Stupid World

[Ocean1]

I learned that on a tour I did there as a perk of my job

Entitled rich prick.

[Katman]

I learned that on a tour I did there as a perk of my job as an international race team mechanic/transporter driver.;)

Wow, that's almost like you're famous.

[sidecar bob]

Wow, that's almost like you're famous.

Almost? Fuck dude, pay attention.
You could get a job working on Katana race bikes too if you had a great attitude, a broad skill base, a supportive spouse & financial independence.
But good on you for conveniently ignoring the facts I posted prior to that & only fixing on the bit where I took the piss.

[Katman]

But good on you for conveniently ignoring the facts I posted prior to that & only fixing on the bit where I took the piss.

Did you miss the bit where I said "a greater range of chronic illness"?

That would include the myriad of allergy conditions as well as all the psychological disorders that have manifested themselves over recent decades.

And when was Cancer "discovered"? Even if you only count the years since it was "discovered", there has been an enormous increase in the incidence of Cancer.

If you can't see that you should probably get your fucking eyes checked.

(And you weren't "taking the piss" - you were stroking your own cock).

[sidecar bob]

(And you weren't "taking the piss" - you were stroking your own cock).

Yeah I was, specifically out of you for sitting behind a computer stroking your cock, while I'm out stroking mine on the other side of the world over stunning race bikes that it's my job to transport & prepare. Loser.

[Grumph]

Did you miss the bit where I said "a greater range of chronic illness"?

That would include the myriad of allergy conditions as well as all the psychological disorders that have manifested themselves over recent decades.

Learn the difference between "chronic" illness and "acute"

Chronic illnesses don't kill you. They annoy the fuck out of you and affect the quality of life.
You can't claim a higher mortality rate from "chronic illnesses"
Generally speaking, a lot of what were once acute illnesses are now able to be downgraded to chronic - and managed.
that's where the significant drop in deathrates has come from.

On the other hand, you I'd describe as a chronic pain in the arse.

[Katman]

You can't claim a higher mortality rate from "chronic illnesses".

Where did I say anything about a higher mortality rate?


On the other hand, you I'd describe as a chronic pain in the arse.

That's lovely dear.

[Graystone]

Dude, it's time to forget those historical health metrics.

You need to take a look at the world around you.

So we're to look around, and forget history? You tell us we have it worse than ever before then tell us not to look at the before? You're a special sort of stupid aren't you?

[Katman]

So we're to look around, and forget history?

You can remember history all you like.

But history doesn't change the fact that today there is a far greater range of chronic illness and disease than ever before.

[Graystone]

You can remember history all you like.

But history doesn't change the fact that today there is a far greater range of chronic illness and disease than ever before.

Actually that's exactly what history changes, see, when we look back and see more chronic illness and disease than we do now, what it means, is you're full of shit. It's a thing with numbers, unfortunately they go higher than 23 so you can't use you fingers and toes to understand them I guess...

[Katman]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5775494/

[Graystone]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5775494/

That's acute disease, I believe Grumph already pointed this out.

[Katman]

That's acute disease, I believe Grumph already pointed this out.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1679775/

[husaberg]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1679775/


the ? should have been the giveaway for most people. the frank admission of the lack of data would have been the other........

[Katman]

the ? should have been the giveaway for most people. the frank admission of the lack of data would have been the other........

Do you think there hasn't been an increase in the range of allergies and the number of people affected?

[jellywrestler]

You can remember history all you like.

But history doesn't change the fact that today there is a far greater range of chronic illness and disease than ever before.

especially in carterton tonight, lucky the topdressing pilot didn't hit a hot air balloon, could have been his dealer and that wouldn't have been pretty...

[Grumph]

especially in carterton tonight, lucky the topdressing pilot didn't hit a hot air balloon, could have been his dealer and that wouldn't have been pretty...

On te News tonight a lad was interviewed and came across well for a 10 Y.O. His sister on the other hand was certain that the stuff came from a green truck passing the school....So a potential conspiracy theorist starting young....

[Graystone]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1679775/

Not chronic either... Pretty self-evident who needs to take a look around eh!

[Katman]

Not chronic either... Pretty self-evident who needs to take a look around eh!

Are you saying allergies aren't a chronic illness?

[Graystone]

Are you saying allergies aren't a chronic illness?

Certainly not food allergies, just put the fork down, fatty.

[mashman]

Talk to the guy that counted the corpses.

Why? It says "estimate" on the graph. The data instantly becomes questionable, and dumb fucks post it as fact. Chur, Dude.

[Ocean1]

Why? It says "estimate" on the graph. The data instantly becomes questionable, and dumb fucks post it as fact. Chur, Dude.

You're beyond help, you give morons a bad name, mere idiots are in awe.

[Katman]

Certainly not food allergies, just put the fork down, fatty.

Don't get me started on the rise in anxiety disorders.

[Graystone]

Don't get me started on the rise in anxiety disorders.

Why not? That one actually can be classified as chronic.

[Katman]

Why not? That one actually can be classified as chronic.

Really?

You think suffering from sweaty palms outweighs the possibility of dying from an allergic reaction?

[FJRider]

Really?

You think suffering from sweaty palms outweighs the possibility of dying from an allergic reaction?

Guess which one you can get on a sickness benefit for ... :shutup:

[FJRider]

Why not? That one actually can be classified as chronic.

A bit like the difference between stupid ... and REALLY stupid.

[jellywrestler]

On te News tonight a lad was interviewed and came across well for a 10 Y.O. His sister on the other hand was certain that the stuff came from a green truck passing the school....So a potential conspiracy theorist starting young....

carterton is a strange place, what look slike a ten year old is a 19 year old that's spent too many years in third form, remember it's not far from MethamFeatherston...

[husaberg]

Do you think there hasn't been an increase in the range of allergies and the number of people affected?
The paper you quoted as being evidence didn't so why would anyone based on the information you posted?

Don't get me started on the rise in anxiety disorders.
Started? you have been entertaining everyone with your narcissistic paranoia for years now

[FJRider]

... But history doesn't change the fact that today there is a far greater range of chronic illness and disease than ever before.

Nope ... they were always there. But nowadays ... there are far more "Recognized" illnesses and (named) syndromes ... ;)

In those times ... you gave them a kick up the arse and told them to get their shit together.

Did you do the kicking ... or did you get the kicking .. ??? :calm:

[mashman]

You're beyond help, you give morons a bad name, mere idiots are in awe.

I'm not the one calling data with the word estimate in it, fact, Dude.

[Graystone]

Really?

You think suffering from sweaty palms outweighs the possibility of dying from an allergic reaction?

Dying is acute, chronic is long term suffering. You were referring to chronic illnesses, which anxiety and other mental disorders are.

[FJRider]

Dying is acute, chronic is long term suffering. You were referring to chronic illnesses, which anxiety and other mental disorders are.

Dying is treatable. Death is final. The former does not always lead to the latter ... so do not always assume it will. EVER.

[carbonhed]

carterton is a strange place, what look slike a ten year old is a 19 year old that's spent too many years in third form, remember it's not far from MethamFeatherston...

Ron Mark's claiming it's pesticides from an aeroplane... which is probably conclusive proof it's not. Go the COL.

[Katman]

Dying is acute, chronic is long term suffering. You were referring to chronic illnesses, which anxiety and other mental disorders are.

So what is a severe allergy?

Acute or chronic?

[husaberg]

So what is a severe allergy?

Acute or chronic?
You have a severe lack cognitive abilities that result in your intelligence levels residing somewhere below that of a cold plate of mashed potatoes
Judging by what you post you display an acute lack of reasoning skills and you attempt to mask this by being chronically allergic to answering questions.

[Graystone]

So what is a severe allergy?

Acute or chronic?

Slow learner I see, acute results in death, chronic in long term suffering.

[Viking01]

A pity the world's leaders (?) seems to be more focused on these types of feedback:

https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/09/conservative-rationality-war-and-refugees-and-trumps-spending-priorities/

and less focused on this type of feedback:

https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/09/is-paris-2015-already-underwater/#more-84642

Because when the latter really starts to properly gather speed, we will have wasted
any goodwill and the ability to work co-operatively towards solutions . And be reduced
to fighting just for our own preservation.

[mashman]

A pity the world's leaders (?) seems to be more focused on these types of feedback:

https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/09/conservative-rationality-war-and-refugees-and-trumps-spending-priorities/

and less focused on this type of feedback:

https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/09/is-paris-2015-already-underwater/#more-84642

Because when the latter really starts to properly gather speed, we will have wasted
any goodwill and the ability to work co-operatively towards solutions . And be reduced
to fighting just for our own preservation.

Wait til the 450+ active nuclear reactors are no longer contained or maintained by human beings because we ignored the evidence ha ha ha ha haaaa...

1.7 sustainable planets (Earth Overshoot). 7.6 billion people. 20% consuming 80% of that which is produced. Well, that's too many planets for a start, and 20% of the population using 1.36 of it that, whilst the other 80% use 0.34. But no. Much better to continue with BAU and ignore the evidence and what it points to. The trigger is already pulled. Helen Clark stated we have a 5% chance of mitigating climate change where we continue as we are in a recent interview. The IPCC dude that visited said that governments aren't willing to do what's necessary. And who can blame them when in order to keep the land, water and air clean, we need to stop production of at least 50% of the worlds production. and that doesn't sell well, even if the outcome is turning Earth into Mars within the next generation or two. That's the evidence for ya :wari:

[mashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0kUlBvPhg

[Viking01]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-un-trump/from-reality-tv-to-u-n-trump-to-wield-security-council-gavel-idUSKCN1M30EF?il=0

Oh dear ! Reality TV has gone big time. It was bad enough having the apprentice
Haley ranting at the UN General Assembly, but now we will have the Apprentice's
master making an appearance (and chairing a meeting) at the Security Council.

While the agenda mentions no countries by name, Donald has tweeted that he
intends to focus on the current US problem child, Iran.

Donald is apparently to read from a binder to control meeting flow. It will be
interesting to see how long he lasts before going off script. Or starts tweeting
during the meeting what liars they are.

I hope that he doesn't tell either of the Russian or Chinese members they're fired !

[avgas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0kUlBvPhg
I found a better one......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

[mashman]

I found a better one......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... yeah she be a beaut alright. A magical tool to combat systemic white privilege.

[Viking01]

More verbal diarrhoea from Agent Orange

https://sputniknews.com/us/201809251068319264-donald-trump-un-general-assembly/

[oldrider]

More verbal diarrhoea from Agent Orange

https://sputniknews.com/us/201809251068319264-donald-trump-un-general-assembly/

How does Trump's UN speech line up with these activities? - https://www.globalresearch.ca/marines-team-up-with-islamists-in-syria/5654138?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

[Voltaire]

Globalresearch is an "anti-Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.

While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist — if something goes wrong, the Jews West didit! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the "mainstream" media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love.

:msn-wink::msn-wink:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

[Katman]

:msn-wink::msn-wink:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

Seriously?

