeed. They failed to earn enough to pay for their own care at home. And by bludging off those that did earn enough they're denying them the treatment they bought and paid for. Fuckem.

Woooooooah, hang on there. You're saying that the doctors don't deserve it? and I'm assuming that they work as a consultant and should also be paid for it? That discrepancy?

Irony overload given the above. No treatment is being denied. Sure it may make waiting lists a little longer, but hey, what's a little queue jumping when a person is in desperate need of treatment... especially considering the private insurance customers and practitioners getting priority use of public services. Maybe they should wait in the queue like everyone else?

[Brian d marge]

Bush out Obama in - Oh look another Bush (Jeb) is approaching!

Obama? http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9403672/barack-obama-anatomy-of-a-failure/ :confused: NO - He didn't do anything! :killingme
depends who spends the most money
and what outcome the monsantos want

[unstuck]

https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10915236_10152956101823908_2942820483325673990_n.p ng?oh=7885fb4bffce2e5202823dde1447b38c&oe=5544791B

[oldrider]

depends who spends the most money
and what outcome the monsantos want

AIPAC has access to limitless money to "lobby" for whatever they want congress and/or the president to do for Israel - and they do it!

Here's how it all works for them: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/celebrates-dramatically-strengthen - final outcome? - The united States of Israel. :eek:

[mashman]

AIPAC has access to limitless money to "lobby" for whatever they want congress and/or the president to do for Israel - and they do it!

Here's how it all works for them: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/celebrates-dramatically-strengthen - final outcome? - The united States of Israel. :eek:

The comments are a pretty interesting read too.

[Akzle]

should have gone back and claimed it all for Ngati pakeha.:shifty:

i think youll find its pronounced ngati waiti

[Brian d marge]

1.2.3 .4
Hugo Stinnes knew the score

http://www.darientimes.com/38651/rickards-warren-buffett-and-hugo-stinnes/?utm_source=Darien+Times&utm_campaign=63ced6a29e-DT_ONLINE_TODAY_10_07_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cb113cb6cc-63ced6a29e-193286941

as does our Warren

[Brian d marge]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/HmH0IPHg14s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Dumb arse kiwi of the year ........

Stephen

[oldrider]

America - Obama - and sanctions! - Yes, sanctions on North Korea over Sony hacking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IOSE0v5z5z0

John Stewart tells it like it really is - a freaking joke! :killingme

[yokel]

America - Obama - and sanctions! - Yes, sanctions on North Korea over Sony hacking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IOSE0v5z5z0

John Stewart tells it like it really is - a freaking joke! :killingme

do you think that it is just by chance that a comedy show is the only media that is allowed to intelligently criticise the government?

[Brian d marge]

do you think that it is just by chance that a comedy show is the only media that is allowed to intelligently criticise the government?

I would like to think , us here at KB do a good Job


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30707644

Oh how I LoLed

strange , how they say deflation is such a bad thing ........Sux to be a government trying to pay down debt ..hahahahahahaa

Stephen

[oldrider]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30707644

Oh how I LoLed

strange , how they say deflation is such a bad thing ........Sux to be a government trying to pay down debt ..hahahahahahaa

Stephen

When it's going well it's for the government to enjoy - when it's going bad it's the people's problem - who will be responsible if/when dairy collapses in NZ? :shit:

[unstuck]

who will be responsible if/when dairy collapses in NZ? :shit:

The cows of course.:innocent:

[mashman]

They're not all gonna fit in my courtyard. (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/economists-descend-wellington-175442007.html)

[unstuck]

They're not all gonna fit in my courtyard. (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/economists-descend-wellington-175442007.html)

Should be easy enough to take em all out in one go.:devil2:

[mashman]

Should be easy enough to take em all out in one go.:devil2:

Just let me get the wife and kids out of the house first... oh ok, and the M.I.L

I'll stay to make sure none of them escape.

[unstuck]

Just let me get the wife and kids out of the house first... oh ok, and the M.I.L

I'll stay to make sure none of them escape.

WTF, why the hell have you not got them insured, Imagine the toys you could buy with the payout.:weird:

[Brian d marge]

They're not all gonna fit in my courtyard. (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/economists-descend-wellington-175442007.html)

I thought the comedy festival was held in Edinburgh

Stephen

[mashman]

WTF, why the hell have you not got them insured, Imagine the toys you could buy with the payout.:weird:

They are... however they're more useful to the economy as they buy more stuff than me.

[mashman]

I thought the comedy festival was held in Edinburgh

Stephen

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa I don't think people find 'em that funny these days.

[mashman]

‘Blair may face war crimes charges’ – Liberal Democrat peer (http://www.rt.com/uk/220539-blair-war-crimes-iraq/)... MAY? He has already been tried in Malaysia, yet hasn't been turned over. If that had have been a Middle Eastern leader they'd have been hunted down and dragged there kicking and screaming or murdered. Good old whitey protecting his own eh.

