Stupid World

[mashman]

Because it's not as though America has ever fucked with Venezuela, is it?

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/Tracking-US-Intervention-in-Venezuela-Since-2002-20151117-0045.html

Ahhhhh the ways and means available to those with ways and means (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/28/russia-accuses-us-helping-isis-avoid-russian-airst/)

[mashman]

Will Kiwi’s watch in disbelief as controversial new law is used to target online dessent & exposé, not so-called cyber bullying? (http://www.laudafinem.com/2015/06/30/will-kiwis-watch-in-disbelief-as-contriversial-new-law-is-used-to-target-online-descent-expose-not-so-called-cyber-bullying/)... :laugh:

[Brian d marge]

The question hasn't changed.

And the above waffle still doesn't represent the answer.

So yet again: What elements of the M2 stock variable shown on your graph caused the stock market crashes shown on your graph?


I think I'll just revert to the almost certainly likely assumption that you simply haven't got a clue.
No the question did change hint highlighted in black
And each new question was answered in full

The problem seems to be ur end..

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

No the question did change hint highlighted in black
And each new question was answered in full

The problem seems to be ur end..

sent for a divine source

Yes, the problem at my end is your bullshit.

It was the same question, about your original post referencing the Fred graph and implying that every other cunt was clueless for not seeing the obvious cause of the 2014 crash.

Since which, in response to that same question you've posted your usual cut and paste drivel about 6 times, attempting to disguise the fact that you haven't got a fucking clue.

[Brian d marge]

Yes, the problem at my end is your bullshit.

It was the same question, about your original post referencing the Fred graph and implying that every other cunt was clueless for not seeing the obvious cause of the 2014 crash.

Since which, in response to that same question you've posted your usual cut and paste drivel about 6 times, attempting to disguise the fact that you haven't got a fucking clue.
Ok what ever you say ...


sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Britain is plunging towards an economic nightmare, and it isn't just because of Brexit (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/british-economy-slipping-towards-recession-2016-7?r=UK&IR=T)... lol.

[Brian d marge]

Britain is plunging towards an economic nightmare, and it isn't just because of Brexit (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/british-economy-slipping-towards-recession-2016-7?r=UK&IR=T)... lol.
Shhhhhhhh don't tell the black knight.....

But .... snip

The Bank of England has already warned that it will likely have to act to combat a coming economic storm by implementing a programme of quantitative easing

They should give it to the Italian banks as a going away present

Wait ..they already have

Viva Italia ...

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Shhhhhhhh don't tell the black knight.....

But .... snip

The Bank of England has already warned that it will likely have to act to combat a coming economic storm by implementing a programme of quantitative easing

They should give it to the Italian banks as a going away present

Wait ..they already have

Viva Italia ...

sent for a divine source

I smell UBI. Fits will be pitched as people get something for nothing.

[mashman]

Monsanto Submitted "Fake Scientific Data" Says Former Exec (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/19/838659/-)... luckily no other company falsifies scientific data to make regulation.

[mashman]

Government invests $260 million in McDonald's and other fast-food (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/81802404/government-invests-240m-million-in-mcdonalds-and-other-fastfood?cid=facebook.post.81802404)... hee hee

[avgas]

Britain is plunging towards an economic nightmare, and it isn't just because of Brexit (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/british-economy-slipping-towards-recession-2016-7?r=UK&IR=T)... lol.
Racists can't afford to spend money willy nilly - they have their jobs at the coal works that only pay $10/hr

Hi All, I'm still in America, this place it bat shit crazy.
Also no bike - I thought I was in a good place. The cravings had stopped. Then while watching the telly I see Norman and Imogen introduce me to some crazy as crew who do a podcast (http://motorcyclesandmisfits.com/)......and it sounded familiar. It sounded like some other crazy ass crew I remember.

I drive an SUV and wear a suit now. So if someone finds my balls could you send them over. Most "men" just buy AR-15's to compensate for the fact they have lost their balls. I don't want to go down that path.

[Banditbandit]

Racists can't afford to spend money willy nilly - they have their jobs at the coal works that only pay $10/hr

Hi All, I'm still in America, this place it bat shit crazy.
Also no bike - I thought I was in a good place. The cravings had stopped. Then while watching the telly I see Norman and Imogen introduce me to some crazy as crew who do a podcast (http://motorcyclesandmisfits.com/)......and it sounded familiar. It sounded like some other crazy ass crew I remember.

I drive an SUV and wear a suit now. So if someone finds my balls could you send them over. Most "men" just buy AR-15's to compensate for the fact they have lost their balls. I don't want to go down that path.

Escape while you can ... get out now ..

[Brian d marge]

Monsanto Submitted "Fake Scientific Data" Says Former Exec (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/19/838659/-)... luckily no other company falsifies scientific data to make regulation.
I tried telling inland revenue I was poor ..

They showed me a neat trick with a stone

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

I tried telling inland revenue I was poor ..

They showed me a neat trick with a stone

sent for a divine source

did it involve a hard place?

[Katman]

did it involve a hard place?

It was a stone - not a rock.

It only had to be a mildly difficult place.

[Brian d marge]

did it involve a hard place?
Lots of blood

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Didn't Labour loose a couple of recent elections mostly on the back of promising capital gains taxes?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81899650/property-investors-in-the-gun-as-labour-moves-to-tax-housing-speculation

They do have a habit of insisting that they're right and that everyone else is just wrong. Again and again....

[oldrider]

Having witnessed about seventy of the Labour parties 100 years the first 30 may have been productive but the rest have been a total non event! :facepalm:

Perhaps the only time that Labour came close was when they swapped places with National for a few years and their members didn't even notice! :laugh:

[mashman]

Racists can't afford to spend money willy nilly - they have their jobs at the coal works that only pay $10/hr

Hi All, I'm still in America, this place it bat shit crazy.
Also no bike - I thought I was in a good place. The cravings had stopped. Then while watching the telly I see Norman and Imogen introduce me to some crazy as crew who do a podcast (http://motorcyclesandmisfits.com/)......and it sounded familiar. It sounded like some other crazy ass crew I remember.

I drive an SUV and wear a suit now. So if someone finds my balls could you send them over. Most "men" just buy AR-15's to compensate for the fact they have lost their balls. I don't want to go down that path.

The programming works well eh :shifty:


I tried telling inland revenue I was poor ..

They showed me a neat trick with a stone

sent for a divine source

They offered to show me something similar... but a donkey, a blindfold and a small prick just sounded wrong, so it's still all just rumour.

[Brian d marge]

The programming works well eh :shifty:



They offered to show me something similar... but a donkey, a blindfold and a small prick just sounded wrong, so it's still all just rumour.
What's wrong with a donkey , according to ours nz has had a rockstar economy

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

What's wrong with a donkey , according to ours nz has had a rockstar economy

sent for a divine source

Along the lines of Jimmy, Janice and Jim...

Mr Key ....his eyes are very dead looking.

[Madness]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11672460

Fucking twats.

[Voltaire]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11672460

Fucking twats.

Yeah...and snapchat.https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/20771947.jpg

[Brian d marge]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/af2ceefbaeb4bb582b3eed7c6ce9e133.jpg
Looking good
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/58306dc52087e7a0aeaeffab49ff41c3.jpg
All good here
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/1e63aa5762a0f69c97ac0afbc591cd9b.jpg
Can't see a problem here
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/5128b39d45cd23272d06cdffe3a03ca4.jpg
Hmmmmhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/971b523d5872853d079d47a633d5dc00.jpg
No still can't see a problem ......

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

Thats because all the overseas investors have sold their poxy bonds and bought <s> tulips </s>Auckland Houses..... 12% year after year :woohoo:

Property seems popular with these guys as an investment:laugh:

And why not, negative geared, easy to borrow on, tax deductable, no capital gains.

Hon Amy Adams (National, Selwyn)

Real property
Farm property (owned by trust), Aylesbury
Bare land (owned by trust), Darfield
Bare land (owned by trust), Te Kauwhata
Commercial property (owned by trust), Templeton
Commercial property (owned by trust), Temuka
Vacant section (owned by trust), Cromwell
Residential property (owned by trust), West Melton

Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi (National, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by Bakshi Family Trust), Auckland
Investment properties (x2, owned by Kautha Trust), Auckland
Investment property (jointly held in partnership), Auckland
Investment property (owned by Bakshi Superannuation Scheme), Auckland

Hon Maggie Barry (National, North Shore)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Stanley Point, Auckland
Half share of an apartment (owned by trust), Wellington

Andrew Bayly (National, Hunua)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Karaka
Farm (owned by trust), Tuakau
Bare subdivision, Bombay, Auckland
Share of house (owned by trust), Tauranga

David Bennett (National, Hamilton East)

Real property
Dairy farms (x3), Te Awamutu
Residential property, Hamilton

Hon Paula Bennett (National, Upper Harbour)

Real property
Townhouse, Mt Eden, Auckland
House, Ōrātia, Auckland
House (jointly owned), Sunnyvale, Auckland
House (jointly owned), Henderson, Auckland

Mahesh Bindra (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home, Hillsborough, Auckland
Rental property, Hillsborough, Auckland

Chris Bishop (National, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Petone, Lower Hutt
Rental property, Grey Lynn, Auckland

Hon Chester Borrows (National, Whanganui)

Real property
Family home (owned by superannuation scheme), Hāwera
Rental property (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington

Hon Simon Bridges (National, Tauranga)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Matua, Tauranga
Apartment (in St Catherines Superannuation Scheme), Parnell, Auckland
Apartment (in St Catherines Superannuation Scheme), Central Wellington

Hon Gerry Brownlee (National, Ilam)

Real property
Property (section), Havelock, Marlborough
Residential property (beneficial interest), Marlborough Sounds
Residential properties, Ilam, Christchurch
Residential property, Bryndwr, Christchurch
Residential property, Fendalton, Christchurch

Rt Hon David Carter (National, List)

Real property
Farm property, Banks Peninsula
Farm property, North Canterbury
House, Marlborough Sounds
Apartment, Wellington

Dr David Clark (Labour, Dunedin North)

Real property
Family home (owned by Clearwater Trust), Opoho, Dunedin
Holiday home (owned jointly by Richard Clark Family Trust and Faye Clark Family Trust), Alexandra
Holiday home (owned jointly by Richard Clark Family Trust and Faye Clark Family Trust), Tairua

Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman (National, Northcote)

Real property
Residential property (owned by trust), North Shore, Auckland
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
House (owned by trust), Rodney

Hon Judith Collins (National, Papakura)

Real property
Family home (owned by trusts), Auckland
Beach property (owned by trusts), Auckland
Commercial and residential property (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington
Residential property (owned by superannuation scheme), Nelson

Hon Clayton Cosgrove (Labour, List)

Real property
Home, Christchurch
House, Auckland

Jacqui Dean (National, Waitaki)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Ōāmaru
Rented property (owned by superannuation scheme), Ōāmaru
Holiday home (jointly owned), Moeraki
Commercial office (owned by trust), Ōāmaru
Commercial office/flat (owned by trust), Ōāmaru
Apartment (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington

Catherine Delahunty (Green, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Thames, Coromandel
Flat (jointly owned), Point Chevalier, Auckland

Matt Doocey (National, Waimakariri)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Rangiora, North Canterbury
Rental property, Redwood, Christchurch
Residential property (owned by trust), Merivale, Christchurch

Hon Peter Dunne (United Future, Ōhariu)

Real property
Residential home (jointly owned), Khandallah, Wellington
Holiday home (jointly owned), Taupō

Hon Ruth Dyson (Labour, Port Hills)

Real property
Family home, Christchurch
Cottage, Akaroa

Hon Bill English (National, List)

Real property
Family home, Dipton
Farm (owned by Resolution Farms Limited), Dipton

Hon Craig Foss (National, Tukituki)

Real property
House, Waimārama
House, Aramoana
House, Havelock North
Apartment, Wellington

Hon Phil Goff (Labour, Mt Roskill)

Real property
Family home and farm property (jointly owned), Auckland
House (jointly owned), Mt Roskill
Holiday bach (jointly owned), Ōrere Point

Hon Paul Goldsmith (National, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Remuera
House (half share), Waitakere Ranges

Hon Jo Goodhew (National, Rangitata)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Timaru
Title to one-week timeshare (jointly owned), Wānaka
Rental property (jointly owned), Timaru
Apartment (owned by Aronui Superannuation Scheme), Wellington

Dr Kennedy Graham (Green, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Waiheke
Cottage, used as short-term rental (jointly owned), Waiheke
Apartment (jointly owned), Wellington

Hon Nathan Guy (National, Ōtaki)

Real property
Farmland, dwellings (x4) and buildings (owned by trusts), north of Levin
Family home (owned by trust), north of Levin
Bare section (jointly owned), Waitarere Beach
Rental property (owned by trust), Waikanae Beach
Rental property (owned by trust), Waitarere Beach
House (owned by trust), Thorndon, Wellington
Interests in commercial properties (x8) through Roof Above Head Superannuation Scheme’s investment in Te Waiiti Limited (Whangarei and Hastings), Volger Limited (Tauranga, Ngaruawahia, and Auckland), and Tahi Investments Limited (Auckland, Hamilton, and Porirua).

Kevin Hague (Green, List)

Real property
Family home, Greymouth
Holiday home (owned by trust), Hāhei,
Family home (owned by trust), Hamilton
Rental property (owned by company), Waiheke Island
Rental properties (x2, owned by company), Greymouth

Chris Hipkins (Labour, Rimutaka)

Real property
Residential property (owned by family trust), Trentham, Upper Hutt
Residential property (owned by superannuation trust), Raumati South, Paraparaumu

Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

Real property
Family home, Parnell, Auckland
Office, Huapai, Auckland
Holiday home, Omaha, Rodney
Holiday home, Maui, United States of America

Tutehounuku (Nuk) Korako (National, List)

Real property
Rental property (owned by trust), Rāpaki, Christchurch
Family home (owned by trust), Christchurch
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
Interests in blocks of Māori land in Stewart Island, Southland, Otago, West Coast, Marlborough, and Wairarapa
Vacant residential sections (x2), Lyttelton

Barbara Kuriger (National, Taranaki-King Country)

Real property
Family home (owned by LS & BJ Kuriger Trusts Partnership), New Plymouth
Family home (owned by LS & BJ Kuriger Trusts Partnership), Te Awamutu
Dairy farm (owned by Shortland Farm Limited Partnership), Ōpunake
Dairy farm (owned by Shortland Farm No 2 Limited Partnership), Ōpunake
Dairy farm grazing unit (joint leasehold), Ōpunake
Apartment (owned by LS & BJ Kuriger Trusts Partnership), Wellington

Melissa Lee (National, List)

Real property
Family home, Auckland
Rental property (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington

Iain Lees-Galloway (Labour, Palmerston North)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Terrace End, Palmerston North
Family home (owned by trust), Terrace End, Palmerston North
Rental property (owned by company), Wellington

Hon Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga (National, Maungakiekie)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Onehunga, Auckland
Apartment (owned by superannuation scheme), Central Wellington

Hon Nanaia Mahuta (Labour, Hauraki-Waikato)

Real property
Family home, Ngāruawāhia
Rental property, Hamilton

Hon Trevor Mallard (Labour, Hutt South)

Real property
Home, Wainuiōmata
Rental property (jointly owned), Dunedin

Ron Mark (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Carterton, Wairarapa
Numerous blocks of Māori land in Te Waipounamou, Tākitimu, Aotea, Waiariki, and Tairāwhiti
Bare land (leasehold interest), McLeans Island, Christchurch
Apartment, Petone, Wellington

Mojo Mathers (Green, List)

Real property
Home, Peel Forest Village, Canterbury, New Zealand
Holiday home, Peel Forest Village, Canterbury, New Zealand
Lamledra house (owned by trust), Gorran Haven, Cornwall, United Kingdom

Hon Todd McClay (National, Rotorua)

Real property
Family homes (x2, owned by trust), Rotorua
Holiday home (owned by trust), Pukehina
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
House (jointly owned), Belgium

Hon Murray McCully (National, East Coast Bays)

Real property
Holiday home (owned by trust), Whangarei District
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
Land (owned by trust), Rodney District
Residential property (joint ownership), Far North District

Ian McKelvie (National, Rangitīkei)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Whareroa, Taupō
Farm land (owned by various entities), Manawatū
Commercial property, Palmerston North
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington

Clayton Mitchell (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Mt Maunganui
Family home (owned by trust), Maungatapu
Family home (owned by trust), Pyes Pa
Investment property (owned by trust), Greerton
Block of shops (owned by trust), Napier
Commercial building (owned by trust), Napier

Mark Mitchell (National, Rodney)