Rationalwiki?

:killingme

[oldrider]

:msn-wink::msn-wink:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

It is not the writer that decides whether the reader agrees believes or is otherwise influenced - that still is the reserve of the reader - even in today's twisted world! :msn-wink::msn-wink:

[Voltaire]

Seriously?

Rationalwiki?

:killingme

Seriously Kiwibiker :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Viking01]

Well, Don has now finished his double act at the UN. I learnt a
few more interesting facts from his General Assembly speech:

https://www.rt.com/news/439417-trump-un-speech-patriotism-globalism/

He even managed a few laughs. Important to keep the audience happy.

https://www.rt.com/usa/439558-haley-trump-un-laughing/

Admittedly, this was reported by the Russian RT news channel, so we
have to take what they say with a grain of salt.


And Don lasted two hours at the UN Security Council meeting yesterday
before he had to go and make a tweet (and for the second part of the
"double act" to step in and take over):

https://www.rt.com/usa/439546-trump-leaves-unsc-missing/


Though it wasn't all mutual love and respect. Apparently, some-one
hadn't been doing as they had been told outside of class earlier:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/eu-iran-agree-payment-system-skirt-sanctions-180925050920569.html

and it was necessary for Haley to go on FOX and give them "a damn
good tongue lashing":

https://sputniknews.com/world/201809261068360285-nikki-haley-lashes-out-mogherini-iran/

and if that wasn't enough, "Team USA" then got together to reinforce
the message:

https://www.rt.com/news/439407-bolton-warns-iran-rouhani-unga/

I hope that everyone has been taking notes.

[avgas]

ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... yeah she be a beaut alright. A magical tool to combat systemic white privilege.

But it sounds so much better when they say "Affirmative".

Its like that other one "Cultural Revolution" - doesn't that sound lovely.

[avgas]

How does Trump's UN speech line up with these activities? - https://www.globalresearch.ca/marines-team-up-with-islamists-in-syria/5654138?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

He's fine with it. I mean the Mujaheddin thing went down well last time didn't it?

[Viking01]

https://sputniknews.com/us/201809301068461622-zinke-russia-naval-blockade/

[Viking01]

I'd barely finished reading about the latest burst of insightful strategic US
thought on how to handle Russians (a naval blockade), before the former
US ambassador to Russia (McFaul) chimed in to give his thoughts on the
benefit of applying more US sanctions:

https://sputniknews.com/us/201809301068471434-sanctions-happy-michael-mcfaul-back-again/

So, even if they didn't work the first time, or the second time, or even the
seventeenth time, well, just keep on applying them until they do.

Which rather reminded me of the "Dead Horse" image in the following link
(zoom in to read options):

http://lean-master.com/1/post/2014/07/if-its-dead-just-hit-it-harder.html

[oldrider]

Could this (long term) actually be part of a clandestine plot to eventually destroy the United States credibility in the eyes of the world so that total collapse is a natural expectation? :shifty:

[avgas]

Could this (long term) actually be part of a clandestine plot to eventually destroy the United States credibility in the eyes of the world so that total collapse is a natural expectation? :shifty:
It's funny because I didn't realise this - but when you play monopoly......the bank just "appears" out of no where too.
The accuracy of that game is insane. Except the free parking space - that's fucking bullshit there isn't a pool of money everyone pays into, gets nothing and then you magically fucking get it.
Even the lotteries commission isn't that efficient.

[Voltaire]

It's funny because I didn't realise this - but when you play monopoly......the bank just "appears" out of no where too.
The accuracy of that game is insane. Except the free parking space - that's fucking bullshit there isn't a pool of money everyone pays into, gets nothing and then you magically fucking get it.
Even the lotteries commission isn't that efficient.

Wheres the version of Monopoly where you get given a house money, free parking, utilities and pile of get out jail free cards.:whistle:

[oldrider]

A PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM AUTHOR MICHAEL HOFFMAN https://www.revisionisthistory.org/page8/page8.html - history repeating it's self disguised as (mock) justice? :corn:

[Viking01]

https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/438426-climate-change-rae-kwon-chung/

A pity our world scientists are more focused on finding solutions
for an existential change, while most of the world politicians are
simply focused on the next elections and the interests of their
sponsors.

[Viking01]

I'd barely finished reading about the latest burst of insightful strategic US
thought on how to handle Russians (a naval blockade), before the former
US ambassador to Russia (McFaul) chimed in to give his thoughts on the
benefit of applying more US sanctions

And now we have the US Ambassador to NATO contributing her tuppence
worth.

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/october/02/note-to-nato-you-dont-take-out-missiles-without-having-a-war/

Are there any adults in the house ?

[Viking01]

If you're not a CC believer, then there is no need to read any further.

I admit to being interested in climate change (CC), initially simply trying to
gain an understanding of what people were talking about. Probably started
around the time the NZ Emissions Trading System (ETS) was first being
developed.

To help my own understanding, I compiled a spreadsheet of CC factors and
possible physical manifestations. I also mocked up a few graphical models to
try and show possible relationships between factors.

It seemed when I started looking for information (and over the intervening
time period) there was very little analysis and discussion of CC going on
in our own regional area (NZ and Australia). Even the IPCC reports make
that point.

This seemed surprising. Especially given that NZ is a very exposed group of
islands out in the Pacific, with large population centres close to the sea,
and NZ very much dependent upon agriculture for its livelihood.

Even more so, that if you don't at least perform some data measurement and
data analysis, you lack data possibly needed for meaningful discussion later.
And for decision making on future mitigating action.

It is personally heartening (?) to see a new report having just been published
by NZCCRI and NIWA, where they have started to estimate possible economic
costs of CC to NZ.

https://treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2018-08/LSF-estimating-financial-cost-of-climate-change-in-nz.pdf

The first 8-9 pages of the report are a bit dry, talking about data sources,
analysis methodology and some of the limitations. Results start page 9.

Pages 9-10 - Economic Impact. While the numbers published are interesting,
it was the conclusion that the numbers very much understate true economic
impact upon NZ.

Pages 11-12 - Other Weather Events. That further study on currently excluded
weather event types could vastly improve our understanding and assessment
of risk to NZ due to CC.

Pages 13-15 - Wider Climate Impacts. This section was for me the most useful.
Because:

(i) it presented diagrams that highlighted relationships between various factors
(impacts), in a way that people can easily understand and relate to ;

(ii) it listed CC manifestations likely to become more common (and observable).

[avgas]

Wheres the version of Monopoly where you get given a house money, free parking, utilities and pile of get out jail free cards.:whistle:

The Chinese Cultural Revolution version.
Roll a dice:
1: You die
2: You die
3: You get a house
4: You have parking but no car
5: You get utilities
6: You go to jail

You then live in existence with what you got first roll.

[carbonhed]

Japanese drummer's acid trip hits hard part way through tune.


https://youtu.be/lPkz_ippXfw

[Viking01]

Switzerland is a country that typically "flys below the radar" much of the time.
You normally only hear its name mentioned when some climbers have fallen off
a mountain.

So an article such as the following is of interest:

https://www.rt.com/business/440288-switzerland-swift-analogue-launch/

I watch with interest whether this action gets "called out", and by whom.

[oldrider]

The Skripals Are an MI6 Hoax - 'Not Worthy of Ladies' Detective Novels' - Israeli Expert Demolishes UK Case https://russia-insider.com/en/skripals-are-mi6-hoax-not-worthy-ladies-detective-novels-israeli-expert-demolishes-uk-case/ri24912?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=e742d86b0f&mc_eid=4030a10227 - :o:doh:

[avgas]

Switzerland is a country that typically "flys below the radar" much of the time.
You normally only hear its name mentioned when some climbers have fallen off
a mountain.

So an article such as the following is of interest:

https://www.rt.com/business/440288-switzerland-swift-analogue-launch/

I watch with interest whether this action gets "called out", and by whom.
I bet its a blockchain........a chocolatey blockchain.

Also it won't be called out. SWFT failures have been pretty obvious in the last decade. Hell its 90% of North Korea's income right now I think.

[Viking01]

And they'd be able to extract the heat and generate cheap energy
at the same time

https://sputniknews.com/science/201810071068679186-yellowstone-volcano-cooling-plan/

[oldrider]

Unbelievable. :rolleyes:

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[husaberg]

Unbelievable. :rolleyes:


Unbelievable accounts for 99.9% of what you link.

[oldrider]

Unbelievable accounts for 99.9% of what you link.

I see we are still friends. :niceone:

[husaberg]

I see we are still friends. :niceone:
It was a comment on the content of your links in case you missed it.
Although 99.9% also accounts for what you post strangely being related to Jews.
You seem a bit obsessed by them are you trying to find someone to blame your missing foreskin on or something?

[Viking01]

Look - it was all just a big misunderstanding. It's time to move on.

https://www.rt.com/news/440616-stoltenberg-serbia-nato-bombing/

The last thing you want is to have anything to do with those nasty
Russians. Trust me.

[oldrider]

It was a comment on the content of your links in case you missed it.
Although 99.9% also accounts for what you post strangely being related to Jews.
You seem a bit obsessed by them are you trying to find someone to blame your missing foreskin on or something?

For quite a while there I suspected that you might have been my severed foreskin and hopes of reunification soared beyond belief - alas just another dream above your station! :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

For quite a while there I suspected that you might have been my severed foreskin and hopes of reunification soared beyond belief - alas just another dream above your station! :rolleyes:
I think that's just a result of your senility.
like your rational thought process your foreskins long gone.
So why is 99.9% of what you post related to jews............
Jews would be lucky to be 0.1% of the worlds population but they make up are nearly 100% of your posts.
Plus nearly all (l90%) those jews you so dislike only live in two countries anyway.

[oldrider]

I think that's just a result of your senility.
like your rational thought process your foreskins long gone.
So why is 99.9% of what you post related to jews............
Jews would be lucky to be 0.1% of the worlds population but they make up are nearly 100% of your posts.
Plus nearly all (l90%) those jews you so dislike only live in two countries anyway.

There you go again - your words not mine!

This guy (whatever?) is asking all the same questions that I myself ponder - very valid questions IMHO?

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[husaberg]

There you go again - your words not mine!

This guy (whatever?) is asking all the same questions that I myself ponder - very valid questions IMHO?


My words but thats whats in your links remember you have also posted Mein Kemph for added effect, its not love or even neutrality your are projecting here.
So why all the anti Jewish posts and links. 0.1% of the worlds population but 99.9% of your posts.
FFS you posted David Ike he believes the world is run by shapeshifting lizards
Do you beleve in shapeshifting lizards or just post stuff soley just as it attacks jews

[oldrider]

My words but thats whats in your links remember you have also posted Mein Kemph for added effect, its not love or even neutrality your are projecting here.
So why all the anti Jewish posts and links. 0.1% of the worlds population but 99.9% of your posts.

That actually is a good question - 2% (give or take) of the world population and yet they are involved in 98% (give or take) of world politics, banking, theatre and education etc.

