Stupid World

[bogan]

which brings us roundly back to the point of the thing.
now bog, since yafm can't explain this shit, maybe you could have a bash.. the whole "world owes three times more than there is" thing... hm?

Sounds like bullshit to me. Three times more of what?


Easy:

There is untapped, un-calculated Resource (Human, Mineral and Time) that is ignored in that equation. Also on that note - if you own a Billion Dollar beach front property and there is a Tsunami and it is raised to the ground - is the "There is" lost?

You and I both know that in a closed system, it's not lost, it's just been transformed from elegant and desirable structures down to it's base minerals, that will be deposited, ready to be re-used again.

But in the Financial equation, that is a Billion dollars worth of debt with no 'There is' attached to it anymore.

Simpler than that, banks lend some company's some shit, some companys lend that out to some blokes, who lend it to some other blokes. Boom, money loaned is now 3x more than there is of it.

[Akzle]

Sounds like bullshit to me.
well, i thought so too.




Simpler than that, banks lend some company's some shit, some companys lend that out to some blokes, who lend it to some other blokes. Boom, money loaned is now 3x more than there is of it.

:killingme... banks... lending... money!
funny guy.

aww pet. you gots some lerning due.

[mashman]

Yet to accomplish that, you would need to focus on increasing understanding, starting with your own...

I disagree, in the same way the country can invest in healthcare, roading, etc, it invests in the lazy. Whether you agree with the term used, the fact remains that the money given to the poor, is never fully returned by your definition of their consumerism being a contribution, so there is always a loss.

:yawn:

Ok.

[oldrider]

Nicholas II, the last tsar, deposed and hurriedly murdered alongside his wife and children (pictured) by the Bolsheviks in 1918. :2guns:

https://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21693175-cruel-story-hereditary-power-long-they-ruled?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/longtheyruled "Cui bono" :scratch:

[Brian d marge]

Nicholas II, the last tsar, deposed and hurriedly murdered alongside his wife and children (pictured) by the Bolsheviks in 1918. :2guns:

https://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21693175-cruel-story-hereditary-power-long-they-ruled?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/longtheyruled "Cui bono" :scratch:

Well , ya cant annoy the boyz
and ya cant get on with the plan if people get in the way .

just shows ya what and how evil these people are ! ( the ones that shot the Tsar )

[oldrider]

Well then it moved on over to China etc etc - Henry has a good handle on why and what for! https://www.henrymakow.com/ :corn:

[mashman]

As Cities Grow Worldwide, So Do the Numbers of Homeless (http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/cities-grow-worldwide-so-do-numbers-homeless)... rockstar economy, er, yeah but nah.

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/HomelessnessHomelessChanieJuly2017.jpg

[bogan]

As Cities Grow Worldwide, So Do the Numbers of Homeless (http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/cities-grow-worldwide-so-do-numbers-homeless)... rockstar economy, er, yeah but nah.

So many issues like that seem to sidestep the bigger issue, population growth, how long should this go on unchecked? and the other side issue shown in their sob-story, should we be more active in curbing the poor decision making of welfare beneficiaries?

[Akzle]

, should we be more active in curbing the poor decision making of welfare beneficiaries?

whaddaya gonna do? vote for the other ones??? :laugh:

stupid cunt.

[Katman]

stupid cunt.

Quoted for emphasis.

[bogan]

whaddaya gonna do? vote for the other ones??? :laugh:

stupid cunt.

Well since you turned up, how are you with debt? does most of your benefit get clipped off for fines and unpaid loans before you get it each week?


Quoted for emphasis.

and where would we be without the fan club...

[mashman]

As Cities Grow Worldwide, So Do the Numbers of Homeless (http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/cities-grow-worldwide-so-do-numbers-homeless)... rockstar economy, er, yeah but nah.

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/HomelessnessHomelessChanieJuly2017.jpg


So many issues like that seem to sidestep the bigger issue, population growth, how long should this go on unchecked? and the other side issue shown in their sob-story, should we be more active in curbing the poor decision making of welfare beneficiaries?

Overpopulation is the lazy capitalists excuse (http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/Texas.html). The problem, as an awful lot of people have been saying for a very long time, is money and the pathetic culture that it creates. We can grow food in the desert. We can generate power from the desert. We can generate power from the mountains etc... yet it's the logistics that money enforces that prevent these things from happening. And while we piss about deciding whether we should, because we know that we can, we waste even more resources that could actually go into turning the entire planet into a sustainable heaven were people only have to work a few hours a week instead of having to wait for 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70 years to get to a point where they're allowed to enjoy more free time.

This is a long read, but it's a damned good read (https://libcom.org/history/hunter-gatherers-mythology-market-john-gowdy). It's well referenced too.

[sidecar bob]

And while we piss about deciding whether we should, because we know that we can, we waste even more resources that could actually go into turning the entire planet into a sustainable heaven were people only have to work a few hours a week instead of having to wait for 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70 years to get to a point where they're allowed to enjoy more free time.
.

Nobody has to wait until even 65 to enjoy a little more free time.
It's the ingrained belief that you can only retire at the age that the govt is prepared to offer you a pittance for your efforts over the years that keeps people working until that age.
It's the biggest con job ever.
If they cancelled the pension, people would get off their arses & make shit happen & surprise the shit outta themselves to discover that they had done well enough by age 50 to support themselves comfortably for the rest of their lives.

[Ocean1]

Hey, they've got as much right to be homeless as anyone else, leave the poor cunts alone.

[bogan]

As Cities Grow Worldwide, So Do the Numbers of Homeless (http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/cities-grow-worldwide-so-do-numbers-homeless)... rockstar economy, er, yeah but nah.



Overpopulation is the lazy capitalists excuse (http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/Texas.html). The problem, as an awful lot of people have been saying for a very long time, is money and the pathetic culture that it creates. We can grow food in the desert. We can generate power from the desert. We can generate power from the mountains etc... yet it's the logistics that money enforces that prevent these things from happening. And while we piss about deciding whether we should, because we know that we can, we waste even more resources that could actually go into turning the entire planet into a sustainable heaven were people only have to work a few hours a week instead of having to wait for 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70 years to get to a point where they're allowed to enjoy more free time.

This is a long read, but it's a damned good read (https://libcom.org/history/hunter-gatherers-mythology-market-john-gowdy). It's well referenced too.

And blaming money for everything is the Lazy stupid worlder's excuse. Seriously, if money is so bad, and so much more can be done without it, just do it already, you (and those awful lot of people to which you refer) are the only road block to doing that NOW.
Population growth certainly is creating issues of resource scarcity, and putting increased load on the supply chains for those resources. Another option is to simply limit those resources as per communism, greatly simplifying their supply, and greatly lowering the volume; now if that could be done without affecting choice it'd be a goer, but barring a large uptake of subscription model business, I don't see that happening.

[Akzle]

Well since you turned up, how are you with debt? does most of your benefit get clipped off for fines and unpaid loans before you get it each week?
...

no to all three. but thanks for asking.

all currency is debt. btw. dumbass.

[bogan]

no to all three. but thanks for asking.

all currency is debt. btw. dumbass.

Good for you.

Just as all debts are assets, and all assets are things, and all fligs are florgs, etc etc. Sometimes, words are actually use for communicating, rather than miscommunicating...

<img src="//imgs.xkcd.com/comics/communicating.png" title="You're saying that the responsibility for avoiding miscommunication lies entirely with the listener, not the speaker, which explains why you haven't been able to convince anyone to help you down from that wall." alt="Communicating" srcset="//imgs.xkcd.com/comics/communicating_2x.png 2x">

[Akzle]

Good for you.

Just as all debts are assets, and all assets are things, and all fligs are florgs, etc etc. Sometimes, words are actually use for communicating, rather than miscommunicating...>

i'm pretty sure we're all clear on the "stupid cunt" and "dumbass" as it applies to you... which just leaves all those other things you're unclear about. but, stupid is as stupid does and willful ignorance etcetera.

[Katman]

i'm pretty sure we're all clear on the "stupid cunt" and "dumbass" as it applies to you....

Quoted just in case anyone isn't clear on it.

[bogan]

i'm pretty sure we're all clear on the "stupid cunt" and "dumbass" as it applies to you... which just leaves all those other things you're unclear about. but, stupid is as stupid does and willful ignorance etcetera.


Quoted just in case anyone isn't clear on it.

Put some fucking effort in guys, some of the insults on here actually used to be amusing, this shit is just sad.

[mashman]

Nobody has to wait until even 65 to enjoy a little more free time.
It's the ingrained belief that you can only retire at the age that the govt is prepared to offer you a pittance for your efforts over the years that keeps people working until that age.
It's the biggest con job ever.
If they cancelled the pension, people would get off their arses & make shit happen & surprise the shit outta themselves to discover that they had done well enough by age 50 to support themselves comfortably for the rest of their lives.

It's the lack of money that prevents people from retiring earlier. Not everyone can earn enough to throw thousands into their pension every month, because they simply don't get paid thousands per month. And the only reason that some do have thousands to put away each month is that there are those who don't. That's one of the con jobs. The belief that one can do it, therefore so can another. Yet not everyone can be CEO or even a manager as there simply aren't that number of positions. And even if there were, who's gonna actually do the work?
If they cancelled the pension, which is going to happen BTW (if only to be replaced by a UBI), then there wouldn't be enough jobs and therefore not enough money to go around without causing all sorts of inflationary issues... which by default then affects the value of the $ that the richer people have retied on and so on and so forth. So nah, what you're saying is demonstrably unfeasible for a fair chunk of any population on the basis that they don't get paid enough to put the $ away required to retire comfortably. I managed it at 44, but then I was paid quite handsomely, to such an extent that I can't even claim support from the govt for another 20+ years lol.

[mashman]

Hey, they've got as much right to be homeless as anyone else, leave the poor cunts alone.

Thanks for the almost giggle Milton Mises Smith.

[Ocean1]

Thanks for the almost giggle Milton Mises Smith.

Well, you know I'm all about choice.

Lazy cunts choose to live under a bridge who the fuck are you to interfere?

[mashman]

And blaming money for everything is the Lazy stupid worlder's excuse. Seriously, if money is so bad, and so much more can be done without it, just do it already, you (and those awful lot of people to which you refer) are the only road block to doing that NOW.
Population growth certainly is creating issues of resource scarcity, and putting increased load on the supply chains for those resources. Another option is to simply limit those resources as per communism, greatly simplifying their supply, and greatly lowering the volume; now if that could be done without affecting choice it'd be a goer, but barring a large uptake of subscription model business, I don't see that happening.

Not even close. As I've mentioned before, if your society will give me everything I want for free, then I will live that way. Your society won't allow it without $. So your assertion is moronic and shows absolutely no understanding of how an RBE works. In other words, if all of the RBE advocates got together to attempt living that way, they couldn't afford the land required nor the technology to facilitate that way of living. The only thing that's scarce is money. What choice? The choice to shaft future generations, coz any way you slice that that's exactly what you're saying and your constant choice not to accept that fact underlines that choice. Good for you.

[mashman]

Well, you know I'm all about choice.

No, I don't. Is that a recent change?

[mashman]

Just as all debts are assets

:killingme... but they're not. Not even remotely close.

[bogan]

Not even close. As I've mentioned before, if your society will give me everything I want for free, then I will live that way. Your society won't allow it without $. So your assertion is moronic and shows absolutely no understanding of how an RBE works. In other words, if all of the RBE advocates got together to attempt living that way, they couldn't afford the land required nor the technology to facilitate that way of living. The only thing that's scarce is money. What choice? The choice to shaft future generations, coz any way you slice that that's exactly what you're saying and your constant choice not to accept that fact underlines that choice. Good for you.

Do it yourself you lazy fuck, 'my' society owes you nothing. You've admitted you're retired by 44, you keep telling us how much more efficient 'your' system is (it's not an RBE, don't insult Fresco by claiming it is), how much more resource you'd have in 'your' system, so what's actually the hold up in getting it going? You need to be owed some massive fund from 'my' society to kick it off :killingme satirists would struggle to make this shit up, it's that pathetic. Technology is cheap, land is fucking cheap; if you think the capitalist society makes them prohibitively expensive, maybe don't stop work at 44 :laugh: I'm not even 35 and I can afford both.

[mashman]

As Cities Grow Worldwide, So Do the Numbers of Homeless (http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/cities-grow-worldwide-so-do-numbers-homeless)... rockstar economy, er, yeah but nah.

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/HomelessnessHomelessChanieJuly2017.jpg

The free market ecp in action. Ya'll should vote for more money, coz it's bound to work... after all NZ has never been so wealthy, and that's obviously come at the expense of housing people and providing various other basics... but hey, worry about your choices eh.

[Voltaire]

Nobody has to wait until even 65 to enjoy a little more free time.
It's the ingrained belief that you can only retire at the age that the govt is prepared to offer you a pittance for your efforts over the years that keeps people working until that age.
It's the biggest con job ever.
If they cancelled the pension, people would get off their arses & make shit happen & surprise the shit outta themselves to discover that they had done well enough by age 50 to support themselves comfortably for the rest of their lives.

I thought religion was the biggest con job ever.

Wished I had worked harder when I was young instead of buggering off overseas for a decade.....

Still...working in an office is not too bad when your Boss only comes over from Sydney once a year to see how its going

and you spend three nights out sampling craft beers :banana:

[bogan]

:killingme... but they're not. Not even remotely close.

They actually are, a debt is an asset when it is owed to you; it's a basic financial definition. It's why people/companies buy debts; there's actually a whole predatory market around it.

[mashman]

Do it yourself you lazy fuck, 'my' society owes you nothing. You've admitted you're retired by 44, you keep telling us how much more efficient 'your' system is (it's not an RBE, don't insult Fresco by claiming it is), how much more resource you'd have in 'your' system, so what's actually the hold up in getting it going? You need to be owed some massive fund from 'my' society to kick it off :killingme satirists would struggle to make this shit up, it's that pathetic. Technology is cheap, land is fucking cheap; if you think the capitalist society makes them prohibitively expensive, maybe don't stop work at 44 :laugh: I'm not even 35 and I can afford both.

Well your society have claimed my resources and threaten me with jail if I take what I want. Pretty tricky to do anything without money. But by all means deny it. Funny though, the greenhouse unstitched itself the other night, so I have to find another few hundy to replace it in order to maintain my own food production. Poor kids that'll have to go without eh. In an RBE, I never claimed it was full blown RBE and that's your problem humpty, I would receive a replacement without anyone having to lose something. Oh ironies@your description of pathetic by comparison. But I do love your denial.