But the Chilcot report is finally ready :facepalm:

[Scuba_Steve]

Rich people are more likely to theft... go figure


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzoS208dh0

[mashman]

Oil below $49 as sector faces its 'Hunger Games' (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-below-49-sector-faces-095604326.html)

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa gotta love the headline. The content is pretty fuckin funny too. Obviously, for the hard of hearing, that's sarcasm.

[oldrider]

The USA appears to be manipulating oil prices in the same manner that they did targeting Japan pre-WW2 in the Pacific creating the Pacific theater of WW2!

Who on earth needs enemies with friends like the USA and Israel? - (Israel appears determined to destabilize and attack Iran, it's when rather than if)

Creating WW3 and blaming Russia and Iran as the main aggressors appear to be the current tactics!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F-6l9Ne6PZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbc5b9Yqdc

[mashman]

"More than 100 people were slaughtered in the northeastern Nigerian town of Baga over the weekend, according to its district chief, Abba Hassan. Hassan made the comments in a telephone conference for journalists, according to Reuters. Some 16 towns and villages were destroyed in the siege over the weekend, an official told AFP. “They [Boko Haram] burnt to the ground all the 16 towns and villages, including Baga, Doron-Baga, Mile 4, Mile 3, Kauyen Kuros, and Bunduram,” Musa Bukar, head of the Kukawa local government area, said."

[Brian d marge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mhj-j0z-fk

How to fk up an economy

by uncle Norm

Some good points ......

Stephen

oh and this is a good listen to

long , and the book may be better as there is a lot of points that need looking into

http://youtu.be/dvJozNVuRJY

[mashman]

Will get to the top Noam later.

oh and this is a good listen to

long , and the book may be better as there is a lot of points that need looking into

http://youtu.be/dvJozNVuRJY

I read the book. It's nothing you won't already know.

[Brian d marge]

I read the book. It's nothing you won't already know.
i dont know wanking into the sugar was a new take on an old idea

[mashman]

i dont know wanking into the sugar was a new take on an old idea

I don't remember that bit. Not that parts weren't funny, but I were looking for something new as he looks to mix with an eclectic group of people. I gave it to a friend and she's loving it.

[Brian d marge]

got me somerich abbos now
oh my bad whitey got there first
http://www.lincenergy.com/sapex_shale_oil.php

[mashman]

Netanyahu to French Jews: ‘Come home to Israel from terrible European anti-Semitism’ (http://www.rt.com/news/221499-israel-pm-immigration-france/). Where is the evidence for this so called widespread use of anti-semitism?

[Akzle]

Netanyahu to French Jews: ‘Come home to Israel from terrible European anti-Semitism’ (http://www.rt.com/news/221499-israel-pm-immigration-france/). Where is the evidence for this so called widespread use of anti-semitism?

and fly malasia airlines eh >_>

[mashman]

and fly malasia airlines eh >_>

They'll need the money.

[Brian d marge]

what did the nice musi do to fk off the yanks

[puddytat]

and fly malasia airlines eh >_>

Train tickets........you can pack more in.

[oldrider]

USA Presidential candidate? Had anyone ever heard of him?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1xHiMa4B8Y - :no: Funny that!

Merlin Miller:http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Merlin_Miller

Reason for posting this? - Don't think I had (consciously) heard of this guy until just now at the end of a totally unrelated YouTube video clip!

I wondered if anyone else had ever heard of him? I thought there were only two candidates and their respective deputies! :yes:

I see that he is going to stand again in 2016 - wonder if we will ever hear of him then? :shifty:

He is going up against everybody who is considered anybody in USA politics and they have unlimited money and media backing them! :brick: Interesting watch perhaps!

[Brian d marge]

historically he who spends the most wins

[Brian d marge]

MON 810 is marketed by US biotech giant Monsanto and is modified to be resistant to the European corn borer, a damaging insect pest.

Hey Europe hows the new law going ....see big business is still holding power

she will be right mate ..no worries

Stephen

[Akzle]

nz. A 'first world oecd' country.
But with slow interweb.

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25984533/net-speeds-up-in-nz-slows-in-oz/

Also. Korea owns teh internet.

[puddytat]

Well my internet speed has definitely fucking got slower, plus my SMS no longer works (hasn't for over a year & they cant seem to fix it).....thanks a fucking lot Vodascum , the only reason we havnt sorted it is we got a good deal (we thought) at the time & when ever we've talked to some wally well its way fuckin expensiverer.
I could watch torrents 2 years ago....cant now.
My mate in town whose on Broadband says his speed has drastically dropped. Must be because all thos spies spying & having to monitor the massive increase of all the anti Dewww speech.

[Akzle]

Well my internet speed has definitely fucking got slower, plus my SMS no longer works (hasn't for over a year & they cant seem to fix it).....thanks a fucking lot Vodascum , the only reason we havnt sorted it is we got a good deal (we thought) at the time & when ever we've talked to some wally well its way fuckin expensiverer.
I could watch torrents 2 years ago....cant now.
My mate in town whose on Broadband says his speed has drastically dropped. Must be because all thos spies spying & having to monitor the massive increase of all the anti Dewww speech.

apparently slowness is inversely proportianal to how big a cunt you are.