Even more astounding is the fact that the 2% is quite disjointed and indifferent to any specific one of those groups - truly amazing group of people with amazing history. (5,000 yr?)

Even more amazing is the brainwashing that prevents them being discussed in any form without screams of anti-Semitism and racist bigotry - such as you do! - Begs the question - Why?

[husaberg]

That actually is a good question - 2% (give or take) of the world population and yet they are involved in 98% (give or take) of world politics, banking, theatre and education etc.

Even more astounding is the fact that the 2% is quite disjointed and indifferent to any specific one of those groups - truly amazing group of people with amazing history. (5,000 yr?)

Even more amazing is the brainwashing that prevents them being discussed in any form without screams of anti-Semitism and racist bigotry - such as you do! - Begs the question - Why?


when all you post is derogatory unfounded half assed crap about one group of people based solely on their religion that is antisemitism.
Just as if you changed the group you posted about to Asians or black it would be racist.
The only one brainwashed here is you, It seems you read mein kamph a little bit too much.
You are just looking for a boogie man to blame as to why you are unsuccessful in life.
you are more than able to discuss individuals if you wish with no fear or being called anything, The only thing is you don't ever discuss individuals,
you wish to attack a whole race of people with your half baked regurgitated nazi propaganda.
Why is it that the Nazis you admire so much killed off so many Jews olldie.
Were all those polish children and old people and peasants such a real threat based solely on their religious beliefs.
Why did the holocaust happen oldie

[oldrider]

when all you post is derogatory unfounded half assed crap about one group of people based solely on their religion that is antisemitism.
Just as if you changed the group you posted about to Asians or black it would be racist.
The only one brainwashed here is you, It seems you read mein kamph a little bit too much.
You are just looking for a boogie man to blame as to why you are unsuccessful in life.
you are more than able to discuss individuals if you wish with no fear or being called anything, The only thing is you don't ever discuss individuals,
you wish to attack a whole race of people with your half baked regurgitated nazi propaganda.
Why is it that the Nazis you admire so much killed off so many Jews olldie.
Were all those polish children and old people and peasants such a real threat based solely on their religious beliefs.
Why did the holocaust happen oldie

Michael Jackson sang the answer to your post - "The man in the mirror" - you should listen to it sometime.

[Viking01]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/107695272/americans-win-economics-nobel-prize-for-work-on-climate-and-growth

[carbonhed]

Portland antifa being cunts. Damn I'd have found the temptation to mow those assholes down and then reverse over their bodies repeatedly irresistible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq-dcJrnGTM

ETA. Comment on twatter "Anarchists directing traffic without a hint of irony" :rofl:

aaaand another "Intersectionalists" :rofl:

[mashman]

But it sounds so much better when they say "Affirmative".

Its like that other one "Cultural Revolution" - doesn't that sound lovely.

Ok. I always found Affirmative to be a bit too robot like. Kind of like you would expect to hear from a blind scared old white muthafucka for instance. They shoulda stuck with "positive discrimination". Makes it sound like discrimination is actually ok and therefore much more easy on the brain.

NOW I do like that second one. I sounds exquisite.

[husaberg]

Michael Jackson sang the answer to your post - "The man in the mirror" - you should listen to it sometime.
Hardly an answer ,its only a question.
Do you have issues with questions about why you post stuff?

[Katman]

Portland antifa being cunts. Damn I'd have found the temptation to mow those assholes down and then reverse over their bodies repeatedly irresistible.

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The camera woman looked like she gave as good as she got too.

[Viking01]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/oct/09/nikki-haley-donald-trump-praise-each-other-after-her-resignation-video

[oldrider]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/oct/09/nikki-haley-donald-trump-praise-each-other-after-her-resignation-video

Quite obviously the word "respect" has a completely new meaning now! - America speak? :rolleyes:

[Viking01]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/oct/01/new-study-finds-incredibly-high-carbon-pollution-costs-especially-for-the-us-and-india

The last paragraph makes you wonder just how long before the message
gets through. And start to trigger a change in behaviour. How many more
hurricanes and tropical storms, and how much more economic damage is
needed ?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/oct/11/victims-of-hurricane-michael-voted-for-climate-deniers

Or is the US government so strongly within the grip of financial donors
and lobby groups (be they military or political), and the general population
and their vote have been rendered powerless ?

[oldrider]

Apparently the whole world is in debt - stifling debt - Begs the question - To whom is this debt owed and who actually benefits? :buggerd:

[carbonhed]

Tim Pool on US political demographics and why "Get woke go broke" works. Turns out pandering to progressives alienates about 90% of the population.


https://youtu.be/mm1TrY-t0ng

[Katman]

Israel gets its panties bunched.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/107787714/israeli-court-nz-activists-must-pay-for-lorde-cancellation?cid=app-android

[Viking01]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/12/donald-trump-anxiety-disorder-pscyhologists-221305

[Viking01]

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/10/john-mearsheimer-stephen-cohen-take-delusional-neocon-neoliberal-establishment-vital-debate.html

As the link says, "Intelligence Squared" recently hosted a debate on three topics :
The first was on the role of NATO (“NATO is no longer fit for purpose”), the second
was about Russia (“The Russian threat is overblown”), and the third was on Iran
(“It's time to take a hard line on Iran”).

A summary of the debate is contained within the article.

The video of the debate can be viewed by clicking on the "Intelligence Squared" link
in the first line of the article. the video is just over 1.5 hours long.

Taking the anti neo-liberal side are John Mearsheimer and Stephen Cohen.
Mearsheimer is the co-author of the 2006 book "The Israel Lobby and US
Foreign Policy", while Stephen Cohen is a professor in Russian Studies at
Princeton university.

[oldrider]

Is Cultural Marxism America's New Mainline Ideology?:- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-11/cultural-marxism-americas-new-mainline-ideology :scratch:

[Viking01]

Perhaps a small bottle of perfume (Novichuk perhaps - best military grade ?) :msn-wink:

https://sputniknews.com/us/201810141068866588-russia-usa-nebenzia-haley-present/

[Voltaire]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpZSJ1AXcAY4zQG.jpg:large

[avgas]

FFS you posted David Ike he believes the world is run by shapeshifting lizards
Do you beleve in shapeshifting lizards or just post stuff soley just as it attacks jews
Shapeshifting lizards. Stupid man. They are called Chameleons.
I don't know what a Jew is, but it sounds aquatic and slimy. Or am I thinking of Eels?
Which ones do NAZI's / AntiFa like in their sushi?

[avgas]

Perhaps a small bottle of perfume (Novichuk perhaps - best military grade ?) :msn-wink:

https://sputniknews.com/us/201810141068866588-russia-usa-nebenzia-haley-present/

How about some grapes?
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[Viking01]

How about some grapes?


That's always a possibility, but perfume is much more personal.

My wife has some particularly good perfume. We've been married
36 years, and she has always said "one dab of this behind each
ear, and it'll knock you flat. As good as dead". And that's her
ears, not mine, by the way. Just for clarity sake.

Actually, now that I re-read the above, that's an unfortunate
choice of words. This English language is so difficult.

So you may be right. Stick to grapes.

Mind you, I'd try and avoid any late harvest grapes. Just the
mere hint of botrytis, and it'll just probably just start another
Screwball, er Skripal, saga.

Cheers,
Viking

[Viking01]

Must have missed reading about these new powers earlier:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-15/these-international-borders-have-become-no-rights-zones

And if they are documented within the Customs website,
I for one struggled to find them spelt out visibly and clearly:

https://www.customs.govt.nz/about-us/customs-and-excise-act-2018/

[Viking01]

Even though the US "home team" have bailed out of the UNHRC, it's good
to see some stalwarts like John Brennan and Lindsay Graham standing up
and being counted re human rights.

https://russia-insider.com/en/trump-will-use-journalist-murder-force-saudis-drop-their-s-400-purchase-load-us-weapons/ri25103

[Viking01]

Two articles showing some of the current political linkages
and motivations in the region:

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/10/19/americas-deafening-response-to-an-assassination-attempt-on-top-us-commander-in-afghanistan/

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/07/20/is-iran-making-the-same-mistakes-in-the-arab-world-that-pakistan-once-made-in-afghanistan/

[oldrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=HlazbDrkYGA

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[Viking01]

Seriously ? Is that really the best explanation they could come up with ?

https://www.rt.com/news/441783-saudi-arabia-khashoggi-died-fight/

So, where is the body ? Dumped at sea with bin Laden's ?

[oldrider]

End of a once great progressive European nation? :- https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/42-of-children-under-6-in-west-germany-come-from-migrant-background-study-reveals/#.W8zm5CFBG8o.gmail :bye:

[Viking01]

In some ways, I'm glad that I'm not a learner rider learning to ride a motorcycle again.

Have just gotten back for a wee toddle over to and around the Wairarapa. A perfect
day to be out riding, and plenty of other riders out.

But I have to say there are some ar$ehole drivers about, when it comes to showing
some consideration for learner riders.

Leaving Greytown (heading to Featherston), I happened to catch up with two riders,
one on a new machine (clearly signed as a learner rider, and following an experienced
rider). I followed them for some distance, and while the learner rider was riding fairly
well and keeping up a steady pace, some of the car drivers catching up to her ended
up driving right up her exhaust pipe before passing.

And one clearly gave her a bit of a scare as he overtook just at the Featherston end
of the passing lane south of Tauheranikau, and made the return back in front of her
fairly close.

"B#gger this", I thought, "it's tough enough to learn to ride, without having to worry
about such idiots". So I pulled in and rode behind her, positioned far enough out that
drivers should have been able to see she was present and a learner, that "we were
riding in a group", and that I was riding TEC. That way, they concentrated more on
me, and less on her.

And she did well, going up and over the Rimutakas and down SH2 as far as Melling
Bridge (where they both turned off).

Even then, there were still two car drivers on River Road and Western Hutt Road
(two lane going south) that decided quite late they wanted to turn off - and they
clearly thought about interposing them-self between the two of us in the left lane
(but who ended up just slowing right down and tucking in behind me, where there
was still plenty of space). Damned if I know what was going on in their heads.

[oldrider]

Sweden's Feminizing Boys with Genderless Schools. :doh:

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[oldrider]

October 23, 2018 ©

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[Viking01]

And fighting with the Bear ever since.

https://russia-insider.com/en/us-army-invaded-russia-exactly-100-years-ago-russians-remember/ri24498

I am always thankful for having studied History for a few years at high school.
For even though it was limited in scope, it still opened up my view to what was
happening in the wider world and stimulated a life long interest.

I wonder how much "history" is being taught at schools these days, and what
will constitute a historical record in 10-20 years time.

[Viking01]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/442280-khashoggi-russia-iraq-assange/

[oldrider]

Appropriate?:- https://twitter.com/downunderabc123/status/1056333274400935936/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :yes:

[oldrider]

Wasn’t she supposed to serve the USA? Twitter unamused as IDF ‘salutes’ Haley for her support for Israel https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/10/10/russia-wasnt-she-supposed-to-serve-us-twitter-unamused-as-idf-salutes-haley-for-her-support-for-israel/ - Follow the money?