Real property
Family home, Ōrewa, Auckland
Apartment, Thorndon, Wellington
Rental property (commercial), Pukekohe, Auckland

Sue Moroney (Labour, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Waikato
Rental property (jointly owned), Waikato
Apartment (jointly owned), Wellington
Holiday home (jointly owned), Coromandel

Stuart Nash (Labour, Napier)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Napier
Small commercial building (owned by trust), Napier
Apartment block (owned by private superannuation trust), Napier

Jono Naylor (National, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Milson, Palmerston North
Rental property (jointly owned), Kelvin Grove, Palmerston North
Rental property (jointly owned), Roslyn, Palmerston North

Hon Damien O'Connor (Labour, West Coast-Tasman)

Real property
Family home, Upper Moutere
Farm land, Westport

Denis O'Rourke (NZ First, List)

Real property
House, Christchurch
Apartment, Wellington

Pita Paraone (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Howick, Auckland
Māori land (multiple owners), Ngatihine H2B Block, Bay of Islands

Hon Hekia Parata (National, List)

Real property
Rental house, Titahi Bay
Family apartment, Wellington CBD
Ngamoe block, Ruatōria, East Coast

Hon David Parker (Labour, List)

Real property
Home, Dunedin
Holiday home, Karitane, Otago
Investment property (owned in partnership), Alexandra, Otago

Dr Parmjeet Parmar (National, List)

Real property
Rental property (jointly owned), Remuera, Auckland
Rental property (jointly owned), Half Moon Bay, Auckland
Commercial property (jointly owned), Mt Wellington, Auckland
Family home (owned by trust), Eastern Beach, Auckland
Rental property (owned by Ninian Holdings Limited), Manurewa, Auckland
Rental property (owned by Nanak Deep Investment Limited), Bucklands Beach, Auckland
Commercial and residential property (owned by R P & M Parmar Partnership), Flat Bush, Auckland

Rt Hon Winston Peters (NZ First, Northland)

Real property
House, St Marys Bay, Auckland
House, Whananaki South, Northland
Land, Whananaki South, Northland

Maureen Pugh (National, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Turiwhate, West Coast
Farm (jointly owned), Turiwhate, West Coast
Rental property (jointly owned), Gold Coast, Australia

Shane Reti (National, Whangarei)

Real property
Commercial building, Whangarei
Rental property, Kohimārama, Auckland
Residential property, Whangarei

Jami-Lee Ross (National, Botany)

Real property
Townhouse, Dannemora, Auckland
House, Dannemora, Auckland
Apartment, Wellington CBD

Adrian Rurawhe (Labour, Te Tai Hauāuru)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Whangaehu
Interests in 26 Māori land blocks in the Aotea district
Interest in 1 Māori land block in the Tai Tokerau district
Interests in 2 Māori land blocks in the Tākitimu district
Interests in 11 Māori land blocks in the Te Waipounamu district
Interests in Waipū General Land Block, Rātana Paa

Eugenie Sage (Green, List)

Real property

Family home (jointly owned through Barcola Limited), Diamond Harbour, Christchurch
Vacant residential section (jointly owned through Barcola Limited), Beckenham, Christchurch
Rural land block (jointly owned), Buller, West Coast

Jenny Salesa (Labour, Manukau East)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Auckland
Rental property (owned by Praescient Limited), Auckland
Two acres of land (owned by 99-year lease), Haveluloto, Tonga

Alastair Scott (National, Wairarapa)

Real property
Family home, Kelburn, Wellington
Vineyard land (including house and winery buildings), Masterton
Beach property, Ōhope, Whakatāne

David Shearer (Labour, Mt Albert)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Pt Chevalier, Auckland
Rental property (owned by trust), Avondale, Auckland
Jointly owned section and house (owned by trust), Whananaki

Scott Simpson (National, Coromandel)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Thames
Rental property (owned by trust), Remuera, Auckland
Family home (owned by trust), Kuaōtunu, Coromandel
Land (owned by New Chums Trust), Whangapoua, Coromandel
Apartment (jointly owned by trust), Wellington

Su’a William Sio (Labour, Māngere)

Real property
House, Ōtara, Manukau
Relative’s house, Manurewa, Manukau
House, Māngere Bridge, Manukau

Stuart Smith (National, Kaikōura)

Real property
Family home (owned by the Tayler-Smith Family Trust), Blenheim
Apartment (owned by the Tayler-Smith Family Trust), Wellington

Barbara Stewart (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Fencourt, Cambridge
Home (owned by RA Peach Estate Family Trust), Ōkiato

Fletcher Tabuteau (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Hamurana, Rotorua
Apartment (jointly owned), Thorndon, Wellington

Rino Tirikatene (Labour, Te Tai Tonga)

Real property
Vacant land (no dwelling), Rātana Paa
Interests in various South Island Māori land blocks, North Canterbury, West Coast, South Westland, and Southland

Lindsay Tisch (National, Waikato)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Matamata
Apartment, Wellington
Apartment, Mt Maunganui
Interest in time share apartment, Lake Rotoiti

Hon Anne Tolley (National, East Coast)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Ōhope
Rental property (jointly owned), Gisborne
Shops (x4, jointly owned), Napier
Apartment (owned by superannuation trust), Wellington
House (owned by Ronnix Family Trust), Napier

Metiria Turei (Green, List)

Real property
House (jointly owned), Dunedin
Castle (jointly owned), Dunedin

Hon Nicky Wagner (National, Christchurch Central)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Christchurch
Apartment (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington
Commercial property (jointly owned), Christchurch
Commercial property (jointly owned), Christchurch
Holiday home (owned by trust), Picton

Louisa Wall (Labour, Manurewa)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Manurewa, Auckland
Whānau home (jointly owned), Taupō
Rental property (jointly owned), Tūrangi

Meka Whaitiri (Labour, Ikaroa-Rāwhiti)

Real property
Family home, Whakatū, Hastings
Land interests in Gisborne, Hastings, and Himatangi

Poto Williams (Labour, Christchurch East)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Waimairi Beach, Christchurch
Apartment, Wellington
Blocks of land on Rarotonga and Manihiki, Cook Islands

Hon Maurice Williamson (National, Pakuranga)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Pakuranga
Holiday home (jointly owned), Pāuanui

Hon Michael Woodhouse (National, List)

Real property
Family home, Anderson Bay, Dunedin
Holiday home, Cromwell, Central Otago
Apartment, Thorndon, Wellington

Dr Jian Yang (National, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Auckland
Rental property (x3, owned by Jinjan Limited), Auckland

Jonathan Young (National, New Plymouth)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), New Plymouth
Rental property (owned by trust), Paihia
Rental property (owned by trust), Auckland
Rental property (owned by trust), Wellington

[sidecar bob]

Thats because all the overseas investors have sold their poxy bonds and bought <s> tulips </s>Auckland Houses..... 12% year after year :woohoo:

Property seems popular with these guys as an investment:laugh:

And why not, negative geared, easy to borrow on, tax deductable, no capital gains.

Hon Amy Adams (National, Selwyn)

Real property
Farm property (owned by trust), Aylesbury
Bare land (owned by trust), Darfield
Bare land (owned by trust), Te Kauwhata
Commercial property (owned by trust), Templeton
Commercial property (owned by trust), Temuka
Vacant section (owned by trust), Cromwell
Residential property (owned by trust), West Melton

Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi (National, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by Bakshi Family Trust), Auckland
Investment properties (x2, owned by Kautha Trust), Auckland
Investment property (jointly held in partnership), Auckland
Investment property (owned by Bakshi Superannuation Scheme), Auckland

Hon Maggie Barry (National, North Shore)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Stanley Point, Auckland
Half share of an apartment (owned by trust), Wellington

Andrew Bayly (National, Hunua)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Karaka
Farm (owned by trust), Tuakau
Bare subdivision, Bombay, Auckland
Share of house (owned by trust), Tauranga

David Bennett (National, Hamilton East)

Real property
Dairy farms (x3), Te Awamutu
Residential property, Hamilton

Hon Paula Bennett (National, Upper Harbour)

Real property
Townhouse, Mt Eden, Auckland
House, Ōrātia, Auckland
House (jointly owned), Sunnyvale, Auckland
House (jointly owned), Henderson, Auckland

Mahesh Bindra (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home, Hillsborough, Auckland
Rental property, Hillsborough, Auckland

Chris Bishop (National, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Petone, Lower Hutt
Rental property, Grey Lynn, Auckland

Hon Chester Borrows (National, Whanganui)

Real property
Family home (owned by superannuation scheme), Hāwera
Rental property (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington

Hon Simon Bridges (National, Tauranga)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Matua, Tauranga
Apartment (in St Catherines Superannuation Scheme), Parnell, Auckland
Apartment (in St Catherines Superannuation Scheme), Central Wellington

Hon Gerry Brownlee (National, Ilam)

Real property
Property (section), Havelock, Marlborough
Residential property (beneficial interest), Marlborough Sounds
Residential properties, Ilam, Christchurch
Residential property, Bryndwr, Christchurch
Residential property, Fendalton, Christchurch

Rt Hon David Carter (National, List)

Real property
Farm property, Banks Peninsula
Farm property, North Canterbury
House, Marlborough Sounds
Apartment, Wellington

Dr David Clark (Labour, Dunedin North)

Real property
Family home (owned by Clearwater Trust), Opoho, Dunedin
Holiday home (owned jointly by Richard Clark Family Trust and Faye Clark Family Trust), Alexandra
Holiday home (owned jointly by Richard Clark Family Trust and Faye Clark Family Trust), Tairua

Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman (National, Northcote)

Real property
Residential property (owned by trust), North Shore, Auckland
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
House (owned by trust), Rodney

Hon Judith Collins (National, Papakura)

Real property
Family home (owned by trusts), Auckland
Beach property (owned by trusts), Auckland
Commercial and residential property (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington
Residential property (owned by superannuation scheme), Nelson

Hon Clayton Cosgrove (Labour, List)

Real property
Home, Christchurch
House, Auckland

Jacqui Dean (National, Waitaki)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Ōāmaru
Rented property (owned by superannuation scheme), Ōāmaru
Holiday home (jointly owned), Moeraki
Commercial office (owned by trust), Ōāmaru
Commercial office/flat (owned by trust), Ōāmaru
Apartment (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington

Catherine Delahunty (Green, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Thames, Coromandel
Flat (jointly owned), Point Chevalier, Auckland

Matt Doocey (National, Waimakariri)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Rangiora, North Canterbury
Rental property, Redwood, Christchurch
Residential property (owned by trust), Merivale, Christchurch

Hon Peter Dunne (United Future, Ōhariu)

Real property
Residential home (jointly owned), Khandallah, Wellington
Holiday home (jointly owned), Taupō

Hon Ruth Dyson (Labour, Port Hills)

Real property
Family home, Christchurch
Cottage, Akaroa

Hon Bill English (National, List)

Real property
Family home, Dipton
Farm (owned by Resolution Farms Limited), Dipton

Hon Craig Foss (National, Tukituki)

Real property
House, Waimārama
House, Aramoana
House, Havelock North
Apartment, Wellington

Hon Phil Goff (Labour, Mt Roskill)

Real property
Family home and farm property (jointly owned), Auckland
House (jointly owned), Mt Roskill
Holiday bach (jointly owned), Ōrere Point

Hon Paul Goldsmith (National, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Remuera
House (half share), Waitakere Ranges

Hon Jo Goodhew (National, Rangitata)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Timaru
Title to one-week timeshare (jointly owned), Wānaka
Rental property (jointly owned), Timaru
Apartment (owned by Aronui Superannuation Scheme), Wellington

Dr Kennedy Graham (Green, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Waiheke
Cottage, used as short-term rental (jointly owned), Waiheke
Apartment (jointly owned), Wellington

Hon Nathan Guy (National, Ōtaki)

Real property
Farmland, dwellings (x4) and buildings (owned by trusts), north of Levin
Family home (owned by trust), north of Levin
Bare section (jointly owned), Waitarere Beach
Rental property (owned by trust), Waikanae Beach
Rental property (owned by trust), Waitarere Beach
House (owned by trust), Thorndon, Wellington
Interests in commercial properties (x8) through Roof Above Head Superannuation Scheme’s investment in Te Waiiti Limited (Whangarei and Hastings), Volger Limited (Tauranga, Ngaruawahia, and Auckland), and Tahi Investments Limited (Auckland, Hamilton, and Porirua).

Kevin Hague (Green, List)

Real property
Family home, Greymouth
Holiday home (owned by trust), Hāhei,
Family home (owned by trust), Hamilton
Rental property (owned by company), Waiheke Island
Rental properties (x2, owned by company), Greymouth

Chris Hipkins (Labour, Rimutaka)

Real property
Residential property (owned by family trust), Trentham, Upper Hutt
Residential property (owned by superannuation trust), Raumati South, Paraparaumu

Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

Real property
Family home, Parnell, Auckland
Office, Huapai, Auckland
Holiday home, Omaha, Rodney
Holiday home, Maui, United States of America

Tutehounuku (Nuk) Korako (National, List)

Real property
Rental property (owned by trust), Rāpaki, Christchurch
Family home (owned by trust), Christchurch
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
Interests in blocks of Māori land in Stewart Island, Southland, Otago, West Coast, Marlborough, and Wairarapa
Vacant residential sections (x2), Lyttelton

Barbara Kuriger (National, Taranaki-King Country)

Real property
Family home (owned by LS & BJ Kuriger Trusts Partnership), New Plymouth
Family home (owned by LS & BJ Kuriger Trusts Partnership), Te Awamutu
Dairy farm (owned by Shortland Farm Limited Partnership), Ōpunake
Dairy farm (owned by Shortland Farm No 2 Limited Partnership), Ōpunake
Dairy farm grazing unit (joint leasehold), Ōpunake
Apartment (owned by LS & BJ Kuriger Trusts Partnership), Wellington

Melissa Lee (National, List)

Real property
Family home, Auckland
Rental property (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington

Iain Lees-Galloway (Labour, Palmerston North)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Terrace End, Palmerston North
Family home (owned by trust), Terrace End, Palmerston North
Rental property (owned by company), Wellington

Hon Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga (National, Maungakiekie)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Onehunga, Auckland
Apartment (owned by superannuation scheme), Central Wellington

Hon Nanaia Mahuta (Labour, Hauraki-Waikato)

Real property
Family home, Ngāruawāhia
Rental property, Hamilton

Hon Trevor Mallard (Labour, Hutt South)

Real property
Home, Wainuiōmata
Rental property (jointly owned), Dunedin

Ron Mark (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Carterton, Wairarapa
Numerous blocks of Māori land in Te Waipounamou, Tākitimu, Aotea, Waiariki, and Tairāwhiti
Bare land (leasehold interest), McLeans Island, Christchurch
Apartment, Petone, Wellington

Mojo Mathers (Green, List)

Real property
Home, Peel Forest Village, Canterbury, New Zealand
Holiday home, Peel Forest Village, Canterbury, New Zealand
Lamledra house (owned by trust), Gorran Haven, Cornwall, United Kingdom

Hon Todd McClay (National, Rotorua)

Real property
Family homes (x2, owned by trust), Rotorua
Holiday home (owned by trust), Pukehina
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
House (jointly owned), Belgium

Hon Murray McCully (National, East Coast Bays)

Real property
Holiday home (owned by trust), Whangarei District
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington
Land (owned by trust), Rodney District
Residential property (joint ownership), Far North District

Ian McKelvie (National, Rangitīkei)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Whareroa, Taupō
Farm land (owned by various entities), Manawatū
Commercial property, Palmerston North
Apartment (owned by trust), Wellington

Clayton Mitchell (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Mt Maunganui
Family home (owned by trust), Maungatapu
Family home (owned by trust), Pyes Pa
Investment property (owned by trust), Greerton
Block of shops (owned by trust), Napier
Commercial building (owned by trust), Napier

Mark Mitchell (National, Rodney)

Real property
Family home, Ōrewa, Auckland
Apartment, Thorndon, Wellington
Rental property (commercial), Pukekohe, Auckland

Sue Moroney (Labour, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Waikato
Rental property (jointly owned), Waikato
Apartment (jointly owned), Wellington
Holiday home (jointly owned), Coromandel

Stuart Nash (Labour, Napier)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Napier
Small commercial building (owned by trust), Napier
Apartment block (owned by private superannuation trust), Napier

Jono Naylor (National, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Milson, Palmerston North
Rental property (jointly owned), Kelvin Grove, Palmerston North
Rental property (jointly owned), Roslyn, Palmerston North

Hon Damien O'Connor (Labour, West Coast-Tasman)

Real property
Family home, Upper Moutere
Farm land, Westport

Denis O'Rourke (NZ First, List)