[Voltaire]

The World’s 8 Richest Men Are Now as Wealthy as Half the World’s Population

http://fortune.com/2017/01/16/world-richest-men-income-equality/

Gates, Inditex founder Amancio Ortega, veteran investor Warren Buffett, Mexico's Carlos Slim, Amazon boss Jeff Bezos, Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg, Oracle's Larry Ellison and former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg

they must have subscribed to sidecarBobs get off your arse theory, although poor old Warren is still toiling away at 85+

[mashman]

They actually are, a debt is an asset when it is owed to you; it's a basic financial definition. It's why people/companies buy debts; there's actually a whole predatory market around it.

Oh dear... two words: Unsecured Debt.

[bogan]

Well your society have claimed my resources and threaten me with jail if I take what I want. Pretty tricky to do anything without money. But by all means deny it. Funny though, the greenhouse unstitched itself the other night, so I have to find another few hundy to replace it in order to maintain my own food production. Poor kids that'll have to go without eh. In an RBE, I never claimed it was full blown RBE and that's your problem humpty, I would receive a replacement without anyone having to lose something. Oh ironies@your description of pathetic by comparison. But I do love your denial.

Ah that old chesnut, they're your resources NOW are they? Don't be so focused on the money thing, in an actual RBE, people would be making greenhouse stitchings to go around, and people with greenhouses would be making food to going around (you are spreading it around so the poor kids don't go without right?). Your lack of money, and ability to get whatever the fuck it is you're on about off the ground are both symptoms of the same thing, your lack of production; stop asking for all these handouts and go earn it until the price becomes irrelevant, that's how an RBE will start, and that is how the financial system will end; there's actually already a hell of a lot of people living it within the financial system.

[bogan]

Oh dear... two words: Unsecured Debt.

Is still an asset. Thanks for playing.

[mashman]

Is still an asset. Thanks for playing.

Nope... that's secured debt. It's called unsecured for a reason.

[mashman]

Ah that old chesnut, they're your resources NOW are they? Don't be so focused on the money thing, in an actual RBE, people would be making greenhouse stitchings to go around, and people with greenhouses would be making food to going around (you are spreading it around so the poor kids don't go without right?). Your lack of money, and ability to get whatever the fuck it is you're on about off the ground are both symptoms of the same thing, your lack of production; stop asking for all these handouts and go earn it until the price becomes irrelevant, that's how an RBE will start, and that is how the financial system will end; there's actually already a hell of a lot of people living it within the financial system.

Nah, machines would take what was ripped and fix it for free. I, and a few others in the street, have a little gathering of peeps were we give away our excess food. :killiingme@lack of production. An RBE can start in many ways, that you say that there's only 1 shoes just how much you don't know. Thanks for playing :rolleyes:

[bogan]

Nah, machines would take what was ripped and fix it for free. I, and a few others in the street, have a little gathering of peeps were we give away our excess food. :killiingme@lack of production. An RBE can start in many ways, that you say that there's only 1 shoes just how much you don't know. Thanks for playing :rolleyes:

Hmm, if only capitalist businesses were also applying machine automation, oh wait, they are.

Sorry, guess I should have specified it was the achievable way many of us are quietly working away to start one, you still trying the whiny handout path I assume? That you are whining about a lack of money to start one, and the obvious ability to convert useful production to money, really only leads to one conclusion about your production...

[mashman]

Hmm, if only capitalist businesses were also applying machine automation, oh wait, they are.

Sorry, guess I should have specified it was the achievable way many of us are quietly working away to start one, you still trying the whiny handout path I assume? That you are whining about a lack of money to start one, and the obvious ability to convert useful production to money, really only leads to one conclusion about your production...

They are. The result is called technological unemployment. You know, putting people out of jobs and in many cases, putting people out of well pad jobs. I spent the last 20 years putting people out of work and am very familiar with the outcomes of helping business to become more efficient. The argument against that is that people can go and do other things, which is pretty tricky when the Harvard Business Review, for one, has estimated that over the next 20/25 years 75% of current employment will be automated. It'll be amusing to see how the economy keeps functioning then. Some morons, like Gates for instance, are saying that we can tax the robots that get paid wages. It'd be funny if it wasn't such an ignorant idea.

I get no handouts other than that which my wife gives me. See, you keep talking about money where I've stated quite clearly that my way of doing things doesn't require money. Some understanding you've got there.

Anyhoo, it'll soon be time for you to end up on the ignore list. Primarily because you aren't looking for understanding as you seem to believe that you're the teacher. Amusing as always, but, nah. Oh BTW, my wife knows what your response to this post will be and I'll simply smile whilst I click the ignore button. Tis quite an achievement to end up on a list that only has Husa and TDL on it.

[Brian d marge]

As Cities Grow Worldwide, So Do the Numbers of Homeless (http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/cities-grow-worldwide-so-do-numbers-homeless)... rockstar economy, er, yeah but nah.

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/HomelessnessHomelessChanieJuly2017.jpg

The free market ecp in action. Ya'll should vote for more money, coz it's bound to work... after all NZ has never been so wealthy, and that's obviously come at the expense of housing people and providing various other basics... but hey, worry about your choices eh.


the homeless here in Japan
have solar panels , they use blue plastic sheeting to make quite comfortable habitations , with TV and small fridges , but on a serious noe the poor and in trouble are hidden and not spoken about unless something happens ( and it does )

[Brian d marge]

I thought religion was the biggest con job ever.

Wished I had worked harder when I was young instead of buggering off overseas for a decade.....

Still...working in an office is not too bad when your Boss only comes over from Sydney once a year to see how its going

and you spend three nights out sampling craft beers :banana:

Its even better if ya don't have a boss and ya sit in a place that provides everything and drink some very nice home brew

I wish I had seen the con , a decade ago , I would have buggered of earlier ,,,

[bogan]

They are. The result is called technological unemployment. You know, putting people out of jobs and in many cases, putting people out of well pad jobs. I spent the last 20 years putting people out of work and am very familiar with the outcomes of helping business to become more efficient. The argument against that is that people can go and do other things, which is pretty tricky when the Harvard Business Review, for one, has estimated that over the next 20/25 years 75% of current employment will be automated. It'll be amusing to see how the economy keeps functioning then. Some morons, like Gates for instance, are saying that we can tax the robots that get paid wages. It'd be funny if it wasn't such an ignorant idea.

I get no handouts other than that which my wife gives me. See, you keep talking about money where I've stated quite clearly that my way of doing things doesn't require money. Some understanding you've got there.

Anyhoo, it'll soon be time for you to end up on the ignore list. Primarily because you aren't looking for understanding as you seem to believe that you're the teacher. Amusing as always, but, nah. Oh BTW, my wife knows what your response to this post will be and I'll simply smile whilst I click the ignore button. Tis quite an achievement to end up on a list that only has Husa and TDL on it.

Yeh that's an actual issue alright. What should society look like when we are at that sort of automation, should we allow population to expand to the point of a drastic reduction in biodiviersity to feed and house us all?

You've stated quite clearly you need technology and land to get your thing going, these things cost money, money is gained from production. So, one way to get you thing going, would be to produce, get money, then get land. It's not hard at all tbh, I fail to see why you demand 'my' society just give it to you for nothing.

Is your ignore list for full time ignoring then, or just a partial?

[Katman]

Yeh that's an actual issue alright. What should society look like when we are at that sort of automation, should we allow population to expand to the point of a drastic reduction in biodiviersity to feed and house us all?


I wouldn't worry too much.

Society's heading towards an Autie Apocalypse anyway.

[bogan]

Society's heading towards an Autie Apocalypse anyway.

Do go on, I'm not quite sure what you mean, or how it would transpire...

[mashman]

Yeh that's an actual issue alright. What should society look like when we are at that sort of automation, should we allow population to expand to the point of a drastic reduction in biodiviersity to feed and house us all?

You've stated quite clearly you need technology and land to get your thing going, these things cost money, money is gained from production. So, one way to get you thing going, would be to produce, get money, then get land. It's not hard at all tbh, I fail to see why you demand 'my' society just give it to you for nothing.

Is your ignore list for full time ignoring then, or just a partial?

Dammit, not what I expected... heh.

When? We already have that kind of automation capability, but again, money prevents it from being implemented at a much faster pace than it currently is. I have a sneaking suspicion, after talking to a few kids about the issue of overpopulation, that education in a society that's moving towards something better will work wonders. In theory we should be able to ask kids today to stop reproducing at such a rate, but then who'd pay for pensions? Economoney literally gotz the world by the balls.

I understand the link you were making to production. However, you said be the change that I'd like to see, and that involves access to the resources without having to pay for them, because that is a part of my change and not everyone who wats the same change can afford it either. Ask TVP how easy it is, they have access to the land, they have the designer, they have the people, yet where's the city? Oh yeah, they don't have the money for the materials or the machinery to produce their own. It doesn't mean that they, nor I for that matter, won't produce... especially given their bent for sustainability. They're not doing it for the money after all.

Full-time. If I see a post of theirs, it's coz someone else has quoted them and by the time I've finish the second sentence of the quote, I usually realise who's posted it, then check who was quoted, giggle and ignore the rest of the post. See, some of us ignore the source to start with and deal with the information without bias ;)

[bogan]

Dammit, not what I expected... heh.

When? We already have that kind of automation capability, but again, money prevents it from being implemented at a much faster pace than it currently is. I have a sneaking suspicion, after talking to a few kids about the issue of overpopulation, that education in a society that's moving towards something better will work wonders. In theory we should be able to ask kids today to stop reproducing at such a rate, but then who'd pay for pensions? Economoney literally gotz the world by the balls.

I understand the link you were making to production. However, you said be the change that I'd like to see, and that involves access to the resources without having to pay for them, because that is a part of my change and not everyone who wats the same change can afford it either. Ask TVP how easy it is, they have access to the land, they have the designer, they have the people, yet where's the city? Oh yeah, they don't have the money for the materials or the machinery to produce their own. It doesn't mean that they, nor I for that matter, won't produce... especially given their bent for sustainability. They're not doing it for the money after all.

Full-time. If I see a post of theirs, it's coz someone else has quoted them and by the time I've finish the second sentence of the quote, I usually realise who's posted it, then check who was quoted, giggle and ignore the rest of the post. See, some of us ignore the source to start with and deal with the information without bias ;)

We actually don't, while we have a lot of smart automation capability the level and quantity of specialisation required to do what you are asking is not available at this time, I'm guessing you've not had much to do with production automation? I think the tipping point will be automated transport, for self drive trucks to be viable we will need to have acheived not just rote automation (which is where we are now) but adaptive and intelligent automation. In any case, I asked what it would look like when we are at that level of automation, not when it would be available.

That's a massive cop-out, clearly, you often have to put some work in to be the change. I'm well aware of TVP thanks, they just reinforce the point that a handout for large infrastructure investment is not the way to get things started.

Excellent, make sure to let me know when I get on the list, I'll look forward to not have to respond to your drivelous cop-outs about money fucking up all your plans...

[oldrider]

Henry Markow Ph.D. tells it the way it is (which is not the way we are normally told) - https://www.henrymakow.com/ :shifty: (always an interesting alternate viewpoint!)

[Voltaire]

Henry Markow Ph.D. tells it the way it is (which is not the way we are normally told) - https://www.henrymakow.com/ :shifty: (always an interesting alternate viewpoint!)


True culture is based on religion, i.e. a collective commitment to spiritual ideals such as absolute justice, love, beauty and truth. "God is a Spirit and we worship him in Spirit and in Truth," Christ said. (John 4:24)

Mankind invented religion and its kept a lot of people in jobs, power, misery, concentration camps, mass graves etc.

Kept people in line " you'll go to Hell".

Looks to have been largely replaced by Smart Phone worship and Game of Thrones.:lol:

[Voltaire]

Dammit, not what I expected... heh.

When? We already have that kind of automation capability, but again, money prevents it from being implemented at a much faster pace than it currently is. I have a sneaking suspicion, after talking to a few kids about the issue of overpopulation, that education in a society that's moving towards something better will work wonders. In theory we should be able to ask kids today to stop reproducing at such a rate, but then who'd pay for pensions? Economoney literally gotz the world by the balls.

I understand the link you were making to production. However, you said be the change that I'd like to see, and that involves access to the resources without having to pay for them, because that is a part of my change and not everyone who wats the same change can afford it either. Ask TVP how easy it is, they have access to the land, they have the designer, they have the people, yet where's the city? Oh yeah, they don't have the money for the materials or the machinery to produce their own. It doesn't mean that they, nor I for that matter, won't produce... especially given their bent for sustainability. They're not doing it for the money after all.

Full-time. If I see a post of theirs, it's coz someone else has quoted them and by the time I've finish the second sentence of the quote, I usually realise who's posted it, then check who was quoted, giggle and ignore the rest of the post. See, some of us ignore the source to start with and deal with the information without bias ;)

Japan would be the most likely place to go automated first outside the factory as its got an aging population and probably very low immigration.

I went to seminar on " Man and Machine" and while it all sounded like it was going to happen in the next 5 to 10 years I think NZ will be behind due to funding.


As I only ever spring 10 K max for a car that is usually several years old could be some time before I buy electric as have never or ever intend to buy a new car.

[oldrider]

Mankind invented religion and its kept a lot of people in jobs, power, misery, concentration camps, mass graves etc.

Kept people in line " you'll go to Hell".

Looks to have been largely replaced by Smart Phone worship and Game of Thrones.:lol:

Or constant threat of WW3? :wait:

Fear is the strongest controlling weapon (paranoid dysfunctional fear is possibly the ultimate) against mankind. :cry:

Usually learned at school - telling teacher - my dads the policeman etc etc until finally they found GOD - you must fear GOD! - "Really"? - FFS! :weird:

The adage: The only thing to fear about fear is fear it's self", springs to mind. If it hasn't happened yet - It may never happen so best remain optimistic to the end!

Optimism: The guy falling past the sixteenth floor window shouting out - "It's all right, I'm OK so far!" :niceone:

[sidecar bob]

I wouldn't worry too much.

Society's heading towards an Autie Apocalypse anyway.

They said in 400ad:laugh:
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

[Voltaire]

They said in 400ad:laugh:
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

I love the smell of Apocalypse's in the morning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBIsyaqpHH8

[TheDemonLord]

They said in 400ad:laugh:
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

hehe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon

The day I got married

[mashman]

They said in 400ad:laugh:
Heres the list, you could get your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

I guess ya'll think that civilisation collapse isn't all that apocalyptic. As much as it'd be fun to see the big splosions, I'd rather avoid it and have a crack at bucking the trend. Those that have collapsed have 1 primary thing in common. They had a medium of exchange. Oh so ironic in so many ways.