[oldrider]

Kavanagh converts to Judaism to save Supreme Court nomination - (only in Jewmerica) - https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/30/kavanagh-converts-to-judaism-to-save-supreme-court-nomination/ :rolleyes:

[Viking01]

First we had the "Axis of Evil", and now we have the "Troika of Tyranny".
Even has an evil socialist ring to it.

https://www.apnews.com/26d89514878441f58273c8d91a5deff2

Strangely, in Cuba's case, the majority of the UN members appear to feel
differently about sanctions. Perhaps 60 years is enough.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cuba-un/u-n-calls-again-for-end-of-u-s-embargo-on-cuba-idUSKBN1D15EM

[carbonhed]

Four of Kavanaugh's accusers recant allegations... ;)


https://youtu.be/thD-NxQCKsQ

[Viking01]

http://cepr.net/blogs/cepr-blog/jobs-pensions-lost-in-sears-bankruptcy-but-hedge-fund-king-gets-paid

[Viking01]

Can't have the vassals thinking independently and getting together
without permission.

Next thing you know, they'll start doing things without permission.

http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO5Nov2018.php

[oldrider]

Napoleon Bonaparte Monetary Reformer https://vimeo.com/299168221 :corn:

[Viking01]

http://www.atimes.com/article/trump-all-but-announces-trade-deal-with-china/

But why can't I find any mention of it on any of the various news websites
in the UK, Germany, France, China, Japan, India, Iran or the Middle East ?
Even Russia.

Ah, time differences. It just missed the news cut. OK, I'll look again tomorrow.

[Viking01]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/08/the-dystopian-future-of-facebook/

[Viking01]

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811091069666748-putin-billboards-london/

https://southfront.org/chinese-state-media-reveals-its-artificial-intelligence-anchor-video/

[Voltaire]

https://southfront.org/chinese-state-media-reveals-its-artificial-intelligence-anchor-video/[/url]

Xi Jinping Can go on indefinitely then.

[Viking01]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/warship-norway-fjord-oil-tanker-bergen-hjeltefjord-oil-production-a8626751.html

I was about to suggest that in response for Norway having hosted
the 2018 Trident Juncture exercise, maybe the Russians had been
testing out their EW equipment on the Norwegian frigate (having
spoofed the oil tankers position), or quietly towed their temporarily
submerged less-than-dry dock from Murmansk in the dead of night.

But someone has already beaten me to the punch in the Comments
section. Hate it when that happens.

[Viking01]

Don is feeling "very insulted" that his good friend Emmanuel Macron could
even suggest replacing some (or all) of NATO by European forces (possibly
even deploying European made armaments):

https://russia-insider.com/en/very-insulting-trump-bashes-macrons-idea-european-army-protection-russia-china-us/ri25335

The French seem to be the most likely to want to strike an independent
course (remember de Gaulle withdrew France from NATO in 1966, and they
did not return until 43 years later in 2009 under Sarkozy) :

https://www.clingendael.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/PB_European_Strategic_Autonomy.pdf

Given that:

-the USSR agreed to the consolidation of E and W Germany in 1989 (subject
to NATO agreement not to expand eastward)
-the USSR then collapsed in 1991 (with its military in very poor shape)

the justification of NATO (in response to a Russian threat) almost
evaporated overnight back in 1991.

However, NATO was then quickly "re-purposed" (its new mission became
then to "respond to threats from dangerous third party states").

It has since:

-expanded across much of eastern Europe (violating verbal assurances)
-been involved in several military adventures outside Western Europe
(Yugoslavia; Libya)


So, my questions:

1. Given the current state of political affairs (not to forget trade wars),
should Europe consider a shift to a European controlled / funded / manned /
operated NATO in the future ?

2. Should it limit its scope to protection of Europe alone ? And engage
outside Europe only under the auspices of the UN ?

3. What would be the main benenfits of Europe doing so (or not) ?

Your thoughts welcomed.

Feel free to use any of the following points in reply.

================================================== ======
1. NATO Expansion

-Further expansion of NATO across eastern Europe ? Desirable ?
-Deployment right up to Russian Borders ? [ e.g. Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia ]

2. NATO Involvement oustide Europe

-Involvement of European NATO forces in wars outside of the European mainland ?

3. Threat Assessment

-Europeans make own Assessment of Russian Military Threat (vs a US Assessment) ?
-How Easy to Obtain Concensus (given polarity of opinions) ?

4. Talking with the Enemy

-Restoration of European vs Russia Military Engagement and Co-Operation ?
-Less Political Posturing and Threat Making ?
-Support Future Reduction (removal) of Economic Sanctions against Russia
(and Reinstatement of Trading ?)

5. European Defence Policy

- A Common European Defence Policy Defined by Europe (vs one Dictated by
the US) ?

6. European Defence Budget

-A European Specified Budget (vs a US Dictated Spend) ?

7. European Spend on Military Equipment

-Europe NATO Not Necessarily Spend on Purchase of US Military Hardware ?
-Able to Spend on Design, Development and Deployment of own Euro military
hardware ?

8. European Forces Deployment and Training

-Risk reduction ? e.g. Not Conducting Exercises close to Russian borders ?
-Continued Co-Operation and Training with US Forces ?

9. Operational Readiness

-Greater Certainty that Defence Forces would be Available and Ready to Address
a Threat (vs Reliance upon the US) ?

10. Operational Control

-Own Operational Control over European Military and Hardware (vs US Control) ?

11. Decision to Initiate Live Military Action

-Triggering of European Defence Hardware (Missiles) or Movement of Forces to be
under European Control (vs US Control) ?

12. Eaves-Dropping

-Reduced Chance of Spying or Eaves-dropping on European Military ?

13. Removal of US Military Infrastructure used for Military Operation outside
Europe ?

e.g. US usage of German Ramstein base for drones in AFRICOM operations ?

14. Economic Loss for Local European Support Services (following withdrawal
of existing US Forces from certain European countries) ?

15. Future Threats

-Increased Migrant (or Terrorist) Flows into Europe ?
-Cyber War ?
-Space ?

[oldrider]

ARE WE REALLY HEADING FOR ANOTHER TRAGEDY LIKE WORLD WAR I? https://ericmargolis.com/2018/11/we-are-heading-for-another-tragedy-like-world-war-i/ Same script almost the same orchestrator's - can't fail? :shutup:

[Viking01]

So, in these times of increasing US sanctions against Russia, remind
me again why Russia should continue to assist the US ?

First, it was to provide RD180 engines to the US to launch their
rockets. I won't mention John McCain.

And now, it is possibly the supply of fire fighting aircraft to help
them fight their forest fires. I won't mention climate change.

https://russia-insider.com/en/us-fight-wildfires-russian-firefighting-aircraft/ri25344

The less charitable among us might be inclined to say "let 'em burn".

[mashman]

Good read... Ahhh, the smooth path to Zero Marginal Cost :killingme

“But if the recycling industry is good, why do America, Europe, Korea and Japan have to export to other countries? Can you answer me that?” (https://www.ft.com/content/360e2524-d71a-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8?fbclid=IwAR0D2TjuIB2gwvpTYB_gX8nRaBVj qwr0YbYw2WxtdOe17HvIKBTn1Ic7WEI)

[Viking01]

Good read... Ahhh, the smooth path to Zero Marginal Cost :killingme

“But if the recycling industry is good, why do America, Europe, Korea and Japan have to export to other countries? Can you answer me that?” (https://www.ft.com/content/360e2524-d71a-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8?fbclid=IwAR0D2TjuIB2gwvpTYB_gX8nRaBVj qwr0YbYw2WxtdOe17HvIKBTn1Ic7WEI)

Sadly, if you haven't "invested" in an FT subscription, the article doesn't display.

[pritch]

Sadly, if you haven't "invested" in an FT subscription, the article doesn't display.

A while I registered with the FT just to read their blogs - and that's free, but it did let me read that item.

[mashman]

Sadly, if you haven't "invested" in an FT subscription, the article doesn't display.

Bummer. It let me in no problem... but no longer I see. Will keep an eye open for it should it become free.

[Ocean1]

Bummer. It let me in no problem... but no longer I see. Will keep an eye open for it should it become free.

.... as your doctrine requires. :laugh:

[mashman]

.... as your doctrine requires. :laugh:

Or coz it makes sense... coz the alternative sees pay walls installed to keep people from useful information. Better shopping Ocean.

[Viking01]

It seems that my Scandinavian cousins had a good party recently, and by the
comments from a number of western sources, Trident Juncture 2018 in Finland
was "great success" (or was it Sacha Baron Cohen who said that?).

Anyway, it sounds like the Russians (even though uninvited) may have managed
to help the allies make the exercise a little more realistic.

https://russia-insider.com/en/finnish-pm-accuses-russia-making-natos-giant-trident-juncture-military-drill-more-realistic/ri25354

It's as well allied aircraft didn't stray into Russian airspace as a result. Just
imagine the drama that would have caused. And the newspaper headlines in
the NY Times:

"Russian Radar lures Allied Aircraft into Russian Air Space to use for
Missile Target Practice".

Though I think there may still be a small navigation problem present, with
all the Scandinavian countries currently pulling to the right, instead of
traditionally staying down the centre.

That Norwegian frigate must surely be a case in point. At first, I thought
they may have overdone "stealth mode" (build the vessel with a low profile
designed to evade detection by radar), but I think from the latest photos
we can safely say it was a simple navigation error.

https://russia-insider.com/en/nato-drills-fallout-norwegian-frigate-pretty-much-toast/ri25361

I did hear (from anonymous sources) that with all the shipping traffic
envisaged in the Arctic Circle in the future, the Allies were considering
taking "stealth" to the next level and deploying military vessels looking
exactly like oil tankers.

Not only have they proven themselves to be more robust (case in point
above), but it will become increasingly harder to tell which vessels are
military and which are not.

The Russians will never see that one coming (until it's too late, of course).

[mashman]

Sadly, if you haven't "invested" in an FT subscription, the article doesn't display.

Search for "FT Why the worlds recycling system stopped working" and it should be first off the rank.

[Viking01]

Search for "FT Why the worlds recycling system stopped working" and it should be first off the rank.

Thanks. Found and read the article. Very good.

Just realised that if you Google the search string, you can find and read the article. But
if you save the link after reading it (with intention of reading it again), then subsequently
click on the saved link, then FT instead directs you to their subscription page.

[mashman]

Take money out of the equation and there's plenty of houses.

"If you look at the town I live in - Clyde, a third of the houses in Clyde are unoccupied almost all of the time because they are holiday homes. And look people have worked hard and they've gained those.