Real property
House, Christchurch
Apartment, Wellington

Pita Paraone (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Howick, Auckland
Māori land (multiple owners), Ngatihine H2B Block, Bay of Islands

Hon Hekia Parata (National, List)

Real property
Rental house, Titahi Bay
Family apartment, Wellington CBD
Ngamoe block, Ruatōria, East Coast

Hon David Parker (Labour, List)

Real property
Home, Dunedin
Holiday home, Karitane, Otago
Investment property (owned in partnership), Alexandra, Otago

Dr Parmjeet Parmar (National, List)

Real property
Rental property (jointly owned), Remuera, Auckland
Rental property (jointly owned), Half Moon Bay, Auckland
Commercial property (jointly owned), Mt Wellington, Auckland
Family home (owned by trust), Eastern Beach, Auckland
Rental property (owned by Ninian Holdings Limited), Manurewa, Auckland
Rental property (owned by Nanak Deep Investment Limited), Bucklands Beach, Auckland
Commercial and residential property (owned by R P & M Parmar Partnership), Flat Bush, Auckland

Rt Hon Winston Peters (NZ First, Northland)

Real property
House, St Marys Bay, Auckland
House, Whananaki South, Northland
Land, Whananaki South, Northland

Maureen Pugh (National, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Turiwhate, West Coast
Farm (jointly owned), Turiwhate, West Coast
Rental property (jointly owned), Gold Coast, Australia

Shane Reti (National, Whangarei)

Real property
Commercial building, Whangarei
Rental property, Kohimārama, Auckland
Residential property, Whangarei

Jami-Lee Ross (National, Botany)

Real property
Townhouse, Dannemora, Auckland
House, Dannemora, Auckland
Apartment, Wellington CBD

Adrian Rurawhe (Labour, Te Tai Hauāuru)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Whangaehu
Interests in 26 Māori land blocks in the Aotea district
Interest in 1 Māori land block in the Tai Tokerau district
Interests in 2 Māori land blocks in the Tākitimu district
Interests in 11 Māori land blocks in the Te Waipounamu district
Interests in Waipū General Land Block, Rātana Paa

Eugenie Sage (Green, List)

Real property

Family home (jointly owned through Barcola Limited), Diamond Harbour, Christchurch
Vacant residential section (jointly owned through Barcola Limited), Beckenham, Christchurch
Rural land block (jointly owned), Buller, West Coast

Jenny Salesa (Labour, Manukau East)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Auckland
Rental property (owned by Praescient Limited), Auckland
Two acres of land (owned by 99-year lease), Haveluloto, Tonga

Alastair Scott (National, Wairarapa)

Real property
Family home, Kelburn, Wellington
Vineyard land (including house and winery buildings), Masterton
Beach property, Ōhope, Whakatāne

David Shearer (Labour, Mt Albert)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Pt Chevalier, Auckland
Rental property (owned by trust), Avondale, Auckland
Jointly owned section and house (owned by trust), Whananaki

Scott Simpson (National, Coromandel)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Thames
Rental property (owned by trust), Remuera, Auckland
Family home (owned by trust), Kuaōtunu, Coromandel
Land (owned by New Chums Trust), Whangapoua, Coromandel
Apartment (jointly owned by trust), Wellington

Su’a William Sio (Labour, Māngere)

Real property
House, Ōtara, Manukau
Relative’s house, Manurewa, Manukau
House, Māngere Bridge, Manukau

Stuart Smith (National, Kaikōura)

Real property
Family home (owned by the Tayler-Smith Family Trust), Blenheim
Apartment (owned by the Tayler-Smith Family Trust), Wellington

Barbara Stewart (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Fencourt, Cambridge
Home (owned by RA Peach Estate Family Trust), Ōkiato

Fletcher Tabuteau (NZ First, List)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Hamurana, Rotorua
Apartment (jointly owned), Thorndon, Wellington

Rino Tirikatene (Labour, Te Tai Tonga)

Real property
Vacant land (no dwelling), Rātana Paa
Interests in various South Island Māori land blocks, North Canterbury, West Coast, South Westland, and Southland

Lindsay Tisch (National, Waikato)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Matamata
Apartment, Wellington
Apartment, Mt Maunganui
Interest in time share apartment, Lake Rotoiti

Hon Anne Tolley (National, East Coast)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Ōhope
Rental property (jointly owned), Gisborne
Shops (x4, jointly owned), Napier
Apartment (owned by superannuation trust), Wellington
House (owned by Ronnix Family Trust), Napier

Metiria Turei (Green, List)

Real property
House (jointly owned), Dunedin
Castle (jointly owned), Dunedin

Hon Nicky Wagner (National, Christchurch Central)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Christchurch
Apartment (owned by superannuation scheme), Wellington
Commercial property (jointly owned), Christchurch
Commercial property (jointly owned), Christchurch
Holiday home (owned by trust), Picton

Louisa Wall (Labour, Manurewa)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Manurewa, Auckland
Whānau home (jointly owned), Taupō
Rental property (jointly owned), Tūrangi

Meka Whaitiri (Labour, Ikaroa-Rāwhiti)

Real property
Family home, Whakatū, Hastings
Land interests in Gisborne, Hastings, and Himatangi

Poto Williams (Labour, Christchurch East)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Waimairi Beach, Christchurch
Apartment, Wellington
Blocks of land on Rarotonga and Manihiki, Cook Islands

Hon Maurice Williamson (National, Pakuranga)

Real property
Family home (jointly owned), Pakuranga
Holiday home (jointly owned), Pāuanui

Hon Michael Woodhouse (National, List)

Real property
Family home, Anderson Bay, Dunedin
Holiday home, Cromwell, Central Otago
Apartment, Thorndon, Wellington

Dr Jian Yang (National, List)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), Auckland
Rental property (x3, owned by Jinjan Limited), Auckland

Jonathan Young (National, New Plymouth)

Real property
Family home (owned by trust), New Plymouth
Rental property (owned by trust), Paihia
Rental property (owned by trust), Auckland
Rental property (owned by trust), Wellington

Do you think that if the same information was available for Doctors, Lawyers, Airline Pilots & Dentists that it would read much differently?

[Voltaire]

Do you think that if the same information was available for Doctors, Lawyers, Airline Pilots & Dentists that it would read much differently?

They earn their money.

Interesting one was Winston Peters

bit of contrast...
Rt Hon Winston Peters (NZ First, Northland)

Real property
House, St Marys Bay, Auckland
House, Whananaki South, Northland
Land, Whananaki South, Northland

Next time your heading North over the Harbour Bridge and wonder who owns that big house its..
https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1322826432/787/6079787.jpg

Long way from the houses of his Electorate..

Still...the only Bread Line I get in these days is for the cabitia or Bretzels:msn-wink:

[Ocean1]

Property seems popular with these guys as an investment:laugh:

And why not, negative geared, easy to borrow on, tax deductable, no capital gains.

Where does it say what the borrowings are for those properties to be geared negatively?

What's the problem with deducting costs? It's consistent with every other business practice.

And what justification is there for a capital gains tax? "Cause everyone else does it?

[sidecar bob]

They earn their money.

Interesting one was Winston Peters

bit of contrast...
Rt Hon Winston Peters (NZ First, Northland)

Real property
House, St Marys Bay, Auckland
House, Whananaki South, Northland
Land, Whananaki South, Northland

Next time your heading North over the Harbour Bridge and wonder who owns that big house its..
Long way from the houses of his Electorate..

Still...the only Bread Line I get in these days is for the cabitia or Bretzels:msn-wink:

Yeah, I was a bit crushed that Winnie doesn't own any property in Tauranga, he lived there once & it would be providing a tidy return now if he had hung in there.
But I'm trying to work out how them investing in property is noteworthy.
They are helping to ease the rental shortage by providing rental housing & seriously, short of gambling on the sharemarkets, what else is left for the sensible investor?
They're probably a bit too smart to get duped by this kind of shit http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11008524 although I knew a couple of stoners that lost their inheritance in that one.

[Madness]

Yeah, I was a bit crushed that Winnie doesn't own any property in Tauranga.

Smart man, Winnie. Tauranga's a shit hole full of P heads.

[Voltaire]

Yeah, I was a bit crushed that Winnie doesn't own any property in Tauranga, he lived there once & it would be providing a tidy return now if he had hung in there.
But I'm trying to work out how them investing in property is noteworthy.
They are helping to ease the rental shortage by providing rental housing & seriously, short of gambling on the sharemarkets, what else is left for the sensible investor?
They're probably a bit too smart to get duped by this kind of shit http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11008524 although I knew a couple of stoners that lost their inheritance in that one.

It cold wet and miserable.... just joining in the spirit of the thread :laugh:

I've got a few $ in shares....some go up, some go down, interesting to watch. Auckland Airport ones have gone up 65% in the last 12 months..... up over......$350 on it :laugh:.....unfortunately the Air New Zealand ones have neutralised that.:facepalm:

[mashman]

Where does it say what the borrowings are for those properties to be geared negatively?

What's the problem with deducting costs? It's consistent with every other business practice.

And what justification is there for a capital gains tax? "Cause everyone else does it?

Coz everyone is trying to limit their tax liability :laugh:

[Brian d marge]

Yeah, I was a bit crushed that Winnie doesn't own any property in Tauranga, he lived there once & it would be providing a tidy return now if he had hung in there.
But I'm trying to work out how them investing in property is noteworthy.
They are helping to ease the rental shortage by providing rental housing & seriously, short of gambling on the sharemarkets, what else is left for the sensible investor?
They're probably a bit too smart to get duped by this kind of shit http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11008524 although I knew a couple of stoners that lost their inheritance in that one.
Physical gold and silver .. imho


sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Coz everyone is trying to limit their tax liability :laugh:

Which is relevant how?

Tax on income is fine, within reason. Why should anyone be expected to pay tax on expenditure? It's a bizarre concept.

[Voltaire]

Would be interesting to see what other investments other than property the MP's have.

They are always banging on about Kiwis love affair with property and not investing in income producing stuff....

[sidecar bob]

Would be interesting to see what other investments other than property the MP's have.

They are always banging on about Kiwis love affair with property and not investing in income producing stuff....

Well id definitely say that John has a fairly substantial share portfolio given his former employment.

[mashman]

Which is relevant how?

Tax on income is fine, within reason. Why should anyone be expected to pay tax on expenditure? It's a bizarre concept.

So capital gains isn't income. Gotcha.

A capital gains tax is required because common business practice is to deduct costs. So the govt gets less funding and has to borrow/levy to make up the shortfall blah blah blah. My understanding is that capital gains only comes into play when the property is sold and when money is made on the sale. Tax loopholes/exemptions are bizarre concepts.

[Banditbandit]

Do you think that if the same information was available for Doctors, Lawyers, Airline Pilots & Dentists that it would read much differently?

The point would seem to be that these people are part of the property investors group .. and therefore have vested interests .. they are completely biased towards having an increasing property market as the benefit personally and directly ..

If National increases the supply of houses, then prices will not increase as fast, maybe even drop, directly impacting on these MPs ability to make money ..

Anywhere else this would be called a "conflict of interest" and they would be disqualified from making decisions on the housing market ..

[sidecar bob]

The point would seem to be that these people are the property investors ..

Id hazard a guess that most of their voters are property owners/investors too, so maybe they are also interested in that as well, rightly or wrongly.

[Voltaire]

The point would seem to be that these people are part of the property investors group .. and therefore have vested interests .. they are completely biased towards having an increasing property market as the benefit personally and directly ..

If National increases the supply of houses, then prices will not increase as fast, maybe even drop, directly impacting on these MPs ability to make money ..

Anywhere else this would be called a "conflict of interest" and they would be disqualified from making decisions on the housing market ..

Speaking of decisions on the housing market....Seeing Nick the Prick former know nothing of ACC fame coming up here and telling us about housing makes my blood simmer.

Mind you as nice a bloke as that Andy Little is who does he think is going to build all his houses? There are no Tradies out there....other than the ones on The Block.

[Ocean1]

So capital gains isn't income. Gotcha.

A capital gains tax is required because common business practice is to deduct costs. So the govt gets less funding and has to borrow/levy to make up the shortfall blah blah blah. My understanding is that capital gains only comes into play when the property is sold and when money is made on the sale. Tax loopholes/exemptions are bizarre concepts.

You implied that deducting costs was bad, "Coz everyone tries to limit their tax liability" wasn't it?

And some capital gains tax might be income, but some of its going to be inflation, who gets to define what's what?

In that case I require huge tax rebates, 'cause the govt taxes me therefor I get less funding and have to borrow to make up the shortfall.

[Ocean1]

The point would seem to be that these people are part of the property investors group .. and therefore have vested interests .. they are completely biased towards having an increasing property market as the benefit personally and directly ..

If National increases the supply of houses, then prices will not increase as fast, maybe even drop, directly impacting on these MPs ability to make money ..

Anywhere else this would be called a "conflict of interest" and they would be disqualified from making decisions on the housing market ..

And the fact that the cost of all those new houses required to drag the market price down would bankrupt the country is beside the point eh?


Oh, and the only governments that fuck with markets to make shit cheaper for people who can't afford it are socialist states. Long since failed and dead ones.

[Woodman]

And the fact that the cost of all those new houses required to drag the market price down would bankrupt the country is beside the point eh?


Oh, and the only governments that fuck with markets to make shit cheaper for people who can't afford it are socialist states. Long since failed and dead ones.

Well said that man.

[mashman]

You implied that deducting costs was bad, "Coz everyone tries to limit their tax liability" wasn't it?

And some capital gains tax might be income, but some of its going to be inflation, who gets to define what's what?

In that case I require huge tax rebates, 'cause the govt taxes me therefor I get less funding and have to borrow to make up the shortfall.

Ahhhh the catch-22 of it all.

[avgas]

Do you think that if the same information was available for Doctors, Lawyers, Airline Pilots & Dentists that it would read much differently?
Nah. But if I ever get tooth ache, need to go over seas, get sued or get sick I might need them.

When do I need a politician? In case ISIS invade?
Oh I know. For that one time I forget my motorbike helmet, crash, get brain damage - and no longer can operate my own decision process.
But if that was the only case I get a politician, I might ask for DNR.

Sadly the reality is that I will always get one. If I need it or not.
Imagine always paying for the doctor, the lawyer, the airline pilot the dentist. Even if you never used them.

[avgas]

I tried telling inland revenue I was poor ..

They showed me a neat trick with a stone

sent for a divine source
How was the soup?

[avgas]

Yeah, I was a bit crushed that Winnie doesn't own any property in Tauranga, he lived there once & it would be providing a tidy return now if he had hung in there.
But I'm trying to work out how them investing in property is noteworthy.
They are helping to ease the rental shortage by providing rental housing & seriously, short of gambling on the sharemarkets, what else is left for the sensible investor?
They're probably a bit too smart to get duped by this kind of shit http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11008524 although I knew a couple of stoners that lost their inheritance in that one.

He still has 2 or 3 properties down there. They just probably don't appear under his name anymore...... because he is smart.

[Brian d marge]

How was the soup?
Hahaha your mother tried that old trick as well
I knew it wouldnt add flavour...

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

He still has 2 or 3 properties down there. They just probably don't appear under his name anymore...... because he is smart.
I have done the same
I have 2 properties in remuera under 2 different names
Unfortunately they have been squatted by some rich fkers . But come the revolution .....

sent for a divine source

[sidecar bob]

Nah. But if I ever get tooth ache, need to go over seas, get sued or get sick I might need them.

When do I need a politician? In case ISIS invade?
Oh I know. For that one time I forget my motorbike helmet, crash, get brain damage - and no longer can operate my own decision process.
But if that was the only case I get a politician, I might ask for DNR.

Sadly the reality is that I will always get one. If I need it or not.
Imagine always paying for the doctor, the lawyer, the airline pilot the dentist. Even if you never used them.

Or for the time you need ACC, free healthcare, free education, state housing, a maintained roading network, huge payouts for Iwi, a defence force to protect your country, a police force to protect your neighbourhood. But I'm no expert.

[Banditbandit]

And the fact that the cost of all those new houses required to drag the market price down would bankrupt the country is beside the point eh?

How do you figure that?

The Government is not requiring HNZ to pay the $92million dividend over the next two years, but put it back into housing.

At a modest $400,000 to build a small home, that 92million will build 230 homes ... sell them to people and use that money to build more ... sell them, put the money into more new houses ...

With this kind of approach the houses could be sold at cost price - no profit - thus reducing the price on the market of these particular homes. The buiolders all get paid (people earn money), new owners get homes at affordable prices ... reducing homelessness ... the Government look like the good guys ... a win all round

The investment money remains in the system, not requiring any new money at all ... I agree that dumping enough new homes on the market to drag down the market price would bankrupt the country - no-one has ever suggested that was the approach.