[bogan]

I guess ya'll think that civilisation collapse isn't all that apocalyptic. As much as it'd be fun to see the big splosions, I'd rather avoid it and have a crack at bucking the trend. Those that have collapsed have 1 primary thing in common. They had a medium of exchange. Oh so ironic in so many ways.

Actually the one thing in common was people, many civilizations collapsed without a medium of exchange...

None of them had sweet robots or self driving cars either.

[mashman]

We actually don't, while we have a lot of smart automation capability the level and quantity of specialisation required to do what you are asking is not available at this time, I'm guessing you've not had much to do with production automation? I think the tipping point will be automated transport, for self drive trucks to be viable we will need to have acheived not just rote automation (which is where we are now) but adaptive and intelligent automation. In any case, I asked what it would look like when we are at that level of automation, not when it would be available.

That's a massive cop-out, clearly, you often have to put some work in to be the change. I'm well aware of TVP thanks, they just reinforce the point that a handout for large infrastructure investment is not the way to get things started.

Excellent, make sure to let me know when I get on the list, I'll look forward to not have to respond to your drivelous cop-outs about money fucking up all your plans...

We actually do. But as per usual your vision is about as myopic as that fella that needs a haircut. It's merely a question of logistics and choosing to produce that which serves us and not that which makes someone rich. As such, a great variety of production automation won't be required. Transport. Pah! Those who can will be working from home and will barely use their car etc... The number of jobs that currently exist and that do not serve us that will simply vanish, will create a glut of manpower. As such, the world will be their oyster with free education of the highest order. They'll understand that there are jobs that need to be done and they will do them so as to remain in a society that isn't limited by money. There's also plenty of software solutions available for freeing up the office admin drudge (the current #1 job killer). Fo sho AI is going to blow our minds, but if we aren't relatively civilised by that point in time, I highly doubt that AI is going to be available for anything useful, especially if it means even more jobs lost... yada yada yada.

:facepalm:

I won't let you know. There'll be no point. And it ain't just my plans. Again, something you fail to understand given your complete lack of vision and inability to shift perception. Dude, shut the full cup.

[mashman]

Actually the one thing in common was people, many civilizations collapsed without a medium of exchange...

None of them had sweet robots or self driving cars either.

Cant have one without the other :weird: Name 1.

On the balance of probability. But how do you know for sure?

[bogan]

We actually do. But as per usual your vision is about as myopic as that fella that needs a haircut. It's merely a question of logistics and choosing to produce that which serves us and not that which makes someone rich. As such, a great variety of production automation won't be required. Transport. Pah! Those who can will be working from home and will barely use their car etc... The number of jobs that currently exist and that do not serve us that will simply vanish, will create a glut of manpower. As such, the world will be their oyster with free education of the highest order. They'll understand that there are jobs that need to be done and they will do them so as to remain in a society that isn't limited by money. There's also plenty of software solutions available for freeing up the office admin drudge (the current #1 job killer). Fo sho AI is going to blow our minds, but if we aren't relatively civilised by that point in time, I highly doubt that AI is going to be available for anything useful, especially if it means even more jobs lost... yada yada yada.

:facepalm:

I won't let you know. There'll be no point. And it ain't just my plans. Again, something you fail to understand given your complete lack of vision and inability to shift perception. Dude, shut the full cup.

Have you any evidence that we do have the automation tech then? To continue with the transportation example, we must be able to automate that (in terms of technical ability), in order to automate all the other shit you talk about; I simply used this as an example since it is a massive industry, so offers a massive payoff, and is already attracting a huge amount of resources which are simply not limited by cashflow. That you are incapable of understanding the significance of this, suggests you think the removal of money will somehow mean it gets replaced with wizards who can do things not technologicaly viable today.

Cop out2 eh

[bogan]

Cant have one without the other :weird: Name 1.

On the balance of probability. But how do you know for sure?

Well you don't see many cave men around anymore...

[Katman]

..... many civilizations collapsed without a medium of exchange....

Name some.

[bogan]

Well you don't see many cave men around anymore...


Name some.

Someone already did, called him Steve by the looks :laugh:

[BuzzardNZ]

Someone already did, called him Steve by the looks :laugh:
or Ed, come on dude, admit it, u miss the cunt ( i do ) ;)

[Katman]

Someone already did, called him Steve by the looks :laugh:

So once again, you're quick to make sweeping statements that you're unable to substantiate.

How predictabłe.

[bogan]

or Ed, come on dude, admit it, u miss the cunt ( i do ) ;)

Hmmm, not so much tbh.


So once again, you're quick to make sweeping statements that you're unable to substantiate.

How predictabłe.

So, you think cavemen societies didn't collapse? :scratch: Or do you expect collapsed societies from before the barter system through currency revolution were good at keeping historical records to substantiate their presence, un-use of exchange medium, and demise?
Just what is it you expect me to substantiate here? The only societies to ever not use a medium of exchange have died out; it's kind of self evident init :whistle:

[Katman]

So, you think cavemen societies didn't collapse? :scratch: Or do you expect collapsed societies from before the barter system through currency revolution were good at keeping historical records to substantiate their presence, un-use of exchange medium, and demise?
Just what is it you expect me to substantiate here? The only societies to ever not use a medium of exchange have died out; it's kind of self evident init :whistle:

'Many civilisations' doesn't equal 'cavemen'.

[bogan]

'Many civilisations' doesn't equal 'cavemen'.

Do you have anything to substantiate that sweeping statement :rofl:

[Katman]

Do you have anything to substantiate that sweeping statement :rofl:

Typical retarded cunt response.

[bogan]

Typical retarded cunt response.

Jeez, now you're really not putting any effort in, to just summarise what your post is to turn out like that :sunny:

[TheDemonLord]

Have you any evidence that we do have the automation tech then? To continue with the transportation example, we must be able to automate that (in terms of technical ability), in order to automate all the other shit you talk about; I simply used this as an example since it is a massive industry, so offers a massive payoff, and is already attracting a huge amount of resources which are simply not limited by cashflow. That you are incapable of understanding the significance of this, suggests you think the removal of money will somehow mean it gets replaced with wizards who can do things not technologicaly viable today.

Cop out2 eh

From a purely tech point of view:

I recently did an automation of building a particular flavour of Web server and thought I'd add some perspective for the thread:


time it took to do all the 26 pages worth of steps manually manually - about 2-3 hours, give or take
time it took to write an automation script to programatically do all the work in that 26 pages: probably about 50-60 hours all up.

given that this is going to be used to deploy ~10 web servers initially - you might ask why we automated it - and the answer was that in that 26 pages of steps to fully set up said server, there are 26 pages of steps for potential Human error.

Now, I should note (for those that care) that the way I went about automating it was not particularly elegant - I'll explain

An elegant way to automate (for a given setting/value) would be something like this:

Check particular setting
if(
setting = value, then exit
)
else(
set setting to value, then exit
)
catch error(
If error message = 0x10 then append to log "The requested setting was not present, if installing a new version of product, check to see if location has change)
If error message = 0x03 then append to log "This script needs to be run with administrator/root privledges, please re-run with appropriate permissions)
)
exit

which simplified means that the script checks a particular setting, if it isn't set to the right value, it sets it to the right value then moves on, if it gets an error code, it interprets the error code to output a useful, human understandable error message

However, my automation script (because it is only ever going to be applied to a virgin server build) doesn't do any of that, it simply clobbers the setting, assumes it has works and carries on:

Set setting to Value and exit

which as you can see, is less physical code and therefore quicker to write, however it has some downsides that if any of the assumed initial input parameters are changed, then it will fail and error.

Now comes the point for the Closet Marxists who think Automation will solve all our problems:

In the absence of Money, is it going to make writing automation code any quicker?
Is it going to enable the common man or woman to write some scripts or code in order to complete a complex series of tasks?
Does the common man or woman even have the ability to think through all the actual and possible steps in even simple day-to-day tasks?

In fact - here's a video that does a really good demonstration of how complex writing a procedure to make something as simple as a Peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich can be, to highlight the above point (with the Dad doing an excellent job of interpreting the commands as a computer or non-AI system would do:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDA3_5982h8

Just think of this - The robot ASIMO was developed over a period of about twenty years - and whilst extremely impressive - it's capabilities are matched by the average Toddler.

Yeah. Removing money will Totally fix all the problems....

[Brian d marge]

the abbos were doing quite well for a few years
So were the American Indians
the Inuit

half of Africa

Hell even the welsh ....( ok I made that bit up ....)

not a penny between em , til the east India co ltd showed up ........

[Akzle]

.

Yeah. Removing money will Totally fix all the problems....

yae but there are assburgers who ENJOY coding shit, and would do more, if they didn't have to waste 40 hours a week to feed their redbull and pringles habits. (see: israel's use of assburgers in teh miltary)

look at how much m0ar better linux/gnu is compared to teh winblows and consider that was basically all done in people's spare times. rather than by a bajillion jewgold mnc. I rest my suitcase.

also. use case statements. and fail-over settings. also, look at imaging that shit to deploy rather than running script.

[Ocean1]

the abbos were doing quite well for a few years
So were the American Indians
the Inuit

half of Africa

Hell even the welsh ....( ok I made that bit up ....)

not a penny between em , til the east India co ltd showed up ........

You mean except for the life expectancy of 12, the 80% infant mortality rates, persistent tribal warfare, the endemic parasitism, frequent plagues and the constant starvation.

Apart from that it was fucking paradise eh?

If only the bastard Europeans hadn't showed up with their fancy money and shit eh?

Seems to me you and mushman orta go find a nice cave together somewhere. :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

yae but there are assburgers who ENJOY coding shit, and would do more, if they didn't have to waste 40 hours a week to feed their redbull and pringles habits. (see: israel's use of assburgers in teh miltary)

I agree there are those that like to code as a Hobby, however are they proficient enough to do it in a professional capacity? Sure, there are some that are - but they are a small group - if we take your Aspergers comment - that's 0.5% of the population....


look at how much m0ar better linux/gnu is compared to teh winblows and consider that was basically all done in people's spare times. rather than by a bajillion jewgold mnc. I rest my suitcase.

Yeah... No.

Outside of the webserver market and custom application market (ie the LHC computer system), Microsoft dominates.

Linux is good - however as a simple case: is it httpd, apache or apache2? Well, that depends on your distro - if I install Firefox on ANY Windows OS, it is always firefox - Microsoft achieves a level of consistency that is unmatched by the Open source world - and that is precisely because of the closed, top down way that Microsoft operates compared to the way that open source is done.

And I'd pick up that suitcase - cause do you know who is the single largest contributor to Open Source software? It's Microsoft.


also. use case statements. and fail-over settings. also, look at imaging that shit to deploy rather than running script.

Can't image it - cause that will result in duplicate SIDs, Sysprep breaks a number of the customizations - so yeah, Scripting was the correct way to go.

[bogan]

From a purely tech point of view:

I recently did an automation of building a particular flavour of Web server and thought I'd add some perspective for the thread:


time it took to do all the 26 pages worth of steps manually manually - about 2-3 hours, give or take
time it took to write an automation script to programatically do all the work in that 26 pages: probably about 50-60 hours all up.

given that this is going to be used to deploy ~10 web servers initially - you might ask why we automated it - and the answer was that in that 26 pages of steps to fully set up said server, there are 26 pages of steps for potential Human error.

Now, I should note (for those that care) that the way I went about automating it was not particularly elegant - I'll explain

An elegant way to automate (for a given setting/value) would be something like this:

Check particular setting
if(
setting = value, then exit
)
else(
set setting to value, then exit
)
catch error(
If error message = 0x10 then append to log "The requested setting was not present, if installing a new version of product, check to see if location has change)
If error message = 0x03 then append to log "This script needs to be run with administrator/root privledges, please re-run with appropriate permissions)
)
exit

which simplified means that the script checks a particular setting, if it isn't set to the right value, it sets it to the right value then moves on, if it gets an error code, it interprets the error code to output a useful, human understandable error message

However, my automation script (because it is only ever going to be applied to a virgin server build) doesn't do any of that, it simply clobbers the setting, assumes it has works and carries on:

Set setting to Value and exit

which as you can see, is less physical code and therefore quicker to write, however it has some downsides that if any of the assumed initial input parameters are changed, then it will fail and error.

Now comes the point for the Closet Marxists who think Automation will solve all our problems:

In the absence of Money, is it going to make writing automation code any quicker?
Is it going to enable the common man or woman to write some scripts or code in order to complete a complex series of tasks?
Does the common man or woman even have the ability to think through all the actual and possible steps in even simple day-to-day tasks?

In fact - here's a video that does a really good demonstration of how complex writing a procedure to make something as simple as a Peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich can be, to highlight the above point (with the Dad doing an excellent job of interpreting the commands as a computer or non-AI system would do:

Just think of this - The robot ASIMO was developed over a period of about twenty years - and whilst extremely impressive - it's capabilities are matched by the average Toddler.

Yeah. Removing money will Totally fix all the problems....

Precisly, and that is software focused automation, where APIs can tell you all you need to know. Try that for meat space production, even with fiducials, uniform loose parts can be a nightmare to process, the ability to easily automate the processing of unmarked and non-uniform loose parts or raw material is unlikely to provide a resource saving on anything but the most massively produced goods (of which there would be fewer in an RBE anyway). The notion that we can automate even half the processes with today's technology is quite absurd.

[Scuba_Steve]

Outside of the webserver market and custom application market (ie the LHC computer system), Microsoft dominates.

and smart appliance market, smartyphone market, console market, smarty cars, networking, NAS, & any market that isn't the "PC" market, outside of that MS "dominates". But even then it's not a testament to high quality is it, GM was #1 in cars for awhile there, Harley currently sits #2 in bikes so just means they have better marketing depts



And I'd pick up that suitcase - cause do you know who is the single largest contributor to Open Source software? It's Microsoft.

Correction: People affiliated with MS were the highest company affiliated contributors to Github in 2016
A slight but big difference

[Akzle]

I agree there are those that like to code as a Hobby, however are they proficient enough to do it in a professional capacity? Sure, there are some that are - but they are a small group - if we take your Aspergers comment - that's 0.5% of the population....

whom could do the same work as the x% currently employed who do it because they have a passing interest in it. and money.