"But when you've got businesses that can't get workers because they've got nowhere to live and you've got young people who have got nowhere to live and are leaving the area. And a third of your houses are empty, you've got to ask yourself if the system is bust or not." (https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/375960/housing-crisis-in-central-otago-and-queenstown-lakes-forces-young-families-out-of-region)

[oldrider]

Take your pick. :rolleyes:

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[mashman]

Why does a Wellington councillor want to charge homeless people to live in their cars? (https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/20-11-2018/why-does-a-wellington-city-councillor-want-to-charge-people-to-live-in-cars/)... coz she believes that someone is getting a free lunch, and that there should be no such thing. A cunt.

[oldrider]

Will America/Mexico now become an extension of the Palestine situation? - Old magicians trick - look there while we do something else here? :corn:

By deception do war? - or whatever else needs distraction away from it! - https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-21/white-house-authorizes-lethal-force-border - Whatever could go wrong with that? :wait:

[Banditbandit]

Take your pick. :rolleyes:

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Global Warming is a bit of a misnomer .. It's Climate Change

Warmer air means more water evaporation - so more clouds in the sky . these will in some places, block the sun and be cooler underneath - and more rain .. more rain - more floods - we can see that happening.

It means more energy in the atmosphere - so higher wind speeds .. that's why the hurricanes crossing the Atlantic and slamming into the US are getting stronger ..

That's why we are seeing more tornadoes on Godzone .. more energy and changes creating the conditions where they develop.

To think that the planet is simply getting warmer is to misunderstand Climate Change and what will really happen.

[sidecar bob]

How far up his own arse was this dudes head?
Got his come uppance.
How's a community to survive without an imaginary friend?

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/slain-us-missionarys-crazy-plan-to-convert-worlds-most-reclusive-tribe/news-story/7b757c2dd05a93cbf38970fe39b76af9

[husaberg]

How far up his own arse was this dudes head?
Got his come uppance.
How's a community to survive without an imaginary friend?

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/slain-us-missionarys-crazy-plan-to-convert-worlds-most-reclusive-tribe/news-story/7b757c2dd05a93cbf38970fe39b76af9
Those tribes on that island are well known for not wanting contact with the western world. AfAIK one of the least contacted people left.

[Laava]

How far up his own arse was this dudes head?
Got his come uppance.
How's a community to survive without an imaginary friend?

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/slain-us-missionarys-crazy-plan-to-convert-worlds-most-reclusive-tribe/news-story/7b757c2dd05a93cbf38970fe39b76af9

Darwin award right there. It's what god would have wanted.
There has been noises about retrieving the body. Maybe they should send his family or the church members who support him.

[oldrider]

Highest court in the world = South Park? :bleh:

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1066083435117244416

[Laava]

Highest court in the world = South Park? :bleh:

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1066083435117244416
Lolz, etc etc

[oldrider]

China’s TERRIFYING Social Credit System http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/november2018/251118_social_credit.htm - Some KBr's show signs that they were born for this system. :rolleyes:


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[Viking01]

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/11/29/trump-has-officially-lost-the-trade-war-heres-what-can-happen-next/

Trump and Xi are due to meet at the G20 in Buenos Aires within the next day or so.
It will be interesting to see who blinks first, and what statements come out from the
western media.

Trump threatened to activate a further USD 200 billion of tariffs if no substantial
concessions were given by the Chinese. Anyone willing to bet that he will put that
threat into action ?

[oldrider]

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/11/29/trump-has-officially-lost-the-trade-war-heres-what-can-happen-next/

Trump and Xi are due to meet at the G20 in Buenos Aires within the next day or so.
It will be interesting to see who blinks first, and what statements come out from the
western media.

Trump threatened to activate a further USD 200 billion of tariffs if no substantial
concessions were given by the Chinese. Anyone willing to bet that he will put that
threat into action ?

Standard economical process - Boom - bust - confusion - WAR = :angry2::bash::2guns::girlfight::done::violin::lov e: - Trump is the perfect candidate to clinch the deal. :niceone:

[oldrider]

RUSSIA vs UKRAINE: (THE REAL?) "ANOTHER"? STORY (Judge for yourself) http://tomatobubble.com/id1272.html :corn:

[Viking01]

You mean that they're serious ?

https://youtu.be/p9flSi-Ls_w

[husaberg]

In case anyone with a brain actually is interested in Russian politics the pics of the vote stuffing for Putins election are interesting.
His conntrol of the Russian media is rather funny considering idiots claims about how russia is great and putin is so loved.
Note how the stupid worlders claim US and shadowy world figure conspiracy plays dirty politics but ignore actual evidence of Russian total corruption.


https://www.pbs.org/video/putins-revenge-mzz1lp/

https://www.pbs.org/video/putins-revenge-part-two-wpsiq2/

[Viking01]

https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-us-china-trade-war-armistice-trump-blinks-and-retreats-at-g-20/5661803

[Viking01]

A Merry Christmas and a Happy 2019 to One and All.

Donald

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/12/05/trump-is-following-his-standard-pattern-of-negotiation-with-china-but-markets-remain-jittery/

https://www.rt.com/news/445567-pompeo-russia-inf-sixty-days/

Personally, I can't quite work out if the fat guy in the sleigh is going to
get hit by tariffs or by a missile this year. In either case, he better be
damn quick on the delivery round this year.

[oldrider]

What is Really Happening in France?

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[Viking01]

The bill squeaked through the Australian Senate on parliament's final workday
of the year in Canberra late on Thursday. Surprised ?

https://sputniknews.com/science/201812061070459203-australia-controversial-anti-encryption-law/

[oldrider]

Irish version and reaction? :- https://twitter.com/Saymyname8418/status/1071145982686097408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :scratch: Nationalism out - globalism in? - white race out - mixed race in? :yes: control? :rolleyes:

[Berries]

Who is driving this shit?
Oooo. Surprise me.

[oldrider]

Here's some more of the same for perusal:- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-08/paris-lockdown-watch-live-hundreds-arrested-tear-gas-deployed-during-fourth-week - world wide chaos? - coming to a town like yours? :msn-wink:

[carbonhed]

An interesting paper on conspiracy theories and the people that peddle them.

https://www.salon.com/2018/09/09/why-do-people-share-conspiracy-theories-and-fake-news-maybe-its-the-human-need-for-chaos/

https://psyarxiv.com/6m4ts/

"Many status-obsessed, yet marginalized individuals experience a 'Need for Chaos' and want to 'watch the world burn',"

[mashman]

"Many status-obsessed, yet marginalized individuals experience a 'Need for Chaos' and want to 'watch the world burn',"

Sounds like virtually every human being on the planet. (https://www.overshootday.org/about-earth-overshoot-day/) A paper you say..........

[carbonhed]

Sounds like virtually every human being on the planet. (https://www.overshootday.org/about-earth-overshoot-day/) A paper you say..........

Well it sounds like you :laugh:

Still managing to give up the fags?

[mashman]

Well it sounds like you :laugh:

Still managing to give up the fags?

If chaos was required, I'd create plenty of it :devil2:... and hey, the free market is chaos enough. You one of them free market fellas arencha :shifty:

Some good days and too many "bad" days.

[Viking01]

Hopefully Winston is watching ...

https://www.apnews.com/f1381ae9661d4499823432295eb01b00

[oldrider]

A Historian Holds Britain to Account for Killing Millions in a Rare Interview?:- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50765.htm :corn:

[oldrider]

Whole article:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=7s8jseBqojc

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[Viking01]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/12/warning-solar-geoengineerings-dangers-group-recommends-global-ban.html

[Viking01]

No, this is not a Red Bull advertisement.

But I happened to watch a Red Bull mountain bike challenge on one of the
TV's while I was on the treadmill at the gym, and while I'm not a mountain
bike rider, I have to give credit to those that can ride challenging terrain
(and come away still intact).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FAuNcWSxuY (2 mins 40 secs)

And while I was searching for the clip online, I happened to come across
a gallery of Red Bull extreme sport photos for 2018. One or two good shots
in the collection.

https://newatlas.com/red-bull-best-extreme-sports-photographs-2018-gallery/57713/#gallery

[oldrider]

Saved by America and their Western Alliance? - :yes: - Look no further, all the statistics you need! :- https://twitter.com/africlandpost/status/1074491806790737920 - :mellow:

[pritch]

No, this is not a Red Bull advertisement.

But I happened to watch a Red Bull mountain bike challenge on one of the
TV's while I was on the treadmill at the gym, and while I'm not a mountain
bike rider, I have to give credit to those that can ride challenging terrain
(and come away still intact).



Saw a recent online discussion, mountain bike racers were complaining that the tracks are getting too easy now and are insufficiently demanding.

The suggestion was made that they should park their super expensive, fully suspended, crafted from exotic material bike in the shed. Instead they should tackle the tracks on their old steel unsuspended bikes to put the challenge back. Also the dudes whinging are probably elite level or close, and the tracks they find disappointing are more than challenging enough for mere mortals.

I had some sympathy with that argument but now I'm off to view Viking's clips.

[oldrider]

:hitcher: Words Of Warning from Venezuela: Don't Give Up Your Guns! :- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-19/words-warning-venezuela-dont-give-your-guns :2guns:

[oldrider]

Had to laugh a little at this one:- https://twitter.com/downunderabc123/status/1076266854602072064/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :niceone:

[Viking01]

https://www.rt.com/news/447256-integrity-initiative-psyops-establishment-media/

Has to be a Russian psy-op. Surely ?

Thought it was rather cunning that they published the article on RT,
and made reference to the Russian orthodox Church as well, just to
throw the hounds off the scent.

And all those that apply for project funding, well, they'll just have
shown their hand. Very smart. You'd almost think that was one of
Putin's ideas.

But there's going to be hell to pay when they come out with a story
that the fat fellow on the red sleigh coming out of the Arctic and
laughing all the way is ....

Lastly, don't believe everything you read, but do try and have a
Merry Christmas yourself. And make it a safe one.

Anyway, must away. Deliveries to make. Hope they've sorted out that
drone problem around Gatwick.

[george formby]

A shocking incident in Sydney.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz//world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12181694&ref=clavis


Probably not the brightest spark.

[oldrider]

There are NO laws preventing Americans from criticizing America.

But there ARE laws preventing Americans from criticizing Israel.

Curious eh?


https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1078087857825292288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F

[carbonhed]

A shocking incident in Sydney.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz//world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12181694&ref=clavis


Probably not the brightest spark.

Well he was probably one of the brightest sparks... briefly.

In news from a parallel dimension noted for total retardedness...

"Saudi Arabia elected as new member to the Executive Board of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women."

https://twitter.com/ksamissionun/status/985984358518542337

I'm sure women the world over are suitably grateful.

[george formby]

Well he was probably one of the brightest sparks... briefly.

In news from a parallel dimension noted for total retardedness...

"Saudi Arabia elected as new member to the Executive Board of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women."

https://twitter.com/ksamissionun/status/985984358518542337

I'm sure women the world over are suitably grateful.

:brick: Fuck. Money.

What next - Donating funds to get journalists out of prison in countries with "oppressive" regimes?