Oh, and the only governments that fuck with markets to make shit cheaper for people who can't afford it are socialist states. Long since failed and dead ones.

So you are happy to be a "free market" state with the consequence of having homeless people in Godzone?

And isn't keeping prices of consumable goods what the current Government claims it is doing? Ensuring that consumers have access to cheaper goods?

[bogan]

How do you figure that?

The Government is not requiring HNZ to pay the $92million dividend over the next two years, but put it back into housing.

At a modest $400,000 to build a small home, that 92million will build 230 homes ... sell them to people and use that money to build more ... sell them, put the money into more new houses ...

With this kind of approach the houses could be sold at cost price - no profit - thus reducing the price on the market of these particular homes. The buiolders all get paid (people earn money), new owners get homes at affordable prices ... reducing homelessness ... the Government look like the good guys ... a win all round

The investment money remains in the system, not requiring any new money at all ... I agree that dumping enough new homes on the market to drag down the market price would bankrupt the country - no-one has ever suggested that was the approach.




So you are happy to be a "free market" state with the consequence of having homeless people in Godzone?

And isn't keeping prices of consumable goods what the current Government claims it is doing? Ensuring that consumers have access to cheaper goods?

New owners getting homes at affordable prices isn't going to reduce homelessness. Since homeless people don't have enough cash to rent, how the fuck are they going to buy?

Selling at cost will just end up with some private investment company getting fucking cheap houses.

Oh, and it's homeless in Auckland; hardly Godzone.

Houses aren't consumable goods, rent arguably is though.

[Woodman]

New owners getting homes at affordable prices isn't going to reduce homelessness. Since homeless people don't have enough cash to rent, how the fuck are they going to buy?

Selling at cost will just end up with some private investment company getting fucking cheap houses.

Oh, and it's homeless in Auckland; hardly Godzone.

Houses aren't consumable goods, rent arguably is though.

Yeah and putting more cheap houses out there will reduce what landlords/investors can charge for rental. Will the gummint reimburse somehow the landlords for their losses due to their meddling in the housing market?

[Ocean1]

How do you figure that?

The Government is not requiring HNZ to pay the $92million dividend over the next two years, but put it back into housing.

At a modest $400,000 to build a small home, that 92million will build 230 homes ... sell them to people and use that money to build more ... sell them, put the money into more new houses ...

With this kind of approach the houses could be sold at cost price - no profit - thus reducing the price on the market of these particular homes. The buiolders all get paid (people earn money), new owners get homes at affordable prices ... reducing homelessness ... the Government look like the good guys ... a win all round

The investment money remains in the system, not requiring any new money at all ... I agree that dumping enough new homes on the market to drag down the market price would bankrupt the country - no-one has ever suggested that was the approach.

I'm afraid this:


If National increases the supply of houses, then prices will not increase as fast, maybe even drop, directly impacting on these MPs ability to make money ..

Is very much suggesting dumping enough now homes on the market to bankrupt the country.



So you are happy to be a "free market" state with the consequence of having homeless people in Godzone?

First: there's no such thing as a functional market that doesn't allow buyers and sellers to agree prices without someone else taking an unearned cut.

Secondly a free market in no way disallows charity. Which is what someone else paying for homes for those that can't afford them actually is. So the event of homeless has nothing to do with a free market.

Thirdly, if you want the only marginally homeless people to buy their own homes then you might look at making them more affordable. This is the opposite of what's been happening for several decades now, with protected materials suppliers, (just dying for a dose of free market here), bleeding heart fuckwits demanding increasingly unaffordable standards compliance costs and protected developers and monopoly regional councils punching the ticket way, way beyond the real cost of supply. Make 90sq meter houses on sections priced at maybe only twice the cost to supply and I promise you house prices would halve overnight.

The terminable, irrevocably homeless you'll never tempt into working hard enough to own much of anything, they're a lost cause.


And isn't keeping prices of consumable goods what the current Government claims it is doing? Ensuring that consumers have access to cheaper goods?

Examples?

[Brian d marge]

I'm afraid this:



Is very much suggesting dumping enough now homes on the market to bankrupt the country.




First: there's no such thing as a functional market that doesn't allow buyers and sellers to agree prices without someone else taking an unearned cut.

Secondly a free market in no way disallows charity. Which is what someone else paying for homes for those that can't afford them actually is. So the event of homeless has nothing to do with a free market.

Thirdly, if you want the only marginally homeless people to buy their own homes then you might look at making them more affordable. This is the opposite of what's been happening for several decades now, with protected materials suppliers, (just dying for a dose of free market here), bleeding heart fuckwits demanding increasingly unaffordable standards compliance costs and protected developers and monopoly regional councils punching the ticket way, way beyond the real cost of supply. Make 90sq meter houses on sections priced at maybe only twice the cost to supply and I promise you house prices would halve overnight.

The terminable, irrevocably homeless you'll never tempt into working hard enough to own much of anything, they're a lost cause.



Examples?

U make my twaddle look positively poetic
So in a free market cashed up Chinese and poms oozing with zero interest monies and baby boomers with a few houses and liquidity egged on by the banks
Is all good then

One hope you don't have children or a stake in the future

Oh btw we went down the big house route a year back and as usual you were wrong

I'm amazed at how deep you actually have your head in the sand , you must be able to SEE china from there..

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Oh btw we went down the big house route a year back and as usual you were wrong

I'm amazed at how deep you actually have your head in the sand , you must be able to SEE china from there..

sent for a divine source

No, you actually demonstrated that in hrs worked per square meter of house purchased houses were cheaper then than they were a generation before that.

Your ability to convert that into a version completely at odds with the facts because they don't fit with your desperately fucked up opinions is reason enough to not bother discussion grown up shit with you, it just slides right off.

[bogan]

No, you actually demonstrated that in hrs worked per square meter of house purchased houses were cheaper then than they were a generation before that.

Your ability to convert that into a version completely at odds with the facts because they don't fit with your desperately fucked up opinions is reason enough to not bother discussion grown up shit with you, it just slides right off.

I remember that one, it was the old, "we're better off than we used to be, but we're not as well of as those rich guys" thing again; which to stupid worlders means we are all worse off than we have ever been and the sky is falling at an impossible rate, total collapse must surely happen 2 years ago :laugh:

[Brian d marge]

No, you actually demonstrated that in hrs worked per square meter of house purchased houses were cheaper then than they were a generation before that.

Your ability to convert that into a version completely at odds with the facts because they don't fit with your desperately fucked up opinions is reason enough to not bother discussion grown up shit with you, it just slides right off.

I know what I said and wrote
As for sliding right off
.it obviously doesn't .. discussion is a noun , try discussing

I know and you know that every time you have been asked to put up
.you fail THATS the real reason

Shall I list them?

Anyway back on subject ... so it's the building costs and compliance costs etc that are the prob and not the cashed up FOBs

Nothing to do with banks and Tv nz brainwashing the stupids then ???




sent for a divine source

[bogan]

I know what I said and wrote

Yet you'll never expand upon the meanings, never go into detail, never have a robust discussion around these things; because you would be confronted with the truth, which is harder to let just slide off than just rambling on about other bullshit with your head in the sand.

Example A, we all know that housing has got cheaper for the same quality of houses, house prices have only gone up because people are buying better houses. People are buying better houses, cos why the fuck not? it's a choice, it's not a failure of the free market that we get to choose a quality of product that befits our financial ability.

[Ocean1]

Yet you'll never expand upon the meanings, never go into detail, never have a robust discussion around these things; because you would be confronted with the truth, which is harder to let just slide off than just rambling on about other bullshit with your head in the sand.

Example A, we all know that housing has got cheaper for the same quality of houses, house prices have only gone up because people are buying better houses. People are buying better houses, cos why the fuck not? it's a choice, it's not a failure of the free market that we get to choose a quality of product that befits our financial ability.

It's also not a failure of a free market that produces "affordable" new sections in an area with adequate existing services for $430,000. Plus.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/81166931/new-housing-snapped-up-as-demand-in-wellington-region-surges

Because that particular market isn't free.

And that's the housing crisis, right there.

[Voltaire]

Yet you'll never expand upon the meanings, never go into detail, never have a robust discussion around these things; because you would be confronted with the truth, which is harder to let just slide off than just rambling on about other bullshit with your head in the sand.

Example A, we all know that housing has got cheaper for the same quality of houses, house prices have only gone up because people are buying better houses. People are buying better houses, cos why the fuck not? it's a choice, it's not a failure of the free market that we get to choose a quality of product that befits our financial ability.

Depends on where you live, this one about 5 minutes walk from me went for $1.1 million last week.
Typically these went for about 200K 20 years ago when I was a A/C guy on a mere 40K or 5 years wages.
Take me a lot longer to buy one now and I'm long off the tools.
http://rwroyaloak.co.nz/auckland-city/onehunga/618051/
Sure its had a make over but...

[bogan]

Depends on where you live, this one about 5 minutes walk from me went for $1.1 million last week.
Typically these went for about 200K 20 years ago when I was a A/C guy on a mere 40K or 5 years wages.
Take me a lot longer to buy one now and I'm long off the tools.
http://rwroyaloak.co.nz/auckland-city/onehunga/618051/
Sure its had a make over but...

Which again comes back to choice, the free market choice to buy in whichever area best meets one's criteria. Which is not to say it's the only factor, in many cases it's a very minor one; but it's still free market choice.

There's also the point about land vs housing prices, with population booming, is it any wonder land prices are going up? and is there any blame that can realistically be placed on TPTB? I mean, you could pin not implementing eugenics or other population control methods on them, but...

[Brian d marge]

Fuck of bogan you dickhead

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Depends on where you live, this one about 5 minutes walk from me went for $1.1 million last week.
Typically these went for about 200K 20 years ago when I was a A/C guy on a mere 40K or 5 years wages.
Take me a lot longer to buy one now and I'm long off the tools.
http://rwroyaloak.co.nz/auckland-city/onehunga/618051/
Sure its had a make over but...

Well it's certainly not worth that to me. You can tell, 'cause I didn't buy it. :laugh:

But, if you were on $40k 20 years ago you were doing quite well. If you were doing that well now wouldn't you be on close to $100k? Still a fucking big wad of cash.

I'm not arguing that house prices are OK, they have increased more than inflation, but a lot of that has to do with size and quality. I can and do argue that even though new houses are bigger and better than they've ever been, modern materials and designs should have seen costs drop. And that's in spite of fucking ridiculous property costs and fucking ridiculous safety compliance costs.

[Brian d marge]

Well it's certainly not worth that to me. You can tell, 'cause I didn't buy it. [emoji23]

But, if you were on $40k 20 years ago you were doing quite well. If you were doing that well now wouldn't you be on close to $100k?

I'm not arguing that house prices are OK, they have increased somewhat more than inflation, but a lot of that has to do with size and quality. I can and do argue that even though new houses are bigger and better than they've ever been, modern materials and designs should have seen costs drop. And that's in spite of fucking ridiculous property costs and fucking ridiculous safety compliance costs.
Bullshit and you know it ..ball your Court

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Bullshit and you know it ..ball your Court

sent for a divine source

Don't you have some little circles to run around in?

[Brian d marge]

No .better here.... calling out your bullshit
One doesn't have to wonder what's next , it the same record
Come on just for shits and giggles ..put some numbers to your claims

sent for a divine source

[bogan]

Fuck of bogan you dickhead

sent for a divine source


No .better here.... calling out your bullshit
One doesn't have to wonder what's next , it the same record
Come on just for shits and giggles ..put some numbers to your claims

sent for a divine source

Interesting, when I call out your bullshit I'm told to fuck off

When Ocean calls out your bullshit, you tell him your're calling him out on his bullshit, without specifying any point in which he is bullshitting (as I did when calling you out) nor even making a rational point yourself (again, as I did when calling you out). 2/10 propaganda effort, must try harder; or just be honest and discuss the point at hand. Either way, lots of room for improvement.

[Brian d marge]

Interesting, when I call out your bullshit I'm told to fuck off

When Ocean calls out your bullshit, you tell him your're calling him out on his bullshit, without specifying any point in which he is bullshitting (as I did when calling you out) nor even making a rational point yourself (again, as I did when calling you out). 2/10 propaganda effort, must try harder; or just be honest and discuss the point at hand. Either way, lots of room for improvement.
Don't come all innocent in the public eye
You got told to fk off twice and for the good reason which you know
I'm quite confident in what I've said and backed up
And when challenged do my best to provide evidence
I'm NOT going to spell everything out to you
IF you have done the research ..legwork which I believe I have ....you don't wouldn't need it spelled out sometimes in big letters and in crayon
As for ocean
We put the month to rest about big houses
We are still waiting for an explanation on entropy ...
And currency creation
Oh and the doozie about the unemployed causing NZ decline ..that was a belter...
And all I've ever said if I say anything that you disagree with .put up or shut up ( not some link that you haven't read ,so that when I come along its friggen obvious ya haven't read it... ocean)

So until then ... follow the advice which I have given you twice now .


sent for a divine source

[bogan]

Don't come all innocent in the public eye
You got told to fk off twice and for the good reason which you know
I'm quite confident in what I've said and backed up
And when challenged do my best to provide evidence
I'm NOT going to spell everything out to you
IF you have done the research ..legwork which I believe I have ....you don't wouldn't need it spelled out sometimes in big letters and in crayon
As for ocean
We put the month to rest about big houses
We are still waiting for an explanation on entropy ...
And currency creation
Oh and the doozie about the unemployed causing NZ decline ..that was a belter...
And all I've ever said if I say anything that you disagree with .put up or shut up ( not some link that you haven't read ,so that when I come along its friggen obvious ya haven't read it... ocean)

So until then ... follow the advice which I have given you twice now .


sent for a divine source

There it is, the old "if you do enough research you'll agree with me" cop out. It is utterly wrong, and completely transparent. We've done the research, we wish to discuss it with you, because your conclusions are inconsistent with the research, and with the facts. You refuse to discuss it for the same reasons, we know you're full of shit, I've just proven it, again.

And as for the don't come all innocent in the public eye, perhaps you should reflect on the merits of tit-for-tat red repping vs repping based solely on the merits (or distinct lack thereof) of a post; because only the latter is what the system should be used for...

[Brian d marge]

What part of fuck off do you not understand.

sent for a divine source

[bogan]

What part of fuck off do you not understand.

sent for a divine source

The bit where I have a choice. The bit where I believe it is those who refuse to make rational points are the ones who should fuck off. The bit where 'fucking off' would only leave you to continue perpetuating your ignorance and illogic.

[mashman]

The bit where I have a choice. The bit where I believe it is those who refuse to make rational points are the ones who should fuck off. The bit where 'fucking off' would only leave you to continue perpetuating your ignorance and illogic.

Nope. It's all your lack of understanding. His points are rational and logical under further investigation. That you are incapable of grasping the point Stephen makes tickles me somewhat... and your insistence that he has the lack of understanding is rather delicious too. But by all means, continue to blame others for your lack of understanding... it is your preferred modus operandi for coping.

[mashman]

Turkish military launches coup (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/32069750/turkey-army-says-has-taken-power-over-country-tv/#page1)

[bogan]

Nope. It's all your lack of understanding. His points are rational and logical under further investigation. That you are incapable of grasping the point Stephen makes tickles me somewhat... and your insistence that he has the lack of understanding is rather delicious too. But by all means, continue to blame others for your lack of understanding... it is your preferred modus operandi for coping.

Ah, the blind adherent chimes in. You lack the ability to differentiate between conclusion you want to believe (present) and rational point (missing) . Evidenced by your inability to make one yourself, and in this instance, further evidence by your inability to summarise his points (I've skipped a few posts here, feel free to bluster along while you catch up; or rationalise his points and prove me wrong), the ones you claim to understand.

[mashman]

Ah, the blind adherent chimes in. You lack the ability to differentiate between conclusion you want to believe (present) and rational point (missing) . Evidenced by your inability to make one yourself, and in this instance, further evidence by your inability to summarise his points (I've skipped a few posts here, feel free to bluster along while you catch up; or rationalise his points and prove me wrong), the ones you claim to understand.

Again with blaming your lack of understanding on someone else bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I can summarise Stephens posts, but you have demonstrated, repeatedly to the max, that you are incapable of understanding that which requires you to shift position and as such I'll not be bothering on this occasion. Thank you though, it's beautiful to see your ignorance in action whilst you vehemently deny that anything that anyone posts is valid because YOU can't understand it :killingme

[bogan]

I can summarise Stephens posts, but

Now there's a surprise. Do, or do not; that is what sums it up.