Outside of the webserver market and custom application market (ie the LHC computer system), Microsoft dominates.
for reasons unbeknownst to... pretty much anyone who's put any thought into it.
i wont hold my breath that you're going to have a spare thought any time soon.


Linux is good - however as a simple case: is it httpd, apache or apache2? Well, that depends on your distro -
eh. no. that depends what you set the fuck up. and you do have those choices.


if I install Firefox on ANY Windows OS, it is always firefox -
and if you install firefox on ANY nix OS.... hey fuck me, it's firefox....


Microsoft achieves a level of consistency that is unmatched by the Open source world
yes, but consistently shit is still shit.


And I'd pick up that suitcase - cause do you know who is the single largest contributor to Open Source software? It's Microsoft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshkO8HqQ10

[bogan]

Why are you guys suggesting there would only be one OS in a money free society? does removing money means people's choices must be curtailed as well?

[TheDemonLord]

Why are you guys suggesting there would only be one OS in a money free society? does removing money means people's choices must be curtailed as well?

Well, once the Politburo is in charge and deciding what can and can't get manufactured - that is what will curtail the choice - but don't tell Mashman that, He'll throw a fit and block you...

[TheDemonLord]

and smart appliance market, smartyphone market, console market, smarty cars, networking, NAS, & any market that isn't the "PC" market, outside of that MS "dominates".

Okay fair points - I should have included closed systems, however in the corporate world - Active Directory is the defacto standard, Exchange is the largest market share for on-premise Email, in the SME market, Office 365 has been massive, MS SQL is either first or second in terms of deployment.


But even then it's not a testament to high quality is it, GM was #1 in cars for awhile there, Harley currently sits #2 in bikes so just means they have better marketing depts

True, true. The 2 key points with MS is nearly universal hardware support and ease of use. Their 2 biggest issues - namely security and reliability have been massively improved over the last 15 years. They've also been busy implementing the best ideas from the Opensource world - just look at how far Powershell has come.



Correction: People affiliated with MS were the highest company affiliated contributors to Github in 2016
A slight but big difference

Touche.

[TheDemonLord]

whom could do the same work as the x% currently employed who do it because they have a passing interest in it. and money.

What makes you think they aren't already doing just that? I'd suggest the reason why we have so many people who are 'normal' getting into coding is simply because we have more jobs that require programmers than we have programmers to begin with. And that is without the requirement of Automating everything....


for reasons unbeknownst to... pretty much anyone who's put any thought into it.
i wont hold my breath that you're going to have a spare thought any time soon.

There's plenty of reasons to choose a Windows based solution of a Linux based one


eh. no. that depends what you set the fuck up. and you do have those choices.

Eh. Yes. The same application is installed under a different name on different Distros of Linux. (https://askubuntu.com/questions/248404/is-there-any-difference-between-apache2-and-httpd)


and if you install firefox on ANY nix OS.... hey fuck me, it's firefox....

That's nice, but my point above is valid.


yes, but consistently shit is still shit.

Not necessarily - if a system is predictable in it's operation, it's actually quite a good thing. I'd take a crash that happens for a specific input over and intermittent fault any day of the week. But either way - MS have a level of Consistency that the Opensource market had never achieved. Especially for different Hardware combinations (although to be fair, Linux is nowhere near as bad as it used to be)

[pritch]

It's just as well computers never malfunction, otherwise something like this would be scary.


http://newatlas.com/kalashnikov-ai-weapon-terminator-conundrum/50576/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=3f007b799e-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-3f007b799e-90148181

[bogan]

It's just as well computers never malfunction, otherwise something like this would be scary.


http://newatlas.com/kalashnikov-ai-weapon-terminator-conundrum/50576/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=3f007b799e-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-3f007b799e-90148181

Info on that one is pretty scarce though, could be overstated or fake news. And let's face it, humans don't have a great track record in correctly identifying friend or foe, in warzone or civilian...

[Katman]

Info on that one is pretty scarce though, could be overstated or fake news.

As peddled by your favourite peddler of fake news.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a27393/kalashnikov-to-make-ai-directed-machine-guns/

[Akzle]

There's plenty of reasons to choose a Windows based solution of a Linux based one
asides from direct x and "cos we always have" - name one.




Eh. Yes. The same application is installed under a different name on different Distros of Linux. (https://askubuntu.com/questions/248404/is-there-any-difference-between-apache2-and-httpd)



That's nice, but my point above is valid.

so i see you have little to no grasp of dæmons. ironic, given your handle. (double pun boojah)

also, what's it called when implemented in winblows? xp? nt? 7? 10? is it the same shit? and is THAT the same as linux? or macos? or BSD?

and so yae - the (basically two) forks of linux do things differently. efficiently, consistently, but differently to each other.
the fact that your choice with M$ is limited to 1, the fact that M$ does it differently (worse in every way conceivable)....doesn't negate my point. so no. your point is invalid on matters of fact.



Not necessarily - if a system is predictable in it's operation, it's actually quite a good thing. I'd take a crash that happens for a specific input over and intermittent fault any day of the week. But either way - MS have a level of Consistency that the Opensource market had never achieved. Especially for different Hardware combinations (although to be fair, Linux is nowhere near as bad as it used to be)
i'm picking your rather young to the computing. M$ is shit and fails for so many half assed excuses for reasons. BSOD. look that shit up. that shit's ingrained and happens for...no good reason ever.
the shotgun-blast approach to compatibility is bollocks. (and makes for an obese narwhal of an already fucked system) the historically shit support of OEMs has not been conducive to epic dev (but epic dev has happened in spite of) and that's something to do with.... oh right, money.
hey, ever thought that money has fucked everything up and the world is a shittier place cos of it? i mean. you could be playing CoD on linux right now for free... but jews.

oh well. better luck next time.

[Ocean1]

Y'know, it amuses me no end whenever the dole bludgery at large hates the fuck outa the cash moneys thing as a tool of the despised capitalist oppressors.

Spending the alms of their betters all the while...

[bogan]

As peddled by your favourite peddler of fake news.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a27393/kalashnikov-to-make-ai-directed-machine-guns/

Precisely, there is no substantiation of that story whatsoever. In fact, apart from a couple of sentences, there isn't anything stated other than conjecture; and even those few sentence makes me question their authenticity...

[Akzle]

it amuses me no end when ignorant old white cunts.... ahh who am i kidding, it's not funny, just sad.

[Katman]

Precisely, there is no substantiation of that story whatsoever. In fact, apart from a couple of sentences, there isn't anything stated other than conjecture; and even those few sentence makes me question their authenticity...

Yet you swallow their story about 9/11 like a cock starved whore.

[bogan]

Yet you swallow their story about 9/11 like a cock starved whore.

Did Kalashnikov do a story on 9/11? That sounds like it could be an interestingly different viewpoint, can't recall it though; jog my memory?

[Katman]

Did Kalashnikov do a story on 9/11?

No - but Popular Mechanics did.

[bogan]

No - but Popular Mechanics did.

:scratch: Ah, you're still way too concerned about who is publishing this stuff, instead of looking at the content and evaluating that. You should fix that, you'd end up way more educated and wouldn't have to follow me around inanely whining about whatever slight error you think you've found.

[Katman]

:scratch: Ah, you're still way too concerned about who is publishing this stuff, instead of looking at the content and evaluating that. You should fix that, you'd end up way more educated and wouldn't have to follow me around inanely whining about whatever slight error you think you've found.

I'm simply pointing out your constant inconsistencies.

[bogan]

I'm simply pointing out your constant inconsistencies.

and how is that going for you? :laugh: :banana:

[pritch]

As peddled by your favourite peddler of fake news.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a27393/kalashnikov-to-make-ai-directed-machine-guns/



" If it has a firearm or uniform worn by enemy troops, it would open fire. Ideally, if it saw no weapon at all, it would judge the target a civilian and not open fire."

Oops! Sorry I didn't realise it was an umbrella.

Don't laugh, we had an armed offenders callout because a woman reported a guy carrying a gun which turned out to be an umbrella. Obviously that particular woman was a bad example of the human race but...

[TheDemonLord]

asides from direct x and "cos we always have" - name one.

Best GUI experience (Gnome, KDE and X are shit)
Native integration between your LDAP, Mail, IM and Collaboration software
ASP, .NET
Widest amount of Available Software
Free Phone support for any product
The most Secure RDBMS



so i see you have little to no grasp of dæmons. ironic, given your handle. (double pun boojah)

Let's keep that in mind.


also, what's it called when implemented in winblows? xp? nt? 7? 10? is it the same shit? and is THAT the same as linux? or macos? or BSD?

If I install Doom on any version of Windows - it's still called Doom. If I then install is on Mac OSX, it's still Doom - Linux, yup Doom.


and so yae - the (basically two) forks of linux do things differently. efficiently, consistently, but differently to each other.

Something something I don't understand something - the above was precisely my point - 2 groups of Devs can't agree on something and whereas in M$ land, the Boss would tell them which method is going to be implemented and to stop bitching (resulting in Consistency, Glorious Consistency), in Open Source land, they just go off and start doing their own thing separately which ends up that on 2 different Distros, the same application has different names and different folder structures.


the fact that your choice with M$ is limited to 1, the fact that M$ does it differently (worse in every way conceivable)....doesn't negate my point. so no. your point is invalid on matters of fact.

M$ simply enforce consistency, and the so called fact, is actually Opinion, so that DOES negate your point. That and the fact (actual facts, not Azkle opinion "facts") that Windows is still 90+% of the Market share for the Desktop OS market - if Linux was as great as you make it out to be, why is it only about 1.6% of the desktop Market?


i'm picking your rather young to the computing. M$ is shit and fails for so many half assed excuses for reasons. BSOD. look that shit up. that shit's ingrained and happens for...no good reason ever.
the shotgun-blast approach to compatibility is bollocks. (and makes for an obese narwhal of an already fucked system) the historically shit support of OEMs has not been conducive to epic dev (but epic dev has happened in spite of) and that's something to do with.... oh right, money.
hey, ever thought that money has fucked everything up and the world is a shittier place cos of it? i mean. you could be playing CoD on linux right now for free... but jews.

oh well. better luck next time.

Yeah - I'll add that to the ever-increasing list of "Shit Azkle is clueless about" - I'll sum up - I started on Windows 3.11, and have probably used every major release of Windows up to and including Windows 10/Server 2016.

BSODs - Yeah, I've had a shit tonne, wonky Graphics card drivers, OverClocking fun and games, random "Fuck you" BSODs - however most of those were from everything pre Windows 7 - now sure, I've Bluescreened every release of Windows, but Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 - I can't even remember the last time I had a full Blue screen/Black Screen.

You seem to be comparing Windows of 10 - 15 years ago to today - and I'd hazzard a guess that you've probably been using *nix for about 10-15 years? which makes half your opinions out of date.

Now sure, the shotgun method is bulky and does increase the OS size (Fuck you WinSXS), but it also increases the end user experience, remember above that Windows has 90+% of the Desktop market - now you know why.

People have tried selling PCs with Linux pre-configured and when you factor in this made the PC cheaper, the Consumer STILL wasn't interested enough to change their buying habits in any meaningful way and sure some people won't change cause that is what they are used to, but most couldn't be persuaded to change, even with a lower price point...

Something Something Money Something.

[Katman]

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[Brian d marge]

Ummm as a user and a " I have no idea what I'm doing "

Linux is rock solid

And if it all goes really pear shaped

I save my home folder and reinstall everything in about 10 minutes

The other night I wanted to connect to the internet on winblows , gave up after 3 hours

U can stick that pile of Microsoft dog turd right where the sun shines when the missus puts out

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[Brian d marge]

You mean except for the life expectancy of 12, the 80% infant mortality rates, persistent tribal warfare, the endemic parasitism, frequent plagues and the constant starvation.

Apart from that it was fucking paradise eh?

If only the bastard Europeans hadn't showed up with their fancy money and shit eh?

Seems to me you and mushman orta go find a nice cave together somewhere. [emoji23]

London hasn't changed I see

Shall we compare pre whitey abbos or redskins to white van man of the same period ???



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[Akzle]

Best GUI experience (Gnome, KDE and X are shit) again showing your lack of comprehendo. X is inbetween the colonel and GDE/KDE (or any of heother plethora of DE that YOU CAN CHOOSE. (and config to balls)


Native integration between your LDAP, Mail, IM and Collaboration software
ASP, .NET
Widest amount of Available Software
Free Phone support for any product
The most Secure RDBMS

ehh, that's software. working in spite of,Not because, underlying OS

no, no

no

hahahahahahahaha evr called m$??

dunno about it. but i doubt it.



If I install Doom on any version of Windows - it's still called Doom. If I then install is on Mac OSX, it's still Doom - Linux, yup Doom.

so you try and disprove my point... by proving it?



2 groups of Devs can't agree on something and whereas in M$ land, the Boss would tell them which method is going to be implemented and to stop bitching (resulting in Consistency, Glorious Consistency), in Open Source land, they just go off and start doing their own thing separately which ends up that on 2 different Distros, the same application has different names and different folder structures.
you're getting clos to Bog-level retard now son.
there are STACKS of distros, not 2. and the devs do what's familiar, and what they're interested in, without bein confined by hommosexual jews.



M$ simply enforce consistency, and the so called fact, is actually Opinion, so that DOES negate your point. That and the fact (actual facts, not Azkle opinion "facts") that Windows is still 90+% of the Market share for the Desktop OS market - if Linux was as great as you make it out to be, why is it only about 1.6% of the desktop Market?
. no, they really dont, they just cripple your choices, which doesn't result in consistency, it results in gaycode.
again "this is the way we've always whipped dead horses.


You seem to be comparing Windows of 10 - 15 years ago to today - and I'd hazzard a guess that you've probably been using *nix for about 10-15 years? which makes half your opinions out of date.
eh. no. i've seen every release of MS softwares. from DOS, which one of the 4 less-shit things they've done. and they all suffer the same things (10 is it's own special breed of jewry) - they're piled on top of shit code.

but it also increases the end user experience, remember above that Windows has 90+% of the Desktop market - now you know why.
.
but that experience is still poo. and again "cos we always have" isn't really justification

[Ocean1]

London hasn't changed I see

Shall we compare pre whitey abbos or redskins to white van man of the same period ???



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Compare them for what, Lice? Dead children? Lifespan? Absolute poverty?

By all means, go right ahead.