[oldrider]

Directed Energy Weapons (DEW)? :scratch: http://www.chemtrailplanet.com/DEW.html - I post this out of interest only - Stupid world? - Well probably in the long run. :rolleyes:

[Viking01]

One lesson that I've put to good practice in more recent years
is not to necessarily believe headline stories, but to wait a
period of time (say 1-2 weeks) for the story to "mature".

And so it seems that Donald's "immediate troop withdrawal from
Syria" - following the defeat of ISIS - has now matured into
"we're staying - until ISIS has been defeated - and the Kurds
are safe".

https://www.apnews.com/e03de193e25e4fc19377ce99f947aa45

I suspect a possible reason for the "change in position" is
that at the time of the original press announcement, Donald
was not wearing one of the approved virtual reality headsets
(as modelled by most of the audience shown in the photo in
the article).


On a separate topic, I see that they may have determined the
cause of the earlier "sonic attacks" on the US embassy in Cuba.

At the time, I thought that such behaviour was just not cricket.
But by being patient and waiting for clarification, it seems ....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/06/sonic-attack-on-us-embassy-in-havana-could-have-been-crickets-say-scientists

[oldrider]

Graphic: Chairman Of Germany's Far-Right Party Brutally Beaten Within Inch Of His Life In "Assassination Attempt" :eek:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-07/graphic-chairman-germanys-far-right-party-brutally-beaten-within-inch-his-life - :stoogie:

They (?) claim it's getting worse and that the MSM won't cover it? - Are UK France Germany heading for civil war - US next? - :scratch: - Global chaos followed by NWO? :wait:

[husaberg]

Graphic: Chairman Of Germany's Far-Right Party Brutally Beaten Within Inch Of His Life In "Assassination Attempt" :eek:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-07/graphic-chairman-germanys-far-right-party-brutally-beaten-within-inch-his-life - :stoogie:

They (?) claim it's getting worse and that the MSM won't cover it? - Are UK France Germany heading for civil war - US next? - :scratch: - Global chaos followed by NWO? :wait:

So should to stop it all when should Germany get a new chancellor invade Poland France Holland Belgium Denmark and Russia to stop the NWO?

[oldrider]

Interesting little tweet from Twitter? https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1082716567144751104/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

Just for balance "Comment from one of the NWO (wannabe?) team leaders". https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-diplomats/pope-francis-warns-of-resurgent-nationalism-urges-help-for-migrants-idUSKCN1P115Z :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

Just for balance "Comment from one of the NWO (wannabe?) team leaders". https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-diplomats/pope-francis-warns-of-resurgent-nationalism-urges-help-for-migrants-idUSKCN1P115Z :rolleyes:

You should really explain how the Catholic pope is working with this NWO you have previously described as being Jews.:laugh:

[oldrider]

You should really explain how the Catholic pope is working with this NWO you have previously described as being Jews.:laugh:

:no: - Serious dialogue with you is impossible - all you do is race around trying to tell yourself that you have scored some imaginary self styled points. :sleep:

[Katman]

:no: - Serious dialogue with you is impossible - all you do is race around trying to tell yourself that you have scored some imaginary self styled points. :sleep:

Just treat him like an idiot.

Less stress that way.

[husaberg]

:no: - Serious dialogue with you is impossible - all you do is race around trying to tell yourself that you have scored some imaginary self styled points. :sleep:

Serious dialogue that's funny, you are the one posting unsolicited endless contradictory conspiracies theories, nothing in what you post requires serious dialogue, it only inspires mirth and derision and pity.
The reason you fail to be able to engage in any justification for what you post is pretty simple, you cant justify the garbage you post.

[oldrider]

Dictatorship emerging in France?


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[Viking01]

I wonder what it is used for :

https://southfront.org/the-secret-logistics-of-americas-global-deep-state/

[oldrider]

NWO: Communism by the Backdoor Part 1 - (Published on 1 Sep 2016 - how relevant is this series for today or the future?) - :wait:

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[husaberg]

NWO: Communism by the Backdoor Part 1 - (Published on 1 Sep 2016 - how relevant is this series for today or the future?) - :wait:


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Cheers Its 100% relevant to my assertion that all you post are regurgitation's of Nazi propaganda.
Maybe you would care to explain how that video is different from the Nazi propaganda?
Or is it you aim just to post WW2 nazi propaganda?

[oldrider]

It really upsets your equilibrium that there may be opinions or interests expressed in world events contrary to those held by yourself :msn-wink: - M'kay meanwhile back on KB?

[husaberg]

It really upsets your equilibrium that there may be opinions or interests expressed in world events contrary to those held by yourself :msn-wink: - M'kay meanwhile back on KB?

Funny because You dont have any of your own opinions you simply regurgitate mein Kampf and Joseph Goebbels.
Then get all upset and defensive when its pointed out.

[oldrider]

So are you going to tell this guy the same message?

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[husaberg]

So are you going to tell this guy the same message?



I wouldn't bother or need to watch any more of your nazi clap trap to form an opinion that you are a bitter old nazi angry at the world as you have not been at all successful and are looking for someone to blame for your lack of sucess and overal happiness.
All you are doing is posting regurgitated nazi propaganda. Goebbels would be so proud of you.
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2015/04/afavavav2-e1429575710484-640x400.jpg

[oldrider]

Shove your stupid game up your arse!

[husaberg]

Shove your stupid game up your arse!

Thats not very nice, its not a game, its just simply you getting questioned about the motives and the content of what you post unsolicited on what is a motorbike forum
Perhaps seeing as you are a self styled expert on Hitler made you could tell me what He meant when he wote this in his political testament the day before he blew his brains out.

http://www.auschwitz.dk/will2.jpg

But I left no doubt about the fact that if the peoples of Europe were again only regarded as so many packages of stock shares by these international money and finance conspirators, then that race, too, which is the truly guilty party in this murderous struggle would also have to be held to account: the Jews! I further left no doubt that this time we would not permit millions of European children of Aryan descent to die of hunger, nor millions of grown-up men to suffer death, nor hundreds of thousands of women and children to be burned and bombed to death in their cities, without the truly guilty party having to atone for its guilt, even if through more humane means.
Given in Berlin, 29th April 1945, 4:00 a.m.
signed: A. Hitler

Signed as witnesses:

Dr. Joseph Goebbels
Wilhelm Burgdorf
Martin Bormann
Hans Krebs


Just what was he referring to with that last sentence if not the killing of millions of innocent people for no other reason than they were Jewish.

[oldrider]

Post whatever you like it doesn't bother me, I just wont indulge myself in your silly SJW keyboard games. :bye:

[oldrider]

Article:- https://www.activistpost.com/2018/09/bombshell-documents-expose-the-secret-lie-that-started-the-afghan-war.html - :rolleyes:


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[carbonhed]

Gillette's triumphant ad campaign encouraging men to renounce their evil rapin and molestin ways crashes and burns on re entry to the real world. This is what happens when you let a hairy arsed feminist create an ad campaign to sell razors to men. Personally I collected all my gillette products and ritually burned them before heading off to Countdown to purchase a competing product. Best comment so far... "This ad would only appeal to feminists who don't shave anything".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCT4nYIpRSs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0&t=4s

[Laava]

Here are some people from stupid world...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6597021/British-gypsy-children-steal-CHRISTMAS-TREE-petrol-station.html#comments

[carbonhed]

Here are some people from stupid world...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6597021/British-gypsy-children-steal-CHRISTMAS-TREE-petrol-station.html#comments

Imagine sharing the flight home with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Banditbandit]

Gillette's triumphant ad campaign encouraging men to renounce their evil rapin and molestin ways crashes and burns on re entry to the real world. This is what happens when you let a hairy arsed feminist create an ad campaign to sell razors to men. Personally I collected all my gillette products and ritually burned them before heading off to Countdown to purchase a competing product. Best comment so far... "This ad would only appeal to feminists who don't shave anything".



Oh you poor thing - did you get your big hairy arsed silverback butt get hurt ???


never mind - I'm sure there's a handy tree you can shake to get rid of your anger ..

[carbonhed]

Oh you poor thing - did you get your big hairy arsed silverback butt get hurt ???


never mind - I'm sure there's a handy tree you can shake to get rid of your anger ..

:laugh: I didn't imagine you getting your ethics from an ad company and Procter and Gamble. How the mighty have fallen.

Here's the tool for next time you shave your ballsack......


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/813BfaE-pnL._SX522_.jpg

[Graystone]

Gillette's triumphant ad campaign encouraging men to renounce their evil rapin and molestin ways crashes and burns on re entry to the real world. This is what happens when you let a hairy arsed feminist create an ad campaign to sell razors to men. Personally I collected all my gillette products and ritually burned them before heading off to Countdown to purchase a competing product. Best comment so far... "This ad would only appeal to feminists who don't shave anything".

Piers Morgan, the TV presenter, blasted the ad, writing, "This absurd virtue-signalling PC guff may drive me away to a company less eager to fuel the current pathetic global assault on masculinity."

Gutted bro.

It's a great ad.

[carbonhed]

Piers Morgan, the TV presenter, blasted the ad, writing, "This absurd virtue-signalling PC guff may drive me away to a company less eager to fuel the current pathetic global assault on masculinity."

Gutted bro.

It's a great ad.

Over the last decade Procter and Gamble have been fined over 200 million Euros for price fixing, named by Amnesty International as profiting from forced child labour, and have tested their products on animals.... glad you like them though. Or maybe you think the ad agency has changed EvilCorps ethics? As ad agencies always do :rofl:

[Graystone]

Over the last decade Procter and Gamble have been fined over 200 million Euros for price fixing, named by Amnesty International as profiting from forced child labour, and have tested their products on animals.... glad you like them though. Or maybe you think the ad agency has changed EvilCorps ethics? As ad agencies always do :rofl:

Who the fuck is Procter and Gamble and why should I care? The Ad raises up a very serious social issue in a new light to provoke thought, I'm not sure why so many people disagree with the message that we should have a think, and make improvements as required.

[carbonhed]

They own Gillette. These are the people spoon feeding you platitudes to encourage you to buy a razor. It's a marketing campaign not the Gettysburg address.

I'd warrant even an emasculated pussy like you didn't learn a single new thing from that ad.

[carbonhed]

Greystone seems to be having difficulty ejecting EvilCorps dick from his throat at the moment but will no doubt be along shortly claiming that he enjoyed the experience, didn't value his gag reflex that highly and had re evaluated his experience of masculinity accordingly.

[TheDemonLord]

Who the fuck is Procter and Gamble and why should I care? The Ad raises up a very serious social issue in a new light to provoke thought, I'm not sure why so many people disagree with the message that we should have a think, and make improvements as required.

So, you can probably guess which side of this debate I sit on - but I'm curious:

By what rationale or right does an advert for Razor blades have to morally lecture someone about Social issues? Serious or otherwise?

Not only the above, but it comes with a presupposition that the viewpoint they are advocating is objectively right, and not only that, but said presupposition is neither earned nor comes with any form of Mandate.

[Banditbandit]

:laugh: I didn't imagine you getting your ethics from an ad company and Procter and Gamble. How the mighty have fallen.