[mashman]

Now there's a surprise. Do, or do not; that is what sums it up.

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. No, that isn't what sums it up at all. Thanks again :laugh:

[bogan]

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. No, that isn't what sums it up at all. Thanks again :laugh:

Actually, it is a perfect summary; since it is an objective one. Your subjective waffel about how right you are is up to fuck all. It's why the stupid worlders and the conspiracy theorists fail time and time again; they don't understand how a rational mind works, so fail to effectively engage with them; leaving you shitters as the whinging minority you deserve to be.

[Scuba_Steve]

Actually, it is a perfect summary; since it is an objective one. Your subjective waffel about how right you are is up to fuck all. It's why the stupid worlders and the conspiracy theorists fail time and time again; they don't understand how a rational mind works, so fail to effectively engage with them; leaving you shitters as the whinging minority you deserve to be.

I need you to define "fail"; Stupid worlders currently run the world, and yes they're failing it as a whole but as an individual selfish goal most would call it success... So again gonna need 'fail' qualified here

[bogan]

I need you to define "fail"; Stupid worlders currently run the world, and yes they're failing it as a whole but as an individual selfish goal most would call it success... So again gonna need 'fail' qualified here

How about I define stupid worlders instead, because they don't control the world, they're right at the other end of the spectrum whinging about those who do. A stupid worlder is one who deliberately misinterprets reality to see it in a negative light, often characterised by preaching how they know it could be run better yet being completely unable to justify such ideas. So when I say the stupid worlders are failing, what it means is terrible ideas like the money free party are failing to get traction. They remain in minority, the flavor of the month might change, but it's a minority nonetheless. In fact their stupidity often brings down genuinely decent and logical ideas simply by association.

[Scuba_Steve]

How about I define stupid worlders instead, because they don't control the world, they're right at the other end of the spectrum whinging about those who do. A stupid worlder is one who deliberately misinterprets reality to see it in a negative light, often characterised by preaching how they know it could be run better yet being completely unable to justify such ideas. So when I say the stupid worlders are failing, what it means is terrible ideas like the money free party are failing to get traction. They remain in minority, the flavor of the month might change, but it's a minority nonetheless. In fact their stupidity often brings down genuinely decent and logical ideas simply by association.

well I guess we definitely have different definitions of 'stupid worlders' cause these would be an example of what I'd call 'stupid worlder'

http://media.salon.com/2015/07/trump_bush-620x412.jpg

[bogan]

well I guess we definitely have different definitions of 'stupid worlders' cause these would be an example of what I'd call 'stupid worlder'

Why? they're stupid obviously, but what part of the worlder term applies? Common usage of the 'word' worlder is to come from or reside in a world, ie, 3rd worlder. Both of those people come from and reside in the US, which is reasonably well educated.

I apply the term to morons who deliberately see the world as a negative place, a stupid world; since that is their mindset, it can be said that is where they reside and come from. The uninformed drivel, and unwillingness to enter rational discussion further validates that they are coming from, and residing in stupidity.

[Voltaire]

Do Stupid Worlders vote for stupid people?

Both of the ones in the picture have Daddy to thank.

[Ocean1]

Do Stupid Worlders vote for stupid people?

There's another choice?

[bogan]

Do Stupid Worlders vote

Not often, that just gives power to 'the man'.

[husaberg]

Do Stupid Worlders vote for stupid people?

Both of the ones in the picture have Daddy to thank.

Donald Trump

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/65155727.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkvG3g7hEJE

[mashman]

Actually, it is a perfect summary; since it is an objective one. Your subjective waffel about how right you are is up to fuck all. It's why the stupid worlders and the conspiracy theorists fail time and time again; they don't understand how a rational mind works, so fail to effectively engage with them; leaving you shitters as the whinging minority you deserve to be.

:killingme... you claim objectivity yet are unable to understand what someone else has written but claim that what they say makes no objective sense :killingme... You get an A+ for that one.

[Voltaire]

Donald Trump

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/65155727.jpg

<a href="https://imgflip.com/i/17hg9s"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/17hg9s.jpg" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

[mashman]

Do Stupid Worlders vote for stupid people?

Dunno. Do you?

[Voltaire]

Dunno. Do you?

Yes as they are the only ones on the voting form....maybe go BREXIT next time and vote Green.

[Akzle]

..

a ...merkin??

[mashman]

Yes as they are the only ones on the voting form....maybe go BREXIT next time and vote Green.

lol... you're a rebel arencha :bleh:

[bogan]

:killingme... you claim objectivity yet are unable to understand what someone else has written but claim that what they say makes no objective sense :killingme... You get an A+ for that one.

Of course, objectivity is the reason I don't buy into your blither. Objectivity, or your lack of it is why you fail to explain your concepts (the idea that I should understand a concept you refuse to explain is quite absurd).

Failure two understand takes two forms, either a failure in explanation, or in comprehension. Only by engaging in discussion can those options be whittled down to one. Thus, we can objectively conclude one who refuses to engage in discussion is not looking to promote understanding.

[Voltaire]

lol... you're a rebel arencha :bleh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF7V2dSvxpo

Featuring the Phil Spector ( now in jail:Police:) Wall of Sound.:drinknsin

[mashman]

Of course, objectivity is the reason I don't buy into your blither. Objectivity, or your lack of it is why you fail to explain your concepts (the idea that I should understand a concept you refuse to explain is quite absurd).

Failure two understand takes two forms, either a failure in explanation, or in comprehension. Only by engaging in discussion can those options be whittled down to one. Thus, we can objectively conclude one who refuses to engage in discussion is not looking to promote understanding.

No, that's confirmation bias. I've explained the concept to you in many different ways over the years. You didn't understand any of them. Plenty of other people understand what I have to say. And to top it off... You have NO objectivity were you openly admit that you don't understand what I have said to you. Pretty fuckin moronic really, but hey, when the cap fits.

[husaberg]

No, that's confirmation bias. I've explained the concept to you in many different ways over the years. You didn't understand any of them. Plenty of other people understand what I have to say. And to top it off... You have NO objectivity were you openly admit that you don't understand what I have said to you. Pretty fuckin moronic really, but hey, when the cap fits.

I don't agree with your post at all, everytime you post all I see is.
https://untappd.akamaized.net/photo/2015_02_11/af26fe3563c8d8efa6cc67423aefa72e_320x320.jpg

[Scuba_Steve]

Why? they're stupid obviously, but what part of the worlder term applies? Common usage of the 'word' worlder is to come from or reside in a world, ie, 3rd worlder. Both of those people come from and reside in the US, which is reasonably well educated.

I apply the term to morons who deliberately see the world as a negative place, a stupid world; since that is their mindset, it can be said that is where they reside and come from. The uninformed drivel, and unwillingness to enter rational discussion further validates that they are coming from, and residing in stupidity.

America "reasonably well educated" :killingme
That last paragraph isn't very selective as I could quite easily put yourself & ocean1 into that cat (especially the latter) but you'll prob sit here & tell me "we ain't stupid worlders"... Either way don't matter I already know you can't change he opinion of someone on teh interwebs cause humans are fucked up like that; you just can't have a rational discussion on teh interwebs & to believe differently would be irrational

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58381076.jpg

[bogan]

No, that's confirmation bias. I've explained the concept to you in many different ways over the years. You didn't understand any of them. Plenty of other people understand what I have to say. And to top it off... You have NO objectivity were you openly admit that you don't understand what I have said to you. Pretty fuckin moronic really, but hey, when the cap fits.

Since you seemd to have missed the obvious, what you are describing is subjective recollections. For my subjective recall, you made some bullshit explanation that didn't hold up to even cursory investigation, then hid behind ambiguities and more illogic. In fact, I also recall phrasing questions to you in different ways just to manipulate you into giving answer directly contradictory to others you had given. But as I say, all that is subjective recall, anything objective, must be shown. And you're claiming many things, but showing nothing...


America "reasonably well educated" :killingme
That last paragraph isn't very selective as I could quite easily put yourself & ocean1 into that cat (especially the latter) but you'll prob sit here & tell me "we ain't stupid worlders"... Either way don't matter I already know you can't change he opinion of someone on teh interwebs cause humans are fucked up like that; you just can't have a rational discussion on teh interwebs & to believe differently would be irrational

Only by any recognised standard...

We do not view the world as a negative place, nor spout uninformed drivel about how the system could be improved. So no, we do not fit into that category at all.

You can have rational discourse online, I've had plenty, this cesspit is actually the minority there; so perhaps if you can't have rational discussions online, look to the common factor...

[mashman]

Since you seemd to have missed the obvious, what you are describing is subjective recollections. For my subjective recall, you made some bullshit explanation that didn't hold up to even cursory investigation, then hid behind ambiguities and more illogic. In fact, I also recall phrasing questions to you in different ways just to manipulate you into giving answer directly contradictory to others you had given. But as I say, all that is subjective recall, anything objective, must be shown. And you're claiming many things, but showing nothing...

I never claimed I was being objective :yawn:

[bogan]

I never claimed I was being objective :yawn:

Nobody else has claimed you were either :killingme

In fact...


Actually, it is a perfect summary; since it is an objective one. Your subjective waffel about how right you are is up to fuck all. It's why the stupid worlders and the conspiracy theorists fail time and time again; they don't understand how a rational mind works, so fail to effectively engage with them; leaving you shitters as the whinging minority you deserve to be.

...I called you out on it's lack a while ago.

[mashman]

Nobody else has claimed you were either :killingme

In fact...

...I called you out on it's lack a while ago.

Thanks for making my point :laugh:

[oldrider]

Students should be allowed to pay off their debts by selling a kidney, an academic said. (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/Students-could-pay-off-student-loans-by-donating-kidneys.htm) (how long before this becomes a compulsory means of paying off your debts :shifty:)

Earth 'could have had two moons' (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/earth-could-had-two-moons-171728476.html) (what great minds we have... perhaps there were more than 2 :shit:... In fact I reckon there were 4, because 2 just isn't enough to fit my model.)

Swede arrested for building nuclear reactor in kitchen (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/swede-arrested-for-building-kitchen-nuclear-reactor.html) (they took away his hobby and threw him in jail, poor sod.)

FTSE Loses £50bn As World Markets Tumble (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/italy-bound-default-says-think-tank-001423375.html) (priceless... the world and it's bankers confused and concerned over the unpredictability of the market and the potential for a double-dip recession... fuckin idiots)

Stupid world? - This thread looks appropriate for posting this information for perusal.

All you need to know (or not) about ownership of the main Australian and New Zealand Banks: http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpapers/wakeupkiwi_newzealandandworldbankingpaper.pdf :corn:

[husaberg]

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[oldrider]

Edit: Oops looks like I already posted this - silly me!

Anyway it's an interesting incite about our banks and banking in NZ! - http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpapers/wakeupkiwi_newzealandandworldbankingpaper.pdf :corn:

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BooHi2YcIXI&bpctr=1468726621

[oldrider]

Edit: Oops looks like I already posted this - silly me!

Anyway it's an interesting incite about our banks and banking in NZ! - http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpa...nkingpaper.pdf

Seeing as husaburg tries to assume the mantel of KB posting policeman and accuse me of being a NAZI etc I looked up where the material on banks originated!

It came from here: http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/ take a look and decide for yourself if it is a site that you do or do not want to look at - rather than have him decide for you!

I have no association or attachment to the site whatsoever! - I just found it informative and interesting and posted it so that others could make the same decision for themselves!

[mashman]

Wonder if anyone has read through this yet http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpapers/wakeupkiwi_newzealandandworldbankingpaper.pdf (http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpapers/wakeupkiwi_newzealandandworldbankingpaper.pdf)

[Ocean1]

Wonder if anyone has read through this yet http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpapers/wakeupkiwi_newzealandandworldbankingpaper.pdf (http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpapers/wakeupkiwi_newzealandandworldbankingpaper.pdf)

Well you obviously read fuck all, John's posted/not posted that several times in the last couple of days.

At which point I read as far as: "Revealed – The Capitalist Network that Runs the World", had a wee yawn and moved on to more realistic endeavors.

It did remind me to ask if anyone has read through this yet, though:

[avgas]

Or for the time you need ACC, free healthcare, free education, state housing, a maintained roading network, huge payouts for Iwi, a defence force to protect your country, a police force to protect your neighbourhood. But I'm no expert.
Last time I checked they had not to help me with any of them. Is there a requirement that they must work in those areas before being put in the beehive?

If so I plead my ignorance - and politicians are in fact the salt of the earth.

[avgas]

New owners getting homes at affordable prices isn't going to reduce homelessness. Since homeless people don't have enough cash to rent, how the fuck are they going to buy?

Selling at cost will just end up with some private investment company getting fucking cheap houses.

Oh, and it's homeless in Auckland; hardly Godzone.

Houses aren't consumable goods, rent arguably is though.
Actually the point here is homeless choose to be homeless. Note that I am not referring to the poor, but the homeless.

There is plenty of places where they can seek shelter - and they know it. But they don't want to be in that system.

Talking to them about this is a conversation of great value. Homelessness is an interesting paradox when you ignore the the physical objects and deal with the person.

[sidecar bob]

Last time I checked they had not to help me with any of them. Is there a requirement that they must work in those areas before being put in the beehive?

If so I plead my ignorance - and politicians are in fact the salt of the earth.

Yeah, because ACC & a maintained roading network just gets dragged out of someone's arse doesn't it, nothing to do with any decisions made by upper management.
I think you need to go & spend a bit of time in a country or two with a corrupt government, I have, but Voltaire would be better equipped to make some recommendations of places that you could educate yourself in.
Your view is as simplistic as assuming that the checkout operators at The Warehouse run the show.

[yokel]

The 'homeless' are just people checking out of society/matrix.

[avgas]

Yeah, because ACC & a maintained roading network just gets dragged out of someone's arse doesn't it, nothing to do with any decisions made by upper management.
I think you need to go & spend a bit of time in a country or two with a corrupt government, I have, but Voltaire would be better equipped to make some recommendations of places that you could educate yourself in.
Your view is as simplistic as assuming that the checkout operators at The Warehouse run the show.
There is a pretty thick line between corrupt and utopia. I was (one of the many) guys/girls who made sure a few things happened. There are others on here.

It might surprise you to find many decisions don't happen in offices. Let alone big auditoriums in the beehive.

NZ structure doesn't exist because of 120 suits in a building. It exists and is maintained because the average kiwi gives a fuck how they and others live. Kiwi's have a great work ethic, we don't eat where we shit. I have been places where the average population does.

It's very easy to blame the government for all lives problems. But people are always the problem. The government is just a bunch of guys in a room.

[sidecar bob]

There is a pretty thick line between corrupt and utopia. I was (one of the many) guys/girls who made sure a few things happened. There are others on here.

It might surprise you to find many decisions don't happen in offices. Let alone big auditoriums in the beehive.

NZ structure doesn't exist because of 120 suits in a building. It exists and is maintained because the average kiwi gives a fuck how they and others live. Kiwi's have a great work ethic, we don't eat where we shit. I have been places where the average population does.

It's very easy to blame the government for all lives problems. But people are always the problem. The government is just a bunch of guys in a room.

I think we strongly agree on all the points you make there, regardless, I would rather not live in a country that is essentially a rudderless ship.

[mashman]

Well you obviously read fuck all, John's posted/not posted that several times in the last couple of days.

At which point I read as far as: "Revealed – The Capitalist Network that Runs the World", had a wee yawn and moved on to more realistic endeavors.

It did remind me to ask if anyone has read through this yet, though:

Oh wow... I hadn't noticed.

Of course you did.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... hardly surprising given that the document you got bored of was listing facts.

[Voltaire]

Yeah, because ACC & a maintained roading network just gets dragged out of someone's arse doesn't it, nothing to do with any decisions made by upper management.
I think you need to go & spend a bit of time in a country or two with a corrupt government, I have, but Voltaire would be better equipped to make some recommendations of places that you could educate yourself in.
Your view is as simplistic as assuming that the checkout operators at The Warehouse run the show.

I'll put it this way, not in a hurry to immigrate to Vietnam, India, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, China but interesting to visit.
I visited the Soviet Union,and a bit of the Eastern Bloc once and that looked a bit grim.
Australia the UK and Ireland are not bad.

[bogan]

Anyway it's an interesting incite about our banks and banking in NZ!

That's an interestingly accurate choice of word there oldy! Perhaps if you focused more on reading insightful articles you wouldn't be so incited to bigotry and rage...


Actually the point here is homeless choose to be homeless. Note that I am not referring to the poor, but the homeless.

There is plenty of places where they can seek shelter - and they know it. But they don't want to be in that system.

Talking to them about this is a conversation of great value. Homelessness is an interesting paradox when you ignore the the physical objects and deal with the person.