[bogan]

*self identification of technological illiteracy*

To summarise, for consumers, linux is fucking great at doing linux things (downloading, installing, and configuring distros), at best it is equal to other OS's for basic tasks (web browsing, emails and shit, office products) but good for fuck all else. Axkzle and other linux fanbois fail to recognise the desires, choices, and functions of wider society, which is a remarkably similar to those who despise money while failing to recognise how shit actually works.

[Brian d marge]

Compare them for what, Lice? Dead children? Lifespan? Absolute poverty?

By all means, go right ahead.
I'm game if you are up for it ?

[Ocean1]

I'm game if you are up for it ?

You can track lice by prevalence of typhus, bubonic plague etc. Don't think I need to reference historic rates there do I?

Dead children: https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality/#the-decline-of-infant-mortality-around-the-world

Lifespan: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy/#life-expectancy-has-improved-globally

Poverty: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-share-1820-2015

But I'm sure that if you dig deep enough there's probably some advantage in an ugly, brutish and short life. No illiterate fuckwits whining about how The Man suppresses them sounds attractive.

[TheDemonLord]

again showing your lack of comprehendo. X is inbetween the colonel and GDE/KDE (or any of heother plethora of DE that YOU CAN CHOOSE. (and config to balls)

X is a GUI Framework, and it's filled with AIDS, and whilst there are many many alternatives and you can indeed customize them, Put it this way - most people buy a Car or a Bike, as opposed to building one from scratch or as a Kit Car.

Sure, you can customize a Kit Car more, and there are a Plethora of bits YOU CAN CHOOSE - but most people purchase a car for the immediate function it can provides - Just like Windows. Again, If Linux was as truly superior in this regard (as you claim) then more people would use it, they don't because most people who have used a Linux Gui go "Eugh!". In fact I remember for a while around 2008-2010 that Dick Smith, Harvey Norman and PBtech were selling PCs prebuilt with Ubuntu - they don't any more - that should be a hint....


ehh, that's software. working in spite of,Not because, underlying OS

AD and Windows, with MS Exchange - it's the Holy Trinity - point is, you can't run AD on Linux, so if you want AD (and all the lovely features therein) you are running Windows - and that, my Dear Akzle is why so many businesses run Windows.


no, no

Yes and Yes - there are people who like .Net and people who like ASP and until the advent of .Net Core - if you wanted that, you need Windows.


no

Yes - that one is factually correct - Windows has the most compatible programs for it.


hahahahahahahaha evr called m$??

Yes. Multiple times. Have you ever tried to call Linus Torvald?


dunno about it. but i doubt it.

MSSQL has the least number of Vulnerabilities and Data breaches consistently when compared to MySQL, Oracle and Postgres.



so you try and disprove my point... by proving it?

Doom wasn't developed by the Open Source community.... That's my point, hence it was in a consistent state before being ported. Interestingly enough, now it's in the public domain - we have Zdoom, Jdoom etc. etc. all thanks to Open Source.


there are STACKS of distros, not 2. and the devs do what's familiar, and what they're interested in, without bein confined by hommosexual jews.

Which is entirely the point I'm making - Devs do what Devs want to do, with no restriction - the result is forks, half developed applications, Applications which are called differently depending on the Distros.


no, they really dont, they just cripple your choices, which doesn't result in consistency, it results in gaycode.

Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive:

If there is no choice - there is perfect consistency - everything is the same
If there is Infinite choice, there is perfect inconsistency - nothing in the same

If I jump onto just about any Windows box - I can be guaranteed that notepad is installed, Jump onto any Linux box - is it Vi? Vim? Nano? Emacs (just joking - it's never Emacs)?

That consistency means I don't have to spend 5 minutes faffing around guessing which text editor they happen to have installed.


eh. no. i've seen every release of MS softwares. from DOS, which one of the 4 less-shit things they've done. and they all suffer the same things (10 is it's own special breed of jewry) - they're piled on top of shit code.

Seen - or Used? 2 very different realities.


but that experience is still poo. and again "cos we always have" isn't really justification

When it comes to end user experience, it's not an argumentum ad populum to say that the OS that has the greatest numbers of End Users must have the best End user Experience - which is.......

WINDOWS!

[TheDemonLord]

To summarise, for consumers, linux is fucking great at doing linux things (downloading, installing, and configuring distros), at best it is equal to other OS's for basic tasks (web browsing, emails and shit, office products) but good for fuck all else. Axkzle and other linux fanbois fail to recognise the desires, choices, and functions of wider society, which is a remarkably similar to those who despise money while failing to recognise how shit actually works.

That's a bit harsh - Linux has a time and place - for example this site almost certainly runs on a Linux web server (since it is written in PHP) - Apache is still the leading Web Server, although IIS is Second I believe.

Linux is also amazing for closed systems (Smart Phones, Tables, Hardware appliances etc.) that need to be very small, with minimal hardware requirements.

I like Linux, I like Windows.

[bogan]

That's a bit harsh - Linux has a time and place - for example this site almost certainly runs on a Linux web server (since it is written in PHP) - Apache is still the leading Web Server, although IIS is Second I believe.

Linux is also amazing for closed systems (Smart Phones, Tables, Hardware appliances etc.) that need to be very small, with minimal hardware requirements.

I like Linux, I like Windows.

Guess I should have specified PC consumers, ie, those which are in direct competition with win 7/8/10

[Scuba_Steve]

Best GUI experience (Gnome, KDE and X are shit)

Sorry no, IMO it got shittier after Snow Leopard but still OS X remains the best GUI experience bar none



M$ simply enforce consistency, and the so called fact, is actually Opinion, so that DOES negate your point. That and the fact (actual facts, not Azkle opinion "facts") that Windows is still 90+% of the Market share for the Desktop OS market - if Linux was as great as you make it out to be, why is it only about 1.6% of the desktop Market?

It's pretty much reversed on the mobile market tho; remember alot of MS's market share is due to the reliance on SW that only works on Windows, not because it's a good OS.
Course alot of Linux's shortcomings in the consumer market is it's fragmentation as you mention but the Win SW reliance doesn't help it either




BSODs - Yeah, I've had a shit tonne, wonky Graphics card drivers, OverClocking fun and games, random "Fuck you" BSODs - however most of those were from everything pre Windows 7 - now sure, I've Bluescreened every release of Windows, but Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 - I can't even remember the last time I had a full Blue screen/Black Screen.

I had one the other day when Win10 did one of it's forced mandatory updates, it sent the PC into an infinite reboot loop with the Blue Screen being as far as it'd get on startup... Aren't offical windows updates great! Even better now they're automagic & forced

[Akzle]

X is a GUI Framework, and it's filled with AIDS, and whilst there are many many alternatives and you can indeed customize them, Put it this way - most people buy a Car or a Bike, as opposed to building one from scratch or as a Kit Car.

Sure, you can customize a Kit Car more, and there are a Plethora of bits YOU CAN CHOOSE - but most people purchase a car for the immediate function it can provides - Just like Windows. Again, If Linux was as truly superior in this regard (as you claim) then more people would use it, they don't because most people who have used a Linux Gui go "Eugh!". In fact I remember for a while around 2008-2010 that Dick Smith, Harvey Norman and PBtech were selling PCs prebuilt with Ubuntu - they don't any more - that should be a hint....



AD and Windows, with MS Exchange - it's the Holy Trinity - point is, you can't run AD on Linux, so if you want AD (and all the lovely features therein) you are running Windows - and that, my Dear Akzle is why so many businesses run Windows.



Yes and Yes - there are people who like .Net and people who like ASP and until the advent of .Net Core - if you wanted that, you need Windows.



Yes - that one is factually correct - Windows has the most compatible programs for it.



Yes. Multiple times. Have you ever tried to call Linus Torvald?



MSSQL has the least number of Vulnerabilities and Data breaches consistently when compared to MySQL, Oracle and Postgres.




Doom wasn't developed by the Open Source community.... That's my point, hence it was in a consistent state before being ported. Interestingly enough, now it's in the public domain - we have Zdoom, Jdoom etc. etc. all thanks to Open Source.



Which is entirely the point I'm making - Devs do what Devs want to do, with no restriction - the result is forks, half developed applications, Applications which are called differently depending on the Distros.



Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive:

If there is no choice - there is perfect consistency - everything is the same
If there is Infinite choice, there is perfect inconsistency - nothing in the same

If I jump onto just about any Windows box - I can be guaranteed that notepad is installed, Jump onto any Linux box - is it Vi? Vim? Nano? Emacs (just joking - it's never Emacs)?

That consistency means I don't have to spend 5 minutes faffing around guessing which text editor they happen to have installed.



Seen - or Used? 2 very different realities.



When it comes to end user experience, it's not an argumentum ad populum to say that the OS that has the greatest numbers of End Users must have the best End user Experience - which is.......

WINDOWS!

aaaaand you went full Bog-level retard.
have fun with that, chump.

[bogan]

XisaGUIFramework,andit'sfilledwithAIDS,andwhilstth erearemanymanyalternativesandyoucanindeedcustomize them,Putitthisway-mostpeoplebuyaCaroraBike,asopposedtobuildingonefro mscratchorasaKitCar.

Sure,youcancustomizeaKitCarmore,andthereareaPletho raofbitsYOUCANCHOOSE-butmostpeoplepurchaseacarfortheimmediatefunctionit canprovides-JustlikeWindows.Again,IfLinuxwasastrulysuperiorint hisregard(asyouclaim)thenmorepeoplewoulduseit,they don'tbecausemostpeoplewhohaveusedaLinuxGuigo"Eugh!".InfactIrememberforawhilearound2008-2010thatDickSmith,HarveyNormanandPBtechwereselling PCsprebuiltwithUbuntu-theydon'tanymore-thatshouldbeahint....



ADandWindows,withMSExchange-it'stheHolyTrinity-pointis,youcan'trunADonLinux,soifyouwantAD(andallt helovelyfeaturestherein)youarerunningWindows-andthat,myDearAkzleiswhysomanybusinessesrunWindows .



YesandYes-therearepeoplewholike.NetandpeoplewholikeASPandunt iltheadventof.NetCore-ifyouwantedthat,youneedWindows.



Yes-thatoneisfactuallycorrect-Windowshasthemostcompatibleprogramsforit.



Yes.Multipletimes.HaveyouevertriedtocallLinusTorva ld?



MSSQLhastheleastnumberofVulnerabilitiesandDatabrea chesconsistentlywhencomparedtoMySQL,OracleandPostg res.




Doomwasn'tdevelopedbytheOpenSourcecommunity....Tha t'smypoint,henceitwasinaconsistentstatebeforebeing ported.Interestinglyenough,nowit'sinthepublicdomai n-wehaveZdoom,Jdoometc.etc.allthankstoOpenSource.



WhichisentirelythepointI'mmaking-DevsdowhatDevswanttodo,withnorestriction-theresultisforks,halfdevelopedapplications,Applica tionswhicharecalleddifferentlydependingontheDistro s.



Those2statementsaremutuallyexclusive:

Ifthereisnochoice-thereisperfectconsistency-everythingisthesame
IfthereisInfinitechoice,thereisperfectinconsistenc y-nothinginthesame

IfIjumpontojustaboutanyWindowsbox-Icanbeguaranteedthatnotepadisinstalled,Jumpontoany Linuxbox-isitVi?Vim?Nano?Emacs(justjoking-it'sneverEmacs)?

ThatconsistencymeansIdon'thavetospend5minutesfaffi ngaroundguessingwhichtexteditortheyhappentohaveins talled.



Seen-orUsed?2verydifferentrealities.



Whenitcomestoenduserexperience,it'snotanargumentum adpopulumtosaythattheOSthathasthegreatestnumbersof EndUsersmusthavethebestEnduserExperience-whichis.......

WINDOWS!
aaaaand you went full Bog-level retard.
have fun with that, chump.

Pffft, you wouldn't catch me getting in fucking 47 split quotes like that.

[TheDemonLord]

Sorry no, IMO it got shittier after Snow Leopard but still OS X remains the best GUI experience bar none

I honestly cannot stand OSX - So I'd have to disagree :P


It's pretty much reversed on the mobile market tho; remember alot of MS's market share is due to the reliance on SW that only works on Windows, not because it's a good OS.
Course alot of Linux's shortcomings in the consumer market is it's fragmentation as you mention but the Win SW reliance doesn't help it either

I'd have to ask the question why the software only works on Windows - I'd suggest that a company has to support it's product, and the large variance and fragmentation means that a large number simply don't want to open that Pandoras box.


I had one the other day when Win10 did one of it's forced mandatory updates, it sent the PC into an infinite reboot loop with the Blue Screen being as far as it'd get on startup... Aren't offical windows updates great! Even better now they're automagic & forced

Yeah - Forced updates are a really contentious issue - on the one hand - who are you to tell me when to restart my PC, on the other hand, users don't do updates unless you force them, and those that don't do updates then complain when their system is compromised due to a known vulnerability that you patched 6 months ago.

Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

[TheDemonLord]

aaaaand you went full Bog-level retard.
have fun with that, chump.

I do. Afterall - it's what I do for a day job...

[Akzle]

I do. Afterall - it's what I do for a day job...

i didn't realise "bog level retard" was a formal job description.
though that does kinda clarify a few things about aucklanders.

[Katman]

i didn't realise "bog level retard" was a formal job description.
though that does kinda clarify a few things about aucklanders.

And vaccines.

[TheDemonLord]

i didn't realise "bog level retard" was a formal job description.
though that does kinda clarify a few things about aucklanders.

Well, if you think you can do any better, put your (lack of) money where your mouth is.

[TheDemonLord]

And vaccines.

Yah know Katman, I'd be really careful about making cutting Inferences about other peoples Intellect and/or Mental state, who are discussing a topic that by your own admission is beyond your comprehension.

Jus' Sayin'.

But in case you are interested in attempting to expand your Horizons:

https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop#0

[Brian d marge]

You can track lice by prevalence of typhus, bubonic plague etc. Don't think I need to reference historic rates there do I?

Dead children: https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality/#the-decline-of-infant-mortality-around-the-world

Lifespan: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy/#life-expectancy-has-improved-globally

Poverty: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-share-1820-2015

But I'm sure that if you dig deep enough there's probably some advantage in an ugly, brutish and short life. No illiterate fuckwits whining about how The Man suppresses them sounds attractive.Oh I am silly , it forgot your " The big book of facts" annual 1908

Can't argue with the big book of facts

I'll try , but it's stiff competition.

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[Brian d marge]

X is a GUI Framework, and it's filled with AIDS, and whilst there are many many alternatives and you can indeed customize them, Put it this way - most people buy a Car or a Bike, as opposed to building one from scratch or as a Kit Car.