Here's the tool for next time you shave your ballsack......


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/813BfaE-pnL._SX522_.jpg


Were you born that stupid or does it take practice?

[Banditbandit]

So, you can probably guess which side of this debate I sit on - but I'm curious:

By what rationale or right does an advert for Razor blades have to morally lecture someone about Social issues? Serious or otherwise?

Not only the above, but it comes with a presupposition that the viewpoint they are advocating is objectively right, and not only that, but said presupposition is neither earned nor comes with any form of Mandate.

They pay for the air time - it is not free speech ..

let me make this very clear - I don't watch ads - I turn off the sound and go read something .. I have never seen the ad, I do not give a fuck about the ad

I'm amazed at how much hatred an ad has created ..

You all say that the ads are just propaganda, that they are only trying to sell you something you don't need ..

And then you all get upset at an ad?

Clearly the ads are more important than you say they are ..

Some of you are too young to remember the Greggs ad - the first one to show us as a multicultural country ..



https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/set/item/99

[Banditbandit]

Is your masculinity so under threat that this advertisement - a paid piece of propaganda aimed at making you buy a product - has completely upset it?

Fuggin' snowflakes - all of you posers ..

[TheDemonLord]

They pay for the air time - it is not free speech ..

let me make this very clear - I don't watch ads - I turn off the sound and go read something .. I have never seen the ad, I do not give a fuck about the ad

I'm amazed at how much hatred an ad has created ..

You all say that the ads are just propaganda, that they are only trying to sell you something you don't need ..

And then you all get upset at an ad?

Clearly the ads are more important than you say they are ..

Some of you are too young to remember the Greggs ad - the first one to show us as a multicultural country ..



https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/set/item/99

Compare the 2 implicit statements:

1: Buy our Razor, it's the best Razor.
2: You're a bad person because you aren't as virtuous as us, if you buy our product, you'll be able to redeem yourself partially from the guilt of original Sin.

If it was an isolated instance - no one would care, but this is but the latest in a long line of companies taking established (and sometimes beloved) IP and using it as a platform to shove a particular political viewpoint down our collective throats or prejudicially applying their ToS to further said political viewpoint

Star Wars, GhostBusters, Oceans 8, Battlefield 5, Magic: The Gathering, Youtube, Patreon, Facebook, Twitter, MasterCard, Paypal, Myriad of Comic Book titles and now Gillette. They are currently gunning for James Bond I understand.

In all of the above cases, the result of trying to shove political Ideology where it's not wanted has been loss of Revenue, which results in the loss of that IP from being further developed/delivered.

And People are getting Sick of it, they are getting Sick of being called *ists when they know they aren't, they are sick of being lectured to by Companies who've usurped a moral highground they have no right to assume, they are sick of seeing their favourite bits of content - in some cases, content they have spent thousands of dollars, over decades supporting, enjoying, promoting - being destroyed by someone elses malicious utopian vision.

[Banditbandit]

Rolling Stnes - Satisaction (1965 )


When I'm watchin' my TV and a man comes on and tells me
How white my shirts can be
But, he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me ...



People were sick of it then ..

If you don't like it - use the fucking OFF switch ..


PS - I recently heard this as the music for a car ad - can't remember which one - I thought 'How Ironic' ..

[carbonhed]

Were you born that stupid or does it take practice?

Jesus. You're arguing about an ad you haven't even seen and I'm the stupid one :lol:

Fucking priceless. God it must be great to be an academic.

[carbonhed]

Compare the 2 implicit statements:

1: Buy our Razor, it's the best Razor.
2: You're a bad person because you aren't as virtuous as us, if you buy our product, you'll be able to redeem yourself partially from the guilt of original Sin.

If it was an isolated instance - no one would care, but this is but the latest in a long line of companies taking established (and sometimes beloved) IP and using it as a platform to shove a particular political viewpoint down our collective throats or prejudicially applying their ToS to further said political viewpoint

Star Wars, GhostBusters, Oceans 8, Battlefield 5, Magic: The Gathering, Youtube, Patreon, Facebook, Twitter, MasterCard, Paypal, Myriad of Comic Book titles and now Gillette. They are currently gunning for James Bond I understand.

In all of the above cases, the result of trying to shove political Ideology where it's not wanted has been loss of Revenue, which results in the loss of that IP from being further developed/delivered.

And People are getting Sick of it, they are getting Sick of being called *ists when they know they aren't, they are sick of being lectured to by Companies who've usurped a moral highground they have no right to assume, they are sick of seeing their favourite bits of content - in some cases, content they have spent thousands of dollars, over decades supporting, enjoying, promoting - being destroyed by someone elses malicious utopian vision.

Nicely put. That's where I'm at.

[TheDemonLord]

Rolling Stnes - Satisaction (1965 )


When I'm watchin' my TV and a man comes on and tells me
How white my shirts can be
But, he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me ...



People were sick of it then ..

If you don't like it - use the fucking OFF switch ..


PS - I recently heard this as the music for a car ad - can't remember which one - I thought 'How Ironic' ..

Where's the Off switch for overt Political Ideology? I mean - almost all the items in the list I presented have suffered large scale losses as a result of poisoning their content with their political viewpoint - yet companies are still doing it.

If customers are voting with their Wallets and the companies are still doing it - what next?

Do we the fans get to take over control of the IP so we can remake a beloved franchise as it should be?

[Katman]

https://goo.gl/images/VXhdWP

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

[Graystone]

They own Gillette. These are the people spoon feeding you platitudes to encourage you to buy a razor. It's a marketing campaign not the Gettysburg address.

I'd warrant even an emasculated pussy like you didn't learn a single new thing from that ad.

Are you unclear of the purpose of advertisements?


Greystone seems to be having difficulty ejecting EvilCorps dick from his throat at the moment but will no doubt be along shortly claiming that he enjoyed the experience, didn't value his gag reflex that highly and had re evaluated his experience of masculinity accordingly.

Is that supposed to be relevant?


So, you can probably guess which side of this debate I sit on - but I'm curious:

By what rationale or right does an advert for Razor blades have to morally lecture someone about Social issues? Serious or otherwise?

Not only the above, but it comes with a presupposition that the viewpoint they are advocating is objectively right, and not only that, but said presupposition is neither earned nor comes with any form of Mandate.

All the best ads 'start with why'. The ad would have you believe Gillette wants men to be the best that they can be, how they do that is with the best shave possible for a man's appearance to be the best possible, what they use to do it are razor blades. Selling an idea is a far more powerful marketing strategy than selling a commodity product.

As to the message itself, it violates no advertising laws, and they pay to get it out there, no mandate or morale rationale is required.

[carbonhed]

Are you unclear of the purpose of advertisements?



Is that supposed to be relevant?



All the best ads 'start with why'. The ad would have you believe Gillette wants men to be the best that they can be, how they do that is with the best shave possible for a man's appearance to be the best possible, what they use to do it are razor blades. Selling an idea is a far more powerful marketing strategy than selling a commodity product.

As to the message itself, it violates no advertising laws, and they pay to get it out there, no mandate or morale rationale is required.

He swallowed :lol:

[TheDemonLord]

All the best ads 'start with why'.

I'm not entirely certain I agree with that, but whatevs.


The ad would have you believe Gillette wants men to be the best that they can be, how they do that is with the best shave possible for a man's appearance to be the best possible, what they use to do it are razor blades. Selling an idea is a far more powerful marketing strategy than selling a commodity product.

No, but this point has I think illuminated what is objectionable about the Ad:

The definition of what makes a Man the best he can be is a negotiated Social Contract. Men decide who is Best among them, and when there is disagreement (typically) will engage in conflict to resolve it (not necessarily fighting - Sport, Debate, etc.) - but that's only half of the Coin, Women ALSO decide who is Best among Men, and settle the disagreement via Mate selection (effectively).

Whilst not an exact science - the major character traits are generally well know: Confident, Resilient, Fit/Healthy, Successful, Tall, Competent, Humble, self-sacrificing, Conscientious etc. etc.

Basically take every Action Hero from every Action Movie, Extract the Meta Character traits and combine them from every Meta trait from Fabio from every Mills and Boon novel.

We know it, Women know it. And now Gillette wish to replace this, with a narrative that isn't based on that, it's based purely on an ideological viewpoint that the majority of Men and Women don't agree with. That in of-itself isn't the most egregious part, it's the implicit lauding of this faux-moral superiority over the rest of us dirty, unwashed plebeians that is the offensive part.


As to the message itself, it violates no advertising laws, and they pay to get it out there, no mandate or morale rationale is required.

Did I say it violated it? No, I said it assumes the Moral highground without having either earned it or being elected to it.

[oldrider]

The Terrible Truth About "Ireland 2040" :mellow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkl1xGTt9Sw&feature=youtu.be

Curiosity made me linger and listen to this little burble and it got me wondering what's in it for the future of Gods-own? :confused:

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-18/putin-stealing-santas-grotto-magnetic-north-pole-has-moved-closer-russia

Just when you think that the Russians can't come up with another
cunning trick to best the US military, they surprise you yet again.

[carbonhed]

The UN has now appointed Yemen to VP of the Gender Equality Agency. 149th out of 149 countries on the Gender Gap scale.

Thank fuck for the UN I say. Every bureaucracy is shit and the bigger the bureaucracy..................

https://www.unwatch.org/un-elects-yemen-worst-gender-equality-vp-uns-gender-equality-agency/

[oldrider]

So a real world still exists out there:- :niceone: https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1086614447307849729/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :laugh:

[nerrrd]

About the Gilette ad, I think you’re over-thinking it.

Never underestimate the ability of ad agency types to talk their clients into their next ‘big idea’, nor how bored their creatives get trying to come up with it, nor how likely they are to jump on a ‘worthy’ bandwagon to make themselves feel better about what they’re doing for a living.

[oldrider]

Here is the "Real world" - just for a moment? :- https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1086677098247454720 - :msn-wink:

[Viking01]

https://jackrasmus.com/2019/01/09/trumps-deja-vu-china-trade-war-part-i/

[Banditbandit]

Jesus. You're arguing about an ad you haven't even seen and I'm the stupid one :lol:

Fucking priceless. God it must be great to be an academic.

Where have I argued about an ad?

I'm suggesting you drop kicks are getting upset over bugger all .. that has nothing to do with the specific ad ..

[Viking01]

I have to admit finding it difficult trying to get a good understanding
why the UK wanted to exit the EU, and of the Brexit process itself.

Now the vote on the Withdrawal Agreement Document has been taken
(and lost, resoundingly), May then had three days to come up with an
alternative plan (Monday 21st January - today UK time). The Withdrawal
Agreement document actually allowed 21 days for this phase, but May
chose the minimum time allowable.

And there is one further date (29 March 2019) where, if no high level
Withdrawal Agreement can be agreed in the interim ("No Deal"), then
the UK will (by default) automatically exit the EU.

Even if "No Deal" is the outcome, the UK and EU will then need to start
another negotiation cycle, in order to specify how they will interact with
one another going forward.