My internets is as fast as ever :whistle:

[mashman]

Women out: Ultra-Orthodox Jewish paper edits Merkel out of Paris march (http://www.rt.com/news/222267-merkel-out-march-paper/)

China and Russia to launch new credit rating agency in 2015 (http://www.rt.com/business/222175-russia-china-rating-agency/)

[oldrider]

Women out: Ultra-Orthodox Jewish paper edits Merkel out of Paris march (http://www.rt.com/news/222267-merkel-out-march-paper/)

China and Russia to launch new credit rating agency in 2015 (http://www.rt.com/business/222175-russia-china-rating-agency/)

Manipulating the chess pieces into position to justify WW3 and/or it's foreplay sibling World Terrorist Control Incorporated! :sick:

[mashman]

Manipulating the chess pieces into position to justify WW3 and/or it's foreplay sibling World Terrorist Control Incorporated! :sick:

Wonder if they've figured out how to sell it yet?

[Akzle]

World Terrorist Control Incorporated! :sick:

they're renaming the UN again??

[Akzle]

China and Russia to launch new credit rating agency in 2015 (http://www.rt.com/business/222175-russia-china-rating-agency/)

that is fucking gold!!


or... you know, silver, or plutonium or whatever the fuck yardstick the ruskies use...

...vodka probably. fucking bring on the ruskies.

[mashman]

that is fucking gold!!


or... you know, silver, or plutonium or whatever the fuck yardstick the ruskies use...

...vodka probably. fucking bring on the ruskies.

It (whatever from it may take, digital coin, cough cough, digital coin) 'll be backed by the same old thing it always has been back by. Five fucks of five fifths of fucks of fuck all point fuck. China, well Hong Kong, is very well placed as a central hub for digital transactions according to Maxxxxy Boy De Keiser. And they're starting to push since an exchange now exists that accepts the various digital currency's and turns them into $(or whatever you like probably), all using a very handy card. :yawn:. Could be one way for a person to not have to use the man's mechanism.

[Akzle]

It (whatever from it may take, digital coin, cough cough, digital coin) 'll be backed by the same old thing it always has been back by. Five fucks of five fifths of fucks of fuck all point fuck. China, well Hong Kong, is very well placed as a central hub for digital transactions according to Maxxxxy Boy De Keiser. And they're starting to push since an exchange now exists that accepts the various digital currency's and turns them into $(or whatever you like probably), all using a very handy card. :yawn:. Could be one way for a person to not have to use the man's mechanism.

but.... there3's shitloads of vodkja..

[mashman]

but.... there3's shitloads of vodkja..

and there always will be... which is nice for them girlz that drinkz it.

[Brian d marge]

I see the Media portraying a certain race is under threat again ....and that media is working overtime ...to push their agenda ..... WW3 not if but when me thinks ..... any caves in NZ I can hide in !!!

[puddytat]

I see the Media portraying a certain race is under threat again ....and that media is working overtime ...to push their agenda ..... WW3 not if but when me thinks ..... any caves in NZ I can hide in !!!

There's a pretty deep one under Mt Owen, which being in the southern Isle means you wont need to worry about dealing with the Zombies that'll stream out of Orcland...

[mashman]

French Authorities Demonstrate Defense of Free Speech by Arresting 54 People for Free Speech (http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/01/14/french-authorities-demonstrate-defense-of-free-speech-by-arresting-54-people-for-free-speech/)

[blue rider]

and another one bites the dust


blah blah blah

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-15/new-zealand-currency-broker-closes-on-losses-after-swiss-shock.html

[Brian d marge]

and another one bites the dust


blah blah blah

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-15/new-zealand-currency-broker-closes-on-losses-after-swiss-shock.html
read about that this morning
wasnt sure of the mechanics of it all

but some things afoot

if the cost of japans debt increases . some say 4%

its game over for japan . . . i tell ya that cave or a council house in tokaroa .same thing really . . is looking good

[Brian d marge]

tin hats on folks . . .i ve just thought of a doozie

every country that has opposed that bacon hating place that have the awesomest weapons . . .more or less has had something happen to em

norway shootings malaysia . . where are my planes

now france . . .teach u for recognising palastine . or what ever they did a few weeks back

once . . yeah ok . .
twice . .might be a fire but no smoke

three times excluding 9.11 we wont go there

now i kinda am seeing signs of smoke from a possible link . .

one does wonder one does


tin hats off . , the all clear has sounded

[oldrider]

2015 to be an interesting year according to Washington? :http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/29/washington-has-shaped-2015-to-be-a-year-of-conflict-the-conflict-could-be-intense.html

[mashman]

Israel strikes Hezbollah convoy in Syria (http://www.rt.com/news/223899-israel-hezbollah-strike-syria/)

[mashman]

Miss Lebanon in hot water after selfie with Miss Israel (https://nz.lifestyle.yahoo.com/beauty/trends/article/-/26031512/miss-lebanon-in-hot-water-after-selfie-with-miss-israel/)