Sure, you can customize a Kit Car more, and there are a Plethora of bits YOU CAN CHOOSE - but most people purchase a car for the immediate function it can provides - Just like Windows. Again, If Linux was as truly superior in this regard (as you claim) then more people would use it, they don't because most people who have used a Linux Gui go "Eugh!". In fact I remember for a while around 2008-2010 that Dick Smith, Harvey Norman and PBtech were selling PCs prebuilt with Ubuntu - they don't any more - that should be a hint....



AD and Windows, with MS Exchange - it's the Holy Trinity - point is, you can't run AD on Linux, so if you want AD (and all the lovely features therein) you are running Windows - and that, my Dear Akzle is why so many businesses run Windows.



Yes and Yes - there are people who like .Net and people who like ASP and until the advent of .Net Core - if you wanted that, you need Windows.



Yes - that one is factually correct - Windows has the most compatible programs for it.



Yes. Multiple times. Have you ever tried to call Linus Torvald?



MSSQL has the least number of Vulnerabilities and Data breaches consistently when compared to MySQL, Oracle and Postgres.




Doom wasn't developed by the Open Source community.... That's my point, hence it was in a consistent state before being ported. Interestingly enough, now it's in the public domain - we have Zdoom, Jdoom etc. etc. all thanks to Open Source.



Which is entirely the point I'm making - Devs do what Devs want to do, with no restriction - the result is forks, half developed applications, Applications which are called differently depending on the Distros.



Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive:

If there is no choice - there is perfect consistency - everything is the same
If there is Infinite choice, there is perfect inconsistency - nothing in the same

If I jump onto just about any Windows box - I can be guaranteed that notepad is installed, Jump onto any Linux box - is it Vi? Vim? Nano? Emacs (just joking - it's never Emacs)?

That consistency means I don't have to spend 5 minutes faffing around guessing which text editor they happen to have installed.



Seen - or Used? 2 very different realities.



When it comes to end user experience, it's not an argumentum ad populum to say that the OS that has the greatest numbers of End Users must have the best End user Experience - which is.......

WINDOWS!I am an average end user and I hate friggen thing ( windows).

Apple .... Oh let's buy only Mac because you have to ...all I want to do is play a MP3

Which leave Linux mint and Ubuntu ( which ain't so hot)

Which if it doesn't work a quick search and cut and paste into terminal sorts it

Failing that save home folder ( or on install create partion and the save Ur home folder there) .. and then reinstall , 10min incl software

Sorted . And free.



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[TheDemonLord]

I am an average end user and I hate friggen thing ( windows).

Apple .... Oh let's buy only Mac because you have to ...all I want to do is play a MP3

Which leave Linux mint and Ubuntu ( which ain't so hot)

Which if it doesn't work a quick search and cut and paste into terminal sorts it

Failing that save home folder ( or on install create partion and the save Ur home folder there) .. and then reinstall , 10min incl software

Sorted . And free.



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Which is fair enough.

Also - you used the word Partition correctly - you're more advanced than an average end user...

[Brian d marge]

Which is fair enough.

Also - you used the word Partition correctly - you're more advanced than an average end user...

must spread , percys green around ,,,,

[Akzle]

Well, if you think you can do any better, put your (lack of) money where your mouth is.

at being retarded?

...that's not actually a competition most people would want to win

[Ocean1]

Oh I am silly , it forgot your " The big book of facts" annual 1908

Can't argue with the big book of facts

I'll try , but it's stiff competition.

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Why bother?

Instead of pretending the bogeyman's out to get everyone and Armageddon's minutes away why not simply accept the facts? The world's a fucking sight better off than it's ever been, thanks to the decline of socialism and the growth of international free trade.

[Brian d marge]

Why bother?

Instead of pretending the bogeyman's out to get everyone and Armageddon's minutes away why not simply accept the facts? The world's a fucking sight better off than it's ever been, thanks to the decline of socialism and the growth of international free trade.Have you actually looked at the world . And iffen u have, I honestly think it's all ok

Now let's go back to pre East India company ltd and compare notes

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[T.W.R]

Have you actually looked at the world . And iffen u have, I honestly think it's all ok

Obviously hasn't paid much attention to THIS (http://thebulletin.org/sites/default/files/Final%202017%20Clock%20Statement.pdf) then ;)

[Ocean1]

Have you actually looked at the world . And iffen u have, I honestly think it's all ok

Now let's go back to pre East India company ltd and compare notes

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I live here. Fucked if I know what planet you live on but around here pretty much every metric for standard of living is better now than at any time in history.

Sure, shit could be better, but ffs stop whining about how everyone's doomed.

If you have numbers that show different let's have 'em, but I'm pickin' you're full of shite as usual. I mean, how many times do you need to lose this argument before you actually recognise the fact? :laugh:

[bogan]

Can't argue with the big book of facts

I'll try , but it's stiff competition.

Think that's the idea of facts init... In this age of alternate facts and other various shades of moron who refuse to discuss the reasoning behind theirs, it's hard to put too higher an importance on such a big book of facts.

[Brian d marge]

I live here. Fucked if I know what planet you live on but around here pretty much every metric for standard of living is better now than at any time in history.

Sure, shit could be better, but ffs stop whining about how everyone's doomed.

If you have numbers that show different let's have 'em, but I'm pickin' you're full of shite as usual. I mean, how many times do you need to lose this argument before you actually recognise the fact? [emoji23]everytime we. go through this , I spend time , you look stupid then ignore everything else ..
we did it with entropy , houses and interest rates , no sorry, that was the other intellectual
Now at this point I honestly have not looked into this. but I know the knowledge our forefather's had was far superior to the garbage we have today ..
so as I said before , if u are game, I am game and no, the CIA big book of facts doesn't cut it or I will quote articles from the sun newspaper or stuff.co.nz which ever is easier

and IF you do live on this planet you will have noticed it falling apart thanks to your and people such as your good selfs, inability to comprehend , take head out of arse and finally act upon.

Clean water , good food and a roof over your head , all within an reasonable work ( energy ) exchange ...

in this day and age ? ..... one thinks you may need to go outside more



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[Brian d marge]

fuck of bogan , you as the only person on my ignore list and I can still see Ur posts ... what does one have to do to erase you from this medium ..There is hope for Ocean , I would even and have offered to buy him a beer . I may disagree , and even enjoy his rather one sided replys
but you have a mental disorder,. period ,

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[bogan]

fuck of bogan , you as the only person on my ignore list and I can still see Ur posts ... what does one have to do to erase you from this medium ..There is hope for Ocean , I would even and have offered to buy him a beer . I may disagree , and even enjoy his rather one sided replys
but you have a mental disorder,. period ,

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Learn how to computer?

Learn how to have an open mind?

Learn how to logically analyse your own position and be strong enough to recognise the futility?

Learn not to see stifling the voice of one who seeks rational discussion as an appropriate response?

I mean, there's more than one way to skin a cat, but I think you've caught a tiger by the tail and are confusing it with a snake (who shed their skin after feeding enough to grow to the next size).

[Brian d marge]

learn how to fuck off

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[bogan]

learn how to fuck off

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:lol: what crawled up your arse today? Try unignoring me then re-ignoring me, might reset some of the fuses...











...cos your's is evidently well short :bleh:

[sidecar bob]

learn how to fuck off

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I'm mildly amused that your need for us to know what type of device you are using, is longer, more interesting & informative than the post itself.:facepalm:

[Ocean1]

everytime we. go through this , I spend time , you look stupid then ignore everything else ..
we did it with entropy , houses and interest rates , no sorry, that was the other intellectual
Now at this point I honestly have not looked into this. but I know the knowledge our forefather's had was far superior to the garbage we have today ..
so as I said before , if u are game, I am game and no, the CIA big book of facts doesn't cut it or I will quote articles from the sun newspaper or stuff.co.nz which ever is easier

and IF you do live on this planet you will have noticed it calling apart thanks to your and people such as your good selfs, inability to comprehend , take head out of arse and finally act upon.

Clean water , good food and a roof over your head , all within an reasonable work ( energy ) exchange ...

in this day and age ? ..... one thinks you may need to go outside more



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No, no, what happens is you shoot your mouth off, I present facts showing you're wrong and you wibble about for the next several posts avoiding any rational discourse.

Break the mould, dude, track down some actual facts, show me where parasites, infant mortality, life expectancy and poverty were better before the East India Bogeyman got involved, eh?

You can add worldwide numbers with access to potable water and adequate nutrition if it's something you feel strongly about.

Or just wibble some more, I don't care, just don't expect to be taken seriously.

[Brian d marge]

you do live on a different planet. I have 2times at least from memory , done a search , one this thread I believe , and presented to you , your misconceptions . I can drag them up if you want but the question is shall we explore the original question>?

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[Brian d marge]

technology mate , does this automatically , kinda like digital ignition systems.

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[Brian d marge]

I knew this would be interesting , have a look , put down the German book , and think for your self .
grain is playing it's evil hand , ( again , where have we seen this before , Turkey ? )
but there is a clear difference ........

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[Ocean1]

No, no, what happens is you shoot your mouth off, I present facts showing you're wrong and you wibble about for the next several posts avoiding any rational discourse.

Break the mould, dude, track down some actual facts, show me where parasites, infant mortality, life expectancy and poverty were better before the East India Bogeyman got involved, eh?

You can add worldwide numbers with access to potable water and adequate nutrition if it's something you feel strongly about.

Or just wibble some more, I don't care, just don't expect to be taken seriously.


you do live on a different planet. I have 2times at least from memory , done a search , one this thread I believe , and presented to you , your misconceptions . I can drag them up if you want but the question is shall we explore the original question>?

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:laugh: I see you edited to remove reference to "my misconceptions"

Nevermind, I think this is what you had in mind? https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/167546-Cunliffe-s-constituent-Liu?p=1130741087#post1130741087

Where you insisted that your own numbers and calculations proved you were right? :laugh:

As for the original question: it was my question: "show me where parasites, infant mortality, life expectancy and poverty were better before the East India Bogeyman got involved"

How many times do you want me to ask it before you produce anything but "wibble"?

[Brian d marge]

u need only to ask once
I didn't edit anything I rarely do
and unlike u I need some time to look into things to form an opinion
and as it stands , I've just read through 2 medical reports and now reading through some native archives
as I said , very interesting



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[mashman]

fuck of bogan , you as the only person on my ignore list and I can still see Ur posts ... what does one have to do to erase you from this medium ..There is hope for Ocean , I would even and have offered to buy him a beer . I may disagree , and even enjoy his rather one sided replys
but you have a mental disorder,. period ,

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He ain't the only one on my ignore list, but same as you, his posts still show. Will have to do it by eye instead.

[mashman]

u need only to ask once
I didn't edit anything I rarely do
and unlike u I need some time to look into things to form an opinion
and as it stands , I've just read through 2 medical reports and now reading through some native archives
as I said , very interesting



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I find a good source for this sort of info is reading the dietary changes and effects on indigenous populations in modern time. The direct link is without question. Sadly interesting reading out there. I'd say leave the moron be, but to be fair, he reminds me just how exceptionally stupid people can be. He makes politicians look good.

[Brian d marge]

I find a good source for this sort of info is reading the dietary changes and effects on indigenous populations in modern time. The direct link is without question. Sadly interesting reading out there. I'd say leave the moron be, but to be fair, he reminds me just how exceptionally stupid people can be. He makes politicians look good.
So far its been fascinating reading
turns out that a grain based diet aint so hot but a varied diet , as u get from nomadic people is a lot better .. BOTH groups had early child hood woes BUT the evidence of the child mortality rate (for both groups) is a best guess , it also depends on WHEN u is , for example the the great war to end all wars , dropped the figure a tad , so did the plague ...and those Spanish blankets

[bogan]

He ain't the only one on my ignore list, but same as you, his posts still show. Will have to do it by eye instead.

Hack the system, down with conformist fat cat's ignoristic ideals!


So far its been fascinating reading
turns out that a grain based diet aint so hot but a varied diet , as u get from nomadic people is a lot better .. BOTH groups had early child hood woes BUT the evidence of the child mortality rate (for both groups) is a best guess , it also depends on WHEN u is , for example the the great war to end all wars , dropped the figure a tad , so did the plague ...and those Spanish blankets

You're thinking there was a pretty big rise (10x) leading up to the 1800s from the days of nomads then? Did the industrial revolution kill heaps of kids before propelling society towards the technical wonders that have reduced childhood mortality by a factor of 10x?

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https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality/

[husaberg]

technology mate , does this automatically , kinda like digital ignition systems.

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You can turn it off you know....:bleh:

[bogan]

You can turn it off you know....:bleh:

Might be a windows only option :innocent:

[husaberg]

Might be a windows only option :innocent:

Yeah.............
I have Never heard anyone bragging about how great android is
http://lefunny.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Mac-now-supports-windows.jpg

[mashman]

So far its been fascinating reading
turns out that a grain based diet aint so hot but a varied diet , as u get from nomadic people is a lot better .. BOTH groups had early child hood woes BUT the evidence of the child mortality rate (for both groups) is a best guess , it also depends on WHEN u is , for example the the great war to end all wars , dropped the figure a tad , so did the plague ...and those Spanish blankets

Fo shizzle. One of the dietary ones I was reading compared a two of areas where there were Aborigines. One group had a life expectancy of 69.7 and one 57.1. Needless to say that most of the elder living population were still eating according to their customs. The other lot were eating the modern day diet. Go figure eh.

[Brian d marge]

Fo shizzle. One of the dietary ones I was reading compared a two of areas where there were Aborigines. One group had a life expectancy of 69.7 and one 57.1. Needless to say that most of the elder living population were still eating according to their customs. The other lot were eating the modern day diet. Go figure eh.Yup that's what I'm reading too
But the rich child eating lizards bump the life expectancy up in Europe
Interesting though

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[mashman]

Yup that's what I'm reading too
But the rich child eating lizards bump the life expectancy up in Europe
Interesting though

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I'd be interested to learn their definition of human.

[Brian d marge]

I'd be interested to learn their definition of human.Oh Pandoras box needs the hinges oiled..... Don't half make a noise when u open it

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[mashman]

Oh Pandoras box needs the hinges oiled..... Don't half make a noise when u open it

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That's just the wailing of the cognitively dissonant.

[Brian d marge]

That's just the wailing of the cognitively dissonant.