A valid addition, but just further validates the point that cheap houses will do fuck all for homeless... Unless you build enough of them that homeless people physically can't find a place to sleep that isn't in a home.

[husaberg]

Edit: Oops looks like I already posted this - silly me!

Anyway it's an interesting incite about our banks and banking in NZ! - http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/downloadpa...nkingpaper.pdf

Seeing as husaburg tries to assume the mantel of KB posting policeman and accuse me of being a NAZI etc I looked up where the material on banks originated!

It came from here: http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/ take a look and decide for yourself if it is a site that you do or do not want to look at - rather than have him decide for you!

I have no association or attachment to the site whatsoever! - I just found it informative and interesting and posted it so that others could make the same decision for themselves!

I am not sure if you were a Nazi but I do know for a fact that 90% of your posts could have come direct from joseph Goebbels.
I also know that you have on a few times posted Mein Kamph and also encouraged people to read it.
Thus I am pretty sure people could make up their own minds to your motivation.
Ps did you read that website you posted chemtrails and shapeshifting lizard man..........:nya:

[Ocean1]

Oh wow... I hadn't noticed.

Of course you did.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... hardly surprising given that the document you got bored of was listing facts.

Surprises me not a jot.

And of course it attracted retarded fuckwits like flies to shit.

As did mine.

[Brian d marge]

There is a pretty thick line between corrupt and utopia. I was (one of the many) guys/girls who made sure a few things happened. There are others on here.

It might surprise you to find many decisions don't happen in offices. Let alone big auditoriums in the beehive.

NZ structure doesn't exist because of 120 suits in a building. It exists and is maintained because the average kiwi gives a fuck how they and others live. Kiwi's have a great work ethic, we don't eat where we shit. I have been places where the average population does.

It's very easy to blame the government for all lives problems. But people are always the problem. The government is just a bunch of guys in a room.
Me for one
Through me mom, who is an acc person
Let's just say some labour front benchers were ,are seated at our dinner table
IMHO
Most are good people trying to do the right thing. BUT in order to be IN the party your must follow the party line .. isn't that what the party whip is for? ..
And if those ideals are imported....


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[yokel]

The more government help you get, the more helpless you become. https://youtu.be/38ZlXhwob3I?t=3m16s

It's not the government's job to build your hose and wipe your bum.

[Brian d marge]

I am not sure if you were a Nazi but I do know for a fact that 90% of your posts could have come direct from joseph Goebbels.
I also know that you have on a few times posted Mein Kamph and also encouraged people to read it.
Thus I am pretty sure people could make up their own minds to your motivation.
Ps did you read that website you posted chemtrails and shapeshifting lizard man..........:nya:
Joe gave some good speeches. They have been translated and yes from what I have read I would have voted for Mr H

But

NOT the thugs that ran the joint ..especially one m.boorman ..and the ig farbin .etc who he worked ,with and for

Nor would I vote for the thugs that run the Rothschild fiefdom

Unfortunately those thugs are at full steam at the moment as, I think , the 4th Reich was it's money back ...with interest so expect to see a few more " bail ins" spain Portugal Italy .....

Imho of course

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[Brian d marge]

The more government help you get, the more helpless you become. https://youtu.be/38ZlXhwob3I?t=3m16s

It's not the government's job to build your hose and wipe your bum.
That's a job of ones slave ....



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[yokel]

That's a job of ones slave ....



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No, it's the man's job.
but now somehow it's the government's

And whats the point of building a house just to give half of it away?

Add to that all the bullshit you now have to go through just to build the fucker in the first place.

How many builders been screwed over by the leaky house syndrome?

Who the fuck would want to be a builder these days? I know of a few that want out.

[Brian d marge]

No, it's the man's job.
but now somehow it's the government's

And whats the point of building a house just to give half of it away?

Add to that all the bullshit you now have to go through just to build the fucker in the first place.

How many builders been screwed over by the leaky house syndrome?

Who the fuck would want to be a builder these days? I know of a few that want out.
The old nugget of regulations... great for the big fellas , Monsanto and buildmeahomeascheapasfk.com not so good for the little guy.. the reason the EU had a job ...and those regulations keep everyone happy
Banks get 2x the original price ...out of which the council did well , if there were any regulations to check .. lawyers got some money, estate agent he got some ...hell even the builder got some ..some money
Now when I was a lad , we would build a log house ,trap the area until the beaver ran out then move on to the next location, and build another log house .... can't remember it costing much .. free ..if I remembered ..oh how times have changed
Btw those old state homes , my grandfather lived in one , nice home wood etc ... but mold in one bedroom due to airflow ..it always was a damp ish house
I feel a song coming on......

https://youtu.be/zyeMFSzPgGc

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[avgas]

Me for one
Through me mom, who is an acc person
Let's just say some labour front benchers were ,are seated at our dinner table
IMHO
Most are good people trying to do the right thing. BUT in order to be IN the party your must follow the party line .. isn't that what the party whip is for? ..
And if those ideals are imported....


sent for a divine source
It worked for the Nazi's - Aren't elections fun? :devil2:

[avgas]

The more government help you get, the more helpless you become. https://youtu.be/38ZlXhwob3I?t=3m16s

It's not the government's job to build your hose and wipe your bum.
This is true - Seems the Alaskan's got their shit sorted. Now with less money from the Government.
http://anmc.org/about-us/news/
http://www.pbs.org/program/rx-quiet-revolution/

[Voltaire]

The more government help you get, the more helpless you become. https://youtu.be/38ZlXhwob3I?t=3m16s

It's not the government's job to build your hose and wipe your bum.



Thats why they let the internet exist so the voiceless little people who don't want to do fuck all have a place to call their own and bleat like the

sheep they are.

Govt must be loving Facebook, Instagram and now Pokemon go, give the millennials even more to be distracted with.:msn-wink:

Gotta go...the Corporation is calling...:devil2:

[Akzle]

How many builders been screwed over by the leaky house syndrome?

Who the fuck would want to be a builder these days? I know of a few that want out.

the leaky buildings thing was failings all the way through.

architects designed them, developers/buyers specified them, builders built them, and council signed off on them.

I outright refused, as have other builders, to build shit like that. anything that brings water INSIDE the house is just fucking dumb. eaves exist for a reason.
There are plenty of other dumb ideas were and are being built (chilli bin houses come to mind).

so while the builders may have worn the brunt of the leaky homes, they DID have the option not to build them: any with any sense stayed well clear as even looking at the plans would make most people shit.

[Brian d marge]

. eaves exist for a reason.


To make Adams Sunday morning tolerable ....

[Brian d marge]

Censored by Facebook.. however shall I cope....

Why ... was it the photos of the two trannys and a cheap bottle of whiskey

Or the firearms and the wearing of an Arab head dress....booooo

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160720/e96bbf90891b43c08218dce97c145673.jpg

Because of these words ...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160720/8c344003a622c2a889610d726c50f673.jpg

European Central Bank balance sheet and toxic

F. U zukkerburgher

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[mashman]

EU should suspend funds for Spain, Portugal: letter (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/32136856/eu-should-suspend-funds-for-spain-portugal-letter/#page1)... ahhhhh yes, punishment for not saving enough money.

[Brian d marge]

EU should suspend funds for Spain, Portugal: letter (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/32136856/eu-should-suspend-funds-for-spain-portugal-letter/#page1)... ahhhhh yes, punishment for not saving enough money.
They haven't got any money , have to pay that Nazi debt back and it's a big one
Let alone the derivatives....

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[mashman]

Male students protest no-shorts rule by wearing skirts to school (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/32155323/male-students-protest-no-shorts-rule-by-wearing-skirts-to-school/#page1)

[mashman]

They haven't got any money , have to pay that Nazi debt back and it's a big one
Let alone the derivatives....

sent for a divine source

There's always someone that needs to be paid back. Kinda funny in so many ways.

[Brian d marge]

The Auckland action plan

7000 pages long , but can be summarized so easily

Agenda 21 ( or 2030 whatever its current name is now )

HO HUM THE PLAN , IS GOING WELL i SEE !

[Voltaire]

The Auckland action plan

7000 pages long , but can be summarized so easily

Agenda 21 ( or 2030 whatever its current name is now )

HO HUM THE PLAN , IS GOING WELL i SEE !

I had a look at my area, two streets down and its goodbye old Villas and Bungalows and hello multi story and high density terraces.

Reading AA magazine and according to 'AA Members" if everyone else used public transport it will be ok.

The gap between wages and the house prices must surely start to impact soon.

This weeks plan for life is buy a cheap villa in the Naki,
http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/458781029.jpg
http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-1047257102.htm
Join OOOBy
http://ooooby.ning.com/

Sell them at the RSA
http://www.motuekarsa.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/bar.jpg
Spend hours in shed.

[Ocean1]

The gap between wages and the house prices must surely start to impact soon.

I was reading something yesterday that compared Orks prices in terms of years income for an average house, (the metric the rabid left love to hate) and the rest of the country.

The "target" is supposedly 4 years income, and Orks is 7 years income, but the surprise was that if you ignore Orks the rest of the country is just smack on that "affordable" 4 years income.

PS: not much wrong with the Hawera thing either.

[Ocean1]

Oh, and yet more SW bullshit: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/concern-tax-ruling-may-hurt-development/ar-BBuY2UH?li=AA4Zjm&ocid=spartandhp

[Voltaire]

I was reading something yesterday that compared Orks prices in terms of years income for an average house, (the metric the rabid left love to hate) and the rest of the country.

The "target" is supposedly 4 years income, and Orks is 7 years income, but the surprise was that if you ignore Orks the rest of the country is just smack on that "affordable" 4 years income.

PS: not much wrong with the Hawera thing either.

Thats combined income too.

I think its based on the 'average' wage of 50K, with a lot of jobs on the minimum wage or under $20 PH , $30 000- $40 000 per person, that

gives about 80K joint income for a lot of people ( no facts to back this up)

So yes you could buy a flat here for $700K

When I got my first house it was on one income and had to grovel at the bank, wife worked nights at Foodtown. Try doing that now.

[oldrider]

I think its based on the 'average' wage of 50K, Is that ave wage current and official? - Out of the loop these days have no idea!

[mashman]

Oh, and yet more SW bullshit: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/concern-tax-ruling-may-hurt-development/ar-BBuY2UH?li=AA4Zjm&ocid=spartandhp

Waaaaaah waaaaaaaah waaaaaaah

[Brian d marge]

Single income family , no problems buying a new three bedroom town house
In fact I could work part time and still afford it
NZ is being screwed.. I mean almost every night on TV there were programs about doing up ur house ..house this house that ...oh look at my garden ain't I wonderful
As well as being a nice place to live ( not for much longer if ya don't do something)
So overseas hot money is going to go where???
The only trouble with living here is the food tends to glow at night and I'm just inside the blast radius .. another 25 km west might see us ok..me thinks

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[Brian d marge]

Waaaaaah waaaaaaaah waaaaaaah
You do realise who will pay for that .....

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[mashman]

You do realise who will pay for that .....

sent for a divine source

Aye... it'll all be in the price.

[Akzle]

I mean almost every night on TV there were programs about doing up ur house ..house this house that ...oh look at my garden ain't I wonderful

i love them.

people get all keen, they're like "fuck yeah, weekend project... we'll just rip out the kitchen and laundry and move them to the other side of the house and chuck in a retaining wall and add a portico and turn the garage into sauna and plant a forest... and while we're at it' add another storey, if we start after work on friday after work we'll be right"


and then they phone me. and cry about how they need to eat and can't i fix their shit cheaper and little timmy needs his aids medication and grandma's in a home now, and i'm all like "bitch please"

[Voltaire]

Single income family , no problems buying a new three bedroom town house
In fact I could work part time and still afford it
NZ is being screwed.. I mean almost every night on TV there were programs about doing up ur house ..house this house that ...oh look at my garden ain't I wonderful
As well as being a nice place to live ( not for much longer if ya don't do something)
So overseas hot money is going to go where???
The only trouble with living here is the food tends to glow at night and I'm just inside the blast radius .. another 25 km west might see us ok..me thinks

sent for a divine source

Its only Auckland, immigrants don't seem to want to leave it.:blink:
Glow in the dark would make the Pokemons easier to find.
http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Pikaboo1.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Fk ..don't talk to me about Pokemon go
The great unwashed here are very nice people ,,, the same all over this world ...
But by cricket are they dumb..
Perfect example of Tv and education systems brainwashing the masses
Objectifying the surroundings so much they are oblivious to all most everything

Then u add Pokemon go

Still it gets them out of their room and at least outside


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[Ocean1]

Thats combined income too.

I think its based on the 'average' wage of 50K, with a lot of jobs on the minimum wage or under $20 PH , $30 000- $40 000 per person, that

gives about 80K joint income for a lot of people ( no facts to back this up)

So yes you could buy a flat here for $700K

When I got my first house it was on one income and had to grovel at the bank, wife worked nights at Foodtown. Try doing that now.

Duno what it was based on, I'll see if I can find the articule.

And aye, having at least 25% in hand and a bit of a history of saving with the bank in question only really stopped being expected maybe 20 years ago?

Is it a good thing we're heading back there? Dunno, probably mean a bunch fewer people ticking up new a commodore on the mortgage every second year until they're in the shit good and proper.

But we always blame the banks for that anyway.

[Ocean1]

Waaaaaah waaaaaaaah waaaaaaah

In a thread of wall to wall whinging it was probably one of the more on topic posts.

Let's face it, taking tax from money normally completely wasted on resource consent, and in this case wasted twice because resource consent wasn't achieved is fucking monumentally stupid.

[sidecar bob]

Duno what it was based on, I'll see if I can find the articule.

And aye, having at least 25% in hand and a bit of a history of saving with the bank in question only really stopped being expected maybe 20 years ago?

Is it a good thing we're heading back there? Dunno, probably mean a bunch fewer people ticking up new a commodore on the mortgage every second year until they're in the shit good and proper.

But we always blame the banks for that anyway.

For my first house, I had 25 percent, & we had two incomes, but they wouldn't include my wife's income, because she might get pregnant & not be able to work & there was no paid maternity leave then. So they turned me down due to not earning enough.
That was in the days of the award wage, that's prior to minimum wage, when each trade had its own personalised minimum wage. i was earning in excess of that & we got there in the end.

[Ocean1]

You do realise who will pay for that .....

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The end user will. Whether they want to or not.

Until a supplier offers the option for the end user to NOT pay for it. Namely, a supplier who doesn't waste money investing in new development, new technology, new jobs.

And everything will be sweet. :third:

[Ocean1]

For my first house, I had 25 percent, & we had two incomes, but they wouldn't include my wife's income, because she might get pregnant & not be able to work & there was no paid maternity leave then. So they turned me down due to not earning enough.
That was in the days of the award wage, that's prior to minimum wage, when each trade had its own personalised minimum wage. i was earning in excess of that & we got there in the end.

Yeah, same here, although I think they eventually admitted they'd count 25% of her income.

And we did OK with that first one. I guess another difference is that then we actually had the option of buying a shitter and spending every weekend for the next 3 or 4 years making it into something we either could live with or cash in for the deposit on something better.

I get the impression that most don't see that as an option now. Dunno if that's 'cause there's no shitters, they cost too much anyway or just that it's all too difficult. I must admit I couldn't build another house now. The compliance issues would see me killing someone before I had the frames up.

[Grumph]

Had 40%, two incomes, could only swing it with first and second mortgage...Bank OK'd the first mortgage, 2nd bank which we'd carefully established a history with turned us down for the 2nd mortgage....
Wife's elderly aunt had pretty well been a founder depositor with a building society...but had never borrowed. She stepped in and stood guarantor with the building society for the 2nd mortgage - which was at 20%....First mortgage was from memory 12%

Not good times....but we bought at the bottom of the then regular property price swings. By watching for the peaks and troughs we worked our way up - or at least I'd like to think so, LOL. Mortgage free in something which on current indications is worth close to a million.

[Ocean1]

Had 40%, two incomes, could only swing it with first and second mortgage...Bank OK'd the first mortgage, 2nd bank which we'd carefully established a history with turned us down for the 2nd mortgage....
Wife's elderly aunt had pretty well been a founder depositor with a building society...but had never borrowed. She stepped in and stood guarantor with the building society for the 2nd mortgage - which was at 20%....First mortgage was from memory 12%

Not good times....but we bought at the bottom of the then regular property price swings. By watching for the peaks and troughs we worked our way up - or at least I'd like to think so, LOL. Mortgage free in something which on current indications is worth close to a million.

Can't say I was all that clever taking advantage of those swings. But then, if you improve the place at all and buy in the same market you're selling in, (or at least the same time) you can't go too far wrong.