I have been collecting links to Brexit related documents over the past 18
months, simply to try and find some good explanation:

- Why go through this "divorce" process ? What were the perceived benefits
of Brexit to the UK, and did they justify all this effort and upheaval ?

- Whether UK politicians recognised the potential (adverse) impact upon UK
companies and citizens - as well as the magnitude of UK-EU negotiation
likely required in the event of a "No Deal" outcome.

I attach links for a few of these documents, in case they are of interest.

1. Simple Guide to the UK leaving the EU

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46318565

2. Why are People Cheering for a "No Deal" ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/18/cheering-no-deal-question-time-brexit

3. What a "No Deal" Decision Could Mean

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45511297
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Cost-of-No-Deal-Revisted.pdf

[Graystone]

I'm not entirely certain I agree with that, but whatevs.



No, but this point has I think illuminated what is objectionable about the Ad:

The definition of what makes a Man the best he can be is a negotiated Social Contract. Men decide who is Best among them, and when there is disagreement (typically) will engage in conflict to resolve it (not necessarily fighting - Sport, Debate, etc.) - but that's only half of the Coin, Women ALSO decide who is Best among Men, and settle the disagreement via Mate selection (effectively).

Whilst not an exact science - the major character traits are generally well know: Confident, Resilient, Fit/Healthy, Successful, Tall, Competent, Humble, self-sacrificing, Conscientious etc. etc.

Basically take every Action Hero from every Action Movie, Extract the Meta Character traits and combine them from every Meta trait from Fabio from every Mills and Boon novel.

We know it, Women know it. And now Gillette wish to replace this, with a narrative that isn't based on that, it's based purely on an ideological viewpoint that the majority of Men and Women don't agree with. That in of-itself isn't the most egregious part, it's the implicit lauding of this faux-moral superiority over the rest of us dirty, unwashed plebeians that is the offensive part.



Did I say it violated it? No, I said it assumes the Moral highground without having either earned it or being elected to it.

Your agreement is not required.

You might think it objectionable, but your question was by what rationale or right do they have to present their view on such issues...

[carbonhed]

Where have I argued about an ad?

I'm suggesting you drop kicks are getting upset over bugger all .. that has nothing to do with the specific ad ..

I get it. You're wrong but I get it.

[TheDemonLord]

Your agreement is not required.

You might think it objectionable, but your question was by what rationale or right do they have to present their view on such issues...

I never said they weren't within their rights to present their views (He who pays the piper - right?) but the message within that view contains a moral judgement and an implicit lecture.

I'm asking what makes them think they've earned the right to assume the Moral highground. Was there a Vote I missed to make Gillette arbiters of what is/isn't acceptable Masculinity? Have they consistently acted in a manner as to be judged by both peers and customers to be virtuous?

Point is - you can't simply declare "I'm better than you, and therefore you should do as I say". And that's part of the Wider Backlash.

[Banditbandit]

I never said they weren't within their rights to present their views (He who pays the piper - right?) but the message within that view contains a moral judgement and an implicit lecture.

I'm asking what makes them think they've earned the right to assume the Moral highground. Was there a Vote I missed to make Gillette arbiters of what is/isn't acceptable Masculinity? Have they consistently acted in a manner as to be judged by both peers and customers to be virtuous?

Point is - you can't simply declare "I'm better than you, and therefore you should do as I say". And that's part of the Wider Backlash.

So how about the road safety ads? Wear seat belts, slow down, don't use a cellphone ..

Ads for safe sex ...

There are plenty of ads that tell you what to do and how to behave ..

[Banditbandit]

I never said they weren't within their rights to present their views (He who pays the piper - right?) but the message within that view contains a moral judgement and an implicit lecture.

I'm asking what makes them think they've earned the right to assume the Moral highground. Was there a Vote I missed to make Gillette arbiters of what is/isn't acceptable Masculinity? Have they consistently acted in a manner as to be judged by both peers and customers to be virtuous?

Point is - you can't simply declare "I'm better than you, and therefore you should do as I say". And that's part of the Wider Backlash.

How about these ..


https://inequalitybyinteriordesign.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/wcf_e_a001084366.jpg?w=468&h=312


http://cdn.campaignbrief.com/nz/assets_c/2015/06/90537743-thumb-400x288-189071.jpg

[Banditbandit]

https://d3nuqriibqh3vw.cloudfront.net/styles/aotw_detail_ir/s3/images/dmax-bottle-opener.jpg?itok=MY5d7OGi

[TheDemonLord]

So how about the road safety ads? Wear seat belts, slow down, don't use a cellphone ..

Ads for safe sex ...

There are plenty of ads that tell you what to do and how to behave ..

All of those are run by the Government - those who we Elect. If we think the Moral lecture we get from them has crossed some line, we can vote to change them.

For the other 3 adverts:

The first one is a Challenge/invitation, not a Lecture - it's not asking Men to change their behavior but consider a different career path.

Same with the German one, it's a Challenge (although that one has a clear comedic element to it).

The second is interesting - I can see how you could interpret it as a Moral Lecture, but I'm not sure it is. It certainly is portraying an Ideal of Masculinity, it is also presenting a path to becoming a better Man. However, the difference is that it leads by Example, and more specifically - an Example that is universally accepted by Men. It's using an accepted, pre-existing archetype and linking it back to the message. It's not simply claiming the moral highground and then forcing something unearned upon us.

[Ocean1]

Relevant...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/110121189/how-safetyism-created-an-epidemic-of-anxiety-and-fragility

[TheDemonLord]

Relevant...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/110121189/how-safetyism-created-an-epidemic-of-anxiety-and-fragility

Jonathan Haidt is awesome.

[mashman]

HM Is Sitting On $4.3 Billion Worth Of Unsold Stock (https://wellmadeclothes.co.nz/articles/HM43BillionWorthOfUnsoldClothes)

Burn it. Don't give it to those who need it. We want people who need clothes to buy clothes, cos that's fair.

[carbonhed]

Jonathan Haidt is awesome.

He'd have to be one of the most reasonable people who's active in the field of ideas at the moment,


https://youtu.be/FG6HbWw2RF4

[Ocean1]

He'd have to be one of the most reasonable people who's active in the field of ideas at the moment,

Y'know, there's something deeply discouraging about the concept of ideas as "a field". Like "productive sector" it's almost like there's some place you have to go to do that shit. And put this wee hat on while you're at it.

Rather than both being a bit like breathing: a necessary function of living which you don't get to delegate, or sub out to some other poor schmuck.

[carbonhed]

Y'know, there's something deeply discouraging about the concept of ideas as "a field". Like "productive sector" it's almost like there's some place you have to go to do that shit. And put this wee hat on while you're at it.

Rather than both being a bit like breathing: a necessary function of living which you don't get to delegate, or sub out to some other poor schmuck.

:-) I'm quite happy to listen to people with expertise in fields that I'm not up to speed with but interested in. But it was a rather clunky way of expressing it.

[carbonhed]

Meanwhile in Venezuela... hundreds of thousands protest against the socialist cocksuckers who have transformed their country into a hell hole. Jeremy Corbyn will be having an aneurysm.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2019/jan/24/venezuela-protests-as-two-leaders-vie-to-be-president-in-pictures

[Graystone]

I never said they weren't within their rights to present their views (He who pays the piper - right?) but the message within that view contains a moral judgement and an implicit lecture.

I'm asking what makes them think they've earned the right to assume the Moral highground. Was there a Vote I missed to make Gillette arbiters of what is/isn't acceptable Masculinity? Have they consistently acted in a manner as to be judged by both peers and customers to be virtuous?

Point is - you can't simply declare "I'm better than you, and therefore you should do as I say". And that's part of the Wider Backlash.

And?

Their morality. Free speech doesn't require a vote dude.

You are constantly doing the same as they are, but just on your pissant little soapbox. Are you simply frustrated as their morality gains more and more popularity over your own?

[mashman]

Australian man to be deported to NZ, despite never having been here (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110135771/australian-man-to-be-deported-to-nz-despite-never-having-set-foot-in-the-country)

[Ocean1]

Australian man to be deported to NZ, despite never having been here (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110135771/australian-man-to-be-deported-to-nz-despite-never-having-set-foot-in-the-country)

We should take a leaf out of the Aussies book and deport him to the Cook Islands.

[TheDemonLord]

And?

Their morality. Free speech doesn't require a vote dude.

Oh, So NOW you support Free Speech... Tell me again how you vociferously defended Alex Jones...


You are constantly doing the same as they are, but just on your pissant little soapbox.

Actually, No. See if you can figure out what the difference is between what Gillette have done and what you think I do.


Are you simply frustrated as their morality gains more and more popularity over your own?

They say a picture is worth a Thousand words, or in this case 1.3 Million Dislikes.

340641

In what reality or planet does that show 'more and more populatity'?

[mashman]

We should take a leaf out of the Aussies book and deport him to the Cook Islands.

You could probably get Trump to buy into a new penal colony.

[Graystone]

Oh, So NOW you support Free Speech... Tell me again how you vociferously defended Alex Jones...



Actually, No. See if you can figure out what the difference is between what Gillette have done and what you think I do.



They say a picture is worth a Thousand words, or in this case 1.3 Million Dislikes.

340641

In what reality or planet does that show 'more and more populatity'?

Free speech includes the right to tell someone to shut the fuck up. How can you not understand this?

There is no difference, well save the one that Gillete don't carry on with all the hand wavey bullshit like you do. Just get you two brain cells in close enough proximity to bounce a point off each other and post it with clarity for fucks sake.

The one in which major companies are more and more likely to promote equality and fair treatment of all genders and races.

[TheDemonLord]

Free speech includes the right to tell someone to shut the fuck up. How can you not understand this?

Indeed it does, it ALSO includes putting up and defending other people's right to Free Speech.

That's the funny thing about Rights - they have this nasty habit of working both ways.

That's the part you're lacking - You're all about Free Speech when it's you (and only you) doing the Speaking. I'm all about Free Speech when it's people I can't stand doing the speaking.


There is no difference, well save the one that Gillete don't carry on with all the hand wavey bullshit like you do. Just get you two brain cells in close enough proximity to bounce a point off each other and post it with clarity for fucks sake.

Oh, but there is. It's one thing to disagree with an Ideal or Movement, it's entirely another to try and supplant an existing concept with your own twisted parody.


The one in which major companies are more and more likely to promote equality and fair treatment of all genders and races.

And hows that working out for them? Gillette have confirmed that their Ad campaign, despite going viral has generated no extra revenue.
GhostBusters and Oceans 8 were commercial Failures (I believe a combined loss of something like $500 Million).
Battlefield 5 was a commercial failure
Buzzfeed and Huffington post are laying off staff.

But all of this is Academic - you said that this was 'Popular' - By your own admission however, it's not popular, its just Major Companies doing it. And the Populace (related to the concept of 'popular' that you seem to be confused about) are voting with their wallets. As the saying goes:

Whence thou get Woke, thou shalt become Broke.