Therefore thus says the LORD God of hosts, the Lord, "There is wailing in all the plazas, And in all the streets they say, 'Alas! Alas!' They also call the farmer to mourning And professional cognitively dissonant mourners to lamentation.

[mashman]

Therefore thus says the LORD God of hosts, the Lord, "There is wailing in all the plazas, And in all the streets they say, 'Alas! Alas!' They also call the farmer to mourning And professional cognitively dissonant mourners to lamentation.

I knew it was a mistranslation.

Whilst words fail sometimes... laughter is constant (https://nz.yahoo.com/news/twitter-erupts-over-woman-apos-221152330.html).

[mashman]

Oh irony... or indeed fake news satire. Recently Zuckerberg accused Musk of scaremongering when it comes to AI. And then this (might have) happened (http://m.digitaljournal.com/tech-and-science/technology/a-step-closer-to-skynet-ai-invents-a-language-humans-can-t-read/article/498142). Did AI throw a satirical tanty (I hope so). Either way, tis highly amusing watching humans playing with things they really have no idea about.

[Brian d marge]

Oh irony. Either way, tis highly amusing watching humans playing with things they really have no idea about.

Women , ..if only there was a manual....( I still won't read it)

Btw , the boys are up to something ... Antarctica, ai , no alcohol beer,

The fkers are up to something and it ain't good for us ...

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[oldrider]

The most informative article on the internet - (which history actually supports) https://www.henrymakow.com/

[Voltaire]

The most informative article on the internet - (which history actually supports) https://www.henrymakow.com/

Jesus was wrong about sheep new study shows.:laugh:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8335465/Sheep-are-far-smarter-than-previously-thought.html

[oldrider]

Jesus was wrong about sheep new study shows.:laugh:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8335465/Sheep-are-far-smarter-than-previously-thought.html

Quote: She is also now conducting tests to see whether sheep are able to plan ahead.

There is a freezing works at the end of our road - they (sheep) haven't got a lot to plan ahead for have they? :blip: Supports Marko's article - they are not in control! :no:

[Ocean1]

Supports Marko's article

Sheep?

I think even sheep have more intelligence than that.

[mashman]

Fossil fuel subsidies are a staggering $5 tn per year (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/aug/07/fossil-fuel-subsidies-are-a-staggering-5-tn-per-year)... lollies.

[oldrider]

Trump’s Knowledge of Lebanese Situation Is Non-Existent https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/08/08/trump-knowledge-lebanese-situation-non-existent.html :rolleyes:

[bogan]

Fossil fuel subsidies are a staggering $5 tn per year (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/aug/07/fossil-fuel-subsidies-are-a-staggering-5-tn-per-year)... lollies.

Be interesting to see the subsidies for renewable energy resources as well...

[Katman]

Be interesting to see the subsidies for renewable energy resources as well...

Any sensible person would be hoping for substantial subsidies for the renewable energy sector.

[bogan]

Any sensible person would be hoping for substantial subsidies for the renewable energy sector.

Correct, and such a figure would help give perspective to the fossil fuel subsidies. I'm stating the obvious here, but those subsidies are not direct, it's for things like carbon taxes, supply costs, pollution control; it's obtained by estimating the true cost compared to what is paid, not by adding up direct subsidies (which just as obviously, don't add up to 6.5% of the world's GDP).

[Katman]

Correct, and such a figure would help give perspective to the fossil fuel subsidies.

Why should the fossil fuel sector get any subsidies?

[bogan]

Why should the fossil fuel sector get any subsidies?

They shouldn't, and if you read the rest of my post, it gives some perspective to that question and how it relates to the studies. Or you could just read the study in question, even the abstract might be helpful for you.

[ellipsis]

...I reckon you all need a break...take 13 minutes to refresh the soul and get the heart pumping...

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[Brian d marge]

...I reckon you all need a break...take 13 minutes to refresh the soul and get the heart pumping...

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. Why should the fossil fuel sector get any subsidies?

see the above film , more more I say ...peak oil my arse ...

[mashman]

. Why should the fossil fuel sector get any subsidies?

see the above film , more more I say ...peak oil my arse ...

Ironically the fuel save by not producing things like fidget spinners, barbie dolls, board games, magazines etc... would allow for your more :)

[mashman]

Our Broken Economy, in One Simple Chart (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/07/opinion/leonhardt-income-inequality.html)... say it ain't so. I guess they deserve it :killingme.

[Brian d marge]

Ironically the fuel save by not producing things like fidget spinners, barbie dolls, board games, magazines etc... would allow for your more :)

board games do not use fossil fuels , usually is an organic lube water based :banana:

[mashman]

board games do not use fossil fuels , usually is an organic lube water based :banana:

heh... packaging, fancy moulded plastic insert, instruction book, peaces (heh) etc... could be worth 0.1k.

[Brian d marge]

Next time u meet anyone who participate in these meetings , ask em .. it's water based and lots is consumed. One of the games I like is the postman only comes twice , me and the secretary play it after the board meets ...

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[mashman]

Next time u meet anyone who participate in these meetings , ask em .. it's water based and lots is consumed. One of the games I like is the postman only comes twice , me and the secretary play it after the board meets ...

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Ahhh ha ha haaaaaa...... not a 4 play game then.

[Brian d marge]

Ahhh ha ha haaaaaa...... not a 4 play game then.

have no idea what 4 play is. :innocent:

[mashman]

have no idea what 4 play is. :innocent:

Mrs. Doubtfire: Poor Winston's idea of foreplay was, "Brace yourself, Effie."

[oldrider]

Putting the cat amongst the pigeons 101. - : https://www.bitchute.com/video/tq1J8IBxpeS5/ :shutup:

[mashman]

Pollution comes from production. Production equals growth. We need more growth. We vote for parties who promote growth. We want those we vote in to tackle pollution... just not at the expense of production. Bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa. Morons.

[Ocean1]

Pollution comes from production. Production equals growth. We need more growth. We vote for parties who promote growth. We want those we vote in to tackle pollution... just not at the expense of production. Bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa. Morons.

Wow, that's all so right!

Except the pollution bit, pollution actually comes from waste.

And the bit where production actually equals survival.

And the only people that need growth are lazy cunts, in the productivity department.

But you go right ahead and vote for your stardust mate, she'll cut the fuck out of all that nasty production AND give all those lazy cunts a raise. :laugh:

[Voltaire]

Are you saying that going to Uni, "working" in the UK for labour, heading up a Youth Group and being on the tax funded opposition benches for 10 years is not

sufficient work experience to be the PM :lol:

Like being on holidays for 20 years.

[Brian d marge]

Depends what u define as pollution. As we become more efficient we use more of the thing we are trying to conserve ,. Ex gas shortages in America led to more efficient cars gas prices dropped ...we drive SUVs now... As societies transition form a low input high return to a high input low return , efficiencies increase and waste decreases, to the point of reduced or zero returns and the society collapses. Ur taxes are a case in point , they will just get more and more in order to main the status quo, ( energy use in a complex system)......

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[Brian d marge]

Are you saying that going to Uni, "working" in the UK for labour, heading up a Youth Group and being on the tax funded opposition benches for 10 years is not

sufficient work experience to be the PM [emoji38]

Like being on holidays for 20 years.No no she is different, she's a woman , and has had a rockstar career and is from a normal working class background and is fighting for the workers ... Different mask on the same polished turd , makes sheepie happy .....

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[Brian d marge]

Wow, that's all so right!

Except the pollution bit, pollution actually comes from waste.

And the bit where production actually equals survival.

And the only people that need growth are lazy cunts, in the productivity department.

But you go right ahead and vote for your stardust mate, she'll cut the fuck out of all that nasty production AND give all those lazy cunts a raise. [emoji23]More cows should do the trick

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[Laava]

Pollution comes from production. Production equals growth. We need more growth. We vote for parties who promote growth. We want those we vote in to tackle pollution... just not at the expense of production. Bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa. Morons.

Wrong. Pollution comes from people. We need less people. Who is doing anything, or even talking about that as being a problem? So until then we keep creating more pollution, extinguishing species etc and taking the odd sidestep to convince ourselves we are doing the right thing and making a difference, sadly we continue on the same speedy growth curve. The only non controversial thing you can do is not have kids...

[Brian d marge]

Wrong. Pollution comes from people. We need less people. Who is doing anything, or even talking about that as being a problem? So until then we keep creating more pollution, extinguishing species etc and taking the odd sidestep to convince ourselves we are doing the right thing and making a difference, sadly we continue on the same speedy growth curve. The only non controversial thing you can do is not have kids...
you been reading the Georgia Guide stones again?

If you gave all the people in the world an Hong Kong sized apartment , you could get the enitre world in to the state of Texas , There is plenty of room

Pollution comes from people , yes , but due to the structure that the people are " forced" to live in and the effects of that condition. The debate of late has been about the state of the rivers in NZ , well just up the road from me is a large river ( nagatoro) and that water is perfectly drinkable ,( I know Ive drunk enough of it , "wibble" )

it is entirely possible to live in a tree hugging environmentally sustainable way WITH a CR500, ( dont get me started on that global warmin bollox ) just that the fkrs that run this show are satanic nutjobs ,who quite frankly dont give a rats arse about u me or anyone

get rid of them and start looking after ur community and all will be sweet ..

[Laava]

You might be right Stephen but that only applies to today. In another 20 yrs? 50? Bearing in mind that the largely populated countries are often the poorest with a high population growth? What about them? So in spite of any aid they are given, who is doing anything about the ongoing root problem? Or even talking about it? *tumbleweeds*

[Brian d marge]

You might be right Stephen but that only applies to today. In another 20 yrs? 50? Bearing in mind that the largely populated countries are often the poorest with a high population growth? What about them? So in spite of any aid they are given, who is doing anything about the ongoing root problem? Or even talking about it? *tumbleweeds*Thomas Malthus ( if I've got the spelling right) said exactly what Ur saying and it resulted in the poor laws
Same satanic fkrs behind it then , Thomas galton when on to look at frenology ( the study of the bumps in Ur head ) which led to eugenics which the chicken farmer of the Thule society ( himler ) used to great effect.

Thing is the population ( now I'm doing this from memory half way through the first cup of coffee of the day)...the population is declining in many western countries due to low sperm count ( plastic and other toxins ) and the total faggotry of the current crop of boys , u should see the gay faggots over here checkin their hair in the mirror ,

The earth can support a shitload more people , but a shit load of angry people are difficult to control , so ya get them fighting and fkin monkeys)

There may well be a time in the future when there is too many people , but it's a way in the future and there won't be any 2 stroke motorcycle anywhere , only photos in a dusty encyclopedia...


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[mashman]

Wow, that's all so right!

Except the pollution bit, pollution actually comes from waste.

And the bit where production actually equals survival.

And the only people that need growth are lazy cunts, in the productivity department.

But you go right ahead and vote for your stardust mate, she'll cut the fuck out of all that nasty production AND give all those lazy cunts a raise. :laugh:

See below regarding survival. As for the rest of your post :killingme


Depends what u define as pollution. As we become more efficient we use more of the thing we are trying to conserve ,. Ex gas shortages in America led to more efficient cars gas prices dropped ...we drive SUVs now... As societies transition form a low input high return to a high input low return , efficiencies increase and waste decreases, to the point of reduced or zero returns and the society collapses. Ur taxes are a case in point , they will just get more and more in order to main the status quo, ( energy use in a complex system)......

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[Brian d marge]

See below regarding survival. As for the rest of your post :killingmeGold , he couldn't even grasp entropy.

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[mashman]

Wrong. Pollution comes from people. We need less people. Who is doing anything, or even talking about that as being a problem? So until then we keep creating more pollution, extinguishing species etc and taking the odd sidestep to convince ourselves we are doing the right thing and making a difference, sadly we continue on the same speedy growth curve. The only non controversial thing you can do is not have kids...

Don't worry, mandatory vaccination should do the trick ;). It's not a population problem. It's a what and why we produce problem... hence the need for persistent growth to be able to fund an economy that produces whatever anyone wants regardless of its cost in terms of pollution. After all, the pollution has a $ component built into it. You know, a pay to pollute policy that the general public picks that tab up on because they're they end user. That's a pretty fucked up approach to anything... let alone on a finite planet. So yeah, til the reasons to produce are gone, we will pollute and will accept this pollution because it makes someone money. Enjoy your growth :bleh:

[mashman]

Gold , he couldn't even grasp entropy.

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heh... I reckon he should change his name to Puddle, coz he simply doesn't have that sort of depth of perception. It's like asking political candidates to explain their employment policy in light of the oncoming onslaught that is technological unemployment. Similarly their response to pollution and need for economic growth and resultant need for production resources. The answer is pretty easy, but no one wants to hear it coz they believe that they'll somehow lose something in the shuffle. It's highly entertaining, if not somewhat concerning :laugh:

[Ocean1]

See below regarding survival. As for the rest of your post :killingme

See drivel for the answer? Well I'm in the right place.


And try producing nothing to see how long you survive... Oh wait, you're right, sitting at home on teh dole is absolutely a superb alternative to work. :laugh:

[Ocean1]

Gold , he couldn't even grasp entropy.

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No, you just didn't comprehend how thoroughly you failed to understand the answer.

As always.

[oldrider]

Things the average citizen may never likely know about? http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=236 check it out challenge it for factualness. :o

[Brian d marge]

See drivel for the answer? Well I'm in the right place.


And try producing nothing to see how long you survive... Oh wait, you're right, sitting at home on teh dole is absolutely a superb alternative to work. [emoji23]Someone has got that game sewn up already ,I was going color some paper and call it currency


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[Brian d marge]

No, you just didn't comprehend how thoroughly you failed to understand the answer.

As always.Well I did try to get u to explain , many times but you didn't , couldn't , and wouldn't , so I looked it up for myself and found ..

You hadn't a fkin clue and or were talking bollox

And in fact for shits and giggles , the question still remains

Can you explain the metaphor of entropy with regard to either currency or money
In ,( and I'll make it easy ). In a closed system

Ball your court

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[mashman]

See drivel for the answer? Well I'm in the right place.


And try producing nothing to see how long you survive... Oh wait, you're right, sitting at home on teh dole is absolutely a superb alternative to work. :laugh:

Correct. You are in the right frame of mind. Glad I'm not there :).

I'd say you missed the point... but you're in the right frame of mind :killingme.

[mashman]

Irma Won’t “Wake Up” Climate Change-Denying Republicans. Their Whole Ideology Is on the Line. (https://theintercept.com/2017/09/11/irma-donald-trump-tax-cuts-climate-change-republican-ideology-capitalism/). Sounds like hot air bubbles from the salty water.