[Voltaire]

For my first house, I had 25 percent, & we had two incomes, but they wouldn't include my wife's income, because she might get pregnant & not be able to work & there was no paid maternity leave then. So they turned me down due to not earning enough.
That was in the days of the award wage, that's prior to minimum wage, when each trade had its own personalised minimum wage. i was earning in excess of that & we got there in the end.

Award Wages.... thats when everyone got paid the same whether you were good or bad...ah Socialism.
Only way you could get more than that as a Sparkie was get Advanced Trade or become a Leading Hand.
I was with the ASB from School with the pocket money in the envelope every week. Then got a Home Loan account as they would not lend you money without one.
Had enough of Wage Freeze and hearing how good it was in Aussie so went there for a couple of years. Came back from UK after 7 years away and they had sold " Your Bank" to the Aussies and laughed at my Home Loan Passbook.
Recently got a loan for another property and they did it all over the phone.:eek5:

[mashman]

In a thread of wall to wall whinging it was probably one of the more on topic posts.

Let's face it, taking tax from money...

Sorry, I tuned out in a fit of laughter when I tried to read past that last sentence. My bad. I'm sure I'll get round to reading the rest of it someday.

[husaberg]

For my first house, I had 25 percent, & we had two incomes, but they wouldn't include my wife's income, because she might get pregnant & not be able to work & there was no paid maternity leave then. So they turned me down due to not earning enough.
That was in the days of the award wage, that's prior to minimum wage, when each trade had its own personalised minimum wage. i was earning in excess of that & we got there in the end.

My first farm I brought was rather funny the first bank we went to said we had to have 39% deposit
Then they said they would happily lend us 10X the amount with a 10% deposit if we brought a house in town.

We ended up running it through as a very expensive house on some very cheap land with another bank.
We brought it direct from the bank in a mortgagee sale and the bank kept refusing my offers.
So when they returned the counter offer, I just accepted what they offered but changed it to GST inclusive.

My lawyer thought it was epically funny when they quickly accepted it..
As it was less money than they had previously turned down.
The lawyer even got me my stamp duty back.

[Ocean1]

Sorry, I tuned out in a fit of laughter when I tried to read past that last sentence. My bad. I'm sure I'll get round to reading the rest of it someday.

Don't bother, it was about how production comes about, not something you've ever demonstrated any aptitude for.

[mashman]

Don't bother, it was about how production comes about, not something you've ever demonstrated any aptitude for.

Is that production of real stuff or just production of stuff for the sake of creating money? Either way, yup, not a clue.

[mashman]

IMF admits disastrous love affair with the euro, apologises for the immolation of Greece (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf-admits-disastrous-love-affair-with-euro-apologises-for-the-i/)... only people eh.

[Brian d marge]

IMF admits disastrous love affair with the euro, apologises for the immolation of Greece (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf-admits-disastrous-love-affair-with-euro-apologises-for-the-i/)... only people eh.
Bollox they new last year what the plan was
And it's the telegraph....
Lagards lucky number 7 speech

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

It's colonialism, not our fault.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/faces-of-innocents/82586709/faces-of-innocents-high-rates-of-child-abuse-among-maori-can-be-traced-back-to-colonisation-academic-says

[oldrider]

It's colonialism, not our fault.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/faces-of-innocents/82586709/faces-of-innocents-high-rates-of-child-abuse-among-maori-can-be-traced-back-to-colonisation-academic-says

After reading that - decided to revisit the meaning of academic? :scratch:

[mashman]

It's colonialism, not our fault.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/faces-of-innocents/82586709/faces-of-innocents-high-rates-of-child-abuse-among-maori-can-be-traced-back-to-colonisation-academic-says

She's right... but I don't see her not blaming us. I guess it doesn't suit your narrative eh.

"Until we deal with colonisation, until we deal with neo-liberalism, until we deal with the impacts of individualisation, deal with the impacts of oppressive gender ideas, until we are willing to do the hard work around that, I'm sorry to say that it's not going to change."

[mashman]

Publicly-funded surgery granted days after Doug Pike sold his house to pay for surgery (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/82299832/Publicly-funded-surgery-granted-days-after-Doug-Pike-sold-his-house-to-pay-for-surgery)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0d/eb/83/0deb83f530d0ce5ef685a98c4c3ba3cb.jpg

[Ocean1]

After reading that - decided to revisit the meaning of academic? :scratch:

Usually someone with little to no experience in the real world.

[Ocean1]

She's right... but I don't see her not blaming us. I guess it doesn't suit your narrative eh.

"Until we deal with colonisation, until we deal with neo-liberalism, until we deal with the impacts of individualisation, deal with the impacts of oppressive gender ideas, until we are willing to do the hard work around that, I'm sorry to say that it's not going to change."

My "narrative" comes from the fact that I've never assaulted my kids. So I'm not any part of your "we".

And until "they" recognise that blaming "us" for killing their kids is simply a pathetic attempt to share the blame and admit that those that do kill their kids are the ones that need to change then she's right: nothing will change.


Bit like you, blaming everyone else for the fact that the world's not the shape you'd like it to be.

[mashman]

My "narrative" comes from the fact that I've never assaulted my kids. So I'm not any part of your "we".

And until "they" recognise that blaming "us" for killing their kids is simply a pathetic attempt to share the blame and admit that those that do kill their kids are the ones that need to change then she's right: nothing will change.


Bit like you, blaming everyone else for the fact that the world's not the shape you'd like it to be.

:killingme... of course.

[Woodman]

So does the stupid bitch want someone to go back in a time machine or something?

[awa355]

It IS a Stupid World.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82644580/whats-troubling-athletes-arriving-in-rio-no-pokemon-go


Athletes might not get Pokemon, but they'll have access to 450,000 condoms, or three times as many as the London Olympics. Of those, 100,000 are female condoms. Officials deny that it's a response to the Zika virus, which has been linked to miscarriages and birth defects in babies born to women who have been infected.

Is Pokemon really more fun than bonking?.

[old slider]

For my first house, I had 25 percent, & we had two incomes, but they wouldn't include my wife's income, because she might get pregnant & not be able to work & there was no paid maternity leave then. So they turned me down due to not earning enough.
That was in the days of the award wage, that's prior to minimum wage, when each trade had its own personalised minimum wage. i was earning in excess of that & we got there in the end.

Working the normal 40 hour week and 5hrs on Saturday grossed me $35.

Sold my new TS 250, used that as deposit on my first section, then ran to work for next 5 years , spent all spare time clearing the lupins and flattening the sand hill with the help of some mates and an old 1930 Oliver tractor.

Got a Housing corp loan and had a 1000sq foot franchise type house built and completed for $16k, wife stayed home and raised 3 kids whilst I worked 12 hour days, 72hr weeks on the long week and 65 hrs on the short week.

We were mortgage free in 20 yrs and had an increasing asset as we worked to add value over the years with extensions, sheds etc.

Was it tough, hell yeah especially when interest rates hit 15% and it took most of my income to hold onto our home, supplementary food was sourced from the river and sea and much of our meat was hunted. My kids grew up on Rabbits as a main part of our diet.

I see real hardship overseas, and without sounding mean, I honestly don't believe we that have the same level of genuine hardship in this country, apart from those poor individuals who mainly through intellectual or brain injury are incapable of making lifes decisions.

[old slider]

It IS a Stupid World.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82644580/whats-troubling-athletes-arriving-in-rio-no-pokemon-go



Is Pokemon really more fun than bonking?.


lol, I know the secret to being married for over 40 years has been communication, but it still pisses me off when she looks over the top of her book and asks if I have finished yet.

[Brian d marge]

Working the normal 40 hour week and 5hrs on Saturday grossed me $35.

Sold my new TS 250, used that as deposit on my first section, then ran to work for next 5 years , spent all spare time clearing the lupins and flattening the sand hill with the help of some mates and an old 1930 Oliver tractor.

Got a Housing corp loan and had a 1000sq foot franchise type house built and completed for $16k, wife stayed home and raised 3 kids whilst I worked 12 hour days, 72hr weeks on the long week and 65 hrs on the short week.

We were mortgage free in 20 yrs and had an increasing asset as we worked to add value over the years with extensions, sheds etc.

Was it tough, hell yeah especially when interest rates hit 15% and it took most of my income to hold onto our home, supplementary food was sourced from the river and sea and much of our meat was hunted. My kids grew up on Rabbits as a main part of our diet.

I see real hardship overseas, and without sounding mean, I honestly don't believe we that have the same level of genuine hardship in this country, apart from those poor individuals who mainly through intellectual or brain injury are incapable of making lifes decisions.
The game changed when the glass steagal act was finally removed ..

Those were the old days

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/19512-194cgxl.png

Interesting Stats.

[husaberg]

Link to video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4ShQlxiFg

[Voltaire]

Link to video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4ShQlxiFg

another link to video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVrYV0odeFY

[husaberg]

another link to video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVrYV0odeFY

Link to a video that describes what is going on in greater detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOifa1WrOnQ

[Voltaire]

Link to a video that describes what is going on in greater detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOifa1WrOnQ


Conspiracy: is it really like watching grass grow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmBpXxWZYs

[husaberg]

Conspiracy: is it really like watching grass grow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmBpXxWZYs

No its the fabric that holds the fantasy world together....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9v-Qc_YaPk

[Brian d marge]

http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/19512-194cgxl.png

Interesting Stats.
Can't see she who must be obeyed on that list ..she must be somewhere near the top due to the amount off wealth transfer applied at the end off each month .. near 100 percent taxation rate

sent for a divine source

[Virago]

Conspiracy: is it really like watching grass grow?

Only on the grassy knoll.

[Brian d marge]

The word was first used by the CIA back in the day to stop people asking questions

sent for a divine source

[Virago]

It hasn't worked very well then.

Sent for a McDonald's Cheeseburger.

[Brian d marge]

It hasn't worked very well then.

Sent for a McDonald's Cheeseburger.
Which have nano particles in them that can alter RNA ..DNA evil cousin and can be switched on using radio frequency from say a smartphone

I heard this on the internet, so it's true., As bloke in pub also confirmed the story

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

The word was first used by the CIA back in the day to stop people asking questions

sent for a divine source
The CIA was founded on September 18, 1947
https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-grade/operation-history/history-of-the-cia.html
So that Sounds more like a theory than a fact.......
Especially considering it was used here for instance 77 years prior to the CIA creation

The theory of Dr. Sankey as to the manner in which these injuries to the chest occurred in asylums deserved our careful attention. It was at least more plausible that [sic] the conspiracy theory of Mr. Charles Reade
The Journal of Mental Science 1870


http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/nope_it_was_always_already_wrong
It makes you wonder, which side it is that spreads misinformation......

[Brian d marge]

The CIA was founded on September 18, 1947
https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-grade/operation-history/history-of-the-cia.html
So that Sounds more like a theory than a fact.......
Especially considering it was used here for instance 77 years prior to the CIA creation


http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/nope_it_was_always_already_wrong
It makes you wonder, which side it is that spreads misinformation......

should I have said " made popular by " ??

As for conspiracy ,By 2010, most people (above 50%)will be living in urban rather than rural environments. Poor housing, weak infrastructure and social deprivation will combine with low municipal capacity to create a range of new instability risks in areas of rapid urbanization, especially in those urban settlements that contain a high proportion of unplanned and shanty development.

and

it is likely that unregulated urbanization will result in future adversaries who have highly-developed urban survival and combat skills. They may consequently choose to pursue their objectives and conduct operations in sprawling towns and cities which will already have experienced endemic lawlessness and high levels of violence.


from ,
Strategic Trends

is an independent view of the future produced by the Development,
Concepts and Doctrine Centre (DCDC), a Directorate General within the UK’s Ministry of Defence (MOD).

[husaberg]

should I have said " made popular by " ??


But you didn't did you. As it was not what you meant to say. Neither has anyone else when they regurgitated it on KB.
https://www.google.co.nz/#q=CIA+Created+the+Label+%22Conspiracy+Theorists%2 2


You likely just believed the conspiracy story as it was told to you, funny enough by the conspiracy theorists.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6xt8Myj81Q

It was also a famous line in a movie of the same name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_eP5xl6lU
this one as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHOa64f8QW8

But like most conspiracy theories it has limited basis in facts and represents a distortion of facts and events to suit a agenda.

[Brian d marge]

But you didn't did you. As it was not what you meant to say. Neither has anyone else when they regurgitated it on KB.
https://www.google.co.nz/#q=CIA+Created+the+Label+%22Conspiracy+Theorists%2 2


You likely just believed the conspiracy story as it was told to you, funny enough by the conspiracy theorists.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6xt8Myj81Q

It was also a famous line in a movie of the same name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_eP5xl6lU
this one as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHOa64f8QW8

But like most conspiracy theories it has limited basis in facts and represents a distortion of facts and events to suit a agenda.
Because it isn't important
One picks things up from supposed reliable source.
You offered an alternative opinion one that seems creditable
And that is as far as that goes.

On more weightier matters the fact checking goes a lot deeper.

As deep as I have time for.

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

should I have said " made popular by " ??

As for conspiracy ,By 2010, most people (above 50%)will be living in urban rather than rural environments. Poor housing, weak infrastructure and social deprivation will combine with low municipal capacity to create a range of new instability risks in areas of rapid urbanization, especially in those urban settlements that contain a high proportion of unplanned and shanty development.

and

it is likely that unregulated urbanization will result in future adversaries who have highly-developed urban survival and combat skills. They may consequently choose to pursue their objectives and conduct operations in sprawling towns and cities which will already have experienced endemic lawlessness and high levels of violence.


from ,
Strategic Trends

is an independent view of the future produced by the Development,
Concepts and Doctrine Centre (DCDC), a Directorate General within the UK’s Ministry of Defence (MOD).

Urban Development is just a nice way of saying Battery Farming,makes getting you tax from you cost less.

My plan was to make it compulsory for all immigrants to have to live in ChCh, thus freeing up the motorways ( roads with more than 2 lanes)

for us Aucklanders.

Perhaps we could build a wall across the Bombays.

If shanty towns and poor urban planning in Brian World can lead to war...why is India not at war the whole time?

Bring in a Capital Gains tax as making $1600 a day just from a house sitting there doing nothing is madness.

Speculators and their cronies the Banks are ruining this place.

[Ocean1]

Urban Development is just a nice way of saying Battery Farming,makes getting you tax from you cost less.


Where has there ever been high density "estates" that generated anything like the tax to pay for the subsidies involved in maintaining them, let alone building them?


My plan was to make it compulsory for all immigrants to have to live in ChCh, thus freeing up the motorways ( roads with more than 2 lanes)

for us Aucklanders.

Perhaps we could build a wall across the Bombays.

So, change one barrier to living in Orks for another one?

Who decides who's let through this one?


If shanty towns and poor urban planning in Brian World can lead to war...why is India not at war the whole time?

Brian's World is a very special suburb of Stupid World. In Stupid World they invent fantastic theories to describe observed Real World phenomena. In Brian's world they use completely farcical theories to describe purely imagined phenomena.



Bring in a Capital Gains tax as making $1600 a day just from a house sitting there doing nothing is madness.

Speculators and their cronies the Banks are ruining this place.

Speculators are simply taking advantage of the local authority having restricted the market for decades.

[Voltaire]

So all immigrants off to ChCh it is then.

Seems odd that back in the day 'they' said if we want to be a first world city we need less sprawl, so they did the cross lease and lots of horrible houses sprung up in back yards.
Then there was a huge wave ( including me) who thought lets go to Aussie, many never came back.
So they upped immigration, now its nearly gridlocked and they are proposing more dense housing ( coups)
I was on crutches for a month recently following an operation and I looked at going to the office which is about 20 mins in the car, involved lots of walking, 2-3 buses and about $18 a day.
Only first world things I can see we have is heavy traffic and high house prices, only way you can get more wages is to change the type of job you do.

[husaberg]

Because it isn't important
One picks things up from supposed reliable source.
You offered an alternative opinion one that seems creditable
And that is as far as that goes.

On more weightier matters the fact checking goes a lot deeper.

As deep as I have time for.

sent for a divine source

But it is important, Especially considering it is the cornerstone of a lot if not most conspiracy stories.
If this is totally false, which it clearly appears to be.Yet extremely widespread believed by so many.
What do you think that suggest about the conspiracy theorists that continue to spread it as being proof?
Also what does it suggest about the conspiracy theorist's in general, that they willing to pass off incorrect information as being facts, without either first checking it or caring, if it is true.

[Woodman]

So all immigrants off to ChCh it is then.

Seems odd that back in the day 'they' said if we want to be a first world city we need less sprawl, so they did the cross lease and lots of horrible houses sprung up in back yards.
Then there was a huge wave ( including me) who thought lets go to Aussie, many never came back.
So they upped immigration, now its nearly gridlocked and they are proposing more dense housing ( coups)
I was on crutches for a month recently following an operation and I looked at going to the office which is about 20 mins in the car, involved lots of walking, 2-3 buses and about $18 a day.
Only first world things I can see we have is heavy traffic and high house prices, only way you can get more wages is to change the type of job you do.


How the frick does, say a young family on the average income survive/ get ahead in Auckland?

[mashman]

Stupid worlders defending the status quo :killingme Cheers fullas.

[Voltaire]

How the frick does, say a young family on the average income survive/ get ahead in Auckland?

I can only imagine its a combination of the BOMAD ( Bank of Mum and Dad) and Low interest rates.

I'm not a mall goer but my Wife and Son are always saying how hard it is to get parking.

Saturday traffic is worse than during the week and all day, so the' money go round' is flat out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11684069

[Voltaire]

Stupid worlders defending the status quo :killingme Cheers fullas.

Oh enlighten us oh great one how you live so differently to everyone of the Stupid Worders :nya::nya:

<a href="https://imgflip.com/i/187nt8"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/187nt8.jpg" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

Living off Grid, growing own veges, running your 20 year old car of home made bio fuel..... doubt it.

[mashman]

Oh enlighten us oh great one how you live so differently to everyone of the Stupid Worders :nya::nya:

Living off Grid, growing own veges, running your 20 year old car of home made bio fuel..... doubt it.

I don't. Tis one of the reasons that I love you stupid worlders so much. Your stupidity is almost perfectly predictable :laugh:

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... priceless.

[Voltaire]

I don't. Tis one of the reasons that I love you stupid worlders so much. Your stupidity is almost perfectly predictable :laugh:

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... priceless.

Suppose this gives you something to do :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

...and its back to shed to so Stupid World things like work on my bikes.

[mashman]

Suppose this gives you something to do :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

...and its back to shed to so Stupid World things like work on my bikes.

It keeps me amused.

[mashman]

The IMF confesses it immolated Greece on behalf of the Eurogroup (https://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2016/07/29/the-imf-confesses-it-immolated-greece-on-behalf-of-the-eurogroup/)... how the fuck did this conspiracy theorist become finance minister of Greece.

[Ocean1]

So all immigrants off to ChCh it is then.

Seems odd that back in the day 'they' said if we want to be a first world city we need less sprawl, so they did the cross lease and lots of horrible houses sprung up in back yards.
Then there was a huge wave ( including me) who thought lets go to Aussie, many never came back.
So they upped immigration, now its nearly gridlocked and they are proposing more dense housing ( coups)
I was on crutches for a month recently following an operation and I looked at going to the office which is about 20 mins in the car, involved lots of walking, 2-3 buses and about $18 a day.
Only first world things I can see we have is heavy traffic and high house prices, only way you can get more wages is to change the type of job you do.

What would it take to make Orks a better place to live? Seems to me a high speed public transport network would damned near do it. Get the commuters off the roads and expand the range new subdivisions can be built.

I'll take a completely unsubstantiated stab in the dark and suggest the council has wasted more cash in the last 20 years than would be needed to build it.

[Brian d marge]

But it is important, Especially considering it is the cornerstone of a lot if not most conspiracy stories.
If this is totally false, which it clearly appears to be.Yet extremely widespread believed by so many.
What do you think that suggest about the conspiracy theorists that continue to spread it as being proof?
Also what does it suggest about the conspiracy theorist's in general, that they willing to pass off incorrect information as being facts, without either first checking it or caring, if it is true.
I thought u would go down that path
No it's not important
In its context, it was a quip which u offered a credible alternative
Which is just as questionable
Linking it to other ideas , and saying that the other ideas are questionable is fine. You should do that
WITH ALL news. Especially from Western media
As for people just believing. I would suggest that someone who proposed a different idea is more questioning that the people who repeat the western media without question
At the end of the day it's a personal responsibility.

sent for a divine source

[Woodman]

Suppose this gives you something to do :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

...and its back to shed to so Stupid World things like work on my bikes.



I think its called chardonay socialism

[husaberg]

I thought u would go down that path
No it's not important
In its context, it was a quip which u offered a credible alternative
Which is just as questionable
Linking it to other ideas , and saying that the other ideas are questionable is fine. You should do that
WITH ALL news. Especially from Western media
As for people just believing. I would suggest that someone who proposed a different idea is more questioning that the people who repeat the western media without question
At the end of the day it's a personal responsibility.

sent for a divine source

Its not important in your view maybe . But why? You offered the view I then suggested it was false.
you either accept it is false or you need to provide a rebuttable with evidence that my assertion is false.
I doubt my view is that questionable, its easily fact checked by simply going back to historical documents.
As the source is clearly given and the date is undeniably preceding the CIA formation, by 70 years I would suggest its the conspiracy story is utterly false.
Unless you can provide information to the contrary.

Personally responsible, I would suggest conspiracy theorists are not at all interested in providing evidence or in even examining any evidence that is contrary to their views.
They are quite adamant that their view is correct, in spite of overwhelming evidence and logic, as evidenced by the multiple responses I have seen on KB.

[Brian d marge]

So all immigrants off to ChCh it is then.

Seems odd that back in the day 'they' said if we want to be a first world city we need less sprawl, so they did the cross lease and lots of horrible houses sprung up in back yards.
Then there was a huge wave ( including me) who thought lets go to Aussie, many never came back.
So they upped immigration, now its nearly gridlocked and they are proposing more dense housing ( coups)
I was on crutches for a month recently following an operation and I looked at going to the office which is about 20 mins in the car, involved lots of walking, 2-3 buses and about $18 a day.
Only first world things I can see we have is heavy traffic and high house prices, only way you can get more wages is to change the type of job you do.

Agenda 21 or agenda 2030 what ever they call it now

[Katman]

Its not important in your view maybe . But why? You offered the view I then suggested it was false.
you either accept it is false or you need to provide a rebuttable with evidence that my assertion is false.
I doubt my view is that questionable, its easily fact checked by simply going back to historical documents.
As the source is clearly given and the date is undeniably preceding the CIA formation, by 70 years I would suggest its the conspiracy story is utterly false.
Unless you can provide information to the contrary.

Of course the words 'conspiracy' and 'theory' were around long before the advent of the CIA.

It doesn't change the fact that the CIA coined the phrase in a concerted effort to stop people questioning an official narrative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

Do you not remember posting this link in the 'Optimistic sellers' thread?

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/05/05/conspiracy-theory-as-a-personality-disorder/

[bogan]

Of course the words 'conspiracy' and 'theory' were around long before the advent of the CIA.

It doesn't change the fact that the CIA coined the phrase in a concerted effort to stop people questioning an official narrative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

Do you not remember posting this link in the 'Optimistic sellers' thread?

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/05/05/conspiracy-theory-as-a-personality-disorder/

The term 'conspiracy theory' was used far before the CIA used it to describe conspiracy theories. So no, they didn't coin it. Nor is there any conspiracy theory about them attacking and discrediting conspiracy theorists because of any truth they might out; it's just that the spreading of disinformation by conspiracy theorists should be stopped or at least reduced, just as the spread of any disinformation should be.

[Katman]

The term 'conspiracy theory' was used far before the CIA used it to describe conspiracy theories. So no, they didn't coin it. Nor is there any conspiracy theory about them attacking and discrediting conspiracy theorists because of any truth they might out; it's just that the spreading of disinformation by conspiracy theorists should be stopped or at least reduced, just as the spread of any disinformation should be.

So you think governments should be allowed to get away with anything they like?

[bogan]

So you think governments should be allowed to get away with anything they like?

What part of 'the spread of disinformation should be stopped or at least reduced' are you struggling with? Any reasonable person can see the harm conspiracy theorists can do, flat earthers, holocaust deniers, the perpetuation of bigotry, etc...

[Katman]

What part of 'the spread of disinformation should be stopped or at least reduced' are you struggling with? Any reasonable person can see the harm conspiracy theorists can do, flat earthers, holocaust deniers, the perpetuation of bigotry, etc...

So what about when a government is actually involved in a conspiracy?

Can we talk about it then?

[bogan]

So what about when a government is actually involved in a conspiracy?

Can we talk about it then?

Of course, obviously there is a very simple way to tell the difference; just as it becomes obvious a conspiracy theorist has no concept of what this might be...

[Katman]

Of course, obviously there is a very simple way to tell the difference; just as it becomes obvious a conspiracy theorist has no concept of what this might be...

Please, do tell us more about this "very simple way to tell the difference".

[husaberg]

Of course the words 'conspiracy' and 'theory' were around long before the advent of the CIA.

It doesn't change the fact that the CIA coined the phrase in a concerted effort to stop people questioning an official narrative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge



No they did not the phrase was used 70 years prior to describe the exact same kind of paranoid delusional behaviour you express so often.
The cia did and could not have created the label.

I am sincerely sorry if that wounds your ego, especially considering you have raised this falsehood so many times previously. I fully accept this will causes you to lash out, as your wounded ago is so in charge of you line of reasoning.
but seriously grow up or seek help (http://www.thankyoufather.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/5ccfe_bda5f1a0-4846-0133-8eeb-0e17bac22e39.gif).

If you had intelligently read the memo, you would realise its expressing a very common scenario of you to instruct people on how to address people who are prone to spreading disinformation.

but if you were intelligent you would realise I posted your link you provided yesterday as evidence to the falsehoods conspiracy theorist spread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/140713-Stupid-World?p=1130990028#post1130990028



The theory of Dr. Sankey as to the manner in which these injuries to the chest occurred in asylums deserved our careful attention. It was at least more plausible that [sic] the conspiracy theory of Mr. Charles Reade
The Journal of Mental Science 1870
http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/nope_it_was_always_already_wrong

[bogan]

Please, do tell us more about this "very simple way to tell the difference".

Logic, rational thought, and robust discourse.

You guys tend to fail all three with the youtube gish gallops.

[Katman]

Logic, rational thought, and robust discourse.

Let us know when you've got some.

[bogan]

Let us know when you've got some.

I've been applying it. The bit you cut out of your quote for example.

That's another specific way the conspiracy theorists and stuipid worlders fail, ignoring things which does not fit your moronic 'theories' or leaps of 'logic'.

[Woodman]

Let us know when you've got some.


Yes, he would have to point ithem out to you because you would fail to recognise any of them.

[Voltaire]

Conspiracy Theories have been around since at least 1870 according to Professor G. Oogle.

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=VsRMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA141&dq=%22conspiracy+theory%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1g7IT8eEBKSi2gW2_ejmDQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22conspiracy%20theory%22&f=false

Interesting its used with a mental asylum...:innocent:

[Voltaire]

What would it take to make Orks a better place to live? Seems to me a high speed public transport network would damned near do it. Get the commuters off the roads and expand the range new subdivisions can be built.

I'll take a completely unsubstantiated stab in the dark and suggest the council has wasted more cash in the last 20 years than would be needed to build it.

Yes, better public transport would probably do it. Spending OPM is so easy when your on a Council/Govt.

Be glad to see the back of that smug len Brown, can we have Tim back.:niceone:

Not sure I see the merit of the billions they are spending on an inner city loop, why not just make bus's free and cover it in rates.

They now have double decker ones now, as people near the city were getting missed due to the bus's being full.

I lived in Sydney and London for some years and even doing service work in London I could use the tube/trains/buses for the inner city.

I imagine carrying a tool box and cylinders of gas is probably frowned on now.

[mashman]

Logic, rational thought, and robust discourse.

You guys tend to fail all three with the youtube gish gallops.

That's just fucking hilarious :killingme... cheers

[Ocean1]

Yes, better public transport would probably do it. Spending OPM is so easy when your on a Council/Govt.

Be glad to see the back of that smug len Brown, can we have Tim back.:niceone:

Not sure I see the merit of the billions they are spending on an inner city loop, why not just make bus's free and cover it in rates.

They now have double decker ones now, as people near the city were getting missed due to the bus's being full.

I lived in Sydney and London for some years and even doing service work in London I could use the tube/trains/buses for the inner city.

I imagine carrying a tool box and cylinders of gas is probably frowned on now.

Interesting how Tim's politics have changed over the years.

Not sure if buses qualify as high speed do they? I had a subway in mind, several loops, just like a proper city.

I remember the signs in the underground about unattended bags and other bad stuff, and I'm pretty sure gas bottles would've been verboten as well, was admittedly after Big Ben exploded...

[Ocean1]

Logic, rational thought, and robust discourse.

You guys tend to fail all three


That's just fucking hilarious :killingme... cheers

...Case in point, in fact...

[mashman]

...Case in point, in fact...

Oh myopic one... you morons can't shift position and as such have zero credibility when it comes to claiming that which is logical, reasonable and what is valid discourse given that you only know 1 side of any story. Tiz why I class you as the leader of the stupid worlders.

[Ocean1]

Oh myopic one... you morons can't shift position and as such have zero credibility when it comes to claiming that which is logical, reasonable and what is valid discourse given that you only know 1 side of any story.

That's simply not true, unlike you I shift position when the facts dictate, not when I don't like 'em.


Tiz why I class you as the leader of the stupid worlders.

And yet it's your thread. Filled with your stupid whining.

Bit of a giveaway innit?

[mashman]

That's simply not true, unlike you I shift position when the facts dictate, not when I don't like 'em.



And yet it's your thread. Filled with your stupid whining.

Bit of a giveaway innit?

...Case in point, in fact...

[Ocean1]

...Case in point, in fact...

Yeah that'd be real clever.

Except you don't have a case.

And you don't have a point.

And you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one.

[mashman]

Yeah that'd be real clever.

Except you don't have a case.

And you don't have a point.

And you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one.

Like I said, you only know 1 side. That you missed that underlines the case and point.

[Brian d marge]

Yeah that'd be real clever.

Except you don't have a case.

And you don't have a point.

And you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one.
Doesn't stop u though

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

Like I said, you only know 1 side. That you missed that underlines the case and point.


:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:

[Ocean1]

Like I said, you only know 1 side.

Which makes me twice as knowledgeable as you.

[Ocean1]

Wibble wibble wibble wibble wibble...

Ah yes, the other pointless case...

[Brian d marge]

Ah yes, the other pointless case...
Yes , both posts are referring to the same person



sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Which makes me twice as knowledgeable as you.

lol... how much you know :killingme. Always with the quantities eh.

[Voltaire]

Yeah that'd be real clever.

Except you don't have a case.

And you don't have a point.

And you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one.

He does however like having a thread named after himself though :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[mashman]

He does however like having a thread named after himself though :laugh::laugh::laugh:

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:

[Voltaire]

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:

You should thank Brian and Ocean for keeping your little thread going

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

[mashman]

You should thank Brian and Ocean for keeping your little thread going

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

I should? In which case :devil2:

[mashman]

India Rescues 10,000 Starving Workers In Saudi (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/india-rescues-10-000-starving-workers-saudi-153600310.html)

[awa355]

I didn't realize America owned the moon. :innocent::innocent:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/82816518/fly-me-to-the-moon-us-government-give-moon-express-permission-to-venture-into-space

[sidecar bob]

I didn't realize America owned the moon. :innocent::innocent:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/82816518/fly-me-to-the-moon-us-government-give-moon-express-permission-to-venture-into-space

Given that several men went there 47 years ago, im surprised that this lander will be un manned.

[bogan]

Given that several men went there 47 years ago

Don't forget which thread you're in mate :bleh:

https://thesquarerootofapplepie.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/can-of-worms.jpg

[Akzle]

Given that several men went there 47 years ago,

no. they didn't.


im surprised that this lander will be un manned.

i'm surprised husabitch has gone, like, a week without repping me... also surprised maha's penis hasn't worn off, the amount he rubs it...

[Madness]

I didn't realize America owned the moon.

Fucks sakes, no-one tell Donald Trump that :facepalm:

[Katman]

also surprised maha's penis hasn't worn off, the amount he rubs it...

Husaberk's saliva must work wonders.

[Brian d marge]

Given that several men went there 47 years ago, im surprised that this lander will be un manned.
You need to have people living there ,before you can claim it
Doesn't matter if they stole a loaf of bread , and sod the locals ..
It's an American studio in the first place ..
Now Saturn ..that's a different kettle of fish ...dem higher beings them are


sent for a divine source

[Scuba_Steve]

Fucks sakes, no-one tell Donald Trump that :facepalm:

For little money he can buy his own piece of the moon

http://www.lunarembassy.com/product/prime-view-lunar-properties/

[mashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXh01L6mLqs

[Banditbandit]

Fucks sakes, no-one tell Donald Trump that :facepalm:

Love to see him try to build a wall ..