[Brian d marge]

Irma Won’t “Wake Up” Climate Change-Denying Republicans. Their Whole Ideology Is on the Line. (https://theintercept.com/2017/09/11/irma-donald-trump-tax-cuts-climate-change-republican-ideology-capitalism/). Sounds like hot air bubbles from the salty water.Oh oh ,is the climate changing then , hope it gets warmer ,
Those castles started to get a bit chilly

And does that mean no more solar flares , I likes them , 2 days later we get an earthquake
So far the missus thinks I am a legend in the bedroom, little does she know I'm timed to the solar flare .hehehe



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[mashman]

Oh oh ,is the climate changing then , hope it gets warmer ,
Those castles started to get a bit chilly

And does that mean no more solar flares , I likes them , 2 days later we get an earthquake
So far the missus thinks I am a legend in the bedroom, little does she know I'm timed to the solar flare .hehehe



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Apparently so. It seems like climate scientists are worried about sea level rises n shit. I think the govt are suing god for funds to fix the issue.

[Brian d marge]

waiting for the 272 Chiswick (Grove Park) - Turnham Green - Acton Green - Emlyn Road - Acton Vale - East Acton - White City Station - Shepherd's Bush

is like waiting for a large watery mass to rise , ....or answer

[oldrider]

I listened to this and learned stuff I didn't know and confirmed stuff that I did! - interesting for those who may be interested. :corn:
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The real Winston Churchill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnZ0fXlEiUU&bpctr=1506242734Interesting reading the text on YouTube.

[Brian d marge]

I listened to this and learned stuff I didn't know and confirmed stuff that I did! - interesting for those who may be interested. :corn:


The real Winston Churchill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnZ0fXlEiUU&bpctr=1506242734Interesting reading the text on YouTube.
while he may have his distractors , his research has uncovered quite a bit .

[oldrider]

Don't Feel Sorry For American Blacks :- :corn:

by Lanny Goodman:- https://www.henrymakow.com/

[mashman]

Capitalism is ending because it has made itself obsolete, former Greek finance minister Yannis Varoufakis says (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/yannis-varoufakis-capitalism-ending-obsolete-former-greek-finance-minister-artificial-intelligence-a8006826.html)... he must be sour about what happened in Greece :killingme

[mashman]

Likely the same result in NZ. The evidence so far shows a striking number of business owners unaware of the same thing. So here, learn something. How the actual magic money tree works (https://www.theguardian.com/global/shortcuts/2017/oct/29/how-the-actual-magic-money-tree-works)

[Brian d marge]

Capitalism is ending because it has made itself obsolete, former Greek finance minister Yannis Varoufakis says (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/yannis-varoufakis-capitalism-ending-obsolete-former-greek-finance-minister-artificial-intelligence-a8006826.html)... he must be sour about what happened in Greece :killingmeIs the turkey saying Xmas is over......?

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[mashman]

Is the turkey saying Xmas is over......?

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If it means I miss my turkish delight... then no.

[Brian d marge]

If it means I miss my turkish delight... then no.That is," replied Martin, "there is a pleasure in having no pleasure

(Candide)

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[mashman]

That is," replied Martin, "there is a pleasure in having no pleasure

(Candide)

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Victorian Dad (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7s_nTsIMAA58UC.jpg)

[Brian d marge]

Victorian Dad (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7s_nTsIMAA58UC.jpg)Get oorrfffhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171030/b309387c8917164052095a863d172aa3.jpg

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[oldrider]

US Masses Ships and Aircraft Outside North Korea
By Peter Symonds

October 30, 2017

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48125.htm Trump a Huffing and a puffing till he blows their house in? - meanwhile in Iraq, Syria or even Iran? :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

US Masses Ships and Aircraft Outside North Korea
By Peter Symonds

October 30, 2017

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48125.htm Trump a Huffing and a puffing till he blows their house in? - meanwhile in Iraq, Syria or even Iran? :shifty:They been there for a while . Last time I checked they were doing a loop between the middle east and the Japan sea...... And do remember they all had a major refit a year or so ago ....it's seemed mad at the time to have most of your carriers in at the same time ......madness ...unless you had a plan...

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[oldrider]

Israeli expansion in occupied USA draws temporary resistance. - http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/ .. Making America Great Again? :scratch:

Another great Trump MAGA appointment? (Not!):- https://israelpalestinenews.org/trump-taps-head-anti-palestinian-group-top-civil-rights-enforcer/

[mashman]

Queenstown's draft restriction on homestays angers Airbnb (https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/queenstowns-draft-restriction-homestays-angers-airbnb)... If you're brave enough, have a watch of the video and decide who are the ordinary people :killingme.

[oldrider]

Debunking Two American Myths:- https://southfront.org/debunking-two-american-myths/ Interesting stuff. :corn:

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[mashman]

The House Just Stripped Medical Marijuana States Of Protection From The DEA (https://www.civilized.life/articles/medical-marijuana-states-stripped-dea-protection/)... :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

The House Just Stripped Medical Marijuana States Of Protection From The DEA (https://www.civilized.life/articles/medical-marijuana-states-stripped-dea-protection/)... :facepalm:

looks like they do want civil war , Im glad really , dont want Monsanto messing with me sister plant and destroying its spirit

[Ocean1]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/99063458/new-sparkling-grape-juice-being-treated-like-booze

:facepalm:

[Katman]

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/11/australian-paedophile-spared-jail-for-child-sex-crimes.html

[mashman]

Fifteen dead in food aid stampede in Morocco - ministry (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/fifteen-dead-food-aid-stampede-morocco-ministry-161602926.html)

[EJK]

Mike Hughes is about to launch himself in his homemade rocket to prove the Earth is flat (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11946561)

Surprisingly not one of KB members...

[Banditbandit]

Mike Hughes is about to launch himself in his homemade rocket to prove the Earth is flat (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11946561)

Surprisingly not one of KB members...

Ya almost hope he makes it - just so he proves himself wrong ..

[oldrider]

Why are they moving and what do they know?? https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/933076822253809664 :scratch:

[oldrider]

JFK and the Lost Prospects For Peace https://jamesftracy.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/jfk-and-the-lost-prospects-for-peace/ - Interesting? :corn: Oh the deterioration to the now! :rolleyes:

Parallel reading: The JFK Assassination 54 Years Later https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/11/22/kamran-jfk/

[oldrider]

White Candidates Banned from Applying for Job at BBC, Where Ethnic Minorities Already Over-Represented http://truepundit.com/white-candidates-banned-from-applying-for-job-at-bbc-where-ethnic-minorities-already-over-represented/ :doh:

[Jeff Sichoe]

Job Details
12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

I wonder how they would deal with a nut-job who identifies as a fucking mermaid

[oldrider]

The whole idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [Marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other. - Myron Coureval Fagan

Sound anything like what is happening in our world today? - :scratch:

[Ocean1]

Sound anything like what is happening in our world today? - :scratch:

Well there's certainly a significant divide between conspiracy theorists and the rational world.

Which just has to be a conspriacy, dunnit?

[oldrider]

Well there's certainly a significant divide between conspiracy theorists and the rational world.

Which just has to be a conspriacy, dunnit?

True! - dare yourself to listen/watch this video and come up with a more "rational" conclusion than the presenter does - bet you can. :yes:

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“The general population doesn’t know what’s happening, and it doesn’t even know that it doesn’t know.” ~Noam Chomsky

[oldrider]

Whitephobic corporations wage relentless psychological warfare on you. Commercials portray white men as doofuses and bottoms for homosexuals, compared to alpha black males.

I.E. repeat repeat repeat until it becomes "fact" - it's always worked for lies and now, thanks to TV, it's used for selective trend setting! :yes: - :rolleyes:

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[oldrider]

The Most Oddly Satisfying Building Demolition Video In The World - Amazing Implosions Explosion? - surely not as good as 9/11? :scratch:

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[oldrider]

Here is one suggested explanation - True or false? - Check it out, not main stream but hey! :scratch:

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[Brian d marge]

White Candidates Banned from Applying for Job at BBC, Where Ethnic Minorities Already Over-Represented http://truepundit.com/white-candidates-banned-from-applying-for-job-at-bbc-where-ethnic-minorities-already-over-represented/ :doh:Get with the beat baggy!
Androgeny is a higher form of being according to the Kabbalah ... The nut jobs actually think transhumanism is achieving a God like status..... Btw who are these nuts , bill Clinton is one see the red string on his wrist sometimes ..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171128/787caa34450d38af242ef4bbde9208f4.jpg

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[EJK]

The Most Oddly Satisfying Building Demolition Video In The World - Amazing Implosions Explosion? - surely not as good as 9/11? :scratch:

Wow. All I can see is engineering perfection. Whoever was the project manager for those implosions deserve every dollar they get, and more!

[oldrider]

Ignore the emotional crap and consider the meat of this message and compare it the situation of today - true or fake? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=X_72Pa8HUOI -

Where there is suggestion of smoke is there any fire? - Usually it is assumed to be so - you be the judge! :corn:

[Banditbandit]

And from the completely inconsequential side of life ... Bunny Hopping Championships .. apparently it's a widespread sport in Europe and people take part in international competitions



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptyKSiRyQ4Y ...

[oldrider]

Fake news items for your enlightenment - or not? :confused: http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.co.nz/ :corn:

[Viking01]

And from the completely inconsequential side of life ... Bunny Hopping Championships .. apparently it's a widespread sport in Europe and people take part in international competitions



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptyKSiRyQ4Y ...

Hang on there, just a sec, BB.

We Danes take our rabbit jumping very seriously. We are not past Champions for nothing !

Admittedly, it was probably more to prove a point and kick some Swedish ar$%, but we're
still damned good at it.

You may well laugh, but what is one to do when there's 4 feet of snow outside during parts
of Winter. You can only do just so much skiing.

It's hard enough to train the dog to jump obstacles. Just you try getting a rabbit to do it.

Cheers,
Viking

P.S. There are video clips from the 2014 and 2015 Danish Rabbit Jumping Championships online
as well, if your first taste was not enough. They're very addictive !

[Banditbandit]

H They're very addictive !

I just thought they were tastey - who would have known ...

[Viking01]

I just thought they were tastey - who would have known ...

Actually, I should really have said "some" Danes take their rabbit jumping very seriously.
I too think that it looks quite humorous. But, you know, credit where credit is due.

But here in NZ, we have our own version: Sheep mustering trials.

I fully recognise the real-life application in a rural country with a large sheep population,
but was equally amused when Canadian friends were visiting us and the TV just happened
to start showing sheep mustering trials on "Country Calendar".

Well, they were absolutely fascinated by it, and the conversation ceased completely for a
half hour while they watched it.

Eyes glued to the screen. Unconsciously gesticulating slightly with their arms, while quietly
muttering to themselves ("Go, go, get round behind"; "Further to the left"; "No, don't let
that one escape" ).

Even our dog loves watching the sheep mustering.

[Brian d marge]

Actually, I should really have said "some" Danes take their rabbit jumping very seriously.
I too think that it looks quite humorous. But, you know, credit where credit is due.

But here in NZ, we have our own version: Sheep mustering trials.

I fully recognise the real-life application in a rural country with a large sheep population,
but was equally amused when Canadian friends were visiting us and the TV just happened
to start showing sheep mustering trials on "Country Calendar".

Well, they were absolutely fascinated by it, and the conversation ceased completely for a
half hour while they watched it.

Eyes glued to the screen. Unconsciously gesticulating slightly with their arms, while quietly
muttering to themselves ("Go, go, get round behind"; "Further to the left"; "No, don't let
that one escape" ).

Even our dog loves watching the sheep mustering.Actually , I did when I was younger.. and I would love to take it up as a hobby ( huntaway) if I ever , live in NZ retire etc
But
Talking to ( some) farmers is like pushing sh1t up the same hill as the sheep are heading ...this does and would put me off
( Actually , a lot of sport , people can take it too seriously...for me)


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[Akzle]

bunny nuggets!!!

[Akzle]

Actually , I did when I was younger.. and I would love to take it up as a hobby ( huntaway) if I ever , live in NZ retire etc
But
Talking to ( some) farmers is like pushing sh1t up the same hill as the sheep are heading ...this does and would put me off
( Actually , a lot of sport , people can take it too seriously...for me)


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http://junkee.com/farmer-draws-dick-using-sheep/79779

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqWhSA3BVU


personally i fucken hate sheep. they're fucken retarded and should be made into socks and/or dog food quicksmart.

[Brian d marge]

http://junkee.com/farmer-draws-dick-using-sheep/79779

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqWhSA3BVU


personally i fucken hate sheep. they're fucken retarded and should be made into socks and/or dog food quicksmart.We have MMP now , so things may improve.


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[oldrider]

Nazi / Jewish Holocaust - 1933 - 1945 (Wikipedia) This was bad and still gets endless exposure and condemnation, which is fair enough but hello! :mellow:

Israeli / Palestine oppression? (Holocaust?) - officially 1948 and still going? and virtual world silence and acceptance that Israel is the victim? :shutup: - Has the whole world simply become "conditioned"? :rolleyes:

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[Katman]

Has the whole world simply become "conditioned"?

Well at least that's a nice way to describe the stupid people.

[husaberg]

the internet is full of "conspiracy theorists"? :rolleyes:



Conspiracy theorists, Well at least that's a nice way to describe the stupid people.
Smartest thing you n̶ever said

[oldrider]

Because there is so much material evidence to theorise upon - simple really! :shifty: - "WHY" the most underutilised/ under appreciated word in any language? - Why? :blip:

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Every which way you turn.

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Thankfully we are still free to choose what we look at - or are we?

[SPman]

Actually , I did when I was younger.. and I would love to take it up as a hobby ( huntaway) if I ever , live in NZ retire etc
But
Talking to ( some) farmers is like pushing sh1t up the same hill as the sheep are heading ...this does and would put me off
( Actually , a lot of sport , people can take it too seriously...for me)


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My Huntaway was fucking useless with sheep - chooks, yes!
We have a ram that used to sneak up on the dog in the paddock and then butt him up the arse before he realised he was there. Got so he wouldn't go in the same paddock, the woos!

[Brian d marge]

My Huntaway was fucking useless with sheep - chooks, yes!
We have a ram that used to sneak up on the dog in the paddock and then butt him up the arse before he realised he was there. Got so he wouldn't go in the same paddock, the woos!Did he especially like the rooster?

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[SPman]

Did he especially like the rooster?

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Only one! - he never got stuck in again.....!